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| schestowitz | gnufreex: ping | Oct 05 00:12 |
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| schestowitz | [22:42] <gnufreex> I saw Lefty being more active on LWN, so he is doing more anty-freedom attacks now that he doesn | Oct 05 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Funny eough this applies to two people | Oct 05 00:12 |
| gnufreex | Who else? | Oct 05 00:12 |
| schestowitz | The mobbyists as I call them | Oct 05 00:13 |
| schestowitz | They talk to each other in Twitter a lot | Oct 05 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Mostly about me | Oct 05 00:13 |
| schestowitz | And they highlight my user name,so it's no secret either | Oct 05 00:13 |
| gnufreex | Jeremy Allison asked FM who does he work for.. again http://lwn.net/Articles/408443/ | Oct 05 00:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: What is Florian's strategy? [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 6.66 KB | Oct 05 00:13 |
| gnufreex | That is second time in few days. | Oct 05 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Together with the several accounts there which are dedicated only to stalking me | Oct 05 00:13 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: good | Oct 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | He won't answer | Oct 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Which in itself is an answer | Oct 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | I asked him over 10 times | Oct 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | He never answered | Oct 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | I even made it a N/Y question | Oct 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | to simplify for him | Oct 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | He runs away | Oct 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Which was telling | Oct 05 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Over 100 comments in that one exchange | Oct 05 00:14 |
| gnufreex | He answered once: "I will comment that on separate ocasion when I see fit" | Oct 05 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Oh dear | Oct 05 00:15 |
| schestowitz | That's another evasion line | Oct 05 00:15 |
| schestowitz | New one | Oct 05 00:15 |
| gnufreex | Or something like: I stand by my decision to comment those things on separate posing... | Oct 05 00:16 |
| gnufreex | I think he wrote that once on Techrights. | Oct 05 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I can find you the thread | Oct 05 00:19 |
| schestowitz | You can use him to show VERY repeated evasions | Oct 05 00:19 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/08/06/record-straight-on-groklaw-ibm/ | Oct 05 00:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Groklaw Responds to Latest FUD from Florian Müller | Techrights .::. Size~: 199.19 KB | Oct 05 00:19 |
| schestowitz | See comments | Oct 05 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Earlier exposition: | Oct 05 00:20 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/04/11/florian-mueller-and-erika-mann/ | Oct 05 00:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Florian Müller Seemingly Connected to CCIA (Microsoft Proxy) | Techrights .::. Size~: 129.74 KB | Oct 05 00:20 |
| gnufreex | This is interesting | Oct 05 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Glad you like it | Oct 05 00:21 |
| schestowitz | I have about a dozen posts about it | Oct 05 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Scroll down in these to "posts that link to/reference it" | Oct 05 00:21 |
| schestowitz | There's a chronology | Oct 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Sad thing is, many people did not see what I have seen | Oct 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz | So they insist he's not a mobbyist | Oct 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz | Dana for example | Oct 05 00:22 |
| gnufreex | ok, I will first read this comments | Oct 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz | I can't pass 1000 comments into his mind | Oct 05 00:22 |
| schestowitz | He's being branwashed constantly by the mobbyist, who is not stupid | Oct 05 00:22 |
| gnufreex | That is exactly why I consider making a blog exclusively to refute everything that FM says. | Oct 05 00:23 |
| gnufreex | And then just link it to people | Oct 05 00:23 |
| gnufreex | When he tries to sell them | Oct 05 00:24 |
| gnufreex | his crap | Oct 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz | [22:40] <gnufreex> So he lost two jobs | Oct 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz | That's what Homer said | Oct 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Surprised me that he reads the site in lurk mode | Oct 05 00:24 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, that is where I read. | Oct 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz | [00:23] <gnufreex> That is exactly why I consider making a blog exclusively to refute everything that FM says. | Oct 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Babrbie did it | Oct 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Barbara Hudson in Slushdot | Oct 05 00:25 |
| gnufreex | Got link? | Oct 05 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 05 00:25 |
| gnufreex | People dont know. Most people are not grasping whole picture. So they can get into his traps. Some of his points are true, but then he spins spins spins. | Oct 05 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/06/29/ibm-paranoia/ | Oct 05 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: IBMs Black Helicopters | Techrights .::. Size~: 118.4 KB | Oct 05 00:26 |
| gnufreex | ANd they get idea how he is smart and they should listen him | Oct 05 00:26 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/06/29/bilski-links-post-scotus/ | Oct 05 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: More Bilski Analysis/Links (and Microsoft Front Group Commends Florian Müller) | Techrights .::. Size~: 117.9 KB | Oct 05 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Links therein | Oct 05 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Learn them, study them, if you need a blog, use techrights at will | Oct 05 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I don't have time to refuse the mobbyists | Oct 05 00:27 |
| schestowitz | I would if I had | Oct 05 00:27 |
| schestowitz | *refute | Oct 05 00:27 |
| gnufreex | You are doing enough. | Oct 05 00:27 |
| schestowitz | COuld do more | Oct 05 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Waste of time addressing one peon | Oct 05 00:28 |
| schestowitz | I work against millions in ISVs+Microsoft and then there's Apple.. | Oct 05 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Our problem is nor one person | Oct 05 00:28 |
| schestowitz | His funding source may make him just a tick in a termite nest | Oct 05 00:28 |
| schestowitz | But we use hi as example | Oct 05 00:29 |
| oiaohm | And you get accuses of spinning the facks. schestowitz. Florian make you look like an angel | Oct 05 00:29 |
| schestowitz | As we do with ACT, COmpTIA, etc. | Oct 05 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft front | Oct 05 00:29 |
| oiaohm | facks/ facts | Oct 05 00:29 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they give poor example | Oct 05 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I saw some | Oct 05 00:29 |
| schestowitz | From the stalkers | Oct 05 00:29 |
| schestowitz | They lie | Oct 05 00:29 |
| schestowitz | ANd they leave out context | Oct 05 00:29 |
| schestowitz | One stalker said I accused Gates of evading taxation | Oct 05 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Big thing that you do that Florian does not is provide links and names to back up what you are saying. schestowitz | Oct 05 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Reducing them rather | Oct 05 00:30 |
| schestowitz | What he didn't say was that Gates pays no tax, Ballmer does | Oct 05 00:30 |
| schestowitz | I made that very abundantly clear in the post | Oct 05 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Without context it's just a Beck-like cheap shot at me | Oct 05 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Ballmer really does not pay tax either. | Oct 05 00:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Florian has backup now | Oct 05 00:31 |
| schestowitz | The ACCESS mobbyist | Oct 05 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Full-time troll | Oct 05 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Laid off #mobbyists find new ways to troll Free software communities. "He's a liar and a professional troll, block him." http://ur1.ca/1ya54 | Oct 05 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | Today | Oct 05 00:31 |
| schestowitz | About the ACCESS troll | Oct 05 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Identica/FOSS people block him | Oct 05 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Calling him a troll | Oct 05 00:32 |
| schestowitz | As for me, I'm 4th most prolific in that site | Oct 05 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Turned out that way... | Oct 05 00:32 |
| oiaohm | That is the other thing you don't really make your self prolific | Oct 05 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Its other people picking up your posts that do. | Oct 05 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Really its something you should be proud of. schestowitz | Oct 05 00:35 |
| gnufreex | Haha, lefty got busted. I wonder why FM don't use identi,ca | Oct 05 00:37 |
| gnufreex | He hates free software. | Oct 05 00:37 |
| gnufreex | AGPL | Oct 05 00:37 |
| gnufreex | It is a cancer for him | Oct 05 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Key detector of a closed source supporter. | Oct 05 00:38 |
| schestowitz | He's use Live Spaces | Oct 05 00:50 |
| schestowitz | But it's dead | Oct 05 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Uses Gmail+blgospot(GOogle) | Oct 05 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Hypocrite | Oct 05 00:50 |
| schestowitz | On Red hat probably | Oct 05 00:50 |
| schestowitz | Without RAND+swpats | Oct 05 00:50 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/opinion/04krugman.html?_r=3&hp=&pagewanted=print | Oct 05 03:07 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I guess you saw that. | Oct 05 03:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: if u want a login free link lemme know | Oct 05 03:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: or try http://bit.ly/fearandfavor | Oct 05 03:09 |
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| qu1j0t3 | hm, perhaps not ;-) | Oct 05 03:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: "Modern American conservatism is, in large part, a movement shaped by billionaires and their bank accounts, and assured paychecks for the ideologically loyal are an important part of the system. Scientists willing to deny the existence of man-made climate change, economists willing to declare that tax cuts for the rich are essential to growth, strategic thinkers willing to | Oct 05 03:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | provide rationales for wars of choice, lawyers willing to provide defenses of torture, all can count on support from a network of organizations that may seem independent on the surface but are largely financed by a handful of ultrawealthy families. | Oct 05 03:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | And these organizations have long provided havens for conservative political figures not currently in office. | Oct 05 03:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: sound familiar? :) | Oct 05 03:39 |
| schestowitz | Hi, qu1j0t3 | Oct 05 03:48 |
| *schestowitz scrolls | Oct 05 03:48 | |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: nicely put | Oct 05 03:49 |
| *schestowitz adds to daily links | Oct 05 03:49 | |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that's Krugan | Oct 05 03:50 |
| schestowitz | And no, I hadn't seen it till you showed me | Oct 05 03:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that's Krugman* | Oct 05 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Oct 05 03:50 |
| schestowitz | I saw his wikipedia page a while back | Oct 05 03:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | not usual NYT crap. wonder how long he'll last there... | Oct 05 03:50 |
| schestowitz | He's not too friendly t/w the westablishment | Oct 05 03:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | or maybe he's the token ACTIVIST | Oct 05 03:50 |
| schestowitz | Another whom he reminds me of his Stiglitz | Oct 05 03:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes! | Oct 05 03:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | i was about to mention him. | Oct 05 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Butm aybe cause they are lookalikes | Oct 05 03:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | no, no, Stiglitz has come out swinging. | Oct 05 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Recently or always? | Oct 05 03:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | longer ago | Oct 05 03:51 |
| schestowitz | I only knew about him since '07 | Oct 05 03:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | i haven't read his recent stuff. | Oct 05 03:51 |
| schestowitz | He was to be in WB/me chokes | Oct 05 03:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | before 07 i think. | Oct 05 03:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | WB? | Oct 05 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they turn bitter | Oct 05 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Like Linus Pauling | Oct 05 03:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | oh yeah | Oct 05 03:51 |
| schestowitz | Then they get labeled "cranks" | Oct 05 03:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Oct 05 03:52 |
| schestowitz | That's the word they use for that] | Oct 05 03:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | krugman has been lambasted this way forever. | Oct 05 03:52 |
| schestowitz | Well, power to him then | Oct 05 03:52 |
| schestowitz | I link to his columns a lot cause protests against bankers cite him a lot | Oct 05 03:52 |
| schestowitz | Moustache man might swing at him in a NYT panel | Oct 05 03:53 |
| schestowitz | Road to Damascus | Oct 05 03:53 |
| schestowitz | Road to Iraq | Oct 05 03:53 |
| schestowitz | Road to Gods with Chequebooks | Oct 05 03:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | who was it who wouldn't shake hands with bush? Colbert at the correspondent's dinner? | Oct 05 03:54 |
| schestowitz | Just got mail from activists in South America | Oct 05 03:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | Krugman shouldn't spit on Friedman. | Oct 05 03:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | Friedman the apologist for killers | Oct 05 03:54 |
| schestowitz | SOme of them do Spanish translation of Techright | Oct 05 03:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | and torturers | Oct 05 03:54 |
| schestowitz | Techrights | Oct 05 03:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | oh really? | Oct 05 03:54 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Oct 05 03:54 |
| schestowitz | They target teachers | Oct 05 03:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | jweyrich is in Brazil. He knows people | Oct 05 03:54 |
| schestowitz | Everyone knows people :- | Oct 05 03:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | and rnb was very active in South America, if he'd ever come back... | Oct 05 03:54 |
| schestowitz | He should be careful | Oct 05 03:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | i mean, he knows open source "activist" ppl in brazil | Oct 05 03:55 |
| schestowitz | With Gates praising Coca-cola and funding it too, he could get killed | Oct 05 03:55 |
| schestowitz | With payments from Gods with Chequebooks | Oct 05 03:55 |
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| schestowitz | "no, but spammers _have_ to be stopped. Full stop." http://twitter.com/flameeyes/status/26414388919 | Oct 05 06:05 |
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| schestowitz | I had the same problems which cost me time and bandwidth money | Oct 05 06:05 |
| schestowitz | It's the idea that if the BSA calls it "piracy", then they too can in some sense be called "pirates" | Oct 05 06:24 |
| MinceR | i'd rather call them spammers and criminals. piracy is cool. :) | Oct 05 06:55 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Except that it's legal." http://identi.ca/conversation/53717313#notice-54172702 | Oct 05 07:44 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: it IS cool | Oct 05 07:45 |
| schestowitz | Cause sites of p2pers called themselves that | Oct 05 07:45 |
| schestowitz | I guess it woked for them | Oct 05 07:45 |
| schestowitz | They hijacked the term | Oct 05 07:45 |
| schestowitz | And romantaised it | Oct 05 07:45 |
| MinceR | it's older than that | Oct 05 07:47 |
| MinceR | and more far-reaching | Oct 05 07:47 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Mr._Yuk#Effectiveness | Oct 05 07:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/52813313#notice-54192748 "@schestowitz what you feel LibreOffice and KDE would gain from such an arrangement? of course, we do already collaborate on file formats." | Oct 05 08:50 |
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| schestowitz | Back in the days KOffice people helped ODF by publicly collaborating with Sun's OOo. It looks good wrt sharing. | Oct 05 08:51 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/53741112#notice-54196251 "@schestowitz but i can't see KDE in the TDF supporters list" | Oct 05 09:05 |
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| schestowitz | That's the point I was making... | Oct 05 09:05 |
| schestowitz | "was tongue-in-cheek, ie a joke. Observation: your lack of humour goes with your lack of morality and your lack of integrity." http://twitter.com/#!/jackschofield/status/26437107707 | Oct 05 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | He goes nasty now | Oct 05 09:07 |
| schestowitz | "I feel sorry for your mother. If she knows what you're really like, she must be terribly ashamed of you." http://twitter.com/#!/jackschofield/status/26437633966 | Oct 05 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | That's real mature of you, Jack. First you insult @rcweir and now me. Doesn't bode well for credibility. | Oct 05 09:08 |
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| schestowitz_log | [09:08] <schestowitz> That's real mature of you, Jack. First you insult @rcweir and now me. Doesn't bode well for credibility. | Oct 05 09:16 |
| schestowitz_log | [09:11] <schestowitz> "@schestowitz a positive thing that is still happening to this day. much more important than supportive quotes on a web site." http://identi.ca/conversation/53741112#notice-54198160 | Oct 05 09:16 |
| schestowitz_log | [09:12] <schestowitz> http://identi.ca/conversation/53741112#notice-54198722 "@schestowitz political gestures aside, its substantive hard work with results that has value. we do odf, LibreOffice is not KDE's struggle." | Oct 05 09:16 |
| schestowitz_log | [09:12] <schestowitz> http://identi.ca/conversation/53741112#notice-54199001 "@schestowitz some F/OSS quarters have too much internal politics, public grandstanding and general interference." | Oct 05 09:16 |
| schestowitz_log | [09:12] <schestowitz> I was thinking about TDF more than about LibreOffice for KDE | Oct 05 09:16 |
| schestowitz_log | [09:13] <schestowitz> http://identi.ca/conversation/53743535#notice-54199374 "@schestowitz i hope they will be joining with us :)" | Oct 05 09:16 |
| schestowitz_log | [09:14] <schestowitz> seehttp://identi.ca/conversation/53743535#notice-54199374 http://identi.ca/conversation/53741112#notice-54196251 | Oct 05 09:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/jackschofield/statuses/26438745527 "At least it was a true statement. You wouldn't appear to know very much about those." | Oct 05 09:35 |
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| schestowitz | It was a false observation and a mistake for you to make because you can't enter people's minds | Oct 05 09:36 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 05 09:36 |
| schestowitz | He's being rude | Oct 05 09:37 |
| schestowitz | WHich makes him just look bad | Oct 05 09:37 |
| schestowitz | me: "@jackschofield advice: learn to accept criticism; what you do is resort to BIll O'Reilly type-tactics. Need I too ask about your mom?" | Oct 05 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Insults from him I take as a compliment | Oct 05 09:41 |
| schestowitz | he's a massive MSFT fanboy | Oct 05 09:41 |
| schestowitz | His whole career | Oct 05 09:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/54201054 "@danishka that's great. but it isn't a reason for KDE to "throw its weight behind" TDF as requested by schestowitz." | Oct 05 10:52 |
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| oiaohm | Ok what is TDF schestowitz | Oct 05 11:10 |
| Quadrescence | http://englishrussia.com/index.php/2010/10/04/kristina-worlds-prettiest-russian-hacker/ | Oct 05 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | but can she hack? | Oct 05 11:13 |
| schestowitz | They show a photo gallery | Oct 05 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Not code samples | Oct 05 11:13 |
| Quadrescence | hahaha | Oct 05 11:13 |
| schestowitz | :-/ | Oct 05 11:13 |
| schestowitz | There's that other one... what's her name? | Oct 05 11:13 |
| schestowitz | From Qubos or something | Oct 05 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Russensomething.. | Oct 05 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Hangs out with Kasper and doing rootkit stuff in Poland | Oct 05 11:14 |
| schestowitz | poison pill at boot time | Oct 05 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Really I am sorry compared to the one google female department lead who is a coder she is not that great. | Oct 05 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Not Merissa, right? | Oct 05 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Meyer/Mayer..? | Oct 05 11:17 |
| oiaohm | http://www.glamour.com/women-of-the-year/2009/marissa-mayer Yep schestowitz. Boy her picture on the wikipedia is a shocker. | Oct 05 11:24 |
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| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marissa_Mayer << There are tones of better pictures of her | Oct 05 11:24 |
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| schestowitz | Depends on thwe age | Oct 05 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Google is 12 | Oct 05 11:25 |
| schestowitz | She's one of the first employees | Oct 05 11:26 |
| schestowitz | And women ages differently | Oct 05 11:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: she's about 35 now | Oct 05 11:26 |
| schestowitz | They used to put an older picture of hers when she was a young CS lady | Oct 05 11:27 |
| oiaohm | That link for 2009 was a 2009 photo of her. schestowitz | Oct 05 11:27 |
| oiaohm | She has very few photos in 2010. Ie wikipedia went for one of the more current but baddy taken out side a event. | Oct 05 11:28 |
| oiaohm | You can see she is squiting over flashes and basically grinning and bearing it. | Oct 05 11:29 |
| oiaohm | Not a state for a nice looking photo. | Oct 05 11:29 |
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| abeNd-org | http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20101004/tc_pcworld/microsoftofficewebappscomingtobpos_1 looks like ms is finally tooling up bpos to compete with google apps (joe's comment at the end is sad "i dont want to learn anymore") | Oct 05 14:50 |
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| oiaohm | abeNd-org: So ms is competing against there own products how cool. | Oct 05 14:51 |
| abeNd-org | bpos is sold to a different customer, those folks are usually "all about the cloud" | Oct 05 15:06 |
| abeNd-org | ms does have pretty good lock-in with public libraries, they almost all use deepfreeze to manage the patron machines & cassie or something like it (patron management system) - none of which support a linux desktop. plus the price that they do pay through techsoup.org is pennies...hard to go linux if what they want to do cant be done | Oct 05 15:11 |
| oiaohm | deepfreese does not exist in vista and windows 7 abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:14 |
| oiaohm | And funny enough MS Office web apps run on Linux machines. | Oct 05 15:17 |
| abeNd-org | deepfreeze by faronics supports vista/win7 | Oct 05 15:21 |
| abeNd-org | is there anything like it in the linux world? | Oct 05 15:22 |
| oiaohm | locking system state against alteration. That is really simple todo in Linux. | Oct 05 15:22 |
| abeNd-org | and none of the patron management systems ive worked with have a linux equiv, and those tie into the ILS which keeps track of computer signon so the patrons dont need help logging in every time (not to mention printing/etc) | Oct 05 15:23 |
| abeNd-org | oia can you unlock all the machines at once in order to do scheduled updates in an automated fashion? | Oct 05 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes. | Oct 05 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Remember Unlike windows same image of Linux can be deployed on everything. | Oct 05 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Think how livecd's work. abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:25 |
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| oiaohm | So you have a master server that makes and update image. Even better the image can be stored server side. | Oct 05 15:26 |
| oiaohm | So client having harddrives is optional. abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:26 |
| abeNd-org | what of patron management? The cassie system i noted before - http://www.librarica.com/features.html | Oct 05 15:26 |
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| oiaohm | There are also many ways to do that as well abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:27 |
| abeNd-org | and cassie ties into the ILS (plenty of commercial ones & one opensource one http://www.open-ils.org/), so unless it can tie into evergreen & the such, then libraries wouldnt consider it | Oct 05 15:28 |
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| oiaohm | There are many internet cafe control software for Linux that do the same features as cassie | Oct 05 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Just its lacking someone to do the intergration back to openils and the like. | Oct 05 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Not impossible. | Oct 05 15:30 |
| schestowitz | "I don't object to criticism, just to distortions and lies. If you tried to be honest you might be more accurate." http://twitter.com/jackschofield/status/26444252190 | Oct 05 15:31 |
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| abeNd-org | getting the folks who run openils to add basic library functionality is like pulling teeth, they wont add anything fancy | Oct 05 15:31 |
| schestowitz | "It was an entirely true and correct observation: ie mine. Anyone with any human understanding would understand that." http://twitter.com/jackschofield/status/26444025557 | Oct 05 15:31 |
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| abeNd-org | and not everyone in the world who wants an option in a software product is a programmer | Oct 05 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Really I have some sad facts about the third party deep frease. Its beatable. abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Having a local harddrive that is bios writable only takes creatively to work out how to get there. abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:32 |
| abeNd-org | oh i know deep freeze is not perfect, but it is better than just giving a patron a plain windows workstation (even if they are not local admin & the machine is running AV). | Oct 05 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Linux system network share read only or hardware write protected ie livecd or physical locker is far better. | Oct 05 15:33 |
| abeNd-org | right, but if it doesnt tie back into the ILS, its useless to the library | Oct 05 15:34 |
| oiaohm | open ils can operate inside the locked down lives. | Oct 05 15:34 |
| oiaohm | The two management systems are independant but workable. | Oct 05 15:34 |
| oiaohm | I have used combination internet cafe software for linux and open ils before in libraries. | Oct 05 15:35 |
| abeNd-org | what patron management system do you use that worked with openils (evergreen)? | Oct 05 15:37 |
| schestowitz | [11:27] <oiaohm> That link for 2009 was a 2009 photo of her. schestowitz | Oct 05 15:38 |
| schestowitz | When you're a hacker you have no face | Oct 05 15:39 |
| schestowitz | It's just your packets that count | Oct 05 15:39 |
| schestowitz | For me too when I write in techrights it doesn't matter what I do or look like, typos would matter a LOT more | Oct 05 15:39 |
| schestowitz | So this whole "hot hacker" thing is turning women into objects in this field | Oct 05 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Could deter some from joining | Oct 05 15:40 |
| abeNd-org | Userful DiscoverStation looks like it supportslinux, but its $5,220/year for 15 workstations, which defeats the purpose of going opensource :P | Oct 05 15:40 |
| oiaohm | http://mkahawa.sourceforge.net/ one I have used for usage management. abeNd-org there are tones of others. abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:44 |
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| oiaohm | All unlimited on numbers of clients supported most OS netural. abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:44 |
| abeNd-org | right right, fine for cybercafe, but did those tie directly into the library ILS? really dont want to create a 2nd user for the same person in another system (already understaffed, want to make things easier for them, not more difficult) | Oct 05 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Currently no. | Oct 05 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Lot of cases where I use it they don't care. | Oct 05 15:46 |
| abeNd-org | all the libraries i work with care deeply | Oct 05 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Techically briding the userdatebases would be possible. | Oct 05 15:47 |
| abeNd-org | they are far too busy to maintain multiple user lists when everything should tie to their library card | Oct 05 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough lot here scan library card and create user when they first pay into the cafe | Oct 05 15:49 |
| oiaohm | And have it set to auto terminate user completely when there money runs out. | Oct 05 15:49 |
| oiaohm | So intergration has not been a big worry to them. | Oct 05 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Both systems take care of themselfs quite well. Also have the advantage of not screwing up just because 1 crashes. | Oct 05 15:50 |
| oiaohm | There is such thing as over intergrating. abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:51 |
| abeNd-org | here the integration is crucial, especially with small town library consortiums where everyone uses the same back end ILS system, patrons can go to any library in the system & sign into a computer or check out a book using a library card from any library in the system. if you took integration away from that, it would be unworkable | Oct 05 15:52 |
| schestowitz | me: "@jackschofield you assume to know everything better than everyone else. If you find an error, please report, no sweeping statements." "@jackschofield One more thing--try being polite" | Oct 05 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Running here is 2 parrell systems abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:53 |
| oiaohm | One with money. One with books. abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:53 |
| abeNd-org | which is what you are used to, but with this case they are used to total integration, anything less would be considered going backwards & pointless | Oct 05 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Also using mkahawa it is possible to have a user on the machine not mkahawa managed. | Oct 05 15:54 |
| oiaohm | with internet and printer access blocked. | Oct 05 15:55 |
| abeNd-org | heh, figures - TechSoup for Libraries is an initiative of TechSoup Global , a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization | Oct 05 15:55 |
| abeNd-org | Funding for TechSoup Global's MaintainIT Project came from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation | Oct 05 15:55 |
| oiaohm | This was not considered going backwards abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:55 |
| oiaohm | By spliting the two systems made failures less harmful. | Oct 05 15:56 |
| oiaohm | At least some functionality remained. | Oct 05 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Remember what I said about over intergration. abeNd-org | Oct 05 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Here had the complete lock stock and barrel keel over and die. | Oct 05 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Nice when a key building takes a direct lighting strike. | Oct 05 15:58 |
| abeNd-org | thats where the verified offsite backup is helpful | Oct 05 15:59 |
| oiaohm | The current setup can run the internet cafe if book tracking is down. Or if the internet cafe money tracking is down run free access for a while. | Oct 05 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Or local billing. | Oct 05 16:00 |
| oiaohm | So backups delayed does not equal dead stop of operations. | Oct 05 16:01 |
| abeNd-org | i guess ill keep looking for future options, for now tax money or grants have paid for the computers & software, when those get outdated ill look back into the pure linux solution & perhaps things will have matured | Oct 05 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Really no one is currently working on intergration between the two. | Oct 05 16:02 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz @aseigo both #koffice and #ooo (and many others) will be at the Brussels #odfplugfest by the way :-) http://bit.ly/9x48UE" http://twitter.com/#!/BartHanssens/status/26441287247 << to clarify , it was in IRC where someone thought kde left out from the list was surprising, then I saw aseigo's comments | Oct 05 16:02 |
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| oiaohm | Since for people like me there is no real need. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:02 |
| abeNd-org | which is why i think most public libraries here see there is no alternative to microsoft & just "go with the flow" | Oct 05 16:03 |
| oiaohm | http://www.zencafe.web.id/ | Oct 05 16:04 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm | Oct 05 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Really bad answer abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:04 |
| oiaohm | There are lot of Linux internet cafe solutions that are solid. | Oct 05 16:04 |
| oiaohm | There are quite resonable book tracking for linux. | Oct 05 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Just that no one has bother to merge them does not mean that you will get more relibality out of Microsoft. | Oct 05 16:05 |
| abeNd-org | if you talk to a librarian they wont accept a solution that does not have 100% functional ILS integration like the windows solution has, sorry to say, but they dont care what OS it runs on, as long as it does what they want | Oct 05 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Problem is I have talked to librarians. | Oct 05 16:06 |
| abeNd-org | yes, but the current solution running on top of the ms OS does what they want, said options they want arent out there in the linux world | Oct 05 16:06 |
| abeNd-org | perhaps the librarians weve worked with are a different breed :) | Oct 05 16:06 |
| MinceR | and as long as they want random crashes, slowness, instability and insecurity, winblows will fulfill their needs :> | Oct 05 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | yay for inertia | Oct 05 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | clueless, self destructive inertia | Oct 05 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | lazy, ignorant inertia | Oct 05 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | and all its permutations | Oct 05 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | hooray! | Oct 05 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Big thing that won them over for me was when they saw my demo system start up. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:07 |
| *FurnaceBoy goes to make coffee | Oct 05 16:07 | |
| MinceR | (forgot other reliability issues, such as turning off the monitor and refusing to turn it on again until you reboot) | Oct 05 16:07 |
| abeNd-org | give me cassie for linux & I am there, & so are the librarians | Oct 05 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Server booted in under 32 seconds to fully operational from cold. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Clients over network firing up in under 20. | Oct 05 16:07 |
| oiaohm | And updates and the rest all done not having to worry about it. | Oct 05 16:08 |
| abeNd-org | that zencafe sure would have been nice to have when i was in s.korea at the hostile there | Oct 05 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Hardest point was the Linux systems missing anti-virus software. | Oct 05 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Until I pointed out when a person leave a terminal it reboots. | Oct 05 16:09 |
| abeNd-org | kaspersky business space is what a lot of them use around here & it has linux support | Oct 05 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | right. | Oct 05 16:09 |
| oiaohm | So any infection of that terminal is killed there an then. | Oct 05 16:09 |
| abeNd-org | yes, but it is running & infecting other machines, possibly even the non-patron machines on the network | Oct 05 16:09 |
| oiaohm | under 20 second reboot time. | Oct 05 16:09 |
| oiaohm | its standard policy for every machine. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Bar the server | Oct 05 16:10 |
| abeNd-org | so you still need local AV in hopes to catch that stuff & stop it in the first place. sure a reboot will fix that local machine, but that virus is now tagging staff computers & people who brought their laptops in | Oct 05 16:10 |
| oiaohm | And the server does scan user files. | Oct 05 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Ie rebooting only leaves one location for the virus to live. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Staff computers don't have storage in them. | Oct 05 16:11 |
| oiaohm | File server is scanning. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:12 |
| abeNd-org | if it spread, especially to staff computers (they need to spend their time working, not rebooting to clear a virus) or laptops brought in by patrons... | Oct 05 16:12 |
| oiaohm | So yes anti-virus only for file servers. | Oct 05 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Really issue here file servers run nothing. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:12 |
| oiaohm | Normal users don't log into them. | Oct 05 16:12 |
| oiaohm | It would have to be a exceptional virus to root kit them. | Oct 05 16:13 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean a 1 in 10 year or longer event. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | i would use disposable environments/ snapshots. malware never gets stored, period... | Oct 05 16:13 |
| oiaohm | Client side anti-virus can be defeated. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:13 |
| oiaohm | My system will not be defeated any of the normal ways abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:14 |
| abeNd-org | ok ok, point taken with the disposable environment. | Oct 05 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Also remember reboot also means any update the server has done to image since the last time they run gets pushed out. | Oct 05 16:16 |
| oiaohm | So its closing down secuirty weaknesses in the clients as well. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:16 |
| abeNd-org | i guess i would just have to see how well this would work in "real life", if patrons could login with their ILS information & printing/etc was still tracked then it would suit the needs of the library | Oct 05 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Really it should be possible to join the user databased of a internet cafe software and the ils if someone puts in the effort. | Oct 05 16:18 |
| abeNd-org | *that* is the sticking point | Oct 05 16:18 |
| abeNd-org | *who* will put in that effort? | Oct 05 16:18 |
| oiaohm | But I really don't have any need to. | Oct 05 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Think about it the system I use works. | Oct 05 16:18 |
| abeNd-org | not me, i am not a programmer, not the librarians as they are not programmers, but it is functionality they have now & would continue to desire for future usage | Oct 05 16:19 |
| oiaohm | So I have no reason to mess with it. No viruses no out of date machines. | Oct 05 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Going to a single login system would mean I would have the case of a single point of failure to bring house down. | Oct 05 16:20 |
| oiaohm | So undermining all my defensive design of the network. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:20 |
| oiaohm | Laptops brought and wireless access are done in a independant system as well abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:20 |
| oiaohm | That just happens to be a Linux internet cafe supporting wireless router. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:21 |
| oiaohm | A pair of them. | Oct 05 16:21 |
| abeNd-org | im not arguing that your system doesnt work, my main thing is the ILS integration, which you said no one is working on, so thats the end of it, as according to the librarians i work with lack of that option that would be a deal breaker (and why they havent seriously considered linux up to this point) | Oct 05 16:22 |
| oiaohm | Per location. | Oct 05 16:22 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: that is part of the issue I was having. | Oct 05 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Once they saw how the system would and does perform they changed there mind. | Oct 05 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Particularly how responsive correctly setup Linux machines are abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Missing out on that little intergration feature was offset by how fast the over all system would respond. | Oct 05 16:24 |
| abeNd-org | and since the microsoft office webapps seem to work on linux, people cant complain that they arent able to open their files on linux :) | Oct 05 16:24 |
| oiaohm | openoffice was on the clients and I was lucky the libraries here could not afford MS Office for the internet cafe area. | Oct 05 16:25 |
| oiaohm | Turns out if you read the fine print cheep version could not be used for machines used to make profit. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:25 |
| oiaohm | From paying users. | Oct 05 16:26 |
| abeNd-org | with techsoup it is $15/each std, pro $24 | Oct 05 16:26 |
| oiaohm | charitable classification? | Oct 05 16:26 |
| abeNd-org | im not sure if techsoup.org offers its notforprofit deals outside the US | Oct 05 16:26 |
| oiaohm | Read closer. | Oct 05 16:27 |
| abeNd-org | yea, any 501c3 or library | Oct 05 16:27 |
| oiaohm | We have our own equal here. | Oct 05 16:27 |
| oiaohm | donatech. | Oct 05 16:27 |
| oiaohm | The fine print was nasty. You could run and charage classes on it. | Oct 05 16:27 |
| oiaohm | But you could not run a internet cafe with it on or be selling internet access. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:27 |
| abeNd-org | right, that wouldnt be considered a not-for-profit here | Oct 05 16:28 |
| oiaohm | That is the catch here. | Oct 05 16:28 |
| abeNd-org | most public libraries offer all their services for free, other than overdue books & charge you for printing/faxing | Oct 05 16:28 |
| oiaohm | Here wants to be able to charage for internet usage time. | Oct 05 16:29 |
| oiaohm | As well as printing. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:29 |
| oiaohm | So the MS stuff was basically no go. | Oct 05 16:29 |
| oiaohm | In the internet access section. | Oct 05 16:30 |
| abeNd-org | im sure if techsoup didnt offer nearly free software to public libraries our stories would be far more similar | Oct 05 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Software here is also nearly free. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Speed of windows is against it. | Oct 05 16:32 |
| oiaohm | And limitations on what you can charge on was also against it. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:32 |
| abeNd-org | support is also the other issue | Oct 05 16:33 |
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| abeNd-org | if *I* go away, the libarians would be SOL since most likely most other techs wouldnt know the system, even if i documented it well | Oct 05 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Its not like MS gives great support. | Oct 05 16:33 |
| abeNd-org | they would just rip it out & replace it with MS | Oct 05 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Redhat support contract. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:34 |
| abeNd-org | yes, but you cant throw a stone without hitting someone who "knows" ms products, 95% of them are scared to touch linux | Oct 05 16:34 |
| abeNd-org | so it would just be rip & replace | Oct 05 16:34 |
| oiaohm | Bad arguement. | Oct 05 16:35 |
| abeNd-org | oh yes, i fully agree | Oct 05 16:35 |
| oiaohm | One library in the set did trying rip and replace. | Oct 05 16:35 |
| oiaohm | They have returned to the Linux system. | Oct 05 16:35 |
| abeNd-org | however bad judgment reigns supreme :) | Oct 05 16:35 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Oct 05 16:36 |
| oiaohm | Tech almost got linghed. | Oct 05 16:36 |
| oiaohm | end up paying for a redhat training to bring his MS ass up to speed. | Oct 05 16:36 |
| abeNd-org | ive seen some school districts clean house of their tech staff after they tried going linux | Oct 05 16:37 |
| abeNd-org | & go back to ms | Oct 05 16:37 |
| oiaohm | Most is because it was done wrong. | Oct 05 16:37 |
| abeNd-org | so financially, there is a big deterrent go going linux | Oct 05 16:37 |
| oiaohm | And the tech staff were idiots. | Oct 05 16:37 |
| oiaohm | rip and replace never ever works. | Oct 05 16:37 |
| oiaohm | with Linux or windows. | Oct 05 16:37 |
| abeNd-org | even if it was done right, there are so many opponents to linux & ms-proponents that it was doomed to fail anyways | Oct 05 16:38 |
| oiaohm | abeNd-org: again no. | Oct 05 16:38 |
| oiaohm | done wrong you run into opponents. | Oct 05 16:38 |
| oiaohm | Done right you don't even seen them. | Oct 05 16:38 |
| oiaohm | Key is speed. | Oct 05 16:39 |
| oiaohm | A Linux conversion from windows takes 3 to 4 years. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:39 |
| oiaohm | area by area. | Oct 05 16:39 |
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| oiaohm | Reverse also takes as long when the system is fully in place. | Oct 05 16:40 |
| abeNd-org | ohhh yes, i also work as a consultant, and i have seen plenty of bleed-blue microsoft supporting C-level executives that have completely fired IT people/groups for even using lotus notes/novell groupwise/open exchange instead of using microsoft exchange | Oct 05 16:40 |
| abeNd-org | its golf course IT decisions, which is why the iPhone got so popular...not that anyone actually gets any real work done with it (http://www.gwava.com/nc/news/press-releases/press-release/article/what-phone-should-your-employees-use-2122.html) but it is hip & cool, thus all executives & people full of themselves want to be seen with one | Oct 05 16:42 |
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| oiaohm | None of them you listed have any major selling features over exchange. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:42 |
| abeNd-org | even though the thing didnt even support exchange email for a good long while | Oct 05 16:42 |
| oiaohm | There are others I have got up in business due to them being able to provide extra reduncancy. | Oct 05 16:43 |
| oiaohm | Remember I design secure networks with data intergrity and the like in mind. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:43 |
| oiaohm | I don't look at Linux as cost cutting. I am looking at it as problem prevention. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:44 |
| oiaohm | So I am able to document quite effective counter defense. | Oct 05 16:44 |
| oiaohm | I am not past using windows terminal services with linux providing remote desktop for some applications either in businesses where it suits or having a limtied number of windows machines for particular tasks. | Oct 05 16:45 |
| abeNd-org | perhaps .au execs are willing to spend the money on something that works, stateside execs (who are the ones who decide the money, not IT people) only want what is cool, & what is cool to them is iPhones & exchange, and to get rid of anyone who doesnt have the same mindset. security is not their problem or concern, thats why they have IT people they can fire for virus outbreaks | Oct 05 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Also I don't spend more. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:46 |
| oiaohm | iphones intergrate quite well with the replacements to exchange I use. | Oct 05 16:46 |
| abeNd-org | costs dont matter, you mention iphones & exchange & wallets open up, its freaking scary | Oct 05 16:46 |
| oiaohm | I normally use side ways replications on mail servers. | Oct 05 16:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie 1 mail server fails another at another location collects the mail and no one notices it missing. | Oct 05 16:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | abeNd-org: yeah that sounds accurate. :) | Oct 05 16:47 |
| oiaohm | I like exchange abeNd-org for me. | Oct 05 16:47 |
| oiaohm | I can depend on the bugger failing and losing large amounts of there emails. | Oct 05 16:47 |
| oiaohm | So getting my foot in the door from doing data recovery on it. | Oct 05 16:48 |
| oiaohm | Yes I am the IT equal to ambulance chaser. | Oct 05 16:48 |
| schestowitz | [What do you call an exchange n00b? AN exchange student.] | Oct 05 16:48 |
| abeNd-org | oiao I am a consultant as well, i consider it "network janitorial work" | Oct 05 16:48 |
| oiaohm | I have many demo systems that I can display there windows plans. | Oct 05 16:49 |
| oiaohm | And my plans | Oct 05 16:49 |
| oiaohm | Nice having a 20 machine lab at my disposal for demos. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:50 |
| abeNd-org | not a fat VM system? | Oct 05 16:51 |
| oiaohm | I guess you are not setup like that abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:51 |
| oiaohm | I mean a real room 20 + real machines. | Oct 05 16:51 |
| abeNd-org | i dont have the physical boxes, just the fat VM system | Oct 05 16:51 |
| oiaohm | That I can do what ever I need to in front of client. | Oct 05 16:52 |
| oiaohm | To demo the weakness in there plans. and to let them attempt to pull my plans apart. | Oct 05 16:52 |
| oiaohm | Its funny watching some of the smart ass MS people find them selfs in a scary location. | Oct 05 16:52 |
| oiaohm | Where its put up now on this demo network. | Oct 05 16:52 |
| oiaohm | A fat vm system does not have the means to have the people sit at the new setup and tell you want is wrong. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:54 |
| oiaohm | Note the consoltants in my area share the lab. abeNd-org | Oct 05 16:55 |
| oiaohm | The lab means in my area most MS people see Linux systems and don't rip out walk away. Because they know the bosses here will expect before deployment demos. | Oct 05 17:00 |
| abeNd-org | here "no one has the time" for anything like that (because they are too busy playing with ifart apps on their iphones) | Oct 05 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Mind you the lab does turn a profit in its own right. abeNd-org | Oct 05 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Its side use is lan gaming venue. abeNd-org | Oct 05 17:02 |
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| abeNd-org | nice | Oct 05 17:02 |
| abeNd-org | ive seen some places like that around here, usually just pure lan gaming, but they usually go out of business, even in the college towns | Oct 05 17:03 |
| oiaohm | They usually go out of business because maintaince of the hardware is not done. | Oct 05 17:04 |
| oiaohm | Or costs too much abeNd-org | Oct 05 17:04 |
| abeNd-org | or they were run by lazy college students. same thing with coffee houses around here | Oct 05 17:05 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Oct 05 17:05 |
| oiaohm | The consultants brings rules and maintainer ship to the lan gaming system. | Oct 05 17:05 |
| abeNd-org | that is a big help | Oct 05 17:06 |
| oiaohm | The lan gamers bring cuts of tordorment wins. | Oct 05 17:06 |
| oiaohm | And ongoing member ship fees. | Oct 05 17:06 |
| abeNd-org | guessing you have to do windows for some games, since the likes of halo & such that seem to be so popular are only on windows (or xbox) | Oct 05 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Oct 05 17:06 |
| abeNd-org | bootable usbkey for that? | Oct 05 17:07 |
| oiaohm | And windows servers for some games. | Oct 05 17:07 |
| oiaohm | That network has stacks of drives different combinations. | Oct 05 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Its a demo space so yes it gets beaten up abeNd-org | Oct 05 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Gamers and us the hardware has a hard life. | Oct 05 17:08 |
| abeNd-org | i was thinking of doing some lan gaming at one library that has 7 new amd64/4gb machines (newly donated) | Oct 05 17:08 |
| abeNd-org | not like i have the time to make that a reality on my own :) | Oct 05 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Strict rule no food or drinks anywhere on the machines. | Oct 05 17:08 |
| abeNd-org | and a "you must shower the morning of" rule too? | Oct 05 17:09 |
| oiaohm | We have a 2 meter food and drink exculsion zone. | Oct 05 17:09 |
| oiaohm | No in building shower cold water only. abeNd-org | Oct 05 17:09 |
| oiaohm | You turn up stinking you will be going in if you like it or not. | Oct 05 17:09 |
| abeNd-org | heh, that is one nasty computer-person stereotype that is too true | Oct 05 17:10 |
| abeNd-org | heh, that sounds like a scene out of a prison movie... | Oct 05 17:10 |
| oiaohm | So far no one of the consultants has had todo it yet. | Oct 05 17:10 |
| oiaohm | The hot water system busted 8 years ago. abeNd-org | Oct 05 17:10 |
| oiaohm | So far no one has paid for it to be replaced. | Oct 05 17:11 |
| abeNd-org | i wish i had some other like minded folks around, but I live out in BFE, where it seems im one of the few | Oct 05 17:12 |
| oiaohm | It took us a while to get all joined up here. | Oct 05 17:13 |
| oiaohm | I am of to beed | Oct 05 17:13 |
| abeNd-org | ive tried dealing with the "local" user groups, but those are usually 50+ miles away & in traffic that could be over 90 minutes | Oct 05 17:13 |
| oiaohm | bed | Oct 05 17:13 |
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| abeNd-org | thanks for all the info, ill look into those | Oct 05 17:14 |
| abeNd-org | oops, hes gone | Oct 05 17:14 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 05 17:54 |
| schestowitz | He always leaves without prior warning. Always. | Oct 05 17:54 |
| schestowitz | If it were in real life, he's be like one old teacher of mine who would just flee the classroom without properly closing | Oct 05 17:55 |
| schestowitz | You can be in a middle of the discussion and as you talk *swoosh* he's done | Oct 05 17:55 |
| schestowitz | *gonew | Oct 05 17:55 |
| MinceR | http://saintgasoline.com/comics/2007-07-09-Wheel_Of_Misfortune.JPG | Oct 05 18:03 |
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| MinceR | http://www.fukung.net/v/16784/3915f70c017a86b717c77697db41cc75.jpg | Oct 05 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: :-> | Oct 05 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I love those images you post here | Oct 05 18:23 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 05 18:26 |
| MinceR | http://thechive.com/2010/10/05/some-strange-dude-emailed-us-tonight-and-i-couldnt-help-myself-1-email-exchange/ | Oct 05 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Did you find this in the Microsoft-sponsored Reddit? | Oct 05 18:37 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 05 18:39 |
| MinceR | i've found it on an irc channel | Oct 05 18:39 |
| MinceR | have you seen m$ ads on reddit? | Oct 05 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Just MSIE | Oct 05 18:42 |
| schestowitz | "First they killed all the [x]...." | Oct 05 18:43 |
| MinceR | just the one "news" post? | Oct 05 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I reckon with all the MSIE fawning some Microsoft ISV thought, "hey, this reedit thing is OK, let's join" | Oct 05 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Reddit can be seen less as a friend of FOSS now | Oct 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Digg/Rose (its idol) are seen as MAC MAC all the way | Oct 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | People choose social networks based on that | Oct 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | This is why I read /. and now Neowin | Oct 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Entryism effect.... more Microsoft apologists there->Linux folks get pissed off and leave->more Microsoft sympathy left -> more Windows ISVs joining | Oct 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Reddit made the first wrong step | Oct 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Like Digg signing MS deadl | Oct 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Like Digg signing MS deal | Oct 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Many Linux/UNIX folks left in protest | Oct 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Why contribute voluntarily to a Microsoft feeder? | Oct 05 18:46 |
| MinceR | what's with neowin? wikipedia says they're focused on winblows | Oct 05 18:46 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | I did a post about it | Oct 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | openbytes did too | Oct 05 18:47 |
| abeNd-org | well they do have "win" in the name... | Oct 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | NewLin :-) | Oct 05 18:48 |
| abeNd-org | doesnt ms even own part of linked-in? | Oct 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Nope AFAIK | Oct 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Just FB | Oct 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | 5% IIRC | Oct 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | So that Google can't buy FB | Oct 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Says Enderle Troll | Oct 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | And he may know cause he works with Redmond | Oct 05 18:49 |
| abeNd-org | oh it was newscorp who was looking to buy linked in awhile back | Oct 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz | they killed myspace | Oct 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | let them buy FB | Oct 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I want that killed :-) | Oct 05 19:27 |
| schestowitz | linkedin I actually use, so I hope they leave that alone | Oct 05 19:27 |
| abeNd-org | heh, myspace died on its own accord | Oct 05 19:51 |
| abeNd-org | as soon as FB opened up to non-students everyone migrated | Oct 05 19:52 |
| abeNd-org | myspace is the run down corner of the internet that even the slumlords have abandoned | Oct 05 19:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.liveh8.de/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/FINDEDIEFRAU.JPG | Oct 05 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | abeNd-org: Heh | Oct 05 19:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | /. also runs MS ads... | Oct 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | FOr many years | Oct 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Reddit is different | Oct 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Assuming that is the ocontext within which you bring it up | Oct 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | See my posts about what Reddit did (I wrote twie) | Oct 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | *twice too :-) | Oct 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/09/28/reddit-sponsored-by-microsoft/ | Oct 05 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | That's the second, the first is this (Shorter) | Oct 05 20:03 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/09/17/internet-explorer-9-bad-news/ | Oct 05 20:03 |
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| abeNd-org | heh, i had to run yahoo ads since google bounced me for "fraud" on my site, now yahoo is dead...i havent bothered looking elsewhere to generate revenue | Oct 05 20:12 |
| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://facepalm.freeblog.hu/archives/2010/10/05/the_sound_of_science/ | Oct 05 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: : http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/29/canada-brothel-ban-sex-workers | Oct 05 20:33 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Sex workers celebrate as Canada court lifts ban on brothels | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 70.05 KB | Oct 05 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Relates to what we talked about the other day... | Oct 05 20:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR:"but science is just a religion" :-) | Oct 05 20:35 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/education-ministry-bans-textbook-that-offers-palestinian-narrative-1.315838 | Oct 05 20:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/former-pm-laisenia-qarases-plea-failed-to-save-fijian-josefa-rauluni/story-fn59niix-1225927574891 | Oct 05 20:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Former PM Laisenia Qarase's plea failed to save Fijian Josefa Rauluni | The Australian .::. Size~: 57.59 KB | Oct 05 20:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/27/fbi_raids_homes_of_anti_war | Oct 05 20:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/sep/30/iraq-war-inquiry | Oct 05 20:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Blair's case for Iraq invasion was self-serving, lawyers tell Chilcot inquiry | UK news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 84.58 KB | Oct 05 20:51 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :| | Oct 05 21:30 |
| schestowitz | I know, I know... just FYI | Oct 05 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Like Texas schools post 2010 | Oct 05 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | Feh | Oct 05 21:47 |
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