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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Mozilla Seabird: A Community-driven Mobile Phone Concept. I want this, now www.reddit.com/tb/dijfb !openmoko !freerunner | Sep 25 00:01 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatteron/@themadhatteron] Microsoft Death Watch - Confirmation From Dave Newman http://bit.ly/c7IuKp | Sep 25 00:04 | |
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hazzy | From Techrights: "Microsoft Wants to Cut off Air Supply of Anti-virus Business": why? | Sep 25 00:05 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] The Outlaws are back! Just released: Linux Outlaws 166 - Narwhals in Your Head >> http://ur1.ca/1rjvq | Sep 25 00:11 | |
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sebsebseb | Anyone tried Internet Explorer 9 yet? :d | Sep 25 00:11 |
bruce89 | <tumbleweed> | Sep 25 00:12 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Benitez legacy? Turn an almost winning squad into a squad of poor players to get rid of. Is that what !Inter got him to do for them? | Sep 25 00:22 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Firefox 4.0 Removes The Statusbar But Adds A New Add-on Bar; New Stand-Alone Profile Manager On The Way http://ur1.ca/1rk0n (via @webupd8) | Sep 25 00:24 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !FSF and #EFF Challenge Software Patents at the USPTO, Nature (Journal) Wants #EPO to be Like #USPTO http://ur1.ca/1rk2c #swpats | Sep 25 00:29 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @fabsh Since it's Ada Lovelace Day, I want to thank some awesome women: @mairin @lauracowen @mossgarden @czajkowski @bobobex @binaryl ... | Sep 25 00:29 | |
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hazzy | Wow, Mandriva has actually come a long way since I last used it at the end of 2008 | Sep 25 00:48 |
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hazzy | http://www.themobicrunch.com/2010/09/release-date-of-samsung-galaxy-tab-is-delayed | Sep 25 01:02 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Scenes from China - The Big Picture http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/09/scenes_from_china.html#photo38 #china | Sep 25 01:04 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @schestowitz !FSF and #EFF Challenge Software Patents at the USPTO, Nature (Journal) Wants #EPO to be Like #USPTO http://ur1.ca/1rk2 ... | Sep 25 01:04 | |
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cubevector | good article re: Microsoft Death Watch | Sep 25 01:05 |
cubevector | exactly what I've been thinking of late | Sep 25 01:05 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A photo tour of the Mozilla offices in Mountain View, California http://ur1.ca/1rh50 #mozilla #firefox | Sep 25 01:06 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GCHQ spooks top UK !Linux installations http://ur1.ca/1rked Must be spooky to those proprietary OSes | Sep 25 01:12 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @lnxwalt140 I Love America. Do You? http://bit.ly/d4xEgk | Sep 25 01:19 | |
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schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/25397124703 "No one could generalize it one way or the other. Outlook actually does auto-save and probably did before Thunderbird." | Sep 25 01:38 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Grace Hopper Interview (1986) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/09/25/grace-hopper-interview-1986/ via @fontana and @lh | Sep 25 01:39 | |
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schestowitz | [00:11] <sebsebseb> Anyone tried Internet Explorer 9 yet? :d | Sep 25 01:41 |
schestowitz | Is it not VIsta 7 only? | Sep 25 01:41 |
hazzy | Wait until IEs4Linux get ahold of it | Sep 25 01:41 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: not sure | Sep 25 01:42 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: probaby not, but if it is, thats stupid | Sep 25 01:42 |
hazzy | Oh, it is | Sep 25 01:43 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: Its Windows 7 only? | Sep 25 01:43 |
hazzy | I'm looking at the wikipedia page now | Sep 25 01:43 |
hazzy | Yeah | Sep 25 01:43 |
cubevector | pffft | Sep 25 01:43 |
sebsebseb | Won't work in Vista? | Sep 25 01:43 |
schestowitz | Microfot Florian is busty promoting Microsoft now | Sep 25 01:43 |
hazzy | Well Vista SP2 | Sep 25 01:43 |
schestowitz | So blatant | Sep 25 01:43 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: ok so it does work in Vista SP2 ok good :) | Sep 25 01:43 |
hazzy | Yep | Sep 25 01:43 |
sebsebseb | however no version for XP? | Sep 25 01:43 |
hazzy | None | Sep 25 01:43 |
schestowitz | [01:43] <sebsebseb> Won't work in Vista? | Sep 25 01:43 |
schestowitz | WHO works in VIsta? | Sep 25 01:43 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: idiots? | Sep 25 01:44 |
sebsebseb | :D | Sep 25 01:44 |
schestowitz | I guess | Sep 25 01:44 |
cubevector | me no like Vis-Duh | Sep 25 01:44 |
schestowitz | The Wow started back then | Sep 25 01:44 |
schestowitz | The Wow ends now | Sep 25 01:44 |
sebsebseb | The WoW hype realy did fail for them | Sep 25 01:44 |
sebsebseb | so not for XP | Sep 25 01:44 |
schestowitz | SOme people believed it | Sep 25 01:44 |
sebsebseb | well that makes sense really | Sep 25 01:44 |
cubevector | they had their time | Sep 25 01:44 |
sebsebseb | Microsoft are trying to kill off XP now | Sep 25 01:44 |
schestowitz | Vista sold many copies | Sep 25 01:44 |
cubevector | now it's over | Sep 25 01:44 |
schestowitz | Not that people kept VIsta | Sep 25 01:44 |
sebsebseb | XP has decant browsers anyway, Firefox and what not :) | Sep 25 01:45 |
schestowitz | Vista sold a lot more than Vista 7 | Sep 25 01:45 |
cubevector | well I thought windows 2.0 sucked | Sep 25 01:45 |
hazzy | I seriously doubt that people will readily switch to Vista 7 JUST because of IE9 | Sep 25 01:45 |
cubevector | my opinion hasn't changed in 22 years | Sep 25 01:45 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: indeed | Sep 25 01:45 |
schestowitz | 2.2 years? | Sep 25 01:45 |
sebsebseb | well I do have Vista | Sep 25 01:45 |
sebsebseb | so looks like I can try IE 9 then | Sep 25 01:45 |
schestowitz | I have a vision.. | Sep 25 01:46 |
schestowitz | But it has no Microsoft in it | Sep 25 01:46 |
sebsebseb | and it also has Roy Schestowitz as the equviliant of Steve Ballmer, but in a opensource/freesoftware kind of way :D | Sep 25 01:46 |
cubezzz | lots of alternatives to Microsoft now | Sep 25 01:47 |
*sebsebseb oh its great hardly ever running Windows anymore :) | Sep 25 01:47 | |
sebsebseb | feels so good :) | Sep 25 01:47 |
cubezzz | I had tons of issues with various versions of windows | Sep 25 01:47 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po149bYnUO0 | Sep 25 01:47 |
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sebsebseb | also commerical games don't really interest me much | Sep 25 01:47 |
cubezzz | shoved down my throat I might add | Sep 25 01:47 |
sebsebseb | so thats not an issue for me :) | Sep 25 01:47 |
sebsebseb | lateste Click was hypeing up the latest Halo game | Sep 25 01:47 |
cubezzz | I sure didn't want it at any point | Sep 25 01:48 |
sebsebseb | ,but they also had a good thing about Arm | Sep 25 01:48 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Did you see it? | Sep 25 01:48 |
cubezzz | really Unix won | Sep 25 01:48 |
sebsebseb | Arm first, and such, game later | Sep 25 01:48 |
schestowitz | sebsebseb: I don't watch Click | Sep 25 01:48 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: well you have before | Sep 25 01:48 |
schestowitz | Click feels like PC for toddlers | Sep 25 01:48 |
hazzy | What is Click? | Sep 25 01:49 |
sebsebseb | yeah its a show for the average consumer, with some sort of interest in technology | Sep 25 01:49 |
schestowitz | I watched it a few times when I was like 17 | Sep 25 01:49 |
hazzy | (Sorry, I'm American) | Sep 25 01:49 |
cubezzz | the internet shows just how bad television is | Sep 25 01:49 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/click | Sep 25 01:49 |
TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC NEWS | Programmes | Click .::. Size~: 63.86 KB | Sep 25 01:49 |
schestowitz | hazzy: programme about the Microsoft clique | Sep 25 01:49 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: UK technology program | Sep 25 01:49 |
bruce89 | me | Sep 25 01:50 |
schestowitz | Not technology | Sep 25 01:50 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: well soemtimes a bit of Linux in their actsaully in the show being mentioned in speech, or hidden away for those that look carefuly enough | Sep 25 01:50 |
cubezzz | if you watch bits and bytes (80s show about computers) it's quite interesting | Sep 25 01:50 |
sebsebseb | for example they were showing something on the previous episode | Sep 25 01:50 |
bruce89 | I assume they didn't mention Civ 5? | Sep 25 01:50 |
sebsebseb | and I noticed Tux | Sep 25 01:50 |
schestowitz | Technology would be chips and stuff | Sep 25 01:50 |
cubezzz | they make several accurate predictions | Sep 25 01:50 |
hazzy | Thanks btw | Sep 25 01:50 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: you can't just watch it in USA though | Sep 25 01:50 |
schestowitz | Click is about WIndows GUIs and malware and stuff | Sep 25 01:50 |
sebsebseb | as far as I know | Sep 25 01:50 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: and websites and games for the consumer | Sep 25 01:50 |
sebsebseb | they mainly go on about Twitter and mobile phones | Sep 25 01:51 |
hazzy | Oh, hey, looks like I can't | Sep 25 01:51 |
schestowitz | Windows games | Sep 25 01:51 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: they do have global viewers though | Sep 25 01:51 |
schestowitz | Not even PS AFAIK | Sep 25 01:51 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: so I guess depends on how your country is when it comes to BBC or something | Sep 25 01:51 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: I mean I know for example there is BBC America, but I guess they don't show Click | Sep 25 01:51 |
cubezzz | some media is country specific | Sep 25 01:51 |
schestowitz | US might have BBC WOrld | Sep 25 01:51 |
hazzy | Oh, right | Sep 25 01:51 |
cubezzz | only works in that country | Sep 25 01:51 |
hazzy | Yeah | Sep 25 01:51 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: no they got BBC America | Sep 25 01:51 |
schestowitz | I know | Sep 25 01:51 |
schestowitz | That's new | Sep 25 01:52 |
hazzy | I do have BBC on my television, but I doubt I get Click | Sep 25 01:52 |
schestowitz | GOod for you | Sep 25 01:52 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: not that new then, since when I went to Florida in August 2008, yep BBC America | Sep 25 01:52 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: BBC One? or? | Sep 25 01:52 |
schestowitz | Think Pirillo for dummies | Sep 25 01:52 |
cubezzz | no one watches CBC I take it? :) | Sep 25 01:52 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: I guess not | Sep 25 01:52 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: BBC America? | Sep 25 01:52 |
hazzy | Yea | Sep 25 01:52 |
*sebsebseb wonders how Ubuntu is treating hazzy | Sep 25 01:52 | |
schestowitz | British... America | Sep 25 01:53 |
schestowitz | It doesn't sound right | Sep 25 01:53 |
hazzy | Nono, I switched today to Mandriva | Sep 25 01:53 |
schestowitz | AL Jazeera USA | Sep 25 01:53 |
schestowitz | Spiegel Iran | Sep 25 01:53 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: oh | Sep 25 01:53 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: well on the 30th September or 1st Oct, well depends when this RC actsaully gets released | Sep 25 01:53 |
sebsebseb | I am still planning on putting Ubuntu 10.10 on | Sep 25 01:53 |
sebsebseb | so I can try the new netbook interface on my desktop | Sep 25 01:53 |
hazzy | Nah, I don't think I will until the next LTS | Sep 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | 10 seconds past 10:10? | Sep 25 01:54 |
sebsebseb | and yeah i'll use the sound menu with my music | Sep 25 01:54 |
sebsebseb | I am obviously going to find Ubuntu 10.10 pretty sucky | Sep 25 01:54 |
sebsebseb | ,but | Sep 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | 010101010101010101001101 omg! binary codez! | Sep 25 01:54 |
hazzy | I'm getting settled into Mandriva, very nice | Sep 25 01:54 |
sebsebseb | done every release since second release since second release in 2005 on real hardware, so why not 10.10 as well? | Sep 25 01:54 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: a lot of the packages are old though | Sep 25 01:54 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: still Sun Open Office and Virtualbox for example | Sep 25 01:54 |
schestowitz | OOOO | Sep 25 01:55 |
cubezzz | my advice is try a bunch of different distros | Sep 25 01:55 |
schestowitz | No SUn | Sep 25 01:55 |
cubezzz | not just one | Sep 25 01:55 |
sebsebseb | altough there are 3rd party repos or were, to get later packages | Sep 25 01:55 |
sebsebseb | cubezzz: yep thats what I been doing :) | Sep 25 01:55 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: I am bored of 2010.1 really now, well not really bored, but boredish | Sep 25 01:55 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: it didn't change that much since 2010.0 | Sep 25 01:56 |
hazzy | I didn't use 2010.0 | Sep 25 01:56 |
sebsebseb | no Mandriva untill next year by the way | Sep 25 01:56 |
sebsebseb | they also won't be doing Gnome anymore hazzy | Sep 25 01:56 |
sebsebseb | unless the community do | Sep 25 01:56 |
hazzy | Ah, that's ok, then | Sep 25 01:56 |
bruce89 | Rygel now works, nice | Sep 25 01:56 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: however yeah this Mageia :) | Sep 25 01:56 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: Whats that? | Sep 25 01:56 |
hazzy | I was kinda regretting using Gnome anyway tbh | Sep 25 01:56 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: Why? | Sep 25 01:56 |
bruce89 | DLNA server | Sep 25 01:57 |
schestowitz | [01:03] <TechrightsBot-tr> Title: Release Date Of Samsung Galaxy Tab Is Delayed | MobiCrunch .::. Size~: 30.49 KB | Sep 25 01:57 |
schestowitz | It's ballnux | Sep 25 01:57 |
hazzy | I think it comes with Mono | Sep 25 01:57 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: thats up the distro if they put Mono in it or not | Sep 25 01:57 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: Gnome itself does not come with Mono as far as I know | Sep 25 01:57 |
sebsebseb | up to the distro, above | Sep 25 01:58 |
hazzy | Well | Sep 25 01:58 |
hazzy | Not only that | Sep 25 01:58 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: anyway I will do the RC, put that on, since it will be stable enough | Sep 25 01:58 |
hazzy | I'm kinda getting tired of GNOME for a while | Sep 25 01:58 |
sebsebseb | and then I can get used to it a bit, before loads of the noobs do Ubuntu | Sep 25 01:58 |
sebsebseb | and fan boys | Sep 25 01:58 |
cubezzz | I wish I could save tabs in konsole | Sep 25 01:58 |
cubezzz | I might just add that :) | Sep 25 01:58 |
sebsebseb | I mean before they do 10.10. and yeah I guess i'll do a bit of support in the big channel for Ubuntu, when 10.10 comes out, whilst waiting for Mageia :) | Sep 25 01:58 |
hazzy | Yes | Sep 25 01:59 |
hazzy | Well | Sep 25 01:59 |
hazzy | I'm not really confident in my abilities as far as support goes | Sep 25 01:59 |
sebsebseb | and theres Ubuntu Open Week straight after the 10.10 release day, and thats fun :) | Sep 25 01:59 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Happy Ada Lovelace Day | Sep 25 01:59 | |
*sebsebseb already thought of two questions that will ask Lord Mark Shuttleworth | Sep 25 02:00 | |
sebsebseb | bruce89: yeah he is a Lord now not a Sir anymore :D | Sep 25 02:00 |
hazzy | Not if I ask them first :) | Sep 25 02:00 |
cubevector | Lord Mono? :-/ | Sep 25 02:00 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: not if you ask them first? | Sep 25 02:00 |
sebsebseb | cubevector: nah I was trying to make a joke there | Sep 25 02:01 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Steve Jobs solved the problem with suicides in FoxConn ur1.ca/1rkqh | Sep 25 02:01 | |
sebsebseb | basically all the realy rich people and such here | Sep 25 02:01 |
sebsebseb | or most of them, get called Sir, but some will be called Lord | Sep 25 02:01 |
bruce89 | I don't think Mark is a Peer | Sep 25 02:01 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: a Peer ? | Sep 25 02:01 |
bruce89 | I'm not sure if South Africans can be peers | Sep 25 02:01 |
sebsebseb | what is a pper? | Sep 25 02:02 |
sebsebseb | peer | Sep 25 02:02 |
bruce89 | a lord | Sep 25 02:02 |
sebsebseb | oh | Sep 25 02:02 |
bruce89 | it's nothing to do with wealth | Sep 25 02:02 |
sebsebseb | well anyway we got Lord Alan Sugar, Sir Richard Branson and I guess Sir Rupert Murdoch | Sep 25 02:02 |
bruce89 | those are totally different | Sep 25 02:02 |
hazzy | Huh? I thought a peer was...your social equal? | Sep 25 02:02 |
*cubevector is now known as baroncube | Sep 25 02:02 | |
sebsebseb | bruce89: oh? | Sep 25 02:02 |
bruce89 | that too, our house of lords has peers | Sep 25 02:02 |
baroncube | I'm getting into the act :) | Sep 25 02:02 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: so did I | Sep 25 02:02 |
bruce89 | Sirs are knights | Sep 25 02:03 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: yeah queen something | Sep 25 02:03 |
sebsebseb | ? | Sep 25 02:03 |
bruce89 | they are just people the government decides to honour | Sep 25 02:03 |
sebsebseb | oh | Sep 25 02:04 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] It's really hard to go back to Firefox 3.6.x after using Firefox 4 beta 6 | Sep 25 02:04 | |
*baroncube is now known as cubevector | Sep 25 02:04 | |
hazzy | Earlier I was actually somewhat tempted to put Arch on here again | Sep 25 02:04 |
bruce89 | mind you, same goes for lords too | Sep 25 02:04 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: Mandriva is quite nice though aye? | Sep 25 02:04 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: this distro is on the verge of dieing though, Russians own Mandriva now | Sep 25 02:05 |
hazzy | Yes, absolutely | Sep 25 02:05 |
bruce89 | aye? | Sep 25 02:05 |
hazzy | Oh, really? | Sep 25 02:05 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: and if you like Mandriva, your bound to like the fork as well :) | Sep 25 02:05 |
hazzy | Yep, I am | Sep 25 02:05 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: so which version did you put on? | Sep 25 02:05 |
hazzy | 2010.1 | Sep 25 02:05 |
sebsebseb | yes, but | Sep 25 02:05 |
hazzy | Oh | Sep 25 02:05 |
sebsebseb | there are three versions | Sep 25 02:05 |
hazzy | It was uh | Sep 25 02:05 |
sebsebseb | Free or One | Sep 25 02:05 |
sebsebseb | I expect | Sep 25 02:05 |
hazzy | Free | Sep 25 02:06 |
sebsebseb | since Powerpack is paid for | Sep 25 02:06 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: no MP3 support for example by default then, or mabye free has it as well | Sep 25 02:06 |
sebsebseb | One and Free not that much different, differnet branding though | Sep 25 02:06 |
hazzy | I don't use MP3s anyway | Sep 25 02:06 |
cubevector | no one likes vector? | Sep 25 02:06 |
sebsebseb | ,but yep not that much difference, the Mandriva One branding is so :) | Sep 25 02:06 |
sebsebseb | cubevector: I do kind of I mean | Sep 25 02:06 |
bruce89 | good lord, are you a salesman? | Sep 25 02:06 |
sebsebseb | cubevector: I vm'd VectorLinux 2007 Live CD I think it was 2007 | Sep 25 02:07 |
sebsebseb | from ISO and it was like wow, great graphics and so on | Sep 25 02:07 |
sebsebseb | cubevector: then I also tried a later one in vm or tried to or actsaully from a CD/DVD. and I think I even tried to install maybe, but some issue | Sep 25 02:07 |
sebsebseb | I don't remember exactly, but yep Vector is pretty nice | Sep 25 02:07 |
sebsebseb | it seems | Sep 25 02:08 |
sebsebseb | cubevector: altough if still got to pay for a CD or install Open Office yourself, thats a bit silly really | Sep 25 02:08 |
cubevector | I use Vector classic | Sep 25 02:08 |
cubevector | it's free | Sep 25 02:08 |
cubevector | I could have run 3.5.10 with a 2.4 kernel though | Sep 25 02:09 |
sebsebseb | cubevector: oh they still got KDE 3? | Sep 25 02:10 |
cubevector | yup | Sep 25 02:10 |
sebsebseb | ok nice :) | Sep 25 02:10 |
cubevector | and I also run kde4 programs on it | Sep 25 02:10 |
sebsebseb | KDE 3 had some great backgrounds by default for example, KDE 4 doesn't seem to, and no thats not the main reason why personally I would prefer KDE 3 to KDE 4 | Sep 25 02:10 |
sebsebseb | cubevector: yeah can have both type installed | Sep 25 02:11 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @gnufreex re your earlier message from IRC, feeding trolls is not worth joining any network for | Sep 25 02:11 | |
cubevector | sebsebseb, it's faster too | Sep 25 02:11 |
sebsebseb | if a distro is set up to | Sep 25 02:11 |
cubevector | the kde4 guys don't test on old hardware | Sep 25 02:11 |
cubevector | or at least, it seems they don't | Sep 25 02:11 |
bruce89 | oh come on, you moan about GDM because you can no longer theme it (which is not true) | Sep 25 02:11 |
sebsebseb | KDE 4 is all uh to customize rather geek | Sep 25 02:11 |
sebsebseb | KDE 3 wasn't as bad | Sep 25 02:11 |
sebsebseb | for that | Sep 25 02:11 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: whatever you GNOMER :D | Sep 25 02:12 |
cubevector | honestly, I've used a lot of DE's and KDE 3.5.10 is my fav | Sep 25 02:12 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: you can't use the old tehems, with the newer GDM | Sep 25 02:12 |
hazzy | I did think that Mandriva looked satisfactory out of the box | Sep 25 02:13 |
sebsebseb | cubevector: Gnome 2 used to be my fav | Sep 25 02:13 |
bruce89 | please don't insult me | Sep 25 02:13 |
sebsebseb | cubevector: Gnome Shell preview is my fav now, however thats just really a window manager at the moment, on top of Gnome 2 | Sep 25 02:13 |
cubevector | anyone try icewm? Great on very old hardware | Sep 25 02:13 |
hazzy | I should try Gnome shell right now | Sep 25 02:13 |
bruce89 | sebsebseb: the programs will be no different in 3 you know | Sep 25 02:14 |
sebsebseb | yes I think I have tried icevm briefly in vm's before, and maybe/probably in Ubuntu | Sep 25 02:14 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: indeed | Sep 25 02:14 |
bruce89 | well, apart from the fact they'll link against fewer libraries and GTK+ 3.0 versions of them | Sep 25 02:14 |
hazzy | cubevector: When I was a noob, I used IceWM to make it look like Windows | Sep 25 02:14 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: not the very latest version, but | Sep 25 02:14 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: not that old really either, and its in the repo for Mandriva :) | Sep 25 02:14 |
cubevector | I found icewm very succinct | Sep 25 02:15 |
sebsebseb | not sure which Gnome Shell Ubuntu 10.10 has or will have | Sep 25 02:15 |
sebsebseb | ,but I guess it will be later than the one Mandriva 2010.1 has in its repo | Sep 25 02:15 |
bruce89 | 2.31.something | Sep 25 02:15 |
bruce89 | something anchient | Sep 25 02:15 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: 2.31 Gnome 3 preview is ancient? | Sep 25 02:15 |
sebsebseb | if thats so, than the 2.29 that Mandriva 2010.1 has is rather well anicent | Sep 25 02:15 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: any idea if the next Gnome 3 preview is out by the way, or out properly, and same thing for Gnome 2.30.2 ? I mean its September | Sep 25 02:16 |
sebsebseb | and nearly the end of it | Sep 25 02:16 |
bruce89 | apparently it links to GTK+ 2.0 on Ubuntu, so it must be old | Sep 25 02:16 |
sebsebseb | the Gnome Shell preview you mean? | Sep 25 02:16 |
bruce89 | aha, they patched it out | Sep 25 02:17 |
hazzy | sebsebseb: Downloading now :) | Sep 25 02:17 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: so you installed the KDE version of Mandriva? | Sep 25 02:17 |
hazzy | No | Sep 25 02:17 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: well free lets you install | Sep 25 02:17 |
sebsebseb | KDE and Gnome from the DVD :) | Sep 25 02:18 |
*cubevector wonders if distrowatch ever looks at AROS or Haiku | Sep 25 02:18 | |
bruce89 | wow, having to pay to install stuff | Sep 25 02:18 |
hazzy | Oh, hey, you're right | Sep 25 02:18 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: what that you only installed KDE? | Sep 25 02:18 |
hazzy | No, that I can install both | Sep 25 02:18 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: with which distro? | Sep 25 02:18 |
hazzy | (It's free as in speech, not price, bruce89) | Sep 25 02:18 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: Free is the free software only version of Mandriva | Sep 25 02:19 |
bruce89 | it was just what sebsebseb said | Sep 25 02:19 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: Mandriva One is nearly the same thing | Sep 25 02:19 |
sebsebseb | Powerpack is paid for | Sep 25 02:19 |
bruce89 | "well free lets you install" | Sep 25 02:19 |
sebsebseb | and Mandriva is on the verge of dieing now | Sep 25 02:19 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: as for shut down on top right in Ubuntu, I won't really care that much when 10.10 is out | Sep 25 02:20 |
sebsebseb | for two reasons | Sep 25 02:20 |
*bruce89 sighs | Sep 25 02:20 | |
bruce89 | because you've read something on omgubuntu? | Sep 25 02:20 |
sebsebseb | 1. the icon stuff | Sep 25 02:20 |
sebsebseb | acstauly its three versions | Sep 25 02:20 |
sebsebseb | 2. how many times would the average user be using system menu in 10.10 anyway? not much thats how | Sep 25 02:21 |
sebsebseb | 3. Gnome 3 is having it on the top right, so may as well have people being used to shutting down on the top right in 10.10 | Sep 25 02:21 |
bruce89 | you make no sense as usual | Sep 25 02:21 |
sebsebseb | also Gnome 3 was meant to be out already realy | Sep 25 02:21 |
bruce89 | we all know that Ubuntu will not use gnome-shell | Sep 25 02:22 |
sebsebseb | not having an auto shut down feature, may annoy me a bit, but I will not be using Ubuntu 10.10 for that long | Sep 25 02:22 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: oh they will I think | Sep 25 02:22 |
sebsebseb | for the desktop version | Sep 25 02:22 |
hazzy | http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/mozilla-seabird-phone-is-full-of-good-ideas-20100924/ | Sep 25 02:22 |
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bruce89 | no, it'd be impossible to move their patches across | Sep 25 02:22 |
sebsebseb | will it be 11.04 though thats the thing, we got to wait, for after UDS to find out for sure | Sep 25 02:22 |
sebsebseb | or that UDS week | Sep 25 02:22 |
sebsebseb | ,but I think thats the week I am away so when I get back for UDS stuff I guess | Sep 25 02:23 |
bruce89 | look, the point is not what they do, but the fact they don't bother to even attempt to push things upstream | Sep 25 02:23 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: they can start patching Gnome 3 for their patches? | Sep 25 02:23 |
sebsebseb | they have | Sep 25 02:23 |
sebsebseb | with their Gnome patches | Sep 25 02:23 |
sebsebseb | upstream didn't want them though | Sep 25 02:23 |
bruce89 | that's complete shit | Sep 25 02:24 |
bruce89 | not one bit of discussion upstream whatsoever | Sep 25 02:24 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well so start supporting Mageia or something | Sep 25 02:24 |
sebsebseb | you know a distro that may actsaully have a chance | Sep 25 02:24 |
sebsebseb | at giving Ubuntu some proper competiton, and no Fedora is so not that | Sep 25 02:24 |
bruce89 | that also is crap | Sep 25 02:24 |
cubevector | you all know dexOS is the faster of all OSes? :) | Sep 25 02:24 |
sebsebseb | Fedora isn't made to be quite noob friendly | Sep 25 02:25 |
hazzy | sebsebseb: You're right, gnome shell is amazing | Sep 25 02:25 |
cubevector | or so they say | Sep 25 02:25 |
bruce89 | I use Fedora because I want to, I don't give a damn what others do | Sep 25 02:25 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: on it now? | Sep 25 02:25 |
hazzy | sebsebseb: Yeah | Sep 25 02:25 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: this is a slghtly older one in Mandriva as I was saying, it lacks certain features, but yep its pretty nice :) | Sep 25 02:25 |
bruce89 | sebsebseb: how did this sudden change of heart come about? | Sep 25 02:25 |
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cubevector | Fedora is fine, I've used it a lot | Sep 25 02:26 |
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sebsebseb | bruce89: when it comes to what? | Sep 25 02:26 |
sebsebseb | cubevector: right, but | Sep 25 02:26 |
sebsebseb | I am talking about for the Ubuntu target audiance | Sep 25 02:26 |
sebsebseb | Fedora isn't really for them | Sep 25 02:26 |
bruce89 | just as well | Sep 25 02:26 |
sebsebseb | you know average computer users, who don't really watn to learn computers properly | Sep 25 02:26 |
sebsebseb | and want to do loads of stuff graphically | Sep 25 02:26 |
bruce89 | err, Fedora is graphical | Sep 25 02:26 |
sebsebseb | no control centre | Sep 25 02:26 |
sebsebseb | like Mandriva, PC Linux OS, and I assume Unity Linux as well, have | Sep 25 02:27 |
bruce89 | sebsebseb: I mean your sudden stance on Ubuntu being goo | Sep 25 02:27 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: no Ubuntu isn't good | Sep 25 02:27 |
bruce89 | Ubuntu patches I mean | Sep 25 02:27 |
sebsebseb | ,but | Sep 25 02:27 |
sebsebseb | they have improved 10.10 a little bit here and there compared to 10.04, its not as bad | Sep 25 02:27 |
bruce89 | disunity is an improvement? | Sep 25 02:27 |
sebsebseb | I haven't used Unity properly yet, so I can't really comment much for that one yet | Sep 25 02:27 |
sebsebseb | ,but I mean the desktop version mainly | Sep 25 02:28 |
sebsebseb | Unity is realy just well their patches | Sep 25 02:28 |
sebsebseb | from what I have seen on web | Sep 25 02:28 |
bruce89 | I believe you have been got at | Sep 25 02:28 |
sebsebseb | I think that they should have made the desktop version quite a lot better | Sep 25 02:28 |
sebsebseb | instead of t argetting netbooks | Sep 25 02:28 |
bruce89 | I'll give it a week, and you'll say Mageia is crap | Sep 25 02:28 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: I doubt it | Sep 25 02:28 |
bruce89 | maybe a month | Sep 25 02:28 |
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sebsebseb | I have a feeling they will target KDE and make a great KDE first version, but probably a not quite as good Gnome version | Sep 25 02:29 |
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sebsebseb | as a first version I mean | Sep 25 02:29 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: however its a community distro, I can contact people the correct people, and :) | Sep 25 02:30 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: as for Ubuntu's Gnome 2 patches and Unity | Sep 25 02:30 |
sebsebseb | uhmm I guess it won't matter that much anymore, when Gnome 3 comes out :) | Sep 25 02:30 |
bruce89 | that makes yet less sense | Sep 25 02:31 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: the patch that moves shut down on the top right, prepares people for Gnome 3 | Sep 25 02:31 |
sebsebseb | the shut down patch is stupid, but makes it more user friendly for newbise | Sep 25 02:31 |
bruce89 | and are people that stupid that they need prepared? | Sep 25 02:31 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well maybe Canonical think so? hence why they started doing that with 9.04? | Sep 25 02:32 |
bruce89 | because they wanted to fork the FOSS platform for some reason | Sep 25 02:33 |
bruce89 | to clone OS X or something | Sep 25 02:33 |
sebsebseb | and yep thats what Ubuntu is about since 10.04 really | Sep 25 02:33 |
sebsebseb | trying to compete with the Mac OS X interface | Sep 25 02:33 |
bruce89 | s/compete/clone | Sep 25 02:33 |
sebsebseb | well if you think about it and I have before | Sep 25 02:34 |
sebsebseb | they can compete with Mac OS X like that, and it will be seen as ok by most of their users | Sep 25 02:34 |
bruce89 | some of the ideas are technically good, but the implementation is unilateral, where it should be multilateral | Sep 25 02:34 |
sebsebseb | ,but if they started trying to make things more like the Windows user interface, well that would not be seen as ok by many of them | Sep 25 02:34 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well yes some of the ideas are ok, but how they are implemented is the problem, and I mean into the distro itself, removing features that should be there really, for example the auto shut down | Sep 25 02:35 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: and you probably mainly mean working with upstream | Sep 25 02:35 |
sebsebseb | and there is that as well, but I guess Gnome 3 will change things :) | Sep 25 02:35 |
bruce89 | there's nothing wrong with removing that, but the fact they didn't ask or consult upstream | Sep 25 02:35 |
sebsebseb | Gnome 2 will be seen as old, and that includes Gnome 2 with the Ubuntu Gnome patches | Sep 25 02:35 |
bruce89 | they just do whatever Mark's newest whim is really, sod upstream | Sep 25 02:35 |
sebsebseb | and now no windicators either, which was basically a broken promise | Sep 25 02:36 |
sebsebseb | that he shouldn't have really made in the first place, if he knew he might not have been able to implement it for 10.10 | Sep 25 02:36 |
bruce89 | crazy idea anyway | Sep 25 02:36 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: thats something else by the way, when I put 10.10 on for a bit, I will put the buttons on the right I think | Sep 25 02:36 |
bruce89 | mind you, that hasn't stopped them in the past | Sep 25 02:37 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: also the buttons on the left, has something to do with Unity apparently | Sep 25 02:37 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: going by Jono Bacon's latest ustream | Sep 25 02:37 |
hazzy | sebsebseb: They wanted them closer to the launchers | Sep 25 02:37 |
bruce89 | which seems to be the opposite of what makes sense | Sep 25 02:38 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: the launchers? in Unity you mean or? | Sep 25 02:38 |
bruce89 | you know, you could accidentally close a window instead of opening something else | Sep 25 02:38 |
hazzy | sebsebseb: Yes, Unity | Sep 25 02:38 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: ok, but why didn't they do this? | Sep 25 02:38 |
sebsebseb | netbook edition on the left | Sep 25 02:38 |
sebsebseb | desktop on the right? | Sep 25 02:38 |
hazzy | sebsebseb: Haha, yeah, they should have | Sep 25 02:39 |
bruce89 | they just do what they like, and justify it later | Sep 25 02:39 |
*sebsebseb thinks the new 10.10 default theme will be ok for the desktop version, with the buttons on the right, in the proper order :) | Sep 25 02:39 | |
sebsebseb | bruce89: seems so | Sep 25 02:39 |
sebsebseb | I agree | Sep 25 02:39 |
bruce89 | buggering about with random UI "niceities" while slowly forking GNOME | Sep 25 02:39 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: I mean they were even thinking about having Chromeium as the netbook edition, and only the netbook edition for 10.10, whilst the desktop version stayed Firefox | Sep 25 02:40 |
sebsebseb | so indeed @ this buttons thing I just typed | Sep 25 02:40 |
hazzy | sebsebseb: I wonder if it's because Chromium is easier on resources? | Sep 25 02:40 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: however | Sep 25 02:40 |
sebsebseb | this doesn't end here | Sep 25 02:40 |
bruce89 | you aren't supposed to agree with things you say yourself | Sep 25 02:40 |
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sebsebseb | bruce89: oh well nevermind | Sep 25 02:41 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: They were even thinking of having Banshee as the default in the netbook edition, whilst the desktop stays Rythombox | Sep 25 02:41 |
hazzy | :? | Sep 25 02:41 |
sebsebseb | and it seems that yes Banshee will probably be the default in 11.04 for the netbook edition | Sep 25 02:41 |
*hazzy has no idea why | Sep 25 02:41 | |
sebsebseb | hazzy: since theres another interface, which is apparently better for netbooks, that it can use | Sep 25 02:42 |
bruce89 | for someone who doesn't like Ubuntu, you don't half go on about it | Sep 25 02:42 |
sebsebseb | ,but apparently Banshee itself doesn't work that well on netbooks at the moment, which is why they decided not to do it | Sep 25 02:42 |
hazzy | Ehh, Banshee? I don't like that | Sep 25 02:42 |
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sebsebseb | bruce89: sometimes I mention it, but useually in a negative type of way these days :) | Sep 25 02:43 |
*sebsebseb wants new users to have a postive first Desktop Linux experience | Sep 25 02:43 | |
sebsebseb | hazzy: and of coure Unity is quite differnet from Gnome with their patches | Sep 25 02:44 |
bruce89 | but then you say that Ubuntu is for "normal users", I just want to know how random UI forks helps | Sep 25 02:44 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well they did that to be user friendly, and most of the current Ubuntu users, I mean those who use the distro for over four months | Sep 25 02:44 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: won't be used to how things were before, and how they are really meant to be | Sep 25 02:45 |
bruce89 | how is breaking things user-friendly? | Sep 25 02:45 |
sebsebseb | so yes these patches for userbility probably helps a lot of them really, or at least, makes the distro seem more user friendly | Sep 25 02:45 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: right, but most of their users don't know that | Sep 25 02:45 |
sebsebseb | they don't know that auto shut down got broke by a patch for example | Sep 25 02:45 |
bruce89 | well, that undermines your point | Sep 25 02:45 |
sebsebseb | let me be clear again, I am still not that keen on these patches to Gnome they have done | Sep 25 02:46 |
sebsebseb | ,but | Sep 25 02:46 |
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sebsebseb | I do want to try Unity and I think from a end user point of view, and I mean for average end users, that the sound menu is a great idea | Sep 25 02:46 |
sebsebseb | the only patch though that I think great idea to, that they have done to Gnome | Sep 25 02:46 |
sebsebseb | also I think having a house icon for home in places, is great for making something look user friendly, but thats just a theme, not a patch :) | Sep 25 02:47 |
bruce89 | a thing using a non-standard API that does something that I don't understand | Sep 25 02:47 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: you mean the sound menu? | Sep 25 02:48 |
bruce89 | yes | Sep 25 02:48 |
sebsebseb | yes music can just be controlled in a music player sure, and I am quite happy with that really, but since I will put 10.10 on anyway for a bit, I will try the sound menu whilst I am at properly with music | Sep 25 02:48 |
sebsebseb | anyway the idea of the sound menu, is to make controlling music eaiser for people | Sep 25 02:48 |
sebsebseb | for Ubuntu users that is | Sep 25 02:49 |
sebsebseb | since other distros probably won't be doing it | Sep 25 02:49 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: remember Ubuntu is trying to target the main streame, the average consumer | Sep 25 02:49 |
sebsebseb | and yes listening to music on the computer, is what a lot of them do | Sep 25 02:49 |
bruce89 | and in what way is that different to for example actually using the program itself? | Sep 25 02:49 |
bruce89 | which is something that has worked for years, and Canonical clearly want to break it | Sep 25 02:50 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well with these patches that are going on the top right, most users will be used to going up there, to shut down, or to control their instant messenger networks, or to put messages on Twitter through the me menu for example | Sep 25 02:50 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: so for those kind of users, makes sense really to have music player options up there as well | Sep 25 02:51 |
sebsebseb | ,but personally I quite like the old sound menu in Gnome, nice and simple, and only does volume | Sep 25 02:51 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: the most stupid Gnome patch so far from them, is for the clock | Sep 25 02:51 |
bruce89 | to be honest, it's not worth disussing it with you, you're nothing but a brick wall | Sep 25 02:51 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: we have had these convos before, and you basically hate Ubuntu now | Sep 25 02:51 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: I have mixed feelings, thats the difference | Sep 25 02:52 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: sound menu I am ok with, other Gnome paches, I don't like | Sep 25 02:53 |
bruce89 | I don't hate them, I dislike the angle they're taking with respect forking | Sep 25 02:53 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: right so maybe support a distro that has a chance of becoming number one on distrowatch.com ,because even though Fedora is popular with technical people, it is unlikely to win loads of average computer users over any time soon, since it lacks tools for them such a nice graphical control centre for configuring the system. Well the Mandriva control centre is open source, Fedora could use it as well, but I guess most of their users | Sep 25 02:54 |
bruce89 | I mean it is clear to me they are deliberately not upstreaming stuff so they can market their limited-point patches as an "advantage" | Sep 25 02:54 |
sebsebseb | woudnt' like that. | Sep 25 02:54 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: we can whine about Ubuntu as much as we want, but it won't useualy help to change things | Sep 25 02:56 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: also Fedora isn't always as stable as it should be, by the sounds of what I was told online by someone | Sep 25 02:56 |
sebsebseb | I mean updating stuff here and there | Sep 25 02:57 |
bruce89 | I don't care | Sep 25 02:57 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: you don't care about market share | Sep 25 02:57 |
bruce89 | no, because I'm sane | Sep 25 02:57 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: so you can't see what Canonical are doing with Ubuntu, and then see the why | Sep 25 02:57 |
bruce89 | no, I can't see they "why" because it makes no sense | Sep 25 02:57 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: they are making Ubuntu mroe user friendly or at least seem like it is, for the average computer user | Sep 25 02:58 |
bruce89 | in what way does adding non-standard API and patching GNOME to oblivion help/ | Sep 25 02:58 |
bruce89 | so why must they persist in screwing up the UI? | Sep 25 02:58 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: you think market share for Desktop Linux doesn't matter, well I guess Canonical think that patching Gnome doesn't really matter either, as long as they are making Ubuntu more user friendly for most of their users | Sep 25 02:59 |
bruce89 | how does it make it user friendly? | Sep 25 02:59 |
bruce89 | how is breaking standards friendly? | Sep 25 02:59 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: also they can get away with it quite nicely, because just like Microsoft or Apple, their is ignorance that sorrounds them | Sep 25 02:59 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: the average computer user doesn't know or care about standards, they use a computer as a tool, and want to get their computer task done, thats all | Sep 25 03:00 |
sebsebseb | and I think Canonical reolizes that | Sep 25 03:00 |
bruce89 | I still have not heard one valid argument about how forking GNOME makes it user friendly | Sep 25 03:00 |
sebsebseb | and so are trying to make Ubuntu easier for them to do their task, but they are implementing these changes into Ubuntu, in a bad way | Sep 25 03:00 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: I have already provided at least one I think, but you don't see it like that | Sep 25 03:00 |
bruce89 | because I can see little use for such trivial things | Sep 25 03:01 |
sebsebseb | well yes a lot of it wil have little use | Sep 25 03:01 |
sebsebseb | by mos users I guess | Sep 25 03:01 |
sebsebseb | ,but even so, it will make Ubuntu seem more user friendly | Sep 25 03:02 |
bruce89 | and don't kid yourself, hardware compatibility is the biggest block, not some non-sensical GNOME changes | Sep 25 03:02 |
sebsebseb | by many | Sep 25 03:02 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: right and I never said it wasn't | Sep 25 03:02 |
bruce89 | so why then do they do it unilaterally instead of multilaterally | Sep 25 03:02 |
sebsebseb | this was about why the Ubuntu Gnome patches, may make Ubuntu more user friendly or at least seem more user friendly, for average computer users | Sep 25 03:03 |
bruce89 | is it because they want other distros to die? | Sep 25 03:03 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well why not ask Mark Shuttelworth himself in Open Week? | Sep 25 03:03 |
sebsebseb | its nearly time | Sep 25 03:03 |
bruce89 | because he'll just say his usual crap | Sep 25 03:03 |
bruce89 | patches this way and so on | Sep 25 03:03 |
bruce89 | "upstream can take them if they wish" | Sep 25 03:04 |
sebsebseb | there are other ways to contact Shuttleworth, but I guess he would ignore most mere mortals pretty much, if we tried to do that | Sep 25 03:04 |
sebsebseb | you know what I mean I think | Sep 25 03:04 |
bruce89 | there's no point anyway | Sep 25 03:04 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well yes, Ubuntu do what they want, and then upstream can take the changes if they want to, but so far Gnome have refused | Sep 25 03:05 |
sebsebseb | is that really how they should be doing it though Ubuntu I mean, no not really | Sep 25 03:05 |
bruce89 | because that is not GNOME's job | Sep 25 03:05 |
bruce89 | it is not upstream's job to find patches that distros apply | Sep 25 03:05 |
*sebsebseb wonders if Canonical might make loads of their users think Gnome 3 is bad, because of something | Sep 25 03:06 | |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well I guess we will know soon | Sep 25 03:06 |
sebsebseb | or have an idea, if it might happen | Sep 25 03:06 |
bruce89 | well I'm certain they will carry on foisting their non-standard APIs on developers | Sep 25 03:07 |
sebsebseb | got to wait until UDS time | Sep 25 03:07 |
bruce89 | fragmenting the FOSS landscape | Sep 25 03:07 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: right now though, in a way Ubuntu is one of the best Gnome distros for new users, or not, because of what we are talking about, but what about Mint? | Sep 25 03:07 |
sebsebseb | don't Mint do patches as well of some sort? | Sep 25 03:07 |
bruce89 | how can you assert such things? | Sep 25 03:07 |
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sebsebseb | bruce89: Mint is all green, and looks more like Windows by default | Sep 25 03:08 |
bruce89 | yes, the marketing for Ubuntu is aimed at that sector, but the patches still don't make things any better | Sep 25 03:08 |
bruce89 | why does having endless menus help? | Sep 25 03:08 |
sebsebseb | yep we have had this chat before, and no it doesn't really | Sep 25 03:08 |
sebsebseb | it will clutter things up | Sep 25 03:08 |
schestowitz | Star menu.. http://dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2010/09/follow-up-review-mandriva-20101-spring.html | Sep 25 03:08 |
sebsebseb | or at least with to many add on apps, that use it | Sep 25 03:08 |
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bruce89 | I thought you meant the patches MAKE GNOME user-friendly, or more so | Sep 25 03:09 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: the sound menu idea is ok really, but how it has been implemented is done in a bad way | Sep 25 03:09 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: however thats the same for their other Gnome patches | Sep 25 03:10 |
sebsebseb | the ones I know about anyway | Sep 25 03:10 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: so yeah shut down, and the indicators | Sep 25 03:10 |
bruce89 | so then what makes the distro more user friendly? | Sep 25 03:10 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: however something can be implemened in a bad way technically, but | Sep 25 03:10 |
sebsebseb | that is done in a user friendly way for users | Sep 25 03:10 |
sebsebseb | and thats what I am trying to say here | Sep 25 03:10 |
bruce89 | I keep asking, and I will persist | Sep 25 03:11 |
bruce89 | so then what makes the distro more user friendly? | Sep 25 03:11 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: for some users the software centre makes it more user friendly | Sep 25 03:11 |
sebsebseb | ,but | Sep 25 03:11 |
bruce89 | right, that's fair | Sep 25 03:11 |
sebsebseb | Mandriva has better user friendly tools, that also weren't patches for Gnome, I mean the control centre for example | Sep 25 03:11 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: and for some users these Gnome paches, make it more user friendly for them, if you like it or not | Sep 25 03:12 |
sebsebseb | in fact there was soeone I chatted to online not that long ago | Sep 25 03:12 |
bruce89 | what I am trying to get you to say is in what way? | Sep 25 03:12 |
sebsebseb | he knew they were patches downstreame, but he tried Fedora I think it was, but then soon went back to Ubuntu afterwoulds, because of the patches | Sep 25 03:12 |
sebsebseb | how or why something is more user friendly than something else, depends on the user, and what they want to be doing on their computer | Sep 25 03:13 |
bruce89 | well, that just tells me that this is their plan | Sep 25 03:13 |
sebsebseb | and Canonical do case studiies on user friendlyness | Sep 25 03:13 |
sebsebseb | and there was a link or something, about how they would do it on a web cam or something, I think, but I didn't read it | Sep 25 03:14 |
bruce89 | and did any of these studies recommend patching the hell out of GNOME? | Sep 25 03:14 |
sebsebseb | I don't know | Sep 25 03:14 |
bruce89 | schestowitz: sorry about this | Sep 25 03:14 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: eh it would have been rather quite in here tonight probably, if it wasn't for this anyway | Sep 25 03:15 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: distros change what they want to change, get over it | Sep 25 03:16 |
bruce89 | you can talk | Sep 25 03:16 |
sebsebseb | obviously we probably won't agree with all the changes, if we know about them, but thats how it is | Sep 25 03:16 |
sebsebseb | and yes I have whined about | Sep 25 03:16 |
sebsebseb | Gnome patches to Ubuntu | Sep 25 03:16 |
bruce89 | and now you just defend them by saying something nebulous | Sep 25 03:17 |
sebsebseb | however whatever, Gnome 2 is on the verge of dieing now, and I expect, as a result, this won't be such a thing anymore, when distros start using Gnome 3 | Sep 25 03:17 |
bruce89 | Canonical won't dump their work you know | Sep 25 03:17 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: If they don't use Gnome 3 by default | Sep 25 03:18 |
bruce89 | upstream may reimplement things that are similar in any case | Sep 25 03:18 |
sebsebseb | in 11.10 | Sep 25 03:18 |
sebsebseb | at least | Sep 25 03:18 |
sebsebseb | then well theres the Internet | Sep 25 03:18 |
sebsebseb | a lot of people will be annoyed I expect | Sep 25 03:18 |
bruce89 | those omgponies people are being whipped up into hating GNOME you know | Sep 25 03:18 |
sebsebseb | and the Internet can be very powerful at getting the message out that something is bad, even if it might not be really for a particualr user, I mean lets take Vista for example | Sep 25 03:19 |
bruce89 | so that they won't mind when Ubuntu fork it | Sep 25 03:19 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: I haven't read omgubuntu for about a week now by the way | Sep 25 03:19 |
bruce89 | yikes | Sep 25 03:19 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: got to interested in Mageia to want to do that :) | Sep 25 03:19 |
bruce89 | stop highlighting me | Sep 25 03:19 |
sebsebseb | and yes there is a lot of ignorance and so on in comments on that site | Sep 25 03:20 |
sebsebseb | and sometimes the blog enteries them selves aren't that great either | Sep 25 03:20 |
schestowitz | bruce89: don't be sorry :-) | Sep 25 03:21 |
bruce89 | ugh, I'm more sorry at myself, I keep thinking this is intersting | Sep 25 03:21 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: and I remember when I went to the IRC channel for omgubuntu not that long ago, mentioend mono, and it was linke you can't use this link, because it was from techrights | Sep 25 03:21 |
schestowitz | I read it | Sep 25 03:21 |
schestowitz | And yes, I adviced sebsebseb to highlight people less | Sep 25 03:21 |
sebsebseb | also someone was like, we don't need Gnome | Sep 25 03:22 |
bruce89 | I'd like to see them try | Sep 25 03:22 |
sebsebseb | their is a lot of ignorance that sorrounds omgubuntu and is well on the site | Sep 25 03:22 |
sebsebseb | and a lot of fanboyism as well | Sep 25 03:22 |
sebsebseb | and as schestowitz has said at least twice on his blog, Mono promotion | Sep 25 03:22 |
schestowitz | under 18s | Sep 25 03:22 |
sebsebseb | well joey is like 21 or 22 | Sep 25 03:23 |
schestowitz | That's old | Sep 25 03:23 |
sebsebseb | that humphreybc guy is 20 now I think | Sep 25 03:23 |
schestowitz | That makes his like the grandpa there | Sep 25 03:23 |
bruce89 | well, I believe age doesn't matter, but maturity does | Sep 25 03:23 |
sebsebseb | however yes from my expereince with omgubuntu I mean the IRC | Sep 25 03:23 |
schestowitz | Too young to grow #neckbeards | Sep 25 03:24 |
sebsebseb | as well as comments on the site for that matter that I have read | Sep 25 03:24 |
sebsebseb | they do seem to have a lot of young fan boys | Sep 25 03:24 |
bruce89 | I mean a 19 year old can play well at stand off for Glasgow | Sep 25 03:24 |
bruce89 | code: good thing | Sep 25 03:24 |
*sebsebseb will probably also start to not read most blog enteires on omgubuntu | Sep 25 03:26 | |
sebsebseb | I mean I read a lot of junk | Sep 25 03:26 |
sebsebseb | also last time I was on it I looked at some stuff, but basically didn't bother with comments | Sep 25 03:26 |
sebsebseb | Life is short, so why waste my time, reading about stupid add on apps that can be got for Ubuntu? | Sep 25 03:27 |
sebsebseb | and stuff like that | Sep 25 03:27 |
bruce89 | incidentally, http://www.osnews.com/permalink?441849 is an interesting comment | Sep 25 03:27 |
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sebsebseb | now yes there is omgubuntu | Sep 25 03:28 |
sebsebseb | ,but not everyone is a fan boy or girl that uses Ubuntu | Sep 25 03:28 |
sebsebseb | there will be some very nice non technical people out there for example, that use Ubuntu | Sep 25 03:28 |
bruce89 | and there has been someone on #gnome saying stuff about their KDE program's notification icon didn't work in Ubuntu due to the fork | Sep 25 03:28 |
sebsebseb | the Ubuntu fork you mean? | Sep 25 03:28 |
bruce89 | of the notification icon standard | Sep 25 03:28 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: if anything it is a user interface fork, but thats it really? | Sep 25 03:29 |
bruce89 | no, it's an API fork too really | Sep 25 03:29 |
sebsebseb | I mean under the hood it is Gnome or pretty much right? no? | Sep 25 03:29 |
bruce89 | sorry, indicator/notification area | Sep 25 03:29 |
*sebsebseb should mabye burn another distro to CD / DVD first, before putting Ubuntu 10.10 on, I mean if I am really going to do it soon | Sep 25 03:30 | |
bruce89 | normal programs use API in GTK+, but Ubuntu requires a seperate (CA) library | Sep 25 03:30 |
sebsebseb | I mean I don't want to be using a rubbish distro for months really | Sep 25 03:30 |
bruce89 | CentOS! | Sep 25 03:31 |
sebsebseb | so what to do instead whilst waiting for Mandriva after being done with 10.10? | Sep 25 03:31 |
sebsebseb | CentOS your suggesting I think you kind of suggested that as a joke | Sep 25 03:31 |
sebsebseb | ,but yeah maybe | Sep 25 03:31 |
bruce89 | err, no | Sep 25 03:31 |
bruce89 | we're talking about GNOME 2.16 if I remember correctly | Sep 25 03:31 |
schestowitz | centos is used a lot | Sep 25 03:31 |
schestowitz | millions of machines | Sep 25 03:31 |
sebsebseb | PC Linux OS with XFCE or Englightment I am thinking | Sep 25 03:32 |
sebsebseb | agian | Sep 25 03:32 |
schestowitz | TRIdentica and TRIdentica run on centos | Sep 25 03:32 |
sebsebseb | I mean Mgeia might not even come out untill Janurarey | Sep 25 03:32 |
schestowitz | TRIdentica and TechrightsBot-tr I meant | Sep 25 03:32 |
bruce89 | indeed, a nice distro for stablity | Sep 25 03:32 |
sebsebseb | or be on 10.10 untill... hmm | Sep 25 03:32 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: I put 10.10 on and junk goes back onto my computer | Sep 25 03:33 |
bruce89 | dare I mention Fedora | Sep 25 03:33 |
sebsebseb | yep Ubuntu One | Sep 25 03:33 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well I was thinking Fedora as well maybe | Sep 25 03:33 |
bruce89 | or does it still have anaconda cooties | Sep 25 03:33 |
schestowitz | UbuntUno | Sep 25 03:33 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: yeah Fedora that sounds more realistic to be honest | Sep 25 03:34 |
sebsebseb | I mean | Sep 25 03:34 |
bruce89 | plus, you get the bonus of my wallpaper | Sep 25 03:34 |
sebsebseb | Fedora or PCLOS | Sep 25 03:34 |
sebsebseb | Mandriva 2010.1 is getting a bi to old for me now and such | Sep 25 03:34 |
sebsebseb | so thats not going back on | Sep 25 03:34 |
sebsebseb | so I think about two or three weeks on 10.10 | Sep 25 03:35 |
sebsebseb | then put another distro on | Sep 25 03:35 |
bruce89 | 2 or 3 minutes would suffice surely? | Sep 25 03:35 |
sebsebseb | I mean I mainly want to put it on on here, to try Unity on here, which is probably not going to work so well | Sep 25 03:35 |
sebsebseb | since its not made for desktops and yeah | Sep 25 03:36 |
bruce89 | that's not really the point | Sep 25 03:36 |
bruce89 | any decent shell should work anywhere I should imagine | Sep 25 03:36 |
sebsebseb | shell you mean Unity? | Sep 25 03:36 |
sebsebseb | Fedora 14 is the next one? when will that be out? | Sep 25 03:37 |
bruce89 | as in any DE type thing | Sep 25 03:37 |
bruce89 | October I think | Sep 25 03:37 |
sebsebseb | ok so well I think I am away the last week | Sep 25 03:37 |
sebsebseb | so maye like November Fedora goes on here | Sep 25 03:37 |
sebsebseb | and I can do PCLOS in a vm | Sep 25 03:38 |
sebsebseb | I don't want to be stuck on a rubbish distro whilst waiting for Mageia realy, so yep 10.10 won't be on for that long | Sep 25 03:39 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: and I think you know me :D and maybe even a bit worried about it | Sep 25 03:39 |
bruce89 | erm? | Sep 25 03:39 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: that if I have 10.10 on here, I might start whineing about Ubuntu even more | Sep 25 03:39 |
bruce89 | no, whining would be an improvement | Sep 25 03:39 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: oh you don't like when I sort of defend them? and such? | Sep 25 03:40 |
bruce89 | well, you can do what you like | Sep 25 03:40 |
sebsebseb | I know I won't like 10.10 much from vm trying of desktop | Sep 25 03:40 |
bruce89 | some back up of opinions may help next time | Sep 25 03:41 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat has the Best Relative Performance in the Systems Software Industry http://ur1.ca/1rlfp #redhat #red_hat !gnu !linux | Sep 25 03:44 | |
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sebsebseb | Ok so who enjoyed reading the chat that just happended? :d | Sep 25 03:44 |
sebsebseb | anyone schestowitz maybe? | Sep 25 03:45 |
hazzy | I was doing something else | Sep 25 03:45 |
schestowitz | I lurked | Sep 25 03:46 |
hazzy | Oh, great | Sep 25 03:46 |
hazzy | http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2010/09/22/5-major-uk-carriers-to-stock-windows-phone-7-devices/ | Sep 25 03:46 |
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schestowitz | Doesn't say how much | Sep 25 03:47 |
schestowitz | And Microsoft probably pays /them/ | Sep 25 03:47 |
hazzy | After the Kin fiasco, yeah | Sep 25 03:47 |
schestowitz | Vista Phone 7 is KINg | Sep 25 03:47 |
schestowitz | // @satipera] I have just sat through 20 minute Windows phone 7 video at Engadget. The GUI is crude and ugly ugly ugly. Can't see Google loosing any sleep | Sep 25 03:48 |
schestowitz | Ballmer will need to go, BUT... | Sep 25 03:48 |
hazzy | That story was really old, nevermind...it was posted in '08 | Sep 25 03:48 |
schestowitz | Don't see how anyone else can save a legacy business where margins decline | Sep 25 03:48 |
hazzy | Has Microsoft stopped extorting with patents? | Sep 25 03:49 |
hazzy | I haven't heard anything about it latelt | Sep 25 03:50 |
hazzy | lately* | Sep 25 03:50 |
schestowitz | they still do it | Sep 25 03:51 |
schestowitz | gn | Sep 25 03:51 |
hazzy | Night | Sep 25 03:51 |
schestowitz | ";It's their nature" | Sep 25 03:51 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] No Jobs, Gates, or Ellison. The real genius was Sir Clive Sinclair. He was THE MAN | Sep 25 04:17 | |
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Tekk_ | gonna be slow, relearning colemak | Sep 25 04:21 |
cubevector | what is colemak? | Sep 25 04:29 |
cubevector | oh different keyboard layout? | Sep 25 04:30 |
*cubevector wants an APL keyboard :) | Sep 25 04:30 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Getting ready for my first day back to school. Wish me luck! :) | Sep 25 04:32 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] And by the way, this year, we will learn Visual Basic 6.0.. Yay! | Sep 25 04:34 | |
Tekk_ | cubevector: yeah | Sep 25 04:36 |
Tekk_ | More efficient for touch typers | Sep 25 04:36 |
cubevector | notice no modern keyboard has a help button? | Sep 25 04:37 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD @schestowitz: Intel's latest DRM fiasco http://www.defectivebydesign.org/intel-hdminsult | Sep 25 04:37 | |
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Tekk_ | Make one with one | Sep 25 04:37 |
cubevector | I just thought it was ironic | Sep 25 04:38 |
Tekk_ | How does that get here in irc faster than my client >> | Sep 25 04:38 |
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cubevector | KDE doesn't even have a default help key | Sep 25 04:52 |
cubevector | oops, sorry it does, F1 | Sep 25 04:53 |
cubevector | only within the application though | Sep 25 04:53 |
Tekk_ | F1 on desktop launches general help in kde | Sep 25 04:56 |
cubevector | hmmm, doesn't seem to work for me | Sep 25 04:58 |
cubevector | F1 will launch konqueror in xchat, oddly enough | Sep 25 04:58 |
cubevector | Tekk_, which distro are you using? | Sep 25 04:59 |
cubevector | yeah F1 seems kind of universal | Sep 25 04:59 |
cubevector | F1 is help in firefox | Sep 25 05:00 |
Tekk_ | mhm | Sep 25 05:00 |
Tekk_ | cubevector: trisquel | Sep 25 05:00 |
cubevector | F1 does nothing in bash | Sep 25 05:00 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Steve Jobs fixed the problem with suicides in FoxConn ur1.ca/1rkqh | Sep 25 05:01 | |
*cubevector frowns at no 486 support | Sep 25 05:02 | |
*cubevector is still looking for the perfect OS | Sep 25 05:02 | |
cubevector | the silly thing is keyboards used to have help buttons | Sep 25 05:04 |
Tekk_ | really? | Sep 25 05:05 |
cubevector | yes of course :) | Sep 25 05:05 |
cubevector | is that a surprise? | Sep 25 05:06 |
Tekk_ | yes, actually it is | Sep 25 05:06 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @schestowitz Grace Hopper Interview (1986) http://ur1.ca/1rlwv via @fontana and @lh | Sep 25 05:09 | |
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cubevector | check out the Amiga 500 keyboard: | Sep 25 05:10 |
cubevector | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Amiga500_system.jpg | Sep 25 05:10 |
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cubevector | well anyways, that's funny | Sep 25 05:12 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Great ideas! --> http://www.windley.com/archives/2010/06/starting_a_high_tech_business_plugging_the_fat_pigeon.shtml | Sep 25 05:22 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Moe Alkaff on leaving sg. A lot to think about. http://ur1.ca/1rm08 #fb | Sep 25 05:26 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] The real problem with !java in Linux distros #packaging : http://is.gd/frH7l | Sep 25 05:39 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Know some cool apps that deserve more attention? Nominate them for my next !Ubuntu post-install guide www.reddit.com/tb/dimvq | Sep 25 05:57 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Faenza icon set, very nice http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/faenza-icon-set-gets-a-ppa/ | Sep 25 06:19 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ok, I found an awesome them/icon combination. Elementary window border, Dust Sand controls, and Faenza icons set! :D | Sep 25 06:31 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Alright it looks like I can't dim my notebook screen anymore and it's looks bright...looks like that means I am tired, time for bed! | Sep 25 06:51 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !listening to @TimLouisJazz "Mood Swings" ... doing a bit more on the final reproof !edit before packing it in for the night !inconstantmoon | Sep 25 07:17 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Granddad. Not screaming in horror like the other passengers in his car! | Sep 25 07:27 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Delicious Bookmark: LINUX System Call Quick Reference: http://bit.ly/a9dQTl | Sep 25 07:29 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Portalul #eRomania 2, o afacere de partid şi de stat – 10 milioane de euro pentru trezorierul Ivaşcu de la #PDL http://is.gd/frUJ5 #romania | Sep 25 07:36 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Archbang Reloaded 64 bit has been released. !archlinux !linux !crunchbang http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06289 | Sep 25 07:46 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Finally got a post of digg's front page...about time, I used to get a lot on front page. | Sep 25 07:59 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith Steve Jobs might call those nets at Foxconn, "freedom from death" http://ur1.ca/1rn8s | Sep 25 08:16 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Drink coffee, smoke ciggie, put old painting clothes on, and off to DIY store for more paint. | Sep 25 08:22 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] (Almost) Everything you need to understand about video! Well spent 30mins in a long time! http://www.xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml #fb | Sep 25 08:24 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: Red Hat has the Best Relative Performance in the Systems Software Industry http://ur1.ca/1rlfp #redhat #red_hat !gnu !linux | Sep 25 08:34 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Intel HDMInsult http://is.gd/fs4ku #drm | Sep 25 08:41 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It's time to turn on the ‘freedom' http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/internet/article740185.ece #india #freedom | Sep 25 08:54 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My Top 5 Favorite Free Software Programs http://ur1.ca/1rnkn !kde #emacs !fs | Sep 25 09:01 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @NaomiAKlein Isn't Bono's RED all about buying lots of corporate crap to show how much we care about poverty? What's the difference? | Sep 25 09:04 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Barclays PLC (NYSE: BCS) Boosts Price Target on Red Hat (NYSE: RHT) http://ur1.ca/1rnns Goldman Sachs too http://ur1.ca/1rnnt | Sep 25 09:07 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] Intel's latest DRM fiasco http://www.defectivebydesign.org/intel-hdminsult !gnu !linux !fsf !lp !lpitalia !dbd | Sep 25 09:12 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why IDG fails: http://ur1.ca/1rnog "small but vocal group of developers and enthusiasts" they belittle people who want law to be obeyed | Sep 25 09:12 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just because a small group of people is informed enough to be capable of initiating doesn't make it "disruptive and annoying"...#idg #fail | Sep 25 09:14 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Bom sabado!" orkut bug/vulnerability : http://is.gd/fs8EF | Sep 25 09:22 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Running An Encrypted LVM In Ubuntu 10.10: Back with Ubuntu 7.10 an option was added to Ubuntu's alternate CD insta... http://bit.ly/afDsOI | Sep 25 09:37 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] 2010 Linux Graphics Survey Reminder: As a reminder to those interested in participating in our annual Linux Graphi... http://bit.ly/djQIwp | Sep 25 09:37 | |
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schestowitz | What's this hype w/ touchscreen | Sep 25 10:06 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Kafkaesque Question Of Who Owns Kafka's Papers - http://bit.ly/aXt6JK fascinating and important issues #copyright #kafka | Sep 25 10:14 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Kafka’s Last Trial - http://nyti.ms/aP04Qk the NYT article discussed by @mmasnick in that last post: wonderful journalism #kafka #nyt | Sep 25 10:16 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] LOL ♺ @ThE_ED: OH: MAC adres? Maar ik heb helemaal geen Mac! | Sep 25 10:54 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Gentrification posited as motive for attack on Tophane art galleries - http://bit.ly/aemGE1 worrying article and comments #turkey | Sep 25 11:06 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] X. Niel "c'est notre Steve Jobs à nous." http://is.gd/fshBz >> heu… #lol | Sep 25 11:09 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] CD Sales Continue To Plummet, Vinyl Records Soar - http://bit.ly/b5sUd4 making money from analogue scarcity, not digital abundance #music | Sep 25 11:11 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] First #MeeGo tablet ships http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/WePad-and-NFS-NPad/?kc=rss | Sep 25 11:12 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ACS:Law Anti-Piracy Law Firm Torn Apart By Leaked Emails - http://bit.ly/9KEVHN adverse publicity taking its tool, it seems #acslaw | Sep 25 11:12 | |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/51822412#notice-52296392 "@schestowitz Huh? "This analysis was compiled based on yesterday's trading activity"? What's the relevance? #redhat #red_hat !gnu !linux" | Sep 25 11:14 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Chrome Web Store Will Debut This Year, Integrates Google Checkout and Apps Preview http://goo.gl/380C | Sep 25 11:14 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68G06S20100917 | Sep 25 11:27 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] More than 20 cities rally for Bradley Manning http://bit.ly/d2ksJV !p !pi4li #savebradley #whistleblower via @wikileaks | Sep 25 11:29 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Ritchie De Laet goes on loan to Sheffield Utd !mufc !football http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_6399152,00.html | Sep 25 11:41 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Robocopyright ACTA - http://bit.ly/axwa8W rather fine mashup of #Robocop and #ACTA - don't miss the end... | Sep 25 11:46 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Glinner clear CPS has no grasp of how tech is changing the world. This is why legislation like #3strikes so dangerous #twitterjoketrial | Sep 25 11:49 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] ZOMG !!! crazy bit of lightning/thunder just now | Sep 25 11:56 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Android forms basis of Thales IFEC http://ur1.ca/1rp4g More !Linux in planes | Sep 25 12:02 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTE: A look at Foursquare – Google Wave syndrome? http://tinyurl.com/3a95nye !foursquare !facebook | Sep 25 12:07 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: A look at Foursquare – Google Wave syndrome? http://tinyurl.com/3a95nye !foursquare !facebook | Sep 25 12:09 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ACS:Law (Gay) Porn Letters Target Pensioners, Married Men - http://bit.ly/96THek "a look at some of the human victims of this scheme" | Sep 25 12:14 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I installed Xubuntu #Maverick as secondary OS my notebook yesterday evening. | Sep 25 12:17 | |
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oiaohm | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/ Now this is just sad | Sep 25 12:18 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sharing is legitimate - http://bit.ly/cN8zMM great piece; I was thinking about exactly these points this morning #sharing #copyright | Sep 25 12:19 | |
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schestowitz_log | oiaohm: yes, talked about it yesterday | Sep 25 12:20 |
schestowitz_log | Windows | Sep 25 12:20 |
oiaohm | I was refering to the quality of the reporting schestowitz_log | Sep 25 12:33 |
oiaohm | Even using cp if you are not careful NTFS under windows still can end up critically fragmented while doing a large set of copies. schestowitz_log | Sep 25 12:34 |
oiaohm | Basically best solution copy to a file server with a file system that works. | Sep 25 12:34 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 25/9/2010: GNU/Linux in British Government, Trisquel GNU/Linux 4.0 is Out http://ur1.ca/1rpg6 !techrights | Sep 25 12:54 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OpenOffice.org Base – No Frills Document Management | Linux User http://ping.fm/tUhnQ | Sep 25 12:59 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Running An Encrypted LVM In Ubuntu 10.10 http://ping.fm/aYdnj | Sep 25 13:01 | |
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sebsebseb | schestowitz_log: schestowitz oiaohm http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/benjamin-gets-his-hands-on-the-apple-magic-trackpad/ | Sep 25 13:04 |
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sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/benjamin-gets-his-hands-on-the-apple-magic-trackpad/ | Sep 25 13:04 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OpenKM Add On http://ping.fm/VlUsF | Sep 25 13:04 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Not sure whether to post OO related addons in the current #scoracle climate but I figure they're useful all the same? | Sep 25 13:04 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How to Enable 'Tabbed Options' in #Chromium ~ #Ubuntu Vibes http://ping.fm/sJtwk | Sep 25 13:06 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Chrome Web Store Will Debut This Year, Integrates Google Checkout and Apps Preview | Tech Drive-in http://ping.fm/NhSnt | Sep 25 13:06 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Google, this might be the greatest thing you've ever done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n4-oVOKoLY | Sep 25 13:11 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android Notifier App Sends Notifications From Your Phone Right to Your Desktop | Tech Drive-in http://ping.fm/GkbPe | Sep 25 13:12 | |
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schestowitz | sebsebseb: thanks | Sep 25 13:21 |
oiaohm | Really the multi touch issue effects lot of other thing as well. | Sep 25 13:22 |
oiaohm | Interesting that its detecting as a standard touch pad. | Sep 25 13:22 |
MinceR | like i said, omgubuntu is a hive of drooling fanboys | Sep 25 13:22 |
MinceR | "oh wow, crApple, i'm pissing myself" | Sep 25 13:23 |
oiaohm | Ie why is instlalling under windows so hard. | Sep 25 13:23 |
MinceR | it's a useless gimmick, a mouse can be used in its place and does a much better work | Sep 25 13:23 |
MinceR | as an added bonus, he advertises a m$ mouse beside it | Sep 25 13:23 |
schestowitz | MinceR: better fanboiis on Linux' side than Apple' | Sep 25 13:23 |
oiaohm | MinceR: really somethings apple does do a good job with. | Sep 25 13:23 |
schestowitz | *Apple's | Sep 25 13:24 |
MinceR | schestowitz: they're not on the side of gnu/linux | Sep 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | They are | Sep 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | Ubuntu | Sep 25 13:24 |
MinceR | they're anti-free software, pro-mono, pro-crApple | Sep 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | WHat can you do... | Sep 25 13:24 |
MinceR | i'm not talking about ubuntu | Sep 25 13:24 |
MinceR | i'm talking about omgubuntu | Sep 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | what is "omg"? :- | Sep 25 13:24 |
schestowitz | Let's thik... | Sep 25 13:25 |
MinceR | it's the abbreviation of an exclamation to their invisible friend | Sep 25 13:25 |
schestowitz | Let's think... alternative acronyms.. | Sep 25 13:25 |
oiaohm | Really MinceR I am sorry to say there is no such thing as a Linux mouse to buy at the moment. | Sep 25 13:25 |
schestowitz | Over Mac.... | Sep 25 13:25 |
oiaohm | So microsoft mouse next to a apple mouse we have to live with. | Sep 25 13:25 |
MinceR | oiaohm: Logitech mice are still better and don't fund m$, afaik | Sep 25 13:26 |
oiaohm | At least the bugger works. | Sep 25 13:26 |
schestowitz | Owing Mac Gratis Ubuntu? | Sep 25 13:26 |
oiaohm | Not really Logitech pays MS for use of some patents. | Sep 25 13:26 |
MinceR | there's also Razer, Cyborg, Steelseries and whatever | Sep 25 13:26 |
schestowitz | DOesn't work.. | Sep 25 13:26 |
oiaohm | Ie Logitech pay MS less not nothing. MinceR | Sep 25 13:26 |
MinceR | oiaohm: better than having m$ get all the money | Sep 25 13:26 |
oiaohm | The laser mouse I have sitting on My desk is pay MS nothing. | Sep 25 13:27 |
MinceR | what kind? | Sep 25 13:27 |
oiaohm | lazer sorry | Sep 25 13:27 |
oiaohm | Its one of those odd made in china brands. Direct imported. | Sep 25 13:29 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Modkit - a graphical programming environment for #Arduino http://ping.fm/BpumZ | Sep 25 13:29 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 10 Essential WordPress Plugins for Every WordPress Installation http://ping.fm/QdAsE | Sep 25 13:32 | |
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oiaohm | http://www.laserco.com.au Opps I had it right the first time. MinceR | Sep 25 13:34 |
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MinceR | ic | Sep 25 13:36 |
oiaohm | http://www.laserco.com.au/input_device/mice/MOUSE-TRAVEL.htm They do have some nice mice designs. | Sep 25 13:37 |
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MinceR | i wouldn't call that "nice" :> | Sep 25 13:37 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Linux [...] with the !KDE desktop http://ur1.ca/1rpro http://ur1.ca/1rprp http://ur1.ca/1rprq | Sep 25 13:37 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] stable review: 2.6.32.23 http://bit.ly/csZAQf 2.6.35.6 http://bit.ly/90gpxo #linux #kernel "Responses [...] by September 26, 17:00:00 UTC" | Sep 25 13:39 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Meego... of 10 Gnome packages in package manager 8 are mono or .net | Sep 25 13:41 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Robocopyright ACTA (as Ogg) http://ur1.ca/1rpsm #intellectualmonopoly #acta #playogg #robocopyright #video | Sep 25 13:41 | |
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oiaohm | Nice for the traveler. MinceR | Sep 25 13:41 |
oiaohm | Only mouse I know of that has a inbuilt lead retraction. MinceR | Sep 25 13:42 |
oiaohm | And yes in a dark room is a simple to find mouse. | Sep 25 13:42 |
oiaohm | To be more correct laser stuff is more practical than fancy. | Sep 25 13:43 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Nokia N900 Review - Maximum PC !Maemo http://ping.fm/C5Lfy | Sep 25 13:51 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Int'l group cites Koronadal public school for promoting free software - Trading Markets http://ping.fm/cAnxf | Sep 25 13:57 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I have been looking into and playing with Meego for about a day now, so far I am not very impressed. Change of plan I think. | Sep 25 14:06 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @methoddan Eagerly awaiting the result today of Britain's Got Millibands... aka the Labour leadership contest. !politics | Sep 25 14:42 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #AMD Feels Revenue Pinch By Maureen O'Gara http://goo.gl/3rZ4 | Sep 25 15:31 | |
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amarsh04 | it's unfortunately amusing the way "articles by" (to use that term loosely) end up looking like actions for which MOG is responsible | Sep 25 15:37 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] Submitted sqlninja - A tool for sql server injection and takeover for review : http://is.gd/fsytb rhbz#637402 !fedora | Sep 25 15:37 | |
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amarsh04 | many people will not buy intel on principle | Sep 25 15:37 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Gr8, love Robocop, that clip was just awesome. In Robocop's spirit, we now see internet freedom at stakes. | Sep 25 15:44 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Should the Command Line Be Deep-Sixed? http://goo.gl/4OUB "Someone has a problem; I can give them a sequence of commands to run" | Sep 25 15:46 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Interesting discussion at #ossbc about most social networks ToCs being incompatible with ideals of Free Software. /by @popey | Sep 25 15:47 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Popular webOS Feed Reader Goes Open Source http://ur1.ca/1rqli Now, let's see if #HP can liberate #WebOS !linux | Sep 25 15:49 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] New family of Arduino Boards: available immediately at World Maker Faire NY http://ping.fm/xNnrP | Sep 25 15:52 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Wow, the Human and Human Clearlooks theme looks really dated when compared to Ambiance and Radiance theme. !ubuntu | Sep 25 15:54 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Moore’s law in short - http://bit.ly/98m0H6 lest we forget #mooreslaw | Sep 25 15:57 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How do you copy 60m files? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/ "best way [...] turns out to be: use Linux." | Sep 25 16:01 | |
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schestowitz | [15:37] <amarsh04> it's unfortunately amusing the way "articles by" (to use that term loosely) end up looking like actions for which MOG is responsible | Sep 25 16:01 |
schestowitz | Remember that Intel funded SCO by sponsoring a forum | Sep 25 16:02 |
schestowitz | [15:37] <amarsh04> many people will not buy intel on principle | Sep 25 16:02 |
schestowitz | MYself included | Sep 25 16:02 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody for a fair comparison they need identical form factors. | Sep 25 16:06 | |
schestowitz | "Sorry, had to pull the story because it redirected to a malware site." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-09-21-015-35-OS-SW | Sep 25 16:11 |
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schestowitz | Heg. | Sep 25 16:11 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-09-21-015-35-OS-SW-0001 http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-09-21-015-35-OS-SW-0000 | Sep 25 16:11 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Canonical Design could make its demos available as Ogg Theora so that people needn't buy patents from patent trolls (MPEG-LA) and use Trash | Sep 25 16:17 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Money before ethics http://ur1.ca/1rqv7 | Sep 25 16:22 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Awesome, I was mentioned on Linux Outlaws 166! | Sep 25 16:26 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] I keep forgetting my little EeeBox has an SD card solt | Sep 25 17:01 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Chelsea lose, Arsenal lose, Liverpool draw. Come on !united dont mess it up tomorrow | Sep 25 17:09 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Six arrested in Northumbria http://ur1.ca/1rrcm | Sep 25 17:22 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] !listening to No No by Raghav from Storyteller !lastfm | Sep 25 17:46 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Check this video out -- Clive Sinclair http://youtube.com/watch?v=OzuJ7I… via @youtube The real Genius of information technology | Sep 25 17:59 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Check this video out -- Clive Sinclair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzuJ7IRfcsA The real Genius of information technology | Sep 25 18:01 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @schestowitz: You're right. I won't feed the troll. | Sep 25 18:12 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: World Day Against the Death Penalty http://ur1.ca/1rrt8 | Sep 25 18:22 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I wonder if the Ubuntu netbook edition with uTouch will be a better option on a 10 inch tablet than Meego? | Sep 25 18:22 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: Popular webOS Feed Reader Goes Open Source http://ur1.ca/1rqli Now, let's see if #HP can liberate #WebOS !linux | Sep 25 18:31 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sagarun: Submitted sqlninja - A tool for sql server injection and takeover for review : http://is.gd/fsytb rhbz#637402 !fedora | Sep 25 18:31 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @hircus: Frustrated by #ath9k wireless performance on my netbook. Tried !Fedora 13 & 14 kernels. High packet loss rate, Windows works fine | Sep 25 18:31 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @chrisccoulson: The #lightning extension for #thunderbird is back in the !Ubuntu archive for #maverick :-) | Sep 25 18:32 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The only way I can add subfolders to my iPad mail app is by signing up to a MobileMe account? Wrong, wrong #fail | Sep 25 18:34 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Do you know your Kernel Jiffies? (IBM) http://bit.ly/9fx21F | Sep 25 18:37 | |
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Ender2070 | 2.6.35.4-28.fc14.x86_64 | Sep 25 19:11 |
Ender2070 | :P | Sep 25 19:12 |
amarsh04 | schestowitz, the image of Balmer at http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/HP-Slate-Steve-Balmer-thumb-550xauto-34165.jpg reminds me of the Addams family's Uncle Fester | Sep 25 19:12 |
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amarsh04 | since I'm running radeon graphics card I compiled something even more recent from kernel.org | Sep 25 19:12 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Harta electronică a României interbelice http://is.gd/fsMAm #romania #map #monarchy #wwii #history | Sep 25 19:12 | |
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amarsh04 | kernel 2.6.36-rc2 and later are useful if you are driving a hd television from a radeon via dvi-d/hdmi | Sep 25 19:13 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The electronic map of interbellic Romania http://is.gd/fsMGT #romania #map #monarchy #wwii #history | Sep 25 19:14 | |
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Ender2070 | radeon, ugh | Sep 25 19:14 |
Ender2070 | anyone want to try F14 beta? | Sep 25 19:15 |
Ender2070 | Konversation 1.3.1 is nice :D | Sep 25 19:17 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] I know its a respected textbook, but using privately defined headers in the code examples just seems wrong, pedagogically speaking. | Sep 25 19:21 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Quelle surprise! http://ur1.ca/1rsbm | Sep 25 19:24 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] RT @rms Urgent: World Day Against the Death Penalty http://ur1.ca/1rrt8 | Sep 25 19:29 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Microsoft reverses course: #IE9 won't require #Windows 7 SP1 http://is.gd/fsNCC | Sep 25 19:29 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] !gnewsense wiki migration in a few hours. Logins disabled on www.gnewsense.org for !lp !lpitalia | Sep 25 19:31 | |
*amarsh04 is writing to info at linuxfoundation dot org - their use of the term "intellectual property" is Free software - hostile | Sep 25 19:31 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Having wreaked enough havoc for one day, time to do more homework for tonight's gig. Hopefully no one gets hurt as a result. | Sep 25 19:32 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Nothing kills more than ignorant, close-minded teachers. | Sep 25 19:32 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Uhm why did I find a kernel patch on the !ubuntu Launchpad but I can't find whether it was ever sent upstream? :/ | Sep 25 19:36 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Delicious Bookmark: Making Linux System Calls: http://bit.ly/9jAFYo | Sep 25 19:39 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] For Those Interested In Direct3D Over Gallium3D: There still is great interest and discussion among many users int... http://bit.ly/aSSHHU | Sep 25 19:47 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !listening to #Ella Fitzgerald sing "Day and Night" while working on my !nanowrimo novel !InconstantMoon. Does it get any better than this? | Sep 25 19:47 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] EU folk! rt @jerezim 5 days left to reply 2 the #NetNeutrality consultation! http://ur1.ca/1mf54 You have nothing better to do this weekend! | Sep 25 19:52 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] << back to !edit ing !mynovel... the Internet will have to survive without me for a wee bit :D | Sep 25 19:52 | |
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sebsebseb | [13:21] <MinceR> like i said, omgubuntu is a hive of drooling fanboys | Sep 25 20:08 |
sebsebseb | Indeed | Sep 25 20:08 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Anybody knows what the #Netgear EVA2000 thingie actually use as software? | Sep 25 20:09 | |
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hazzy | Hm, why does Firefox en-gb ship with Mandriva en-us? | Sep 25 20:09 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Any idea why Seif Lofty was in here the other day? | Sep 25 20:10 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Maybe to keep an eye on us, in case we talked bad about OMGUbuntu? :D | Sep 25 20:10 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: heres one | Sep 25 20:13 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: Why when choosing English for the language for Mandriva, when there is English American, does it still have en us? | Sep 25 20:14 |
sebsebseb | that did annoy me | Sep 25 20:14 |
hazzy | Why does what still have en us? | Sep 25 20:14 |
hazzy | I understand what you mean other than that | Sep 25 20:14 |
sebsebseb | Mandriva can't do languages properly it seems | Sep 25 20:14 |
sebsebseb | when I install I tell it to do English, but it still gives me en us | Sep 25 20:15 |
hazzy | Oh, right, I think I get it | Sep 25 20:15 |
sebsebseb | and there is an English American option | Sep 25 20:15 |
hazzy | Yeh | Sep 25 20:15 |
sebsebseb | and even after woulds if trying to change it in the control centre, it won't fix it | Sep 25 20:15 |
hazzy | Mandriva and it's languages | Sep 25 20:15 |
hazzy | Wow | Sep 25 20:15 |
sebsebseb | yeah I think I may have read something about languages and Mandriva, before I even installed the distro properly on to this computer | Sep 25 20:16 |
sebsebseb | main thing is I don't want my Firefox user agent to have en-us in it :) | Sep 25 20:16 |
sebsebseb | ,but I have changed that myself a bit :) | Sep 25 20:16 |
sebsebseb | lets not spread en-us :D | Sep 25 20:16 |
sebsebseb | en-gb is the one true Engilsh | Sep 25 20:16 |
hazzy | I have no opinion on that :P | Sep 25 20:17 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: plus with en-us in my user agent, it would look like I am from the us, when I am not | Sep 25 20:17 |
hazzy | Yes! | Sep 25 20:17 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Keith & Peter Talking About X.Org Development: The 2010 X.Org Developers' Summit in Toulouse has been over for a w... http://bit.ly/9jv89b | Sep 25 20:17 | |
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sebsebseb | however for you its not realy any issue as such, because your American anyway | Sep 25 20:18 |
sebsebseb | and so meant to have en-us really | Sep 25 20:18 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: something else that I didn't like about Mandriva is localhost | Sep 25 20:18 |
sebsebseb | by default the hostname is loclahost, its pretty easy to change though, and I have done so before :) | Sep 25 20:18 |
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hazzy | Yeah, that annoys me somewhat too | Sep 25 20:18 |
sebsebseb | little type there, localhost | Sep 25 20:18 |
sebsebseb | and then when I put on Mandriva 2010.0 I had a great bug | Sep 25 20:19 |
sebsebseb | and well I got that in my vm's as well | Sep 25 20:19 |
sebsebseb | basically a message would come up saying that a new version was availalbe, and asking me if I wanted to upgrade to it, but it was the previous version | Sep 25 20:19 |
sebsebseb | that bug seems to have been fixed though | Sep 25 20:19 |
sebsebseb | since well I did a clean install of 2010.1 for example on the other computer, and didn't get that | Sep 25 20:20 |
hazzy | Oh, interesting | Sep 25 20:20 |
sebsebseb | yeah there was some stuff on the web about the bug I just mentioend and such or whatever | Sep 25 20:20 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: also when I put 2010.0 on, npviewer.bin (I think thats the correct name) would crash every now and again | Sep 25 20:20 |
sebsebseb | yeah Flash would crash every now and again, and I would get a bug report message, which I liked, since the picture of the bug :D | Sep 25 20:21 |
hazzy | Haha | Sep 25 20:21 |
bruce89 | bug-buddy? | Sep 25 20:21 |
sebsebseb | so yeah I got used to getting that sometimes, and closing the message and such | Sep 25 20:21 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: yeah I think thats it | Sep 25 20:22 |
sebsebseb | maybe | Sep 25 20:22 |
bruce89 | that is the GNOME thing | Sep 25 20:22 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: and I asked someone who knew Mandriva really well about that, and he basically said it was to do with how I was running i586 for the program, and not i686 | Sep 25 20:22 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: I could install a i686 from the repo to fix apparently, but I never did, but this issue seemed to get fixed later on its own :) so I assume after some sort of update I did | Sep 25 20:23 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: probably the Gnome thing, since I was getting it on Gnome | Sep 25 20:23 |
gnufreex | sebsebseb: I think whole 32-bit mandriva is i586 | Sep 25 20:23 |
sebsebseb | gnufreex: yes I know | Sep 25 20:23 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Harsh words from Iranian president at UN Assembly http://ur1.ca/1rsqn | Sep 25 20:24 | |
sebsebseb | and how Mandriva versions are done is a bit stupid really. | Sep 25 20:24 |
sebsebseb | One is only 32bit / i586 | Sep 25 20:24 |
gnufreex | sebsebseb: Just run x86_64 | Sep 25 20:25 |
gnufreex | :-) | Sep 25 20:25 |
sebsebseb | Free is both 32bit and 64bit | Sep 25 20:25 |
sebsebseb | Free and One aren't that differnet :) from what I been told | Sep 25 20:25 |
sebsebseb | however free is a DVD so can install both Gnome and KDE from it :D | Sep 25 20:25 |
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sebsebseb | oh we lost hazzy | Sep 25 20:25 |
sebsebseb | :( | Sep 25 20:26 |
bruce89 | lucky hazzy | Sep 25 20:26 |
sebsebseb | and Powerpack is pointless for most users it seems, from what people have told me on IRC | Sep 25 20:26 |
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sebsebseb | hazzy: welcome back | Sep 25 20:27 |
hazzy | Hm, I didn't know I disconnected | Sep 25 20:27 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: heh you probably didn't miss much really, but what was the las message you got from me? | Sep 25 20:27 |
hazzy | "yeah Flash would crash every now and again, and I would get a bug report message, which I liked, since the picture of the bug :D | Sep 25 20:28 |
hazzy | " | Sep 25 20:28 |
bruce89 | good lord | Sep 25 20:28 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: ok and then I basically said after that how I got used to that crashing, and that I asked someone about that and he told me the fix, install the i686 version of the program. and bruce89 was like the error message is bug-buddy? Then I started saying some stuff about the versions of Mandriva and how they are a bit silly. | Sep 25 20:29 |
bruce89 | how can you find yourself so utterly facinating? | Sep 25 20:30 |
sebsebseb | above how to fix, but I didn't, and it did on its own so, after some update I installed I guess | Sep 25 20:30 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: you missed some of this, but heh heh in a way | Sep 25 20:30 |
bruce89 | I mean missing a few seconds of IRC and you have to recap your brainless ranting | Sep 25 20:30 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: I was telling hazzy about little issues I had with Mandriva | Sep 25 20:30 |
sebsebseb | since hazzy now uses it | Sep 25 20:30 |
hazzy | Yeah | Sep 25 20:31 |
hazzy | Flash seems quite buggy | Sep 25 20:31 |
bruce89 | amongst other things | Sep 25 20:31 |
gnufreex | What do you guys think, what chip company is Larry buying? | Sep 25 20:31 |
hazzy | I'll be back later | Sep 25 20:31 |
sebsebseb | hazzy: and its good that Mageia will exist :) won't feel like on some cut down version this way. I mean like how if on Free or One basically do since Powerpack | Sep 25 20:32 |
bruce89 | "<xircon> ebassi|afk: Not there will search, there is a GL.conf (I am new to Ubuntu - Mandriva refugee :))" | Sep 25 20:33 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: wheres that? | Sep 25 20:33 |
bruce89 | another network | Sep 25 20:33 |
sebsebseb | oh so someone that went Mandriva to Ubuntu | Sep 25 20:33 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: well apparenty some Swedish people were thinking about switching to Mint, from something I read on the Mageia mailing list archeive | Sep 25 20:34 |
sebsebseb | ,because of the situtation with Mandriva | Sep 25 20:34 |
sebsebseb | gnufreex: AMD? ARM? | Sep 25 20:35 |
gnufreex | sebsebseb: Both of those would be disaster. | Sep 25 20:35 |
sebsebseb | gnufreex: Larry is the Intel guy right? | Sep 25 20:36 |
bruce89 | neither are chip makers | Sep 25 20:36 |
gnufreex | Larry is Larry guy. | Sep 25 20:36 |
bruce89 | designers, yes, not manufacturers | Sep 25 20:36 |
gnufreex | burce89: I think that is what Larry meant. He is to stupid to tell the diference. | Sep 25 20:37 |
bruce89 | fair enough | Sep 25 20:37 |
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gnufreex | AMD has deal to intel that all AMD patents go to Intel if AMD gets aquired. And AMD losses x86 license. | Sep 25 20:37 |
gnufreex | So larry would be only buying shell. | Sep 25 20:38 |
bruce89 | the way Intel are going recently is dodgy | Sep 25 20:38 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: yep | Sep 25 20:38 |
bruce89 | crippled chips that can be unlocked in Windows only, and suing people who use the HDCP master key | Sep 25 20:39 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Georgia county sues man for growing too many veggies: http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=13146141 #smallbiz | Sep 25 20:39 | |
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gnufreex | Here is the contract. http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/operations/ip/802.html | Sep 25 20:39 |
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sebsebseb | bruce89: oh I didn't know about that, but I did know about the bribeing Dell and so on, to not do AMD in their computers | Sep 25 20:40 |
gnufreex | I don't remember what eqact section it is, but if anybody get hold of 51% of AMD stock, Intel owns everything. | Sep 25 20:40 |
bruce89 | sounds nice | Sep 25 20:41 |
sebsebseb | which? | Sep 25 20:41 |
bruce89 | both really | Sep 25 20:42 |
sebsebseb | oh ok | Sep 25 20:42 |
gnufreex | 6. EFFECTIVE DATE, TERM AND TERMINATION FOR CAUSE | Sep 25 20:42 |
gnufreex | Section 6. | Sep 25 20:42 |
gnufreex | Read | Sep 25 20:42 |
gnufreex | (7) the other party undergoes a Change of Control. For | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | purposes of this Section 6.2(b)(7), "Change of Control" | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | shall mean a transaction or a series of related | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | transactions in which (i) one or more related parties | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | who did not previously own at least a fifty percent | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | (50%) interest in a party to this Agreement obtain at | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | least a fifty percent (50%) interest in such party, and, | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | in the reasonable business judgment of the other party | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | to this Agreement, such change in ownership will have a | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | material effect on the other party's business, or (ii) a | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | party acquires, by merger, acquisition of assets or | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | otherwise, all or any portion of another legal entity | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | such that either the assets or market value of such | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | party after the close of such transaction are greater | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | than one and one third (1 1/3) of the assets or market | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | value of such party prior to such transaction. | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | 6.3. Survival. The provisions of Sections 1, 2, 4.5, 5, 6.3, 7 and 9 will | Sep 25 20:44 |
gnufreex | Oh crap | Sep 25 20:44 |
sebsebseb | nice flooding bruce89 will love that D | Sep 25 20:45 |
sebsebseb | :D | Sep 25 20:45 |
sebsebseb | he also might wonder if you know about pastebin :D | Sep 25 20:46 |
gnufreex | Stupid Intel and AMD, they can't even write legal papers without breaking IRC. | Sep 25 20:46 |
gnufreex | sebsebseb: Section 6.2 on the link that I posted before. | Sep 25 20:46 |
gnufreex | Here is it again. http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/operations/ip/802.html | Sep 25 20:47 |
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sebsebseb | gnufreex: whatever this is about, probably doesn't really effect me as such | Sep 25 20:47 |
gnufreex | sebsebseb: If AMD goes under or gets aquired, Intel has 100% of the market. I think it afects everyone :-) | Sep 25 20:48 |
sebsebseb | oh right yeah, good point | Sep 25 20:49 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @chriswaterguy When I see, in !Firefox 4, "The Adobe Flash plugin has crashed," my gut reaction is "Yay!" I wish #Flash would just di ... | Sep 25 20:49 | |
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sebsebseb | and as far as I know Intel are like Microsoft at times | Sep 25 20:50 |
gnufreex | And... nobody is will have legal right to compete. That is even worse. | Sep 25 20:50 |
sebsebseb | so yep that woudn't be a good thing really | Sep 25 20:50 |
sebsebseb | nobody would have legal right to compete? | Sep 25 20:50 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Do I feel bad. My litlebrother wanted my help installing !Fedora, and I was to bussy, and now he have installed XP 64bit. So sad... | Sep 25 20:51 | |
gnufreex | sebsebseb: Intel has x86 patents. Nobody can make x86 chips if intel don't give them a license. | Sep 25 20:52 |
sebsebseb | gnufreex: ok well I think legally that woudn't be alloweed | Sep 25 20:52 |
sebsebseb | for Intel to have 100% of the market and then do that | Sep 25 20:52 |
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gnufreex | They already did that. | Sep 25 20:53 |
sebsebseb | uhmm? | Sep 25 20:53 |
Ender2070 | doesn't give me a lot of faith im AMD's survival | Sep 25 20:53 |
sebsebseb | however Intel is in USA, and well we know what USA can be like | Sep 25 20:53 |
sebsebseb | software patents and so on | Sep 25 20:53 |
gnufreex | AMD got license thorught courd. They bet the company on lawsuit. | Sep 25 20:53 |
gnufreex | And won. | Sep 25 20:53 |
gnufreex | In 1998 | Sep 25 20:53 |
gnufreex | I tihnk | Sep 25 20:53 |
sebsebseb | and I guess the American goverment and so on, have pretty much acceppted Microsoft as a sort of monoplogy, so why not Intel in the future as well? | Sep 25 20:54 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] I just hop he will give !Fedora another chance. He keept mumbling about his dvd with M$ driver didn't work. Pure kid. Welcome to the kernel. | Sep 25 20:54 | |
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sebsebseb | anyway thats the problem | Sep 25 20:55 |
gnufreex | US gov. will accept any monopoly as long is American company and pays mayority of taxes in US. | Sep 25 20:55 |
sebsebseb | I mean this is the problem when companies run stuff | Sep 25 20:55 |
sebsebseb | companies can = problems | Sep 25 20:55 |
sebsebseb | simple as that | Sep 25 20:55 |
gnufreex | Monopoly is not illegal in US. | Sep 25 20:55 |
gnufreex | Abusing monopoly supose to be illegal. | Sep 25 20:55 |
sebsebseb | gnufreex: right, but a competting company could set up else where, where Intel's patents do not apply? | Sep 25 20:56 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Well sleep tight, hop the nitgh forgive me. !Fedora I love you and also my littlebrother.. | Sep 25 20:56 | |
gnufreex | But when company has monopoly, it has money to do brain control, ie astroturfing, bribing politicians. | Sep 25 20:56 |
sebsebseb | ,but then that competiting company woudn't be able to have their products sold on teh US market? | Sep 25 20:56 |
gnufreex | yes. | Sep 25 20:56 |
sebsebseb | USA is messed up anyway | Sep 25 20:57 |
sebsebseb | and people could buy another proccesser from abroad? | Sep 25 20:57 |
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sebsebseb | sadly a lot of this world likes to follow USA, so we got capitalism, consumerism, and money issues | Sep 25 20:57 |
sebsebseb | USA the big capitalist country, and there are a lot of problems as well | Sep 25 20:58 |
sebsebseb | ,but I don't really follow this kind of st uff | Sep 25 20:59 |
sebsebseb | anyway whats the big deal really if USA is forced to use Intel, but other counteries can use another one? | Sep 25 21:00 |
gnufreex | USA has is extremist country when it comes to capitlism. I don't think capitalism is bad, but Americans are extremists when it comest to regulations. They think any regulations are socialism and they think that socialism equals communism. That is deeply flawed. | Sep 25 21:00 |
sebsebseb | gnufreex: communism has differnet meanings | Sep 25 21:01 |
gnufreex | sebsebseb: I know. Socialism and communism are not same things. | Sep 25 21:02 |
gnufreex | Typical americans think they are same things | Sep 25 21:02 |
gnufreex | There are socialist partys in europe, and they have been (and are) in power in many countries. | Sep 25 21:03 |
gnufreex | It has nothing to do with comunism | Sep 25 21:03 |
ThistleWeb | capitalism itself isn't a bad thing, but an unbalanced capitalism is, it's also not the solution for every problem as some seem to believe it is | Sep 25 21:03 |
Ender2070 | socialism has plenty to do with communism | Sep 25 21:03 |
Ender2070 | read the manifesto, nub | Sep 25 21:04 |
ThistleWeb | the balance in capitalism is customer choice, when the company fails, customers choose the competition | Sep 25 21:04 |
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ThistleWeb | when you remove that choice, the balance is not there | Sep 25 21:04 |
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ThistleWeb | they are still customers by the fact that they give money to private corps for goods or services, but if there is a defacto monopoly, there is no choice | Sep 25 21:05 |
Ender2070 | communism is socialism in a hurry\ | Sep 25 21:05 |
gnufreex | Ender2070: Communism goes packed with socialsim. Socialism doen't need to go with communism. It can go with capitalism. | Sep 25 21:05 |
Ender2070 | -stalin | Sep 25 21:05 |
gnufreex | /go/come | Sep 25 21:06 |
ThistleWeb | however you want to cut it, no system is the ideal solution for everything | Sep 25 21:06 |
ThistleWeb | every debate / argument I've seen seems to think that one system must be chose to cover everything | Sep 25 21:07 |
ThistleWeb | there's also no clean example to praise or demonise as any system | Sep 25 21:08 |
ThistleWeb | the US / UK version of rich getting richer, unadulterated greed is not a good system | Sep 25 21:09 |
gnufreex | ThistleWeb: That is what anoys me. Communism usually goes together with dictatorship and socialism. But you can have dictatorship standalone. You can have socialsim without communism. | Sep 25 21:10 |
ThistleWeb | there is no ideal example | Sep 25 21:10 |
gnufreex | There is nothing ideal. | Sep 25 21:10 |
ThistleWeb | what we do have is history littered with corrupted examples from those in power at the time, seeking to twist it to their own gain | Sep 25 21:10 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I had two energy drinks today. Now I feel sick... :( | Sep 25 21:11 | |
ThistleWeb | we also have the demonisation / evangelism - black / white portrayal in the media of various systems too | Sep 25 21:11 |
ThistleWeb | always from the angle of self interest | Sep 25 21:12 |
gnufreex | I thought USA will go down with economic crysis. | Sep 25 21:13 |
gnufreex | They are so hard against goverment intervention, tha I thought they will let empire crumble just because they tink intervention is communism. | Sep 25 21:14 |
gnufreex | But I guess Obama is communist. | Sep 25 21:14 |
gnufreex | By US standards. | Sep 25 21:15 |
sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: before this we were talking about how Intel may buy AMD or something like that | Sep 25 21:15 |
sebsebseb | and then own 100% of the market | Sep 25 21:15 |
sebsebseb | one thing lead to another | Sep 25 21:15 |
gnufreex | ThistleWeb: I was thinking about Obama givig money to the banks who started the crisis in first place. | Sep 25 21:16 |
ThistleWeb | I prediect that they'll kick enough sand in peoples faces, that they'll increase the resentment of themselves, whuich will increase paranoia, and therefor increase defence spending, to the point where they're beseiged and bankrupt with no friends willing to help them. Already there's a LOT of US "friends" are only freinds like a bullies gang, easier to smile and agree than be targetted | Sep 25 21:16 |
ThistleWeb | when the strength ebbs away and the threat of attack to force people into line, they will abandon the US to its self inflicted fate | Sep 25 21:17 |
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ThistleWeb | I'd expect not even a corrupt anti competition committee would allow intel to buy amd | Sep 25 21:18 |
gnufreex | ThistleWeb: It is not about Intel buying AMD. | Sep 25 21:18 |
gnufreex | It is about Oracle buying AMD and trigering Intel's viral contract. | Sep 25 21:19 |
gnufreex | If anyone buys AMD, Intel owns the market. | Sep 25 21:19 |
ThistleWeb | intel;s viral contract? | Sep 25 21:19 |
gnufreex | AMD losses x86(-64) license if gets aquired. | Sep 25 21:20 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: Whats upgrading Fedora like? | Sep 25 21:20 |
sebsebseb | Goes ok? | Sep 25 21:20 |
gnufreex | I posted the link to contract twice above. ThistleWeb. | Sep 25 21:20 |
sebsebseb | I mean maybe i'll do Ubuntu 10.10 for a bit, put Fedora 13 on soonish after, and then upgrade to Fedora 14, when it comes out | Sep 25 21:20 |
gnufreex | To the public part of the contract, that is. | Sep 25 21:20 |
gnufreex | There are censored parts. | Sep 25 21:21 |
bruce89 | pretty nivcve | Sep 25 21:21 |
bruce89 | preupgrade | Sep 25 21:21 |
ThistleWeb | which would get some intervention by the various anti-competiton committees | Sep 25 21:21 |
gnufreex | I don't think so. Why would do that when did nothing to Microsoft? | Sep 25 21:23 |
bruce89 | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Preupgrade | Sep 25 21:23 |
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ThistleWeb | microsoft wouldnt ever have 100% of the market | Sep 25 21:24 |
ThistleWeb | unix / linux and osx exist | Sep 25 21:24 |
gnufreex | Also, ARM, POWER and SPARC exist. | Sep 25 21:25 |
ThistleWeb | if those conditions exist, then it'd be a case for "too big to fail" | Sep 25 21:25 |
gnufreex | It wouldn't be exacly 100% of whole CPU market. | Sep 25 21:25 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: do you have your name on the top right in Fedora at all? | Sep 25 21:25 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: I was just seeing someones screenshot, and he does | Sep 25 21:26 |
bruce89 | yes | Sep 25 21:26 |
bruce89 | that's fusa, not some patch | Sep 25 21:26 |
sebsebseb | if I remember correcty though yes there is that, but yep shut down and log out in system menu | Sep 25 21:26 |
bruce89 | yes | Sep 25 21:26 |
sebsebseb | yep Ubuntu's patch brakes that really | Sep 25 21:26 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: if clicking fusa though, its also a way to switch off? | Sep 25 21:28 |
sebsebseb | according to this other guy it is | Sep 25 21:29 |
bruce89 | no | Sep 25 21:29 |
bruce89 | in GNOME-shell, sort of, but that's in shell, not fusa | Sep 25 21:29 |
gnufreex | [22:24:25] <ThistleWeb> if those conditions exist, then it'd be a case for "too big to fail" | Sep 25 21:29 |
gnufreex | I don't understand this one. | Sep 25 21:29 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Another domino in net censorship http://ur1.ca/1rt9x | Sep 25 21:29 | |
sebsebseb | ah ok | Sep 25 21:29 |
ThistleWeb | gnufreex: I mean they have a case to ask for some protection / funding etc to avoid ebing bough, if being bought hands the market to one company | Sep 25 21:30 |
bruce89 | technically, I think it's gdm-user-switch-applet | Sep 25 21:32 |
sebsebseb | bruce89: oh ok | Sep 25 21:33 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] saturday night: it's homework! #vdm | Sep 25 21:41 | |
gnufreex | ThistleWeb: That would be "too important to fail". I don't see that happening. If AMD don't start making profit soon, they are dead. | Sep 25 21:42 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ahhh...I am really getting my butt kicked in DragonQuest 9, need to level up more! | Sep 25 21:47 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Lightspark's Advanced Graphics Engine Progresses: For those interested in the state of the "advanced graphics engi... http://bit.ly/dmZ81t | Sep 25 21:49 | |
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sebsebseb | bruce89: I read a comment on omgubuntu earlier that basicaly said that the humphrey guy, likes fragmentation when it comes to anything, because it means competition and inovation | Sep 25 21:55 |
sebsebseb | or when it comes to nearly anything | Sep 25 21:55 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 25/9/2010: The 5 Dollar !KDE Challenge, Etc. http://techrights.org/2010/09/25/dollar-kde-challenge/ | Sep 25 22:01 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Lightspark's Advanced Graphics Engine Progresses http://ping.fm/B5wQb | Sep 25 22:01 | |
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schestowitz | [19:31] * amarsh04 is writing to info at linuxfoundation dot org - their use of the term "intellectual property" is Free software - hostile | Sep 25 22:07 |
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schestowitz | That's like telling IBM you don't like their patents :-) | Sep 25 22:07 |
amarsh04 | hehe, but if the Linux Foundation wants to be credible with Free Software people, they should avoid woolly terms that FSF has identifed as causing problems | Sep 25 22:09 |
gnufreex | I noticed that LF is hostile to FSF. | Sep 25 22:10 |
gnufreex | Especialy their only employee | Sep 25 22:10 |
gnufreex | Linus Torvalds. | Sep 25 22:10 |
MinceR | Linus is hostile to the FSF? | Sep 25 22:10 |
gnufreex | Hell yeah | Sep 25 22:10 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] #Facebook instant personalization has security flaws http://is.gd/fsXY4 #diaspora !gnu #gnusocial !fsfe | Sep 25 22:11 | |
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hazzy | Only because Linus and RMS have different ideals | Sep 25 22:12 |
gnufreex | Read his comments on groklaw about GPLv3 some years ago. Same rhetorics as Microsoft. | Sep 25 22:12 |
gnufreex | Read Linux devs position statement on GPLv3. pure FUD and lies. | Sep 25 22:12 |
MinceR | where is that position statement? | Sep 25 22:13 |
gnufreex | http://lwn.net/Articles/200422/ | Sep 25 22:13 |
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gnufreex | Microsoft uses that to spread FUD against GPLv3 | Sep 25 22:13 |
gnufreex | "Even linux people agree with us" | Sep 25 22:14 |
gnufreex | And that position statement was released before GPLv3 was final. They didn't bother to change it when they got some stuff they wanted. | Sep 25 22:16 |
MinceR | ic | Sep 25 22:16 |
MinceR | they don't see any issue with the ballnux deals | Sep 25 22:17 |
MinceR | and they want to retain the "freedom" to take users' freedom away via tivoization and such nasty tricks | Sep 25 22:17 |
Ender2070 | There is no ideal government type | Sep 25 22:17 |
gnufreex | People who see issues are demoted in line of command. Who oposes to Linus openly, get alienated. | Sep 25 22:17 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The famous Mr Ed in change of the Labour party? Is he brother Tweedle Dee? or Tweedle Dum? | Sep 25 22:17 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Well, more of the same old then, smug upper class spivs in charge of all 3 main parties | Sep 25 22:17 | |
Ender2070 | government itself is a form of control, even mind control | Sep 25 22:17 |
MinceR | government is a scam | Sep 25 22:18 |
MinceR | along with the "social contract" | Sep 25 22:18 |
Ender2070 | socialism isnt that answer | Sep 25 22:18 |
Ender2070 | socialists are just as greedy as capitalists | Sep 25 22:18 |
MinceR | indeed | Sep 25 22:18 |
MinceR | socialism is just an excuse for the government to own everything | Sep 25 22:18 |
Ender2070 | yes I agree | Sep 25 22:19 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Free for a limited time: 13 new songs this week: http://amzn.to/cM0KOl | Sep 25 22:19 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Queue every !Labour politician seeking a cabinet job all to line up to heap praise on the new deity in town, claiming everyone is united etc | Sep 25 22:19 | |
Ender2070 | and the biggest socialists in the world right now are rich elite | Sep 25 22:19 |
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schestowitz | [20:09] <hazzy> Hm, why does Firefox en-gb ship with Mandriva en-us? > when I installed it in 2008 it came up in Russian | Sep 25 22:20 |
Ender2070 | marx was funded by the same bankers he claimed to dispise | Sep 25 22:20 |
Ender2070 | the organization Fabian Socialism, as a royal charter from the queen | Sep 25 22:21 |
*sebsebseb hasn't been in any Ubuntu channels for about a week, (unless Jono's ustream counts) I feel great! | Sep 25 22:21 | |
Ender2070 | so she can't hate it, lol | Sep 25 22:21 |
Ender2070 | cant get much more elite than the royal family | Sep 25 22:21 |
sebsebseb | so just under a week or just over | Sep 25 22:21 |
gnufreex | MinceR: For exaple, Alan Cox argued in favor of GPLv3. He got abused by Torvalds and forced to stop being maintainer of TTY layer. | Sep 25 22:21 |
Ender2070 | ?? | Sep 25 22:21 |
MinceR | what i don't get is if the linux devs want to serve companies and their lawyer armies so obediently and like sw patents and tivoization so much, why don't they release all their code into the public domain? | Sep 25 22:22 |
MinceR | gnufreex: ic | Sep 25 22:22 |
MinceR | gnufreex: this kind of news doesn't really show up anywhere | Sep 25 22:22 |
hazzy | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/09/25/0413236/UK-Anti-Piracy-Firm-E-mails-Reveal-Cavalier-Attitude-Toward-Legal-Threats | Sep 25 22:22 |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] PS3 hackage continues! http://ur1.ca/1rtq2 (via @slashdot) | Sep 25 22:22 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just spent 5 straight hours having a stimulating talk with a nice couple, now need to catch up with loads of missed news... | Sep 25 22:22 | |
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Ender2070 | if the Linux devs cared they'd call it GNU/Linux too | Sep 25 22:23 |
gnufreex | Linux kernel shouldn't be called GNU/Linux. Just the system. Since they only work on kernel, they coud get around that. | Sep 25 22:24 |
MinceR | indeed | Sep 25 22:24 |
gnufreex | But then they EEED | Sep 25 22:24 |
gnufreex | "Let's just call whole thing Linux" | Sep 25 22:25 |
MinceR | who called GNU/Linux "Linux" first? | Sep 25 22:25 |
Ender2070 | yeah | Sep 25 22:25 |
Ender2070 | it never used to be just called Linux | Sep 25 22:25 |
Ender2070 | look at Slackware X/GNU/Linux | Sep 25 22:26 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Afghan election worse than last time http://ur1.ca/1rtqs | Sep 25 22:26 | |
MinceR | hmm, apparently some of the first distros only had "Linux" in their name | Sep 25 22:27 |
MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Linux_distribution#History | Sep 25 22:27 |
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gnufreex | Yggdrasil Linux/GNU/X | Sep 25 22:27 |
Ender2070 | oh my memory is bad | Sep 25 22:27 |
Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil_Linux/GNU/X | Sep 25 22:27 |
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gnufreex | Debian GNU/Linux | Sep 25 22:27 |
Ender2070 | it was yggdrasil | Sep 25 22:27 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @appelond dual-boot for the brother for now | Sep 25 22:27 | |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @gnufreex it's the right thing to do in order to stay focused | Sep 25 22:27 | |
schestowitz | [22:09] <amarsh04> hehe, but if the Linux Foundation wants to be credible with Free Software people, they should avoid woolly terms that FSF has identifed as causing problems | Sep 25 22:30 |
schestowitz | But LF is mainly IBM et al | Sep 25 22:31 |
schestowitz | Intel, Novell, etc | Sep 25 22:31 |
Ender2070 | lol | Sep 25 22:31 |
Ender2070 | I wouldn't take the FSF's word at 100% | Sep 25 22:31 |
schestowitz | They all "respect" "intellectual" "property" (two propaganda words in a row) | Sep 25 22:31 |
Ender2070 | RMS tried telling me China was run by facists, not communists | Sep 25 22:31 |
Ender2070 | out of touch a little | Sep 25 22:32 |
schestowitz | [22:10] <gnufreex> Especialy their only employee | Sep 25 22:32 |
schestowitz | They have more | Sep 25 22:32 |
Ender2070 | he threw me the one liner - "facism is when governments deal with big business, so china is facist" | Sep 25 22:32 |
schestowitz | Zemlin, McPherson, that Jennifer lady... | Sep 25 22:32 |
gnufreex | schestowitz: I meant only developer. | Sep 25 22:32 |
Ender2070 | meanwhile, communism loves big business too | Sep 25 22:32 |
MinceR | well, the areas that make Red China successful now aren't run on communism | Sep 25 22:33 |
Ender2070 | so does big business | Sep 25 22:33 |
schestowitz | LF says it was created to pay Linus, but just like the OIN, there are a couple dozen involved | Sep 25 22:33 |
MinceR | if you want to see where "communism" leads countries, see what happened to the USSR and the "Eastern Bloc" | Sep 25 22:33 |
Ender2070 | corporations love communism, they have that totalitarian dictator forcing their stuff through | Sep 25 22:33 |
schestowitz | [22:12] <hazzy> Only because Linus and RMS have different ideals | Sep 25 22:33 |
schestowitz | /s/Linus and// | Sep 25 22:33 |
schestowitz | /s/differenty// | Sep 25 22:33 |
MinceR | in "communism", the government _owns_ those corporations | Sep 25 22:34 |
MinceR | afaik it doesn't in Red Chine | Sep 25 22:34 |
MinceR | s/ne/na/ | Sep 25 22:34 |
Ender2070 | not every communist country follows marx 100% | Sep 25 22:34 |
gnufreex | Ender2070: Stallman might be right about Chinese govermant being fachists. | Sep 25 22:34 |
schestowitz | [22:13] <gnufreex> Microsoft uses that to spread FUD against GPLv3 | Sep 25 22:34 |
schestowitz | True | Sep 25 22:34 |
MinceR | so what makes them "communist"? | Sep 25 22:34 |
Ender2070 | some factioned off because they were trotskists | Sep 25 22:34 |
MinceR | their propaganda? | Sep 25 22:34 |
schestowitz | Microsoft grooms Linus quotes for 'pragmatism' | Sep 25 22:34 |
schestowitz | They love quoting him on the "Microsoft hatred" thing | Sep 25 22:35 |
Ender2070 | its what they label themselves, and they act the part | Sep 25 22:35 |
schestowitz | Maybe they'll send him and IE cake like they sent mozilla :-0 | Sep 25 22:35 |
MinceR | how do they groom quotes? select them? or provoke them? | Sep 25 22:35 |
MinceR | Ender2070: it doesn't seem to me like they act the part at all | Sep 25 22:35 |
Ender2070 | how about Linus giving Win7 thumbs up? linux haters love that one | Sep 25 22:35 |
MinceR | that's not how the "special economic zones" work afaik | Sep 25 22:35 |
Ender2070 | communism wasn't written in stone when marx worked on it | Sep 25 22:36 |
Ender2070 | they gotta make it compatible with the world bank system and the imf | Sep 25 22:37 |
MinceR | you aren't making much sense | Sep 25 22:37 |
Ender2070 | why not? | Sep 25 22:37 |
MinceR | you're trying to rid the word "communism" of all its meaning to apply it to Red China | Sep 25 22:37 |
Ender2070 | how so? | Sep 25 22:38 |
Ender2070 | it very much applies to Communist China | Sep 25 22:39 |
gnufreex | Ender2070: I already tried to explain earlier. Chinese goverment could be both Communists and facists. | Sep 25 22:39 |
MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Economic_Zone | Sep 25 22:39 |
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MinceR | there's hardly any communism to that idea | Sep 25 22:39 |
Ender2070 | i'm not following along with your heigelian dialectic | Sep 25 22:39 |
Ender2070 | does communism ban that? | Sep 25 22:41 |
MinceR | "private ownership" doesn't exactly fit into "communism" | Sep 25 22:41 |
Ender2070 | umm why not? | Sep 25 22:42 |
Ender2070 | you're not allowed to own land | Sep 25 22:42 |
Ender2070 | doesnt say you cant own objects | Sep 25 22:42 |
Ender2070 | in fact they specifically had to ban inheritance because its assumed you can still own things | Sep 25 22:42 |
MinceR | communism aims for communal ownership of the means of production | Sep 25 22:42 |
MinceR | corporations are means of production (and own means of production) | Sep 25 22:43 |
Ender2070 | centralized means of production | Sep 25 22:43 |
MinceR | privately owned corporations are the antithesis of that idea | Sep 25 22:43 |
MinceR | also, communism comes with planned economy | Sep 25 22:43 |
amarsh04 | after hearing how many people died due to mao zedong's policies, communism or not I would look more at how a society looked after people | Sep 25 22:43 |
MinceR | what happens in the SEZs is not planned economy at all | Sep 25 22:43 |
gnufreex | You can't have private and public companies in real communism. | Sep 25 22:43 |
Ender2070 | the planned encomy is offset to the UN though | Sep 25 22:44 |
MinceR | what do you mean? | Sep 25 22:44 |
Ender2070 | you cant have your own econmy if you want to trade with other countries | Sep 25 22:44 |
Ender2070 | UN/Worldbank/IMF | Sep 25 22:44 |
MinceR | that's not exactly true | Sep 25 22:44 |
MinceR | for instance, you don't have to deal with the IMF at all if you don't have to | Sep 25 22:45 |
MinceR | obviously if you owe them money they will control you | Sep 25 22:45 |
MinceR | but you don't have to owe them money | Sep 25 22:45 |
Ender2070 | its hard not to owe them money | Sep 25 22:45 |
Ender2070 | all our politicians love them | Sep 25 22:45 |
MinceR | indeed | Sep 25 22:45 |
MinceR | hard, but possible | Sep 25 22:45 |
Ender2070 | the bank of canada for example | Sep 25 22:45 |
Ender2070 | it only prints 2% of our money | Sep 25 22:46 |
Ender2070 | the rest is borrowed | Sep 25 22:46 |
MinceR | also, IMF controls don't result in planned economy | Sep 25 22:46 |
Ender2070 | there will be a centralized econmy for the whole world | Sep 25 22:46 |
MinceR | market forces still control most of those economies | Sep 25 22:46 |
Ender2070 | china doesnt need its own | Sep 25 22:46 |
MinceR | competition is important. in communism, there's practically no competition in the market. | Sep 25 22:47 |
Ender2070 | plus, they need to make exceptions in china | Sep 25 22:47 |
Ender2070 | in order to kill the US's manufacturing job | Sep 25 22:47 |
Ender2070 | look at the GATT treaty | Sep 25 22:47 |
Ender2070 | the west got to pay to move the factories over to china, to put all our jobs there | Sep 25 22:48 |
Ender2070 | who said China would be the manufacturing hub of the world? | Sep 25 22:48 |
Ender2070 | I *think* it was marx | Sep 25 22:49 |
Ender2070 | you know what tho, Agenda 21 = communist manifesto | Sep 25 22:51 |
Ender2070 | taking peoples land rights away for THE ENVIRONMENT111!11! | Sep 25 22:51 |
Ender2070 | im reading trudeau's book right now | Sep 25 22:55 |
Ender2070 | he is a self professed socialist, and he praises Mao, Fidel Castro, Stalin, etc | Sep 25 22:55 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/25471382595 "@tmarble Your question about OIN and Oracle is right on. I posted a comment in that regard to a NetworkWorld blog" | Sep 25 22:58 |
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schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/25475403829 | Sep 25 22:59 |
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schestowitz | "You can't outvote the law by emailing a #patent office." | Sep 25 22:59 |
schestowitz | FSF tries to eliminate software patents, Microsoft Florian slams FSF by calling them "spammers". This is anti- #swpats campaigner??? | Sep 25 23:00 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] FSF tries to eliminate software patents, Microsoft Florian slams FSF by calling them "spammers". This is anti- #swpats campaigner??? | Sep 25 23:01 | |
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] via @timbray@twitter.com Do you hate software patents? If so, you have until Monday to tell the USPTO: http://goo.gl/V7lg Please RT! | Sep 25 23:04 | |
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Ender2070 | hes an outlook user | Sep 25 23:06 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @FFII re wikileaks, see who helps them with hosting. Former Microsoft link... | Sep 25 23:06 | |
Ender2070 | i wonder what FLOSS he even likes | Sep 25 23:06 |
MinceR | none | Sep 25 23:06 |
Ender2070 | probably firefox | Sep 25 23:06 |
Ender2070 | and thats it | Sep 25 23:06 |
MinceR | m$ florian likes firefox? | Sep 25 23:06 |
MinceR | he should be using IE | Sep 25 23:06 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @FFII say more directly the relations you're suggesing you see there | Sep 25 23:09 | |
ThistleWeb | maybe someone's renamed his firefox to IE, changed the shortcut icons etc so he thinks his IE is nice and stable when he's actually using firefox | Sep 25 23:09 |
MinceR | lol | Sep 25 23:10 |
schestowitz | It gives him credibility | Sep 25 23:11 |
schestowitz | "FOSS"patents | Sep 25 23:11 |
schestowitz | He brags and flaunts about it | Sep 25 23:11 |
schestowitz | Scoble did the same when he was a paid Microsoft AstorTurfer | Sep 25 23:11 |
schestowitz | BillG installed Firefox | Sep 25 23:11 |
schestowitz | Likewise, FFII has at least one person boasting about Vista | Sep 25 23:12 |
schestowitz | And joking he'd get a Zune | Sep 25 23:12 |
gnufreex | "FOSS patents" as in "FOSS [infriges our] patents" | Sep 25 23:12 |
schestowitz | This way he's not seen as pro-FOSS | Sep 25 23:12 |
schestowitz | just anti-swpats | Sep 25 23:12 |
Ender2070 | what FOSS does he like then? | Sep 25 23:12 |
schestowitz | But he's sincere about Vista | Sep 25 23:12 |
schestowitz | The dead one | Sep 25 23:12 |
ThistleWeb | oh, I was looking at Drupal install profiles, and found one developed by MS for NGO's with all sorts of bin / msn integration | Sep 25 23:13 |
schestowitz | Not potentFOSS | Sep 25 23:13 |
ThistleWeb | bing* | Sep 25 23:13 |
schestowitz | BING is OPEN SOURCE! | Sep 25 23:13 |
schestowitz | It uses something that's kind of like almost like visible for reading... somewhere | Sep 25 23:13 |
schestowitz | Google "bing open source" | Sep 25 23:13 |
schestowitz | They did a whole PR BS about it in 2009 | Sep 25 23:13 |
ThistleWeb | I was gonna try it, although I had no use for the MSN / Bing modules until I noticed it had the Microsoft seal of approval on it | Sep 25 23:14 |
ThistleWeb | which then explained hte choice of modules they went for | Sep 25 23:14 |
*MinceR DDGs it instead :> | Sep 25 23:15 | |
Ender2070 | NGO's? | Sep 25 23:15 |
Ender2070 | lol funny how ms is helping them | Sep 25 23:15 |
schestowitz | they help Microsoft | Sep 25 23:16 |
schestowitz | PR | Sep 25 23:16 |
ThistleWeb | I'll find the link, hang on | Sep 25 23:16 |
schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, NGO helps Microsoft | Sep 25 23:17 |
ThistleWeb | it's a drupal install profile that people or organisations can use to create websites, that happen to be focussed on NGO stuff, and integrated with MS stuff | Sep 25 23:17 |
schestowitz | Microsoft made a moodle component to do such a thing to | Sep 25 23:17 |
schestowitz | self benefit | Sep 25 23:17 |
schestowitz | Fog Computing for the most part, e.g. hotmail integration | Sep 25 23:18 |
ThistleWeb | some install profiles are pretty cool, many are proper FOSS, thois one happens to have the MS connection | Sep 25 23:18 |
ThistleWeb | http://drupal.org/project/dango << sorry "sponsored by Microsoft" | Sep 25 23:20 |
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ThistleWeb | install profiles usually list the modules they integrate, and the choice of bing made me curious | Sep 25 23:21 |
ThistleWeb | I'd imagine the fundraising / newsletter parts would be ready set up to fire off multiple copies of whatever MS agenda they're talking about to politicans | Sep 25 23:22 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Heading out to tonight's gig at Poe's Pub in Richmond. | Sep 25 23:22 | |
ThistleWeb | "please make ooxml the open document standard and avoid this closed source odf" etc | Sep 25 23:22 |
ThistleWeb | drupal install profiles are kinda iffy at the best of times, before you add Microsoft's quirks into the mix | Sep 25 23:25 |
Ender2070 | drupal was a pain to work with | Sep 25 23:26 |
ThistleWeb | some parts can be yes | Sep 25 23:26 |
ThistleWeb | I do like some of the ideas behind some install profiles, but the results are a tad flaky | Sep 25 23:27 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: workplace safety http://ur1.ca/1ru4f | Sep 25 23:27 | |
ThistleWeb | I've still to try drupal commons | Sep 25 23:28 |
amarsh04 | comment from grub maintainer: weird_not_ours_bugs_reported_in_this_week++; | Sep 25 23:28 |
MinceR | cout << weird_not_ours_bugs_reported_in_this_week << endl; | Sep 25 23:31 |
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Language Identification and it’s state in Free Software http://ping.fm/R3k0R | Sep 25 23:34 | |
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bruce89 | compare the meerkat | Sep 25 23:42 |
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