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| schestowitz | "Please substantiate your charges if you wish to be credible." http://twitter.com/#!/DanaBlankenhorn/status/27973317784 | Oct 21 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | @DanaBlankenhorn you describe a .NET developer who attacks FOSS as pro-FOSS and echo his charges. Then, you dismiss his critics. | Oct 21 00:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | typical BS | Oct 21 00:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | who's that? de Icaza? | Oct 21 00:32 |
| schestowitz | Close | Oct 21 00:33 |
| schestowitz | it's dana echoing a de Icaza fan | Oct 21 00:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | they just like celebrities | Oct 21 00:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're hoping something will rub off | Oct 21 00:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a terribly sick mindset | Oct 21 00:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | same ppl who idolise gates -- dazzled by teh wealth | Oct 21 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | and power | Oct 21 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | micro-Gates | Oct 21 00:34 |
| schestowitz | @DanaBlankenhorn people like Jan and Jeremy have a track record of pro-FOSS; Florian has _none_. Reassess whose side you push. | Oct 21 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | FLorian only has a negative record. | Oct 21 00:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | well documented | Oct 21 00:34 |
| schestowitz | yes | Oct 21 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Oct 21 00:35 |
| schestowitz | I see IBM tweets | Oct 21 00:35 |
| schestowitz | They say mobbyists | Oct 21 00:35 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/27924221090 "OH a mobbyist "Let's disagree on what a fact is" and then the bathos continued." | Oct 21 00:35 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Arubin/status/27808662429 | Oct 21 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://thenextweb.com/apple/2010/10/20/apple-1-in-5-pcs-sold-in-the-us-is-a-mac/ | Oct 21 00:49 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: | Oct 21 06:11 |
| schestowitz | [21:47] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fabsh, re: "$999 'affordable' to #Apple" I find that #disturbing but consistent w/ Apple's trend toward servicing the wealthy elite. | Oct 21 06:11 |
| schestowitz | "Elite" | Oct 21 06:13 |
| schestowitz | [21:44] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [fabsh/@fabsh] LOL! $999 is "affordable" to Apple? Jesus Christ. Nobel geht die Welt zugrunde... | Oct 21 06:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: right, it's a sign of BS | Oct 21 06:29 |
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| MinceR | not just the wealthy ever since people like to spend money they don't have | Oct 21 06:43 |
| MinceR | (loans) | Oct 21 06:43 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/UfYRN.jpg (source: http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/du4dc/remember_to_log_off_after_using_a_public_computer/ ) | Oct 21 06:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/DanaBlankenhorn/statuses/27986069399 "I don't push sides. Don't confuse reporting all sides with pushing one side. It hurts your cause." | Oct 21 07:00 |
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| schestowitz | Dana says this | Oct 21 07:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdhUw9VHRb4 | Oct 21 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | What next? | Oct 21 09:19 |
| schestowitz | Treatment for "not being white?" | Oct 21 09:19 |
| schestowitz | "some years ago #TheSTeveOfLinux sent CD's everywhere for free and now he cannot afford bandwidth? Can't #UbuntuCloud do that?" some years ago #TheSTeveOfLinux sent CD's everywhere for free and now he cannot afford bandwidth? Can't #UbuntuCloud do that? | Oct 21 09:25 |
| schestowitz | #TheSTeveOfLinux =markS | Oct 21 09:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 21 09:37 |
| MinceR | why is the T capitalized in STeve? | Oct 21 09:37 |
| schestowitz | typo? | Oct 21 09:38 |
| MinceR | but twice? | Oct 21 09:38 |
| schestowitz | Didn't notice | Oct 21 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Ask him | Oct 21 09:39 |
| MinceR | can't | Oct 21 09:40 |
| schestowitz | seb made an identica account | Oct 21 09:41 |
| schestowitz | You can too | Oct 21 09:41 |
| MinceR | i don't want to | Oct 21 09:42 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: (don't publish this link, it's a subscriber free link): http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/410778/ebc8c9f52c7ad7d5/ | Oct 21 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, madhatter is there | Oct 21 14:11 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know he had subs there | Oct 21 14:11 |
| schestowitz | He's a friend of techrights too | Oct 21 14:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | http://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/28021646400 | Oct 21 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/06/24/canadian-politician-sells-out/ | Oct 21 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy, MinceR: http://identi.ca/conversation/56596266#notice-57094945 "There are some things you're supposed to hate." | Oct 21 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | He keeps saying that | Oct 21 15:09 |
| schestowitz | But we have this whole "diplomatic" BS | Oct 21 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Must pretend to love everything and everyone | Oct 21 15:09 |
| schestowitz | To be credible | Oct 21 15:09 |
| MinceR | then that BS has to be broken | Oct 21 15:09 |
| MinceR | also, you've exposed many times how m$ internally hates everyone | Oct 21 15:10 |
| MinceR | perhaps the sheeple need a reminder | Oct 21 15:10 |
| MinceR | "fuck google meeting"s or whatever, and such :> | Oct 21 15:10 |
| MinceR | death spiral | Oct 21 15:10 |
| schestowitz | we live in a culture that discourages this to keep temperature down | Oct 21 15:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Oct 21 15:11 |
| MinceR | m$ has the advantage of being able to somewhat shield these things from publicity | Oct 21 15:11 |
| MinceR | since it all happens inside the company | Oct 21 15:11 |
| MinceR | obviously, the free software community can't do the same | Oct 21 15:11 |
| MinceR | that doesn't mean m$ is any nicer or any more diplomatic | Oct 21 15:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that FUD about 'ideology'.... it works: | Oct 21 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | 09:42:10 qu1j0t3 | Specimen: as you know, the main reason 'hw accel on linux is a joke' is because x | Oct 21 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | | manufacturers aren't prepared to open up documentation and apis, etc x | Oct 21 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | 09:42:37 qu1j0t3 | Specimen: they keep all this stuff sikrit except to their major commercial x | Oct 21 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | | licensees yadda yadda x | Oct 21 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | 09:42:56 qu1j0t3 | it's a self reinforcing little club x | Oct 21 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | 09:45:08 Specimen | Yeah I know. I'm going to make some penguins angry by saying this, but if Linux x | Oct 21 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | | 'politics' allowed for more 'closeness' to co-exist with it's natural openess maybe x | Oct 21 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | | things would be different? x | Oct 21 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | 09:45:30 qu1j0t3 | whatever | Oct 21 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | sorry about paste format | Oct 21 15:15 |
| MinceR | things would certainly be different | Oct 21 15:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's a falsehood | Oct 21 15:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's not about ideology at all | Oct 21 15:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | the problem comes from the commercial side | Oct 21 15:16 |
| MinceR | question is, whether the advantages would outweigh the disadvantages or the other way around | Oct 21 15:16 |
| MinceR | it's a conflict between enforcing software freedom and allowing companies to keep their secrets | Oct 21 15:16 |
| MinceR | people like to forget what happens if you do the latter | Oct 21 15:16 |
| MinceR | BSDs are what happens then | Oct 21 15:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes, i think bsd is unhelpful | Oct 21 15:17 |
| MinceR | very slow development, staying marginal | Oct 21 15:17 |
| MinceR | almost no companies care to contribute back | Oct 21 15:17 |
| MinceR | and they don't have to | Oct 21 15:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | of course | Oct 21 15:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's an enabler for the worst behaviour | Oct 21 15:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | and then i am sure a large number of companies treat gpl as bsd and don't get caught. | Oct 21 15:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | there are very few principles in business | Oct 21 15:18 |
| MinceR | there might be ways to keep some kinds of middle ground | Oct 21 15:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's Hobbesian | Oct 21 15:18 |
| MinceR | it seems that /etc/firmware is such a middle ground | Oct 21 15:18 |
| MinceR | currently | Oct 21 15:18 |
| MinceR | but honestly, i don't know how far it is safe to tread wrt nonfree drivers | Oct 21 15:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56603626#notice-57096235 "@schestowitz Culture isn't a static, objective thing that exists outside of us, it's created by us every day. We can (and must) change it." | Oct 21 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | True | Oct 21 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Well, in the society we live in progressives are often seen as bad people http://techrights.org/2009/09/26/richard-stallman-smeared-for-truth/ Status quo=good? | Oct 21 15:40 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: quite so | Oct 21 15:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: anyone who challenges the status quo risks demonisation, attacks, smears | Oct 21 15:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | practically by definition | Oct 21 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | RMS = Galileo | Oct 21 15:43 |
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| gnufreex | Schestowitz: Can you give me that 'CO2 is plant food' link again? I lost it. | Oct 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz | OK.. | Oct 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g093lhtpEFo | Oct 21 16:39 |
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| gnufreex | Thanks.. just now saw you posted it. | Oct 21 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56611373#notice-57106397 "@schestowitz Ironically this is Deja Vu for me - I remember why Apple lost their first lead, in the 80s, too closed, & developer defections" | Oct 21 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://webmink.com/2010/10/21/links-for-2010-10-21/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=laconica | Oct 21 18:38 |
| schestowitz | "Given how well-funded the pernicious hydra FSFE (and the rest of us) are fighting actually is, I remain amazed that meaningful opposition is even possible. Huge kudos to FSFE (of which I am a proud member) for keeping this battle going against all odds, even despite Quislings." | Oct 21 18:38 |
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| schestowitz | As my music player I use minirok. In the 90s I used Winamp (since pre 1, 0.7 IIRC). | Oct 21 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Ooohh.. | Oct 21 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Good-looking EU member of parliament just sent me a video.. http://twitter.com/#!/MarietjeD66/status/28009343476 | Oct 21 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | Marietje Schaake http://twitter.com/#!/MarietjeD66 | Oct 21 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | thanks a lot I told her... | Oct 21 19:16 |
| schestowitz | It's weird when govt people and singers are on Twitter | Oct 21 19:16 |
| schestowitz | xhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56616788#notice-57110632 " that player looks a lot like clementine" | Oct 21 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://identi.ca/conversation/56605260#notice-57111385 "Of course. That's the thesis of reactionism. All they do is defend the status quo." | Oct 21 19:52 |
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| FurnaceBoy | centrism, pragmatism -- all ways to rationalise not processing facts and doing nothing. | Oct 21 19:52 |
| schestowitz | yup | Oct 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Stop fighting | Oct 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Join the norm | Oct 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz | make 4 kids | Oct 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Buy 2 cars | Oct 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Work, die, kids will repeat | Oct 21 19:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, and it's encouraged by all the entities that profit by it up to and including MIC | Oct 21 19:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | media in between | Oct 21 19:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | media is really just a pinboard for the status quo | Oct 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz | They are also make it harder for those who resist | Oct 21 19:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | definitely | Oct 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Activists are less likely to have families | Oct 21 19:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's like trying to stop drowning with 100 million people pulling on your legs | Oct 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz | so their successors are coming from peers, not family | Oct 21 19:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | i just come out and state that they are part ofthe problem. | Oct 21 19:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | which they are. | Oct 21 19:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | they think they're not -- it's a comforting fantasy that they're not making things worse. but they are. | Oct 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to think I can carry on another 10 years with gutsy attitude | Oct 21 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Say what's true, not what's expected from normists | Oct 21 19:55 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <FurnaceBoy> media is really just a pinboard for the status quo | Oct 21 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Huff & Puff | Oct 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Controlled opposition | Oct 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz | gates one article... | Oct 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Next one from some 'consumer' group | Oct 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz | As long as they don't clash | Oct 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz | The business model of Huff is control | Oct 21 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Like to Facebook, LACK of privacy is the business model | Oct 21 19:57 |
| schestowitz | People go their to peek | Oct 21 19:57 |
| schestowitz | So to say they need to improve privacy issues is like telling a food factory to stop using biological materials of any kind | Oct 21 19:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, Huff and Puff is the so-called 'progressive' media but it's just a leg of the same monster. | Oct 21 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | they might as well put a NYT logo on their stuff, and of course they syndicate FOX | Oct 21 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | FOX calls teh shots | Oct 21 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Oct 21 19:58 |
| schestowitz | ;) | Oct 21 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Progressive | Oct 21 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | so HP is just a useful way of controlling the 'progressives' who haven't worked this out yet | Oct 21 19:58 |
| schestowitz | "Gentle capitalism" | Oct 21 19:58 |
| schestowitz | gates the progressive | Oct 21 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Oct 21 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Oh, we can have our cake and eat it." | Oct 21 19:58 |
| schestowitz | CLimbing to the top to fix society? LOL | Oct 21 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Capitalism will save us." | Oct 21 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: exactly. this lie makes me want to puke. | Oct 21 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Oct 21 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: notice that Gates never mentions war | Oct 21 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Warren too | Oct 21 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: or the military industrial complex | Oct 21 19:59 |
| schestowitz | You read about their trips to China | Oct 21 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I rather admire what Chinese do to them | Oct 21 19:59 |
| schestowitz | "Cut the PR..." | Oct 21 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | he;s part of it. he never mentions it the way fish don't know water is wet. | Oct 21 19:59 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: he mentioned nukes | Oct 21 20:00 |
| schestowitz | He brings his son to a nuclear site | Oct 21 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Hatford (??) | Oct 21 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Decommissioned IIRC | Oct 21 20:00 |
| schestowitz | I have some posts about it coming | Oct 21 20:00 |
| schestowitz | In draft, no time to publish yet | Oct 21 20:00 |
| schestowitz | "We need rescue from greed... don't worry, gates will figure a way to save us from them :-0" | Oct 21 20:01 |
| schestowitz | figure out even | Oct 21 20:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Oct 21 20:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but the problem of 'education reform' illuminates all the problems | Oct 21 20:02 |
| schestowitz | It's like running to the Nazi trench to ask for bandages | Oct 21 20:02 |
| schestowitz | "hey you..." | Oct 21 20:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: educating a public from the capricious largesse of a few billionaire plutocrats | Oct 21 20:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: as one of my twitter followers pointed out, | Oct 21 20:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | the problems with that approach are WHY public education was brought into existence. | Oct 21 20:02 |
| schestowitz | eduction? | Oct 21 20:03 |
| schestowitz | It's mind building | Oct 21 20:03 |
| schestowitz | but they make literate people, too | Oct 21 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Some is crucial | Oct 21 20:03 |
| schestowitz | A lot of dross | Oct 21 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Shaping character though curricula | Oct 21 20:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's worse than that | Oct 21 20:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | it wrong in every possible way | Oct 21 20:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | you don't just let the biggest criminal start dictating | Oct 21 20:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mean, it's traditional, | Oct 21 20:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | but it's uncivilised | Oct 21 20:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | we are supposed to not be doing this any more | Oct 21 20:06 |
| *FurnaceBoy sighs | Oct 21 20:06 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56616749#notice-57112494 "ha, sorry, was looking in the wrong place, you were asking about winamp on linux: Merely a point of curiosity." | Oct 21 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you know who' controlling education now | Oct 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | He makes propaganda films now too | Oct 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | "Waiting for Superman" | Oct 21 20:10 |
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| schestowitz | Gates=superman | Oct 21 20:10 |
| schestowitz | "An interesting coalition is forming around data-driven school reform. In the wake of the Los Angeles Times teacher quality data dump, NBC made what was essentially a weeklong infomerical for the excellent documentary Waiting for Superman, and Bill Gates announced that he was going to be dropping some more millions into education technology (for higher ed, but with more to come for K-12 later). Snazzy infographics are a nice | Oct 21 20:11 |
| schestowitz | early step." | Oct 21 20:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56621421#notice-57114954 "@schestowitz new face until Microsoft wags its finger at Dell" | Oct 21 20:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hacwxI88Iko | Oct 21 20:53 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes i know | Oct 21 20:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I still have this open in my browser. https://seattleducation2010.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/the-lines-of-influence-in-education-reform/ | Oct 21 20:55 |
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| schestowitz | OLD | Oct 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | They have newer ones | Oct 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I can't be asked to finish a long post I started about Gates | Oct 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | He took over US media recently | Oct 21 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Minimoney | Oct 21 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Buys so much power... | Oct 21 21:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: old? does that matter? | Oct 21 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: one day the 'old' links will be gone too | Oct 21 21:06 |
| Ender2070 | I was reading that Microsoft owns 90% of Monsanto? | Oct 21 21:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | cradle to grave. | Oct 21 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | preferably not too widely separated, and exploited all the way. | Oct 21 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | Soylent Green is people | Oct 21 21:09 |
| Ender2070 | Monsanto just purchased Blackwater too didn't they? | Oct 21 21:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're making it too easy :) | Oct 21 21:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | they should diversify... corrupt Greenpeace and have *it* buy some evil | Oct 21 21:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | would confuse the 'radicals' and 'extremists' on the left | Oct 21 21:19 |
| Ender2070 | greenpeace is already corrupt | Oct 21 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | it was corrupt from the start | Oct 21 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | Rockefeller & Ted Turner funded | Oct 21 21:20 |
| Ender2070 | and greenpeace was caught funding eco terrorists | Oct 21 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | w00t | Oct 21 21:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | well then | Oct 21 21:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | my ideas aren't wanted | Oct 21 21:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | :| | Oct 21 21:29 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 21 21:29 |
| Ender2070 | any others? | Oct 21 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | no. :/ | Oct 21 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think i'll just sit here depressed for a bit | Oct 21 21:29 |
| Ender2070 | nah think positive | Oct 21 21:29 |
| Ender2070 | CCTV bit the cops in the ass this time | Oct 21 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh? | Oct 21 21:29 |
| Ender2070 | in Australia | Oct 21 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | g20? | Oct 21 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh. | Oct 21 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | well australian cops are pretty fracked up. think an alberta the size of canada | Oct 21 21:30 |
| Ender2070 | they were caught on video torturing a guy | Oct 21 21:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | or, "english texas,' as some wag said. | Oct 21 21:30 |
| Ender2070 | no doubt they'll spin it as a positive for CCTV | Oct 21 21:30 |
| *FurnaceBoy sighs | Oct 21 21:31 | |
| FurnaceBoy | yes Melbourne is establishing cctv 'party zones' in its inner city. | Oct 21 21:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | as they say -- once the cameras come in, very hard to get them out | Oct 21 21:32 |
| *FurnaceBoy wonders if TO's g20 cameras are all gone | Oct 21 21:32 | |
| FurnaceBoy | these cameras are supposed to run face tracking | Oct 21 21:32 |
| Ender2070 | oh course | Oct 21 21:33 |
| Ender2070 | they'll know who you are based on facebook and other databases | Oct 21 21:33 |
| Ender2070 | facial recognition | Oct 21 21:33 |
| Ender2070 | it's going to be on bus cameras too when they add them | Oct 21 21:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh right, TTC already uses these. | Oct 21 21:34 |
| Ender2070 | it'll get added to brampton and mississauga soon too | Oct 21 21:34 |
| Ender2070 | if they dont all just merge into one | Oct 21 21:35 |
| Ender2070 | theres already the TTC pass which gets you on all 3 city bus types | Oct 21 21:35 |
| Ender2070 | eventually when everything is set up and you drop out of a pattern, the authorities will question you as to why | Oct 21 21:36 |
| Ender2070 | all for anti terrorism | Oct 21 21:37 |
| Ender2070 | hey furnaceboy, you ever learn in school what we did to get rights in the first place? | Oct 21 21:40 |
| Ender2070 | not trudeau stuff | Oct 21 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Oct 21 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | i mean, responsible government | Oct 21 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | we were going to rebel against the government | Oct 21 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | because it was so corrupt | Oct 21 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | the queen got involved and set up a system that gave us voting rights, etc | Oct 21 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | and in the beginning | Oct 21 21:42 |
| Ender2070 | it was all on a single stage, both candidates | Oct 21 21:42 |
| Ender2070 | all the voters crowded around the stage and shouted who they wanted to elect, and people kept screaming until they came to a consensus | Oct 21 21:42 |
| Ender2070 | sometimes one of the candidates was well funded and hired guys to beat people into voting for them | Oct 21 21:42 |
| Ender2070 | birth of canadian democracy | Oct 21 21:43 |
| Ender2070 | i learned that in high school civics class, its probably burried in the books now | Oct 21 21:44 |
| Ender2070 | trudeaumania and all in 2000 | Oct 21 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm, sounds like a stock exchange trading floor | Oct 21 21:44 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Oct 21 21:44 |
| Ender2070 | the more research I do into the history of this country and certain people, the more and more brainwashed I realize most people are | Oct 21 21:45 |
| Ender2070 | nobody seems to remember that the IMF already came into Canada to straighten out its books (back in 96) | Oct 21 21:46 |
| Ender2070 | they cut funding to health care, if you remember. they limited the number of hospital beds. | Oct 21 21:46 |
| Ender2070 | they also told the government to stop giving students grants, and instead offer studen loans | Oct 21 21:47 |
| Ender2070 | with compounded interest of course | Oct 21 21:47 |
| Ender2070 | have you seen "Oh Canada!" | Oct 21 21:47 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVBDwAuCdPw | Oct 21 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Oh Canada Movie 1 - Intro .::. Size~: 122.27 KB | Oct 21 21:48 |
| Ender2070 | its all about the private banks in Canada | Oct 21 21:48 |
| Ender2070 | they do exactly what the federal reserve in the USA does | Oct 21 21:49 |
| Ender2070 | 95% of money is privately loaned to us | Oct 21 21:49 |
| Ender2070 | Did you know Ignatieff is direct bloodline decendent of Tsar Nicolas II | Oct 21 21:53 |
| Ender2070 | (from Russia) | Oct 21 21:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Oct 21 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | but I did know that he's pretty blue blood Establishment. | Oct 21 21:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | hard to hide it :) | Oct 21 21:57 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Oct 21 21:58 |
| Ender2070 | he acts like it | Oct 21 21:58 |
| Ender2070 | hes teached at all the pro socialist schools too | Oct 21 21:59 |
| Ender2070 | hardvard, oxford, U of London, cambridge | Oct 21 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | harvard is socialist? | Oct 21 21:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | not all of it... | Oct 21 21:59 |
| Ender2070 | are you kidding | Oct 21 22:00 |
| Ender2070 | not all of it no | Oct 21 22:00 |
| Ender2070 | but it was one accused during the cold war of having communist professors | Oct 21 22:01 |
| Ender2070 | it also has a royal charter, as do the others I mentioned | Oct 21 22:01 |
| Ender2070 | you can download the movie for free | Oct 21 22:03 |
| Ender2070 | http://ohcanadamovie.com/ | Oct 21 22:03 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Oh Canada - Our Bought And Sold Out Land .::. Size~: 5.4 KB | Oct 21 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah i remember this link. | Oct 21 22:08 |
| Ender2070 | im downloading it | Oct 21 22:17 |
| Ender2070 | im going to buy it when im not so poor | Oct 21 22:18 |
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