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| schestowitz | papachango: come to #techrights | Oct 05 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | That's the main channel we are in | Oct 05 11:05 |
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| cubevector | got a tar archive I can't expand | Oct 05 13:18 |
| cubevector | "unable to set file uid/gid" | Oct 05 13:19 |
| cubevector | oops, wrong channel :) | Oct 05 13:19 |
| oiaohm | cubevector: not running as root and root made the archive I would guess. | Oct 05 13:23 |
| cubevector | oiaohm, it's got gid cubeman and there's no gid cubeman | Oct 05 13:23 |
| cubevector | it's only gid user on this other box | Oct 05 13:23 |
| cubevector | is there a way to expand the archive and use a differnet gid? | Oct 05 13:24 |
| cubevector | hmmm, -w seems to do the trick, even though it still complains, it expanded all the files | Oct 05 13:32 |
| oiaohm | --no-same-owner --no-same-permissions Normally does it. cubevector | Oct 05 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Ie obliteration of permission date. cubevector | Oct 05 13:41 |
| oiaohm | date/data | Oct 05 13:41 |
| cubevector | oiaohm, doesn't seem like I have those options in bsd | Oct 05 13:43 |
| cubevector | then the last error message is bogus | Oct 05 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Ok what tar do you have | Oct 05 13:45 |
| oiaohm | I just said gnu tar option. | Oct 05 13:45 |
| MinceR | gnu tar can run on bsd though, can it not? :> | Oct 05 13:45 |
| cubevector | ummm, maybe | Oct 05 13:46 |
| oiaohm | tar (GNU tar) 1.23 | Oct 05 13:48 |
| cubevector | it doesn't seem to have a version beyond openbsd 4.7 at the bottom of man tar | Oct 05 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Resonably modern by the way. | Oct 05 13:48 |
| oiaohm | tar --version cubevector | Oct 05 13:48 |
| oiaohm | get the program to tell you what it is. | Oct 05 13:48 |
| cubevector | "unknown option" | Oct 05 13:48 |
| cubevector | those crazy bsd guys :-P | Oct 05 13:49 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 05 13:49 |
| cubevector | plus of course it won't compile | Oct 05 13:50 |
| cubevector | can't find xlib.h | Oct 05 13:50 |
| oiaohm | do you have gtar ? cubevector | Oct 05 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Yes you find that on freebsd | Oct 05 13:51 |
| oiaohm | tar and gtar | Oct 05 13:51 |
| oiaohm | tar useless bit if crap on freebsd. | Oct 05 13:51 |
| cubevector | oh ok | Oct 05 13:51 |
| oiaohm | the gtar version being gnu tar that works. | Oct 05 13:52 |
| cubevector | yeah I wonder why openbsd isn't more popular :) | Oct 05 13:52 |
| oiaohm | The default tar in openbsd and freebsd are to posix spec. | Oct 05 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Without all the nice fix me when I stuff up options. | Oct 05 13:53 |
| oiaohm | that were developed latter | Oct 05 13:53 |
| MinceR | but real bsd fanboys don't use gtar anyway :> | Oct 05 13:54 |
| cubevector | any ideas on how I can pass where to find xlib in configure? | Oct 05 13:55 |
| cubevector | xlib.h rather | Oct 05 13:55 |
| MinceR | --with-x or --with-xlib or something like that? | Oct 05 13:56 |
| MinceR | perhaps ./configure --help tells you | Oct 05 13:56 |
| cubevector | hmm, there's two different gtar's | Oct 05 13:56 |
| cubevector | yeah | Oct 05 13:56 |
| oiaohm | What are you trying to make cubevector | Oct 05 13:56 |
| cubevector | oiaohm, just trying to port my xrubik program to openbsd | Oct 05 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Ok you will need to find where xlib.h is then. | Oct 05 13:56 |
| oiaohm | You have installed X11 development files? cubevector | Oct 05 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes I was swaring porint a program once and I had forgot todo that. | Oct 05 13:57 |
| cubevector | checking | Oct 05 13:57 |
| cubevector | got gtar on finally | Oct 05 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Who would think tar could cause some many problems. | Oct 05 13:58 |
| cubevector | this stuff is more different than I thought | Oct 05 13:58 |
| oiaohm | really I know how hard it is. | Oct 05 13:59 |
| cubevector | ok, it's in /usr/X11R6/include/X11/ | Oct 05 13:59 |
| oiaohm | I once attempted to help developers take code for Linux accross to openbsd. I will not again. | Oct 05 13:59 |
| cubevector | Xlib.h I should say | Oct 05 14:00 |
| oiaohm | solaris was more frendly. | Oct 05 14:00 |
| cubevector | hmmm | Oct 05 14:00 |
| MinceR | hm, if there was a graphical frontend to tar, it would be called guitar | Oct 05 14:01 |
| oiaohm | xarchive | Oct 05 14:01 |
| oiaohm | and other creative names MinceR | Oct 05 14:02 |
| cubevector | damn it | Oct 05 14:02 |
| cubevector | still can't find Xlib.h | Oct 05 14:02 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it was a pun :> | Oct 05 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Really you cannot be sane and name gui after the command line tool. MinceR | Oct 05 14:02 |
| oiaohm | That would make using the system too simple. | Oct 05 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes I was leading up to a pun as well. | Oct 05 14:03 |
| oiaohm | We believe in system secuirty not userfriendly ness. confusing is good. MinceR | Oct 05 14:03 |
| cubevector | I could just patch the C file but that seems wrong | Oct 05 14:04 |
| cubevector | wait a sec, I have an idea | Oct 05 14:05 |
| oiaohm | CFLAGS=-I/usr/X11R6/include/X11/ ? cubevector | Oct 05 14:05 |
| cubevector | uh, but how do I pass that to configure? | Oct 05 14:06 |
| oiaohm | CFLAGS=-I/usr/X11R6/include/X11/ ./configure | Oct 05 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Really check if X11 has a value set option of path. | Oct 05 14:08 |
| oiaohm | In configure | Oct 05 14:08 |
| oiaohm | --x-includes= Would be handy right now if you created your autotools configure right. cubevector | Oct 05 14:09 |
| oiaohm | and the --x-libraries could be required as well cubevector | Oct 05 14:09 |
| cubevector | oiaohm, this is weird | Oct 05 14:20 |
| cubevector | openbsd seems to have divided my hard drive into 9 different things | Oct 05 14:20 |
| cubevector | yeah I think it's time for a coffee break | Oct 05 14:22 |
| oiaohm | I bet its text book | Oct 05 14:22 |
| oiaohm | cubevector: | Oct 05 14:22 |
| cubevector | well it is secure, I must give it that | Oct 05 14:28 |
| MinceR | or so they say :> | Oct 05 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Really there is the old unix text book way of doing it. | Oct 05 14:38 |
| oiaohm | And there is the lazy modern day way of doing it. | Oct 05 14:38 |
| oiaohm | The idea of more secure is not exactly true. | Oct 05 14:39 |
| oiaohm | If the data is all on one drive and the drive fails numbers of partitions makes no difference. | Oct 05 14:39 |
| cubevector | oiaohm, that is true | Oct 05 15:06 |
| cubevector | but they have nosuid automatically in almost all partitions | Oct 05 15:07 |
| oiaohm | 2 partitions would have completed the same goal. cubevector | Oct 05 15:07 |
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| *schestowitz just tarred some nightly backuos | Oct 05 15:38 | |
| schestowitz | backups | Oct 05 15:54 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: How you do that | Oct 05 16:43 |
| gnufreex | -** | Oct 05 16:44 |
| schestowitz | hold on... | Oct 05 16:44 |
| schestowitz | without the cron it's like this: | Oct 05 16:44 |
| cubevector | by not using bsd tar | Oct 05 16:44 |
| gnufreex | *-* | Oct 05 16:44 |
| gnufreex | Not that | Oct 05 16:44 |
| gnufreex | I mean saying things with blue letters | Oct 05 16:44 |
| schestowitz | [I have some blog post about it too] | Oct 05 16:44 |
| schestowitz | oh | Oct 05 16:44 |
| gnufreex | In third person | Oct 05 16:45 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: use /me | Oct 05 16:45 |
| *schestowitz /me wonders | Oct 05 16:45 | |
| *gnufreex thinks | Oct 05 16:45 | |
| *gnufreex just learned something new | Oct 05 16:45 | |
| *schestowitz talks to another person as a ghost | Oct 05 16:45 | |
| *schestowitz asks gnufreex how the mobbyists are doing | Oct 05 16:45 | |
| *gnufreex didn't check on mobbyists since last time checked | Oct 05 16:46 | |
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| schestowitz | HDD? | Oct 05 16:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/rcweir/status/26470776314 "Migration from DOC to ODF happens much more than OOXML to ODF since most users are still on Office 2003." | Oct 05 17:31 |
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| Tekk_ | o/ | Oct 05 17:39 |
| MinceR | zigs aren't launched, they take off | Oct 05 17:45 |
| MinceR | and move | Oct 05 17:45 |
| schestowitz | me: "@jackschofield No, Jack. That's where you are wrong. I promote personal freedom while identifying those who repress. That's not trolling." | Oct 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz | The mobbyists are joining Microsoft Jack now | Oct 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz | DDOSing with smears | Oct 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz | hey, Tekk_ | Oct 05 17:49 |
| Tekk_ | hi schestowitz | Oct 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz | yes, you missed some of the lively debate earlier | Oct 05 17:49 |
| Tekk_ | to the shouldn't 16 and 17 year olds be in school. If I can get a job at some free software company by then I'm going for it :P | Oct 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. They trolls turns very obsessive | Oct 05 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Te mobbyists flood me with PM-ish message that I won't reply to and they know it | Oct 05 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I guess they read this. They don't realise they do the opposite of what they try to achieve | Oct 05 17:52 |
| Tekk_ | schestowitz: you realize that there's a block function, right? | Oct 05 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 05 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I bloked some of them | Oct 05 17:52 |
| schestowitz | The abusive stalkers | Oct 05 17:52 |
| schestowitz | There's one that uses my photos with horns overlaid | Oct 05 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Sick, creepy trolls | Oct 05 17:53 |
| *Tekk_ would prefer a tail himself... | Oct 05 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | I guess they're like trophies | Oct 05 17:53 |
| MinceR | kinky. | Oct 05 17:53 |
| schestowitz | To think I'm worthy of all those troll accounts that smear me | Oct 05 17:53 |
| Tekk_ | yeah, hang them up on your wall(would be funnier if this was facebook but w/e) | Oct 05 17:53 |
| schestowitz | MSFT I can see.... | Oct 05 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Like GMWath vs Monsanto | Oct 05 17:54 |
| schestowitz | But I'm one person, not a company | Oct 05 17:54 |
| schestowitz | *GMWatch | Oct 05 17:54 |
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| Tekk_ | ...... | Oct 05 17:55 |
| Tekk_ | was that jono bacon? | Oct 05 17:55 |
| schestowitz | YEah | Oct 05 17:56 |
| schestowitz | He's OK with me... we spoke on the phone a few times | Oct 05 17:56 |
| schestowitz | He realised that daeminisations of me are what they are-- daeminisations | Oct 05 17:56 |
| *Tekk_ notices it's a bit weird that he emails rms like every other month but then goes a little bugeyed when jono bacon leaves an irc channel XD | Oct 05 17:56 | |
| *schestowitz reads trolls' feedback | Oct 05 17:57 | |
| schestowitz | I worry that one of the trolls would bust a coronary in anger | Oct 05 17:57 |
| schestowitz | ANd then hold me liable :-) | Oct 05 17:57 |
| Tekk_ | schestowitz: it's fun to troll the trolls and agree with everything they say | Oct 05 17:57 |
| Tekk_ | you can't exactly do that though, since people actually listen to you >> | Oct 05 17:58 |
| schestowitz | "If that's what you think then you are deluding yourself. Freedom never comes from your sort of nastiness." http://twitter.com/#!/jackschofield/status/26473475337 | Oct 05 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | me: In your case, Jack, maybe I passed the line at times, but if you look at the whole, we are mostly polite and constructive | Oct 05 17:59 |
| Tekk_ | @jackshofield freedom doesn't come from buying all competition either :) | Oct 05 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I know | Oct 05 18:01 |
| Tekk_ | schestowitz: what's your doctorate in? The pages list you as dr roy schestowitz but never what you have the doctorate in | Oct 05 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Or being paid well | Oct 05 18:01 |
| Tekk_ | schestowitz: you can be paid well and spread freedom... | Oct 05 18:01 |
| schestowitz | SOme people think that being a journalist alone means serving society | Oct 05 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Even if they do Monsanto puff pieces | Oct 05 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Tekk_: that latter thing is hard | Oct 05 18:01 |
| schestowitz | People don't pay for freedom to be promoted | Oct 05 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Money is power | Oct 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz | And power is gained by subjugating others (humans/animals/land(natural resources) | Oct 05 18:02 |
| Tekk_ | yeah, it's hard to get a good free software business running | Oct 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz | THat's OK | Oct 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz | I have employment for money | Oct 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Techrights is a hobby | Oct 05 18:02 |
| Tekk_ | I'd like to see what the numbers say about after the humble indie bundle went free | Oct 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz | My 'payment' for it is the thanks I get from people for it | Oct 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz | just clarified: "!Techrights strives to provide information about entities that promote and impede person freedom.All convictions may hurt someone's feelings" | Oct 05 18:03 |
| Tekk_ | I'd take a guess that they went up at least a bit, with all the free software people buying it to support them | Oct 05 18:03 |
| *Tekk_ gets back to reading treasure islang | Oct 05 18:05 | |
| Tekk_ | island* | Oct 05 18:05 |
| schestowitz | "In my case you were well over any decent, professional or even human line. Any politeness to other people is no consolation." http://twitter.com/#!/jackschofield/status/26474170840 | Oct 05 18:09 |
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| Tekk_ | schestowitz: I suggest a redent of what he found so offensive in that case | Oct 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz | ".@jackschofield because of your age and the age of some of the people who defend your side right now, I don't want to descend to your level." | Oct 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz | "@jackschofield Sorry, Jack, but we're through talking about this for the reason I mentioned earlier. We have more productive things to do." | Oct 05 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Tekk_: you mean, the Monsanto article? | Oct 05 18:11 |
| Tekk_ | actually I kinda doubt he has more productive things to do, he must be payed pretty well.... | Oct 05 18:11 |
| schestowitz | OK | Oct 05 18:11 |
| Tekk_ | schestowitz: sure, I'm not an expert in this but a bit of voltaire's prayer is always nice :P | Oct 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz | He's claiming to be retired | Oct 05 18:21 |
| Tekk_ | he is, from whatever he was doing before | Oct 05 18:21 |
| Tekk_ | ;P | Oct 05 18:21 |
| schestowitz | ANyway, not I get one response/minutes from one troll, so I blocked him | Oct 05 18:21 |
| schestowitz | What a productivity sink | Oct 05 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I could make nice new posts instead | Oct 05 18:22 |
| Tekk_ | I'd offer to field for you, but I can't think of a way we can do that without you giving me your password :/ | Oct 05 18:22 |
| schestowitz | No, don't | Oct 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Some supporters of mine tell me to move on | Oct 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Fielding?? | Oct 05 18:23 |
| Tekk_ | you got messaged in techrights | Oct 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | What?!?! | Oct 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I never do that | Oct 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I thought you meant fielding as in responds to them from your account | Oct 05 18:24 |
| Tekk_ | you were complaining about the lost productivity, I figured I should offer :P | Oct 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I'd never nymshift or give my account to anyone. It's ethically corrupt | Oct 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Tekk_: you could help, yes, but as a person you are | Oct 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I never did anything like trolls and imposters do | Oct 05 18:25 |
| schestowitz | They falsely accuse me | Oct 05 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Reflection perhaps | Oct 05 18:25 |
| schestowitz | The trolls in COLA (USENET)( | Oct 05 18:25 |
| schestowitz | The worst kind | Oct 05 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Stealing my name and such.. | Oct 05 18:25 |
| Tekk_ | ouch :/ | Oct 05 18:27 |
| Tekk_ | oh! didn't you say there was a new linux version out? | Oct 05 18:28 |
| Tekk_ | nearly forgot to update today | Oct 05 18:29 |
| schestowitz | "better not mess with that guy, I hear he's a druid." [...] "Did you just threaten to burn me alive in a pagan ritual? I think that's illegal most places." | Oct 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/53836816#notice-54293182 | Oct 05 18:35 |
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| Tekk_ | XD thank you | Oct 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | these don't go away.. now my supprters oo | Oct 05 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I reply to those | Oct 05 18:37 |
| schestowitz | "You're right, thanks for the advice. I've ignored him for a year, but didn't put a block until he flooded me with "@name"" | Oct 05 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.france24.com/en/20090418-superweed-explosion-threatens-monsanto-heartlands-genetically-modified-US-crops http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2005/jul/25/gm.food | Oct 05 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: France24 - ‘Superweed’ explosion threatens Monsanto heartlands .::. Size~: 110.49 KB | Oct 05 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: GM crops created superweed, say scientists | Environment | The Guardian .::. Size~: 85.89 KB | Oct 05 20:57 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz thanks for the clarification. As for techrights I *don't like* its borked layout. You could at least use some plain WP theme" http://identi.ca/notice/54347017 | Oct 05 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Wojciech Ryrych (rrh)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Oct-10 22:24:02 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.55 KB | Oct 05 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I've been wanting a layout change for ~3 years, but the worry is that some of the content is layout dependent. !techrights | Oct 05 23:41 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/54347482 " oh man! Maybe you have good sources but schestowitz.com looks like we had early 90s :D" | Oct 05 23:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Wojciech Ryrych (rrh)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Oct-10 22:26:53 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.75 KB | Oct 05 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. oh man! Maybe you have good sources but schestowitz.com looks like we had early 90s :D | Oct 05 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Actually, http://schestowitz.com is from the early 00s, gone during free time at work | Oct 05 23:43 |
| schestowitz | messing about with themes not a priority at the moment, the content is legible | Oct 05 23:43 |
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