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| schestowitz | MinceR: [21:04] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [toros/@toros] CNN: 4 dead after toxic mud floods villages in #Hungary http://goo.gl/z8yn These are sad days for Hungary... :( | Oct 06 00:02 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "Nobody could have predicted these huge holding dams of toxic waste could burst" | Oct 06 00:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: stand by, Florida is due for a similar accident | Oct 06 00:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: for phosphate waste dams | Oct 06 00:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: can't be far off now | Oct 06 00:54 |
| schestowitz | why FL? | Oct 06 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've read about the history and legacy of their phosphate industry | Oct 06 01:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | there are many toxic waste dumps just ready to burst | Oct 06 01:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | they already had fluoric acid scares in past decades, some involving large scale livestock deaths | Oct 06 01:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | you're probably aware of the toxicology of fluoric acid? :) | Oct 06 01:55 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: i'm aware of it | Oct 06 06:29 |
| schestowitz | ahhh... | Oct 06 06:38 |
| schestowitz | Let me wave hello at a special friend who has had some nice things to say: :-) | Oct 06 06:38 |
| schestowitz | > I've been swamped here with family and other things. Sorry to have been | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | > so scarce these last several months, but I do read techrights every day | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | > and try to keep up with the news. | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | > And, of course I follow you on digg! After all these years it's | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | > tradition! :D | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | > hope all is well with you. i read the IRC logs most days, but probably | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | > won't be back in IRC. | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | > | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | > Take care, and keep up the good work! | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | Hello back! :-) | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | And thanks! | Oct 06 06:39 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 06 06:39 |
| Quadrescence | awww :) | Oct 06 09:34 |
| schestowitz | That's why I run the site at personal cost | Oct 06 10:28 |
| schestowitz | mobbyist: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/26533365425 "Even #boycottboy wants you guys to be more forthcoming now about your Novellization at the hands of Acacia." | Oct 06 10:31 |
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| Quadrescence | schestowitz: One of these days I'm going to want to talk about Mathematica. ;) | Oct 06 14:43 |
| schestowitz | I never used it | Oct 06 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Does it cross-operate w/ other numerical programs of its kind? | Oct 06 15:00 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/54042281#notice-54504147 "Had I a penny for every time I've seen at least one of these, I could finally retire & pay college for my 3 boys & their kids." | Oct 06 15:00 |
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| oiaohm | http://mathomatic.org/math/ I always have to remember not to mix mathematica up with this. Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:00 |
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| Quadrescence | hehe | Oct 06 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Thinking I use mathomatic at times. | Oct 06 15:01 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: Not really | Oct 06 15:01 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: It's an autonomous system that tries to be self-contained in every way. | Oct 06 15:01 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: I was very surprised to learn (by exploring the binaries) that it uses GMP to do bignum calculations. | Oct 06 15:02 |
| oiaohm | http://www.opensourcemath.org/ I really don't have a need for wolframs Mathematica | Oct 06 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Open Source Mathematics .::. Size~: 16.56 KB | Oct 06 15:03 |
| oiaohm | I have enough open source software that can give me the results I need. | Oct 06 15:03 |
| Quadrescence | oiaohm: Boycott Mathematica | Oct 06 15:05 |
| Quadrescence | :) | Oct 06 15:06 |
| oiaohm | They only have one advantage Diophantine equations. Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:08 |
| oiaohm | And nothing I do uses them. | Oct 06 15:08 |
| oiaohm | This is not exactly a Boycott. Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:09 |
| Quadrescence | oiaohm: What isn't? | Oct 06 15:09 |
| Quadrescence | *I* am saying "boycott Mathematica" | Oct 06 15:10 |
| Quadrescence | It sickens me. :) | Oct 06 15:10 |
| oiaohm | There is something else. | Oct 06 15:10 |
| oiaohm | If I am doing criticam maths I want 2 to 3 programs to give me results. | Oct 06 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Perferablely the same results. | Oct 06 15:11 |
| oiaohm | So that application error does not ruin my day. | Oct 06 15:11 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/54046796#notice-54505477 "@schestowitz: Yesterday Marvell gives..... Under Phones/Android SpiderOak brings online file backup and syncing service to Android" | Oct 06 15:13 |
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| oiaohm | Ie the unique feature is a problem Quadrescence that need to be addressed before they can be truly boycotted. Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Quadrescence: promote octave? | Oct 06 15:14 |
| schestowitz | If we boycott mathematica? | Oct 06 15:14 |
| schestowitz | BTW, wasn't it wolfram alpha? | Oct 06 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Which thinks it owns knowledge? | Oct 06 15:14 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: Octave is an alternative to matlab, really. | Oct 06 15:14 |
| schestowitz | And all those other things.. | Oct 06 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Sage Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:14 |
| Quadrescence | Stephen Wolfram thinks he owns knowledge | Oct 06 15:14 |
| Quadrescence | oiaohm: I am aware of open source CASs | Oct 06 15:14 |
| schestowitz | MATLAB and Simulink... | Oct 06 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Sage is the closet source math to mathematica. Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:15 |
| Quadrescence | I know, and it's powered by Maxima and other things. | Oct 06 15:15 |
| oiaohm | I really would like to see another at Sage level open source. | Oct 06 15:15 |
| oiaohm | So I can run my numbers twice simply. | Oct 06 15:16 |
| Quadrescence | I'm designing a CAS. | Oct 06 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Moody, a mathematician with a phd, wrote a lot about those issues with proprietary maths apps | Oct 06 15:16 |
| schestowitz | You can't have other people verify results | Oct 06 15:16 |
| schestowitz | You can't audio the s/w to check the math is done tight | Oct 06 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Its not just that. | Oct 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | *right | Oct 06 15:17 |
| oiaohm | I have had bugs in open source as well. | Oct 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | And you can't access the scientific work down the line | Oct 06 15:17 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: you mean "audit"? | Oct 06 15:17 |
| oiaohm | With circuit simulators. | Oct 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Check it gets results right | Oct 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Excel/Office make maths mistakes | Oct 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | You can't fix them, eithe | Oct 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | You can't fix them, either | Oct 06 15:17 |
| oiaohm | I learnt an expensive leason. | Oct 06 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Run number twice. | Oct 06 15:17 |
| Quadrescence | oiaohm: There will always be bugs in software. But you can fix them or have them public in open source software. :) | Oct 06 15:17 |
| oiaohm | In different programs | Oct 06 15:17 |
| schestowitz | -TRIdentica/#techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Stephen Wolfram thinks he owns knowledge [...] boycott Mathematica" --Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Its rare for two independant open source programs to have a bug exactly in the same spot. Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Detecting the bug is critical to preventing screwups. Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:18 |
| Quadrescence | I agree | Oct 06 15:18 |
| oiaohm | My last on was 15 000 dollars down the drain. | Oct 06 15:19 |
| oiaohm | on/one | Oct 06 15:19 |
| Quadrescence | :{ | Oct 06 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes I learnt the hard way. | Oct 06 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Really there would be a place for a compartive running engine. | Oct 06 15:20 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: http://symbo1ics.com/blog/?p=69 | Oct 06 15:20 |
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| Quadrescence | scroll to the bottom where it says "For those interested in more information related to Mathematica or Stephen Wolfram or his other projects, be sure to check out these links:" | Oct 06 15:20 |
| Quadrescence | "Wolfram taking legal action for the announcement and description of a mathematical proof: a note." | Oct 06 15:20 |
| Quadrescence | ;) | Oct 06 15:20 |
| schestowitz | -TRIdentica/#techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mathematica & #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/1zl5t "Wolfram taking legal action for the announcement and description of a mathematical proof" | Oct 06 15:24 |
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| schestowitz | will reach a couple thousand followers | Oct 06 15:24 |
| Quadrescence | I am really appalled with Mathematica. [You'll probably find me ranting in here a lot about it.] | Oct 06 15:31 |
| Quadrescence | They claim to have the best numerics, but they just use an open source library to do it. | Oct 06 15:32 |
| Quadrescence | With no credit to the library whatsoever. | Oct 06 15:32 |
| oiaohm | What is the library | Oct 06 15:33 |
| oiaohm | As I said I don't use Mathematica | Oct 06 15:33 |
| Quadrescence | GMP | Oct 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Quadrescence: let's expose them then | Oct 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | If it's true what I heard | Oct 06 15:35 |
| schestowitz | About their ToS in search | Oct 06 15:36 |
| schestowitz | They sound like control freaks | Oct 06 15:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: well, credit or no credit, that's a relatively small issue | Oct 06 15:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: how did you even find out it used gmp; they are very secretive | Oct 06 15:36 |
| Quadrescence | FurnaceBoy: Yeah | Oct 06 15:36 |
| schestowitz | if you feed me links, I can help pressure them | Oct 06 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Interesting question is what they doing legal. Quadrescence GMP is LGPL | Oct 06 15:37 |
| oiaohm | I would not put it past Wolfram to be illegal. Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence | Stephen Wolfram thinks he owns knowledge <--- a very familiar kind of megalomania. the question is to what extent is it a genuine personal delusion and to what extent sheer greed, as in a deliberately engineered monopoly underwritten by lockin | Oct 06 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | we can compare to other individuals who've achieved monopolies. all of them sociopaths, more or less. | Oct 06 15:40 |
| Quadrescence | FurnaceBoy: http://codepad.org/Oa6OI6cm | Oct 06 15:40 |
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| Quadrescence | item 1 | Oct 06 15:40 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: might be worth doing a bit of digging. it would be good publicity for gmp if everybody found out it replaced the touted 'giganumerics' | Oct 06 15:41 |
| Quadrescence | I was planning a blog post about it | Oct 06 15:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | have you found any public statements from wolfram, or mentions in their documentation/books? | Oct 06 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | it may not even be the central engine... | Oct 06 15:43 |
| Quadrescence | I believe so | Oct 06 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Quadrescence: mesa is also LGPL | Oct 06 15:44 |
| *Quadrescence looks | Oct 06 15:45 | |
| oiaohm | Does wolfram provide a source code bundle? | Oct 06 15:45 |
| oiaohm | If not should attempt requesting one. | Oct 06 15:45 |
| Quadrescence | They provide http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/thirdpartylicenses/gmp.html | Oct 06 15:45 |
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| oiaohm | Techically breach of GPL. | Oct 06 15:46 |
| Quadrescence | They do NOT package it w/the binaries | Oct 06 15:46 |
| oiaohm | I guess they built the binaries themselves. | Oct 06 15:46 |
| Quadrescence | http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/note/SomeNotesOnInternalImplementation.html | Oct 06 15:46 |
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| Quadrescence | Basic Arithmetic, item #2 | Oct 06 15:46 |
| Quadrescence | FurnaceBoy: ^ | Oct 06 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Thus, for example, the notes simply say that DSolve solves second-order linear differential equations using the Kovacic algorithm. But the internal code which achieves this is over 60 pages long, includes a number of other algorithms, and involves a great many subtleties. | Oct 06 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | this makes me so angry | Oct 06 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | THIS Is why only source disclosure is valid | Oct 06 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | they make your case for you, Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | WE, peons, are NEVER supposed to know any of these 'subtleties' or 'other algorithms' | Oct 06 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | SECRET SAUCE | Oct 06 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | BULLSHIT! There is no SECRET SCIENCE! | Oct 06 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is disinheriting people | Oct 06 15:49 |
| Quadrescence | Everything is very, very vague on that page. | Oct 06 15:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is worse than microsoft, even | Oct 06 15:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | at least it's hard to claim microsoft is concealing anything useful | Oct 06 15:50 |
| Quadrescence | Most of what they say is almost obvious to a mathematician. | Oct 06 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Wolfram is bing. FurnaceBoy | Oct 06 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: in a nutshell they are taking PUBLIC work PUBLISHED work and repackaging it for money. | Oct 06 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | They should be hanged. | Oct 06 15:51 |
| Quadrescence | FurnaceBoy: correct | Oct 06 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Basically a sub company. FurnaceBoy | Oct 06 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I didn't knwo that. | Oct 06 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: there's a blog post in that too... :-X | Oct 06 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: so they are violating the very same natural and ethical laws of scientific tradition in the name of greed. | Oct 06 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: Wolfram is, to use a crude metaphor, waging a war on science. which is a war on you and me, and civilisation. | Oct 06 15:52 |
| Quadrescence | " * The algorithms in Mathematica cover all of the indefinite integrals in standard reference books such as Gradshteyn-Ryzhik." | Oct 06 15:52 |
| Quadrescence | This makes me mad | Oct 06 15:52 |
| Quadrescence | They took the works of this book and literally hard-coded the results in mathematica | Oct 06 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Quadrescence: http://identi.ca/notice/54512627 | Oct 06 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: the compiler of that book works for them. | Oct 06 15:53 |
| oiaohm | http://www.zdnet.com/news/bing-wolfram-alpha-agree-on-licensing-deal/333870 The deal 2009. FurnaceBoy | Oct 06 15:53 |
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| Quadrescence | (btw, that book is a thick reference which has about 1000000 integrals) | Oct 06 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: he was hired decades ago by WRI | Oct 06 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: he gave a presentatin/speech at wolfram's birthday (?) 60th? | Oct 06 15:53 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: :) :) | Oct 06 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: it will drive you nuts if you find the transcript | Oct 06 15:53 |
| schestowitz | It's spreading right now, Quadrescence | Oct 06 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: the real problem is... | Oct 06 15:54 |
| *schestowitz doesn't know Steven beyond the pics | Oct 06 15:54 | |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: the guy who compiled that book.. copied all of it into Mma, yes.. but ENHANCED it.. so that there is more behind the secret paywall than there ever will be in public | Oct 06 15:55 |
| Quadrescence | FurnaceBoy: Surely | Oct 06 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: they even brag about it in the birthday speech | Oct 06 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: hang around this channel long enough you learn everybody has a price | Oct 06 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: i don't see that anything other than a boycott can work | Oct 06 15:56 |
| Quadrescence | But I know in particular, at least ONE integral from that book is copied verbatim with no proof. Why? Because I did research on a particular integral, looked for days and days, couldn't find anything, so I decided to prove it myself as a part of this unfinished unpublished paper: http://symbo1ics.com/files/pi_formula3.pdf | Oct 06 15:58 |
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| Quadrescence | section 2 contains most of the proof | Oct 06 15:59 |
| *FurnaceBoy caffeinates | Oct 06 16:02 | |
| Quadrescence | FurnaceBoy: surely you are caffeinating to read section 2 | Oct 06 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: surely not | Oct 06 16:07 |
| Quadrescence | ._. | Oct 06 16:07 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: Actually what I originally wanted to talk about was the legality of software clones. | Oct 06 16:17 |
| Quadrescence | Assuming purely "clean-room" methods are used, is it legal to make a replica of, say, Mathematica, provided trademarks/etc are avoided? | Oct 06 16:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | the problem is you can't avoid patent trolling | Oct 06 16:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | the system is broken | Oct 06 16:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | sw patents are supposed to protect the rich incumbents from competition | Oct 06 16:19 |
| Quadrescence | I am quite uninformed on the whole deal of "software patents". | Oct 06 16:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | a good primer is Microsoft / i4i case | Oct 06 16:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | lemme find you a link... | Oct 06 16:22 |
| schestowitz | [16:06] <Quadrescence> FurnaceBoy: surely you are caffeinating to read section 2 | Oct 06 16:23 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Oct 06 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Had lots of coffee myself recently | Oct 06 16:23 |
| schestowitz | 3-4 hours of sleep per day the past week.. | Oct 06 16:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: it's hard to find a good link about i4i on Groklaw, but they have a wealth of stuff on patents., try skimming this | Oct 06 16:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | 10:52:59 FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: they even brag about it in the birthday speech │ | Oct 06 16:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | ugh | Oct 06 16:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | bad paste | Oct 06 16:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | this Quadrescence : | Oct 06 16:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | 10:52:59 FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: they even brag about it in the birthday speech │ | Oct 06 16:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | this Quadrescence : http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101001012258574 | Oct 06 16:26 |
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| *FurnaceBoy contemplates giving up this morning | Oct 06 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/54062555#notice-54520691 "@schestowitz I don't see how anyone being found guilty of patent violations is a fun thing. Patents suck for anyone, just get rid of it" | Oct 06 16:56 |
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| schestowitz | It's worth clarifying that Apple is pro-software patents. The hope is that it'll be trolled so much that its position will change. | Oct 06 16:57 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/54066384#notice-54524865 "Absolutely :-) I was being a bit pedantic, I guess. Remember that Google's CEO came from Sun too" | Oct 06 17:37 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/09/24/facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-announces-startupeducation | Oct 06 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | aw... isn't that adorable? | Oct 06 18:30 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.google.org/ | Oct 06 18:30 |
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| MinceR | teaching the dumb fucks of tomorrow? :> | Oct 06 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Technology-Driven Philanthropy | Oct 06 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Buy out technology so that we can do some Phil's atrophy | Oct 06 18:31 |
| *FurnaceBoy wonders if Fuckerberg smells as bad as Zoidberg | Oct 06 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | For PR | Oct 06 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Zoidberg is cute | Oct 06 18:31 |
| schestowitz | At least he's funny too | Oct 06 18:31 |
| schestowitz | ANd the octopus has fantastic eyesight | Oct 06 18:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: all true, but he also smells bad | Oct 06 18:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in fact I started thinking about the Fuckerberg/Zoidberg nexus when i heard Fuckerberg had a cameo on the simpsons | Oct 06 18:32 |
| *schestowitz dents it | Oct 06 18:34 | |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: and comic | Oct 06 18:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11424999 | Oct 06 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | Ammerican hero | Oct 06 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Superman, Batman, dumb fuckenberg | Oct 06 18:35 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 06 18:36 |
| MinceR | he achieved the New American Dream | Oct 06 18:36 |
| MinceR | all bow before him :> | Oct 06 18:36 |
| MinceR | (treading over the masses of the Dumb Fucks(tm), exploiting them to gather the Almighty Money) | Oct 06 18:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/09/28/google-named-worlds-most-attractive-employer?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+WebpronewsTopNewsRssFeed+%28Top+News+Items+-+WebProNews%29 | Oct 06 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | data hoarders | Oct 06 18:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: more mythologising. | Oct 06 19:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you can't buy that kind of pre-emptive historical truthiness | Oct 06 19:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, you can, actually. :D | Oct 06 19:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://twitter.com/Symbolman/status/26572708867 | Oct 06 19:03 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: | Oct 06 19:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Wolfram says he wants to revive an older tradition in which people pursue science as a personal calling, whether or not they are the beneficiaries of public patronage. Too many scientists today, he says, give up their research simply because they can't get the public to pay for it. Indeed, one of the attractions of computational research, he says, is that it requires nothing more | Oct 06 19:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | expensive than a personal computer. | Oct 06 19:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | "I don't have to beg the government," he says. "I don't have to convince anyone at the National Science Foundation that what I am doing is not as nutty as they might assume or as the peer review system might say it is." | Oct 06 19:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | No public funding, however, means no real obligation to communicate his findings, and no need to submit himself to peer review. "It may sound arrogant, but I have moved pretty far away from what most scientists know about," Wolfram maintains. "That means there are fewer and fewer people I can talk to about what I am doing. Your typical top scientist does not know this stuff. | Oct 06 19:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | "I am my own reality check," he concludes. | Oct 06 19:07 |
| MinceR | from which follows that he should after all submit himself to peer review | Oct 06 19:08 |
| MinceR | so that he can talk to more people about what he's doing. | Oct 06 19:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's defining 'crackpot' | Oct 06 19:09 |
| MinceR | well, that's the other option. :> | Oct 06 19:09 |
| schestowitz | :-> | Oct 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR has a one-angles mouth | Oct 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Or RMS-like beard | Oct 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | *one/two--angled | Oct 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | jono used to have one | Oct 06 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Then he got married and all | Oct 06 19:29 |
| MinceR | neither | Oct 06 19:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1735763/microsofts-wallet-firmly-closed?WT.rss_f=News&WT.rss_a=Microsoft%27s+wallet+has+been+firmly+closed | Oct 06 19:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Microsoft's wallet has been firmly closed - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 53.26 KB | Oct 06 19:35 |
| schestowitz | "Regarding your article on transparency, @schestowitz, recall this disclosure from a few years ago: http://bit.ly/9g2HVs " http://twitter.com/Pandersonpllc/status/26567831691 | Oct 06 19:55 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Red Hat News | A Readers Guide to the Firestar Settlement .::. Size~: 40.37 KB | Oct 06 19:55 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Patrick Anderson: Regarding your article on ... .::. Size~: 9.55 KB | Oct 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | "In the agreement, we obtained coverage not only for Red Hat, but also for upstream and downstream members of the community" | Oct 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | It says "also for upstream and downstream members of the community.."; why no statement this time around? | Oct 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/01/assange_speech/ | Oct 06 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Pentagon out to 'destroy' Wikileaks, founder says • The Register .::. Size~: 26.53 KB | Oct 06 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I tend to believe him | Oct 06 20:07 |
| schestowitz | THe media machine is FAR bigger | Oct 06 20:07 |
| schestowitz | They can outweigh them with smears | Oct 06 20:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's working, too | Oct 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | And turn the public against them using SHEER SPIN | Oct 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Like turning Wikipedia against them too | Oct 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Wales remarks | Oct 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Cause he watched TV | Oct 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | And guess what they tell him | Oct 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | "blood in his hands", rape, other spin | Oct 06 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Noseless Afghan | Oct 06 20:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | ugh. celebrity worship: http://ff.im/rD76r | Oct 06 20:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: RT @Zee: Hi Zuck. - Richard - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 6.35 KB | Oct 06 20:09 |
| schestowitz | "Please help me, Jimbo" | Oct 06 20:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | "To some, he's the billionaire philanthropist who will save AMerican's education. But to his buddies, he's just 'Zuck.'" | Oct 06 20:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 06 20:10 |
| schestowitz | WOT? | Oct 06 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Link? | Oct 06 20:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | i made that up. | Oct 06 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Oct 06 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Flame bait | Oct 06 20:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's worse out there. | Oct 06 20:10 |
| MinceR | nah, just typical "journalism" of the era :> | Oct 06 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Zuck eats cereal for breakfast | Oct 06 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Just like any other kids his age!! | Oct 06 20:11 |
| MinceR | better send him to Soviet Russia | Oct 06 20:11 |
| MinceR | and feed him to cereal | Oct 06 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Tell us, Zuck, what is the most romantic place in the world? | Oct 06 20:11 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Oct 06 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Zuck is already reserved to mobbyist Jonathan Auck | Oct 06 20:11 |
| MinceR | it Zucks to have that level of name overloading | Oct 06 20:12 |
| schestowitz | So let's not allow Zuck to hide himself deeper in Google by association | Oct 06 20:12 |
| schestowitz | he has been exposed | Oct 06 20:12 |
| MinceR | kinky | Oct 06 20:12 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: In Soviet Russia, corn crunches you! | Oct 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Like in kid's horror film | Oct 06 20:13 |
| schestowitz | mmwhahaha om nom nom | Oct 06 20:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 06 20:14 |
| MinceR | "They're eating her... then they're gonna eat me... OOOHHH MYYY GOOOOOODDD!!!!" | Oct 06 20:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Oct 06 20:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/01/samsung_symbian/ | Oct 06 20:17 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Samsung shuts out Symbian • The Register .::. Size~: 24.24 KB | Oct 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Them too? | Oct 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Not just Sony? | Oct 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Oct 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Any funny alter.names for Sony? | Oct 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, user kickbans freenode.ru | Oct 06 20:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.com/2010/09/27/sharp_galapagos/ Sharp outs little'n'large e-mag tablets | Oct 06 20:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Sharp outs little'n'large e-mag tablets • reghardware .::. Size~: 20.16 KB | Oct 06 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Japan markets gadgets like the West markets cars | Oct 06 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Lineup of girls | Oct 06 20:25 |
| *MinceR misses the Sharp Zaurus | Oct 06 20:28 | |
| schestowitz | Sony scum. http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/Zx-OBikpmyU/story01.htm | Oct 06 20:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Google FeedBurner .::. Size~: 11.47 KB | Oct 06 20:30 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you have one? | Oct 06 20:30 |
| schestowitz | They have some Ubuntu-based similar new gadget | Oct 06 20:30 |
| schestowitz | but on in .jp | Oct 06 20:31 |
| MinceR | there's the PC-Z1 Netwalker | Oct 06 20:31 |
| MinceR | but it's too damn big for pockets | Oct 06 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11426013 | Oct 06 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: BBC News - Talking Movies: A Facebook story .::. Size~: 51.76 KB | Oct 06 20:35 |
| schestowitz | 'Click my belly button to add me as a "friend"' | Oct 06 20:36 |
| schestowitz | "500 "friends" for sale." | Oct 06 20:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: unless you're a roo (.ru) | Oct 06 20:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/04/texas_smut/ | Oct 06 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Texan smut baron spanked over UK schoolgirl snap • The Register .::. Size~: 26.8 KB | Oct 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1740428/texas-memory-10tb-10gb-sec-storage-server | Oct 06 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Texas memory puts out a 10tb 10gb/sec storage server - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 58.05 KB | Oct 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I could backup my hard-drives in seconds.. | Oct 06 20:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/10/01/wd_theft/ | Oct 06 20:40 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Thieves drive off with 10,800 Western Digital drives • Channel Register .::. Size~: 24.18 KB | Oct 06 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Tiered twitter: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/09/27/twitter-reportedly-set-to-unveil-promoted-accounts | Oct 06 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter Reportedly Set to Unveil "Promoted Accounts" | WebProNews .::. Size~: 38.83 KB | Oct 06 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Is it just me or is SLahsot slow like molasses? | Oct 06 20:45 |
| schestowitz | And wihout even being logged in... | Oct 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Can take 30 secs to load | Oct 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadband/361501/talktalk-bt-wed-put-iplayer-in-the-slow-lane | Oct 06 20:47 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: TalkTalk, BT: we'd put iPlayer in the slow lane | Broadband | News | PC Pro .::. Size~: 45.85 KB | Oct 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm getting annoyed with /. speed | Oct 06 20:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i haven't noticed | Oct 06 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: iirc their traffic is declining, so... | Oct 06 21:06 |
| schestowitz | WHose? | Oct 06 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I don't like gadgets, pdas, phones | Oct 06 21:06 |
| *schestowitz Had nap | Oct 06 21:06 | |
| *schestowitz forgot what we talked abouit | Oct 06 21:06 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: we don't get along. although my wife's iPod touch is fun. i read ebooks on it. | Oct 06 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i think you asked me if i had a Zaurus or something. | Oct 06 21:07 |
| schestowitz | they are not ebooks | Oct 06 21:07 |
| schestowitz | a book is a sheet of paper lumped together | Oct 06 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | pdf and html. | Oct 06 21:07 |
| schestowitz | usually with ink | Oct 06 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, i prefer paper books. | Oct 06 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | i own a few :D | Oct 06 21:07 |
| schestowitz | kept for many years | Oct 06 21:07 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: nice | Oct 06 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you refuse to let me send you any | Oct 06 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I have some of my ancestors *GASP* | Oct 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Try *THAT* with ebooks | Oct 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Toronto peace police will handle your supplies | Oct 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | THe direction it's going... | Oct 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it'll stage a burning | Oct 06 21:08 |
| schestowitz | ANd blame anarchists/socialists | Oct 06 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | crptoanarchopoliticoislamoactivists | Oct 06 21:10 |
| schestowitz | This one mystifies me: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/jjmhGhkrPRQ/story01.htm | Oct 06 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Google FeedBurner .::. Size~: 11.47 KB | Oct 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1735625/wikileaks-imploding | Oct 06 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Wikileaks is imploding - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 67.35 KB | Oct 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | One optionis peer pressure | Oct 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Tell his family he helps kill people | Oct 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | And then they pressure him to leave | Oct 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Just an hypothesis | Oct 06 21:15 |
| schestowitz | wikipedia has been succeeding, so no reason for the mess | Oct 06 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Worse to leave when pressure is up due to success | Oct 06 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Or controversy in Cukernfork case | Oct 06 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Vista Phone 7 is such rubbish that Microsoft leaks.......DATES. http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/jjmhGhkrPRQ/story01.htm | Oct 06 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Google FeedBurner .::. Size~: 11.47 KB | Oct 06 21:17 |
| schestowitz | oops, this one: http://www.reghardware.com/2010/09/27/windows_phone_7_release_date/ | Oct 06 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Windows Phone 7 launch dates leak • reghardware .::. Size~: 18.93 KB | Oct 06 21:17 |
| schestowitz | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/aTVqigoUrQ0/story01.htm | Oct 06 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Google FeedBurner .::. Size~: 11.47 KB | Oct 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | "dropouts Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates did do alright for themselves" | Oct 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | " You Are Not Mark Zuckerberg, So Stay In School" | Oct 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | "Mark is success, you are a loser" | Oct 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1736700/zuckerberg-fan-iphone | Oct 06 21:21 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Zuckerberg is not a fan of the iphone - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 62.09 KB | Oct 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Fascinating | Oct 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | He has opinions like normal people have | Oct 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | "I have yet to make a call that has not dropped within 2 mins of talking in NYC. So f'ing annoying." | Oct 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | So _ annoying? | Oct 06 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Dumb? | Oct 06 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | just an overprivileged shithead. | Oct 06 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | do you have a link to that tweet? | Oct 06 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'll reply | Oct 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1736700/zuckerberg-fan-iphone | Oct 06 21:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Zuckerberg is not a fan of the iphone - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 62.09 KB | Oct 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | No Twwet | Oct 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | No Tweet | Oct 06 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Patrick Anderson: "the guy to direct that question to is @ robtiller (i represented FireStar; might be in bad taste if I personally dispute w Rob publicly)" | Oct 06 21:25 |
| schestowitz | http://pookito.status.net/conversation/94066#notice-100599 "That sounds good. Never though about that" | Oct 06 21:36 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Conversation - pookito .::. Size~: 8.44 KB | Oct 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Playback for segments | Oct 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | for megamixes for example | Oct 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: dinner's ready http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-60236-2.html | Oct 06 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Chemieunglück in Ungarn: Angst vor der Umweltkatastrophe - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten - Panorama .::. Size~: 17.74 KB | Oct 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Budapest | Oct 06 21:46 |
| MinceR | actually that isn't dinner :> | Oct 06 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Zucker* -> "lol, now that is funny? :)" http://identi.ca/conversation/54110400#notice-54569384 | Oct 06 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.11 KB | Oct 06 22:04 |
| schestowitz | More like shocking | Oct 06 22:04 |
| schestowitz | "the change should not come from that company. It is not so much a victory that Apple was found guilty." http://identi.ca/notice/54524865 | Oct 06 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Mathias Teugels (cpf)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Oct-10 16:01:05 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.21 KB | Oct 06 22:09 |
| schestowitz | No? | Oct 06 22:09 |
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