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| scientes | u develop qt Ender2070 ? | Oct 20 00:23 |
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| Ender2070 | i'd like to | Oct 20 00:23 |
| scientes | me too :P | Oct 20 00:28 |
| scientes | as in, using qt | Oct 20 00:28 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Oct 20 00:28 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://lwn.net/Articles/409274/ | Oct 20 04:17 |
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| schestowitz | APPLE = Advertise, Pay, Pay Lots, Elitism | Oct 20 06:29 |
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| MinceR | http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lalbixw5xc1qzpwi0o1_500.gif | Oct 20 14:20 |
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| FurnaceBoy | elitism? that's one of those words, schestowitz | Oct 20 14:37 |
| MinceR | what words? | Oct 20 14:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | words drained of meaning by constant abuse | Oct 20 14:41 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 20 14:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's a whole set, and schestowitz is normally fastidious about not using them | Oct 20 14:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | he has a better list than I do | Oct 20 14:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Oct 20 14:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 20 14:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | gah, it just took me 5 minutes to remember that word 'fastidious' | Oct 20 14:42 |
| MinceR | that backronym doesn't work for me anyway | Oct 20 14:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's been on the tip of my tongue | Oct 20 14:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | it was only when i typed my answer to you that it popped into my head | Oct 20 14:42 |
| schestowitz | [14:37] <FurnaceBoy> elitism? that's one of those words, schestowitz | Oct 20 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Good or bad? | Oct 20 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Elitism is like a compliment | Oct 20 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Like elite unit/commando | Oct 20 14:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe once | Oct 20 14:43 |
| schestowitz | When I say someone is an elite | Oct 20 14:43 |
| MinceR | crApple cultists like to believe they're elite | Oct 20 14:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | now it's just one of those useless words used as seasoning | Oct 20 14:44 |
| MinceR | they're not | Oct 20 14:44 |
| schestowitz | More of a way of inciting against people for being arrogant | Oct 20 14:44 |
| MinceR | they're idiots who think way too much of themselves | Oct 20 14:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the word has lost any useful meaning, at least in North America | Oct 20 14:44 |
| MinceR | s/much/highly/ | Oct 20 14:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | where the rot happens first | Oct 20 14:44 |
| MinceR | and of crApple, of course | Oct 20 14:44 |
| schestowitz | [14:44] <MinceR> crApple cultists like to believe they're elite | Oct 20 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Deluxe | Oct 20 14:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | even here in Canada the word has been abused lately | Oct 20 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Ultimate Edition | Oct 20 14:44 |
| MinceR | the word "elite" has been worn out anyway | Oct 20 14:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, it's ruined, and now it's in politics, it's game over | Oct 20 14:44 |
| MinceR | even the parasites known as politicians are often called that | Oct 20 14:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | it means nothing in these contexts, now; it's just thrown in there, like 'terr0r1st' | Oct 20 14:45 |
| MinceR | it still has meaning as "1337", though ^_^ | Oct 20 14:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, yes | Oct 20 14:45 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: not really | Oct 20 14:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Oct 20 14:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no, really. in North America the word no longer means anything. | Oct 20 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Elite is like the new "banker" | Oct 20 14:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: maybe you guys are a bit behind | Oct 20 14:45 |
| schestowitz | In some places the word "banker" is dirty too | Oct 20 14:45 |
| schestowitz | It depends on context/culture | Oct 20 14:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | banker is something concrete. an accusation of elitism isn't. it's thrown in to season debates in front of dumb audiences. it's a dog whistle, schestowitz. | Oct 20 14:46 |
| schestowitz | "You are such a banker!!!!" | Oct 20 14:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you know what dog whistles are? | Oct 20 14:46 |
| schestowitz | yes | Oct 20 14:46 |
| schestowitz | I have one | Oct 20 14:46 |
| schestowitz | 2 dogs | Oct 20 14:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | :/ | Oct 20 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Hard;y audible to me | Oct 20 14:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: are you being deliberately silly? | Oct 20 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Where though? | Oct 20 14:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Oct 20 14:48 |
| schestowitz | In a post about Apple/ | Oct 20 14:48 |
| schestowitz | In a post about Apple? | Oct 20 14:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | dogwhistle is a political tactic | Oct 20 14:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, here | Oct 20 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Didn't know | Oct 20 14:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, schestowitz , and these words that you and I frequently complain about, | Oct 20 14:48 |
| schestowitz | But I knew it was a metaphor | Oct 20 14:48 |
| schestowitz | [14:46] <FurnaceBoy> banker is something concrete. an accusation of elitism isn't. it's thrown in to season debates in front of dumb audiences. it's a dog whistle, | Oct 20 14:48 |
| schestowitz | ^Obvious | Oct 20 14:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | are often used as dog whistles. | Oct 20 14:49 |
| schestowitz | [14:46] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: you know what dog whistles are? | Oct 20 14:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right, sure, but this word *elitism* is used in this way constantly. | Oct 20 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I thought you meant not the metaphor | Oct 20 14:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, i meant the metaphor. | Oct 20 14:49 |
| schestowitz | OK | Oct 20 14:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is now the dominant political tactic in north america | Oct 20 14:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's replaced other forms of debate | Oct 20 14:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's now just a series of dogwhistles adding up to an election | Oct 20 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I did not understand your intention | Oct 20 14:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | culminating in* | Oct 20 14:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | and one of the favoured word: elistist | Oct 20 14:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | elitist* | Oct 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | I know | Oct 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Canada has thos | Oct 20 14:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | not just in USA, btu in Canada too. | Oct 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Radical exremist | Oct 20 14:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, no... | Oct 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Some Prof wrote a book about it now | Oct 20 14:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | the elitists are a different kind of supposed enemy. | Oct 20 14:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | needless to say, they don't exist. | Oct 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | About the culture minister or whatever using this whistle | Oct 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | IIRC against DOctorow and Geist | Oct 20 14:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Oct 20 14:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah | Oct 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | re copyright | Oct 20 14:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a culture war thing. | Oct 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | You surely saw that argument | Oct 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | I did a techrights article about it | Oct 20 14:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | not in detail, no. | Oct 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | And now there's a book | Oct 20 14:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | when i first saw Geist cited on /., i thought he was withthe industry ... that was many years ago | Oct 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | With "Radical extremist" in the title | Oct 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | They cheapen the red alert words | Oct 20 14:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes... | Oct 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | "Radical extremist" is like "terrorist terrorist" | Oct 20 14:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | so all i was sayign was make sure 'elitist' is on your list. | Oct 20 14:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | of dog whistle words. | Oct 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | It makes you think twice about Taliban or something | Oct 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | TV evokes those images with combination of voice/textover + image | Oct 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceChimneyIncinerator | Oct 20 14:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Oct 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | You dirty serial killa! | Oct 20 14:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | SLANDER! | Oct 20 14:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | Furnaschwitz | Oct 20 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | Today I got so much stuff done.... | Oct 20 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Just not on the Net | Oct 20 15:11 |
| schestowitz | :-/ | Oct 20 15:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, that's good, why the slanty face | Oct 20 15:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you get my Debian imaging link? | Oct 20 15:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | MRI | Oct 20 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's in Daily Links | Oct 20 17:23 |
| schestowitz | I add almost everything given by Techrights community | Oct 20 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Including relevant identi.ca links | Oct 20 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I make RSS secondary now | Oct 20 17:24 |
| schestowitz | We have a little community built around identi.ca and some fine following | Oct 20 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ok | Oct 20 17:25 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: well, I was working to ensure my day time job I can do remotely from work, too | Oct 20 17:27 |
| schestowitz | So I needed to go to the Dean's office | Oct 20 17:28 |
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| MinceR | 192637 <%remial> how can the catholic church tell me sex before marriage is evil when Mary was knocked up before her marriage? | Oct 20 18:45 |
| schestowitz | She was never knocked up | Oct 20 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Religions treat female genitalia as a disgusting thing | Oct 20 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Like getting pregnant is something repugnant | Oct 20 18:48 |
| schestowitz | However, all priests require a penis... preferably small based on who they rape | Oct 20 18:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Oct 20 18:52 |
| schestowitz | what type of sigh? | Oct 20 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | the primitivisms of religion | Oct 20 19:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | we have to deal with them every day | Oct 20 19:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | the fallout, the consequences | Oct 20 19:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | the costs | Oct 20 19:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's 2010 but it might as well be 1002 | Oct 20 19:00 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: but Canada is a tad secular, no? | Oct 20 19:05 |
| MinceR | they should be more consistent about it | Oct 20 19:05 |
| MinceR | then the cultists would have died out in 1 generation | Oct 20 19:06 |
| schestowitz | cultists | Oct 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Dog shistle | Oct 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | *whi | Oct 20 19:08 |
| MinceR | ? | Oct 20 19:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: depends. seems like everywhere, religious nuts are capturing attention | Oct 20 19:10 |
| schestowitz | ROBERTSON | Oct 20 19:10 |
| schestowitz | He also captured cash | Oct 20 19:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's an ongoing game. | Oct 20 19:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not a thing of the past. | Oct 20 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Buying helicopters from money he claims to be aimed at helping poor people | Oct 20 19:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: see the gay-hating pastor in Atlanta | Oct 20 19:11 |
| MinceR | Capture The Cash? :> | Oct 20 19:11 |
| schestowitz | God is his homeboy | Oct 20 19:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: takes money from his flock, spends it on his own empire | Oct 20 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Using "God" he raises lots of money for himself | Oct 20 19:11 |
| schestowitz | He offers the donours something back | Oct 20 19:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: preying on the poor people of Atlanta | Oct 20 19:11 |
| MinceR | ah, the cult of money :> | Oct 20 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Something they get after they rot, allegedly | Oct 20 19:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes quite, the great American religion | Oct 20 19:12 |
| schestowitz | [19:11] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: preying on the poor people of Atlanta | Oct 20 19:12 |
| schestowitz | They are "poor because of gay people"? | Oct 20 19:12 |
| schestowitz | scapegoat$$ | Oct 20 19:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/how-open-source-advocates-beat-themselves/7565 | Oct 20 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: How open source advocates beat themselves | ZDNet .::. Size~: 109.06 KB | Oct 20 19:23 |
| schestowitz | "It seems to me most open source advocates love to brag about who they work for (assuming they are working for someone). Even with the NDA, they can say who they work for but not what they are working on unless we are talking DOD type stuff." | Oct 20 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Sigh | Oct 20 19:23 |
| MinceR | is idg and zdnet even worth paying attention to? | Oct 20 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | apparently not. what a stupid remark that was | Oct 20 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | like the 'fierce ideology' claptrap that /. just repeated on its front page. | Oct 20 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | oooooooooooh they're ACTIVISTS! they CARE about something! | Oct 20 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | SCARING all the goddamn centrists | Oct 20 19:27 |
| MinceR | they're not centrists | Oct 20 19:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | those who think technology is not political | Oct 20 19:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | pragmatists | Oct 20 19:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | those who locate themselves in the problem set by default | Oct 20 19:27 |
| MinceR | corpocratists :> | Oct 20 19:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | or, self described pragmatists. | Oct 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz |  | Oct 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:26] <MinceR> is idg and zdnet even worth paying attention to? | Oct 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Wrong question | Oct 20 19:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | who the mobbyists talk to, basically. | Oct 20 19:27 |
| MinceR | remember, good citizens don't care about anything, they do as they're told | Oct 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Other people do pay attention to them | Oct 20 19:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: exactly | Oct 20 19:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: and it's EASIER too | Oct 20 19:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: you can sell it on comfort grounds | Oct 20 19:28 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: listening to that noise isn't going to stop it though, is it? | Oct 20 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I prefer to show what they do | Oct 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | And to explain why it's wrong | Oct 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Centrists and trolls is what they have | Oct 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Agenda-setting 'tech' sites | Oct 20 19:29 |
| MinceR | do they listen to you, though? | Oct 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | FSF=nasty; obey normal; industry standard; Mac vs PC... | Oct 20 19:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: exactly | Oct 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | The revolusssshen will not be ZDNetted | Oct 20 19:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: define the enemy as 'radical', 'unacceptable', 'impolite', 'extreme' | Oct 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | [19:29] <MinceR> do they listen to you, though? | Oct 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Who is "they"? | Oct 20 19:30 |
| MinceR | the ones who read idg and zdnet | Oct 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Depends | Oct 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | IDG is read by people who are annoyed and whose mind is perturbed by spin | Oct 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz | But also clueless folks | Oct 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz | There's the overlapping part | Oct 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet banned some people I know | Oct 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Even people in their 50s with good jobs in IT | Oct 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz | They have objectionable opinion cause they wanted source code | Oct 20 19:32 |
| schestowitz | http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2010/10/19/proprietary-relicensing.html | Oct 20 19:33 |
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| schestowitz | I quit covering "core" BS like I used to | Oct 20 19:33 |
| schestowitz | WASTE OF TIME (oops. caps accident) | Oct 20 19:33 |
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| *Disconnected (Invalid argument). | Oct 20 20:19 | |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Oct 20 20:20 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell | Oct 20 20:20 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Oct 20 20:20 | |
| MinceR | hmm... | Oct 20 20:20 |
| MinceR | if mary didn't get knocked up, how did she get pregnant? | Oct 20 20:21 |
| MinceR | or rather, if she didn't get knocked up, how did she bear a child? | Oct 20 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Mary is Singularity | Oct 20 20:24 |
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| MinceR | zomg | Oct 20 20:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | LOL @ http://twitter.com/#!/edbott/status/27937145927 | Oct 20 20:24 |
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| MinceR | we've already passed the Singularity and didn't even notice it? | Oct 20 20:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | oh wait, they screwed up URLs for newtwitter. let's try that again... | Oct 20 20:25 |
| schestowitz | The first one was Adam's rib | Oct 20 20:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | LOL @ http://twitter.com/edbott/status/27937145927 | Oct 20 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | Ewww... | Oct 20 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Bought | Oct 20 20:25 |
| MinceR | i wonder what would twitter do if they had to accomplish something without javascript | Oct 20 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Ed Bot | Oct 20 20:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: well the old URL scheme WORKED. | Oct 20 20:25 |
| MinceR | that twit is good though | Oct 20 20:25 |
| MinceR | yeah | Oct 20 20:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: can't believe they fracked up newtwitter | Oct 20 20:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | i was thinking about that this morning. | Oct 20 20:25 |
| schestowitz | they did | Oct 20 20:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm pretty sure this is a WTF | Oct 20 20:25 |
| schestowitz | To cushion against backlash | Oct 20 20:25 |
| schestowitz | bad URLs | Oct 20 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Duplicity | Oct 20 20:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | no, it's not necessary | Oct 20 20:26 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: huh? | Oct 20 20:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: at first, i thought it was to differentiate newtwitter, but it's not. | Oct 20 20:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's a pure-ajax idea, and i think it's a WTF. | Oct 20 20:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: they've broken URLs, basically. | Oct 20 20:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | there's no reason why they couldn't have launched newtwitter with a working URL scheme | Oct 20 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Oct 20 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I hadn't realised it | Oct 20 20:28 |
| MinceR | or they could have just switched to StatusNet, which actually works | Oct 20 20:28 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was new/versus old | Oct 20 20:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 20 20:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: me too, at first. until I thought about it. | Oct 20 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Which it is in a way... | Oct 20 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Old=works | Oct 20 20:28 |
| schestowitz | New=bokred URLs by design, permanent | Oct 20 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, we've moved off twitter mostly | Oct 20 20:28 |
| schestowitz | They say I'm 4th most prolific in identica | Oct 20 20:28 |
| schestowitz | And we have support there | Oct 20 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Trolls like ACCESS freak don't survive there, en masse block | Oct 20 20:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | lol | Oct 20 20:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | okay bbiab lunch | Oct 20 20:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | must have | Oct 20 20:30 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 20 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for fun chat.. | Oct 20 20:30 |
| schestowitz | I could use a break... | Oct 20 20:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | likewise | Oct 20 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Too much distraction today | Oct 20 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Been on phone for 40 minutes over router again | Oct 20 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Idiots did a half job... | Oct 20 20:30 |
| schestowitz | "Pablo" helped | Oct 20 20:31 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz I believe natural Co2 is good, not Co2 derived from fossil combustible burning. Yup, in a way, Co2 is good, but not that way." http://identi.ca/conversation/56512817#notice-57004653 | Oct 20 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | I'll never get back into posting rhythm, I think | Oct 20 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Identica taking too much time... | Oct 20 20:37 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56512817#notice-57004698 "They're claiming in those videos." | Oct 20 20:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56512817#notice-57005817 "Actually CO2 is plant food :) a not so good comparison ;)" | Oct 20 20:38 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56514326#notice-57006047 "@schestowitz hi-larious: "It's what?" "Plant food."" | Oct 20 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.13 KB | Oct 20 20:38 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/57006118 "There is a new lie from #Mobbyists : "CO2 is Plant Food" http://ur1.ca/24qtm #greenwashing" | Oct 20 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Joel Adamson (trashbird1240)'s status on Wednesday, 20-Oct-10 18:08:21 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.78 KB | Oct 20 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - The "CO2 is Plant Food" Crock .::. Size~: 144.76 KB | Oct 20 20:38 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56512817#notice-57006243 "technically, CO2 (in gaseous form) CAN help plants. My response to this usually is "Yea, but it poisons humans."" | Oct 20 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 12.02 KB | Oct 20 20:39 |
| MinceR | hmm... | Oct 20 20:40 |
| MinceR | helps plants, poisons humans | Oct 20 20:40 |
| MinceR | win-win | Oct 20 20:40 |
| MinceR | the real problem is that it also poisons non-human animals | Oct 20 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Rude: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/10/19/joe-wilcox-heres-the-answer-to-your-jackass-question-about-steve-jobs/ | Oct 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | DILGER | Oct 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Apple invites him to meetings | Oct 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | He sells Mac books | Oct 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | EXTENDED FAMILY>>> | Oct 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: why are you calling them animals (not the humans)? | Oct 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | They can be quite compassionate in their growth rate and exhaustion of Earth's resources | Oct 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Meet Charlie. He east bananas all day and then drills in the ocean to fly rockets into Venus | Oct 20 20:43 |
| MinceR | because that's the biological term | Oct 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Charlie is a chimp | Oct 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | He makes mehane | Oct 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | methane from his poor | Oct 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | He pollutes the planety | Oct 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | He pollutes the planet | Oct 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not sure it is | Oct 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Biological says we're animals I think | Oct 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | We have special words/classifications | Oct 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Terms like "fauna and fauna" | Oct 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | "men and animals" | Oct 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Distinction of interest | Oct 20 20:45 |
| MinceR | yes, that's why i specified "non-human animals" | Oct 20 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Joe Wilcox: Heres the answer to your jackass question about Steve Jobs RoughlyDrafted Magazine .::. Size~: 50.75 KB | Oct 20 20:45 |
| schestowitz | If cow becomes beef when minced | Oct 20 20:45 |
| schestowitz | And pig become pork | Oct 20 20:45 |
| schestowitz | What do you call human flesh headhunters eat? | Oct 20 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Do they have euphemisms for that too? | Oct 20 20:45 |
| MinceR | i don't | Oct 20 20:45 |
| MinceR | but "human meat" works | Oct 20 20:46 |
| schestowitz | like "cow meat"? | Oct 20 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Or mutton? | Oct 20 20:46 |
| MinceR | yes | Oct 20 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Oh well... | Oct 20 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Look who I find to argue with... | Oct 20 20:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR.... | Oct 20 20:46 |
| schestowitz | What makes it happy... | Oct 20 20:46 |
| MinceR | ? | Oct 20 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Dilger does nothing but Apple boosting now http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/10/19/anticipating-mac-os-x-10-7-lion/ | Oct 20 20:47 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Anticipating Mac OS X 10.7 Lion RoughlyDrafted Magazine .::. Size~: 68.02 KB | Oct 20 20:47 |
| schestowitz | In the early days he did some good articles on Linux too | Oct 20 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'll just delete his feed now | Oct 20 20:47 |
| MinceR | who's this dilger and why do we care about him? | Oct 20 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Nothing of use in ages | Oct 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he used to be a major blogger | Oct 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | pro-Apple | Oct 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Still a tad influential, albeit inactive | Oct 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | He sort of quit blogging | Oct 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | but he had tons of visitors | Oct 20 20:48 |
| MinceR | and when did we start caring about pro-crApple cloggers? :> | Oct 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | I found a way of making enough with daytime job to blog a lot of hours... | Oct 20 20:49 |
| MinceR | (clogger, as in someone who clogs up the intertubes with garbage) | Oct 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | RoughlyDrafted Magazine is japut | Oct 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Kaput | Oct 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Within years | Oct 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: just intertubes? | Oct 20 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe tubes too | Oct 20 20:50 |
| MinceR | maybe | Oct 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Some of them are full of it | Oct 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Like that IDG IDIOT | Oct 20 20:50 |
| MinceR | well, maybe it stays inside | Oct 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | WINDOWS VISTA MAGAZINE | Oct 20 20:50 |
| MinceR | until they blow up or something | Oct 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Go to the site LOL | Oct 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Even schestowitz.com gets more traffic than WINDOWS VISTA MAGAZINE | Oct 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | What a fail | Oct 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Turned to anti-Linuxer | Oct 20 20:50 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/ | Oct 20 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Neglected site | Oct 20 20:54 |
| schestowitz | I'll come back to it soon though | Oct 20 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2010/10/happy-days-actor-tom-bosley-dead.html | Oct 20 20:58 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: 'Happy Days' actor Tom Bosley dies at 83 | Ministry of Gossip | Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 149.27 KB | Oct 20 20:58 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Oct 20 21:13 | |
| roy_ | [17:01] <sebsebseb> what I am not happy about though when it comes to identica is how welcome bot shows my real name when hovering over the nick | Oct 20 21:18 |
| roy_ | [17:02] <sebsebseb> and they were like, oh it will probably go, its cached | Oct 20 21:18 |
| roy_ | [17:02] <sebsebseb> however I may have to link this name to real name eventually anyway, since Mageia | Oct 20 21:18 |
| roy_ |  | Oct 20 21:18 |
| roy_ | [02:38] <-- sebsebseb has left this server (*.net *.split). | Oct 20 21:18 |
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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Oct 20 21:31 | |
| -NickServ-You are now identified for schestowitz. | Oct 20 21:31 | |
| roy_ | MinceR: stigma humour | Oct 20 21:35 |
| roy_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbfFAYn8bgc | Oct 20 21:35 |
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| *roy_ is now known as schestowitz | Oct 20 21:46 | |
| schestowitz | It's a funny channel.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6_9QmM6TfE | Oct 20 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Atheist Comedy - The Meaning of Life .::. Size~: 130.24 KB | Oct 20 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/keitaihaiku/statuses/27951347846 "@schestowitz, did you call Ted T'so a "hypocrite"? _Really_? Wow. Wow twice." | Oct 20 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / 携帯 俳句: @schestowitz, did you call ... .::. Size~: 12.07 KB | Oct 20 22:26 |
| MinceR | is that supposed to be a haiku? | Oct 20 22:28 |
| MinceR | seems way too long | Oct 20 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe he IS a freakin' hypocrite. | Oct 20 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ted T'so is some sacred cow? | Oct 20 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Oct 20 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | celebrity worship. | Oct 20 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Did you just call Bill Gates a criminal? Wow. Twice." | Oct 20 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | "How dare you." | Oct 20 22:43 |
| MinceR | not sacred to me | Oct 20 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a mentality | Oct 20 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | thou shalt not dare to question | Oct 20 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | or criticise | Oct 20 22:43 |
| MinceR | Don't question, don't think / Don't even open your mouth | Oct 20 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | Those who are obsessed with Techrights help it | Oct 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | They only attract attention on it. SIlly wabbits. | Oct 20 22:51 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: I saw the Dana comment | Oct 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | What a tool he is | Oct 20 22:52 |
| gnufreex | Did you saw my response? | Oct 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | JRA said it like it is... what I said months ago | Oct 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | I exchanged dozens of msgs with the mobbyists before the obvious was made apparent | Oct 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Earlier on he tried pretending | Oct 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | But only tools would believe the mobbyist now | Oct 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | And there's one crayon in ZD | Oct 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: no | Oct 20 22:53 |
| gnufreex | I also didn't want to make any opinion about Florian Mueller without I was certain that he is mobbyist. | Oct 20 22:53 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: You need to click "Show more comments". It is first affter the threashold. | Oct 20 22:54 |
| schestowitz | There's a threshold?!? | Oct 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | HOW COME I still see Dana's posts then? :-) | Oct 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | -1 (troll) | Oct 20 22:55 |
| gnufreex | I mean, the "See more comments" | Oct 20 22:55 |
| gnufreex | At low of the page. | Oct 20 22:55 |
| gnufreex | You click that, and more comments show up | Oct 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | "See more comments" = "See comments i don't agree with" | Oct 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Just don't feed him | Oct 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | He gets paid for comments | Oct 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Dent rebuttals to it | Oct 20 22:56 |
| gnufreex | Not sure. I think it is for comments that don't fit in the page. | Oct 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe comment in some site like Groklaw | Oct 20 22:56 |
| gnufreex | Like page 1 | Oct 20 22:56 |
| gnufreex | And page 2 is affter see "more comments" | Oct 20 22:57 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok | Oct 20 22:57 |
| gnufreex | Also, Red Hat's Jan Wildeboer commented | Oct 20 22:57 |
| gnufreex | Also need to click. | Oct 20 22:57 |
| gnufreex | Dana alsom made smug comment to Jan | Oct 20 22:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827822.100-morality-we-can-send-religion-to-the-scrap-heap.html | Oct 20 22:58 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Morality: 'We can send religion to the scrap heap' - opinion - 20 October 2010 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 76.47 KB | Oct 20 22:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ^^ | Oct 20 22:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 20 22:58 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: yeah | Oct 20 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Well, let Dana glue himself to a corner | Oct 20 22:58 |
| schestowitz | he does his ratings no favours | Oct 20 22:58 |
| schestowitz | The mobbyist uses other people's blogs as hosts | Oct 20 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Cause nobody reads its own | Oct 20 22:59 |
| gnufreex | Jeremmy alison really said what it is. Florian thinks he can make a point if he outspams other side. | Oct 20 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://metalab.at/wiki/Fraktalparty | Oct 20 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: "CO2 is plant food!" | Oct 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | "RAND works with GPL.." | Oct 20 23:00 |
| gnufreex | Lol. Yeah | Oct 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | If it smells like tobacco, be worried | Oct 20 23:00 |
| MinceR | RAND-Z does, afaik | Oct 20 23:00 |
| MinceR | but not ordinary RAND :> | Oct 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | FRAND | Oct 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | "FAIR" | Oct 20 23:00 |
| schestowitz | FAIRLY SH**** | Oct 20 23:01 |
| MinceR | that F is just spam | Oct 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Fairy | Oct 20 23:01 |
| MinceR | then again, Moody mentioned that other constraints beside royalties are possible | Oct 20 23:01 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: gay? | Oct 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | You are? | Oct 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | From beer? | Oct 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | The term was hijacked | Oct 20 23:01 |
| schestowitz | We should hijack one for Linux | Oct 20 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Linux user="cheerful" | Oct 20 23:02 |
| schestowitz | "I heard Dave is cheerful" | Oct 20 23:02 |
| schestowitz | He uses Linux | Oct 20 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Linux=cheer | Oct 20 23:02 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure this kind of language pollution is good | Oct 20 23:02 |
| gnufreex | FRAND == FRAUD | Oct 20 23:02 |
| MinceR | causes ambiguity | Oct 20 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Dave said he was cheerful | Oct 20 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz | Well, let Dana glue himself to a corner <--- nice! haha | Oct 20 23:03 |
| schestowitz | So I mistakenly sent him RPMs | Oct 20 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | [language pollution] yes that's what we were talking about. | Oct 20 23:04 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: see new dent | Oct 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | "Et tu, @DanaBlankenhorn ? Hosting Microsoft lies and then calling opposition shills? Oh well, at least I know to reclassify your blog. :-p" | Oct 20 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | it is becoming the dominant tactic of he dishonest | Oct 20 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | the* | Oct 20 23:05 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Where? | Oct 20 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | haha good one | Oct 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | identica | Oct 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | (and twitter) | Oct 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I like identica better | Oct 20 23:06 |
| schestowitz | The trolls don't thrive there | Oct 20 23:06 |
| schestowitz | In twitter I block several harassers | Oct 20 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've blocked dozens | Oct 20 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't entertain nutjobs there, period. | Oct 20 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Let them starve | Oct 20 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | bought and paid for | Oct 20 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Proof? | Oct 20 23:07 |
| schestowitz | There's some real oddballs following me around many sites | Oct 20 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, i didn't mean the trolls were bought and paid for:) | Oct 20 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mean they earned their starvation | Oct 20 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't have to bother with them | Oct 20 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Keep that as trophies | Oct 20 23:09 |
| schestowitz | But pipe them into the garage | Oct 20 23:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | in fact the past few weeks have been mercifully free of any trollage | Oct 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | They try to agitate | Oct 20 23:10 |
| *FurnaceBoy touches wood | Oct 20 23:10 | |
| MinceR | kinky | Oct 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | If you reply angrily they'll get their 'dirt' | Oct 20 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | [23:10] <FurnaceBoy> in fact the past few weeks have been mercifully free of any trollage | Oct 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you did something wrong | Oct 20 23:10 |
| schestowitz | It depends | Oct 20 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Trolling comes when someone: | Oct 20 23:11 |
| schestowitz | 1) envies (=success) | Oct 20 23:11 |
| schestowitz | 2) you provoke (=less than success) | Oct 20 23:11 |
| gnufreex_ | I got screwed by ISP. Did I miss something important? | Oct 20 23:11 |
| schestowitz | No | Oct 20 23:12 |
| schestowitz | [23:10] <schestowitz> If you reply angrily they'll get their 'dirt' | Oct 20 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | [23:10] <schestowitz> [23:10] <FurnaceBoy> in fact the past few weeks have been mercifully free of any trollage | Oct 20 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Blows dubs Google's 'open' Android speak 'disingenuous' http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/19/jobs_on_android/ | Oct 20 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Jobs dubs Google's 'open' Android speak 'disingenuous' • The Register .::. Size~: 30.13 KB | Oct 20 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: then RIM< in Canadian business press today, slams Jobs | Oct 20 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | and so it goes round | Oct 20 23:13 |
| gnufreex_ | FurnaceBoy: In fact, I have a theory about lack of trollage. But don't have hard proof to support it. | Oct 20 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | gnufreex_: i know a bunch of ppl just watch. | Oct 20 23:13 |
| gnufreex_ | no | Oct 20 23:14 |
| gnufreex_ | I mean mobbyists are bussy. | Oct 20 23:14 |
| gnufreex_ | EIF | Oct 20 23:14 |
| gnufreex_ | All those european politicians to troll. | Oct 20 23:14 |
| gnufreex_ | In person. | Oct 20 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh. i don't get that kind of troll. i get political ones, since my feed is more political than about free software | Oct 20 23:16 |
| gnufreex_ | Ah. | Oct 20 23:16 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWuyrlXI7nA | Oct 20 23:18 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Cofe Time for in talk English .::. Size~: 119.39 KB | Oct 20 23:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | mobbyists is a great term | Oct 20 23:18 |
| schestowitz | It's like Jukka from MTV... | Oct 20 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Hilarious... just subscribed | Oct 20 23:19 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: but it's cause they are a mob against FOSS groups | Oct 20 23:29 |
| schestowitz | They not only promote Microsoft agenda | Oct 20 23:29 |
| schestowitz | They smear Microsoft opposition | Oct 20 23:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Oct 20 23:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | i get the mob part, that's what endears me to the term :) | Oct 20 23:30 |
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