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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: thanks for the link to http://www.libreidee.org/en/2010/09/chomsky-10-mosse-per-manipolare-ogni-giorno-la-verita/Oct 22 05:35
schestowitzYes, sums itupOct 22 05:35
qu1j0t3:)Oct 22 06:03
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I have some nice new friends in SAOct 22 06:06
schestowitzThanks to the siteOct 22 06:07
schestowitz" Dear Doctor Roy, [..] Remember to email me any text or presentation you give. I will really enjoy to make it available in Spanish."Oct 22 06:07
schestowitzThey send these to schools thereOct 22 06:07
qu1j0t3:)Oct 22 06:07
qu1j0t3excellent...Oct 22 06:07
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schestowitzRe: an article you should maybe readOct 22 07:31
schestowitz"Oct 22 07:31
schestowitzi know you're probably already on top of this, but i feel it's bigger than maybe half of your stories- hey that's a **good thing,** if every story was this big we might be in real trouble.Oct 22 07:31
schestowitzhttp://www.gnewbook.org/pg/blog/openuniverse/read/68026/software-patents-andor-weak-licensing-at-work (this is about oracle and project harmony)Oct 22 07:31
schestowitz"Oct 22 07:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: my mom just forwarded a TED link to meOct 22 14:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: about TEDprize for 'guerilla artist' JROct 22 14:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: who 'won't work with corporations'Oct 22 14:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: so,... i mentioned that the whole article is bookeneded by NYT link at the top, and 20-odd TED sponsor links at the bottom (all the usual suspects).. and that TED itself is owned by Gates...Oct 22 14:28
FurnaceBoy:|Oct 22 14:28
FurnaceBoy'guerilla' doesn't mean what it used to ehOct 22 14:28
FurnaceBoyi said 'today's guerilla seems to be domesticated'Oct 22 14:28
schestowitzThere's TedXRedmondOct 22 14:40
schestowitzSponsored by MicrosoftOct 22 14:40
schestowitzThey bring kids there to show them Microsoft waresOct 22 14:40
schestowitzI confronted the organiser on TwitterOct 22 14:41
schestowitzWhoever TED is (Stevens? :-) ) I already hate his guts. Elitist...Oct 22 14:41
schestowitzTed is to events what Arianna is to publishingOct 22 14:42
schestowitzI know it's an acronym BTW..Oct 22 14:42
schestowitzhttp://reason.com/archives/2010/10/18/tyranny-goes-globalOct 22 14:42
FurnaceBoyyesOct 22 14:50
FurnaceBoyexactlyOct 22 14:50
FurnaceBoyif your message is approved by the Establishment (including TED) then you are part of the problemOct 22 14:50
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TechrightsBot-scHello World!Oct 22 14:51
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 37.42 KBOct 22 14:51
FurnaceBoynobody who's part of the solution will get through the filters anywayOct 22 14:51
schestowitzArianna & TED Huffington Limited.Oct 22 14:51
FurnaceBoyi replied with that Chomsky linkOct 22 14:51
FurnaceBoyyesOct 22 14:51
FurnaceBoyand the top link on the page was NYT --Oct 22 14:52
FurnaceBoythis is significantOct 22 14:52
schestowitzSubsidiary of the Wonderful Charitable Foundation of People Who Earned Money to Save the World From GreedOct 22 14:52
FurnaceBoyanyone who still takes the NYT seriously (or even read it) are compromisedOct 22 14:52
FurnaceBoyit's right there front and central, MIC Propaganda Inc.Oct 22 14:52
schestowitzSometimes it's the best you haveOct 22 14:52
schestowitzLike if you look for good grammar :-)Oct 22 14:52
schestowitzThey also have nice photosOct 22 14:53
schestowitzAnd fontOct 22 14:53
FurnaceBoythe best money can buyOct 22 14:53
schestowitzYesOct 22 14:53
schestowitzWrite propaganda, thendecorate itOct 22 14:53
FurnaceBoythe globe and mail just did a pretty redesign.Oct 22 14:54
schestowitzLike taking dead horse, then use condiments on itOct 22 14:54
FurnaceBoythey're the ones reprinting Blair press releases and worseOct 22 14:54
schestowitzHeheOct 22 14:54
schestowitzBlair is a company?Oct 22 14:54
FurnaceBoyevery paper in canada uncritically printed Blair's PROct 22 14:54
schestowitzBlair Publishing Inc. - the world according to Poodle EnterprisesOct 22 14:54
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: you'll never fix the world's problemsOct 22 14:55
schestowitzNew ones crop up all the timeOct 22 14:56
schestowitzYou can die tryingOct 22 14:56
schestowitzWell, they all die eventually, so..Oct 22 14:56
MinceRLive Forever Or Die TryingOct 22 14:56
schestowitzMake sure you just enjoy fighting the good fightOct 22 14:56
schestowitzMinceR:  /forever/rich/Oct 22 14:56
schestowitzBut yours is funnyOct 22 14:57
schestowitzKurzweil lost his headOct 22 14:57
schestowitzOld "crank" as they call them in scienceOct 22 14:57
schestowitzHe too will die. despite his technobabbleOct 22 14:58
schestowitzWhy seek immortalityOct 22 14:58
schestowitzWe can make more cellsOct 22 14:58
MinceRunless immortality is developed in his lifespan and he gains access to itOct 22 14:58
schestowitzor make another nearly inentical new humanOct 22 14:58
schestowitzMinus the egoOct 22 14:58
MinceRwhat's the point then?Oct 22 14:59
schestowitzImagine having scum like David Rockefeller or Rothschild still aliveOct 22 14:59
MinceRalso, what happens to the consciousness? :>Oct 22 14:59
schestowitzThese people only accumulate more power over timeOct 22 14:59
schestowitzTheir death is a change to dismantle a bitOct 22 14:59
schestowitzLike presidencyOct 22 14:59
schestowitzWhy stop a person from running after 8 years...?Oct 22 14:59
schestowitz[14:59] <MinceR> also, what happens to the consciousness? :>Oct 22 14:59
schestowitzThe spirit?Oct 22 15:00
schestowitzThe soul/Oct 22 15:00
schestowitz:>Oct 22 15:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I know.Oct 22 15:00
MinceRnever mind :>Oct 22 15:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I'm not trying to.Oct 22 15:00
schestowitzWhen you die, you poop it invisiblyOct 22 15:00
MinceRoh, i think i can explainOct 22 15:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I'm just trying not to be a liar/killer/torturer/thiefOct 22 15:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: which is more than many can say :DOct 22 15:00
MinceRif we made a copy of your body, how could you assume control of it? :>Oct 22 15:00
schestowitzso soul=poopOct 22 15:00
schestowitzMinceR: DRM?Oct 22 15:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz | Imagine having scum like David Rockefeller or Rothschild still alive <--- we have worseOct 22 15:01
schestowitzOh wait... that too gets replicatedOct 22 15:01
schestowitzDRM+soulOct 22 15:01
schestowitzIt's that magical thingOct 22 15:01
schestowitzA placeholder... nobody can explain it... it's quantum something physics...Oct 22 15:01
schestowitz[15:01] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz | Imagine having scum like David Rockefeller or Rothschild still alive <--- we have worseOct 22 15:02
schestowitzYesOct 22 15:02
schestowitzThey multipliedOct 22 15:02
schestowitzNow they are dynasties... or nasties for shortOct 22 15:02
schestowitzhttp://blog.internetcases.com/2010/10/14/debt-collector-broke-the-law-by-using-myspace-photo-to-intimidate-consumer/Oct 22 15:05
TechrightsBot-scTitle:   MySpace intimidation | Internet Cases - Evan Brown, Chicago attorney internet and intellectual property .::. Size~: 40.04 KBOct 22 15:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I found another one.. New RepublicOct 22 15:10
FurnaceBoyhas article critical of Palin, but book-ended by large ads for Novartis and .. BP OilOct 22 15:11
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: want screenshot?Oct 22 15:11
schestowitzhttp://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/10/washington-post-editor-no-responding-to-critics-on-twitter-21988.htmlOct 22 15:14
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Washington Post editor: no responding to critics on Twitter | TBD.com .::. Size~: 44.42 KBOct 22 15:14
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: establishmentOct 22 15:14
FurnaceBoyyes WaPo isOct 22 15:14
schestowitzEw... NovartisOct 22 15:15
schestowitzMates of gatesOct 22 15:15
FurnaceBoyrightOct 22 15:15
schestowitzThey help each otherOct 22 15:15
schestowitzAll $$Oct 22 15:15
schestowitzAnd Myhrvold IIRCOct 22 15:15
schestowitzMaybe it was other big pharmasOct 22 15:15
schestowitzI think Novartis+IVOct 22 15:15
schestowitzpatentsOct 22 15:15
schestowitzWaPo board->gatesOct 22 15:15
schestowitzWell..Oct 22 15:16
schestowitzWa->gates for that matterOct 22 15:16
schestowitzCerished poppa...Oct 22 15:16
schestowitzHelp him by paying the tax he's exempt fromOct 22 15:16
schestowitzHe's too benevolent to be charged taxOct 22 15:16
schestowitzAnd if you don't believe it, he'll rent some papers+TV channels to brainwash youOct 22 15:17
FurnaceBoydamn, iOS gets 100 X the downloads I do. :/Oct 22 15:19
*FurnaceBoy reads schestowitz' article from RegOct 22 15:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the article sets up a false dichotomy.Oct 22 15:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the politburo analogy is worthlessOct 22 15:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: except to the extent that a PR junket is propaganda, but we know that, don't we? :)Oct 22 15:21
schestowitzWhich article/Oct 22 15:21
FurnaceBoyRegister vs JobsOct 22 15:21
FurnaceBoyyou dentedOct 22 15:21
schestowitzEw... JobsOct 22 15:21
schestowitzJeans JobsOct 22 15:21
schestowitzHe's a hard-working ill manOct 22 15:22
schestowitzLeave him alone, please!Oct 22 15:22
MinceRlet him die aloneOct 22 15:22
schestowitzLet him die in peace... the poor sodOct 22 15:22
schestowitzMinceR: FurnaceBoy is picking on him cause he's jealousOct 22 15:22
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: check @Symbolman's recent tweet about Bush, i laffed, but i can't RT because co-workers hang out in these circlesOct 22 15:22
FurnaceBoy:|Oct 22 15:22
schestowitzIf subject=rich, then critic(subject)=jealousOct 22 15:23
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: no, i'm picking on the article.Oct 22 15:23
MinceRschestowitz: yeah, rightOct 22 15:23
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the last sentence is bullshitOct 22 15:23
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: whose? Reg?Oct 22 15:23
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: annoying bullshit that we shouldn't let passOct 22 15:23
FurnaceBoyyesOct 22 15:23
schestowitzI have another article on Apple comingOct 22 15:23
MinceR"you shall not pass!"Oct 22 15:23
schestowitzJust finishing some reading ARMOct 22 15:23
schestowitzATMOct 22 15:23
schestowitzAnd I have a massive bit to do on GatesOct 22 15:23
FurnaceBoywell, nm, it's not important.Oct 22 15:23
schestowitzno time or desire to finishOct 22 15:24
schestowitzThe guy is oiling himselkfOct 22 15:24
schestowitzHe OWNS the pressOct 22 15:24
FurnaceBoyughOct 22 15:24
schestowitzYou can do all you want exoposing himOct 22 15:24
FurnaceBoyanother global BerlusconiOct 22 15:24
schestowitzhe then hired 10 writers in EACH newspapers to writer in each newspaper about how adoirable he isOct 22 15:24
schestowitzHis PR agents supply the "smiley" photosOct 22 15:24
schestowitzAnd it only costs him a fraction of what he earns fom Wal-Mart shares, interest (he pays no tax), patents...Oct 22 15:25
schestowitz.He broke the systemOct 22 15:25
FurnaceBoyyesOct 22 15:25
FurnaceBoyi've been saying that for yearsOct 22 15:25
FurnaceBoyit's obviousOct 22 15:26
FurnaceBoyit helps a lot to read what he says in courtOct 22 15:26
schestowitzEOF - Waving Goodbye to FacebookOct 22 15:26
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxjournal.com/article/10812Oct 22 15:26
FurnaceBoyyou?Oct 22 15:26
TechrightsBot-scTitle: EOF - Waving Goodbye to Facebook | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 61.51 KBOct 22 15:26
FurnaceBoyahOct 22 15:26
FurnaceBoyyesOct 22 15:26
FurnaceBoyfuck facebookOct 22 15:26
FurnaceBoyand fuck zuckOct 22 15:26
FurnaceBoywhat a piece of shit he isOct 22 15:26
schestowitzHe found a business modeOct 22 15:26
schestowitzSelling other people's private itemsOct 22 15:26
schestowitzThey can give him secrets for 'free'Oct 22 15:27
schestowitzHe monetises themOct 22 15:27
schestowitzAnd then the adorable chap gives money to schoolsOct 22 15:27
schestowitzhe ThinksAboutTheChildren(R)Oct 22 15:27
schestowitzHe killed privacy to help childrenOct 22 15:27
schestowitzModern-day Robin Hood :-)Oct 22 15:27
schestowitz"The company is far more interested in making you into better bait for advertisers and visitors who click on ads. A side benefit is “a smarter, personalized Web” that is not the Web at all, but rather an indoor commercial habitat with some nice conveniences. "Oct 22 15:29
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/17202/london_stock_exchange_moves_to_linuxOct 22 15:29
TechrightsBot-scTitle: London Stock Exchange moves to Linux - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 71.78 KBOct 22 15:29
FurnaceBoycommercial habitat, EXACTLY.Oct 22 15:29
schestowitzthey still sell the idea that LSE gives us all the moneyOct 22 15:29
FurnaceBoyA freaking ghetto.Oct 22 15:29
schestowitzThank the bankersOct 22 15:29
FurnaceBoyWeb as MALLOct 22 15:29
schestowitzWithout them, you'd be broke :-)Oct 22 15:29
schestowitzNo money to grow foodOct 22 15:29
schestowitzWhich brings me to the point..Oct 22 15:30
schestowitzDunno if you noticedOct 22 15:30
schestowitzGates helps banks enter countries that kept away from themOct 22 15:30
schestowitzThe Trojan is mobile phonesOct 22 15:30
schestowitzDebt for 'free'Oct 22 15:30
schestowitzWith a phone planOct 22 15:30
FurnaceBoy:|Oct 22 15:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: don't forget people like Queen RaniaOct 22 15:36
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Microsofts-Smear-Campaign-Against-OpenOfficeorg-71078.htmlOct 22 15:37
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Welcome to LinuxInsider .::. Size~: 2.84 KBOct 22 15:37
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: arghhh..Oct 22 15:37
schestowitzRania gates?Oct 22 15:37
FurnaceBoyyes.Oct 22 15:37
FurnaceBoyRania ParadeOct 22 15:37
schestowitzToo much around Redmond and GatesOct 22 15:37
schestowitzTwice this year at leastOct 22 15:37
schestowitzGates has many connections in the Middle EastOct 22 15:38
schestowitzThey love money and powerOct 22 15:38
schestowitzDoesn't matter how it's 'earned'Oct 22 15:38
schestowitzYou know... they call it "make a killing"Oct 22 15:38
schestowitzIIRC my article about Arianna had a headline about "making a killing"Oct 22 15:38
schestowitzNo killOct 22 15:38
schestowitzMaybe stompingOct 22 15:38
schestowitzor ruining people's livesOct 22 15:39
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/04/08/apple-lawsuit-settled/Oct 22 15:39
TechrightsBot-scTitle: How Apple Ruined an Employees and a Fans Life | Techrights .::. Size~: 106.5 KBOct 22 15:39
schestowitzHe mailed meOct 22 15:39
schestowitzit's like Foxconn in the USOct 22 15:39
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/20/canadian-govt-scient.htmlOct 22 15:40
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Canadian gov't scientists protest gag order, go straight to public with own website - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 77.1 KBOct 22 15:40
schestowitzDriving minus the blamOct 22 15:41
schestowitz*blame http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/10/our-little-i-miev-gets-dissed/Oct 22 15:41
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Our Little i-MiEV Gets Dissed | Autopia | Wired.com .::. Size~: 76.67 KBOct 22 15:41
schestowitzGreenwashingOct 22 15:41
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/20/facebook_games_maker_sued/Oct 22 15:41
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Facebook games maker sued in privacy flap • The Register .::. Size~: 27.28 KBOct 22 15:41
schestowitz"Zynga allegedly sent IDs for 218 million users"Oct 22 15:42
schestowitzhttp://consumerist.com/2010/10/samsung-blames-canada-for-your-monitor-problems.htmlOct 22 15:43
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Samsung Blames Canada For Your Monitor Problems - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 53.71 KBOct 22 15:43
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: we need a mapping of world illsOct 22 15:44
schestowitzNot completeOct 22 15:44
schestowitzJust contexual things in need of addressingOct 22 15:45
schestowitzLike monopolies circle containing copyright, patents, government-run franchises, erc.Oct 22 15:45
schestowitz*etc.Oct 22 15:45
schestowitzI think it can make a nice image once you put like 100 items in itOct 22 15:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: oh god, i just saw that Eco Detectives pageOct 22 15:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's HORRIBLE........ omg i weep for the futureOct 22 15:49
FurnaceBoyNOTHING about energy useOct 22 15:49
schestowitzMy linki?Oct 22 15:49
FurnaceBoynothing about packagingOct 22 15:49
schestowitzI commented in TwitterdenticaOct 22 15:49
FurnaceBoyrecyclingOct 22 15:49
schestowitzNoOct 22 15:49
FurnaceBoythat's a JOKE ,.... how terribly sadOct 22 15:49
schestowitzDog popOct 22 15:49
FurnaceBoyyes!Oct 22 15:49
schestowitzWhich degradesOct 22 15:49
FurnaceBoyi wanna cryOct 22 15:49
schestowitzWe humans are afraud of fecesOct 22 15:49
FurnaceBoyyour comment was so appropriateOct 22 15:50
schestowitzNot of plastics that are made to degrade over 100+ yearsOct 22 15:50
FurnaceBoyWHAT ABOUT CARSOct 22 15:50
FurnaceBoydrive less, consume less, reduce, reuse, recycleOct 22 15:50
schestowitzKids won't tell mommy to drive lessOct 22 15:50
schestowitzE.g. to drive 10 miles to barber shopOct 22 15:50
schestowitzHair salonOct 22 15:50
FurnaceBoythis is scandalousOct 22 15:50
FurnaceBoyyou shoudl do an article on thisOct 22 15:50
FurnaceBoyFLY LESSOct 22 15:50
FurnaceBoytake the trainOct 22 15:51
FurnaceBoytake the busOct 22 15:51
FurnaceBoyWALKOct 22 15:51
schestowitzWHAT?Oct 22 15:51
schestowitzChav!Oct 22 15:51
FurnaceBoystart telling kids that we're FUCKED because of oilOct 22 15:51
schestowitzSociety is structured to daemonise walkersOct 22 15:51
schestowitzCruise aroundOct 22 15:51
schestowitzHummerOct 22 15:51
schestowitzLet me find you a video you'd LOVEOct 22 15:51
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/04/13/chalmers-johnson/Oct 22 15:52
TechrightsBot-scTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Chalmers Johnson on Coming Change .::. Size~: 32.03 KBOct 22 15:52
schestowitzHe basically has this one talk he gives all over the placeOct 22 15:52
schestowitzI over-watched him, like I did ChomskyOct 22 15:52
schestowitzBut the point he makes is, there's this US stereotype of people overconsumingOct 22 15:52
schestowitzThe PR industry of Bernays made people admire and adore spendersOct 22 15:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you alreayd linked me to thisOct 22 15:53
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's been open in my browser for 6 monthsOct 22 15:54
FurnaceBoy:|Oct 22 15:54
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dx4o-TeMHys0&session_token=8NquHOZfUtg98vygL4OcT1AWZH18MTI4Nzg0NTc1MQ%3D%3DOct 22 16:00
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 303 See Other .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 22 16:00
schestowitzLOLOct 22 16:00
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veB-ln5mj60Oct 22 16:05
TechrightsBot-scTitle:     YouTube        - 35% Of Americans Are Stupid   .::. Size~: 144.69 KBOct 22 16:05
schestowitzNot for main channel..Oct 22 16:05
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56685795#notice-57180652 "I guess that is the way to make money. lol"Oct 22 16:31
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.92 KBOct 22 16:31
schestowitzNot so funny actuallyOct 22 16:31
schestowitz"Why had Twitter worked without oauth for the past 14 hours or so?" http://identi.ca/conversation/56685396#notice-57180665 "What does that mean?"Oct 22 16:32
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.82 KBOct 22 16:32
schestowitzFor us in IRC... we get some tweets for a whileOct 22 16:32
schestowitzOhh....me next to some big named... http://twitter.com/#!/laurelrusswurm/status/28403601186 "#FF Internet Freedom Fighters: @JesseBrown @StopActaNow @techdirt @juditrius @p2pnet @schestowitz @lessig @tom_watson @jerezim @EFF "Oct 22 16:38
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter .::. Size~: 40.79 KBOct 22 16:38
schestowitz*namesOct 22 16:38
schestowitzI'll FF her backOct 22 16:41
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