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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/53273769 "While I think !KDE should indeed support #libreoffice, I really wonder why they only asked !gnome to start the foundation."Oct 01 00:16
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schestowitz"Oct 01 04:36
schestowitzIsn't it a coincidence that Stalker Smith disappeared at exactly theOct 01 04:36
schestowitzsame time as Roy S.?Oct 01 04:36
schestowitzIs he stalking Roy on Twitter now, or did his contract with Microsoft'sOct 01 04:36
schestowitzpay2post partner expire?Oct 01 04:36
schestowitz"Oct 01 04:36
schestowitz"Oct 01 04:36
schestowitzVerily I say unto thee, that Chris Ahlstrom spake thusly:Oct 01 04:36
schestowitz> Homer posted this message in ROT13 encoding:Oct 01 04:36
schestowitz>> Isn't it a coincidence that Stalker Smith disappeared at exactlyOct 01 04:36
schestowitz>> the same time as Roy S.?Oct 01 04:36
schestowitz>> Is he stalking Roy on Twitter now, or did his contract withOct 01 04:36
schestowitz>> Microsoft's pay2post partner expire?Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz> I actually liked Tim, when he'd stick to technical topics.Oct 01 04:37
schestowitzStill, it says a lot about him that he considered his "job done" theOct 01 04:37
schestowitzmoment Roy left the group - the only topic that really seemed toOct 01 04:37
schestowitzinterest him.Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz> But he all too often applied that strained logic of silly sarcasm,Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz> and then he took to doing "Hadronic" mischaracterizations of whatOct 01 04:37
schestowitz> people posted.Oct 01 04:37
schestowitzHe employed a lot of disingenuous pedantry, i.e. spin, so the best thatOct 01 04:37
schestowitzcould said about him is that he was an effective astroturfer.Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz> Similar for Erik.  They were head-and-shoulders, technically, aboveOct 01 04:37
schestowitz> the current crap-flooding lietorrent lyetorrent insulting kiddieOct 01 04:37
schestowitz> crowd that is trying to drown this newsgroup in a lahar of idiocy.Oct 01 04:37
schestowitzAnother way to look at it is, they were more dangerous because theyOct 01 04:37
schestowitzappeared to be reasonable, but were actually just more deceptive. AtOct 01 04:37
schestowitzleast the current flock of fanbois are transparently ridiculous, andOct 01 04:37
schestowitzthus pose no threat at all.Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz"Oct 01 04:37
schestowitzhttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/9311be59ed9c5281#Oct 01 04:37
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schestowitz"Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz> Isn't it a coincidence that Stalker Smith disappeared at exactly theOct 01 04:37
schestowitz> same time as Roy S.?Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz> Is he stalking Roy on Twitter now, or did his contract with Microsoft'sOct 01 04:37
schestowitz> pay2post partner expire?Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz> --Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz> K.http://slated.orgOct 01 04:37
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schestowitz> .----Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz> | You can't make an omelet without building some bridgesOct 01 04:37
schestowitz> | ... but don't count your bridges until they've hatchedOct 01 04:37
schestowitz> `----Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz> Fedora release 8 (Werewolf) on sky, running kernel 2.6.31.5Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz>  16:34:10 up 16 days, 23:52,  0 users,  load average: 0.11, 0.03, 0.01Oct 01 04:37
schestowitzWell, Roy was his "assignment", so naturally he's gone elsewhere.Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz"Oct 01 04:37
schestowitz"Oct 01 04:37
schestowitzNo coincidenceOct 01 04:37
schestowitzthey were one and the sameOct 01 04:38
schestowitz"Oct 01 04:38
schestowitzMaybe I should return to COLA...Oct 01 04:38
FurnaceBoywowOct 01 04:40
schestowitzLong story...Oct 01 04:43
schestowitzBut anyway, I'm out of there, I thinkOct 01 04:43
schestowitzToo much libel and mess from AstroTurfersOct 01 04:44
schestowitzThe Microsoft cult just follows its oppositon to other platforms thoughOct 01 04:44
schestowitzI wonder if they preselected you too.. http://techrights.org/2010/09/30/luring-in-vocal-critics/Oct 01 04:45
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schestowitzI 'have' several accounts in Twitter dedicated just to stalking meOct 01 04:45
schestowitzAnd smearing meOct 01 04:45
schestowitzThe mobbyists befriend themOct 01 04:45
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/agente_smithe/statuses/26024113872 "Hey my friend, Dr. Schestowitz, from TechRights picked my latest 3 part post. take a look http://bit.ly/9942YE"Oct 01 04:51
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schestowitzHey, FurnaceBoy, "why u hate so much, you need counselling!!" :-)Oct 01 04:51
schestowitzPeople must not dislike anything, it makes the deranged, says soceityOct 01 04:52
schestowitz"It makes them right-wing Nazis" :-/Oct 01 04:52
schestowitzLove thy neighbout, even when it harms you knowingly :-)Oct 01 04:52
schestowitzAnyway, joking in vain..Oct 01 04:53
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/statuses/26026413199 "@galoppini @katatology #Oracle should not be sponsoring "Open World Forum 2010." See Techrights.org"Oct 01 04:54
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schestowitzI think those who tried to smear me for years are losing nowOct 01 04:54
schestowitzThey must not be getting their $$ to do this anymore, perhapsOct 01 04:54
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/agente_smithe/statuses/26029433098 " @iKaciah Oi Oi Oi !!! O Dr.Schestowitz pegou um artigo q eu recém escrevi pro blog Ghabuntu: http://bit.ly/9942YE Ki massa!!!  "Oct 01 04:54
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schestowitzACCESS TROLL: "It is astounding to me that you—who's been show to play fast and loose with the truth numerous times—would call someone a liar."Oct 01 04:56
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: you know SpanishOct 01 04:57
schestowitzWhat does it say, that last one?Oct 01 04:57
schestowitzAnd this: "É, parece que REALMENTE impressionaste o Dr. Roy Schestowitz!! Mas por que estão agora se virando contra a Apple também???" http://twitter.com/iKaciah/statuses/26031345709Oct 01 04:57
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schestowitzMaybe they curse me, I don't know..Oct 01 04:57
schestowitzACCESS TROLL: "@FOSSpatents If #boycottboy keeps having to contort himself over these things, he's going to break his back...."Oct 01 04:58
schestowitzTalking to the mobbyisys nowOct 01 04:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "That is, looks like you're REALLY impressed by Dr Schestowitz. But why are you know turning against Apple too?"Oct 01 05:01
FurnaceBoyyou now*Oct 01 05:01
FurnaceBoy(you all know*)Oct 01 05:01
FurnaceBoysighOct 01 05:01
schestowitzAh, OKOct 01 05:01
FurnaceBoylet me try that again:Oct 01 05:01
schestowitzApple is not the good guyOct 01 05:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "That is, looks like you're REALLY impressed by Dr Schestowitz. But why are you all now turning against Apple too?"Oct 01 05:01
schestowitzNot as bad as Microsoft, eitherOct 01 05:01
schestowitzJust a weird frienemy and more like enemyOct 01 05:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's a mix of Pt and SpOct 01 05:02
schestowitzApple completes with patents nowOct 01 05:02
schestowitzNot just by making products which are seen as betterOct 01 05:02
FurnaceBoyeh, basically portuguese.)Oct 01 05:02
schestowitzThere's this surge of GOP blogs linking to usOct 01 05:03
schestowitzAbout half a dozen, like this one http://mobyrebuttal.blogspot.com/2010/09/some-light-reading-on-our-democratic.htmlOct 01 05:03
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FurnaceBoysigh. yeah.Oct 01 05:03
FurnaceBoyi know, it's how they work;Oct 01 05:03
schestowitzThey use the blog to promote their fascismOct 01 05:03
FurnaceBoyi am followed by nutjobs on twitterOct 01 05:03
schestowitzCause some Democrats serves her former employer, VolewareOct 01 05:03
FurnaceBoyi must be on dozens of fascist espionage lists, which is one reason I  never check them.Oct 01 05:03
schestowitzHehOct 01 05:04
schestowitz"quick dirt" lists?Oct 01 05:04
FurnaceBoyi don't want to feel self conscious. let them come out and troll me if they want.Oct 01 05:04
schestowitzLooking them up to find some attack vector?Oct 01 05:04
FurnaceBoyand they do, sometimes.Oct 01 05:04
FurnaceBoyprincipally over IsraelOct 01 05:04
schestowitzWHat about it?Oct 01 05:04
schestowitzYou boycott the govt.Oct 01 05:04
schestowitzHawksOct 01 05:04
schestowitzEconomic sanctionsOct 01 05:05
schestowitzWith Novell, it's tricky retaliating against who signed the Microsoft deal without hurting the staff which never liked that dealOct 01 05:06
schestowitzThat's the evil of some corporationsOct 01 05:06
schestowitzThey lump in families and little girls and stuff and use that as a shieldOct 01 05:07
schestowitz"hey, don't badmouth Blackwater... I might lost my job and my little boy will go hungry"Oct 01 05:07
schestowitzOverthrowing bad management is next to impossibleOct 01 05:08
schestowitzNobody just willingly relinquishes powerOct 01 05:08
schestowitzOne option is to disgrace themOct 01 05:08
schestowitzOr turn their staff against theOct 01 05:08
schestowitzOr turn their staff against themOct 01 05:08
FurnaceBoyrightOct 01 05:08
schestowitzLike the US did in S.A. by sponsoring/training for coupOct 01 05:08
FurnaceBoyit's a very powerful forceOct 01 05:08
FurnaceBoy"You can't afford to believe the truth."Oct 01 05:09
schestowitzSo think how to use the population against rotten applesOct 01 05:09
FurnaceBoyit applies to most AMericansOct 01 05:09
schestowitzOr employeesOct 01 05:09
FurnaceBoytheir lifestyle is so invested in all of this that they can't afford to reflect on it or question it.Oct 01 05:09
schestowitzAmericans are not badOct 01 05:09
schestowitzI like all the ones I knowOct 01 05:09
FurnaceBoybut most are wound up in the status quo.Oct 01 05:09
FurnaceBoythat's not to say they are bad peopleOct 01 05:09
FurnaceBoyi understand the powerful influences they are under.Oct 01 05:09
schestowitzI just don't like those who they pretend to elect... the companies and lobbyists doOct 01 05:09
schestowitzYou can only ever fantasise about Blair/Cheney on trialOct 01 05:10
schestowitzLet alone in prisonOct 01 05:10
schestowitzThey are all greased upOct 01 05:11
schestowitzThey 'fatten' themselves with lawyers, PR people, etc.Oct 01 05:11
schestowitzThey laugh inside at protestersOct 01 05:11
schestowitzCaricaturing themOct 01 05:11
schestowitzAs "irrational haters"Oct 01 05:11
schestowitz"the mod of the country"Oct 01 05:11
schestowitzCHavsOct 01 05:11
schestowitzYobsOct 01 05:11
schestowitzCraziesOct 01 05:12
FurnaceBoyyesOct 01 05:12
FurnaceBoyextremists. radicals. activistsOct 01 05:12
schestowitz"They think the government put dynamite in WTC"Oct 01 05:12
FurnaceBoythere are 1,000 terms for "unwanted person"Oct 01 05:12
schestowitzYou should hear GatesOct 01 05:12
schestowitzre GMO protestsOct 01 05:12
schestowitzhe mocks themOct 01 05:12
FurnaceBoyinconvenient personOct 01 05:12
FurnaceBoyluddites. anti-progress.Oct 01 05:12
schestowitz"environmentalists" the pricks calls themOct 01 05:12
FurnaceBoywow.Oct 01 05:12
schestowitz"oh, those crazy environmentalists.."Oct 01 05:12
schestowitz-Mr capitalistOct 01 05:13
schestowitzOnce in a while a Chomsky turns upOct 01 05:13
schestowitzThen it's harder to say "extremists. radicals. activists"Oct 01 05:13
schestowitzThey don't like thatOct 01 05:14
schestowitzSo they can but them off, silence them, intimidate them, smear them...Oct 01 05:14
schestowitzJulian Assange maybe...Oct 01 05:14
schestowitzNot sure about the detailsOct 01 05:14
schestowitz"All those wikileaks people are terrorist sympathisers who rape.."Oct 01 05:15
schestowitz"Blood on their hands"Oct 01 05:15
schestowitzMental image=killersOct 01 05:15
schestowitzSays GibbsOct 01 05:15
schestowitzIn a suitOct 01 05:15
FurnaceBoyyesOct 01 05:15
schestowitzListen to PelosiOct 01 05:16
schestowitz"She's like your next door neighbour"Oct 01 05:16
schestowitz"Smart as a fox"Oct 01 05:16
schestowitzOr FAUXOct 01 05:16
schestowitz"Trust your grandma"Oct 01 05:16
FurnaceBoyso pelosi 's another of arianna's buddies.Oct 01 05:16
FurnaceBoystands to reasonOct 01 05:16
schestowitzarianna=populistOct 01 05:16
schestowitzHuff & Puff "vs the establishmen"Oct 01 05:17
schestowitzA phantomOct 01 05:17
schestowitzControlled opposition (virtually) once it grewOct 01 05:17
FurnaceBoyshe takes her cues from FOXOct 01 05:17
schestowitzit was too good, they had to buy her offOct 01 05:17
schestowitzestablishmen->establishmentOct 01 05:17
schestowitzAlthough establishmen is a new slipOct 01 05:18
schestowitzestablishment=menOct 01 05:18
schestowitzThe "men with all the moneys"Oct 01 05:18
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA58svnA0PAOct 01 05:19
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schestowitzHolland is nice...Oct 01 05:19
schestowitzNo propaganda herOct 01 05:19
schestowitzNo propaganda hereOct 01 05:19
FurnaceBoyeyahOct 01 05:19
FurnaceBoyi need to get over the other side of the oceanOct 01 05:19
FurnaceBoywith Harper here it's getting claustrophobicOct 01 05:19
schestowitzMessage of the film: be nice to animals, they grow up to look menacingOct 01 05:19
FurnaceBoypublic discourse here is poisoned alreadyOct 01 05:19
schestowitzThese are innocent filmsOct 01 05:19
schestowitzNot like post-war propaganda films like Rambo or PredatorOct 01 05:20
schestowitzDaemonising "the enemy"Oct 01 05:20
schestowitzUS is still PR-inspired to the extremeOct 01 05:20
FurnaceBoyall Hollywood post-war is propaganda.Oct 01 05:20
schestowitzRemnants of BernayOct 01 05:20
FurnaceBoyALL.Oct 01 05:20
schestowitzFull MEtal JacketOct 01 05:20
FurnaceBoyit has to buttress the Just War mythOct 01 05:20
schestowitzmsg: "even Asian women would bust your gut"Oct 01 05:21
FurnaceBoyevery american invasion and action has been mythologisedOct 01 05:21
schestowitz"The Yellow Man"Oct 01 05:21
FurnaceBoyand they're still doing itOct 01 05:21
FurnaceBoygoing backwardsOct 01 05:21
schestowitz"he's coming for you"Oct 01 05:21
FurnaceBoyHiroshima is next.Oct 01 05:21
FurnaceBoyJames Cameron is going to give us 'the Hiroshima myth'Oct 01 05:21
schestowitzin 3d?Oct 01 05:21
FurnaceBoylet's see if the japanese stand for itOct 01 05:21
schestowitzTheir stories are goneOct 01 05:22
schestowitzThose who survived died from cancer by nowOct 01 05:22
*FurnaceBoy is now known as GelatinousCubeOct 01 06:12
*MinceR places GelatinousCube in a dungeon with 10' wide corridorsOct 01 06:53
*schestowitz brings over a beltOct 01 07:08
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schestowitzMinceR: "To be honest, it is very funny and sometimes irritating at the same time when you get bombarded over and over with such crappy articles that always tend to think the world is America and America is the world. Please Apple fanatics, we all know Lord Jobs is good at producing very shiny and likable UI, but please spare us the mostly baseless and frantic effort you devote to tearing apart anything that looks the leastOct 01 07:25
schestowitzbit like a decent phone compared to your hypeDevices."Oct 01 07:25
schestowitzhttp://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/09/dear-apple-fanatics-world-is-bigger.htmlOct 01 07:25
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schestowitzYour hype* meme spreadsOct 01 07:25
MinceR:>Oct 01 07:27
MinceRi don't think those UIs are likableOct 01 07:27
MinceRthey couldn't even get maximize to work correctlyOct 01 07:27
MinceRnice article thoughOct 01 07:29
MinceRexcept for insinuating that hypePhone is a "smartphone"Oct 01 07:29
MinceRif the hypePhone is a "smartphone" then so is my old J2ME-capable samsung sgh-c100Oct 01 07:29
schestowitz[07:27] <MinceR> i don't think those UIs are likableOct 01 07:29
schestowitzPeople who buy Macs have one finger?Oct 01 07:29
MinceRthe comment is funny tooOct 01 07:30
schestowitzDumbphoneOct 01 07:30
MinceRschestowitz: no, they just can't tell the difference between their fingers :>Oct 01 07:30
schestowitzI mean, look who buys those..Oct 01 07:30
schestowitzMinceR: they are smell the sameOct 01 07:30
MinceR:>Oct 01 07:30
schestowitzand saliva-filledOct 01 07:30
*schestowitz drollsOct 01 07:30
schestowitzdrools tooOct 01 07:30
schestowitz*smelling the sameOct 01 07:31
schestowitzMaybe they stick their fingers in things tooOct 01 07:31
MinceRbut it's verboten to stick your fingers in crApple productsOct 01 07:34
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9186842/Microsoft_sounds_alert_on_massive_Web_bugOct 01 07:42
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schestowitzMinceR: I was thinking of something else cause Mac people whom I know are such arseholesOct 01 07:43
schestowitzLike the ACCESS trollOct 01 07:43
schestowitzJust one exampleOct 01 07:43
MinceRthis planet is full of arseholesOct 01 07:45
schestowitzhttp://agrammar.tumblr.com/post/1127991128/offended-by-rank-objectification-of-writersOct 01 07:51
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schestowitzMinceR: over 10 billion of themOct 01 07:51
schestowitzMore than peopleOct 01 07:51
schestowitzAnimals have someOct 01 07:52
schestowitzBut I know some who are pure arseholes ad hardly people at allOct 01 07:52
schestowitzThey are just one giant walking arseholeOct 01 07:52
MinceRthose are numerous tooOct 01 07:53
schestowitzgnOct 01 08:03
MinceRgoing to sleep, now? :)Oct 01 08:07
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/eSprT.jpgOct 01 08:09
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: Great value. http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2010/09/vintage-hitchen-1988-highly-recommended-.htmlOct 01 08:33
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qu1j0t303:48:11      qu1j0t3 | it's very interesting to analyse the twit/twat                                  │Oct 01 08:51
qu1j0t303:48:21      qu1j0t3 | notice he talks about 1) money 2) numbers, like poll results.                   │Oct 01 08:51
qu1j0t303:48:23      qu1j0t3 | never about principle.                                                          │Oct 01 08:51
qu1j0t303:48:31      qu1j0t3 | he's a typical right wing ideologue                                             │Oct 01 08:51
qu1j0t303:48:45      qu1j0t3 | he skates around questions of principle as if they are invisible.               │Oct 01 08:51
qu1j0t303:48:54      qu1j0t3 | "An attorney general who is probably a crook."                                  │Oct 01 08:51
qu1j0t303:49:06      qu1j0t3 | the truth of that question is of no interest to that guy.                       │Oct 01 08:52
qu1j0t303:49:20      qu1j0t3 | it's irrelevant. his mission is to make the question inadmissible.              │Oct 01 08:52
qu1j0t303:49:24      qu1j0t3 | to taint its sOct 01 08:52
qu1j0t3  qu1j0t3 | to taint its source.Oct 01 08:52
qu1j0t3  qu1j0t3 | "Oh, we like to hear X from Hitchens,Oct 01 08:52
qu1j0t3  qu1j0t3 | "because Hitchens can be discredited, by claiming that he dines wiht Castro,Oct 01 08:52
qu1j0t3  qu1j0t3 | "or is a child molester, or rapist (Assange!), etcOct 01 08:52
qu1j0t3  qu1j0t3 | it's most important not to answer questions such as "is the president a fraud,"Oct 01 08:54
qu1j0t3  qu1j0t3 | but rather to define what questions should never be asked.Oct 01 08:54
qu1j0t3  qu1j0t3 | so all the effort goes into putting the questioner and question off limits.Oct 01 08:54
qu1j0t3  qu1j0t3 | it's always the same.Oct 01 08:54
qu1j0t3  qu1j0t3 | this is why harper is afraid of questions and often refuses to answer themOct 01 08:54
qu1j0t3  qu1j0t3 | or even entertain questions at allOct 01 08:54
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*MinceR just read the about page of reactosOct 01 09:32
MinceRdamn, these guys are cluelessOct 01 09:32
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/52909848#notice-53357229 "its ok,.. both modes are fine :)"Oct 01 10:54
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schestowitz[08:09] <MinceR> http://i.imgur.com/eSprT.jpgOct 01 10:54
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schestowitzSticky issuesOct 01 10:54
schestowitzGelatinousCube:Oct 01 10:55
schestowitz[08:54] <qu1j0t3>   qu1j0t3 | so all the effort goes into putting the questioner and question off limits.Oct 01 10:55
schestowitzExactlyOct 01 10:56
schestowitzMinceR: react  OS I never hard abouit anymoreOct 01 10:56
schestowitzThey had some visibility some years backOct 01 10:56
schestowitzMicrosoft hired at least one key dev of theirsOct 01 10:56
schestowitzSeems to have been a friendly way to kill this project --drain itOct 01 10:57
MinceRi don't even know why m$ wanted to kill that projectOct 01 10:57
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/52897927#notice-53381046 "That article is grossly misleading. (And I'm both a Mac & Linux zealot.)"Oct 01 11:00
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schestowitzRe  "5 Things !Linux Does Better Than Mac OS X"Oct 01 11:00
schestowitzNotice he's very specificOct 01 11:00
schestowitz"I also like Linux, but..."Oct 01 11:01
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26049232365 "Just noticed #boycottboy doesn't even know the difference between "to diffuse" and "to defuse". U of M can be proud."Oct 01 11:07
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schestowitzHere come the grammar NaziOct 01 11:08
schestowitzI do the differenceOct 01 11:08
schestowitzI meant what I wrote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DiffuseOct 01 11:09
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schestowitzGelatinousCube: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DiffuseOct 01 11:11
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schestowitzOops, wrong linkOct 01 11:12
schestowitzhttp://madhatter.ca/2010/09/26/stephen-harper-and-michael-ignatief-the-men-with-the-most-to-lose-in-the-next-election/Oct 01 11:12
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schestowitzThis was posted by someone I knowOct 01 11:12
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26059255357 "Before you (as you call it) "feed" the Commission, you might want to disclose your conflicts of interest. http://bit.ly/9xlqy3 #lobby"Oct 01 11:17
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schestowitzStupid mobbyistOct 01 11:17
schestowitzhttp://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3905206/Tech-Comics-Facebooks-Like-Button.htmOct 01 11:39
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schestowitzhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-09-28_NouveauOct 01 12:17
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schestowitzhttp://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/09/geek-time-with-linus-torvalds.htmlOct 01 12:19
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schestowitzWeird oneOct 01 12:19
gnufreexI am just downloading Fedora 14 BetaOct 01 12:20
gnufreexIs that test day today?Oct 01 12:20
gnufreexOh crapOct 01 12:20
gnufreexIt was two days agoOct 01 12:20
schestowitzhttp://www.ghacks.net/2010/09/28/upgrade-ubuntu-from-10-04-to-10-10/Oct 01 12:20
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schestowitzI wonder whether to upgrade at allOct 01 12:21
schestowitzkde 4.5Oct 01 12:21
schestowitzNot much new in itOct 01 12:21
oiaohm4.5 is start of stablisation.Oct 01 13:01
oiaohmSo less bugs is the main new feature.Oct 01 13:02
MinceRthat explains why 4.3 sucks so much :>Oct 01 13:02
oiaohm4.0 to 4.4 was mostly trying to restore older features.Oct 01 13:03
oiaohmAlso 4.5 is the start of the end to khtml.  MinceROct 01 13:05
MinceRjust the khtml that was not rebranded, is it?Oct 01 13:05
oiaohmwebkit  lining up to become kde major html rendering engine.Oct 01 13:05
Quadrescenceschestowitz ~ the best matlabber in the worldOct 01 13:05
oiaohmwebkit has a lot of binding reductions. MinceROct 01 13:06
MinceRi knowOct 01 13:06
oiaohmLot of areas KDE is starting to slim down as well.Oct 01 13:06
oiaohmIe wrappers on top of wrappers is not a good thing.Oct 01 13:07
oiaohmKSharedDataCache is also a interesting new feature.Oct 01 13:08
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schestowitznew: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC-ZRfU1VhoOct 01 13:56
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schestowitzoiaohm: I worry about the upgrade going badlyOct 01 13:57
schestowitzNot that it ever didOct 01 13:57
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schestowitzAny idea how to show Causecast is Gates' way of funnelling money to Arianna?Oct 01 14:24
schestowitzI'm assuming so..Oct 01 14:24
schestowitzThis is something we can find out about and publish to expose Hugff&PuffOct 01 14:24
schestowitzvOct 01 14:31
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/800px-Thomas_Friedman_1990.jpgOct 01 14:31
oiaohmCausecast In think it predates MS trouble making.Oct 01 14:38
oiaohmhttp://www.causecast.org/news_items/9666-nike-world-cup-2010-recycled-plastic-bottles-jerseys  schestowitz  this kind of stuff Causecast has done for a long time.Oct 01 14:50
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Nike Uses Recycled Plastic Bottles To Make World Cup Jerseys .::. Size~: 25.44 KBOct 01 14:50
schestowitzHmmm...Oct 01 14:50
schestowitz2010.Oct 01 14:50
oiaohmMost world cups large percent of Jerseys end up in bins.  So making them out of plastic that will not break down is a bad thing.Oct 01 14:51
schestowitzBTW:Oct 01 14:51
schestowitz>> I dislike these kind of elitist arguments. I would prefer to takeOct 01 14:51
schestowitz>> demand as a legitimate form of qualitative judgment over theOct 01 14:51
schestowitz>> aesthetic judgments of self-appointed guardians of "true art".Oct 01 14:51
schestowitz>> Art is not necessarily better just because it is "quirky, unusual,Oct 01 14:51
schestowitz>> or risky". That's why I dislike direct government support of theOct 01 14:51
schestowitz>> arts in any form, it tends to institutionalize the influence ofOct 01 14:51
schestowitz>> these guardians of the arts (and end up with being an excerciseOct 01 14:51
schestowitz>> in artistic organizations granting one another money based notOct 01 14:51
schestowitz>> on any demonstrated public interest, but rather on their perceptionOct 01 14:51
schestowitz>> of what they think the public should be interested in).Oct 01 14:51
schestowitz>Oct 01 14:51
schestowitz> You are missing the point here.  It is not that art is necessarily betterOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> if it is quirky, unusual, or risky -- it is just that the process ofOct 01 14:51
oiaohmThat is just there most recent.  schestowitzOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> commoditisation in the arts is explicitly about getting rid of thatOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> which is quirky, unusual or risky and producing a predictable, blandOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> and, to the extent it is possible uniform commodity.Oct 01 14:51
schestowitz>Oct 01 14:51
schestowitz> So the art guardians that you mention are also nearly always engagedOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> on commoditisation on a large scale.  They define a standard ofOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> product that they think people ought to be exposed to, and demand thatOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> artists produce works that correspond to their image.  So they may goOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> about saying that they are interested in the unusual, but when youOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> actually submit art to them you generally find that they are onlyOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> interested in those things which are unusual in some very predictable,Oct 01 14:51
schestowitz> formulaic ways.  If you are a different sort of unusual, chances areOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> they will decide that your art is not something that they areOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> interested in funding.  'Good Art' is a commodity for them, as well,Oct 01 14:51
schestowitz> no matter how loudly they might protest otherwise, and to the extentOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> they sent artists lists of 'what it is that we are looking for' theOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> details of their particular commoditisation process is there for allOct 01 14:51
schestowitz> to see.Oct 01 14:51
oiaohmTreehugger is basically highly miss informed envormental message.Oct 01 14:51
schestowitzbut who funds cauecast?Oct 01 14:52
oiaohmMostly to make companies appear green.Oct 01 14:52
schestowitzThat's what I wonderedOct 01 14:52
oiaohmI would suspect nike and other indirectly.Oct 01 14:52
schestowitzYeahOct 01 14:52
schestowitz> When I apply it to swpat communication then I mean it was always easy toOct 01 14:53
schestowitz> sell patent criticism with a left wing "free the knowledge , patents areOct 01 14:53
schestowitz> corporate theft" spin, but that is not where I stand. When you pander toOct 01 14:53
schestowitz> the masses and satisfy media preconceptions it is so much easier to makeOct 01 14:53
schestowitz> buzz. But it does not honestly reflect your position that you think isOct 01 14:53
schestowitz> correct.Oct 01 14:53
schestowitz>Oct 01 14:53
schestowitz> You speak about the "risk" which induces reproduction, in art we call itOct 01 14:53
schestowitz> epigonal kitsch. The difference seems to be made by a notion of artisticOct 01 14:53
schestowitz> "honesty". I would appreciate a Schumpeterian art theory. Prometheus andOct 01 14:53
schestowitz> Hephaistos. Maybe we need both?Oct 01 14:53
oiaohmPET plastics are one of the forms of plastic that don't break down.Oct 01 14:57
oiaohmEven worse.Oct 01 14:57
oiaohmhttp://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/articles/070726/26petplastic.htm Pet plastics are banned from baby bottles because they could be toxic.Oct 01 14:59
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Health: The Safety of PET Bottles - US News and World Report .::. Size~: 22.53 KBOct 01 14:59
schestowitzSo is it greenwashing?Oct 01 14:59
oiaohmNow nike having people wearing them???  schestowitzOct 01 14:59
oiaohmand some how this is so green.Oct 01 14:59
oiaohmGreen would have been if they had been made out of PLA or other biodegradeable plastics.Oct 01 15:00
oiaohmI would say greenwashing is not exactly the word.Oct 01 15:01
MinceRperhaps they don't want clothing to degrade while you're wearing it :>Oct 01 15:01
oiaohmPLA as materal will take about 8 years to degrade.Oct 01 15:01
oiaohmIs very slow biodegrading MinceROct 01 15:01
oiaohmcotton and other natural fibers also could have been used so avoiding pet as well.  MinceROct 01 15:03
oiaohmIe just because it a recycled material does not mean your usage of it is right.Oct 01 15:05
MinceRthe way i see it is that bottles are bought to throw away, but clothing is notOct 01 15:05
MinceRwhat would you use recycled PET for?Oct 01 15:05
oiaohmThat class of clothing does become throw away in large numbers MinceROct 01 15:05
MinceRwhich class?Oct 01 15:06
oiaohmSo not much better than bottles.Oct 01 15:06
oiaohmMajor socer  Jerseys the street parties after the events seen the ripped up and other wise destoryed.Oct 01 15:07
oiaohmIn number.Oct 01 15:07
schestowitzThey can wear normal shirtsOct 01 15:07
MinceRindeedOct 01 15:07
schestowitzThey are normal peopleOct 01 15:07
schestowitzDon't get me started about the Man. Utd. shirts they sell for like 50 quidOct 01 15:08
schestowitzFor branding alone, like Apple^3Oct 01 15:08
oiaohmPET is a material that requires recycling because nothing natuarly destories it.Oct 01 15:08
MinceRat least those shirts don't blow up on their ownOct 01 15:08
oiaohmAnd I do mean nothing.Oct 01 15:08
MinceRoiaohm: nothing lasts forever though :>Oct 01 15:09
MinceRnot even protonsOct 01 15:09
schestowitzMy brother has Man. Utd. underwear, you don't even see the brandingOct 01 15:09
MinceRlolOct 01 15:09
schestowitzNotice how prominent Apple make its logoOct 01 15:09
oiaohmMinceR: All fire does to PET is melt it.   The stuff does not burn either.Oct 01 15:09
schestowitzIt even consumes battery life (lighting)Oct 01 15:09
schestowitzJust to tell the audience that the presenter is better than them (cause s/he spent more on a PC)Oct 01 15:10
oiaohmWhen it melted any trapped toxic solvent is released from PETOct 01 15:10
MinceRi think that lighting bleed over from the backlighting of the display -- but then it should be reflected insteadOct 01 15:10
MinceRs/eed/eeds/Oct 01 15:10
schestowitzImagine is Armani was the sameOct 01 15:10
schestowitzIt would have some sort of battery cell coming with the suitOct 01 15:10
oiaohmAgain another reason not to have it as socer jerserys.Oct 01 15:10
schestowitzTo light up and shine out the bradOct 01 15:10
schestowitzTo light up and shine out the brandOct 01 15:10
MinceRschestowitz: exploding battery cell?Oct 01 15:10
schestowitzOf courseOct 01 15:11
schestowitzAnd when Apple explodes, it BOMBSOct 01 15:11
schestowitzIntel AtomOct 01 15:11
MinceR:>Oct 01 15:11
schestowitz[15:10] <oiaohm> Again another reason not to have it as socer jerserys.Oct 01 15:11
schestowitzShort life expectancy is good for some industriesOct 01 15:12
schestowitzThat's why smoking has its roleOct 01 15:12
schestowitzit shortens the lives of people who are no long "productive members of society"&TM (read: MULES)Oct 01 15:12
MinceRwell, there's the tobacco industryOct 01 15:12
oiaohmProblem with PET is that is not a short life expectancy.Oct 01 15:12
schestowitzBaby boomer are a real trouble to some corpsOct 01 15:13
schestowitz*boomersOct 01 15:13
oiaohmA PET bottle today not recycled ever most likely would be around when world ends MinceROct 01 15:13
schestowitzlike Apple gadgetsOct 01 15:13
schestowitzLongevity would increase if dietary recoms. from the govt. were not fakes and massaged by the corn/sugar industriesOct 01 15:13
schestowitzBTWOct 01 15:14
schestowitzReminds me of this video I watched of a Romanian channelOct 01 15:14
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eo9kK-iZB5UOct 01 15:15
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schestowitzI've seen old people  wanting to die (very old people)Oct 01 15:15
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/205550/chrome_7_will_get_60_times_faster_google_says.html?tk=hp_newOct 01 15:16
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schestowitzSounds familiar? 7-washing.Oct 01 15:16
schestowitz"60!!!" time fasterOct 01 15:16
schestowitzwebPOct 01 15:16
oiaohm60 times faster is possible.Oct 01 15:17
oiaohmI know it sound insane but remember GPU are at a min 16 times faster than CPU.Oct 01 15:18
oiaohmFor a lot of graphical operations.Oct 01 15:18
schestowitzoiaohm: in some areasOct 01 15:24
schestowitzNot browsing X-pee-rience as a wholeOct 01 15:24
schestowitzLike if I write some lousy loop for rending imagesOct 01 15:24
schestowitzAnd then parallelise/vectorise itOct 01 15:24
oiaohmimage rendering and layout maths can be done faster in GPUOct 01 15:30
oiaohmMonder day html rendering has a lot of layout maths.Oct 01 15:34
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schestowitzYou can overlay pagesOct 01 15:58
schestowitzI think Chrome uses some interesting trickOct 01 15:58
schestowitzSo Mozilla accuses them of teaching in comparatorsOct 01 15:58
schestowitzYou can texturing pages/previews tooOct 01 15:59
schestowitzI hope community edition of mysql is safe with orcl http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/it-strategy/2010/09/20/oracle-launches-mysql-55-release-candidate-40090172/Oct 01 16:07
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GelatinousCubeoiaohm | image rendering and layout maths can be done faster in GPU <-- that's unlikely.Oct 01 16:28
GelatinousCubelayout is far from an SIMD operationOct 01 16:28
GelatinousCubeimage rendering, sure. it's what gpus *do*Oct 01 16:29
schestowitzWho here is on Fedora? http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/linux/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=227500959&subSection=Open+SourceOct 01 16:37
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schestowitz[16:28] <GelatinousCube> layout is far from an SIMD operationOct 01 16:37
schestowitzNo, it's trueOct 01 16:37
schestowitzPhysics simulations that include thing like Ray Tracing has parts in the GPU availableOct 01 16:38
schestowitzThe API (say OpenGL) gives lighting assistive callOct 01 16:38
schestowitzAnd if you can transcore your maths in a language that utilises that, then you can do well on just cluster of many nvidia gpus and few cpu coresOct 01 16:39
schestowitzNASA does thisOct 01 16:39
schestowitzOr other agencieOct 01 16:39
schestowitzOr other agenciesOct 01 16:39
schestowitzthey don't care if nvidia is a blob, eitherOct 01 16:39
schestowitz[16:29] <GelatinousCube> image rendering, sure. it's what gpus *do*Oct 01 16:40
schestowitzAnd basic geometryOct 01 16:40
schestowitzviewpoints and allOct 01 16:40
schestowitzlike what?Oct 01 16:42
schestowitzoops. wrong tabOct 01 16:42
schestowitz"@schestowitz compiler - apathetic  hehe" http://identi.ca/conversation/52989025#notice-53437255Oct 01 16:46
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GelatinousCubeschestowitz: no, but html layout isn't that kind of operation.Oct 01 16:46
schestowitzI was thinking of tabsOct 01 17:16
schestowitzOr image cacheOct 01 17:16
schestowitzWhen you render and rerender  a page the objects are drawn separatelyOct 01 17:17
schestowitzusing X or whatever to do the buttons and put elements in placeOct 01 17:17
schestowitzYou could treat that more like texture or sceneOct 01 17:17
GelatinousCubeyes, once laid outOct 01 17:17
GelatinousCubebrowsers already do this, even IE9Oct 01 17:17
schestowitzWebGL and Microsoft's anti-std equiv do something, but for 3dOct 01 17:18
GelatinousCubenah that's differentOct 01 17:18
GelatinousCubemost browsers do 2d accelOct 01 17:18
GelatinousCubewhich weirds me out a bit, it belongs in an underlying paiOct 01 17:18
GelatinousCubeapi*Oct 01 17:18
GelatinousCubebut oia is wrong that layout can be accel much in gpuOct 01 17:19
schestowitzhttp://balance.fsf.org/video/gnulib_-_Contributing_reusable_code.ogvOct 01 17:47
schestowitzOopsOct 01 17:47
schestowitzNot this..Oct 01 17:47
schestowitzThis: http://tinyogg.com/watch/YYL2f/Oct 01 17:47
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schestowitz"Never. It is juvenile. Consider instead that names can become epithets (eg. 'Benedict Arnold', 'Enron', etc.)." http://identi.ca/conversation/53047407#notice-53502091Oct 01 23:51
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schestowitzI was sort of joking.Oct 01 23:52
schestowitz"@pookito I think it's @schestowitz's neologism for a pro microsoft lobbyist? I searched identica :)"Oct 01 23:53
schestowitz"@silner So what is a mobbyist? I was googling it and I could not find it."Oct 01 23:53
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/53051928#notice-53502631Oct 01 23:53
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qu1j0t3:)Oct 01 23:57

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