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| schestowitz | [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Do you believe? New today in Linux.com Store: "I Believe in Linux" mousemat. http://bit.ly/aKsVw3 #linux | Oct 23 04:39 |
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| schestowitz | Does one get a vasectomy with that? | Oct 23 04:39 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/28429198951 "@jamie_love In hours? U.S. public servants work at the weekends or take important decisions on friday? #weird #acta" | Oct 23 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | ACTA from back door | Oct 23 08:02 |
| schestowitz | Weekend | Oct 23 08:02 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q48bVc_KSIQ&feature=related | Oct 23 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | ender recommended it | Oct 23 12:45 |
| schestowitz | It's OK | Oct 23 12:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: sft[identica] | Oct 23 12:46 |
| MinceR | huh? | Oct 23 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Are the numbers accurate, FurnaceBoy? | Oct 23 12:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nm, it's funny | Oct 23 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Einstein : Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results | Oct 23 12:55 |
| MinceR | gizmodo sucks >> http://www.reddit.com/r/geek/comments/dv7u2/gizmodo_will_not_review_the_nokia_n8/ | Oct 23 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | Remember that guy who published a FUD piece in IDG? | Oct 23 15:05 |
| MinceR | which one? :> | Oct 23 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Robert | Oct 23 15:07 |
| schestowitz | He mailed me | Oct 23 15:07 |
| schestowitz | BTW: "It's ok Gizmodo, the whole tech world thinks you're irrelevant too." | Oct 23 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Oct 23 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, he's resorting to the whole "conspiracy" talk | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll paste... | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Subject: Your post about me | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | From: Robert Strohmeyer <rstrohmeyer@pcworld.com> | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | To: roy@schestowitz.com | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Hi, Roy. I ran across your post about me on TechRights, and thought I'd take a moment to fill a few gaps in your understanding. In general, I think it's a pretty far stretch to say that I'm anything like a "Microsoft attack dog" or "Microsoft booster." If you'd actually taken the time to google me or read any of my other work, you'd likely agree that I'm anything but. | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | As a user, I spend maybe a third of my time in Windows. Mostly I use Macs, and I still like to run Ubuntu when I'm not doing something it doesn't support (such as editing in InDesign or Photoshop, or watching movies on Netflix). | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | It's true that I was the editor of the official Vista mag. I held that job for a little under a year (ending in mid-2007), because Vista was a flop and nobody was all that interested in subscribing to a magazine about it (such is the nature of tech publishing). It's worth noting that the magazine was not published by Microsoft, and that Microsoft had no direct input on its content. It was actually published by a company | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | called Future, which also publishes MacLife and Maximum PC (neither of which can be reasonably accused of having a pro-Microsoft agenda, and both of which I have also contributed to). Future licensed the name "Windows Vista: The Official Magazine" from Microsoft on the bet that Vista would be a big deal, and I believe they paid Microsoft for the privilege, not the other way around. I have never had any direct relationship | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | with Microsoft beyond the standard fare of PR and marketing contacts that all tech journalists maintain. | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | In addition to my brief tenure on the Vista mag, I've contributed to dozens of other tech publications over the last 15 years. While most of my work has been for mainstream audiences and therefore revolved primarily around Windows and Mac, I've written lots of Linux content, much of which--to my slight professional embarrassment--reveals my strong personal sympathy for Linux and open source. At PCWorld (where I've worked | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | since late 2007), I advocated for and launched our Linux Line blog and have written a number of very positive articles about Linux and open source. (You could have discovered all of this for yourself in about 10 minutes had you done even the slightest bit of research about me before writing your paranoid little hit piece.) | Oct 23 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I've been in this business since the mid-90s, and I've said a lot of positive and negative things about pretty much every major technology product that's come to market (or failed to) in that time. And in that time, I've often marveled at how quickly people resort to lame ad-hominem attacks when calling out their disagreement with something they've read in a tech publication. Without fail, every single time I write something | Oct 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | positive about Windows or negative about Mac or Linux, people come out of the woodwork to call me a schill or a Microsoft fanboy. When I say something negative about Windows, a few hundred people jump in to point out what a Linux fanboy I am, or assert that I've somehow been bought and paid for by Apple. This sort of irrational nonsense is to be expected from random commenters, but a professional researcher such as yourself | Oct 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | ought to have the critical thinking skills to look past such fallacies. | Oct 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Overall, I'm a little disappointed to see a professional "interdisciplinary researcher" with a doctorate in medical biophysics fall so easily into paranoid conspiracy-theory thinking like "Last week we saw anti-OpenOffice.org videos from Microsoft, now this FUD… same day as Bill Gates’ successor falling on his sword. Coincidence?" | Oct 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Roy. It's a coincidence. Steve Ballmer doesn't ring me on the batphone whenever he gets into trouble. Do you apply this kind of half-witted conspiratorial thinking to all of your research? | Oct 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | On balance, Roy, it appears that one of us does indeed have a deep bias and is choosing to use his soapbox to publish misleading statements that support his agenda. But that person isn't me, Roy. It's you. | Oct 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | __ | Oct 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Robert Strohmeyer | Executive Editor, PCWorld | Oct 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 23 15:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | 'I tried Linux, butt [sic]' troll IIMHO | Oct 23 15:10 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | I know the type | Oct 23 15:10 |
| MinceR | also, the usual "i'm not pro-m$, i also use macs! hail usian megacorps!" | Oct 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | And he mailed me for no reason, I didn't ask for feedback | Oct 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | "into paranoid conspiracy-theory thinking" | Oct 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | "Whoa! You must think ninjas planted dynamite in WTO" | Oct 23 15:11 |
| MinceR | if all someone remembers about gnu/linux is "ubuntu", they shouldn't write articles about it. | Oct 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Da Costa Dee MVP also uses Ubuntu | Oct 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | And Yuhoung | Oct 23 15:11 |
| schestowitz | He says he's a Linux (kernel) hacker | Oct 23 15:11 |
| MinceR | as in 'installed it once in m$ Virtual PC'? | Oct 23 15:12 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | But I asked further question | Oct 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | And he lied, of course | Oct 23 15:12 |
| MinceR | who says that, yuhong? | Oct 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | yes | Oct 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | You musta' missed it | Oct 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | We basically did some probing of him. | Oct 23 15:12 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | He left embarrassed not cause we were rude | Oct 23 15:12 |
| schestowitz | We had hi admit he was a phony | Oct 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Poser | Oct 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | I'm compiling my own kernel | Oct 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | I wget from kernel.org | Oct 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | I remove some comment lines | Oct 23 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Then I let it compile (my own kernel) | Oct 23 15:13 |
| MinceR | then i'm more of a kernel hacker than yuhong | Oct 23 15:13 |
| *schestowitz feels l33t | Oct 23 15:14 | |
| MinceR | i added a usb device identifier to a driver and recompiled it :> | Oct 23 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Simpler than hacking Registry | Oct 23 15:14 |
| schestowitz | I never did that | Oct 23 15:14 |
| schestowitz | Actually, I'm a boor when it come to securing WIndows | Oct 23 15:14 |
| schestowitz | As I never did that | Oct 23 15:14 |
| MinceR | i can easily secure winblows | Oct 23 15:14 |
| schestowitz | In WIn98 days there were barely things like Patch Tuesday even | Oct 23 15:15 |
| MinceR | all i need is a debian install disc | Oct 23 15:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 23 15:15 |
| schestowitz | SOme people know where to download Windows AV programs | Oct 23 15:15 |
| schestowitz | I recognise some brand names | Oct 23 15:15 |
| schestowitz | "Mac, Linux security products 'for compliance', says vendor http://ur1.ca/25lgi Placebo effect" | Oct 23 15:15 |
| schestowitz | basically in the news: | Oct 23 15:15 |
| ender2070 | "I have never had any direct relationship with Microsoft beyond the standard fare of PR and marketing contacts that all tech journalists maintain." | Oct 23 15:16 |
| ender2070 | bam, admission | Oct 23 15:16 |
| MinceR | i could find ClamWin if i needed it :> | Oct 23 15:16 |
| schestowitz | something like, "it's doesn't do anything, but the sheet says we need to tick an "AV installed" box' | Oct 23 15:16 |
| ender2070 | all PR from microsoft is what we would expect | Oct 23 15:16 |
| MinceR | surprising to see such an admission from mcafee | Oct 23 15:17 |
| schestowitz | The Windows fans have used those AV things for Mac and Linux as 'proof' EVERYTHING is not secure | Oct 23 15:17 |
| MinceR | (known to the germans as McAffe :> ) | Oct 23 15:17 |
| schestowitz | BTW, my sister loves Sintel and the soundtrack, sharing it now with friend and stuff :-0 | Oct 23 15:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: letters like that are to be ignored | Oct 23 15:17 |
| MinceR | well, nothing is perfectly secure, but there's an enormous gap between winblows and gnu/linux | Oct 23 15:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: he sent it to satisfy himself | Oct 23 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Really mcafee ceased there kernel module for realtime scanning on linux. | Oct 23 15:18 |
| oiaohm | So they could not say anything to bad. | Oct 23 15:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: as an alternative to asking himself if your claims had merit | Oct 23 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Particuarly thinking fanotify is not quite ready yete. | Oct 23 15:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: it's not like they can't do anything about that | Oct 23 15:18 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: see the earlier part | Oct 23 15:19 |
| MinceR | patches are welcome, afaik | Oct 23 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie macaffee basically backed themselves into a conner so truth was the simplest way out. | Oct 23 15:19 |
| schestowitz | " I have never had any direct relationship with Microsoft beyond the standard fare of PR and marketing contacts that all tech journalists maintain." | Oct 23 15:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes I saw. | Oct 23 15:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | sucking from the teat | Oct 23 15:19 |
| MinceR | that's no teat | Oct 23 15:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 23 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Cow's teat | Oct 23 15:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Hm, I wonder what I can get if I publicly promote microsoft" | Oct 23 15:20 |
| schestowitz | $400ml | Oct 23 15:20 |
| schestowitz | For a f'kin phone | Oct 23 15:20 |
| MinceR | no, it's a penis | Oct 23 15:20 |
| MinceR | i know, proteins come out of both... | Oct 23 15:20 |
| oiaohm | fanotity has gone for a userspace interface review at the last state of 2.6.36 kernel. MinceR | Oct 23 15:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: same with Mincers | Oct 23 15:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I like the way he tries to invalidate your views as being unworthy of an "interdisciplinary researcher" | Oct 23 15:21 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: only if that went in | Oct 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | From mincers comes more dead cells, though | Oct 23 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Yes very last stage. All of fanotity is in 2.6.36 bar the userinterfance to use it. MinceR | Oct 23 15:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: as in, "you really shouldn't be allowed to think and write this" | Oct 23 15:21 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so crapware will soon come to oem gnu/linux desktops? :> | Oct 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: look at the originals | Oct 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I made no false claims | Oct 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | And he names none | Oct 23 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Most likely 2.6.27 and latter. MinceR | Oct 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I didn't call him a shill | Oct 23 15:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: right, it's normal for this type of letter | Oct 23 15:21 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: now you can! | Oct 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I just presented his background | Oct 23 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Also fanotify does away with inotify for file indexing and the like MinceR | Oct 23 15:21 |
| schestowitz | and he confirms I was right | Oct 23 15:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's just something to make him feel good | Oct 23 15:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: "ah! i've refuted that liar, now i can relax" | Oct 23 15:22 |
| schestowitz | He's angry cause he was force to view a mirror | Oct 23 15:22 |
| schestowitz | *forced | Oct 23 15:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | exactly, schestowitz | Oct 23 15:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | introspection: none. letters written: one. | Oct 23 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Long one | Oct 23 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Also IBM has a nice magic trick form use of fanotify as well. You access directory files from server get copied to local machine to populate directory while application is paused. | Oct 23 15:22 |
| schestowitz | He wasted time | Oct 23 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Could write another hit piece in that time | Oct 23 15:23 |
| schestowitz | it's easy | Oct 23 15:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | I got one like this about my Bad Vista logo on my site | Oct 23 15:23 |
| schestowitz | He reused the old talking points from Microsoft | Oct 23 15:23 |
| schestowitz | He could also take the rebuttals and reverse-engineer those | Oct 23 15:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | i probably have a copy | Oct 23 15:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | i 'll forward it to you | Oct 23 15:23 |
| schestowitz | I never wrote a myths article.... there are thousands of those | Oct 23 15:23 |
| schestowitz | New ones every week... | Oct 23 15:23 |
| schestowitz | "Linux is more secure cause.... package management is better cause... yada yada" | Oct 23 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Better to study the anatomy of their RP system..." | Oct 23 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Dissect and publish | Oct 23 15:24 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: nice film that Oh Canada | Oct 23 15:24 |
| schestowitz | I'm in part 4 now | Oct 23 15:24 |
| ender2070 | :) | Oct 23 15:24 |
| schestowitz | It's outrageous | Oct 23 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Linux has rage of secuirty from the totally busted to the highly secure. | Oct 23 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Funny how the mayor fled | Oct 23 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Depending on the distributions and user configuration. | Oct 23 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Had got a phone call.... what a life saver | Oct 23 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's the wrong debate | Oct 23 15:27 |
| oiaohm | rage/range | Oct 23 15:27 |
| schestowitz | at this moment I do a post about swpats | Oct 23 15:27 |
| schestowitz | BSA, mobbyists, etc. | Oct 23 15:27 |
| schestowitz | They use laws against Linux | Oct 23 15:27 |
| schestowitz | SCO too | Oct 23 15:27 |
| schestowitz | It's like trying to fight bailouts through politicians | Oct 23 15:27 |
| oiaohm | Windows can never be totally secure for outsiders. Since you don't have the key right of audit code base for errors. | Oct 23 15:28 |
| schestowitz | The 'delivery people' of corrupt financial intituations | Oct 23 15:28 |
| schestowitz | The 'shadow cast upon the people' | Oct 23 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Public figure=Harper, Obama... | Oct 23 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Shadowy people= Rockefeller, Slim, Rothschild... | Oct 23 15:28 |
| schestowitz | The public figures appear in the headlines | Oct 23 15:28 |
| schestowitz | The others less so | Oct 23 15:28 |
| oiaohm | I remember the win MS and other closed source managed on the USA removing the rainbow secuirty books for secure system design. | Oct 23 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Same with Microsoft.... | Oct 23 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | People don't blame the real players... | Oct 23 15:29 |
| oiaohm | So changing accross to a system were source code auditing was not required. | Oct 23 15:29 |
| schestowitz | They throw FUD at Windows | Oct 23 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Instead of the mechanism which keeps it going | Oct 23 15:29 |
| oiaohm | Few years latter USA goverment is having major secuirty problems. | Oct 23 15:29 |
| ender2070 | Bill Gates owns 90% of Monsanto | Oct 23 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Secret OEM deals, moles, bribes... | Oct 23 15:29 |
| oiaohm | No one has gone back and gone opps we should never have changed those rules. | Oct 23 15:29 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: I heard it, not seen proof | Oct 23 15:29 |
| ender2070 | Monsanto just bought XE Services (Blackwater) | Oct 23 15:30 |
| schestowitz | I heard it about Microsoft | Oct 23 15:30 |
| schestowitz | But Gates owns little of Monsanto | Oct 23 15:30 |
| schestowitz | And it goes back to days before Microsoft | Oct 23 15:30 |
| ender2070 | people say microsoft when they mean gates | Oct 23 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Rockefellers with Green Revolution and AGRA are more likely to own a lot of it | Oct 23 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Problem is lot of gates actions today are to help MS and his other interests. ender2070 | Oct 23 15:30 |
| ender2070 | I know Rockefeller funded eco terrorism under Greenpeace | Oct 23 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Gates FOundation is euphemism for Bill's bank account, which is special cause no tax is spent there and Warren pools his wealth in this haven too | Oct 23 15:31 |
| ender2070 | along with Ted Turner | Oct 23 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Define eco terrorism | Oct 23 15:31 |
| ender2070 | people should watch Captain Planet | Oct 23 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Oct 23 15:31 |
| ender2070 | it's full of Gia earth worship | Oct 23 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Greenpeace | Oct 23 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Turner is an idiot | Oct 23 15:31 |
| schestowitz | I once read about his investments | Oct 23 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Greenpeace is one of the least hostile. | Oct 23 15:32 |
| schestowitz | And he's scientifically illiterate | Oct 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Ok annoying but normally not hostile. | Oct 23 15:32 |
| ender2070 | same with Al Gore - scientifically illiterate | Oct 23 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 23 15:32 |
| ender2070 | had a ghost writer write his book | Oct 23 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Sensationalist | Oct 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Sea sheepeds on the other hand. You might be able to call them terrorism. | Oct 23 15:32 |
| schestowitz | But a front man for a cause | Oct 23 15:32 |
| schestowitz | He helped make funds for the Internet | Oct 23 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Thinking they have prototyped ship sinking or stoping weapons. | Oct 23 15:32 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - greenpeace went to court over funding eco terrorism with money they received from rockefellar | Oct 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | His axaggeration does a disservice to climatologists | Oct 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | He makes films | Oct 23 15:33 |
| ender2070 | 5 minute google search can find it | Oct 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Like he's some Moore | Oct 23 15:33 |
| ender2070 | they couldnt balance their books properly because of it and the IRS fucked them | Oct 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | rockefellar, eh? | Oct 23 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Ok what did they do what was terrorism. ender2070 | Oct 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Mind you, Greenspeace attacks nuclear energy | Oct 23 15:33 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem I have. | Oct 23 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Proesting is not terrorism | Oct 23 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Rockefeller must not like nuclear alts | Oct 23 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Terrorism by define requires physical action. | Oct 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Of some form that is damaging. | Oct 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Greenpeace sabotages some BP equipment recently | Oct 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | They also attached some buoy to a ships anchor | Oct 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Not that I have seen reported. | Oct 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | *ship's | Oct 23 15:34 |
| ender2070 | it wasnt protesting | Oct 23 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Got arrested | Oct 23 15:34 |
| ender2070 | they were caught funding violent supporters | Oct 23 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Publicity stunts | Oct 23 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Not so much protesting | Oct 23 15:35 |
| schestowitz | And dangerous too | Oct 23 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Then you have the two anti-whaling folks in Japan | Oct 23 15:35 |
| schestowitz | They made the headlines they craved | Oct 23 15:35 |
| schestowitz | But the media daemonised them | Oct 23 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Pro-nature="terrorist" | Oct 23 15:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Oct 23 15:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's the agenda | Oct 23 15:36 |
| ender2070 | im talking about the people who tried to cause damage | Oct 23 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Sea sheepered is a interesting one. Lot of there attacks have been inside Australian waters were whale hunting is illegal. | Oct 23 15:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | demonise dissent | Oct 23 15:36 |
| oiaohm | The japan ships are the illegal ones. | Oct 23 15:36 |
| ender2070 | i dont think pro nature = terrorist in the media anymore | Oct 23 15:36 |
| oiaohm | And they get up australian goverment for broadcasting there locations. | Oct 23 15:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: sadly it is | Oct 23 15:37 |
| ender2070 | no not at all | Oct 23 15:37 |
| ender2070 | the green agenda is in full swing | Oct 23 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | i continue to see it | Oct 23 15:37 |
| ender2070 | its those who are climate change skeptics which are becoming terrorists | Oct 23 15:37 |
| schestowitz | This whole thing discourages people from fighting for the environment, i.e. their children's future (if they have any under the CHinese model which pays to sterilise) | Oct 23 15:38 |
| MinceR | i wish we had the chinese model | Oct 23 15:39 |
| ender2070 | oh god | Oct 23 15:39 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: many are funded by the oil giants | Oct 23 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Like Tea Party | Oct 23 15:39 |
| MinceR | we have a 'taxpayers pay for you to have more children' model instead | Oct 23 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | there definitely need to be disincentives to breed, instead of incentives as right-wing pushes | Oct 23 15:39 |
| schestowitz | They, in turn, misinform their surroundings | Oct 23 15:39 |
| ender2070 | see what happens | Oct 23 15:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's a problem | Oct 23 15:40 |
| schestowitz | The economy needs more people | Oct 23 15:40 |
| schestowitz | To pay back the debt | Oct 23 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Inflation in worker is necessary | Oct 23 15:40 |
| ender2070 | heres what happens | Oct 23 15:40 |
| MinceR | the chinese model we will adopt instead of this is the one of internet censorship, it seems | Oct 23 15:40 |
| schestowitz | But the environment can't take it and they are increasingly harder to feed. Wait till Peak Oil hits. | Oct 23 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Or hyperinflation affecting food prices | Oct 23 15:40 |
| ender2070 | your country adopts the chinese model, instead of births in your country they have to immigrate more people | Oct 23 15:40 |
| schestowitz | So we're stuck with banks vs environment | Oct 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | viktor the first is extending the scope of censorship | Oct 23 15:41 |
| ender2070 | then your culture dies | Oct 23 15:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Oct 23 15:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: you're canadian, right? | Oct 23 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Pay back debt vs save planet from over-consumption | Oct 23 15:41 |
| ender2070 | yes | Oct 23 15:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: you you HONESTLY think any culture is under threat here? | Oct 23 15:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | do* | Oct 23 15:41 |
| ender2070 | there is no canadian culture | Oct 23 15:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | QED | Oct 23 15:41 |
| ender2070 | yes i do | Oct 23 15:41 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 23 15:41 |
| schestowitz | the 'open source' community | Oct 23 15:41 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Oct 23 15:41 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Oct 23 15:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | US and Canada has benefited HUGELY from immigration in terms of culture | Oct 23 15:41 |
| schestowitz | The 'black' agenda | Oct 23 15:42 |
| ender2070 | other culters | Oct 23 15:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's the only thing they have going for it, really | Oct 23 15:42 |
| ender2070 | cultures | Oct 23 15:42 |
| ender2070 | i dont want other peoples cultures i want my own | Oct 23 15:42 |
| schestowitz | The 'Soviet' plot (Red Threat) | Oct 23 15:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | without hispanics the US would just be a bunch of fat white stupid people | Oct 23 15:42 |
| ender2070 | its sad when people call ME rare | Oct 23 15:42 |
| ender2070 | a canadian-canadian | Oct 23 15:42 |
| ender2070 | they call me | Oct 23 15:42 |
| MinceR | spreading and mixing is a good thing for cultures anyway | Oct 23 15:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: You are not threatened by immigration. | Oct 23 15:42 |
| ender2070 | yes I am | Oct 23 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | why do you think that? | Oct 23 15:43 |
| ender2070 | they come here and vote for socialist leaders | Oct 23 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...? | Oct 23 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | and who was elected ? | Oct 23 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | your fascist scum | Oct 23 15:43 |
| ender2070 | look at Tony Clement | Oct 23 15:43 |
| ender2070 | hes not canadian | Oct 23 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, don't worry, bigots are safely in power, relax! | Oct 23 15:43 |
| MinceR | there's not that much of a difference between fascist scum and socialist scum, though | Oct 23 15:43 |
| ender2070 | im not a bigot | Oct 23 15:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: um, we're talking about Canada | Oct 23 15:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: I didn't say you were. | Oct 23 15:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: but look who was elected | Oct 23 15:44 |
| ender2070 | im not against all immigration, it needs to be slowed down | Oct 23 15:44 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: is canada really all that different? | Oct 23 15:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: not socialist, for a start. | Oct 23 15:44 |
| ender2070 | look at Tony Clement though, one of the most evil people in politics | Oct 23 15:44 |
| schestowitz | [15:44] <FurnaceBoy> ender2070: but look who was elected | Oct 23 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't matter who gets elected | Oct 23 15:44 |
| ender2070 | hes NOT canadian | Oct 23 15:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I know | Oct 23 15:44 |
| schestowitz | People who run countries don't get elected | Oct 23 15:44 |
| ender2070 | yet he gets to decide for Canadians, that we have to bend over for the RIAA and other media companies | Oct 23 15:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ender2070 was talking about voting | Oct 23 15:45 |
| ender2070 | look at Ignatieff | Oct 23 15:45 |
| ender2070 | hes a direct blood line decendant to the old russian aristocracy | Oct 23 15:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, yes | Oct 23 15:45 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: people in Sweden don't vote | Oct 23 15:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | so he's the socialist they vote for/????/ | Oct 23 15:45 |
| schestowitz | They are also scarcely theistic | Oct 23 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | is Ignatieff the socialist you're afraid of? | Oct 23 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | or who? | Oct 23 15:46 |
| schestowitz | And quite socialist | Oct 23 15:46 |
| ender2070 | you have all these people coming into the country, running for politics and bringing socialist policy into Canada | Oct 23 15:46 |
| schestowitz | They seem to be enlightened | Oct 23 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and reputedly very racist | Oct 23 15:46 |
| schestowitz | And voting relates to faith | Oct 23 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: socialist policy????? | Oct 23 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: where? | Oct 23 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Thinking that some logo with motto determines policty | Oct 23 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: you hated Trudeau, I take it? | Oct 23 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Like the Palin/Obama drones | Oct 23 15:46 |
| ender2070 | yes | Oct 23 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | okay then | Oct 23 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, maybe Canada isn't for you :) | Oct 23 15:46 |
| ender2070 | he brought Canada a lot closer to world government | Oct 23 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's Texas ! | Oct 23 15:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC went house to house shilling for Obama | Oct 23 15:47 |
| ender2070 | massive debt | Oct 23 15:47 |
| schestowitz | And later felt like a tool when I told him | Oct 23 15:47 |
| ender2070 | trudeau brought the country to its knees for the IMF | Oct 23 15:47 |
| oiaohm | http://css3wizardry.com/2010/08/14/ie9-is-the-ie6-of-css3/ good compare. | Oct 23 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | Cause Obama changed too little | Oct 23 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: do you like Harper? He's bankrupting Canada too. | Oct 23 15:47 |
| ender2070 | no i dont | Oct 23 15:47 |
| ender2070 | i dont like any politician | Oct 23 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | well that's a pickle. | Oct 23 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't either, btw | Oct 23 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Oct 23 15:47 |
| ender2070 | they're all helping the socialist agenda | Oct 23 15:47 |
| MinceR | firefox is missing from that picture. | Oct 23 15:47 |
| ender2070 | a one world socialist utopia under a single government | Oct 23 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | socialist utopia? is Obama in on this? | Oct 23 15:48 |
| ender2070 | you can have socialism in a free country, but you can't have freedom in a socialist country | Oct 23 15:48 |
| MinceR | how can you have socialism in a free country? | Oct 23 15:49 |
| MinceR | force people to pay for the living of others while not forcing people to pay for the living of others? :> | Oct 23 15:49 |
| MinceR | having the state take ownership of everything from the supposedly "free" people? :> | Oct 23 15:50 |
| ender2070 | because socialism in a free country isn't 100% | Oct 23 15:50 |
| ender2070 | but if its taken over | Oct 23 15:50 |
| ender2070 | theres no freedom anymore | Oct 23 15:50 |
| ender2070 | look at the charter of rights we got | Oct 23 15:51 |
| ender2070 | no property rights | Oct 23 15:51 |
| ender2070 | and each right is 'limited by the extent of law' | Oct 23 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: any news from trmanco | Oct 23 15:52 |
| ender2070 | meaning, if the USA had our rights setup, you couldn't use freedom of speech in court in most cases | Oct 23 15:52 |
| ender2070 | look at the human rights commission cases in Canada | Oct 23 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: I guess it's hard to get into the 'my culture is threatened' headspace, because I'm an immigrant - I have nothing to defend. I came here because I find Trudeau's Canada more agreeable than the country I left. If Harperism does not end, though, I will have to leave. | Oct 23 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | ..since there are countries that aren't so fucked. | Oct 23 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | dozens. | Oct 23 15:53 |
| ender2070 | i dont have anything against immigrants like I said | Oct 23 15:53 |
| ender2070 | it just needs to be slowed down | Oct 23 15:53 |
| ender2070 | the country is being flooded | Oct 23 15:53 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: not in a while, I hope he's doing OK. Maybe you can pay him a visit | Oct 23 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, but i can't even get into the 'i am threatened' headspace at all. | Oct 23 15:53 |
| ender2070 | they expect 300,000 more people in Peel Region by next year | Oct 23 15:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | (except by goddamn Harper) | Oct 23 15:54 |
| ender2070 | but they dont add any new roads or services, they dont receive extra funding for government services either | Oct 23 15:54 |
| ender2070 | so our taxes have to go up | Oct 23 15:54 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: he's trmanco on Twitter | Oct 23 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Just published http://techrights.org/2010/10/23/sco-and-software-patents-phase/ with link to Oh Canada, the film | Oct 23 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: From Copyrights to Patents: How Software Patents Became the Top Linux Issue | Techrights .::. Size~: 105.67 KB | Oct 23 15:55 |
| ender2070 | try driving from mississauga to toronto every day for work | Oct 23 15:55 |
| ender2070 | the traffic is insane | Oct 23 15:55 |
| ender2070 | and its going to get worse | Oct 23 15:55 |
| ender2070 | FurnaceBoy - i mean the culture of canadian-canadians | Oct 23 15:55 |
| ender2070 | beer drinking, maple syrup drinking, hockey playing canadians | Oct 23 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: car-centrism is insane. | Oct 23 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: it's not threatened. it's in your head :) | Oct 23 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: but as an immigrant that kind of thinking is quite a stretch for me | Oct 23 15:56 |
| ender2070 | car centrism? | Oct 23 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: it should be obvious why | Oct 23 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, car centrism is the problem | Oct 23 15:56 |
| ender2070 | well yeah if i went to someone elses country id think like you | Oct 23 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | well yes | Oct 23 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: that 's the point. what about "MY" "culture" ? :) | Oct 23 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: i walked out on it like a 1st marriage :D | Oct 23 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: because, frankly, i dont give a fuck. i think patriotism, nationalism are sicknesses. | Oct 23 15:57 |
| ender2070 | which culture did you adopt | Oct 23 15:57 |
| ender2070 | consumerism ? | Oct 23 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | NONE. | Oct 23 15:57 |
| ender2070 | ;) | Oct 23 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | and certainly not consumerism. | Oct 23 15:57 |
| ender2070 | most people drop their cultures and move to consumerism | Oct 23 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Oct 23 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | i know. | Oct 23 15:57 |
| ender2070 | buy buy buy spend spend spend | Oct 23 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've seen it around the world | Oct 23 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've seen the damage | Oct 23 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | the fucked up kids in jeans in bangalore | Oct 23 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | the walmarts in mexico | Oct 23 15:58 |
| ender2070 | what do you mean about car centrism though | Oct 23 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | the walmarts in canada for that matter | Oct 23 15:58 |
| ender2070 | cause i know its a soviet idea to get people out of vehicles | Oct 23 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: Car is King. that's why transport is broken. | Oct 23 15:58 |
| ender2070 | its in Agenda 21 | Oct 23 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: i've been to moscow many times. their car problem is much worse than ours :) | Oct 23 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | but they have a magnificent metro | Oct 23 15:59 |
| ender2070 | in the soviet area? | Oct 23 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is always FULL | Oct 23 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: 'soviet area' are you kidding? | Oct 23 15:59 |
| ender2070 | era | Oct 23 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | era | Oct 23 15:59 |
| ender2070 | during the communism regime | Oct 23 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, i never went there then | Oct 23 15:59 |
| ender2070 | it was essential vehicles only | Oct 23 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | good idea | Oct 23 15:59 |
| ender2070 | only the people in government had cars | Oct 23 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | cars are almost #1 of mankind's stupid ideas | Oct 23 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe #2 | Oct 23 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | #1 being nuclear weapons | Oct 23 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | #3 being Stephen Harper | Oct 23 16:00 |
| ender2070 | you got the leader of the UN climate researchers owning gas guzzlers he drives to work while he does own electric and hybrid vehicles | Oct 23 16:00 |
| ender2070 | he has to drive his bmw | Oct 23 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Really there are other issues. | Oct 23 16:01 |
| ender2070 | yeah harper is a socialist too | Oct 23 16:01 |
| ender2070 | though he is disguised | Oct 23 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | good to know | Oct 23 16:01 |
| oiaohm | electric does not always work out better than biofueled. | Oct 23 16:01 |
| ender2070 | uses the conservative banner to hide his true agenda | Oct 23 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Remember where in heck do the matterials to make the batteries come from. | Oct 23 16:02 |
| ender2070 | at the g20, he said canada should loose its sovereignty | Oct 23 16:02 |
| oiaohm | then if using magnets stuff is not called rare earth items for no reason. | Oct 23 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: won't he eventually bring the Albertan private health care agenda in, compromising canada's public health? | Oct 23 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: that's not very 'socialist' of him | Oct 23 16:02 |
| ender2070 | he says that to get the RIGHT vote | Oct 23 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Really if we want to deal with it correctly most likely brasil went the right path years ago. | Oct 23 16:03 |
| ender2070 | he wouldnt in reality | Oct 23 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Tetrafuel cars. | Oct 23 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: No cars. | Oct 23 16:03 |
| ender2070 | the national public health system is excellent at tracking the health issues of every Canadian | Oct 23 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie cars that can take 100 percent ethonol or methol or standard fuel. | Oct 23 16:03 |
| oiaohm | And not give a rates. | Oct 23 16:03 |
| ender2070 | if they throw it away, they wont know how good their spraying, flourinated water, etc are affecting us | Oct 23 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | the insurers will know. what's the difference? | Oct 23 16:04 |
| ender2070 | free healthcare means everyone can go see a doctor | Oct 23 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Engines designed for tetrafuel can take a broader set of fuel types. | Oct 23 16:04 |
| ender2070 | that doctor makes a record | Oct 23 16:04 |
| ender2070 | done | Oct 23 16:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | but there's no reason why the same information couldn't be collected anyway. | Oct 23 16:04 |
| oiaohm | No cars are not possible without redesigning lots of cities. | Oct 23 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | insurers like information, it helps them reject claims | Oct 23 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i know | Oct 23 16:05 |
| oiaohm | The simplest is improve the cars now. | Oct 23 16:05 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - thats why cities are being redesigned under Agenda 21, they can't kill off cars until they are that far in the plan | Oct 23 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | um right. | Oct 23 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | can't happen soon enough :D | Oct 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | The major differences between a petrol car and a tetrafuel. Is the control system and the fuel lines. | Oct 23 16:06 |
| ender2070 | yeah somtimes i think that way too furnaceboy | Oct 23 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | cars are a pox | Oct 23 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Not that much really. | Oct 23 16:07 |
| ender2070 | when will the elite hurry up and take away cars so that the transit system gets b etter | Oct 23 16:07 |
| ender2070 | but then i think, i already dont get a seat on the bus | Oct 23 16:07 |
| ender2070 | why make it worse | Oct 23 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Also note tetrafuel can apply to motor bikes and the like as well. | Oct 23 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: ttc works great for me | Oct 23 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: $3 to the airport | Oct 23 16:08 |
| ender2070 | ttc kind of scares me now | Oct 23 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: in Melbourne, Australia, $16 ... and it's not farther | Oct 23 16:08 |
| oiaohm | The first tetrafuel vechiel know was the T Model Ford. | Oct 23 16:08 |
| ender2070 | facial recognition in the cameras | Oct 23 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: the camera is above the front windscreen, is it not? | Oct 23 16:08 |
| ender2070 | havent seen it | Oct 23 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think it is, which means you can use the bus without ever facing the camera. | Oct 23 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | depending on the view as you enter | Oct 23 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | but a hoodie should fix that, you t3rror1st! | Oct 23 16:10 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Oct 23 16:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you've got nothing to hide, why worry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </joke> | Oct 23 16:10 |
| ender2070 | brb | Oct 23 16:10 |
| ender2070 | getting breakfast | Oct 23 16:11 |
| oiaohm | http://libface.sourceforge.net/file/Home.html Really its getting simpler | Oct 23 16:11 |
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| oiaohm | And cheeper todo face recognition. | Oct 23 16:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah i need breakfast too | Oct 23 16:12 |
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| ender2070 | ill brb still but I wanted to recommend William Cooper (Bill Cooper) and Alan Watt for research | Oct 23 16:22 |
| ender2070 | Bill Cooper was halved in two by bullets from swat teams and police | Oct 23 16:22 |
| ender2070 | brb | Oct 23 16:22 |
| schestowitz | http://digg.com/news/politics/republicorp_buying_democracy_one_race_at_a_time | Oct 23 16:35 |
| schestowitz | "As the top Congressional Republican, Mr. Boehner is a life-long pioneer in bringing corporate power deep into government. He set the new standard in 1996 when he when he physically distributed checks from tobacco lobbyists to Republicans on the floor of the US House of Representatives." | Oct 23 16:35 |
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| FurnaceBoy | ......! | Oct 23 16:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: a.k.a. "business as usual" | Oct 23 16:37 |
| ender2070 | politics is a hegelian dialectic | Oct 23 16:51 |
| jweyrich | ola! ;-) | Oct 23 17:04 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: check your IM. | Oct 23 17:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: bom dia | Oct 23 17:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "What are alleged to be school improvements under Ren2010, rest on an increase in the city's overall test scores and other performance measures that parodies the financial shell game corporations used to inflate profit margins - and prospects for future catastrophes are as inevitable. In the end, all Duncan leaves us with is a Renaissance 2010 model of education that is | Oct 23 17:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | celebrated as a business designed "to save kids" from a failed public system. In fact, it condemns public schooling, administrators, teachers and students to a now outmoded and discredited economic model of reform that can only imagine education as a business, teachers as entrepreneurs and students as customers. | Oct 23 17:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.truth-out.org/121708R | Oct 23 17:28 |
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| FurnaceBoy | "the greatest threat to our children does not come from lowered standards, the absence of privatized choice schemes or the lack of rigid testing measures that offer the aura of accountability. On the contrary, it comes from a society that refuses to view children as a social investment, consigns 13 million children to live in poverty, reduces critical learning to massive testing | Oct 23 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | programs, promotes policies that eliminate most crucial health and public services and defines rugged individualism through the degrading celebration of a gun culture, extreme sports and the spectacles of violence that permeate corporate controlled media industries. | Oct 23 17:29 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/rstrohmeyer/statuses/28502920314 "I've responded to your lame blog post about me via email." --Robert Strohmeyer | Oct 23 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Robert Strohmeyer: @schestowitz I've responde ... .::. Size~: 12.5 KB | Oct 23 17:42 |
| schestowitz | What a gentleman | Oct 23 17:42 |
| ender2070 | UNESCO | Oct 23 17:52 |
| ender2070 | standardized world indoctrination | Oct 23 17:52 |
| ender2070 | errr, education | Oct 23 17:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: i am not sure if you're reading that article very well | Oct 23 17:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: this is no 'socialist' plan being enacted | Oct 23 17:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a dismantling of enlightened policy | Oct 23 17:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | in favour of a kind of corporatism -- a process which has transformed USA into the utopia we see today | Oct 23 17:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | and the part that should enrage the US public is that it's being sold as something ele | Oct 23 17:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | else* | Oct 23 17:55 |
| ender2070 | I don't expect you to understand | Oct 23 18:01 |
| ender2070 | those are views I used to stand by in my own mind | Oct 23 18:02 |
| ender2070 | however I stopped watching television and mainstream news | Oct 23 18:03 |
| ender2070 | I'm no longer indoctrinated | Oct 23 18:03 |
| *abeNd-org (~KKlenke@tx-65-40-203-207.sta.embarqhsd.net) has joined #boycottnovell-social | Oct 23 18:10 | |
| ender2070 | ugh, guess what mobbyist posted on my blog | Oct 23 18:10 |
| ender2070 | "Are you planning on sending emails to the coworkers, clients and families of people who don’t use Fedora, in an effort to induce them to? Will you deface the Wikipedia entries of competing distributions? Post anonymous messages defaming people associated with Canonical and SuSE?" | Oct 23 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Say, "if you are going to accuse people of endorsing rape by making a joke......." | Oct 23 18:12 |
| schestowitz | And what's that about mailing co-workers | Oct 23 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Did anyone mail his colleagues at the dildo shop he runs? | Oct 23 18:13 |
| ender2070 | lol no | Oct 23 18:18 |
| ender2070 | access was asked about the rape comment | Oct 23 18:19 |
| schestowitz | "WAIT, you sed WHAT?" | Oct 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it wasn't the first time he annoyed people like this and they turned to his employer | Oct 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I never had anything to do with it | Oct 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | There were several people before who were also harassed by him | Oct 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | He invited trouble, he brings it upon himself and then finds someone innocent to blame | Oct 23 18:24 |
| MinceR | perhaps captain dildo needs to try his own wares, to lessen the tension somewhat? :> | Oct 23 18:25 |
| ender2070 | thats not a surprise | Oct 23 18:27 |
| ender2070 | i was running the story and I asked for their comment on it | Oct 23 18:28 |
| ender2070 | i asked them once | Oct 23 18:28 |
| ender2070 | its not harassment | Oct 23 18:28 |
| ender2070 | hes playing the harassment card to demonize me | Oct 23 18:28 |
| ender2070 | chips posted their phone number on ubuntu forums | Oct 23 18:29 |
| ender2070 | i'd say thats worse | Oct 23 18:29 |
| ender2070 | when your a PR guy, people are going to ask your employer if you say questionable things | Oct 23 18:31 |
| ender2070 | but he cant complain even | Oct 23 18:32 |
| ender2070 | i never called them via phone and told them he was harassing me using company resources | Oct 23 18:32 |
| ender2070 | didnt get him fired | Oct 23 18:35 |
| ender2070 | i also didnt call his boss's personal cell phone at 4am | Oct 23 18:35 |
| ender2070 | btw | Oct 23 18:35 |
| ender2070 | my ex employer gave me his phone records willingly :) | Oct 23 18:35 |
| ender2070 | he blacked out a lot of it but i got the 2 entries from mobbyist | Oct 23 18:36 |
| ender2070 | nenolod suggested RCMP | Oct 23 18:36 |
| ender2070 | RCMP told me Interpol | Oct 23 18:36 |
| ender2070 | Interpol told me I need to file with my local police and they'll take care of it | Oct 23 18:37 |
| ender2070 | so if mobbyist really has a police complaint I'd have heard of it | Oct 23 18:37 |
| ender2070 | scary when you find out how linked the police are, and how close we are to NAU | Oct 23 18:38 |
| ender2070 | eh Furnaceboy | Oct 23 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Policemen can't tell the difference between a Taser and a vibrator | Oct 23 18:40 |
| MinceR | "don't fuck be bro"? | Oct 23 18:41 |
| MinceR | s/be/me/ | Oct 23 18:43 |
| abeNd-org | i work with a lot of different police depts, and have some extended family in law enforcement, they arent "corrupt" or "dumb", and the stories they have of non-law abiding citizens are pretty bad | Oct 23 18:43 |
| MinceR | well, ours is both | Oct 23 18:44 |
| MinceR | and then some | Oct 23 18:44 |
| ender2070 | i think the problem with police is that they run into so many criminals that they end up treating everyone like a criminal | Oct 23 18:45 |
| MinceR | abeNd-org: where do you live? | Oct 23 18:45 |
| MinceR | i think the problem with police is that they're humans given special privileges and power | Oct 23 18:45 |
| MinceR | so naturally they abuse it | Oct 23 18:45 |
| ender2070 | yes | Oct 23 18:45 |
| ender2070 | theres that too | Oct 23 18:45 |
| ender2070 | power corrupts | Oct 23 18:46 |
| abeNd-org | TX, but the family i have in the force is in GA | Oct 23 18:46 |
| ender2070 | i've seen cops break the law for convenience | Oct 23 18:46 |
| MinceR | i see that routinely | Oct 23 18:46 |
| ender2070 | one cop used his siren to cheat the red light | Oct 23 18:46 |
| ender2070 | lol | Oct 23 18:46 |
| MinceR | at least he used the siren | Oct 23 18:46 |
| ender2070 | i've seen cops park in handicapped spots, pregnant women spots, etc | Oct 23 18:47 |
| MinceR | i've seen cops park in places where it's forbidden to park for anyone | Oct 23 18:47 |
| ender2070 | yeah me too | Oct 23 18:47 |
| MinceR | without using siren or anything | Oct 23 18:47 |
| ender2070 | sometimes they are allowed to | Oct 23 18:47 |
| ender2070 | but i've caught them when nothing is going down | Oct 23 18:47 |
| abeNd-org | i have had a cop give my one-legged relative a parking ticket for not having a handicap sign on his car | Oct 23 18:47 |
| abeNd-org | and the cop did it with him coming up to him on his crutches | Oct 23 18:48 |
| ender2070 | i scolded one cop for parking in an emergency spot while he went shopping at my store | Oct 23 18:48 |
| abeNd-org | like he was hiding his missing leg somewhere on his person | Oct 23 18:48 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Oct 23 18:49 |
| abeNd-org | still wrote him the ticket though | Oct 23 18:50 |
| ender2070 | i'd go to court over that one | Oct 23 18:50 |
| abeNd-org | didnt give him a pass for being ex-military or such even | Oct 23 18:50 |
| abeNd-org | but the stories my relative in GA tell me about, crazy ass people, drug busts, and i cant imagine the things he cant tell me about... | Oct 23 18:52 |
| ender2070 | im sure there are real criminals lol | Oct 23 18:53 |
| ender2070 | thats not in dispute | Oct 23 18:53 |
| ender2070 | it just seems like the police sometimes have too much power | Oct 23 18:53 |
| abeNd-org | oh, yea, there are the ex-high school jocks who will never see a glory day beyond their failed highschool football career who take it out on everyone else in the world | Oct 23 18:54 |
| ender2070 | :) | Oct 23 18:54 |
| ender2070 | did you get that from Harold & Kumar? | Oct 23 18:54 |
| abeNd-org | cant say ive ever seen that movie | Oct 23 18:54 |
| ender2070 | its awesome | Oct 23 18:55 |
| abeNd-org | doesnt sound like my kind of humor | Oct 23 18:55 |
| abeNd-org | "dumb & dumberer" type stuff, just not my thing | Oct 23 18:55 |
| ender2070 | its one of those stoner movies for sure | Oct 23 18:56 |
| ender2070 | where the guys are all high all the time | Oct 23 18:56 |
| abeNd-org | i cant stand stoners in real life, why would i spend my time watching them? | Oct 23 18:56 |
| ender2070 | LOL I know eh | Oct 23 18:56 |
| ender2070 | especially the ones who sit there and watch UFC | Oct 23 18:56 |
| ender2070 | and think its real | Oct 23 18:57 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Oct 23 18:57 |
| abeNd-org | I know "entertainment wrestling" is all scripted, guess UFC as an extension of it would be | Oct 23 18:57 |
| ender2070 | UFC made a partnership with WWE | Oct 23 18:58 |
| MinceR | "you wanna get high?" | Oct 23 18:58 |
| ender2070 | towlie | Oct 23 18:58 |
| ender2070 | lol | Oct 23 18:58 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 23 18:58 |
| ender2070 | I love southpark tho | Oct 23 18:58 |
| ender2070 | did you see the intervention episode with towlie? | Oct 23 18:59 |
| MinceR | probably not | Oct 23 18:59 |
| ender2070 | funny stuff | Oct 23 18:59 |
| ender2070 | he was huffing computer duster too, lol | Oct 23 18:59 |
| abeNd-org | i only caught a few of the episodes, one being the world of warcraft one, that was amusing | Oct 23 18:59 |
| ender2070 | you can't go from 1-60 just killing level 1 boars | Oct 23 19:00 |
| ender2070 | but it was funny yeah | Oct 23 19:00 |
| ender2070 | the sword of a thousand truths | Oct 23 19:00 |
| ender2070 | good news | Oct 23 19:02 |
| ender2070 | starting monday, i'll have 3 weeks left of school | Oct 23 19:02 |
| ender2070 | 3 weeks and 5 days till my birthday | Oct 23 19:02 |
| ender2070 | im graduating with honours | Oct 23 19:06 |
| ender2070 | :D | Oct 23 19:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | congratulations | Oct 23 19:12 |
| ender2070 | thanks | Oct 23 19:13 |
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| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: http://www.infiniteunknown.net | Oct 23 20:28 |
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| jweyrich | congrats ender2070 :-) | Oct 23 20:36 |
| abeNd-org | i forget who it is in here that i talk library software with (someone from AU?) but http://techsoupforlibraries.org/blog/techsoups-open-source-webinar-archive would be a nice reference | Oct 23 20:37 |
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| FurnaceBoy | abeNd-org: maybe oiaohm | Oct 23 20:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's in Qld AU | Oct 23 20:38 |
| abeNd-org | yeah, that nickname sounds familiar | Oct 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | yes, congrats ender2070 | Oct 23 20:43 |
| schestowitz | abeNd-org: he gets around | Oct 23 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/22/torture.html | Oct 23 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Can't dent it, you can | Oct 23 21:16 |
| jweyrich | Google, Like Microsoft, Saves Billions Through Tax Havens - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2371335,00.asp | Oct 23 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://thenextweb.com/us/2010/10/23/why-hasnt-the-us-government-crushed-wikileaks/ | Oct 23 21:17 |
| ender2070 | ty guys :) | Oct 23 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | jweyrich: Intel too | Oct 23 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Famously | Oct 23 21:17 |
| jweyrich | all big Co's do that I guess. | Oct 23 21:18 |
| schestowitz | they have to | Oct 23 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Shareholders | Oct 23 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Capitalism the US way is just great.. | Oct 23 21:18 |
| schestowitz | For bankers | Oct 23 21:18 |
| schestowitz | If you want good money as cleaner/developer/other, work for banks | Oct 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | They are swimming in money, inc. bailout money | Oct 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | When they overpay themselves (bonuses) | Oct 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | There are some very rich billionaire bankers | Oct 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | They extract money from the system of interest | Oct 23 21:19 |
| schestowitz | And when it all collapses it's not them who pay | Oct 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Madoffs galore | Oct 23 21:20 |
| jweyrich | the famous 1 to 7 | Oct 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | They are all madoffs | Oct 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | But only he got arrested | Oct 23 21:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: some hedge fund people earn $900,000 / hour | Oct 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Their pyramids too have collapses | Oct 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | But they were better known brand | Oct 23 21:20 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: sure, why not? | Oct 23 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | exactly | Oct 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you're just jalous :-) | Oct 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | *ea | Oct 23 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | why not shoot 8 yo kids in iraq ... if you can? | Oct 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | If they earn this much, they are worth it | Oct 23 21:21 |
| jweyrich | not worth, really. | Oct 23 21:21 |
| jweyrich | but people think they are. | Oct 23 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Their contribution to industry is x10,000 as much as yours | Oct 23 21:21 |
| jweyrich | contribution? like? haha | Oct 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | [21:21] <FurnaceBoy> why not shoot 8 yo kids in iraq ... if you can? | Oct 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Some collected fingers | Oct 23 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: more than 10,000 x :) | Oct 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | it was a game | Oct 23 21:22 |
| jweyrich | ah ok lol. | Oct 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: that's a stadium of many YOUs | Oct 23 21:22 |
| schestowitz | competing with a guy who pushes papers around | Oct 23 21:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in the cheap seats :) | Oct 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Giving loans to countries like Haiti | Oct 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | With money they don't have | Oct 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | And see slave interests flowing in | Oct 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | While Gates gives them phones for 'micro-payments' | Oct 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | 'Charity' | Oct 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | No stings [sic] attached | Oct 23 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | right. smallpox blankets. | Oct 23 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I have some posts about that coming | Oct 23 21:24 |
| schestowitz | 7 pages | Oct 23 21:24 |
| jweyrich | we should start a ponzi scheme too. | Oct 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I can't post about Gates too much in one day | Oct 23 21:25 |
| jweyrich | :-P | Oct 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Too many people think he's an angel | Oct 23 21:25 |
| schestowitz | And anyone who attacks Mr. Love-Me-PR will get blowback | Oct 23 21:25 |
| jweyrich | banks, per se, are ponzi schemes. | Oct 23 21:27 |
| jweyrich | the matter is that they're the legal ones. | Oct 23 21:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | somebody asked for copy of passport page to validate an NDA, is that normal? | Oct 23 21:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | i never needed to supply that before and am not inclined | Oct 23 21:28 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: yep. ID or passport. | Oct 23 21:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | never heard of this. | Oct 23 21:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | a signature has always been sufficient | Oct 23 21:29 |
| jweyrich | make it low-resolution and be happy. | Oct 23 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | the only ppl who see my passport are immigration :) | Oct 23 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | i could redact it | Oct 23 21:30 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: companies check if signatures are similar, and if your infos are real. no big deal. nothing one could do with it, except cloning, which doesn't make much sense. | Oct 23 21:33 |
| ender2070 | I might do a netcast for pwnage.ca | Oct 23 21:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: i'll redact it and see if they complain ;-) | Oct 23 21:33 |
| ender2070 | it'll probably be fedora related and other gnu/linux topics | Oct 23 21:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: do u still want web space? you're free to use my vps | Oct 23 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Article removed: http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/in-clearing-bayou-a-quagmire-for-goldman/ | Oct 23 21:34 |
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| ender2070 | my host hasn't cut me off yet we'll see :) | Oct 23 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Published days ago: | Oct 23 21:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: ok well don't forget, ping me any time you need it. got my email? | Oct 23 21:35 |
| ender2070 | i still have your emai | Oct 23 21:35 |
| ender2070 | Oct 23 21:35 | |
| FurnaceBoy | k | Oct 23 21:35 |
| ender2070 | what kind of bandwidth do you get by the way? | Oct 23 21:35 |
| ender2070 | who is your host, etc | Oct 23 21:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | servernorth.net | Oct 23 21:36 |
| ender2070 | currently I use www.frozenonline.com | Oct 23 21:36 |
| ender2070 | $25 a month plan | Oct 23 21:36 |
| *jweyrich runs on linode.com | Oct 23 21:36 | |
| ender2070 | servernorth gives u 5GB a month? | Oct 23 21:40 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56759420#notice-57257686 "most large corps are experienced tax evaders, from MS, Google, Vodaphone and the rest; they all do it" | Oct 23 21:40 |
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| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: it must be more than that. this page has changed, they were in the middle of reorganising their services when i signed up | Oct 23 21:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'll check with them directly | Oct 23 21:41 |
| jweyrich | ender2070: how much you need? | Oct 23 21:41 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: you should migrate too linode too ;P | Oct 23 21:43 |
| jweyrich | to linode* | Oct 23 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, no, jweyrich | Oct 23 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | only to their uk service | Oct 23 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | not interested in us based hosts | Oct 23 21:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | this one is good for us, it's even in the same DC as my current colo | Oct 23 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | so very low latency from here... | Oct 23 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | i share it with another canada-based friend | Oct 23 21:44 |
| jweyrich | ah ok. | Oct 23 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | i looked at a pile of possibilities | Oct 23 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | originally i only wanted a tiny one, but my friend wanted 1gb ram | Oct 23 21:45 |
| ender2070 | im not sure about linode | Oct 23 21:46 |
| ender2070 | they still use xen | Oct 23 21:46 |
| jweyrich | what do you mean by 'still' ? | Oct 23 21:46 |
| jweyrich | what else would you use? :-) vmware? | Oct 23 21:47 |
| ender2070 | kvm | Oct 23 21:47 |
| ender2070 | virtualbox | Oct 23 21:47 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/dvc5l/i_just_figured_out_why_most_catholics_know/ | Oct 23 21:47 |
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| jweyrich | virtualbox is buggy as hell. | Oct 23 21:47 |
| ender2070 | what about kvm | Oct 23 21:47 |
| jweyrich | vmware is good for SANs. | Oct 23 21:48 |
| MinceR | i have yet to see a virtualizer that isn't full of bugs | Oct 23 21:48 |
| ender2070 | redhat dropped xen | Oct 23 21:48 |
| MinceR | vmware is more buggy than virtualbox | Oct 23 21:48 |
| jweyrich | I never used kvm, but my servers run on linode, and I never had a single problem, in 1 year. | Oct 23 21:48 |
| ender2070 | frozenonline uses virtualbox and i haven't had a single problem in 3+ years | Oct 23 21:48 |
| ender2070 | im a redhat fanboy so i dislike xen, for obvious reasons | Oct 23 21:49 |
| ender2070 | lol | Oct 23 21:49 |
| ender2070 | plus kvm is linux native | Oct 23 21:49 |
| ender2070 | in the kernel | Oct 23 21:49 |
| ender2070 | its going to crush everything very soon | Oct 23 21:49 |
| ender2070 | in some areas it already does | Oct 23 21:50 |
| MinceR | and what about lguest? | Oct 23 21:51 |
| ender2070 | whats lguest | Oct 23 21:51 |
| MinceR | that too is in the kernel, afaik | Oct 23 21:51 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Lguest | Oct 23 21:51 |
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| ender2070 | kvm makes me excited | Oct 23 21:51 |
| ender2070 | plus the new SPICE framework is spiffy | Oct 23 21:52 |
| ender2070 | oh lguest isn't full virtualization | Oct 23 21:52 |
| ender2070 | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Spice | Oct 23 21:53 |
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| ender2070 | more of a desktop thing though | Oct 23 21:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm, lguest is interesting. | Oct 23 21:53 |
| *FurnaceBoy reads more | Oct 23 21:53 | |
| MinceR | spice does look good | Oct 23 21:53 |
| ender2070 | http://www.spice-space.org/features.html | Oct 23 21:54 |
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| MinceR | looks like it could make winblows suck less under qemu/kvm, too | Oct 23 21:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | 3 Lguest is an adventure, with you, the reader, as Hero. I can't think of many | Oct 23 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | 4 5000-line projects which offer both such capability and glimpses of future | Oct 23 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | 5 potential; it is an exciting time to be delving into the source! | Oct 23 21:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 23 21:56 |
| jweyrich | http://lguest.ozlabs.org/patches/ <- good ;-) | Oct 23 22:01 |
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| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: i thought u were a github fan | Oct 23 22:02 |
| jweyrich | I am. | Oct 23 22:02 |
| jweyrich | in fact not really a fan of gihub. more a fan of git. | Oct 23 22:03 |
| ender2070 | gitorius is good too | Oct 23 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | one day when i retire to the beaches of SC I will study git. | Oct 23 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe next year? | Oct 23 22:03 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: sure. just ask if you have any doubts. | Oct 23 22:04 |
| jweyrich | I can introduce you. it's not that complicated. | Oct 23 22:04 |
| ender2070 | i love git | Oct 23 22:04 |
| ender2070 | linus has a video about it as well you can watch | Oct 23 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'm sure i'll love it when i get time to study it. | Oct 23 22:05 |
| ender2070 | teaches the basics | Oct 23 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | tbh i have zero need for it atm | Oct 23 22:05 |
| jweyrich | yeah, that video @ google ender2070 ? lol. | Oct 23 22:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: excerpts work better | Oct 23 22:05 |
| MinceR | huh? | Oct 23 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | though github would be a good move for my projects,theoretically | Oct 23 22:05 |
| ender2070 | github has limitations | Oct 23 22:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the book of rubbish | Oct 23 22:05 |
| ender2070 | gitorius for large projects | Oct 23 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: yeah the plus for me is the social aspect. | Oct 23 22:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: indeed | Oct 23 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | ender2070: these are very SMALL projects. | Oct 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | You can find some coherent stuff in so may volumes | Oct 23 22:06 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: bookmark it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 | Oct 23 22:06 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Tech Talk: Linus Torvalds on git .::. Size~: 102.67 KB | Oct 23 22:06 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: chosen from the self-contradicting mess to support a point | Oct 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Like you need text to tell you not to kill follow humans | Oct 23 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh jweyrich i'm too old for video | Oct 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | You need to reproduce with them | Oct 23 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: i found some good text tutes a while back | Oct 23 22:06 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: "Every sperm is sacred" | Oct 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I'd say instincts override those rules | Oct 23 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the so-called holy text says that already | Oct 23 22:06 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: the video doesn't teach much, it's more of a discussion about git, compared to svn, perforce, etc. | Oct 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Even rats know better | Oct 23 22:06 |
| schestowitz | And they can't read | Oct 23 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz++ | Oct 23 22:07 |
| schestowitz | We kill even more than them | Oct 23 22:07 |
| schestowitz | More species | Oct 23 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Eve bacteria | Oct 23 22:07 |
| schestowitz | We're the only animal that kills bacteria for mere convenience | Oct 23 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Like zapping ants with magnifying glasses | Oct 23 22:08 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <MinceR> schestowitz: "Every sperm is sacred" | Oct 23 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Too bad they don't know how sperm works | Oct 23 22:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they don't know how anything works. | Oct 23 22:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's the point. | Oct 23 22:08 |
| *schestowitz finds 50 million girls to use us all that load | Oct 23 22:08 | |
| schestowitz | Until tomorrow... | Oct 23 22:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: SCIENCE IZ HARD SO WE ROTE A BOOK SO U DONT HAV TO WORRY BOUT SCIENCE | Oct 23 22:09 |
| ender2070 | printf schestowitz | Oct 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | 9 monthsx50 million... | Oct 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... lots of humans needed | Oct 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: disease is from God | Oct 23 22:09 |
| schestowitz | And the smallest organism is ant | Oct 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | ] | Oct 23 22:10 |
| jweyrich | that remembers me of a phrase. "a project manager is a person who thinks 9 women can deliver a baby in 1 month". | Oct 23 22:10 |
| ender2070 | hahahaha | Oct 23 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Oct 23 22:10 |
| schestowitz | jweyrich: every code is sacred | Oct 23 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: i work for people who misunderstand software this profoundly | Oct 23 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: kill me now | Oct 23 22:10 |
| jweyrich | FurnaceBoy: only you? | Oct 23 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | jweyrich: no, not only me :| | Oct 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvAwV2VsTvk | Oct 23 22:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - every sperm is sacred vostfr monty python .::. Size~: 129.14 KB | Oct 23 22:11 |
| jweyrich | we're all on the same looped boat. | Oct 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Kind of pedo, no? | Oct 23 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | pedo? | Oct 23 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Kids singing about sperm | Oct 23 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | GOD GETS QUITE IRATE, schestowitz | Oct 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Almost like that video of Kate Perry | Oct 23 22:12 |
| jweyrich | pedo says: too old! | Oct 23 22:12 |
| *FurnaceBoy laughs | Oct 23 22:12 | |
| ender2070 | Pedo Bear? | Oct 23 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Tickle me Elmo! | Oct 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | California Gurls.... very wrong | Oct 23 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Is it about girls (gurls), naked chicks, little girls, crude Snoop that sings about doggystyle, or blowing baby food into the air through cans? | Oct 23 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | LET THE HEATHENS SPILL THEIRS | Oct 23 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Video somewhat disturbing | Oct 23 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Someone whom I spoke to about it today agreed | Oct 23 22:14 |
| jweyrich | monty python > ∞ | Oct 23 22:14 |
| schestowitz | She thought mixing kiddie video with nakedness it tasteless | Oct 23 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://images.4chan.org/s/src/1287861758686.gif <-- Katy | Oct 23 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | 4chan for the rescue? | Oct 23 22:16 |
| jweyrich | bewbs <3 | Oct 23 22:16 |
| jweyrich | don't know why monty python remembers me about che che chong. haha | Oct 23 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | hey is Anonymous in jail yet? they pissed off Gene Simmons | Oct 23 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | he got mighty angry and threatened to lock them all up | Oct 23 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | what's the outcome? | Oct 23 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mean, having just taken on Scientology, i'm sure they're quaking at a pissed Gene Simmons | Oct 23 22:18 |
| ender2070 | i love anonymous | Oct 23 22:19 |
| ender2070 | they exposed climategate | Oct 23 22:19 |
| *jweyrich has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) | Oct 23 22:51 | |
| schestowitz | Exposed? | Oct 23 22:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZzwRwFDXw0 | Oct 23 22:57 |
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