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sebsebsebmost schools in the developed world I should saySep 01 00:00
sebsebseb_Goblin: well acstauly a state in India did just thatSep 01 00:00
sebsebsebopen stuff onlySep 01 00:00
_Goblinbut this is the problem.....Sep 01 00:00
_Goblinnot many want to learn computing.Sep 01 00:00
sebsebseband  I wasn't so sure if it was a good idea, to be doing open stuff only, because of how things are realisticallySep 01 00:00
_GoblinI think those of us who hold it dear as a hobby/job forget that sometimes.Sep 01 00:00
sebsebseb_Goblin: I have a good link for youSep 01 00:00
sebsebseblets see if I can find itSep 01 00:01
_GoblinI hope it doesnt require flashSep 01 00:01
_GoblinAdobe have pulled their 64bit plugin with issues...Sep 01 00:01
_Goblinsebsebseb: I would give the example of this:Sep 01 00:01
_GoblinHow many people here want a lesson on the Romans?Sep 01 00:02
sebsebseb_Goblin: I think teaching computer security,  I mean how to do it properly at a basic level, is more important, than learning how to use Microsoft OfficeSep 01 00:02
sebsebsebpeople can learn office suites later on, if  they need to anywaySep 01 00:02 can't get everyone interested...Sep 01 00:02
sebsebseband are  much more likely to, than computer securitySep 01 00:02
sebsebsebEducational Establishments should teach computer security properly, at a basic level, but noSep 01 00:02
_Goblinjust like I can't give a speach here about the Roman Empire....not many would be interested.Sep 01 00:02
_Goblinsebsebseb: you also forget that school ciricullums cannot be changed at a drop of a hat.....things change so quickly in tech, things may become irrelevantSep 01 00:03
_GoblinI learnt my early computing with pen and paper.Sep 01 00:04
_Goblinpsuedo code and logic circuitsSep 01 00:04
_Goblinnever touched a computer for many years as our school only had a couple.Sep 01 00:04
sebsebseb_Goblin: children will nearly learn anythingSep 01 00:05
sebsebseb,but thenSep 01 00:05
_Goblinbut the grounding I learn then , is as relevant today as it was in the 80'sSep 01 00:05
sebsebsebthat stops as they get older, for example loads of girls will  want to learn computer when youngerSep 01 00:05
sebsebseb,but then are bought up thinking, that computers is more of a male thingSep 01 00:05
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_GoblinOh by the way...just throwing something random in here....Sep 01 00:05
sebsebseband this aritcle mentions, that  briefly, but thats not what it is about mainly, and yeah  check this outSep 01 00:05
sebsebseb 01 00:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Blog of Helios: The Future of IT...Here They Are. .::. Size~: 94.14 KBSep 01 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] On to Manila for the Ayala ICT conference. Virt/Cloud should be the order of the day! #fbSep 01 00:06
sebsebseb_Goblin: society dictates,  stuff,   not many guys are going to learn Health and Beautey for example either, since thats seen as a girl thingSep 01 00:06
_GoblinIts my wifes birthdaySep 01 00:06
sebsebseb_Goblin: you mean it just became?Sep 01 00:06
_GoblinyepSep 01 00:06
sebsebsebok Happy Birthday to herSep 01 00:07
_GoblinIm sure she will thank you....she's currently asleep.....Sep 01 00:07
sebsebseb_Goblin: read that article, make sure you doSep 01 00:07
_GoblinI'll do it now.Sep 01 00:07
sebsebseb_Goblin: also its a son you have isn't it? or was it a duaghter?  well either way you got a kid, read that articleSep 01 00:07
_GoblinA son....Sep 01 00:07
_GoblinDanielSep 01 00:07
_Goblin2yrs 1 monthSep 01 00:08
_Goblinah...Sep 01 00:08
_Goblinthat articleSep 01 00:08
_Goblinyep I'd already seen it...Sep 01 00:08
_Goblinbut again.....not everyone would be that case they were, but I wonder how many of those kids will grow up and either persue a career in computing or indeed a hobby.Sep 01 00:09
_Goblinits like wanting to be an astronaught or fireman when you are a mind changes several times before adulthoodSep 01 00:10
sebsebsebcomputers are very important thoughSep 01 00:10
sebsebsebthey control the modern worldSep 01 00:10
sebsebsebtechnology is important controls the modern worldSep 01 00:10
_Goblinyep and there will always be people interested enough to persue the IT careers.Sep 01 00:11
sebsebseb_Goblin: except for our kind of areaSep 01 00:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] too much paper work today :( ugh.Sep 01 00:11
sebsebsebDesktop Linux :)Sep 01 00:11
_Goblinbut the IT pro's are a small minority compared to the masses which simply use computing as a toolSep 01 00:11
sebsebsebit sadly doesn't just existSep 01 00:11
sebsebseband IT pro doesn't mean much at all reallySep 01 00:11
_Goblinand I think that hits on a reason why Ubuntu has become so popular....Sep 01 00:11
sebsebsebfor example can be one that only really knows Windows, and stil be a moron as  a result :DSep 01 00:11
_Goblinit doesn't bore the end user with endless talk about how linux is merely presents its product and tries to shield the average user from the ego and buzz words of the IT pro's and hobbyists.Sep 01 00:12
_Goblinthats why Ubuntu is a hit with the newbie.Sep 01 00:12
sebsebsebpartlySep 01 00:13
_Goblinits what kept selling Windows for years (that and PR by MS)Sep 01 00:13
sebsebsebI think its mainly since all the hypeSep 01 00:13
sebsebseband jono has a big role in the Ubuntu hype really, since he is after all the community managerSep 01 00:13
_GoblinNah....Canonical can't hype something...Sep 01 00:13
_Goblinin order for Canonical to hype to the masses you would be looking at massive spending (like MS)Sep 01 00:13
_Goblinto my knowledge Ubuntu hasn't marketed directly at any of the mainstream audience.Sep 01 00:14
_GoblinUbuntu has relied on recommendation and word of mouth.Sep 01 00:14
_Goblinand maybe shows the power of honest held belief advocacySep 01 00:15
_Goblinnow Im not saying Ubuntu is perfect, but as Ive said before if I am going to deploy Linux to a user who has no interest in how things work, I'll give my trust to Ubuntu, it hasnt let me down.Sep 01 00:15
_Goblinpersonally I don't have it on my main rig....but then again, I like to "fiddle" and in my experience of Ubuntu deployments there is very little fiddling needed....Sep 01 00:16
_GoblinI wouldn't mind though asking Jono sometime, how Canonical really feels about all the distro's derived from Ubuntu...Sep 01 00:17
_GoblinI love this comment about patent actions:Sep 01 00:20
_Goblin"…an unfortunate trend of people trying to compete in the courtroom instead of the marketplace."Sep 01 00:20
_Goblinhow very trueSep 01 00:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: RT @anjakovacs: At present, 90% of e-waste in India is dealt with by informal sector: 01 00:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: RT @sankarshan: *sigh* same names and possibly same topics - Where are the new ...Sep 01 00:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Press Release: The e-waste industry in India: CSE exposes what lies beneath | Centre for Science and Environment .::. Size~: 28.16 KBSep 01 00:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: National Conference on Free Software and Education .::. Size~: 0.28 KBSep 01 00:21
sebsebseb_Goblin: it has let me downSep 01 00:21
sebsebseb_Goblin: 01 00:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu 10.10 Alpha: Slouching Toward Ubuntu GNOME — .::. Size~: 69.74 KBSep 01 00:21
sebsebseb_Goblin: as a result sucky down steame changes to GnomeSep 01 00:22
sebsebseband suchSep 01 00:22
sebsebsebhowever I guess next year, won't matter that much anymore, since Gnome 3Sep 01 00:22
_Goblinsebsebseb: I can only speak for myself....Sep 01 00:23
sebsebseb_Goblin: also I kept it on the family computerSep 01 00:23
sebsebseband it let me downSep 01 00:23
_Goblinsebsebseb: Ive said before, that I could never warm to KDESep 01 00:23
sebsebsebit refused to let anyone log inSep 01 00:23
sebsebsebthat was an upgrade form 9.10Sep 01 00:23
sebsebsebto 10.04Sep 01 00:23
sebsebsebthe 9.10 install had started off as a clean install, and then programs added to itSep 01 00:23
_Goblinbut then I had horrible problems with Mandriva, yet many people say its one of the best distro'sSep 01 00:23
sebsebseb_Goblin: then of course the Plymouth issues, making boot up and shut down, horribleSep 01 00:24
sebsebseb_Goblin: it is one of the best distros, altough  it does have a language issueSep 01 00:24
_Goblinbut every single platform has "horror stories"Sep 01 00:24
sebsebseblocalization issueSep 01 00:24
_GoblinI refuse to even write about Mandriva.Sep 01 00:24
_GoblinI had horrible issue....Sep 01 00:24
sebsebseb_Goblin: there are certain people in the Ubuntu community, who aren't that nice at all, when it comes to other distorsSep 01 00:25
_Goblinit was easier (no joke) to get a Gentoo rig up and running that the mandriva experience I had.Sep 01 00:25
sebsebseb_Goblin: another reason I don't like Ubuntu muchSep 01 00:25
_Goblinyou should try hanging out in the Gentoo forumsSep 01 00:25
_Goblinand you can't judge a platform by its forum.Sep 01 00:25
_GoblinI think that goes for any piece of software.Sep 01 00:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Russian political system volatile 01 00:26
sebsebseb_Goblin: and there is all this ignorance, that Ubuntu is the best, when no a lot of the time it really isn'tSep 01 00:26
sebsebseb_Goblin: hence why for example, wireless that didn't just work in Ubuntu,  probably does in PC Linux OS, for exampleSep 01 00:26
_Goblinbut if they are happy with it, it is the best (for them)Sep 01 00:26
sebsebseb_Goblin: how can it be, when they haven't tried others?Sep 01 00:26
_Goblinpeople are not happy with Microsoft products, but they don't know about choice.Sep 01 00:26
sebsebsebmost Ubuntu users don't know about Desktop Linux choice eitherSep 01 00:27
sebsebsebhence thinking Ubuntu is so great, without trying others properlySep 01 00:27
sebsebsebor at allSep 01 00:27
_Goblinsebsebseb: as I say, if Ubuntu performs for them there is no problemsSep 01 00:27
*sebsebseb used to be ignorant as well, thinking Ubuntu was basically the best distro at the tiemSep 01 00:27
sebsebsebeven thoughSep 01 00:27
sebsebsebI mean for average computer users, and even though, I had treid distros such as Fedora Core 2 and 4 in the pastSep 01 00:28
_Goblinsebsebseb: and I'd suggest that every ubuntu user is/was a windows user....they do know about choices...Sep 01 00:28
_Goblinsebsebseb: the mere act of going to Linux is a choice.Sep 01 00:28
sebsebseb_Goblin: no quite a lot of Ubuntu users, don't know know what a distro isSep 01 00:28
sebsebseband no its not choice alwaysSep 01 00:28
sebsebsebsince someone else may have put the OS on for someone, and they never really choosed it them selvesSep 01 00:28
_Goblinsebsebseb: people are forced to use Ubuntu...? With OEM?Sep 01 00:28
_Goblinsebsebseb: I think you would be talking about a very small number of cases...Sep 01 00:29
_Goblinand I'd suggest anyone who was ignorant of what a "distro" was, would not be looking for change anyway (as long as their software worked for them)Sep 01 00:29
*sebsebseb waits for the 10.10 joke releaseSep 01 00:29
sebsebsebwell it is reallySep 01 00:29
sebsebsebsince the netbook edition will be much better than the desktop, it seemsSep 01 00:29
sebsebsebaltough I haven't tried Unity just yetSep 01 00:29
sebsebseband yeah most users will be using the desktop  version, not the netbookSep 01 00:30
_Goblinbut I still can't get what peoples problem with Ubuntu is.  If it works for an end user and that end user is happy, whats the problem?Sep 01 00:30
_Goblinif it doesn't work, they can either try to fix it or move on.Sep 01 00:30
sebsebseb_Goblin: peoples problem with Ubuntu here's one exampleSep 01 00:30
sebsebseb_Goblin: 01 00:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu 10.10 Alpha: Slouching Toward Ubuntu GNOME — .::. Size~: 69.74 KBSep 01 00:30
sebsebsebhowever I also have another lets see if I  can find thatSep 01 00:30
_Goblinthen they can move on.Sep 01 00:30
_Goblinthere's no lockin.Sep 01 00:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 31/8/2010: !KDE 4.5.1, !Linux 2.6.36 RC3, #ACTA Threat Looming !techrights #roundupSep 01 00:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 31/8/2010: KDE 4.5.1, Linux 2.6.36 RC3, ACTA Threat Looming | Techrights .::. Size~: 144.79 KBSep 01 00:31
_GoblinCanonical presents its product...theres no agressive marketing (like there is with MS)Sep 01 00:31
_Goblinso whats the issue?Sep 01 00:31
_GoblinWhy are the same people complaining about Ubuntu, not moaning about Elive?Sep 01 00:32
gnufreexWhat's Elive?Sep 01 00:33
sebsebseb_Goblin: since Ubuntu has annoyed a lot of expereinced usersSep 01 00:33
_GoblinElive - the distro that doesn't make it clear that to use it properly you have to part with cash...Sep 01 00:33
sebsebseb_Goblin: and people in the wider Linux communitySep 01 00:33
sebsebseb_Goblin: can use other distros for EnlightmentSep 01 00:33
_Goblinsebsebseb: but why are those experienced users caring?Sep 01 00:33
sebsebseb_Goblin: these are good questions for, I know who, but no reply from him yetSep 01 00:33
_GoblinIm sorry but I'd say if an "experienced" user is fixating on why Ubuntu is no good, then they are not so experienced...Sep 01 00:34
sebsebsebpeople don't want a sucky distro to go main streameSep 01 00:34
sebsebseband stuff like thatSep 01 00:34
sebsebsebI guessSep 01 00:34
_GoblinLinux is about choice.....choice from MS, choice in your Linux flavor.Sep 01 00:34
sebsebsebpeople want a good distro to be number one on distrowatchSep 01 00:34
sebsebsebsadly Ubuntu is no longer a properly good distroSep 01 00:34
_Goblinbut seb....what is so sucky about Ubuntu.Sep 01 00:34
_Goblin?Sep 01 00:35
sebsebsebpeople don't want a distro, to mess around to much,  with Gnome, like Ubuntu have been doingSep 01 00:35
_Goblinok, give one negative about Ubuntu (please avoid the Mono issue for the time being)Sep 01 00:35
sebsebsebpeopel don't want Ubuntu to fork Gnome or sort of do, and thats what they are doingSep 01 00:35
_Goblinbut thats fine....Sep 01 00:36
sebsebseb_Goblin: the way they change Gnome,  be that the theme, but also the down streame changes to Gnome that they have doneSep 01 00:36
_Goblintheres always a choice...Sep 01 00:36
sebsebsebthe way they try and force money making services on to peopleSep 01 00:36
sebsebsebUbuntu One for exampleSep 01 00:36
sebsebsebin the default installSep 01 00:36
sebsebsebthe music store for that matter as wellSep 01 00:36
_Goblinheres my theory on whats happening with people who oppose Ubuntu (in some cases)Sep 01 00:36
_Goblin1. They get into Linux with Ubuntu and are well pleased with themselves....feel l33t....Sep 01 00:37
_Goblin2. They then see other new users starting with Ubuntu and feel themselves better...Sep 01 00:37
_Goblin3. Ego comes into play and elitism (in their own restricted way)Sep 01 00:37
sebsebseb_Goblin: The fan boys  and how they are, thats something else that is wrong when it comes to Ubuntu,  I mean take for example, and most of the people who comment loads, and what they saySep 01 00:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 85.33 KBSep 01 00:38
_GoblinI sometimes think there are a group of people who don't want new users coming to Linux because they like the idea of being "l33t"Sep 01 00:38
sebsebseb_Goblin: I want new users coming to Linux, and loads of them,  but to a distro, that doesn't have a load of features that piss me offSep 01 00:38
_Goblinwe should be pleased people are moving to Linux regardless of which distro they choose.Sep 01 00:38
sebsebseb_Goblin: well Ubuntu was that distro before 10.04,  and the annoying me, started with 9.04 and 9.10, but not that badSep 01 00:39
_Goblinsebsebseb: but those features might not annoy themSep 01 00:39
sebsebseb_Goblin: those features also aren't upstream GnomeSep 01 00:39
sebsebseb_Goblin: and so seen as a bad thing, by most people in the wider Linux community, that know about this stuffSep 01 00:39
_Goblinsebsebseb: Im sure we would agree on many annoyances with any distro but we cannot assume that everyone will share our views.Sep 01 00:39
_GoblinI don't like KDE....Sep 01 00:39
_GoblinI think it looks cheapSep 01 00:40
_Goblinbut I don't dismiss other peoples love of it.Sep 01 00:40
Aondothe changes ubuntu has done to gnome.. is it a lot?Sep 01 00:40
sebsebsebAondo: this is only the startSep 01 00:40
sebsebsebAondo: much more is comingSep 01 00:40
Aondolike the music menu thing?Sep 01 00:40
_GoblinAondo: I don't think it matters....Its all just about another alternative for the end user.Sep 01 00:40
sebsebsebAondo: the sound menu, is the onlySep 01 00:40
_Goblinand I don't care what people think....I personally think Ubuntu One is an excellent service.Sep 01 00:41
sebsebsebAondo: downstreame Ubuntu change, that I seem to be 100% ok withSep 01 00:41
sebsebsebto GnomeSep 01 00:41
sebsebsebI think sound menu thats a nice ideaSep 01 00:41
sebsebseband could be usefulSep 01 00:41
sebsebsebAondo: the envelope as in indicator applet, looks like a joke on the panelSep 01 00:41
sebsebseband what it does, is quite pointless reallySep 01 00:41
sebsebsebthe built in social features, screw thatSep 01 00:42
Aondoany idea outside upstream is good tho, isnt that what free software is about? :) if upstream want the changes distroes makes, they can pick whereever they wantSep 01 00:42
_GoblinAsk yourself this....If Ubuntu has so many problems, why are so many distro's derived from it?Sep 01 00:42
sebsebsebnot sure if Gwibber started working with Facebook again, by the waySep 01 00:42
sebsebsebhowever yeah social features areSep 01 00:42
sebsebsebuseful for main strame, but they have done it in such a sucky waySep 01 00:42
sebsebsebwhat really annoys me though about these recent changes, is that two features that I like, are gone, when junk is enabledSep 01 00:42
sebsebsebfor example the nice automatic shut down feature, instead lame, do you really want to shut down or re start messages.Sep 01 00:43
Aondoyou usually dont code a feature, but wait to use it before it is in upstream.Sep 01 00:43
sebsebseband with 9.04 it really got at me when shut down and log out got moved to the top right,  instead of system menu with the nice Gnome icons,  however I then also wanted both features, but coudn't just do that, and I also later found out, that Gnome 3 will have on the top right as wellSep 01 00:43
sebsebseb_Goblin: acstauly   quite a lot of the distros that were based on Ubuntu no longer areSep 01 00:44
sebsebseb_Goblin: also Mint are working on a Debian based version as wellSep 01 00:44
Aondoi agree on one thing tho, about the music store, where they're not installing mp3 encoder by befault, but you still need it for their store :PSep 01 00:44
sebsebsebAondo: well yes, butSep 01 00:44
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sebsebsebAondo: the 10.10 installer will ask people if they want to install the codecSep 01 00:44
sebsebsebnice bruce89 joined :)Sep 01 00:44
_Goblinits not there yet and mint takes the number 3 slot on distro watch, whilst ubuntu holds 1Sep 01 00:45
sebsebseb_Goblin: if you want to ask what is wrong with Ubuntu questions,  bruce89 is a good person to askSep 01 00:45
_Goblinthe point Im making, is that Ive never had an issue at all with any Ubuntu deployment...if the end-user is happy, then Im happy.Sep 01 00:45
_Goblinremember I am deploying Linux to my friends and family....I don't want to give them any old rubbish.Sep 01 00:46
sebsebseb_Goblin: I don't trust UbuntuSep 01 00:46
bruce89I'm not here to moan, no matter what sebsebseb may have saiSep 01 00:46
sebsebseb_Goblin: that much anymore, when it comes to deploying it to non technical usersSep 01 00:46
sebsebseb_Goblin: I would trust a relible distro such as Mandriva or PC Linux OS, much more, these daysSep 01 00:46
_Goblinand I stand by the comment I made that if I am putting my name to a new deployment..I would rather do it with Ubuntu.Sep 01 00:46
sebsebseb_Goblin: thats like people wanting  to give someone Windows on a computer, because its most used on computersSep 01 00:47
sebsebseb_Goblin: doesn't mean its the best optionSep 01 00:47
_Goblinsebsebseb: and this is my point...I write many Linux reviews....I would never trust Mandriva after my experience...its the point I make...personal choice.Sep 01 00:47
sebsebseb_Goblin: and I don't trust Ubuntu properly when it comes to wirelessSep 01 00:47
sebsebseb_Goblin: or ATI cardsSep 01 00:47
bruce89has sebsebseb made a coherent point yet?Sep 01 00:47
_Goblinsebsebseb: re Windows: not at allSep 01 00:47
sebsebsebafter my  #ubuntu and such support experienceSep 01 00:47
_Goblinsebsebseb: Windows is inherantly full of problems.Sep 01 00:48
_Goblinhowever sebsebseb....If you wanting to give someone a system that played nicely with a O2 pay as you go dongle...what would you recommend?Sep 01 00:48
sebsebseb_Goblin: and I know from my experience of helping people out that,  a wireless that didn't just work in Ubuntu, is more liekly to  just work in Mandriva, but much more likely to work with PC LInux OSSep 01 00:48
_Goblinnever had any issue with wireless....40+ deployments to date.Sep 01 00:49
sebsebseb_Goblin: also  PC Linux OS has rather good hardware support, it seems, from what people have saidSep 01 00:49
sebsebseb_Goblin: hang out in #ubuntu long enough,  these are the three main issues, wireless, ATI, and soundSep 01 00:49
_GoblinI'm sure it has...If I have problems with Ubuntu and hardware, I'd look elsewhere....I havent..Sep 01 00:49
_Goblinsebsebseb: Im not disputing people have issues....Ubuntu like any OS will have problems.....Sep 01 00:50
sebsebsebUbuntu is not seen as good enough by most usersSep 01 00:50
sebsebsebhence why they sill use WindowsSep 01 00:50
sebsebsebas wellSep 01 00:50
_Goblinsebsebseb: but for ubuntu to retain such mass popularity for so long, they have to be doing something right.Sep 01 00:50
bruce89I still do sebsebsebSep 01 00:50
sebsebsebbruce89: yep same here sometimes, because of appsSep 01 00:50
bruce89does that mean I'm in some way evil?Sep 01 00:50
sebsebsebwell I got to use WIndows for that DVD ROM I want to use, realy it seems, since Wine won't cut itSep 01 00:51
_Goblinand bruce is a good example....He is aware of choice and chooses Windows....the reason (I hope) we are all here, is to advocate choice...the best choice for the end-user....Sep 01 00:51
sebsebseb_Goblin: anyway bruce89 dislikes Ubuntu much more than me,  he also educated me a bit when it came to upstream Gnome and such, which has been a blessing and a curseSep 01 00:51
bruce89don't tar me with brushesSep 01 00:52
sebsebseb_Goblin: I mean if I was still quite ignorant, I would probably think Ubuntu was quite great still, or not,  since they did after all move shut down and log out from system menu, to the right, which really got at me, beforeSep 01 00:52
bruce89I'll do that myself if I wishSep 01 00:52
sebsebsebbruce89: what does that mean?Sep 01 00:52
bruce89I'll speak for myselfSep 01 00:52
sebsebseb_Goblin: no bruce89 mainly chooses non Ubuntu based distros, and he can tell you this him selfSep 01 00:52
_GoblinI thought he said he used Windows too? as per the above the comment....sorry Bruce rude of choose Windows as well as Linux?Sep 01 00:53
sebsebseb_Goblin: however yeah the average computer user, will just use whatever OS is given to them, as long as they can do their computer tasks with itSep 01 00:53
bruce89_Goblin: not for work as it wereSep 01 00:53
sebsebseb_Goblin: he plays games sometimes on WindowsSep 01 00:54
_GoblinI think it matters not what people choose, if they do it on the basis of whats best for them....I could care less if a million people use my distro or if Im the only does what I want.Sep 01 00:54
sebsebseband as far as I know,  games that can run on a Linux distro really, but a bigger monitor for the WIndows computerSep 01 00:54
sebsebseb_Goblin: most computer users don't choiceSep 01 00:54
schestowitz[00:54] <sebsebseb> _Goblin: he plays games sometimes on Windows   - Windows too is a gameSep 01 00:54
sebsebsebthe OS or Office SuiteSep 01 00:54
_GoblinIf I want to use a pay as you go broadband dongle, I have to use Windows....Sep 01 00:55
_Goblinluckly I don't...Sep 01 00:55
sebsebseb_Goblin: they just use what is given to them, be that an OEM, or some computer person that they know, who set up the computer they useSep 01 00:55
bruce89_Goblin: surely notSep 01 00:55
bruce89all the work in NetworkManager and so on should help at leastSep 01 00:55
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_Goblinbruce89: I messed with that dongle on a Linux netbook for hours...Sep 01 00:55
_Goblinno over....Sep 01 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rofrol/@rofrol] @rofrol Apple MacBook Pro 13,3" Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz/4GB/250GB/GEFORCE 320M 3877PLN netto 01 00:56
_Goblinits all to do with the "timer" firmwareSep 01 00:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Apple, MacBook Pro 13' Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz/4GB/250GB/GEFORCE 320M /SD- do wyczerpania  .::. Size~: 87.36 KBSep 01 00:56
Aondothen wrong dongle :)Sep 01 00:56
_GoblinyepSep 01 00:56
bruce89I can assume some won't workSep 01 00:56
sebsebsebschestowitz: can't just find the link now, but I guess you will know what I meanSep 01 00:56
sebsebsebschestowitz: uhmmSep 01 00:56
bruce89it'll improvev over tmeSep 01 00:56
sebsebsebschestowitz: there was a good article about how, Linux distros aren't really as free as people would thinkSep 01 00:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: since how GCC was madeSep 01 00:57
sebsebsebor something like that, and how some old Sun code was used,  that wasn't  as free as later lisensesSep 01 00:57
cubevectorit's a BS argumentSep 01 00:57
_GoblinI think for the majority of users, how free or closed something is, is of no interest....(and Im talking average mainstream computer user)Sep 01 00:57
cubevectorSun willingly let everyone use that codeSep 01 00:58
bruce89anyway, it's relicenced in any case nowSep 01 00:58
cubevectorit was pre-GPL era stuffSep 01 00:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: 01 00:59
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cubevectorso people got all anxious about itSep 01 00:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: and according to the comment can read more about it, some where else, as wellSep 01 00:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: so when you asked me not that long ago, if I had read any interesting news,  or had any,  well yeah, that ^Sep 01 01:00
cubevectorI definitely do care about openessSep 01 01:00
gnufreexsebsebseb: It was Sun RPC in GNU C library (glibc). Sun posted it on USENET and Rolan McGrath picked it up when he wrote glibc.Sep 01 01:01
cubevectorhow can you add features or fix bugs to closed source?Sep 01 01:01
bruce89depends where you areSep 01 01:02
gnufreexsebsebseb: But only restriction was thay you can't use code "as is"Sep 01 01:02
gnufreexYou have to put it in larger work.Sep 01 01:02
gnufreexHence, puting it in glibc did the trickSep 01 01:03
cubevectorrt2 has some simple range bugsSep 01 01:03
cubevectorI can't do anything about it... closed sourceSep 01 01:03
schestowitz"The OAuth trait provides OAuth authentication rather than the default Basic Authentication for Twitter API method calls. See the "Authentication" section and Net::Twitter::Role::OAuth for full documentation."Sep 01 01:04
sebsebsebcubevector: also they coudn't just find the old code or somethingSep 01 01:07
sebsebsebcubevector: so yep open sourcedSep 01 01:07
cubevectorsometimes, not oftenSep 01 01:08
cubevectornothing from Loki was open source as far as I knowSep 01 01:08
cubevectornot any games anywaySep 01 01:09
cubevectoryou know it's amazing how cool this p3 isSep 01 01:15
cubevector38.2 C under 100% loadSep 01 01:15
cubevectorold technology but... still usefulSep 01 01:16
cubevectorI can't think of any other cpu that coolSep 01 01:18
cubevectorexcept even older cpusSep 01 01:18
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bruce89wooSep 01 01:18
cubevectoris that in fedora 14?Sep 01 01:19
gnufreexI think KSPILCE is standalone techSep 01 01:20
gnufreexIt is not in FedoraSep 01 01:20
gnufreexI will try it tomorow in Fredora 13Sep 01 01:20
bruce89it is, rawhide is F15 anywaySep 01 01:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] BBCClick is "mostly" funded by BBC Worldwide...where does the rest of the funding come from? A question which should be asked?Sep 01 01:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Liberal guilt 01 01:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Even after a reinstall, #Spaz sometimes freezes. If I can kill Spaz, I sometimes avoid having to reboot my !pre. #webos #PalmPreSep 01 01:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] i love it when people request features we've already implemented. :)Sep 01 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Wired: Second Newspaper Chain Joins Righthaven Copyright Trolling Operation 01 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Classic short video from #ACLU on the problems with National ID numbers: 01 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Day 22 of !Ramadhan.Sep 01 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Reading, Writing, and RFID Chips: A Scary Back-to-School Future in California 01 02:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Sent my © assignment agreement back to !FSF today.Sep 01 02:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Commerce Secretary parrots RIAA line, doesn't understand copyright's purpose: 01 03:11
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TheMadHatterEvening.Sep 01 03:25
TheMadHatterGot some interesting links about the HuffnPuff PostSep 01 03:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Went to an Open Source meeting. Learned about Arch. But, it failed to impress(not just me, but the whole audience) Any1 can speak about it?Sep 01 04:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @anima109 RT @danie10: ♺ @jeanaustinr: Computers are like air conditioners -- they stop working properly if you open Windows. #Linux ...Sep 01 06:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] My friend Sheila's photoblog (great photographer) was featured yesterday on Wordpress Freshly Pressed - cool photo 01 06:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I'm humming "96 Tears". Have been all day.Sep 01 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Final score: Philadelphia Phillies 8, Los Angeles #Dodgers 4. #LABaseballSep 01 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Final score: Los Angeles #Angels 1, Seattle Mariners 3. #LABaseballSep 01 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ksplice Now Free for !Fedora Users #redhat !linux #kernelSep 01 06:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The morning after #oauth at Twitter; what a catastrophe. still seems to require some patch, maybe hacking will sort it outSep 01 07:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Bears repeating: 01 07:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Florian Promotes MPEG-LA at the Expense of Free Software, Defends Intellectual Monopolies Too #swpatsSep 01 07:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Cancer really is a total, unparalleled, motherfucker. It took my friend, Ian away from us. :-(Sep 01 07:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Correcting Common Case of Misreporting: #Novell is Not an Open Source Company #deceptionSep 01 08:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @schestowitz: #Microsoft Florian Promotes MPEG-LA at the Expense of Free Software, Defends Intellectual Monopolies Too 01 08:01
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schestowitzMinceR: morningSep 01 08:09
schestowitzI need a small favour, are you around?Sep 01 08:09
MinceRhaySep 01 08:11
MinceRi'm preparing to leave for workSep 01 08:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Twitter switching to #oauth made a lot of clients #fail, incl. Pino on Fedora. Twitter, you #fail.Sep 01 08:11
schestowitz"Here is an excerpt from an invitation for a seminar by Microsoft in Budapest/Hungary on 8.30.2010."Sep 01 08:11
schestowitzDo you know anything about it?Sep 01 08:11
schestowitzLike conf name?Sep 01 08:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @jwildeboer glad to hear it's not just me. And for the past week+ availability of old-style auth was also limited. Real nuisance.Sep 01 08:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Software Patents and Microsoft Hurt #Korea as Country Tries to Escape #Microsoft Monopoly and Market Abuses #swpatsSep 01 08:26
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nenolodoh come onSep 01 08:32
nenolodof course microsoft is going to talk about ways to sell people on their shit over openofficeSep 01 08:33
nenolodit's called capitalismSep 01 08:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @eff Reading, Writing, and RFID Chips: A Scary Back-to-School Future in California 01 08:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] ... and we all know that data, once collected, is going to be used for purposes beyond its original scope. Best not to collect it at all.Sep 01 08:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft is Said to Have Had an Anti- #OpenOffice .org Seminar on Monday #oracle !gnu !linuxSep 01 08:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] After Patent Thickets now to copyright thickets with project Harmony? @webminks take at 01 08:46
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oiaohmnenolod: there is selling and there is being microsoft claiming features that the product does not really have.Sep 01 08:55
oiaohmnenolod:  I love that MS claims that MS Office at times is OOXML compadible when MS Office still does not pass MS own test cases for the standard.Sep 01 08:57
oiaohmSame goes for MS highly suspect ODF support.Sep 01 08:57
oiaohmIe capitalism does not require being lieing pricks.  nenolodSep 01 08:59
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nenolodoiaohm: wouldn't know.  i just pretend windows does not exist.Sep 01 09:15
oiaohmSorry nenolodSep 01 09:16
oiaohmI do window support a lot that is the reason why I hate it.  nenolodSep 01 09:16
nenolodthat said, most "free software" is of subpar qualitySep 01 09:16
oiaohmNot just free software is subpar.Sep 01 09:17
oiaohmAt least with free software I don't have to wait 10 years for security flaws I report to be fixed nenolodSep 01 09:17
nenolodno, but i think improving quality is more important than worrying about what a company that will not be relevant 10 years from now is doingSep 01 09:17
nenolodmicrosoft is busy running themselves into the ground with windows phone 7Sep 01 09:18
oiaohmAll software is sub par.Sep 01 09:18
oiaohmUsed dominate.Sep 01 09:18
oiaohmJust in different ways.Sep 01 09:18
nenolodthe fact is mobile is where the real battle is nowSep 01 09:18
oiaohmMobile will bring the Linux desktop up a level as well.Sep 01 09:18
nenolodit willSep 01 09:19
oiaohmBut we have to remember how MS got where they did.Sep 01 09:19
oiaohmBy creating standards then being incompadible with them.Sep 01 09:19
nenolodMS got where they did by buying things and repurposing themSep 01 09:19
nenolodcase in point: DOSSep 01 09:19
oiaohmPeople forget Windows 3.11 was a offical standard.Sep 01 09:19
nenolodDOS is what made MS.Sep 01 09:19
nenolodWindows is a drop in the bucket compared to what they made on DOS.Sep 01 09:20
oiaohmBut windows 95 is not.Sep 01 09:20
oiaohmDos had full released specs and clones.Sep 01 09:20
oiaohmWindows was used to lock clones of dos out.Sep 01 09:20
nenolodyes, but you should keep in mind that almost all of the money microsoft has made, even to this day, was off DOS.Sep 01 09:20
oiaohmNoSep 01 09:20
nenolodnot reallySep 01 09:21
oiaohmDOS income has been passed by MS Office quite a few years back.Sep 01 09:21
nenolodyes, but DOS is what made microsoft what it isSep 01 09:21
oiaohmBasic made MS what they are.Sep 01 09:22
oiaohmWithout Basic they would not have had the funds to get QDOS that become DOSSep 01 09:22
nenolodwell, back in the BASIC days, they were still respectableSep 01 09:22
nenolodreally microsoft didn't become totally offensive until about Windows 98Sep 01 09:22
oiaohmWrongSep 01 09:22
oiaohmOffensive started at Windows 95Sep 01 09:23
oiaohmBut people did not want to believe it was happening.Sep 01 09:23
nenolodi supposeSep 01 09:23
nenolodbut i used amiga back then, infact, i used amiga until about 2002Sep 01 09:23
nenolodthen i finally had to come to the conclusion that amiga was hopeless ;)Sep 01 09:23
oiaohmalso it partly started with the RTF standard between office suites before that.Sep 01 09:23
oiaohmNote RTF is a MS standard.Sep 01 09:23
oiaohmThat MS created to unify Office formats.Sep 01 09:24
oiaohmThat MS then extented to be incompadible with everyone else implementing it.Sep 01 09:24
oiaohmNote non documented extending.Sep 01 09:24
nenolodi've never really used any microsoft products so i don't really careSep 01 09:25
oiaohmRTF was taken up by goverments.Sep 01 09:25
oiaohmThat in the end lead to MS domination in Office suitesSep 01 09:25
oiaohmThe .doc bit came latter after MS had already got there office suite everywhere.Sep 01 09:26
oiaohmMS also tried doing the same thing with HTML.Sep 01 09:26
nenolodyes, i rememberSep 01 09:26
nenolod<marquee> and suchSep 01 09:26
oiaohmMicrosoft networking protocals are not thiers either.Sep 01 09:26
oiaohmInstead they are SUN protocals that MS extentend with undocumented parts.Sep 01 09:26
oiaohmOnce you take away everything MS has Nicked over the years they is not much left.Sep 01 09:27
nenolodmy point is justSep 01 09:29
nenolodmicrosoft isn't going to be relevant in 202Sep 01 09:29
oiaohmAll this protocal and format stealling has landed MS repeatly. before anti-trust courts.Sep 01 09:29
nenolod0Sep 01 09:29
nenolodthey're dyingSep 01 09:29
nenolodlike seriouslySep 01 09:29
nenolodthe desktop OS war is irrelevant, since the desktop OS just serves to get you to facebook, etc nowSep 01 09:30
nenolodit's mobile where they have to save themselvesSep 01 09:30
oiaohmRemember creature dieing can be the most dangousSep 01 09:30
nenolodand windows phone 7 will be a massive failureSep 01 09:30
oiaohmMore crippled MS gets the more likely they will try to break protocals and fileformats.Sep 01 09:30
oiaohmAs well as possible attempt to use patents.Sep 01 09:31
oiaohmBasically they have to be watched carefully.Sep 01 09:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] OATH, OAUTH, OpenID - this is all getting too complicated. We need simple identification for the future.Sep 01 09:31
oiaohmIts not like they have not tried to break ODF already.  nenolodSep 01 09:33
oiaohmIe using OOXML excel formulars in a ODF file.  No where near the offical path ODF was going.Sep 01 09:34
oiaohmBy the way MS has been very stealth at using there patents.  Sell patents to a patent pools that on sell them to trolls.   Has been there past method.  But since OIN has started buying up those patents we now see ex staff Paul attacking lots of companies.Sep 01 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apple 's Co-founder Steve Wozniak a Patent Trolls' Apologist, Apple is Patenting #DRM Ideas 01 09:36
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oiaohmYes  MS is already attacking with patents and has for many years.Sep 01 09:36
schestowitz " I promote #OpenOffice, but it is in the nature of any commercial institution to fight against competition, whatever size/power"Sep 01 09:39
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schestowitzDoesn't OOo run on WIndows? :-)Sep 01 09:39
schestowitz[08:33] <nenolod> of course microsoft is going to talk about ways to sell people on their shit over openofficeSep 01 09:40
schestowitzYes, but we need to point this outSep 01 09:40
schestowitzTO show Microsoft is not playing nice, it goes against s/w which runs on WindowsSep 01 09:40
schestowitzIt also derails smaller competition, there are antitrust laws against thatSep 01 09:40
schestowitzOOo uses standardsSep 01 09:41
schestowitzMicrosoft can't even adhere to standards, so that's differentSep 01 09:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Does any country have a justice system that's more of a joke than Iran? 01 09:41
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schestowitz "I would want to verify the Anti-OpenOffice story if I were you. The basis of your story is just a comment under the article!"Sep 01 09:43
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schestowitzI am still trying to verify thisSep 01 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] She will be the most hated girl on the web: #viral with #cruelty always works as it seems.Sep 01 09:46
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schestowitzCompetitionSep 01 10:06
oiaohmYou saw my comment about Paul using patents now being interesting when you consider MS use to sell there patents off to patent pools that on sell to trolls.  Since OIN started buying them up now Pual attacks.Sep 01 10:07
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oiaohm  Interesting mozilla develop tracking.Sep 01 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Lieber Spiegel, Frankfurter Sonntagszeitung - wie wäre es mit einer Klarstellung? Von wegen Löschen geht nicht ...Sep 01 10:11
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schestowitzMicrosoft Florian: "The Software Freedom Law Center expands to India but turns blind eye to some software patent activity at home #SptC #selectivelyfree"Sep 01 10:27
schestowitzMicrosoft Florian: "Moglen told members of the FOSS community that Oracle should own Sun's patents because *others* might use them against FOSS #SPtC"Sep 01 10:27
schestowitzRemember he calls Moglen a "communist"Sep 01 10:27
schestowitzMicrosoft Florian: "The best part about India for Eben Moglen may be that there are no FAT patents that he can #fail to invalidate. #SPtC #selectivelyfree"Sep 01 10:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rcweir: Inside HU Parliament waiting for #OOoCon opening ceremonies to start. >Microsoft there too?Sep 01 10:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Torvalds Causes Mob Scene at #LinuxCon Brazil !linuxSep 01 11:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Telecoms Force Customers to Pay for Nothing This is amazing. What's next? Paying Google to *not* photograph your house?Sep 01 11:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Redstar Starts Pre-Orders for Shogo Linux-Powered Tablet [The Shogo !Linux Powered Tablet is Available] 01 11:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Judge denies ban on JooJoo, TechCrunch still likely to win The dispute still goes onSep 01 12:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Android Apps Mostly Free, iPhone Apps Mostly Paid Another reason to choose Linux, not hype*Sep 01 12:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Bing on Android – Microsoft rides the coat tails of Android again? !bing !android !google !windows7 !mvp !mvpbuzzSep 01 12:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Increased Clientele for #RedHat Hats off to !gnu !linuxSep 01 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Lets see if BBCClick is going to answer the funding question Ive put to them.Sep 01 12:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] India’s !linux based $35 PC could chew Apple to a core 01 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: For people who are ready to contribute but do not know where to start 01 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] So Apple’s live streaming to everyone tomorrow…except #Windows and !Linux users. #apple #snobSep 01 12:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes where does it say there are private hands there?Sep 01 12:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes if MSBBC has private companies fund its shows, then why collect TV licence 'tax'? They could go private like Daily Mail & FoxSep 01 12:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Privately-funded #MSBBC shows teach taxpayers (who pay their bonuses) that "Windows" and "computer" are synonymous, e.g. "computer virus"Sep 01 12:41
oiaohmIntersting that the trend of open source platforms vs closed source platforms still keeps on happening with iphones and androidSep 01 12:52
schestowitzyes, lucrative marketSep 01 12:53
schestowitzHigh margins, telecom subsidy, more users in long term, app markets...Sep 01 12:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz I loved the careful wording of "mostly funded" will be interesting to see if/when they respond...Sep 01 13:01
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schestowitz_Goblin: that's no big dealSep 01 13:07
schestowitzSo I think cable companies might pay themSep 01 13:07
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_Goblinschestowitz: Maybe not, I just want to know where the "other" funding comes from.Sep 01 13:09
_Goblinschestowitz: since they are not allowed to advertise products on the BBC, I wonder how revenue is raised if not just from the BBC...I think its a question that needs to be asked...whatever the answer.Sep 01 13:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Going to read the Tony Blair book....let's see what he has to say for himself.....I would imagine theres not an apology in sight...Sep 01 13:11
_Goblinschestowitz: they claim the license payer is not funding click....they claim BBCworldwide who would provide the rest....and why?Sep 01 13:11
schestowitzCable companiesSep 01 13:12
schestowitzTo show this programme overseas maybeSep 01 13:12
_Goblinpossibly...Sep 01 13:13
_Goblinit would be nice to know though for sure.Sep 01 13:13
_Goblinwhat if a hardware or software manufacturer (and any not just MS) are helping fund....what would that say about Click..?  Thats why I asked the question....Sep 01 13:14
_Goblinto me honest tech reporting cannot be done if your point of view is being funded by the very material you cover.Sep 01 13:14
_Goblinmagazines are open about it and we take that in consideration when reading their material....BBCclick should be too.Sep 01 13:15
_Goblinif I don't ask, I won't know......whatever the answer, I'll make sure I mention it.Sep 01 13:16
schestowitz " The following were the top stories in The New York Times business pages on Monday. Reuters has not verified these stories and does not vouch for their accuracy."Sep 01 13:22
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schestowitzAT least they try to get these rightSep 01 13:22
schestowitz_Goblin: in magazine you can check who advertisesSep 01 13:23
schestowitzIt's in the pagesSep 01 13:23
schestowitzThere are also some webzines that are in Microsoft's pocket.... 1105 Media for exampleSep 01 13:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Euronet migrates from #Microsoft #Windows to #RedHat Enterprise Virtualization and Red Hat Enterprise !Linux 01 13:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Media Post takes new "New York Times" piece (of *) and warps headline to say "Oracle's Suit Against Google Threatens Open Source Movement"Sep 01 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Porn-browsing Oz minister quits - a tiny hint of why the Australia's censorship won't work #au #censorshipSep 01 13:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Should Open Source Communities Avoid Contributor Agreements? - picking up on some themes I've been raising tooSep 01 13:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Labour was wrong to pass the freedom of information act: Tony Blair - says it all, really #freedom #blairSep 01 13:51
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schestowitz"Blair's memoir contains a passionate defence of the war in Iraq and of New Labour's public service and welfare reform plans, which the former prime minister believes his successor abandoned."Sep 01 13:52
schestowitz_Goblin: you bought his book?Sep 01 13:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] RT @mairin: how wrong am i on !fedora updates? I just gave my comment to your blog on Fedora packetsSep 01 13:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A story about updates and people «  Máirín Duffy .::. Size~: 118.71 KBSep 01 13:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Amazing. In Budapest, one day Microsoft's Moritz Berger (@moritzbe) attacks #OpenOffice and days later he gives talk on "Building Bridges"Sep 01 14:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Access to Knowledge: A Guide for Everyone - excellent, accessible guide to key issues around intellectual monopoliesSep 01 14:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 1/9/2010: #Chakra 0.2.0, #Ksplice Free for !Fedora !techrightsSep 01 14:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 10 bailed-out banks spent $16.3M lobbying in 1H that's a lot of 'coffee' billsSep 01 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fed officials discussed further stimulus steps Got debt? Take more loans then :-/Sep 01 14:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] SEC says it lacked authority to charge Moody's to see how corrupt Moody's is, watch 01 15:01
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schestowitzWho is "FEWT"?Sep 01 15:13
schestowitzA lot of Linux-hostile stuff too oftenSep 01 15:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] RIM reaches compromise in India 01 15:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @Carolyn_Bennett RT @themarknews Do you support the idea of safe-injection sites? Vote on our latest poll!canadaSep 01 15:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Dear Twitter: "Tweet" is an English word rt @publicknowledge Twitter is making another go at #trademark for "tweet" 01 15:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz guess the bail outs didn't come with a user's manual.Sep 01 15:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] BE: Political party moving to a complete open source desktop they chose !ubuntu !gnu !linuxSep 01 15:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @laurelrusswurm maybe they are being twitsSep 01 15:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BE: Political party moving to a complete open source desktop &mdash;  .::. Size~: 29.25 KBSep 01 15:42
cubevectorthe new commodore 64 has nothing to do with the c64Sep 01 15:43
cubevectorit's just a PCSep 01 15:44
cubevectorthat article isn't very goodSep 01 15:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Stefan Lindegaard on the "Open Innovation Revolution" at 1700 GMT Sep 1. Register #fbSep 01 15:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Use this to register: 01 15:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] We do love #KDE! Find out why by reading our latest review: 01 15:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Today: Open Your World webcast with Stefan Lindegaard on the Open Innovation Revolution | .::. Size~: 36.66 KBSep 01 15:56
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cubevectorthe "new" c64 is just another Intel Atom based computerSep 01 15:58
cubevectorweird, they made it look like a c64Sep 01 15:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Google video chat for Fedora: #fb > 01 16:01
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cubevectorthey also have a mockup of something that looks rather like an amiga 1200Sep 01 16:02
cubevectoragain, it's just a redressed PCSep 01 16:03
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cubevectorthe "Commodore" phoenix runs on UbuntuSep 01 16:06
cubevectorthey also mention AROS, which is surprisingSep 01 16:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Tux Radar likes !KDE 4.5 others may not 01 16:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Looking for a distro to go along with your new KDE appreciation? Read our review of Mint 9 KDE: 01 16:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Big questions for cops in the Big Easy 01 16:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz I loved KDE 4.4.3 on Mandriva 2010. Now, I'm willing to buy a better machine, so I can run Mandriva 2010. Gorgeous desktopSep 01 16:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ukraine to Create is Own GNU/Linux Distro - let's hope it doesn't get bogged down like Russia's #ukraine #linuxSep 01 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] WebOS 2.0 Pushed to Developers - good to see some movement here #webos #hpSep 01 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Road to cut off Serengeti migration route - after all, who cares about 2 million wildebeest and zebra? #madnessSep 01 16:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Does Steven Levitan Also Want A Cut Every Time You Buy A TV? - that #entitlement virusSep 01 17:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Holy Smokes! At 5.2 GHz IBM Chip is Super Fast - remember the 4.77 MHz 8088 in the IBM PC? Worryingly, I do... #chipsSep 01 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EnterpriseDB: Open Source Database Attracts More Funding - time to take over from MySQL...? #dbs #opensourceSep 01 17:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Uses Linux to 'Succeed' 01 17:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Jailbreaking your phone fuels piracy? WTF? 01 17:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @webmink On Copyright Aggregation: A collaborative activity dubbed Project Harmony is now under way between corporate and ... http:/ ...Sep 01 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Beating the heat in Iraq 01 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Introducing Copyright - calm and sensible intro to all the key areas #copyrightSep 01 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I think @webmink's feed's doing reruns perhaps b/c of #Twitter bullshit w/ auth changes,but his copyright article is worth a 2nd look anywaySep 01 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @glynmoody Introducing !Copyright - calm and sensible intro to all the key areasSep 01 17:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @hapee hapeeg: Web platform helps aid groups locate Pakistani flood victims Deutsche Welle | 31.08.2010 http://b ...Sep 01 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] If Fashion Copyright Harms So Many, Why Is Congress Pushing For It? - explaining the dynamics #copyrightSep 01 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @glynmoody, I hope you'll write more yourself on for-profit copyright manipulations in #FLOSS world. We need more ppl speaking out on it.Sep 01 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @bkuhn yes, I think that's likely - it's clearly becoming an increasingly hot issueSep 01 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Microsoft Uses Linux to 'Succeed' 01 17:31
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_GoblinHopefully the wife is coming back from the shops with a copy of the vampires book...Sep 01 17:31
schestowitz_Goblin: "I don't understand why people aren't getting pissed because of this"Sep 01 17:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz Btw, what does the little fuzzy critter pictured have to do with Microsoft or Linux in "Microsoft Uses Linux to ‘Succeed’ " ?Sep 01 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Lobbyists Continue to Push for Software Patents in #Europe (Transforming Government) to Tax !Linux #swpatsSep 01 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Windows phone 7, Android, and market relevance - nice analysis of dubious reasoning #windowsphone7 #androidSep 01 17:36
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sebsebseb_Goblin: I am helping someone this afternoon, hes on the verge of installing UbuntuSep 01 17:37
gnufreexI am pissed, but what to do, that is consturctive?Sep 01 17:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "The regulation of Carbon Dioxide in our atmosphere should be left to God and not government" - uh-huh... #bonkersSep 01 17:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ohio Tea Party survey to candidates:  The regulation of Carbon Dioxide in our atmosphere should be left to God and not government and I oppose all measures of Cap and Trade as well as the teaching of global warming theory in our schools. «  Climate Progress .::. Size~: 50.88 KBSep 01 17:41
_Goblinsebsebseb: Im sure it will be sucessful....whats the flavor Gnome/KDE or other?Sep 01 17:44
sebsebseb_Goblin: hes doing Ubuntu so GnomeSep 01 17:45
sebsebsebwith their patches uhSep 01 17:45
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_Goblinah..I see..I personally deploy a couple of vers behind the current and presently when I deploy it I choose 9.10...Sep 01 17:46
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sebsebseb_Goblin: well this is some total newbie I am helipngSep 01 17:48
sebsebseb_Goblin: he hasn't even had an install of Ubuntu just yetSep 01 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I am interviewed in the current edition of !GNOME Journal about my representation of !FSF on the GNOME Advisory Board: 01 17:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yay! M$ get a patent for OS shutdown? I want to file one for OS Replacement! #fbSep 01 17:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] There seems to be an unfilled niche in holiday genres, cruises for lethagric peeps, called Snooze CruisesSep 01 18:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @laurelrusswurm Ubuntu's Meerkat. Who other than Microsoft would want to explout it?Sep 01 18:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Boosters of Software Patents in !Linux / #UNIX Sued for #Patent Violation #swpatsSep 01 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] It's a bird, it´s a plane… no it’s “ACTA light” - "anti-ACTA campaign is having a deep impact" (via @StopActaNow) #actaSep 01 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Loving the error messages in Mustard, flash up and disappear in a second, so you can't possibly get time to read what the error isSep 01 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Something about a java exceptionSep 01 18:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ecommerce directive: EU Commission sneaks out filtering review - the arrogance is staggering #eu #filteringSep 01 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ecommerce directive: EU Commission sneaks out filtering review - the arrogance is staggering #eu #filteringSep 01 18:16
gnufreexVAR Gay lies again 01 18:17
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cubezzzwhat is the truth?Sep 01 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Jobs: Hey Google, We’re Activating 230,000 NEW iOS Devices A Day - feeling the heat, eh Steve? #android #iphoneSep 01 18:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Scottish RBS protestors suffer defamation 01 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Join me in 30mins at 11am Pac / 2pm Eas / 6pm UTC for my live Ubuntu/Community video Q+A at #ubuntu #communitySep 01 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] I'm at N28.02481 E34.44151, happily making scuba diving... :-)Sep 01 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "While... modernizing !Copyright is a good idea, I don’t believe !C32 moves towards that goal." ~!q @russellmcOrmond 01 18:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Facebook faces campaign to switch to renewable energy - more grumbling #facebook #energySep 01 18:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Internet Explorer 8 Gains While Internet Explorer 6 Dropping Off - Except in China - interesting anomaly #china #ieSep 01 18:46
gnufreexcubezzz: I don't know, but VAR Guy is lately boosting Hyper-V. I don't beleive they got 25% of virtualization market.Sep 01 18:49
gnufreexHyperV is crapSep 01 18:49
MinceRHype-VSep 01 18:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @glynmoody Ecommerce directive: EU Commission sneaks out filtering review - the arrogance is staggering #eu #fil ...Sep 01 18:51
gnufreexschestowitz: Expect Floyd to defend Centrify and Likewise and call Quest a patent troll.Sep 01 18:58
gnufreexHe just attacked IBM again 01 18:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz Disney? I saw Lion King (and wasn't that the only story they've made a feature film of that isn't a remix of something else?)Sep 01 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Internet Explorer 8 Gains While Internet Explorer 6 Dropping Off - Except in China - interesting anomaly #china #ieSep 01 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Oliver Sacks on Vision, His Next Book, and Surviving Cancer - fine interview with a wonderful person #oliversacksSep 01 19:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Announcing PLoS Blogs - first the Guardian, now this: science blogs are *hot* #blogs #scienceSep 01 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Welcome to Mahara - "an open source e-portfolio system with a flexible display framework" new to me, to my shameSep 01 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Ukraine to Create is Own GNU/Linux Distro - let's hope it doesn't get bogged down >> 01 19:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @thistleweb they also say that p2p funds TERROR~1Sep 01 19:11
schestowitzbkuhn writes "bullshit" publicly?Sep 01 19:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bkuhn @glynmoody, I hope you'll write more yourself on for-profit copyright manipulations in #FLOSS world.Sep 01 19:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Prices, Promotions and extortion – The One Microsoft Way ? !microsoft !mvp !mvpbuzz !windows !android !winmob !7Sep 01 19:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "[We are] aware of who the biggest bootleggers are ... It's not the filesharers." ~ @GraceMaxwell !q !copyrightSep 01 19:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Pledge for Democracy 01 19:26
cubevector"Anspach won the case on appeals in 1979, as the 9th District Court determined that the trademark "Monopoly" was generic, and therefore unenforceable.[9]  However, on Hasbro's pressure, the US Congress immediately passed a statute amending the Trademark Act to protect longstanding marks against 'generic' claims. Thus the game's name remains a registered trademark of Parker Brothers, as do its specific design elements"Sep 01 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Twitter's switch to #OAuth appears to have caught many tools developers flatfooted. Either it was too hard to implement or they just didn't.Sep 01 19:36
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schestowitzI fell offSep 01 19:48
schestowitz[Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:44:18] <schestowitz> [18:49] <gnufreex> cubezzz: I don't know, but VAR Guy is lately boosting Hyper-V. I don't beleive they got 25% of virtualization market.Sep 01 19:48
schestowitz[Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:44:22] <schestowitz> Just  lately/Sep 01 19:48
schestowitz[Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:44:23] <schestowitz> ?Sep 01 19:48
schestowitz[Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:44:37] <schestowitz> 25% is maybe some Microsoft numberSep 01 19:48
schestowitz[Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:44:57] <schestowitz> "25% of [put something which makes it sound valid here]"Sep 01 19:48
schestowitz[Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:46:12] <schestowitz> [18:58] <gnufreex> schestowitz: Expect Floyd to defend Centrify and Likewise and call Quest a patent troll.Sep 01 19:49
schestowitz[Wednesday 01 Sep 2010] [19:46:30] <schestowitz> I call Microsoft Florian a lobbyist, if not a trollSep 01 19:49
schestowitz_Goblin: Grallia???Sep 01 19:57
schestowitzNot Gorilla?Sep 01 19:57
schestowitzOr grrrrla?Sep 01 19:57
schestowitzWas it intetional?Sep 01 19:57
schestowitzHe is to IDG what Bought/Bot/Bott is to ZDNetSep 01 19:57
_Goblinschestowitz: stuck up quite a conversation with Danny Shine recently.....Sep 01 19:57
schestowitzSells Windows books for a livingSep 01 19:57
schestowitzDemeaning to Microsoft rivalsSep 01 19:57
_Goblinschestowitz: but he does make a valid point about people not wanting a Windows platform.Sep 01 19:57
_Goblinon mobile.Sep 01 19:57
_Goblinand it echoed what Ive been saying..Sep 01 19:57
schestowitzI just don't feed himSep 01 19:57
schestowitzIf you don't feed him, he'll lose the blogSep 01 19:58
_Goblinbut then again, I like to bring hypocrites out in the open...Sep 01 19:58
_Goblinand if indeed he is pro-MS, that adds credability to my point that even an MS advocate has the same feelings about a particular MS product.Sep 01 19:59
_GoblinIts similar to that conversation we had about that "other" MS reporter.Sep 01 19:59
schestowitzGood pointSep 01 20:00
_Goblindangerous people that can be turned back on MS.Sep 01 20:00
schestowitzrarely happensSep 01 20:00
schestowitzAt best you make them give a hug, like copsSep 01 20:00
schestowitzeverything is OK thenSep 01 20:00
_Goblinyeah...Sep 01 20:00
schestowitzBut then they get back to the paycheckSep 01 20:00
schestowitzBallmerSep 01 20:00
schestowitzAnd duty to MicrosoftSep 01 20:01
schestowitzThey are not in the business of doing what's right (at Microsoft)Sep 01 20:01
_Goblinyep...I think though that resentment is gaining....Sep 01 20:01
schestowitzJust increasing $$$ ("shareholder value")Sep 01 20:01
schestowitz_Goblin: when was the last time Preston got a rose of a laptop?Sep 01 20:02
_GoblinI was speaking to a "employee" like me who is driver for the second in line to my "big boss" (I think you get my drift)....all he could talk about was how great it was to be free of MS....this was an average user and whilst he may have gone to Apple, the wind of change (and users knowing they have choice) is a good thing.Sep 01 20:02
schestowitzApple is not a choice in second- and 3rd-world countriesSep 01 20:03
_GoblinI think whilst Apples actions are questionable, it assists in the chipping away of MS monopoly and also introduces many to  the concept of change....just like FF did with the browser.Sep 01 20:04
MinceRi wouldn't put FF on the same footing as crAppleSep 01 20:04
_Goblinprobably not...bad example...but it was to convey the "ethos" of breaking people out of habitsSep 01 20:04
_Goblinif they changed to Apple it will hopefully make them see PC != Microsoft and open to future recommendations of change and other platforms.Sep 01 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] In the last year, what new feature has impressed you most about Linux? Get your views in our podcast: 01 20:06
MinceRcrApple's ineptitude would probably help them make the next stepSep 01 20:07
_Goblinthats the idea....but if Apple helps facilitate the breaking away from a "one microsoft way" mindset....then questionable actions or not Apple indirectly (and unintentionally) serves the greater good.Sep 01 20:08
_Goblinwhich is freedom of choice without lockin.Sep 01 20:08
_Goblinbrb quick power down...need to switch power adaptors...need a 8 way plugged in.Sep 01 20:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Rather witty Very Demotivational poster - spoilt only by the misquotation from Monty Python...Sep 01 20:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] More Geneva Convention violations by US forces 01 20:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Police in accountability shocker, bet the copper wasn't expecting to actually be held accountable 01 20:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] William Gibson jacks into Google's cool menace - short but sweet review #google #booksSep 01 20:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] The Disters Contest: Compete for some serious cash ($10K!). More info via @novell: 01 20:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Kiwi Linux 10.08 released with Chromium, Shotwell and more 01 21:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] VMware doesn't like Windows - Computerworld Blogs 01 21:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Now why do Gnome refuse to start, if my wacom is connected doing startup !Fedora !Linux after getting the latest kernel from repo !gimpSep 01 21:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Announcing this week's Bug Day target - Empathy! - Thursday, 2 September 2010! 01 21:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 1/9/2010: Linux in Ukraine, 'Green Party' of Belgium Moves to !GNU !Linux Desktops #Ecolo !UbuntuSep 01 21:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Can councils rise to the Open Source challenge? Should they? - Liberal Democrat Voice 01 21:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Listening to SceneSat !radio !scene !amiga !demoscene !scene !streamingSep 01 21:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Microsoft Patents OS Shutdown 01 21:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[timbl/@timbl] Google now indexes SVG #SVG #W3C @W3CSep 01 21:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Democracy in Russia 01 21:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @timbl Google now indexes SVG #SVG #W3C @W3CSep 01 21:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Dear @evan, the people at @support won't add a filter to block spmmaers with * websites. I got 20+ spam today.Sep 01 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Be aware of Fedora's new kernel and problems with connected wacom's just filed this "Bug 629385" !Fedora !Kernel !Wacom !LinuxSep 01 21:36
schestowitzlinuxfoundation promotes novell,as usualSep 01 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] mmm...I still think K3b is far better than Brasero....Im sticking with K3b..Sep 01 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] NOVL CFO: "Depletion of the original Microsoft certificates this year makes for a challenging year-over-year comparison.” #notsurprisedSep 01 21:41
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gnufreexMicrosoft is on anti-VMware campaignSep 01 21:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Does anyone know how soon the !pino guys will get around to dealing with Twitter #Oauth?Sep 01 21:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] If you are creating a remix of !fedora using livecd-creator it won't work because of #626780 #624028 #messSep 01 21:46
gnufreexThey claim HyperV has 25% of the market (Var Gay) and they send leters to VMware customers, warning them about lock it. Microsoft warns about lockin... haSep 01 21:47
Ziodotmatrixgnufreex: kinda funny considering what even Ellison said about the term "cloud computing"Sep 01 21:47
gnufreexYesSep 01 21:47
gnufreexHe said that is nothing new AFAIK?Sep 01 21:48
gnufreexJim Whitehurst said cloud can be mother of all lockinsSep 01 21:48
Ziodotmatrixgnufreex: basically: 01 21:50
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gnufreexI watched that.Sep 01 21:51
Ziodotmatrixgnufreex: yea so you know it's just a new name on an old concept that is being pushed to residential and small business customers.Sep 01 21:52
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schestowitzLoud computingSep 01 21:52
schestowitzmarketingSep 01 21:52
gnufreexOnly diference is that they try to trick people to completely give up their data and send it over internet for someone else to process it.Sep 01 21:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Gunman takes hostages at the Discovery Channel: 01 21:56
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*sebsebseb is having fun todaySep 01 22:06
*sebsebseb getting a guy to do a load of great stuff in Ubuntu, and its only his first daySep 01 22:06
sebsebseband he says he's loving itSep 01 22:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Why do android apps delete shortcuts from the desktop when updated? And do we really have to update them MS style, 1 at a time with wizardsSep 01 22:06
MinceR:)Sep 01 22:06
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sebsebsebMinceR: indeedSep 01 22:06
sebsebsebI have spent a lot of time with him so far thoughSep 01 22:06
gnufreexkewlSep 01 22:06
sebsebseb,but yeah he will  install what I say and yeah :)Sep 01 22:07
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sebsebsebjust done kubuntu, and lubuntu, and xubuntuSep 01 22:07
sebsebsebso he's about  to log into those and check them outSep 01 22:07
sebsebsebVirutalbox after this :)Sep 01 22:08
gnufreexand KVM affter that :)Sep 01 22:08
sebsebsebgnufreex: no don't think his computer can do KVM, plus mine can't, so I don't really know how to use KVMSep 01 22:09
gnufreexOh, pitty.Sep 01 22:09
gnufreexBut VB is greatSep 01 22:09
sebsebsebindeed it isSep 01 22:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] "On copyright aggregation" by @webmink, reposted on with nice CC-BY-SA graphic :) 01 22:11
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MinceRwell, QEMU will just work without KVM then :>Sep 01 22:13
sebsebsebMinceR: QEMU can be fun to play with yeahSep 01 22:16
*sebsebseb finds it a bit annoying, when telling people to log out, or re boot, they don't come back pretty quickly, after wouldsSep 01 22:17
sebsebsebanyway here he isSep 01 22:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FOSSmaniac It ws awesome 2 see Eben Moglen, Venky Hariharan @nsisodiya @niyambhushan, GT Rao and other FOSSouls at #SPtC #foss #swpatsSep 01 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Labour saving tech equals boredom for workers? 01 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] The #Discovery Channel crisis ends. 01 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Really useful code for today: goobook -- 01 22:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Scary. Gunman's manifesto is classic #ecoterrorist dogma. Is this what Gore's #AIT does to viewers?Sep 01 22:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] As Predicted, OpenSolaris Board Disbands 01 22:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oh dear! The "Sonia Arrison Shill" is back, this time daemonising RMS c.f. 01 22:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @reality Shut up Tony BlairSep 01 22:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] The next !elmdentica release will be incompatible with the current database schema. Sorry for the inconvenience but so far I reduced crashesSep 01 23:01
schestowitzNotice how Sonia uses Mac Asay to look badSep 01 23:02
schestowitzFauxpen sourcersSep 01 23:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Tomorrow I'll be back... to work after my paternity leave #ohnoes #notsosoonSep 01 23:06
schestowitz "When Kevin Rose saw Digg’s numbers start to plummet, he looked closely at the data and discovered that users were finding Digg was becoming too much of a firehose on wide spray, instead of more focused content. "Sep 01 23:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @zoobab UPLS and EU-EPLA seminar by Arcelor Chair, Brussels, Fri 24 Sep, software patents in the EU [..] 01 23:26
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Chips_B_MalroyHi everyoneSep 01 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Unigine Announces Its OilRush Game For Linux "Will this be the best Linux native game we see in 2010?"Sep 01 23:36
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schestowitzHi, Chips_B_MalroySep 01 23:37
schestowitz"More than half of all workers have experienced a spell of unemployment, taken a cut in pay or hours, been forced to go part-time or seen other such problems during and after the Great Recession."Sep 01 23:37
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schestowitzI think it explains it OKSep 01 23:37
schestowitz"part time"=employedSep 01 23:38
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, got a lot of stuff to paste here, would you rather a text file?Sep 01 23:38
schestowitzSlowly shareSep 01 23:38
Chips_B_MalroyokSep 01 23:38
Chips_B_MalroyMicrosoft paints failures in China and the Orient as progressSep 01 23:40
Chips_B_MalroyAbout the only thing that China has been useful for to Microsoft, is providing cheap labor and materials to make its defective XBox360's.  Other than that, China is not a major consumer of Microsoft products.  The XBox360 is banned in China, MS software is pirated by the masses at the highest rates on the planet.  Bing is going nowhere in China despite Google trying to leave and moving to Hong Kong.  In fact, when all isSep 01 23:40
Chips_B_Malroytaken into account, China might be just another cash sink for Microsoft in general.Sep 01 23:40
Chips_B_MalroyIn fact, when Steve Ballmer was drooling over the prospect of Google leaving China, and saying that he and Microsoft had no problem with the Red Chinese censureship of Bing in China, it was probably cause he thought MS would gain search market share if Google left.  Bing has a minuscule market share in China and Japan.  In Japan, Yahoo Japan decided to partner with Google instead of Bing, a clear rejection for MS.Sep 01 23:40
Chips_B_MalroyThings are so bad now, that MS is trying to 'partner' in Bing business in Red China.  But we know what the 'partner' word means in this case, its just MS trying to sell off some of its toxic Bing non-performing units.  MS is really cutting back and using PR to hide this.Sep 01 23:41
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Chips_B_Malroy"Bing is operated in China by Shanghai MSN Network Communications Technology Co., a joint venture with Shanghai Alliance Investment Ltd. Mr. Leung said that venture "may or may not" be involved in the new deal and declined to comment on whether Microsoft might switch partners. Shanghai MSN and Shanghai Alliance couldn't be reached."Sep 01 23:42
Chips_B_Malroy"Mr. Leung declined to name any possible joint-venture partner for search, say whether it would be a search company or give further details"Sep 01 23:42
Chips_B_Malroy" Inc. or Tencent Holdings Ltd., which run two of the less popular Chinese search engines, could be candidates."Sep 01 23:43
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft has said little about its ambitions in China for its Bing search engine. It has just a tiny slice of China's online search market and doesn't appear to have gained much from Google Inc. this year moving its China search service to Hong Kong."Sep 01 23:43
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft also is seeking approval from the Chinese government to sell its Xbox videogame console in China, Mr. Leung said. Though regulations are murky, Mr. Leung said consoles are "essentially" banned in the country."Sep 01 23:44
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schestowitz[23:40] <Chips_B_Malroy> taken into account, China might be just another cash sink for Microsoft in general.Sep 01 23:45
schestowitzMicrosoft needs ChinaSep 01 23:45
schestowitzMonocultureSep 01 23:45
Chips_B_MalroyAs Microsoft has taken control of Yahoo's search engine and replaced it with Bing, Yahoo loses markets.  Reaction to using Bing, causes first Japan and now South Korea to abandon Yahoo.Sep 01 23:45
schestowitzOutpostSep 01 23:45
schestowitzIn Japan Microsoft gets weaker due to AppleSep 01 23:46
Chips_B_MalroyThey will never get paid in China for MS Windows and Office by the masses.  MS has educated people on how to be pirates.Sep 01 23:46
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Chips_B_Malroy"Yahoo Inc. is about to lose one of its search advertising partners in South Korea as the Internet company prepares to convert to Microsoft Corp.'s technology."Sep 01 23:47
Chips_B_Malroy"NHN Corp. in South Korea will stop relying on Yahoo's search ads when its current contract expires in November, according to a Wednesday filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission."Sep 01 23:47
Chips_B_MalroynextSep 01 23:47
Chips_B_MalroySo far China has banned the defective product known as the MS XBox360 from being sold to Chinese consumers.  But further competition from a Chinese company is about to come out:Sep 01 23:47
Chips_B_Malroy 01 23:48
Chips_B_Malroy"Move over, Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo--it looks like a new player is about to enter the video game hardware market, as Chinese IT manufacturer Lenovo has announced plans to launch a new gaming console by the end of the year."Sep 01 23:48
schestowitz[23:46] <Chips_B_Malroy> They will never get paid in China for MS Windows and Office by the masses.  MS has educated people on how to be pirates.Sep 01 23:48
schestowitzBut they crack down on businessSep 01 23:48
schestowitzBut first govtSep 01 23:48
Chips_B_Malroy"According to AFP reports, the device, known as the eBox, will be a controller-free console that will be controlled solely through the use of gestures, not unlike Microsoft's soon-to-be-released Kinect attachment for the Xbox 360."Sep 01 23:48
schestowitzHeheSep 01 23:49
Chips_B_MalroyThe crack downs are more for PR purposes.  They don't generate large revenues when taking in the total picture.Sep 01 23:49
schestowitzChina owns allSep 01 23:49
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TechrightsBot-trHeheSep 01 23:49
TechrightsBot-trThe crack downs are more for PR purposes.  They don't generate large revenues when taking in the total picture.Sep 01 23:49
TechrightsBot-trChina owns allSep 01 23:49
schestowitzEVen JapanSep 01 23:49
Chips_B_MalroyChina is going stiff Microsoft long term.Sep 01 23:50
Chips_B_MalroyIts only Ballmer that is too blind to see that.Sep 01 23:50
schestowitzPoor Microsoft the "underdog"Sep 01 23:50
schestowitzThey still control them as hostagesSep 01 23:51
schestowitzAnd they add restrictions over timeSep 01 23:51
schestowitzNo grab support in Windows, stillSep 01 23:51
schestowitzJust more trapsSep 01 23:51
Chips_B_MalroyMore competition for XBox360 is a good thing, as fewer defective XBox360 will be sold.Sep 01 23:51
schestowitzThey get them from pot to meth too crackSep 01 23:51
schestowitzVista 7 is the crack-cocaine of USesSep 01 23:51
schestowitzOSesSep 01 23:51
schestowitzbrbSep 01 23:52
Chips_B_MalroySo here we have China, Japan, and Korea, in effect, ignoring Bing and MS in some way.Sep 01 23:53
Chips_B_MalroyI submit that Microsoft stategy has been ineffective in these countries, for the most part.Sep 01 23:54
Chips_B_MalroyExcept for JapanSep 01 23:54
cubevectorignore bing should be standard policy for everyoneSep 01 23:54
Chips_B_MalroyWell, China anywaySep 01 23:55
Chips_B_MalroyBing is a human rights voilation in the making, should it ever get big.Sep 01 23:55
cubevectorbing isn't even on my radarSep 01 23:56
Chips_B_Malroy<cubevector> bing isn't even on my radar"  Or mine either.  But MS constant PR about how good Bing is doing, needs to be taken down a few notches once in awhile.  To show only figures in the USA from paid surveys, is not only dishonest of MS, but doesn't show the facts for the whole world.Sep 01 23:58

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