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schestowitz[20:51] <Chips_B_Malroy> enough about India, the future home of M$Sep 20 00:11
schestowitzFo' Sho?Sep 20 00:11
schestowitzI heard they still hireSep 20 00:12
schestowitzTodd Bishop says soSep 20 00:12
schestowitzhe doesn't say /where/Sep 20 00:12
schestowitzI know they fire a lot in the US ($$)Sep 20 00:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @laurelrusswurm arrr >GENTINA!Sep 20 00:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @harishpillay those remarks are useful. He sinks his ow company with them.Sep 20 00:17
schestowitz[23:00] <gnufreex> Evolution is made by De Icaza folowers at NoWell... they wouldn't let that change go upstreamSep 20 00:23
schestowitz"NotWell"?Sep 20 00:23
gnufreexYes..Sep 20 00:23
schestowitz[23:01] <gnufreex> Unless it is coded in C#. Then De Icaza will love it.Sep 20 00:23
schestowitzit has addons with c# or hooks for thatSep 20 00:23
schestowitzSince ages ago (2008 or earlier)Sep 20 00:24
schestowitzThis product is NotWell(R)Sep 20 00:24
gnufreexI heard something about that. But i purged Mono and evolution still works for me.Sep 20 00:25
gnufreexHeheSep 20 00:25
schestowitzsebsebseb: hi back (was away)Sep 20 00:25
schestowitzgnufreex: it doesn't need monoSep 20 00:25
schestowitzBut it can be in it like it's in GNOMESep 20 00:26
schestowitzas an addon of convenienceSep 20 00:26
gnufreexGot it. Has add on framework.Sep 20 00:26
schestowitzOr as I argues with Mono booster 2 years ago, evolution mono plugins may be requires if your colleague uses themSep 20 00:26
bruce89good lord, I have just found out about the Jobsian "sent by Ubuntu"Sep 20 00:27
gnufreexGota goSep 20 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] installed #quassel-core on the server, quassel-client on my desktop. whoa, does that rock! :) !kdeSep 20 00:29
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schestowitzbruce89: sent from my hype^H^H^H^H^H^HSep 20 00:30
bruce89this IRC message sent by FedoraSep 20 00:30
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/files/o4FV3.ogvSep 20 00:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Not a web page! Aborting application/ogg type .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 20 00:30
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/files/o4FV3.ogvSep 20 00:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Not a web page! Aborting application/ogg type .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 20 00:30
schestowitzWell, it's a vidSep 20 00:31
schestowitzhttp://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-in-email-pissing-match-with-college-journalism-student-exclusive-2010-9Sep 20 00:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Now Steve Jobs Is Having An Email Pissing Match with A College Journalism Student .::. Size~: 298.85 KBSep 20 00:31
schestowitz"Steve Jobs is known  for replying to random emails sent to his personal Apple email address. Well, a college journalism student from Long Island emailed him about a problem she had with Apple's PR department. Jobs' response? "Leave us alone." "Sep 20 00:31
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/14/jobs_stars/Sep 20 00:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Steve Jobs carried 'ninja throwing stars' in hand luggage • The Register .::. Size~: 24.07 KBSep 20 00:31
schestowitzJobs -- like Gates -- plays his PR face to the camerasSep 20 00:31
schestowitzAnd the flock thinks that's the real stuffSep 20 00:31
schestowitz"Fuck! It took you a year to figure that out!" Bill GatesSep 20 00:31
schestowitz"That’s the dumbest fucking idea I’ve heard since I’ve been at Microsoft." - Bill GatesSep 20 00:32
schestowitz""They trust me — dumb fucks," says Zuckerberg in one of the instant messages, first published by former Valleywag Nicholas Carlson at Silicon Alley Insider, and now confirmed by Zuckerberg himself in Jose Antonio Vargas's New Yorker piece. Zuckerberg now tells Vargas, "I think I've grown and learned a lot" since those instant messages."Sep 20 00:32
schestowitzfrom http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks btwSep 20 00:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Facebook CEO Admits To Calling Users 'Dumb Fucks' .::. Size~: 82.34 KBSep 20 00:33
schestowitzand many other sourcesSep 20 00:33
schestowitzIt's confirmed now, by himselfSep 20 00:33
schestowitzWell, it was already confirmed his statement was a true oneSep 20 00:33
schestowitzNow it's validated that he also said it :_)Sep 20 00:33
hazzyschestowitz: That was part of the reason that I deactivated my account.Sep 20 00:34
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/b8H6y/Sep 20 00:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Top 6 disadvantages of Linux .::. Size~: 5.23 KBSep 20 00:36
schestowitzListen to #1Sep 20 00:36
schestowitzAs if Windows has no kidsSep 20 00:36
schestowitzOr idiotsSep 20 00:36
schestowitzhazzy: it's still visible unless you delete itSep 20 00:37
hazzyOh, really?Sep 20 00:37
hazzyOh, I'll need to look into that thenSep 20 00:37
schestowitzThe Vista Song http://tinyogg.com/watch/nnCVX/Sep 20 00:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: MADE IN INDIA! .::. Size~: 5.2 KBSep 20 00:37
schestowitzhttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16929680703Sep 20 00:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to permanently delete your facebook account. | Facebook .::. Size~: 42.61 KBSep 20 00:38
schestowitzFacebookhides the optionSep 20 00:38
schestowitzYou need to paste a URL into the addy barSep 20 00:38
schestowitzZucky likes to harvest teeny profiles in his nettySep 20 00:39
hazzyOh, ok, thanksSep 20 00:39
hazzyCool, got it taken care ofSep 20 00:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] now triple booting the netbook; added Mint 9 Gnome to start screencastingSep 20 00:44
Ender2070lolSep 20 00:48
Ender2070thats old newsSep 20 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Listening to Oggcast - Juiced Penguin 043 – The Gospel of METAL! http://juicedpenguin.com/ !metal !ogg - Great stuff!Sep 20 00:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Juiced Penguin .::. Size~: 27.8 KBSep 20 00:49
Ender2070that facebook stuff came out a while agoSep 20 00:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @webmink Wikipedia deletionism again snuffing out enthusiasm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/OpenIndianaSep 20 00:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OpenIndiana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 55.55 KBSep 20 00:51
schestowitztessier: pingSep 20 00:52
schestowitztessier: I get internal server errorSep 20 00:52
schestowitztessier: nm, works nowSep 20 00:54
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schestowitzodd, not sure what occurred :-)Sep 20 00:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana RT @webmink Wikipedia deletionism again snuffing out enthusiasm: http://ur1.ca/1oe5oSep 20 00:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OpenIndiana - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 55.55 KBSep 20 00:56
Ender2070openindiana hatersSep 20 00:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 20/9/2010: “Sent Using Ubuntu”, #OpenOffice .org Succeeds at Fullerton India http://ur1.ca/1oho6 !techrightsSep 20 00:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 20/9/2010: “Sent Using Ubuntu”, OpenOffice.org Succeeds at Fullerton India | Techrights .::. Size~: 130.42 KBSep 20 00:59
schestowitzEnder2070: hataz'Sep 20 00:59
Ender2070lolSep 20 00:59
Ender2070in other news pwnage.ca is likely to go offline next monthSep 20 01:00
bruce89wouldn't "forked by ubuntu" be more pertinent?Sep 20 01:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] After a nice day of software freedom I have about 20 posts coming about new Microsoft/Apple/SCO failures. I'll start tonight.Sep 20 01:01
Ender2070better watch out bruce, the shuttleworth might be angry on his blog about your valid commentsSep 20 01:01
bruce89och, I was just joking in a sort of true waySep 20 01:03
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schestowitzHi, Chips_B_MalroySep 20 01:04
schestowitzThanks for the URLsSep 20 01:04
Chips_B_MalroyHi RoySep 20 01:04
schestowitzThey are all merged with my notes nowSep 20 01:04
schestowitzI have loads of stuff comingSep 20 01:05
schestowitzI could post 30 posts tomorrowSep 20 01:05
schestowitzOr pace downSep 20 01:05
Chips_B_Malroyyou always doSep 20 01:05
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/09/18/intel-wants-to-charge-50-to-unlock-stuff-your-cpu-can-already-d/Sep 20 01:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Intel wants to charge $50 to unlock stuff your CPU can already do -- Engadget .::. Size~: 64.8 KBSep 20 01:05
schestowitzbruce89: bracnched?Sep 20 01:05
schestowitzA lot of s/w is like thisSep 20 01:05
schestowitze.g. xchat, which distros build with linkage to their irc channel/sSep 20 01:05
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yeah, posted thatSep 20 01:06
schestowitzScroll down to hardware http://techrights.org/2010/09/19/openoffice-india-success/Sep 20 01:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 20/9/2010: “Sent Using Ubuntu”, OpenOffice.org Succeeds at Fullerton India | Techrights .::. Size~: 130.43 KBSep 20 01:06
schestowitznew section just to Intel follySep 20 01:06
Chips_B_Malroyits hard to find stuff you have not already doneSep 20 01:06
schestowitzI read a lotSep 20 01:06
schestowitzI duped IDG thoughSep 20 01:06
schestowitzClears up timeSep 20 01:06
Chips_B_Malroyshill site anywaySep 20 01:07
Chips_B_MalroyIDGSep 20 01:07
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/goldman-sachs-bullies-on_b_713908.htmlSep 20 01:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Janet Tavakoli: Goldman Sachs: Bullies on the Block .::. Size~: 256.55 KBSep 20 01:07
schestowitzAs long as you don't ask me about celebrities and famous athletes, I'm OKSep 20 01:08
schestowitzIDG is not too badSep 20 01:08
schestowitzThe news siteSep 20 01:08
schestowitzPC World and so onSep 20 01:08
schestowitzBut they don't need to be rewardedSep 20 01:08
schestowitzI adjusted my reading list to people without conflicts of interesSep 20 01:08
schestowitzaproposSep 20 01:08
schestowitzMajor news for you...Sep 20 01:08
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/gnm-press-office/guardian-launches-global-development-siteSep 20 01:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  The Guardian launches global development website with Gates Foundation | GNM press office | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 51.47 KBSep 20 01:09
schestowitzhttp://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2010/9/14/4629890.htmlSep 20 01:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Microsoft front groups and astroturfers should have "sent by Microsoft" as their email / blog / forum signatureSep 20 01:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gates Keepers :: How much did the Gates Foundation bribe the Guardian to make a 'news' website in its interests? .::. Size~: 21.81 KBSep 20 01:09
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/sep/10/technology-links-newsbucketSep 20 01:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  The Technology newsbucket: Microsoft's missing apps, Apple the virus?, NZ quakes and more | Technology | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 89.22 KBSep 20 01:09
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/sep/17/melinda-gates-microsoft-foundation-charitySep 20 01:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Melinda Gates: gods with chequebooks | From the Guardian | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 83.7 KBSep 20 01:09
schestowitzhttp://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2010/9/18/4633757.htmlSep 20 01:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gates Keepers :: The Guardian brown noses Melinda .::. Size~: 30.92 KBSep 20 01:09
schestowitzhttp://humanosphere.kplu.org/2010/09/gates-funds-guardian-news-site-which-then-profiles-melinda-gates/Sep 20 01:10
schestowitzhttp://www.bluhalo.com/news/view/8090/bill-gates-teams-up-with-british-newspaper-to-launch-new-websiteSep 20 01:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gates Funds Guardian News Site, Which Then Profiles Melinda Gates?  | Humanosphere .::. Size~: 40.43 KBSep 20 01:10
Chips_B_Malroyso the Guardian is lostSep 20 01:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bill Gates Teams up with British Newspaper to Launch New Website - news from Bluhalo, a leading digital agency. .::. Size~: 18.14 KBSep 20 01:10
schestowitzDo you still trust the Guardian?Sep 20 01:10
schestowitzThey found a way to profit from journalistSep 20 01:10
schestowitz=selling biasSep 20 01:10
schestowitz*jourlismSep 20 01:10
Chips_B_MalroyI noticed back some time ago the Guardian news story lacked punch they used to haveSep 20 01:10
schestowitzI told RMSSep 20 01:10
schestowitzhe likes GuardianSep 20 01:10
schestowitzMaybe he'll drop itSep 20 01:11
Chips_B_Malroythey were goodSep 20 01:11
schestowitzHalf his links in his blog are to the GuardianSep 20 01:11
schestowitzMaybe 30%Sep 20 01:11
schestowitzI used to read them on my PalmSep 20 01:11
schestowitz2002Sep 20 01:11
schestowitzThey had a Palm appSep 20 01:11
Chips_B_Malroythey sold outSep 20 01:11
schestowitzOr reading entry for on-to-go thingSep 20 01:11
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: they sure have, but...Sep 20 01:11
schestowitzHuff7Puff did tooSep 20 01:11
schestowitzI don't have proof thoughSep 20 01:11
schestowitzNot smoking gunSep 20 01:12
schestowitzThey have a new sectionSep 20 01:12
schestowitzArianna made it after dinner with GatesSep 20 01:12
schestowitzAnd she didn't say if there were financial interestsSep 20 01:12
schestowitzOr transactionSep 20 01:12
schestowitzBuit...Sep 20 01:12
Chips_B_Malroywell, sometimes a story might slip pass themSep 20 01:12
schestowitzI'll write about it ext weekSep 20 01:12
schestowitz*nextSep 20 01:12
schestowitzvSep 20 01:12
schestowitzhttp://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2010/9/9/4624562.htmlSep 20 01:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gates Keepers :: Buy your own TED and put yourself on the podium .::. Size~: 17.03 KBSep 20 01:12
schestowitzhttp://www.probonoaustralia.com.au/news/2010/09/10-years-millennium-development-goals-tedxchange-eventSep 20 01:13
schestowitzhttp://www.parkrecord.com/ci_16074555Sep 20 01:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 10 Years of the Millennium Development Goals -TEDxChange Event   | Pro Bono Australia .::. Size~: 45.51 KBSep 20 01:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sundance docs to premiere as part of TEDxChange - The Park Record .::. Size~: 44.23 KBSep 20 01:13
Ender2070selling to the left wing or right wing is a good ideaSep 20 01:13
schestowitzhttp://www.realwire.com/releases/TEDxLondon-Speaker-Line-up-announced-ahead-of-The-Future-We-Make-event-at-The-Science-MuseumSep 20 01:13
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/videoblogging/archives/221853.aspSep 20 01:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TEDxLondon Speaker Line-up announced ahead of The Future We Make event at The Science Museum  .::. Size~: 24.8 KBSep 20 01:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Studios Will Stream Sold-Out @TEDxRedmond Kids-2-Kids Conference Today at 2 .::. Size~: 59.67 KBSep 20 01:13
Ender2070lots of money to be made from zealotsSep 20 01:13
schestowitzTED|GatesSep 20 01:13
schestowitzI already have the logoSep 20 01:13
schestowitzTED: Now in many flavoursSep 20 01:13
schestowitzRedmond, B&M... Microsoft UK/LondonSep 20 01:13
Ender2070RMS was trying to tell me China was facist, not communistSep 20 01:14
schestowitzGates is so generousSep 20 01:14
Chips_B_Malroyeven sites like eweek (ms-watch) had to post a story somewhat criticle of MS occasionally.  Otherwise, who will read all powder puff pieces glorifing Microsoft?Sep 20 01:14
schestowitzHe pays to educate the public with GatesSep 20 01:14
schestowitzMaybe he'll open a jar with cuddly frogs this yearSep 20 01:14
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Microsoft Nick is idleSep 20 01:14
schestowitzI watched him todayISep 20 01:15
schestowitzin eweek he wrote only 1 article I sawSep 20 01:15
schestowitzSo I hope he loses steamSep 20 01:15
schestowitzThis way Gates will need to burn more cash buying pseudo-articles and lackeys who write themSep 20 01:15
schestowitzHuff&Puff hasSep 20 01:15
Chips_B_Malroythe WP7 debacable is about to unraval, that we give the shills something to right about for awhileSep 20 01:15
schestowitzCausecast -Sep 20 01:15
schestowitzpotentially sponsored by GatesSep 20 01:15
schestowitzI need disclosure on thatSep 20 01:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Cuil, once touted as a 'Google killer,' appears to be dead http://ur1.ca/1ohscSep 20 01:16
schestowitzMaybe someone here can mail Huff&PuffSep 20 01:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cuil, once touted as a 'Google killer,' appears to be dead .::. Size~: 68.61 KBSep 20 01:16
schestowitzAnd ask who funds CausecastSep 20 01:16
schestowitzit's like the Guardian's new "Bill's corner"Sep 20 01:16
schestowitzBBC also gives BIll columnsSep 20 01:16
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-raikes/eradicating-polio-lets-fi_b_707979.htmlplacement from the head of the Gates Foundation:Sep 20 01:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jeff Raikes: Eradicating Polio: Let's Finish the Job .::. Size~: 117.06 KBSep 20 01:16
schestowitzGosh, love 'journalism'...Sep 20 01:16
schestowitzIt feels so.... rareSep 20 01:17
schestowitzA scarcitySep 20 01:17
schestowitzPR took over itSep 20 01:17
schestowitzhttp://www.goldmansachs666.com/2010/09/how-goldman-sachs-makes-its-money.html "From PBS comes this video which reviews how Goldman Sachs takes great pleasure in making money in whatever way presents itself while at the same time ignoring the sufferings of those from whom they obtain their money."Sep 20 01:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Goldman Sachs Information, Comments, Opinions and Facts: How Goldman Sachs Makes Its Money .::. Size~: 114.15 KBSep 20 01:17
schestowitzGoldman Sachs spends massive $$ on PR right nowSep 20 01:18
schestowitzYou don't need to behave wellSep 20 01:18
schestowitzYou just need to be rich enough... to buy PRSep 20 01:18
schestowitzPR is cheap when you are a billionaire.., dirt cheapSep 20 01:18
schestowitzWarren... the Omaha GODSep 20 01:19
Chips_B_MalroyBut buying PR and Journalists, is not working so well for MS anymore, is it?  Their products are really becoming dated, and do not address the problems of their users.  Malware is a big problem for windows users.  So other choices outside the MS world are slowly being adopted.Sep 20 01:19
schestowitzHow Goldman Sachs Makes Its MoneySep 20 01:19
schestowitzLAMOSep 20 01:19
schestowitzLMAO evenSep 20 01:19
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/sep/17/melinda-gates-microsoft-foundation-charitySep 20 01:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Melinda Gates: gods with chequebooks | From the Guardian | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 83.7 KBSep 20 01:19
schestowitzAt this^^Sep 20 01:19
schestowitzGOD!!Sep 20 01:19
schestowitzMelinda will save the worldSep 20 01:20
schestowitzCause she took all the cashSep 20 01:20
schestowitzThanks to the GuardianSep 20 01:20
schestowitzFor excellent, investigative journalism :-)Sep 20 01:20
schestowitzNow, let's arrange that Nobel price for peace.. for Bush. I mean, Kissinger got one, no? :-)Sep 20 01:20
Chips_B_MalroyI would say that Android might be the tipping point for GNU/Linux.  As once Andriod gains a foothold on Tablets, the desktop is in play.  It then becomes easy for users who embrace Android to try GNU/Linux.Sep 20 01:20
cubevectordidn't she work on Microsoft Bob?Sep 20 01:21
schestowitzSep 20 01:21
schestowitz[01:19] <Chips_B_Malroy> But buying PR and Journalists, is not working so well for MS anymoreSep 20 01:21
schestowitz.5bn on KIN platformSep 20 01:21
schestowitzMarketingSep 20 01:21
schestowitzKINect tooSep 20 01:21
schestowitzhttp://www.destructoid.com/sony-would-never-outspend-microsoft-s-kinect-marketing-183584.phtmlSep 20 01:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sony would 'never outspend' Microsoft's Kinect marketing- Destructoid .::. Size~: 187.62 KBSep 20 01:21
schestowitzhttp://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/82005/sony-we-wont-outspend-microsoft/Sep 20 01:21
schestowitzhttp://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/103369-Sony-Well-Never-Beat-Microsoft-on-Marketing-BudgetsSep 20 01:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sony: We Won't Outspend Microsoft - gamrFeed .::. Size~: 57.83 KBSep 20 01:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Escapist : News : Sony: We'll Never Beat Microsoft on Marketing Budgets .::. Size~: 38.89 KBSep 20 01:22
schestowitzKINect has fake coverageSep 20 01:22
Chips_B_MalroyMS is flooding the waves with Kinect piecesSep 20 01:22
schestowitzIt's PR/placementsSep 20 01:22
schestowitzNatal got bad PRSep 20 01:22
schestowitzI reckonSep 20 01:22
schestowitzThey changed identitySep 20 01:22
schestowitznymshiftingSep 20 01:22
schestowitzhttp://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/82005/sony-we-wont-outspend-microsoft/Sep 20 01:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sony: We Won't Outspend Microsoft - gamrFeed .::. Size~: 57.75 KBSep 20 01:22
schestowitzStill months ahead of launchSep 20 01:23
schestowitzTell Ballmer he can still renameSep 20 01:23
Chips_B_Malroyso why not change the Zune name as well?  Never could figure out why MS kept that one.  Its a failure too.Sep 20 01:23
schestowitzOopsSep 20 01:23
schestowitzWrong linkSep 20 01:23
schestowitzhttp://www.product-reviews.net/2010/09/07/xbox-360-kinect-still-having-recognition-problems/Sep 20 01:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Xbox 360 Kinect: Still having Recognition Problems? : Product Reviews Net .::. Size~: 25.9 KBSep 20 01:23
schestowitzAZune cloud not mentioned this monthSep 20 01:23
cubevectorevidently Microsoft is changing their slogan againSep 20 01:23
schestowitzIt's DOASep 20 01:23
schestowitzMaybe Microsoft will kill itSep 20 01:23
cubevector"Be What's Next"Sep 20 01:23
schestowitzOr merge with BPOS or somethingSep 20 01:23
schestowitz"Be POS"Sep 20 01:24
cubevector;-)Sep 20 01:24
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/10/microsoft_bpos_apology/Sep 20 01:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft hangs head, makes apology for US cloud bust • The Register .::. Size~: 24.97 KBSep 20 01:24
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/205154/microsoft_apologizes_for_service_outages.htmlSep 20 01:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Apologizes for Service Outages - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 62.16 KBSep 20 01:24
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-exchange-online-users-reporting-more-cloud-access-problems/7314Sep 20 01:24
Chips_B_MalroyKinect has to make money this Xmas shopping season, and its over after that as far as the big PR push on that.Sep 20 01:24
schestowitz..Sep 20 01:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Exchange Online users reporting more cloud access problems | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 132.2 KBSep 20 01:24
cubevectorit's strange, Radio Shack used to be pretty big in CanadaSep 20 01:25
Chips_B_Malroyso did Ballmer forget to pay the power bill, or malware attack the servers?Sep 20 01:25
cubevectornow it's completely gone from CanadaSep 20 01:25
Chips_B_MalroyI hope ChromeOS is a nasty surpize for MSSep 20 01:27
Chips_B_MalroyAre we getting close to another M$ quarter review?Sep 20 01:28
Chips_B_Malroywhich will mean a new post by Mini MSFTSep 20 01:28
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Chips_B_Malroyhe only seems to post when the news comes out each quarter nowSep 20 01:29
cubevectorthe OEM's have to get into the actSep 20 01:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @webmink @fontana you've noticed that all votes in that page are 'keep', right? It's an open process for everyone, but the community decide.Sep 20 01:29
schestowitzminiMSFT made a crappy postSep 20 01:29
schestowitzhis/her latest oneSep 20 01:29
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: MSFT got downgradedSep 20 01:29
schestowitzTwice last weekSep 20 01:29
schestowitzPost coming..Sep 20 01:29
Chips_B_Malroymaybe everyone is not buying into its cheaper to borrow money that to use our vast billions which is in other countries?Sep 20 01:30
Chips_B_Malroyquestion is, if they were going broke in one country, would they move money out of another to shore it up?  If they could not borrow.Sep 20 01:32
Chips_B_MalroyBankrupcy laws here are different than other countries.Sep 20 01:32
Chips_B_MalroyThere are ways to game the bankrupcy system.Sep 20 01:33
Chips_B_MalroyI would not put it past MS to do that in the future.Sep 20 01:33
Chips_B_MalroyToo big to fail krap.Sep 20 01:33
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/09/19/irc-log-19092010/Sep 20 01:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: IRC Proceedings: September 19th, 2010 | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.79 KBSep 20 01:36
schestowitzOK, let's get it ON now :-)Sep 20 01:36
schestowitzI have so many good posts comingSep 20 01:36
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: SCO didSep 20 01:37
schestowitzAnd Microsoft is weird...Sep 20 01:37
schestowitzhttp://www.mysmartrend.com/news-briefs/news-watch/morgan-stanley-cuts-estimates-microsoft-corps-slower-pc-sales-ms-msft http://www.americanbankingnews.com/2010/09/13/morgan-stanley-nyse-ms-lowers-estimates-on-microsoft-nasdaq-msft/Sep 20 01:37
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schestowitzhttp://www.ibtimes.com/articles/63243/20100917/microsoft-windows-office-pc-consumer-demand-halo.htmSep 20 01:37
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schestowitzhttp://www.ibtimes.com/articles/62073/20100914/jefferies-microsoft-software-dividend-buy-rating-price-target-ipad-debt-repurchase-earnings-estimate.htmSep 20 01:38
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Chips_B_Malroy"<schestowitz> Chips_B_Malroy: MSFT got downgraded"  Wall Street understand that MS has no new products it can market when the 2 cash cows die.  They also understand the the cows are sick.Sep 20 01:38
Chips_B_MalroyWindows is an udder drag.Sep 20 01:38
schestowitzhttp://www.benzinga.com/analyst-ratings/analyst-color/10/09/471674/jefferies-thinks-microsoft-could-borrow-4-5-billion-msftSep 20 01:38
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schestowitzdecline in Windows revenue over timeSep 20 01:39
Chips_B_MalroyGoogle is pressing the fight against Microsoft using Linux as its tool.  Once MS is on the ropes then Apple is next.Sep 20 01:40
schestowitz"[W]e're not going to have products that are much more successful than Vista has been." -Steve BallmerSep 20 01:40
schestowitzQuote from WilcoxSep 20 01:40
cubevectorwindows wasn't an immediate successSep 20 01:40
schestowitz“In reality, Microsoft’s Q3 2010 profits from Windows were up 35% over its Q3 2009 figures only because Q3 2009 had plunged to $2,273 million, making this year’s Q3 income of $3,061 million seem like growth when in reality, it was still lower than Microsoft had reported in Q3 2008 (when the company earned $3.1 billion) and significantly down from 2007 (when it earned $4.2 billion).”Sep 20 01:41
Chips_B_Malroy"<schestowitz> "[W]e're not going to have products that are much more successful than Vista has been." -Steve Ballmer"  Which means MS is toast and is only depending on lockin.Sep 20 01:41
schestowitzhttp://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/04/26/microsofts-great-windows-7-growth-lie/Sep 20 01:41
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cubevectorit started to become popular around 3.0Sep 20 01:41
schestowitzyeahSep 20 01:41
schestowitz'free'Sep 20 01:41
schestowitzunless from OEMSep 20 01:41
schestowitzDumpingSep 20 01:41
cubevectordid they dump version 3.0?Sep 20 01:41
cubevectorcan't remember nowSep 20 01:42
Chips_B_MalroyI don't think soSep 20 01:42
cubevectorI seem to remember a price around $99Sep 20 01:42
cubevectorwhen did the OEM's switch to windows?Sep 20 01:43
cubevectorI know for certain that in 1991 it wasn't the caseSep 20 01:43
cubevectorMS DOS 4.01Sep 20 01:43
Chips_B_Malroythere was no copy protection on those floppies back then. so that flooded the market with early 2.x and 2.xSep 20 01:43
cubevectorhonestly I didn't see a lot of 2.0Sep 20 01:44
cubevectorwindows/386 I saw thatSep 20 01:44
Chips_B_Malroybut many other software had copy protection of floppiesSep 20 01:44
cubevectorChips_B_Malroy, I don't think Xenix didSep 20 01:44
cubevectoror AmigaOSSep 20 01:44
Chips_B_Malroyso in a way, yes, MS dumped it on the marketSep 20 01:44
cubevectorof course, AmigaOS only ran on AmigasSep 20 01:44
Chips_B_Malroywasn't Xenix Microsoft?Sep 20 01:45
cubevectororiginally yesSep 20 01:45
Chips_B_Malroyat one pointSep 20 01:45
cubevectorthen it switched to SCOSep 20 01:45
cubevectorwhen did Windows 3.0 come out... I think around 1992Sep 20 01:46
cubevector22 May 1990Sep 20 01:46
cubevectorok, well Commodore wasn't into windows obviouslySep 20 01:46
cubevectorthat is the OEM I'm most knowledgeable aboutSep 20 01:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Clock/radio parents bought me in 1988 broke. Been hoping it'd last long enough I'd tell a future coworker:"My clock/radio's older than you".Sep 20 01:49
schestowitzSep 20 01:52
schestowitz[01:41] <cubevector> did they dump version 3.0?Sep 20 01:52
schestowitzNo enforcementSep 20 01:52
Chips_B_Malroynot sure if even win 3.11 for workgroups had copy protection on floppies.  I think Windows 95, the floppy version did.  Might be wrong.Sep 20 01:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz :DSep 20 01:54
cubevectorthey had DMFSep 20 01:54
Chips_B_MalroyOr maybe it was that wierd floppy format,Sep 20 01:54
Chips_B_Malroyyes, thats itSep 20 01:54
cubevectorDistributed Media Format, holds more than a regular 1.44 diskSep 20 01:55
Chips_B_MalroyIBM did the same with OS/2 Warp floppies, but used another formatSep 20 01:55
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Chips_B_Malroyreally, its was a form of copy protection when all is said and doneSep 20 01:55
cubevectorbut I'm not sure when did the OEMs start to kowtow to windows and microsoftSep 20 01:55
Chips_B_Malroyit was their first attempt to really get people to buy itSep 20 01:56
Chips_B_MalroyCubevector>  the big push I seen from MS was to get OEM's to put Windows only on their computers, and not to use OS/2.  So 94 and 95Sep 20 01:57
Chips_B_Malroyat least from my point of view, thats when Bill brought out the brass knuclesSep 20 01:58
cubevectorI can't even think of what the competition to windows was in those daysSep 20 01:58
cubevectoryes, that seems about rightSep 20 01:58
Chips_B_MalroyDrDos, and IBM OS/2Sep 20 01:59
cubevectorthere was BSD and nascent Linux tooSep 20 01:59
cubevectorrightSep 20 01:59
cubevectorand of course AmigaOSSep 20 01:59
Chips_B_MalroyUnix was very expensiveSep 20 01:59
Chips_B_MalroyBeOS came latter to the PCSep 20 01:59
cubevectorabout a grand for Unix System V with the programming stuff as I recallSep 20 01:59
Ender2070five grandSep 20 02:00
Ender2070oh no waitSep 20 02:00
Ender2070500 grandSep 20 02:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Another Dead #Microsoft Product: Vine http://ur1.ca/1oi2h #vine #fail #services #funeral #beta #spin #buzzSep 20 02:01
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cubezzzMark Williams had something for 99 bucksSep 20 02:01
cubezzzhow much was BeOS?Sep 20 02:02
cubezzzcan't remember nowSep 20 02:02
Chips_B_Malroyearly BeOS was developed for Apple computers, and later versions for PCSep 20 02:02
Chips_B_MalroyBeOS had a personal (freeware) version for the PCSep 20 02:03
cubezzzI remember using R1 or something in 1998Sep 20 02:03
cubezzzyeahSep 20 02:03
Chips_B_Malroyalso, you can still get BeOSMax, which is based on the personal freeware version, and is quite good, but datedSep 20 02:04
cubezzzmay as well just use HaikuSep 20 02:04
cubezzzI was running a IRC client on it just the other daySep 20 02:04
Chips_B_Malroywell Haiku is a lot freerSep 20 02:04
Chips_B_Malroybut the BeOSMax is a nice trip into the pastSep 20 02:05
*schestowitz couldn't edit the wikiSep 20 02:05
schestowitzForgot the Palm at someone's house last nightSep 20 02:05
schestowitzFound it on jpilot for the time being..... could log in :)Sep 20 02:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] This year, on average, a Microsoft product dies every 3 weeks. http://ur1.ca/yo9o #microsoft #demiseSep 20 02:06
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Chips_B_MalroyRoy> I thought the Best Buy CEO saying and then almost retracting his statement, that iPad is now cutting sales of windows laptop by 50%, very interesting.Sep 20 02:07
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cubezzzwell if it is, it isSep 20 02:08
cubezzzhe should knowSep 20 02:08
Chips_B_MalroySome articles have suggested that OEM and MS pressure was put on him to retract that statementSep 20 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I have to admit, it seems kind of odd to hold on to a clock/radio for 22 years. :-)Sep 20 02:09
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Chips_B_Malroywhile I do not what to get into a apple vs ms battle, what matters is that MS is losing 25% of OEM sales if the Best Buy CEO is correct.  And if Apple with its iPad can do this, what will Android and Linux do when they arrive to replace iPad?  It will be even worse then for MS.Sep 20 02:10
cubezzzhopefully yesSep 20 02:11
cubezzzthere will be real competition in the OS spaceSep 20 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @schestowitz http://identi.ca/notice/51338807Sep 20 02:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just did a few test screencasts, audio coming through loud and clearSep 20 02:14
Chips_B_MalroyAndroid will be cheaper than iPad, and more open.  It should follow that it will be a bigger problem for MS.Sep 20 02:14
Chips_B_MalroyAt what point do you think we will see MS actually improve Windows and its security?Sep 20 02:15
cubezzzthey would have to replace windows I thinkSep 20 02:16
Chips_B_MalroyNot that it can ever completely fix those problems, but certainly it can improve themSep 20 02:16
Chips_B_MalroyThey would lose the market without backward compatablitySep 20 02:17
Chips_B_Malroyso replaceing windows, noSep 20 02:17
Chips_B_Malroynot going happenSep 20 02:17
Chips_B_Malroyof course, Ballmer might elect to continue to just milk the dying cash cow as long as possible and do nothing.Sep 20 02:18
cubezzzmajor phase shifts do happenSep 20 02:18
cubezzzat one point, Microsoft had XenixSep 20 02:19
Chips_B_Malroyif Ballmer leaves, yesSep 20 02:19
Chips_B_Malroythat has to happen at some pointSep 20 02:19
cubevectorchanging computers again :)Sep 20 02:20
cubevectoronly one of the computers has a scannerSep 20 02:20
cubevectorwell I feel the writing is on the wall for MicrosoftSep 20 02:21
cubevectormainly windows was forced on people/companiesSep 20 02:21
Chips_B_MalroyMS has become the victum of their own successSep 20 02:22
cubevectornever did I think it was the best OSSep 20 02:22
Chips_B_MalroyI knew it was always substandardSep 20 02:22
cubevectorit was horribleSep 20 02:23
Chips_B_MalroySteve and Bill relied on the lockin and the control of the OEM's so much that they forgot they needed to improve their product to keep the competition away.Sep 20 02:24
cubevectorSunSoft, HP, IBM and USL came up with CDE in 1993Sep 20 02:24
Chips_B_MalroyMaybe its too late to do that now.Sep 20 02:24
cubevectorhad things went better people could all be using Unix/CDE instead of windowsSep 20 02:25
cubevectoror Xerox, or Amiga, or etc, etcSep 20 02:25
cubevectoror even BSD for that matterSep 20 02:26
Chips_B_MalroyAmiga at the time I missed, but that was interesting choice.Sep 20 02:29
cubevectorChips_B_Malroy, they really botched up things at CommodoreSep 20 02:29
cubevectorthey even had Amix, which was a full port of AT&T Unix System V Release 4 for the Amiga familySep 20 02:30
cubevectorand they LOST the source code!Sep 20 02:30
cubevectorI would have loved to see it in actionSep 20 02:32
Chips_B_MalroyI agree things are changingSep 20 02:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Wants the Network, Starts White Space PR http://ur1.ca/1oicj #fcc #whitespace #airwave #monopoly #spectrumSep 20 02:37
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cubevectorthere was the A3000UXSep 20 02:38
Chips_B_MalroyWe need Google and its Android Army to break the hold on OEM's that MS has.Sep 20 02:38
cubevectorbasically an Amiga 3000 with Unix on itSep 20 02:38
Chips_B_MalroyBut in some ways, Apple did that with it's iPad.  It made HP buy PalmSep 20 02:38
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Ender2070I wouldn't touch beos with a ten foot poleSep 20 02:39
Chips_B_Malroywell, me eitherSep 20 02:39
Ender2070its IP is owned by ACCESSSep 20 02:39
Ender2070volunteer exploiterSep 20 02:39
Chips_B_MalroyyepSep 20 02:39
schestowitzOne-way accessSep 20 02:41
schestowitzCode can accessSep 20 02:41
schestowitznot come outSep 20 02:41
schestowitz"we love OSS"Sep 20 02:42
schestowitz[to get, not to give]Sep 20 02:42
Ender2070of course they doSep 20 02:42
Ender2070who wouldn't love free code?Sep 20 02:42
schestowitzgo go ossSep 20 02:42
schestowitzmore codeSep 20 02:42
cubevectorthat's why there's the GPLSep 20 02:42
Ender2070why doesnt ACCESS give the haiku project codeSep 20 02:42
Ender2070becauseSep 20 02:43
Ender2070its their codeSep 20 02:43
Ender2070and they own itSep 20 02:43
schestowitzIPSep 20 02:43
Ender2070cubevector - the GPL doesn't require contributionSep 20 02:43
schestowitzpropertySep 20 02:43
schestowitzthou shalt not STEALSep 20 02:43
Ender2070they can USE our code fine, nothing says they cantSep 20 02:43
Ender2070but pretending to be all about open source when you are just USING, is misrepresentationSep 20 02:44
schestowitzapple.com/opensourceSep 20 02:45
schestowitzMany companies set up this dirSep 20 02:45
schestowitzwith redir or index.htmlSep 20 02:45
cubevectorI'm not sure if people want anything I ported, but I should put it up on the webSep 20 02:46
cubevectormostly it's for zaurusSep 20 02:46
schestowitz"<title>Blah.....we use:<ul><li>apache</li>....</ul> click here to enter the protal to donate some code to us"Sep 20 02:46
cubevectorsome of the MS DOS stuff I wrote is on there, since 1996Sep 20 02:47
schestowitz /cloud/index.html ..... "<img src="/i/fluffy_clouds.jpg">The clouds!! it's the future... come join the windmills and fluffers ans stuff.."Sep 20 02:48
Ender2070I'm thinking the Canadian Action Party is probably the smartestSep 20 02:48
cubevectoryeah we have lots of choicesSep 20 02:50
cubezzzporting stuff from MS DOS to Linux to this daySep 20 02:53
cubezzzit's not too bad going from QuickC to Linux C/xlibSep 20 02:53
Ender2070CAP is like the only party which mentions the new world order and is trying to protect Canadian soverigntySep 20 02:55
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Ender2071omg this internet sucksSep 20 02:56
cubezzzyeah I would really recommend toronto freenetSep 20 02:57
cubezzzabout $40 per monthSep 20 02:58
Ender2071doesnt seem to matter which ISP is used hereSep 20 02:58
Ender2071it drops all the time anywaySep 20 02:58
Ender2071DSLSep 20 02:58
cubezzzhmmmSep 20 02:58
Ender2071its all bellSep 20 02:58
Chips_B_Malroyhow big a job to port a game in Delphi to Linux?  http://www.c-evo.org/Sep 20 02:58
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cubezzzyeah but I'm not being dropped all the time Ender2071Sep 20 02:58
Ender2071i knowSep 20 02:59
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cubezzzbeen on for daysSep 20 02:59
Ender2071its a line problemSep 20 02:59
Ender2071my friend used to have another dsl providerSep 20 02:59
Chips_B_Malroysources are available for downloadingSep 20 02:59
Ender2071just as problematicSep 20 02:59
Ender2071changed the modem and the routerSep 20 02:59
Ender2071has to be the lineSep 20 02:59
Ender2071sometimes it drops us when someone callsSep 20 02:59
Ender2071it could be cross talk somewhere on the lineSep 20 03:00
Ender2071or alien cross talkSep 20 03:00
Diablo-D3or a bad dsl filterSep 20 03:00
Diablo-D3or missing altogetherSep 20 03:00
Ender2071all the equipment is hooked up properlySep 20 03:00
cubezzzwell not that I love Bell or anything but after I screamed at them they did fix my problemSep 20 03:00
Ender2071im thinking cross talk of some type, or another line issueSep 20 03:01
Diablo-D3Ender2071: get a second isolated line installedSep 20 03:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Autism: What's Sex Got to Do with It? http://ur1.ca/1oiipSep 20 03:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Open source yet again helping address a public concern http://bit.ly/afOTpGSep 20 03:02
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Ender2071there was two linesSep 20 03:02
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Ender2071they got rid of one of themSep 20 03:03
cubezzzI have a lot of freedom on TFNSep 20 03:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Watching the Super Mario Bros. 25th anniversary videoSep 20 03:04
cubezzzpretty much I can run any serviceSep 20 03:04
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Chips_B_Malroyseen this site:  http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/Sep 20 03:11
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Ender2070http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_36.shtmlSep 20 03:14
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Ender2070'Reorienting education towards sustainable development;'Sep 20 03:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft #PR Success Story: From Abuser to Victim, From Villain to Hero http://ur1.ca/1oinzSep 20 03:19
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cubevectorpeople go on about tinycore but it won't run in 16 megsSep 20 03:28
cubevectorI admit, that is an extreme test buts still...Sep 20 03:28
Ender2070my phone has more ramSep 20 03:33
Ender2070so really, your issue does not existSep 20 03:33
Chips_B_Malroyits a doorstopSep 20 03:33
Diablo-D3your phone has more ram than my first computerSep 20 03:34
Diablo-D3...Sep 20 03:34
Ender2070sameSep 20 03:34
Diablo-D3MY POCKET CALCULATOR HAS MORE RAM THAN MY FIRST COMPUTERSep 20 03:34
Diablo-D3YE GODSSep 20 03:34
Chips_B_MalroyI started off bigtime, 640kbSep 20 03:34
Diablo-D3mine was 640kb AFTER an upgradeSep 20 03:34
Ender2070lolSep 20 03:34
Ender2070oh yeah well I used to use ms memmaker in dosSep 20 03:35
Chips_B_MalroyQemm was the real good oneSep 20 03:35
Ender2070lolSep 20 03:35
Ender2070if you didnt want your games to work yeahSep 20 03:36
Diablo-D3Ender2070: my first dos was too old to have thatSep 20 03:36
Diablo-D3that didnt show up to around 5 or 6Sep 20 03:36
Ender2070yeah it used to push TSR's into upper memorySep 20 03:36
Ender2070freeing conventional memorySep 20 03:36
Ender2070very compatibleSep 20 03:36
Diablo-D3I never had tsrs running on new machines except for the other part of the cdrom driverSep 20 03:36
Chips_B_MalroyI had both Qemm and Stacker 4.0 running on Dos back it those daysSep 20 03:36
Chips_B_MalroyinSep 20 03:37
Ender2070i think it was the cdrom driver i used to load in upper memorySep 20 03:37
Diablo-D3and almost all games at that point used some sort of dos extenderSep 20 03:37
Ender2070all memmaker did was try loading all your drivers into high memorySep 20 03:37
Diablo-D3like dos4gw and shitSep 20 03:37
Chips_B_Malroymouse and soundcard drivers tooSep 20 03:38
Ender2070yesSep 20 03:38
Ender2070i forgot thoseSep 20 03:38
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: depends on the hardwareSep 20 03:38
Diablo-D3like, if you had a com mouse, no driver neededSep 20 03:38
Diablo-D3s/com/serial/Sep 20 03:38
Diablo-D3or you had sound hardware natively supported by gamesSep 20 03:38
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Chips_B_Malroythere was never enough hard drive space back in those daysSep 20 03:39
Diablo-D3yeah, all 500 megs of itSep 20 03:40
Chips_B_Malroymy first hd was 20 mb'sSep 20 03:40
cubevectorwow, my first computer had a cassette tape drive :)Sep 20 03:41
cubevectorso don't complainSep 20 03:41
Chips_B_Malroyremember the park commandSep 20 03:41
cubevectoryesSep 20 03:41
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cubevectorin fact, I have a 240 meg hard drive stillSep 20 03:42
cubevectorand it works tooSep 20 03:42
Diablo-D3my first computer had a single full height 5.25" drive, 360kSep 20 03:42
cubevectorgot FreeDOS and Linux 2.2 on itSep 20 03:42
Ender2071cubevector - that shit belongs in a museumSep 20 03:42
cubevector120 megs for FreeDOS, 120 megs for LinuxSep 20 03:44
cubevectorok, 5.25" full height is getting pretty oldSep 20 03:44
Chips_B_MalroyI still have a bunch of 5.25" disksSep 20 03:46
cubevectorthe 1993 box doesn't have a working cdrom unfortunatelySep 20 03:46
cubevectorI have some 8 inch disks :)Sep 20 03:47
Chips_B_Malroyyeah, I seen lots of those 8" disks in the past, but never a drive for a pc for themSep 20 03:47
cubevectorShugart made one, so did IBMSep 20 03:47
cubevectorit's 70's technologySep 20 03:48
Chips_B_MalroyI think they did not plug into a floppy cable for the IBM capable PC'sSep 20 03:48
Chips_B_Malroy8"Sep 20 03:48
cubevector50-in Chips_B_MalroySep 20 03:48
cubevectorer, 50 pinSep 20 03:49
Chips_B_MalroyI want to say ide, but its rll or b4Sep 20 03:49
Chips_B_MalroybeforeSep 20 03:49
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cubevectorumm, in those days everyone did their own thingSep 20 03:52
cubevectorCommodore had a drive that did GCRSep 20 03:52
Ender2071i just thought of another point on the intel thingSep 20 03:52
Ender2071their fabs are mature enough that they aren't producing low end chips, normally they run their chips through tests and sell them at speeds they will hitSep 20 03:52
Ender2071if all their chips hit the high speeds, they dont have low end chips to sell to people who want themSep 20 03:53
Ender2071so they lock featuresSep 20 03:53
Ender2071industry standard practiceSep 20 03:53
Chips_B_MalroyI posted a link here eariler similar to what you are sayingSep 20 03:53
Ender2071less fabrication flawsSep 20 03:53
Chips_B_Malroyeven AMD locks out coresSep 20 03:54
Ender2071because intel put all their R&D there and copied all of AMD's ideas over the last few yearsSep 20 03:54
cubevectorthe latest 8 inch drives were like high density 5.25" only it was 8"Sep 20 03:54
Ender2071lolSep 20 03:54
Chips_B_Malroytri cores that might be quadsSep 20 03:54
cubevector1.2 megabytes with FATSep 20 03:54
Ender2071oh thats old newsSep 20 03:54
Ender2071the X3's are defective quad coresSep 20 03:54
Ender2071some aren't even defective, AMD ran out of defective ones and had to meet that price pointSep 20 03:54
Chips_B_Malroynot allSep 20 03:54
Ender2071yeahSep 20 03:55
Chips_B_Malroyagreed, what Intel does is worseSep 20 03:55
Ender2071well how do you sell low end chips when you can't make anySep 20 03:55
Chips_B_Malroyceleron anyone?Sep 20 03:55
Ender2071you take one design and run it through your fabsSep 20 03:55
Ender2071celeron was a defective cpuSep 20 03:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft’s Most Profitable #Windows (Vista) is Already Dead, #Microsoft Camp Urges a Rush to Vista 7 http://ur1.ca/1oixs #vista7Sep 20 03:56
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Ender2071defective cache, defective mpuSep 20 03:56
Ender2071intel takes one model, runs it through their fabs. they mark down all the speeds the chips hit, how they handle cache, etc. they get set at the speeds they hit well.Sep 20 03:57
Ender2071speed binningSep 20 03:57
Ender2071now take that process, but optimize your fabs so that all your chips hit the required specsSep 20 03:57
Ender2071do you design an entire new chip for the low end market?Sep 20 03:58
cubevectorChips_B_Malroy, 50-pin edge connector it wasSep 20 03:58
Ender2071or lock featuresSep 20 03:58
Ender2071its probably cheaper to lock featuresSep 20 03:58
Ender2071butSep 20 03:59
Ender2071if all your chips hit the required specs, shouldn't that tell you that they should all be sold cheap and at the highest speed they hitSep 20 04:00
Ender2071intel fails in that dept, too greedySep 20 04:00
Diablo-D3http://yo.dawg.i.heard.you.liked.tanks.so.we.put.a.tank.in.your.plane.so.you.can.fly.by.justca.me/%27ing/even/after/your/plane/has/been/shot/down?file=FOOL%20THAT%20TANK.PNGSep 20 04:00
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Diablo-D3can we just burn the internet down now?Sep 20 04:00
cubevectorhere you go :)Sep 20 04:00
cubevectorhttp://www.dbit.com/fdadap.htmlSep 20 04:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: FDADAP floppy disk adapter .::. Size~: 3 KBSep 20 04:00
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Ender2071burn down the internet?Sep 20 04:01
Diablo-D3all of itSep 20 04:01
Ender2071+1Sep 20 04:03
Ender2071but how will you burn the cloud part of it?Sep 20 04:03
Ender2071clouds aren't flamableSep 20 04:03
Diablo-D3you clearly havent tried hard enoughSep 20 04:03
Ender2071you know whatSep 20 04:04
Diablo-D3whatSep 20 04:04
Chips_B_MalroyMS clouds are flamable, they are full of hot gas just like their PRSep 20 04:04
Ender2071even with the internet on fire, people would probably think their data was safe in the cloud - thinking the fire wouldn't reachSep 20 04:04
Diablo-D3Ender2071: everything fails. EVERYTHING.Sep 20 04:04
Diablo-D3rule... rule.... rule... I know theres a number for it.Sep 20 04:04
Diablo-D3I just cant think of what it isSep 20 04:04
Ender2071can we start by burning spammers?Sep 20 04:06
Ender2071i get like 30 spams a day on my blogSep 20 04:06
Ender2071its annoying because I have to make sure legit comments don't get filteredSep 20 04:06
Ender2071the spam is usually well written and compliments my site a lotSep 20 04:07
Ender2071"What a blogpost!! Very informative and also easy to understand. Looking for more such blog posts!! Do you have a twitter?I recommended it on digg. The only thing that it’s missing is a bit of new design. Nevertheless thank you for this blog."Sep 20 04:08
Ender2071but their user link goes to some spam siteSep 20 04:08
Diablo-D3Ender2071: ehSep 20 04:09
Diablo-D3I dont have that problemSep 20 04:09
Diablo-D3and I get more spam than youSep 20 04:09
Ender2071do you go through the spam to look for legit comment?Sep 20 04:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New Oh !Canada post: "Twitter and the Minister of Industry" http://ur1.ca/1oj47 !Canada #cdnpoliSep 20 04:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft's Internet Explorer 9 Marketing Comprises Lies, Angers Mozilla, Mocked by Analyst http://ur1.ca/1ojdm misleading claims for #IE9Sep 20 04:46
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schestowitzsince when is getting a lot of spam worth bragging about?Sep 20 04:46
schestowitzI solved my spam problems long ago with better filtersSep 20 04:46
schestowitzFiltering is the thing to brag aboutSep 20 04:46
schestowitzI used to get about 1000 spam/day at one stage, now far lessSep 20 04:47
schestowitzPeople who throw around their address ask for spamSep 20 04:47
cubevectorI can't resist showing everyone this IBM 5100 ad:Sep 20 04:48
cubevectorhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gaNyXWBcsU&feature=relatedSep 20 04:48
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cubevectorcheck out that huge screen!Sep 20 04:50
Diablo-D3Im too lazy to lookSep 20 04:51
Diablo-D3but is this the one with the 3" screen?Sep 20 04:51
cubevectorit's pretty tiny yesSep 20 04:51
cubevectorthe comments are funny: "Only 50 pounds...? Man, screw the iPad."Sep 20 04:55
Diablo-D3bbw s/w/c/Sep 20 04:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] #God_bless #Arabic_Wikipedia community. So great, so productive, so willing to talk and discuss. :)Sep 20 04:56
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cubevectorwhoa plus it does APL tooSep 20 04:56
cubevectorok, it's 5 inch, not 3 inch but stillSep 20 04:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Guys, this is not cool. http://wp.me/pf2B5-1kS (wordpress.com advertising IE9). !wpSep 20 05:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @schestowitz Microsoft's Internet Explorer 9 Marketing Comprises Lies, Angers Mozilla, Mocked by Analyst http://ur1.ca/1ojdm misleadi ...Sep 20 05:09
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Chips_B_MalroyNotice the lack of articles on windows 8 vaporware.  I would suggest that MS learned not to sour the Xmas buying season with promo's of something newer.Sep 20 05:10
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Actually-Windows-8-in-2012-and-Office-15-in-2014-Makes-Sense-153933.shtmlSep 20 05:10
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Chips_B_Malroy"Considering that confirmation of the fact that the Windows 8 project had been kicked off dropped in early 2009, ahead of the RTM of Windows 7, the next major iteration of the Windows client could hit RTM by mid-2012."Sep 20 05:11
Chips_B_MalroySo really, with only a year and a half to go, why would businesses upgrade to 7?Sep 20 05:12
Chips_B_Malroythat is if they go with windowsSep 20 05:12
Chips_B_Malroyalmost halfway to another endless windows upgrade cycle for more pain for windows usersSep 20 05:13
cubevectoryesSep 20 05:14
cubevectorit really is an upgrade treadmillSep 20 05:14
Chips_B_Malroyit important to remind windows users that they only rent the software and have to pay for upgradesSep 20 05:15
Chips_B_Malroythat it might break a lot of their software and not have drivers for older hardware as wellSep 20 05:16
Chips_B_Malroyand like Vista, it might be full of bugs/bloat/drm and just plain slowSep 20 05:17
cubevectorI was talking about bloat in the late 80'sSep 20 05:17
Chips_B_Malroybut no one does bloat like MicrosoftSep 20 05:17
cubevectorAmiga workbench was two 1.44 disksSep 20 05:18
cubevectorso is BL3Sep 20 05:18
cubevectorI assume windows 7 is a dvd?Sep 20 05:19
Chips_B_MalroyI would expect so, but since I have no use for itSep 20 05:20
cubevectortwo dvdsSep 20 05:21
Chips_B_MalroyOEM version?Sep 20 05:21
cubevectorumm, everything but Except for Starter and Home Basic is two DVDsSep 20 05:22
cubevectordon't know about OEM thoughSep 20 05:22
Chips_B_Malroywell there's boxed, and OEMSep 20 05:22
Chips_B_Malroyand you can even buy boxed OEM for one computer I thinkSep 20 05:23
Chips_B_MalroycheaperSep 20 05:23
Ender2071what are you talking about two dvd'sSep 20 05:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] If any of you guys are running 64bit !linux on desktop or server, please upgrade your kernels! http://ur1.ca/1ojqoSep 20 05:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccaustralia/@ccaustralia] Only 2 #CCRdShow10 events left! RSVP update: Adelaide 63; Hobart 28, http://bit.ly/ccrdshow10Sep 20 05:24
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Ender2071your smoking crackSep 20 05:24
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Chips_B_MalroyMS pricing policies are beyond meSep 20 05:24
cubevectorcheck wikipedia, that's what it saysSep 20 05:25
Ender2071both, win7 and vista are contained on a single DVDSep 20 05:25
Chips_B_MalroyHe might be right about 2 dvd's.  I think I seen HP Vista recovery disks on 2 dvd'sSep 20 05:25
Chips_B_Malroysome OEM's might do thisSep 20 05:25
Ender2071I have both , i don't need to read wikipedia when its likely wrong at this pointSep 20 05:25
Ender2071microsoft ships a single dvdSep 20 05:26
Ender2071whatever the oem's do, thats their doingSep 20 05:26
Chips_B_MalroyI know HP added some of its own software on those disks and their installer and driversSep 20 05:26
Chips_B_Malroyand the installer failed and I was asked to helpSep 20 05:27
Ender2071i know this stuff first handSep 20 05:27
Ender2071the retailer i worked for sold oem copies of vista and 7Sep 20 05:27
Ender2071one dvdSep 20 05:27
Ender2071if HP wants to tack on 2 more DVD'sSep 20 05:28
Ender2071you cant blame microsoftSep 20 05:28
Chips_B_Malroysure I canSep 20 05:28
Chips_B_MalroylolSep 20 05:28
Ender2071blame debianSep 20 05:28
Chips_B_MalroynoSep 20 05:28
Ender2071look how many dvd's that comes onSep 20 05:28
Ender2071shit, you can even get blue ray iso's of thatSep 20 05:28
Chips_B_Malroyyes, but you get the whole repo's with debianSep 20 05:28
Chips_B_Malroynot just the base OSSep 20 05:28
Chips_B_Malroyand Free both in cost and freedomSep 20 05:29
Ender2071yeah but its entirely obsolete and updates make it stupidSep 20 05:29
cubevectorwell I still use CD'sSep 20 05:29
Ender2071you download the 10 dvd set, one update makes it pointlessSep 20 05:29
Ender2071lolSep 20 05:29
Ender2071thats nice cubeSep 20 05:29
cubevectorand I have no experience with windows 7Sep 20 05:29
Ender2071you also use obsolete technologySep 20 05:30
cubevectorunlike our Microsoft lover hereSep 20 05:30
Ender2071you have no experience with anything newer than 2001Sep 20 05:30
cubevectorhow do you know?Sep 20 05:30
Ender2071other than perhaps some softwareSep 20 05:30
cubevectoryou don't know anything about what computers I haveSep 20 05:30
Ender2071your fastest machine is a dual p3 500-550 mhzSep 20 05:30
cubevectornopeSep 20 05:30
Ender2071what did welfare buy you now?Sep 20 05:30
Ender2071I wonder if you managed to get a 64-bit cpu yetSep 20 05:31
cubevectorwow Ender2071, you're always an assSep 20 05:32
Ender2071just with you :)Sep 20 05:32
Ender2071thats what talking down gets youSep 20 05:32
cubevectorgo do your Microsoft homework loserSep 20 05:32
Ender2071already done and certifiedSep 20 05:33
Ender207197% on both coursesSep 20 05:33
Ender2071and if you version me you'll see my copy of konversation on fedora 13Sep 20 05:34
Chips_B_Malroyand how do you do that?Sep 20 05:35
Ender2071'/ctcp version usernameSep 20 05:36
Chips_B_Malroynot that I don't believe you, its just on some people here that come in promoting windows it would be nice to check themSep 20 05:37
Chips_B_Malroythank youSep 20 05:37
Ender2071oh im not promoting windowsSep 20 05:37
Chips_B_Malroydid not say you wereSep 20 05:37
Ender2071far from it! lolSep 20 05:37
Chips_B_MalroyI know you better than thatSep 20 05:37
Chips_B_MalroyFedora, which is the alpha that just came out?Sep 20 05:39
Ender2071i might even be forking some of fedora's packages with my own repoSep 20 05:39
Ender2071umm beta will be out soonSep 20 05:39
Ender2071they got RC2 of beta out for testingSep 20 05:39
Chips_B_Malroyok, I got the Fedora 14 alpha 1 on live cdSep 20 05:40
Chips_B_Malroyonly checked it on the laptop, it looked niceSep 20 05:40
Chips_B_Malroya lot of improvements in RC2 I would guessSep 20 05:41
Chips_B_Malroy'/ctcp version Chips_B_MalroySep 20 05:42
Chips_B_Malroylet me try that againSep 20 05:43
Chips_B_Malroyversion: No such nick/channel.Sep 20 05:44
Chips_B_Malroymust have to be moderator to use thatSep 20 05:44
Ender2071i probably gave you the wrong commandSep 20 05:46
Ender2071ohhh, its version lastSep 20 05:46
Ender2071after your nameSep 20 05:46
Chips_B_Malroyok I will trySep 20 05:46
Ender2071or just right click and select versionSep 20 05:47
Ender2071you have konversation tooSep 20 05:47
Chips_B_Malroythat worked, Konverstation 1.1 but no OSSep 20 05:48
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Ender2071yeah actually I just noticed thatSep 20 05:49
Chips_B_Malroyok, I see the right click version now tooSep 20 05:49
Ender2071xchat tells you their os, even their cpu speedSep 20 05:50
Ender2071[00:50] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from cubezzz: xchat 2.0.7 Linux 2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp [i686/551.76MHz/SMP].Sep 20 05:50
Ender2071:)Sep 20 05:50
Ender2071dual p3 550Sep 20 05:50
Chips_B_Malroyvery niceSep 20 05:51
Ender2071that is - if they use itSep 20 05:51
Ender2071funny when someone with mIRC shows upSep 20 05:52
Chips_B_Malroywhat do most windows user use?Sep 20 05:52
Ender2071a mashup of mIRC and xchatSep 20 05:55
Ender2071some mozilla chatzillaSep 20 05:56
Ender2071and web based ircSep 20 05:56
jweyrichcolloquy :)Sep 20 05:57
jweyrichbitchx.Sep 20 05:57
Ender2071windows users and bitchx?Sep 20 05:58
Ender2071very rareSep 20 05:58
Ender2071osx, niceSep 20 05:59
jweyrichoh, I likely missed that part of the conversation.Sep 20 05:59
Ender2071[CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from jweyrich: Colloquy 2.3 (4617) - Mac OS X 10.6.4 (Intel) - http://colloquy.info.Sep 20 05:59
jweyrichyup.Sep 20 06:00
jweyrichIn the past I'd normally ignore CTCP requests, but I'm not that paranoid anymore.Sep 20 06:01
Ender2071 "FREE SPEECH IS THE RIGHT TO SHOUT 'THEATER' IN A CROWDED FIRE."  A YIPPIE PROVERBSep 20 06:01
Ender2071lolSep 20 06:01
Chips_B_Malroygood nightSep 20 06:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] If any of you guys are running 64bit #linux on desktop or server, please upgrade your kernels! http://ur1.ca/1ojqo via @mohanpram@identi.caSep 20 06:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] The free software movement emerged standing at the edge of what was possible. We've been pushing it ever since. !fsf !gnuSep 20 06:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Oh Monday go away.!Sep 20 07:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Working-class Americans attacked http://ur1.ca/1olgkSep 20 07:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Swedish Pirate Party Fails To Enter Parliament - http://bit.ly/c1snYU *don't* talk like a pirate #sweden #piratepartySep 20 07:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Wildfire in Utah near Mormon Temple http://is.gd/fiRRk via @snay2@twitter.com #herrimanfireSep 20 08:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Now, this is disturbing: ur1.ca/1on2ySep 20 08:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @rms: Urgent: Support the Fair Elections Now Act http://ur1.ca/1oka9Sep 20 08:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: Many people focus on stock and overlook the fact that Microsoft lost about half its value under BallmerSep 20 08:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @alina: RT @fiiliber Schimbarea parolei uitate pe !fiiliber http://ur1.ca/1oi0dSep 20 08:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft’s Most Profitable #Windows (Vista) is Already Dead, #Microsoft Camp Urges a Rush to Vista 7 http://ur1.ca/1oixs #vista7Sep 20 08:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Sylvius Project - http://bit.ly/aeol4a "3D musical avatar based on 18th century Baroque lute composer, Sylvius Weiss": amazing #blenderSep 20 08:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Traffic Jams In Beijing Reach New Records Of Congestion - http://bit.ly/8Y4A6p glad I'm not commuting there... #china #trafficSep 20 08:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Gallo report will be voted next week - http://bit.ly/dxFS4A *this* week now; good explanation of issues #gallo #piracy #sharingSep 20 08:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] 2010 XDS Toulouse: The X.Org Developers' Summit in Toulouse finished up over the weekend. It is now time for Phoro... http://bit.ly/cbAnyuSep 20 08:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] The threat of a good example http://ur1.ca/1opyiSep 20 09:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Google Is Making Your Account Vastly More Secure With Two-Step Authentication - http://tcrn.ch/ak7PEW can't come too soon for me #googleSep 20 10:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Banks find new ways to be evil http://ur1.ca/1os5eSep 20 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] At work we're working on an Asterisk PBX system while singing "dahdi, dahdi-tools" to the tune of Daddy Cool by Boney M :-D !asterisk #pbxSep 20 10:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] woah, very impressed by !fsfe fellows and free software activists contributions to http://is.gd/fjej3 #pdfreaders -- stop gov ad. prop. swSep 20 10:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Playing Favourites for #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/1otbe Microsoft has its partners build its castle of dominanceSep 20 10:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European ICT sector's concerns about ACTA: ECIS position paper - http://bit.ly/9I19NL cogent and well written (via @StopActaNow) #actaSep 20 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] As #Microsoft Moves to the East, Microsoft Professional Developers Conference is Shrinking Significantly http://ur1.ca/1otp9 #pdc #redmondSep 20 11:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Scientists claim that government is minimizing the damage http://ur1.ca/1otpcSep 20 11:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] As a writer, its very rewarding when a site like Tuxmachines links to your work. Thanks folks! !linux !fossSep 20 11:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] So nearly time to leave for work....a few quick updates which have been put on the backburner over the weekend...Sep 20 11:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] 1. Oggcast - Still going ahead albeit with a short delay.Sep 20 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] 2. Refund on Windows 7 - Still waiting for a response to the letter refusing to send my machine off to them. I await a response, will chaseSep 20 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] So thats about it.....oh and in answer to a question.... Yes, I am a Juggalow ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZGKNlI8zRQ&ob=av3nSep 20 11:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] additional...no train tweets...driving into work....Sep 20 11:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just realised my blog theme is the same as !ratholeradio. Hmmm, subliminal suggestion? Gonna change it today.Sep 20 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @glynmoody European ICT sector's concerns about ACTA: ECIS position paper http://bit.ly/9I19NL cogent and well written (via @StopActaNow)Sep 20 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Reader’s Article: “HPV Vaccination Experimentation on Children Backed by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation” http://ur1.ca/1ou9mSep 20 12:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Centrify and #Microsoft Grow Closer With a Software Patents Agreement http://ur1.ca/1oua0 #swpats #unix !gnu !linuxSep 20 12:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] let’s try this thing out… #google http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/20/google-secure-password/Sep 20 12:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Novell Suse to be sold off http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/novell_inc_reaches_two_part_sale_lZKRHKFYO5T9cKq9Dy7WQO?sms_ss=identicaSep 20 12:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Why did facebook just send me a "Check out my photos on Facebook" message?! I thought I deleted my unused account. Errr #fail #facebookfailSep 20 12:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Packaging limited http://ur1.ca/1ov8pSep 20 12:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ninja Steve Jobs Tells Young Journalist: “Leave Us Alone.” http://ur1.ca/1ov92 #apple #arrogance #stevejobsSep 20 12:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] … an impression they haven’t QAed this. Link in android app goes to dead page, and their help files speak of account links that aren’t thereSep 20 12:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] Just ordered my #nerdkit from www.nerdkits.com. Time to get into #electronics!Sep 20 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The €100 Billion Free Ride: Consumers Take Most Of Web's Value - http://bit.ly/9WdN61 clueless report, clueless copyright noticeSep 20 12:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Silverlight is Dying Not Just Because of #HTML5 But Because of #AdobeTrash Too http://ur1.ca/1owdwSep 20 12:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Heading to gym early before any meetings. Great way to get past the Monday blahs.Sep 20 13:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] "The Wisdom of Crowds" sometimes leads us to things like #Diaspora. #TheWisdomofCrowdsSep 20 13:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Gulf floor coated http://ur1.ca/1oxfvSep 20 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Computer Weekly donates 44-year archive to National Museum of Computing - http://bit.ly/aZadB5 great move - kudos #history #computingSep 20 13:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @pookito in terminal type in ifconfig, for network manager right click & choose details or something like thatSep 20 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] just now, my mailbox has 11111 messages #geek #life (ok that's not interesting, sorry!)Sep 20 13:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Now, isn't this special! http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-sco-group-announces-unix-asset-sale-103036124.html #fbSep 20 13:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] P. Ganten: "Open Core ist vorbei" http://ur1.ca/1oyfw als Antwort auf O. Diedrichs "Der Hype ist vorbei" http://ur1.ca/1oygk !fsfe !fsSep 20 13:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @harishpillay: Now, isn't this special! http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-sco-group-announces-unix-asset-sale-103036124.html #fbSep 20 13:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @fsfe: Belarus enters the #pdfreaders contest ! http://l.fsfe.org/pdfrSep 20 13:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @glynmoody: Computer Weekly donates 44-year archive to National Museum of Computing - http://bit.ly/aZadB5 great move - kudos #historySep 20 13:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: #Silverlight is Dying Not Just Because of #HTML5 But Because of #AdobeTrash Too http://ur1.ca/1owdwSep 20 13:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, why odd? I initially figured it was good for environment. In recent years,began to wonder if clock/radio's power draw was too highSep 20 13:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @carlopiana,my clock/radio was made by General Electric,back when they made things other than television programs. I honestly never liked itSep 20 14:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] A game changer? Part 1 of an interview with Glen Moriarty, CEO of NIXTY http://bit.ly/a4hYPd #opened #edtechSep 20 14:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @royhugo: woah, very impressed by !fsfe fellows and free software activists contributions to http://is.gd/fjej3 #pdfreadersSep 20 14:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] At 02:00, smoke detector freaked out speaking "battery low". Had no findable battery; was connected to electricity. Took an hour to resolve.Sep 20 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ooh yeah. Oscar Peterson, good tea and !PHP. #awesomeness.Sep 20 14:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] PostgreSQL 9.0 released http://lwn.net/Articles/406194/rssSep 20 14:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] US fails to take stand on biodiversity http://ur1.ca/1ozkzSep 20 14:29
Ziomatrixthere was a time when the US government and many American volunteers along with private donors use to lead the world in ecological preservation :(Sep 20 14:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] music so excellent i just bothered to download it @bandcamp: http://ownimusic.bandcamp.com/track/waters-of-nazareth-justice-coverSep 20 14:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !asterisk DAHDI Troubleshoot MindMap #pbx http://mind42.com/pub/mindmap?mid=e0dc94b6-b696-420a-88fc-5ec9e7d87ce7Sep 20 14:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] another bad news after Marseille, http://is.gd/fjv7Z Swiss Canton of Solothurn goes windows7 :-/Sep 20 14:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] oh, that's why: Die Regierung ist die Mutter der Strategie, doch kein Regierungsrat arbeitet mit dem System. http://is.gd/fjvspSep 20 14:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] #Kernel .36 is not out yet and I'm longing for .37 already!Sep 20 14:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] MSMobiles.com is Dead, #Microsoft #Mobile Business Abandoned by Staff (Entering Yahoo! Management), Future Grim http://ur1.ca/1p0xqSep 20 15:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Oh frak. Laptop AC adapter is dead. Fortunately my big battery is charged this morning, but this is not good.Sep 20 15:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Microsoft finalizes its latest supercomputing OS release - http://zd.net/duLa6c ready to soar past 1% market share - http://bit.ly/9Is3eySep 20 15:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Blah, the !gentoo multilib-workaround emul packages have sooo much crap in them :(Sep 20 15:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Uzbekistan: The children are forced to pick the cotton again. The authorities keep hiding this fact - http://bit.ly/csdVmt child labourSep 20 15:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Time to go to job number 2 *sigh*Sep 20 15:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] More Information Leaked About The HTC Tablet Coming Q1 2011 - http://bit.ly/cghNZx looks a bit pricey #android #tablet #htcSep 20 15:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Evolution adds 'Sent from !Ubuntu' signature by default: This bug was fixed in the package evolution-2.30.3-1ubuntu3 http://goo.gl/ps0USep 20 15:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The battle to save Russia's Pavlovsk seed bank - http://bit.ly/a3Mcqp update on threat to "chief home of European fruit trees" #pavlovskSep 20 16:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft finalizes its latest supercomputing OS release - http://zd.net/duLa6c ready to soar past 1% market share - http://bit.ly/9Is3eySep 20 16:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: "Sent From Ubuntu" Removed From Evolution In An Update Today [Ubuntu 10.10] http://goo.gl/STkbSep 20 16:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: Download 20 Great !Linux Books For Free http://goo.gl/QzivSep 20 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @pookito: no problem. :)Sep 20 16:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Logitech G15 tool for Ubuntu feeds Rhythmbox, CPU & more to your keyboard LCD http://goo.gl/5RkBSep 20 16:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG Ubuntu: #Midori 0.2.8 Released http://goo.gl/L7xtSep 20 16:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Oracle's "Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel" http://lwn.net/Articles/406199/rssSep 20 16:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #DistroWatch Weekly Issue 372 released. This week's feature Story: Rolling in #Mint (Linux Mint) http://goo.gl/YMwESep 20 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] More Microsoft Antitrust and Tax Evasion, Legalised by Former Microsoft Management (Ross Hunter) in the Government http://ur1.ca/1p37vSep 20 16:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] PostgreSQL 9.0 released: http://is.gd/fjC7OSep 20 16:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Julian Huppert MP interview, part one: fighting the #deact - http://bit.ly/cvclDy excellent, hopeful piece (via @ISPAUK @lilianedwards)Sep 20 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] How @abstractlogix is changing the music experience for everyone with the open source way | http://bit.ly/cevmhE #collaborationSep 20 16:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] installing #PCLinuxOS on another PC...Sep 20 16:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Another shaky election in Afghanistan http://ur1.ca/1p3soSep 20 16:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Morning all, how are we doing today?Sep 20 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes RT -> "Man, that Robotron is a sick dude. Ugh. BTW, keep up the good job, you're really infuriating him. And keep ignoring him."Sep 20 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Good interview with "original gangsta" Rob Collins - http://is.gd/fjDxj #launchpad #ubuntuSep 20 16:32
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Apple-iPad-a-Factor-In-Declining-Notebook-Sales-Analyst-335798/?kc=rssSep 20 16:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple iPad a Factor in Declining Notebook Sales: Analyst - Desktops and Notebooks from eWeek .::. Size~: 105.21 KBSep 20 16:39
Chips_B_Malroy"Apple's iPad is likely cannibalizing notebook sales, says a Morgan Stanley analyst. That would dovetail with statements by other analysts, who have blamed a drop in sales of lower-cost notebooks on the bestselling tablet PC."Sep 20 16:40
Chips_B_Malroy""We expect tablets to continue to pressure PCs as more vendors launch products (e.g., Dell Streak and Samsung Tab) and Apple expands its iPad distribution," Morgan Stanley analyst Katy Huberty wrote in a research note, which was quoted by Fortune Magazine."Sep 20 16:40
Chips_B_MalroyI guess this means AndroidSep 20 16:40
Chips_B_Malroy"Huberty's note incorporates data from research firm NPD Group, which shows six months of declining U.S. sales for notebooks from March to August. By that point, overall U.S. notebook sales were down 4 percent year-over-year?the first time that particular segment experienced such a dip. Early September data suggests a similar negative trend. "Tablet cannibalization" is a significant factor in those numbers, she reportedlySep 20 16:41
Chips_B_Malroywrote."Sep 20 16:41
Chips_B_Malroy"Huberty also expects sales of 50 million tablets in 2011."Sep 20 16:41
Chips_B_Malroy"Best Buy plans to promote the iPad heavily during the holiday shopping season, and expand distribution of the device to all its 1,093 stores in the United States."Sep 20 16:42
Chips_B_Malroy""Sales of traditional notebooks appear to be feeling pressure from the iPad, causing a scramble by vendors to launch iPad-like tablets," UBS analyst Maynard Um wrote in a Sept. 8 research note, which was excerpted on the blog Apple Insider. "We believe that a majority of this impact is occurring on the lower end of PC sales as the iPad is priced close enough to this range that it becomes attractive to consumers looking toSep 20 16:43
Chips_B_Malroymake purchases within this segment," he wrote."Sep 20 16:43
Chips_B_MalroySo now the low end PC's are under pressure from Apple and Android.  Apple has already overtaken Microsoft on the high end laptop sales over $1000 in some mature countries like the United States.Sep 20 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @carlopiana Unimpressed by Oracle announcing Unbreakable Enterprise Kernel. It seems a smart move, arguably good for kernel ecosystemSep 20 16:46
Chips_B_MalroyAnother way to look at this is these Tablets are mostly ARM cpu devices.  And Intel is predicting a decline in volume.Sep 20 16:46
Chips_B_MalroyWhatever iPad is gaining now, Android or ChromeOS will soon take over and surpass.Sep 20 16:47
Chips_B_MalroyJust like it is currently doing in Smartphones.Sep 20 16:48
schestowitzHi, Chips_B_MalroySep 20 16:49
Chips_B_MalroyHi RoySep 20 16:49
schestowitzhypePad I don't write about vs WindowsSep 20 16:49
schestowitzProprietary vs proprietarySep 20 16:49
Chips_B_MalroyYes, but its really a story about AndroidSep 20 16:50
schestowitzThey can both go to hellSep 20 16:50
Chips_B_MalroyI agreeSep 20 16:50
Chips_B_MalroyBut its a story about android and Microsoft getting hit bigtime.Sep 20 16:50
schestowitz>> "some mature countries like the United States."Sep 20 16:50
schestowitzMAture?Sep 20 16:50
schestowitzWhat does that mean?Sep 20 16:50
schestowitzWith pubic hair? /sarcasmSep 20 16:50
Chips_B_MalroyAndroid and ChromeOS are set to take over the tablet market from IpadSep 20 16:51
schestowitzMaybe "rich"Sep 20 16:51
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: the analysts talk about PCsSep 20 16:51
schestowitzNow Android AFAICTSep 20 16:52
Chips_B_MalroyMature markets like the USA and most western countries mean that the market is mostly satuated with computers.  There is not a lot of new users that have never owned a computer to tap into.Sep 20 16:52
schestowitzI saw these articles yesterdaySep 20 16:52
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I see...Sep 20 16:52
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Chips_B_MalroyWhy I post so much on this is MS is losing it here.  Apple is just first to market, already Android is there, but not officailly supported.Sep 20 16:53
schestowitzyeahSep 20 16:54
Chips_B_MalroyThis might be where we see the snowball start to really roll in MS decline.  Users are sick of windows problems, and if they can buy an ipad or android tablet for cheap, without malware problems, it seems there are.Sep 20 16:54
schestowitzI knowSep 20 16:55
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer has no clue how to stop this either.  XP is not an option.Sep 20 16:55
schestowitzAs I type this I install PCLOS for someoneSep 20 16:55
schestowitzCause he's fed up with WindowsSep 20 16:55
schestowitzHe wants to wipe windows, I insists on dual-boot for startersSep 20 16:55
schestowitz*insistSep 20 16:55
Chips_B_MalroyHe probably hates windows too.Sep 20 16:55
schestowitzit's XPSep 20 16:56
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schestowitzBad too...Sep 20 16:56
schestowitz"Slow" (viruses)Sep 20 16:56
schestowitzMicrosoft might tell them they "need a new PC"Sep 20 16:56
Chips_B_MalroyPCLinuxOS is a good linux, expecially for new usersSep 20 16:56
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, I would not look at the Apple vs Microsoft aspect of the iPad sales so much, as I would approach it as a Windows is declineing and Android is about to replace iPad story.Sep 20 16:58
Chips_B_Malroyits a very worthy story, if you write it from that perspectiveSep 20 16:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Guardian Project - http://bit.ly/apnqfU "to improve the security of Android mobile phones" #security #android (via @newsbrooke)Sep 20 16:59
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Chips_B_MalroyMS might die the death of a thousand cuts, but this is another big cut.  Its the snowball.Sep 20 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @DaHammerstein Stevie Wonder requests at WIPO an exception to copyright for visually impaired. EU and US refuse >>philistines #copyrightSep 20 17:01
Chips_B_MalroyThe question is, is it possible that iPad tablet is really causing a drop of 50% of windows laptops at Best Buy?Sep 20 17:02
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I see what you mean, but we covered thisSep 20 17:03
Chips_B_MalroyUsers want cheap, its a depression, and cheap sells.  Users want something different than the malware targets that MS gives them too.  Both Android and Ipad will do well against MS in this marketSep 20 17:03
schestowitzGenerally how tablets are all Linux, ex. hypePadSep 20 17:03
schestowitzAnd they replace other form factors (or expected to)Sep 20 17:03
Chips_B_Malroyok, would you agree that its more than just a form factor replacement?Sep 20 17:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @newscientist: Brain's grey matter helps you introspect http://bit.ly/antfKqSep 20 17:04
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Chips_B_Malroythat the underlieing cause might be the users problems with windows and its malware problems?Sep 20 17:04
Chips_B_MalroyJust like the person that wants PCLinuxOSSep 20 17:05
Chips_B_Malroythat you are installingSep 20 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] The Kernel Podcast from @jonmasters on twitter returns http://bit.ly/bDNUc9 "My intention is to get back into doing this regularly again..."Sep 20 17:06
Chips_B_MalroyI see the rise of Tablets as partly a rebellion against MS WindowsSep 20 17:06
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Chips_B_MalroyNetbooks were a part of that rebellion until Ballmer strongarmed OEM's to put XP on them efectively killing the Netbook market.Sep 20 17:07
Chips_B_Malroyat least here in the USASep 20 17:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Don't Fear The Command Line: Free eBook: Introduction to the Command Line http://ow.ly/2GWfMSep 20 17:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Talk about Sugar in Software Freedom Kosova 2010 Conference http://ping.fm/bHu3dSep 20 17:07
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Chips_B_MalroyThe MS Quarter comes out soon, and it should be interesting this time.Sep 20 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] An Ecology Of Ardour | Linux Journal http://ow.ly/2GWjLSep 20 17:09
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schestowitzbrbSep 20 17:12
schestowitzinstalling..Sep 20 17:12
Chips_B_MalroyPCLinuxOS is an easy installSep 20 17:12
schestowitzHAHASep 20 17:13
schestowitzI read that as "eulogy"Sep 20 17:13
Chips_B_MalroyMepis is another easy oneSep 20 17:13
schestowitzNot "ecology"Sep 20 17:13
schestowitzI almost wet myself. sarcasm...Sep 20 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Journalism professor Jay Rosen on why climate science reporting is so bad - http://bit.ly/cOEOrL important points #climate #journalismSep 20 17:14
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Chips_B_MalroyRoy, maybe its worth reporting the Best Buy 50% stuff with MS quarter report coming up soon.  As it might help to show why, if MS tanks profits.Sep 20 17:15
Chips_B_MalroyiPad sales are only the forerunner of Ballmer's problems, as Android, ChromeOS, and GNU/Linux are they real ones that will sack Redmond.Sep 20 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] SF Bay Area friends: come to @GAFFTA tonight @7 for awesome interactive CC Salon w/@ninaksimon @Jake_Barton @sfmoma! http://bit.ly/5sa7lSep 20 17:17
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Chips_B_MalroyAlready Android causes Microsoft to spend money and resources on CE, Kin, Zune, and WP7 failures, that would be best spent elsewhere, or just given to stockholders as higher dividends.Sep 20 17:19
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, nice India article.  I will try to watch the India news more often.Sep 20 17:21
Chips_B_MalroyHow will Ballmer spin the next quarters results?  Does he have any fancy tricks to pull yet?  Any defer payments?Sep 20 17:25
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schestowitzok, resizing partitionsSep 20 17:27
schestowitz<Chips_B_Malroy> iPad sales are only the forerunner of Ballmer's problems, as Android, ChromeOS, and GNU/Linux are they real ones that will sack Redmond.Sep 20 17:27
schestowitzAndroid makes money for MicrosoftSep 20 17:28
schestowitzThat's the main issue Techrights tacklesSep 20 17:28
schestowitzCause nobody else doesSep 20 17:28
schestowitz<Chips_B_Malroy> How will Ballmer spin the next quarters results?  Does he have any fancy tricks to pull yet?  Any defer payments?Sep 20 17:28
schestowitzHe won'tSep 20 17:28
schestowitzTHey revised expectations, IIRCSep 20 17:28
schestowitzSo as to beat them.Sep 20 17:28
schestowitzThe stock is ruined with downgradesSep 20 17:29
schestowitzRecommendations are bribed forSep 20 17:29
Chips_B_MalroyiPad sales for MS, were like the Goths were to Rome.  That is the Goths were driven into Roman territory by the Huns (Android Army) which nearly destroyed the western Roman Empire latter on.Sep 20 17:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] "Unity Schools" in Nigeria http://ur1.ca/1p5zdSep 20 17:29
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gnufreexHiiSep 20 17:30
Chips_B_MalroyIf the quarter is bad,  then the Xmas season bad for MS, and WP7 is a failure, Ballmer is toast in 2011.Sep 20 17:31
gnufreexI hope Balmer destroys Microsoft before they kick him out.Sep 20 17:31
Chips_B_Malroyhe is doing a good job of it so farSep 20 17:32
gnufreexHe is our inside guy lolSep 20 17:32
Chips_B_Malroyhe is 'our' fox, lolSep 20 17:32
Chips_B_Malroyhe looks and acts like one of the three stoogesSep 20 17:33
Chips_B_MalroyCurley I thinkSep 20 17:33
gnufreexWhat are stooges?Sep 20 17:34
gnufreexI thik balmer is like PHBSep 20 17:34
gnufreexPointy haired bossSep 20 17:34
gnufreexIn dilbertSep 20 17:34
schestowitzhttp://androidspin.com/2010/09/20/more-information-leaked-about-the-htc-tablet-coming-q1-2011/Sep 20 17:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Update: IBM to acquire Netezza for $1.7B - Computerworld http://bit.ly/bDVXMISep 20 17:34
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Chips_B_MalroyThe 3 Stooges were a comedy team back in the 50's and 60's in the USASep 20 17:34
gnufreexOh crapSep 20 17:34
gnufreexIBM buys NetezzaSep 20 17:34
ThistleWebyep, larry, moe and curly, slaprtick comedySep 20 17:34
gnufreexMaybe they will contribute to postgres now.Sep 20 17:35
gnufreexOr notSep 20 17:35
gnufreexChips_B_Malroy: yes, Balmer is comedian... but lousy one. I never got how Gates let him be CEO.Sep 20 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] 4chan attacks MPAA website with ddos : http://bit.ly/a9V6TS Indian company aiplex which helped MPAA too was taken down #counter #attack ROFLSep 20 17:39
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ThistleWebballmer was one of the group of mates around bily at the startSep 20 17:39
Chips_B_Malroya picture of the 3 stooges would be great in a article with Ballmer's face morphed over Curley's.Sep 20 17:39
ThistleWebbilly failed on the concept of "never go into buisness with your mates and let sentimentality rule your head"Sep 20 17:40
ThistleWebif ballmer didnt have that connection to him, he'd never have gotten the MS role, let alone kept it for so longSep 20 17:41
gnufreexThistleWeb: Funny, I watched "Pirates of silocn walley"... it says Balmer entered later, and Gates called himSep 20 17:41
ThistleWebI remember ballmer always wanting to go drinking, but bill wanted to get involved with tech stuff, lik eAltairSep 20 17:42
ThistleWebaltair*Sep 20 17:42
ThistleWebI dunno how much of that movie is accurate though, I'd imagine most of it is broadly about rightSep 20 17:42
gnufreexMaybe Bill got his ass kicked in school, and Balmer defended him because he is fat and scarySep 20 17:42
gnufreexSo he wanted to repay to Balmer... lolSep 20 17:43
ThistleWebballmer does seem to be the usual stereotypical frat boy type who dun good by becoming mates with someone who would carry him along to a huge company making both of them richSep 20 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Video Mayhem Enlivens Decision Making (Science News) http://bit.ly/atYJpRSep 20 17:44
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ThistleWebhow he got there doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, the point is that he's there nowSep 20 17:44
amarsh04http://www.linuxsa.org.au/pipermail/linuxsa/2010-September/093424.htmlSep 20 17:45
ThistleWebthe longer he's there, the more damage he'll inflict on MSSep 20 17:45
ThistleWebif they get rid of him, and replace him with a competent CEO, they will be more dangerousSep 20 17:46
ThistleWebwhich is why a "save Ballmer" facebook page would be funny, as if it's a real one from devoted MS fans who genuinely believe he is the future and that MS would die without himSep 20 17:47
Chips_B_Malroywe are going to see more articles as more MS failures come out for sympthy for Steve Ballmer.  The truth is Ballmer is worth somewhere between 14 and 16 billion, so he really does not need anyones sympthany.Sep 20 17:48
ThistleWebit's not about sympathySep 20 17:48
gnufreexYeah. Lets make Balmer appreciation page, lolSep 20 17:49
ThistleWebit's about trying to keep him at MS for as lomng as possibleSep 20 17:49
gnufreexWith Jobs, it is completly diferentSep 20 17:49
ThistleWebhe's doing a great job at scoring own goals, and wasting huge wads of cash on failed projectsSep 20 17:49
gnufreexKill Jobs and apple is deadSep 20 17:49
Chips_B_Malroy"<ThistleWeb> if they get rid of him, and replace him with a competent CEO, they will be more dangerous"  Maybe, but its too late to turn around MS now.  They have stuck too long without improving the core product Windows in a meaningful way.Sep 20 17:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @DaHammerstein Stevie Wonder requests at WIPO an exception to copyright for visually impaired. EU and US refuseSep 20 17:51
ThistleWebChips_B_Malroy: it wont be easy for any new CEO to turn MS around, they pressure will be to keep raking in the money from existing cash cows, which will tie the hands in creating anything that threatens thoseSep 20 17:51
Chips_B_Malroy"<ThistleWeb> it's about trying to keep him at MS for as lomng as possible"  Its too late for that now.  Its only the Shareholders, or maybe his old friend Bill that can kick him out.  Remember the rumored revolt by MS Executives?  It looks like those have all fled MS to other companies now.Sep 20 17:52
ThistleWebon the other hand, they do still have a lot of cash and influence, so if they chose to refocus, they could easilydo itSep 20 17:52
ThistleWebunder ballmer they don't even realise they're facing the wrong directionSep 20 17:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle MySQL rival PostgreSQL updated (Computerworld) http://bit.ly/bbrwpUSep 20 17:52
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Chips_B_MalroyThe lockin and control of the OEM market has made Bill G. and Steve B. think that they can do anything with Windows and get away with it forever.  Its the only reason I can come up with for not improving the product.Sep 20 17:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @kernellogauthor The Kernel Podcast from @jonmasters on twitter returns http://bit.ly/bDNUc9Sep 20 17:54
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ThistleWebyepSep 20 17:54
gnufreexThey have even bigger lockin with usersSep 20 17:54
gnufreexPeople thing Windows is computerSep 20 17:55
gnufreexIf they change to much (ie, Vista 7)Sep 20 17:55
gnufreexUsers will revoltSep 20 17:55
gnufreexVista 7 doesn't get to much salesSep 20 17:55
Chips_B_MalroyJust as the lockin and control of OEM's made MS lots of unethical money, so will it be its downfall.Sep 20 17:55
gnufreexIt is worse than original vistaSep 20 17:55
ThistleWebwith ballmer they wont change anything, they will continue doing what they do, assuming it'll all come good if they throw enough lobbyists at itSep 20 17:56
ThistleWebhence the Ballmer appreciation facebook pageSep 20 17:56
Chips_B_MalroyYes, Windows 8 vaporware will be more of the same NT with new wallpaper.Sep 20 17:56
Chips_B_MalroyI say we should see the first alpha (even the finished product of MS is really an alpha) in Spring of 2011.Sep 20 17:58
gnufreex.NET must be destroyed. They have plan to move everything from WinAPI to .NET. ANd then make Singularity base for new OS. Everything new and everything work.Sep 20 17:58
gnufreexBut for that to work, .NET must be videly used.Sep 20 17:58
Chips_B_Malroy.NET really has not taken off like MS would have liked it toSep 20 17:58
gnufreexBut this Java suit might give it momentumSep 20 17:59
gnufreexThat is why I say that Oracle suit has nothing to do with Java.Sep 20 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] Castle Wolfenstein Source Code Released: http://cplus.about.com/b/2010/09/19/castle-wolfenstein-source-code-released.htm !fsf !lpitaliaSep 20 17:59
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gnufreexLike it or not, Java is our best chanceSep 20 17:59
gnufreexIt is open and it is widely usedSep 20 17:59
Chips_B_MalroyPeople will not move to Singularity, NET or no NETSep 20 17:59
gnufreexIt is .NET or JavaSep 20 17:59
gnufreexIf Singularity comes with every computer, they will not have choice.Sep 20 18:00
gnufreexAnd if everything they use work, they will not complainSep 20 18:00
Chips_B_Malroymaybe windows 9 for Singularity?Sep 20 18:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Bp Pieronek: "to są krzyżowe wybryki ludzi nienormalnych" - sam bym tego lepiej nie ujął. !atheism !polskaSep 20 18:01
gnufreexThere is Singularity and there is Midori...Sep 20 18:01
gnufreexDon't know which one they plan to be sucessor of NTSep 20 18:01
Chips_B_MalroyNot to sure there will ever be a successor to NTSep 20 18:02
cubevectoris singularity going to be windows 8?Sep 20 18:02
Chips_B_MalroynoSep 20 18:02
gnufreexcubevector: Probably now.Sep 20 18:02
gnufreexnotSep 20 18:02
gnufreexMaybe 9Sep 20 18:02
Chips_B_Malroyit was supposed to be, and then according to Mary Jo it will still be based on NTSep 20 18:02
Chips_B_MalroyWindows is a house of Cards, just waiting for some new malware to pull out the bottom card.Sep 20 18:04
Chips_B_MalroyAs it already did on Roy's friend's computer that he is installing PCLinuxOS on.Sep 20 18:05
cubevectorLinux, Haiku and AROS for meSep 20 18:05
gnufreexI am really geting fed up with Windows Server administrators. Thse fucks really think Windows is secure and they advocate to be used for mission critical aplications!!Sep 20 18:05
cubevectoralthough I suppose it's still important to watch what Microsoft is up toSep 20 18:05
gnufreexI really can't get why anyone would use thatSep 20 18:05
cubevectorgnufreex, yeah I totally agreeSep 20 18:05
gnufreexI have to work with some of those idiotsSep 20 18:06
Diablo-D3btwSep 20 18:06
Diablo-D3for the recordSep 20 18:06
Diablo-D3NT-based isnt badSep 20 18:06
gnufreexhahahaSep 20 18:06
Diablo-D3the NT kernel doesnt suck as long as you quit gluing win32 shit on itSep 20 18:06
gnufreexhahahaSep 20 18:07
Chips_B_Malroy"<cubevector> although I suppose it's still important to watch what Microsoft is up to"  MS is the spoiler, they deny freedom to users by unethical means, like controlling OEM's.  Making GNU/Linux users pay MS Tax, etc.  So its important to watch their crimal acts.Sep 20 18:07
cubevectorI don't expect Microsoft to put out anything good re: OSSep 20 18:07
cubevectortheir history kind of precludes thatSep 20 18:08
cubevectorthey "borrowed" CPM-86Sep 20 18:08
MinceRDiablo-D3: there are at least 2 problems with thatSep 20 18:08
cubevectorthey licensed UnixSep 20 18:09
MinceR1) you can hardly get that kernel without win32 shit glued to it out of the boxSep 20 18:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: well, try SFU?Sep 20 18:09
MinceR2) even if you removed that shit, you'd end up with an OS that can't run anythingSep 20 18:09
Diablo-D3a full unix environment that doesnt use win32 at all and plugs right into the kernelSep 20 18:09
MinceRDiablo-D3: why the fuck? i can use completely functional unixes instead.Sep 20 18:09
Diablo-D3its really fucking fastSep 20 18:09
Chips_B_MalroyWell, they put 'features' in every new version of windows, that only make them money, like DRM deal with Hollywood for Vista.  What have MS really done to solve the problems users face with Windows?Sep 20 18:09
Diablo-D3like, absurdly soSep 20 18:09
Diablo-D3except its missing a bunch of shit, like you cant host a native X serverSep 20 18:10
Diablo-D3and you cant boot straight to sfuSep 20 18:10
MinceRand your apps can't interface with the console at all :>Sep 20 18:10
MinceRno GUI, no nothingSep 20 18:10
Diablo-D3yes they canSep 20 18:10
Diablo-D3the console app of theirs is a full unix consoleSep 20 18:10
Diablo-D3it just DISPLAYS on a win32 desktopSep 20 18:10
cubevectorand then Dave Cutler and VMS -> Windows NTSep 20 18:10
Diablo-D3and yes, the guy who designed the NT kernel designed the VMS kernelSep 20 18:10
MinceRand to display on a win32 desktop it needs to use the win32 APISep 20 18:11
Diablo-D3and the VMS kernel was somewhat brilliantSep 20 18:11
Diablo-D3MinceR: only to displaySep 20 18:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] My last brush with #Dell service: Fantastic. This time? Like having teeth pulled without anaesthetic. Chat is a stupid way to do service.Sep 20 18:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Linux Kernel Exploit Busily Rooting 64-Bit Machines (/.) http://bit.ly/96TPmcSep 20 18:11
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MinceRso you don't get away without running that "win32 shit"Sep 20 18:11
Diablo-D3you could write a console that did the same thing that dumped to that half-dos consoleSep 20 18:11
Diablo-D3MinceR: I think you're missing what Im saying hereSep 20 18:11
Diablo-D3microsoft has everything they need to produce an OS that doesnt suckSep 20 18:11
MinceRDiablo-D3: if the display hangs your "server" (and i'm using the term loosely here) it isn't of much use, is it?Sep 20 18:11
Diablo-D3see above.Sep 20 18:11
MinceRyes, they have everything they need to do soSep 20 18:11
Diablo-D3they just need to actually go do itSep 20 18:11
MinceRthey have money and they have tons of free software code they can use :>Sep 20 18:12
Diablo-D3if microsoft released a "linux" compliant unix, I'd toy with itSep 20 18:12
cubevectorwell they'll never have a FOSS OS :)Sep 20 18:12
Diablo-D3they could even pull off an osx if they tried hard enoughSep 20 18:12
MinceRan osx isn't worth pulling off eitherSep 20 18:12
Diablo-D3cubevector: SFU ships GPL'ed software, some of it even belongs to the FSFSep 20 18:12
Diablo-D3even comes with gccSep 20 18:12
ThistleWebif MS did rebuild windows so it was secure, would they face a class action lawsuit from all the anti-malware industry who rely on windows being a POS being put out of business? </hypothetical>Sep 20 18:12
MinceRand m$ ships SFU?Sep 20 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OK, done installing. I've just grown the GNU/Linux community by yet another user (in his 50s)Sep 20 18:12
Diablo-D3MinceR: yes, its a ms productSep 20 18:13
MinceRi think i'll need to show this to a m$ cultist i know :)Sep 20 18:13
cubevectorDiablo-D3, how much  does SFU cost?Sep 20 18:13
Diablo-D3its freeSep 20 18:13
gnufreexWhat is SFU?Sep 20 18:13
cubevectorohSep 20 18:13
ThistleWebwould the ant-malware industry claim "too big to fail" to demand a govt handout?Sep 20 18:13
cubevectorServices For UnixSep 20 18:13
Diablo-D3but I think they changed it so it only installs on vista/7 utlimateSep 20 18:13
Diablo-D3*ultimateSep 20 18:13
Diablo-D3but works fine on any 2k/xpSep 20 18:13
cubevectorI'm surprised it's freeSep 20 18:13
Diablo-D3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIXSep 20 18:13
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Chips_B_Malroy"<Diablo-D3> microsoft has everything they need to produce an OS that doesnt suck"  I agree totally with that.  But Ballmer is smug with the lockin and control fo the OEM's.  It will not be done until he leaves.  By then Android will be in use on a larger scale and users will understand that the OS should be free of charge.Sep 20 18:13
Diablo-D3it comes as an optinal install on ultimateSep 20 18:13
ThistleWebor would they change their model to be snake oil salesmen, telling you its vulnerable and that you still need their stuffSep 20 18:14
Chips_B_MalroyMS cannot compete with free, once users use it.Sep 20 18:14
MinceRtoday producing an OS that doesn't suck isn't even difficultSep 20 18:14
cubevectorit's more fun using FOSS thoughSep 20 18:14
Diablo-D3theres even something like ports for SFUSep 20 18:14
MinceRtake a distro that doesn't suck, slap your own name, logo and graphics on and release ;)Sep 20 18:14
gnufreexIt is not supported anymore.Sep 20 18:15
cubevectorsure, start with LFS and go wildSep 20 18:15
Diablo-D3gnufreex: as a stand alone product, noSep 20 18:15
Diablo-D3its intergrated into their server/pro-user productSep 20 18:15
Diablo-D3you can still download it thoughSep 20 18:15
gnufreexIt is oldSep 20 18:15
Diablo-D3not really.Sep 20 18:15
gnufreexThey don't support new GCCSep 20 18:15
Diablo-D3no, but it IS availableSep 20 18:15
gnufreexGCC 4.4 ?Sep 20 18:16
Diablo-D3like I said, theres an entire third party ports-like thing for SFUSep 20 18:16
Diablo-D3its kind of absurd SFU has a community at allSep 20 18:16
gnufreexIt is GPLv3, hence kryptonite for MicrosoftSep 20 18:16
gnufreexfor their FUD strategySep 20 18:16
Diablo-D3no, they just never updated itSep 20 18:16
MinceRand for patent lawsuits :>Sep 20 18:16
MinceRthey never willSep 20 18:16
gnufreexFor patent lawsuits against Free Software which is GPLv3Sep 20 18:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] A "fortuitous" Software Freedom Day happening? My n900 bit the dust, went back to the !freerunner.Sep 20 18:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Thinking a lot today about how we better structure information in the Ubuntu community.Sep 20 18:17
Diablo-D3they probably never will because unix is deadSep 20 18:17
Diablo-D3linux killed itSep 20 18:18
gnufreexThey can still sue anything elseSep 20 18:18
Diablo-D3dude, anyone can sue anyoneSep 20 18:18
Diablo-D3Im not sure why people bring this upSep 20 18:18
Diablo-D3OH LOOK ORACLE IS SUING GOOGLESep 20 18:18
Diablo-D3BOOOOSep 20 18:18
Diablo-D3so whatSep 20 18:18
Diablo-D3save your bile for when Oracle winsSep 20 18:18
gnufreexYou can't win a suit against GPL software if you distributed it. You can sue, but not winSep 20 18:19
MinceRgnu/linux and *bsd are the new unixSep 20 18:19
Diablo-D3gnufreex: actually, you can sueSep 20 18:21
Diablo-D3and winSep 20 18:21
Diablo-D3because microsoft has moneySep 20 18:21
gnufreexOracle ditches Red Hat compatibility http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/20/oracle_own_linux/Sep 20 18:21
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Diablo-D3and whoever is willing to pay the judge the most winsSep 20 18:21
Diablo-D3ermSep 20 18:21
Diablo-D3oracle ships a redhat-based distroSep 20 18:21
Diablo-D3Im not sure how they can give upSep 20 18:21
gnufreexDiablo-D3: If you win patent ingrigement suit against GPL sofware, it won't bring you any money. Google for "liberty or death clause"Sep 20 18:22
Diablo-D3gnufreex: it willSep 20 18:22
Diablo-D3if people abandon free software, microsoft winsSep 20 18:22
MinceRgnufreex: given enough money, the authorities will ignore the lawsSep 20 18:22
MinceR(see sweden)Sep 20 18:22
Diablo-D3think of the big pictureSep 20 18:23
gnufreexNo it won't, GPL forbids paying royalties.Sep 20 18:23
schestowitz[18:05] <Chips_B_Malroy> As it already did on Roy's friend's computer that he is installing PCLinuxOS on.Sep 20 18:25
schestowitzWorks nicely. I'm setting him upSep 20 18:25
schestowitzOne virtual desktop, firefox on desktop, no folderview, etc.Sep 20 18:25
schestowitzSImplfying itSep 20 18:25
Chips_B_MalroyIt is very polished for new users coming from XPSep 20 18:26
Chips_B_MalroyI would say more than Ubuntu, althought Ubuntu is not bad.Sep 20 18:26
cubevectorI don't think there's anyway to stop FOSS nowSep 20 18:28
cubevectornothing short of destroying the internet could do thatSep 20 18:28
gnufreexcubevector: Google is working on that.Sep 20 18:29
gnufreexNet neutrality and suchSep 20 18:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Historic sites in danger http://ur1.ca/1p8b9Sep 20 18:29
cubevectoris there anything beyond GNU/Linux and GNU/Hurd?Sep 20 18:32
MinceRprobablySep 20 18:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How Oracle can easily be defeated in its patent offensive against Android http://ping.fm/m4XjjSep 20 18:32
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cubevectoryup, there's GNU/kFreeBSDSep 20 18:33
gnufreex<cubevector> is there anything beyond GNU/Linux and GNU/Hurd?Sep 20 18:33
gnufreexHow do you mean?Sep 20 18:33
MinceRand most likely nobody knows what it isSep 20 18:33
MinceRs/is/will be/Sep 20 18:33
cubevectorgnufreex, you know like GNU/Something-elseSep 20 18:34
cubevectora different kernel with GNUSep 20 18:34
MinceRoh, i thought you meant what OS would replace thoseSep 20 18:34
cubevectorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexenta_OSSep 20 18:34
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gnufreexcubevector: There was Debian GNU/kNetBSD port, but abandoned. Now they are working on kFreeBSD port. There was a talk about GNU/Sunos port but CDDL incompatiblility made problem.Sep 20 18:35
schestowitzKDE 4.4 is so good and easy that it's not even funny !!Sep 20 18:35
gnufreexNexenta is not GNU/SunosSep 20 18:35
gnufreexIt uses Solaris libcSep 20 18:35
gnufreexIt is just GNOME and GCC on top of Soalris.Sep 20 18:36
gnufreexnot whole GNUSep 20 18:36
cubevectorokSep 20 18:36
gnufreexThere was also GNU/Darwin try, but APSL incompatibility made problem there.Sep 20 18:37
gnufreexAnd Darwin is crap anywaysSep 20 18:37
gnufreexUses MachSep 20 18:37
gnufreexmach can't work on non Apple harewareSep 20 18:37
gnufreexit is not ACPI comilantSep 20 18:37
gnufreexand has lots of quirksSep 20 18:38
gnufreexThat is one of reasons why Hurd have problemsSep 20 18:38
gnufreexMach is crapSep 20 18:38
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gnufreexAnd that is also reason why OSX sucks for servers.Sep 20 18:39
MinceRwrong, HURD itself is based on MachSep 20 18:41
MinceRand it works on non-crApple hardwareSep 20 18:41
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gnufreexMinceR: You didn't understand me corectly. Mach doesn't support lots of feauters that modern PC's have. USB, ACPI... lots.Sep 20 18:42
gnufreexApple chose not to add that to Mach, but instead they made their own version firmwareSep 20 18:43
gnufreexMacs never used BIOSSep 20 18:43
gnufreexFirst used OpenBootSep 20 18:43
gnufreexAnd then EFISep 20 18:43
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gnufreexHurd doesn't support USBSep 20 18:44
gnufreexSATASep 20 18:44
MinceRgnufreex: most likely much of that doesn't even belong in the microkernelSep 20 18:44
MinceRif not all of itSep 20 18:44
Chips_B_Malroybut Macs run on ARMSep 20 18:44
gnufreexAlso, Apple Mach is modifiedSep 20 18:44
gnufreexIt is not same as GNU machSep 20 18:44
gnufreexCarnegee melon stoped doing Mach development in 1995Sep 20 18:45
Chips_B_Malroymore BSD kernel?  iOSSep 20 18:45
MinceRGNU Mach is also a fork of CMU Mach, afaikSep 20 18:45
gnufreexGNU mach took from there for HURDSep 20 18:45
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gnufreexAnd Apple went it's own waySep 20 18:45
gnufreexBut Mach has deep problems that are present both in GNU mach and in Apple MachSep 20 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Meet the GIMP » Blog Archive » Episode 146: Ripping Apart a PDF http://ow.ly/2H0brSep 20 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Editing of Google Docs Coming to Android Soon – Google Apps use growing in business | Android Community http://post.ly/yk70Sep 20 18:46
gnufreexDesign flawsSep 20 18:46
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gnufreexscalability is one of tthemSep 20 18:46
schestowitzscalability=buying a new MaKSep 20 18:49
schestowitz"there. it scales now."Sep 20 18:49
MinceRwhat are the design flaws of Mach?Sep 20 18:50
gnufreexschestowitz: lolSep 20 18:50
gnufreexMinceR: There is academic papers about that if you want to readSep 20 18:50
gnufreexThere is manySep 20 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Monday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/406208/rssSep 20 18:51
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24927010451 "@lightweight Even though I live in Bavaria, I don't drink beer. Not even now at Oktoberfest time :-) I still fight against patent problems."Sep 20 18:51
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schestowitz"fight against patent problems."=Sep 20 18:51
schestowitzFight against people who protect Linux from patentsSep 20 18:52
schestowitzor promoting RANDSep 20 18:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Fox News Took 'Dramatic Step' In Suing Political Campaign, Says Copyright Expert http://eff.org/r.r9wSep 20 18:52
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schestowitz*LOL*Sep 20 18:53
schestowitzMicrosoft Florian speaks with Microsoft Jack. http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24927051568 http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/24927664363Sep 20 18:53
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MinceRgnufreex: url?Sep 20 18:53
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politicsnorthwest/2012948586_ballmer_and_bezos_opposing_inc.htmlSep 20 18:54
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Chips_B_Malroy"Two of the state's richest men, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer and Amazon.com founder and CEO Jeff Bezos, have each contributed $100,000 to the Defeat I-1098 campaign."Sep 20 18:54
Chips_B_Malroy"Initiative 1098 would create a 5 percent tax rate on annual income exceeding $200,000 for individuals and $400,000 for couples, and a 9 percent tax rate on income that tops $500,000 for individuals and $1 million for couples. It also would cut state property taxes by 20 percent and newly exempt 118,000 businesses from the state business and occupation tax."Sep 20 18:54
Chips_B_Malroy"There's a certain symmetry to the Ballmer contribution, given that he's the CEO of Microsoft. Bill Gates Sr., the father of Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates Jr., helped write the income tax initiative and is the public face of the proposal."Sep 20 18:55
schestowitzBriberySep 20 18:55
schestowitzRich people buy lawsSep 20 18:55
schestowitzBut they call it "lobbying"Sep 20 18:56
Diablo-D3poor people could do it tooSep 20 18:56
schestowitzIt sounds better than briberySep 20 18:56
Diablo-D3theres more of us than themSep 20 18:56
Chips_B_MalroyCan't tell you if its a good law or not, your take on it is better than mine.Sep 20 18:56
Chips_B_Malroysince Bill Gates Sr helped write this lawSep 20 18:56
Diablo-D3must be automatically evil, eh?Sep 20 18:57
Chips_B_MalroySo the rich write the laws, and the rich oppose it?Sep 20 18:57
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: it doesn't apply to himSep 20 18:57
schestowitzHis bank account is shieldedSep 20 18:57
schestowitzCause he called it "foundation"Sep 20 18:57
schestowitzMaybe Bezos and Ballmer would also create a pet charitySep 20 18:57
Diablo-D3why dont they just give me like 2 millionSep 20 18:57
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Chips_B_Malroyah, but does Gates father invest in his son's 'foundation'?Sep 20 18:58
schestowitzThis way they get tax exemptions and maybe good PR (if they spend mil/billions on PR people)Sep 20 18:58
sebsebsebHiSep 20 18:58
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yesSep 20 18:58
schestowitzHe's in itSep 20 18:58
schestowitzCommon knowledge...Sep 20 18:58
schestowitzRaikes too nowSep 20 18:58
schestowitzWarren...Sep 20 18:58
Chips_B_MalroyObviously, tightwad Ballmer does not invest in a foundation.Sep 20 18:58
schestowitzThe most generous person LOLSep 20 18:58
schestowitzHe thought he could pay to PR-savvy people rather than state tax officeSep 20 18:59
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer and Jobs are both tightwads.Sep 20 18:59
schestowitzI don't understand why he joined an existing pet charity rather than create his ownSep 20 18:59
Chips_B_MalroyJobs even did not want to pay for his child.Sep 20 18:59
schestowitzMuch less affluent people make pet charitiesSep 20 18:59
schestowitz"I am most rich and also most generous" :-)Sep 20 18:59
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Lisa?Sep 20 19:00
Chips_B_Malroyits in the wikipediaSep 20 19:00
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: maybe he'll send her an exploding iSOmething..Sep 20 19:00
Chips_B_Malroynice guySep 20 19:00
gnufreexMinceR: I tried to find it, only find one that I dodn't look for http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwalfield.org%2Fpapers%2F200707-walfield-critique-of-the-GNU-Hurd.pdf&ei=GJ-XTOjiD9GVswa5j8hk&usg=AFQjCNFKQ6B47CNcGBP9qBQJ65fZOHsFbQ&sig2=b4-3uK8GCJLMU6pKMC8cYASep 20 19:00
gnufreexIt is PDF MinceRSep 20 19:00
Chips_B_MalroyJobs make Scrooge look like a saintSep 20 19:01
gnufreexIt is criticism of Hurd, but it has lots about MachSep 20 19:01
MinceRchecking itSep 20 19:01
Chips_B_Malroyand Ballmer is not too far behind Jobs in that regard.Sep 20 19:01
gnufreexMinceR: Section 4 starts about machSep 20 19:02
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft as a company has been silent on the initiative, although the Washington Roundtable, which represents executives from large corporations, including Microsoft, opposes the measure."Sep 20 19:02
gnufreexI will try to find one exclusively about MachSep 20 19:02
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, one more quote from that tax link:  "The contributions by Ballmer, Bezos and others "says that they've reached the same conclusion that many others have, which is this is really bad for the economy and really bad for job creation," Mullin said."Sep 20 19:03
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: got itSep 20 19:03
schestowitzFor another daySep 20 19:04
Chips_B_Malroythat is really rich, Ballmer helps create Jobs?????    MS is laying off workers.Sep 20 19:04
schestowitzI have too many posts in the queue alreadySep 20 19:04
Chips_B_MalroysureSep 20 19:04
Chips_B_MalroyI know you have a lot to doSep 20 19:04
schestowitzAnd I need to catch up a bit... spent the afternoon making another Linux userSep 20 19:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Fix ugly plymouth screen on Ubuntu 10.10 using a simple script http://ow.ly/2H0QBSep 20 19:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] VLC approved on the iPad http://is.gd/fjQUG is it still #freesoftware? !fsfeSep 20 19:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Firefox Home now globally available and with new URL search bar http://mzl.la/biy35e /by @firefoxSep 20 19:04
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Chips_B_Malroya worthwhile project, I might add, making another lInux userSep 20 19:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FFII @Donnerbeutel Those concerned about #ACTA know how to act in an effective manner. Others don't.Sep 20 19:06
schestowitzOne Microsoft booster mentions another (Floyd) http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/66445Sep 20 19:06
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sebsebsebschestowitz: So you going to use Mageia?Sep 20 19:08
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.ismashphone.com/2010/09/tech-executives-say-the-darndest-things.htmlSep 20 19:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @royhugo VLC approved on the iPad http://is.gd/fjQUG is it still #freesoftware? !fsfe > well, at least Apple is not *too* (L)GPL-allergicSep 20 19:09
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Chips_B_Malroy"Steve Ballmer (Again) - Says Larry Ellison is OverpaidSep 20 19:09
Chips_B_MalroyHere's another one of our favorites from Ballmer. Yes, Larry Ellison was paid $74 million when Ballmer said this. Ballmer had received less than a million. Though most of Ballmer's money comes from ownership of Microsoft stock. When this was reported, the guy was worth $15 billion. Sorry, but if you are worth that kind of money, the last thing you should be complaining about is someone else being overpaid."Sep 20 19:09
MinceRgnufreex: i see. it seems to me that these issues are fixable though.Sep 20 19:10
sebsebsebThistleWeb: about?Sep 20 19:10
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer is not making too many personal appearances lately since the Kin failure.Sep 20 19:11
gnufreexMinceR: Apple tried to fix it by not making real microkernel system: They just bolted BSD kernel on top of mach to provide things that Mach sucks at. And they made IO/kit for drivers, but those are not userspace drivers. Those are kernel extensions (.kext)Sep 20 19:12
MinceRi doubt that crApple was trying to fix those thingsSep 20 19:12
gnufreexMinceR: Tru64/OSF/Digital UNIX have gone similar route.Sep 20 19:12
MinceRthey just wanted some features from freebsd so they hacked stuff together blindlySep 20 19:12
gnufreexSingle server OSSep 20 19:13
gnufreexNot real microkernelSep 20 19:13
MinceRdoing these things properly is certainly going to take more time than the hackjob they did at next and crAppleSep 20 19:13
gnufreexOnly Hurd guys tried real dealSep 20 19:13
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.dailyfinance.com/story/8-boneheaded-blunders-by-americas-biggest-ceoshold/19616812/Sep 20 19:13
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gnufreexMinceR: Only Hurd people tried to do that heavy lifting.Sep 20 19:13
Chips_B_Malroy"Sep 20 19:13
Chips_B_Malroy1. Google's not a real company. It's a house of cards.Sep 20 19:13
Chips_B_Malroy-- Steve Ballmer, CEO of Microsoft (MSFT)Sep 20 19:13
Chips_B_MalroyAllegedly, Ballmer made this statement upon learning that engineer Kai-Fu Lee was leaving Microsoft in order to join Google (GOOG). Microsoft sued Google over the hiring, arguing that it was in violation of Lee's noncompete agreement. In a legal document used in the lawsuit, another engineer named Mark Lucovsky recounted Ballmer's words when he decided to defect from Microsoft for Google in 2004.Sep 20 19:13
Chips_B_MalroyLooking back, Ballmer demonstrated a comical level of ignorance. Google has crushed Microsoft in both the search and mobile software businesses, and its stock is up 60% over the past five years. Microsoft's stock, meanwhile, is down 3%.Sep 20 19:13
Chips_B_MalroySee full article from DailyFinance: http://srph.it/cpgj37Sep 20 19:14
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gnufreexMinceR: And guy that wrote that paper (Neal Walfield) decided to write another microkernel for Hurd: Viengoos.Sep 20 19:14
MinceRinterestingSep 20 19:14
Chips_B_MalroyI believe that was when the chair throwing incidence happened, with the Mark Lucovshy defection to Google.Sep 20 19:15
gnufreexHurd is collection of servers to run atop of Microkernel. It uses Mach now, but it can use another microkernelSep 20 19:15
MinceRindeedSep 20 19:15
gnufreexMinceR: Interesting why Stallman chose Mach. He was scared that monolithic kernels will become obsolete, and Mach was big deal at that time. It was next big thing. He was scared that wrong choice will make Free Software obsolete like his old PDP-10. And Mach was hyped up... so obvious choice.Sep 20 19:18
MinceRindeedSep 20 19:18
ThistleWebsebsebseb: yesSep 20 19:18
sebsebsebThistleWeb: quick pm?Sep 20 19:19
ThistleWebsureSep 20 19:19
Chips_B_MalroySmaller iPad's are coming.  Will they be cheaper?Sep 20 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] User is happy with !KDE 4.4. It's a lot faster than XP was and everything looks far better, with plasmoids and all...Sep 20 19:19
Chips_B_MalroyNot sure which is worse, Apple or MS.Sep 20 19:19
MinceRhow do they pronounce "viengoos" and what does it mean? :)Sep 20 19:20
MinceRi think crApple has more evil intentions but m$ is more successful at theirsSep 20 19:20
Chips_B_MalroyApple seems to be more competent, so could be the greater danger to freedom in the long runSep 20 19:20
MinceRi don't find crApple being more competentSep 20 19:20
Chips_B_MalroyMS might be a has beenSep 20 19:20
MinceRthey both might be has-beensSep 20 19:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Fox News Took 'Dramatic Step' In Suing Political Campaign, Says Copyright Expert http://eff.org/r.r9wSep 20 19:21
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gnufreexMinceR: I don't know, maybe Vien-gooseSep 20 19:21
MinceRsomeone suggested that crApple's history shows that they can't get away from the fringeSep 20 19:21
MinceRif they get too high installed base/market share/mindshare, they crashSep 20 19:21
Chips_B_Malroycause they want too much for their products.Sep 20 19:22
Chips_B_Malroyso will always be a niche playerSep 20 19:22
Chips_B_Malroyexcept for the IpodSep 20 19:22
gnufreexYeah, they are too propiratary. What they did with iPhone is their top. Only down from here.Sep 20 19:22
MinceRwhat would the fanboys do if the cult grew too big? they wouldn't be rare anymore.Sep 20 19:22
Chips_B_MalroyNow if Android was made for a iPod clone, what would happen?Sep 20 19:23
MinceRperhaps it's already in the worksSep 20 19:23
MinceRi predict doom for crAppleSep 20 19:23
Chips_B_MalroymaybeSep 20 19:23
MinceRandroid seems to be functional already without any communications equipment... it's already used in ebook readersSep 20 19:24
Chips_B_MalroyApple cannot compete long term against Google eitherSep 20 19:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: 40 Fascinating Quotes on Technology, Linux and Microsoft http://goo.gl/Qe1zSep 20 19:24
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Chips_B_Malroywe are seeing that now in smartphonesSep 20 19:24
Chips_B_MalroyThe battle is about to be won on smartphones with the next one starting on Tablets and Netbooks.Sep 20 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] One download of #PCLinuxOS made many installations here. If you know someone who rants about XP, show him/her #PCLinuxOS and install itSep 20 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS Magazine: !KDE 4 SC Special Edition Released http://www.pclinuxos.com/?p=820Sep 20 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] The Outlaws are back! Hell yeah!!! Live show underway at http://linuxoutlaws.com/liveSep 20 19:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] PCLinuxOS is a good path for gratis Mandriva. There is another new one http://ur1.ca/1palo #PCLOS was so good I purged XP for user-no dualSep 20 19:29
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Chips_B_MalroyI know Roy does not like this type of link, but I only post it to show Apple's iPad is gaining, at the expense of MS.  http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9IBNRV01.htmSep 20 19:30
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Chips_B_Malroyshould be a bad quarter for MS coming up.  Employees there should be worried about their jobs.Sep 20 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Anti-papal protests greet Benedict XVI in UK http://ur1.ca/1pancSep 20 19:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @royhugo yeah, I was surprised too. I'm not sure how they got it into there (it's GPL'd) http://ur1.ca/03b8f @brettcsmith?Sep 20 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] does !VLC have the kind of copyright assignment that'd allow such thing? !GPLSep 20 19:32
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Chips_B_MalroyJoe Wilcox had an interesting post awhile ago.  In it he said if you considered the iPad as a PC, and added the Macs and iPads sold in the USA, then Apple is the largest seller of computers in the USA, bigger than HP.Sep 20 19:33
Chips_B_MalroyWhich is probably why HP bought PalmSep 20 19:34
gnufreexPalm is dead now when MS executive takes over.Sep 20 19:35
Chips_B_Malroymaybe, maybe notSep 20 19:35
schestowitz[19:30] <Chips_B_Malroy> should be a bad quarter for MS coming up.  Employees there should be worried about their jobs.Sep 20 19:35
MinceRm$ is sending a mole to HP, too?Sep 20 19:35
schestowitz /s/their//Sep 20 19:35
gnufreexMinceR: They already have mole in HP software divisionSep 20 19:36
MinceRalso, sounds like USA is the land of the people who can't tell their fingers apart without looking.Sep 20 19:36
schestowitz[19:30] <Chips_B_Malroy> I know Roy does not like this type of link, but I only post it to show Apple's iPad is gaining, at the expense of MS.  http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9IBNRV01.htm   << that's not really good news. It helps Apple to post itSep 20 19:36
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Chips_B_Malroy" <MinceR> m$ is sending a mole to HP, too?"  more than likely its true.  But consider the altermative, that many employees that leave a company do so because they hate that company.Sep 20 19:36
MinceRChips_B_Malroy: it was in response to >> 203502 < gnufreex> Palm is dead now when MS executive takes over.Sep 20 19:37
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, I am not promoting Apple, even if I sound like it.  Only I want to know what the trend is.Sep 20 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “We’re all freaking doomed.”, says Alan Greenspan. http://ur1.ca/1pb13 #finance #cfr #fedSep 20 19:39
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MinceRit all depends on how stupid people are. :>Sep 20 19:40
Chips_B_MalroyI would say that if there was a rumored rebellion by top level MS executives against Ballmer, that they lost, and are leaving MS in great numbers.Sep 20 19:40
MinceRwas there?Sep 20 19:40
Chips_B_Malroythat is the questionSep 20 19:40
gnufreexThat is bad news then. Microsoft excutives will make small Microsoft of any company they are in charge in. Just look VMware.Sep 20 19:41
gnufreexThey completely shifted compan't culture.Sep 20 19:42
Chips_B_MalroyMost of them are moles, I would agree, but not all.  The Yahoo ones are moles.Sep 20 19:42
gnufreexIt doesn't matter if they are moles or notSep 20 19:42
gnufreexThey destroy company's cultureSep 20 19:43
gnufreexIf company had interest in FLOSS, ex Microsoftie will turn it back to propriatary way.Sep 20 19:43
Chips_B_MalroyElop probably is too,  But we will see the direction Nokia goes.Sep 20 19:43
Chips_B_MalroyLike they did NovellSep 20 19:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @brabster ... http://is.gd/fivfT Paul Allen files a load of software patents against pretty much everyone. Interesting #swpat #tRaulAllenSep 20 19:44
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gnufreexSome of ex Microsoft executives will be fierce competitors to Microsoft when they land new jobs. But they will compete on propriatary terms, avoiding GPL and spreading FUD against FLOSS.Sep 20 19:44
Chips_B_MalroyNovell never understood open source like Google or IBMSep 20 19:44
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/51045428#notice-51471467 "@schestowitz user is far more happier using !KDE 4.5 :D"Sep 20 19:45
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schestowitz[19:43] <gnufreex> If company had interest in FLOSS, ex Microsoftie will turn it back to propriatary way.Sep 20 19:46
schestowitzLike YahooSep 20 19:46
schestowitzYahoo had ZImbraSep 20 19:46
schestowitzNot anymoreSep 20 19:46
gnufreexYes, exactlySep 20 19:46
schestowitzAnd it also did PHP and a lot of BSDSep 20 19:46
Chips_B_MalroyMostly I think that is trueSep 20 19:46
schestowitzNow it's redirected to BongSep 20 19:46
schestowitzYahoo's CTO is a Microsoft wemployeeSep 20 19:47
schestowitzStill.Sep 20 19:47
schestowitzAT heart.Sep 20 19:47
Chips_B_MalroyNovell did not really know what to do with Suse, except to sell server software to corpsSep 20 19:47
schestowitzNow he just had a different company in his resumeSep 20 19:47
schestowitzWhen Bartzmer and ballmer get out of the bedroom he takes order from the same roomSep 20 19:48
MinceRif novell didn't know what to do with suse then they shouldn't have bought them.Sep 20 19:48
gnufreexIBM talked Novell into buying SuSE.Sep 20 19:48
Chips_B_Malroy"<schestowitz> Yahoo's CTO is a Microsoft wemployee"  LOL, you are being too generous, she is far worse than that.Sep 20 19:48
gnufreexAnd Mat AsaySep 20 19:48
schestowitzGroklaw: "[PJ: Let me hasten to say I have no knowledge if this is so or not. He goes on to say that Maritz and Microsoft have been publicly trash talking each other, so that means there's no love lost. Maybe. Or maybe it's like professional wrestling, where it looks like a fight, but in reality it's a choreographed dance so it looks like a fight.] "Sep 20 19:48
gnufreexlolSep 20 19:48
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: it's a heSep 20 19:49
schestowitzgnufreex: hehSep 20 19:49
Chips_B_Malroysorry, I was thinking CEOSep 20 19:49
schestowitzMac Asay talks Novell into buys MacSep 20 19:49
schestowitzMany employees in Novell use MacsSep 20 19:49
gnufreexIBM was scared that Red Hat might become new borg. So they convinced Novell to buy SuSE.Sep 20 19:49
schestowitzMaybe not so much among the Linux typesSep 20 19:50
schestowitzgnufreex: lessons from the VoleSep 20 19:50
schestowitzThey gave a Napoleonic man too much authoritySep 20 19:50
schestowitzThen he did a "Jihad" thing on them (that's what he calls it, I guess)Sep 20 19:51
gnufreexYeah. They didn't want new Microsoft. But they didn't realize that Red Hat never can be new Microsoft. They are all open source.Sep 20 19:51
schestowitzFree software evenSep 20 19:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG Ubuntu: Elementary styled GMusicBrowser anyone? http://goo.gl/yBXZSep 20 19:52
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gnufreexI think it is IBM's hate toward GPL. IBM want to have expensive propriatarty software that is mainly writen by other people. Hence EPL.Sep 20 19:52
gnufreexRed Hat avoids EPL, they only use Eclipse because there is no alternative.Sep 20 19:53
MinceRwhat, mac asay talked novell into buying suse?Sep 20 19:53
gnufreexMinceR: He braged about that in his blog. But he is probably lying.Sep 20 19:54
MinceRicSep 20 19:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: Firefox 4 For Linux Video / Screenshots Preview (Beta 7 Pre) http://goo.gl/U4FYSep 20 19:54
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gnufreexHe said something like: I was convincig Novell to help linux... or something like that.Sep 20 19:54
gnufreexHe wasn't realy deciding anything.Sep 20 19:54
MinceRlolSep 20 19:55
MinceRyeah, novell really helped a lotSep 20 19:55
MinceRshows how warped that clown's mind isSep 20 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The trolls have found another Linux forum/site to ruin with foul language, this time @OpenBytes http://ur1.ca/1pbra #astroturfSep 20 19:57
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Chips_B_Malroyso Paul Singer wins, Novell is about to be broken up and sold, and Elliot makes a profit.Sep 20 19:58
Chips_B_Malroyit would have been nice if the sco-novell court case would have finished firstSep 20 20:00
schestowitz[19:53] <MinceR> what, mac asay talked novell into buying suse?Sep 20 20:01
schestowitzNoSep 20 20:01
schestowitzhe had little potency thereSep 20 20:01
*MinceR snickersSep 20 20:01
schestowitzGore invented the InternetSep 20 20:03
schestowitzSays... the InternetSep 20 20:03
MinceR:DSep 20 20:03
MinceR"i heard it on the internets, so it must be true!"Sep 20 20:04
schestowitzBallmer was pelted with eggs near MinceR's streetSep 20 20:04
MinceR"my street" by what definition? :>Sep 20 20:04
Chips_B_Malroyare eggs used as some sort of deorderant?Sep 20 20:04
schestowitzI'm starting to call VMwareSep 20 20:05
schestowitzMSwareSep 20 20:05
schestowitzIt's similar anywaySep 20 20:05
MinceRChips_B_Malroy: they could beSep 20 20:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "So Paul Singer wins, Novell is about to be broken up and sold, and Elliot makes a profit." --Chips MalroySep 20 20:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "...it would have been nice if the sco-novell court case would have finished first" --Chips Malroy #novell #sco #suse #MSwareSep 20 20:06
MinceRbut more eggs are needed for thatSep 20 20:06
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: rotten eggs smell better than many thingsSep 20 20:06
schestowitzRMS: " In a big defeat for digital handcuffs, the master key for the HDMI video interface has been published. "Sep 20 20:08
Chips_B_MalroyPrediction:  Ballmer is not smart enough to let the Zune die in October.  He will insist on more Zunes, even though its a proven failure.Sep 20 20:08
Chips_B_MalroyCould Intel have actually leaked it?Sep 20 20:09
MinceRwhy would they?Sep 20 20:09
MinceRthey threatened to sue anyone who uses itSep 20 20:09
MinceRanother dick move from intelSep 20 20:10
Chips_B_MalroyBluray after all this time has not replaced DVD, because of the DRMSep 20 20:10
Chips_B_MalroyIntel's DRM is partly the cause of Bluray not being the media of choice for most peopleSep 20 20:10
Chips_B_Malroy*mostlySep 20 20:11
Chips_B_Malroythe causeSep 20 20:11
MinceRthere's an obvious way to fix that issueSep 20 20:12
Chips_B_Malroyquestion, the intel drm, is this purely a hardware solution, or can in be done in a software only solution?  Like in Linux to run all bluraySep 20 20:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] This is a test message.Sep 20 20:12
MinceRit can certainly be emulated in sw, if it isn't sw-only alreadySep 20 20:13
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: http://www.csmonitor.com/From-the-news-wires/2010/0916/Poverty-rate-climbs-to-14.3-percent-15-year-highSep 20 20:13
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Chips_B_Malroyif it can be done in linux like css was, then bluray has as futureSep 20 20:14
Chips_B_Malroyeven microsoft kowtowing to hollywood with Vista, could not really make bluray the mainstream choice over dvdSep 20 20:15
Chips_B_Malroyblu-ray still struggles, although gainly slowlySep 20 20:16
ThistleWeblike anything, part of forcing the new stadnard is restricting the oldSep 20 20:18
ThistleWebgradually you'll see studios not release on dvd, but only on bluraySep 20 20:18
Chips_B_MalroyIntel can sue whoever they want, but mostly only in the USA.  If it can be done in software, then like css it will end up in an repo in some foriegn country that Intel cannot do anything about.Sep 20 20:18
ThistleWebthen they make less and less dvd players, so they're harder to buy if your old player goes bust, so you're only option is bluraySep 20 20:19
ThistleWebthen paint the sales as "customers asking for the future, and embracing it" instead of "customers being given no choice but to embrace it"Sep 20 20:20
Chips_B_MalroyIntel may actually make more in hardware sales from this being cracked than it makes on the DRMSep 20 20:20
MinceRthen i really don't get what all the dickwaving is about.Sep 20 20:20
Chips_B_MalroyDVD still has too big of the market share for companies to do this.Sep 20 20:21
Chips_B_MalroyyetSep 20 20:21
ThistleWebI'd imagine they'll just ensure that the firmware on players if not upgradableSep 20 20:21
ThistleWebso it can't be flashed with the new codeSep 20 20:21
ThistleWebor do what sony are doingSep 20 20:21
Chips_B_Malroymaybe the life of bluray is not that long, with digital downloading a better betSep 20 20:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Steve Jobs to student: "Our goals do not include helping you get a good grade." (Gawker): http://bit.ly/aLgzInSep 20 20:22
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Chips_B_Malroyas in what happened to music is happening to videoSep 20 20:23
Chips_B_Malroyif they want to sell bluray now before this happens, then better to leak out a crackSep 20 20:23
Chips_B_Malroywhy else would you acknownledge that it was a real crack?Sep 20 20:25
ThistleWebmaybe they had no choiceSep 20 20:25
Chips_B_Malroyby going after people you also create more publishity that your product (DRM) failedSep 20 20:26
Chips_B_Malroyeither way, leak or not, Intel failedSep 20 20:26
ThistleWebcompanies have all sorts of stuff they have to do to stay legal with their shareholdersSep 20 20:26
Chips_B_MalroyDRM fails once againSep 20 20:26
amarsh04since when did ms start using "windows, life without walls" - I thought it went, "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?"Sep 20 20:27
gnufreexhttp://www.h-online.com/open/features/A-crash-landing-for-Linux-1082048.htmlSep 20 20:27
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ThistleWebmaybe they were caught in a bind and had no way to avoid admiting itSep 20 20:27
Chips_B_Malroyno they would just lie like their buddies at MSSep 20 20:27
ThistleWebthere are ways of lyingSep 20 20:27
Chips_B_Malroygood luck with them sueing the Red ChineseSep 20 20:28
ThistleWebthey can play the PR game, but they have to be honest with their shareholders, even if they do try to pt as much spin on it as possibleSep 20 20:28
ThistleWebMPs can mislead in interviews etc, but they can't lie in the chambersSep 20 20:28
Chips_B_MalroyIntel's DRM is probably not making much money anywaySep 20 20:29
Chips_B_Malroyisn't it a licenced product?Sep 20 20:29
ThistleWebthere is no comeback if they lie eleswhere, but their position is in jepardy if they lie in the chamberSep 20 20:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] An Ecology Of Ardour (Linux Journal) http://lwn.net/Articles/406292/rssSep 20 20:29
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Chips_B_Malroyor say nothing?Sep 20 20:29
ThistleWebthey had to say somethingSep 20 20:30
ThistleWebif they say it's not, they're lying, which affects shareholdersSep 20 20:30
ThistleWebit's one thing not to say anything if not askedSep 20 20:30
Chips_B_Malroywell, the genie's out of the bottle on this one, and Intel and Hollywood cannot put it back in and find the cork.Sep 20 20:30
ThistleWebit's something else to lie in reply to a direct questionSep 20 20:30
ThistleWebyepSep 20 20:30
ThistleWebit'll be like whackamoleSep 20 20:31
ThistleWebin all sorts of areas where they have no or little powerSep 20 20:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] All about secularism http://ur1.ca/1pd1bSep 20 20:31
ThistleWebI'm guessing it will be as successful as stopping css, which has failed for the most partSep 20 20:32
ThistleWebunless they;re banking on ACTA giving them bullying super powersSep 20 20:32
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Chips_B_Malroytruthfully, Bluray is not for the masses, as its too expensive over DVD.  But cracking it might make it so.  They will actually make more money if the crack is effective.  Leaving it as it was, means that downloading was becoming the future, not bluray.Sep 20 20:33
ThistleWebmaybe that's part of the plan in admitting it, give the studios another important reason to lobby for ACTASep 20 20:33
Chips_B_MalroyACTA, whatever they want they get here in the USA.  Our gov is bought and paid for.Sep 20 20:34
schestowitzObama loves ACTASep 20 20:35
Chips_B_Malroyyes, but so didn't BushSep 20 20:35
schestowitzNot just Obama AdministrationSep 20 20:35
schestowitzObama himselfSep 20 20:35
Chips_B_Malroyboth parties are the party of Hollywood fat catsSep 20 20:35
ThistleWebthe democrats are very close to the music / movie industry at the best of timesSep 20 20:36
Chips_B_Malroyboth parties are the party of Micro$oftSep 20 20:36
schestowitzMicrosoft pays bothSep 20 20:36
Chips_B_MalroyyepSep 20 20:36
schestowitzLike an arms firmsSep 20 20:36
Chips_B_Malroyso doesn't HollywoodSep 20 20:37
ThistleWebbit corps dont take chances, they invest in both parties so they don;t have to worry who gets in, they have strings to pull so nothing chnagesSep 20 20:37
ThistleWebbig*Sep 20 20:37
Chips_B_Malroythey ususally give the party more likely to win more moneySep 20 20:37
MinceRall they have to ensure is that the two-party system persistsSep 20 20:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Obama himself -- not just Obama Administration -- is in favour of ACTA. I want people to ask Obama in a press conference what #ACTA is.Sep 20 20:37
Chips_B_MalroyOh, I think they have enough money for a 3 or 4 party systemSep 20 20:38
Chips_B_Malroymaybe moreSep 20 20:38
MinceRbut why pay 3 or 4 parties if they can get away with paying 2?Sep 20 20:39
Chips_B_Malroythis is trueSep 20 20:39
ThistleWebany half way successful politician is good at wordplay, dodging questions and spouting a pre-planned opinion as factSep 20 20:39
ThistleWebit does make you wonder if the debate education at the top schools is to blame for a lot of it. Where they get trained to take a side, and defend it to the hilt, no matter whether they agree with that sideSep 20 20:40
MinceRmaybe they can create a one-party system and save even moreSep 20 20:40
ThistleWebit gets them used to lying, evading etcSep 20 20:40
MinceRThistleWeb: interesting pointSep 20 20:40
ThistleWebready to stand as MPs and start their career as mouthpeices for corpsSep 20 20:40
MinceRi was never taught to debateSep 20 20:40
ThistleWebnether was ISep 20 20:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] 2.6.36-rc4-git5: Reported regressions from 2.6.35 http://bit.ly/dug8W6 "Total: 38 Pending: 15 Unresolved: 15"Sep 20 20:41
ThistleWebbut the top schools do itSep 20 20:41
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ThistleWebthe ones that provide an endless stream of public officialsSep 20 20:41
ThistleWebthe "born to rule" schoolsSep 20 20:41
Chips_B_MalroyI seen a link somewhere that we are now out of the recession (USA).Sep 20 20:41
ThistleWebChips_B_Malroy: that's a claim on some hair restoring productsSep 20 20:42
Chips_B_MalroylolSep 20 20:42
ThistleWeb"helping you out of recession" lolSep 20 20:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Mark Van den Borre: Ecolo (the French speaking green party of Belgium) switching to !Ubuntu http://goo.gl/YA3gSep 20 20:42
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ThistleWebthe act of debate is fine, the problem I have is being trained to defend something you don't believe inSep 20 20:43
ThistleWebit trains you to fake passion and sinceritySep 20 20:43
ThistleWebso that people can't tell the difference when you're actually debating something you DO believe inSep 20 20:44
ThistleWebit's all about the technicallity, to win the debateSep 20 20:44
Chips_B_Malroy93% of congressmen started out as lawyers.  Personally, I believe lawyers should be disbarred as running for public office.Sep 20 20:45
ThistleWebmany UK MPs have professional legal backgroundsSep 20 20:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] !mutt adds the '+' sign only if 'to' in the msg is the same as the 'from' variable. Is it possible to have a list of all personal addresses?Sep 20 20:46
ThistleWebit helps the whole debate thing, to ensure that you don't "lie" in a forum where it can come back to hurt you, while choosing your words intentionally to misleadSep 20 20:46
Chips_B_Malroy"[12:50] <ThistleWeb> the act of debate is fine, the problem I have is being trained to defend something you don't believe in"  Do you mean like the MS Shills?  The actual ones that get paid to shill most likely do not believe in MS products unlike the deranged fanboisSep 20 20:46
ThistleWebI mean politicians who get some kickback to promote a bill from a corp or industrySep 20 20:47
ThistleWebthey passionately debate for a bill, knowing it's being pushed from some corpSep 20 20:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I've just shown someone the !KDE desktop I installed this afternoon and he wants it too (so another new !gnu !linux user on his way) #byexpSep 20 20:47
ThistleWebyet do it from a poiint of "I've read this, I agree with this, it's a coincidence that I'm getting a lot of cash from interested parties"Sep 20 20:48
ThistleWeblike the ACTA supportersSep 20 20:48
Chips_B_Malroykickbacks (bribes) can come in many forms.  They can be legal, although unethical.  Many US presidents make money after they leave office on speaking trips, that are vastly overpaid for example.  Its almost impossible to prove its not a payoff.Sep 20 20:48
ThistleWebwell, those who can make a difference, those who have a voteSep 20 20:49
ThistleWebI knowSep 20 20:49
Chips_B_Malroy* I mean that it isSep 20 20:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @lwnnet for those who think saying Linux is shorter... Oracle's new announcement could have just said “Unbreakable Linux”Sep 20 20:49
ThistleWebon leaving office, you become a boardmember of several corps you helped while in office, each paying a fortune, for the odd meeting here and thereSep 20 20:49
Chips_B_MalroySenators and Congressmen after office take profitable lobby jobs, are these rewards?  (bribes?)Sep 20 20:50
ThistleWebof courseSep 20 20:50
Chips_B_MalroyI agreeSep 20 20:50
ThistleWebthe point is that politicians all too often debate the corps position as their ownSep 20 20:51
Chips_B_Malroythe system is rottenSep 20 20:51
Chips_B_Malroybut I don't know the cureSep 20 20:51
schestowitzHillary got $$ fro healthcareSep 20 20:51
schestowitzSo she reversed he positionSep 20 20:51
ThistleWebbecause anything that pins their view to a corp or it's lobbyists would be seen as what it is, corruptionSep 20 20:51
Chips_B_Malroyshe is not aloneSep 20 20:51
schestowitzJoe Liberman tooSep 20 20:51
schestowitz s/he/herSep 20 20:52
schestowitzHere. Some would say "he" tooiSep 20 20:52
schestowitzThere's this joke about her being masculineSep 20 20:52
schestowitzabout Goblin's blog being ruined: "Really sad, and shameful. :(" http://identi.ca/conversation/51050302#notice-51478544  http://identi.ca/attachment/29063809 "@schestowitz Dude, what is really amazing is that right after the blog, people really got back to thouse #vulgar words. My goodness. They really hate #FOSS"Sep 20 20:52
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ThistleWebthe whole debate training at school trains them to play to an audience tooSep 20 20:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Not a good day for Micro☭oft over here... many installations of Windows are dying, devoured by penguins.Sep 20 20:54
Chips_B_Malroy" <schestowitz> about Goblin's blog being ruined: "Really sad, and shameful. :(""  well, Goblin's needs to moderate the troll's and ban some of them.  Its not censorship, its moderation when you do it with careful rules.Sep 20 20:54
Chips_B_MalroyTim should have known that from the filth that was posted on MS WatchSep 20 20:55
schestowitzI told himSep 20 20:55
schestowitzBut he fed this trollSep 20 20:55
Chips_B_MalroyBut its his site, and I wish Goblin the bestSep 20 20:55
schestowitzNot the trolls feels like he he has developed a personal relationship with TimSep 20 20:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I wrote to !GPL violator:"Taken by byte count,this candidate C&CS release has more binary code violating GPL than it does compliant sources"Sep 20 20:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Great job in forking the kernel. No different from the opensolaris that Sun did. http://ur1.ca/1pe10 #fbSep 20 20:56
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schestowitzhttp://tech.spreadit.org/skyhook-google-lawsuit/Sep 20 20:56
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schestowitzTrollsSep 20 20:56
schestowitzWIth pretend 'product'Sep 20 20:56
schestowitzPatentsSep 20 20:56
ThistleWebit trains them to think on their feet, to slip in inferences here and there, to chain claims together in the hopes that only some will be rebuffed, and others will slip passedSep 20 20:56
ThistleWebI wonder if Tim is leaving himself vulnerable by hosting on wordpressSep 20 20:57
Chips_B_Malroyan opposing opinion in the comments is one thing, but filth, conduct that offends your readship and its message, and threats, namecalling, should not be allowed and moderated, perhaps banned.Sep 20 20:57
ThistleWebthey can and do delete blogs for various reasonsSep 20 20:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Not a good day for Micro☭oft over here... many installations of Windows are dying, devoured by penguins.Sep 20 20:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bkuhn 2 GPL violator:"Taken by byte count,this candidate C&CS release has more binary code violating GPL than it does compliant sources"Sep 20 20:57
ThistleWebusually it's for spam, porn etc but if they get a load of complaints about "slander" etc who knowsSep 20 20:58
Chips_B_MalroyI am not for censorship either, but some responcible moderation is needed, otherwise the MS Shills will game the system.Sep 20 20:58
ThistleWeband they never give warnings either, they just delete itSep 20 20:58
ThistleWebwhat could a MS apologist do if he / she got into a moderation type role at wordpress?Sep 20 20:59
Chips_B_MalroyThey tried the same thing here on Roy's site when the message became too much to avoidSep 20 20:59
ThistleWebexposing MS's crimes? that's slander....DELETESep 20 20:59
ThistleWebthey are known to go to peoples employersSep 20 20:59
MinceR"time to get erased!"Sep 20 20:59
ThistleWebor complain to the ISPs hosting sitesSep 20 21:00
ThistleWebwordpress seems like a risky place to host onSep 20 21:00
Chips_B_MalroyI still read Tim's articles, he writes some carefully thought out ones.  But I do not post there often anymore because of the shills/trolls now there.Sep 20 21:01
schestowitz[20:59] <ThistleWeb> they are known to go to peoples employersSep 20 21:01
schestowitzThat's why I separate my personal life from online life for yearsSep 20 21:02
schestowitzTim tries this tooSep 20 21:02
schestowitzBut he mentioned his kidsSep 20 21:02
schestowitzAnd now the trolls curse his wife and his kidSep 20 21:02
ThistleWebI still find it odd that he hosts on wordpressSep 20 21:02
schestowitzBy the way, she uses Linux. They all do.Sep 20 21:02
schestowitzit's good hostingSep 20 21:02
Chips_B_MalroyThey will destroy his site I fear, hope I am wrong.Sep 20 21:03
ThistleWebit is, but it's vulnerable to an arbitrary deletionSep 20 21:03
schestowitzdaemontroll's wordpress blog is nukedSep 20 21:03
ThistleWeband it is deletion, not just blockedSep 20 21:03
schestowitzhe deleted itSep 20 21:03
ThistleWebif you didnt back up, tough, it's non-recoverableSep 20 21:03
ThistleWebit's not like you can appeal, state your case and they say "fine, reverse it"Sep 20 21:04
ThistleWeball they can do is say "rejoin, and start againSep 20 21:04
schestowitzGoogle cache..Sep 20 21:04
schestowitzMay expire thoughSep 20 21:04
ThistleWebit's a more vulnerable position than your own hostSep 20 21:04
schestowitzwp won't delete maliciouslySep 20 21:05
schestowitzAnd without warningsSep 20 21:05
ThistleWebthey dont warnSep 20 21:05
schestowitzUnless it's music hostingSep 20 21:05
ThistleWebbut yeah they do have rulesSep 20 21:05
schestowitzLike brazen copyright violationsSep 20 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Tonight's CC salon will be streaming live at 7pm PDT! Tune in for panel on participatory culture in museums + beyond http://bit.ly/bPl7bGSep 20 21:06
ThistleWebit's down to the discretion of who looks at the complaintSep 20 21:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] 3-million-year-old whale fossil unearthed in California http://ur1.ca/1pehdSep 20 21:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Creative Commons Salon on USTREAM: Creative Commons Salons in San Francisco bring together people in the Bay Area interested in 21st century themes of arts... .::. Size~: 46.36 KBSep 20 21:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 3-million-year-old whale fossil unearthed in CA - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 26.85 KBSep 20 21:06
ThistleWebit's the same with any third party hosting, like blogspotSep 20 21:07
schestowitzhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/iron-man-using-kde/Sep 20 21:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Iron Man using KDE?! .::. Size~: 53.25 KBSep 20 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Poll: Do you think bloggers are journalists? Vote at: http://bit.ly/aZiFaQ #media #blogs #tabloidsSep 20 21:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Poll: Are bloggers journalists? | opensource.com .::. Size~: 35.93 KBSep 20 21:11
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.informationweek.com/news/government/mobile/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=227500203&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_NewsSep 20 21:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Halo Reach Hit With Disc Errors -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 79.44 KBSep 20 21:12
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft has confirmed that some customers are experiencing glitches when they attempt to play Halo Reach on certain Xbox 360 models."Sep 20 21:12
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.onlykent.com/20100920/halo-reach-news-glitches-hit-some-users-are-you-one-of-them/Sep 20 21:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Halo: Reach news  Glitches hit some users: Are you one of them? .::. Size~: 30.13 KBSep 20 21:13
Chips_B_Malroy"A report from Paul McDougall today over on Information Week says that Microsoft has confirmed receiving complaints of glitches with Halo: Reach. Apparently the problem seems mainly to affect users on the 20GB Xbox 360 Pro, sold between 2005 and 2008 although there have also been some problems for users of the 120GB Xbox 360 Elite."Sep 20 21:13
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.411mania.com/games/news/153273/4GB-Xbox-360-Slims-Having-Problem-with-Halo:-Reach.htmSep 20 21:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 411mania.com: Games - 4GB Xbox 360 Slims Having Problem with Halo: Reach .::. Size~: 35.71 KBSep 20 21:14
Chips_B_Malroy"According to numerous players, the 4GB of internal memory the system has is read by the game as a memory unit and not an HDD. Because of this, the game keeps popping up a "hard drive is required" message to these gamers as they try to go into online co-op."Sep 20 21:14
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-business/the-ipad-is-not-a-cannibal-pcs-have-a-bigger-problem/5582Sep 20 21:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The iPad Is Not a Cannibal. PCs Have a Bigger Problem | BNET  .::. Size~: 85.96 KBSep 20 21:15
schestowitzThis blog is also being astroturfedSep 20 21:19
schestowitzhttp://pogson.6k.ca/2010/09/19/k-mart-and-augen-still-kicking-up-dust/Sep 20 21:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Kmart  and Augen Still Kicking Up Dust at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 37.22 KBSep 20 21:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Talk Like A Pirate Day marred by DDoS Attacks http://ur1.ca/1petp !billC32 !ACTA !copyright !freesoftware #pirateparty #DieBeautySep 20 21:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Talk Like A Pirate Day marred by DDoS Attacks « Stop Usage Based Billing .::. Size~: 51.6 KBSep 20 21:19
schestowitzBy the same trolls who attack other Linux foraSep 20 21:19
schestowitzwhat is "journalists"?Sep 20 21:19
schestowitzPeople who write a journal/Sep 20 21:20
schestowitzType...Sep 20 21:20
Chips_B_Malroythey have to be moderated to some extentSep 20 21:20
schestowitzWhateverSep 20 21:20
schestowitzPaid writerSep 20 21:20
schestowitzYes, the scratches in Halo I was gonna post aboutSep 20 21:20
Chips_B_Malroyso you seen thatSep 20 21:20
Chips_B_Malroynot all the problem seems to be scratchesSep 20 21:21
Chips_B_Malroyseems to have effected more than just one model of xbox360 as wellSep 20 21:22
ThistleWebyep, a journalist is someone who writes a journal, ie, their opinions on some issue of the day, either genuine, or paid opinionsSep 20 21:22
ThistleWeba reporter is someone who reportsSep 20 21:22
Chips_B_Malroywasn't this suppose to be the xbox360 killer game?  if you can get it to play that is.Sep 20 21:22
ThistleWebit was made to kill xbox's?Sep 20 21:23
Chips_B_Malroygood questionSep 20 21:24
ThistleWeblol, I just had a vision of Life Of Brian crowd at the stoning "are there any women here?" as they all wear fake beards, as a representation of MS shills in Linux communitiesSep 20 21:25
schestowitzFloyd?Sep 20 21:26
schestowitzgnufreex hate FLoydSep 20 21:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Who would win in a struggle between all the Mac OS X cats and all the !Ubuntu animals? http://goo.gl/qBPYSep 20 21:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: From the Treetops - Who would win in a struggle between all the Mac OS X cats and all the Linux animals? .::. Size~: 17.39 KBSep 20 21:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD @ensl: Atenção pessoal, termina hoje o prazo para submissão de palestras para o IV ENSL ! http://miud.in/cpISep 20 21:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Submissão de palestras | IV Encontro Nordestino de Software Livre .::. Size~: 14.82 KBSep 20 21:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] hmm wait until the US lobbyists hear about this http://bit.ly/cKRO49Sep 20 21:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Medical ghostwriting an epidemic http://ur1.ca/1pf44Sep 20 21:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Technology Story | Europe Proposes International Internet Treaty .::. Size~: 130.08 KBSep 20 21:32
Chips_B_Malroywhat a krappy deal:  http://www.everythingwm.com/microsoft-says-no-to-porn-yes-to-farts-for-windows-phone-7/2010/09/20/Sep 20 21:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Says No To Porn, Yes To Farts For Windows Phone 7 .::. Size~: 13.62 KBSep 20 21:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Swiss Linux migration effort a massive fail (H): http://bit.ly/9AeDUfSep 20 21:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Canonical and other Linux distros close kernel holes (H): http://bit.ly/cSq16bSep 20 21:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A crash landing for Linux? - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 37.87 KBSep 20 21:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Canonical and others close kernel holes - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 36.3 KBSep 20 21:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US Senators Propose Bill To Censor Any Sites The Justice Depatement Declares 'Pirate' Sites, Worldwide - http://bit.ly/9qzVN4 staggeringSep 20 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] !US wanting the power to censor any sites worldwide they deem to be pirates; surprise surprise http://bit.ly/cK4TOy !MPAA !RIAASep 20 21:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: US Senators Propose Bill To Censor Any Sites The Justice Depatement Declares 'Pirate' Sites, Worldwide | Techdirt .::. Size~: 35 KBSep 20 21:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: US Senators Propose Bill To Censor Any Sites The Justice Depatement Declares 'Pirate' Sites, Worldwide | Techdirt .::. Size~: 34.58 KBSep 20 21:36
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-business/microsoft-trips-over-its-halo-on-the-way-to-windows-phone-7/5507Sep 20 21:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Trips Over Its Halo on the Way to Windows Phone 7 | BNET  .::. Size~: 92.95 KBSep 20 21:36
schestowitzhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/09/20/comscore-googles-android-surpasses-microsoft-in-us-smartphone/Sep 20 21:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ComScore: Google's Android surpasses Microsoft in US smartphone market share -- Engadget .::. Size~: 67.13 KBSep 20 21:36
Chips_B_Malroy"However, early glitches show how difficult it is to roll out a game to millions and manage online play without problems. It has to make you wonder whether Microsoft can reliably rely on gaming as a strength for Windows Phone 7."Sep 20 21:37
gnufreexRHT aquisiton crap again http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/63840/20100920/ubs-red-hat-netapp-aol-m-a-ibm-dell-oracle-microsoft-debt-yahoo.htmSep 20 21:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: AOL, Red Hat, NetApp possible acquistion targets: UBS | IBTimes .::. Size~: 43.44 KBSep 20 21:39
gnufreexWild speculationSep 20 21:39
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.tomshardware.com/news/firefox-internet-explorer-safari-opera-chrome,11327.htmlSep 20 21:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Boomerang Effect: Firefox 4 is 7x Faster than IE9 .::. Size~: 125.26 KBSep 20 21:40
Chips_B_Malroywasn't Tom's Hardware bought out by MS?Sep 20 21:40
MinceRthey certainly sounded like they were, iircSep 20 21:40
*MinceR stopped paying attention to tom's hardware long agoSep 20 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] +1 for common sense, "sent from Ubuntu" Evolution campaign fails http://bit.ly/casD8dSep 20 21:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: "Sent From Ubuntu" Removed From Evolution In An Update Today [Ubuntu 10.10] ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 65.72 KBSep 20 21:41
ThistleWebnot to be confused with Tom's DinerSep 20 21:41
MinceRor with Tom and JerrySep 20 21:41
ThistleWebor Ben & Jerries for that matterSep 20 21:41
ThistleWeblolSep 20 21:41
Chips_B_MalroyI know you had to seen this one:  http://blogs.forbes.com/velocity/2010/09/20/google-apps-is-making-microsoft-poorer-adding-1-million-users-per-month/Sep 20 21:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Google Apps Is Making Microsoft Poorer, Adding 1 Million Users Per Month - Velocity - Remaking Personal Technology - Forbes .::. Size~: 147.6 KBSep 20 21:43
Chips_B_MalroyI wonder how many users OpenOffice and Abiword add per month?Sep 20 21:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] !lca2011 draft schedule now up! http://cli.gs/lca2011programmeSep 20 21:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Preview Page - http://lca2011.linux.org.au/programme/schedule .::. Size~: 6.43 KBSep 20 21:44
Chips_B_Malroy"This morning, Google announced that over 3 million businesses, with over 30 million employees, are using its enterprise Apps product."Sep 20 21:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft's HPC server harnesses power of idle Windows 7 desktops (Network World) http://bit.ly/buR5BYSep 20 21:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft's HPC server harnesses power of idle Windows 7 desktops .::. Size~: 106.61 KBSep 20 21:46
Chips_B_Malroy"Given that only a small percentage of Apps users actually pay for it, it doesn?t look like Google is going to turn enterprise into a revenue engine any time soon. But the point of Apps isn?t to make money ? it?s to eat away at Microsoft?s cash cow."Sep 20 21:46
Chips_B_MalroyMS death from a thousand cutsSep 20 21:47
Chips_B_MalroyI forget who said that first here, but they were rightSep 20 21:47
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft has already had to make concessions on price to fend off competition from Google, offering consumers a stripped down, ad supported version of Office for free via the web. If Google can keep adding users at this rate while pulling Microsoft?s prices down, Apps is doing its job."Sep 20 21:48
gnufreexNovell and Microsoft are working hard to remove Linux from supercomputing and push Windows instead.Sep 20 21:49
Chips_B_MalroyPlus there is a lot of resistance to newer version of MS Office, there's not really any new features worth paying for, and many users hate the ribbon.Sep 20 21:49
Chips_B_Malroy"<gnufreex> Novell and Microsoft are working hard to remove Linux from supercomputing and push Windows instead."  How is that working these days?  Since Novell is about to be dismembered and MS is in panic mode releasing failure after failure.Sep 20 21:51
gnufreexI was thinking of that when I saw this article  http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/092010-microsoft-hpc-server.html?fsrc=netflash-rssSep 20 21:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft's HPC server harnesses power of idle Windows 7 desktops .::. Size~: 106.61 KBSep 20 21:51
MinceRprobably not at allSep 20 21:51
MinceRcray did sell out though, iircSep 20 21:51
gnufreexCray is with M$ now.Sep 20 21:52
MinceRmoar liek spammers harness power of idle winblows 7 desktops, amirite?Sep 20 21:52
schestowitzNot onlySep 20 21:52
Chips_B_Malroysay it ain't soSep 20 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Being mindful I don't have all the answers, even if I have experience. If I'm doing it wrong, obviously I need a suggestion w/the complaint.Sep 20 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @schestowitz Not a good day for Micro☭oft over here... many installations of Windows are dying, devoured by penguins.Sep 20 21:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @schestowitz I've just shown someone the !KDE desktop I installed this afternoon and he wants it too (so another new !gnu !linux user ...Sep 20 21:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I wonder how many ad agencies run adblocking or skipping software to be more productive? As long as it's YOU who see them, they favour themSep 20 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I don't think "balance" in the media is its problem. Its problem is that most in media merely parrot what supposed authorities say.Sep 20 22:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ozone layer stable, on the way to recovery - http://bit.ly/aefdlg we did it then, let's do it now #climatechange #ozoneSep 20 22:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Worldchanging: Bright Green: Ozone layer stable, on the way to recovery .::. Size~: 46.04 KBSep 20 22:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] "No program that does not alter a computer's [OS] can detect all programs that do" (+plus) http://bit.ly/cdEv87Sep 20 22:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gödel and the limits of logic | plus.maths.org .::. Size~: 42.13 KBSep 20 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Godel: "No program that does not alter a computer's [OS] can detect all programs that do" (+plus) http://bit.ly/cdEv87Sep 20 22:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Librarians Gone Wild: Violating Netflix Terms of Use! http://eff.org/r.3rxSep 20 22:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gödel and the limits of logic | plus.maths.org .::. Size~: 42.13 KBSep 20 22:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Librarians Gone Wild: Violating Netflix Terms of Use! | Fast Company .::. Size~: 33.44 KBSep 20 22:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Time to get Excited! Tell Everyone! The Schedule for our favourite FOSS conference !lca2011 is now available! http://cli.gs/lca2011programmeSep 20 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] INSECT, a new tool for penetration testing (Full Disclosure) http://bit.ly/bNj7QKSep 20 22:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Preview Page - http://lca2011.linux.org.au/programme/schedule .::. Size~: 6.43 KBSep 20 22:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Full Disclosure: New tool for pentesting .::. Size~: 12.39 KBSep 20 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Heard something beautiful lately? Try #TheseUnitedStates. My friend Tom helps them make something gorgeous each day: http://2tu.us/2nspSep 20 22:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: What Lasts | These United States .::. Size~: 44.95 KBSep 20 22:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Installing OpenIndiana in !virtualbox !opensolarisSep 20 22:16
MinceRgnSep 20 22:21
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/tablet_takeover_every_single_would-be_ipad_killer_listed_explainedSep 20 22:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Tablet Takeover: Every Single Would-Be iPad Killer Listed & Explained | Maximum PC .::. Size~: 54.86 KBSep 20 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Do any free video hosting sites allow ogv? Or other FOSS audio & video formats?Sep 20 22:29
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.electronista.com/articles/10/09/20/apple.facing.heavy.orders.moto.making.5.6.phones/Sep 20 22:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple's supplier orders extending out as far as early 2011 | Electronista .::. Size~: 71.63 KBSep 20 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF's Kevin Bankston's "Legal Bootcamp" accepted as #SXSW panel! Announcing Accepted Interactive Panels on September 20 http://eff.org/r.5rySep 20 22:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Announcing Accepted Interactive Panels on September 20 | SXSW.com .::. Size~: 16.47 KBSep 20 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I'm always amazed when a sales person doesn't seem to want to sell you something. I ask: "Please let me buy this." Email goes unanswered.Sep 20 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] DOHS targets environmentalists http://ur1.ca/1pft8Sep 20 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Email and rocking out to Dio.Sep 20 22:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Controlling Interest in Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm; Former Developers Fork Distribution http://bit.ly/cKr3n5 #linux via @webupd8@twitterSep 20 22:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Controlling Interest in Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm; Former Developers Fork Distribution - O'Reilly Broadcast .::. Size~: 48.9 KBSep 20 22:42
Chips_B_Malroycould this also be the future of suse?Sep 20 22:54
Chips_B_Malroyor have too many of it's develpers already gone?Sep 20 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] LinuxPlanet - Reports - 6 Open Source Projects for 802.1X Network Authentication - FreeRADIUS, wpa_supplicant http://ow.ly/2H9imSep 20 22:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Debian !Ubuntu Community Conference – Italy http://ping.fm/chtHqSep 20 22:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @bkuhn yeah, typical underpaid job holders!Sep 20 22:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: DUCC-IT «  Milo Casagrande .::. Size~: 34.81 KBSep 20 22:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bpglobalpr/@bpglobalpr] BPGlobalPR: To be clear, we will always exist to do more great work for BP and other "polluters". That's part of t... http://ping.fm/SrGZoSep 20 22:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bpglobalpr/@bpglobalpr] BPGlobalPR: The well is dead! If you liked the work we did for BP, follow @WorldGlobalPR for more! Big announceme... http://ping.fm/17FbzSep 20 22:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Twitter / BP Public Relations: To be clear, we will alway ... .::. Size~: 12.41 KBSep 20 22:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Twitter / BP Public Relations: The well is dead!  If you  ... .::. Size~: 12.47 KBSep 20 22:59
schestowitzChanServ: maybeSep 20 23:04
schestowitzSome left for Red HatSep 20 23:04
schestowitzThe good onesSep 20 23:04
schestowitzGoogle and Red Hat also took some Mandriva taklentSep 20 23:05
schestowitzThey just move around, away from lesser-successful distrosSep 20 23:05
Chips_B_Malroydon't think Novell was a good fit for SuseSep 20 23:06
gnufreexVMware is even worse.Sep 20 23:06
Chips_B_Malroycould beSep 20 23:06
gnufreexBut I still hope that misterious buyer is someone elseSep 20 23:07
gnufreexNot VMwareSep 20 23:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Best Linux Distro for 3D Performance http://ur1.ca/1pg3x " #Chakra scored the highest (With #PCLinuxOS and #Sabayon in close 2nd, 3rd)."Sep 20 23:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Thoughts on Technology: Best Linux Distro for 3D Performance .::. Size~: 85.55 KBSep 20 23:07
Chips_B_MalroyIf IBM passes up buying Novell, it tells me that IBM does not care about the Unix copyrights, and would rather buy Red Hat than Suse.  If it was to buy one of them.Sep 20 23:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Announcing the Ubuntu Application Review process - get your app in Ubuntu! http://is.gd/fkaL5 #ubuntuSep 20 23:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle:                   Announcing the Ubuntu Application Review Process | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 23.97 KBSep 20 23:09
*WireWulf is now known as CuanSep 20 23:10
gnufreexRed Hat let VMware have: Zimbra, SpringSource, RabbitMQ, Tungsten Graphics, GemStone.Sep 20 23:10
gnufreexThey could intecept at least two of thoseSep 20 23:10
gnufreexZimbra nad Spring source for example.Sep 20 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Totem Arte Plugin 0.9.1 http://ping.fm/WSavXSep 20 23:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is torrential rain the sky DDOSing the plants?Sep 20 23:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Reaching the Heart of the University: Libraries and the Future of OER - http://goo.gl/wEKl #umich #library #openmichiganSep 20 23:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Totem Arte Plugin 0.9.1 «  foreground noise .::. Size~: 15.72 KBSep 20 23:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Reaching the Heart of the University: Libraries and the Future of OER : Deep Blue at the University of Michigan .::. Size~: 12.77 KBSep 20 23:11
CuanI fear dark days with in the foss worldSep 20 23:12
Chips_B_Malroythe dark days are coming, but for MSSep 20 23:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #gwibber I've noticed as of version 2.33.0 the service buttons seems to work a lot faster. Well done !gwibber team. That was important to meSep 20 23:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Google Summer of Code 2010 Debian Report http://ping.fm/o8YVxSep 20 23:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google Summer of Code 2010 Debian Report | Debian-News.net - Your one stop for news about Debian .::. Size~: 20.86 KBSep 20 23:14
Chips_B_Malroythe shell game of hiding loses, moving divisions around that are losing too much money (Kin)  http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-moves-its-embedded-division-into-server-and-tools/7420Sep 20 23:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft moves its Embedded division into ... Server and Tools? | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 103.51 KBSep 20 23:15
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft?s Embedded division ? which makes products like the Windows Embedded Standard and Windows Embedded Compact operating systems ? is now being ?aligned? with the Management and Security Division (MSD) inside of STB."Sep 20 23:16
Cuanto many departmentsSep 20 23:17
CuansighSep 20 23:17
CuanM$ will die a slow laging deathSep 20 23:17
ThistleWebisn't the MS dictionary definition of "embedding" about getting their own employees embedded with other companies or committees to help further the MS agenda? yahoo, vmware, iso styleSep 20 23:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] !Linux needs it's own BSOD to become "ready for the mainstream", gotta meet the standards set by the incumbent after all !sarcasmSep 20 23:17
Cuanand merge with some other computer companySep 20 23:18
ThistleWeba bit like the US military / TV network incestuous relationshipSep 20 23:18
Cuanheh us is fucked up anyway you cut itSep 20 23:19
Cuanbut is it any better then anywhere else?Sep 20 23:19
ThistleWebsome countries need to be more subtleSep 20 23:19
Diablo-D3THIS IS THE COUNTRY OF THE UNITED DIABLO FEDERATIONSep 20 23:20
Diablo-D3OUR COLLECTIVE DICK IS HUGESep 20 23:20
Diablo-D3THAT IS ALLSep 20 23:20
Cuanatleast in linux my ideas are free and my mind is able to wonder infinitly wail irl i go broke due to the latest bunch of taxs on my income on the fed and state levelSep 20 23:20
CuanDiablo-D3: i would agree if i steal had a copy of diablo 2Sep 20 23:21
Cuanthat was an awesome gameSep 20 23:21
Diablo-D3Cuan: my nick is older than blizzard entertainment, co.Sep 20 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !GNOME 2.32.0 Release Candidate (2.31.92) Released! http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2010-September/msg00055.htmlSep 20 23:22
CuanDiablo-D3: how old is blizzard anyway?Sep 20 23:23
Diablo-D3silicon and synapse, what the company was originally called, was late 1991Sep 20 23:24
Cuanas i am sure the name Cuan is older alsoSep 20 23:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Chrome OS Replacing Android on the next galaxy tab? http://ping.fm/fYF5ISep 20 23:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Boomerang Effect: Firefox 4 is 7x Faster than IE9 http://ur1.ca/1pgfa says #MozillaSep 20 23:26
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schestowitzIs it pronounced like juan with a "k"Sep 20 23:27
schestowitz<Cuan> M$ will die a slow laging deathSep 20 23:28
schestowitzYes, first the non-profitable productsSep 20 23:28
schestowitzVine, Encarta, etc.Sep 20 23:28
schestowitzOffice and Windows would have to be last to dueSep 20 23:28
schestowitz*dieSep 20 23:28
schestowitzCore products, on which everything else depends. People never download IE for exampleSep 20 23:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Radio Tray - Online radio streaming player http://ping.fm/3VUUdSep 20 23:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Download 20 Great Linux Books For Free http://ping.fm/N9wopSep 20 23:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Paul Hummer: Ubuntu Lucid, Nvidia, and HDMI Sound http://ping.fm/RM8CySep 20 23:31
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CuanM$ will die then apple or someone will buy them out rape their code and spit out the useless junkSep 20 23:32
schestowitzVMware: Check Under the Novell Hood http://www.itworld.com/open-source/121183/vmware-check-under-novell-hoodSep 20 23:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Sent From Ubuntu" Removed From Evolution In An Update Today [Ubuntu 10.10] http://ur1.ca/1pghg right move...Sep 20 23:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 40 Fascinating Quotes on Technology, Linux and Microsoft http://ping.fm/aQEgrSep 20 23:32
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Cuanand we will hate the next big computer companySep 20 23:33
schestowitzWhat should we call vmware?Sep 20 23:33
schestowitzmsware is a hard sellSep 20 23:33
schestowitzCause people don't know the top 3 execs or so are from MicrosoftSep 20 23:33
Cuani still use qemuSep 20 23:33
schestowitzThey think of 'old vmware' with dianne greene, her hunsband and others who were canned or pushed out by Ballmer and TucciSep 20 23:33
Cuanor on the solaris box (yes i know evil solaris) vboxSep 20 23:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Remembering Alyssa Peterson http://ur1.ca/1pghxSep 20 23:34
Cuanschestowitz: and issues with me useing Qemu ??Sep 20 23:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Yet Another Music Player for Linux: Foobnix | TuxArena http://post.ly/ymxoSep 20 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "sent from" is fine for a mobile device to explain typos etc but not from a regular keyboard . monitor setupSep 20 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Libre Graphics World - News: CADuntu project has been started http://ow.ly/2HaePSep 20 23:36
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gnufreexschestowitz: MSware is goodSep 20 23:38
gnufreexOr maybe malwareSep 20 23:38
CuanvcwareSep 20 23:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS - Rolling on a river http://www.itpro.co.uk/627031/pclinuxos-rolling-on-a-river using it today and installing for othersSep 20 23:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Stable kernel updates http://lwn.net/Articles/406309/rssSep 20 23:39
CuancvwareSep 20 23:39
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gnufreexWCwareSep 20 23:39
Cuanwindows crap ware XDSep 20 23:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Alright got OpenIndiana working with compiz on !virtualbox :DSep 20 23:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Internet privacy conflicts http://ping.fm/UHiG6Sep 20 23:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Amarok 2.3.2 "Moonshine" released http://amarok.kde.org/en/releases/2.3.2 Great music player; use minirok for small footprintSep 20 23:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Boomerang Effect: Firefox 4 is 7x Faster than IE9 - Tom's Hardware Guide http://ping.fm/aTrIaSep 20 23:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Amarok New stuff - 2.3.2 Release, Insider 15 http://ur1.ca/1pgku "Linux Grandma" blogSep 20 23:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Right, back from work....lets see whats been happening...Sep 20 23:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] ARM Chips May Spread Into Everyday Items - NYTimes.com http://ow.ly/2HauUSep 20 23:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Members-Only Speakeasy spots are filling up fast. Respond to your email invite today! Questions: membership@eff.orgSep 20 23:51
Chips_B_Malroywow, seattlepi is tuff on WP7:  http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/221773.aspSep 20 23:51
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schestowitz"Linux Mint, Debian Edition http://ur1.ca/1pgje #Debian for 'pragmatists'?"Sep 20 23:52
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schestowitzHmm... the bot didn't pick it upSep 20 23:52
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft will miss out on all the holiday revenue it would potentially get from Windows Phone 7 on Verizon and Sprint."Sep 20 23:52
schestowitzMobile is not profitable to themSep 20 23:52
schestowitzbtw, I need to catch up with IRCSep 20 23:53
schestowitzI'm doing daily links post ATMSep 20 23:53
schestowitzbrbSep 20 23:53
Chips_B_Malroy"Since announcing Windows Phone 7 in February, Microsoft has said the OS would launch on all four major U.S. carriers. Industry followers were expecting a big rollout for the holiday season, with Windows Phone 7 available to"Sep 20 23:53
schestowitzFar too many distractions today,esp. installsSep 20 23:53
schestowitzMaybe I'll do some posts into the night...Sep 20 23:53
Chips_B_Malroy"Yes, Windows Phone 7 may prove to be the big, new, buzzworthy thing in mobile this holiday season. But the OS is unknown to consumers, and could end up like the Palm Pre -- a big dud from a once-dominant mobile player."Sep 20 23:53
schestowitzYes, Chips_B_Malroy, Microsoft will bribe themSep 20 23:53
schestowitzaka "incentivise"Sep 20 23:54
Chips_B_Malroy""They're going to need every competitive edge they can," IDC analyst Al Hilwa said."Sep 20 23:54
schestowitzSweaty: "this is REALLY important to us. We will PAY you to pretend you're excited"Sep 20 23:54
CuanmehSep 20 23:54
CuanDROIDSep 20 23:54
schestowitz$400ml in marketing or moreSep 20 23:54
Chips_B_Malroy"Unfortunately for Microsoft, they no longer do."Sep 20 23:54
Cuantho i am not a google fanboiSep 20 23:54
schestowitzFan and boy is badSep 20 23:54
schestowitzWe have over 14s hereSep 20 23:55
Chips_B_Malroyand that from a site that is about as much of a MS Shill as possibleSep 20 23:55
schestowitzAnd they don't have pompomsSep 20 23:55
Cuanheh i will stick to my google droidSep 20 23:55
Cuanor moto droid reatherSep 20 23:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Anatomy of a Linux System [img] http://ow.ly/2HaFASep 20 23:56
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Cuana linux based and stable plateform for my mobile useage beat M$ anydaySep 20 23:56
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/51055569#notice-51492129 "Are you sure? I haven't heard him say that."Sep 20 23:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.04 KBSep 20 23:56
schestowitzObama defended the ACTA process several times (himself)Sep 20 23:57
CuanACTA?Sep 20 23:57
schestowitznot BidenSep 20 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Adobe Updates Flash For !Android; AIR Coming October 8th? http://ping.fm/t92DUSep 20 23:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Controlling Interest in !Mandriva Sold To Russian Firm; Former Developers Fork Distribution http://ping.fm/84rgKSep 20 23:59
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