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| sebsebseb | most schools in the developed world I should say | Sep 01 00:00 |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well acstauly a state in India did just that | Sep 01 00:00 |
| sebsebseb | open stuff only | Sep 01 00:00 |
| _Goblin | but this is the problem..... | Sep 01 00:00 |
| _Goblin | not many want to learn computing. | Sep 01 00:00 |
| sebsebseb | and I wasn't so sure if it was a good idea, to be doing open stuff only, because of how things are realistically | Sep 01 00:00 |
| _Goblin | I think those of us who hold it dear as a hobby/job forget that sometimes. | Sep 01 00:00 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I have a good link for you | Sep 01 00:00 |
| sebsebseb | lets see if I can find it | Sep 01 00:01 |
| _Goblin | I hope it doesnt require flash | Sep 01 00:01 |
| _Goblin | Adobe have pulled their 64bit plugin with issues... | Sep 01 00:01 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I would give the example of this: | Sep 01 00:01 |
| _Goblin | How many people here want a lesson on the Romans? | Sep 01 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I think teaching computer security, I mean how to do it properly at a basic level, is more important, than learning how to use Microsoft Office | Sep 01 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | people can learn office suites later on, if they need to anyway | Sep 01 00:02 |
| _Goblin | again...you can't get everyone interested... | Sep 01 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | and are much more likely to, than computer security | Sep 01 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | Educational Establishments should teach computer security properly, at a basic level, but no | Sep 01 00:02 |
| _Goblin | just like I can't give a speach here about the Roman Empire....not many would be interested. | Sep 01 00:02 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: you also forget that school ciricullums cannot be changed at a drop of a hat.....things change so quickly in tech, things may become irrelevant | Sep 01 00:03 |
| _Goblin | I learnt my early computing with pen and paper. | Sep 01 00:04 |
| _Goblin | psuedo code and logic circuits | Sep 01 00:04 |
| _Goblin | never touched a computer for many years as our school only had a couple. | Sep 01 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: children will nearly learn anything | Sep 01 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then | Sep 01 00:05 |
| _Goblin | but the grounding I learn then , is as relevant today as it was in the 80's | Sep 01 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | that stops as they get older, for example loads of girls will want to learn computer when younger | Sep 01 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then are bought up thinking, that computers is more of a male thing | Sep 01 00:05 |
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| _Goblin | Oh by the way...just throwing something random in here.... | Sep 01 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | and this aritcle mentions, that briefly, but thats not what it is about mainly, and yeah check this out | Sep 01 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/07/future-of-ithere-they-are.html | Sep 01 00:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Blog of Helios: The Future of IT...Here They Are. .::. Size~: 94.14 KB | Sep 01 00:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] On to Manila for the Ayala ICT conference. Virt/Cloud should be the order of the day! #fb | Sep 01 00:06 | |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: society dictates, stuff, not many guys are going to learn Health and Beautey for example either, since thats seen as a girl thing | Sep 01 00:06 |
| _Goblin | Its my wifes birthday | Sep 01 00:06 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: you mean it just became? | Sep 01 00:06 |
| _Goblin | yep | Sep 01 00:06 |
| sebsebseb | ok Happy Birthday to her | Sep 01 00:07 |
| _Goblin | Im sure she will thank you....she's currently asleep..... | Sep 01 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: read that article, make sure you do | Sep 01 00:07 |
| _Goblin | I'll do it now. | Sep 01 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: also its a son you have isn't it? or was it a duaghter? well either way you got a kid, read that article | Sep 01 00:07 |
| _Goblin | A son.... | Sep 01 00:07 |
| _Goblin | Daniel | Sep 01 00:07 |
| _Goblin | 2yrs 1 month | Sep 01 00:08 |
| _Goblin | ah... | Sep 01 00:08 |
| _Goblin | that article | Sep 01 00:08 |
| _Goblin | yep I'd already seen it... | Sep 01 00:08 |
| _Goblin | but again.....not everyone would be interested...in that case they were, but I wonder how many of those kids will grow up and either persue a career in computing or indeed a hobby. | Sep 01 00:09 |
| _Goblin | its like wanting to be an astronaught or fireman when you are a child....you mind changes several times before adulthood | Sep 01 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | computers are very important though | Sep 01 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | they control the modern world | Sep 01 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | technology is important controls the modern world | Sep 01 00:10 |
| _Goblin | yep and there will always be people interested enough to persue the IT careers. | Sep 01 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: except for our kind of area | Sep 01 00:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] too much paper work today :( ugh. | Sep 01 00:11 | |
| sebsebseb | Desktop Linux :) | Sep 01 00:11 |
| _Goblin | but the IT pro's are a small minority compared to the masses which simply use computing as a tool | Sep 01 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | it sadly doesn't just exist | Sep 01 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | and IT pro doesn't mean much at all really | Sep 01 00:11 |
| _Goblin | and I think that hits on a reason why Ubuntu has become so popular.... | Sep 01 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | for example can be one that only really knows Windows, and stil be a moron as a result :D | Sep 01 00:11 |
| _Goblin | it doesn't bore the end user with endless talk about how linux is better...it merely presents its product and tries to shield the average user from the ego and buzz words of the IT pro's and hobbyists. | Sep 01 00:12 |
| _Goblin | thats why Ubuntu is a hit with the newbie. | Sep 01 00:12 |
| sebsebseb | partly | Sep 01 00:13 |
| _Goblin | its what kept selling Windows for years (that and PR by MS) | Sep 01 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | I think its mainly since all the hype | Sep 01 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | and jono has a big role in the Ubuntu hype really, since he is after all the community manager | Sep 01 00:13 |
| _Goblin | Nah....Canonical can't hype something... | Sep 01 00:13 |
| _Goblin | in order for Canonical to hype to the masses you would be looking at massive spending (like MS) | Sep 01 00:13 |
| _Goblin | to my knowledge Ubuntu hasn't marketed directly at any of the mainstream audience. | Sep 01 00:14 |
| _Goblin | Ubuntu has relied on recommendation and word of mouth. | Sep 01 00:14 |
| _Goblin | and maybe shows the power of honest held belief advocacy | Sep 01 00:15 |
| _Goblin | now Im not saying Ubuntu is perfect, but as Ive said before if I am going to deploy Linux to a user who has no interest in how things work, I'll give my trust to Ubuntu, it hasnt let me down. | Sep 01 00:15 |
| _Goblin | personally I don't have it on my main rig....but then again, I like to "fiddle" and in my experience of Ubuntu deployments there is very little fiddling needed.... | Sep 01 00:16 |
| _Goblin | I wouldn't mind though asking Jono sometime, how Canonical really feels about all the distro's derived from Ubuntu... | Sep 01 00:17 |
| _Goblin | I love this comment about patent actions: | Sep 01 00:20 |
| _Goblin | "…an unfortunate trend of people trying to compete in the courtroom instead of the marketplace." | Sep 01 00:20 |
| _Goblin | how very true | Sep 01 00:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: RT @anjakovacs: At present, 90% of e-waste in India is dealt with by informal sector: http://bit.ly/9arDLl | Sep 01 00:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: RT @sankarshan: *sigh* same names and possibly same topics - http://c11.space-kerala.org/fsinedu/?q=node/7. Where are the new ... | Sep 01 00:21 | |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: it has let me down | Sep 01 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3900296_1/Ubuntu-1010-Alpha-Slouching-Toward-Ubuntu-GNOME.htm | Sep 01 00:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu 10.10 Alpha: Slouching Toward Ubuntu GNOME — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 69.74 KB | Sep 01 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: as a result sucky down steame changes to Gnome | Sep 01 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | and such | Sep 01 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | however I guess next year, won't matter that much anymore, since Gnome 3 | Sep 01 00:22 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I can only speak for myself.... | Sep 01 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: also I kept it on the family computer | Sep 01 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | and it let me down | Sep 01 00:23 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Ive said before, that I could never warm to KDE | Sep 01 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | it refused to let anyone log in | Sep 01 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | that was an upgrade form 9.10 | Sep 01 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | to 10.04 | Sep 01 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | the 9.10 install had started off as a clean install, and then programs added to it | Sep 01 00:23 |
| _Goblin | but then I had horrible problems with Mandriva, yet many people say its one of the best distro's | Sep 01 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: then of course the Plymouth issues, making boot up and shut down, horrible | Sep 01 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: it is one of the best distros, altough it does have a language issue | Sep 01 00:24 |
| _Goblin | but every single platform has "horror stories" | Sep 01 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | localization issue | Sep 01 00:24 |
| _Goblin | I refuse to even write about Mandriva. | Sep 01 00:24 |
| _Goblin | I had horrible issue.... | Sep 01 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: there are certain people in the Ubuntu community, who aren't that nice at all, when it comes to other distors | Sep 01 00:25 |
| _Goblin | it was easier (no joke) to get a Gentoo rig up and running that the mandriva experience I had. | Sep 01 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: another reason I don't like Ubuntu much | Sep 01 00:25 |
| _Goblin | you should try hanging out in the Gentoo forums | Sep 01 00:25 |
| _Goblin | and you can't judge a platform by its forum. | Sep 01 00:25 |
| _Goblin | I think that goes for any piece of software. | Sep 01 00:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Russian political system volatile http://ur1.ca/1eje9 | Sep 01 00:26 | |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and there is all this ignorance, that Ubuntu is the best, when no a lot of the time it really isn't | Sep 01 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: hence why for example, wireless that didn't just work in Ubuntu, probably does in PC Linux OS, for example | Sep 01 00:26 |
| _Goblin | but if they are happy with it, it is the best (for them) | Sep 01 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: how can it be, when they haven't tried others? | Sep 01 00:26 |
| _Goblin | people are not happy with Microsoft products, but they don't know about choice. | Sep 01 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | most Ubuntu users don't know about Desktop Linux choice either | Sep 01 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | hence thinking Ubuntu is so great, without trying others properly | Sep 01 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | or at all | Sep 01 00:27 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: as I say, if Ubuntu performs for them there is no problems | Sep 01 00:27 |
| *sebsebseb used to be ignorant as well, thinking Ubuntu was basically the best distro at the tiem | Sep 01 00:27 | |
| sebsebseb | even though | Sep 01 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | I mean for average computer users, and even though, I had treid distros such as Fedora Core 2 and 4 in the past | Sep 01 00:28 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: and I'd suggest that every ubuntu user is/was a windows user....they do know about choices... | Sep 01 00:28 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: the mere act of going to Linux is a choice. | Sep 01 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: no quite a lot of Ubuntu users, don't know know what a distro is | Sep 01 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | and no its not choice always | Sep 01 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | since someone else may have put the OS on for someone, and they never really choosed it them selves | Sep 01 00:28 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: people are forced to use Ubuntu...? With OEM? | Sep 01 00:28 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: I think you would be talking about a very small number of cases... | Sep 01 00:29 |
| _Goblin | and I'd suggest anyone who was ignorant of what a "distro" was, would not be looking for change anyway (as long as their software worked for them) | Sep 01 00:29 |
| *sebsebseb waits for the 10.10 joke release | Sep 01 00:29 | |
| sebsebseb | well it is really | Sep 01 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | since the netbook edition will be much better than the desktop, it seems | Sep 01 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | altough I haven't tried Unity just yet | Sep 01 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah most users will be using the desktop version, not the netbook | Sep 01 00:30 |
| _Goblin | but I still can't get what peoples problem with Ubuntu is. If it works for an end user and that end user is happy, whats the problem? | Sep 01 00:30 |
| _Goblin | if it doesn't work, they can either try to fix it or move on. | Sep 01 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: peoples problem with Ubuntu here's one example | Sep 01 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3900296_1/Ubuntu-1010-Alpha-Slouching-Toward-Ubuntu-GNOME.htm | Sep 01 00:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu 10.10 Alpha: Slouching Toward Ubuntu GNOME — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 69.74 KB | Sep 01 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | however I also have another lets see if I can find that | Sep 01 00:30 |
| _Goblin | then they can move on. | Sep 01 00:30 |
| _Goblin | there's no lockin. | Sep 01 00:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 31/8/2010: !KDE 4.5.1, !Linux 2.6.36 RC3, #ACTA Threat Looming http://ur1.ca/1ejfj !techrights #roundup | Sep 01 00:31 | |
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| _Goblin | Canonical presents its product...theres no agressive marketing (like there is with MS) | Sep 01 00:31 |
| _Goblin | so whats the issue? | Sep 01 00:31 |
| _Goblin | Why are the same people complaining about Ubuntu, not moaning about Elive? | Sep 01 00:32 |
| gnufreex | What's Elive? | Sep 01 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: since Ubuntu has annoyed a lot of expereinced users | Sep 01 00:33 |
| _Goblin | Elive - the distro that doesn't make it clear that to use it properly you have to part with cash... | Sep 01 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and people in the wider Linux community | Sep 01 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: can use other distros for Enlightment | Sep 01 00:33 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: but why are those experienced users caring? | Sep 01 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: these are good questions for, I know who, but no reply from him yet | Sep 01 00:33 |
| _Goblin | Im sorry but I'd say if an "experienced" user is fixating on why Ubuntu is no good, then they are not so experienced... | Sep 01 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | people don't want a sucky distro to go main streame | Sep 01 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | and stuff like that | Sep 01 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Sep 01 00:34 |
| _Goblin | Linux is about choice.....choice from MS, choice in your Linux flavor. | Sep 01 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | people want a good distro to be number one on distrowatch | Sep 01 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | sadly Ubuntu is no longer a properly good distro | Sep 01 00:34 |
| _Goblin | but seb....what is so sucky about Ubuntu. | Sep 01 00:34 |
| _Goblin | ? | Sep 01 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | people don't want a distro, to mess around to much, with Gnome, like Ubuntu have been doing | Sep 01 00:35 |
| _Goblin | ok, give one negative about Ubuntu (please avoid the Mono issue for the time being) | Sep 01 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | peopel don't want Ubuntu to fork Gnome or sort of do, and thats what they are doing | Sep 01 00:35 |
| _Goblin | but thats fine.... | Sep 01 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: the way they change Gnome, be that the theme, but also the down streame changes to Gnome that they have done | Sep 01 00:36 |
| _Goblin | theres always a choice... | Sep 01 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | the way they try and force money making services on to people | Sep 01 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu One for example | Sep 01 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | in the default install | Sep 01 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | the music store for that matter as well | Sep 01 00:36 |
| _Goblin | heres my theory on whats happening with people who oppose Ubuntu (in some cases) | Sep 01 00:36 |
| _Goblin | 1. They get into Linux with Ubuntu and are well pleased with themselves....feel l33t.... | Sep 01 00:37 |
| _Goblin | 2. They then see other new users starting with Ubuntu and feel themselves better... | Sep 01 00:37 |
| _Goblin | 3. Ego comes into play and elitism (in their own restricted way) | Sep 01 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: The fan boys and how they are, thats something else that is wrong when it comes to Ubuntu, I mean take http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk for example, and most of the people who comment loads, and what they say | Sep 01 00:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 85.33 KB | Sep 01 00:38 |
| _Goblin | I sometimes think there are a group of people who don't want new users coming to Linux because they like the idea of being "l33t" | Sep 01 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I want new users coming to Linux, and loads of them, but to a distro, that doesn't have a load of features that piss me off | Sep 01 00:38 |
| _Goblin | we should be pleased people are moving to Linux regardless of which distro they choose. | Sep 01 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well Ubuntu was that distro before 10.04, and the annoying me, started with 9.04 and 9.10, but not that bad | Sep 01 00:39 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: but those features might not annoy them | Sep 01 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: those features also aren't upstream Gnome | Sep 01 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and so seen as a bad thing, by most people in the wider Linux community, that know about this stuff | Sep 01 00:39 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Im sure we would agree on many annoyances with any distro but we cannot assume that everyone will share our views. | Sep 01 00:39 |
| _Goblin | I don't like KDE.... | Sep 01 00:39 |
| _Goblin | I think it looks cheap | Sep 01 00:40 |
| _Goblin | but I don't dismiss other peoples love of it. | Sep 01 00:40 |
| Aondo | the changes ubuntu has done to gnome.. is it a lot? | Sep 01 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | Aondo: this is only the start | Sep 01 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | Aondo: much more is coming | Sep 01 00:40 |
| Aondo | like the music menu thing? | Sep 01 00:40 |
| _Goblin | Aondo: I don't think it matters....Its all just about another alternative for the end user. | Sep 01 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | Aondo: the sound menu, is the only | Sep 01 00:40 |
| _Goblin | and I don't care what people think....I personally think Ubuntu One is an excellent service. | Sep 01 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | Aondo: downstreame Ubuntu change, that I seem to be 100% ok with | Sep 01 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | to Gnome | Sep 01 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | I think sound menu thats a nice idea | Sep 01 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | and could be useful | Sep 01 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | Aondo: the envelope as in indicator applet, looks like a joke on the panel | Sep 01 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | and what it does, is quite pointless really | Sep 01 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | the built in social features, screw that | Sep 01 00:42 |
| Aondo | any idea outside upstream is good tho, isnt that what free software is about? :) if upstream want the changes distroes makes, they can pick whereever they want | Sep 01 00:42 |
| _Goblin | Ask yourself this....If Ubuntu has so many problems, why are so many distro's derived from it? | Sep 01 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | not sure if Gwibber started working with Facebook again, by the way | Sep 01 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | however yeah social features are | Sep 01 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | useful for main strame, but they have done it in such a sucky way | Sep 01 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | what really annoys me though about these recent changes, is that two features that I like, are gone, when junk is enabled | Sep 01 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | for example the nice automatic shut down feature, instead lame, do you really want to shut down or re start messages. | Sep 01 00:43 |
| Aondo | you usually dont code a feature, but wait to use it before it is in upstream. | Sep 01 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | and with 9.04 it really got at me when shut down and log out got moved to the top right, instead of system menu with the nice Gnome icons, however I then also wanted both features, but coudn't just do that, and I also later found out, that Gnome 3 will have on the top right as well | Sep 01 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: acstauly quite a lot of the distros that were based on Ubuntu no longer are | Sep 01 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: also Mint are working on a Debian based version as well | Sep 01 00:44 |
| Aondo | i agree on one thing tho, about the music store, where they're not installing mp3 encoder by befault, but you still need it for their store :P | Sep 01 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | Aondo: well yes, but | Sep 01 00:44 |
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| sebsebseb | Aondo: the 10.10 installer will ask people if they want to install the codec | Sep 01 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | nice bruce89 joined :) | Sep 01 00:44 |
| _Goblin | its not there yet and mint takes the number 3 slot on distro watch, whilst ubuntu holds 1 | Sep 01 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: if you want to ask what is wrong with Ubuntu questions, bruce89 is a good person to ask | Sep 01 00:45 |
| _Goblin | the point Im making, is that Ive never had an issue at all with any Ubuntu deployment...if the end-user is happy, then Im happy. | Sep 01 00:45 |
| _Goblin | remember I am deploying Linux to my friends and family....I don't want to give them any old rubbish. | Sep 01 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I don't trust Ubuntu | Sep 01 00:46 |
| bruce89 | I'm not here to moan, no matter what sebsebseb may have sai | Sep 01 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: that much anymore, when it comes to deploying it to non technical users | Sep 01 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I would trust a relible distro such as Mandriva or PC Linux OS, much more, these days | Sep 01 00:46 |
| _Goblin | and I stand by the comment I made that if I am putting my name to a new deployment..I would rather do it with Ubuntu. | Sep 01 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: thats like people wanting to give someone Windows on a computer, because its most used on computers | Sep 01 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: doesn't mean its the best option | Sep 01 00:47 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: and this is my point...I write many Linux reviews....I would never trust Mandriva after my experience...its the point I make...personal choice. | Sep 01 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and I don't trust Ubuntu properly when it comes to wireless | Sep 01 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: or ATI cards | Sep 01 00:47 |
| bruce89 | has sebsebseb made a coherent point yet? | Sep 01 00:47 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: re Windows: not at all | Sep 01 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | after my #ubuntu and such support experience | Sep 01 00:47 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Windows is inherantly full of problems. | Sep 01 00:48 |
| _Goblin | however sebsebseb....If you wanting to give someone a system that played nicely with a O2 pay as you go dongle...what would you recommend? | Sep 01 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and I know from my experience of helping people out that, a wireless that didn't just work in Ubuntu, is more liekly to just work in Mandriva, but much more likely to work with PC LInux OS | Sep 01 00:48 |
| _Goblin | never had any issue with wireless....40+ deployments to date. | Sep 01 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: also PC Linux OS has rather good hardware support, it seems, from what people have said | Sep 01 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: hang out in #ubuntu long enough, these are the three main issues, wireless, ATI, and sound | Sep 01 00:49 |
| _Goblin | I'm sure it has...If I have problems with Ubuntu and hardware, I'd look elsewhere....I havent.. | Sep 01 00:49 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Im not disputing people have issues....Ubuntu like any OS will have problems..... | Sep 01 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu is not seen as good enough by most users | Sep 01 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | hence why they sill use Windows | Sep 01 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Sep 01 00:50 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: but for ubuntu to retain such mass popularity for so long, they have to be doing something right. | Sep 01 00:50 |
| bruce89 | I still do sebsebseb | Sep 01 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: yep same here sometimes, because of apps | Sep 01 00:50 |
| bruce89 | does that mean I'm in some way evil? | Sep 01 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | well I got to use WIndows for that DVD ROM I want to use, realy it seems, since Wine won't cut it | Sep 01 00:51 |
| _Goblin | and bruce is a good example....He is aware of choice and chooses Windows....the reason (I hope) we are all here, is to advocate choice...the best choice for the end-user.... | Sep 01 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: anyway bruce89 dislikes Ubuntu much more than me, he also educated me a bit when it came to upstream Gnome and such, which has been a blessing and a curse | Sep 01 00:51 |
| bruce89 | don't tar me with brushes | Sep 01 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I mean if I was still quite ignorant, I would probably think Ubuntu was quite great still, or not, since they did after all move shut down and log out from system menu, to the right, which really got at me, before | Sep 01 00:52 |
| bruce89 | I'll do that myself if I wish | Sep 01 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | bruce89: what does that mean? | Sep 01 00:52 |
| bruce89 | I'll speak for myself | Sep 01 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: no bruce89 mainly chooses non Ubuntu based distros, and he can tell you this him self | Sep 01 00:52 |
| _Goblin | I thought he said he used Windows too? as per the above the comment....sorry Bruce rude of me....you choose Windows as well as Linux? | Sep 01 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: however yeah the average computer user, will just use whatever OS is given to them, as long as they can do their computer tasks with it | Sep 01 00:53 |
| bruce89 | _Goblin: not for work as it were | Sep 01 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: he plays games sometimes on Windows | Sep 01 00:54 |
| _Goblin | I think it matters not what people choose, if they do it on the basis of whats best for them....I could care less if a million people use my distro or if Im the only one...it does what I want. | Sep 01 00:54 |
| sebsebseb | and as far as I know, games that can run on a Linux distro really, but a bigger monitor for the WIndows computer | Sep 01 00:54 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: most computer users don't choice | Sep 01 00:54 |
| schestowitz | [00:54] <sebsebseb> _Goblin: he plays games sometimes on Windows - Windows too is a game | Sep 01 00:54 |
| sebsebseb | the OS or Office Suite | Sep 01 00:54 |
| _Goblin | If I want to use a pay as you go broadband dongle, I have to use Windows.... | Sep 01 00:55 |
| _Goblin | luckly I don't... | Sep 01 00:55 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: they just use what is given to them, be that an OEM, or some computer person that they know, who set up the computer they use | Sep 01 00:55 |
| bruce89 | _Goblin: surely not | Sep 01 00:55 |
| bruce89 | all the work in NetworkManager and so on should help at least | Sep 01 00:55 |
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| _Goblin | bruce89: I messed with that dongle on a Linux netbook for hours... | Sep 01 00:55 |
| _Goblin | no joy..game over.... | Sep 01 00:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rofrol/@rofrol] @rofrol Apple MacBook Pro 13,3" Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz/4GB/250GB/GEFORCE 320M 3877PLN netto http://transit.waw.pl/catalog/product/view/id/5453/ | Sep 01 00:56 | |
| _Goblin | its all to do with the "timer" firmware | Sep 01 00:56 |
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| Aondo | then wrong dongle :) | Sep 01 00:56 |
| _Goblin | yep | Sep 01 00:56 |
| bruce89 | I can assume some won't work | Sep 01 00:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: can't just find the link now, but I guess you will know what I mean | Sep 01 00:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm | Sep 01 00:56 |
| bruce89 | it'll improvev over tme | Sep 01 00:56 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: there was a good article about how, Linux distros aren't really as free as people would think | Sep 01 00:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: since how GCC was made | Sep 01 00:57 |
| sebsebseb | or something like that, and how some old Sun code was used, that wasn't as free as later lisenses | Sep 01 00:57 |
| cubevector | it's a BS argument | Sep 01 00:57 |
| _Goblin | I think for the majority of users, how free or closed something is, is of no interest....(and Im talking average mainstream computer user) | Sep 01 00:57 |
| cubevector | Sun willingly let everyone use that code | Sep 01 00:58 |
| bruce89 | anyway, it's relicenced in any case now | Sep 01 00:58 |
| cubevector | it was pre-GPL era stuff | Sep 01 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2010082700935NWLL | Sep 01 00:59 |
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| cubevector | so people got all anxious about it | Sep 01 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and according to the comment can read more about it, some where else, as well | Sep 01 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: so when you asked me not that long ago, if I had read any interesting news, or had any, well yeah, that ^ | Sep 01 01:00 |
| cubevector | I definitely do care about openess | Sep 01 01:00 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: It was Sun RPC in GNU C library (glibc). Sun posted it on USENET and Rolan McGrath picked it up when he wrote glibc. | Sep 01 01:01 |
| cubevector | how can you add features or fix bugs to closed source? | Sep 01 01:01 |
| bruce89 | depends where you are | Sep 01 01:02 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: But only restriction was thay you can't use code "as is" | Sep 01 01:02 |
| gnufreex | You have to put it in larger work. | Sep 01 01:02 |
| gnufreex | Hence, puting it in glibc did the trick | Sep 01 01:03 |
| cubevector | rt2 has some simple range bugs | Sep 01 01:03 |
| cubevector | I can't do anything about it... closed source | Sep 01 01:03 |
| schestowitz | "The OAuth trait provides OAuth authentication rather than the default Basic Authentication for Twitter API method calls. See the "Authentication" section and Net::Twitter::Role::OAuth for full documentation." | Sep 01 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: also they coudn't just find the old code or something | Sep 01 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | cubevector: so yep open sourced | Sep 01 01:07 |
| cubevector | sometimes, not often | Sep 01 01:08 |
| cubevector | nothing from Loki was open source as far as I know | Sep 01 01:08 |
| cubevector | not any games anyway | Sep 01 01:09 |
| cubevector | you know it's amazing how cool this p3 is | Sep 01 01:15 |
| cubevector | 38.2 C under 100% load | Sep 01 01:15 |
| cubevector | old technology but... still useful | Sep 01 01:16 |
| cubevector | I can't think of any other cpu that cool | Sep 01 01:18 |
| cubevector | except even older cpus | Sep 01 01:18 |
| gnufreex | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/08/31/191228/No-More-Need-To-Reboot-Fedora-w-Ksplice | Sep 01 01:18 |
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| bruce89 | woo | Sep 01 01:18 |
| cubevector | is that in fedora 14? | Sep 01 01:19 |
| gnufreex | I think KSPILCE is standalone tech | Sep 01 01:20 |
| gnufreex | It is not in Fedora | Sep 01 01:20 |
| gnufreex | I will try it tomorow in Fredora 13 | Sep 01 01:20 |
| bruce89 | it is, rawhide is F15 anyway | Sep 01 01:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] BBCClick is "mostly" funded by BBC Worldwide...where does the rest of the funding come from? A question which should be asked? | Sep 01 01:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Liberal guilt http://ur1.ca/1ejrz | Sep 01 01:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Even after a reinstall, #Spaz sometimes freezes. If I can kill Spaz, I sometimes avoid having to reboot my !pre. #webos #PalmPre | Sep 01 01:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] i love it when people request features we've already implemented. :) | Sep 01 02:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Wired: Second Newspaper Chain Joins Righthaven Copyright Trolling Operation http://eff.org/r.q7x | Sep 01 02:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Classic short video from #ACLU on the problems with National ID numbers: http://www.aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf | Sep 01 02:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Day 22 of !Ramadhan. | Sep 01 02:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Reading, Writing, and RFID Chips: A Scary Back-to-School Future in California http://eff.org/r.3qw | Sep 01 02:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Sent my © assignment agreement back to !FSF today. | Sep 01 02:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Commerce Secretary parrots RIAA line, doesn't understand copyright's purpose: http://moourl.com/wxo9c | Sep 01 03:11 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Evening. | Sep 01 03:25 |
| TheMadHatter | Got some interesting links about the HuffnPuff Post | Sep 01 03:25 |
| TheMadHatter | http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/31/huffpo_glenn_beck_john_mayer_autism_vaccines_nipslip/index.html | Sep 01 03:25 |
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| TheMadHatter | and | Sep 01 03:25 |
| TheMadHatter | http://gawker.com/5489529/only-some-conspiracy-theories-welcome-at-huffington-post | Sep 01 03:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Went to an Open Source meeting. Learned about Arch. But, it failed to impress(not just me, but the whole audience) Any1 can speak about it? | Sep 01 04:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @anima109 RT @danie10: ♺ @jeanaustinr: Computers are like air conditioners -- they stop working properly if you open Windows. #Linux ... | Sep 01 06:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] My friend Sheila's photoblog (great photographer) was featured yesterday on Wordpress Freshly Pressed - cool photo http://www.ur1.ca/1elln | Sep 01 06:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I'm humming "96 Tears". Have been all day. | Sep 01 06:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Final score: Philadelphia Phillies 8, Los Angeles #Dodgers 4. #LABaseball | Sep 01 06:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Final score: Los Angeles #Angels 1, Seattle Mariners 3. #LABaseball | Sep 01 06:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ksplice Now Free for !Fedora Users http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/08/31/ksplice-now-free-for-fedora-users/ #redhat !linux #kernel | Sep 01 06:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The morning after #oauth at Twitter; what a catastrophe. Twitter.pm still seems to require some patch, maybe hacking will sort it out | Sep 01 07:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Bears repeating: http://lnxwalt.wordpress.com/2009/08/01/copyright-as-presently-defined-is-unconstitutional/ | Sep 01 07:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Florian Promotes MPEG-LA at the Expense of Free Software, Defends Intellectual Monopolies Too http://ur1.ca/1em3x #swpats | Sep 01 07:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Cancer really is a total, unparalleled, motherfucker. It took my friend, Ian away from us. :-( | Sep 01 07:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Correcting Common Case of Misreporting: #Novell is Not an Open Source Company http://ur1.ca/1em85 #deception | Sep 01 08:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @schestowitz: #Microsoft Florian Promotes MPEG-LA at the Expense of Free Software, Defends Intellectual Monopolies Too http://ur1.ca/1em3x | Sep 01 08:01 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: morning | Sep 01 08:09 |
| schestowitz | I need a small favour, are you around? | Sep 01 08:09 |
| MinceR | hay | Sep 01 08:11 |
| MinceR | i'm preparing to leave for work | Sep 01 08:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Twitter switching to #oauth made a lot of clients #fail, incl. Pino on Fedora. Twitter, you #fail. | Sep 01 08:11 | |
| schestowitz | "Here is an excerpt from an invitation for a seminar by Microsoft in Budapest/Hungary on 8.30.2010." | Sep 01 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Do you know anything about it? | Sep 01 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Like conf name? | Sep 01 08:11 |
| MinceR | nope | Sep 01 08:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @jwildeboer glad to hear it's not just me. And for the past week+ availability of old-style auth was also limited. Real nuisance. | Sep 01 08:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Software Patents and Microsoft Hurt #Korea as Country Tries to Escape #Microsoft Monopoly and Market Abuses http://ur1.ca/1emfa #swpats | Sep 01 08:26 | |
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| nenolod | oh come on | Sep 01 08:32 |
| nenolod | of course microsoft is going to talk about ways to sell people on their shit over openoffice | Sep 01 08:33 |
| nenolod | it's called capitalism | Sep 01 08:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @eff Reading, Writing, and RFID Chips: A Scary Back-to-School Future in California http://eff.org/r.3qw | Sep 01 08:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] ... and we all know that data, once collected, is going to be used for purposes beyond its original scope. Best not to collect it at all. | Sep 01 08:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft is Said to Have Had an Anti- #OpenOffice .org Seminar on Monday http://ur1.ca/1emko #oracle !gnu !linux | Sep 01 08:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] After Patent Thickets now to copyright thickets with project Harmony? @webminks take at http://bit.ly/bz7voZ | Sep 01 08:46 | |
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| oiaohm | nenolod: there is selling and there is being microsoft claiming features that the product does not really have. | Sep 01 08:55 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: I love that MS claims that MS Office at times is OOXML compadible when MS Office still does not pass MS own test cases for the standard. | Sep 01 08:57 |
| oiaohm | Same goes for MS highly suspect ODF support. | Sep 01 08:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie capitalism does not require being lieing pricks. nenolod | Sep 01 08:59 |
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| nenolod | oiaohm: wouldn't know. i just pretend windows does not exist. | Sep 01 09:15 |
| oiaohm | Sorry nenolod | Sep 01 09:16 |
| oiaohm | I do window support a lot that is the reason why I hate it. nenolod | Sep 01 09:16 |
| nenolod | that said, most "free software" is of subpar quality | Sep 01 09:16 |
| oiaohm | Not just free software is subpar. | Sep 01 09:17 |
| oiaohm | At least with free software I don't have to wait 10 years for security flaws I report to be fixed nenolod | Sep 01 09:17 |
| nenolod | no, but i think improving quality is more important than worrying about what a company that will not be relevant 10 years from now is doing | Sep 01 09:17 |
| nenolod | microsoft is busy running themselves into the ground with windows phone 7 | Sep 01 09:18 |
| oiaohm | All software is sub par. | Sep 01 09:18 |
| oiaohm | Used dominate. | Sep 01 09:18 |
| oiaohm | Just in different ways. | Sep 01 09:18 |
| nenolod | the fact is mobile is where the real battle is now | Sep 01 09:18 |
| oiaohm | Mobile will bring the Linux desktop up a level as well. | Sep 01 09:18 |
| nenolod | it will | Sep 01 09:19 |
| oiaohm | But we have to remember how MS got where they did. | Sep 01 09:19 |
| oiaohm | By creating standards then being incompadible with them. | Sep 01 09:19 |
| nenolod | MS got where they did by buying things and repurposing them | Sep 01 09:19 |
| nenolod | case in point: DOS | Sep 01 09:19 |
| oiaohm | People forget Windows 3.11 was a offical standard. | Sep 01 09:19 |
| nenolod | DOS is what made MS. | Sep 01 09:19 |
| nenolod | Windows is a drop in the bucket compared to what they made on DOS. | Sep 01 09:20 |
| oiaohm | But windows 95 is not. | Sep 01 09:20 |
| oiaohm | Dos had full released specs and clones. | Sep 01 09:20 |
| oiaohm | Windows was used to lock clones of dos out. | Sep 01 09:20 |
| nenolod | yes, but you should keep in mind that almost all of the money microsoft has made, even to this day, was off DOS. | Sep 01 09:20 |
| oiaohm | No | Sep 01 09:20 |
| nenolod | not really | Sep 01 09:21 |
| oiaohm | DOS income has been passed by MS Office quite a few years back. | Sep 01 09:21 |
| nenolod | yes, but DOS is what made microsoft what it is | Sep 01 09:21 |
| oiaohm | Basic made MS what they are. | Sep 01 09:22 |
| oiaohm | Without Basic they would not have had the funds to get QDOS that become DOS | Sep 01 09:22 |
| nenolod | well, back in the BASIC days, they were still respectable | Sep 01 09:22 |
| nenolod | really microsoft didn't become totally offensive until about Windows 98 | Sep 01 09:22 |
| oiaohm | Wrong | Sep 01 09:22 |
| oiaohm | Offensive started at Windows 95 | Sep 01 09:23 |
| oiaohm | But people did not want to believe it was happening. | Sep 01 09:23 |
| nenolod | i suppose | Sep 01 09:23 |
| nenolod | but i used amiga back then, infact, i used amiga until about 2002 | Sep 01 09:23 |
| nenolod | then i finally had to come to the conclusion that amiga was hopeless ;) | Sep 01 09:23 |
| oiaohm | also it partly started with the RTF standard between office suites before that. | Sep 01 09:23 |
| oiaohm | Note RTF is a MS standard. | Sep 01 09:23 |
| oiaohm | That MS created to unify Office formats. | Sep 01 09:24 |
| oiaohm | That MS then extented to be incompadible with everyone else implementing it. | Sep 01 09:24 |
| oiaohm | Note non documented extending. | Sep 01 09:24 |
| nenolod | i've never really used any microsoft products so i don't really care | Sep 01 09:25 |
| oiaohm | RTF was taken up by goverments. | Sep 01 09:25 |
| oiaohm | That in the end lead to MS domination in Office suites | Sep 01 09:25 |
| oiaohm | The .doc bit came latter after MS had already got there office suite everywhere. | Sep 01 09:26 |
| oiaohm | MS also tried doing the same thing with HTML. | Sep 01 09:26 |
| nenolod | yes, i remember | Sep 01 09:26 |
| nenolod | <marquee> and such | Sep 01 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft networking protocals are not thiers either. | Sep 01 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Instead they are SUN protocals that MS extentend with undocumented parts. | Sep 01 09:26 |
| oiaohm | Once you take away everything MS has Nicked over the years they is not much left. | Sep 01 09:27 |
| nenolod | my point is just | Sep 01 09:29 |
| nenolod | microsoft isn't going to be relevant in 202 | Sep 01 09:29 |
| oiaohm | All this protocal and format stealling has landed MS repeatly. before anti-trust courts. | Sep 01 09:29 |
| nenolod | 0 | Sep 01 09:29 |
| nenolod | they're dying | Sep 01 09:29 |
| nenolod | like seriously | Sep 01 09:29 |
| nenolod | the desktop OS war is irrelevant, since the desktop OS just serves to get you to facebook, etc now | Sep 01 09:30 |
| nenolod | it's mobile where they have to save themselves | Sep 01 09:30 |
| oiaohm | Remember creature dieing can be the most dangous | Sep 01 09:30 |
| nenolod | and windows phone 7 will be a massive failure | Sep 01 09:30 |
| oiaohm | More crippled MS gets the more likely they will try to break protocals and fileformats. | Sep 01 09:30 |
| oiaohm | As well as possible attempt to use patents. | Sep 01 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Basically they have to be watched carefully. | Sep 01 09:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] OATH, OAUTH, OpenID - this is all getting too complicated. We need simple identification for the future. | Sep 01 09:31 | |
| oiaohm | Its not like they have not tried to break ODF already. nenolod | Sep 01 09:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie using OOXML excel formulars in a ODF file. No where near the offical path ODF was going. | Sep 01 09:34 |
| oiaohm | By the way MS has been very stealth at using there patents. Sell patents to a patent pools that on sell them to trolls. Has been there past method. But since OIN has started buying up those patents we now see ex staff Paul attacking lots of companies. | Sep 01 09:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apple 's Co-founder Steve Wozniak a Patent Trolls' Apologist, Apple is Patenting #DRM Ideas http://ur1.ca/1en1v | Sep 01 09:36 | |
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| oiaohm | Yes MS is already attacking with patents and has for many years. | Sep 01 09:36 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/47943933#notice-48328947 " I promote #OpenOffice, but it is in the nature of any commercial institution to fight against competition, whatever size/power" | Sep 01 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | Doesn't OOo run on WIndows? :-) | Sep 01 09:39 |
| schestowitz | [08:33] <nenolod> of course microsoft is going to talk about ways to sell people on their shit over openoffice | Sep 01 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but we need to point this out | Sep 01 09:40 |
| schestowitz | TO show Microsoft is not playing nice, it goes against s/w which runs on Windows | Sep 01 09:40 |
| schestowitz | It also derails smaller competition, there are antitrust laws against that | Sep 01 09:40 |
| schestowitz | OOo uses standards | Sep 01 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can't even adhere to standards, so that's different | Sep 01 09:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Does any country have a justice system that's more of a joke than Iran? http://bit.ly/cTDLVu | Sep 01 09:41 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/47943933#notice-48329760 "I would want to verify the Anti-OpenOffice story if I were you. The basis of your story is just a comment under the article!" | Sep 01 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | I am still trying to verify this | Sep 01 09:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] She will be the most hated girl on the web: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bb4_1283184704 #viral with #cruelty always works as it seems. | Sep 01 09:46 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100831PD202.html | Sep 01 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Competition | Sep 01 10:06 |
| oiaohm | You saw my comment about Paul using patents now being interesting when you consider MS use to sell there patents off to patent pools that on sell to trolls. Since OIN started buying them up now Pual attacks. | Sep 01 10:07 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: | Sep 01 10:07 |
| oiaohm | http://arewefastyet.com/ Interesting mozilla develop tracking. | Sep 01 10:10 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Lieber Spiegel, Frankfurter Sonntagszeitung - wie wäre es mit einer Klarstellung? http://is.gd/eOZEU Von wegen Löschen geht nicht ... | Sep 01 10:11 | |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Florian: "The Software Freedom Law Center expands to India but turns blind eye to some software patent activity at home #SptC #selectivelyfree" | Sep 01 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Florian: "Moglen told members of the FOSS community that Oracle should own Sun's patents because *others* might use them against FOSS #SPtC" | Sep 01 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Remember he calls Moglen a "communist" | Sep 01 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Florian: "The best part about India for Eben Moglen may be that there are no FAT patents that he can #fail to invalidate. #SPtC #selectivelyfree" | Sep 01 10:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rcweir: Inside HU Parliament waiting for #OOoCon opening ceremonies to start. http://yfrog.com/ncq63j >Microsoft there too? | Sep 01 10:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Torvalds Causes Mob Scene at #LinuxCon Brazil http://ur1.ca/1eo4d !linux | Sep 01 11:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Telecoms Force Customers to Pay for Nothing http://ur1.ca/1eo6w This is amazing. What's next? Paying Google to *not* photograph your house? | Sep 01 11:31 | |
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| schestowitz | 451 on Fog: http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/2010/08/30/new-451-group-special-report-open-source-seeds-the-clouds/ | Sep 01 11:33 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Redstar Starts Pre-Orders for Shogo Linux-Powered Tablet [The Shogo !Linux Powered Tablet is Available] http://ur1.ca/1eo9j | Sep 01 11:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Judge denies ban on JooJoo, TechCrunch still likely to win http://ur1.ca/1eogy The dispute still goes on | Sep 01 12:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Android Apps Mostly Free, iPhone Apps Mostly Paid http://ur1.ca/1eohe Another reason to choose Linux, not hype* | Sep 01 12:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Are two proprietary CAD programs (autocad included) coming to !Linux ? http://ur1.ca/1eoit http://ur1.ca/1eoiu | Sep 01 12:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Bing on Android – Microsoft rides the coat tails of Android again? http://tinyurl.com/38k4gmd !bing !android !google !windows7 !mvp !mvpbuzz | Sep 01 12:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Increased Clientele for #RedHat http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/39537/Increased+Clientele+for+Red+Hat Hats off to !gnu !linux | Sep 01 12:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Lets see if BBCClick is going to answer the funding question Ive put to them. | Sep 01 12:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] India’s !linux based $35 PC could chew Apple to a core http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100831/BUSINESS/708319853/1005 | Sep 01 12:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: For people who are ready to contribute but do not know where to start http://openhatch.org/ | Sep 01 12:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] So Apple’s live streaming to everyone tomorrow…except #Windows and !Linux users. http://ur1.ca/1eosk #apple #snob | Sep 01 12:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes where does it say there are private hands there? | Sep 01 12:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes if MSBBC has private companies fund its shows, then why collect TV licence 'tax'? They could go private like Daily Mail & Fox | Sep 01 12:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Privately-funded #MSBBC shows teach taxpayers (who pay their bonuses) that "Windows" and "computer" are synonymous, e.g. "computer virus" | Sep 01 12:41 | |
| oiaohm | Intersting that the trend of open source platforms vs closed source platforms still keeps on happening with iphones and android | Sep 01 12:52 |
| schestowitz | yes, lucrative market | Sep 01 12:53 |
| schestowitz | High margins, telecom subsidy, more users in long term, app markets... | Sep 01 12:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/lg-talking-technology/mobile-phone-future-technology | Sep 01 13:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz I loved the careful wording of "mostly funded"....it will be interesting to see if/when they respond... | Sep 01 13:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz The tweet in question is here: http://twitter.com/BBCClick/status/22113087293 | Sep 01 13:06 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: that's no big deal | Sep 01 13:07 |
| schestowitz | So I think cable companies might pay them | Sep 01 13:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2010/08/29/for_this_disabled_job_seeker_its_all_about_networking/ | Sep 01 13:09 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: Maybe not, I just want to know where the "other" funding comes from. | Sep 01 13:09 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: since they are not allowed to advertise products on the BBC, I wonder how revenue is raised if not just from the BBC...I think its a question that needs to be asked...whatever the answer. | Sep 01 13:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Going to read the Tony Blair book....let's see what he has to say for himself.....I would imagine theres not an apology in sight... | Sep 01 13:11 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: they claim the license payer is not funding click....they claim BBCworldwide does...so who would provide the rest....and why? | Sep 01 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Cable companies | Sep 01 13:12 |
| schestowitz | To show this programme overseas maybe | Sep 01 13:12 |
| _Goblin | possibly... | Sep 01 13:13 |
| _Goblin | it would be nice to know though for sure. | Sep 01 13:13 |
| _Goblin | what if a hardware or software manufacturer (and any not just MS) are helping fund....what would that say about Click..? Thats why I asked the question.... | Sep 01 13:14 |
| _Goblin | to me honest tech reporting cannot be done if your point of view is being funded by the very material you cover. | Sep 01 13:14 |
| _Goblin | magazines are open about it and we take that in consideration when reading their material....BBCclick should be too. | Sep 01 13:15 |
| _Goblin | if I don't ask, I won't know......whatever the answer, I'll make sure I mention it. | Sep 01 13:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSSGE67T09720100830 " The following were the top stories in The New York Times business pages on Monday. Reuters has not verified these stories and does not vouch for their accuracy." | Sep 01 13:22 |
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| schestowitz | AT least they try to get these right | Sep 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: in magazine you can check who advertises | Sep 01 13:23 |
| schestowitz | It's in the pages | Sep 01 13:23 |
| schestowitz | There are also some webzines that are in Microsoft's pocket.... 1105 Media for example | Sep 01 13:23 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Euronet migrates from #Microsoft #Windows to #RedHat Enterprise Virtualization and Red Hat Enterprise !Linux http://ur1.ca/1ep95 | Sep 01 13:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Media Post takes new "New York Times" piece (of *) and warps headline to say "Oracle's Suit Against Google Threatens Open Source Movement" | Sep 01 13:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Porn-browsing Oz minister quits - http://bit.ly/9XbPSe a tiny hint of why the Australia's censorship won't work #au #censorship | Sep 01 13:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Should Open Source Communities Avoid Contributor Agreements? - http://bit.ly/aMAXUW picking up on some themes I've been raising too | Sep 01 13:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Labour was wrong to pass the freedom of information act: Tony Blair - http://bit.ly/9xPzVG says it all, really #freedom #blair | Sep 01 13:51 | |
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| schestowitz | "Blair's memoir contains a passionate defence of the war in Iraq and of New Labour's public service and welfare reform plans, which the former prime minister believes his successor abandoned." | Sep 01 13:52 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: you bought his book? | Sep 01 13:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] RT @mairin: how wrong am i on !fedora updates? http://ur1.ca/1elao I just gave my comment to your blog on Fedora packets | Sep 01 13:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Amazing. In Budapest, one day Microsoft's Moritz Berger (@moritzbe) attacks #OpenOffice and days later he gives talk on "Building Bridges" | Sep 01 14:01 | |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: no work today? | Sep 01 14:05 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Big money financies far right politics in America http://ur1.ca/1epmb | Sep 01 14:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Access to Knowledge: A Guide for Everyone - http://bit.ly/cHO6fn excellent, accessible guide to key issues around intellectual monopolies | Sep 01 14:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 2010 Linux Graphics Survey http://ping.fm/v4kvd | Sep 01 14:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 1/9/2010: #Chakra 0.2.0, #Ksplice Free for !Fedora http://techrights.org/2010/09/01/ksplice-for-fedora/ !techrights | Sep 01 14:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 1/9/2010: Chakra 0.2.0, Ksplice Free for Fedora | Techrights .::. Size~: 125.07 KB | Sep 01 14:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 10 bailed-out banks spent $16.3M lobbying in 1H http://ur1.ca/1epwn that's a lot of 'coffee' bills | Sep 01 14:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fed officials discussed further stimulus steps http://ur1.ca/1epwx Got debt? Take more loans then :-/ | Sep 01 14:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] SEC says it lacked authority to charge Moody's http://ur1.ca/1epzk to see how corrupt Moody's is, watch http://ur1.ca/1epzl | Sep 01 15:01 | |
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| schestowitz | Who is "FEWT"? | Sep 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | A lot of Linux-hostile stuff too often | Sep 01 15:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] RIM reaches compromise in India http://ur1.ca/1eq6l | Sep 01 15:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @Carolyn_Bennett RT @themarknews Do you support the idea of safe-injection sites? Vote on our latest poll http://www.ur1.ca/1eq71!canada | Sep 01 15:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Dear Twitter: "Tweet" is an English word rt @publicknowledge Twitter is making another go at #trademark for "tweet" http://www.ur1.ca/1eq7m | Sep 01 15:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz guess the bail outs didn't come with a user's manual. | Sep 01 15:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://tech.nocr.at/tech/a-new-commodore-64/ | Sep 01 15:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A New Commodore 64? | tech.nocr.at .::. Size~: 44.33 KB | Sep 01 15:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] BE: Political party moving to a complete open source desktop http://ur1.ca/1enop they chose !ubuntu !gnu !linux | Sep 01 15:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @laurelrusswurm maybe they are being twits | Sep 01 15:41 | |
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| cubevector | the new commodore 64 has nothing to do with the c64 | Sep 01 15:43 |
| cubevector | it's just a PC | Sep 01 15:44 |
| cubevector | that article isn't very good | Sep 01 15:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Stefan Lindegaard on the "Open Innovation Revolution" at 1700 GMT Sep 1. Register https://inquiries.redhat.com/go/redhat/osdc-webinar #fb | Sep 01 15:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Use this to register: http://opensource.com/life/10/9/today-open-your-world-webcast-stefan-lindegaard-open-innovation-revolution | Sep 01 15:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] We do love #KDE! Find out why by reading our latest review: http://bit.ly/9c9k7m | Sep 01 15:56 | |
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| cubevector | the "new" c64 is just another Intel Atom based computer | Sep 01 15:58 |
| cubevector | weird, they made it look like a c64 | Sep 01 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/08/30/tea | Sep 01 16:01 |
| schestowitz | ppc | Sep 01 16:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Google video chat for Fedora: http://ur1.ca/1eqjm #fb > http://ur1.ca/1eqjn | Sep 01 16:01 | |
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| cubevector | they also have a mockup of something that looks rather like an amiga 1200 | Sep 01 16:02 |
| cubevector | again, it's just a redressed PC | Sep 01 16:03 |
| cubevector | http://www.commodoreusa.net/Commodore_Phoenix_computer.html | Sep 01 16:04 |
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| cubevector | the "Commodore" phoenix runs on Ubuntu | Sep 01 16:06 |
| cubevector | they also mention AROS, which is surprising | Sep 01 16:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Tux Radar likes !KDE 4.5 http://www.tuxradar.com/content/reviewed-kde-45 others may not http://www.itnewstoday.com/?p=1803 | Sep 01 16:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Looking for a distro to go along with your new KDE appreciation? Read our review of Mint 9 KDE: http://bit.ly/dfc9yv | Sep 01 16:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Big questions for cops in the Big Easy http://ur1.ca/1er9f | Sep 01 16:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz I loved KDE 4.4.3 on Mandriva 2010. Now, I'm willing to buy a better machine, so I can run Mandriva 2010. Gorgeous desktop | Sep 01 16:31 | |
| cubevector | blah | Sep 01 16:34 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ukraine to Create is Own GNU/Linux Distro - http://bit.ly/9XH61Q let's hope it doesn't get bogged down like Russia's #ukraine #linux | Sep 01 16:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] WebOS 2.0 Pushed to Developers - http://bit.ly/9JGq6J good to see some movement here #webos #hp | Sep 01 16:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Road to cut off Serengeti migration route - http://bit.ly/9X9YAK after all, who cares about 2 million wildebeest and zebra? #madness | Sep 01 16:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Does Steven Levitan Also Want A Cut Every Time You Buy A TV? - http://bit.ly/cjTfl2 that #entitlement virus | Sep 01 17:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Holy Smokes! At 5.2 GHz IBM Chip is Super Fast - http://bit.ly/aJp8IP remember the 4.77 MHz 8088 in the IBM PC? Worryingly, I do... #chips | Sep 01 17:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EnterpriseDB: Open Source Database Attracts More Funding - http://bit.ly/djhZ7m time to take over from MySQL...? #dbs #opensource | Sep 01 17:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Uses Linux to 'Succeed' http://techrights.org/2010/09/01/microsoft-loves-linux-racketeering/ | Sep 01 17:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Jailbreaking your phone fuels piracy? WTF? http://bit.ly/czZ7Fj | Sep 01 17:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @webmink On Copyright Aggregation: A collaborative activity dubbed Project Harmony is now under way between corporate and ... http:/ ... | Sep 01 17:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Beating the heat in Iraq http://ur1.ca/1etnh | Sep 01 17:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Introducing Copyright - http://bit.ly/9yUDrD calm and sensible intro to all the key areas #copyright | Sep 01 17:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I think @webmink's feed's doing reruns perhaps b/c of #Twitter bullshit w/ auth changes,but his copyright article is worth a 2nd look anyway | Sep 01 17:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @glynmoody Introducing !Copyright - http://bit.ly/9yUDrD calm and sensible intro to all the key areas | Sep 01 17:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @hapee hapeeg: Web platform helps aid groups locate Pakistani flood victims Deutsche Welle | 31.08.2010 http://ow.ly/2xV... http://b ... | Sep 01 17:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] If Fashion Copyright Harms So Many, Why Is Congress Pushing For It? - http://bit.ly/9YRaW8 explaining the dynamics #copyright | Sep 01 17:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @glynmoody, I hope you'll write more yourself on for-profit copyright manipulations in #FLOSS world. We need more ppl speaking out on it. | Sep 01 17:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @bkuhn yes, I think that's likely - it's clearly becoming an increasingly hot issue | Sep 01 17:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Microsoft Uses Linux to 'Succeed' http://techrights.org/2010/09/01/microsoft-loves-linux-racketeering/ | Sep 01 17:31 | |
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| _Goblin | Hopefully the wife is coming back from the shops with a copy of the vampires book... | Sep 01 17:31 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://identi.ca/notice/48391736 "I don't understand why people aren't getting pissed because of this" | Sep 01 17:33 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz Btw, what does the little fuzzy critter pictured have to do with Microsoft or Linux in "Microsoft Uses Linux to ‘Succeed’ " ? | Sep 01 17:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Lobbyists Continue to Push for Software Patents in #Europe (Transforming Government) to Tax !Linux http://ur1.ca/1eu2a #swpats | Sep 01 17:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Windows phone 7, Android, and market relevance - http://bit.ly/cfoqyP nice analysis of dubious reasoning #windowsphone7 #android | Sep 01 17:36 | |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I am helping someone this afternoon, hes on the verge of installing Ubuntu | Sep 01 17:37 |
| gnufreex | I am pissed, but what to do, that is consturctive? | Sep 01 17:37 |
| gnufreex | wrt http://techrights.org/2010/09/01/microsoft-loves-linux-racketeering/ | Sep 01 17:37 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "The regulation of Carbon Dioxide in our atmosphere should be left to God and not government" - http://bit.ly/dah9d2 uh-huh... #bonkers | Sep 01 17:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ohio Tea Party survey to candidates: The regulation of Carbon Dioxide in our atmosphere should be left to God and not government and I oppose all measures of Cap and Trade as well as the teaching of global warming theory in our schools. « Climate Progress .::. Size~: 50.88 KB | Sep 01 17:41 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: Im sure it will be sucessful....whats the flavor Gnome/KDE or other? | Sep 01 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: hes doing Ubuntu so Gnome | Sep 01 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | with their patches uh | Sep 01 17:45 |
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| _Goblin | ah..I see..I personally deploy a couple of vers behind the current and presently when I deploy it I choose 9.10... | Sep 01 17:46 |
| _Goblin | (gnome | Sep 01 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: well this is some total newbie I am helipng | Sep 01 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: he hasn't even had an install of Ubuntu just yet | Sep 01 17:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I am interviewed in the current edition of !GNOME Journal about my representation of !FSF on the GNOME Advisory Board: http://ur1.ca/1eu0d | Sep 01 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yay! M$ get a patent for OS shutdown? I want to file one for OS Replacement! http://tinyurl.com/3y6eqfl #fb | Sep 01 17:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] There seems to be an unfilled niche in holiday genres, cruises for lethagric peeps, called Snooze Cruises | Sep 01 18:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @laurelrusswurm Ubuntu's Meerkat. Who other than Microsoft would want to explout it? | Sep 01 18:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Boosters of Software Patents in !Linux / #UNIX Sued for #Patent Violation http://ur1.ca/1ev5n #swpats | Sep 01 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] It's a bird, it´s a plane… no it’s “ACTA light” - http://bit.ly/c9CVix "anti-ACTA campaign is having a deep impact" (via @StopActaNow) #acta | Sep 01 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Loving the error messages in Mustard, flash up and disappear in a second, so you can't possibly get time to read what the error is | Sep 01 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Something about a java exception | Sep 01 18:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ecommerce directive: EU Commission sneaks out filtering review - http://bit.ly/9eZaGO the arrogance is staggering #eu #filtering | Sep 01 18:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ecommerce directive: EU Commission sneaks out filtering review - http://bit.ly/9eZaGO the arrogance is staggering #eu #filtering | Sep 01 18:16 | |
| gnufreex | VAR Gay lies again http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/09/01/microsoft-25-percent-of-virtualization-market-and-climbing/ | Sep 01 18:17 |
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| cubezzz | what is the truth? | Sep 01 18:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Jobs: Hey Google, We’re Activating 230,000 NEW iOS Devices A Day - http://tcrn.ch/axInG0 feeling the heat, eh Steve? #android #iphone | Sep 01 18:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Scottish RBS protestors suffer defamation http://ur1.ca/1ew2d | Sep 01 18:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Join me in 30mins at 11am Pac / 2pm Eas / 6pm UTC for my live Ubuntu/Community video Q+A at http://is.gd/eDacF #ubuntu #community | Sep 01 18:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] I'm at N28.02481 E34.44151, happily making scuba diving... :-) | Sep 01 18:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "While... modernizing !Copyright is a good idea, I don’t believe !C32 moves towards that goal." ~!q @russellmcOrmond http://www.ur1.ca/1ei3i | Sep 01 18:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Facebook faces campaign to switch to renewable energy - http://bit.ly/aASlms more grumbling #facebook #energy | Sep 01 18:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Internet Explorer 8 Gains While Internet Explorer 6 Dropping Off - Except in China - http://bit.ly/dxuKiR interesting anomaly #china #ie | Sep 01 18:46 | |
| gnufreex | cubezzz: I don't know, but VAR Guy is lately boosting Hyper-V. I don't beleive they got 25% of virtualization market. | Sep 01 18:49 |
| gnufreex | HyperV is crap | Sep 01 18:49 |
| MinceR | Hype-V | Sep 01 18:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @glynmoody Ecommerce directive: EU Commission sneaks out filtering review - http://bit.ly/9eZaGO the arrogance is staggering #eu #fil ... | Sep 01 18:51 | |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Expect Floyd to defend Centrify and Likewise and call Quest a patent troll. | Sep 01 18:58 |
| gnufreex | He just attacked IBM again http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/ | Sep 01 18:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz Disney? I saw Lion King (and wasn't that the only story they've made a feature film of that isn't a remix of something else?) | Sep 01 19:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Internet Explorer 8 Gains While Internet Explorer 6 Dropping Off - Except in China - http://bit.ly/dxuKiR interesting anomaly #china #ie | Sep 01 19:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Oliver Sacks on Vision, His Next Book, and Surviving Cancer - http://bit.ly/97cJwo fine interview with a wonderful person #oliversacks | Sep 01 19:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Announcing PLoS Blogs - http://bit.ly/b4Lfia first the Guardian, now this: science blogs are *hot* #blogs #science | Sep 01 19:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Welcome to Mahara - http://bit.ly/99Tvdo "an open source e-portfolio system with a flexible display framework" new to me, to my shame | Sep 01 19:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Ukraine to Create is Own GNU/Linux Distro - http://bit.ly/9XH61Q let's hope it doesn't get bogged down >> http://ur1.ca/0szge | Sep 01 19:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @thistleweb they also say that p2p funds TERROR~1 | Sep 01 19:11 | |
| schestowitz | bkuhn writes "bullshit" publicly? | Sep 01 19:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bkuhn @glynmoody, I hope you'll write more yourself on for-profit copyright manipulations in #FLOSS world. | Sep 01 19:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Prices, Promotions and extortion – The One Microsoft Way ? http://tinyurl.com/2vx4ham !microsoft !mvp !mvpbuzz !windows !android !winmob !7 | Sep 01 19:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "[We are] aware of who the biggest bootleggers are ... It's not the filesharers." ~ @GraceMaxwell !q http://www.ur1.ca/d4ro !copyright | Sep 01 19:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Pledge for Democracy http://ur1.ca/1ey32 | Sep 01 19:26 | |
| cubevector | "Anspach won the case on appeals in 1979, as the 9th District Court determined that the trademark "Monopoly" was generic, and therefore unenforceable.[9] However, on Hasbro's pressure, the US Congress immediately passed a statute amending the Trademark Act to protect longstanding marks against 'generic' claims. Thus the game's name remains a registered trademark of Parker Brothers, as do its specific design elements" | Sep 01 19:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Twitter's switch to #OAuth appears to have caught many tools developers flatfooted. Either it was too hard to implement or they just didn't. | Sep 01 19:36 | |
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| -NickServ-schestowitz has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Sep 01 19:48 | |
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| schestowitz | I fell off | Sep 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | [Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:44:18] <schestowitz> [18:49] <gnufreex> cubezzz: I don't know, but VAR Guy is lately boosting Hyper-V. I don't beleive they got 25% of virtualization market. | Sep 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | [Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:44:22] <schestowitz> Just lately/ | Sep 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | [Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:44:23] <schestowitz> ? | Sep 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | [Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:44:37] <schestowitz> 25% is maybe some Microsoft number | Sep 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | [Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:44:57] <schestowitz> "25% of [put something which makes it sound valid here]" | Sep 01 19:48 |
| schestowitz | [Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:46:12] <schestowitz> [18:58] <gnufreex> schestowitz: Expect Floyd to defend Centrify and Likewise and call Quest a patent troll. | Sep 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | [Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:46:30] <schestowitz> I call Microsoft Florian a lobbyist, if not a troll | Sep 01 19:49 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Grallia??? | Sep 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Not Gorilla? | Sep 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Or grrrrla? | Sep 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Was it intetional? | Sep 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | He is to IDG what Bought/Bot/Bott is to ZDNet | Sep 01 19:57 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: stuck up quite a conversation with Danny Shine recently..... | Sep 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Sells Windows books for a living | Sep 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Demeaning to Microsoft rivals | Sep 01 19:57 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: but he does make a valid point about people not wanting a Windows platform. | Sep 01 19:57 |
| _Goblin | on mobile. | Sep 01 19:57 |
| _Goblin | and it echoed what Ive been saying.. | Sep 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | I just don't feed him | Sep 01 19:57 |
| schestowitz | If you don't feed him, he'll lose the blog | Sep 01 19:58 |
| _Goblin | but then again, I like to bring hypocrites out in the open... | Sep 01 19:58 |
| _Goblin | and if indeed he is pro-MS, that adds credability to my point that even an MS advocate has the same feelings about a particular MS product. | Sep 01 19:59 |
| _Goblin | Its similar to that conversation we had about that "other" MS reporter. | Sep 01 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Good point | Sep 01 20:00 |
| _Goblin | dangerous people that can be turned back on MS. | Sep 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | rarely happens | Sep 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | At best you make them give a hug, like cops | Sep 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | everything is OK then | Sep 01 20:00 |
| _Goblin | yeah... | Sep 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | But then they get back to the paycheck | Sep 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer | Sep 01 20:00 |
| schestowitz | And duty to Microsoft | Sep 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | They are not in the business of doing what's right (at Microsoft) | Sep 01 20:01 |
| _Goblin | yep...I think though that resentment is gaining.... | Sep 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Just increasing $$$ ("shareholder value") | Sep 01 20:01 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: when was the last time Preston got a rose of a laptop? | Sep 01 20:02 |
| _Goblin | I was speaking to a "employee" like me who is driver for the second in line to my "big boss" (I think you get my drift)....all he could talk about was how great it was to be free of MS....this was an average user and whilst he may have gone to Apple, the wind of change (and users knowing they have choice) is a good thing. | Sep 01 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Apple is not a choice in second- and 3rd-world countries | Sep 01 20:03 |
| _Goblin | I think whilst Apples actions are questionable, it assists in the chipping away of MS monopoly and also introduces many to the concept of change....just like FF did with the browser. | Sep 01 20:04 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't put FF on the same footing as crApple | Sep 01 20:04 |
| _Goblin | probably not...bad example...but it was to convey the "ethos" of breaking people out of habits | Sep 01 20:04 |
| _Goblin | if they changed to Apple it will hopefully make them see PC != Microsoft and open to future recommendations of change and other platforms. | Sep 01 20:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] In the last year, what new feature has impressed you most about Linux? Get your views in our podcast: http://bit.ly/cagYLV | Sep 01 20:06 | |
| MinceR | crApple's ineptitude would probably help them make the next step | Sep 01 20:07 |
| _Goblin | thats the idea....but if Apple helps facilitate the breaking away from a "one microsoft way" mindset....then questionable actions or not Apple indirectly (and unintentionally) serves the greater good. | Sep 01 20:08 |
| _Goblin | which is freedom of choice without lockin. | Sep 01 20:08 |
| _Goblin | brb quick power down...need to switch power adaptors...need a 8 way plugged in. | Sep 01 20:10 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Rather witty Very Demotivational poster - http://bit.ly/c1ZKRk spoilt only by the misquotation from Monty Python... | Sep 01 20:11 | |
| *schestowitz backs | Sep 01 20:13 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfeed.org/micropost-mp/mp-apple-e-microsoft-unite-dall%E2%80%99amore-per-i-brevetti.html | Sep 01 20:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] More Geneva Convention violations by US forces http://ur1.ca/1ezy8 | Sep 01 20:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Police in accountability shocker, bet the copper wasn't expecting to actually be held accountable http://bbc.in/cSMRUL | Sep 01 20:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] William Gibson jacks into Google's cool menace - http://bit.ly/bivsVb short but sweet review #google #books | Sep 01 20:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] The Disters Contest: Compete for some serious cash ($10K!). More info via @novell: http://bit.ly/as4fxY | Sep 01 20:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Kiwi Linux 10.08 released with Chromium, Shotwell and more http://ping.fm/aXEWd | Sep 01 21:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] VMware doesn't like Windows - Computerworld Blogs http://ow.ly/2y8uk | Sep 01 21:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Now why do Gnome refuse to start, if my wacom is connected doing startup !Fedora !Linux after getting the latest kernel from repo !gimp | Sep 01 21:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Announcing this week's Bug Day target - Empathy! - Thursday, 2 September 2010! http://ping.fm/1KuIs | Sep 01 21:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 1/9/2010: Linux in Ukraine, 'Green Party' of Belgium Moves to !GNU !Linux Desktops http://ur1.ca/1f1a8 #Ecolo !Ubuntu | Sep 01 21:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Can councils rise to the Open Source challenge? Should they? - Liberal Democrat Voice http://ping.fm/r405M | Sep 01 21:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Listening to SceneSat http://scenesat.com !radio !scene !amiga !demoscene !scene !streaming | Sep 01 21:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Microsoft Patents OS Shutdown http://ping.fm/MftA7 | Sep 01 21:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[timbl/@timbl] Google now indexes SVG http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/08/google-now-indexes-svg.html #SVG #W3C @W3C | Sep 01 21:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Democracy in Russia http://ur1.ca/1f1x7 | Sep 01 21:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @timbl Google now indexes SVG http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2010/08/google-now-indexes-svg.html #SVG #W3C @W3C | Sep 01 21:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Dear @evan, the people at @support won't add a filter to block spmmaers with *.co.cc/sitemap.php websites. I got 20+ spam today. | Sep 01 21:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Be aware of Fedora's new kernel and problems with connected wacom's just filed this "Bug 629385" !Fedora !Kernel !Wacom !Linux | Sep 01 21:36 | |
| schestowitz | linuxfoundation promotes novell,as usual | Sep 01 21:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] mmm...I still think K3b is far better than Brasero....Im sticking with K3b.. | Sep 01 21:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] NOVL CFO: "Depletion of the original Microsoft certificates this year makes for a challenging year-over-year comparison.” #notsurprised | Sep 01 21:41 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! | Sep 01 21:44 |
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| gnufreex | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/31/microsoft_vmware_cloud_cold_shower/ | Sep 01 21:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft douses VMware with cold cloud shower • The Register .::. Size~: 27.96 KB | Sep 01 21:45 |
| gnufreex | Microsoft is on anti-VMware campaign | Sep 01 21:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Does anyone know how soon the !pino guys will get around to dealing with Twitter #Oauth? | Sep 01 21:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] If you are creating a remix of !fedora using livecd-creator it won't work because of #626780 #624028 #mess | Sep 01 21:46 | |
| gnufreex | They claim HyperV has 25% of the market (Var Gay) and they send leters to VMware customers, warning them about lock it. Microsoft warns about lockin... ha | Sep 01 21:47 |
| Ziodotmatrix | gnufreex: kinda funny considering what even Ellison said about the term "cloud computing" | Sep 01 21:47 |
| gnufreex | Yes | Sep 01 21:47 |
| gnufreex | He said that is nothing new AFAIK? | Sep 01 21:48 |
| gnufreex | Jim Whitehurst said cloud can be mother of all lockins | Sep 01 21:48 |
| Ziodotmatrix | gnufreex: basically: http://tinyurl.com/367lp2m | Sep 01 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube- Why Larry Ellison hates Cloud computing .::. Size~: 108.79 KB | Sep 01 21:50 |
| gnufreex | I watched that. | Sep 01 21:51 |
| Ziodotmatrix | gnufreex: yea so you know it's just a new name on an old concept that is being pushed to residential and small business customers. | Sep 01 21:52 |
| Ziodotmatrix | anyway gtg | Sep 01 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Loud computing | Sep 01 21:52 |
| schestowitz | marketing | Sep 01 21:52 |
| gnufreex | Only diference is that they try to trick people to completely give up their data and send it over internet for someone else to process it. | Sep 01 21:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Gunman takes hostages at the Discovery Channel: http://shorl.com/brupradryhidrejo | Sep 01 21:56 | |
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| *sebsebseb is having fun today | Sep 01 22:06 | |
| *sebsebseb getting a guy to do a load of great stuff in Ubuntu, and its only his first day | Sep 01 22:06 | |
| sebsebseb | and he says he's loving it | Sep 01 22:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Why do android apps delete shortcuts from the desktop when updated? And do we really have to update them MS style, 1 at a time with wizards | Sep 01 22:06 | |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 01 22:06 |
| *amarsh04 has quit (K-Lined) | Sep 01 22:06 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: indeed | Sep 01 22:06 |
| sebsebseb | I have spent a lot of time with him so far though | Sep 01 22:06 |
| gnufreex | kewl | Sep 01 22:06 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah he will install what I say and yeah :) | Sep 01 22:07 |
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| sebsebseb | just done kubuntu, and lubuntu, and xubuntu | Sep 01 22:07 |
| sebsebseb | so he's about to log into those and check them out | Sep 01 22:07 |
| sebsebseb | Virutalbox after this :) | Sep 01 22:08 |
| gnufreex | and KVM affter that :) | Sep 01 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: no don't think his computer can do KVM, plus mine can't, so I don't really know how to use KVM | Sep 01 22:09 |
| gnufreex | Oh, pitty. | Sep 01 22:09 |
| gnufreex | But VB is great | Sep 01 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | indeed it is | Sep 01 22:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] "On copyright aggregation" by @webmink, reposted on #opensource.com with nice CC-BY-SA graphic :) http://ur1.ca/1f3ei | Sep 01 22:11 | |
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| MinceR | well, QEMU will just work without KVM then :> | Sep 01 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: QEMU can be fun to play with yeah | Sep 01 22:16 |
| *sebsebseb finds it a bit annoying, when telling people to log out, or re boot, they don't come back pretty quickly, after woulds | Sep 01 22:17 | |
| sebsebseb | anyway here he is | Sep 01 22:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FOSSmaniac It ws awesome 2 see Eben Moglen, Venky Hariharan @nsisodiya @niyambhushan, GT Rao and other FOSSouls at #SPtC #foss #swpats | Sep 01 22:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Labour saving tech equals boredom for workers? http://ur1.ca/1f3vs | Sep 01 22:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] The #Discovery Channel crisis ends. http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/swat-situation-at-discovery-channel-in-silver-spring-090101 | Sep 01 22:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Really useful code for today: goobook -- http://pypi.python.org/pypi/goobook/ | Sep 01 22:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SWAT Situation at Discovery Channel in Silver Spring .::. Size~: 59.46 KB | Sep 01 22:31 |
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| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #boycottnovell and #boycottnovell-social | Sep 01 22:44 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:18:45 2010 | Sep 01 22:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Scary. Gunman's manifesto is classic #ecoterrorist dogma. Is this what Gore's #AIT does to viewers? | Sep 01 22:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] As Predicted, OpenSolaris Board Disbands http://tinyurl.com/2w4sotv | Sep 01 22:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: As Predicted, OpenSolaris Board Disbands | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 45.45 KB | Sep 01 22:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oh dear! The "Sonia Arrison Shill" is back, this time daemonising RMS http://ur1.ca/1f4qt c.f. http://ur1.ca/1f4qu | Sep 01 22:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @reality Shut up Tony Blair | Sep 01 22:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] The next !elmdentica release will be incompatible with the current database schema. Sorry for the inconvenience but so far I reduced crashes | Sep 01 23:01 | |
| schestowitz | Notice how Sonia uses Mac Asay to look bad | Sep 01 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Fauxpen sourcers | Sep 01 23:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Tomorrow I'll be back... to work after my paternity leave #ohnoes #notsosoon | Sep 01 23:06 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.novell.com/company/blogs/global/?p=127 "When Kevin Rose saw Digg’s numbers start to plummet, he looked closely at the data and discovered that users were finding Digg was becoming too much of a firehose on wide spray, instead of more focused content. " | Sep 01 23:10 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @zoobab UPLS and EU-EPLA seminar by Arcelor Chair, Brussels, Fri 24 Sep, software patents in the EU [..] http://ur1.ca/1evil | Sep 01 23:26 | |
| schestowitz | http://web.archive.org/web/20060712184552/http://iq.org/index.html | Sep 01 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | o. | Sep 01 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi everyone | Sep 01 23:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Unigine Announces Its OilRush Game For Linux http://ur1.ca/1f5z3 "Will this be the best Linux native game we see in 2010?" | Sep 01 23:36 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Chips_B_Malroy | Sep 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | "More than half of all workers have experienced a spell of unemployment, taken a cut in pay or hours, been forced to go part-time or seen other such problems during and after the Great Recession." | Sep 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/31/AR2010083102816.html | Sep 01 23:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Katrina vanden Heuvel - No holiday for labor unions .::. Size~: 91.77 KB | Sep 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | I think it explains it OK | Sep 01 23:37 |
| schestowitz | "part time"=employed | Sep 01 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, got a lot of stuff to paste here, would you rather a text file? | Sep 01 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Slowly share | Sep 01 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok | Sep 01 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Microsoft paints failures in China and the Orient as progress | Sep 01 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | About the only thing that China has been useful for to Microsoft, is providing cheap labor and materials to make its defective XBox360's. Other than that, China is not a major consumer of Microsoft products. The XBox360 is banned in China, MS software is pirated by the masses at the highest rates on the planet. Bing is going nowhere in China despite Google trying to leave and moving to Hong Kong. In fact, when all is | Sep 01 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | taken into account, China might be just another cash sink for Microsoft in general. | Sep 01 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In fact, when Steve Ballmer was drooling over the prospect of Google leaving China, and saying that he and Microsoft had no problem with the Red Chinese censureship of Bing in China, it was probably cause he thought MS would gain search market share if Google left. Bing has a minuscule market share in China and Japan. In Japan, Yahoo Japan decided to partner with Google instead of Bing, a clear rejection for MS. | Sep 01 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Things are so bad now, that MS is trying to 'partner' in Bing business in Red China. But we know what the 'partner' word means in this case, its just MS trying to sell off some of its toxic Bing non-performing units. MS is really cutting back and using PR to hide this. | Sep 01 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704421104575463323619448654.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Sep 01 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Sets Goal for China - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 172.38 KB | Sep 01 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Bing is operated in China by Shanghai MSN Network Communications Technology Co., a joint venture with Shanghai Alliance Investment Ltd. Mr. Leung said that venture "may or may not" be involved in the new deal and declined to comment on whether Microsoft might switch partners. Shanghai MSN and Shanghai Alliance couldn't be reached." | Sep 01 23:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Mr. Leung declined to name any possible joint-venture partner for search, say whether it would be a search company or give further details" | Sep 01 23:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "NetEase.com Inc. or Tencent Holdings Ltd., which run two of the less popular Chinese search engines, could be candidates." | Sep 01 23:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Microsoft has said little about its ambitions in China for its Bing search engine. It has just a tiny slice of China's online search market and doesn't appear to have gained much from Google Inc. this year moving its China search service to Hong Kong." | Sep 01 23:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Microsoft also is seeking approval from the Chinese government to sell its Xbox videogame console in China, Mr. Leung said. Though regulations are murky, Mr. Leung said consoles are "essentially" banned in the country." | Sep 01 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100831-704129.html | Sep 01 23:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: INTERVIEW: Microsoft Seeks China JV Partner For Online Search - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 130.77 KB | Sep 01 23:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | next | Sep 01 23:45 |
| schestowitz | [23:40] <Chips_B_Malroy> taken into account, China might be just another cash sink for Microsoft in general. | Sep 01 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft needs China | Sep 01 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Monoculture | Sep 01 23:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As Microsoft has taken control of Yahoo's search engine and replaced it with Bing, Yahoo loses markets. Reaction to using Bing, causes first Japan and now South Korea to abandon Yahoo. | Sep 01 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Outpost | Sep 01 23:45 |
| schestowitz | In Japan Microsoft gets weaker due to Apple | Sep 01 23:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They will never get paid in China for MS Windows and Office by the masses. MS has educated people on how to be pirates. | Sep 01 23:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9HVBL602.htm | Sep 01 23:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: South Korean company dumping Yahoo's search ads - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 41.62 KB | Sep 01 23:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Yahoo Inc. is about to lose one of its search advertising partners in South Korea as the Internet company prepares to convert to Microsoft Corp.'s technology." | Sep 01 23:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "NHN Corp. in South Korea will stop relying on Yahoo's search ads when its current contract expires in November, according to a Wednesday filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission." | Sep 01 23:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | next | Sep 01 23:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So far China has banned the defective product known as the MS XBox360 from being sold to Chinese consumers. But further competition from a Chinese company is about to come out: | Sep 01 23:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.redorbit.com/news/scifi-gaming/1909946/chinesedeveloped_ebox_to_enter_game_console_market/ | Sep 01 23:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Move over, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo--it looks like a new player is about to enter the video game hardware market, as Chinese IT manufacturer Lenovo has announced plans to launch a new gaming console by the end of the year." | Sep 01 23:48 |
| schestowitz | [23:46] <Chips_B_Malroy> They will never get paid in China for MS Windows and Office by the masses. MS has educated people on how to be pirates. | Sep 01 23:48 |
| schestowitz | But they crack down on business | Sep 01 23:48 |
| schestowitz | But first govt | Sep 01 23:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "According to AFP reports, the device, known as the eBox, will be a controller-free console that will be controlled solely through the use of gestures, not unlike Microsoft's soon-to-be-released Kinect attachment for the Xbox 360." | Sep 01 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 01 23:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The crack downs are more for PR purposes. They don't generate large revenues when taking in the total picture. | Sep 01 23:49 |
| schestowitz | China owns all | Sep 01 23:49 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hehe | Sep 01 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | The crack downs are more for PR purposes. They don't generate large revenues when taking in the total picture. | Sep 01 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | China owns all | Sep 01 23:49 |
| schestowitz | EVen Japan | Sep 01 23:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | China is going stiff Microsoft long term. | Sep 01 23:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its only Ballmer that is too blind to see that. | Sep 01 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Poor Microsoft the "underdog" | Sep 01 23:50 |
| schestowitz | They still control them as hostages | Sep 01 23:51 |
| schestowitz | And they add restrictions over time | Sep 01 23:51 |
| schestowitz | No grab support in Windows, still | Sep 01 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Just more traps | Sep 01 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | More competition for XBox360 is a good thing, as fewer defective XBox360 will be sold. | Sep 01 23:51 |
| schestowitz | They get them from pot to meth too crack | Sep 01 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is the crack-cocaine of USes | Sep 01 23:51 |
| schestowitz | OSes | Sep 01 23:51 |
| schestowitz | brb | Sep 01 23:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So here we have China, Japan, and Korea, in effect, ignoring Bing and MS in some way. | Sep 01 23:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I submit that Microsoft stategy has been ineffective in these countries, for the most part. | Sep 01 23:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Except for Japan | Sep 01 23:54 |
| cubevector | ignore bing should be standard policy for everyone | Sep 01 23:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, China anyway | Sep 01 23:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bing is a human rights voilation in the making, should it ever get big. | Sep 01 23:55 |
| cubevector | bing isn't even on my radar | Sep 01 23:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <cubevector> bing isn't even on my radar" Or mine either. But MS constant PR about how good Bing is doing, needs to be taken down a few notches once in awhile. To show only figures in the USA from paid surveys, is not only dishonest of MS, but doesn't show the facts for the whole world. | Sep 01 23:58 |
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