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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When #Vista was release Microsoft reported $4.2 billion in Windows earnings. For #Vista7 -- just $3.0 billion. #realitycheck #hype #pr #spin | Sep 19 00:01 | |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: "why is it good, why do I want it and how is it special" http://identi.ca/conversation/50745447#notice-51174534 | Sep 19 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/2010/09/senators-call-for-action-on-st.php "Just because they call it “reform” doesn’t mean it is. " | Sep 19 00:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Senators Call For Action On Stalled Patent Bill - Tech Daily Dose - Tech Daily Dose .::. Size~: 49.6 KB | Sep 19 00:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD I'm @osamak and I use trisquel 4.0. | Sep 19 00:09 | |
| amarsh04 | more reformatry than reform | Sep 19 00:14 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uh why did you link to the identica page? I have already been on their site | Sep 19 00:15 |
| amarsh04 | seen as a .signature line: "The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world." | Sep 19 00:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://pookito.status.net/notice/90313 "What is going on with oracle? First Sun with all their products, and now they are trying to go for #Redhat? Wow. What are they trying to do, world domination. :D" | Sep 19 00:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: pookito pookito (pookito)'s status on Saturday, 18-Sep-10 19:01:59 EDT - pookito .::. Size~: 7.78 KB | Sep 19 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Rumours again | Sep 19 00:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Why do file manager devs think it's their right to fuck with people's wallpapers and right click menus? !Nautilus | Sep 19 00:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Wow, I am really tired. Been that way for like two days. So, I just turned on Back to the Future Part II. I forgot 2015 has flying cars. Ha! | Sep 19 00:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Hopefully telling Nautilus to ignore inserted media fixes the problem when mounting the phone to add a new background | Sep 19 00:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] DRG SSH Username and Password Authentication Tag Clouds http://www.dragonresearchgroup.org/insight/sshpwauth-cloud.html | Sep 19 00:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bruce Schneier: "Remember, anyone who searches for anything on the Internet may be a terrorist. Report him immediately." | Sep 19 00:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @osamak I hadn't checked again. thanks for letting me know. Just signed http://fsfe.org/campaigns/pdfreaders/petition.en.html | Sep 19 00:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: PDFreaders - Petition .::. Size~: 24.13 KB | Sep 19 00:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] !Nautilus acts like a fucking worm, kill it, it decides to immediately respawn itself "you didn't mean to kill me did you? No, thought not" | Sep 19 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | ]http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/09/email-still-isnt-dead.htmlORLY claims 143000 readers, but based on numbers of "likes", comments etc. they are probably lying.. http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/09/crowdconf-goes-deep-on-the-fut.html | Sep 19 00:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Library information desk http://www.recyclart.org/2010/09/library-information-desk/ very neat stuff | Sep 19 01:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FFII #ECIS concerned about #ACTA effects on Interoperability http://www.ecis.eu/documents/ECISACTApositionpaper.pdf | Sep 19 01:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @kirschner: Will now listen to Stephan Uhlmann's #ffii presentation about #swpats at #sfd in berlin #fs #fsfe | Sep 19 01:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD @schestowitz: "[W]e're not going to have products that are much more successful than Vista has been." -Steve Ballmer /RD amen! | Sep 19 01:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] for those seeking a sane Nautilus outside gnome try this command alias nautilus='nautilus --no-desktop' | Sep 19 01:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/09/18/dell-com-cn/ Dell China: "FreeDOS or “Linux Ubuntu 9.10“. Isn’t the outside of the USA a different world?" | Sep 19 01:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] make every day a software freedom day, switch to a Free distro right away http://gnu.org/distros | Sep 19 01:23 | |
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| schestowitz | ola! | Sep 19 01:24 |
| jweyrich | ola :) | Sep 19 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Happy Software Freedom Day! | Sep 19 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Brazil is in FOSS headlines right now | Sep 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wiihacks.com/wiihacks-member-submitted-news/67604-microsoft-president-equates-open-standards-incompetence.html | Sep 19 01:25 |
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| jweyrich | I read during the week. a shame. | Sep 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | no | Sep 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | it's good | Sep 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | good ammo vs Microsoft | Sep 19 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Cause it bragged about "loving" open source | Sep 19 01:26 |
| jweyrich | I meant, a shame for Microsoft | Sep 19 01:26 |
| schestowitz | So this is a PR disaster for Microsoft | Sep 19 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Started with some forum | Sep 19 01:26 |
| cubevector | they are hypocrites | Sep 19 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Glyn put a link to it in Twitter | Sep 19 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Masnick found it | Sep 19 01:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @lxoliva insistence on "building from source" is what keeps it obscure. It's like saying to MS users "you don't need .exe, you have .zip" | Sep 19 01:26 | |
| schestowitz | Techdirt-> | Sep 19 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Slashdot> | Sep 19 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Everywhere from there | Sep 19 01:26 |
| schestowitz | IDG.... | Sep 19 01:26 |
| schestowitz | It's nice to see the chain in reporting | Sep 19 01:27 |
| jweyrich | LOL. that affirmation is so... well, I'll save my comments | Sep 19 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It's good when Microsoft attacks FOSS | Sep 19 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It drives people away | Sep 19 01:27 |
| cubevector | what Microsoft are trying to do is marginalize Linux | Sep 19 01:27 |
| cubevector | they know they can't stop it | Sep 19 01:27 |
| schestowitz | The worst Microsoft can do is attack what's winning | Sep 19 01:28 |
| cubevector | or the best :) | Sep 19 01:28 |
| cubevector | that's mostly what they do is attack | Sep 19 01:28 |
| schestowitz | they want FOSS to be WIndows addon | Sep 19 01:28 |
| cubevector | yes | Sep 19 01:28 |
| schestowitz | "third-party" wares | Sep 19 01:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/imam-rauf-palin-disingenuous/ | Sep 19 01:29 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @thistleweb who's insisting on building from sources? GNU tar can backage binaries just as well | Sep 19 01:29 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2395 "On the puppets: photographs of Western political figures, including Hillary Clinton, Condoleezza Rice, and five judges of the European Court for Human Rights, as well as members of the Estonian Parliament and an assortment of Russian opposition leaders. Sitting atop each head was a cap bearing a Nazi swastika." | Sep 19 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | Tupperware, Intel participate in it | Sep 19 01:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @thistleweb me, I don't care how Linus packages Linux. it's just one program vs hundreds of GNU programs. | Sep 19 01:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @lxoliva stating a compressed file as the answer to a single compiled binary format IS saying "you don't need a binary, just use source" | Sep 19 01:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @thistleweb I was just pointing out that @jargon's complaint was misdirected. it's not about linux, it's about Les GNUx distros | Sep 19 01:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @thistleweb if you have qualms about the only format in which Linus publishes his Linux distributions, bring them up with him | Sep 19 01:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @lxoliva I don't care how Linus packages Linux. it's just one program vs hundreds of GNU programs. | Sep 19 01:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @lxoliva what has this got to do with Linus? You seem hell bent on bringing him into this. This is about simplifying the packaging options | Sep 19 01:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @thistleweb Linus is the person who started Linux, and who still publishes its official releases, in this one single format | Sep 19 01:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @lxoliva which each distro builds a set of packages around, and choose their own formats, which the user then interacts with | Sep 19 01:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @thistleweb now, if @jargon meant GNU/Linux binary packages, he should have been clear. Linux std packaging is how Linus publishes it | Sep 19 01:39 | |
| schestowitz | "A Philippine woman who acknowledged giving birth to a baby on a flight from the Middle East and then leaving him in the trash on the plane said she was raped by her employer, a lawmaker said Thursday." | Sep 19 01:44 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | Sep 19 01:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @thistleweb sounds good to me. @jargon seems to assume that a single binary pkg format would solve problems. far from enough. | Sep 19 01:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] WikiLeaks founder Assange ‘free to leave’ Sweden http://ur1.ca/1o5ty Move along, nothing to see here? | Sep 19 01:51 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/gibbs-palin-the-formidable-force-republican-party/ | Sep 19 02:16 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 18/9/2010: !GNU !Linux in #Dell China, #Wine 1.3.3, #Mageia (Mandriva Fork) Launched http://ur1.ca/1o5ze !techrights | Sep 19 02:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatteron/@themadhatteron] Mageia – A New Linux Distribution - Fork Of Mandriva/Mandrake http://bit.ly/bDcU80 #linux #distro | Sep 19 02:32 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | The Ipad is really only the first of the tablets that has struck a major hit with consumers. Android with its Linux kernel, is next. Some from that perspective, these next links about Ipad hurting the laptop market, are worthwhile. | Sep 19 02:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Android will be kicking MS butt again by hurting laptop sales for its OEM's, just like Apple is doing now with Ipad. | Sep 19 02:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/17/death-of-notebooks/ | Sep 19 02:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Best Buy CEO: The Reports Of Microsofts Death Are Grossly Exaggerated& By Me. .::. Size~: 47.8 KB | Sep 19 02:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "All day, the Internet has been erupting with news that the age of notebook and netbooks is over, and the age of tablets ? specifically, the iPad, of course ? has begun. One of the main catalysts of this eruption was Best Buy CEO Brian Dunn who supposedly told the Wall Street Journal that the iPad is cannibalizing laptop sales, especially netbook sales. Or did he?" | Sep 19 02:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Mr. Dunn also said internal estimates showed that the iPad had cannibalized sales from laptop PCs, especially netbooks, by as much as 50%." | Sep 19 02:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Mageia, que nome pra um fork... PCLinuxOS é bem mais civilizado e razoável. | Sep 19 02:39 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Now, that?s obviously not a direct quote, but it is a very clear statement directly attributed to him. And it?s a huge statement as Best Buy is the nation?s leading consumer electronics giant. It?s basically saying that not only is the iPad winning, it is ushering in a new era of computing. In other words, Microsoft and all the PC incumbents are screwed." | Sep 19 02:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "This afternoon, amid the uproar of this statement, Best Buy issued a press release backtracking from the claim." | Sep 19 02:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Pressure from Microsoft? | Sep 19 02:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Apple-iPad-a-Factor-In-Declining-Notebook-Sales-Analyst-335798/ | Sep 19 02:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple iPad a Factor In Declining Notebook Sales: Analyst - Desktops and Notebooks from eWeek .::. Size~: 107.59 KB | Sep 19 02:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcworld.com/article/205667/is_ipad_killing_the_laptop.html?tk=hp_new | Sep 19 02:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Is iPad Killing the Laptop? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 74.63 KB | Sep 19 02:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If you think iPad is hurting Laptop sales, just wait until the Android Army shows up in force on Tablets. | Sep 19 02:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Android is already taking over on Smartphones, it will be the same on Tablets. | Sep 19 02:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Consider that Laptops sales have surpasses the volume of sales of Desktop computers a few years ago in mature countries. These are the countries that Microsoft makes most of its money selling windows and office licences on pre-installed computers. | Sep 19 02:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Stevie B., its going hurt, buck up. | Sep 19 02:46 |
| cubevector | nah I don't think that | Sep 19 02:46 |
| cubevector | not about "all the PC incumbents" | Sep 19 02:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think people are trying to get away from the Malware problems of Windows, but they need to do it cheap. | Sep 19 02:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | While Linux would be the best and cheapest way, sadly most people here in the USA just go out and buy a computer. | Sep 19 02:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Which is why iPad and then Android will do well. No malware problem to speak of compared to MS. | Sep 19 02:48 |
| cubevector | yeah I'm a computer reuser, probably more than most | Sep 19 02:49 |
| cubevector | iPad doesn't appeal to me | Sep 19 02:50 |
| cubevector | I mean, if I buy a computer I want to program on it | Sep 19 02:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] GNOME 2.32 Release Candidate Makes It Out: The release candidate for GNOME 2.32 is now available after it was dela... http://bit.ly/bwycQU | Sep 19 02:50 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/13/malware_threat_lanscape/ | Sep 19 02:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Windows malware dwarfs other viral threats • The Register .::. Size~: 24.6 KB | Sep 19 02:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "The vast majority of malware - more than 99 per cent - targets Windows PCs, according to a new survey by German anti-virus firm G-Data." | Sep 19 02:51 |
| cubevector | I usually see a shift to newer computers when the old computer just can't handle something | Sep 19 02:52 |
| cubevector | but that is mostly driven by Microsoft | Sep 19 02:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "<cubevector> iPad doesn't appeal to me" Nor me either. But I don't think that either of us are typical computer users, do you? | Sep 19 02:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "G-Data reckons 99.4 per cent of all new malware of the first half of 2010 targeted Microsoft?s operating system. Just 0.6 per cent of the 1,017,208 new malware programs discovered in 1H2010 targeted other systems, such as Apple Mac boxes and servers running Unix." | Sep 19 02:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "G-Data reckons the rate of virus production in 1H10 is 50 per cent up from the same period last year. It predicts 2010 as a whole will witness two million malware samples." | Sep 19 02:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't see where MS is helping to prevent its users | Sep 19 02:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | from getting malware in a big way. The problem is only going get worse for windows users. | Sep 19 02:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Which is why iPad is doing well, and Android will do even better. | Sep 19 02:55 |
| cubevector | Chips_B_Malroy, I try to avoid broad generalizations | Sep 19 02:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not me | Sep 19 02:55 |
| cubevector | I know a few people who have never used windows | Sep 19 02:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | can't say the same | Sep 19 02:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.readwriteweb.com/biz/2010/09/study-33-of-smbs-have-been-infected-with-malware-from-social-networks.php | Sep 19 02:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Study: 33% of SMBs Have Been Infected With Malware From Social Networks .::. Size~: 50.28 KB | Sep 19 02:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Android might be the catalist for many people to try GNU/Linux if it turns out as a good experience for them. | Sep 19 02:58 |
| cubevector | Chips_B_Malroy, what would you call a typical computer user? | Sep 19 02:59 |
| cubevector | just someone who goes to Futureshop and buys a windows PC? | Sep 19 02:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | good question | Sep 19 02:59 |
| cubevector | it's always changing too | Sep 19 02:59 |
| cubevector | in the 80's there really wasn't a dominant system | Sep 19 02:59 |
| cubevector | in the S-100 era it was even more wild | Sep 19 03:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would say the average windows user, cannot adquitly protect their computer. They probably have an antivirus program on it, but maybe no antimalware program. | Sep 19 03:00 |
| cubevector | I'm really from the pre-Windows era | Sep 19 03:01 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | What would you say is the average computer user? | Sep 19 03:04 |
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| cubevector | Chips_B_Malroy, well... | Sep 19 03:06 |
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| cubevector | probably someone on windows XP or Windows 7 nowadays | Sep 19 03:07 |
| cubevector | but a lot of those people are far more receptive to a dual-boot system | Sep 19 03:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and their level of skill? how they relate to malware protection. | Sep 19 03:07 |
| Ender2070 | [18:07] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: So what do you think about Mandriva at the moment, and the fork for that matter? | Sep 19 03:08 |
| Ender2070 | myself, I can't wait for them to just lay down and die | Sep 19 03:08 |
| cubevector | well either they go to some shop for a reload or they know enough to run avast or some other program | Sep 19 03:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just my personal opinion, I prefer Mandrivia somehow to Suse | Sep 19 03:10 |
| Ender2070 | why is that? | Sep 19 03:10 |
| Ender2070 | im curious | Sep 19 03:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "<cubevector> well either they go to some shop for a reload or they know enough to run avast or some other program" | Sep 19 03:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its more than one program to protect it. and then you never sure | Sep 19 03:11 |
| cubevector | well that's a "selling" point for Linux | Sep 19 03:11 |
| cubevector | one less thing to worry about | Sep 19 03:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | of course | Sep 19 03:11 |
| Ender2070 | no its not | Sep 19 03:11 |
| cubevector | I find quite a few college age people are receptive to the idea of Linux | Sep 19 03:12 |
| Ender2070 | you live in toronto right | Sep 19 03:13 |
| Ender2070 | U of T is a huge linux supporter, so is seneca | Sep 19 03:13 |
| Ender2070 | Fedora' FUDcon was hosted by Seneca last year | Sep 19 03:13 |
| Ender2070 | outside of acedemia is different though | Sep 19 03:14 |
| Ender2070 | and lack of viruses isn't a selling point | Sep 19 03:14 |
| cubevector | once they start to clue into the idea that you don't have to have the fastest computer on the block for it to run well | Sep 19 03:15 |
| Ender2070 | its a lot easier (and cheaper) to make a windows box secure than it is to convert and go through the learning curve | Sep 19 03:15 |
| cubevector | I'm fortunate, I even have a local computer shop that carters to Linux users | Sep 19 03:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most people do not want to learn anything about the operating system, until it hoses up | Sep 19 03:15 |
| cubevector | anything? :) | Sep 19 03:16 |
| Ender2070 | power users on the other hand are easier to convince | Sep 19 03:16 |
| cubevector | they have to learn something just to use it | Sep 19 03:17 |
| cubevector | but I know what you mean | Sep 19 03:17 |
| cubevector | you mean they don't care about the internals | Sep 19 03:17 |
| Ender2070 | most users dont | Sep 19 03:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they barely know anything about windows (average users) and think that Linux is another major learning experience. which it is not with a distro that is for newbies | Sep 19 03:17 |
| Ender2070 | they just want to get on facebook | Sep 19 03:17 |
| Ender2070 | and then they get mad when we tell them not to even bother using facebook | Sep 19 03:17 |
| Ender2070 | facebook is evil? oh well im not doing anything wrong | Sep 19 03:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | facebook spreads windows malware | Sep 19 03:18 |
| Ender2070 | we need not be afraid of the government listening to all our conversations, putting cameras out on the streets or in our homes. they need not do any of this | Sep 19 03:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but then, dosen't most sites? | Sep 19 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | they simply need to give us facebook, and we'll do it for them | Sep 19 03:19 |
| cubevector | it was probably easier to learn computers in the text era | Sep 19 03:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | with early Dos you had to learn something | Sep 19 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | Dos was the best | Sep 19 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | imo | Sep 19 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | and unix | Sep 19 03:20 |
| cubevector | no multi-tasking to worry about | Sep 19 03:20 |
| Ender2070 | CLI was the best* | Sep 19 03:20 |
| cubevector | any early system, really | Sep 19 03:20 |
| Ender2070 | Dos was really great though, it let the user fuck up their system | Sep 19 03:20 |
| cubevector | Commodore DOS, MS DOS, CP/M... | Sep 19 03:20 |
| Ender2070 | i loved it | Sep 19 03:20 |
| cubevector | really KDE and Windows aren't a lot different | Sep 19 03:21 |
| Ender2070 | buying a 14.4k modem, $200, purchasing a license for a TCP/IP stack, $5000, tricking that one noob into running the format command on his own pc... priceless... | Sep 19 03:21 |
| cubevector | especially if everything is set up for them | Sep 19 03:21 |
| Ender2070 | a few mags even had KDE laptops in them claiming they were win7 | Sep 19 03:22 |
| Ender2070 | Chips_B_Malroy - im still curious, why do you like mandriva? | Sep 19 03:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Cause PCLinuxOS uses it as a base | Sep 19 03:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | for one thing | Sep 19 03:23 |
| Ender2070 | i cant think of anything unique in it that makes it stand out | Sep 19 03:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Unix For Sale: Massively Damaged, Sold As Is & Absent Delusions Of Grandeur Over Linux Copyright Infringement http://is.gd/fhk0F | Sep 19 03:24 | |
| Ender2070 | wouldn't you like PCLinuxOS then? | Sep 19 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Unix For Sale: Massively Damaged, Sold As Is & Absent Delusions Of Grandeur Over Linux Copyright Infringement | Techdirt .::. Size~: 52.92 KB | Sep 19 03:24 |
| Ender2070 | not mandriva | Sep 19 03:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, but its built on Mandriva, like Mepis, Sidux, Kanotix, and others are built on top of Debian | Sep 19 03:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Can't think of anything built on top of Suse right off | Sep 19 03:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | why is that? | Sep 19 03:25 |
| Ender2070 | suse has plenty built off of it | Sep 19 03:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | anything good for a distro built off it? | Sep 19 03:26 |
| Ender2070 | theres plenty of things in suse which I consider must have | Sep 19 03:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there I can agree | Sep 19 03:27 |
| Ender2070 | delta support for rpms, gcc 4.5 w/ LTO enabled, latest KDE | Sep 19 03:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have never liked the yast installer | Sep 19 03:27 |
| Ender2070 | they have a web based service which can also make a custom distro | Sep 19 03:27 |
| Ender2070 | i prefer fedora myself though | Sep 19 03:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | me too | Sep 19 03:28 |
| Ender2070 | it has these features, except the gcc 4.5 | Sep 19 03:28 |
| Ender2070 | the latest kde requires using a third party repo | Sep 19 03:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if I want cutting edge | Sep 19 03:28 |
| Ender2070 | opensuse has official kde repos for different versions, factory, trunk and stable | Sep 19 03:29 |
| Ender2070 | im considering suse more and more these days | Sep 19 03:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what will happen to it if VMware gets it? | Sep 19 03:29 |
| Ender2070 | fedora is implementing the 'stable updates' vision | Sep 19 03:30 |
| Ender2070 | meaning, less updates | Sep 19 03:30 |
| Ender2070 | more obsoleteness | Sep 19 03:30 |
| Ender2070 | ie, Fedbuntu | Sep 19 03:30 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Sep 19 03:30 |
| Ender2070 | if VMWare gets suse? | Sep 19 03:30 |
| Ender2070 | I hope they do | Sep 19 03:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I doubt they will die off if VMware buys them | Sep 19 03:32 |
| Ender2070 | suse won't die off | Sep 19 03:32 |
| Ender2070 | I think vmware would make suse better | Sep 19 03:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but their future is cloudy as I look into my cystal ball | Sep 19 03:32 |
| Ender2070 | suse could be a steak that drives vmware away from microsoft | Sep 19 03:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it could be | Sep 19 03:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | who will get the Unix copyrights? | Sep 19 03:33 |
| Ender2070 | whoever buys them from novell | Sep 19 03:33 |
| Ender2070 | suse has nothing to do with that one | Sep 19 03:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Attachmate or VMware | Sep 19 03:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or will SCO try to sell the limited rights they have with SCO unixware | Sep 19 03:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | obviously, somebody thinks those Unix copyrights are worth something. | Sep 19 03:36 |
| Ender2070 | i've only heard of vmware being interested in suse | Sep 19 03:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not that I do | Sep 19 03:36 |
| Ender2070 | cant assume they are interested | Sep 19 03:36 |
| Ender2070 | i've heard suse is going to vmware, and the rest to other buyers | Sep 19 03:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Suse is worth more, IMO | Sep 19 03:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Attachmate is the other buyer | Sep 19 03:37 |
| Ender2070 | i think its *just* suse though | Sep 19 03:37 |
| Ender2070 | i hope its not mono or any of their ximian shit | Sep 19 03:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mono probably goes with Suse? | Sep 19 03:37 |
| Ender2070 | they purchased ximian seperately from suse | Sep 19 03:38 |
| Ender2070 | mono probably doesnt go with suse | Sep 19 03:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it would be nice to see the funding for mono die | Sep 19 03:38 |
| Ender2070 | novell kind of forced it into opensuse anyway | Sep 19 03:38 |
| Ender2070 | i'd love for some troll company to buy the ximian assets | Sep 19 03:39 |
| Ender2070 | just to prove to these idiots writing code for it that they aren't immune | Sep 19 03:39 |
| Ender2070 | writing code for mono/.net is just as dangerous as writing code for java | Sep 19 03:40 |
| Ender2070 | you never know who will own the patents and sue over them the next day | Sep 19 03:40 |
| Ender2070 | what good is a promise from a company that engaged in criminal activities and then used the bush administration to get them out of court | Sep 19 03:41 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 19 03:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Vi num fórum: Usuário windows é como mulher Q apanha do marido, mas volta p/casa com promessas q nunca + vai se repetir. (^_^) | Sep 19 03:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] DWG Cad on Linux - Draftsight and Ares Commander http://is.gd/fhlfs #gnu #linux #cad #ares | Sep 19 03:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: Links 18/9/2010: !GNU !Linux in #Dell China, #Wine 1.3.3, #Mageia (Mandriva Fork) Launched http://ur1.ca/1o5ze !techrights | Sep 19 03:49 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, the post on iPad cannabalizing Laptops sales by 50%, according to Best Buy CEO, would be like 25% of MS OEM licences. That would have to hurt. | Sep 19 03:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Do you think OpenSuse will fork? | Sep 19 03:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz WikiLeaks founder Assange ‘free to leave’ Sweden http://ur1.ca/1o5ty Move along, nothing to see here? | Sep 19 03:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/09/18/dell-com-cn/ Dell China: "FreeDOS or “Linux Ubuntu 9.10“. Isn’t the outside of the USA a ... | Sep 19 03:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Pausa para o reboot. Biblioteca KDElibs4 atualizada!!! | Sep 19 03:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @tux2 #WebUpd8 - #GmailWatcher - A #gmail Notifier Especially Designed For !Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/1o6n5 | Sep 19 03:55 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, maybe its time to let you Canadians get some sleep, gn | Sep 19 03:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @jomonjohnn 12 Useful GIMP Video Tutorials For Absolute Beginners: http://bit.ly/dssMeC #gimp #tutorials !Tutorials !Gimp | Sep 19 03:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Alcatel releases its first #Android phone ‘OT-980′ in UK http://is.gd/fhlXL | Sep 19 04:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz "[W]e're not going to have products that are much more successful than Vista has been." -Steve Ballmer | Sep 19 04:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @didiermisson China-centric Android OS – ‘Tapas’ already on Sharp phones - http://ur1.ca/1o4aw | Sep 19 04:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz !Linux Out Performs #Windows in #OpenGL http://ur1.ca/1o47x "I am happy to say: Linux out performs Windows 7 in OpenGL b ... | Sep 19 04:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz Mageia – A New Linux Distribution http://mageia.org/ !gnu !linux #mandriva | Sep 19 04:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz Mageia - a Mandriva fork http://lwn.net/Articles/406058/ and PCLOS? | Sep 19 04:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @didiermisson Le nageur amputé des quatre membres a réussi son pari! http://ur1.ca/1o3sd | Sep 19 04:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ah good day at Six Flags Magic Mountain...tired now, need to eat and call it a night. | Sep 19 04:07 | |
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| Ender2070 | fedora could even fork | Sep 19 04:19 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Using !Wikipedia to advertise SMS service. http://yfrog.com/1nlostcj (I'm like: are you complying with the terms of !CC -BY-SA ;) | Sep 19 04:45 | |
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| TheMadHatter | Morning. | Sep 19 04:55 |
| TheMadHatter | Roy, here's a good one that you should cover: | Sep 19 04:56 |
| TheMadHatter | http://torrentfreak.com/filmmaker-premieres-movie-in-theaters-and-on-the-pirate-bay-100917/ | Sep 19 04:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] "Jobs Americans won't take?" http://smartpei.typepad.com/robert_patersons_weblog/2010/09/jobs-americans-wont-take-your-voice-homeland.html | Sep 19 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Compensate us adequately and meet US workplace standards and I don't believe there are any "jobs Americans won't take." | Sep 19 05:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #git 1.7.3 is out http://bit.ly/bgVA7P | Sep 19 06:00 | |
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| Ender2070 | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=141744 | Sep 19 06:08 |
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| Ender2070 | not news | Sep 19 06:08 |
| Ender2070 | this has been fact for a long time | Sep 19 06:08 |
| Ender2070 | more of a fact since opengl on windows vista/7 is through emulation | Sep 19 06:09 |
| TheMadHatter | Yeah, well you have to repeat things a thousand times before the Windows fanbois will hear. | Sep 19 06:09 |
| Ender2070 | true | Sep 19 06:11 |
| Ender2070 | but in fact they'll probably point out that nobody writes opengl games for windows anymore | Sep 19 06:12 |
| Ender2070 | short of a very few rare developers | Sep 19 06:12 |
| Ender2070 | we can probably even blame xbox for it | Sep 19 06:13 |
| Ender2070 | directx being available on xbox and windows | Sep 19 06:14 |
| TheMadHatter | That may change. As Roy noted, Microsoft is in trouble financially (reference to Pogson). I predicted that Microsoft would file for Chapter 11 in five years. A year has gone by, and I see nothing that makes me change my view. | Sep 19 06:14 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 19 06:14 |
| Ender2070 | im sure they aren't going to go anywhere soon enough | Sep 19 06:15 |
| Ender2070 | and i hate them | Sep 19 06:15 |
| Ender2070 | I use the word 'hate' literally too | Sep 19 06:15 |
| Ender2070 | I'd be worried if MS was running out of money | Sep 19 06:16 |
| Ender2070 | with 90+% of the desktop market | Sep 19 06:16 |
| Ender2070 | thats bad book keeping | Sep 19 06:16 |
| Ender2070 | perhaps they're also using ms money? | Sep 19 06:16 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Sep 19 06:17 |
| Ender2070 | meanwhile, I ended up having a legit copy of windows server 2008 R2 enterprise | Sep 19 06:18 |
| Ender2070 | didnt cost me anything | Sep 19 06:18 |
| TheMadHatter | Go and read their SEC filings. The numbers are there. Don't forget that the main profit center is Office. Since Apple started selling IWork their sales into the OSX market have nose dived, and Open Office is hitting them on Windows. | Sep 19 06:19 |
| Ender2070 | true | Sep 19 06:20 |
| Ender2070 | i think google docs is hitting them hard too | Sep 19 06:20 |
| TheMadHatter | Oh, and of course we all know people who are still using Office 2004. There aren't enough improvements in the newer versions to make upgrading worthwhile. | Sep 19 06:21 |
| Ender2070 | I think google apps is fucking them hardcore actually | Sep 19 06:21 |
| Ender2070 | I know of a few companies in toronto which migrate companies over to google apps for business | Sep 19 06:21 |
| Ender2070 | not only do they get google docs and webmail, they get an exchange server from google | Sep 19 06:22 |
| TheMadHatter | Have you read Clay Shirkey's 'Cognitive Surplus' yet? | Sep 19 06:23 |
| Ender2070 | I used to avoid google docs but its actually quite awesome | Sep 19 06:23 |
| Ender2070 | helps at school where I can't install openoffice | Sep 19 06:23 |
| Ender2070 | on machines that dont support our student hot swap drives | Sep 19 06:24 |
| Ender2070 | nope | Sep 19 06:24 |
| Ender2070 | haven't read it | Sep 19 06:24 |
| Ender2070 | what is it about | Sep 19 06:24 |
| TheMadHatter | You should. Great book. | Sep 19 06:24 |
| Ender2070 | sounds interesting | Sep 19 06:25 |
| Ender2070 | a book about technology and the social impact? | Sep 19 06:25 |
| TheMadHatter | Complicated to explain - the basic is that people are using their free time to build long distance communities for collaboration, and yes, how it is having a social impact. | Sep 19 06:26 |
| TheMadHatter | You could use the Techrights IRC channel as an example of that. | Sep 19 06:26 |
| Ender2070 | ill have to check it out | Sep 19 06:26 |
| Ender2070 | the networking ability of the average human has increased significantly | Sep 19 06:27 |
| TheMadHatter | It's a must if you are trying to understand what's happening. | Sep 19 06:27 |
| Ender2070 | im 25 though | Sep 19 06:27 |
| Ender2070 | i grew up with it growing around me | Sep 19 06:27 |
| TheMadHatter | All starting when humans invented language. | Sep 19 06:27 |
| Ender2070 | language gave birth to many things | Sep 19 06:28 |
| Ender2070 | but near instant communication anywhere on the planet | Sep 19 06:28 |
| Ender2070 | thats a game changer | Sep 19 06:28 |
| Ender2070 | i dont think the elite quite understood the impact of it | Sep 19 06:29 |
| Ender2070 | unfortunately they have tapped into it | Sep 19 06:30 |
| TheMadHatter | Just like language was. Or the printing press. Each gave humans the ability to spread knowledge. | Sep 19 06:30 |
| Ender2070 | remember 1984? | Sep 19 06:30 |
| TheMadHatter | Each had impacts that no one at the time could forsee. | Sep 19 06:30 |
| TheMadHatter | Yep. Good book. | Sep 19 06:30 |
| Ender2070 | well 1984 will never happen that way | Sep 19 06:30 |
| Ender2070 | i found out why | Sep 19 06:30 |
| Ender2070 | the government doesnt need to put cameras on the street, or in your home, they dont need to listen to your conversations or log your chats because they already have the perfect system | Sep 19 06:31 |
| Ender2070 | they have facebook and twitter | Sep 19 06:31 |
| Ender2070 | they have gps and the iphone | Sep 19 06:31 |
| Ender2070 | we'll willingly give it all away | Sep 19 06:32 |
| Ender2070 | no scary government agency watching me overtly | Sep 19 06:32 |
| TheMadHatter | Ah, but when we are all giving it all away, they can't keep up with the information overload. | Sep 19 06:32 |
| Ender2070 | yes they can | Sep 19 06:32 |
| Ender2070 | they use the 'worlds fastest super computer' to model the weather | Sep 19 06:33 |
| Ender2070 | come on | Sep 19 06:34 |
| Ender2070 | pffft | Sep 19 06:34 |
| Ender2070 | a group of uni geeks broke quantum cryptography in boston, using lasers | Sep 19 06:34 |
| TheMadHatter | Actually they can't, because after they've spotted something, they have to assign it to a resource limited police department. | Sep 19 06:34 |
| Ender2070 | theres technology we dont know about | Sep 19 06:34 |
| Ender2070 | why assign anything to the cops if they are pulling it off military comps? | Sep 19 06:35 |
| Ender2070 | likely if you show up on their radar you're a terrorist and you'll disappear silently | Sep 19 06:35 |
| Ender2070 | this system they have builds a personality profile on each individual based on the information gathered | Sep 19 06:36 |
| TheMadHatter | I know, that's why I always get searched at the airport. | Sep 19 06:36 |
| Ender2070 | likely, if you really are gonna blow up a building they'll probably know it before you do | Sep 19 06:37 |
| Ender2070 | unless you never use technology | Sep 19 06:37 |
| Ender2070 | homegrown | Sep 19 06:37 |
| TheMadHatter | Ah, but every time I've flown, I've carried a weapon, even though I was searched. | Sep 19 06:38 |
| Ender2070 | there was a time when I would have flown | Sep 19 06:39 |
| Ender2070 | im never stepping foot on an airplane unless they remove the naked body scanners | Sep 19 06:39 |
| TheMadHatter | The scanners aren't a big deal unless you are an idiot. | Sep 19 06:40 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 19 06:40 |
| Ender2070 | they save the pictures | Sep 19 06:40 |
| Ender2070 | even though they lied and said they wouldnt | Sep 19 06:41 |
| Ender2070 | xray radiation also accumulates, i doubt they bother testing that | Sep 19 06:41 |
| Ender2070 | one pass is all they test for | Sep 19 06:41 |
| Ender2070 | they dont tell you a lifetime of flight will give you cancer, but one or two are fine | Sep 19 06:41 |
| TheMadHatter | So? As I said, I always carry a weapon when I fly, am always inspected, and am always allowed to board with it. | Sep 19 06:42 |
| Ender2070 | im not saying you should blow up a plane :P | Sep 19 06:42 |
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| Ender2070 | whatever weapon you're going on with isnt enough of a threat | Sep 19 06:43 |
| Ender2070 | even though you could probably kill a pilot with table knife | Sep 19 06:43 |
| Ender2070 | might take a couple of minutes though you know | Sep 19 06:43 |
| TheMadHatter | And I wouldn't. I don't want to die. The weapon I carry is for defensive purposes. Anyone who tries to hijack a flight that I am on will die. | Sep 19 06:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Want to know when a major severe weather event is happening anywhere in the world? http://is.gd/fhuBq or http://is.gd/fhuBA | Sep 19 06:44 | |
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| Ender2070 | what weapon is that? | Sep 19 06:44 |
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| Ender2070 | lol @ weather info centre, btw | Sep 19 06:45 |
| Ender2070 | gotta love the weather, all of this technology, even the worlds fastest super computer is working on it | Sep 19 06:45 |
| Ender2070 | but we still dont have accurate weather | Sep 19 06:45 |
| TheMadHatter | That I won't say. I usually carry several. After 9/11 I vowed to never let a flight I was on be successfully hijacked. And I won't. | Sep 19 06:46 |
| Ender2070 | well | Sep 19 06:46 |
| Ender2070 | in less than 100 years of aviation history, the US has been attacked by hijackers on one day and people are still going nuts over it | Sep 19 06:47 |
| Ender2070 | you're more likely to get stuck by lightning | Sep 19 06:47 |
| Ender2070 | than be killed by a terrorist | Sep 19 06:47 |
| Ender2070 | heres a fun one | Sep 19 06:48 |
| Ender2070 | you're more likely to get struck by lightning, WHILE flying in a plane, vs getting killed by a terrorist in one | Sep 19 06:48 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 19 06:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Intel admits they could possibly be filing for bankruptcy in the future http://ur1.ca/1o4ol | Sep 19 06:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Intel wants to charge $50 to unlock stuff your CPU can already do -- Engadget .::. Size~: 64.8 KB | Sep 19 06:49 |
| TheMadHatter | Oh I agree. But I plan for the off chance that someone stupid will try. | Sep 19 06:50 |
| Ender2070 | diablod3 - amd does that too, and so do game developers. one game recently sold its download content and people wondered why the patch was only around 40KB in size | Sep 19 06:51 |
| Ender2070 | heh i remember soundblaster and asus doing that | Sep 19 06:53 |
| TheMadHatter | Hah. What's old is new. Return of the Hardcard. | Sep 19 06:53 |
| TheMadHatter | http://semiaccurate.com/2010/09/17/photofast-announce-1400mbs-pci-express-ssd/ | Sep 19 06:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SemiAccurate :: PhotoFast announces 1400MB/s PCI Express SSD .::. Size~: 21.62 KB | Sep 19 06:53 |
| Ender2070 | kik | Sep 19 06:54 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 19 06:54 |
| Ender2070 | "BY NOW WE can establish one thing, SSDs aren't going to get any slower." | Sep 19 06:54 |
| Ender2070 | or faster | Sep 19 06:54 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Sep 19 06:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | okay | Sep 19 06:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | so | Sep 19 06:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | intel can suck my nuts | Sep 19 06:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | [01:46:08] <TheMadHatter> That I won't say. I usually carry several. After 9/11 I vowed to never let a flight I was on be successfully hijacked. And I won't. | Sep 19 06:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | neither did those guys in Penn. | Sep 19 06:55 |
| TheMadHatter | It wasn't that long ago that everyone was buying hard cards. And now they are back. | Sep 19 06:55 |
| Ender2070 | intel can suck mine too | Sep 19 06:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder why everyone forgets the third hijacking on 9/11 | Sep 19 06:55 |
| Ender2070 | i bet you pirates crack the software though | Sep 19 06:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, fourth | Sep 19 06:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | so back to Intel | Sep 19 06:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | do they realize that everyone is just going to unlock their CPU? | Sep 19 06:57 |
| Ender2070 | probably | Sep 19 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, people do it to _broken_ chips | Sep 19 06:58 |
| Ender2070 | its a crying shame that AMD didn't man up and keep the anti trust suit rolling | Sep 19 06:58 |
| Ender2070 | now intel can do whatever it wants | Sep 19 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: they didnt have to | Sep 19 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD only did what they needed to do to make Intel stop suing them for making a better product | Sep 19 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | its up to the rest of the world to BUY that better product | Sep 19 06:58 |
| Ender2070 | however what better product is that | Sep 19 06:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | the fact Intel had to make up this gift card bullshit means AMD is winning | Sep 19 06:59 |
| TheMadHatter | Yes, AMD got what they wanted. Which means that ARM is the best hope we have. | Sep 19 06:59 |
| Ender2070 | not at all | Sep 19 06:59 |
| Ender2070 | AMD took a paycheque from intel to shut up | Sep 19 06:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: when was the last time Intel made a CPU that beat AMD at performance/price or performance/watt? | Sep 19 06:59 |
| Ender2070 | now they make their low end chips and intel can upsell upgrades to unlock features it already has | Sep 19 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | hint: the answer is a Pentium 3. | Sep 19 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD has long since been outpacing Intel. | Sep 19 07:00 |
| Ender2070 | Diablo-D3 - everything that competed with the phenom and phenom 2 | Sep 19 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | everything? so, nothing. | Sep 19 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | No i# chip has done so. | Sep 19 07:00 |
| Ender2070 | core2duo, core2quad and i7's | Sep 19 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, you cant go say c2d/c2q | Sep 19 07:00 |
| Ender2070 | Q6600 beats everything phenom 1 has | Sep 19 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | you gotta go compare those at original retail prices | Sep 19 07:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | otherwise every out of date hardware magically wins | Sep 19 07:01 |
| Ender2070 | nothing from the phenom 1 line beat the Q6xxx line | Sep 19 07:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | This is why you silly consumers fuck up | Sep 19 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | you never normalize data. | Sep 19 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: "beat" in what? | Sep 19 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | flat out power? | Sep 19 07:02 |
| Ender2070 | speed | Sep 19 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one cares about that | Sep 19 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | they want to get what they paid for | Sep 19 07:02 |
| Ender2070 | no tlb bug | Sep 19 07:02 |
| Ender2070 | no shitty chipsets | Sep 19 07:02 |
| TheMadHatter | Oh crap - it's 2:00 AM, I gotta run. Night all. | Sep 19 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | that "bug" didnt do what people thought it did. | Sep 19 07:03 |
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| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, you're clearly an Intel fanboy | Sep 19 07:03 |
| Ender2070 | no it just blue screened people | Sep 19 07:03 |
| Ender2070 | i used to be an amd fanboy | Sep 19 07:03 |
| Ender2070 | till the phenom 1 crushed my hopes in them | Sep 19 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | it bluescreened people who didnt apply the fix. | Sep 19 07:03 |
| *amarsh04 has more trouble with sata cables working loose than buggy chipsets | Sep 19 07:03 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they also replaced many of those tlb-hoarked phenom 1s with phenom 1s that wernt | Sep 19 07:03 |
| Ender2070 | intel would never release a cpu that crashed requiring a motherboard bios update | Sep 19 07:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, linux doesnt suffer from the tlb bug | Sep 19 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | only windows. | Sep 19 07:04 |
| Ender2070 | my customers used windows | Sep 19 07:04 |
| Ender2070 | and they were cheap fuckers who bought shitty boards too | Sep 19 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and intel wouldnt? | Sep 19 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | REALLY? | Sep 19 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | remember the pentium math bug? | Sep 19 07:04 |
| Ender2070 | they didnt know it and release it with the bug | Sep 19 07:04 |
| Ender2070 | they found out after | Sep 19 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD didnt know it. | Sep 19 07:05 |
| Ender2070 | amd knew it | Sep 19 07:05 |
| Ender2070 | yes they did | Sep 19 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | it didnt show up in their testing | Sep 19 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and unlike the pentium math bug, it was easy to fix | Sep 19 07:05 |
| Ender2070 | hah | Sep 19 07:05 |
| Ender2070 | i probably still have the email from amd | Sep 19 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | they became aware of the bug by the time retail boxed cpus were shipping | Sep 19 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | remember, computer manufs get CPUs up to 6 months early | Sep 19 07:06 |
| Ender2070 | i know | Sep 19 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | they were already in computers and shipping before AMD knew | Sep 19 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the fix is simple | Sep 19 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | either upgrade your bios, or have an OS that patches the bug itself | Sep 19 07:06 |
| Ender2070 | thats why some boards took months after retail release to fix it in their bios? | Sep 19 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | linux patches the bug automatically if you have a new enough OS. | Sep 19 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: no | Sep 19 07:07 |
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| Diablo-D3 | some board manufacturers just dont give a fuck | Sep 19 07:07 |
| Ender2070 | true | Sep 19 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | if this happened on intel, we'd still have the same problem | Sep 19 07:07 |
| Ender2070 | nah, intel does recalls | Sep 19 07:07 |
| Ender2070 | amd just changes the model name | Sep 19 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont recall other people's boards. | Sep 19 07:07 |
| Ender2070 | the cpu itself | Sep 19 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | they did | Sep 19 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | any leftover stock was sent back | Sep 19 07:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD replaced it with fixed CPUs | Sep 19 07:08 |
| Ender2070 | some ended up being X3's | Sep 19 07:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you owned a retail boxed cpu, you could send it back too | Sep 19 07:08 |
| Ender2070 | modified firmware and disabled cores | Sep 19 07:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and most manufs would work with you under warrenty to get it fixed | Sep 19 07:09 |
| Ender2070 | under warrantly sucks | Sep 19 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not like AMD fucked people over here | Sep 19 07:09 |
| Ender2070 | shipping shit around is a pain in the ass | Sep 19 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | there should be no broken CPUs left out there | Sep 19 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | but look at Intel | Sep 19 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | they never recalled the math bug CPUs | Sep 19 07:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just sent out a software patch | Sep 19 07:09 |
| Ender2070 | amd is still behind in fab technology | Sep 19 07:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD isnt behind | Sep 19 07:10 |
| Ender2070 | really | Sep 19 07:10 |
| Ender2070 | what are they at now | Sep 19 07:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel _needs_ to use one step smaller because their chips are badly designed and want to overheat. | Sep 19 07:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD's design simply doesn't require it. | Sep 19 07:10 |
| amarsh04 | I went off AMD for a while due to an NE2100 nic that died and someone at work frying their early athlon. I liked the 386DX40 they had, and am happy with the athlon-64 and later | Sep 19 07:11 |
| Ender2070 | nice way to spin that one | Sep 19 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: AMD does every other size | Sep 19 07:11 |
| Ender2070 | they are one step smaller because intel has more money in R&D | Sep 19 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | it reduces the cost of fabbing by a fair bit | Sep 19 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | not really one step behind | Sep 19 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | its kind of absurd to say that | Sep 19 07:11 |
| Ender2070 | it is | Sep 19 07:11 |
| Ender2070 | they are behind | Sep 19 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel doesnt know how to develop chips, so they have to continually waste money | Sep 19 07:12 |
| Ender2070 | intel got ahead of them by faking their quad cores | Sep 19 07:12 |
| Ender2070 | while amd made natives that were still slower | Sep 19 07:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD is currently shipping 45nm, Intel is currently shipping 45nm and very early 32nm. | Sep 19 07:13 |
| Ender2070 | A intel Q6600 (2.4Ghz) overclocked to 3.0Ghz (with stock cooling, running at stock temps :P), would outperform every AMD we through at it from the phenom 1 series | Sep 19 07:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | they JUST started shipping very high end 32nm parts. | Sep 19 07:13 |
| Ender2070 | this was at Canada Computers | Sep 19 07:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its not like AMD is behind here. | Sep 19 07:13 |
| Ender2070 | they aren't shipping 32nm | Sep 19 07:14 |
| Ender2070 | = behind | Sep 19 07:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | they are skipping 32nm | Sep 19 07:14 |
| Ender2070 | good for them, they won't have the most efficient cpu | Sep 19 07:14 |
| Ender2070 | untill then | Sep 19 07:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | their cpu is already more efficient than Intel's 32nm shit. | Sep 19 07:14 |
| Ender2070 | bullshit | Sep 19 07:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | efficiency is measured as performance/watt | Sep 19 07:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel really fucked up with i7s. | Sep 19 07:15 |
| Ender2070 | ill test you with a voltage meter any day | Sep 19 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and btw, that 32nm part is their 6 core shit | Sep 19 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | all their normal consumer stuff is still 45 | Sep 19 07:15 |
| Ender2070 | by the time amd has 32nm, intel will have smaller | Sep 19 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD isnt doing 32 | Sep 19 07:16 |
| Ender2070 | whats next | Sep 19 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're going straight to 22 afiak | Sep 19 07:16 |
| Ender2070 | intel had 45nm last year | Sep 19 07:16 |
| Ender2070 | i bet you intel has 22 or better before amd | Sep 19 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | So what? | Sep 19 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | fab size is an expense. | Sep 19 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | If it doesn't bring enough performance/watt change, its not worth the money. | Sep 19 07:17 |
| Ender2070 | a smaller chip requires less power | Sep 19 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD is smarter than you, thats for sure. | Sep 19 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | sure, less power, but requires more money. | Sep 19 07:17 |
| Ender2070 | thats why intel cpus cost more | Sep 19 07:17 |
| Ender2070 | amd is selling you overclocked old technology | Sep 19 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, and thats why intel fails performance/cost | Sep 19 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD continually makes CPUs that have more efficient designs | Sep 19 07:18 |
| Ender2070 | if price isn't my limiting factor, i'd take intel any day | Sep 19 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | thus dont need to keep throwing out perfectly good fabs. | Sep 19 07:18 |
| Ender2070 | personally ill buy AMD at home | Sep 19 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | price is _always_ a factor | Sep 19 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not going to buy a $1000 cpu, I dont care what Intel thinks | Sep 19 07:18 |
| Ender2070 | a large business will | Sep 19 07:18 |
| Ender2070 | they aren't cheapos like us | Sep 19 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | a large business will not. | Sep 19 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | they will buy what is most cost effective. | Sep 19 07:19 |
| Ender2070 | then why is intel crushing amd? | Sep 19 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | intel isnt | Sep 19 07:19 |
| Ender2070 | it is more cost effective | Sep 19 07:19 |
| Ender2070 | sure they pay more for the cpu itself | Sep 19 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD sells more to enterprise than Intel does. | Sep 19 07:19 |
| Ender2070 | they save money by using less electricity | Sep 19 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | more electricity, actually | Sep 19 07:19 |
| Ender2070 | more performance per watt | Sep 19 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | since they have to buy more intel machines to keep up | Sep 19 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | or buy very expensive high watt parts | Sep 19 07:20 |
| Ender2070 | intels stuff is faster | Sep 19 07:20 |
| Ender2070 | are you talking on the server? | Sep 19 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | intel's stuff that IS faster costs more watts for the performance you get. | Sep 19 07:20 |
| Ender2070 | opteron wins there | Sep 19 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, Im going to eat. | Sep 19 07:20 |
| Ender2070 | ill agree on the server | Sep 19 07:20 |
| Ender2070 | fastest super computer in the world has half a million operton cores | Sep 19 07:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] The most powerful word in the human vocabulary: Perspective http://blog.sokanu.com/the-most-powerful-word-in-the-human-vocabular #interestin | Sep 19 07:22 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | Ender2070: actually | Sep 19 07:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | it had a bunch of ati gpus in it too | Sep 19 07:24 |
| Ender2070 | but i do like intel as a company better, they are more open, they actually provide their own open source drivers (not requirng the community to build them for them), they are also an intel gold partner | Sep 19 07:24 |
| Ender2070 | amd is linux silver partner, they also help novell | Sep 19 07:25 |
| Ender2070 | but after today | Sep 19 07:25 |
| Ender2070 | my faith is shaken | Sep 19 07:25 |
| Ender2070 | cpu upgrades, $50 | Sep 19 07:25 |
| Ender2070 | fuck that | Sep 19 07:25 |
| Ender2070 | fuck all of x86 and x86_64 | Sep 19 07:26 |
| Ender2070 | they're all crooks | Sep 19 07:27 |
| Ender2070 | and its all bullshit | Sep 19 07:29 |
| Ender2070 | the miltiary gets to play around with quantum cpus | Sep 19 07:29 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Talking About EGL In Mesa On Linux: A few days back I reported on the first operating system where you may see the... http://bit.ly/cjj1Ng | Sep 19 08:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Intel + DRM: a crippled processor that you have to pay extra to unlock - http://bit.ly/d0mdr3 "fundamentally anti-private-property" #intel | Sep 19 09:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Facebook Is Secretly Building A Phone - http://tcrn.ch/aTYHBd the ultimate walled garden #facebook #mobile | Sep 19 09:24 | |
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| schestowitz | [06:16] <Ender2070> with 90+% of the desktop market | Sep 19 09:24 |
| schestowitz | How much of it are they actually making money on? | Sep 19 09:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] PostgreSQL 9.0 Is Now Available: While we have yet to see any official release announcement, if you browse the Pos... http://bit.ly/9ZtVTg | Sep 19 09:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @diablod3 Intel admits they could possibly be filing for bankruptcy in the future http://ur1.ca/1o4ol | Sep 19 09:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Interesting, an old article I'd written on Linux RPG's has taken a big hit of readers... http://tinyurl.com/yegbe2v !rpg !linux !foss | Sep 19 09:39 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/14/google_buys_quicksee/ | Sep 19 09:40 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] Attended a seemanthm ( http://www.narthaki.com/hplinks/seemantm.html ) of my colleague's wife :-) #sunday | Sep 19 09:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] !Python !GNU !Linux thinking of writing an !gnome applet, to make SSH tunnels easy, anybody know if something like that exist? | Sep 19 09:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] Facebook Is Secretly Building A Phone http://is.gd/fhHyo | Sep 19 10:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @schestowitz RT @diablod3 Intel admits they could possibly be filing for bankruptcy in the future http://ur1.ca/1o4ol | Sep 19 10:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @glynmoody Intel + DRM: a crippled processor that you have to pay extra to unlock - http://bit.ly/d0mdr3 "fundamentally anti-private- ... | Sep 19 10:15 | |
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| schestowitz | Stupid company | Sep 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz | Supported OOXML | Sep 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz | USed in my Pal | Sep 19 10:37 |
| schestowitz | *Palm | Sep 19 10:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Autism’s First Child http://ur1.ca/1o9xz | Sep 19 11:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] DId anyone notice Google's new Google Instant commercial accidently lists "the man in the trenchcoat mafia"? Doh. | Sep 19 11:14 | |
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| cubevector | I should learn to keep flash turned off | Sep 19 11:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Prof. Richard Dawkins Advocates the Use of BitTorrent - http://bit.ly/dhRxI2 what an all-round sound chap #bittorrent #dawkins | Sep 19 11:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] OSS Watch National Software Survey 2010 on open source across FE and HE - http://bit.ly/btbPxp (via @mberry) #opensource #education | Sep 19 11:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Police chief issues call to decriminalise cannabis and redirect resources - http://bit.ly/dv48BL another voice - but when will they listen? | Sep 19 12:00 | |
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| schestowitz | PJ about Mageia: "I'm so excited about this news. I'm in! Totally. I've been hoping for this since Gaël Duval left, actually." | Sep 19 12:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Is there a !gstm for !Fedora (Gnome SSH Tunnel Manager)? | Sep 19 12:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Hashtag for next weekends #ossbarcamp is #ossbc some of the talks will be videoed also /by @czajkowski | Sep 19 12:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Most of the greatest advocates for #humanrights & equality have not been Christians. /by @KarenMMcCormack | Sep 19 12:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Guardian is now funded by Bill Gates. RIP, Guardian and shame on those who run the paper. | Sep 19 12:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gates Funds Guardian News Site, Which Then Profiles Melinda Gates? http://ur1.ca/1ob29 Guardian seems rogue now | Sep 19 12:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "What looks bad is the rapidity with which the Guardian moved to write a glowing article about one of its financial benefactors." -Paulson | Sep 19 12:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just when people are led into believing that someone 'leaving' Microsoft means less damage rather than more... | Sep 19 12:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] The White House explores crowdsourcing as a problem-solving resource: http://challenge.gov/ | Sep 19 12:59 | |
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| good morning | Sep 19 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | Hi | Sep 19 13:37 |
| Slashdot had a trolly story yesterday about an apparently failed migration http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/09/18/0239243/Swiss-Canton-Abandons-Linux-Migration?from=rss | Sep 19 13:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slashdot Linux Story | Swiss Canton Abandons Linux Migration .::. Size~: 182.34 KB | Sep 19 13:38 |
| any idea what that is all about? | Sep 19 13:38 | |
| schestowitz | What's the rebuttal to it? | Sep 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz | I didn't see the commentrs | Sep 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Someone in identica linked to this | Sep 19 13:39 |
| I did not look into it, comments at Slashdot are not reliable or easy to look through | Sep 19 13:39 | |
| schestowitz | The story did not mention intervention by Microsoft (could be omission) | Sep 19 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they were offered a 'special deal', but one needs to ask those at the scenes, not epeculate | Sep 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft did this in Munich | Sep 19 13:40 |
| Do you know the author? I'm susupicious. | Sep 19 13:40 | |
| "Open Source" at Heise | Sep 19 13:40 | |
| schestowitz | To send a "Warning" example to anyone else who 'dares' to show a Linux success story | Sep 19 13:40 |
| is it another one of those fake Open Source columns | Sep 19 13:40 | |
| ? | Sep 19 13:40 | |
| schestowitz | Heise is relaible | Sep 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | No, not fake | Sep 19 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Worth seeing what people on the scene have to say | Sep 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | And to what extent this is true | Sep 19 13:41 |
| schestowitz | There was a similar story last week in France | Sep 19 13:41 |
| I could not tell because I don't read German and the translated page is gibberish | Sep 19 13:41 | |
| What does come out of the story does not make much sense. The revolts are over applications, most of which probably won't run on Windows 7 which they run back to. | Sep 19 13:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] ♺ @jerezim: To illustrate your posts about the #GalloReport: http://ur1.ca/1obc4 #CopyrightRepression (call! http://ur1.ca/0juns) → I ♥ it | Sep 19 13:42 | |
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| Heise also mentioned Outlook, which is a real piece of garbage. It's hard to imagine someone making something that sucks worse than Outlook. | Sep 19 13:43 | |
| schestowitz | Lockin | Sep 19 13:43 |
| schestowitz | But... | Sep 19 13:43 |
| schestowitz | They need to invest to escape it | Sep 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Similar story in Vienna | Sep 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Question is, why was the CIO resigning? | Sep 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Was he pressure like Quinn for example? | Sep 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft often puts some moles around these people and then cause them trouble | Sep 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Gates Foundation does the same thing | Sep 19 13:44 |
| schestowitz | They toss out those who stand in its way | Sep 19 13:44 |
| Lockin is trouble but the sooner you get out, the more you save. | Sep 19 13:45 | |
| and it's not so bad | Sep 19 13:45 | |
| schestowitz | Or cut their research funding | Sep 19 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Well... | Sep 19 13:45 |
| schestowitz | All I can say is, if you find out something beyond what /, say, let us know | Sep 19 13:45 |
| schestowitz | It's a Heise/Slashdot information 'monopoly' on this story | Sep 19 13:46 |
| I'm working in a Windows office and I'm able to get what I need from legacy apps through Windows terminal services. | Sep 19 13:46 | |
| schestowitz | I didn't get to see an independent report... yet | Sep 19 13:46 |
| OK, thanks, that's what I wanted to know. There are a lot o missing details and the problems I mentioned above. | Sep 19 13:47 | |
| Windows 7 will bring all sorts of pain to places using XP. I can't imagine how nasty a move from gnu/linux to Windows 7 would be. | Sep 19 13:48 | |
| I'm told that both samba and rdp are broken in Vista/Windows 7, so gnu/linux won't work in a place like that - complete shut out. | Sep 19 13:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Redefining the Great Wall - http://bit.ly/axmhF9 "more accurately translated into English as 'The Great Town'": interesting #china | Sep 19 13:49 | |
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| ok, comments from Slashdot. Maxwell's Demon says, "Note that 80% of the users were satisfied with the new desktop, and a further 10% just complained about transient problems." | Sep 19 13:53 | |
| Another big mistake, they made the decision to migrate in 2001 but only started to migrate in 2006. That gave the Microsoft people lots of time to make trouble. | Sep 19 14:00 | |
| schestowitz | <twitter> OK, thanks, that's what I wanted to know. There are a lot o missing details and the problems I mentioned above. | Sep 19 14:01 |
| schestowitz | I haven't even mentioned this yet | Sep 19 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Not a single article in English | Sep 19 14:01 |
| schestowitz | twitter: maybe you can accumulate this info | Sep 19 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Then write an article with link to backing claim | Sep 19 14:02 |
| schestowitz | To post a rebuttal to this piece, which is in German only | Sep 19 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Readers would appreciate the other side | Sep 19 14:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @pookito I think it would be a shame to see an established distro like Mandriva disappear. It has a sound community. | Sep 19 14:02 | |
| I can look around, but I think information will be lacking in English. | Sep 19 14:02 | |
| Like I said, it's very trolly. | Sep 19 14:03 | |
| schestowitz | There's already one thing of importance | Sep 19 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Like how many people were pleased | Sep 19 14:14 |
| schestowitz | But I don't have links | Sep 19 14:14 |
| schestowitz | And it needs to be suimmarised concisely, I think | Sep 19 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Then we can published a more complete story | Sep 19 14:15 |
| I hate Slashdot's nasty java script. It does not work with Konq 3.5, so I have to pull up iceweasel. | Sep 19 14:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @pookito So far it looks like they're getting pretty organised and the future looks good if they can maintain the same standard. | Sep 19 14:22 | |
| Here's an interesting comment from an AC. The problem with Linux and (F)OSS in Switzerland is manifold:- Microsoft has a strong lobbying group in Switzerland that figuratively "bought" several members of the parliament (even members of the socialist party, e.g. Mrs Pascale Bruderer, who worked for Microsoft Switzerland for a couple of years) | Sep 19 14:23 | |
| - Microsoft's tentacles even reach out to the Federal Council (Microsoft has strong ties to the current President of the Swiss Confederation, Mrs Doris Leuthard) | Sep 19 14:23 | |
| - Mr Stefan Meierhans, Swiss "Preisüberwacher" ("Mr Price", chief of one of the Swiss antitrust authorities), is a former PR expert and lobbyist of Microsoft Switzerland. He was appointed by Mrs Doris Leuthard (surprise, surprise). | Sep 19 14:23 | |
| - A couple of days ago, Mrs Leuthard announced the establishment of a new eEconomy Board [e-economy.ch] organization that is supposed to offer IT advice to the Swiss government and its related organizations. The appointed chief of this organization is the current CEO of Microsoft Switzerland, Mr Peter Waser. Other representatives of big US closed source software vendors are part of the board, but not a single representative of a local ope | Sep 19 14:23 | |
| end interesting comment | Sep 19 14:24 | |
| Maxwells Demon again, "The windows data base they were speaking about was a product named "Konsul" (a proprietary data base developed by a swiss company). No, I didn't hear about that data base before either (I had to google it to find out it was a swiss product, although I suspected it due to the name), and of course it got lost in the Google translation." | Sep 19 14:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] “Sent from Ubuntu” signature to be added to all mail sent from Evolution? http://ur1.ca/1obu3 (via @omgubuntu) | Sep 19 14:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] http://ur1.ca/1obud - Report of the #iRail meet-up 17th of September. Thanks for showing up, we'll keep you posted | Sep 19 14:30 | |
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| schestowitz | twitter: could you summarise all these points? | Sep 19 14:31 |
| schestowitz | I can make a reader's article based on that today | Sep 19 14:31 |
| schestowitz | To counter the AstroTurfing I see with this story | Sep 19 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Switzerland's govt. was sued | Sep 19 14:31 |
| often quoted troll hairyfeet talks about how cheap windows is, how wonderful AD is and how gnu/linux is only good for niche applications. | Sep 19 14:31 | |
| schestowitz | For signing illegally a Microsoft deal | Sep 19 14:32 |
| hmm, I'm short on time and don't think I can get it done today. | Sep 19 14:32 | |
| schestowitz | OK, maybe later? | Sep 19 14:32 |
| schestowitz | It's maybe a case ... | Sep 19 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Never mind | Sep 19 14:32 |
| schestowitz | I'll use what you put here | Sep 19 14:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] it seems like folks at #diaspora forgot the principle "release early, release often" http://is.gd/fhZ2l | Sep 19 14:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] watching #Discovery's Into the Universe with #StephenHawking on our !dreambox http://is.gd/fhZ52 | Sep 19 14:32 | |
| schestowitz | And summaris that | Sep 19 14:32 |
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| thanks, I'm busy moving. | Sep 19 14:32 | |
| schestowitz_log | ok | Sep 19 14:33 |
| I've lived in this house for nine years and have lots of junk to pack. | Sep 19 14:33 | |
| schestowitz | I'll use the quotes and all | Sep 19 14:33 |
| schestowitz | From the logger | Sep 19 14:33 |
| check you latter, thanks for all the good work. | Sep 19 14:33 | |
| schestowitz | I'm putting the log aside to arrange later | Sep 19 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Lots of posts next week... | Sep 19 14:33 |
| I do make time to read. :) | Sep 19 14:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] RhythmArty – Banshee style album browsing for Rhythmbox http://goo.gl/fb/e5jOU #ubuntu (via @omgubuntu) | Sep 19 14:34 | |
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| schestowitz | Gates has killed the Guardian... | Sep 19 14:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] seems the !dreambox stream also works on my !maemo based #n810 and #n900 using MPlayer | Sep 19 14:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Now Steve Jobs Is Having An Email Pissing Match with A College Journalism Student http://ur1.ca/1oc2k | Sep 19 14:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In Search of the Full Story About Swiss Canton and #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/1oc5l memories return in #Switzerland | Sep 19 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] More ddos attacks to come in 4 hours time? http://tinyurl.com/338k7ab !acslaw !bpi !riaa | Sep 19 15:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Internet?" "So wias die leut sogn, ist do viel drin" - #ochsentoni bei #wiesngauditv - Sehr lustig! http://is.gd/fi2uR | Sep 19 15:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] http://wp.me/pImPT-dH (Arabic) my favorite !fs programs/activists: emacs, mutt, ffmpeg, statusnet, firefox, rms, eben, bkuhn, mako and evan | Sep 19 15:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Edubuntu 10.10 Installer is Also Getting a Full Overhaul http://goo.gl/UuyZ | Sep 19 15:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] WTF why does One Piece 467 has a huge ass recap! !anime | Sep 19 15:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #Minitube 1.2 Beta Released, Adds Video Downloads, Gnome Multimedia Keys Support http://goo.gl/Jv4l | Sep 19 16:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: "Sent from Ubuntu" signature to be added to Evolution [Poll] http://goo.gl/71bA | Sep 19 16:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Internet as a human right - http://bit.ly/cLJcMB "I count myself as an Internet exceptionalist." #net #neutrality #rights | Sep 19 16:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @davidmarsden Dimitar Berbatov is now a !ManUtd player. | Sep 19 16:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Northern Lights over Prelude Lake http://ur1.ca/1oczz #APOD | Sep 19 16:34 | |
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| TheMad | Lots up in Switzerland I see. | Sep 19 16:47 |
| TheMad | Anyway, rumor is that Anonymous is going to attack the RIAA with Low Orbit Ion Cannons at 3:00 Eastern Time today. | Sep 19 16:48 |
| TheMad | http://torrentfreak.com/4chan-to-ddos-riaa-next-is-this-the-protest-of-the-future-100919/ | Sep 19 16:48 |
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| TheMad | Funny thing is that when you read the article it ties into GM crops, international arms manufacturers, and animal research establishments. | Sep 19 16:51 |
| TheMad | It also references an article in the Independent, but doesn't link to it. Thanks to Google I have the link | Sep 19 16:53 |
| TheMad | http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/how-heathrows-lawyer-has-made-a-career-of-opposing-right-to-protest-460233.html | Sep 19 16:53 |
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| TheMad | FYI, Torrent Freak also has an article about Richard Dawkins and his documentary on religious schools | Sep 19 16:54 |
| TheMad | http://torrentfreak.com/prof-richard-dawkins-advocates-the-use-of-bittorrent-100919/ | Sep 19 16:54 |
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| TheMad | And Nina Paley gave a talk at Hope2010 | Sep 19 16:54 |
| TheMad | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n04IeQo4RCQ&feature=autofb | Sep 19 16:54 |
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| TheMad | which will have the MPAA freaking out. | Sep 19 16:55 |
| TheMad | And the X-Prize winners have been announced | Sep 19 16:55 |
| TheMad | http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/09/16/automobiles/20100916-xprize-1.html | Sep 19 16:55 |
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| TheMad | Have fun with that stuff. Wayne | Sep 19 16:56 |
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| Ziomatrix | greetings | Sep 19 16:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] via @WebUpd8@twitter.com search engine Cuil is gone, two years after launch: http://bit.ly/cgH8Ag | Sep 19 17:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sent from Ubuntu signature to be added to Evolution [Poll] http://ur1.ca/1obu3 How about "Sent from GNU/Linux (Ubuntu)"? | Sep 19 17:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I am hoping to start a postdoc on cardiac MR next month | Sep 19 17:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] AKA CEO has boradmeeting with management from local office http://bbc.in/9Qf4V8 | Sep 19 17:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Some people send me E-mail despite me saying that I rarely use it anymore. Best to use microblogging/IRC for speedy, real-time comms. | Sep 19 17:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] DWG Cad on Linux - Draftsight and Ares Commander http://ur1.ca/1ode6 CAD and Linux in the same sentence. Times change. | Sep 19 17:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] China-centric Android OS – ‘Tapas’ already on Sharp phones http://ur1.ca/1o4aw !Linux gets many new names/identities | Sep 19 17:14 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/50862218#notice-51285676 "@seeds glad to hear it's not just me because sometimes it feels like I get heat from people for turning my back on E-mail (old tech)" | Sep 19 17:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: several years ago I tried a German professional cad package in Linux but can't remember its name. | Sep 19 17:17 | |
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| schestowitz | Too bad Wave is kind of dead | Sep 19 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I never got to try it. The boxed thing seems like a loser's compromise from Google's staff ("look, you didn't work in vain") | Sep 19 17:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: I have just checked through mail, the cad firm was Schroer GmbH | Sep 19 17:22 | |
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| Ender2070 | apparently thinking is bad for you now | Sep 19 17:33 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11340881 | Sep 19 17:33 |
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| Ender2070 | awesome, from the BBC - government | Sep 19 17:34 |
| Ender2070 | ridiiculous | Sep 19 17:34 |
| Ender2070 | typo | Sep 19 17:34 |
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| Ziomatrix | Ender2070: relax we'll take care of you, mwahahaha | Sep 19 17:41 |
| Ziomatrix | Ender2070: well of course people who think enough are depressed because they see all the problems in this world. There's nothing too scientific about it from the onset. | Sep 19 17:42 |
| Ziomatrix | "She added that they hope they may be able to improve patients' ability to recognise (typo its recognize) that they have an illness and to remember to take their medication." Yay for mind control | Sep 19 17:45 |
| Ziomatrix | perhaps they need this research to make sure BBC editors do their job ;) | Sep 19 17:45 |
| abeNd-org1 | i think that is still a valid spelling | Sep 19 17:47 |
| Ziomatrix | abeNd-org1: perhaps, like colour and color | Sep 19 17:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Scurvy errors walk th' plank! Unicorn, W3C's unified validatARRR! http://ping.fm/1tw8L #tlapd | Sep 19 17:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How Heathrow's lawyer has made a career of opposing right to protest http://ur1.ca/1odrn old but important | Sep 19 17:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @lnxwalt140 via @WebUpd8@twitter.com search engine Cuil is gone, two years after launch: http://bit.ly/cgH8Ag | Sep 19 17:55 | |
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| schestowitz | [17:33] <Ender2070> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11340881 | Sep 19 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | They sounds some old crack who say it | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Then they say " | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | <li><h5><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/09/16/automobiles/20100916-xprize-1.html" rel="nofollow">X Prize Winners Announced</a></h5> | Sep 19 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | <blockquote>Edison2, a company based in Lynchburg, Va., won the $5 million top prize with its Edison2 Very Light Car. The competition was broken up into two classes: Mainstream, which was for four-seat vehicles, and Alternative, which had two divisions: two-seats side-by-side and two seats in a tandem, fighter-jet configuration.</blockquote></li> | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | oops | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Then they say "scientists" | Sep 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Which means it sounds like all/most scientists | Sep 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | 2 scientists say "9/11 was an inside job" -> BBC: 9/11 was an inside job, say scientists :-) | Sep 19 17:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera yeah, I think many CAD users in Europe are on Linux cause a German company which makes CAD software wrote about it in 2008, twice | Sep 19 17:57 | |
| schestowitz | [17:45] <Ziomatrix> "She added that they hope they may be able to improve patients' ability to recognise (typo its recognize) that they have an illness and to remember to take their medication." Yay for mind control | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Remember that dissidence is illness | Sep 19 17:58 |
| schestowitz | I've seen how people's whose views on society were "different" got labeled "in need of help" | Sep 19 17:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Wikipedia deletionism again snuffing out enthusiasm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/OpenIndiana | Sep 19 17:59 | |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: and apparently anyone who questions a legal contract even from a private business that states it will always be subject to change is somehow crazy | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | In China, opposition to the government gets arrested and sent away to mental institutes | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | It's well known | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | In Russia they can just kill them, too | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Or call them "pirates" | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | One call to Microsoft lawyers | Sep 19 17:59 |
| schestowitz | And they haul you with your computers which has licensed Windows but no longer the sticker :-) | Sep 19 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I don't get your last point | Sep 19 18:01 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: well its based on the recent US 9th Circuit Court ruling that a EULA stating that you cannot resell a copy even if it was never installed and the person never came into contact with the agreement is still legally binding before it was consented: http://tinyurl.com/38r66ry | Sep 19 18:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: No, you don't own it: Court upholds EULAs, threatens digital resale .::. Size~: 32.38 KB | Sep 19 18:02 |
| Ziomatrix | http://tinyurl.com/2dy844u | Sep 19 18:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The EULA you click may not be the one in effect .::. Size~: 35.05 KB | Sep 19 18:03 |
| Ziomatrix | I hope more precedents concerning EULAs turn out like this one: http://tinyurl.com/2d4zxhw | Sep 19 18:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Game-addicted man scores rare win over software lawyers • The Register .::. Size~: 26.24 KB | Sep 19 18:05 |
| Ziomatrix | ok thats the wrong link, but an interesting one none the less | Sep 19 18:06 |
| Ziomatrix | I was looking for another case but I suppose this one has similar repercussions: http://tinyurl.com/2ao8km8 It means that hopefully one day any EULA that states that it is subject to change within its entirety or even a large section renders the entire agreement legally void | Sep 19 18:08 |
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| Ender2071 | communism at work | Sep 19 18:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] أقصد "ناهيك" | Sep 19 18:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @andyc !manutd Berbatov - what a lazy f*cker. Get rid now :-) http://therepublikofmancunia.com/what-a-lazy-bleep/ | Sep 19 18:14 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2071: not book-case communism | Sep 19 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Few at the top | Sep 19 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Many at the bottom | Sep 19 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Almost nothing in between | Sep 19 18:16 |
| schestowitz | But they stopped pretending its democracy too, now with campaign funding all that | Sep 19 18:17 |
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| sebsebseb | HI | Sep 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Any news? | Sep 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | OMGUbuntu has a suggestion floating about "sent from Ubuntu" | Sep 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Which strikes me as a way to piss of many people | Sep 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | *off | Sep 19 18:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] The Linux Outlaws forums are back up at the new URL http://forums.linuxoutlaws.com - server move is pretty much complete now. | Sep 19 18:29 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Oh whats that? | Sep 19 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | The news is still mageia at the moment for me :) | Sep 19 18:33 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: well every time I send an email on my Pre it always tries to put the signature, "sent from a Palm Pre." Of course I can always change the signature in settings | Sep 19 18:33 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: they also insist on advertising Facebook posts with, "Sent from a WebOS device." Just like how Apple has "Sent from an iPhone." I wonder if you can change those? | Sep 19 18:34 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: but yea putting Ubuntu before Linux when it wasn't previously is definitely a way to dismay many open source developers. But it does increase mindshare, at the expense of other distros. :-P | Sep 19 18:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @sixgun bigger server for bigger demand? | Sep 19 18:35 | |
| Ziomatrix | sebsebseb: I'm wondering how Mageia turns out as well | Sep 19 18:35 |
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| sebsebseb | Ziomatrix: I think it will be great | Sep 19 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | Ziomatrix: plus they will listen to the community and all that :) | Sep 19 18:36 |
| Ziomatrix | sebsebseb: it will be like Linux Mint, without all the political fud | Sep 19 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | Ziomatrix: it won't be like Mint, it will be better tham Mint :) ,but yes it will be a community distro, rather than commercial | Sep 19 18:37 |
| hazzy | What will? | Sep 19 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: Magiea | Sep 19 18:37 |
| hazzy | Oh, yes | Sep 19 18:37 |
| hazzy | I'm looking forward to that too | Sep 19 18:37 |
| Ziomatrix | sebsebseb: I'm curious what is going to happen to Illumos | Sep 19 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | Ziomatrix: ah yes soemone wanted me to tell him about that last night from magiea channel, but I coudn't remember the name | Sep 19 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | anyway back in a bit guys | Sep 19 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | IRC is to easy to get sucked in on using, and I want to do something else | Sep 19 18:38 |
| hazzy | Roger | Sep 19 18:38 |
| Ziomatrix | sebsebseb: certain more addicting then TV | Sep 19 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah | Sep 19 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | seems so | Sep 19 18:39 |
| Ziomatrix | ciao | Sep 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | [18:37] <sebsebseb> hazzy: Magiea | Sep 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | I like PCLOS | Sep 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | I'll look into both | Sep 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: it's persistent in IRC | Sep 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | But you can leave it open in the side | Sep 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Then rely on highlights | Sep 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes don't watch it for hours, like if I'm doing work or go out. I catch up later, which is more fun that catching up with E-mail cause you don't need to reply | Sep 19 18:47 |
| hazzy | I tried PCLOS, but there's something about it that just doesn't seem the same as Mandriva (aside from using apt) | Sep 19 18:48 |
| hazzy | Maybe it's just that Mandriva looks better OOTB IMO | Sep 19 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | hazzy: KDE | Sep 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE is good for KDE too | Sep 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | But it's SUSE | Sep 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Which leaves Mandriva+variants | Sep 19 18:52 |
| hazzy | And I hear that uh...OpenSUSE's package manager sucks | Sep 19 18:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] s/noticed/notices/ | Sep 19 18:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 4chan to DDoS RIAA Next – Is This the Protest of the Future? - http://bit.ly/9KyNsd but does it really help? #4chan #riaa #ddos | Sep 19 18:55 | |
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| schestowitz | hazzy: yeah, I was gonna mention that | Sep 19 18:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody it will make 4chan popular. Nobody likes the front groups of Sony, Warner, etc. | Sep 19 18:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] finished tow days of hard work for #wiesngauditv - check the results, I was the cameraman for the new videos :-) http://wiesngaudi.tv/ | Sep 19 19:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Logged in again just to post this. "Berbatov" is trendning on twitter :D !manutd !football | Sep 19 19:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Good hiking at ulmstead park, raleigh, with friends. Looking for to a hhh run on Monday. #fb | Sep 19 19:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] can anyone else get onto the mint irc at irc.spotchat.org #linuxmint-help or is it a problem at my edn? | Sep 19 19:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Its seems now that the trolls really have run out of idea's. Check their comments on my site, I think this is the best they do... | Sep 19 19:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Oh and sorry guys, your attempts to silence me have failed....and there will be no moderation either..I don't censor. | Sep 19 19:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Right, moving on. Got my !Audacity issue sorted which has enabled me to better sort my oggcast into a far more presentable result.... | Sep 19 19:40 | |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: From vm trying of PCLOS that's Gnome and KDE versions, I get put off, since the branding and default theme, yes stuff can be changed, but I like good defaults | Sep 19 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | Technically though PCLOS is meant to be very good | Sep 19 19:42 |
| hazzy | Yes, I agree. Probably explains why I like Mandriva loads better | Sep 19 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: and yeah I put Mandriva on here last November or whenever it was, because it looked great | Sep 19 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | plus the old Grub and all that | Sep 19 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | plus it had been a distro I had been wanting to try on real hardware for a while anyway | Sep 19 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: XFCE and Enlightment versions for PCLOS probably look quite a lot better by default | Sep 19 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | however seriosuly their logo? a goat or whatever it is, what the? | Sep 19 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | and then the way they do the PC Linux OS text as well, doesn't look that great really | Sep 19 19:44 |
| hazzy | Hm, though I haven't tried Enlightenment | Sep 19 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | and the Plymouth theme sucks big time compared to Mandriva's | Sep 19 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: yeah I haven't done XFCE or Enlightment or LXDE yet for PCLOS in a vm, but from screenshot they look ok. | Sep 19 19:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Hoping to go for http://www.swh3.com/nexthash.html sir raleigh hhh's run on Monday. #fb | Sep 19 19:45 | |
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| sebsebseb | also for people that want IRC support, I mean PCLOS IRC is ok, but support and such is mainly done on the forums | Sep 19 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | so not really the best distro if needing a lot of IRC support | Sep 19 19:46 |
| hazzy | Agreed | Sep 19 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | then yeah the community magazine in PDF, which is nice, but I don't think I ever downloaded one yet | Sep 19 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: so yeah I hope this mageia looks good by default | Sep 19 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | and yes default looks do matter a lot | Sep 19 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | as well as default apps, take Ubuntu for example, loads of people really care about the defaults for Ubuntu | Sep 19 19:47 |
| hazzy | Well, yea, when I first started using Ubuntu, I hated Clearlooks | Sep 19 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu was your first distro? | Sep 19 19:48 |
| hazzy | I think it took me about two-three years for me to be satisfied with the way Ubuntu looks | Sep 19 19:48 |
| hazzy | Yes | Sep 19 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | If anything Microsoft really does get right with Windows, that is the default looks | Sep 19 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | the eye candy | Sep 19 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | the wall papers and other pictures, it comes with and such | Sep 19 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | and the OS themes even, well ok they may be sucky, but then other pictures are good, so yeah | Sep 19 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | Vista was quite the improvement over XP for default eye candy | Sep 19 19:49 |
| hazzy | Yea, if you could even call those "Themes" | Sep 19 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | VectorLInux | Sep 19 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | I tried a older version in a vm 2007 version or whatever | Sep 19 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | and it was like wow, these pictures are awesome | Sep 19 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | also if you enable the slide show in Mandriva :) | Sep 19 19:50 |
| hazzy | I stopped at XP and decided to never buy another Microsoft product again (after reading about their history) | Sep 19 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | you will have some very nice pictures showing, but if your on 2010.1 you need to install the community wall papers for more really | Sep 19 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | loads of nice pictures by default with Mandriva 2010.0, which was one of the reasons I went for it | Sep 19 19:51 |
| hazzy | It's been about two years since I last used it | Sep 19 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | what Mandriva? | Sep 19 19:51 |
| hazzy | Yah | Sep 19 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Sep 19 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | you been using Ubuntu instead? | Sep 19 19:51 |
| hazzy | Yep | Sep 19 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh dear | Sep 19 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | that distro used to be pretty good | Sep 19 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | untill 9.04 | Sep 19 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | then it really has been going down hill, but most users don't know that | Sep 19 19:52 |
| hazzy | Well, uh | Sep 19 19:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] آر تي @jacobwb "My Interview With Steve Jobs!" http://tinyogg.com/watch/o4FV3/ This is so true! !apple !ipad | Sep 19 19:52 | |
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| hazzy | I tried Arch, but some things didn't work real well (e.g. Wine) | Sep 19 19:52 |
| hazzy | Although | Sep 19 19:52 |
| hazzy | I suppose I no longer need Wine | Sep 19 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: I mean their downstreame Gnome changes and that kind of thing, removing features that should be there in Gnome 2 even, such as the auto shut down feature, and what not | Sep 19 19:52 |
| hazzy | So I can try it again, or Mandriva | Sep 19 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: Mandriva is still nice, but yeah I really look forward to this fork | Sep 19 19:53 |
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| hazzy | Oh, yes, true | Sep 19 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | and the Mandriva distro is basically on the verge of dieing now, since the company | Sep 19 19:53 |
| hazzy | I'm just gonna see | Sep 19 19:53 |
| hazzy | What they have in store for Maverick | Sep 19 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: I am actsaully going to try out 10.10 starting with the RC on real hardware | Sep 19 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | I have already done vm trying | Sep 19 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: I mean I am mainly putting it on for UNity the new netbook interface, which I can also run on a deskotp | Sep 19 19:54 |
| hazzy | Yeh | Sep 19 19:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Amazing Surreal Photo-manipulation by Sarolta Ban - Chill Out Point http://ur1.ca/1of20 | Sep 19 19:54 | |
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| sebsebseb | and whilst I am at it, i'll try the new sound menu | Sep 19 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | with music | Sep 19 19:54 |
| hazzy | Well, if I don't like it, I'll switch to something else | Sep 19 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | yes sound menu, is a downstreame Ubuntu change to Gnome, but I am seem to be pretty much 100% ok with it | Sep 19 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | maybe more like 99% or less really, I mean got to try it properly and all first really | Sep 19 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | to be sure | Sep 19 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: 10.10 would only be tempory on here | Sep 19 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | then I think the next distro I put on is Mageia :) | Sep 19 19:55 |
| hazzy | Hmm | Sep 19 19:55 |
| hazzy | Yes | Sep 19 19:55 |
| hazzy | Maybe me too | Sep 19 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | I mean I done all the releases since the second release in 2005 on real hardware | Sep 19 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | so why not 10.10 as well, plus I need real hardare to try out Unity properly | Sep 19 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | ok so on a desktop it will be differnet to a netbook, which it was designed for, but ah well | Sep 19 19:56 |
| hazzy | Yea | Sep 19 19:56 |
| hazzy | Unity does look good | Sep 19 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: and yeah I am not a fan of all these Gnome patches they been doing to Ubuntu, but | Sep 19 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | for newbies well | Sep 19 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | I guess it is one of the best Gnome 2 expereinces really at the moment | Sep 19 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | same for Mint, which I am again not keen on, from vm trying | Sep 19 19:57 |
| hazzy | It does seem that I'm too advanced to be using it though tbh | Sep 19 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | bingo | Sep 19 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | bingo | Sep 19 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | exactly | Sep 19 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | I am to expereinced to be using it happily myself | Sep 19 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | since I want the auto shut down feature after a minute, and what not | Sep 19 19:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes don't censor but ignore trolls. You can write nice posts in the time you waste feeding trolls. | Sep 19 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes the comments on the latest post are hilarious | Sep 19 19:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz You've probably got a point, I just like to try out of courtesy to give as many people I can a response..even if they are rude. | Sep 19 19:57 | |
| sebsebseb | and I don't really want social features and so on | Sep 19 19:57 |
| hazzy | Yes, that's right | Sep 19 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: exactly its not really for people like us, that are in the know, and have expereinced Gnome 2 for years | Sep 19 19:57 |
| hazzy | No social features for me either | Sep 19 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | and know that certain features are meant to still be there really, that aren't anymore | Sep 19 19:58 |
| hazzy | I tried KDE 4 | Sep 19 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: shut down and log out should be in the system menu still as well really, since upstream Gnome, and the other distros | Sep 19 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | however Gnome 3 will be having on the right | Sep 19 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | so | Sep 19 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm yes I been very against it so far | Sep 19 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Sep 19 19:59 |
| hazzy | Oh | Sep 19 19:59 |
| hazzy | Yea | Sep 19 19:59 |
| hazzy | System menu | Sep 19 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | well I guess new users who do Ubuntu 10.10 as their first distro, may as well have it on the right now, plus the icons don't show on system menu, but if enabled either the ugly Ubuntu icons | Sep 19 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | or the new ugly Gnome 3 icons, if the Gnome icons are used, for 10.10. 10.04 still has the nice old icons | Sep 19 19:59 |
| hazzy | Lol ya | Sep 19 19:59 |
| hazzy | Well eh | Sep 19 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | you know what I am on about? | Sep 19 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | or? | Sep 19 19:59 |
| hazzy | Well | Sep 19 20:00 |
| hazzy | I'm not quite clear on the new icon set for 10.10 | Sep 19 20:00 |
| hazzy | What's it gonna be? | Sep 19 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | the default icons will be their icons | Sep 19 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Sep 19 20:00 |
| hazzy | Oh | Sep 19 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | what I would do for system menu | Sep 19 20:00 |
| hazzy | Yeah | Sep 19 20:00 |
| hazzy | Gnome 3 I see | Sep 19 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | is change the icons to Gnome | Sep 19 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah more recently got to enable the icons to show in system menu, since the upstream Gnome change | Sep 19 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | not in Mandriva though, that has showing by default :) | Sep 19 20:01 |
| hazzy | Yah, I got it now | Sep 19 20:01 |
| hazzy | Mandriva..? | Sep 19 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | really Gnome 2.30 has the new Gnome 3 icons, but Ubuntu 10.04 didn't, it had the old icons | Sep 19 20:01 |
| hazzy | That is KDE though | Sep 19 20:01 |
| hazzy | Apples and oranges, right? | Sep 19 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: no Mandriva have a Gnome version as well | Sep 19 20:01 |
| hazzy | Oh, ok | Sep 19 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | and even a XFCE version of some sort | Sep 19 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | and what not | Sep 19 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | however yeah KDE and Mandriva are the two proper versions | Sep 19 20:02 |
| hazzy | Well, one thing that kinda put me off was | Sep 19 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | and of course, can have one installed, whilst also having the other | Sep 19 20:02 |
| hazzy | Improper theming of Firefox in KDE | Sep 19 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | something that annoyed me about Ubuntu 10.04 and I guess it will be 10.10 really, but won't be as bad, since they have nicer window border icons :) | Sep 19 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Sep 19 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | yeah FIrefox would look really ugly | Sep 19 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | with the default theme in Ubuntu 10.04 | Sep 19 20:02 |
| hazzy | Do you use KDE? | Sep 19 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | things would look to black/dark for my likeing and such | Sep 19 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes I use KDE as an actsual desktop environment, but not so keen on it, but one of my most used apps is Konversation :) | Sep 19 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | yep, Firefox and Konversation | Sep 19 20:03 |
| hazzy | Well | Sep 19 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | and oh no Mono :D, but yes at the moment Banshee as well | Sep 19 20:03 |
| hazzy | My theme really differs from the default Ubuntu one | Sep 19 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | however that doesn't work with the new sound menu in 10.10 it seems, so will be Rythombox when I try that out | Sep 19 20:04 |
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| sebsebseb | hazzy: I like defaults or well staying very nearly default | Sep 19 20:04 |
| hazzy | Well, this is my desktop: http://tinyurl.com/2758a6o | Sep 19 20:04 |
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| sebsebseb | hazzy: so 10.04 really did get at me, since I would customize to look like older versions | Sep 19 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | yes older versions, human clear looks | Sep 19 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | the old brown theme, before 9.10 | Sep 19 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah the Gnome icons as I was saying | Sep 19 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: and with that theme, or clear looks, still have the old Ubuntu logo | Sep 19 20:05 |
| hazzy | What theme? | Sep 19 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: its in the repo for 10.04 and 10.10 | Sep 19 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | the old themes | Sep 19 20:06 |
| hazzy | Oh, yah | Sep 19 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | the old Ubuntu default themes | Sep 19 20:06 |
| hazzy | Human | Sep 19 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | anyway your screenshot uhmm yeah looks ok | Sep 19 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | a bit like Mandriva maybe even though | Sep 19 20:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Riaa.org appears down now and seems the support that Torrentfreak wrote about is very much still there. | Sep 19 20:07 | |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: yeah I guess it looks similar to Mandriva | Sep 19 20:07 |
| hazzy | Oh, wow | Sep 19 20:07 |
| hazzy | Maybe Mandriva would be a good one for me then | Sep 19 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: well the panel colour and such I mean | Sep 19 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | and if the menus are using the Gnome look instead of the Mandriva look with their star | Sep 19 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | get the feet | Sep 19 20:08 |
| hazzy | Yah | Sep 19 20:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Google at least helps !foss Yahoo doesn't, now they are whining. #Yahoo-is-tech #my #arse http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11339276 | Sep 19 20:09 | |
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| hazzy | I am looking at a screenshot of it now | Sep 19 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: they change the menus a bit by default, no assessories menu for example, but then can be changed in the control centre for the Gnome menu, and get assessories menu | Sep 19 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: by default apps get grouped by type as well | Sep 19 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | KDE or Gnome, basically | Sep 19 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: its a lovely distro, but yeah the current situation, but hey theres the fork | Sep 19 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: two little things would annoy me about it | Sep 19 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | tell it to use English as the language, and its well American | Sep 19 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | en-us | Sep 19 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | and then yeah the host name is localhost by default, but quite easy to change, can't remember how | Sep 19 20:11 |
| hazzy | Is there no en-uk? | Sep 19 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | yep no en-uk | Sep 19 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Sep 19 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | or English is meant to be en-uk really, since there is the American option | Sep 19 20:11 |
| hazzy | Well, yea | Sep 19 20:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Google introduced instant search, Twitter revamped its website. Yahoo in comparison talked about "cool things coming up soon". #yahoo #fail | Sep 19 20:12 | |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: well can edit out the en-us from my FIrefox user agent string for example :D let's not spread US English :D or make it look like I am from there | Sep 19 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | English GB is the true real English | Sep 19 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Sep 19 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | En GB even | Sep 19 20:12 |
| hazzy | Lol | Sep 19 20:12 |
| MinceR | how are you gentlemen !! | Sep 19 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: Where are you from by the way? | Sep 19 20:13 |
| hazzy | Well I once downloaded an en-uk version of some distro, and it kinda annoyed me | Sep 19 20:13 |
| hazzy | USA | Sep 19 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: ok well you woudn't have the issue I just mentioned, since your meant to be on en-us really, when doing Mandriva | Sep 19 20:13 |
| hazzy | Well, not that the language annoyed me | Sep 19 20:13 |
| MinceR | my particular random mashup of en_US and en_GB is the only true real english! | Sep 19 20:13 |
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| sebsebseb | even though EN GB is the true English | Sep 19 20:13 |
| hazzy | But it seems I have OCD | Sep 19 20:13 |
| MinceR | *insert nonsensical statement showing how your assertion is absurd* | Sep 19 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: oh? | Sep 19 20:13 |
| Ender2071 | EN GB +1 | Sep 19 20:13 |
| hazzy | Yea, some things (that aren't really a big deal) just bug me for some reason | Sep 19 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: same here I guess | Sep 19 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | having ugly icons for example | Sep 19 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | this new Gnome 3 shut down icon is a joke, old one was awesome, lock screen isn't much better, but at least they didn't completly mess up log out | Sep 19 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | they improved log out realy I guess | Sep 19 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | well both versions aer great | Sep 19 20:15 |
| hazzy | Mageia website looks sparse atm | Sep 19 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: well this Mageia stuff is very new | Sep 19 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | only since like Friday | Sep 19 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | there was some kind of Mandriva meeting | Sep 19 20:17 |
| hazzy | Oh, so is Mageia going to be headed by a company like Mandriva was? | Sep 19 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | on Friday | Sep 19 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: no it explains it on the webpage | Sep 19 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | it will be a community distro | Sep 19 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | with a non profit organisation behind it | Sep 19 20:17 |
| hazzy | Agh, should have read | Sep 19 20:18 |
| hazzy | Sorry | Sep 19 20:18 |
| MinceR | http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/ | Sep 19 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | 404 | Sep 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | 10^23! | Sep 19 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Wow! That's REALLY strong | Sep 19 20:19 |
| schestowitz | If you overdose this Web site you might even get one molecule of it... might. | Sep 19 20:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Riaa.org appears down now and seems the support that Torrentfreak wrote about is very much still there. | Sep 19 20:20 | |
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| hazzy | Man, Mandriva's still got that great artwork stock | Sep 19 20:23 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cnbc-tv18-comments/microsoft-dragged-to-competition-commissionindia_485302.html | Sep 19 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft dragged to Competition Commission of India - CNBC-TV18 - .::. Size~: 92.84 KB | Sep 19 20:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Software giant Microsoft has been dragged to the Competition Commission of India by a Delhi-Headquartered Law Firm. The company has been charged with allegedly breaching the competition act by using its monopoly position in the Indian market, reports CNBC-TV18?s Ashwin Mohan. " | Sep 19 20:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "In short, Singhania and Partners has claimed before the Competition Commission of India that Microsoft is coercing its consumers to buy its softwares at higher prices. Now, there are two things that it has sought before the commission. It has to sought an investigation into the anti competitive practices, the alleged anti competitive practices of Microsoft. Secondly, it has also an enquiry into the overall consumer impact | Sep 19 20:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | as a part of these practices of Microsoft." | Sep 19 20:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.livemint.com/2010/09/19215815/Microsoft-wants-India-among-to.html | Sep 19 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft wants India among top 5 markets - Corporate News - livemint.com .::. Size~: 94.37 KB | Sep 19 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "At the current revenue rate, India comes after Canada?Microsoft?s 6th largest market from where it generates around $1.2 billion (Rs 5,516.4 crore) in annual sales. The US, followed by Japan, the UK, France and Germany, in that order, are the top five revenue generators for Microsoft currently." | Sep 19 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "During the economic slowdown, Microsoft expanded its reach in India from around 13 cities to at least 300 cities, through a network of nearly 7,500 partners??seeds for future growth?, as Ruskill puts it." | Sep 19 20:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Yesterday was Software Freedom Day. Today is Talk Like A Pirate Day. Coincidence? I think not. ARR phttp://www.talklikeapirate.com/ !lp | Sep 19 20:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] I uploaded a YouTube video -- DSDS-Casting bei Wiesn Gaudi TV http://youtu.be/84tGykRq2z4?a | MUHAHAHAAAHA :-) | Sep 19 20:44 | |
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| _Goblin | evening all.... | Sep 19 20:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello | Sep 19 20:48 |
| MinceR | o hai | Sep 19 20:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/20100913/casestudy01.shtml | Sep 19 20:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OpenOffice at Fullerton India - Express Computer .::. Size~: 24.57 KB | Sep 19 20:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Fullerton India saved crores of rupees by moving the bulk of its users onto the open source office suite." | Sep 19 20:49 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Fullerton India Credit Co. Ltd. wanted to convert the bulk of its users from Microsoft Office to OpenOffice. It would turn out to be quite a complex project involving macro migration, some hardware upgrades and educating users at numerous locations. At that point of time, the company had 850 branches (6,000 PCs, 15,000 users). Currently, after consolidating and downsizing, it has 400 locations (4,000 PCs, 9,000 users). It | Sep 19 20:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | was all worth it, however, as the company ended up saving crores of rupees in the process." | Sep 19 20:50 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | enough about India, the future home of M$ | Sep 19 20:51 |
| gnufreex | hi | Sep 19 20:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dude threatens to unlock every locked Intel processor... I wonder if he can submit thiis as a !Linux kernel patch http://ur1.ca/1ofiw | Sep 19 20:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dear Intel: SUE ME! Why Unlocking processors is immoral | Zach Bruhnke .::. Size~: 17.31 KB | Sep 19 20:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> did you see that the Best Buy CEO said and latter (almost retracted) that iPad has replaced 50% of windows laptop PC sales in the USA? | Sep 19 20:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I posted that last night here | Sep 19 20:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that could be a quarter of MS income, if true | Sep 19 20:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | when you consider that those who pay iPad, will not use MS office. And Android which will replace IPad will not use MS Office either. | Sep 19 20:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But then, the newer Office has not been doing well. | Sep 19 20:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Stuff I hate: Early flights. #needsleep. Almost on my way to Cardiff. | Sep 19 20:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !ratholeradio Live online and on ratholeradio IRC channel http://ratholeradio.org/live/ Come on everybody! | Sep 19 20:57 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | And Intel has even lost business in this recession. | Sep 19 20:57 |
| hazzy | Yea after the i4i case and Google Docs, MS Office isn't doing too well | Sep 19 21:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a lot of users hate the ribbon in ms office | Sep 19 21:04 |
| hazzy | Which is interesting; Did Microsoft come up with that idea on their own? | Sep 19 21:06 |
| hazzy | If so, then it would seem that the little innovation that happens in Redmond gets rejected almost universally | Sep 19 21:07 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] sdamn Samsung Galaxy S is one awesome looking phone! | Sep 19 21:09 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Have seen a lot of negative comments on the ribbon in newer releases of MS Office, and most people seem to hate it, and think that it was put there as a useless IU change just so MS could say the product was new. | Sep 19 21:09 |
| MinceR | they keep doing that | Sep 19 21:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I can't say myself, as I don't MS office | Sep 19 21:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | After how many version of word or office, how do you still make changes that are worth users buying another version? At some point, wouldn't you expect MS to just get it right so that no more version are necessary? | Sep 19 21:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But the cash cow of MS Office is dependant on being sold over and over again. So they must change something in Office to get users to buy it. | Sep 19 21:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Usually the lock in, which i4i sued them for. | Sep 19 21:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So the truth is, Microsoft will never get MS Office right. and therefore there will always be another version down the road for users to "upgrade" to. As long as it's profitable for Microsoft to make those, that is. | Sep 19 21:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dear God... someone wrote a x86 emulator in !Java, it can run !Linux and this demo runs gcc http://ur1.ca/1ofrc | Sep 19 21:16 | |
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| gnufreex | I never get why people need "Office" anyways. | Sep 19 21:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The endless Microsoft upgrade treadmill, which is a leech on your wallet. | Sep 19 21:16 |
| hazzy | Neither do I | Sep 19 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | the usual method is a slight change in the file formats, so people start seeing "unable to open" when they send documents to each other, using peer pressure to force people to upgrade or being left out of the loop | Sep 19 21:16 |
| gnufreex | I always like simple text editors. | Sep 19 21:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, lockin | Sep 19 21:16 |
| gnufreex | Web browser has spell check now | Sep 19 21:17 |
| gnufreex | Why anyone still use MS Office..? | Sep 19 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | while at the same time saying "MS is dependable, reliable, you don't need to retrain, you know where you are with MS" | Sep 19 21:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in a deep money pit, is where they are | Sep 19 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | a tiny percentage of people actually use the advanced stuff in MS Office, but the vast majority, even those who work in offices using it every day only use a timny fraction of the feautres, which any word processor would do | Sep 19 21:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.expresscomputeronline.com/20100913/casestudy01.shtml | Sep 19 21:18 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "The rollout was completed during Q4 2009 and acknowledged as a successful implementation. This project implementation has led to huge cost savings to the tune of approximately Rs. 3.2 crore (around 2,000 Microsoft Office licenses would otherwise have had to be purchased). ?We have not incurred any expenses on hardware/software upgrades to deploy OpenOffice" | Sep 19 21:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ?Employee productivity has become very simple and easy with huge cost savings. There were literally no changes in productivity when compared to the usage of Microsoft Office,? concluded Vernekar. " | Sep 19 21:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A lot of windows users are still not aware of OpenOffice in the USA. | Sep 19 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But its gaining ground | Sep 19 21:21 |
| gnufreex | Now Microsoft FUDsters want to convince people tha Java and MySQL and OpenOffice are propriatary just because Oracle owns copyrights. | Sep 19 21:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ooops.... forgetting my arrrrs | Sep 19 21:22 | |
| sebsebseb | hazzy: Yep Mandriva is great for eye candy | Sep 19 21:25 |
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| gnufreex | sebsebsesb: It looks like Mandriva is falling apart. Most of Mandriva SA employees are fired. There is fork called Magea | Sep 19 21:26 |
| gnufreex | Or Mageia | Sep 19 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: yep I know | Sep 19 21:27 |
| gnufreex | Or something like that. | Sep 19 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: seems the fork will be awesome as well :) | Sep 19 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: and its mageia | Sep 19 21:27 |
| gnufreex | I liked Mandriva... But not sure if this is smart move. | Sep 19 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: oh I think it is | Sep 19 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: considering that, they fired all the European developers | Sep 19 21:28 |
| gnufreex | They should nix the Cooker and import things from Fedora. | Sep 19 21:28 |
| gnufreex | Fedora is awesome, just litle to bleading edge. | Sep 19 21:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] arrr | Sep 19 21:29 | |
| gnufreex | I don't know why they are firing all europian devs. | Sep 19 21:29 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: since they have a big Brazilin customer | Sep 19 21:30 |
| gnufreex | If they want to sell to BRIC countries, then they should fire all European sales and marketing people. It doesn't really matter who does development and where. | Sep 19 21:30 |
| sebsebseb | BRIC? | Sep 19 21:30 |
| sebsebseb | what's BRIC mean? | Sep 19 21:30 |
| gnufreex | Brasil, Rusia India China | Sep 19 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: yeah well they can still make money I guess | Sep 19 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | so don't need the commuinty and such anymore | Sep 19 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: seems these new investors are doing stupid stuff though | Sep 19 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | ah well | Sep 19 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | so be it | Sep 19 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | let Mandriva die | Sep 19 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | and the forks live on | Sep 19 21:32 |
| sebsebseb | good Mandriva code will live on in the forks, so that's Mageia, PC Linux OS, and their's another one | Sep 19 21:33 |
| gnufreex | Who is that stupid investor? | Sep 19 21:33 |
| gnufreex | I didn't catch that info | Sep 19 21:33 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: not sure exactly | Sep 19 21:35 |
| sebsebseb | I think there may be even two | Sep 19 21:35 |
| sebsebseb | some French company, but also another I think | Sep 19 21:36 |
| gnufreex | I heard some russians are involved | Sep 19 21:36 |
| gnufreex | But that was long ago, when there was word about sale of Mandriva | Sep 19 21:37 |
| gnufreex | Suposably, russian comapany invested to stop the sale. | Sep 19 21:37 |
| gnufreex | http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-features/51505-yes-windows-phone-7-is-doomed | Sep 19 21:40 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @gotunandan that and the desire to overrule some stuff because they have a commercial reason for it | Sep 19 21:40 | |
| gnufreex | Haha, it looks like Microsoft is down to patent trolling | Sep 19 21:41 |
| gnufreex | They are dead in mobile game | Sep 19 21:41 |
| gnufreex | They can only try to extort patents now, | Sep 19 21:41 |
| gnufreex | And they might set off OIN | Sep 19 21:41 |
| gnufreex | So they could be blasted | Sep 19 21:42 |
| gnufreex | forever. | Sep 19 21:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Totem movie player on !ubuntu 10.10 has a very solid YouTube video watching plugin...finally! :D | Sep 19 21:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @thistleweb yes and the perceived probable non-free route they seem to be taking due to those decisions. | Sep 19 21:42 | |
| gnufreex | Oh... They still own Nokia | Sep 19 21:42 |
| gnufreex | Sadly, they might pull down nokia with them. | Sep 19 21:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @thistleweb The commercially driven stuff cant be helped possibly. It should still be "open" in terms of communication though and !FaiF | Sep 19 21:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] M$ LATAM says "companies ... offer open source s/w do so 'cos they've failed to compete with proprietary rivals" http://bit.ly/aMNqSt #fb | Sep 19 21:45 | |
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| schestowitz | the H told me that'll translate that Switzerland article tomorrow. | Sep 19 21:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody true | Sep 19 21:49 | |
| schestowitz | "The H will have a full translation of the article tomorrow" http://twitter.com/Codepope/status/24938307546 | Sep 19 21:49 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] How do you think we should releae 'Nightmares By Design'? http://is.gd/fhfHj #severedfifth | Sep 19 21:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @gotunandan I agree, I have no probs with Canonical making money | Sep 19 21:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] I just heard ass**** on a TV show...WTH, when did that became TV safe! | Sep 19 21:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] The Linux Outlaws server move is complete. In the event of errors, please report them to fab@sixgun.org via email. Thanks! | Sep 19 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @rcweir@twitter.com US Food and Drug Administration rules: "won't require labeling of genetically modified salmon" http://bit.ly/ajwsNj | Sep 19 22:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Wow, a few people got me a gift for my birthday from my Amazon wishlist, which is...y'know... http://is.gd/fiuvw ;-) | Sep 19 22:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Ubuntu 10.10 To Add A “Sent From Ubuntu” Signature By Default To Evolution http://goo.gl/0uA5 | Sep 19 22:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Ubuntu 10.10 Ambiance & Radiance themes for Chrome (Chromium), Firefox & Opera http://goo.gl/7fv3 | Sep 19 22:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] !Linux gets !Deluge 1.3.0 - New release! http://deluge-torrent.org/ !foss !bittorrent | Sep 19 22:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why Flash Drive Density Will Stop Growing Next Year — EnterpriseStorageForum.com http://bit.ly/96Fk87 | Sep 19 22:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Damn is that #pulseaudio I hear that's shaking the window and the walls?!! !ubuntu #maverick | Sep 19 22:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just had a session of !ratholeradio Live + IRC. Great laugh. More people should come on to IRC for the show. | Sep 19 22:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] See what happens when I don't use my computer for a day and half...my Google Reader blows up! | Sep 19 22:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] #watched LotR: Fellowship of the Ring imdb.com/title/tt0120737/ ★★★★☆ lovely film; ah, memories :) | Sep 19 22:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Maia Kozheva on the “Sent using !Ubuntu” signature in Evolution: Dear !Canonical, Redux http://goo.gl/1O2V | Sep 19 22:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @toros Don't know why people just don't use Thunderbird or Claws? | Sep 19 22:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] My previous notice was sent from Ubuntu. Actually, this one was sent from Ubuntu too... | Sep 19 22:52 | |
| gnufreex | http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/community/weblogs/ArneBab/what_we_need.html | Sep 19 22:52 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] please, no... ♻ @bananabob: "Should #evolution have a "Sent from !Ubuntu" signature by default? Vote now! http://is.gd/fiy3a | Sep 19 22:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] @richslxh Actually, I use Evolution at the office. It works well for me, and it has better desktop integration than Thunderbird or Claws. | Sep 19 22:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @toros I just use mail programs to send mail. | Sep 19 22:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Should evolution have a "Sent from Ubuntu" signature by default? | Polldaddy.com (poll 3786684) .::. Size~: 13.02 KB | Sep 19 22:57 |
| MinceR | what if someone runs evolution from some other distro? :> | Sep 19 22:58 |
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| sebsebseb | hazzy: Where you from? | Sep 19 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah USA wasn't it | Sep 19 22:59 |
| gnufreex | I think it is only in Ubuntu buid. MinceR | Sep 19 22:59 |
| gnufreex | Evolution is made by De Icaza folowers at NoWell... they wouldn't let that change go upstream | Sep 19 23:00 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 19 23:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @rysiek No app should have anything brand related by default, not unless the devs consult the community first. | Sep 19 23:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] I'm going to Wallonia tomorrow (Ardennes)- Is roaming expensive? I'd like to check my e-mail while sobbing in my kayak. Implementing #iKayak | Sep 19 23:00 | |
| hazzy | Sorry was afk | Sep 19 23:01 |
| hazzy | Yes USA | Sep 19 23:01 |
| gnufreex | Unless it is coded in C#. Then De Icaza will love it. | Sep 19 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | I got a mageia channel now :) | Sep 19 23:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | everyone, please pre-emptively facepalm for my next identica post | Sep 19 23:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | its that bad | Sep 19 23:02 |
| *hazzy facepalms. | Sep 19 23:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] This is why !Linux is better: We don't take a year to badly design the "Off/Sleep/Hib" dialog in a desktop environment http://ur1.ca/1ogqz | Sep 19 23:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] I'm going to Wallonia tomorrow (Ardennes)- Is roaming expensive? I'd like to check my e-mail in my kayak. Atm I'm implementing #iKayak | Sep 19 23:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: moblog: The Windows Shutdown crapfest .::. Size~: 280.59 KB | Sep 19 23:02 |
| gnufreex | *facepalm | Sep 19 23:03 |
| MinceR | nice | Sep 19 23:03 |
| MinceR | apparently i wasn't the only one who found that menu to be a clusterfuck of failure | Sep 19 23:03 |
| hazzy | I haven't used Vista so I dunno | Sep 19 23:05 |
| cubevector | I haven't used Vista either | Sep 19 23:05 |
| gnufreex | It turned out that Microsoft patented that feature. | Sep 19 23:05 |
| gnufreex | I have been unlucky to use it at work | Sep 19 23:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] @richslxh agreed /we're talking world-facing app iface here. as in "this will tell the world about the user, not the user about their system | Sep 19 23:05 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they patented the methodology to produce clusterfuck failures? I believe it | Sep 19 23:06 |
| gnufreex | And Windows server 2008 too | Sep 19 23:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have a monopoly on it too | Sep 19 23:06 |
| gnufreex | Seriously, is was on the news recently. They shown the chart of events that happen at shutdown | Sep 19 23:07 |
| gnufreex | And they patented that. | Sep 19 23:07 |
| gnufreex | It's crazy | Sep 19 23:07 |
| MinceR | crApple patents failures all the same | Sep 19 23:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | it needs four fucking options | Sep 19 23:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | logout, sleep, hibernate, off. | Sep 19 23:07 |
| cubevector | do they have a patent on bloat? :-P | Sep 19 23:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | thry'd have to submit every single product of theirs ever as prior art | Sep 19 23:09 |
| MinceR | and once again Joel misses the whole point | Sep 19 23:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @rysiek Seems to be a lot of this "let's just change it and fuck 'em" type of decision making at canonical lately. | Sep 19 23:09 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: hi | Sep 19 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: hi | Sep 19 23:09 |
| ThistleWeb | hey | Sep 19 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Sep 19 23:09 |
| MinceR | i think i'll let him keep the system that doesn't let the user choose between suspend and hibernate. | Sep 19 23:09 |
| Ender2071 | [18:05] <gnufreex> And Windows server 2008 too | Sep 19 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: so you know about mageia yeah? | Sep 19 23:09 |
| Ender2071 | what about it | Sep 19 23:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: to be honest, I'd like both | Sep 19 23:09 |
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| ThistleWeb | I do? | Sep 19 23:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | susped AND store for hibernate, wakeup in x hours and hibernate for real | Sep 19 23:10 |
| gnufreex | Ender2071: It is P.O.C | Sep 19 23:10 |
| MinceR | sounds good | Sep 19 23:10 |
| Ender2071 | P.O.C ? | Sep 19 23:10 |
| MinceR | except "store for hibernate" takes a lot of time | Sep 19 23:10 |
| gnufreex | Ender2071: Piece of crap | Sep 19 23:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | not really | Sep 19 23:10 |
| MinceR | well, not if your RAM is tiny | Sep 19 23:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can fake poweroff the rest of the way | Sep 19 23:10 |
| MinceR | or you have an uberfast HDD (or perhaps an SSD) | Sep 19 23:10 |
| Ender2071 | yeah it is | Sep 19 23:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | go through the entire suspect process except for the target drive, and then dump the ram | Sep 19 23:11 |
| MinceR | well, dumping the ram takes time | Sep 19 23:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | it only takes me like a minute to do 8 gigs on my older drive | Sep 19 23:11 |
| MinceR | a minute is a lot more than a few seconds | Sep 19 23:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and SSD is the new fuck you | Sep 19 23:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | so *shrug* | Sep 19 23:11 |
| Ender2071 | you want active directory? you can spend a few grand on server 2008 or get calculate directory server for free | Sep 19 23:11 |
| Ender2071 | or RHEL and configure it yourself | Sep 19 23:12 |
| *MinceR does not want active directory | Sep 19 23:12 | |
| Diablo-D3 | or use samba. | Sep 19 23:12 |
| MinceR | RadioActive Directory | Sep 19 23:12 |
| Ender2071 | thats the 'configure it yourself' part | Sep 19 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: oh you don't know about Mageia, the Mandriva fork, well it will be | Sep 19 23:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] @richslxh true. some better information/idea exchange with the #community would be nice /@jonobacon, what's your thought on this?.. | Sep 19 23:12 | |
| Ender2071 | calculate does it nicely for you, with a gentoo core | Sep 19 23:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | or just fucking use kerebos logins on an all linux system | Sep 19 23:12 |
| Ender2071 | yeah | Sep 19 23:13 |
| Ender2071 | or something better | Sep 19 23:13 |
| Ender2071 | lots of stuff out there better than AD | Sep 19 23:13 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: I noticed some dent about it earlier, it hardly means "I know about it" as if I've been following the story | Sep 19 23:13 |
| Ender2071 | but if you actually want it, you dont have to pay a few grand for it | Sep 19 23:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Is this site a scam? It makes me suspicious cos it seems like such a good way of Cloning sims. Does anyone know? http://is.gd/fizlN | Sep 19 23:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Mandriva Fork Announced by Former Employees http://ur1.ca/1ogvc | Sep 19 23:14 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: ok well I got a channel for it now, plus I will be an op for the Swedish channel | Sep 19 23:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mandriva Fork Announced by Former Employees .::. Size~: 23.06 KB | Sep 19 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah I have set up a channel for the UK community, which won't get used by hardly anyone for now I guess | Sep 19 23:14 |
| Ender2071 | ugh mandriva | Sep 19 23:14 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 19 23:15 |
| Ender2071 | the new linux mint, i read some nice stuff about it | Sep 19 23:15 |
| Ender2071 | its debian based now | Sep 19 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2071: yep it is | Sep 19 23:15 |
| Ender2071 | rolling release style | Sep 19 23:15 |
| MinceR | does it ship with the correct keys for the packages? :> | Sep 19 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | no other UK ops yet though | Sep 19 23:15 |
| MinceR | imo rolling release is a bad idea | Sep 19 23:15 |
| Ender2071 | iyo | Sep 19 23:15 |
| Ender2071 | its good for those who want the latest | Sep 19 23:16 |
| Ender2071 | i've been looking at opensuse lately though | Sep 19 23:16 |
| Ender2071 | but im thinking ill just take fedora 14 and turn it into what I want | Sep 19 23:16 |
| Ender2071 | perhaps my own repo of recompiled apps | Sep 19 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | well its nice to be part of a distro from the begining :) | Sep 19 23:16 |
| MinceR | it's bad for those who might leave a system un-updated for a while; and it's bad for those who don't want to have sudden big changes and/or reconfiguration requirements mixed in with minor updates | Sep 19 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | or ok in my case pretty much the begining | Sep 19 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | since a load of other people found out about it first before I did yesterday | Sep 19 23:17 |
| MinceR | "if i want cutting edge, i'll buy a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i'll use it." | Sep 19 23:17 |
| Ender2071 | mincer - but power users like me can handle it | Sep 19 23:17 |
| MinceR | it's not a question of being a power user | Sep 19 23:17 |
| MinceR | stop being so smug about using rolling release :> | Sep 19 23:17 |
| Ender2071 | I want something that installs easy, just works, and has the latest and greatest | Sep 19 23:17 |
| gnufreex | ArchLinux is great | Sep 19 23:17 |
| bruce89 | Fedora is nice | Sep 19 23:17 |
| Ender2071 | arch isn't an easy install | Sep 19 23:17 |
| gnufreex | It's roling release | Sep 19 23:17 |
| MinceR | archlinux is great if you hate documentation | Sep 19 23:18 |
| Ender2071 | basicly, i want fedora pre-stable-updates-vision | Sep 19 23:18 |
| gnufreex | Ender2071: That is point of arch: creating new geeks! | Sep 19 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2071: PC Linux OS, is probably the closest you would get, except for Fedora | Sep 19 23:18 |
| bruce89 | sounds like rawhide Ender2071 | Sep 19 23:18 |
| Ender2071 | nah | Sep 19 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2071: or this Mint Debian maybe | Sep 19 23:18 |
| Ender2071 | rawhide can break horribly | Sep 19 23:18 |
| bruce89 | or F14 | Sep 19 23:18 |
| Ender2071 | F14 final is going to be bad | Sep 19 23:18 |
| Ender2071 | slower updates | Sep 19 23:19 |
| gnufreex | Yikes! Rawhide can break in peaces... | Sep 19 23:19 |
| Ender2071 | it might not even see a major kde upgrade | Sep 19 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I love debian. | Sep 19 23:19 |
| Ender2071 | im still waiting for my KDE 4.5 update in F13 | Sep 19 23:19 |
| bruce89 | I thought that was just being discussed | Sep 19 23:19 |
| Ender2071 | theres a lot of blockers | Sep 19 23:19 |
| gnufreex | http://www.nyblom.org/pub/gentoo.png | Sep 19 23:20 |
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| Ender2071 | but it takes a week of just waiting for some package to even get through the queue now | Sep 19 23:20 |
| bruce89 | I mean the "new updates policy" | Sep 19 23:20 |
| Ender2071 | so its taking forever | Sep 19 23:20 |
| bruce89 | oh I see | Sep 19 23:20 |
| Ender2071 | the new updates policy is approved, they are still setting up the documentation for it | Sep 19 23:20 |
| Ender2071 | theres no doubt its being done | Sep 19 23:20 |
| Ender2071 | people can't use a veteran packager to speed up the approval process anymore | Sep 19 23:21 |
| Ender2071 | on F12, i got KDE 4.4 within a week or two of its release | Sep 19 23:21 |
| Ender2071 | another thing im not liking about fedora right now is their compiler | Sep 19 23:22 |
| Ender2071 | Arch and Opensuse have GCC 4.5 and as far as I know they don't ban using LTO | Sep 19 23:22 |
| Ender2071 | some software would benefit greatly from it | Sep 19 23:23 |
| Ender2071 | some won't | Sep 19 23:23 |
| Ender2071 | but you can enable it for what would benefit | Sep 19 23:23 |
| Ender2071 | instead of just blanket banning it | Sep 19 23:23 |
| bruce89 | I see the policy, and it seems a bit boring | Sep 19 23:23 |
| Ender2071 | so if I stay with fedora and use their next release, im likely going to have a repo for it | Sep 19 23:23 |
| Ender2071 | with my own packages of some stuff | Sep 19 23:24 |
| Ender2071 | LTO enabled programs, and probably the latest kernel | Sep 19 23:24 |
| Ender2071 | fedora switched to git too, easy to clone their stuff now | Sep 19 23:24 |
| Ender2071 | or i might not bother and just use opensuse | Sep 19 23:25 |
| MinceR | Linear Tape Open? | Sep 19 23:26 |
| gnufreex | link time optimization | Sep 19 23:26 |
| MinceR | oh. :) | Sep 19 23:26 |
| gnufreex | i think | Sep 19 23:26 |
| Ender2071 | yes | Sep 19 23:26 |
| Ender2071 | link time | Sep 19 23:26 |
| Ender2071 | its the point of using gcc 4.5 in the first place | Sep 19 23:26 |
| Ender2071 | major feature | Sep 19 23:26 |
| MinceR | nice | Sep 19 23:27 |
| gnufreex | Why is Fedora banning it? | Sep 19 23:27 |
| Ender2071 | 'buggy' | Sep 19 23:27 |
| gnufreex | Well, it will get fixed by 4.6 release | Sep 19 23:27 |
| gnufreex | of GCCC | Sep 19 23:27 |
| gnufreex | GCC | Sep 19 23:27 |
| Ender2071 | at least with 4.5.0 | Sep 19 23:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Many people focus on stock and overlook the fact that Microsoft lost about half its value under Ballmer | Sep 19 23:27 | |
| Ender2071 | they'll likely have 4.6 in two years from now, lol | Sep 19 23:28 |
| gnufreex | Don't think so | Sep 19 23:28 |
| Ender2071 | redhat i mean | Sep 19 23:28 |
| Ender2071 | not gnu | Sep 19 23:28 |
| Ender2071 | they stuck with the 4.4 series a while | Sep 19 23:29 |
| gnufreex | Aha, yes RHEL 6 goes with 4.4 and it will maybe add 4.4.x build | Sep 19 23:29 |
| bruce89 | all I heard was Fedora having a delay of a week before pushing to stable and checking packages don't break dependencies | Sep 19 23:29 |
| gnufreex | But Fedora will add 4.6 when it gets available | Sep 19 23:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Uff! 00:30 Time for bed. Night everybody. | Sep 19 23:29 | |
| Ender2071 | it'll likely be between 6 months to a year for that fedora release to have it | Sep 19 23:30 |
| Ender2071 | just like now | Sep 19 23:30 |
| hazzy | Why don't companies that produce 'Ballnux' join the OIN instead? | Sep 19 23:30 |
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| Ender2071 | GCC 4.5 was released before F13 | Sep 19 23:30 |
| gnufreex | I thought Fedora is bleading edge... | Sep 19 23:30 |
| Ender2071 | less so these days | Sep 19 23:30 |
| MinceR | hazzy: probably because they wanted to sell out to the m$ agenda | Sep 19 23:30 |
| Ender2071 | thats why im bitching lol | Sep 19 23:30 |
| Ender2071 | i want bleeding edge and it seems opensuse has more of that bleeding edge | Sep 19 23:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Emulation Arrives On the PS3 http://ur1.ca/1ogzp | Sep 19 23:31 | |
| MinceR | or just betting on m$ to win | Sep 19 23:31 |
| gnufreex | F13 don't have 4.5 because they wan't same as RHEL 6 | Sep 19 23:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: PS3 Evolution PS3Emu PS3 Emulation PS3 hacks geohot hacking Emulators PS3 News PS3 Modchip PS3 News PS3 Hacking PS3 iso PS3 roms PS3 Modchips premodded premod buy PS3 Games Console now online .::. Size~: 111.06 KB | Sep 19 23:31 |
| Ender2071 | lol | Sep 19 23:31 |
| gnufreex | Maybe to test it better | Sep 19 23:31 |
| Ender2071 | RHEL 6 is using KDE 4.3 from F12 | Sep 19 23:31 |
| gnufreex | I know | Sep 19 23:31 |
| MinceR | (and failing to understand that even if m$ won, they (ballnux maintainers) would be screwed) | Sep 19 23:31 |
| Ender2071 | its terribad | Sep 19 23:31 |
| hazzy | Yea, but we won't learn of the stipulations of the deal because of those NDAs | Sep 19 23:31 |
| bruce89 | even after vmware buys them? | Sep 19 23:31 |
| MinceR | at least we know the deals exist | Sep 19 23:32 |
| Ender2071 | KDE 4.3 is obsolete even before RHEL6 is out | Sep 19 23:32 |
| MinceR | (in the cases we know about, but m$ likes to brag about them) | Sep 19 23:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lessig/@lessig] a fantastically conceived (neo-progressive) ad supporting #FENA -- pls watch and share: http://bit.ly/dhq2ON | Sep 19 23:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Voters agree: money has too much power .::. Size~: 102.95 KB | Sep 19 23:32 |
| gnufreex | I wouldn't call it obsolete. It is still better than anything M$ has. | Sep 19 23:32 |
| Ender2071 | true | Sep 19 23:33 |
| bruce89 | I don't think up-to-dateness is the point in RHEL | Sep 19 23:33 |
| gnufreex | Fact that FLOSS people are releasing early and offten doeesnt meant that software is obsolete. | Sep 19 23:33 |
| bruce89 | stableness is | Sep 19 23:33 |
| Ender2071 | yeah | Sep 19 23:33 |
| Ender2071 | but i'd expect RHEL to have software thats current, when it does ship | Sep 19 23:33 |
| MinceR | 4.3 is stable? :> | Sep 19 23:33 |
| Ender2071 | staleness is expected in its lifetime | Sep 19 23:33 |
| Ender2071 | even debian stable is pretty current when it first hits | Sep 19 23:34 |
| cubevector | 3.5.10 | Sep 19 23:34 |
| MinceR | yes, 3.5.10 is stable | Sep 19 23:34 |
| gnufreex | RHEL was always vintage | Sep 19 23:34 |
| Ender2071 | 3.5.10 is dead | Sep 19 23:34 |
| Ender2071 | end of life | Sep 19 23:34 |
| Ender2071 | bug fix only | Sep 19 23:34 |
| MinceR | it's sad if the latest stable version is dead :> | Sep 19 23:34 |
| Ender2071 | 4.5 is the latest stable version | Sep 19 23:35 |
| gnufreex | Enterprise distro needs lots of testing. | Sep 19 23:35 |
| MinceR | then again, i haven't seen 4.5 yet | Sep 19 23:35 |
| MinceR | maybe it's less fragile | Sep 19 23:35 |
| Ender2071 | fedora 14, opensuse 11.4 m1 | Sep 19 23:35 |
| Ender2071 | theres a repo for f13 that adds it | Sep 19 23:35 |
| Ender2071 | i think kubuntu has a ppa | Sep 19 23:35 |
| MinceR | gn | Sep 19 23:36 |
| gnufreex | I watch video about GNU Hurd now | Sep 19 23:36 |
| gnufreex | http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2010/debconf10/low/1117_Debian_GNUHurd.ogv | Sep 19 23:36 |
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| Ender2071 | hurd lol | Sep 19 23:37 |
| gnufreex | It is alive! | Sep 19 23:37 |
| cubevector | never tried it | Sep 19 23:37 |
| gnufreex | It has about 10 devs... and they are trying very hard. | Sep 19 23:37 |
| cubevector | my next box will probably be Haiku | Sep 19 23:38 |
| cubevector | of course all the other boxes will be GNU+Linux | Sep 19 23:38 |
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| gnufreex | I realy think it is stupid to do all that work just to reimplement Be OS. | Sep 19 23:38 |
| gnufreex | What I like about Hurd is that it is multi-server micro kernel | Sep 19 23:39 |
| cubevector | well, I thought I'd give it a go | Sep 19 23:39 |
| gnufreex | That means it can implement other OS interfaces in user space | Sep 19 23:39 |
| gnufreex | So, it is posible to make it work like Amiga OS one day | Sep 19 23:39 |
| gnufreex | And as Linux another | Sep 19 23:39 |
| gnufreex | day | Sep 19 23:39 |
| cubevector | I had high hopes for AROS | Sep 19 23:40 |
| cubevector | but it's very rough | Sep 19 23:40 |
| cubevector | well go run it and report back to us :) | Sep 19 23:40 |
| cubevector | I don't even know anyone who runs it | Sep 19 23:40 |
| gnufreex | What? Hurd? I am runing it. | Sep 19 23:41 |
| gnufreex | In a VM | Sep 19 23:41 |
| bruce89 | I hope that Fedora doesn't move to Ubuntu style not-updating-anything-in-case-it-breaks-even-if-it-actually-fixes-stuff mantra | Sep 19 23:41 |
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| bruce89 | although I agree that stable versions shouldn't change functionality wise | Sep 19 23:42 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Sep 19 23:42 |
| Ender2070 | ur nuts if u think hurd will work | Sep 19 23:42 |
| cubevector | I run a few old OSes | Sep 19 23:42 |
| gnufreex | It works. Want a screenshot? | Sep 19 23:43 |
| cubevector | sure | Sep 19 23:43 |
| bruce89 | relying on loads of PPAs is surely not a good idea | Sep 19 23:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @lessig: a fantastically conceived (neo-progressive) ad supporting #FENA -- pls watch and share: http://bit.ly/dhq2ON | Sep 19 23:44 | |
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| gnufreex | Wait till I start VM. It boots slowly on VirtualBox. It is faster with Xen | Sep 19 23:45 |
| gnufreex | who asked for Hurd screenshot ? http://i54.tinypic.com/30xg0p5.png | Sep 19 23:57 |
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| gnufreex | cubevector: Here is HURD? | Sep 19 23:58 |
| gnufreex | above | Sep 19 23:58 |
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