Techrights logo

IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: September 25th, 2010

Join us now at the IRC channel.

-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Mozilla Seabird: A Community-driven Mobile Phone Concept. I want this, now www.reddit.com/tb/dijfb !openmoko !freerunnerSep 25 00:01
MinceRgnSep 25 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatteron/@themadhatteron] Microsoft Death Watch - Confirmation From Dave Newman http://bit.ly/c7IuKpSep 25 00:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Microsoft Death Watch  Confirmation From Dave Newman .::. Size~: 152.98 KBSep 25 00:04
hazzyFrom Techrights: "Microsoft Wants to Cut off Air Supply of Anti-virus Business": why?Sep 25 00:05
*hazzy has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)Sep 25 00:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] The Outlaws are back! Just released: Linux Outlaws 166 - Narwhals in Your Head >> http://ur1.ca/1rjvqSep 25 00:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux Outlaws 166 - Narwhals in Your Head — we aim to misbehave .::. Size~: 20.08 KBSep 25 00:11
sebsebsebAnyone tried Internet Explorer 9 yet? :dSep 25 00:11
bruce89<tumbleweed>Sep 25 00:12
*ThistleWeb (~gordon@87.112.17.166.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 00:13
*ThistleWeb has quit (Changing host)Sep 25 00:13
*ThistleWeb (~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #techrightsSep 25 00:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Benitez legacy? Turn an almost winning squad into a squad of poor players to get rid of. Is that what !Inter got him to do for them?Sep 25 00:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Firefox 4.0 Removes The Statusbar But Adds A New Add-on Bar; New Stand-Alone Profile Manager On The Way http://ur1.ca/1rk0n (via @webupd8)Sep 25 00:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Firefox 4.0 Removes The Statusbar But Adds A New Add-on Bar; New Stand-Alone Profile Manager On The Way ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 70.62 KBSep 25 00:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !FSF and #EFF Challenge Software Patents at the USPTO, Nature (Journal) Wants #EPO to be Like #USPTO http://ur1.ca/1rk2c #swpatsSep 25 00:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @fabsh Since it's Ada Lovelace Day, I want to thank some awesome women: @mairin @lauracowen @mossgarden @czajkowski @bobobex @binaryl ...Sep 25 00:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: FSF and EFF Challenge Software Patents at the USPTO, Nature (Journal) Wants EPO to be Like USPTO, and Patent Trolls Roam Free in Land of the Free | Techrights .::. Size~: 109.27 KBSep 25 00:29
*hazzy (~jared@c-68-41-59-20.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 00:38
hazzyWow, Mandriva has actually come a long way since I last used it at the end of 2008Sep 25 00:48
*ThistleWeb has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)Sep 25 00:54
hazzyhttp://www.themobicrunch.com/2010/09/release-date-of-samsung-galaxy-tab-is-delayedSep 25 01:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Release Date Of Samsung Galaxy Tab Is Delayed | MobiCrunch .::. Size~: 30.49 KBSep 25 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Scenes from China - The Big Picture http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/09/scenes_from_china.html#photo38 #chinaSep 25 01:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @schestowitz !FSF and #EFF Challenge Software Patents at the USPTO, Nature (Journal) Wants #EPO to be Like #USPTO http://ur1.ca/1rk2 ...Sep 25 01:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Scenes from China - The Big Picture - Boston.com .::. Size~: 79.99 KBSep 25 01:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Twitter / Robert Scoble: It's too bad Hulu and Boxe ... .::. Size~: 12.53 KBSep 25 01:04
cubevectorgood article re: Microsoft Death WatchSep 25 01:05
cubevectorexactly what I've been thinking of lateSep 25 01:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A photo tour of the Mozilla offices in Mountain View, California http://ur1.ca/1rh50 #mozilla #firefoxSep 25 01:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A photo tour of the Mozilla offices in Mountain View, California .::. Size~: 63.31 KBSep 25 01:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GCHQ spooks top UK !Linux installations http://ur1.ca/1rked Must be spooky to those proprietary OSesSep 25 01:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: GCHQ spooks top UK Linux installations  | THINQ.co.uk .::. Size~: 33.15 KBSep 25 01:12
*hazzy has quit (Quit: leaving)Sep 25 01:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @lnxwalt140 I Love America. Do You? http://bit.ly/d4xEgkSep 25 01:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: I Love America. Do You? - Six Bananas! .::. Size~: 33.85 KBSep 25 01:19
*hazzy (~jared@c-68-41-59-20.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 01:24
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/25397124703 "No one could generalize it one way or the other. Outlook actually does auto-save and probably did before Thunderbird."Sep 25 01:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Twitter / FOSS Patents: @maemst No one could gener ... .::. Size~: 9.38 KBSep 25 01:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Grace Hopper Interview (1986) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/09/25/grace-hopper-interview-1986/ via @fontana and @lhSep 25 01:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Grace Hopper Interview (1986) .::. Size~: 30.75 KBSep 25 01:39
schestowitz[00:11] <sebsebseb> Anyone tried Internet Explorer 9 yet? :dSep 25 01:41
schestowitzIs it not VIsta 7 only?Sep 25 01:41
hazzyWait until IEs4Linux get ahold of itSep 25 01:41
sebsebsebschestowitz: not sureSep 25 01:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: probaby not, but if it is, thats stupidSep 25 01:42
hazzyOh, it isSep 25 01:43
sebsebsebhazzy: Its Windows 7 only?Sep 25 01:43
hazzyI'm looking at the wikipedia page nowSep 25 01:43
hazzyYeahSep 25 01:43
cubevectorpffftSep 25 01:43
sebsebsebWon't work in Vista?Sep 25 01:43
schestowitzMicrofot Florian is busty promoting Microsoft nowSep 25 01:43
hazzyWell Vista SP2Sep 25 01:43
schestowitzSo blatantSep 25 01:43
sebsebsebhazzy: ok so it does work in Vista SP2 ok good :)Sep 25 01:43
hazzyYepSep 25 01:43
sebsebsebhowever no version for XP?Sep 25 01:43
hazzyNoneSep 25 01:43
schestowitz[01:43] <sebsebseb> Won't work in Vista?Sep 25 01:43
schestowitzWHO works in  VIsta?Sep 25 01:43
sebsebsebschestowitz: idiots?Sep 25 01:44
sebsebseb:DSep 25 01:44
schestowitzI guessSep 25 01:44
cubevectorme no like Vis-DuhSep 25 01:44
schestowitzThe Wow started back thenSep 25 01:44
schestowitzThe Wow ends nowSep 25 01:44
sebsebsebThe WoW hype realy did fail for themSep 25 01:44
sebsebsebso not for XPSep 25 01:44
schestowitzSOme people believed itSep 25 01:44
sebsebsebwell that makes sense reallySep 25 01:44
cubevectorthey had their timeSep 25 01:44
sebsebsebMicrosoft are trying to kill off XP nowSep 25 01:44
schestowitzVista sold many copiesSep 25 01:44
cubevectornow it's overSep 25 01:44
schestowitzNot that people kept VIstaSep 25 01:44
sebsebsebXP has decant browsers anyway,  Firefox and what not :)Sep 25 01:45
schestowitzVista sold a lot more than Vista 7Sep 25 01:45
cubevectorwell I thought windows 2.0 suckedSep 25 01:45
hazzyI seriously doubt that people will readily switch to Vista 7 JUST because of IE9Sep 25 01:45
cubevectormy opinion hasn't changed in 22 yearsSep 25 01:45
sebsebsebhazzy: indeedSep 25 01:45
schestowitz2.2 years?Sep 25 01:45
sebsebsebwell I do have VistaSep 25 01:45
sebsebsebso looks like I can try IE 9 thenSep 25 01:45
schestowitzI have a vision..Sep 25 01:46
schestowitzBut it has no Microsoft in itSep 25 01:46
sebsebseband it also has Roy Schestowitz as the equviliant of Steve Ballmer, but in a opensource/freesoftware kind of way :DSep 25 01:46
cubezzzlots of alternatives to Microsoft nowSep 25 01:47
*sebsebseb oh its great hardly ever running Windows anymore :)Sep 25 01:47
sebsebsebfeels so good :)Sep 25 01:47
cubezzzI had tons of issues with various versions of windowsSep 25 01:47
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po149bYnUO0Sep 25 01:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - Men Of Vizion - Do Thangs - Buzz fm Manchester   .::. Size~: 121.96 KBSep 25 01:47
sebsebsebalso commerical games don't really interest me muchSep 25 01:47
cubezzzshoved down my throat I might addSep 25 01:47
sebsebsebso thats not an issue for me :)Sep 25 01:47
sebsebseblateste Click was hypeing up the latest Halo gameSep 25 01:47
cubezzzI sure didn't want it at any pointSep 25 01:48
sebsebseb,but  they also had a good  thing about ArmSep 25 01:48
sebsebsebschestowitz: Did you see it?Sep 25 01:48
cubezzzreally Unix wonSep 25 01:48
sebsebsebArm first,  and such, game laterSep 25 01:48
schestowitzsebsebseb: I don't watch ClickSep 25 01:48
sebsebsebschestowitz: well you have beforeSep 25 01:48
schestowitzClick feels like PC for toddlersSep 25 01:48
hazzyWhat is Click?Sep 25 01:49
sebsebsebyeah its  a show for the average consumer, with some sort of interest in technologySep 25 01:49
schestowitzI watched it a few times when I was like 17Sep 25 01:49
hazzy(Sorry, I'm American)Sep 25 01:49
cubezzzthe internet shows just how bad television isSep 25 01:49
sebsebsebhazzy: http://www.bbc.co.uk/clickSep 25 01:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC NEWS | Programmes | Click .::. Size~: 63.86 KBSep 25 01:49
schestowitzhazzy: programme about the Microsoft cliqueSep 25 01:49
sebsebsebhazzy: UK technology programSep 25 01:49
bruce89meSep 25 01:50
schestowitzNot technologySep 25 01:50
sebsebsebschestowitz: well soemtimes a bit of Linux in their actsaully  in the show being mentioned in speech,  or  hidden away for those that look carefuly enoughSep 25 01:50
cubezzzif you watch bits and bytes (80s show about computers) it's quite interestingSep 25 01:50
sebsebsebfor example they were showing something on the previous episodeSep 25 01:50
bruce89I assume they didn't mention Civ 5?Sep 25 01:50
sebsebseband I noticed TuxSep 25 01:50
schestowitzTechnology would be chips and stuffSep 25 01:50
cubezzzthey make several accurate predictionsSep 25 01:50
hazzyThanks btwSep 25 01:50
sebsebsebhazzy: you can't just watch it in USA thoughSep 25 01:50
schestowitzClick is about WIndows GUIs and malware and stuffSep 25 01:50
sebsebsebas far as I knowSep 25 01:50
sebsebsebschestowitz: and websites and games for the consumerSep 25 01:50
sebsebsebthey mainly go on about Twitter and mobile phonesSep 25 01:51
hazzyOh, hey, looks like I can'tSep 25 01:51
schestowitzWindows gamesSep 25 01:51
sebsebsebhazzy: they do have global viewers thoughSep 25 01:51
schestowitzNot even PS AFAIKSep 25 01:51
sebsebsebhazzy: so I guess depends on how your country is when it comes to BBC or somethingSep 25 01:51
sebsebsebhazzy: I mean I know for example there is BBC America, but I guess they don't show ClickSep 25 01:51
cubezzzsome media is country specificSep 25 01:51
schestowitzUS might have BBC WOrldSep 25 01:51
hazzyOh, rightSep 25 01:51
cubezzzonly works in that countrySep 25 01:51
hazzyYeahSep 25 01:51
sebsebsebschestowitz: no they got BBC AmericaSep 25 01:51
schestowitzI knowSep 25 01:51
schestowitzThat's newSep 25 01:52
hazzyI do have BBC on my television, but I doubt I get ClickSep 25 01:52
schestowitzGOod for youSep 25 01:52
sebsebsebschestowitz:  not that new then, since when I went to Florida in August 2008, yep BBC AmericaSep 25 01:52
sebsebsebhazzy: BBC One? or?Sep 25 01:52
schestowitzThink Pirillo for dummiesSep 25 01:52
cubezzzno one watches CBC I take it? :)Sep 25 01:52
sebsebsebhazzy: I guess notSep 25 01:52
sebsebsebhazzy: BBC America?Sep 25 01:52
hazzyYeaSep 25 01:52
*sebsebseb wonders how Ubuntu is treating hazzySep 25 01:52
schestowitzBritish... AmericaSep 25 01:53
schestowitzIt doesn't sound rightSep 25 01:53
hazzyNono, I switched today to MandrivaSep 25 01:53
schestowitzAL Jazeera USASep 25 01:53
schestowitzSpiegel IranSep 25 01:53
sebsebsebhazzy: ohSep 25 01:53
sebsebsebhazzy: well on the 30th September or 1st Oct,  well depends when this RC actsaully gets releasedSep 25 01:53
sebsebsebI am still planning on putting Ubuntu 10.10 onSep 25 01:53
sebsebsebso I can try the new netbook interface on my desktopSep 25 01:53
hazzyNah, I don't think I will until the next LTSSep 25 01:54
schestowitz10 seconds past 10:10?Sep 25 01:54
sebsebseband yeah i'll use the sound menu with my musicSep 25 01:54
sebsebsebI am obviously going to find Ubuntu 10.10 pretty suckySep 25 01:54
sebsebseb,butSep 25 01:54
schestowitz010101010101010101001101 omg! binary codez!Sep 25 01:54
hazzyI'm getting settled into Mandriva, very niceSep 25 01:54
sebsebsebdone every release since second release since second release in 2005 on real hardware, so why not 10.10 as well?Sep 25 01:54
sebsebsebhazzy: a lot of the packages are old thoughSep 25 01:54
sebsebsebhazzy: still Sun  Open Office and Virtualbox for exampleSep 25 01:54
schestowitzOOOOSep 25 01:55
cubezzzmy advice is try a bunch of different distrosSep 25 01:55
schestowitzNo SUnSep 25 01:55
cubezzznot just oneSep 25 01:55
sebsebsebaltough there are 3rd party repos or were, to get later packagesSep 25 01:55
sebsebsebcubezzz: yep thats what I been doing :)Sep 25 01:55
sebsebsebhazzy: I am bored of 2010.1  really now, well not really bored, but boredishSep 25 01:55
sebsebsebhazzy: it didn't  change that much since 2010.0Sep 25 01:56
hazzyI didn't use 2010.0Sep 25 01:56
sebsebsebno Mandriva untill next year by the waySep 25 01:56
sebsebsebthey also won't be doing Gnome anymore hazzySep 25 01:56
sebsebsebunless the community doSep 25 01:56
hazzyAh, that's ok, thenSep 25 01:56
bruce89Rygel now works, niceSep 25 01:56
sebsebsebhazzy: however yeah this Mageia :)Sep 25 01:56
sebsebsebbruce89: Whats that?Sep 25 01:56
hazzyI was kinda regretting using Gnome anyway tbhSep 25 01:56
sebsebsebhazzy: Why?Sep 25 01:56
bruce89DLNA serverSep 25 01:57
schestowitz[01:03] <TechrightsBot-tr> Title: Release Date Of Samsung Galaxy Tab Is Delayed | MobiCrunch .::. Size~: 30.49 KBSep 25 01:57
schestowitzIt's ballnuxSep 25 01:57
hazzyI think it comes with MonoSep 25 01:57
sebsebsebhazzy: thats up the distro if they put Mono in it or notSep 25 01:57
sebsebsebhazzy:  Gnome itself does not come with Mono as far as I knowSep 25 01:57
sebsebsebup to the distro, aboveSep 25 01:58
hazzyWellSep 25 01:58
hazzyNot only thatSep 25 01:58
sebsebsebhazzy: anyway I will do the RC, put that on, since it will be stable enoughSep 25 01:58
hazzyI'm kinda getting tired of GNOME for a whileSep 25 01:58
sebsebseband then I can get used to it a bit, before loads of the noobs do UbuntuSep 25 01:58
sebsebseband fan boysSep 25 01:58
cubezzzI wish I could save tabs in konsoleSep 25 01:58
cubezzzI might just add that :)Sep 25 01:58
sebsebsebI mean before  they do 10.10.  and yeah I guess i'll do a bit of support in the big channel for Ubuntu,  when 10.10 comes out, whilst waiting for Mageia :)Sep 25 01:58
hazzyYesSep 25 01:59
hazzyWellSep 25 01:59
hazzyI'm not really confident in my abilities as far as support goesSep 25 01:59
sebsebseband theres Ubuntu Open Week straight after the 10.10 release day, and thats fun :)Sep 25 01:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Happy Ada Lovelace DaySep 25 01:59
*sebsebseb already thought of two questions that will ask Lord Mark ShuttleworthSep 25 02:00
sebsebsebbruce89: yeah he is a Lord now not a Sir anymore :DSep 25 02:00
hazzyNot if I ask them first :)Sep 25 02:00
cubevectorLord Mono? :-/Sep 25 02:00
sebsebsebhazzy: not if you ask them first?Sep 25 02:00
sebsebsebcubevector: nah I was trying to make a joke thereSep 25 02:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Steve Jobs solved the problem with suicides in FoxConn ur1.ca/1rkqhSep 25 02:01
sebsebsebbasically all the realy rich people and such hereSep 25 02:01
sebsebsebor most of them, get called Sir, but some will be called LordSep 25 02:01
bruce89I don't think Mark is a PeerSep 25 02:01
sebsebsebbruce89: a Peer ?Sep 25 02:01
bruce89I'm not sure if South Africans can be peersSep 25 02:01
sebsebsebwhat is a pper?Sep 25 02:02
sebsebsebpeerSep 25 02:02
bruce89a lordSep 25 02:02
sebsebsebohSep 25 02:02
bruce89it's nothing to do with wealthSep 25 02:02
sebsebsebwell anyway we got Lord Alan Sugar,  Sir Richard Branson  and I guess Sir Rupert MurdochSep 25 02:02
bruce89those are totally differentSep 25 02:02
hazzyHuh? I thought a peer was...your social equal?Sep 25 02:02
*cubevector is now known as baroncubeSep 25 02:02
sebsebsebbruce89: oh?Sep 25 02:02
bruce89that too, our house of lords has peersSep 25 02:02
baroncubeI'm getting into the act :)Sep 25 02:02
sebsebsebhazzy: so did ISep 25 02:02
bruce89Sirs are knightsSep 25 02:03
sebsebsebbruce89: yeah queen somethingSep 25 02:03
sebsebseb?Sep 25 02:03
bruce89they are just people the government decides to honourSep 25 02:03
sebsebsebohSep 25 02:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] It's really hard to go back to Firefox 3.6.x after using Firefox 4 beta 6Sep 25 02:04
*baroncube is now known as cubevectorSep 25 02:04
hazzyEarlier I was actually somewhat tempted to put Arch on here againSep 25 02:04
bruce89mind you, same goes for lords tooSep 25 02:04
sebsebsebhazzy: Mandriva is quite nice though aye?Sep 25 02:04
sebsebsebhazzy: this distro is on the verge of dieing though, Russians own Mandriva nowSep 25 02:05
hazzyYes, absolutelySep 25 02:05
bruce89aye?Sep 25 02:05
hazzyOh, really?Sep 25 02:05
sebsebsebhazzy: and if you like Mandriva, your bound to like the fork as well :)Sep 25 02:05
hazzyYep, I amSep 25 02:05
sebsebsebhazzy: so which version did you put on?Sep 25 02:05
hazzy2010.1Sep 25 02:05
sebsebsebyes, butSep 25 02:05
hazzyOhSep 25 02:05
sebsebsebthere are three versionsSep 25 02:05
hazzyIt was uhSep 25 02:05
sebsebsebFree or OneSep 25 02:05
sebsebsebI expectSep 25 02:05
hazzyFreeSep 25 02:06
sebsebsebsince Powerpack is paid forSep 25 02:06
sebsebsebhazzy: no MP3 support for example by default then, or mabye free has it as wellSep 25 02:06
sebsebsebOne and Free not that much different,  differnet branding thoughSep 25 02:06
hazzyI don't use MP3s anywaySep 25 02:06
cubevectorno one likes vector?Sep 25 02:06
sebsebseb,but yep not that much difference,  the Mandriva One branding is so :)Sep 25 02:06
sebsebsebcubevector: I do kind of I meanSep 25 02:06
bruce89good lord, are you a salesman?Sep 25 02:06
sebsebsebcubevector: I vm'd   VectorLinux 2007  Live CD I think it was 2007Sep 25 02:07
sebsebsebfrom ISO and it was like wow,  great graphics and so onSep 25 02:07
sebsebsebcubevector: then I also tried a later one in vm or tried to or actsaully from a CD/DVD.  and I think I even tried to install maybe, but some issueSep 25 02:07
sebsebsebI don't remember exactly,  but yep Vector is pretty niceSep 25 02:07
sebsebsebit seemsSep 25 02:08
sebsebsebcubevector: altough if still got to pay for a CD  or install Open Office yourself, thats a bit silly reallySep 25 02:08
cubevectorI use Vector classicSep 25 02:08
cubevectorit's freeSep 25 02:08
cubevectorI could have run 3.5.10 with a 2.4 kernel thoughSep 25 02:09
sebsebsebcubevector: oh they still got KDE 3?Sep 25 02:10
cubevectoryupSep 25 02:10
sebsebsebok nice :)Sep 25 02:10
cubevectorand I also run kde4 programs on itSep 25 02:10
sebsebsebKDE 3 had some great backgrounds by default for example, KDE 4 doesn't seem to, and no thats not the main reason why personally I would prefer KDE 3 to KDE 4Sep 25 02:10
sebsebsebcubevector: yeah can have both type installedSep 25 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @gnufreex re your earlier message from IRC, feeding trolls is not worth joining any network forSep 25 02:11
cubevectorsebsebseb, it's faster tooSep 25 02:11
sebsebsebif a distro is set up toSep 25 02:11
cubevectorthe kde4 guys don't test on old hardwareSep 25 02:11
cubevectoror at least, it seems they don'tSep 25 02:11
bruce89oh come on, you moan about GDM because you can no longer theme it (which is not true)Sep 25 02:11
sebsebsebKDE 4 is all uh to customize rather geekSep 25 02:11
sebsebsebKDE 3 wasn't as badSep 25 02:11
sebsebsebfor thatSep 25 02:11
sebsebsebbruce89: whatever you GNOMER :DSep 25 02:12
cubevectorhonestly, I've used a lot of DE's and KDE 3.5.10 is my favSep 25 02:12
sebsebsebbruce89: you can't use the old tehems, with the newer GDMSep 25 02:12
hazzyI did think that Mandriva looked satisfactory out of the boxSep 25 02:13
sebsebsebcubevector: Gnome 2 used to be my favSep 25 02:13
bruce89please don't insult meSep 25 02:13
sebsebsebcubevector: Gnome Shell preview is my fav now, however thats just really a window manager at the moment, on top of Gnome 2Sep 25 02:13
cubevectoranyone try icewm? Great on very old hardwareSep 25 02:13
hazzyI should try Gnome shell right nowSep 25 02:13
bruce89sebsebseb: the programs will be no different in 3 you knowSep 25 02:14
sebsebsebyes I think I have tried icevm briefly in vm's before, and maybe/probably in UbuntuSep 25 02:14
sebsebsebhazzy: indeedSep 25 02:14
bruce89well, apart from the fact they'll link against fewer libraries and GTK+ 3.0 versions of themSep 25 02:14
hazzycubevector: When I was a noob, I used IceWM to make it look like WindowsSep 25 02:14
sebsebsebhazzy: not the very latest version, butSep 25 02:14
sebsebsebhazzy: not that old really either, and its in the repo for Mandriva :)Sep 25 02:14
cubevectorI found icewm very succinctSep 25 02:15
sebsebsebnot sure which Gnome Shell Ubuntu 10.10 has or will haveSep 25 02:15
sebsebseb,but I guess it will be later than the one Mandriva 2010.1 has in its repoSep 25 02:15
bruce892.31.somethingSep 25 02:15
bruce89something anchientSep 25 02:15
sebsebsebbruce89: 2.31 Gnome 3 preview is ancient?Sep 25 02:15
sebsebsebif thats so, than the 2.29  that Mandriva 2010.1 has is rather well anicentSep 25 02:15
sebsebsebbruce89: any idea if the next Gnome 3 preview is out by the way,  or out properly, and  same thing for Gnome 2.30.2 ?  I mean its SeptemberSep 25 02:16
sebsebseband nearly the end of itSep 25 02:16
bruce89apparently it links to GTK+ 2.0 on Ubuntu, so it must be oldSep 25 02:16
sebsebsebthe Gnome Shell preview you mean?Sep 25 02:16
bruce89aha, they patched it outSep 25 02:17
hazzysebsebseb: Downloading now :)Sep 25 02:17
sebsebsebhazzy: so you installed the KDE version of Mandriva?Sep 25 02:17
hazzyNoSep 25 02:17
sebsebsebhazzy: well free lets you installSep 25 02:17
sebsebsebKDE and Gnome from the DVD :)Sep 25 02:18
*cubevector wonders if distrowatch ever looks at AROS or HaikuSep 25 02:18
bruce89wow, having to pay to install stuffSep 25 02:18
hazzyOh, hey, you're rightSep 25 02:18
sebsebsebhazzy: what  that you only installed KDE?Sep 25 02:18
hazzyNo, that I can install bothSep 25 02:18
sebsebsebbruce89: with which distro?Sep 25 02:18
hazzy(It's free as in speech, not price, bruce89)Sep 25 02:18
sebsebsebbruce89: Free is the free software only version of MandrivaSep 25 02:19
bruce89it was just what sebsebseb saidSep 25 02:19
sebsebsebbruce89: Mandriva One is nearly the same thingSep 25 02:19
sebsebsebPowerpack is paid forSep 25 02:19
bruce89"well free lets you install"Sep 25 02:19
sebsebseband Mandriva is on the verge of dieing nowSep 25 02:19
sebsebsebbruce89: as for shut down on top right in Ubuntu,  I won't really care that much when 10.10 is outSep 25 02:20
sebsebsebfor two reasonsSep 25 02:20
*bruce89 sighsSep 25 02:20
bruce89because you've read something on omgubuntu?Sep 25 02:20
sebsebseb1. the icon stuffSep 25 02:20
sebsebsebacstauly its three versionsSep 25 02:20
sebsebseb2. how many times  would  the average user be using system menu in 10.10 anyway?  not much thats howSep 25 02:21
sebsebseb3. Gnome 3 is having it on the top right, so may as well have people being used to shutting down on the top right in 10.10Sep 25 02:21
bruce89you make no sense as usualSep 25 02:21
sebsebsebalso Gnome 3 was meant to be out already realySep 25 02:21
bruce89we all know that Ubuntu will not use gnome-shellSep 25 02:22
sebsebsebnot having an auto shut down feature, may annoy me a bit, but  I will not be using Ubuntu 10.10 for that longSep 25 02:22
sebsebsebbruce89: oh they will I thinkSep 25 02:22
sebsebsebfor the desktop versionSep 25 02:22
hazzyhttp://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/mozilla-seabird-phone-is-full-of-good-ideas-20100924/Sep 25 02:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mozilla Seabird phone is full of good ideas – Cell Phones & Mobile Device Technology News & Updates | Geek.com .::. Size~: 58.69 KBSep 25 02:22
bruce89no, it'd be impossible to move their patches acrossSep 25 02:22
sebsebsebwill it be 11.04 though thats the thing, we got to wait,  for after UDS to find out for sureSep 25 02:22
sebsebsebor  that UDS weekSep 25 02:22
sebsebseb,but I think thats the week I am away so when I get back for UDS stuff I guessSep 25 02:23
bruce89look, the point is not what they do, but the fact they don't bother to even attempt to push things upstreamSep 25 02:23
sebsebsebbruce89: they can start patching Gnome 3 for their patches?Sep 25 02:23
sebsebsebthey haveSep 25 02:23
sebsebsebwith their Gnome patchesSep 25 02:23
sebsebsebupstream didn't want them thoughSep 25 02:23
bruce89that's complete shitSep 25 02:24
bruce89not one bit of discussion upstream whatsoeverSep 25 02:24
sebsebsebbruce89: well so start supporting Mageia or somethingSep 25 02:24
sebsebsebyou know a distro that may actsaully have a chanceSep 25 02:24
sebsebsebat giving Ubuntu some proper competiton, and no Fedora is so not thatSep 25 02:24
bruce89that also is crapSep 25 02:24
cubevectoryou all know dexOS is the faster of all OSes? :)Sep 25 02:24
sebsebsebFedora isn't made to be quite noob friendlySep 25 02:25
hazzysebsebseb: You're right, gnome shell is amazingSep 25 02:25
cubevectoror so they saySep 25 02:25
bruce89I use Fedora because I want to, I don't give a damn what others doSep 25 02:25
sebsebsebhazzy: on it now?Sep 25 02:25
hazzysebsebseb: YeahSep 25 02:25
sebsebsebhazzy: this is a slghtly older one in Mandriva as I was saying, it lacks certain features, but yep its pretty nice :)Sep 25 02:25
bruce89sebsebseb: how did this sudden change of heart come about?Sep 25 02:25
*Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrightsSep 25 02:26
cubevectorFedora is fine, I've used it a lotSep 25 02:26
*Judas_PhD has quit (Client Quit)Sep 25 02:26
sebsebsebbruce89: when it comes to what?Sep 25 02:26
sebsebsebcubevector: right, butSep 25 02:26
sebsebsebI am talking about for the Ubuntu target audianceSep 25 02:26
sebsebsebFedora isn't really for themSep 25 02:26
bruce89just as wellSep 25 02:26
sebsebsebyou know average computer users, who don't really watn to learn computers properlySep 25 02:26
sebsebseband want to do loads of stuff graphicallySep 25 02:26
bruce89err, Fedora is graphicalSep 25 02:26
sebsebsebno control centreSep 25 02:26
sebsebseblike Mandriva,  PC Linux OS, and I assume Unity Linux as well, haveSep 25 02:27
bruce89sebsebseb: I mean your sudden stance on Ubuntu being gooSep 25 02:27
sebsebsebbruce89: no Ubuntu isn't goodSep 25 02:27
bruce89Ubuntu patches I meanSep 25 02:27
sebsebseb,butSep 25 02:27
sebsebsebthey have improved 10.10 a little bit here and there compared to 10.04, its not as badSep 25 02:27
bruce89disunity is an improvement?Sep 25 02:27
sebsebsebI haven't used Unity properly yet, so I can't really comment much for that one yetSep 25 02:27
sebsebseb,but I mean the desktop version mainlySep 25 02:28
sebsebsebUnity is realy just well their patchesSep 25 02:28
sebsebsebfrom what I have seen on webSep 25 02:28
bruce89I believe you have been got atSep 25 02:28
sebsebsebI think that they should have made the desktop version quite a lot betterSep 25 02:28
sebsebsebinstead of t argetting netbooksSep 25 02:28
bruce89I'll give it a week, and you'll say Mageia is crapSep 25 02:28
sebsebsebbruce89: I doubt itSep 25 02:28
bruce89maybe a monthSep 25 02:28
*Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrightsSep 25 02:29
sebsebsebI have a feeling they will target KDE and make a great KDE first version, but probably a not quite as good Gnome versionSep 25 02:29
*Judas_PhD has quit (Client Quit)Sep 25 02:29
sebsebsebas a first version I  meanSep 25 02:29
sebsebsebbruce89: however its a community distro,  I can contact people the correct people, and :)Sep 25 02:30
sebsebsebbruce89: as for Ubuntu's Gnome 2 patches and  UnitySep 25 02:30
sebsebsebuhmm I guess it won't matter that much anymore, when Gnome 3 comes out :)Sep 25 02:30
bruce89that makes yet less senseSep 25 02:31
sebsebsebbruce89: the patch that moves shut down on the top right, prepares people for Gnome 3Sep 25 02:31
sebsebsebthe shut down patch is stupid, but makes it more user friendly for newbiseSep 25 02:31
bruce89and are people that stupid that they need prepared?Sep 25 02:31
sebsebsebbruce89: well maybe Canonical think so?  hence why they  started doing that with 9.04?Sep 25 02:32
bruce89because they wanted to fork the FOSS platform for some reasonSep 25 02:33
bruce89to clone OS X or somethingSep 25 02:33
sebsebseband yep thats what Ubuntu is about since 10.04 reallySep 25 02:33
sebsebsebtrying to compete with the Mac OS X interfaceSep 25 02:33
bruce89s/compete/cloneSep 25 02:33
sebsebsebwell if you think about it and I have beforeSep 25 02:34
sebsebsebthey can compete with Mac OS X like that, and it will be seen as ok by most of their usersSep 25 02:34
bruce89some of the ideas are technically good, but the implementation is unilateral, where it should be multilateralSep 25 02:34
sebsebseb,but if they started trying to make things more like the Windows user interface, well that would not be seen as ok by many of themSep 25 02:34
sebsebsebbruce89: well yes some of the ideas are ok, but  how they are implemented is the problem, and I mean into the distro itself, removing features that should be there really, for example the auto shut downSep 25 02:35
sebsebsebbruce89: and you probably mainly mean working with upstreamSep 25 02:35
sebsebseband there is that as well, but  I guess Gnome 3 will change  things :)Sep 25 02:35
bruce89there's nothing wrong with removing that, but the fact they didn't ask or consult upstreamSep 25 02:35
sebsebsebGnome 2 will be seen as old,  and that includes Gnome 2 with the Ubuntu Gnome patchesSep 25 02:35
bruce89they just do whatever Mark's newest whim is really, sod upstreamSep 25 02:35
sebsebseband now no windicators either, which was basically a broken promiseSep 25 02:36
sebsebsebthat he shouldn't have really made in the first place, if he knew he might not have been able to implement it for 10.10Sep 25 02:36
bruce89crazy idea anywaySep 25 02:36
sebsebsebbruce89: thats something else by the way, when I put 10.10 on for a bit,  I will put the buttons on the right I thinkSep 25 02:36
bruce89mind you, that hasn't stopped them in the pastSep 25 02:37
sebsebsebbruce89: also the buttons on the left,  has something to do with Unity apparentlySep 25 02:37
sebsebsebbruce89: going by Jono Bacon's latest ustreamSep 25 02:37
hazzysebsebseb: They wanted them closer to the launchersSep 25 02:37
bruce89which seems to be the opposite of what makes senseSep 25 02:38
sebsebsebhazzy: the launchers?  in Unity you mean or?Sep 25 02:38
bruce89you know, you could accidentally close a window instead of opening something elseSep 25 02:38
hazzysebsebseb: Yes, UnitySep 25 02:38
sebsebsebhazzy: ok, but why didn't they do this?Sep 25 02:38
sebsebsebnetbook edition on the leftSep 25 02:38
sebsebsebdesktop on the right?Sep 25 02:38
hazzysebsebseb: Haha, yeah, they should haveSep 25 02:39
bruce89they just do what they like, and justify it laterSep 25 02:39
*sebsebseb thinks the new 10.10 default theme will be ok for the desktop version, with the buttons on the right, in the proper order :)Sep 25 02:39
sebsebsebbruce89: seems soSep 25 02:39
sebsebsebI agreeSep 25 02:39
bruce89buggering about with random UI "niceities" while slowly forking GNOMESep 25 02:39
sebsebsebhazzy: I mean they were even thinking about having Chromeium as the netbook edition, and only the netbook edition for 10.10, whilst the desktop version stayed FirefoxSep 25 02:40
sebsebsebso indeed @ this buttons thing I just typedSep 25 02:40
hazzysebsebseb: I wonder if it's because Chromium is easier on resources?Sep 25 02:40
sebsebsebhazzy: howeverSep 25 02:40
sebsebsebthis doesn't end hereSep 25 02:40
bruce89you aren't supposed to agree with things you say yourselfSep 25 02:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ahh, looking forward to my dinner with friends at the Olive Garden...so hungry right now!Sep 25 02:41
sebsebsebbruce89: oh well nevermindSep 25 02:41
sebsebsebhazzy: They were even  thinking of having Banshee as the default in the netbook edition,  whilst the desktop stays RythomboxSep 25 02:41
hazzy:?Sep 25 02:41
sebsebseband it seems that yes Banshee will probably be the default in 11.04 for the netbook editionSep 25 02:41
*hazzy has no idea whySep 25 02:41
sebsebsebhazzy: since theres another interface, which is apparently better for netbooks, that it can useSep 25 02:42
bruce89for someone who doesn't like Ubuntu, you don't half go on about itSep 25 02:42
sebsebseb,but apparently Banshee itself doesn't work that well on netbooks at the moment, which is why they decided not to do itSep 25 02:42
hazzyEhh, Banshee? I don't like thatSep 25 02:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bpglobalpr/@bpglobalpr] BPGlobalPR: Great, @healthygulf made a video about the oil that's still in the Gulf. IT DISAPPEARED GET OVER IT! h... http://ping.fm/7L8TxSep 25 02:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] paradox of choice not true? http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9cebd444-cd9c-11de-8162-00144feabdc0.htmlSep 25 02:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Twitter / BP Public Relations: Great, @healthygulf made a ... .::. Size~: 12.69 KBSep 25 02:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: FT.com / Weekend columnists / Tim Harford - Given the choice, how much choice would you like? .::. Size~: 52.37 KBSep 25 02:42
sebsebsebbruce89: sometimes  I mention it, but useually in a negative type of way these days :)Sep 25 02:43
*sebsebseb wants new users to have a postive first Desktop Linux experienceSep 25 02:43
sebsebsebhazzy: and of coure Unity is quite differnet from Gnome with their patchesSep 25 02:44
bruce89but then you say that Ubuntu is for "normal users", I just want to know how random UI forks helpsSep 25 02:44
sebsebsebbruce89: well they did that to be user friendly, and most of the current Ubuntu users, I mean those who  use the distro for over four monthsSep 25 02:44
sebsebsebbruce89: won't be used to how things were before, and how they are really meant to beSep 25 02:45
bruce89how is breaking things user-friendly?Sep 25 02:45
sebsebsebso yes these patches for userbility probably helps a lot of them really, or at least, makes the distro seem more user friendlySep 25 02:45
sebsebsebbruce89: right, but most of their users don't know thatSep 25 02:45
sebsebsebthey don't know that auto shut down got broke by a patch for exampleSep 25 02:45
bruce89well, that undermines your pointSep 25 02:45
sebsebseblet me be clear again, I am still not that keen on these patches to Gnome they have doneSep 25 02:46
sebsebseb,butSep 25 02:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @BPGlobalPR Great, @healthygulf made a video about the oil that's still in the Gulf. IT DISAPPEARED GET OVER IT! #satire #bigpolluterSep 25 02:46
sebsebsebI do want to try Unity and  I think from a end user point of view, and I mean for average end users,  that the sound menu is a great ideaSep 25 02:46
sebsebsebthe only patch though that I think great idea to, that  they have done to GnomeSep 25 02:46
sebsebsebalso I think having a house icon for home in places, is  great for making something look user friendly, but thats just a theme, not a patch :)Sep 25 02:47
bruce89a thing using a non-standard API that does something that I don't understandSep 25 02:47
sebsebsebbruce89: you mean the sound menu?Sep 25 02:48
bruce89yesSep 25 02:48
sebsebsebyes music can just be controlled in a music player sure, and I am quite happy with that really, but  since I will put 10.10 on anyway for a bit,  I will try the sound menu whilst I am at properly with musicSep 25 02:48
sebsebsebanyway the idea of the sound menu, is to make controlling music eaiser for peopleSep 25 02:48
sebsebsebfor Ubuntu users that isSep 25 02:49
sebsebsebsince other distros probably won't be doing itSep 25 02:49
sebsebsebbruce89: remember Ubuntu is trying to target the main streame, the average consumerSep 25 02:49
sebsebseband yes listening to music on the computer, is what a lot of them doSep 25 02:49
bruce89and in what way is that different to for example actually using the program itself?Sep 25 02:49
bruce89which is something that has worked for years, and Canonical clearly want to break itSep 25 02:50
sebsebsebbruce89: well with these patches that are going on the top right,  most users will be used to going up there, to shut down, or to control their instant messenger networks, or to  put messages on Twitter through the me menu for exampleSep 25 02:50
sebsebsebbruce89: so for those kind of users, makes sense really to  have music player options up there as wellSep 25 02:51
sebsebseb,but personally I quite like the old sound menu in Gnome, nice and simple, and only does volumeSep 25 02:51
sebsebsebbruce89: the most stupid Gnome patch so far from them, is for the clockSep 25 02:51
bruce89to be honest, it's not worth disussing it with you, you're nothing but a brick wallSep 25 02:51
sebsebsebbruce89: we have had these convos before, and  you basically hate Ubuntu nowSep 25 02:51
sebsebsebbruce89: I have mixed feelings, thats the differenceSep 25 02:52
sebsebsebbruce89: sound menu I am ok with, other Gnome paches, I don't likeSep 25 02:53
bruce89I don't hate them, I dislike the angle they're taking with respect forkingSep 25 02:53
sebsebsebbruce89: right so maybe support a distro that has a chance of becoming number one on distrowatch.com ,because even though Fedora is popular with technical people,  it is unlikely to win loads of average computer users over any time soon, since it lacks tools for them such a nice graphical control centre for configuring the system.  Well  the Mandriva control centre is open source, Fedora could use it as well,  but I guess most of their usersSep 25 02:54
bruce89I mean it is clear to me they are deliberately not upstreaming stuff so they can market their limited-point patches as an "advantage"Sep 25 02:54
sebsebsebwoudnt' like that.Sep 25 02:54
sebsebsebbruce89: we  can whine about Ubuntu as much as we want, but it won't useualy help to change thingsSep 25 02:56
sebsebsebbruce89: also  Fedora isn't always as stable as it should be, by the sounds of what I was told online by someoneSep 25 02:56
sebsebsebI mean updating stuff here and thereSep 25 02:57
bruce89I don't careSep 25 02:57
sebsebsebbruce89: you don't care about market shareSep 25 02:57
bruce89no, because I'm saneSep 25 02:57
sebsebsebbruce89: so you can't  see what Canonical are doing with Ubuntu, and then see the whySep 25 02:57
bruce89no, I can't see they "why" because it makes no senseSep 25 02:57
sebsebsebbruce89: they are  making Ubuntu mroe user friendly or at least seem like it is, for the average computer userSep 25 02:58
bruce89in what way does adding non-standard API and patching GNOME to oblivion help/Sep 25 02:58
bruce89so why must they persist in screwing up the UI?Sep 25 02:58
sebsebsebbruce89: you think market share for Desktop Linux doesn't matter, well  I guess Canonical think that patching Gnome doesn't really matter either, as long as they are making  Ubuntu more user friendly for most of their usersSep 25 02:59
bruce89how does it make it user friendly?Sep 25 02:59
bruce89how is breaking standards friendly?Sep 25 02:59
sebsebsebbruce89: also they can get away with it quite  nicely, because just like Microsoft or Apple,  their is ignorance that sorrounds themSep 25 02:59
sebsebsebbruce89: the average computer user doesn't  know or care about standards, they use a computer as a tool, and  want to get their computer task done, thats allSep 25 03:00
sebsebseband I think Canonical reolizes thatSep 25 03:00
bruce89I still have not heard one valid argument about how forking GNOME makes it user friendlySep 25 03:00
sebsebseband so are trying to make Ubuntu  easier for them to do their task, but  they are implementing these changes into Ubuntu, in a bad waySep 25 03:00
sebsebsebbruce89: I have already provided at least one I think, but you don't see it like thatSep 25 03:00
bruce89because I can see little use for such trivial thingsSep 25 03:01
sebsebsebwell yes a lot of it wil have little useSep 25 03:01
sebsebsebby mos users I guessSep 25 03:01
sebsebseb,but even so, it will  make Ubuntu seem more user friendlySep 25 03:02
bruce89and don't kid yourself, hardware compatibility is the biggest block, not some non-sensical GNOME changesSep 25 03:02
sebsebsebby manySep 25 03:02
sebsebsebbruce89: right and I never said it wasn'tSep 25 03:02
bruce89so why then do they do it unilaterally instead of multilaterallySep 25 03:02
sebsebsebthis was about why the Ubuntu Gnome patches,  may make Ubuntu more user friendly or at least seem more user friendly, for average computer usersSep 25 03:03
bruce89is it because they want other distros to die?Sep 25 03:03
sebsebsebbruce89: well why not ask Mark Shuttelworth himself in Open Week?Sep 25 03:03
sebsebsebits nearly timeSep 25 03:03
bruce89because he'll just say his usual crapSep 25 03:03
bruce89patches this way and so onSep 25 03:03
bruce89"upstream can take them if they wish"Sep 25 03:04
sebsebsebthere are other ways to contact Shuttleworth, but  I guess he would ignore most mere mortals pretty much, if we tried to do thatSep 25 03:04
sebsebsebyou know what I mean I thinkSep 25 03:04
bruce89there's no point anywaySep 25 03:04
sebsebsebbruce89: well yes,  Ubuntu do what they want, and then upstream can take the changes if they want to, but  so far Gnome have refusedSep 25 03:05
sebsebsebis that really how they should be doing it though Ubuntu I mean, no not reallySep 25 03:05
bruce89because that is not GNOME's jobSep 25 03:05
bruce89it is not upstream's job to find patches that distros applySep 25 03:05
*sebsebseb wonders if Canonical might make loads of their users think Gnome 3 is bad, because of somethingSep 25 03:06
sebsebsebbruce89: well I guess we will know  soonSep 25 03:06
sebsebsebor have an idea, if it might happenSep 25 03:06
bruce89well I'm certain they will carry on foisting their non-standard APIs on developersSep 25 03:07
sebsebsebgot to wait until UDS timeSep 25 03:07
bruce89fragmenting the FOSS landscapeSep 25 03:07
sebsebsebbruce89: right now though,  in a way Ubuntu is one of the best Gnome distros  for new users, or not, because of what we are talking about, but what about Mint?Sep 25 03:07
sebsebsebdon't Mint do patches as well of some sort?Sep 25 03:07
bruce89how can you assert such things?Sep 25 03:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Tech Comics: "Love and Google Instant" http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3904021/Tech-Comics-Love-and-Google-Instant.htmSep 25 03:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Tech Comics: "Love and Google Instant" &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 84.52 KBSep 25 03:07
sebsebsebbruce89: Mint is all green, and looks more like Windows by defaultSep 25 03:08
bruce89yes, the marketing for Ubuntu is aimed at that sector, but the patches still don't make things any betterSep 25 03:08
bruce89why does having endless menus help?Sep 25 03:08
sebsebsebyep we have had this chat before, and no it doesn't reallySep 25 03:08
sebsebsebit will clutter things upSep 25 03:08
schestowitzStar menu.. http://dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2010/09/follow-up-review-mandriva-20101-spring.htmlSep 25 03:08
sebsebsebor  at least with to many add on apps, that use itSep 25 03:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Das U-Blog by Prashanth: FOLLOW-UP: Review: Mandriva 2010.1 Spring .::. Size~: 55.87 KBSep 25 03:08
bruce89I thought you meant the patches MAKE GNOME user-friendly, or more soSep 25 03:09
sebsebsebbruce89: the sound menu idea is ok really, but how it has been implemented is done in a bad waySep 25 03:09
sebsebsebbruce89: however thats the same for their other Gnome patchesSep 25 03:10
sebsebsebthe ones I know about anywaySep 25 03:10
sebsebsebbruce89: so yeah shut down,  and  the indicatorsSep 25 03:10
bruce89so then what makes the distro more user friendly?Sep 25 03:10
sebsebsebbruce89: however something can be implemened in a bad way technically, butSep 25 03:10
sebsebsebthat is done in a user friendly way for usersSep 25 03:10
sebsebseband thats what I am trying to say hereSep 25 03:10
bruce89I keep asking, and I will persistSep 25 03:11
bruce89so then what makes the distro more user friendly?Sep 25 03:11
sebsebsebbruce89: for some users the software centre makes it more user friendlySep 25 03:11
sebsebseb,butSep 25 03:11
bruce89right, that's fairSep 25 03:11
sebsebsebMandriva has better user friendly tools, that also  weren't patches for Gnome,  I mean the control centre for exampleSep 25 03:11
sebsebsebbruce89: and for some users these Gnome paches,  make it more user friendly for them, if you like it or notSep 25 03:12
sebsebsebin fact there was soeone I  chatted to online not that long agoSep 25 03:12
bruce89what I am trying to get you to say is in what way?Sep 25 03:12
sebsebsebhe knew they were patches downstreame, but he tried Fedora I think it was, but then soon went back to Ubuntu afterwoulds, because of the patchesSep 25 03:12
sebsebsebhow or why something is more user friendly than something else, depends on the user, and what they want to be doing on their computerSep 25 03:13
bruce89well, that just tells me that this is their planSep 25 03:13
sebsebseband Canonical do case studiies on user friendlynessSep 25 03:13
sebsebseband there was a link or something, about how they would do it on a web cam or something, I think, but I didn't read itSep 25 03:14
bruce89and did any of these studies recommend patching the hell out of GNOME?Sep 25 03:14
sebsebsebI don't knowSep 25 03:14
bruce89schestowitz: sorry about thisSep 25 03:14
sebsebsebbruce89: eh it would have been rather quite in here tonight probably, if it wasn't for this anywaySep 25 03:15
sebsebsebbruce89: distros change what they want to  change, get over itSep 25 03:16
bruce89you can talkSep 25 03:16
sebsebsebobviously we probably won't agree with all the changes,  if we know about them, but thats how it isSep 25 03:16
sebsebseband yes I have whined aboutSep 25 03:16
sebsebsebGnome patches to UbuntuSep 25 03:16
bruce89and now you just defend them by saying something nebulousSep 25 03:17
sebsebsebhowever whatever, Gnome 2 is on the verge of dieing now,  and I expect,  as a result,  this won't be such a thing anymore, when distros start using Gnome 3Sep 25 03:17
bruce89Canonical won't dump their work you knowSep 25 03:17
sebsebsebbruce89: If they don't use Gnome 3 by defaultSep 25 03:18
bruce89upstream may reimplement things that are similar in any caseSep 25 03:18
sebsebsebin 11.10Sep 25 03:18
sebsebsebat leastSep 25 03:18
sebsebsebthen well theres the InternetSep 25 03:18
sebsebseba lot of people will be annoyed I expectSep 25 03:18
bruce89those omgponies people are being whipped up into hating GNOME you knowSep 25 03:18
sebsebseband the Internet can be very powerful at getting the message out that something is bad, even if it might not be really for a particualr user, I  mean lets take Vista for exampleSep 25 03:19
bruce89so that they won't mind when Ubuntu fork itSep 25 03:19
sebsebsebbruce89: I haven't read omgubuntu for about  a week now by the waySep 25 03:19
bruce89yikesSep 25 03:19
sebsebsebbruce89: got to interested in Mageia to want to do that :)Sep 25 03:19
bruce89stop highlighting meSep 25 03:19
sebsebseband yes there is  a lot of ignorance and so on in comments on that siteSep 25 03:20
sebsebseband sometimes the blog enteries them selves aren't that great eitherSep 25 03:20
schestowitzbruce89: don't be sorry :-)Sep 25 03:21
bruce89ugh, I'm more sorry at myself, I keep thinking this is interstingSep 25 03:21
sebsebsebbruce89: and I remember when I went to the IRC channel for omgubuntu not  that long ago, mentioend mono,  and it was linke you can't use this link, because it was from techrightsSep 25 03:21
schestowitzI read itSep 25 03:21
schestowitzAnd yes, I adviced sebsebseb to highlight people lessSep 25 03:21
sebsebsebalso someone was like,  we don't need GnomeSep 25 03:22
bruce89I'd like to see them trySep 25 03:22
sebsebsebtheir is a lot of ignorance that sorrounds omgubuntu and is well on the siteSep 25 03:22
sebsebseband a lot of fanboyism as wellSep 25 03:22
sebsebseband as schestowitz  has said at least twice on his blog, Mono promotionSep 25 03:22
schestowitzunder 18sSep 25 03:22
sebsebsebwell joey is like 21 or 22Sep 25 03:23
schestowitzThat's oldSep 25 03:23
sebsebsebthat humphreybc guy is  20 now I thinkSep 25 03:23
schestowitzThat makes his like the grandpa thereSep 25 03:23
bruce89well, I believe age doesn't matter, but maturity doesSep 25 03:23
sebsebsebhowever yes from my expereince with omgubuntu  I mean the IRCSep 25 03:23
schestowitzToo young to grow #neckbeardsSep 25 03:24
sebsebsebas well as comments on the site for that matter that I have readSep 25 03:24
sebsebsebthey do seem to have a lot of young fan boysSep 25 03:24
bruce89I mean a 19 year old can play well at stand off for GlasgowSep 25 03:24
bruce89code: good thingSep 25 03:24
*sebsebseb will probably also start to not read most blog enteires on omgubuntuSep 25 03:26
sebsebsebI mean I read a lot of junkSep 25 03:26
sebsebsebalso last time I was on it I looked at some stuff, but basically didn't bother with commentsSep 25 03:26
sebsebsebLife is short, so why waste my time,  reading about stupid add on apps that can be got for Ubuntu?Sep 25 03:27
sebsebseband stuff like thatSep 25 03:27
bruce89incidentally, http://www.osnews.com/permalink?441849 is an interesting commentSep 25 03:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: OSNews is Exploring the Future of Computing .::. Size~: 23.1 KBSep 25 03:27
sebsebsebnow yes there is omgubuntuSep 25 03:28
sebsebseb,but not everyone is a fan boy or girl that uses UbuntuSep 25 03:28
sebsebsebthere will be some very nice non technical people out there for example, that use UbuntuSep 25 03:28
bruce89and there has been someone on #gnome saying stuff about their KDE program's notification icon didn't work in Ubuntu due to the forkSep 25 03:28
sebsebsebthe Ubuntu fork you mean?Sep 25 03:28
bruce89of the notification icon standardSep 25 03:28
sebsebsebbruce89: if anything it is a user interface fork, but thats it really?Sep 25 03:29
bruce89no, it's an API fork too reallySep 25 03:29
sebsebsebI mean under the hood it is Gnome or pretty much right? no?Sep 25 03:29
bruce89sorry, indicator/notification areaSep 25 03:29
*sebsebseb should mabye burn another distro to CD / DVD first, before putting Ubuntu 10.10 on, I mean if I am really going to do it soonSep 25 03:30
bruce89normal programs use API in GTK+, but Ubuntu requires a seperate (CA) librarySep 25 03:30
sebsebsebI mean I don't want to be using a rubbish distro for months reallySep 25 03:30
bruce89CentOS!Sep 25 03:31
sebsebsebso what to do instead whilst waiting for Mandriva after being done with 10.10?Sep 25 03:31
sebsebsebCentOS your suggesting I think you kind of suggested that as a jokeSep 25 03:31
sebsebseb,but  yeah maybeSep 25 03:31
bruce89err, noSep 25 03:31
bruce89we're talking about GNOME 2.16 if I remember correctlySep 25 03:31
schestowitzcentos is used a lotSep 25 03:31
schestowitzmillions of machinesSep 25 03:31
sebsebsebPC Linux OS with XFCE or Englightment I am thinkingSep 25 03:32
sebsebsebagianSep 25 03:32
schestowitzTRIdentica and TRIdentica run on centosSep 25 03:32
sebsebsebI mean Mgeia might not even come out untill JanurareySep 25 03:32
schestowitzTRIdentica and TechrightsBot-tr I meantSep 25 03:32
bruce89indeed, a nice distro for stablitySep 25 03:32
sebsebsebor be on 10.10 untill... hmmSep 25 03:32
sebsebsebbruce89: I put 10.10 on and junk goes back onto my computerSep 25 03:33
bruce89dare I mention FedoraSep 25 03:33
sebsebsebyep Ubuntu OneSep 25 03:33
sebsebsebbruce89: well I was thinking Fedora as well maybeSep 25 03:33
bruce89or does it still have anaconda cootiesSep 25 03:33
schestowitzUbuntUnoSep 25 03:33
sebsebsebbruce89: yeah Fedora  that sounds more realistic to be honestSep 25 03:34
sebsebsebI meanSep 25 03:34
bruce89plus, you get the bonus of my wallpaperSep 25 03:34
sebsebsebFedora or PCLOSSep 25 03:34
sebsebsebMandriva 2010.1 is getting a bi to old for me now and suchSep 25 03:34
sebsebsebso thats not going back onSep 25 03:34
sebsebsebso I think about two or three weeks on 10.10Sep 25 03:35
sebsebsebthen put another distro onSep 25 03:35
bruce892 or 3 minutes would suffice surely?Sep 25 03:35
sebsebsebI mean I mainly want to put it on on here, to try Unity on here, which is probably not going to work so wellSep 25 03:35
sebsebsebsince its not made for desktops and yeahSep 25 03:36
bruce89that's not really the pointSep 25 03:36
bruce89any decent shell should work anywhere I should imagineSep 25 03:36
sebsebsebshell you mean Unity?Sep 25 03:36
sebsebsebFedora 14 is the next one?  when will that be out?Sep 25 03:37
bruce89as in any DE type thingSep 25 03:37
bruce89October I thinkSep 25 03:37
sebsebsebok so well I think I am away the last weekSep 25 03:37
sebsebsebso maye like November Fedora goes on hereSep 25 03:37
sebsebseband I can do PCLOS in a vmSep 25 03:38
sebsebsebI don't want to be  stuck on a rubbish distro  whilst waiting for Mageia realy, so yep 10.10 won't be on for that longSep 25 03:39
sebsebsebbruce89: and I think you know me :D and maybe even a bit worried about  itSep 25 03:39
bruce89erm?Sep 25 03:39
sebsebsebbruce89: that if I have 10.10 on here,  I might start whineing about Ubuntu even moreSep 25 03:39
bruce89no, whining would be an improvementSep 25 03:39
sebsebsebbruce89: oh you don't like when I sort of defend them?  and such?Sep 25 03:40
bruce89well, you can do what you likeSep 25 03:40
sebsebsebI know I won't like 10.10 much from vm trying of desktopSep 25 03:40
bruce89some back up of opinions may help next timeSep 25 03:41
*bruce89 has quit (Quit: Leaving)Sep 25 03:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat has the Best Relative Performance in the Systems Software Industry http://ur1.ca/1rlfp #redhat #red_hat !gnu !linuxSep 25 03:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Red Hat has the Best Relative Performance in the Systems Software Industry (RHT, ROVI, WBSN, CA, MFE) | Comtex SmarTrend .::. Size~: 23.44 KBSep 25 03:44
sebsebsebOk so who enjoyed reading the chat that just happended? :dSep 25 03:44
sebsebsebanyone schestowitz maybe?Sep 25 03:45
hazzyI was doing something elseSep 25 03:45
schestowitzI lurkedSep 25 03:46
hazzyOh, greatSep 25 03:46
hazzyhttp://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2010/09/22/5-major-uk-carriers-to-stock-windows-phone-7-devices/Sep 25 03:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: All 5 UK Carriers To Stock Windows Phone 7 Devices .::. Size~: 85.03 KBSep 25 03:46
schestowitzDoesn't say how muchSep 25 03:47
schestowitzAnd Microsoft probably pays /them/Sep 25 03:47
hazzyAfter the Kin fiasco, yeahSep 25 03:47
schestowitzVista Phone 7 is KINgSep 25 03:47
schestowitz // @satipera] I have just sat through 20 minute Windows phone 7 video at Engadget. The GUI is crude and ugly ugly ugly. Can't see Google loosing any sleepSep 25 03:48
schestowitzBallmer will need to go, BUT...Sep 25 03:48
hazzyThat story was really old, nevermind...it was posted in '08Sep 25 03:48
schestowitzDon't see how anyone else can save a legacy business where margins declineSep 25 03:48
hazzyHas Microsoft stopped extorting with patents?Sep 25 03:49
hazzyI haven't heard anything about it lateltSep 25 03:50
hazzylately*Sep 25 03:50
schestowitzthey still do itSep 25 03:51
schestowitzgnSep 25 03:51
hazzyNightSep 25 03:51
schestowitz";It's their nature"Sep 25 03:51
*frederich has quit (Quit: _1)Sep 25 03:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] No Jobs, Gates, or Ellison. The real genius was Sir Clive Sinclair. He was THE MANSep 25 04:17
*Tekk_ (~danny@c-68-36-24-93.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 04:21
Tekk_gonna be slow, relearning colemakSep 25 04:21
cubevectorwhat is colemak?Sep 25 04:29
cubevectoroh different keyboard layout?Sep 25 04:30
*cubevector wants an APL keyboard :)Sep 25 04:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Getting ready for my first day back to school. Wish me luck! :)Sep 25 04:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] And by the way, this year, we will learn Visual Basic 6.0.. Yay!Sep 25 04:34
Tekk_cubevector: yeahSep 25 04:36
Tekk_More efficient for touch typersSep 25 04:36
cubevectornotice no modern keyboard has a help button?Sep 25 04:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD @schestowitz: Intel's latest DRM fiasco http://www.defectivebydesign.org/intel-hdminsultSep 25 04:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Intel's HDMInsult | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 19.09 KBSep 25 04:37
Tekk_Make one with oneSep 25 04:37
cubevectorI just thought it was ironicSep 25 04:38
Tekk_How does that get here in irc faster than my client >>Sep 25 04:38
*hazzy has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)Sep 25 04:45
cubevectorKDE doesn't even have a default help keySep 25 04:52
cubevectoroops, sorry it does, F1Sep 25 04:53
cubevectoronly within the application thoughSep 25 04:53
Tekk_F1 on desktop launches general help in kdeSep 25 04:56
cubevectorhmmm, doesn't seem to work for meSep 25 04:58
cubevectorF1 will launch konqueror in xchat, oddly enoughSep 25 04:58
cubevectorTekk_, which distro are you using?Sep 25 04:59
cubevectoryeah F1 seems kind of universalSep 25 04:59
cubevectorF1 is help in firefoxSep 25 05:00
Tekk_mhmSep 25 05:00
Tekk_cubevector: trisquelSep 25 05:00
cubevectorF1 does nothing in bashSep 25 05:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Steve Jobs fixed the problem with suicides in FoxConn ur1.ca/1rkqhSep 25 05:01
*cubevector frowns at no 486 supportSep 25 05:02
*cubevector is still looking for the perfect OSSep 25 05:02
cubevectorthe silly thing is keyboards used to have help buttonsSep 25 05:04
Tekk_really?Sep 25 05:05
cubevectoryes of course :)Sep 25 05:05
cubevectoris that a surprise?Sep 25 05:06
Tekk_yes, actually it isSep 25 05:06
*Tekk_ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal)Sep 25 05:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @schestowitz Grace Hopper Interview (1986) http://ur1.ca/1rlwv via @fontana and @lhSep 25 05:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Grace Hopper Interview (1986) .::. Size~: 30.75 KBSep 25 05:09
cubevectorcheck out the Amiga 500 keyboard:Sep 25 05:10
cubevectorhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Amiga500_system.jpgSep 25 05:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 25 05:10
cubevectorwell anyways, that's funnySep 25 05:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Great ideas! --> http://www.windley.com/archives/2010/06/starting_a_high_tech_business_plugging_the_fat_pigeon.shtmlSep 25 05:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Phil Windley's Technometria | Starting a High Tech Business: Plugging the Fat Pigeon .::. Size~: 34.69 KBSep 25 05:22
*neighborlee (~quassel@unaffiliated/neighborlee) has joined #techrightsSep 25 05:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Moe Alkaff on leaving sg. A lot to think about. http://ur1.ca/1rm08 #fbSep 25 05:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Moe Alkaff (migrated): Singaporeans should put their families first .::. Size~: 104.42 KBSep 25 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] The real problem with !java in Linux distros #packaging : http://is.gd/frH7lSep 25 05:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The real problem with Java in Linux distros « Seeing the fnords .::. Size~: 41.82 KBSep 25 05:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Know some cool apps that deserve more attention? Nominate them for my next !Ubuntu post-install guide www.reddit.com/tb/dimvqSep 25 05:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Faenza icon set, very nice http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/faenza-icon-set-gets-a-ppa/Sep 25 06:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Faenza icon set gets a PPA .::. Size~: 27.48 KBSep 25 06:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ok, I found an awesome them/icon combination. Elementary window border, Dust Sand controls, and Faenza icons set! :DSep 25 06:31
*Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrightsSep 25 06:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Alright it looks like I can't dim my notebook screen anymore and it's looks bright...looks like that means I am tired, time for bed!Sep 25 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !listening to @TimLouisJazz "Mood Swings" ... doing a bit more on the final reproof !edit before packing it in for the night !inconstantmoonSep 25 07:17
*jweyrich (~jweyrich@201-41-11-237.nhoce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) has joined #techrightsSep 25 07:22
*neighborlee has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Sep 25 07:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my Granddad. Not screaming in horror like the other passengers in his car!Sep 25 07:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Delicious Bookmark: LINUX System Call Quick Reference: http://bit.ly/a9dQTlSep 25 07:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Portalul #eRomania 2, o afacere de partid şi de stat – 10 milioane de euro pentru trezorierul Ivaşcu de la #PDL http://is.gd/frUJ5 #romaniaSep 25 07:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: EXCLUSIV. Portalul “eRomania2”, o afacere de partid şi de stat. Ministerul Comunicaţiilor – 10 milioane de euro pentru firma condusă de trezorierul Ivaşcu de la PDL Puterea - cotidian online .::. Size~: 27.99 KBSep 25 07:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Archbang Reloaded 64 bit has been released. !archlinux !linux !crunchbang http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06289Sep 25 07:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Distribution Release: ArchBang Linux 2010.09 (DistroWatch.com News) .::. Size~: 110.71 KBSep 25 07:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Finally got a post of digg's front page...about time, I used to get a lot on front page.Sep 25 07:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith Steve Jobs might call those nets at Foxconn, "freedom from death" http://ur1.ca/1rn8sSep 25 08:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Steve Jobs Offers World 'Freedom From Porn' .::. Size~: 87.35 KBSep 25 08:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Drink coffee, smoke ciggie, put old painting clothes on, and off to DIY store for more paint.Sep 25 08:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] (Almost) Everything you need to understand about video! Well spent 30mins in a long time! http://www.xiph.org/video/vid1.shtml #fbSep 25 08:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Xiph.Org Video Presentations: A Digital Media Primer for Geeks .::. Size~: 11.62 KBSep 25 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: Red Hat has the Best Relative Performance in the Systems Software Industry http://ur1.ca/1rlfp #redhat #red_hat !gnu !linuxSep 25 08:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Red Hat has the Best Relative Performance in the Systems Software Industry (RHT, ROVI, WBSN, CA, MFE) | Comtex SmarTrend .::. Size~: 23.44 KBSep 25 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Intel HDMInsult http://is.gd/fs4ku #drmSep 25 08:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Intel's HDMInsult | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 19.09 KBSep 25 08:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It's time to turn on the ‘freedom' http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/internet/article740185.ece #india #freedomSep 25 08:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Hindu : Sci-Tech / Internet : It's time to turn on the &lsquo;freedom' .::. Size~: 30.57 KBSep 25 08:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My Top 5 Favorite Free Software Programs http://ur1.ca/1rnkn !kde #emacs !fsSep 25 09:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: My Top 5 Favorite Free Software Programs - Watching the Watchers .::. Size~: 6.31 KBSep 25 09:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @NaomiAKlein Isn't Bono's RED all about buying lots of corporate crap to show how much we care about poverty? What's the difference?Sep 25 09:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Barclays PLC (NYSE: BCS) Boosts Price Target on Red Hat (NYSE: RHT) http://ur1.ca/1rnns Goldman Sachs too http://ur1.ca/1rnntSep 25 09:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle:    Barclays PLC (NYSE: BCS) Boosts Price Target on Red Hat (NYSE: RHT)  : American Banking News .::. Size~: 42.58 KBSep 25 09:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle:    Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (NYSE: GS) Boosts Price Target on Red Hat (NYSE: RHT)  : American Banking News .::. Size~: 42.55 KBSep 25 09:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] Intel's latest DRM fiasco http://www.defectivebydesign.org/intel-hdminsult !gnu !linux !fsf !lp !lpitalia !dbdSep 25 09:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why IDG fails: http://ur1.ca/1rnog "small but vocal group of developers and enthusiasts" they belittle people who want law to be obeyedSep 25 09:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Intel's HDMInsult | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 19.09 KBSep 25 09:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle:         Dell Releases Streak's Source Code | News & Opinion  | PCMag.com     .::. Size~: 86.09 KBSep 25 09:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just because a small group of people is informed enough to be capable of initiating doesn't make it "disruptive and annoying"...#idg #failSep 25 09:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Bom sabado!" orkut bug/vulnerability : http://is.gd/fs8EFSep 25 09:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Just For You: "Bom Sabado" Bug Creating Problems in Orkut .::. Size~: 60.71 KBSep 25 09:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Running An Encrypted LVM In Ubuntu 10.10: Back with Ubuntu 7.10 an option was added to Ubuntu's alternate CD insta... http://bit.ly/afDsOISep 25 09:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] 2010 Linux Graphics Survey Reminder: As a reminder to those interested in participating in our annual Linux Graphi... http://bit.ly/djQIwpSep 25 09:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Running An Encrypted LVM In Ubuntu 10.10 .::. Size~: 19.78 KBSep 25 09:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] 2010 Linux Graphics Survey Reminder .::. Size~: 16.9 KBSep 25 09:37
*Judas_PhD has quit (Quit: This is a quitting message)Sep 25 09:48
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Axiomtek-GOT815/?kc=rssSep 25 10:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Touchscreen PC can be mounted outdoors - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 52.89 KBSep 25 10:05
schestowitzWhat's this hype w/ touchscreenSep 25 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Kafkaesque Question Of Who Owns Kafka's Papers - http://bit.ly/aXt6JK fascinating and important issues #copyright #kafkaSep 25 10:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Kafkaesque Question Of Who Owns Kafka's Papers | Techdirt .::. Size~: 31.61 KBSep 25 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Kafka’s Last Trial - http://nyti.ms/aP04Qk the NYT article discussed by @mmasnick in that last post: wonderful journalism #kafka #nytSep 25 10:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.12 KBSep 25 10:16
*Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrightsSep 25 10:32
*scientes (~scientes@c-76-28-168-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 10:38
*Judas_PhD has quit (Quit: This is a quitting message)Sep 25 10:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] LOL ♺ @ThE_ED: OH: MAC adres? Maar ik heb helemaal geen Mac!Sep 25 10:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Gentrification posited as motive for attack on Tophane art galleries - http://bit.ly/aemGE1 worrying article and comments #turkeySep 25 11:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gentrification posited as motive for attack on Tophane art galleries - Hurriyet Daily News and Economic Review .::. Size~: 48.51 KBSep 25 11:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] X. Niel "c'est notre Steve Jobs à nous." http://is.gd/fshBz >> heu… #lolSep 25 11:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Xavier Niel change de monde - L'EXPRESS .::. Size~: 75.05 KBSep 25 11:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] CD Sales Continue To Plummet, Vinyl Records Soar - http://bit.ly/b5sUd4 making money from analogue scarcity, not digital abundance #musicSep 25 11:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Entertainment Story | CD Sales Continue To Plummet, Vinyl Records Soar .::. Size~: 166.42 KBSep 25 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] First #MeeGo tablet ships http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/WePad-and-NFS-NPad/?kc=rssSep 25 11:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ACS:Law Anti-Piracy Law Firm Torn Apart By Leaked Emails - http://bit.ly/9KEVHN adverse publicity taking its tool, it seems #acslawSep 25 11:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: First MeeGo tablet ships - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 59.45 KBSep 25 11:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle:    ACS:Law Anti-Piracy Law Firm Torn Apart By Leaked Emails | TorrentFreak   .::. Size~: 109.13 KBSep 25 11:12
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/51822412#notice-52296392 "@schestowitz Huh? "This analysis was compiled based on yesterday's trading activity"? What's the relevance? #redhat #red_hat !gnu !linux"Sep 25 11:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 12.26 KBSep 25 11:14
*scientes has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Sep 25 11:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Chrome Web Store Will Debut This Year, Integrates Google Checkout and Apps Preview http://goo.gl/380CSep 25 11:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Chrome Web Store Will Debut This Year, Integrates Google Checkout and Apps Preview | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 45.05 KBSep 25 11:14
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68G06S20100917Sep 25 11:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: LG Elec names new CEO as mobile business struggles| Reuters .::. Size~: 67.25 KBSep 25 11:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] More than 20 cities rally for Bradley Manning http://bit.ly/d2ksJV !p !pi4li #savebradley #whistleblower via @wikileaksSep 25 11:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bradley Manning Support Network  » Archive  » More than Twenty Cities Rally for Bradley Manning .::. Size~: 39.21 KBSep 25 11:29
*MinceR_ (~mincer@unaffiliated/mincer) has joined #techrightsSep 25 11:38
*MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)Sep 25 11:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Ritchie De Laet goes on loan to Sheffield Utd !mufc !football http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_6399152,00.htmlSep 25 11:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sky Sports | Football | News | Blades bring in De Laet .::. Size~: 99.59 KBSep 25 11:41
*MinceR_ is now known as MinceRSep 25 11:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Robocopyright ACTA - http://bit.ly/axwa8W rather fine mashup of #Robocop and #ACTA - don't miss the end...Sep 25 11:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - Robocopyright ACTA   .::. Size~: 110.33 KBSep 25 11:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Glinner clear CPS has no grasp of how tech is changing the world. This is why legislation like #3strikes so dangerous #twitterjoketrialSep 25 11:49
*squarepeg has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)Sep 25 11:55
*squarepeg (~Balzac@173-203-89-104.static.cloud-ips.com) has joined #techrightsSep 25 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] ZOMG !!! crazy bit of lightning/thunder just nowSep 25 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Android forms basis of Thales IFEC http://ur1.ca/1rp4g More !Linux in planesSep 25 12:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Android forms basis of Thales IFEC - Runway Girl .::. Size~: 73.96 KBSep 25 12:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTE: A look at Foursquare – Google Wave syndrome? http://tinyurl.com/3a95nye !foursquare !facebookSep 25 12:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A look at Foursquare  Google Wave syndrome? « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 45.18 KBSep 25 12:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: A look at Foursquare – Google Wave syndrome? http://tinyurl.com/3a95nye !foursquare !facebookSep 25 12:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A look at Foursquare  Google Wave syndrome? « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 45.18 KBSep 25 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ACS:Law (Gay) Porn Letters Target Pensioners, Married Men - http://bit.ly/96THek "a look at some of the human victims of this scheme"Sep 25 12:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle:    ACS:Law (Gay) Porn Letters Target Pensioners, Married Men | TorrentFreak   .::. Size~: 42.12 KBSep 25 12:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I installed Xubuntu #Maverick as secondary OS my notebook yesterday evening.Sep 25 12:17
*oiaohm (~oiaohm@252.166-27-211.dynamic.dsl.brs.iprimus.net.au) has joined #techrightsSep 25 12:18
*oiaohm has quit (Changing host)Sep 25 12:18
*oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #techrightsSep 25 12:18
oiaohmhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/   Now this is just sadSep 25 12:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How do you copy 60m files? • The Register .::. Size~: 22.57 KBSep 25 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sharing is legitimate - http://bit.ly/cN8zMM great piece; I was thinking about exactly these points this morning #sharing #copyrightSep 25 12:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Philippe Aigrain » Le partage est légitime .::. Size~: 24.29 KBSep 25 12:19
schestowitz_logoiaohm: yes, talked about it yesterdaySep 25 12:20
schestowitz_logWindowsSep 25 12:20
oiaohmI was refering to the quality of the reporting schestowitz_logSep 25 12:33
oiaohmEven using cp if you are not careful NTFS under windows still can end up critically fragmented while doing a large set of copies.   schestowitz_logSep 25 12:34
oiaohmBasically best solution copy to a file server with a file system that works.Sep 25 12:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 25/9/2010: GNU/Linux in British Government, Trisquel GNU/Linux 4.0 is Out http://ur1.ca/1rpg6 !techrightsSep 25 12:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 25/9/2010: GNU/Linux in British Government, Trisquel GNU/Linux 4.0 is Out | Techrights .::. Size~: 148.14 KBSep 25 12:54
*jweyrich has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Sep 25 12:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OpenOffice.org Base – No Frills Document Management | Linux User http://ping.fm/tUhnQSep 25 12:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nothing found for  Tutorials Openoffice-org-base-no-frills-document-management # .::. Size~: 35.91 KBSep 25 12:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Running An Encrypted LVM In Ubuntu 10.10 http://ping.fm/aYdnjSep 25 13:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Running An Encrypted LVM In Ubuntu 10.10 .::. Size~: 18.55 KBSep 25 13:01
*jweyrich (~jweyrich@201-14-220-125.nhoce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) has joined #techrightsSep 25 13:03
sebsebsebschestowitz_log: schestowitz oiaohm http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/benjamin-gets-his-hands-on-the-apple-magic-trackpad/Sep 25 13:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apples multi-touch Magic Trackpad tested in Ubuntu 10.10 .::. Size~: 103.73 KBSep 25 13:04
sebsebsebhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/benjamin-gets-his-hands-on-the-apple-magic-trackpad/Sep 25 13:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apples multi-touch Magic Trackpad tested in Ubuntu 10.10 .::. Size~: 103.73 KBSep 25 13:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OpenKM Add On http://ping.fm/VlUsFSep 25 13:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Not sure whether to post OO related addons in the current #scoracle climate but I figure they're useful all the same?Sep 25 13:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: OpenKM Add On | OpenOffice.org repository for Extensions .::. Size~: 13.71 KBSep 25 13:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How to Enable 'Tabbed Options' in #Chromium ~ #Ubuntu Vibes http://ping.fm/sJtwkSep 25 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Chrome Web Store Will Debut This Year, Integrates Google Checkout and Apps Preview | Tech Drive-in http://ping.fm/NhSntSep 25 13:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to Enable 'Tabbed Options' in Chromium ~ Ubuntu Vibes .::. Size~: 88.47 KBSep 25 13:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Chrome Web Store Will Debut This Year, Integrates Google Checkout and Apps Preview | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 45.05 KBSep 25 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Google, this might be the greatest thing you've ever done: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n4-oVOKoLYSep 25 13:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - Google Search with My Location : Pizza   .::. Size~: 129.36 KBSep 25 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android Notifier App Sends Notifications From Your Phone Right to Your Desktop | Tech Drive-in http://ping.fm/GkbPeSep 25 13:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Android Notifier App Sends Notifications From Your Phone Right to Your Desktop | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 45.18 KBSep 25 13:12
schestowitzsebsebseb: thanksSep 25 13:21
oiaohmReally the multi touch issue effects lot of other thing as well.Sep 25 13:22
oiaohmInteresting that its detecting as a standard touch pad.Sep 25 13:22
MinceRlike i said, omgubuntu is a hive of drooling fanboysSep 25 13:22
MinceR"oh wow, crApple, i'm pissing myself"Sep 25 13:23
oiaohmIe why is instlalling under windows so hard.Sep 25 13:23
MinceRit's a useless gimmick, a mouse can be used in its place and does a much better workSep 25 13:23
MinceRas an added bonus, he advertises a m$ mouse beside itSep 25 13:23
schestowitzMinceR: better fanboiis on Linux' side than Apple'Sep 25 13:23
oiaohmMinceR: really somethings apple does do a good job with.Sep 25 13:23
schestowitz*Apple'sSep 25 13:24
MinceRschestowitz: they're not on the side of gnu/linuxSep 25 13:24
schestowitzThey areSep 25 13:24
schestowitzUbuntuSep 25 13:24
MinceRthey're anti-free software, pro-mono, pro-crAppleSep 25 13:24
schestowitzWHat can you do...Sep 25 13:24
MinceRi'm not talking about ubuntuSep 25 13:24
MinceRi'm talking about omgubuntuSep 25 13:24
schestowitzwhat is "omg"? :-Sep 25 13:24
schestowitzLet's thik...Sep 25 13:25
MinceRit's the abbreviation of an exclamation to their invisible friendSep 25 13:25
schestowitzLet's think... alternative acronyms..Sep 25 13:25
oiaohmReally MinceR I am sorry to say there is no such thing as a Linux mouse to buy at the moment.Sep 25 13:25
schestowitzOver Mac....Sep 25 13:25
oiaohmSo microsoft mouse next to a apple mouse we have to live with.Sep 25 13:25
MinceRoiaohm: Logitech mice are still better and don't fund m$, afaikSep 25 13:26
oiaohmAt least the bugger works.Sep 25 13:26
schestowitzOwing Mac Gratis Ubuntu?Sep 25 13:26
oiaohmNot really Logitech pays MS for use of some patents.Sep 25 13:26
MinceRthere's also Razer, Cyborg, Steelseries and whateverSep 25 13:26
schestowitzDOesn't work..Sep 25 13:26
oiaohmIe Logitech pay MS less not nothing.  MinceRSep 25 13:26
MinceRoiaohm: better than having m$ get all the moneySep 25 13:26
oiaohmThe laser mouse I have sitting on My desk is pay MS nothing.Sep 25 13:27
MinceRwhat kind?Sep 25 13:27
oiaohmlazer sorrySep 25 13:27
oiaohmIts one of those odd made in china brands.  Direct imported.Sep 25 13:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Modkit - a graphical programming environment for #Arduino http://ping.fm/BpumZSep 25 13:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Make: Online : Modkit - a graphical programming environment for Arduino .::. Size~: 49.24 KBSep 25 13:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 10 Essential WordPress Plugins for Every WordPress Installation http://ping.fm/QdAsESep 25 13:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 10 Essential WordPress Plugins for Every WordPress Installation .::. Size~: 66.5 KBSep 25 13:32
oiaohmhttp://www.laserco.com.au Opps I had it right the first time.   MinceRSep 25 13:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 301 Error .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 25 13:34
MinceRicSep 25 13:36
oiaohmhttp://www.laserco.com.au/input_device/mice/MOUSE-TRAVEL.htm  They do have some nice mice designs.Sep 25 13:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: LASER Corporation .::. Size~: 22.04 KBSep 25 13:37
MinceRi wouldn't call that "nice" :>Sep 25 13:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Linux [...] with the !KDE desktop http://ur1.ca/1rpro http://ur1.ca/1rprp http://ur1.ca/1rprqSep 25 13:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux finally matches Windows' eye candy with the KDE desktop .::. Size~: 162.09 KBSep 25 13:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Blue Mint: The 5 Dollar KDE Challenge .::. Size~: 52.81 KBSep 25 13:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The future of KDE | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 72.92 KBSep 25 13:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] stable review: 2.6.32.23 http://bit.ly/csZAQf 2.6.35.6 http://bit.ly/90gpxo #linux #kernel "Responses [...] by September 26, 17:00:00 UTC"Sep 25 13:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gmane Loom .::. Size~: 0.46 KBSep 25 13:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gmane Loom .::. Size~: 0.46 KBSep 25 13:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Meego... of 10 Gnome packages in package manager 8 are mono or .netSep 25 13:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Robocopyright ACTA (as Ogg) http://ur1.ca/1rpsm #intellectualmonopoly #acta #playogg #robocopyright #videoSep 25 13:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Robocopyright ACTA (as Ogg) | Techrights .::. Size~: 97.64 KBSep 25 13:41
oiaohmNice for the traveler.  MinceRSep 25 13:41
oiaohmOnly mouse I know of that has a inbuilt lead retraction.  MinceRSep 25 13:42
oiaohmAnd yes in a dark room is a simple to find mouse.Sep 25 13:42
oiaohmTo be more correct laser stuff is more practical than fancy.Sep 25 13:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Nokia N900 Review - Maximum PC !Maemo http://ping.fm/C5LfySep 25 13:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nokia N900 Review | Maximum PC .::. Size~: 48.16 KBSep 25 13:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Int'l group cites Koronadal public school for promoting free software - Trading Markets http://ping.fm/cAnxfSep 25 13:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Int'l group cites Koronadal public school for promoting free software  | TradingMarkets.com  .::. Size~: 30.89 KBSep 25 13:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I have been looking into and playing with Meego for about a day now, so far I am not very impressed. Change of plan I think.Sep 25 14:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @methoddan Eagerly awaiting the result today of Britain's Got Millibands... aka the Labour leadership contest. !politicsSep 25 14:42
*amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)Sep 25 15:04
*amarsh04 (~amarsh04@ppp118-210-144-95.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 15:12
*jweyrich has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Sep 25 15:14
*jweyrich (~jweyrich@189-30-196-6.nhoce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) has joined #techrightsSep 25 15:16
*oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Sep 25 15:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #AMD Feels Revenue Pinch By Maureen O'Gara http://goo.gl/3rZ4Sep 25 15:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: AMD Feels Revenue Pinch | Open Source Magazine .::. Size~: 121.42 KBSep 25 15:31
amarsh04it's unfortunately amusing the way "articles by" (to use that term loosely) end up looking like actions for which MOG is responsibleSep 25 15:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] Submitted sqlninja - A tool for sql server injection and takeover for review : http://is.gd/fsytb rhbz#637402 !fedoraSep 25 15:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 25 15:37
amarsh04many people will not buy intel on principleSep 25 15:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Gr8, love Robocop, that clip was just awesome. In Robocop's spirit, we now see internet freedom at stakes.Sep 25 15:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Should the Command Line Be Deep-Sixed? http://goo.gl/4OUB "Someone has a problem; I can give them a sequence of commands to run"Sep 25 15:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Technology News: Community: Should the Command Line Be Deep-Sixed? .::. Size~: 62.22 KBSep 25 15:46
*Thrae has quit (Quit: Restarting client or something...)Sep 25 15:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Interesting discussion at #ossbc about most social networks ToCs being incompatible with ideals of Free Software. /by @popeySep 25 15:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Popular webOS Feed Reader Goes Open Source http://ur1.ca/1rqli Now, let's see if #HP can liberate #WebOS !linuxSep 25 15:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Popular webOS Feed Reader Goes Open Source - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 31.63 KBSep 25 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] New family of Arduino Boards: available immediately at World Maker Faire NY http://ping.fm/xNnrPSep 25 15:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Make: Online : New family of Arduino Boards: available immediately at World Maker Faire NY .::. Size~: 48.66 KBSep 25 15:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Wow, the Human and Human Clearlooks theme looks really dated when compared to Ambiance and Radiance theme. !ubuntuSep 25 15:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Moore’s law in short - http://bit.ly/98m0H6 lest we forget #mooreslawSep 25 15:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Moores law in short: .::. Size~: 92.23 KBSep 25 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How do you copy 60m files? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/ "best way [...] turns out to be: use Linux."Sep 25 16:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How do you copy 60m files? • The Register .::. Size~: 22.57 KBSep 25 16:01
schestowitz[15:37] <amarsh04> it's unfortunately amusing the way "articles by" (to use that term loosely) end up looking like actions for which MOG is responsibleSep 25 16:01
schestowitzRemember that Intel funded SCO by sponsoring a forumSep 25 16:02
schestowitz[15:37] <amarsh04> many people will not buy intel on principleSep 25 16:02
schestowitzMYself includedSep 25 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody for a fair comparison they need identical form factors.Sep 25 16:06
schestowitz"Sorry, had to pull the story because it redirected to a malware site." http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-09-21-015-35-OS-SWSep 25 16:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux Today - Evaluating the Value of Your (GNU/Linux) Website .::. Size~: 78.54 KBSep 25 16:11
schestowitzHeg.Sep 25 16:11
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-09-21-015-35-OS-SW-0001 http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-09-21-015-35-OS-SW-0000Sep 25 16:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux Today - Evaluating the Value of Your (GNU/Linux) Website .::. Size~: 73.78 KBSep 25 16:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux Today - Evaluating the Value of Your (GNU/Linux) Website .::. Size~: 73.88 KBSep 25 16:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Canonical Design could make its demos available as Ogg Theora so that people needn't buy patents from patent trolls (MPEG-LA) and use TrashSep 25 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Money before ethics http://ur1.ca/1rqv7Sep 25 16:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Awesome, I was mentioned on Linux Outlaws 166!Sep 25 16:26
*jweyrich has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Sep 25 16:36
*Diablo-D3 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Sep 25 16:41
*jweyrich (~jweyrich@189-10-156-153.nhoce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) has joined #techrightsSep 25 16:43
*Thrae (~ircuser@generalmx-1-pt.tunnel.tserv13.ash1.ipv6.he.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 16:43
*jweyrich has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Sep 25 16:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] I keep forgetting my little EeeBox has an SD card soltSep 25 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Chelsea lose, Arsenal lose, Liverpool draw. Come on !united dont mess it up tomorrowSep 25 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Six arrested in Northumbria http://ur1.ca/1rrcmSep 25 17:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] !listening to No No by Raghav from Storyteller !lastfmSep 25 17:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Check this video out -- Clive Sinclair http://youtube.com/watch?v=OzuJ7I… via @youtube The real Genius of information technologySep 25 17:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube      - Broadcast Yourself.   .::. Size~: 88.81 KBSep 25 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Check this video out -- Clive Sinclair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzuJ7IRfcsA The real Genius of information technologySep 25 18:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - Clive Sinclair   .::. Size~: 110.9 KBSep 25 18:01
*gnufreex (~quassel@178-223-116-116.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) has joined #techrightsSep 25 18:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @schestowitz: You're right. I won't feed the troll.Sep 25 18:12
*ThistleWeb (~gordon@87.112.17.166.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 18:16
*ThistleWeb has quit (Changing host)Sep 25 18:16
*ThistleWeb (~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #techrightsSep 25 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: World Day Against the Death Penalty http://ur1.ca/1rrt8Sep 25 18:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I wonder if the Ubuntu netbook edition with uTouch will be a better option on a 10 inch tablet than Meego?Sep 25 18:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: Popular webOS Feed Reader Goes Open Source http://ur1.ca/1rqli Now, let's see if #HP can liberate #WebOS !linuxSep 25 18:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sagarun: Submitted sqlninja - A tool for sql server injection and takeover for review : http://is.gd/fsytb rhbz#637402 !fedoraSep 25 18:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @hircus: Frustrated by #ath9k wireless performance on my netbook. Tried !Fedora 13 & 14 kernels. High packet loss rate, Windows works fineSep 25 18:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Popular webOS Feed Reader Goes Open Source - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 31.63 KBSep 25 18:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: sqlninja - a SQL Server injection & takeover tool .::. Size~: 6.97 KBSep 25 18:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @chrisccoulson: The #lightning extension for #thunderbird is back in the !Ubuntu archive for #maverick :-)Sep 25 18:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The only way I can add subfolders to my iPad mail app is by signing up to a MobileMe account? Wrong, wrong #failSep 25 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Do you know your Kernel Jiffies? (IBM) http://bit.ly/9fx21FSep 25 18:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Kernel command using Linux system calls .::. Size~: 65.61 KBSep 25 18:37
*ThistleWeb has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)Sep 25 18:49
*Ender2070 (~ender2070@adsl-174-138-211-55.ext.distributel.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 19:06
Ender20702.6.35.4-28.fc14.x86_64Sep 25 19:11
Ender2070:PSep 25 19:12
amarsh04schestowitz, the image of Balmer at http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/HP-Slate-Steve-Balmer-thumb-550xauto-34165.jpg reminds me of the Addams family's Uncle FesterSep 25 19:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 25 19:12
amarsh04since I'm running radeon graphics card I compiled something even more recent from kernel.orgSep 25 19:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Harta electronică a României interbelice http://is.gd/fsMAm #romania #map #monarchy #wwii #historySep 25 19:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Harta electronică a României interbelice «  Romania. Altfel .::. Size~: 10.71 KBSep 25 19:12
amarsh04kernel 2.6.36-rc2 and later are useful if you are driving a hd television from a radeon via dvi-d/hdmiSep 25 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The electronic map of interbellic Romania http://is.gd/fsMGT #romania #map #monarchy #wwii #historySep 25 19:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Protretul Romaniei Interbelice .::. Size~: 9.26 KBSep 25 19:14
Ender2070radeon, ughSep 25 19:14
Ender2070anyone want to try F14 beta?Sep 25 19:15
Ender2070Konversation 1.3.1 is nice :DSep 25 19:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] I know its a respected textbook, but using privately defined headers in the code examples just seems wrong, pedagogically speaking.Sep 25 19:21
*neighborlee (~quassel@c-67-168-155-207.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 19:21
*neighborlee has quit (Changing host)Sep 25 19:21
*neighborlee (~quassel@unaffiliated/neighborlee) has joined #techrightsSep 25 19:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Quelle surprise! http://ur1.ca/1rsbmSep 25 19:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] RT @rms Urgent: World Day Against the Death Penalty http://ur1.ca/1rrt8Sep 25 19:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Microsoft reverses course: #IE9 won't require #Windows 7 SP1 http://is.gd/fsNCCSep 25 19:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft reverses course: IE9 won't require Windows 7 SP1 .::. Size~: 27.58 KBSep 25 19:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] !gnewsense wiki migration in a few hours. Logins disabled on www.gnewsense.org for !lp !lpitaliaSep 25 19:31
*amarsh04 is writing to info at linuxfoundation dot org - their use of the term "intellectual property" is Free software - hostileSep 25 19:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Having wreaked enough havoc for one day, time to do more homework for tonight's gig. Hopefully no one gets hurt as a result.Sep 25 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Nothing kills more than ignorant, close-minded teachers.Sep 25 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Uhm why did I find a kernel patch on the !ubuntu Launchpad but I can't find whether it was ever sent upstream? :/Sep 25 19:36
*hazzy (~jared@c-68-41-59-20.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 19:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Delicious Bookmark: Making Linux System Calls: http://bit.ly/9jAFYoSep 25 19:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: InformIT: Linux System Calls > Using strace .::. Size~: 37.08 KBSep 25 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] For Those Interested In Direct3D Over Gallium3D: There still is great interest and discussion among many users int... http://bit.ly/aSSHHUSep 25 19:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !listening to #Ella Fitzgerald sing "Day and Night" while working on my !nanowrimo novel !InconstantMoon. Does it get any better than this?Sep 25 19:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] For Those Interested In Direct3D Over Gallium3D .::. Size~: 18.95 KBSep 25 19:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] EU folk! rt @jerezim 5 days left to reply 2 the #NetNeutrality consultation! http://ur1.ca/1mf54 You have nothing better to do this weekend!Sep 25 19:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] << back to !edit ing !mynovel... the Internet will have to survive without me for a wee bit :DSep 25 19:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Make your voice heard on Net neutrality! | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 24.98 KBSep 25 19:52
*malacoda (~malacoda@cpe-68-206-255-156.satx.res.rr.com) has joined #techrightsSep 25 19:58
*malacoda has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Sep 25 19:59
sebsebseb[13:21] <MinceR> like i said, omgubuntu is a hive of drooling fanboysSep 25 20:08
sebsebsebIndeedSep 25 20:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Anybody knows what the #Netgear EVA2000 thingie actually use as software?Sep 25 20:09
*Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrightsSep 25 20:09
hazzyHm, why does Firefox en-gb ship with Mandriva en-us?Sep 25 20:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: Any idea why Seif Lofty was in here the other day?Sep 25 20:10
sebsebsebschestowitz: Maybe to keep an eye on us, in case we talked bad about OMGUbuntu? :DSep 25 20:10
sebsebsebhazzy: heres oneSep 25 20:13
sebsebsebhazzy: Why when choosing English for the language for Mandriva, when there is English American, does it still have en us?Sep 25 20:14
sebsebsebthat did annoy meSep 25 20:14
hazzyWhy does what still have en us?Sep 25 20:14
hazzyI understand what you mean other than thatSep 25 20:14
sebsebsebMandriva can't do languages properly it seemsSep 25 20:14
sebsebsebwhen I install I tell it to do English, but it still gives me en usSep 25 20:15
hazzyOh, right, I think I get itSep 25 20:15
sebsebseband there is an English American optionSep 25 20:15
hazzyYehSep 25 20:15
sebsebseband even after woulds if trying to change it in the control centre, it won't fix itSep 25 20:15
hazzyMandriva and it's languagesSep 25 20:15
hazzyWowSep 25 20:15
sebsebsebyeah I think I may have read something about languages and Mandriva, before I even installed the distro properly on to this computerSep 25 20:16
sebsebsebmain thing is I don't want my Firefox user agent to have en-us in it :)Sep 25 20:16
sebsebseb,but I have changed that myself a bit :)Sep 25 20:16
sebsebseblets not spread en-us :DSep 25 20:16
sebsebseben-gb is the one true EngilshSep 25 20:16
hazzyI have no opinion on that :PSep 25 20:17
sebsebsebhazzy: plus with en-us in my user agent, it would look like I am from the us, when I am notSep 25 20:17
hazzyYes!Sep 25 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Keith & Peter Talking About X.Org Development: The 2010 X.Org Developers' Summit in Toulouse has been over for a w... http://bit.ly/9jv89bSep 25 20:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Keith & Peter Talking About X.Org Development .::. Size~: 18.17 KBSep 25 20:17
sebsebsebhowever for you its not realy any issue as such, because your American anywaySep 25 20:18
sebsebseband so meant to have en-us reallySep 25 20:18
sebsebsebhazzy: something else that I didn't like about Mandriva is localhostSep 25 20:18
sebsebsebby default the hostname is loclahost, its pretty easy to change though, and I have done so before :)Sep 25 20:18
*bruce89 (~bruce89@109.224.132.14) has joined #techrightsSep 25 20:18
hazzyYeah, that annoys me somewhat tooSep 25 20:18
sebsebseblittle type there, localhostSep 25 20:18
sebsebseband then when I put on Mandriva 2010.0  I had a great bugSep 25 20:19
sebsebseband well I got that in my vm's as wellSep 25 20:19
sebsebsebbasically a message would come up saying that a new version was availalbe, and asking me if I wanted to upgrade to it, but it was the previous versionSep 25 20:19
sebsebsebthat bug seems to have been fixed thoughSep 25 20:19
sebsebsebsince well I did a clean install of 2010.1 for example on the other computer, and didn't get thatSep 25 20:20
hazzyOh, interestingSep 25 20:20
sebsebsebyeah there was some stuff on the web about the bug I just mentioend and such or whateverSep 25 20:20
sebsebsebhazzy: also when  I put 2010.0 on,  npviewer.bin (I think thats the correct name)  would crash every now and againSep 25 20:20
sebsebsebyeah Flash would crash every now and again, and I would get a bug report message,  which I liked, since the picture of the bug :DSep 25 20:21
hazzyHahaSep 25 20:21
bruce89bug-buddy?Sep 25 20:21
sebsebsebso yeah I got used to getting that sometimes, and closing the message and suchSep 25 20:21
sebsebsebbruce89: yeah I think thats itSep 25 20:22
sebsebsebmaybeSep 25 20:22
bruce89that is the GNOME thingSep 25 20:22
sebsebsebhazzy: and I asked someone who knew Mandriva really well about that, and he basically said it was to do with how I was running i586  for the program, and not i686Sep 25 20:22
sebsebsebhazzy: I could install a i686 from the repo to fix apparently, but I never did, but  this issue seemed to get fixed later on its own :)  so I assume after some sort of update I didSep 25 20:23
sebsebsebbruce89: probably the Gnome thing, since I was getting it on GnomeSep 25 20:23
gnufreexsebsebseb: I think whole 32-bit mandriva is i586Sep 25 20:23
sebsebsebgnufreex: yes I knowSep 25 20:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Harsh words from Iranian president at UN Assembly http://ur1.ca/1rsqnSep 25 20:24
sebsebseband how Mandriva versions are done is a bit stupid really.Sep 25 20:24
sebsebsebOne is only 32bit / i586Sep 25 20:24
gnufreexsebsebseb: Just run x86_64Sep 25 20:25
gnufreex:-)Sep 25 20:25
sebsebsebFree is both 32bit and 64bitSep 25 20:25
sebsebsebFree and One aren't that differnet :)  from what I been toldSep 25 20:25
sebsebsebhowever free is a DVD so can install both  Gnome and KDE from it :DSep 25 20:25
*hazzy has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Sep 25 20:25
sebsebseboh we lost hazzySep 25 20:25
sebsebseb:(Sep 25 20:26
bruce89lucky hazzySep 25 20:26
sebsebseband Powerpack is pointless for most users it seems, from what people have told me on IRCSep 25 20:26
*hazzy (~jared@c-68-41-59-20.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 20:27
sebsebsebhazzy: welcome backSep 25 20:27
hazzyHm, I didn't know I disconnectedSep 25 20:27
sebsebsebhazzy: heh you probably didn't miss much  really, but what was the las message you got from me?Sep 25 20:27
hazzy"yeah Flash would crash every now and again, and I would get a bug report message,  which I liked, since the  picture of the bug :DSep 25 20:28
hazzy"Sep 25 20:28
bruce89good lordSep 25 20:28
sebsebsebhazzy: ok and then I basically said after that how I got used to that crashing,  and that I asked someone about that and he told me the fix, install the i686 version of the program.   and bruce89 was like the error message is bug-buddy?   Then I started saying some stuff about the versions of Mandriva and how they are a bit silly.Sep 25 20:29
bruce89how can you find yourself so utterly facinating?Sep 25 20:30
sebsebsebabove how to fix, but I didn't, and  it did on its own so, after some update I installed I guessSep 25 20:30
sebsebsebbruce89: you missed some of this, but heh heh in a waySep 25 20:30
bruce89I mean missing a few seconds of IRC and you have to recap your brainless rantingSep 25 20:30
sebsebsebbruce89: I was telling hazzy about little issues I had with MandrivaSep 25 20:30
sebsebsebsince hazzy now uses itSep 25 20:30
hazzyYeahSep 25 20:31
hazzyFlash seems quite buggySep 25 20:31
bruce89amongst other thingsSep 25 20:31
gnufreexWhat do you guys think, what chip company is Larry buying?Sep 25 20:31
hazzyI'll be back laterSep 25 20:31
sebsebsebhazzy: and its good that Mageia will exist :)  won't feel like on some cut down version this way.  I mean like how if on Free or One  basically do since PowerpackSep 25 20:32
bruce89"<xircon> ebassi|afk: Not there will search, there is a GL.conf (I am new to Ubuntu - Mandriva refugee :))"Sep 25 20:33
sebsebsebbruce89: wheres that?Sep 25 20:33
bruce89another networkSep 25 20:33
sebsebseboh so someone that went Mandriva to UbuntuSep 25 20:33
sebsebsebbruce89: well apparenty some Swedish people were thinking about switching to Mint, from something I read on the  Mageia mailing list archeiveSep 25 20:34
sebsebseb,because of  the situtation with MandrivaSep 25 20:34
sebsebsebgnufreex: AMD?  ARM?Sep 25 20:35
gnufreexsebsebseb: Both of those would be disaster.Sep 25 20:35
sebsebsebgnufreex: Larry is the Intel guy right?Sep 25 20:36
bruce89neither are chip makersSep 25 20:36
gnufreexLarry is Larry guy.Sep 25 20:36
bruce89designers, yes, not manufacturersSep 25 20:36
gnufreexburce89: I think that is what Larry meant. He is to stupid to tell the diference.Sep 25 20:37
bruce89fair enoughSep 25 20:37
*scientes (~scientes@c-76-28-168-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 20:37
gnufreexAMD has deal to intel that all AMD patents go to Intel if AMD gets aquired. And AMD losses x86 license.Sep 25 20:37
gnufreexSo larry would be only buying shell.Sep 25 20:38
bruce89the way Intel are going recently is dodgySep 25 20:38
sebsebsebbruce89: yepSep 25 20:38
bruce89crippled chips that can be unlocked in Windows only, and suing people who use the HDCP master keySep 25 20:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Georgia county sues man for growing too many veggies: http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=13146141 #smallbizSep 25 20:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bountiful crop lands farmer in legal trouble - WALB.com News, Weather and Sports for Albany, Valdosta and Thomasville.  Leading the way for South Georgia. |  .::. Size~: 46.88 KBSep 25 20:39
gnufreexHere is the contract. http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/operations/ip/802.htmlSep 25 20:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 25 20:39
sebsebsebbruce89: oh I didn't know about that, but I did know about the bribeing Dell and so on, to not do AMD in their computersSep 25 20:40
gnufreexI don't remember what eqact section it is, but if anybody get hold of 51% of AMD stock, Intel owns everything.Sep 25 20:40
bruce89sounds niceSep 25 20:41
sebsebsebwhich?Sep 25 20:41
bruce89both reallySep 25 20:42
sebsebseboh okSep 25 20:42
gnufreex6.    EFFECTIVE DATE, TERM AND TERMINATION FOR CAUSESep 25 20:42
gnufreexSection 6.Sep 25 20:42
gnufreexReadSep 25 20:42
gnufreex  (7)   the other party undergoes a Change of Control. ForSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        purposes of this Section 6.2(b)(7), "Change of Control"Sep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        shall mean a transaction or a series of relatedSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        transactions in which (i) one or more related partiesSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        who did not previously own at least a fifty percentSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        (50%) interest in a party to this Agreement obtain atSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        least a fifty percent (50%) interest in such party, and,Sep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        in the reasonable business judgment of the other partySep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        to this Agreement, such change in ownership will have aSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        material effect on the other party's business, or (ii) aSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        party acquires, by merger, acquisition of assets orSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        otherwise, all or any portion of another legal entitySep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        such that either the assets or market value of suchSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        party after the close of such transaction are greaterSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        than one and one third (1 1/3) of the assets or marketSep 25 20:44
gnufreex                        value of such party prior to such transaction.Sep 25 20:44
gnufreex      6.3.  Survival. The provisions of Sections 1, 2, 4.5, 5, 6.3, 7 and 9 willSep 25 20:44
gnufreexOh crapSep 25 20:44
sebsebsebnice flooding bruce89 will love that DSep 25 20:45
sebsebseb:DSep 25 20:45
sebsebsebhe also might wonder if you know about pastebin :DSep 25 20:46
gnufreexStupid Intel and AMD, they can't even write legal papers without breaking IRC.Sep 25 20:46
gnufreexsebsebseb: Section 6.2 on the link that I posted before.Sep 25 20:46
gnufreexHere is it again. http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.com/operations/ip/802.htmlSep 25 20:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 25 20:47
sebsebsebgnufreex: whatever this is about, probably doesn't really effect me as suchSep 25 20:47
gnufreexsebsebseb: If AMD goes under or gets aquired, Intel has 100% of the market. I think it afects everyone :-)Sep 25 20:48
sebsebseboh right yeah, good pointSep 25 20:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @chriswaterguy When I see, in !Firefox 4, "The Adobe Flash plugin has crashed," my gut reaction is "Yay!" I wish #Flash would just di ...Sep 25 20:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] How to get Gmail's Priority Inbox on your mobile device http://ur1.ca/1rszm (via @downloadsquad)Sep 25 20:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to get Gmail's Priority Inbox on your mobile device .::. Size~: 66.78 KBSep 25 20:49
sebsebseband as far as I know Intel are like Microsoft at timesSep 25 20:50
gnufreexAnd... nobody is will have legal right to compete. That is even worse.Sep 25 20:50
sebsebsebso yep that woudn't be a good thing reallySep 25 20:50
sebsebsebnobody would have legal right to compete?Sep 25 20:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Do I feel bad. My litlebrother wanted my help installing !Fedora, and I was to bussy, and now he have installed XP 64bit. So sad...Sep 25 20:51
gnufreexsebsebseb: Intel has x86 patents. Nobody can make x86 chips if intel don't give them a license.Sep 25 20:52
sebsebsebgnufreex: ok well I think legally  that woudn't be alloweedSep 25 20:52
sebsebsebfor Intel to have 100% of the market and then do thatSep 25 20:52
*Ender2070 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)Sep 25 20:52
*Ender2070 (~ender2070@adsl-174-138-211-55.ext.distributel.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 20:53
gnufreexThey already did that.Sep 25 20:53
sebsebsebuhmm?Sep 25 20:53
Ender2070doesn't give me a lot of faith im AMD's survivalSep 25 20:53
sebsebsebhowever  Intel is in USA, and well we know what USA can be likeSep 25 20:53
sebsebsebsoftware patents and so onSep 25 20:53
gnufreexAMD got license thorught courd. They bet the company on lawsuit.Sep 25 20:53
gnufreexAnd won.Sep 25 20:53
gnufreexIn 1998Sep 25 20:53
gnufreexI tihnkSep 25 20:53
sebsebseband I guess the American goverment and so on, have pretty much acceppted Microsoft as a sort of monoplogy, so why not Intel in the future as well?Sep 25 20:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] I just hop he will give !Fedora another chance. He keept mumbling about his dvd with M$ driver didn't work. Pure kid. Welcome to the kernel.Sep 25 20:54
*bruce89 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Sep 25 20:54
sebsebsebanyway thats the problemSep 25 20:55
gnufreexUS gov. will accept any monopoly as long is American company and pays mayority of taxes in US.Sep 25 20:55
sebsebsebI mean this is the problem when companies run stuffSep 25 20:55
sebsebsebcompanies can = problemsSep 25 20:55
sebsebsebsimple as thatSep 25 20:55
gnufreexMonopoly is not illegal in US.Sep 25 20:55
gnufreexAbusing monopoly supose to be illegal.Sep 25 20:55
sebsebsebgnufreex: right, but a competting company could set up else  where, where Intel's patents do not apply?Sep 25 20:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Well sleep tight, hop the nitgh forgive me. !Fedora I love you and also my littlebrother..Sep 25 20:56
gnufreexBut when company has monopoly, it has money to do brain control, ie astroturfing, bribing politicians.Sep 25 20:56
sebsebseb,but then that competiting company woudn't be able to have their products sold on teh US market?Sep 25 20:56
gnufreexyes.Sep 25 20:56
sebsebsebUSA is messed up anywaySep 25 20:57
sebsebseband people could buy another proccesser from abroad?Sep 25 20:57
*ThistleWeb (~gordon@87.112.17.166.plusnet.ptn-ag1.dyn.plus.net) has joined #techrightsSep 25 20:57
*ThistleWeb has quit (Changing host)Sep 25 20:57
*ThistleWeb (~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #techrightsSep 25 20:57
sebsebsebsadly a lot of this world likes to follow USA, so we got capitalism, consumerism, and money issuesSep 25 20:57
sebsebsebUSA  the big capitalist country, and there are a lot of problems as wellSep 25 20:58
sebsebseb,but I don't really follow this kind of st uffSep 25 20:59
sebsebsebanyway whats the big deal really if USA is forced to use Intel, but  other counteries can use another one?Sep 25 21:00
gnufreexUSA has is extremist country when it comes to capitlism. I don't think capitalism is bad, but Americans are extremists when it comest to regulations. They think any regulations are socialism and they think that socialism equals communism.  That is deeply flawed.Sep 25 21:00
sebsebsebgnufreex: communism has differnet meaningsSep 25 21:01
gnufreexsebsebseb: I know. Socialism and communism are not same things.Sep 25 21:02
gnufreexTypical americans think they are same thingsSep 25 21:02
gnufreexThere are socialist partys in europe, and they have been (and are) in power in many countries.Sep 25 21:03
gnufreexIt has nothing to do with comunismSep 25 21:03
ThistleWebcapitalism itself isn't a bad thing, but an unbalanced capitalism is, it's also not the solution for every problem as some seem to believe it isSep 25 21:03
Ender2070socialism has plenty to do with communismSep 25 21:03
Ender2070read the manifesto, nubSep 25 21:04
ThistleWebthe balance in capitalism is customer choice, when the company fails, customers choose the competitionSep 25 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: #Seabird - Mind Blowing Community Driven Mobile Phone Concept From #Mozilla Labs http://goo.gl/faT7Sep 25 21:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Seabird - Mind Blowing Community Driven Mobile Phone Concept From Mozilla Labs | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 45.04 KBSep 25 21:04
ThistleWebwhen you remove that choice, the balance is not thereSep 25 21:04
*Judas_PhD has quit (Remote host closed the connection)Sep 25 21:05
ThistleWebthey are still customers by the fact that they give money to private corps for goods or services, but if there is a defacto monopoly, there is no choiceSep 25 21:05
Ender2070communism is socialism in a hurry\Sep 25 21:05
gnufreexEnder2070: Communism goes packed with socialsim. Socialism doen't need to go with communism. It can go with capitalism.Sep 25 21:05
Ender2070-stalinSep 25 21:05
gnufreex/go/comeSep 25 21:06
ThistleWebhowever you want to cut it, no system is the ideal solution for everythingSep 25 21:06
ThistleWebevery debate / argument I've seen seems to think that one system must be chose to cover everythingSep 25 21:07
ThistleWebthere's also no clean example to praise or demonise as any systemSep 25 21:08
ThistleWebthe US / UK version of rich getting richer, unadulterated greed is not a good systemSep 25 21:09
gnufreexThistleWeb: That is what anoys me. Communism usually goes together with dictatorship and socialism. But you can have dictatorship standalone. You can have socialsim without communism.Sep 25 21:10
ThistleWebthere is no ideal exampleSep 25 21:10
gnufreexThere is nothing ideal.Sep 25 21:10
ThistleWebwhat we do have is history littered with corrupted examples from those in power at the time, seeking to twist it to their own gainSep 25 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I had two energy drinks today. Now I feel sick... :(Sep 25 21:11
ThistleWebwe also have the demonisation / evangelism - black / white portrayal in the media of various systems tooSep 25 21:11
ThistleWebalways from the angle of self interestSep 25 21:12
gnufreexI thought USA will go down with economic crysis.Sep 25 21:13
gnufreexThey are so hard against goverment intervention, tha I thought they will let empire crumble just because they tink intervention is communism.Sep 25 21:14
gnufreexBut I guess Obama is communist.Sep 25 21:14
gnufreexBy US standards.Sep 25 21:15
sebsebsebThistleWeb: before this we were talking about how Intel may buy AMD or something like thatSep 25 21:15
sebsebseband then own 100% of the marketSep 25 21:15
sebsebsebone thing lead to anotherSep 25 21:15
gnufreexThistleWeb: I was thinking about Obama givig money to the banks who started the crisis in first place.Sep 25 21:16
ThistleWebI prediect that they'll kick enough sand in peoples faces, that they'll increase the resentment of themselves, whuich will increase paranoia, and therefor increase defence spending, to the point where they're beseiged and bankrupt with no friends willing to help them. Already there's a LOT of US "friends" are only freinds like a bullies gang, easier to smile and agree than be targettedSep 25 21:16
ThistleWebwhen the strength ebbs away and the threat of attack to force people into line, they will abandon the US to its self inflicted fateSep 25 21:17
*bruce89 (~bruce89@109.224.132.14) has joined #techrightsSep 25 21:17
ThistleWebI'd expect not even a corrupt anti competition committee would allow intel to buy amdSep 25 21:18
gnufreexThistleWeb: It is not about Intel buying AMD.Sep 25 21:18
gnufreexIt is about Oracle buying AMD and trigering Intel's viral contract.Sep 25 21:19
gnufreexIf anyone buys AMD, Intel owns the market.Sep 25 21:19
ThistleWebintel;s viral contract?Sep 25 21:19
gnufreexAMD losses x86(-64) license if gets aquired.Sep 25 21:20
sebsebsebbruce89: Whats upgrading Fedora like?Sep 25 21:20
sebsebsebGoes ok?Sep 25 21:20
gnufreexI posted the link to contract twice above. ThistleWeb.Sep 25 21:20
sebsebsebI mean  maybe i'll do Ubuntu 10.10 for a bit, put Fedora 13 on soonish after, and then upgrade to Fedora 14, when it comes outSep 25 21:20
gnufreexTo the public part of the contract, that is.Sep 25 21:20
gnufreexThere are censored parts.Sep 25 21:21
bruce89pretty nivcveSep 25 21:21
bruce89preupgradeSep 25 21:21
ThistleWebwhich would get some intervention by the various anti-competiton committeesSep 25 21:21
gnufreexI don't think so. Why would do that when did nothing to Microsoft?Sep 25 21:23
bruce89https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PreupgradeSep 25 21:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to use PreUpgrade - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 33.1 KBSep 25 21:23
ThistleWebmicrosoft wouldnt ever have 100% of the marketSep 25 21:24
ThistleWebunix / linux and osx existSep 25 21:24
gnufreexAlso, ARM, POWER and SPARC exist.Sep 25 21:25
ThistleWebif those conditions exist, then it'd be a case for "too big to fail"Sep 25 21:25
gnufreexIt wouldn't be exacly 100% of whole CPU market.Sep 25 21:25
sebsebsebbruce89: do you have your name on the top right in Fedora at all?Sep 25 21:25
sebsebsebbruce89: I was just seeing someones screenshot, and he doesSep 25 21:26
bruce89yesSep 25 21:26
bruce89that's fusa, not some patchSep 25 21:26
sebsebsebif I remember correcty though yes there is that, but yep shut down and log out in system menuSep 25 21:26
bruce89yesSep 25 21:26
sebsebsebyep Ubuntu's patch brakes that reallySep 25 21:26
sebsebsebbruce89: if clicking fusa though,  its also a way to switch off?Sep 25 21:28
sebsebsebaccording to this other guy it isSep 25 21:29
bruce89noSep 25 21:29
bruce89in GNOME-shell, sort of, but that's in shell, not fusaSep 25 21:29
gnufreex[22:24:25] <ThistleWeb> if those conditions exist, then it'd be a case for "too big to fail"Sep 25 21:29
gnufreexI don't understand this one.Sep 25 21:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Another domino in net censorship http://ur1.ca/1rt9xSep 25 21:29
sebsebsebah okSep 25 21:29
ThistleWebgnufreex: I mean they have a case to ask for some protection / funding etc to avoid ebing bough, if being bought hands the market to one companySep 25 21:30
bruce89technically, I think it's gdm-user-switch-appletSep 25 21:32
sebsebsebbruce89: oh okSep 25 21:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] saturday night: it's homework! #vdmSep 25 21:41
gnufreexThistleWeb: That would be "too important to fail". I don't see that happening. If AMD don't start making profit soon, they are dead.Sep 25 21:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ahhh...I am really getting my butt kicked in DragonQuest 9, need to level up more!Sep 25 21:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Lightspark's Advanced Graphics Engine Progresses: For those interested in the state of the "advanced graphics engi... http://bit.ly/dmZ81tSep 25 21:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Lightspark's Advanced Graphics Engine Progresses .::. Size~: 17.77 KBSep 25 21:49
sebsebsebbruce89: I read a comment on omgubuntu earlier that basicaly said that  the humphrey guy, likes fragmentation when it comes to anything, because it means competition and inovationSep 25 21:55
sebsebsebor when it comes to nearly anythingSep 25 21:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 25/9/2010: The 5 Dollar !KDE Challenge, Etc. http://techrights.org/2010/09/25/dollar-kde-challenge/Sep 25 22:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Lightspark's Advanced Graphics Engine Progresses http://ping.fm/B5wQbSep 25 22:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 25/9/2010: The 5 Dollar KDE Challenge, Etc. | Techrights .::. Size~: 140.22 KBSep 25 22:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Lightspark's Advanced Graphics Engine Progresses .::. Size~: 17.77 KBSep 25 22:01
schestowitz[19:31] * amarsh04 is writing to info at linuxfoundation dot org - their use of the term "intellectual property" is Free software - hostileSep 25 22:07
*Judas_PhD (~kevin@misterfluffy.dsl.xmission.com) has joined #techrightsSep 25 22:07
schestowitzThat's like telling IBM you don't like their patents :-)Sep 25 22:07
amarsh04hehe, but if the Linux Foundation wants to be credible with Free Software people, they should avoid woolly terms that FSF has identifed as causing problemsSep 25 22:09
gnufreexI noticed that LF is hostile to FSF.Sep 25 22:10
gnufreexEspecialy their only employeeSep 25 22:10
gnufreexLinus Torvalds.Sep 25 22:10
MinceRLinus is hostile to the FSF?Sep 25 22:10
gnufreexHell yeahSep 25 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] #Facebook instant personalization has security flaws http://is.gd/fsXY4 #diaspora !gnu #gnusocial !fsfeSep 25 22:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hacking Entrepreneurship: The risks of Facebook's Instant Personalization program .::. Size~: 47.71 KBSep 25 22:11
hazzyOnly because Linus and RMS have different idealsSep 25 22:12
gnufreexRead his comments on groklaw about GPLv3 some years ago. Same rhetorics as Microsoft.Sep 25 22:12
gnufreexRead Linux devs position statement on GPLv3. pure FUD and lies.Sep 25 22:12
MinceRwhere is that position statement?Sep 25 22:13
gnufreexhttp://lwn.net/Articles/200422/Sep 25 22:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Kernel developers' position on GPLv3 [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 353.83 KBSep 25 22:13
gnufreexMicrosoft uses that to spread FUD against GPLv3Sep 25 22:13
gnufreex"Even linux people agree with us"Sep 25 22:14
gnufreexAnd that position statement was released before GPLv3 was final. They didn't bother to change it when they got some stuff they wanted.Sep 25 22:16
MinceRicSep 25 22:16
MinceRthey don't see any issue with the ballnux dealsSep 25 22:17
MinceRand they want to retain the "freedom" to take users' freedom away via tivoization and such nasty tricksSep 25 22:17
Ender2070There is no ideal government typeSep 25 22:17
gnufreexPeople who see issues are demoted in line of command. Who oposes to Linus openly, get alienated.Sep 25 22:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The famous Mr Ed in change of the Labour party? Is he brother Tweedle Dee? or Tweedle Dum?Sep 25 22:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Well, more of the same old then, smug upper class spivs in charge of all 3 main partiesSep 25 22:17
Ender2070government itself is a form of control, even mind controlSep 25 22:17
MinceRgovernment is a scamSep 25 22:18
MinceRalong with the "social contract"Sep 25 22:18
Ender2070socialism isnt that answerSep 25 22:18
Ender2070socialists are just as greedy as capitalistsSep 25 22:18
MinceRindeedSep 25 22:18
MinceRsocialism is just an excuse for the government to own everythingSep 25 22:18
Ender2070yes I agreeSep 25 22:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Free for a limited time: 13 new songs this week: http://amzn.to/cM0KOlSep 25 22:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Queue every !Labour politician seeking a cabinet job all to line up to heap praise on the new deity in town, claiming everyone is united etcSep 25 22:19
Ender2070and the biggest socialists in the world right now are rich eliteSep 25 22:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Amazon.com: Free - Songs: MP3 Downloads .::. Size~: 214.67 KBSep 25 22:19
schestowitz[20:09] <hazzy> Hm, why does Firefox en-gb ship with Mandriva en-us? > when I installed it in 2008 it came up in RussianSep 25 22:20
Ender2070marx was funded by the same bankers he claimed to dispiseSep 25 22:20
Ender2070the organization Fabian Socialism, as a royal charter from the queenSep 25 22:21
*sebsebseb hasn't been in any Ubuntu channels for about a week, (unless Jono's ustream counts) I feel great!Sep 25 22:21
Ender2070so she can't hate it, lolSep 25 22:21
Ender2070cant get much more elite than the royal familySep 25 22:21
sebsebsebso just under a week or just overSep 25 22:21
gnufreexMinceR: For exaple, Alan Cox argued in favor of GPLv3. He got abused by Torvalds and forced to stop being maintainer of TTY layer.Sep 25 22:21
Ender2070??Sep 25 22:21
MinceRwhat i don't get is if the linux devs want to serve companies and their lawyer armies so obediently and like sw patents and tivoization so much, why don't they release all their code into the public domain?Sep 25 22:22
MinceRgnufreex: icSep 25 22:22
MinceRgnufreex: this kind of news doesn't really show up anywhereSep 25 22:22
hazzyhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/09/25/0413236/UK-Anti-Piracy-Firm-E-mails-Reveal-Cavalier-Attitude-Toward-Legal-ThreatsSep 25 22:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | UK Anti-Piracy Firm E-mails Reveal Cavalier Attitude Toward Legal Threats .::. Size~: 152.55 KBSep 25 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] PS3 hackage continues! http://ur1.ca/1rtq2 (via @slashdot)Sep 25 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just spent 5 straight hours having a stimulating talk with a nice couple, now need to catch up with loads of missed news...Sep 25 22:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Hardware Story | PS3 Hacked Using Official Controller .::. Size~: 126.32 KBSep 25 22:22
Ender2070if the Linux devs cared they'd call it GNU/Linux tooSep 25 22:23
gnufreexLinux kernel shouldn't be called GNU/Linux. Just the system. Since they only work on kernel, they coud get around that.Sep 25 22:24
MinceRindeedSep 25 22:24
gnufreexBut then they EEEDSep 25 22:24
gnufreex"Let's just call whole thing Linux"Sep 25 22:25
MinceRwho called GNU/Linux "Linux" first?Sep 25 22:25
Ender2070yeahSep 25 22:25
Ender2070it never used to be just called LinuxSep 25 22:25
Ender2070look at Slackware X/GNU/LinuxSep 25 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Afghan election worse than last time http://ur1.ca/1rtqsSep 25 22:26
MinceRhmm, apparently some of the first distros only had "Linux" in their nameSep 25 22:27
MinceRhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Linux_distribution#HistorySep 25 22:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 25 22:27
gnufreexYggdrasil Linux/GNU/XSep 25 22:27
Ender2070oh my memory is badSep 25 22:27
Ender2070http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil_Linux/GNU/XSep 25 22:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 25 22:27
gnufreexDebian GNU/LinuxSep 25 22:27
Ender2070it was yggdrasilSep 25 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @appelond dual-boot for the brother for nowSep 25 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @gnufreex it's the right thing to do in order to stay focusedSep 25 22:27
schestowitz[22:09] <amarsh04> hehe, but if the Linux Foundation wants to be credible with Free Software people, they should avoid woolly terms that FSF has identifed as causing problemsSep 25 22:30
schestowitzBut LF is mainly IBM et alSep 25 22:31
schestowitzIntel, Novell, etcSep 25 22:31
Ender2070lolSep 25 22:31
Ender2070I wouldn't take the FSF's word at 100%Sep 25 22:31
schestowitzThey all "respect" "intellectual" "property" (two propaganda words in a row)Sep 25 22:31
Ender2070RMS tried telling me China was run by facists, not communistsSep 25 22:31
Ender2070out of touch a littleSep 25 22:32
schestowitz[22:10] <gnufreex> Especialy their only employeeSep 25 22:32
schestowitzThey have moreSep 25 22:32
Ender2070he threw me the one liner - "facism is when governments deal with big business, so china is facist"Sep 25 22:32
schestowitzZemlin, McPherson, that Jennifer lady...Sep 25 22:32
gnufreexschestowitz: I meant only developer.Sep 25 22:32
Ender2070meanwhile, communism loves big business tooSep 25 22:32
MinceRwell, the areas that make Red China successful now aren't run on communismSep 25 22:33
Ender2070so does big businessSep 25 22:33
schestowitzLF says it was created to pay Linus, but just like the OIN, there are a couple dozen involvedSep 25 22:33
MinceRif you want to see where "communism" leads countries, see what happened to the USSR and the "Eastern Bloc"Sep 25 22:33
Ender2070corporations love communism, they have that totalitarian dictator forcing their stuff throughSep 25 22:33
schestowitz[22:12] <hazzy> Only because Linus and RMS have different idealsSep 25 22:33
schestowitz /s/Linus and//Sep 25 22:33
schestowitz /s/differenty//Sep 25 22:33
MinceRin "communism", the government _owns_ those corporationsSep 25 22:34
MinceRafaik it doesn't in Red ChineSep 25 22:34
MinceRs/ne/na/Sep 25 22:34
Ender2070not every communist country follows marx 100%Sep 25 22:34
gnufreexEnder2070: Stallman might be right about Chinese govermant being fachists.Sep 25 22:34
schestowitz[22:13] <gnufreex> Microsoft uses that to spread FUD against GPLv3Sep 25 22:34
schestowitzTrueSep 25 22:34
MinceRso what makes them "communist"?Sep 25 22:34
Ender2070some factioned off because they were trotskistsSep 25 22:34
MinceRtheir propaganda?Sep 25 22:34
schestowitzMicrosoft grooms Linus quotes for 'pragmatism'Sep 25 22:34
schestowitzThey love quoting him on the "Microsoft hatred" thingSep 25 22:35
Ender2070its what they label themselves, and they act the partSep 25 22:35
schestowitzMaybe they'll send him and IE cake like they sent mozilla :-0Sep 25 22:35
MinceRhow do they groom quotes? select them? or provoke them?Sep 25 22:35
MinceREnder2070: it doesn't seem to me like they act the part at allSep 25 22:35
Ender2070how about Linus giving Win7 thumbs up? linux haters love that oneSep 25 22:35
MinceRthat's not how the "special economic zones" work afaikSep 25 22:35
Ender2070communism wasn't written in stone when marx worked on itSep 25 22:36
Ender2070they gotta make it compatible with the world bank system and the imfSep 25 22:37
MinceRyou aren't making much senseSep 25 22:37
Ender2070why not?Sep 25 22:37
MinceRyou're trying to rid the word "communism" of all its meaning to apply it to Red ChinaSep 25 22:37
Ender2070how so?Sep 25 22:38
Ender2070it very much applies to Communist ChinaSep 25 22:39
gnufreexEnder2070: I already tried to explain earlier. Chinese goverment could be both Communists and facists.Sep 25 22:39
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Economic_ZoneSep 25 22:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Special Economic Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 65.96 KBSep 25 22:39
MinceRthere's hardly any communism to that ideaSep 25 22:39
Ender2070i'm not following along with your heigelian dialecticSep 25 22:39
Ender2070does communism ban that?Sep 25 22:41
MinceR"private ownership" doesn't exactly fit into "communism"Sep 25 22:41
Ender2070umm why not?Sep 25 22:42
Ender2070you're not allowed to own landSep 25 22:42
Ender2070doesnt say you cant own objectsSep 25 22:42
Ender2070in fact they specifically had to ban inheritance because its assumed you can still own thingsSep 25 22:42
MinceRcommunism aims for communal ownership of the means of productionSep 25 22:42
MinceRcorporations are means of production (and own means of production)Sep 25 22:43
Ender2070centralized means of productionSep 25 22:43
MinceRprivately owned corporations are the antithesis of that ideaSep 25 22:43
MinceRalso, communism comes with planned economySep 25 22:43
amarsh04after hearing how many people died due to mao zedong's policies, communism or not I would look more at how a society looked after peopleSep 25 22:43
MinceRwhat happens in the SEZs is not planned economy at allSep 25 22:43
gnufreexYou can't have private and public companies in real communism.Sep 25 22:43
Ender2070the planned encomy is offset to the UN thoughSep 25 22:44
MinceRwhat do you mean?Sep 25 22:44
Ender2070you cant have your own econmy if you want to trade with other countriesSep 25 22:44
Ender2070UN/Worldbank/IMFSep 25 22:44
MinceRthat's not exactly trueSep 25 22:44
MinceRfor instance, you don't have to deal with the IMF at all if you don't have toSep 25 22:45
MinceRobviously if you owe them money they will control youSep 25 22:45
MinceRbut you don't have to owe them moneySep 25 22:45
Ender2070its hard not to owe them moneySep 25 22:45
Ender2070all our politicians love themSep 25 22:45
MinceRindeedSep 25 22:45
MinceRhard, but possibleSep 25 22:45
Ender2070the bank of canada for exampleSep 25 22:45
Ender2070it only prints 2% of our moneySep 25 22:46
Ender2070the rest is borrowedSep 25 22:46
MinceRalso, IMF controls don't result in planned economySep 25 22:46
Ender2070there will be a centralized econmy for the whole worldSep 25 22:46
MinceRmarket forces still control most of those economiesSep 25 22:46
Ender2070china doesnt need its ownSep 25 22:46
MinceRcompetition is important. in communism, there's practically no competition in the market.Sep 25 22:47
Ender2070plus, they need to make exceptions in chinaSep 25 22:47
Ender2070in order to kill the US's manufacturing jobSep 25 22:47
Ender2070look at the GATT treatySep 25 22:47
Ender2070the west got to pay to move the factories over to china, to put all our jobs thereSep 25 22:48
Ender2070who said China would be the manufacturing hub of the world?Sep 25 22:48
Ender2070I *think* it was marxSep 25 22:49
Ender2070you know what tho, Agenda 21 = communist manifestoSep 25 22:51
Ender2070taking peoples land rights away for THE ENVIRONMENT111!11!Sep 25 22:51
Ender2070im reading trudeau's book right nowSep 25 22:55
Ender2070he is a self professed socialist, and he praises Mao, Fidel Castro, Stalin, etcSep 25 22:55
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/25471382595 "@tmarble Your question about OIN and Oracle is right on. I posted a comment in that regard to a NetworkWorld blog"Sep 25 22:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Twitter / FOSS Patents: @tmarble Your question abo ... .::. Size~: 9.49 KBSep 25 22:58
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/25475403829Sep 25 22:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Twitter / FOSS Patents: Does the S in #FSF stand f ... .::. Size~: 9.61 KBSep 25 22:59
schestowitz"You can't outvote the law by emailing a #patent office."Sep 25 22:59
schestowitzFSF tries to eliminate software patents, Microsoft Florian slams FSF by calling them "spammers". This is anti- #swpats campaigner???Sep 25 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] FSF tries to eliminate software patents, Microsoft Florian slams FSF by calling them "spammers". This is anti- #swpats campaigner???Sep 25 23:01
*scientes has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)Sep 25 23:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] via @timbray@twitter.com Do you hate software patents? If so, you have until Monday to tell the USPTO: http://goo.gl/V7lg Please RT!Sep 25 23:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Encourage the USPTO to stop issuing software patents; deadline September 27 &mdash; Free Software Foundation &mdash; working together for free software .::. Size~: 30.56 KBSep 25 23:04
Ender2070hes an outlook userSep 25 23:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @FFII re wikileaks, see who helps them with hosting. Former Microsoft link...Sep 25 23:06
Ender2070i wonder what FLOSS he even likesSep 25 23:06
MinceRnoneSep 25 23:06
Ender2070probably firefoxSep 25 23:06
Ender2070and thats itSep 25 23:06
MinceRm$ florian likes firefox?Sep 25 23:06
MinceRhe should be using IESep 25 23:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @FFII say more directly the relations you're suggesing you see thereSep 25 23:09
ThistleWebmaybe someone's renamed his firefox to IE, changed the shortcut icons etc so he thinks his IE is nice and stable when he's actually using firefoxSep 25 23:09
MinceRlolSep 25 23:10
schestowitzIt gives him credibilitySep 25 23:11
schestowitz"FOSS"patentsSep 25 23:11
schestowitzHe brags and flaunts about itSep 25 23:11
schestowitzScoble did the same when he was a paid Microsoft AstorTurferSep 25 23:11
schestowitzBillG installed FirefoxSep 25 23:11
schestowitzLikewise, FFII has at least one person boasting about VistaSep 25 23:12
schestowitzAnd joking he'd get a ZuneSep 25 23:12
gnufreex"FOSS patents" as in "FOSS [infriges our] patents"Sep 25 23:12
schestowitzThis way he's not seen as pro-FOSSSep 25 23:12
schestowitzjust anti-swpatsSep 25 23:12
Ender2070what FOSS does he like then?Sep 25 23:12
schestowitzBut he's sincere about VistaSep 25 23:12
schestowitzThe dead oneSep 25 23:12
ThistleWeboh, I was looking at Drupal install profiles, and found one developed by MS for NGO's with all sorts of bin / msn integrationSep 25 23:13
schestowitzNot potentFOSSSep 25 23:13
ThistleWebbing*Sep 25 23:13
schestowitzBING is OPEN SOURCE!Sep 25 23:13
schestowitzIt uses something that's kind of like almost like visible for reading... somewhereSep 25 23:13
schestowitzGoogle "bing open source"Sep 25 23:13
schestowitzThey did a whole PR BS about it in 2009Sep 25 23:13
ThistleWebI was gonna try it, although I had no use for the MSN / Bing modules until I noticed it had the Microsoft seal of approval on itSep 25 23:14
ThistleWebwhich then explained hte choice of modules they went forSep 25 23:14
*MinceR DDGs it instead :>Sep 25 23:15
Ender2070NGO's?Sep 25 23:15
Ender2070lol funny how ms is helping themSep 25 23:15
schestowitzthey help MicrosoftSep 25 23:16
schestowitzPRSep 25 23:16
ThistleWebI'll find the link, hang onSep 25 23:16
schestowitzIn Soviet Russia, NGO helps MicrosoftSep 25 23:17
ThistleWebit's a drupal install profile that people or organisations can use to create websites, that happen to be focussed on NGO stuff, and integrated with MS stuffSep 25 23:17
schestowitzMicrosoft made a moodle component to do such a thing toSep 25 23:17
schestowitzself benefitSep 25 23:17
schestowitzFog Computing for the most part, e.g. hotmail integrationSep 25 23:18
ThistleWebsome install profiles are pretty cool, many are proper FOSS, thois one happens to have the MS connectionSep 25 23:18
ThistleWebhttp://drupal.org/project/dango  << sorry "sponsored by Microsoft"Sep 25 23:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: DaNGO | drupal.org .::. Size~: 14.01 KBSep 25 23:20
ThistleWebinstall profiles usually list the modules they integrate, and the choice of bing made me curiousSep 25 23:21
ThistleWebI'd imagine the fundraising / newsletter parts would be ready set up to fire off multiple copies of whatever MS agenda they're talking about to politicansSep 25 23:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Heading out to tonight's gig at Poe's Pub in Richmond.Sep 25 23:22
ThistleWeb"please make ooxml the open document standard and avoid this closed source odf" etcSep 25 23:22
ThistleWebdrupal install profiles are kinda iffy at the best of times, before you add Microsoft's quirks into the mixSep 25 23:25
Ender2070drupal was a pain to work withSep 25 23:26
ThistleWebsome parts can be yesSep 25 23:26
ThistleWebI do like some of the ideas behind some install profiles, but the results are a tad flakySep 25 23:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: workplace safety http://ur1.ca/1ru4fSep 25 23:27
ThistleWebI've still to try drupal commonsSep 25 23:28
amarsh04comment from grub maintainer: weird_not_ours_bugs_reported_in_this_week++;Sep 25 23:28
MinceRcout << weird_not_ours_bugs_reported_in_this_week << endl;Sep 25 23:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Language Identification and it’s state in Free Software http://ping.fm/R3k0RSep 25 23:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Language Identification and its state in Free Software  @  Eurion · RainCT's Blog .::. Size~: 27.31 KBSep 25 23:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Language Identification and it’s state in !FreeSoftware http://ping.fm/R3k0RSep 25 23:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Language Identification and its state in Free Software  @  Eurion · RainCT's Blog .::. Size~: 27.31 KBSep 25 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] You and your #Meerkat are invited !ubuntu !opensuse http://ping.fm/IERmVSep 25 23:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Better !android keyrings http://ping.fm/c3LM3Sep 25 23:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: You and your Meerkat are invited | OMG! SUSE! .::. Size~: 14.43 KBSep 25 23:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: stealthcopter.com » Better android keyrings .::. Size~: 29.77 KBSep 25 23:37
bruce89compare the meerkatSep 25 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Listen to Text and Instant Messages with Gespeaker 'Text To Speech' Utility ~ Ubuntu Vibes http://ow.ly/2JTWmSep 25 23:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Listen to Text and Instant Messages with Gespeaker 'Text To Speech' Utility ~ Ubuntu Vibes .::. Size~: 92.08 KBSep 25 23:42

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!