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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @freeculture: Hulu selectively prevents Cablevision customers from watching Fox/News Corp content #netneutrality http://is.gd/g58wE | Oct 17 00:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: News Corp. Shuts Off Hulu Access To Cablevision Customers And Turns It Back On [UPDATED] | Peter Kafka | MediaMemo | AllThingsD .::. Size~: 67.41 KB | Oct 17 00:03 |
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| hazzy | LOL | Oct 17 00:04 |
| hazzy | I just read the latest Techrights about VP7 | Oct 17 00:04 |
| hazzy | "Another $400 Million Down the Drain" | Oct 17 00:04 |
| hazzy | Awesome. | Oct 17 00:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not really. | Oct 17 00:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - Guns N' Roses - Don't Cry" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRIbf6JqkNc&feature=channel | Oct 17 00:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] RT @chicagonpg White Zombie - More Human Than Human http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0E0ynyIUsg | Oct 17 00:09 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Guns N' Roses - Don't Cry .::. Size~: 163.95 KB | Oct 17 00:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - White Zombie - More Human Than Human .::. Size~: 142.59 KB | Oct 17 00:09 |
| hazzy | From a consumer's point of view, it is | Oct 17 00:10 |
| hazzy | It saves them from having Microsoft leverage a monopoly to control the market | Oct 17 00:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | well no | Oct 17 00:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | its giving people jobs | Oct 17 00:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | jobs that, without gross corporate waste, wouldnt exist | Oct 17 00:11 |
| hazzy | Fine, I'll give you that | Oct 17 00:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | infact, bill gates is, like, some sort of anti-hero | Oct 17 00:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | or something | Oct 17 00:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dunno, I was going somewhere with this, and it got away from me | Oct 17 00:12 |
| hazzy | Well, your point was well made with the jobs | Oct 17 00:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, but hazzy | Oct 17 00:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | 10 times more jobs would exist if companies were efficient | Oct 17 00:13 |
| hazzy | Yes, agreed | Oct 17 00:14 |
| hazzy | I see it far too often at my own job | Oct 17 00:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Amazon is Distorting Canadian Patent Law http://ur1.ca/23bnj Mr. Bezos destroys other countries' legal systems with #swpats | Oct 17 00:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - Guns N' Roses Think About You studio Version" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJySi7Z3ZXY&feature=related | Oct 17 00:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] the #fascism world is here | Oct 17 00:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] #africa will survive.......... | Oct 17 00:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] United Fruit Company 2.0: How #Microsoft is Colonising South America http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/edgi-in-south-american-market/ | Oct 17 00:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] when the humans have destroyed the world. we will awaken | Oct 17 00:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: United Fruit Company 2.0: How Microsoft is Colonising South America | Techrights .::. Size~: 168.31 KB | Oct 17 00:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - zouk machine - maldon" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPdrGOFXzGA | Oct 17 00:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Surprisingly, Tcl's switch command feels more capable than the similar C / Java / C++ switch statement. | Oct 17 01:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Unsubstantiated Takeover Rumours http://ur1.ca/23c3e Why Microsoft will not manage to grab yet another Internet giant | Oct 17 01:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] I don't know why this is funny: http://ur1.ca/23c6j | Oct 17 01:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] O'Reilly is Still in Bed with #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/23c6p O'Reilly empowers Microsoft, which is sad | Oct 17 01:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: AAAAAAAAA! - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 75.6 KB | Oct 17 01:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OReilly is Still in Bed With Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.89 KB | Oct 17 01:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] What"s next in air travel? http://xkcd.com/779/ | Oct 17 02:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crp | Oct 17 03:26 | |
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| *amarsh04 tries mocp for playing audio - lower cpu than even xmms 1.2 | Oct 17 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @bigbrovar !Linux should not be about elitism. It's for the people, by the people. Once we become elitist, we're not better than Stev ... | Oct 17 03:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] I've heard !fedora users talking about their automatic wallpaper changer, here's an article about 5 alternatives !linux http://ur1.ca/235d2 | Oct 17 03:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linuxaria Wallpaper changer for Linux : Linuxaria .::. Size~: 46.16 KB | Oct 17 03:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @graziano #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crp | Oct 17 03:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 136.61 KB | Oct 17 03:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES - Demoscene: Interview with Romeo Knight! http://tinyurl.com/34nn7xd !amiga !demoscene !dtv !redsector !rsi !music !electronica | Oct 17 04:04 | |
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| amarsh04 | quoted on the front page of http://www.groklaw.net/ # I think renaming Echelon to Facebook was possibly the most effective re-branding exercise ever. - Jan Wildeboer, identi.ca | Oct 17 04:06 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Are you a Computer Geek? Take the test http://richs-lxh.com/are-you-a-geek/ | Oct 17 04:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Are You A geek? - Father, Husband, Linux Geek& .::. Size~: 27.74 KB | Oct 17 04:06 |
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| roy__ | amarsh04: yes, I saw that yesterday | Oct 17 04:18 |
| ---roy__ is now known as schestowitz | Oct 17 04:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh Another example of a moving wallpaper: http://ur1.ca/fgt3 http://ur1.ca/fgt3 | Oct 17 04:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu blogspot: "Dawn of Ubuntu" Returns .::. Size~: 155.13 KB | Oct 17 04:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.gaj-it.com/25879/microsoft-uses-angry-birds-logo-to-promote-windows-phone-7-without-permission/ | Oct 17 04:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Uses Angry Birds Logo to Promote Windows Phone 7 Without Permission | UK Gadget and Tech News, Reviews and Shopping .::. Size~: 49.46 KB | Oct 17 04:23 |
| schestowitz | I could not be too bothered to do articles about this silly product | Oct 17 04:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's news is all dried up | Oct 17 04:23 |
| schestowitz | Gates has moved on to disrupting other areas | Oct 17 04:23 |
| nenolod | angry birds is such a great game | Oct 17 04:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30779/Goldman_Sachs_Recommends_Microsoft_Split_Off_Xbox_Business.php | Oct 17 04:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gamasutra - News - Goldman Sachs Recommends Microsoft Split Off Xbox Business .::. Size~: 153.53 KB | Oct 17 04:24 |
| nenolod | it's like crack | Oct 17 04:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=268169 | Oct 17 04:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: News: Xbox profitability being hurt by Microsoft - analyst - ComputerAndVideoGames.com .::. Size~: 228.05 KB | Oct 17 04:25 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: Android too now.. | Oct 17 04:25 |
| schestowitz | I never played it, but I see it in Android sites a lot | Oct 17 04:25 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: yes, i have the android version on my phone | Oct 17 04:25 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: it's great | Oct 17 04:25 |
| nenolod | android is going to win the mobile war over iphone and WP7 | Oct 17 04:25 |
| schestowitz | well, bar lawsuits | Oct 17 04:25 |
| nenolod | because it's out there now | Oct 17 04:25 |
| schestowitz | it also killed LiMo | Oct 17 04:26 |
| nenolod | that's a good thing | Oct 17 04:26 |
| nenolod | limo is crap and closed-source | Oct 17 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Ari moved from Maemo to WebOS, but it's stilla struggle | Oct 17 04:26 |
| schestowitz | people think they need 100k apps to use a phone | Oct 17 04:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] noffice #libreoffice | Oct 17 04:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave - http://bit.ly/aiwjYc never a dull moment these days #openoffice #libreoffice | Oct 17 04:26 | |
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| schestowitz | wasn't limo+lips LSB? | Oct 17 04:26 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | The Emblaze+ELSE thing is all patents | Oct 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | They even sued Microsoft and Apple | Oct 17 04:27 |
| nenolod | meego is the officially blessed one | Oct 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | yes | Oct 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | LSB | Oct 17 04:27 |
| nenolod | but android is probably going to win | Oct 17 04:27 |
| nenolod | it's out there now | Oct 17 04:27 |
| nenolod | WP7 came too late | Oct 17 04:27 |
| nenolod | you can get 100x more different kinds of android phones vs 1 iphone | Oct 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | the news is flooded with it | Oct 17 04:27 |
| schestowitz | I just did a slice view | Oct 17 04:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Nice :) I'm trying to find a lightweight !debian compatible non-gnome wallpaper changer for my !openbox desktop. | Oct 17 04:28 | |
| schestowitz | 200 clusters of headlines in 3 weeks | Oct 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | Puff pieces galore | Oct 17 04:28 |
| schestowitz | $400ml/200=$2ml | Oct 17 04:28 |
| nenolod | WP7 has a lot of interesting design concepts though | Oct 17 04:30 |
| nenolod | but like i said | Oct 17 04:30 |
| nenolod | they delivered too late | Oct 17 04:30 |
| nenolod | and they made the same mistakes apple made | Oct 17 04:30 |
| nenolod | it's a walled garden, and consumers don't like that - infact, consumers are becoming more and more aware of why software freedom matters | Oct 17 04:30 |
| nenolod | although android isn't really free | Oct 17 04:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh I believe this wallpaper uses some XML to change the wallpaper look according to the time. I looked into .deb pkg | Oct 17 04:31 | |
| nenolod | vendors lock it down - but - honestly if google went GPLv3 with it, i don't know if anyone would have bought into android | Oct 17 04:31 |
| nenolod | we will have to see how meego goes | Oct 17 04:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !sr User ID 292646 | Oct 17 04:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Actually, !crunchbang uses Nitrogen. I could just run a timed/cron script to change it randomly. | Oct 17 04:36 | |
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| roy_ | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/224147.asp | Oct 17 04:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Report: Microsoft shutters in-game ad unit Massive .::. Size~: 66.87 KB | Oct 17 04:37 |
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| schestowitz | nenolod: it remains to be seen what Elop does with MeeGo | Oct 17 04:38 |
| schestowitz | http://techfreqnews.com/?p=571 http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2010-10-11-report-microsoft-to-close-in-game-ads-dept-massive | Oct 17 04:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsofts Shutting Down Its In-Game Advertising Division | TechFreq News=- .::. Size~: 31.68 KB | Oct 17 04:39 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia and Microsoft are shrinking | Oct 17 04:39 |
| schestowitz | Intel is growing again | Oct 17 04:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=269039 | Oct 17 04:39 |
| nenolod | intel are patent trolls though | Oct 17 04:39 |
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| schestowitz | nenolod: they are worse than that | Oct 17 04:39 |
| schestowitz | They bribe, they attack rivals like OLPC, they funded SCO, etc. | Oct 17 04:40 |
| schestowitz | But I don't think they are the real enemy to s/w freedom | Oct 17 04:40 |
| schestowitz | Intel is just selling hardware, it doesn't care so much about DRM and whether s/w as free | Oct 17 04:40 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news-story/2010/10/13/microsoft-admits-there-has-been-exceptional-d | Oct 17 04:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Admits" | Oct 17 04:42 |
| schestowitz | Bought site | Oct 17 04:42 |
| schestowitz | John "admits" he is wonderful | Oct 17 04:42 |
| amarsh04 | so why didn't intel buy PowerVR and open up the GMA500 graphics, or drop PowerVR from later chipsets | Oct 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe in some cases, just like GPU makers, the souce code reveals some h/w-s/w interaction they would give away | Oct 17 04:43 |
| schestowitz | People no longer just buy just a ploygon making wafer | Oct 17 04:44 |
| schestowitz | And I heard from an informant in Intel about some projects they have for making the two sides tighter | Oct 17 04:44 |
| schestowitz | But it's sort of NDAed | Oct 17 04:44 |
| amarsh04 | I'd still like to buy a fully open portable pc - haven't found anyone in .au willing to provide warranty support for the lemote machines | Oct 17 04:45 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: Number 1 PowerVR is not up for sale | Oct 17 04:45 |
| oiaohm | So intel cannot buy them. | Oct 17 04:45 |
| schestowitz | They could 'pull an Icahn' | Oct 17 04:46 |
| amarsh04 | some discussion on the state of linux audio at http://www.sintel.org/news/greetings-from-the-audio-trenches/ | Oct 17 04:46 |
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| schestowitz | But that's Microsoft's repertoire | Oct 17 04:46 |
| oiaohm | Only option is pull the chain and the question is does PowerVR have a contract for so many video cards. | Oct 17 04:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie intel might be trapped with the PowerVR mistake. | Oct 17 04:46 |
| oiaohm | But PowerVR was ment to provide working Linux drivers. | Oct 17 04:46 |
| oiaohm | So in theory Intel could walk away from the contract for PowerVR not holding up there end. | Oct 17 04:47 |
| amarsh04 | I | Oct 17 04:47 |
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| amarsh04 | I'd like the South Australian government to prove that they're not beholden to microsoft by fixing things that are broken due to reliance on microsoft (like the email system serving the state government) | Oct 17 04:48 |
| oiaohm | sintel movie caused the audio guy some complexity. amarsh04 | Oct 17 04:50 |
| oiaohm | The rule of the movie no closed source programs could be used. amarsh04 | Oct 17 04:50 |
| oiaohm | No matter how much you liked them. | Oct 17 04:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes next movie hopefully audio as well. | Oct 17 04:54 |
| schestowitz | the comments talk about Linux | Oct 17 04:57 |
| schestowitz | It does seem like some FOSS was used for audio too..? | Oct 17 04:57 |
| schestowitz | http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshowpics/6640651.cms | Oct 17 04:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sony Move, Microsoft Kinect play catch up - Pictures - Pictures/Videos - News in Pictures | Economic Times .::. Size~: 38.92 KB | Oct 17 04:58 |
| schestowitz | European Commission Sues UK Over Phorm :) | Oct 17 04:58 |
| schestowitz | Can one sell out in presales? :-) | Oct 17 05:00 |
| schestowitz | Wow. The press is being misguided willingly? | Oct 17 05:00 |
| schestowitz | They are selling out what's not even in stock? | Oct 17 05:00 |
| schestowitz | Or what does not even exist? | Oct 17 05:01 |
| schestowitz | Silly me, I thought something needs to be sold in order for it to be sold out (over quantity) | Oct 17 05:02 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how much marketi^H^H money is spent on this Kinect thing... | Oct 17 05:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Duncan McGreggor: Multi-touch and Qt http://goo.gl/XN8p | Oct 17 05:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft struggles with mobile.. no modularity.. | Oct 17 05:03 |
| schestowitz | http://vista.blorge.com/2010/09/30/no-windows-7-tablets-for-a-year-if-ever/ | Oct 17 05:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Duncan McGreggor: The Growing Linux Multi-touch Community http://goo.gl/78ke | Oct 17 05:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @toros Duncan McGreggor: Multi-touch and Qt http://goo.gl/XN8p | Oct 17 05:06 | |
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| schestowitz | The booster started an account... http://twitter.com/mariusoiaga | Oct 17 05:08 |
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| schestowitz | :-/ | Oct 17 05:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @toros Duncan McGreggor: The Growing Linux Multi-touch Community http://goo.gl/78ke > !Linux at the forefront of mobility | Oct 17 05:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @ksaver “YouTube - Pinguy OS”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuQU8YFkG0w !Linux #Distros | Oct 17 05:11 | |
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| schestowitz | It's been 11 days since the Qt announcement of new gesture support, and I wanted to blog about it right away... but alas, now will have to do. The folks at Qt have been working on multi-touch support for a while now. They blogged about gestures, multi-touch, Mac support, Windows support, and then at UDS in Brussels (May 2010), they shared their 4.8 plans for multi-touch with the Ubuntu community. | Oct 17 05:12 |
| schestowitz | Until recently, there has been no MT stack for Linux. The great news is that the folks at Qt are very interested in getting Qt to work with uTouch. Stephen Bregma has been working on the GEIS API that toolkits will have the option of taking advantage of, and we were delighted to hear from Zeno and Denis that the Qt API they have envisioned and planned is very similar to GEIS, and should make for an excellent match. They are going to be | Oct 17 05:12 |
| schestowitz | talking with the community about this at UDS two weeks from now, in fact :-) | Oct 17 05:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz United Fruit Company 2.0: How #Microsoft is Colonising South America http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/edgi-in-south-amer ... | Oct 17 05:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Phew ! just got chrome2phone and android2cloud working again on chromium and the !nexusone !android #froyo | Oct 17 05:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Want to join our first marketing phone conference? Vote when it should take place! http://www.doodle.com/uiidvmmxcp53r4xs | Oct 17 05:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] I'm at N 44.99137 E 23.11756, travelling from Motru to Târgu-Jiu by car. Hardly any mobile phone connection around here... | Oct 17 05:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz O'Reilly is Still in Bed with #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/23c6p O'Reilly empowers Microsoft, which is sad | Oct 17 05:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Nick Mason on the radio, good quote talking about well known tribute band "They have managed to learn every mistake we ever made" | Oct 17 05:28 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 17 05:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft claims Internet Explorer 9 was downloaded 6m times last month. Doesn't Firefox get that like two days? | Oct 17 05:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: I quite often read your TR posts before there are any comments and miss them,could you do a comments rss or similar service? | Oct 17 05:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dying Internet Explorer Dips Below 50% Global Market Share http://ur1.ca/23dy6 sample set in doubt, but trend matters | Oct 17 05:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dying Internet Explorer Dips Below 50% Global Market Share (MSFT, GOOG, AAPL) .::. Size~: 107.95 KB | Oct 17 05:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I've decided to take a glimpse at Microsoft news for the first time in 3 weeks... today cause it's Sunday. Wow. MSFT is off the news chart. | Oct 17 05:39 | |
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| gnufreex | Oracle is kicking out LibreOfficers from OOo comunity council http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/10/17/0210209/Oracle-Asks-OpenOffice-Community-Members-To-Leave | Oct 17 05:40 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: I know since yesterday | Oct 17 05:41 |
| schestowitz | We had it in IRC | Oct 17 05:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Last Week's Top Posts (Week 41, 2010) http://bit.ly/9HpDEk | Oct 17 05:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Simple Rhythmbox Plugins: Save Cover In Mp3 Metadata, Save Existing Cover in Mp3 Folder And More http://bit.ly/cWJbFS | Oct 17 05:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera subscribe to http://techrights.org/comments/feed/ and thanks for the support! | Oct 17 05:41 | |
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| gnufreex | I guess I missed it. | Oct 17 05:41 |
| schestowitz | Most did | Oct 17 05:41 |
| schestowitz | I got it from libreoffice identica feeds | Oct 17 05:41 |
| gnufreex | It looks like some bloke said it on IRC, nothing official. | Oct 17 05:42 |
| gnufreex | They should play dumb and wait until they get kicked. | Oct 17 05:42 |
| schestowitz | I know | Oct 17 05:43 |
| gnufreex | Make Oracle look bad. | Oct 17 05:43 |
| schestowitz | That's why I made no post about it | Oct 17 05:43 |
| schestowitz | But also, it's like OpenSolaris | Oct 17 05:43 |
| schestowitz | Oracle plays mind games | Oct 17 05:43 |
| schestowitz | Mind you: | Oct 17 05:43 |
| schestowitz | Libreoffice has agenda | Oct 17 05:43 |
| schestowitz | Charles et al | Oct 17 05:43 |
| schestowitz | So they want to tell the OOo community to leave | Oct 17 05:44 |
| schestowitz | And to join them rather than "evil Oracle" | Oct 17 05:44 |
| schestowitz | No official article | Oct 17 05:44 |
| schestowitz | /. links to some wiki page | Oct 17 05:44 |
| schestowitz | I couldn't verify much | Oct 17 05:44 |
| gnufreex | It is IRC log. | Oct 17 05:44 |
| schestowitz | i have friends in the OOo community | Oct 17 05:44 |
| schestowitz | One of them vanished, another is worried | Oct 17 05:44 |
| gnufreex | I think Novell is making trouble, I don't trust this LibreOffice thingie. | Oct 17 05:45 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: which reminds me, tomorrow when I set up a new router I can catch up with out IRC logs too and published *those8 | Oct 17 05:45 |
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| schestowitz | The trolls will surely mine them for any comma or oddity | Oct 17 05:45 |
| schestowitz | Looking to throw dirt and feed Techrights with more attention by attacking it | Oct 17 05:46 |
| gnufreex | Let them come :-) | Oct 17 05:46 |
| schestowitz | They don't know that the worst one can do is just ignore | Oct 17 05:46 |
| lightpriest_ | just for the heck of it, I tested Acid2 on a pretty old Nokia device | Oct 17 05:46 |
| lightpriest_ | http://picasaweb.google.com/or.cohen007/InterestingStuff#5528941064741370546 | Oct 17 05:46 |
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| schestowitz | SCO ignored Groklaw | Oct 17 05:46 |
| gnufreex | I think LibreOffice is just Go-oo renamed. | Oct 17 05:47 |
| lightpriest_ | while it doesn't look that good. it looks a better then winphone7 | Oct 17 05:47 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: to a degree | Oct 17 05:47 |
| schestowitz | lightpriest_: the trolls were on it.. | Oct 17 05:48 |
| schestowitz | LiMo troll | Oct 17 05:48 |
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| lightpriest_ | what trolls? | Oct 17 05:48 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/#!/stonemirror/status/27606013438 | Oct 17 05:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/#!/stonemirror/status/27593069159 | Oct 17 05:48 |
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| gnufreex | Who is LiMo troll? Is that a new one? | Oct 17 05:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | lefty maybe? | Oct 17 05:49 |
| gnufreex | Oh, right. | Oct 17 05:49 |
| schestowitz | I blocked this troll in identica | Oct 17 05:49 |
| schestowitz | He nick-spams me | Oct 17 05:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh wait, you just linked to david schlesinger aka lefty | Oct 17 05:49 |
| schestowitz | I rarely do | Oct 17 05:49 |
| schestowitz | He's miserable | Oct 17 05:50 |
| schestowitz | He just harasses all day long now that he's a trollish bum | Oct 17 05:50 |
| gnufreex | Lol | Oct 17 05:51 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Did you read ubuntu forums thread I linked yesterday? I wanted to puke affter reading it. | Oct 17 05:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.slaw.ca/2010/10/15/canadian-copyright-book-released-in-print-and-online/ | Oct 17 05:52 |
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| gnufreex | Didn't see that much M$$$ shilling for long time. | Oct 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: i didn't get the chance to descend to the forums | Oct 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: it's OK, it means it grow | Oct 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: it's OK, it means it grows | Oct 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu Forums that is | Oct 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | So it becomes a vacation place for trolls | Oct 17 05:53 |
| gnufreex | That is bad. It is like saying MS fourms grow, so it is good. | Oct 17 05:53 |
| schestowitz | it would be worse if it simply got ignored | Oct 17 05:54 |
| gnufreex | UF is literaly overtaken by trolls | Oct 17 05:54 |
| gnufreex | They are not trolls, now Linux peop | Oct 17 05:54 |
| gnufreex | le | Oct 17 05:54 |
| gnufreex | Are trolls | Oct 17 05:54 |
| schestowitz | many ubuntu users are reforms Windows users | Oct 17 05:54 |
| schestowitz | Today I got a nice E-mail from someone who moved to Ubuntu with a whole movement | Oct 17 05:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Brazil Should Lead on Access to Essential Medicines - http://huff.to/c8Ox9z great analysis of drug patents (via @DaHammerstein) #patents | Oct 17 05:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: Subscribed and thanks for keeping us all up to date. | Oct 17 05:54 | |
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| schestowitz | Heard of him through y cousin | Oct 17 05:54 |
| schestowitz | She's an activist | Oct 17 05:55 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: but they look for impressionable people on the fence in UF | Oct 17 05:55 |
| schestowitz | To cause unertainty | Oct 17 05:55 |
| schestowitz | "Flash didn't work? Why not go back to Windows under Linux is ReadyForTheDesktop(TM)?" | Oct 17 05:55 |
| lightpriest_ | http://twitter.com/#!/orpriest/status/27624393633 | Oct 17 05:56 |
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| MinceR | does canonical control UF? | Oct 17 06:01 |
| gnufreex | Don't know. Maybe. | Oct 17 06:01 |
| MinceR | perhaps the ubuntu hype should be counteracted and new users should be directed towards other distro(s) -- so that canonical's acquiescence of m$ apologist trolls will have less of an effect | Oct 17 06:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rcweir Presentations on #ODF to Braille and ODF to EPub. This portion of the #ODFPlugfest is focusing on converters. | Oct 17 06:03 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it does | Oct 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | Not Kubuntu-forums | Oct 17 06:03 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Oct 17 06:03 |
| MinceR | perhaps they don't care about bug #1 anymore, only money | Oct 17 06:03 |
| gnufreex | I saw some similariries between Shuttleworth's blog posts and some trolls. But maybe it just looks that way. | Oct 17 06:04 |
| MinceR | pushing mono and bìng seems to point to that | Oct 17 06:04 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/#!/leeschlesinger is no longer with sourceforge | Oct 17 06:05 |
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| schestowitz | Layoffs? | Oct 17 06:05 |
| gnufreex | I read some ex FSF paid hackers saying they went to Canonical on job inteview, and decided not to take the job. | Oct 17 06:05 |
| schestowitz | Geeknet I mean | Oct 17 06:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: money bugs him | Oct 17 06:05 |
| oiaohm | Realy I hope to get to messing with systemd configuration tools this week. | Oct 17 06:05 |
| oiaohm | I have a little plan. | Oct 17 06:06 |
| oiaohm | My goal if I pull it off is a boot up option will allow the complete system to be reconfigured basically from nothing. | Oct 17 06:07 |
| schestowitz | http://oti.newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_of_cell_phone_plans_and_prices | Oct 17 06:16 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #WTF ♺ @schestowitz: RT @graziano #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crp | Oct 17 06:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Case of Saeed Malekpour: Web Developer Jailed Since 2008, facing death penalty for someone using his code http://ur1.ca/23e7v | Oct 17 06:18 | |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/27558241964 "Yesterday the #FSFE published false claims, saying that licensing patents from 3rd parties is incompatible with all key FOSS licenses #liars" | Oct 17 06:18 |
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| schestowitz | The mobbyists sidle with BSA | Oct 17 06:18 |
| gnufreex | I linked that... | Oct 17 06:18 |
| gnufreex | He is so obvious troll... I wonder why LWN don't kick him out. | Oct 17 06:19 |
| schestowitz | More Microsoft promotion from the mobbyist: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/27610530831 | Oct 17 06:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] And now time for cooking a good #risotto | Oct 17 06:21 | |
| gnufreex | Who is that nymtsh | Oct 17 06:21 |
| gnufreex | NY times? | Oct 17 06:22 |
| gnufreex | They are mobbyists? | Oct 17 06:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] After having installed #Opera mini and FireFox on my #Desire. Good to have alternatives and all have good features. | Oct 17 06:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @tracyrreed I am now a CAcert Assurer. http://cacert.org > the generous man behind !techrights hosting | Oct 17 06:23 | |
| schestowitz | No, the mobbyists RTs thewm | Oct 17 06:23 |
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| schestowitz | No, the mobbyist RTs them | Oct 17 06:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Currently looking at android phones now, do you recommend the nexusone or is it missing a feature you'd like? | Oct 17 06:26 | |
| oiaohm | Boy the Oracle boys don't get it with libreoffice. schestowitz | Oct 17 06:34 |
| oiaohm | Redhat SUSE Debian Ubuntu Fedora. That I know of have been shipping go-oo labeled as Openoffice for a long time. | Oct 17 06:35 |
| oiaohm | Now they will ship labeled as libreoffice this is more than a major crack in the OpenOffice world. | Oct 17 06:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] suggestion: a preprint archive for clinical trials - http://bit.ly/c1PviT "should ideally provide the main results as downloadable datasets" | Oct 17 06:39 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: In which I suggest a preprint archive for clinical trials | Gobbledygook .::. Size~: 38.27 KB | Oct 17 06:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] rumo a Salvador, BA, para http://www.eticahacker.faced.ufba.br/ | Oct 17 06:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] in praise of copying - http://bit.ly/auab5F "I argue that copying is a fundamental part of being"; free PDF of book #copying | Oct 17 06:48 | |
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| schestowitz | [11:36] <oiaohm> Now they will ship labeled as libreoffice this is more than a major crack in the OpenOffice world. | Oct 17 07:00 |
| schestowitz | Not a big deal | Oct 17 07:00 |
| schestowitz | But... | Oct 17 07:00 |
| schestowitz | What do they call Writer? | Oct 17 07:00 |
| schestowitz | And Presenter.. | Oct 17 07:00 |
| schestowitz | Aren't these also TMs? | Oct 17 07:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant TM simple words like that | Oct 17 07:01 |
| schestowitz | You can | Oct 17 07:01 |
| schestowitz | There's worse | Oct 17 07:01 |
| gnufreex | Windows is trademark | Oct 17 07:01 |
| gnufreex | Office too | Oct 17 07:01 |
| schestowitz | Mac | Oct 17 07:01 |
| gnufreex | that too | Oct 17 07:01 |
| gnufreex | And bob | Oct 17 07:01 |
| schestowitz | Hey. I'm BOB!!! | Oct 17 07:01 |
| schestowitz | Bob & Bob to file class action vs MSFT Corp. | Oct 17 07:01 |
| gnufreex | I think that would happen if Bob made any sucess... | Oct 17 07:02 |
| gnufreex | I wish it did. It would make a laugh. | Oct 17 07:02 |
| gnufreex | All Bobs of the world sue Microsoft | Oct 17 07:03 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-and-Oracle-Prepare-Massive-Security-Updates-for-Tuesday-160179.shtml | Oct 17 07:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft and Oracle Prepare Massive Security Updates for Tuesday - Softpedia .::. Size~: 46.11 KB | Oct 17 07:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also owns MikeRowe | Oct 17 07:04 |
| schestowitz | And Lindows | Oct 17 07:04 |
| gnufreex | MikeRowe...lol | Oct 17 07:04 |
| gnufreex | I know about Lindows | Oct 17 07:04 |
| gnufreex | Those idiots could invalidate Windows trademark | Oct 17 07:04 |
| gnufreex | And they sold out. | Oct 17 07:04 |
| gnufreex | For 20 milion | Oct 17 07:04 |
| schestowitz | WHo would want to fake Windows? | Oct 17 07:05 |
| schestowitz | It's a crappy TM | Oct 17 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | [07:01:28] <gnufreex> Windows is trademark | Oct 17 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Oct 17 07:05 |
| schestowitz | The "Windows" cruiser | Oct 17 07:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | Microsoft Windows is. | Oct 17 07:05 |
| schestowitz | Would you buy it? | Oct 17 07:05 |
| gnufreex | It is good for pissing off Microsoft. | Oct 17 07:05 |
| MinceR | m$ also attacked "Windows Commander" | Oct 17 07:06 |
| gnufreex | Call your stuff Windblows | Oct 17 07:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Uk I hear 13xdosh lost in tax fraud than benefit fraud, all we hear is benefit fraud, bad. BTW taking responsibility for my own data !fs | Oct 17 07:08 | |
| schestowitz | Twitter; "Sorry! You've hit your hourly usage limit. Try again soon." | Oct 17 07:09 |
| schestowitz | What? | Oct 17 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Is this a new upselling thing/ | Oct 17 07:09 |
| gnufreex | lol, they made hour limit? | Oct 17 07:10 |
| schestowitz | they give error pages | Oct 17 07:10 |
| schestowitz | So one needs to wait | Oct 17 07:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Loading Tweets seems to be taking a while. | Oct 17 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information. | Oct 17 07:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 07:10 |
| schestowitz | no problema, I'll ditch them | Oct 17 07:10 |
| schestowitz | I onlt joined twitter after I had joined identica cause some people I know didn't use identica | Oct 17 07:11 |
| schestowitz | Identica is ahead in every way | Oct 17 07:12 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Makes-Hotmail-Password-Recovery-Safer-158346.shtml | Oct 17 07:12 |
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| schestowitz | For the forgetful types | Oct 17 07:12 |
| schestowitz | "In Korea, only old people use Hotmail" | Oct 17 07:12 |
| schestowitz | Only Seniles buy a Zune | Oct 17 07:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/good-riddance-oracle-now-can-libreoffice-make-a-difference/39768 | Oct 17 07:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Good riddance Oracle! Now can LibreOffice make a difference? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 130.35 KB | Oct 17 07:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @front243 IE6 simulator that works on !linux http://is.gd/g5oSB | Oct 17 07:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Russian tiger summit offers 'last chance' to save species in the wild - http://bit.ly/c6lxO3 say goodbye to an iconic animal #conservation | Oct 17 07:14 | |
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| oiaohm | Writer and Presenter cannot be modernday TM. schestowitz | Oct 17 07:14 |
| schestowitz | Why not? | Oct 17 07:15 |
| schestowitz | I know they should not | Oct 17 07:15 |
| schestowitz | But look at existing TMs | Oct 17 07:15 |
| oiaohm | Prior confliting trademarks. | Oct 17 07:15 |
| oiaohm | So no one can own them. | Oct 17 07:15 |
| oiaohm | Same with Calc. | Oct 17 07:16 |
| oiaohm | Base is also safe. | Oct 17 07:16 |
| oiaohm | Only one they have to watch out for is Impress | Oct 17 07:16 |
| oiaohm | I don't know of any trademark conflits there. | Oct 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20019601-263.html | Oct 17 07:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Excel documents not opening after Office update | MacFixIt - CNET Reviews .::. Size~: 76 KB | Oct 17 07:17 |
| oiaohm | But Impress could be renamed Presenter without major issues. | Oct 17 07:18 |
| schestowitz | What can this be? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/announcement-from-microsoft-office-division-2010-10-15?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Oct 17 07:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.rttnews.com/Content/TopStories.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1434794 | Oct 17 07:19 |
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| oiaohm | Is that the announcement schestowitz? | Oct 17 07:19 |
| schestowitz | no | Oct 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | that's the thing, they already made a big announcement | Oct 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe some hype attempt | Oct 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | A fog compouting thing | Oct 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | I notice now | Oct 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | In 3 weeks... | Oct 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Only 4 headlines with "azure" in them | Oct 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | The thing failed badly | Oct 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | No market demand | Oct 17 07:20 |
| oiaohm | Could be another round of facebook intergration or another attack on openoffice. | Oct 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | One exception: http://www.onwindows.com/Articles/Microsoft-Descartes-use-Azure-cloud/5343/Default.aspx | Oct 17 07:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft, Descartes use Azure cloud | Microsoft News | OnWindows.com .::. Size~: 43.62 KB | Oct 17 07:21 |
| oiaohm | Even that last week facebook was glitching to hell. | Oct 17 07:21 |
| oiaohm | Shocking would be MS Office on android or something out strange. | Oct 17 07:21 |
| oiaohm | Hang on we are missing the announcement. | Oct 17 07:21 |
| oiaohm | I almost bet it will be a windows mobile 7 MS office intergration demo. | Oct 17 07:22 |
| oiaohm | That platform needs saving. | Oct 17 07:22 |
| schestowitz | And this fluff: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/12/2302985/microsoft-research-makes-microsoft.html | Oct 17 07:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Research Makes Microsoft Biology Foundation and MODISAzure-Based Environmental Service Available to Scientists and Researchers - KansasCity.com .::. Size~: 85.72 KB | Oct 17 07:22 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like the "labs" PR | Oct 17 07:22 |
| schestowitz | scientists love FOSS | Oct 17 07:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah | Oct 17 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Office for TurdMobile7 | Oct 17 07:23 |
| oiaohm | After every windows mobile release there has been one. | Oct 17 07:24 |
| oiaohm | So far we have not had that demo. | Oct 17 07:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes dating back to 1996 | Oct 17 07:24 |
| oiaohm | If it don't happen TurdMobile 7 is dead. | Oct 17 07:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Last year Microsoft opened a store. It then opened few more, spreading viral videos. Months ago -> radio silence. http://ur1.ca/23epm | Oct 17 07:26 | |
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| oiaohm | Really I wonder how long before google opens a store. | Oct 17 07:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft -- like Yahoo -- no longer knows what it is. Software, services, hardware, games? It fails at almost all things, exc. cash cows. | Oct 17 07:28 | |
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| Jellykernel | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/10/microsoft-posts-video-of-customers-criticizing-openoffice.ars | Oct 17 07:28 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Poor @timoreilly needs Microsoft to help him make money. http://ur1.ca/23erb | Oct 17 07:29 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Open+Source+Code+is+Too+Expensive+Harms+Students+Grades/article19902.htm | Oct 17 07:30 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: | Oct 17 07:30 |
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| schestowitz | I bet you saw them all | Oct 17 07:30 |
| schestowitz | I put lots in Daily Links | Oct 17 07:30 |
| schestowitz | Gold mine | Oct 17 07:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft ->open source | Oct 17 07:30 |
| oiaohm | Yes I saw that. schestowitz | Oct 17 07:31 |
| oiaohm | I was asking if mabye some time should techrights run a competition for a open source marketing videos. | Oct 17 07:31 |
| schestowitz | I hate marketing | Oct 17 07:32 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft has choosen Youtube a costless site at the battle ground. | Oct 17 07:32 |
| schestowitz | When I see nice videos I make Ogg and post | Oct 17 07:32 |
| schestowitz | But I produce no ads | Oct 17 07:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: since years ago | Oct 17 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Novell does too | Oct 17 07:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microoft loves open source http://ur1.ca/23esl Wait, WHAT? | Oct 17 07:33 | |
| schestowitz | Soapbox is dead | Oct 17 07:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DailyTech - Microsoft: Open Source Code is Too Expensive, Harms Students' Grades .::. Size~: 558.76 KB | Oct 17 07:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/student-journalist-openly-rebuffed-by-steve-jobs-wins-microsoft-20101015/ | Oct 17 07:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Student journalist openly rebuffed by Steve Jobs wins Microsoft Twitter contest – Cell Phones & Mobile Device Technology News & Updates | Geek.com .::. Size~: 58.19 KB | Oct 17 07:34 |
| schestowitz | http://gigaom.com/2010/10/12/linux-starts-to-eat-microsofts-lunch-in-servers/ | Oct 17 07:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Starts to Eat Microsofts Lunch in Servers: Tech News « .::. Size~: 68.21 KB | Oct 17 07:35 |
| oiaohm | That will get worse | Oct 17 07:36 |
| oiaohm | Way worse. | Oct 17 07:36 |
| oiaohm | Samba has not release ADS support yet and openchange has not released exchange emulation yet. | Oct 17 07:37 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101006005914/en/Wipro-Partners-Citrix-Microsoft-Deliver-Desktop-Service | Oct 17 07:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Wipro Partners with Citrix and Microsoft to Deliver Desktop as a Service Solution | Business Wire .::. Size~: 74.84 KB | Oct 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Wipro is a Microsoft ally too | Oct 17 07:38 |
| oiaohm | Yes. But its also reducing licensing costs. | Oct 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Likewise fights Samba | Oct 17 07:38 |
| oiaohm | So reducing MS income. | Oct 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Adding Microsoft patent tax to it | Oct 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Like Android tax | Oct 17 07:38 |
| oiaohm | Likewise does not provide ADS server. | Oct 17 07:38 |
| oiaohm | instead just provides ADS intergration. | Oct 17 07:39 |
| schestowitz | "The Wipro DaaS solution is based on Citrix XenDesktop® and leverages Citrix FlexCast™ delivery technology to provide multiple types of virtual desktops – hosted or local, physical or virtual – each specifically tailored to meet the performance, security and flexibility requirements of each individual user. " | Oct 17 07:39 |
| oiaohm | Yes likewise produces can link to a Samba 4 ADS server. | Oct 17 07:39 |
| schestowitz | No Linux | Oct 17 07:39 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: when citrix bought xen they renamed all their shit to XenThis, XenThat | Oct 17 07:39 |
| schestowitz | I know | Oct 17 07:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | XenVibrator | Oct 17 07:39 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: that's just the old citrix metaframe crap | Oct 17 07:39 |
| schestowitz | They still do thin Windows clients | Oct 17 07:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | for all your being fucked in the ass by microsoft needs | Oct 17 07:40 |
| schestowitz | or remote access | Oct 17 07:40 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: your virtual machine is Xen, you know | Oct 17 07:40 |
| nenolod | and well, KVM simply doesn't scale | Oct 17 07:40 |
| nenolod | oh well, i tried it | Oct 17 07:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: I just hate citrix | Oct 17 07:40 |
| MinceR | citrix should buy xenix, then they could release it as XenIx | Oct 17 07:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: FFFFFFF | Oct 17 07:40 |
| schestowitz | Citrix should try to service Linux more | Oct 17 07:41 |
| schestowitz | It gave up, I think | Oct 17 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat put KVM in Linux ~2.6.34 | Oct 17 07:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: Citrix is Microsoft. | Oct 17 07:41 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: .24 | Oct 17 07:41 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: KVM is garbage though | Oct 17 07:41 |
| schestowitz | .24 was ages ago | Oct 17 07:41 |
| nenolod | 04:41:45 up 145 days, 11:43, 1 user, load average: 18.65, 18.20, 17.76 | Oct 17 07:41 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: KVM not scale what is the issue. | Oct 17 07:42 |
| nenolod | ^ kvm box | Oct 17 07:42 |
| schestowitz | techrights run on a xen instance | Oct 17 07:42 |
| nenolod | it's called "QEMU is crap" | Oct 17 07:42 |
| schestowitz | For now.. | Oct 17 07:42 |
| schestowitz | The new centos is all kvm | Oct 17 07:42 |
| nenolod | xen itself isn't the problem | Oct 17 07:42 |
| nenolod | just stay away from citrix xen | Oct 17 07:42 |
| nenolod | and you're good | Oct 17 07:42 |
| schestowitz | had uptime of 100+ days till last week | Oct 17 07:42 |
| nenolod | yes, that's because redhat has put their money on kvm | Oct 17 07:42 |
| nenolod | which is crazy | Oct 17 07:42 |
| MinceR | is anyone other than citrix maintaining a fork of it? | Oct 17 07:42 |
| schestowitz | The hard-drive needed replacing | Oct 17 07:42 |
| MinceR | xen, that is | Oct 17 07:43 |
| oiaohm | I have not had a problem with KVM scaling. nenolod | Oct 17 07:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: you dont have like 100 thousand customers like neno does | Oct 17 07:43 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: that box has 20 VMs running on it. | Oct 17 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Xen was a FOSS success story in 2006/7 | Oct 17 07:43 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: it has less VMs than it has cores available. | Oct 17 07:43 |
| schestowitz | It was too good | Oct 17 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft had to have it | Oct 17 07:43 |
| nenolod | microsoft does not have it | Oct 17 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Then there were rumours about Microsoft buying it | Oct 17 07:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/67126 | Oct 17 07:44 |
| oiaohm | I have had upto 30 on a box. nenolod | Oct 17 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft, Citrix and Wipro partner to outsource virtual desktops | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 95.84 KB | Oct 17 07:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Back to Microsoft Subnet | Oct 17 07:44 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft Update | Oct 17 07:44 |
| schestowitz | by Julie Bort | Oct 17 07:44 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 07:44 |
| nenolod | don't care | Oct 17 07:44 |
| oiaohm | There are a few things but. Number 1 not running windows in there at all nenolod | Oct 17 07:44 |
| schestowitz | "Julie Bort is the editor of Microsoft Subnet and Network World's Online Community Editor." | Oct 17 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "She also writes the [Pseudo-]Open Source Subnet blog" | Oct 17 07:45 |
| schestowitz | "we in FOSS should leave Mirosoft alone etc etc" | Oct 17 07:45 |
| nenolod | if an actual microsoft takeover of xen happens, then i will fork it | Oct 17 07:45 |
| nenolod | until then | Oct 17 07:45 |
| nenolod | seriously. don't. care. | Oct 17 07:45 |
| nenolod | we have measures in effect for such a scenario - we already have our own tree of xen that we work off internally. | Oct 17 07:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | its called nenohatescitrix | Oct 17 07:46 |
| nenolod | i have a lot more important things to worry about, like feeding my family | Oct 17 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: you know, its absurd, like, eventually my entire desktop will be your shit | Oct 17 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, I use neno media player | Oct 17 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Ill eventually switch to neno linux distro | Oct 17 07:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sdtimes.com/link/34803 | Oct 17 07:48 |
| nenolod | after all, the war on freedom is something we let schestowitz & lefty duke it out over | Oct 17 07:48 |
| schestowitz | "Rob Enderle, principal analyst at The Enderle Group..." | Oct 17 07:48 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Oct 17 07:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft and Adobe: Better as partners - SD Times: Software Development News .::. Size~: 126.06 KB | Oct 17 07:48 |
| nenolod | <3 | Oct 17 07:48 |
| MinceR | lol @ lefty | Oct 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: lol what | Oct 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, why is lefty even alive | Oct 17 07:48 |
| nenolod | Microsoft and Adobe | Oct 17 07:48 |
| nenolod | yeah actually | Oct 17 07:48 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: good question | Oct 17 07:48 |
| nenolod | that works pretty well | Oct 17 07:48 |
| oiaohm | Ok own tree of xen explains something nenolod. I have not found stock xen much better than kvm in a lot of ways. | Oct 17 07:48 |
| nenolod | seeing as flash is a pile of ass | Oct 17 07:48 |
| schestowitz | Rob Enderle, principal analyst of a one-man group called after himself.... | Oct 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: its retarded | Oct 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | because photoshop on windows STILL leaks memory | Oct 17 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | on osx it doesnt | Oct 17 07:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | and on osx it runs a fair bit faster too | Oct 17 07:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | photoshop on windows didnt even exist until like version 3 or 4 | Oct 17 07:49 |
| oiaohm | Most likely you have the bugs in xen that annoy me fixed. nenolod | Oct 17 07:49 |
| MinceR | well, if m$ bought adobe, they could make it leak on osx, too | Oct 17 07:49 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: KVM works great as long as your goal is to do HVM. | Oct 17 07:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: huuurRRrrrRRRrrRRrrrRrrrRRrrRRR | Oct 17 07:49 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: i only do PV domains with xen | Oct 17 07:49 |
| nenolod | HVM is a giant waste of time there | Oct 17 07:49 |
| nenolod | infact, we removed the code | Oct 17 07:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they an go #2 on it while they're at it | Oct 17 07:50 |
| schestowitz | /an/can/ | Oct 17 07:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 07:50 |
| nenolod | infact, i removed HVM code and stability went up by an order of magnitude | Oct 17 07:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep I am more doing HVM assisted. | Oct 17 07:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/msft_radvision-partners-with-microsoft-1232409.html | Oct 17 07:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Radvision Partners with Microsoft | TradingMarkets.com .::. Size~: 27.66 KB | Oct 17 07:51 |
| nenolod | KVM is a lot better for that | Oct 17 07:51 |
| oiaohm | And xen HVM code is what you kinda call a dog breakfast. | Oct 17 07:51 |
| nenolod | but until there's a replacement to Xen PV | Oct 17 07:51 |
| nenolod | i'm not interested :p | Oct 17 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is losing in UC, IPTV, streaming... CDN.. | Oct 17 07:51 |
| oiaohm | Ok at least I understand where we are different now. nenolod | Oct 17 07:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: not true | Oct 17 07:51 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: yeah. AT&T was Microsoft's biggest IPTV client. | Oct 17 07:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | I heard xbox is getting netflix now | Oct 17 07:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohoho | Oct 17 07:51 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: they've switched to h264 | Oct 17 07:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | (after everything does netflix) | Oct 17 07:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | ps3... wii.... computers.... stand alone devices.... TVs... bluray players.... | Oct 17 07:52 |
| schestowitz | netflix=MS | Oct 17 07:52 |
| schestowitz | virtually | Oct 17 07:53 |
| nenolod | netflix is a lot more useful than MS | Oct 17 07:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft execs | Oct 17 07:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to the Pestalozzischule for a day of BUSC rehearsals. #Richard | Oct 17 07:53 | |
| schestowitz | So Silver Lie | Oct 17 07:53 |
| nenolod | one has porn on demand | Oct 17 07:53 |
| nenolod | the other does not | Oct 17 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Xen PV map up is Lguest but it needs more work. nenolod | Oct 17 07:53 |
| nenolod | just sayin' | Oct 17 07:53 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: BZZT | Oct 17 07:53 |
| schestowitz | <nenolod> netflix is a lot more useful than MS > sure, I exaggerated | Oct 17 07:53 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: Xen PV maps up to Lguest in a world where LINUX is the only OS anyone would want to run | Oct 17 07:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yes, but if all these so called microsoft guys work at netflix | Oct 17 07:53 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: there's Plan9, NetBSD, FreeBSD xen vms running on my infrastructure | Oct 17 07:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck is xbox the LAST platform to get netfli | Oct 17 07:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | *flix | Oct 17 07:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also the shittiest | Oct 17 07:54 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: i think there's some opensolaris in there too | Oct 17 07:54 |
| nenolod | but i'd have to go look | Oct 17 07:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | google's browser in a box for TVs does netflix better | Oct 17 07:54 |
| nenolod | i dunno | Oct 17 07:54 |
| nenolod | i like my xbox360 | Oct 17 07:54 |
| nenolod | it's like one of the few things MS got right in this decade | Oct 17 07:54 |
| MinceR | got your RRoD yet? :> | Oct 17 07:54 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | hello RRoD? | Oct 17 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | the fuckers are shit | Oct 17 07:55 |
| MinceR | if an over 50% hw failure rate is "getting it right" then i don't want to own stuff anyone "got right" :> | Oct 17 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | they died faster than the first gen fat PS2s | Oct 17 07:55 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: the 45nm process ones don't do that anymore | Oct 17 07:55 |
| nenolod | for what it is worth | Oct 17 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: yes, but microsoft is fucking retarded | Oct 17 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | they should have waited a year and got it right | Oct 17 07:55 |
| nenolod | MinceR: i'm talking UX-wise | Oct 17 07:55 |
| nenolod | MinceR: stuff has warranties | Oct 17 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats with all this rushing to market shit | Oct 17 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, look at that new final fantasy game | Oct 17 07:56 |
| nenolod | MinceR: with everything being made in China now (well, if you live in the US) | Oct 17 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | apparently, its not even FINISHED | Oct 17 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt even WORK | Oct 17 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they're selling it | Oct 17 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats like, fucking EA tactics right there | Oct 17 07:56 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: it's an MMO. that's how MMOs work. | Oct 17 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im pretty sure on launch day, WoW worked. | Oct 17 07:56 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: WoW worked, but didn't have everything completed | Oct 17 07:56 |
| nenolod | it was "playable" | Oct 17 07:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30779/Goldman_Sachs_Recommends_Microsoft_Split_Off_Xbox_Business.php | Oct 17 07:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gamasutra - News - Goldman Sachs Recommends Microsoft Split Off Xbox Business .::. Size~: 153.53 KB | Oct 17 07:56 |
| nenolod | the idea is, you get enough of it playable | Oct 17 07:57 |
| nenolod | then you push it to market | Oct 17 07:57 |
| nenolod | and finish up the rest of the map | Oct 17 07:57 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: yeah i would think spinning it off would be a good thing | Oct 17 07:57 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.forbes.com/victoriabarret/2010/10/05/goldman-to-microsoft-do-something/?boxes=Homepagechannels | Oct 17 07:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Goldman to Microsoft: Do Something - Victoria Barret - Upside Potential - Forbes .::. Size~: 83.16 KB | Oct 17 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: Im not saying they need all the content done | Oct 17 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is impossible, the content is NEVER done | Oct 17 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | the new FF mmo doesnt even _function_ | Oct 17 07:57 |
| nenolod | microsoft should spin off Bing | Oct 17 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | into what... Yahoo? | Oct 17 07:58 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 07:58 |
| MinceR | m$ should close shop so they don't die the slow way | Oct 17 07:58 |
| nenolod | the problem with microsoft is that there is a culture there of micro management | Oct 17 07:58 |
| nenolod | xbox was actually initially a skunkworks thing | Oct 17 07:58 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: lguest support does not end at linux. Freebsd and plan9 do have versions. The one part I wish was moved to lguest is kvm xenloader it really don't make sence there. | Oct 17 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | so basically... Yahoo licenses their engine to Microsoft.... and then ... Microsoft hands it back to Yahoo? | Oct 17 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I HEART MICROSOFT | Oct 17 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously | Oct 17 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish someday I can mismanage a company that hard | Oct 17 07:59 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: [citation needed] | Oct 17 07:59 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 17 07:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats some pretty funny shit right there | Oct 17 07:59 |
| nenolod | $ grep lguest /usr/src/sys/* | wc -l | Oct 17 08:00 |
| nenolod | 0 | Oct 17 08:00 |
| <--Jellykernel has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | Oct 17 08:00 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/549320/201010041835/Apple-Now-Targeted-For-Success-Like-Microsoft-Was-In-The-1990s.aspx | Oct 17 08:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple Now Targeted For Success Like Microsoft Was In The 1990s - IBD - Investors.com .::. Size~: 129.16 KB | Oct 17 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Lesson: if people are criticized, it's always due to jealousy | Oct 17 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Brought to you by... INVETORS.COM | Oct 17 08:04 |
| schestowitz | *INVESTORS.COM | Oct 17 08:04 |
| nenolod | sometimes that is the case, not with the iphone though | Oct 17 08:05 |
| nenolod | the iphone is weak | Oct 17 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "Don't listen to them, they just hatin'!" | Oct 17 08:05 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: do you read french? For some reason I am only finding 2009 instructions to use plan 9 on lguest in french. | Oct 17 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "The homeless choose to be homeless" | Oct 17 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "The jobless are lazy" | Oct 17 08:05 |
| nenolod | android is shite, but it's already won because of market penetration | Oct 17 08:05 |
| oiaohm | Or what looks like french to me. | Oct 17 08:05 |
| nenolod | it's the "least bad" | Oct 17 08:05 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: yeah | Oct 17 08:05 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: i found plan9 | Oct 17 08:05 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: freebsd is a bit more important | Oct 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | "The economy is tanking cause of the unemployed" [not Wall Street speculators] | Oct 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Android can make phone calls | Oct 17 08:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | the economy isnt tanking | Oct 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | I guess that's enough | Oct 17 08:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it never did | Oct 17 08:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just properly repriced assets | Oct 17 08:06 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: lol | Oct 17 08:06 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: so can the iphone* | Oct 17 08:06 |
| nenolod | * provided you hold it the right way | Oct 17 08:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: :D | Oct 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | That too | Oct 17 08:07 |
| nenolod | man | Oct 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | hypePhone is not for calls | Oct 17 08:07 |
| MinceR | well, m$ has an idea about what caused the hypePhone to be successful, and they're trying it out | Oct 17 08:07 |
| nenolod | i switched from Cox to AT&T | Oct 17 08:07 |
| MinceR | so far, kin flopped | Oct 17 08:07 |
| nenolod | i called them up | Oct 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | it's to tell your friends you're better | Oct 17 08:07 |
| nenolod | they offered to buy out my vzw contract | Oct 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | It also does other thing | Oct 17 08:07 |
| nenolod | and give me an iphone 4 for free | Oct 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Like fart apps and stuff | Oct 17 08:07 |
| nenolod | i'm like "nah, i'll keep my blackberry curve" | Oct 17 08:07 |
| nenolod | the guy was like, "why?!" | Oct 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | For farting while you talk to your boyfriend | Oct 17 08:07 |
| nenolod | "well, unlike this new stuff, the curve just works" | Oct 17 08:08 |
| nenolod | software freedom + doesn't work is not really too useful for me | Oct 17 08:08 |
| nenolod | otherwise i guess i would be enthusiastic about android | Oct 17 08:08 |
| nenolod | but like, i need an actually working email client | Oct 17 08:08 |
| nenolod | and android has yet to deliver on anything that is usable | Oct 17 08:09 |
| schestowitz | gmail | Oct 17 08:09 |
| schestowitz | fog... | Oct 17 08:09 |
| nenolod | seriously, if your email client can't let you edit the entire email reply | Oct 17 08:09 |
| nenolod | it sucks | Oct 17 08:09 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 08:09 |
| schestowitz | ads | Oct 17 08:09 |
| schestowitz | gmail=ads | Oct 17 08:09 |
| nenolod | gmail is bad for 2 reasons: | Oct 17 08:09 |
| schestowitz | One-billion dollar market | Oct 17 08:09 |
| schestowitz | Says Schmidt right now | Oct 17 08:10 |
| nenolod | (1) you have to outsource to the google cloud | Oct 17 08:10 |
| nenolod | (2) forced top posting in the gmail app | Oct 17 08:10 |
| schestowitz | It also sends ads inside the msgs | Oct 17 08:10 |
| nenolod | ok, that's a third reason | Oct 17 08:10 |
| nenolod | you know one great thing about bb is: no ads | Oct 17 08:10 |
| nenolod | yeah it's closed source | Oct 17 08:10 |
| nenolod | but | Oct 17 08:10 |
| schestowitz | when do we get 'free' SMTP server from GOOG? | Oct 17 08:10 |
| nenolod | it has 2 great things going for it | Oct 17 08:10 |
| nenolod | (1) it works | Oct 17 08:10 |
| nenolod | (2) no stupid ads all over the place | Oct 17 08:11 |
| schestowitz | They already do DNS and link shorteners | Oct 17 08:11 |
| schestowitz | SMTP gives them more surveillance, 'free' of charge | Oct 17 08:11 |
| MinceR | i thought their SMTP already worked | Oct 17 08:11 |
| nenolod | anyway | Oct 17 08:11 |
| MinceR | (though they store everything you send, forever) | Oct 17 08:11 |
| schestowitz | with login | Oct 17 08:11 |
| nenolod | the android email app sucks | Oct 17 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Oct 17 08:11 |
| MinceR | yes, with login | Oct 17 08:11 |
| MinceR | global smtp without login would be spam heaven | Oct 17 08:11 |
| nenolod | it presents an email reply like | Oct 17 08:11 |
| nenolod | [your reply here] | Oct 17 08:12 |
| nenolod | Quoted text: [X] | Oct 17 08:12 |
| nenolod | [immutable email that you're replying to here] | Oct 17 08:12 |
| nenolod | [send!!!!] | Oct 17 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Google could set limits on SMTP usage | Oct 17 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Or blacklist spammers | Oct 17 08:12 |
| nenolod | this really sucks as far as a UI goes | Oct 17 08:12 |
| nenolod | i mean, it really sucks | Oct 17 08:12 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: i used to do the whole anti-spam thing. it's a losing battle | Oct 17 08:12 |
| MinceR | they must have used outlook too much | Oct 17 08:12 |
| schestowitz | then there's phone | Oct 17 08:13 |
| nenolod | i mean the android UX is so bad it sends me back to my bb curve every time for email | Oct 17 08:13 |
| schestowitz | mailrouter.man.ac.uk not subjected to it | Oct 17 08:13 |
| schestowitz | But how about BT or Virgin? | Oct 17 08:13 |
| schestowitz | They would let Phorm have any port they want | Oct 17 08:13 |
| schestowitz | They make money from selling personal data of their clients | Oct 17 08:14 |
| nenolod | ugh phorm | Oct 17 08:14 |
| nenolod | i remember that whole thing when i was living in wales | Oct 17 08:14 |
| schestowitz | Then they brag about low prices | Oct 17 08:14 |
| schestowitz | TalkTalk too | Oct 17 08:14 |
| nenolod | i was like | Oct 17 08:14 |
| nenolod | "haha, jokes on you assholes, i use eclipse" | Oct 17 08:14 |
| nenolod | then i found out | Oct 17 08:14 |
| nenolod | "eclipse is signing on to phorm" | Oct 17 08:14 |
| nenolod | and i was like "owned. :<" | Oct 17 08:15 |
| oiaohm | Really MinceR a know spammer feeding into a open smtp server that does not pass on the email but adds them to spam filter and filters rest of emial against is quite effective. | Oct 17 08:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's an entirely different application :> | Oct 17 08:15 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: that's called honeypots | Oct 17 08:15 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Oct 17 08:15 |
| nenolod | mail blacklisting results in crap like SORBS though | Oct 17 08:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: legitimate users would still need to log in | Oct 17 08:15 |
| oiaohm | No reason why google could not use there smtp as a honey pot. | Oct 17 08:16 |
| nenolod | SORBS is obnoxious | Oct 17 08:16 |
| nenolod | SORBS blacklisted my space because it looked like: | Oct 17 08:16 |
| nenolod | ip-67-202-104-180.chi2.systeminplace.net | Oct 17 08:16 |
| nenolod | instead of: | Oct 17 08:16 |
| nenolod | ip-67-202-104-180.static.chi2.systeminplace.net | Oct 17 08:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 17 08:16 |
| nenolod | they were like | Oct 17 08:16 |
| nenolod | WE COULDNT TELL IF IT WAS DYNAMIC OR NOT | Oct 17 08:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: DYNAMIC IPS ON VPSES | Oct 17 08:17 |
| MinceR | someone should manage a dynamic IP range with that ".static." element | Oct 17 08:17 |
| nenolod | MinceR: yes it is stupid | Oct 17 08:17 |
| nenolod | they are like | Oct 17 08:18 |
| nenolod | you should use .static. for static ips | Oct 17 08:18 |
| nenolod | and .dhcp. for dhcp ips | Oct 17 08:18 |
| nenolod | and .ppp. for ppp ips | Oct 17 08:18 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully when IPV6 eventionlly gets on Line. People paying static will not end up with old abused dynamic addresses | Oct 17 08:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | it IS online, douchenuts | Oct 17 08:18 |
| schestowitz | sheesh | Oct 17 08:19 |
| schestowitz | language! | Oct 17 08:19 |
| oiaohm | Around here its not. Diablo-D3 | Oct 17 08:19 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: i have 7 IPv6 bgp sessions up right now - pretty sure it's online | Oct 17 08:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: the internet's major core routers route ipv6 natively. | Oct 17 08:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | so FUD elsewhere kthx | Oct 17 08:19 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 | Oct 17 08:19 |
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| oiaohm | I was refering to here. Diablo-D3 Currently none of my local ISP offer IPV6 addresses. | Oct 17 08:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | so your local ISPs are incompatible with the Internet. | Oct 17 08:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | okay. | Oct 17 08:20 |
| nenolod | cox kept promising ipv6 | Oct 17 08:20 |
| nenolod | it never happened | Oct 17 08:20 |
| gnufreex | [13:42:53] <MinceR> is anyone other than citrix maintaining a fork of it? | Oct 17 08:21 |
| gnufreex | Oracle VM is fork of Xen | Oct 17 08:21 |
| *MinceR suspects that's not what nenolod is tracking :> | Oct 17 08:21 | |
| nenolod | oracle vm is a fork of xen yes | Oct 17 08:21 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: virtualiron | Oct 17 08:21 |
| nenolod | it's also a giant pile of crap | Oct 17 08:21 |
| nenolod | virtualiron is a fork of xen's hvm code only | Oct 17 08:22 |
| nenolod | it's probably a lot better than xen's hvm code though | Oct 17 08:22 |
| nenolod | VI used to be pretty good in the old days | Oct 17 08:22 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: No, it predates Virtual Iron. Virtual Iron is dead, Oracle bought it to kill it. | Oct 17 08:22 |
| nenolod | no, VI is pretty old | Oct 17 08:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: also, ffff music | Oct 17 08:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] question: anyone know of any active project for open access UK post code data? code<->street. OS released code->lat/long? | Oct 17 08:23 | |
| nenolod | VI is from 2002 | Oct 17 08:23 |
| nenolod | it competed with vmware ESX | Oct 17 08:23 |
| nenolod | vmware ESX really sucks though | Oct 17 08:23 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: Oracle bought them last year and killed everything. | Oct 17 08:23 |
| oiaohm | There are still very large sections of the gobal map that have not updated to support IPV6 yet. My area is 2 years off. Same time they lay fiber to homes. | Oct 17 08:23 |
| *schestowitz thought VI editor | Oct 17 08:23 | |
| nenolod | gnufreex: bummer | Oct 17 08:23 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 17 08:23 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: that's vi, not VI | Oct 17 08:24 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: oracle VM sucks anyhow | Oct 17 08:24 |
| schestowitz | [13:23] <nenolod> no, VI is pretty old | Oct 17 08:24 |
| schestowitz | That's where I was confused | Oct 17 08:24 |
| nenolod | yeah i was referring to the fact that virtualiron was around before xen | Oct 17 08:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | god used vi to write the lisp the universe is written in | Oct 17 08:25 |
| nenolod | if only | Oct 17 08:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait, maybe he used emacs | Oct 17 08:25 |
| *Diablo-D3 holds up a picture of God, and a picture of RMS | Oct 17 08:25 | |
| Diablo-D3 | you know, God has gained a few pounds | Oct 17 08:25 |
| nenolod | i bought a lisp machine at a garage sale like 10 years ago | Oct 17 08:25 |
| nenolod | it is awesome | Oct 17 08:25 |
| nenolod | amiga and lisp machines are actually quite similar conceptually | Oct 17 08:26 |
| nenolod | i mean look at ARexx | Oct 17 08:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | nothx | Oct 17 08:26 |
| nenolod | why doesn't FOSS still have this shit | Oct 17 08:26 |
| nenolod | still not* | Oct 17 08:26 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: no, he mostly hacked it up in Perl. | Oct 17 08:26 |
| nenolod | why does FOSS still not have this stuff | Oct 17 08:27 |
| nenolod | rather | Oct 17 08:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: because faggots lurv python | Oct 17 08:27 |
| nenolod | even windows has it with OLE/ActiveX | Oct 17 08:27 |
| MinceR | lol wut | Oct 17 08:27 |
| gnufreex | I wanted to learn Lisp, but couldn't find time to tinker... and it is of no use today. | Oct 17 08:27 |
| gnufreex | Maybe I learn Clojure | Oct 17 08:27 |
| gnufreex | Is it any good? | Oct 17 08:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | learn java you moron | Oct 17 08:28 |
| nenolod | the lack of first-class IPC in FOSS is depressing | Oct 17 08:28 |
| gnufreex | I know Java already | Oct 17 08:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | then you know all the languages you'll ever need to know | Oct 17 08:28 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 17 08:28 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: IPC ? | Oct 17 08:29 |
| nenolod | like, i mean dbus is horrible | Oct 17 08:29 |
| nenolod | dbus's functionality is something that should be in the kernel | Oct 17 08:29 |
| nenolod | you should be able to do | Oct 17 08:29 |
| gnufreex | Mach has great stuf... lol | Oct 17 08:29 |
| gnufreex | It hurts my brains | Oct 17 08:30 |
| nenolod | pid_t pid = 27348; ipchandle *ih = ipc_open(27348, DIR_REQ, PORT_MOO); | Oct 17 08:30 |
| oiaohm | There is a developers looking at moving dbus to kernel. nenolod | Oct 17 08:30 |
| nenolod | ih->send(&(port_moo_req_t){.cows = "go moo!!!!"}, sizeof(port_moo_req_t)); | Oct 17 08:30 |
| nenolod | but we can't | Oct 17 08:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats rather disgusting code | Oct 17 08:31 |
| nenolod | mind, you can do this on a system from 1985 | Oct 17 08:31 |
| nenolod | but we can't do it here | Oct 17 08:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: so, I hate myself now | Oct 17 08:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | I finally broke down and wrote an obj parser | Oct 17 08:31 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: i do not care about Java | Oct 17 08:31 |
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| Diablo-D3 | no, wavefront objs. | Oct 17 08:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | as in, the world's worst 3D format | Oct 17 08:31 |
| nenolod | actually | Oct 17 08:32 |
| nenolod | &(type){member-decls} is a neat C99-ism | Oct 17 08:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | its disgusting | Oct 17 08:32 |
| nenolod | yeah, but it's oh so useful | Oct 17 08:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | that'd be like doing Foo bar = new Foo(){.quux()} | Oct 17 08:33 |
| nenolod | that's valid C# | Oct 17 08:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck, really? | Oct 17 08:33 |
| nenolod | oops, did i say that aloud here? | Oct 17 08:33 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 08:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I hate C# even more now | Oct 17 08:33 |
| nenolod | i remember this because | Oct 17 08:33 |
| nenolod | somebody filed a bug when we were writing the DotGNU portable C#.NET compiler | Oct 17 08:34 |
| nenolod | then Ximian came along, stole all our code ported it to GLib and it was "game over, man" | Oct 17 08:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | valola | Oct 17 08:34 |
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| gnufreex | [14:34:35] <nenolod> then Ximian came along, stole all our code ported it to GLib and it was "game over, man" | Oct 17 08:35 |
| gnufreex | So Mono compiler is based on .GNU one? | Oct 17 08:35 |
| nenolod | at one time it was | Oct 17 08:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: dont do that | Oct 17 08:35 |
| nenolod | i think they rewrote it in C# | Oct 17 08:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | its dotGNU | Oct 17 08:35 |
| nenolod | i don't really care | Oct 17 08:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnu is not a top level domain | Oct 17 08:35 |
| nenolod | the dotGNU guys and the Mono guys used to sit there trolling each other on IRC | Oct 17 08:36 |
| gnufreex | Haha | Oct 17 08:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can see that | Oct 17 08:36 |
| nenolod | i didn't have anything to do with it!! | Oct 17 08:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | <dotGNU guys> Release... the Kraken! | Oct 17 08:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | <RMS> AARRWOOOOOOOO | Oct 17 08:36 |
| gnufreex | I figure now why Mono compiler is GPL. Practicaly all parts of Mono are MIT X11 now. | Oct 17 08:37 |
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| Diablo-D3 | <deIcaza> ARGH! GET IT OFF! GET IT OFF! AAAAAARGH | Oct 17 08:37 |
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| nenolod | i can't stand miguel | Oct 17 08:37 |
| nenolod | but i have personal reasons | Oct 17 08:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | miguel is such a fucking dickwad | Oct 17 08:37 |
| nenolod | mainly that mono ripped off my hard work and even removed copyright notices | Oct 17 08:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: suesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesue | Oct 17 08:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] my co.cc seems to be down. Reverting temporarily to the Wordpress subdomain in my profile again. | Oct 17 08:38 | |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: so not worth it | Oct 17 08:38 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: You could sue them, that is DMCA violation | Oct 17 08:38 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: they rewrote the infringing parts anyway | Oct 17 08:38 |
| nenolod | miguel was banned in #dotgnu | Oct 17 08:39 |
| nenolod | he was that popular! | Oct 17 08:39 |
| nenolod | anyway, all old news anyway | Oct 17 08:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im banned in #mono | Oct 17 08:40 |
| nenolod | mono put out mono 1.0 and by that point dotGNU was 100% dead | Oct 17 08:40 |
| *Diablo-D3 is that popular. | Oct 17 08:40 | |
| nenolod | dotGNU came along for the same reason WINE exists | Oct 17 08:40 |
| nenolod | anywho | Oct 17 08:41 |
| nenolod | new Foo(){ ... } is also valid in Java | Oct 17 08:41 |
| nenolod | i'm pretty sure | Oct 17 08:41 |
| nenolod | the C++ equivilant is umm | Oct 17 08:41 |
| nenolod | Foo()::Foo(int iMoo, int iBar, int iBaz) : moo(iMoo), bar(iBar), baz(iBaz) {}; | Oct 17 08:42 |
| nenolod | then you just pass it to the constructor | Oct 17 08:42 |
| nenolod | which is weak | Oct 17 08:42 |
| nenolod | but | Oct 17 08:42 |
| nenolod | it's the same idea | Oct 17 08:42 |
| nenolod | -() | Oct 17 08:43 |
| nenolod | actually, i would say to some extent | Oct 17 08:44 |
| nenolod | the reason why Mono exists now over dotGNU | Oct 17 08:44 |
| nenolod | was because RMS let it go down the drain | Oct 17 08:44 |
| nenolod | instead of getting a new core maintainer to replace nb, he just ignored requests from that team | Oct 17 08:45 |
| *nenolod gets his cane | Oct 17 08:45 | |
| gnufreex | How RMS is to blame... why spend good FSF money to evil cause | Oct 17 08:45 |
| nenolod | at the time it was not an evil cause | Oct 17 08:46 |
| gnufreex | Now it would be. | Oct 17 08:46 |
| gnufreex | Better to smear de Icaza then FSF | Oct 17 08:46 |
| gnufreex | :-) | Oct 17 08:46 |
| nenolod | had dotGNU been a successful project, .NET would have gone down a lot differently | Oct 17 08:46 |
| nenolod | the whole plan was to force our way through the ECMA process | Oct 17 08:46 |
| gnufreex | When I think better, you are right. | Oct 17 08:47 |
| nenolod | and RMS was supportive of that strategy. | Oct 17 08:47 |
| nenolod | but by the time Mono 1.0 was around, ECMA process was basically done | Oct 17 08:47 |
| nenolod | so nobody cared anymore | Oct 17 08:47 |
| nenolod | but we could have gotten in on the .Net 2.0 specification drafting process | Oct 17 08:47 |
| nenolod | Icaza had no such interests | Oct 17 08:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] have the MIPS systems almost up and running again. noticed PMON is not the same version on these systems :-s | Oct 17 08:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anonymous Takes Out UK Intellectual Property Office Website - http://bit.ly/b3MZ1w I have the feeling this isn't going to help #ddos #uk | Oct 17 08:48 | |
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| nenolod | which is why Microsoft played nice with them | Oct 17 08:48 |
| nenolod | to Microsoft, dotGNU was a /threat/ | Oct 17 08:48 |
| nenolod | because we would have had equal access in the ECMA processes | Oct 17 08:48 |
| nenolod | Mono having equal access instead was not a problem because Icaza didn't care | Oct 17 08:49 |
| nenolod | FSF having access though, they cared a big deal about that | Oct 17 08:49 |
| gnufreex | De Icaza is working for Microsoft, so he don't want to push. Mono advocates like to compare Mono with samba, as in "samba is also in danger from M$". They should cmpare Jeremy Alison to De Icaza. JRA gave hard time to Microsoft and eventualy made them give papers through court. De Icaza loves everything that comes from Microsoft and spins it against free software. | Oct 17 08:50 |
| oiaohm | Samba lead developers were prepared to put the legal battle first to get it sorted out. | Oct 17 08:51 |
| nenolod | Icaza's whole business (Ximian) was on interoperability with Microsoft technology. | Oct 17 08:51 |
| nenolod | it should be unsurprising that he has such views :p | Oct 17 08:52 |
| nenolod | point is, FSF's interest in .NET with dotGNU was to force their way into the .NET 2.0 ECMA spec drafting process | Oct 17 08:52 |
| gnufreex | Well... I am suprised. If I was in his shoes, I would push to get my bussines legalized. | Oct 17 08:52 |
| gnufreex | Not hope that M$ are nice. | Oct 17 08:52 |
| oiaohm | Remember Novell has a deal. gnufreex | Oct 17 08:53 |
| oiaohm | So he is safe at this stage. | Oct 17 08:53 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, he is safe now, and probably has personal deal with MSFT. | Oct 17 08:53 |
| nenolod | and dotGNU died because Icaza+Mono worked directly with M$ and had access to internal docs | Oct 17 08:53 |
| nenolod | this is well known :p | Oct 17 08:54 |
| oiaohm | Also some of the new code turning up in mono is coming from Microsoft developers directly as well. | Oct 17 08:54 |
| nenolod | well | Oct 17 08:54 |
| nenolod | that doesn't matter anymore | Oct 17 08:54 |
| gnufreex | And licensed under MS-PL | Oct 17 08:54 |
| gnufreex | Anti-GPL license | Oct 17 08:54 |
| nenolod | their goal was, with icaza | Oct 17 08:54 |
| oiaohm | I really suspect mono change licence was to allow Microsoft to take code back from mono | Oct 17 08:55 |
| nenolod | to crush dotGNU | Oct 17 08:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically Mono Microsoft these days is appearing to be double way releationship. | Oct 17 08:55 |
| nenolod | microsoft did not want anyone else with an agenda being in the ECMA process | Oct 17 08:55 |
| oiaohm | Notice the mono still has not released a ECMA only version. | Oct 17 08:56 |
| oiaohm | I don't think it possible. | Oct 17 08:56 |
| nenolod | yes :) | Oct 17 08:56 |
| gnufreex | Yes, they changed to MIT so MSFT can have the code. | Oct 17 08:56 |
| nenolod | anyway | Oct 17 08:56 |
| nenolod | 07:49:19 gnufreex:> And licensed under MS-PL | Oct 17 08:56 |
| nenolod | 07:49:25 gnufreex:> Anti-GPL license | Oct 17 08:56 |
| oiaohm | Just like all MS spec sheets I suspect the ECMA has errors. | Oct 17 08:56 |
| nenolod | personally i'm not pro-GPL | Oct 17 08:56 |
| gnufreex | Making class libraries is laborious task. | Oct 17 08:56 |
| nenolod | amost all code i write is ISC license | Oct 17 08:57 |
| oiaohm | MS-PL is strangely enough GPL v3 compadible. | Oct 17 08:57 |
| nenolod | almost* | Oct 17 08:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie to be wrapped by GPL v3 | Oct 17 08:57 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: How's that? | Oct 17 08:57 |
| oiaohm | MS-PL declare include patent grant and is open enough to be wrapped by GPLv3 | Oct 17 08:57 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: IT says explicitly "MS-PL of GTFO" | Oct 17 08:57 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: IT says explicitly "MS-PL or GTFO" | Oct 17 08:58 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: GPLv3 says explicitly GPLv3 or GTFO | Oct 17 08:58 |
| oiaohm | Note the other way is not possible. | Oct 17 08:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie MS-PL containing GPLv3 cannot be done. | Oct 17 08:58 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: And MS-PL says that too. So incompatible. | Oct 17 08:58 |
| oiaohm | But GPLv3 containing MS-PL can be done. | Oct 17 08:58 |
| nenolod | this is why i use ISC for everything | Oct 17 08:59 |
| nenolod | :P | Oct 17 08:59 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: It can be done if you own all the code. | Oct 17 08:59 |
| nenolod | ISC is so simple a 5 year old can understand it | Oct 17 08:59 |
| nenolod | the only time i use GPL is if i have a commercial interest in the code | Oct 17 09:00 |
| nenolod | in that case, you can use GPL or buy a non-GPL license if the GPL terms are too restrictive | Oct 17 09:00 |
| nenolod | i think the GPL is great for that model | Oct 17 09:01 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: Simplicity is overrated. When I think about those "additional freedoms" that permisive licenses give I get scared: Freedom #5: Freedom to watch your code competes against you. Freedom #6: Freedom to get sued by contributor for patent infridgement... | Oct 17 09:01 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: remember wine started off with a MIT licence then latter changed to LGPL | Oct 17 09:02 |
| oiaohm | There is such thing as too much freedom. | Oct 17 09:02 |
| gnufreex | There is freedom and there is power | Oct 17 09:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Leaked Letter — BSA Pressures Europe To Kill Open Standards (FSF): http://bit.ly/cUJRml (via @Slashdot) | Oct 17 09:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Supercomputer sets protein-folding record (Nature) http://bit.ly/axQKBl | Oct 17 09:03 | |
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| nenolod | oiaohm: yes. obviously, but a number of projects i work on i have no interest in | Oct 17 09:03 |
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| gnufreex | Let me find FSF article... | Oct 17 09:03 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: anything i have an actual interest in i put under GPL | Oct 17 09:03 |
| gnufreex | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/freedom-or-power.html | Oct 17 09:03 |
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| gnufreex | The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves. | Oct 17 09:03 |
| gnufreex | -- William Hazlitt | Oct 17 09:03 |
| nenolod | because you are right, the GPL does give important protections when you need those protections | Oct 17 09:03 |
| nenolod | let me put it this way | Oct 17 09:05 |
| oiaohm | Yep particularly that you competitor cannot take you code extend and not give you the code so leaving you at a disadvantage in the market. | Oct 17 09:05 |
| nenolod | several years ago, i used to put most of my code in the public domain | Oct 17 09:05 |
| nenolod | ISC is as close as you can get with it being a legit license | Oct 17 09:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Will saints be much harder to create in the future because as time goes on we will know more about their day to day lifes? #religion | Oct 17 09:06 | |
| gnufreex | WTFPL is legit too | Oct 17 09:06 |
| gnufreex | http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ | Oct 17 09:07 |
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| nenolod | i prefer ISC for this | Oct 17 09:07 |
| oiaohm | I was just about to point to that one. | Oct 17 09:07 |
| nenolod | it's a bit more pro | Oct 17 09:07 |
| nenolod | than | Oct 17 09:07 |
| nenolod | "Do what the fuck you want to" | Oct 17 09:07 |
| nenolod | i mean, i like being able to get hired places | Oct 17 09:07 |
| gnufreex | I am joking :-) | Oct 17 09:07 |
| oiaohm | Not like to upset bos or filters. nenolod | Oct 17 09:07 |
| oiaohm | I have had cases of site filters blocking wtfpl licence. | Oct 17 09:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes just because it contains the F work. | Oct 17 09:08 |
| nenolod | http://hg.atheme.org/atheme/atheme/file/f3e44f7e6b30/COPYING | Oct 17 09:09 |
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| nenolod | ISC is even copyleft! | Oct 17 09:09 |
| nenolod | it forces you to keep the license text and doesn't grant you the ability to sublicense! | Oct 17 09:09 |
| oiaohm | ISC is not completely bad. | Oct 17 09:10 |
| oiaohm | wtfpl is closer to public domian than ISC. But still who wants to be any closer to public domain than ISC | Oct 17 09:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Lobby Lens - http://bit.ly/9aztGV clickable, graphical representation of lobbyists and clients - amazing: want now (via @WhosLobbying) #au | Oct 17 09:11 | |
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| gnufreex | nenolod: How come ISC copyleft? | Oct 17 09:12 |
| nenolod | 08:04:12 nenolod:> it forces you to keep the license text and doesn't grant you the ability to sublicense! | Oct 17 09:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Re saints, More like trying to name an aircraft carrier after Ronald Reagan. | Oct 17 09:13 | |
| nenolod | it also does not grant permission to change the license text in any way | Oct 17 09:13 |
| gnufreex | That sucks then. It fails the purpose. | Oct 17 09:13 |
| oiaohm | ISC is like bsd that way. | Oct 17 09:13 |
| gnufreex | If you want to have that, you should use GPL. | Oct 17 09:14 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: the purpose is to keep the codebase under the ISC license | Oct 17 09:14 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: GPL is aggressively copyleft. It forces everything else to become GPL. | Oct 17 09:14 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: I do not agree with that. | Oct 17 09:14 |
| nenolod | i actually like the Apache 2.0 License | Oct 17 09:15 |
| nenolod | i don't think it's GPL compatible though | Oct 17 09:15 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few, testing kernel with initrd rebuilt with udev 163 | Oct 17 09:15 |
| gnufreex | So it keeps code from geting into GPL, but lets go binary only? That is pretty bad. | Oct 17 09:15 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licenses | Oct 17 09:15 |
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| gnufreex | Apache v2 is compatible with GPLv3 | Oct 17 09:15 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: some changes can be made to the ISC text to force source distribution with binary distribution | Oct 17 09:16 |
| oiaohm | ISC is not offically marked as a copyleaf. nenolod ISC does not force all new code added to be under ISC | Oct 17 09:16 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: it does not, no. | Oct 17 09:16 |
| nenolod | but it forces existing code | Oct 17 09:16 |
| nenolod | and that is all i care about | Oct 17 09:16 |
| oiaohm | A true copyleaf does. | Oct 17 09:16 |
| oiaohm | Ie close just not quite. | Oct 17 09:16 |
| nenolod | anyway | Oct 17 09:17 |
| gnufreex | Existing code stays under existing license, no matter what. | Oct 17 09:17 |
| nenolod | i don't really care about licensing | Oct 17 09:17 |
| gnufreex | That is not copyleft. | Oct 17 09:17 |
| nenolod | anyone who cares more about licensing than code is generally uninteresting to me | Oct 17 09:17 |
| nenolod | a big problem for FOSS is that people look at it, then they see schestowitz & lefty going at it and they get scared | Oct 17 09:18 |
| nenolod | so they stick with "what they know" | Oct 17 09:18 |
| oiaohm | I have learnt to care about licencing more after the codeweavers vs transgaming. | Oct 17 09:19 |
| oiaohm | When wine risked losing codeweavers support due to transgaming keeping secrets. | Oct 17 09:19 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: The problem is, if you don't care about licensing, all coding won't matter. | Oct 17 09:20 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: and i disagree - code and product quality are as important if not more important than licensing | Oct 17 09:20 |
| gnufreex | But... it is complicted issue. | Oct 17 09:20 |
| oiaohm | Anything critical I need better be under the right license so key contributors don't end up in a location to keep income they have to consider walking away. | Oct 17 09:20 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: GPLv3 does a great job | Oct 17 09:21 |
| nenolod | ISC does a great job | Oct 17 09:21 |
| oiaohm | Product quality slips if you don't have the developers. | Oct 17 09:21 |
| nenolod | BSD does a great job | Oct 17 09:21 |
| oiaohm | BSD not so much when you compare BSD progress against GPL progress. | Oct 17 09:21 |
| nenolod | it all depends on what you are trying to do | Oct 17 09:21 |
| nenolod | the point is | Oct 17 09:21 |
| oiaohm | BSD is good for getting standards out like TCP/IP | Oct 17 09:22 |
| nenolod | and this is the point that lefty tries to make but fails at making due to being an asshole | Oct 17 09:22 |
| oiaohm | But for geting new features | Oct 17 09:22 |
| nenolod | there is a GPL zealotry problem | Oct 17 09:22 |
| oiaohm | Not as good. | Oct 17 09:22 |
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| nenolod | like the sparkleshare incident | Oct 17 09:22 |
| oiaohm | LGPL has worked for a lot of projects really well. | Oct 17 09:22 |
| nenolod | the author of sparkleshare got derided for writing his code in C# | Oct 17 09:23 |
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| nenolod | even though it was otherwise free software | Oct 17 09:23 |
| nenolod | those people, who spend there time doing that instead of doing something constructive need to GTFO | Oct 17 09:23 |
| nenolod | and i am tired of those people | Oct 17 09:23 |
| oiaohm | Really it was a clone of another program. | Oct 17 09:23 |
| oiaohm | Historically do that at your own risk. | Oct 17 09:23 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: Lefty lies a lot. He didn't get get 'derided' | Oct 17 09:23 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: he got derided. i read everything for myself and reached my own conclusions. | Oct 17 09:24 |
| oiaohm | Remember the toasting gnote got. nenolod | Oct 17 09:24 |
| oiaohm | Heck sparkleshare got off light. | Oct 17 09:24 |
| nenolod | bradley kuhn needs to keep his mouth shut | Oct 17 09:24 |
| nenolod | every time he opens it, it spawns a PR disaster | Oct 17 09:24 |
| oiaohm | And I expect to see libreoffice get some toasting for Oracle as well. | Oct 17 09:25 |
| nenolod | and like it or not, PR is important when you're someone like bkuhn | Oct 17 09:25 |
| oiaohm | It is the nature of the beast. | Oct 17 09:25 |
| oiaohm | Fork a project you will get hit. | Oct 17 09:25 |
| nenolod | sparkleshare is not a fork of anything | Oct 17 09:25 |
| oiaohm | Or clone a project you will get it. | Oct 17 09:25 |
| nenolod | he got toasted due to C# use | Oct 17 09:25 |
| nenolod | bkuhn shouldn't have done it. not with the position he is in | Oct 17 09:26 |
| nenolod | because when you do that, you give the enemy ammo | Oct 17 09:26 |
| nenolod | we do not want to give the enemy PR ammo | Oct 17 09:26 |
| gnufreex | So, what should he have done instead? | Oct 17 09:26 |
| nenolod | he should have just kept his mouth shut | Oct 17 09:26 |
| nenolod | period | Oct 17 09:26 |
| nenolod | you seem to believe that for all perceived issues that they must be "solved" | Oct 17 09:26 |
| oiaohm | The toasting over C# started with tomboy. nenolod | Oct 17 09:26 |
| nenolod | yes i know | Oct 17 09:27 |
| oiaohm | Toasting there clones. | Oct 17 09:27 |
| nenolod | i disagreed with that too | Oct 17 09:27 |
| gnufreex | So, Mono apps get pilling on, everything goes Mono... how is that helping? | Oct 17 09:27 |
| nenolod | oh gnoes | Oct 17 09:27 |
| nenolod | here's the solution | Oct 17 09:27 |
| nenolod | provide a better app which doesn't use Mono | Oct 17 09:27 |
| nenolod | most of the Mono-using apps are pretty crappy apps because the Mono family of languages don't appeal to seasoned programmers | Oct 17 09:27 |
| nenolod | they appeal to designers | Oct 17 09:27 |
| nenolod | it shouldn't be too hard to write a better app | Oct 17 09:28 |
| nenolod | then when you write the better app, you let the market decide | Oct 17 09:28 |
| nenolod | if people want to use Mono apps, that's their decision | Oct 17 09:28 |
| nenolod | there are plenty of distributions which do not ship Mono apps | Oct 17 09:28 |
| nenolod | one thing that people forget is that free software also is about freedom of choice | Oct 17 09:29 |
| nenolod | GNOME v. KDE, Mono v. writing it in a good language, etc | Oct 17 09:29 |
| nenolod | at the end of the day, the "market" (e.g. all the users out there), they just want the apps that do what they want and do a good job at it | Oct 17 09:29 |
| nenolod | it's pretty simple | Oct 17 09:29 |
| nenolod | so replace the mono apps with better apps | Oct 17 09:30 |
| nenolod | instead of trolling about it, just replace the damn thing | Oct 17 09:30 |
| gnufreex | Don't reduce Mono vs xx to GNOME vs KDE. It is not that at this point. It is like GNOME vs KDE in late 90s. | Oct 17 09:30 |
| nenolod | it is that | Oct 17 09:30 |
| oiaohm | I trying to remember the one that existed before sparle share and did not use mono. nenolod | Oct 17 09:30 |
| oiaohm | There is one. | Oct 17 09:31 |
| oiaohm | That was where the battle started. | Oct 17 09:31 |
| nenolod | then take that app | Oct 17 09:31 |
| nenolod | make it better | Oct 17 09:31 |
| nenolod | watch everyone use it instead | Oct 17 09:31 |
| nenolod | pretty simplre | Oct 17 09:31 |
| oiaohm | Ie it got side tracked into a C# arguement. | Oct 17 09:31 |
| nenolod | my point is | Oct 17 09:31 |
| nenolod | bkuhn should not have gone there. i personally know he knows better than to have gone there. | Oct 17 09:32 |
| nenolod | he did so anyway, lefty picked up on it, it became a PR issue | Oct 17 09:32 |
| nenolod | people should have the choice to use mono apps if they want | Oct 17 09:32 |
| nenolod | without being harassed for it | Oct 17 09:32 |
| nenolod | or derided | Oct 17 09:32 |
| nenolod | or chastized | Oct 17 09:32 |
| nenolod | wanting to use an app that works is a perfectly valid wish and you can't say those people are wrong because they want an app that happens to be using mono | Oct 17 09:33 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: You seem to advocate against negative marketing. Unfortunately, sometimes, that is necesary. Mono use needs criticism or else everybody is going to use it. For example, there are apps that are adding Mono extensions. It would be stupid to recode entire app just because it adds Mono dependency. Users will not move to replacement. And it again requires lots of friction and negative marketing. | Oct 17 09:34 |
| gnufreex | Mono advocates also use that | Oct 17 09:34 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: sorry i disagree | Oct 17 09:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Use Mplayer With VAAPI Support (Hardware Acceleration) In Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat http://bit.ly/aLucrn | Oct 17 09:34 | |
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| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFolder << No they don't gnufreex | Oct 17 09:35 |
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| gnufreex | "Look at those, they want to make you switch app just because of Mono, they are zealots" | Oct 17 09:35 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: you are a zealot, sorry | Oct 17 09:35 |
| nenolod | it's true | Oct 17 09:35 |
| nenolod | that statement is a true statement | Oct 17 09:35 |
| oiaohm | Some of the ones that started the C# over sparkleshare were Novell personal. | Oct 17 09:35 |
| gnufreex | So, frickin wha? | Oct 17 09:35 |
| gnufreex | I am proud of that! | Oct 17 09:35 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough to protect there own C# product. | Oct 17 09:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes there are lot of double standard people out there. | Oct 17 09:36 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: yes, but bkuhn sparked it off | Oct 17 09:36 |
| _Goblin | Have I missed something.....why not just stick with OOo or Abiword.......I won't even mention the name LXXXXoffice.... | Oct 17 09:36 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of Novell media people I would love to shot. | Oct 17 09:36 |
| nenolod | the appropriate way of handling the sparkleshare thing would have been to offer the guy help moving to native code | Oct 17 09:37 |
| nenolod | and highlighting that his app will work better due to it being native code | Oct 17 09:37 |
| nenolod | there's an old saying | Oct 17 09:37 |
| nenolod | you attract more flies with honey than vinegar | Oct 17 09:37 |
| gnufreex | Yes, that is effective way but that would also give ammo to haters. Haters gonna hate. | Oct 17 09:38 |
| nenolod | yes, haters are going to hate, but there's a lot less hate going around. | Oct 17 09:39 |
| gnufreex | Anybody who approaches the Sparkleshare dev with such proposition is going to branded zealot | Oct 17 09:39 |
| nenolod | yes, but by chastizing the sparkleshare dev | Oct 17 09:39 |
| nenolod | the dev went | Oct 17 09:39 |
| nenolod | "hey, fuck you assholes" | Oct 17 09:39 |
| nenolod | it's who thinks you are a zealot | Oct 17 09:39 |
| nenolod | not if someone thinks you are a zealot | Oct 17 09:39 |
| gnufreex | That is not wha bkhun did. | Oct 17 09:39 |
| nenolod | yes he did | Oct 17 09:40 |
| nenolod | he said | Oct 17 09:40 |
| nenolod | in effect, "sparkleshare sucks because it uses mono" | Oct 17 09:40 |
| gnufreex | No, he said it is disturbing for him to hear that sparkleshare uses Mono. | Oct 17 09:40 |
| nenolod | yes, he didn't need to say that | Oct 17 09:40 |
| nenolod | period. didn't need to be said. | Oct 17 09:41 |
| gnufreex | So if he proposed a port to Vala out of the blue, it would be same effect. | Oct 17 09:41 |
| nenolod | not if he said | Oct 17 09:41 |
| gnufreex | There are not so many ways to say it. | Oct 17 09:41 |
| gnufreex | He got to spill it out somehow. | Oct 17 09:41 |
| nenolod | "i want to help improve sparkleshare by moving it to Vala to reduce dependencies and improve performance." | Oct 17 09:41 |
| nenolod | nobody can argue against that statement | Oct 17 09:42 |
| nenolod | compiling the code with vala reduces dependencies and improves performance | Oct 17 09:42 |
| gnufreex | I could argue: " Mono is great, you are such zealot because you want to remove Mono!!!111" | Oct 17 09:42 |
| nenolod | by highlighting technical benefits to using vala over mono, you win without pissing off the dev | Oct 17 09:42 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: you could | Oct 17 09:43 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: but you're not the dev | Oct 17 09:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Devastation and Recovery at Mt. St. Helens - http://bit.ly/cpjhXG now that's a natural remedy (via @Eaterofsun) | Oct 17 09:43 | |
| nenolod | gnufreex: so you don't matter | Oct 17 09:43 |
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| nenolod | gnufreex: the community, will in general, write those people off as morons | Oct 17 09:43 |
| nenolod | as long as the outcome results in a happy dev | Oct 17 09:43 |
| nenolod | it doesn't matter what those people think | Oct 17 09:43 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: at the time vala was not developed enough. Please be careful with rose coloured glasses. | Oct 17 09:43 |
| nenolod | like you said, "haters gonna hate" | Oct 17 09:43 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: this discussion | Oct 17 09:44 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: happened 4 weeks ago | Oct 17 09:44 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: moron tank over there | Oct 17 09:44 |
| *nenolod points | Oct 17 09:44 | |
| oiaohm | So it has not died down. | Oct 17 09:44 |
| oiaohm | I would have though by now they would have moved on. | Oct 17 09:44 |
| nenolod | no, sparkleshare is quite recent | Oct 17 09:44 |
| nenolod | now | Oct 17 09:45 |
| nenolod | lefty gets a lot wrong | Oct 17 09:45 |
| nenolod | simply because that's his goal | Oct 17 09:45 |
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| nenolod | but there are elements of truth to the things he says | Oct 17 09:46 |
| amarsh04 | link from http://www.whirlpool.net.au http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/spy-fears-as-chinese-firm-eyes-nbn-deal-20101016-16odq.html | Oct 17 09:46 |
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| nenolod | there is a sexism problem in FOSS, but it's not in the way that lefty describes | Oct 17 09:47 |
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| nenolod | if you sit on #ubuntu-women or whatever, you can see it | Oct 17 09:47 |
| nenolod | that problem is getting better | Oct 17 09:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Next Web: Anonymous takes down UK government website in Operation Payback http://ping.fm/Y6uyM | Oct 17 09:48 | |
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| nenolod | but the problem with lefty is | Oct 17 09:49 |
| nenolod | he took an example of some ubuntu-using moron harassing a girl | Oct 17 09:49 |
| nenolod | and spun it into "big opensource guy sexually assults a girl" | Oct 17 09:49 |
| nenolod | so like i said | Oct 17 09:49 |
| nenolod | elements of truth, almost all spin though | Oct 17 09:49 |
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| nenolod | welcome back | Oct 17 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the female open source coders I have ment can more than take care of themselves. | Oct 17 09:50 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 09:50 |
| nenolod | i agree | Oct 17 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Yes I do mean more. | Oct 17 09:50 |
| oiaohm | I have seen some guys wishing there nuts were more protected. | Oct 17 09:51 |
| nenolod | some of the best coders i have worked with have been women actually | Oct 17 09:51 |
| lightpriest_ | operation payback's logo reminds me of thepiratebay's logo | Oct 17 09:51 |
| nenolod | man | Oct 17 09:51 |
| lightpriest_ | ohh | Oct 17 09:51 |
| nenolod | ddosing people | Oct 17 09:51 |
| lightpriest_ | it's the same one :D | Oct 17 09:51 |
| nenolod | isn't a solution to that | Oct 17 09:51 |
| nenolod | that's just stupid | Oct 17 09:52 |
| nenolod | i mean, when you find yourself presented with a problem and you think "i know! i will ddos them!" you might want to rethink the problem | Oct 17 09:52 |
| nenolod | seriously | Oct 17 09:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Rehearsals, rehearsals, rehearsals... | Oct 17 09:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] vnmc [on Tumblr] - 5 MB of storage 44 years ago http://ping.fm/lHV0P | Oct 17 09:53 | |
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| _Goblin | Hi lightpriest_ | Oct 17 09:53 |
| lightpriest_ | hey | Oct 17 09:53 |
| _Goblin | Haven't seen you here before...new? | Oct 17 09:53 |
| lightpriest_ | i've been following the blog for a few months now | Oct 17 09:53 |
| nenolod | i wonder if apple has a patent on menu bars at top of screen | Oct 17 09:53 |
| _Goblin | Welcome to the channel! | Oct 17 09:54 |
| nenolod | not that it matters | Oct 17 09:54 |
| nenolod | amiga is prior art | Oct 17 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes the do nenolod | Oct 17 09:54 |
| lightpriest_ | thank you :) | Oct 17 09:54 |
| oiaohm | But its expired. nenolod | Oct 17 09:54 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: awesome | Oct 17 09:54 |
| nenolod | i'm infringing on it right now | Oct 17 09:54 |
| nenolod | it feels so good | Oct 17 09:54 |
| gnufreex | don't know about apple, but Microsoft tried to patent Ribbon | Oct 17 09:54 |
| nenolod | i remember when you got patents on stuff you made | Oct 17 09:54 |
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| oiaohm | Note its icon in the top coner tha amiga did not have. nenolod | Oct 17 09:54 |
| nenolod | good times | Oct 17 09:54 |
| _Goblin | nenolod: Im also infringing....... | Oct 17 09:54 |
| nenolod | now you get patents on bullshit you make up | Oct 17 09:54 |
| oiaohm | Remember the apple icon up there nenolod | Oct 17 09:55 |
| nenolod | no apple icon | Oct 17 09:55 |
| lightpriest_ | I think the original HTML implementation already did that | Oct 17 09:55 |
| nenolod | i guess it's not an infringement | Oct 17 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Also the patent is expired. nenolod | Oct 17 09:55 |
| oiaohm | So you cannot infringe it now. | Oct 17 09:55 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: yeah i heard you | Oct 17 09:55 |
| lightpriest_ | If I recall correctly, <meta> tags had some "prev", "next" and other context related stuff | Oct 17 09:55 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: i was making a joke | Oct 17 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Lot of MS Office 2007 and up is trademarked. | Oct 17 09:55 |
| oiaohm | More than Patented. | Oct 17 09:55 |
| nenolod | interesting | Oct 17 09:56 |
| oiaohm | trademarks have a lower bar of proff. | Oct 17 09:56 |
| _Goblin | " i remember when you got patents on stuff you made" - Dont be silly nenolod http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/microsoft-to-boldly-blow/ | Oct 17 09:56 |
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| oiaohm | It it just looks like me so you are toast. | Oct 17 09:56 |
| nenolod | _Goblin: no, like | Oct 17 09:56 |
| nenolod | _Goblin: i'm talking cotton gin, "efficient aparatus for storing paper documents", so on | Oct 17 09:56 |
| nenolod | _Goblin: flat screen TVs | Oct 17 09:57 |
| _Goblin | nenolod: yeah like the Holodeck patent from MS (as above link) | Oct 17 09:57 |
| nenolod | you know | Oct 17 09:57 |
| nenolod | things | Oct 17 09:57 |
| nenolod | *things* | Oct 17 09:57 |
| nenolod | _Goblin: yeah you've been able to patent BS for a long time | Oct 17 09:57 |
| nenolod | that said | Oct 17 09:57 |
| nenolod | i want a holodeck | Oct 17 09:57 |
| nenolod | do they have assembly instructions on that patent? | Oct 17 09:57 |
| _Goblin | nenolod: I can see this conversation deteriorating rapidly. | Oct 17 09:57 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Oct 17 09:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] At Frieze Art Fair. | Oct 17 09:58 | |
| oiaohm | Quite a few maths based ones had. nenolod | Oct 17 09:58 |
| nenolod | oh | Oct 17 09:58 |
| nenolod | that patent | Oct 17 09:58 |
| nenolod | linden lab had a similar one they were going to file for | Oct 17 09:58 |
| nenolod | i forget if they actually did it or not | Oct 17 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Remember how many patents did you see on the back of sicence calculators. | Oct 17 09:58 |
| nenolod | yes but you have to keep in mind | Oct 17 09:58 |
| nenolod | someone invented a circuit to do that stuff | Oct 17 09:58 |
| nenolod | so that's legit | Oct 17 09:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: man | Oct 17 09:59 |
| nenolod | now when you get into graphing calculators | Oct 17 09:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive seen shit that has like | Oct 17 09:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | 9000 patents | Oct 17 09:59 |
| nenolod | that's when it gets less legit | Oct 17 09:59 |
| nenolod | since there's actually a z80 chip in there | Oct 17 09:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: well yeah | Oct 17 09:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | swpats | Oct 17 09:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | are | Oct 17 09:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | gay | Oct 17 09:59 |
| nenolod | but a scientific calculator | Oct 17 09:59 |
| nenolod | 100% legit | Oct 17 09:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @sheytan: Now this one is cool #kubuntu #KDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNf36LQFfIM <- Is it possible w/Gnome ? #KDE rocks! | Oct 17 09:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Some very good new art, lots of stunts, various old favourites. You can see the trends. #frieze | Oct 17 09:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - kubuntu 10.10 .::. Size~: 104.73 KB | Oct 17 09:59 |
| nenolod | there's no CPU in there | Oct 17 09:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, its just a mostly raw ALU | Oct 17 10:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | with enough UI to flip the right bits | Oct 17 10:00 |
| nenolod | exactly | Oct 17 10:00 |
| nenolod | so they're patenting bits and pieces of the ALU | Oct 17 10:00 |
| nenolod | like i said, 100% legit | Oct 17 10:00 |
| nenolod | i doubt any of those patents are still active anyway | Oct 17 10:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | no reason to anyways | Oct 17 10:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres only one right way of making an ALU | Oct 17 10:01 |
| nenolod | i mean i can't forsee them doing anything innovative in scientific calculators anymore | Oct 17 10:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | its counterproductive to keep the patent active | Oct 17 10:01 |
| oiaohm | There are patents for processing machine code produced from asm. There are some software patents for compliers optimising code. | Oct 17 10:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes hordid stuff. | Oct 17 10:01 |
| oiaohm | There was enough when they stuck to real hardware. | Oct 17 10:02 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: like i said, when you have an actual CPU driving your calculator, it becomes less legit | Oct 17 10:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: well | Oct 17 10:02 |
| nenolod | but patents on hardware are totally legit | Oct 17 10:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres also another problem | Oct 17 10:02 |
| nenolod | that's what the patent system is there for | Oct 17 10:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have to understand the difference between true swpats and math pats. | Oct 17 10:02 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: that too ;) | Oct 17 10:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | math pats are meeeeehhh and could be slid through without much bitching | Oct 17 10:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | but actual swpats? fuck that | Oct 17 10:02 |
| gnufreex | Patents on harware are even worse than sofware ones: See Intel monopoly and crappy x86 | Oct 17 10:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | PATENT ON HOW TO MANGLE STRINGS FOR A SPECIFIC USE CASE THAT NO ONE ACTUALLY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT | Oct 17 10:03 |
| gnufreex | Everything is software now. | Oct 17 10:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then the company sues some guy who isnt working with strings | Oct 17 10:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats where swpats need to die | Oct 17 10:03 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: there were patents on 68k cpus too | Oct 17 10:03 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: and PPC and even Cell | Oct 17 10:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are patents on everything | Oct 17 10:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | this cake Im eating atm? | Oct 17 10:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | patents. | Oct 17 10:03 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: x86 just won cause intel undercut everyone else back during the z80 days | Oct 17 10:03 |
| nenolod | had z80 won, we'd all be using ARM now | Oct 17 10:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: erm | Oct 17 10:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | except remember what the z80 is | Oct 17 10:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | a non-compatible 8080 | Oct 17 10:04 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: Problem is that _now_ CPUs are sofware. | Oct 17 10:04 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 10:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | just to avoid patents and overall Intel suing shit | Oct 17 10:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Winter seems a lot more appealing all of a sudden... http://post.ly/154tG | Oct 17 10:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Mandated Open Access Impact Advantage - http://bit.ly/c8U0J2 "because of a quality advantage" (via @AmSciForum) #oa | Oct 17 10:04 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they wernt GOING anywhere with it | Oct 17 10:04 |
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| Diablo-D3 | they just wanted an incredibly cheap 8bit processor that everyone knew how to code | Oct 17 10:05 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: yes, but z80 guys switched to ARM down the road | Oct 17 10:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, so did the 68k guys | Oct 17 10:05 |
| nenolod | nintendo, acorn, etc | Oct 17 10:05 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 10:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | 68k was fucking popular in game shit | Oct 17 10:05 |
| nenolod | 68k went PPC mostly | Oct 17 10:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | well on the mac side yeah | Oct 17 10:05 |
| nenolod | mac and amiga | Oct 17 10:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | but like, if Sega made a handheld console now, it'd be an ARM | Oct 17 10:05 |
| gnufreex | PPC went..... x86 | Oct 17 10:05 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 10:06 |
| nenolod | PPC is dead | Oct 17 10:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | well wait | Oct 17 10:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'res more! | Oct 17 10:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | the three current gen console? | Oct 17 10:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | all powerpc. | Oct 17 10:06 |
| gnufreex | Not yet dead... but dying. | Oct 17 10:06 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 10:06 |
| nenolod | but | Oct 17 10:06 |
| gnufreex | I am waiting new Amiga | Oct 17 10:06 |
| gnufreex | They promised | Oct 17 10:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are more wii sales than pcs for game sales. | Oct 17 10:06 |
| nenolod | fourth gen will probably be x86 | Oct 17 10:06 |
| nenolod | probably x86 + stream coprocessors for OpenCL | Oct 17 10:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: and still no native halo 1 support for xbox 9000 | Oct 17 10:06 |
| nenolod | x86 + stream coprocessors would be sweet | Oct 17 10:07 |
| gnufreex | x86 + anyting is crap | Oct 17 10:07 |
| nenolod | wrong | Oct 17 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: not at all | Oct 17 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im very impressed with AMD | Oct 17 10:07 |
| nenolod | x86 is actually pretty good now with x86-64 | Oct 17 10:07 |
| gnufreex | I tried to learn ASM... really tried. | Oct 17 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | x86 is pretty good when you're running all your shit intensive parallel code on the gpu | Oct 17 10:07 |
| gnufreex | It is broken ISA | Oct 17 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: dude, no | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont fucking code assembly | Oct 17 10:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] The most amazing aesthetic experience so far is the chocolate fondant. ;-) #frieze | Oct 17 10:08 | |
| nenolod | 15 regs + CISC = crazy fucking fast | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | who the fuck doe sthat anymore | Oct 17 10:08 |
| gnufreex | I knwo | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | this isnt the fucking 80s | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, fuck | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can run java | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | on | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | my gpu | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | JAVA ON MY GPU | Oct 17 10:08 |
| gnufreex | But I tought it is cool to learn it | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: dude, even I didnt bother learning much assembly | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | the compiler can do it ten times better than I can | Oct 17 10:08 |
| nenolod | sometimes asm is useful | Oct 17 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://developer.amd.com/zones/java/aparapi/Pages/default.aspx | Oct 17 10:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Aparapi | AMD Developer Central .::. Size~: 132.11 KB | Oct 17 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | java. on. gpus. | Oct 17 10:09 |
| nenolod | like when you're ripping replayer code out from games | Oct 17 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD's dick is 8=========================================================================================================================================D | Oct 17 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | to motherfucking scale | Oct 17 10:09 |
| gnufreex | Java on GPU... that is kewl | Oct 17 10:09 |
| nenolod | the neat thing about GPUs is that they're basically insanely hyperthreaded | Oct 17 10:10 |
| nenolod | like | Oct 17 10:10 |
| nenolod | they can do | Oct 17 10:10 |
| nenolod | 280 things at once | Oct 17 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: well | Oct 17 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | look at AMD's shit | Oct 17 10:10 |
| nenolod | i think what we'll see in the future is a design where the GPU just takes over as being a CPU | Oct 17 10:11 |
| gnufreex | But I can't think of workload that would really work well on GPU | Oct 17 10:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | the pipeline consumes 5 things at once (as in, pipelined), and its 4 wide. | Oct 17 10:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | the optimum workcase per pipe is 20 items, all doing the same operation. | Oct 17 10:11 |
| gnufreex | It needs to be double percision to mater | Oct 17 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Biggest limitation with GPU is no memory allocation instructions. | Oct 17 10:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: it already is | Oct 17 10:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: not at all | Oct 17 10:11 |
| nenolod | i think really | Oct 17 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont NEED to allocate memory | Oct 17 10:12 |
| nenolod | what we're going to see | Oct 17 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: learn how to code | Oct 17 10:12 |
| nenolod | is a shift of design concept | Oct 17 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: well, what I want is, one of those new quadcore ARM A15s | Oct 17 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | and | Oct 17 10:12 |
| nenolod | to where the GPU and CPU become one processor | Oct 17 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | two 6970s | Oct 17 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: so AMD Fusion, shipping soon? | Oct 17 10:12 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | but thats what you got | Oct 17 10:12 |
| nenolod | and the OS task is just one job | Oct 17 10:12 |
| nenolod | that the chip is doing | Oct 17 10:12 |
| gnufreex | Diabo-D3 I know it is, but all those TFLOPS are single-precision. When you do DP, it is actualy 10 GFLOPS or so. Not much faster than QuadCore CPU | Oct 17 10:12 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 10:12 |
| nenolod | AMD Fusion is still logically separate | Oct 17 10:13 |
| oiaohm | To be more correct memory protection instructions. | Oct 17 10:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Now isn't this special - BSA thwarting open standards! http://www.fsfe.org/projects/os/bsa-letter-ec.pdf #fb | Oct 17 10:13 | |
| gnufreex | *100 GFLOPS | Oct 17 10:13 |
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| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: logically seperate in the sense an SSE math unit is. | Oct 17 10:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | or a Cell SPE | Oct 17 10:13 |
| oiaohm | To sence when something has screwed up badly. | Oct 17 10:13 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: yeah, what i'm saying is the future is SPE only | Oct 17 10:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: its an SPE now | Oct 17 10:13 |
| nenolod | as in | Oct 17 10:13 |
| nenolod | the PPE is gone | Oct 17 10:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: its not merely on die, its plugged right into HTX and uses the HTX memory controller | Oct 17 10:13 |
| nenolod | there is no PPE | Oct 17 10:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, you need a PPE for purely functional stuff | Oct 17 10:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | to baby sit the SPEs | Oct 17 10:14 |
| nenolod | nah | Oct 17 10:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | unless you can make if statements not suck dick | Oct 17 10:14 |
| nenolod | you can use one of the SPEs for that | Oct 17 10:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, Cell SPEs, sure | Oct 17 10:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | but not hyper-wide pipes | Oct 17 10:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | you need to be able to schedule single width items with no branch penalty | Oct 17 10:15 |
| nenolod | right | Oct 17 10:15 |
| nenolod | beb | Oct 17 10:15 |
| nenolod | brb | Oct 17 10:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: btw, did I show you http://developer.amd.com/zones/java/aparapi/Pages/default.aspx? | Oct 17 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Aparapi | AMD Developer Central .::. Size~: 136.14 KB | Oct 17 10:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | srsly, java on gpu. | Oct 17 10:15 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: it's java. srsly. don't care. | Oct 17 10:15 |
| gnufreex | So... this thing should be able to run JBossAS out of the box? | Oct 17 10:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: hell no | Oct 17 10:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just translates bytecode to opencl | Oct 17 10:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you're very limited in the java you can use | Oct 17 10:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | it basically has to look like what you'd code in opencl | Oct 17 10:17 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] if(array_search(date("d/m/Y",$this->connections[0] -> getDepart()->getTime()), $this->strikes) !== false) - Nice PHP. Really nice. #contains | Oct 17 10:18 | |
| gnufreex | Oh... I knew it is too good to be true... so no need to study it anyways. | Oct 17 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats that supposed to mean? | Oct 17 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | its GREAT | Oct 17 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | it means I can write opencl without having to write opencl | Oct 17 10:18 |
| nenolod | dude opencl is not hard | Oct 17 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: btw, why the fuck mention jbossas? | Oct 17 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: how is that simd? | Oct 17 10:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and why the fuck mention jbossas at all? its shit | Oct 17 10:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | glassfish > jbossas | Oct 17 10:19 |
| gnufreex | No reason. And it is not shit. | Oct 17 10:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Today we fixed a bug while we were both in a car to a family thing. Got to love @mobilevikings #iRail | Oct 17 10:19 | |
| nenolod | jbossas has problems with JIRA | Oct 17 10:24 |
| nenolod | unfortunately, JIRA is the only bug tracking software I have found that I actually like using. | Oct 17 10:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, jira actually works | Oct 17 10:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | especially combined with that other thing of theirs | Oct 17 10:25 |
| nenolod | it's closed source, oh gnoes | Oct 17 10:25 |
| nenolod | the GPL zealots will burn me at the stake | Oct 17 10:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | OH NOES | Oct 17 10:25 |
| *Diablo-D3 takes away rms' lighter | Oct 17 10:25 | |
| Diablo-D3 | bad rms! no weed! | Oct 17 10:25 |
| nenolod | actually, rms once said that software which works is more important than software freedom | Oct 17 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Oct 17 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | problem is | Oct 17 10:26 |
| nenolod | well, what he said was functionality is as important as freedom | Oct 17 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | closed source has become == to shit. | Oct 17 10:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Looking forward to http://www.tedxrheinneckar.de next week. Planning to talk about Kaspar Hauser effects in most software users... | Oct 17 10:26 | |
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| nenolod | something that is free and worthless isn't useful | Oct 17 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its extremely hard to name closed source that isnt shit | Oct 17 10:26 |
| nenolod | JIRA isn't actually closed source | Oct 17 10:26 |
| nenolod | if you buy a license | Oct 17 10:26 |
| nenolod | you get the source | Oct 17 10:26 |
| nenolod | so it's like | Oct 17 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | jira is look but dont touch | Oct 17 10:26 |
| nenolod | "shared source" | Oct 17 10:26 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 10:27 |
| nenolod | you can touch it | Oct 17 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant distribute the changes | Oct 17 10:27 |
| nenolod | you just can't release it | Oct 17 10:27 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder if you can send the changes back to them | Oct 17 10:27 |
| nenolod | you can | Oct 17 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | neat | Oct 17 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its really not THAT bad | Oct 17 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | the license are just fuck expensive | Oct 17 10:27 |
| nenolod | but i mean | Oct 17 10:27 |
| nenolod | with webapps | Oct 17 10:27 |
| nenolod | it's tricky | Oct 17 10:27 |
| nenolod | if you want to make money | Oct 17 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, they'd have to agpl it or something | Oct 17 10:27 |
| nenolod | you can't just opensource it | Oct 17 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | just to dick people | Oct 17 10:27 |
| nenolod | the only way to have opensource + make money is AGPL | Oct 17 10:28 |
| nenolod | and then you're still limited | Oct 17 10:28 |
| nenolod | because what you're selling is consulting and customization services | Oct 17 10:28 |
| nenolod | if you don't make enough that way | Oct 17 10:28 |
| nenolod | sucks to be you | Oct 17 10:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, redhat basically does it for redhat linux | Oct 17 10:28 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 10:28 |
| nenolod | but | Oct 17 10:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | so it cant be that hard for killer app material | Oct 17 10:28 |
| nenolod | a lot of people buy redhat | Oct 17 10:28 |
| nenolod | not many people buy a bug tracker | Oct 17 10:28 |
| nenolod | :p | Oct 17 10:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, honestly | Oct 17 10:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I needed one | Oct 17 10:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I would | Oct 17 10:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive used every bug tracker ever | Oct 17 10:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I hate them all except jira | Oct 17 10:29 |
| nenolod | and JIRA is the killer app of bugtrackers | Oct 17 10:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | but like I said | Oct 17 10:29 |
| nenolod | but JIRA is not so bad | Oct 17 10:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | jira's strong point is intergration with the rest of their shit | Oct 17 10:29 |
| nenolod | if you're an opensource project | Oct 17 10:29 |
| nenolod | they will give you a license | Oct 17 10:29 |
| nenolod | and source | Oct 17 10:29 |
| nenolod | so it's not so bad | Oct 17 10:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, FishEye is really good | Oct 17 10:29 |
| nenolod | i mean you get the practical benefits | Oct 17 10:30 |
| nenolod | of opensource | Oct 17 10:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh and | Oct 17 10:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | it plugs into eclipse | Oct 17 10:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | all their shit does | Oct 17 10:30 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 10:30 |
| nenolod | JIRA is great :) | Oct 17 10:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can access all of atlassian's shit through eclipse | Oct 17 10:30 |
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| nenolod | the UI is great | Oct 17 10:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can get live testbox fails right into eclipse | Oct 17 10:30 |
| MadRobot | Hi all. | Oct 17 10:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | as normal eclipse bugs | Oct 17 10:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | a LOT of open source projects use atlassian | Oct 17 10:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its kind of ironic | Oct 17 10:31 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 10:31 |
| nenolod | you know why? | Oct 17 10:31 |
| nenolod | because it works | Oct 17 10:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | because its not shit | Oct 17 10:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its free to foss | Oct 17 10:31 |
| nenolod | all the FOSS bug trackers | Oct 17 10:31 |
| nenolod | are a giant fucking pain to administrate | Oct 17 10:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | bugzilla is ZOMGSETKJSETLKJRSGFAIL | Oct 17 10:32 |
| nenolod | bugzilla is horrid | Oct 17 10:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | bugzilla is the only bug tracker that has ever made me want to kill people | Oct 17 10:32 |
| nenolod | gnats is 1980s | Oct 17 10:32 |
| nenolod | mantis is just god awful | Oct 17 10:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | and trac is just... bleh | Oct 17 10:32 |
| nenolod | trac is limited | Oct 17 10:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | trac is half a solution | Oct 17 10:32 |
| nenolod | redmine is better than trac but a rails app | Oct 17 10:32 |
| nenolod | so we know what happens there | Oct 17 10:32 |
| nenolod | bugs genie is WTF | Oct 17 10:32 |
| nenolod | flyspray is ok, but the UI is horrible | Oct 17 10:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | redmine is fucking lol | Oct 17 10:33 |
| nenolod | roundup pretty much sucks in all possible ways | Oct 17 10:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | look at it the wrong way, and there goes your entire server | Oct 17 10:33 |
| nenolod | request tracker is lolz | Oct 17 10:33 |
| nenolod | have i missed any? | Oct 17 10:34 |
| nenolod | i'm not asking for much here | Oct 17 10:34 |
| nenolod | i just want a UI that doesn't make my eyes bleed | Oct 17 10:34 |
| nenolod | and isn't a rails app | Oct 17 10:34 |
| nenolod | redmine would be great | Oct 17 10:34 |
| nenolod | but alas, rails | Oct 17 10:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Oct 17 10:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'd almost be worth redoing redmine in java | Oct 17 10:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | but bleh | Oct 17 10:35 |
| nenolod | they did that | Oct 17 10:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one knows enough rails to try | Oct 17 10:35 |
| nenolod | it's called JIRA | Oct 17 10:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | heeeh | Oct 17 10:35 |
| nenolod | i can say this | Oct 17 10:37 |
| nenolod | if bkuhn or any of those guys ever chastizes me for using JIRA, i'll go knock them out | Oct 17 10:37 |
| nenolod | baseball bats are a great solution for trolling problems | Oct 17 10:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh the _Stock_ Nexus One is missing the FM radio if that matters ? Also space available on the phone itself is kinda less ~ 188 MB | Oct 17 10:38 | |
| Diablo-D3 | remind them sun, apache, redhat, and a few others use it | Oct 17 10:38 |
| MadRobot | Hi all. | Oct 17 10:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | MadRobot: what. | Oct 17 10:38 |
| nenolod | redhat uses bugzilla | Oct 17 10:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | redhat uses jira too | Oct 17 10:38 |
| MadRobot | Diablo-D3, ?? | Oct 17 10:38 |
| nenolod | why don't they move fedora over to it | Oct 17 10:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: probably too much of a pita | Oct 17 10:39 |
| nenolod | where is redhat's jira | Oct 17 10:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh since apps2SD came in with froyo, that is relatively moot. Also the possible tinkering and it still being "the google phone" | Oct 17 10:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh I really like it, cant complain but its my first ever smartphone, so I cant compare it to any other. What are your requirements ? | Oct 17 10:39 | |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: it might be jboss shit only | Oct 17 10:40 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 10:40 |
| nenolod | it's jira.jboss.org | Oct 17 10:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | but jboss is redhat now | Oct 17 10:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo, redhat has jira | Oct 17 10:40 |
| <--MadRobot has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Oct 17 10:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yes! Sex scene!!! :D Unfortunately I'm not in it.... :( | Oct 17 10:44 | |
| nenolod | man | Oct 17 10:45 |
| nenolod | i should just | Oct 17 10:45 |
| nenolod | fork the android email app | Oct 17 10:45 |
| nenolod | and fix it | Oct 17 10:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | the gmail one? its not open source. | Oct 17 10:45 |
| nenolod | no, AOSP comes with an app | Oct 17 10:46 |
| nenolod | called | Oct 17 10:46 |
| nenolod | "Email" | Oct 17 10:46 |
| nenolod | it's for checking email on an IMAP/POP3/Exchange/Groupwise server | Oct 17 10:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Oct 17 10:48 |
| nenolod | i still maintain that negative advertising is only profitable in the short term | Oct 17 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | thankfully Novemeber is almost here | Oct 17 10:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohoho | Oct 17 10:50 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Goals of the Keyring and Seahorse Projects | Stef Walter http://ping.fm/pzSFd | Oct 17 11:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Took a little time this morning to do something I haven't done a while: read a book, Tim O'Brien's memoir "The Things They Carried." | Oct 17 11:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: @Aaditya025 It will be great if you send me the mail about bugs so that i can correct. Thanks http://bit.ly/bGmH2h | Oct 17 11:08 | |
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| Viper550 | So, I hear MTS, a Manitoba phone company, is going lazy and stopping its own email services | Oct 17 11:12 |
| Viper550 | guess who they're outsourcing it to | Oct 17 11:12 |
| <--Ender2070 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Oct 17 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Mandlebroth died, aged 85. | Oct 17 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @fabsh depends which part of the world you live in ;) Out here FM radio is quite popular ! (although I am not a terribly big fan tbh) | Oct 17 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] TaintDroid code released http://lwn.net/Articles/410331/rss | Oct 17 11:13 | |
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| roy_ | Viper550: infosys? | Oct 17 11:14 |
| *roy_ jokes | Oct 17 11:14 | |
| Viper550 | no, they're forcing everyone with MTS email addresses ... to convert them to windows live hotmail. | Oct 17 11:14 |
| roy_ | That's where Microsoft moves internal ops | Oct 17 11:14 |
| roy_ | hotmail is where mail comes to fry | Oct 17 11:15 |
| Viper550 | on a related note, MTS already uses MS's IPTV software too | Oct 17 11:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] I have just done four hours of the international artworld. It was fun. Will take a while to process. #frieze | Oct 17 11:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Iceweasel Has To Restart http://bit.ly/bcdHWd - I gotta say, PyRoom is excellent for creating blog posts | Oct 17 11:16 | |
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| Viper550 | http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=111626&highlight=hotmail | Oct 17 11:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MTS changing email service soon - Digital Forum .::. Size~: 85.85 KB | Oct 17 11:16 |
| roy_ | So no big deal. Microsoft bedfellow just stays in bed | Oct 17 11:17 |
| roy_ | Would be worrisome if they switched beds | Oct 17 11:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @carlopiana I mean: Mandelbrot died aged 85 | Oct 17 11:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] “cd foo && make” have to die! Learn to use #make parameters! It's “make -C foo” or even better within Makefiles “$(MAKE) -C foo” !gentoo | Oct 17 11:18 | |
| roy_ | ok, i'll do a post about mts next week | Oct 17 11:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Basenji Gets A Scanner Daemon Which Automatically Adds Inserted Volumes To The Database http://bit.ly/cgqcnR | Oct 17 11:19 | |
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| roy_ | "I ditched Windoze for !Fedora. Is that good too? :)" http://identi.ca/notice/56447706 | Oct 17 11:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ben Trein (bentrein)'s status on Sunday, 17-Oct-10 10:41:40 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.01 KB | Oct 17 11:20 |
| roy_ | That's excellent. | Oct 17 11:20 |
| roy_ | identica is a FOSS/FS heaven | Oct 17 11:20 |
| roy_ | Viper550: in http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=111626&highlight=hotmail .... | Oct 17 11:24 |
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| roy_ | The favicon looks like it wasa pulled out of some disc recovery proggy from win 3.1 days | Oct 17 11:24 |
| Viper550 | oh, last pages looks like that MTS found a way to screw this up | Oct 17 11:25 |
| roy_ | Viper550: BTW... | Oct 17 11:26 |
| roy_ | I was kind of right the first time | Oct 17 11:26 |
| roy_ | About mail being sent to infosys | Oct 17 11:27 |
| roy_ | Remember who may run Hotmail soon (or already) | Oct 17 11:27 |
| roy_ | Not to mention Hotmail foundee | Oct 17 11:27 |
| roy_ | *der | Oct 17 11:27 |
| roy_ | "@schestowitz wow, I never thought I was going to see the downfold of ms internet browser dominance." http://identi.ca/conversation/55960373#notice-56470212 | Oct 17 11:35 |
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| roy_ | http://identi.ca/conversation/55971625#notice-56480245 "Microsoft shouldn't get the chance to say this; again saying #open_source can lend ethical credence to immoral people" | Oct 17 11:36 |
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| ---roy_ is now known as schestowitz | Oct 17 11:36 | |
| schestowitz | Open source to proprietary 'champions' is what plating trees is to Energy Giants | Oct 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | *planting | Oct 17 11:39 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/56480395 "Wait, WHAT? This is hilarious: "open source will ruin your life!" #opensource" | Oct 17 11:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Joel Adamson (trashbird1240)'s status on Sunday, 17-Oct-10 15:08:17 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.96 KB | Oct 17 11:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/66793 | Oct 17 11:43 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Research: Microsoft is nearly invisible in the mainstream press http://ur1.ca/23h7j Why I no longer track Microsoft much | Oct 17 11:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Business Software Alliance pressuring the European Commission to remove support for Open Standards. http://bit.ly/91CmfG /by @cshirky | Oct 17 11:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Freesoftware should respond more quickly to the threat of #FogComputing , including those online DBs that people throw personal info into | Oct 17 11:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Business Software Alliance has been attacking standards in Europe for several years now, with _public_ submissions. cc @silner #swpats | Oct 17 11:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] lol, misheard "benefit fraud" mentioned on !5live as "elephant fraud" which brought a whole new image to mind !plotidea | Oct 17 11:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @gotunandan What I mean is that it is redundant. You can get all that content over the web anyway. | Oct 17 11:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Benefits of open Development http://font.ubuntu.com/rupee/ #ubuntu #font #rupee (via @nigelbabu) | Oct 17 11:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The next big language http://j.mp/bF5xGg /by @newsycombinator | Oct 17 11:54 | |
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| schestowitz | nenolod: got an identica account? | Oct 17 11:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @schestowitz Research: Microsoft is nearly invisible in the mainstream press http://ur1.ca/23h7j Why I no longer track Microsoft much | Oct 17 11:59 | |
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| ThistleWeb | so where does it tell me? | Oct 17 12:01 |
| schestowitz | iceweasel is a real weasel! | Oct 17 12:01 |
| ThistleWeb | you tell me it's not hiding stuff, so I ask you where it tells me? | Oct 17 12:01 |
| ThistleWeb | if you know, why not tell me where it tells me? | Oct 17 12:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I can't see anywhere it tells me what it's updtaing, removing etc on that dialog box, or the addons box | Oct 17 12:02 |
| ThistleWeb | firefox never gave me that dialog box | Oct 17 12:02 |
| ThistleWeb | only iceweasel does | Oct 17 12:03 |
| ThistleWeb | you'll note I asked if anyone could tell me what it was trying to do | Oct 17 12:03 |
| ThistleWeb | since it wasn't saying what it was doing | Oct 17 12:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Concerned Taxpayers of America supported by only two donors - http://wapo.st/bopnZN made my day... (via @Mlsif) #us | Oct 17 12:04 | |
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| ThistleWeb | <Ender2070> stop being a tool and shoting DEBIANS EVIL << it's nice of you to represent me accurately......is what I'd be saying if you actually did | Oct 17 12:05 |
| ThistleWeb | but hey, we can't expect mirciles now can we | Oct 17 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Iceweasel Has To Restart | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 14.89 KB | Oct 17 12:06 |
| ThistleWeb | quote my text that states "DEBIAN IS EVIL" in shouty terms | Oct 17 12:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I uploaded some photos I took at the LOK (Linux in the Education Conference) http://goo.gl/6j54 !ubuntuhu #locoteams | Oct 17 12:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Picasa Web Albums - Mogorva Mormota - LOK 2010 (Bud... .::. Size~: 54.17 KB | Oct 17 12:06 |
| ThistleWeb | evil is a religious term, I have never used it in company / project terms | Oct 17 12:06 |
| ThistleWeb | I also rarely shout either in blog posts | Oct 17 12:07 |
| ThistleWeb | I was pointing out an issue I found in iceweasel in debian | Oct 17 12:07 |
| ThistleWeb | an "odd" issue | Oct 17 12:07 |
| ThistleWeb | I specifically remembered using the word "odd" | Oct 17 12:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @bkuhn one correction in the blog post, Mark Shuttleworth made those comments here: http://ur1.ca/23he7 just thought you should know :) | Oct 17 12:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MeetingLogs/openweekMaverick/AskMark - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 96.17 KB | Oct 17 12:08 |
| ThistleWeb | yes | Oct 17 12:08 |
| ThistleWeb | they are | Oct 17 12:08 |
| ThistleWeb | k, so it's a bug, will it get picked up and fixed now? probably | Oct 17 12:09 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's all good | Oct 17 12:09 |
| ThistleWeb | no, I used the one in the squeeze repos | Oct 17 12:09 |
| ThistleWeb | no it's not, but debian people won't just reasd their own stuff I'd imagine | Oct 17 12:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://picasaweb.google.com/mogorvamormota/LOK2010Budapest# | Oct 17 12:14 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: http://picasaweb.google.com/mogorvamormota/LOK2010Budapest#5528962351647425650 | Oct 17 12:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Rooibos vanilla #tea... I love rooibos tea! <3 | Oct 17 12:21 | |
| amarsh04 | iceweasel/firefox will advise that it should be restarted if one of the libraries/packages it depends on has changed - I usually restart it a bit later after I've re-run prelink | Oct 17 12:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kirotv.com/news/25382502/detail.html | Oct 17 12:29 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] The conference yesterday was awesome. I had the chance to demonstrate !Unity and GNOME Shell live. They were new for most of the audience. | Oct 17 12:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Impact of Open Notebook Science - http://bit.ly/cZL4j0 great interview With Jean-Claude Bradley (via @P2P_Foundation) #openscience | Oct 17 12:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FEATURE: Interview With Jean-Claude Bradley - The Impact of Open Notebook Science .::. Size~: 84.72 KB | Oct 17 12:29 |
| schestowitz | Rebooting Nancy Pelosi http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2010/10/15/nancy-pelosi-visits-microsoft | Oct 17 12:30 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Angry Birds: 1 Million Downloads in 1 Day - http://bit.ly/aeRd2s what's that about no games for Linux? #android #gaming | Oct 17 12:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody no _Windows_ games on GNU/Linux. As in, my "winmodem doesn't work in Linux" | Oct 17 12:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core - http://bit.ly/c64Pg0 a nice denial of this would be welcome... #ubuntu #canonical | Oct 17 12:36 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.kirotv.com/news/25382502/detail.html | Oct 17 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | oops. Wrong link | Oct 17 12:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back from rehearsals. Now back to podcast editing... | Oct 17 12:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody Mac Asay raved about 'open' core before Canonical took him on. | Oct 17 12:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @schestowitz indeed: *he* did *before*: the issue is what is happening now at the top, no? | Oct 17 12:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] This is something for @mjasay to [confirm|deny]: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core http://ur1.ca/23h7z | Oct 17 12:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 31.4 KB | Oct 17 12:41 |
| schestowitz | *LOL http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101014005296/en/IDC-Credit-Microsoft-Creating-Unique-Replicating-Competition | Oct 17 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: IDC Gives Credit to Microsoft for Creating Something Unique Rather than Replicating the Competition | Business Wire .::. Size~: 69.23 KB | Oct 17 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Pay to say | Oct 17 12:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody I've inquired | Oct 17 12:43 | |
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| ThistleWeb | amarsh04: re-run prelink? wtf is that? | Oct 17 12:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] William Shatner worries about global warming - http://bit.ly/alU7yb I'm surprised and impressed #climatechange #startrek | Oct 17 12:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody and for the record, the UbuntuOne Fog Computing thing (paying for hosting) is OK with me, as long as server side is libre | Oct 17 12:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Starship meets #AdobeTrash [IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/edyson/5087675832 | Oct 17 12:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Soldier who served in Vietnam denied Second Amendment Rights because of $100 fine before he went to Vietnam http://ur1.ca/23hpn #wtf | Oct 17 12:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: In The Neutral Zone | Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 77.32 KB | Oct 17 12:46 |
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| amarsh04 | prelink is a program that "modifies ELF shared libraries and ELF dynamically linked binaries in such a way that the time needed for the dynamic linker to perform relocations at startup significantly decreases" | Oct 17 12:47 |
| ThistleWeb | uhm.....k | Oct 17 12:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody Shatner is right. A lot of people make a lot of money (e.g. selling books) for reinforcing+enhancing people's ignorance | Oct 17 12:48 | |
| amarsh04 | I think most distros include prelink | Oct 17 12:48 |
| amarsh04 | some install it to run as a cron job | Oct 17 12:48 |
| ThistleWeb | so why would this appear in debian but not on ubuntu / mint? | Oct 17 12:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] culinary lessons for life: Anything is a meal when wrapped in a tortilla :P | Oct 17 12:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @schestowitz: This is something for @mjasay to [confirm|deny]: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core http://ur1.ca/23h7z | Oct 17 12:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Delicious Bookmark: CRTL strcat Example: http://bit.ly/a32liw | Oct 17 12:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @schestowitz indeed; but I had always rather written him off in terms of serious stuff - my misjudgement... | Oct 17 12:49 | |
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| amarsh04 | maybe either an update or prelink was running in the background when iceweasel was running | Oct 17 12:50 |
| ThistleWeb | it just appears to be so random, with no info on why | Oct 17 12:50 |
| amarsh04 | I disabled automatic updates and automatic prelinking, so that they happen when I deliberately choose to do them | Oct 17 12:51 |
| ThistleWeb | that's what confused me, no addon updates, nothing marked in the addon dialog as a reason, no "just updated" | Oct 17 12:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan I'm in Spain where they still charge you 2-400€ for the latest phones even with contract, so basically cheapest Android. | Oct 17 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How Xerox Invented the Information Age (and Gave it Away) | Cracked.com http://ping.fm/B9BPK | Oct 17 12:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @gotunandan, thanks for pointing it out. I've fixed blog post (& credited you with pointing it out). OMG !Ubuntu's reformatting confused me. | Oct 17 12:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Wonder why many apps in #Android market have access to position and internet apparently w/o real need | Oct 17 12:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @bkuhn Uff, that link leads to spam city!! :( *shudder* | Oct 17 12:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @richslxh,yeah,I didn't notice that until after typing it. I guess #StatusNet @support hasn't had time to maintain that site since launching | Oct 17 12:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Crackle launches first full movie service application on !Android | Android Central http://ping.fm/BnFsZ | Oct 17 13:04 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: Ina Freak spin: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20019143-56.html | Oct 17 13:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Angry Birds miffed over Microsoft miscue | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 190.55 KB | Oct 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pretends it was an accident | Oct 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | That's the "damage control" | Oct 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | in MSNBC too | Oct 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | The very INDEPENDENT news site | Oct 17 13:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: I am Open Source Consultant and own a start-up company ! Do let me know if you need better services and... http://bit.ly/cGjRDD | Oct 17 13:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Motorola asks court to invalidate Apple patents, preempt another lawsuit - http://ur1.ca/23gih - gonna see more of that. | Oct 17 13:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @nsisodiya excellent! | Oct 17 13:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] jQuery + OData + Netflix Catalog API demo: http://bit.ly/9pwC5Z | Oct 17 13:13 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fonearena.com/blog/24394/verizon-ceo-dumps-microsoft.html | Oct 17 13:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Verizon CEO dumps Microsoft .::. Size~: 57.06 KB | Oct 17 13:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/business/123470/microsoft-rim-deal-might-have-merit | Oct 17 13:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft-RIM deal might have merit | ITworld .::. Size~: 79.18 KB | Oct 17 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Two proprietary ones | Oct 17 13:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @bkuhn no problem. Your posts are highly informative and are a good read :) | Oct 17 13:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Buying Adobe Is "Nonsense," Says Kara Swisher http://ur1.ca/23i0x Might Adobe buy Microsoft one day? | Oct 17 13:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Buying Adobe Is "Nonsense," Says Kara Swisher .::. Size~: 129.54 KB | Oct 17 13:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @glynmoody, Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming. | Oct 17 13:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh Ahh... do a bit more research and see which one suits you. I chose the n1 because it is given preference by google and is hackable | Oct 17 13:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | I Think I May Have Reported A Bug http://bit.ly/cL0jZl | Oct 17 13:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: I Think I May Have Reported A Bug | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 15.88 KB | Oct 17 13:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/361732/ubuntu-we-wont-moan-to-eu-about-microsoft | Oct 17 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu: we won't moan to EU about Microsoft | News | PC Pro .::. Size~: 43.75 KB | Oct 17 13:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] #Epic #Win what happens when you violate GPL http://lwn.net/Articles/409864/ #HTC | Oct 17 13:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bkuhn Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming. | Oct 17 13:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Re: kernel panic about pagemap_read [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 7.24 KB | Oct 17 13:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[geekybodhi/@geekybodhi] If you sometimes deliberately act dumb, are you being smart? | Oct 17 13:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @pmate Star Wars in #ascii-art: http://ur1.ca/23i3i !debian !debianizzati | Oct 17 13:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG, why? Why? Why do people do such a terrible thing like that? And by the way, why is this featured on OMG! Ubuntu!? http://goo.gl/Ot2S | Oct 17 13:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Forum Italiano Debian - Debianizzati.Org • Leggi argomento - Per tutti gli appassionati di Star Wars .::. Size~: 18.76 KB | Oct 17 13:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dual-screen version of Ubuntu 10.10′s default wallpaper .::. Size~: 30.51 KB | Oct 17 13:33 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: "Will support all relevant platforms" - So then thats Windows Phone 7 off the list.... | Oct 17 13:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 13:42 |
| MinceR | along with hypeOS | Oct 17 13:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan I don't mind paying 100 bucks as long as I get net/web access + apps, hackable is always a plus :) | Oct 17 13:43 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/10/05/a-microsoft-slate-by-christmas-ceo-promises/ | Oct 17 13:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A Microsoft Slate by Christmas, CEO Promises - Digits - WSJ .::. Size~: 86.34 KB | Oct 17 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Watch photo | Oct 17 13:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: don't insult BSD developers' hard labour | Oct 17 13:44 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it's not the BSD developers' work that made hypeOS irrelevant | Oct 17 13:44 |
| schestowitz | It's not their fault Blows took their work and raised expectations | Oct 17 13:44 |
| MinceR | it's the crApple marketroids' hard work at turning the result of the BSD developers' hard work into something useless and hostile | Oct 17 13:45 |
| schestowitz | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/soundeconomywithjontalton/2013077894_goldman_only_wants_good_things.html | Oct 17 13:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sound Economy with Jon Talton | Goldman only wants good things for Microsoft. Really... | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 53.58 KB | Oct 17 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Corruptors' sympathy | Oct 17 13:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New Oh !Canada blog post: "Must Read" http://ur1.ca/23i9g !BillC32 #RadicalExtremism #BalancedCopyright #geist #IrwinLaw !copyright | Oct 17 13:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Must Read « Oh! Canada .::. Size~: 30.84 KB | Oct 17 13:48 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Which companies are making WP7 devices? (Ones that anounced) | Oct 17 13:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] To all music lovers from !crunchbang !debian !linux groups, get yourselves over to !rr Live tonight Web & IRC http://ratholeradio.org/live/ | Oct 17 13:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Live | RatholeRadio.org .::. Size~: 18.68 KB | Oct 17 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft persuaded Samsung | Oct 17 13:53 |
| gnufreex | That's it? | Oct 17 13:53 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft was like, "ow.... I don't know... you're kind of ugly" | Oct 17 13:53 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: HTC | Oct 17 13:53 |
| gnufreex | Oh yes.. | Oct 17 13:53 |
| schestowitz | After threat of lawsuit over Android | Oct 17 13:53 |
| MinceR | HTC needs to grow a pair | Oct 17 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Samsung and LG are big MSFT buddies | Oct 17 13:54 |
| schestowitz | LG just signed some Fog Computing deal with the Voled | Oct 17 13:54 |
| schestowitz | *Vole | Oct 17 13:54 |
| MinceR | s/uddi/itch/ | Oct 17 13:54 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Oct 17 13:54 |
| schestowitz | And they have swpats | Oct 17 13:54 |
| gnufreex | So nobody voluntarily suports Vista Phone 7 | Oct 17 13:54 |
| schestowitz | They were the first to sign a ballnux deal... 2007 | Oct 17 13:54 |
| MinceR | nobody voluntarily cares about kin7 | Oct 17 13:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Payment sofr Android/Bad-A | Oct 17 13:54 |
| gnufreex | Maybe Novell make a phone | Oct 17 13:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 17 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Oct 17 13:55 |
| schestowitz | They can't even make software | Oct 17 13:55 |
| gnufreex | They fit a description | Oct 17 13:55 |
| schestowitz | They make .NET copycat | Oct 17 13:55 |
| schestowitz | "Tell us what you do Microsoft" | Oct 17 13:55 |
| schestowitz | "Give us some MS-PLed code" | Oct 17 13:55 |
| gnufreex | It doesn't need to really work. It doesn't have copy/pase anyways. | Oct 17 13:56 |
| schestowitz | "We'll slap a monkey piccie on it and sell it for the hypeCrowd" | Oct 17 13:56 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: it's a FEATURE | Oct 17 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Remember: | Oct 17 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Copying="piracy" | Oct 17 13:57 |
| gnufreex | "We don't infringe. And we forbid our users, too" | Oct 17 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/03/21/dumbed-down-tablets-or-phones/ | Oct 17 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Are Proprietary Software Users Too Dangerous for Copying and Pasting? | Techrights .::. Size~: 109.5 KB | Oct 17 13:57 |
| schestowitz | And later: http://techrights.org/2010/10/12/heavily-marketed-relics/ | Oct 17 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Vista Phone 7 [sic] is Where Microsoft Partners Come to Die | Techrights .::. Size~: 95.82 KB | Oct 17 13:57 |
| gnufreex | Windows is for kidz. Now we have proof. | Oct 17 13:58 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: I had a one-hour chat with a friend over it this evening | Oct 17 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Basically, he's brainwashed by the copyright cartel | Oct 17 13:58 |
| schestowitz | It took me time to undo the brainwash | Oct 17 13:58 |
| schestowitz | And he also thinks that the Internet in 10 years will be all censorship-based | Oct 17 13:58 |
| gnufreex | Oh dear | Oct 17 13:59 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: Vita Phone 7 is like crayon | Oct 17 13:59 |
| schestowitz | You can chew it and no poison control needed | Oct 17 13:59 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: but it came from another direction | Oct 17 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Not wikileaks and all | Oct 17 14:00 |
| schestowitz | It started with kids getting to pr0n and death pics by accident | Oct 17 14:00 |
| schestowitz | e.g. Google Images | Oct 17 14:00 |
| schestowitz | And I knew this guy as a kid, back when kids had to find the dirty magazines to get access to such material | Oct 17 14:00 |
| gnufreex | lol | Oct 17 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Now you have very young kids seeing this stuff | Oct 17 14:01 |
| schestowitz | LOLWTF? http://views.washingtonpost.com/on-success/rapid-reinvention/2010/10/_erin_honeycomb_is_a.html | Oct 17 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Going for It: Rapid Reinvention: Yoga with Microsoft's Erin Honeycutt - Avis Thomas-Lester .::. Size~: 45.44 KB | Oct 17 14:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @bkuhn Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming. | Oct 17 14:03 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/should-microsoft-become-multiple-mini-microsofts/7560 | Oct 17 14:04 |
| gnufreex | WTF is this? | Oct 17 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Should Microsoft become multiple mini-Microsofts? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 136.65 KB | Oct 17 14:04 |
| gnufreex | They do yogi with Microsofties? | Oct 17 14:04 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: #pressfail | Oct 17 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Yugo | Oct 17 14:04 |
| schestowitz | All Rights Reserved | Oct 17 14:05 |
| gnufreex | lol, Yugo | Oct 17 14:05 |
| gnufreex | Best car ever | Oct 17 14:05 |
| ThistleWeb | smarter than the average car? | Oct 17 14:05 |
| ThistleWeb | yayeeee | Oct 17 14:05 |
| gnufreex | no, the dumbest | Oct 17 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has yoga-fu http://kotaku.com/5654739/microsoft-japan-employee-arrested-for-fondling-a-schoolgirl | Oct 17 14:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Japan Employee Arrested For Fondling A Schoolgirl .::. Size~: 78.96 KB | Oct 17 14:06 |
| ThistleWeb | didn't get the yogi bear joke then | Oct 17 14:06 |
| schestowitz | http://topnews.net.nz/content/28625-microsoft-catches-nz-web-sites-and-it-can-get-real-ugly | Oct 17 14:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft catches NZ web sites and it can get real ugly | TopNews New Zealand .::. Size~: 32.55 KB | Oct 17 14:07 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: http://www.twice.com/article/457897-Samsung_Microsoft_Sign_Win_7_Pact.php | Oct 17 14:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Samsung, Microsoft Sign Win 7 Pact - 2010-10-01 18:17:18 | TWICE .::. Size~: 51.32 KB | Oct 17 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft got sweaty and Samsung got cold feet | Oct 17 14:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Did Facebook fuck up AGAIN privacy-wise? Oo | Oct 17 14:09 | |
| gnufreex | Yeah, Samsung had their OS | Oct 17 14:09 |
| gnufreex | Bada or something | Oct 17 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Ina Freak spin: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20018286-56.html | Oct 17 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft promotes three to division president | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 105.76 KB | Oct 17 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Reality: exodus | Oct 17 14:10 |
| cubevector | wow that's a way better name than crappa | Oct 17 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Spin: WOW! Promot~1~~~ | Oct 17 14:10 |
| gnufreex | Does Motorla have cross-deal with Samsung? They should hit them. | Oct 17 14:11 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: Bad-A | Oct 17 14:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR calls it that | Oct 17 14:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Dude.... I had maybe one hour free time this weekend... With all the Audacity fail I've been editing for over 16 hrs straight now. | Oct 17 14:11 | |
| cubevector | got a mic today, so experimenting :) | Oct 17 14:11 |
| schestowitz | It's a skinned Android | Oct 17 14:11 |
| MinceR | Bad A is just a reskinned android? | Oct 17 14:11 |
| gnufreex | Really? | Oct 17 14:11 |
| MinceR | i thought it was brand new | Oct 17 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Can you skin an Android? | Oct 17 14:12 |
| gnufreex | I also thought it is new | Oct 17 14:12 |
| schestowitz | They usually have metallic finish | Oct 17 14:12 |
| gnufreex | Also read somewhere that is microkernel or such | Oct 17 14:12 |
| gnufreex | But all lies | Oct 17 14:12 |
| MinceR | if you can skin a GUI then you can also skin an android | Oct 17 14:12 |
| MinceR | gnufreex: nope, it's Linux-based | Oct 17 14:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: lowercase android | Oct 17 14:12 |
| schestowitz | They are not furry | Oct 17 14:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Hannibaloid | Oct 17 14:13 |
| schestowitz | SweatyB has reasons to leap http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101001-709079.html | Oct 17 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft CEO's Compensation Rose 5.5% To $1.4M In Latest Year - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 126.24 KB | Oct 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/10/01/243120/BAE-Systems-readies-desktop-and-Microsoft-App-V-virtualisation-with.htm | Oct 17 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BAE Systems readies desktop and Microsoft App-V virtualisation with Camwood - 10/1/2010 - Computer Weekly .::. Size~: 68.97 KB | Oct 17 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Who ever started this stupid rumour? http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/10/1/microsoft-rumoured-be-buying-linden-lab/ | Oct 17 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 17 14:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Second-Life-Linden-Lab-Mark-Kingdon-virtual-World-Xbox,11402.html | Oct 17 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft May Buy Second Life Developer .::. Size~: 111.2 KB | Oct 17 14:15 |
| gnufreex | It is amusing how obvious Microsoft shills are denying in comments. It is becoming hard to cover up the obvious. | Oct 17 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Funny logo: http://technologizer.com/2010/09/30/how-many-spaces-users-are-there-anyhow/ | Oct 17 14:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How Many Spaces Users Are There, Anyhow? .::. Size~: 45.81 KB | Oct 17 14:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft fraud examiner selling Redmond 4BD http://ur1.ca/23iht, Has he been looking inside his employer? | Oct 17 14:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How propaganda is disseminated: WikiLeaks Edition - http://bit.ly/cWLd6F good blog report on newspaper failings (via @dangillmor) #irony | Oct 17 14:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ur1 Generator .::. Size~: 1.93 KB | Oct 17 14:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How propaganda is disseminated: WikiLeaks Edition - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com .::. Size~: 85.52 KB | Oct 17 14:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techeye.net/business/billy-goats-unite-behind-microsoft | Oct 17 14:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Billy goats unite behind Microsoft - To clear out patent trolls | TechEye .::. Size~: 25.76 KB | Oct 17 14:21 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Did you read bkuhn comment on shuttleworth? | Oct 17 14:21 |
| gnufreex | I think we have the reason why UF are hostile to free sofware | Oct 17 14:21 |
| gnufreex | They want community that would accept OpenCore | Oct 17 14:22 |
| gnufreex | as Good Thing | Oct 17 14:22 |
| schestowitz | OK, this is weird... | Oct 17 14:23 |
| gnufreex | So anyone who advocates free software is threat to canonical | Oct 17 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Why does Google say it indexed 73,700 pages in techright? | Oct 17 14:23 |
| schestowitz | *right | Oct 17 14:23 |
| schestowitz | *>rights | Oct 17 14:23 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: naaa | Oct 17 14:23 |
| schestowitz | You think too far | Oct 17 14:23 |
| schestowitz | And I don't like Kuhn | Oct 17 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Conceited New Yorker | Oct 17 14:24 |
| schestowitz | And self righteous at that... | Oct 17 14:24 |
| schestowitz | he always looks for dirt on Ubuntu | Oct 17 14:24 |
| schestowitz | I can only guess why | Oct 17 14:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh Sheesh! Ok, i'll take that back, this time you have been busy! :) | Oct 17 14:24 | |
| gnufreex | I think he nailed it pretty well. | Oct 17 14:24 |
| schestowitz | lolz http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2779793 | Oct 17 14:27 |
| gnufreex | They want to make open core stuff, they don't care for community. They are effectively breaking community. Also, Teo Tso wrote on LWN.net same thing some time ago. | Oct 17 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Has Microsoft developed the best browser ever? - Peterborough Examiner - Ontario, CA .::. Size~: 78.26 KB | Oct 17 14:27 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: re Ubuntu? | Oct 17 14:27 |
| gnufreex | Yes | Oct 17 14:27 |
| schestowitz | He also complained about Debian "jihad" or something | Oct 17 14:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google is being strange today, claiming to have indexed 73,600 pages in !techrights even though we have ~15,000 | Oct 17 14:28 | |
| schestowitz | T'so is Google now, right? | Oct 17 14:28 |
| schestowitz | From IBM | Oct 17 14:28 |
| gnufreex | He was talking about Shuttleworth in that reply. | Oct 17 14:28 |
| schestowitz | They are like Linus... don't care about freedom | Oct 17 14:28 |
| gnufreex | Yes, Tso is at Google. | Oct 17 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Tso=Android | Oct 17 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Hypocrite! | Oct 17 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Canonical is more free than Google | Oct 17 14:29 |
| gnufreex | You sound like lefty: jra=android; google firewal | Oct 17 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Then there's JRA | Oct 17 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 17 14:29 |
| schestowitz | beat me to it | Oct 17 14:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] NCIS taking on chat roulette? That show really loves its Internet memes.... :) | Oct 17 14:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh ;) I hope I get some time to chill tomorrow so I can tackle our !minecraft server.... | Oct 17 14:29 | |
| schestowitz | But.. | Oct 17 14:29 |
| schestowitz | I was looking for a way to defend JRA here | Oct 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | The press turns this agitator into an idol now.. | Oct 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/10/apples_enemy_is_microsofts_fri.php | Oct 17 14:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple's Enemy Is Microsoft's Friend - Seattle News - The Daily Weekly .::. Size~: 94.72 KB | Oct 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Seattle press | Oct 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft bribes her | Oct 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | She's posing like she's an east European wife for sale | Oct 17 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Probably some FB crap | Oct 17 14:31 |
| MinceR | DFB* | Oct 17 14:32 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: http://lwn.net/Articles/399380/ | Oct 17 14:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Copyright assignment - Once bitten, twice shy (The H) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 12.52 KB | Oct 17 14:32 |
| MinceR | what/who's JRA? | Oct 17 14:34 |
| gnufreex | Jeremy Allison | Oct 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Jerema | Oct 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | nm | Oct 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | JIRA! | Oct 17 14:34 |
| gnufreex | lol | Oct 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | [15:41] <Diablo-D3> ergo, redhat has jira | Oct 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | [15:41] <nenolod> it's jira.jboss.org | Oct 17 14:34 |
| schestowitz | [15:40] <nenolod> where is redhat's jira | Oct 17 14:35 |
| schestowitz | What's my $%##@# name? | Oct 17 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Jigga! | Oct 17 14:35 |
| schestowitz | And who I'm rollin' with? | Oct 17 14:35 |
| schestowitz | My ... | Oct 17 14:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIA7tuBqqY | Oct 17 14:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Jay-Z - Jigga What, Jigga Who .::. Size~: 160.08 KB | Oct 17 14:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh You've got a minecraft server? Cool! I'm always up for testing Alpha games. | Oct 17 14:36 | |
| MinceR | Jigga Jigga! | Oct 17 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Yo Dawg, I herd you hard my JIRA has buffer overflows | Oct 17 14:37 |
| MinceR | Welcome to the main arena! | Oct 17 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Come debug my on my Benz | Oct 17 14:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh Talking of Chat Roulette, this guy is awesome: http://richs-lxh.com/chatroulette-guy-on-linux-penguin-chicken/ | Oct 17 14:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Chatroulette Guy on Linux Penguin = Chicken - Father, Husband, Linux Geek& .::. Size~: 29.03 KB | Oct 17 14:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @bkuhn that's particular notice reminds me of #Eben's "I didn’t have any date tonight. Everybody knows that. My calendar’s on the web." :) | Oct 17 14:39 | |
| schestowitz | http://seekingalpha.com/article/227519-steve-jobs-quest-for-global-dominance | Oct 17 14:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Steve Jobs' Quest for Global Dominance -- Seeking Alpha .::. Size~: 96.75 KB | Oct 17 14:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @richslxh @fabsh Talking of Chat Roulette, this guy is awesome: http://richs-lxh.com/chatroulette-guy-on-linux-penguin-chicken/ | Oct 17 14:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Chatroulette Guy on Linux Penguin = Chicken - Father, Husband, Linux Geek& .::. Size~: 29.03 KB | Oct 17 14:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www1.albawaba.com/news/microsoft-jordan-organizes-startup-pitch-session-cooperation-oasis500 | Oct 17 14:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Jordan organizes a Startup Pitch session in cooperation with Oasis500 | Al Bawaba .::. Size~: 37.58 KB | Oct 17 14:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @osamak: Oracle asked the founders of #TDF and LibreOffice to leave the OO.o Community Council http://ur1.ca/23crp !gnu | Oct 17 14:44 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 179.87 KB | Oct 17 14:44 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: i do, but i don't actually use it | Oct 17 14:46 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: i'm trying to figure out how to connect it and twitter | Oct 17 14:47 |
| schestowitz | never mind, in case you will... | Oct 17 14:47 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: it's simple | Oct 17 14:47 |
| schestowitz | identi.ca has option to carbon-copy to twitter acct | Oct 17 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I used to use ping.fm | Oct 17 14:47 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 14:47 |
| nenolod | i want the other direction | Oct 17 14:47 |
| nenolod | i like twitter's UI | Oct 17 14:47 |
| nenolod | identica's makes me sad | Oct 17 14:48 |
| *schestowitz adds http://identi.ca/nenolod | Oct 17 14:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: William Pitcock (nenolod) - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 14.4 KB | Oct 17 14:48 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 14:48 |
| nenolod | i have 1 tweet | Oct 17 14:48 |
| nenolod | asking the current moron in charge of audacious in debian why he is ruining it | Oct 17 14:49 |
| nenolod | :D | Oct 17 14:49 |
| nenolod | actually | Oct 17 14:49 |
| nenolod | he is not so bad | Oct 17 14:49 |
| nenolod | he wants to replace emulation parts of audacious-plugins with GPLv2-only code that is more accurate | Oct 17 14:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Not yet..... ;) | Oct 17 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xml | Oct 17 14:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gentoo Linux Documentation-- The How and Why of XMMS removal .::. Size~: 10.52 KB | Oct 17 14:50 |
| schestowitz | "Audacious is a XMMS look-alike written in GTK 2. It supports XMMS skins but does not behave exactly like XMMS. Several plugins are available like audacious-docklet that displays an icon in the systemtray, audtty that allows you to control audacious in the command line, audacious-crossfade that allows continuous output and crossfading and a lot more to come or already available. There is a thread on the forums where you can request | Oct 17 14:51 |
| schestowitz | plugin ports." | Oct 17 14:51 |
| schestowitz | The Swedish guy had that funny photo for "goodbye Gentoo" | Oct 17 14:51 |
| nenolod | oh, with what's his name | Oct 17 14:51 |
| schestowitz | xmms hardly works anymore | Oct 17 14:51 |
| schestowitz | OSS | Oct 17 14:51 |
| schestowitz | somethingson | Oct 17 14:51 |
| nenolod | audacious supports multiple UIs | Oct 17 14:51 |
| nenolod | oh shit | Oct 17 14:52 |
| nenolod | i found "symantec revolution" | Oct 17 14:52 |
| nenolod | i forgot about this | Oct 17 14:52 |
| nenolod | i wonder if microsoft has a song like this | Oct 17 14:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-employees-bored-2010-9 | Oct 17 14:52 |
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| schestowitz | Been hearing the same from brother's friend.. | Oct 17 14:53 |
| schestowitz | They die out of boredom | Oct 17 14:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/study_microsoft_has_fallen_off_the_mainstream_medias_radar.html | Oct 17 14:53 |
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| schestowitz | Nonchalance kills them | Oct 17 14:53 |
| nenolod | http://nenolod.net/~nenolod/Symantec_Revolution.mp3 | Oct 17 14:54 |
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| nenolod | er | Oct 17 14:54 |
| schestowitz | mp3? | Oct 17 14:54 |
| schestowitz | mpeg-la | Oct 17 14:54 |
| nenolod | ok, and? | Oct 17 14:54 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing we have firefox now | Oct 17 14:54 |
| schestowitz | So when I send people oggs they can play these | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | i'm not transcoding something that is already in mp3 | Oct 17 14:55 |
| amarsh04 | the only audio player that has lower cpu than xmms 1.2 that I've found has been moc (Music On Console) | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | plus most of the mp3 patents are expired | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | amarsh04: have you even tried audacious with gtkui? | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | it uses 0% CPU here | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | and i'm clocked down to 933mhz right now | Oct 17 14:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn Biggest difference between #Red_Hat and #Canonical is Red Hat shows some capacity to acknowledge and learn from mistakes | Oct 17 14:56 | |
| amarsh04 | not sure if it's packaged for Debian... audacious took an order of magnitude more cpu than xmms 1.2 | Oct 17 14:56 |
| schestowitz | mplayer from cli? | Oct 17 14:56 |
| schestowitz | not verbose | Oct 17 14:56 |
| amarsh04 | that is also a possibility schestowitz | Oct 17 14:56 |
| cubevector | first audio blog is done... just a short one | Oct 17 14:56 |
| cubevector | http://www.maxhost.org/other/audio-blog-1.mp3 | Oct 17 14:57 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana [RHT] Biggest difference between #Red_Hat and #Canonical is Red Hat shows some capacity to acknowledge and learn from mistakes | Oct 17 14:58 | |
| nenolod | symantec has a corporate theme song | Oct 17 14:58 |
| nenolod | i just want to remark how depressing that is | Oct 17 14:58 |
| nenolod | they probably paid like $250k for it too | Oct 17 14:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn it still feels like infighting. Canonical is not our real problem at the moment and @mjasay can clarify | Oct 17 14:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn #swpats are a bigger issue than #Open_Core IMHO. Far bigger. | Oct 17 14:59 | |
| schestowitz | "No more soup for you!!!" http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/34694/Microsoft-reduces-TechNet-keys http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/9/27/microsoft-drops-technet-key-allowance/ errr.... OK | Oct 17 15:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @schestowitz that is probably unfair of me. Rather I will just say: I think Canonical is making some bad policy decisions. | Oct 17 15:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fontana Red Hat's too sometimes. Fog Computing, software patents, NDAs over settlements, and the list goes on. Canonical is not much worse. | Oct 17 15:03 | |
| nenolod | i'm not sure what you mean by fog computing | Oct 17 15:03 |
| nenolod | EC2 or Google Apps? | Oct 17 15:03 |
| nenolod | i'm guessing Google Apps, since EC2 is just virtualization on demand tied up with an API | Oct 17 15:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn you mean the era of the Red Baron web browser :-) | Oct 17 15:04 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/362101/microsofting_juniper_networks/ | Oct 17 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | nenolod: data in someone else's hands | Oct 17 15:07 |
| nenolod | so Google Apps, then. | Oct 17 15:08 |
| schestowitz | As a phenomenon, yes | Oct 17 15:09 |
| schestowitz | http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=11694740 | Oct 17 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | nenolod: too many Google fan[people] | Oct 17 15:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, I'd actually forgotten about #Red_Baron until you just mentioned it, but that was one proprietary app among *many* in old #RedHat. | Oct 17 15:09 | |
| schestowitz | Willing to subs foss for fog | Oct 17 15:09 |
| schestowitz | the !microsoft crowd | Oct 17 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Apple | Oct 17 15:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] testing twitter <-> identi.ca integration, don't mind me. | Oct 17 15:11 | |
| nenolod | ok | Oct 17 15:11 |
| nenolod | wtf | Oct 17 15:11 |
| nenolod | oh | Oct 17 15:12 |
| nenolod | hey it works | Oct 17 15:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Can Art Do Technology And Social Change? - http://www.axisweb.org/dlForum.aspx?ESSAYID=18115 | Oct 17 15:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn at the same time, #Red_Hat pointed the way to a new direction with the release of RMS Linux, a historical turning point :-) | Oct 17 15:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] actually, as ugly as identi.ca's UI is, it's much faster than #newtwitter. i think i'll just post from it until i find a decent client. | Oct 17 15:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Having spent the afternoon at Frieze I now have nothing in the cupboard to eat. There's a lesson here about art that I refuse to acknowledge | Oct 17 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evil | Oct 17 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @fontana I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evil | Oct 17 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, PLEASE do write essay on why contribution agreements are #evil (although OTOH IMO it is possible to do a community-friendly one). | Oct 17 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "universal constructors" on Jamendo.com. go now. *now*. seriously. "lounge blizzard" and "wonky disco" FTW! ur1.ca/23iyk | Oct 17 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, IMO that's not a fair assessment of !Canonical Ltd b/c it's much younger than #Red_Hat. It may learn yet. (cf: Founder's syndrome) | Oct 17 15:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I don't have a problem with trusted FLOSS NPOs aggregating developer copyrights (I think you have influenced my thinking there) | Oct 17 15:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] "being always connected,always accessible or interruptible,&with music blaring most of the time, gets in the way of thinking" #Stroustrup !q | Oct 17 15:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, the key to that is doing the right kind of promise-back to developers what the non-profit organization can do with the code later. | Oct 17 15:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] @schestowitz #Open_Core (copyright reassignment) is a pretty big deal - it's one of the things that has really held GNU back at times. | Oct 17 15:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] (infact, #Open_Core is one of the talking points the BSD community used to use when comparing itself to GNU...) | Oct 17 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | "they index archive listings, categories and other useless pages; using meta robots noindex,follow on such pages should fix it" http://identi.ca/conversation/56021347#notice-56505181 | Oct 17 15:21 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Omfg! has anybody tried Collier's Welsh cheddar? My wife found some in a Spanish supermarket. Unbe-flippin-lievable! #cheeselove | Oct 17 15:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I think it is difficult to make legally bulletproof promise back, which is why I think degree of trust in the organization matters | Oct 17 15:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @nenolod #Open_Core is one of the talking points the BSD community used to use when comparing itself to GNU... | Oct 17 15:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evil | Oct 17 15:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] I now really really really want a reprap or a makerbot. And I really really really really need to finish learning Blender. | Oct 17 15:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] uClibc 0.9.32-git still fails build on amd64. fiddlesticks. :< | Oct 17 15:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok everybody, !ratholeradio LIVE and uncensored in about half an hour. IRC is just starting to get warmed up, come join in, more the merrier | Oct 17 15:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Saw Tracey Emin I almost liked at Frieze, which is new. | Oct 17 15:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I dunno, I don't think the good things Red Hat has done (or changed) are related to its older age | Oct 17 15:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL "I saw your profile in the internet friendship site today" #spamawkwardness | Oct 17 15:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @robmyers I'll tell you what you want, what you really really want... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCNc8l26yrI | Oct 17 15:38 | |
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| roy__ | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=3 "[PJ: That's one possible explanation. Here's another possibility -- that IBM knows how to deal with the Open Source Community, and Oracle now realizes, after the unfortunate Google litigation, it could use some help improving on that.] " | Oct 17 15:41 |
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| roy__ | http://identi.ca/notice/56489075 "Yes! "Hey, we're doing our part! We spilled a little, yeah..."" | Oct 17 15:43 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @webmaven: Very interesting article on FB vs. Twitter: is.gd/g5Nrj Commercialization implications for federated #sn groups functionality? | Oct 17 15:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just setup a blip.tv account and posted a text .ogv, it works a treat | Oct 17 15:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #libreoffice is biased, so I'd wait for confirmation from Oracle that they abolish OOo community members. http://ur1.ca/227yl | Oct 17 15:56 | |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: URL/ | Oct 17 15:57 |
| schestowitz | ? | Oct 17 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Linux demos? | Oct 17 15:57 |
| ThistleWeb | it's linux mint and drupal | Oct 17 15:58 |
| ThistleWeb | thats the idea | Oct 17 15:58 |
| ThistleWeb | right now there's only a 17 or so second test cast | Oct 17 15:58 |
| schestowitz | what's the direct url of the ogv? | Oct 17 15:58 |
| schestowitz | I want to put that in daily link | Oct 17 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Would get it a few thousands of d/ls | Oct 17 15:59 |
| ThistleWeb | but as it grows, yeah it will be beginner level linux mint tutorials and drawing attention to lesser known drupal modules | Oct 17 15:59 |
| schestowitz | I need oggs | Oct 17 15:59 |
| schestowitz | I use tinyoggs for now | Oct 17 15:59 |
| ThistleWeb | http://thistleweb.blip.tv/ | Oct 17 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | I just need ogg url | Oct 17 16:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I'll need to find that | Oct 17 16:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I just joined like 15mins ago | Oct 17 16:00 |
| schestowitz | how do I get to the ogg? | Oct 17 16:01 |
| schestowitz | They changed the UI | Oct 17 16:01 |
| schestowitz | I once managed to do that | Oct 17 16:01 |
| schestowitz | in different formats | Oct 17 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Cool. Scottish accent | Oct 17 16:02 |
| schestowitz | They Flashify Ogg | Oct 17 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Which isn't esp. helpful | Oct 17 16:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I uploaded a ogv staright from recordmydesktop without any conversion | Oct 17 16:03 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah they do | Oct 17 16:03 |
| ThistleWeb | they gave a link to the file before they converted it, I'm having a look through the dashboard | Oct 17 16:04 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Oct 17 16:06 |
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| Viper550 | re http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/acid-test-and-winphone7/ | Oct 17 16:10 |
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| schestowitz | we already have gigs of videos there | Oct 17 16:10 |
| Viper550 | Well, they SAID it wasn't based off IE9. | Oct 17 16:10 |
| schestowitz | IE9 sucks | Oct 17 16:10 |
| schestowitz | RAM+CPU | Oct 17 16:10 |
| Viper550 | but its engine is better than "in between IE7 and IE8" | Oct 17 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | Made in sweatshops | Oct 17 16:11 |
| nenolod | IE9 is better than IE8 as far as font rendering quality goes | Oct 17 16:11 |
| cubevector | haven't even looked at IE in years | Oct 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | I touched it yesterday | Oct 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | To test a connection on another machine | Oct 17 16:11 |
| schestowitz | F5 | Oct 17 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I'm getting a new router tomorrow | Oct 17 16:12 |
| nenolod | but i've usually found that windows's font rendering has been depressing compared to freetype and OS X | Oct 17 16:12 |
| schestowitz | This one keeps dropping my off since Sunday | Oct 17 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Last one | Oct 17 16:12 |
| cubevector | with routers those tiny ac adapters tend to go | Oct 17 16:12 |
| cubevector | so I keep spares | Oct 17 16:13 |
| nenolod | i do all my routing on a cisco | Oct 17 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Spares for the spares of the spares | Oct 17 16:13 |
| nenolod | at&t is going to be very confused on friday | Oct 17 16:13 |
| nenolod | lolz | Oct 17 16:13 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: you lost the connection there for a second | Oct 17 16:14 |
| schestowitz | But logs did not miss a thing | Oct 17 16:14 |
| schestowitz | I'll probably get them off your machine tomorrow after I set up a new router | Oct 17 16:14 |
| cubevector | heh true | Oct 17 16:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Listening to @fabsh interview on This Week In Fedora podcast. Interesting to hear about his background and experience in FOSS. | Oct 17 16:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @kevie: rathole radio just started the live broadcast :) !rr | Oct 17 16:14 | |
| schestowitz | Been logging without loss since 2008 | Oct 17 16:14 |
| nenolod | if you need a place to run a logbot, i could set up a VM for it | Oct 17 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I lost a few lines here and there | Oct 17 16:15 |
| cubevector | well if your ISP goes, you go | Oct 17 16:15 |
| cubevector | unless you have multiple ISPs | Oct 17 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I have multiple locations for it | Oct 17 16:15 |
| schestowitz | At least two | Oct 17 16:15 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: thanks | Oct 17 16:15 |
| nenolod | let me know tomorrow | Oct 17 16:16 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: a friend of mine near London has multiple ISPs | Oct 17 16:16 |
| schestowitz | he lives in remote location | Oct 17 16:16 |
| cubevector | if you can afford it, why not | Oct 17 16:16 |
| schestowitz | So he sets it up so that when one goes down the conduit falls over to the other channel | Oct 17 16:16 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: he needs it for work and he's a BT execs, so it's cheap | Oct 17 16:17 |
| cubevector | ah well then | Oct 17 16:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listen to !RatholeRadio now OR ELSE!!!! http://ratholeradio.org | Oct 17 16:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] re: "The Social network": I always assumed that Facebook's stickiness was due more to its status updates than to its early exclusivity... | Oct 17 16:19 | |
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| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: as yet I dunno how to give an ogv only feed, but this one lists both the flv and ogv http://thistleweb.blip.tv/rss | Oct 17 16:22 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !ratholeradio is on! !rr | Oct 17 16:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Would I be too geeky by saying that the true heroes of "The Social Network" were Linux, PHP, MySQL, Apache (w/ nods to wget and Perl)? | Oct 17 16:23 | |
| ThistleWeb | I do plan to have a screencast section on my site, with embedded video from there, I may be able to create an ogv feed from that, I'll see what I can do | Oct 17 16:23 |
| cubevector | it would be kind of interesting to hear what everyone sounds like | Oct 17 16:24 |
| ThistleWeb | I've kinda gotten used to the sound of my voice but it took a while to get over the cringing when I was doing HPR eps | Oct 17 16:25 |
| cubevector | yeah plus it must be hard to talk about Microsoft and keeping the disgust out of your voice :) | Oct 17 16:25 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Oct 17 16:26 |
| cubevector | I did CBC radio once | Oct 17 16:27 |
| cubevector | doing stuff at home was much more relaxed | Oct 17 16:28 |
| ThistleWeb | I do stuff in single takes, I can't be arsed with mixing | Oct 17 16:28 |
| cubevector | yeah | Oct 17 16:28 |
| cubevector | well you can always do a rehearsal or something | Oct 17 16:28 |
| cubevector | then do it in one take | Oct 17 16:29 |
| ThistleWeb | it does mean that I often take several attempts at it, when I get brain farts part way through and end up with screencast equivelent of dead air | Oct 17 16:29 |
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| cubevector | well point form notes might help | Oct 17 16:29 |
| ThistleWeb | when I try, I plan vague bullet points of what I need to cover and what order, beyond that I wing it | Oct 17 16:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] RD bkuhn: #Shuttleworth, @sabdfl of !Ubuntu finally admits to #Open_Core plans for !Canonical: http://ur1.ca/23h7z | Oct 17 16:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just played on !ratholeradio Live: Nerdcore by MC Frontalot http://frontalot.com | Oct 17 16:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Now doing the mixdown of !LO 169. Shame I can't listen to !rr live.... :/ | Oct 17 16:29 | |
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| cubevector | yes, plus you don't want to sound like your reading from cue cards :) | Oct 17 16:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Groklaw stopped with the Apple mentions, so power to PJ | Oct 17 16:30 |
| ThistleWeb | that too | Oct 17 16:30 |
| cubevector | you're | Oct 17 16:30 |
| schestowitz | It did kind of happen after I started a discussion about it, but it's unlikely to be related | Oct 17 16:30 |
| ThistleWeb | I couldnt do reading, I can only talk off the cuff | Oct 17 16:30 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: ah, excellent feed | Oct 17 16:31 |
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| cubevector | kind of short ThistleWeb :) | Oct 17 16:33 |
| ThistleWeb | quality, not quantity | Oct 17 16:34 |
| Viper550 | I know that this doesn't involve open source, but did you hear about the internet brands vs. xenforo brouhaha? | Oct 17 16:34 |
| ThistleWeb | rofl | Oct 17 16:34 |
| ThistleWeb | at least I joined, and tested the ogv compatibility, converting it was a bit of a pain | Oct 17 16:34 |
| ThistleWeb | since it takes it without converting, it's ideal | Oct 17 16:35 |
| *cubevector wonders what MinceR sounds like | Oct 17 16:35 | |
| cubevector | Viper550, nope | Oct 17 16:35 |
| ThistleWeb | over the next few days I'll be recording a few more and setting up my site's end of it | Oct 17 16:35 |
| cubevector | I could do an openbsd screencast | Oct 17 16:36 |
| Viper550 | http://vbtruth.com/ | Oct 17 16:36 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @kevie Interview with Jono Bacon tonight on Rathole Radio !rr !ubuntu stream http://65.60.11.2:8216/live | Oct 17 16:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Anyone knows a music streaming service that runs WITHOUT Flash? | Reddit Discussion http://ping.fm/nD3ph | Oct 17 16:36 | |
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| MinceR | 223010 < schestowitz> MinceR: Groklaw stopped with the Apple mentions, so power to PJ | Oct 17 16:36 |
| MinceR | is that good or bad? | Oct 17 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Good | Oct 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | The feeds are almost Apple free | Oct 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | Almost | Oct 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | See http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 at top | Oct 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | ' | Oct 17 16:37 |
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| schestowitz | * | Oct 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | * Band replaces instruments with iPhones, still rocks out | Oct 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | * Sunday, October 17 2010 @ 03:43 PM EDT | Oct 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | * The solution? Play on iPhones, instead. The results are surprisingly good. | Oct 17 16:37 |
| schestowitz | ' | Oct 17 16:37 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 17 16:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/red-hat-summit-and-jboss-world-call-for-papers-now-open-2010-10-13?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Oct 17 16:38 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Could anyone explain how !Sugar Presence Service works in !Abiword Abicollab? Seems !OLPC related? | Oct 17 16:38 | |
| MinceR | do you think it will last? | Oct 17 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw sometimes seems to teach people that replacing Microsoft with Apple is good | Oct 17 16:39 |
| schestowitz | The !Microsoft mentality | Oct 17 16:39 |
| cubevector | hmmm | Oct 17 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Not !proprietary | Oct 17 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw also defends IBM a lot | Oct 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw links to this in the evening: http://dvice.com/archives/2010/10/band-replaces-i.php | Oct 17 16:41 |
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| cubevector | well I was sorry to see Be go | Oct 17 16:41 |
| schestowitz | I just don't see the point | Oct 17 16:41 |
| cubevector | and they were proprietary too | Oct 17 16:41 |
| schestowitz | What does that teach people? | Oct 17 16:41 |
| schestowitz | She posted ~10 links to the Java/IBM story | Oct 17 16:42 |
| schestowitz | But so did we... | Oct 17 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Although our total # of links is like 10 times higher | Oct 17 16:42 |
| cubevector | IBM did make some of the historically important computers | Oct 17 16:42 |
| schestowitz | I want to post ThistleWeb's test vid before midnight | Oct 17 16:42 |
| schestowitz | It's better if content comes from our community | Oct 17 16:42 |
| cubevector | sure | Oct 17 16:42 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, I'll be deleting that test vid after the first proper screencast is ready | Oct 17 16:43 |
| ThistleWeb | it was only a small file to test how it copes with ogv | Oct 17 16:43 |
| cubevector | another example: I liked Commodore | Oct 17 16:43 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467004575463843289453872.html?mod=wsj_share_twitter | Oct 17 16:43 |
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| cubevector | but they were the most open proprietary companies around in their day | Oct 17 16:43 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: no, keep it | Oct 17 16:44 |
| schestowitz | I've already put that in | Oct 17 16:44 |
| schestowitz | With caption | Oct 17 16:44 |
| cubevector | does bliptv host you then? | Oct 17 16:44 |
| cubevector | or do you provide your own? | Oct 17 16:44 |
| ThistleWeb | I got a free account at blip.tv | Oct 17 16:44 |
| ThistleWeb | they do have premium accounts wth more options | Oct 17 16:45 |
| ThistleWeb | they host it | Oct 17 16:45 |
| ThistleWeb | they stream it | Oct 17 16:45 |
| ThistleWeb | I can set up permissions to allow embedding, whatever licenece I want, I'll need to check how to make the default CC | Oct 17 16:45 |
| ThistleWeb | that test vid is creative commons | Oct 17 16:46 |
| cubevector | cool | Oct 17 16:46 |
| ThistleWeb | they do have content restrictions, so it's not a free for all that youtube is | Oct 17 16:47 |
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| ThistleWeb | but mine fits well within what they allow | Oct 17 16:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn "Not all contributors are equal" bullcrap. Shuttleworth has been posting about that too. Very #disturbing. | Oct 17 16:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Excellent blog post, BTW. :) | Oct 17 16:49 | |
| schestowitz | they just serve video files and flash object | Oct 17 16:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Censorship abound in the ##windows chat room (freenode)...Its more Linux in there than Microsoft! Great stuff! !microsoft | Oct 17 16:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] State of !Firefox 4.0 on !GNU + !Linux http://www.tildehash.com/?article=state-of-firefox-4-0-on-gnu-linux | Oct 17 16:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @openbytes Censorship abound in the ##windows chat room (freenode)...Its more Linux in there than Microsoft! Great stuff! !microsoft | Oct 17 16:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fabsh,can you give me URL for @sabdfl saying that "not all developers are equal"? ADVSorryANCE if is obvious; I don't subscribe to his blog | Oct 17 16:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz No clue what this has to do with Fedora vs. Ubuntu. We are talking about Canonical's policies ATM. | Oct 17 16:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm reading about Pano Devices - Strange to me http://ping.fm/w4LZB | Oct 17 16:56 | |
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| schestowitz | "@fabsh @bkuhn !Fedora - !Ubuntu popularity wars are a distraction" | Oct 17 16:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh see @fontana remarks | Oct 17 17:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Oh dear. When IE9 is compared to other browsers, it doesn't seem at quick as !microsoft claim: http://tinyurl.com/23pq8va !ie9 | Oct 17 17:01 | |
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| _Goblin | sorry people....double denting coming up | Oct 17 17:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Oh dear. When IE9 is compared to other browsers, it doesn't seem as quick as !microsoft claim: http://tinyurl.com/23pq8va !ie9 | Oct 17 17:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Here | Oct 17 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Double fun, _Goblin | Oct 17 17:04 |
| schestowitz | From Microsoft Emil, no less... | Oct 17 17:05 |
| schestowitz | http://bloc.eurion.net/archives/2010/debious-a-dubious-debian-packaging-gui/ | Oct 17 17:05 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !ratholeradio @methoddan singing LIVE now! http://ratholeradio.org/live/ | Oct 17 17:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn http://ur1.ca/23jrk "that suggests that the two contributions are equal, when they really are not." | Oct 17 17:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open source investment to increase – survey http://www.siliconrepublic.com/strategy/item/18263 #freesoftware | Oct 17 17:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @iluvpclinuxos Testing PCLinuxOS KDE 4 2010.10 Test ISO. | Oct 17 17:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana @bkuhn http://ur1.ca/23jrk [Shuttleworth:] "that suggests that the two contributions are equal, when they really are not." | Oct 17 17:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Well, he's never said it outright, at least not on his blog. Reading all of his posts definitely give me that gist though.... | Oct 17 17:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn ...stuff like http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/517 | Oct 17 17:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 118542 !gnu !Linux PCs registered in ~week, 40% of which in Poland+Russia http://www.dudalibre.com/gnulinuxcounter | Oct 17 17:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz I am not @fontana. I wasn't talking about Fedora at all. | Oct 17 17:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oracle Asks Founders Of The Documents Foundation To Leave http://ur1.ca/23jue Better description of the situation | Oct 17 17:13 | |
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| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 17 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I wrote some gtk 1.2 s/w | Oct 17 17:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Exactly the quote I had in my head but couldn't find. Thanks! @bkuhn | Oct 17 17:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #libreoffice folks can't blame #openoffice and #scoracle for being hostile. They threaten their jobs/project, it's provocative | Oct 17 17:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh you should use "I am not @fontana" as the title of your autobiography | Oct 17 17:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh yeah, I was referring to this dicussion in general | Oct 17 17:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Haha. SCO/Microsoft hatchet lady Maureen O'Gara is already using #libreoffice spin to attack Office rivals. #sco #pr #openoffice | Oct 17 17:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OpenOffice: we develop OOo; LibreOffice: But... Oracle; OpenOffice: So? LibreOffice: we fork; OpenOffice: so leave LibreOffice: bad Oracle! | Oct 17 17:24 | |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: maybe they want web conferencing | Oct 17 17:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana LOL! Before I do that we should at least meet in person one day. All I know about you is from @bkuhn... ;) | Oct 17 17:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Web browser speed test: Chrome, Firefox, IE9, Opera and Safari head-to-head http://ur1.ca/23jyz Chrome wins again | Oct 17 17:26 | |
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| schestowitz | http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/barbara-billingsley-tvs-june-clever-dead-94/story?id=11901936 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-16/barbara-billingsley-leave-it-to-beaver-sitcom-mom-june-dies-at-age-94.html | Oct 17 17:26 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz People compare. It's the nature of the human condition. That's how our brains work.... | Oct 17 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Canonical Open_Core huh? Pfft! As if this agenda is a surprise, I mean come on. Those who criticized Canonical before got flack, well......? | Oct 17 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ten reasons !GNU !Linux is the best choice for kids http://ur1.ca/23i1b | Oct 17 17:29 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: streaming in real-time | Oct 17 17:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The !KDE Netbook Desktop - Continued http://ur1.ca/23jzq It looks polished; My family loves Plasma | Oct 17 17:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn they won't allow you in the building unless you wear a red #fedora | Oct 17 17:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh true | Oct 17 17:31 | |
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| schestowitz | Hard to find FOSS SOLUTIONS (OOPS. caps accident) | Oct 17 17:31 |
| schestowitz | "I couldn't see this service was advertised much here in Poland" http://identi.ca/conversation/56046911#notice-56531782 | Oct 17 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56047537#notice-56532184 "I have been surprised by how badly Oracle have taken the !LibreOffice fork, almost like they weren't expecting it. Strange" | Oct 17 17:33 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @bkuhn I have to admit, I don't really understand what that means. You mean they won't promise licence perpetuity? Might change it? | Oct 17 17:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Off-The-Record in !kopete r0x. pure and simple. | Oct 17 17:34 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56046911#notice-56532756 "and I can't consider Poland as Windows-free. Contrarily, there're too many Windows' in public administration :(" | Oct 17 17:35 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, scientes | Oct 17 17:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 2003 MICROSOFT MEMO (labeled "highly confidential" in ALL CAPS) says “Linux % of PC installed base” in “Enterprise” 4.20% in Russia | Oct 17 17:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft's estimates of !GNU !Linux market share: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/linux-heat-map.png | Oct 17 17:38 | |
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| schestowitz | "Why? You've accused FOSS-people with less evidence. Why doubt LibreOffice statements now?" http://twitter.com/#!/janstedehouder/status/27667225904 | Oct 17 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | *sigh* | Oct 17 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Jan Stedehouder | Oct 17 17:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Doing !LO show notes.... | Oct 17 17:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mr @mjasay says "I have heard exactly ZERO internal discussion about our embracing Open Core. As in 0 (nada, zilch, rien)" | Oct 17 17:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mjasay I also think the idea of Open Core = VC dream/road to riches overlooks just about all data: biggest "OSS businesses"... | Oct 17 17:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mjasay into Canonical's intentions. I don't think Canonical's history justifies the suspicion //yes, I thought @bkuhn had jumped the gun | Oct 17 17:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56051166#notice-56535489 "is it from 2003, right?" | Oct 17 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | The intelligence Microsoft had in 2003 showed GNU/Linux at well over 1%, except in places like the US http://techrights.org/2010/09/10/us-oriented-operating-system-surveys/ | Oct 17 17:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56051166#notice-56535588 "Document seems quite old though" | Oct 17 17:46 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @schestowitz,Been asking !Canonical for 1.5 yrs why the won't make a promise back. Only logical explanation is they're reserving possibility | Oct 17 17:46 | |
| schestowitz | "are those where what you sell is explicitly NOT code, Open Core or otherwise. I think you may be misreading too much" - @mjasay | Oct 17 17:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn yes, but possibility is not enough to prove intent | Oct 17 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @silner, "promise back" means "CLA &/or CAA promises all versions of codebase will always be made available under !FaiF or copyleft license" | Oct 17 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @lnxwalt280 I think Canonical is looking at a lot of ways to try and earn some money. Doesn't always mean they'll choose it. | Oct 17 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | I can't believe I take Mac Asay's side for a change | Oct 17 17:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Holy craps #Html5 + JQuery Mobile is so awesome. #very #excited - #jquerymobile | Oct 17 17:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] NewsBytes 17th October 2010 – Mono, IE9, Badboy Ballmer & Angry Birds! !microsoft !mono !novell !ie9 !linux !android | Oct 17 18:01 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCHEJynXHDA | Oct 17 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: no URL | Oct 17 18:03 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Oct 17 18:04 |
| _Goblin | doh | Oct 17 18:04 |
| MinceR | NO U! ...RL | Oct 17 18:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 18:04 |
| _Goblin | there done. | Oct 17 18:05 |
| _Goblin | sorry...thats the second dupe dent Ive done today..... | Oct 17 18:05 |
| _Goblin | must be stress. | Oct 17 18:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] NewsBytes 17th October 2010 –Mono,IE9,Badboy Ballmer & Angry Birds! http://tinyurl.com/268tkl3 !microsoft !mono !novell !ie9 !linux !android | Oct 17 18:06 | |
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| _Goblin | btw, if anyone is thinking of seeing Altitude on DVD...forget it...its rubbish. | Oct 17 18:07 |
| _Goblin | Never really had a use for Google Docs myself... | Oct 17 18:09 |
| gnufreex | Ender2070... Sun was working on something like that... now ORacle does.. but it will be propriatary, probably. | Oct 17 18:09 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 17 18:10 |
| Viper550 | My old school, actually had openoffice 3 installed network-wide | Oct 17 18:10 |
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| Viper550 | cause only select labs had Office XP. Everyone else had WordPerfect Office (ugh) or OpenOffice 3 | Oct 17 18:10 |
| scientes | ugggggh | Oct 17 18:13 |
| scientes | hate web-based applications | Oct 17 18:13 |
| Viper550 | I'm trying to start work on a new commercial grade (and no, not open core) forum system, google docs is proving useful | Oct 17 18:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @set0s ♻ @schestowitz: Microsoft's estimates of !GNU !Linux market share: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/linux-hea ... | Oct 17 18:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz Open source investment to increase – survey http://www.siliconrepublic.com/strategy/item/18263 #freesoftware | Oct 17 18:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 17/10/2010: KDE Netbook Desktop, Angry Birds a Real Hit on Linux Phones http://ur1.ca/23kci !techrights | Oct 17 18:21 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: opengoo? | Oct 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | They rename | Oct 17 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | And become more proprietar | Oct 17 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Something like Keng office... | Oct 17 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | Feng | Oct 17 18:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fengoffice.com/web/index.php | Oct 17 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | No longer FOSS at all I see... | Oct 17 18:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/community_index.php "Feng Office Collaboration Platform is Open Source Software. There are many reasons why being this is good. Here you can read more about the benefits of being Open Source. " | Oct 17 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/why-is-open-source.php | Oct 17 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/downloads.php | Oct 17 18:24 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Newsweek Predicts: Microsoft to Oust Ballmer in 2010 http://tinyurl.com/2ap7td3 !microsoft !mvp !mvpbuzz !wp7 - I reckon its mid 2011. | Oct 17 18:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #OpenGoo turned from Free software into fauxpen (proprietary): http://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/downloads.php | Oct 17 18:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] @glynmoody didnt see reply on identica; two projects http://freethepostcode.org/ & OSM, code<->street API http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Nominatim | Oct 17 18:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] TDF and LibO mailing lists in several languages have been set up - more to follow! http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists | Oct 17 18:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] PVR has managed to record loads of stuff today | Oct 17 18:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jamesm/@jamesm] Wondering what happened to foss.my this year | Oct 17 18:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Ive thoroughly enjoying another Linux title (a MMORG) that Ive discovered over the last week. Two great titles coming: www.openbytes.co.cc | Oct 17 18:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] KTorrent 4.0.3 released: http://ktorrent.org/ !kde !bittorrent !p2p !linux !foss | Oct 17 18:41 | |
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| oiaohm | More and more opensource is being hidden under the title community | Oct 17 18:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] "#WebKit has issues. They eventually fixes their bugs, but they leave a trail of tears in the meantime." -- @jeresig at !jQuery #jqcon | Oct 17 18:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Meetings of last week's TDF Steering Comittee meeting are now online: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings | Oct 17 18:51 | |
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| scientes | hate web-based applications | Oct 17 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56050113#notice-56548259 "i dont like the plasma bar in netbook mode :( its unusable overfilled" | Oct 17 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Oct 17 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: gn | Oct 17 18:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] I hate #EC2, with a passion; ec2-register _still_ doesn't let me create an EBS instance even though I'm using the exact documented command. | Oct 17 18:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] RT @x11r5 @evgeni Oh baby you, you got what i will just sit down next2 some1,talk4 about 5 lined up to 11 | Oct 17 19:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !GPL violation reports in HTC G2 !Android phone http://ping.fm/DOKYd /by @rejon | Oct 17 19:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] @carlopiana sadly due in most part to adverts. position for context, internet for image data #android | Oct 17 19:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Yay, @x11r5 has gone even more mad than @insultron | Oct 17 19:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatteron/@themadhatteron] Response to Janis Nixon re the Hamilton Spectator interview #copyright http://bit.ly/a8HP8X | Oct 17 19:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] Just released: Linux Outlaws 169 - Ubuntu-Proof >> http://ur1.ca/23kpn // sorry for the delay getting the show out this week! | Oct 17 19:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Just released: Linux Outlaws 169 - Ubuntu-Proof >> http://ur1.ca/23kpn !lo | Oct 17 19:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Fuck me! I'm buggered now. I don't think I had any free time in a week..... Maybe tomorrow a bit. One can hope... | Oct 17 19:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] #wow http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/74892 who the hell publishes FOSS documentation in .docx & .pdf | Oct 17 19:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I remember why I don't go to #Fedora, it's nothing but elitism and sneering | Oct 17 19:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] ♺ @bruce89: I remember why I don't go to #Fedora, it's nothing but elitism and sneering | Oct 17 19:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] As in the IRC channel, not the distro | Oct 17 19:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. I am dead tired now... | Oct 17 19:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] The cooperate funeral service - just add death #crapadverts | Oct 17 19:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I can't believe I just said that | Oct 17 19:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] Hotboxed my room again and now i'm extremely hungry but there's barely any snacks. Fuuuuu | Oct 17 20:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mako/@mako] Let's not be afraid to redefine what is practical or realistic. That's the only way we'll win. http://ur1.ca/23kz9 | Oct 17 20:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] I should probably watch a movie or something.. I dunno | Oct 17 20:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] ♺ @reality: You should listen to this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCwBMPEnMDI&feature=related | Oct 17 20:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxkernel/@linuxkernel] Linux kernel 2.6.36-rc8-git4 has been released - http://is.gd/eq2yj #linux #kernel | Oct 17 20:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Is this normal css? «.ui-select select { position: absolute; left: -99999px; }» #jquery #dirtyHack | Oct 17 20:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I have covertly inserted a Markov bot in an IRC channel | Oct 17 20:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatteron/@themadhatteron] Intellectual Property Primer - Part One - Trademarks #trademark #ip http://bit.ly/aAiHPx | Oct 17 21:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] The channel had an auto-kick policy, time to move to another one | Oct 17 21:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] GeeXboX Develops The OpenBricks Framework: The developers behind the GeeXboX multi-media Linux distribution have w... http://bit.ly/bEgSfF | Oct 17 21:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] save art! kill lady gaga! | Oct 17 21:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @speeddefrost Oh, she's a hot babe. Kill Justin Bieber, he's an idiot. The woman, no way. ;-) | Oct 17 21:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] @agentsmith kill them both! | Oct 17 21:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] with rakes and pick axes! /cc @reality | Oct 17 21:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Did you know that the world's first e-mail was sent in 1131 to tell someone that they had invented Helvetica bold? | Oct 17 21:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Through an accident involving a typewriter and a time machine, there were no goldfish born in 2001 | Oct 17 22:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I also have no idea what I'm on about, but it'll be the last of this stream of conciousness | Oct 17 22:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Glad to be back at home! Palm Springs was good, but too hectic of a weekend. | Oct 17 22:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] 'Humans will need two Earths by 2030' http://ur1.ca/23lr5 | Oct 17 22:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] !watching One Piece 471 !anime | Oct 17 22:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Falcon punch. It's better than fruit punch. (via @edythemighty) | Oct 17 22:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @laurelrusswurm Where can I find a copy of your book? I'd like to read it. | Oct 17 22:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @andyc Evra - stop broadcasting to the world every week how we have to cut out the silly errors and just do your talking on the pitch ... | Oct 17 22:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @laurelrusswurm Just wondering how C-32 actually prevents me from self publishing and distributing _my own work_, can you explain? | Oct 17 22:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] what's a good way to keep an envelope from smelling? | Oct 17 22:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @reality: Identica - I came for the Freedom, stayed for the awesome. | Oct 17 23:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] I thus take the opportunity to remind my followers in Twitter and Facebook that my account there is *write*only* so join me at identi.ca :) | Oct 17 23:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @freeculture: Hulu selectively prevents Cablevision customers from watching Fox/News Corp content #netneutrality http://is.gd/g58wE | Oct 17 05:03 | |
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| hazzy | LOL | Oct 17 05:05 |
| hazzy | I just read the latest Techrights about VP7 | Oct 17 05:05 |
| hazzy | "Another $400 Million Down the Drain" | Oct 17 05:05 |
| hazzy | Awesome. | Oct 17 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not really. | Oct 17 05:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - Guns N' Roses - Don't Cry" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRIbf6JqkNc&feature=channel | Oct 17 05:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] RT @chicagonpg White Zombie - More Human Than Human http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0E0ynyIUsg | Oct 17 05:10 | |
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| hazzy | From a consumer's point of view, it is | Oct 17 05:10 |
| hazzy | It saves them from having Microsoft leverage a monopoly to control the market | Oct 17 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | well no | Oct 17 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | its giving people jobs | Oct 17 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | jobs that, without gross corporate waste, wouldnt exist | Oct 17 05:11 |
| hazzy | Fine, I'll give you that | Oct 17 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | infact, bill gates is, like, some sort of anti-hero | Oct 17 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | or something | Oct 17 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dunno, I was going somewhere with this, and it got away from me | Oct 17 05:12 |
| hazzy | Well, your point was well made with the jobs | Oct 17 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, but hazzy | Oct 17 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | 10 times more jobs would exist if companies were efficient | Oct 17 05:14 |
| hazzy | Yes, agreed | Oct 17 05:14 |
| hazzy | I see it far too often at my own job | Oct 17 05:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Amazon is Distorting Canadian Patent Law http://ur1.ca/23bnj Mr. Bezos destroys other countries' legal systems with #swpats | Oct 17 05:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - Guns N' Roses Think About You studio Version" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJySi7Z3ZXY&feature=related | Oct 17 05:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] the #fascism world is here | Oct 17 05:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] #africa will survive.......... | Oct 17 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] United Fruit Company 2.0: How #Microsoft is Colonising South America http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/edgi-in-south-american-market/ | Oct 17 05:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] when the humans have destroyed the world. we will awaken | Oct 17 05:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - zouk machine - maldon" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPdrGOFXzGA | Oct 17 06:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Surprisingly, Tcl's switch command feels more capable than the similar C / Java / C++ switch statement. | Oct 17 06:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Unsubstantiated Takeover Rumours http://ur1.ca/23c3e Why Microsoft will not manage to grab yet another Internet giant | Oct 17 06:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] I don't know why this is funny: http://ur1.ca/23c6j | Oct 17 06:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] O'Reilly is Still in Bed with #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/23c6p O'Reilly empowers Microsoft, which is sad | Oct 17 06:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] What"s next in air travel? http://xkcd.com/779/ | Oct 17 07:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crp | Oct 17 08:27 | |
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| *amarsh04 tries mocp for playing audio - lower cpu than even xmms 1.2 | Oct 17 08:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @bigbrovar !Linux should not be about elitism. It's for the people, by the people. Once we become elitist, we're not better than Stev ... | Oct 17 08:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] I've heard !fedora users talking about their automatic wallpaper changer, here's an article about 5 alternatives !linux http://ur1.ca/235d2 | Oct 17 08:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @graziano #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crp | Oct 17 09:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES - Demoscene: Interview with Romeo Knight! http://tinyurl.com/34nn7xd !amiga !demoscene !dtv !redsector !rsi !music !electronica | Oct 17 09:05 | |
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| amarsh04 | quoted on the front page of http://www.groklaw.net/ # I think renaming Echelon to Facebook was possibly the most effective re-branding exercise ever. - Jan Wildeboer, identi.ca | Oct 17 09:06 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Are you a Computer Geek? Take the test http://richs-lxh.com/are-you-a-geek/ | Oct 17 09:07 | |
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| roy__ | amarsh04: yes, I saw that yesterday | Oct 17 09:19 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh Another example of a moving wallpaper: http://ur1.ca/fgt3 http://ur1.ca/fgt3 | Oct 17 09:23 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.gaj-it.com/25879/microsoft-uses-angry-birds-logo-to-promote-windows-phone-7-without-permission/ | Oct 17 09:23 |
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| schestowitz | I could not be too bothered to do articles about this silly product | Oct 17 09:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft's news is all dried up | Oct 17 09:24 |
| schestowitz | Gates has moved on to disrupting other areas | Oct 17 09:24 |
| nenolod | angry birds is such a great game | Oct 17 09:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30779/Goldman_Sachs_Recommends_Microsoft_Split_Off_Xbox_Business.php | Oct 17 09:25 |
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| nenolod | it's like crack | Oct 17 09:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=268169 | Oct 17 09:25 |
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| schestowitz | nenolod: Android too now.. | Oct 17 09:25 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: yes, i have the android version on my phone | Oct 17 09:25 |
| schestowitz | I never played it, but I see it in Android sites a lot | Oct 17 09:25 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: it's great | Oct 17 09:26 |
| nenolod | android is going to win the mobile war over iphone and WP7 | Oct 17 09:26 |
| schestowitz | well, bar lawsuits | Oct 17 09:26 |
| nenolod | because it's out there now | Oct 17 09:26 |
| schestowitz | it also killed LiMo | Oct 17 09:26 |
| nenolod | that's a good thing | Oct 17 09:26 |
| nenolod | limo is crap and closed-source | Oct 17 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Ari moved from Maemo to WebOS, but it's stilla struggle | Oct 17 09:26 |
| schestowitz | people think they need 100k apps to use a phone | Oct 17 09:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] noffice #libreoffice | Oct 17 09:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave - http://bit.ly/aiwjYc never a dull moment these days #openoffice #libreoffice | Oct 17 09:27 | |
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| schestowitz | wasn't limo+lips LSB? | Oct 17 09:27 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 09:27 |
| schestowitz | The Emblaze+ELSE thing is all patents | Oct 17 09:27 |
| schestowitz | They even sued Microsoft and Apple | Oct 17 09:27 |
| nenolod | meego is the officially blessed one | Oct 17 09:27 |
| schestowitz | yes | Oct 17 09:28 |
| schestowitz | LSB | Oct 17 09:28 |
| nenolod | but android is probably going to win | Oct 17 09:28 |
| nenolod | it's out there now | Oct 17 09:28 |
| nenolod | WP7 came too late | Oct 17 09:28 |
| nenolod | you can get 100x more different kinds of android phones vs 1 iphone | Oct 17 09:28 |
| schestowitz | the news is flooded with it | Oct 17 09:28 |
| schestowitz | I just did a slice view | Oct 17 09:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Nice :) I'm trying to find a lightweight !debian compatible non-gnome wallpaper changer for my !openbox desktop. | Oct 17 09:28 | |
| schestowitz | 200 clusters of headlines in 3 weeks | Oct 17 09:28 |
| schestowitz | Puff pieces galore | Oct 17 09:29 |
| schestowitz | $400ml/200=$2ml | Oct 17 09:29 |
| nenolod | WP7 has a lot of interesting design concepts though | Oct 17 09:30 |
| nenolod | but like i said | Oct 17 09:30 |
| nenolod | they delivered too late | Oct 17 09:30 |
| nenolod | and they made the same mistakes apple made | Oct 17 09:31 |
| nenolod | it's a walled garden, and consumers don't like that - infact, consumers are becoming more and more aware of why software freedom matters | Oct 17 09:31 |
| nenolod | although android isn't really free | Oct 17 09:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh I believe this wallpaper uses some XML to change the wallpaper look according to the time. I looked into .deb pkg | Oct 17 09:32 | |
| nenolod | vendors lock it down - but - honestly if google went GPLv3 with it, i don't know if anyone would have bought into android | Oct 17 09:32 |
| nenolod | we will have to see how meego goes | Oct 17 09:32 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Actually, !crunchbang uses Nitrogen. I could just run a timed/cron script to change it randomly. | Oct 17 09:37 | |
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| roy_ | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/224147.asp | Oct 17 09:38 |
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| *roy_ is now known as schestowitz | Oct 17 09:38 | |
| schestowitz | nenolod: it remains to be seen what Elop does with MeeGo | Oct 17 09:38 |
| schestowitz | http://techfreqnews.com/?p=571 http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2010-10-11-report-microsoft-to-close-in-game-ads-dept-massive | Oct 17 09:39 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia and Microsoft are shrinking | Oct 17 09:39 |
| schestowitz | Intel is growing again | Oct 17 09:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=269039 | Oct 17 09:40 |
| nenolod | intel are patent trolls though | Oct 17 09:40 |
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| schestowitz | nenolod: they are worse than that | Oct 17 09:40 |
| schestowitz | They bribe, they attack rivals like OLPC, they funded SCO, etc. | Oct 17 09:40 |
| schestowitz | But I don't think they are the real enemy to s/w freedom | Oct 17 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Intel is just selling hardware, it doesn't care so much about DRM and whether s/w as free | Oct 17 09:41 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news-story/2010/10/13/microsoft-admits-there-has-been-exceptional-d | Oct 17 09:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Admits" | Oct 17 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Bought site | Oct 17 09:42 |
| schestowitz | John "admits" he is wonderful | Oct 17 09:43 |
| amarsh04 | so why didn't intel buy PowerVR and open up the GMA500 graphics, or drop PowerVR from later chipsets | Oct 17 09:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe in some cases, just like GPU makers, the souce code reveals some h/w-s/w interaction they would give away | Oct 17 09:44 |
| schestowitz | People no longer just buy just a ploygon making wafer | Oct 17 09:44 |
| schestowitz | And I heard from an informant in Intel about some projects they have for making the two sides tighter | Oct 17 09:45 |
| schestowitz | But it's sort of NDAed | Oct 17 09:45 |
| amarsh04 | I'd still like to buy a fully open portable pc - haven't found anyone in .au willing to provide warranty support for the lemote machines | Oct 17 09:46 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: Number 1 PowerVR is not up for sale | Oct 17 09:46 |
| oiaohm | So intel cannot buy them. | Oct 17 09:46 |
| schestowitz | They could 'pull an Icahn' | Oct 17 09:46 |
| amarsh04 | some discussion on the state of linux audio at http://www.sintel.org/news/greetings-from-the-audio-trenches/ | Oct 17 09:46 |
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| schestowitz | But that's Microsoft's repertoire | Oct 17 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Only option is pull the chain and the question is does PowerVR have a contract for so many video cards. | Oct 17 09:47 |
| oiaohm | Ie intel might be trapped with the PowerVR mistake. | Oct 17 09:47 |
| oiaohm | But PowerVR was ment to provide working Linux drivers. | Oct 17 09:47 |
| oiaohm | So in theory Intel could walk away from the contract for PowerVR not holding up there end. | Oct 17 09:47 |
| amarsh04 | I | Oct 17 09:48 |
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| amarsh04 | I'd like the South Australian government to prove that they're not beholden to microsoft by fixing things that are broken due to reliance on microsoft (like the email system serving the state government) | Oct 17 09:49 |
| oiaohm | sintel movie caused the audio guy some complexity. amarsh04 | Oct 17 09:51 |
| oiaohm | The rule of the movie no closed source programs could be used. amarsh04 | Oct 17 09:51 |
| oiaohm | No matter how much you liked them. | Oct 17 09:51 |
| oiaohm | Yes next movie hopefully audio as well. | Oct 17 09:55 |
| schestowitz | the comments talk about Linux | Oct 17 09:57 |
| schestowitz | It does seem like some FOSS was used for audio too..? | Oct 17 09:58 |
| schestowitz | http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshowpics/6640651.cms | Oct 17 09:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sony Move, Microsoft Kinect play catch up - Pictures - Pictures/Videos - News in Pictures | Economic Times .::. Size~: 38.92 KB | Oct 17 09:58 |
| schestowitz | European Commission Sues UK Over Phorm :) | Oct 17 09:59 |
| schestowitz | Can one sell out in presales? :-) | Oct 17 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Wow. The press is being misguided willingly? | Oct 17 10:01 |
| schestowitz | They are selling out what's not even in stock? | Oct 17 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Or what does not even exist? | Oct 17 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Silly me, I thought something needs to be sold in order for it to be sold out (over quantity) | Oct 17 10:03 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how much marketi^H^H money is spent on this Kinect thing... | Oct 17 10:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Duncan McGreggor: Multi-touch and Qt http://goo.gl/XN8p | Oct 17 10:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft struggles with mobile.. no modularity.. | Oct 17 10:04 |
| schestowitz | http://vista.blorge.com/2010/09/30/no-windows-7-tablets-for-a-year-if-ever/ | Oct 17 10:04 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Duncan McGreggor: The Growing Linux Multi-touch Community http://goo.gl/78ke | Oct 17 10:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @toros Duncan McGreggor: Multi-touch and Qt http://goo.gl/XN8p | Oct 17 10:07 | |
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| schestowitz | The booster started an account... http://twitter.com/mariusoiaga | Oct 17 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | :-/ | Oct 17 10:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @toros Duncan McGreggor: The Growing Linux Multi-touch Community http://goo.gl/78ke > !Linux at the forefront of mobility | Oct 17 10:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @ksaver “YouTube - Pinguy OS”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuQU8YFkG0w !Linux #Distros | Oct 17 10:12 | |
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| schestowitz | It's been 11 days since the Qt announcement of new gesture support, and I wanted to blog about it right away... but alas, now will have to do. The folks at Qt have been working on multi-touch support for a while now. They blogged about gestures, multi-touch, Mac support, Windows support, and then at UDS in Brussels (May 2010), they shared their 4.8 plans for multi-touch with the Ubuntu community. | Oct 17 10:13 |
| schestowitz | Until recently, there has been no MT stack for Linux. The great news is that the folks at Qt are very interested in getting Qt to work with uTouch. Stephen Bregma has been working on the GEIS API that toolkits will have the option of taking advantage of, and we were delighted to hear from Zeno and Denis that the Qt API they have envisioned and planned is very similar to GEIS, and should make for an excellent match. They are going to be | Oct 17 10:13 |
| schestowitz | talking with the community about this at UDS two weeks from now, in fact :-) | Oct 17 10:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz United Fruit Company 2.0: How #Microsoft is Colonising South America http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/edgi-in-south-amer ... | Oct 17 10:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Phew ! just got chrome2phone and android2cloud working again on chromium and the !nexusone !android #froyo | Oct 17 10:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Want to join our first marketing phone conference? Vote when it should take place! http://www.doodle.com/uiidvmmxcp53r4xs | Oct 17 10:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] I'm at N 44.99137 E 23.11756, travelling from Motru to Târgu-Jiu by car. Hardly any mobile phone connection around here... | Oct 17 10:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz O'Reilly is Still in Bed with #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/23c6p O'Reilly empowers Microsoft, which is sad | Oct 17 10:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Nick Mason on the radio, good quote talking about well known tribute band "They have managed to learn every mistake we ever made" | Oct 17 10:28 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 17 10:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft claims Internet Explorer 9 was downloaded 6m times last month. Doesn't Firefox get that like two days? | Oct 17 10:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: I quite often read your TR posts before there are any comments and miss them,could you do a comments rss or similar service? | Oct 17 10:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dying Internet Explorer Dips Below 50% Global Market Share http://ur1.ca/23dy6 sample set in doubt, but trend matters | Oct 17 10:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dying Internet Explorer Dips Below 50% Global Market Share (MSFT, GOOG, AAPL) .::. Size~: 107.95 KB | Oct 17 10:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I've decided to take a glimpse at Microsoft news for the first time in 3 weeks... today cause it's Sunday. Wow. MSFT is off the news chart. | Oct 17 10:40 | |
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| gnufreex | Oracle is kicking out LibreOfficers from OOo comunity council http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/10/17/0210209/Oracle-Asks-OpenOffice-Community-Members-To-Leave | Oct 17 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: I know since yesterday | Oct 17 10:41 |
| schestowitz | We had it in IRC | Oct 17 10:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Last Week's Top Posts (Week 41, 2010) http://bit.ly/9HpDEk | Oct 17 10:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Simple Rhythmbox Plugins: Save Cover In Mp3 Metadata, Save Existing Cover in Mp3 Folder And More http://bit.ly/cWJbFS | Oct 17 10:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera subscribe to http://techrights.org/comments/feed/ and thanks for the support! | Oct 17 10:42 | |
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| gnufreex | I guess I missed it. | Oct 17 10:42 |
| schestowitz | Most did | Oct 17 10:42 |
| schestowitz | I got it from libreoffice identica feeds | Oct 17 10:42 |
| gnufreex | It looks like some bloke said it on IRC, nothing official. | Oct 17 10:43 |
| gnufreex | They should play dumb and wait until they get kicked. | Oct 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | I know | Oct 17 10:43 |
| gnufreex | Make Oracle look bad. | Oct 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | That's why I made no post about it | Oct 17 10:43 |
| schestowitz | But also, it's like OpenSolaris | Oct 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Oracle plays mind games | Oct 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Mind you: | Oct 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Libreoffice has agenda | Oct 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Charles et al | Oct 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | So they want to tell the OOo community to leave | Oct 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | And to join them rather than "evil Oracle" | Oct 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | No official article | Oct 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | /. links to some wiki page | Oct 17 10:44 |
| schestowitz | I couldn't verify much | Oct 17 10:45 |
| gnufreex | It is IRC log. | Oct 17 10:45 |
| schestowitz | i have friends in the OOo community | Oct 17 10:45 |
| schestowitz | One of them vanished, another is worried | Oct 17 10:45 |
| gnufreex | I think Novell is making trouble, I don't trust this LibreOffice thingie. | Oct 17 10:45 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: which reminds me, tomorrow when I set up a new router I can catch up with out IRC logs too and published *those8 | Oct 17 10:46 |
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| schestowitz | The trolls will surely mine them for any comma or oddity | Oct 17 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Looking to throw dirt and feed Techrights with more attention by attacking it | Oct 17 10:46 |
| gnufreex | Let them come :-) | Oct 17 10:46 |
| schestowitz | They don't know that the worst one can do is just ignore | Oct 17 10:46 |
| lightpriest_ | just for the heck of it, I tested Acid2 on a pretty old Nokia device | Oct 17 10:46 |
| lightpriest_ | http://picasaweb.google.com/or.cohen007/InterestingStuff#5528941064741370546 | Oct 17 10:47 |
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| schestowitz | SCO ignored Groklaw | Oct 17 10:47 |
| gnufreex | I think LibreOffice is just Go-oo renamed. | Oct 17 10:47 |
| lightpriest_ | while it doesn't look that good. it looks a better then winphone7 | Oct 17 10:47 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: to a degree | Oct 17 10:48 |
| schestowitz | lightpriest_: the trolls were on it.. | Oct 17 10:48 |
| schestowitz | LiMo troll | Oct 17 10:48 |
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| lightpriest_ | what trolls? | Oct 17 10:49 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/#!/stonemirror/status/27606013438 | Oct 17 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/#!/stonemirror/status/27593069159 | Oct 17 10:49 |
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| gnufreex | Who is LiMo troll? Is that a new one? | Oct 17 10:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | lefty maybe? | Oct 17 10:49 |
| gnufreex | Oh, right. | Oct 17 10:49 |
| schestowitz | I blocked this troll in identica | Oct 17 10:50 |
| schestowitz | He nick-spams me | Oct 17 10:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh wait, you just linked to david schlesinger aka lefty | Oct 17 10:50 |
| schestowitz | I rarely do | Oct 17 10:50 |
| schestowitz | He's miserable | Oct 17 10:50 |
| schestowitz | He just harasses all day long now that he's a trollish bum | Oct 17 10:51 |
| gnufreex | Lol | Oct 17 10:52 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Did you read ubuntu forums thread I linked yesterday? I wanted to puke affter reading it. | Oct 17 10:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.slaw.ca/2010/10/15/canadian-copyright-book-released-in-print-and-online/ | Oct 17 10:53 |
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| gnufreex | Didn't see that much M$$$ shilling for long time. | Oct 17 10:53 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: i didn't get the chance to descend to the forums | Oct 17 10:53 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: it's OK, it means it grow | Oct 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: it's OK, it means it grows | Oct 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu Forums that is | Oct 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | So it becomes a vacation place for trolls | Oct 17 10:54 |
| gnufreex | That is bad. It is like saying MS fourms grow, so it is good. | Oct 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | it would be worse if it simply got ignored | Oct 17 10:54 |
| gnufreex | UF is literaly overtaken by trolls | Oct 17 10:54 |
| gnufreex | They are not trolls, now Linux peop | Oct 17 10:54 |
| gnufreex | le | Oct 17 10:54 |
| gnufreex | Are trolls | Oct 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | many ubuntu users are reforms Windows users | Oct 17 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Today I got a nice E-mail from someone who moved to Ubuntu with a whole movement | Oct 17 10:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Brazil Should Lead on Access to Essential Medicines - http://huff.to/c8Ox9z great analysis of drug patents (via @DaHammerstein) #patents | Oct 17 10:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: Subscribed and thanks for keeping us all up to date. | Oct 17 10:55 | |
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| schestowitz | Heard of him through y cousin | Oct 17 10:55 |
| schestowitz | She's an activist | Oct 17 10:55 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: but they look for impressionable people on the fence in UF | Oct 17 10:56 |
| schestowitz | To cause unertainty | Oct 17 10:56 |
| schestowitz | "Flash didn't work? Why not go back to Windows under Linux is ReadyForTheDesktop(TM)?" | Oct 17 10:56 |
| lightpriest_ | http://twitter.com/#!/orpriest/status/27624393633 | Oct 17 10:56 |
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| MinceR | does canonical control UF? | Oct 17 11:02 |
| gnufreex | Don't know. Maybe. | Oct 17 11:02 |
| MinceR | perhaps the ubuntu hype should be counteracted and new users should be directed towards other distro(s) -- so that canonical's acquiescence of m$ apologist trolls will have less of an effect | Oct 17 11:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rcweir Presentations on #ODF to Braille and ODF to EPub. This portion of the #ODFPlugfest is focusing on converters. | Oct 17 11:03 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it does | Oct 17 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Not Kubuntu-forums | Oct 17 11:04 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Oct 17 11:04 |
| MinceR | perhaps they don't care about bug #1 anymore, only money | Oct 17 11:04 |
| gnufreex | I saw some similariries between Shuttleworth's blog posts and some trolls. But maybe it just looks that way. | Oct 17 11:04 |
| MinceR | pushing mono and bìng seems to point to that | Oct 17 11:05 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/#!/leeschlesinger is no longer with sourceforge | Oct 17 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | Layoffs? | Oct 17 11:06 |
| gnufreex | I read some ex FSF paid hackers saying they went to Canonical on job inteview, and decided not to take the job. | Oct 17 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Geeknet I mean | Oct 17 11:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: money bugs him | Oct 17 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Realy I hope to get to messing with systemd configuration tools this week. | Oct 17 11:06 |
| oiaohm | I have a little plan. | Oct 17 11:06 |
| oiaohm | My goal if I pull it off is a boot up option will allow the complete system to be reconfigured basically from nothing. | Oct 17 11:07 |
| schestowitz | http://oti.newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_of_cell_phone_plans_and_prices | Oct 17 11:17 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #WTF ♺ @schestowitz: RT @graziano #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crp | Oct 17 11:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Case of Saeed Malekpour: Web Developer Jailed Since 2008, facing death penalty for someone using his code http://ur1.ca/23e7v | Oct 17 11:18 | |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/27558241964 "Yesterday the #FSFE published false claims, saying that licensing patents from 3rd parties is incompatible with all key FOSS licenses #liars" | Oct 17 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | The mobbyists sidle with BSA | Oct 17 11:19 |
| gnufreex | I linked that... | Oct 17 11:19 |
| gnufreex | He is so obvious troll... I wonder why LWN don't kick him out. | Oct 17 11:20 |
| schestowitz | More Microsoft promotion from the mobbyist: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/27610530831 | Oct 17 11:21 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] And now time for cooking a good #risotto | Oct 17 11:22 | |
| gnufreex | Who is that nymtsh | Oct 17 11:22 |
| gnufreex | NY times? | Oct 17 11:22 |
| gnufreex | They are mobbyists? | Oct 17 11:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] After having installed #Opera mini and FireFox on my #Desire. Good to have alternatives and all have good features. | Oct 17 11:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @tracyrreed I am now a CAcert Assurer. http://cacert.org > the generous man behind !techrights hosting | Oct 17 11:23 | |
| schestowitz | No, the mobbyists RTs thewm | Oct 17 11:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Welcome to CAcert.org .::. Size~: 18.9 KB | Oct 17 11:23 |
| schestowitz | No, the mobbyist RTs them | Oct 17 11:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Currently looking at android phones now, do you recommend the nexusone or is it missing a feature you'd like? | Oct 17 11:27 | |
| oiaohm | Boy the Oracle boys don't get it with libreoffice. schestowitz | Oct 17 11:35 |
| oiaohm | Redhat SUSE Debian Ubuntu Fedora. That I know of have been shipping go-oo labeled as Openoffice for a long time. | Oct 17 11:36 |
| oiaohm | Now they will ship labeled as libreoffice this is more than a major crack in the OpenOffice world. | Oct 17 11:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] suggestion: a preprint archive for clinical trials - http://bit.ly/c1PviT "should ideally provide the main results as downloadable datasets" | Oct 17 11:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: In which I suggest a preprint archive for clinical trials | Gobbledygook .::. Size~: 38.27 KB | Oct 17 11:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] rumo a Salvador, BA, para http://www.eticahacker.faced.ufba.br/ | Oct 17 11:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] in praise of copying - http://bit.ly/auab5F "I argue that copying is a fundamental part of being"; free PDF of book #copying | Oct 17 11:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 17 11:49 |
| schestowitz | [11:36] <oiaohm> Now they will ship labeled as libreoffice this is more than a major crack in the OpenOffice world. | Oct 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Not a big deal | Oct 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | But... | Oct 17 12:00 |
| schestowitz | What do they call Writer? | Oct 17 12:01 |
| schestowitz | And Presenter.. | Oct 17 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Aren't these also TMs? | Oct 17 12:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant TM simple words like that | Oct 17 12:01 |
| schestowitz | You can | Oct 17 12:01 |
| schestowitz | There's worse | Oct 17 12:01 |
| gnufreex | Windows is trademark | Oct 17 12:01 |
| gnufreex | Office too | Oct 17 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Mac | Oct 17 12:02 |
| gnufreex | that too | Oct 17 12:02 |
| gnufreex | And bob | Oct 17 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Hey. I'm BOB!!! | Oct 17 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Bob & Bob to file class action vs MSFT Corp. | Oct 17 12:02 |
| gnufreex | I think that would happen if Bob made any sucess... | Oct 17 12:03 |
| gnufreex | I wish it did. It would make a laugh. | Oct 17 12:03 |
| gnufreex | All Bobs of the world sue Microsoft | Oct 17 12:03 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-and-Oracle-Prepare-Massive-Security-Updates-for-Tuesday-160179.shtml | Oct 17 12:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft and Oracle Prepare Massive Security Updates for Tuesday - Softpedia .::. Size~: 46.11 KB | Oct 17 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft also owns MikeRowe | Oct 17 12:04 |
| schestowitz | And Lindows | Oct 17 12:04 |
| gnufreex | MikeRowe...lol | Oct 17 12:05 |
| gnufreex | I know about Lindows | Oct 17 12:05 |
| gnufreex | Those idiots could invalidate Windows trademark | Oct 17 12:05 |
| gnufreex | And they sold out. | Oct 17 12:05 |
| gnufreex | For 20 milion | Oct 17 12:05 |
| schestowitz | WHo would want to fake Windows? | Oct 17 12:05 |
| schestowitz | It's a crappy TM | Oct 17 12:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | [07:01:28] <gnufreex> Windows is trademark | Oct 17 12:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Oct 17 12:06 |
| schestowitz | The "Windows" cruiser | Oct 17 12:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Microsoft Windows is. | Oct 17 12:06 |
| schestowitz | Would you buy it? | Oct 17 12:06 |
| gnufreex | It is good for pissing off Microsoft. | Oct 17 12:06 |
| MinceR | m$ also attacked "Windows Commander" | Oct 17 12:06 |
| gnufreex | Call your stuff Windblows | Oct 17 12:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Uk I hear 13xdosh lost in tax fraud than benefit fraud, all we hear is benefit fraud, bad. BTW taking responsibility for my own data !fs | Oct 17 12:08 | |
| schestowitz | Twitter; "Sorry! You've hit your hourly usage limit. Try again soon." | Oct 17 12:10 |
| schestowitz | What? | Oct 17 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Is this a new upselling thing/ | Oct 17 12:10 |
| gnufreex | lol, they made hour limit? | Oct 17 12:10 |
| schestowitz | they give error pages | Oct 17 12:10 |
| schestowitz | So one needs to wait | Oct 17 12:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Loading Tweets seems to be taking a while. | Oct 17 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information. | Oct 17 12:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 12:11 |
| schestowitz | no problema, I'll ditch them | Oct 17 12:11 |
| schestowitz | I onlt joined twitter after I had joined identica cause some people I know didn't use identica | Oct 17 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Identica is ahead in every way | Oct 17 12:12 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Makes-Hotmail-Password-Recovery-Safer-158346.shtml | Oct 17 12:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Makes Hotmail Password Recovery Safer - Softpedia .::. Size~: 45.42 KB | Oct 17 12:13 |
| schestowitz | For the forgetful types | Oct 17 12:13 |
| schestowitz | "In Korea, only old people use Hotmail" | Oct 17 12:13 |
| schestowitz | Only Seniles buy a Zune | Oct 17 12:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/good-riddance-oracle-now-can-libreoffice-make-a-difference/39768 | Oct 17 12:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Good riddance Oracle! Now can LibreOffice make a difference? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 130.35 KB | Oct 17 12:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @front243 IE6 simulator that works on !linux http://is.gd/g5oSB | Oct 17 12:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Russian tiger summit offers 'last chance' to save species in the wild - http://bit.ly/c6lxO3 say goodbye to an iconic animal #conservation | Oct 17 12:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ie6 .::. Size~: 1.94 KB | Oct 17 12:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Russian tiger summit offers 'last chance' to save species in the wild | Environment | The Observer .::. Size~: 86.13 KB | Oct 17 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Writer and Presenter cannot be modernday TM. schestowitz | Oct 17 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Why not? | Oct 17 12:15 |
| schestowitz | I know they should not | Oct 17 12:15 |
| schestowitz | But look at existing TMs | Oct 17 12:15 |
| oiaohm | Prior confliting trademarks. | Oct 17 12:16 |
| oiaohm | So no one can own them. | Oct 17 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Same with Calc. | Oct 17 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Base is also safe. | Oct 17 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Only one they have to watch out for is Impress | Oct 17 12:17 |
| oiaohm | I don't know of any trademark conflits there. | Oct 17 12:17 |
| schestowitz | http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20019601-263.html | Oct 17 12:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Excel documents not opening after Office update | MacFixIt - CNET Reviews .::. Size~: 76 KB | Oct 17 12:17 |
| oiaohm | But Impress could be renamed Presenter without major issues. | Oct 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | What can this be? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/announcement-from-microsoft-office-division-2010-10-15?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Oct 17 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Announcement From Microsoft Office Division - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 63.95 KB | Oct 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rttnews.com/Content/TopStories.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1434794 | Oct 17 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Elevates Kurt DelBene As President Of Office Division .::. Size~: 69.93 KB | Oct 17 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Is that the announcement schestowitz? | Oct 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | no | Oct 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | that's the thing, they already made a big announcement | Oct 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | maybe some hype attempt | Oct 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | A fog compouting thing | Oct 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | I notice now | Oct 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | In 3 weeks... | Oct 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Only 4 headlines with "azure" in them | Oct 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | The thing failed badly | Oct 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | No market demand | Oct 17 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Could be another round of facebook intergration or another attack on openoffice. | Oct 17 12:21 |
| schestowitz | One exception: http://www.onwindows.com/Articles/Microsoft-Descartes-use-Azure-cloud/5343/Default.aspx | Oct 17 12:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft, Descartes use Azure cloud | Microsoft News | OnWindows.com .::. Size~: 43.62 KB | Oct 17 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Even that last week facebook was glitching to hell. | Oct 17 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Shocking would be MS Office on android or something out strange. | Oct 17 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Hang on we are missing the announcement. | Oct 17 12:22 |
| oiaohm | I almost bet it will be a windows mobile 7 MS office intergration demo. | Oct 17 12:22 |
| oiaohm | That platform needs saving. | Oct 17 12:23 |
| schestowitz | And this fluff: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/12/2302985/microsoft-research-makes-microsoft.html | Oct 17 12:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Research Makes Microsoft Biology Foundation and MODISAzure-Based Environmental Service Available to Scientists and Researchers - KansasCity.com .::. Size~: 85.72 KB | Oct 17 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like the "labs" PR | Oct 17 12:23 |
| schestowitz | scientists love FOSS | Oct 17 12:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah | Oct 17 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Office for TurdMobile7 | Oct 17 12:24 |
| oiaohm | After every windows mobile release there has been one. | Oct 17 12:24 |
| oiaohm | So far we have not had that demo. | Oct 17 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Yes dating back to 1996 | Oct 17 12:25 |
| oiaohm | If it don't happen TurdMobile 7 is dead. | Oct 17 12:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Last year Microsoft opened a store. It then opened few more, spreading viral videos. Months ago -> radio silence. http://ur1.ca/23epm | Oct 17 12:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Microsoft Store&.Epic Fail or the next big tech-thing? — The Gadgeteer .::. Size~: 63.69 KB | Oct 17 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Really I wonder how long before google opens a store. | Oct 17 12:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft -- like Yahoo -- no longer knows what it is. Software, services, hardware, games? It fails at almost all things, exc. cash cows. | Oct 17 12:28 | |
| *Jellykernel (52febfe4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.254.191.228) has joined #techrights | Oct 17 12:29 | |
| Jellykernel | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/10/microsoft-posts-video-of-customers-criticizing-openoffice.ars | Oct 17 12:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice .::. Size~: 31.26 KB | Oct 17 12:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Poor @timoreilly needs Microsoft to help him make money. http://ur1.ca/23erb | Oct 17 12:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Now For Sale On Apples iBookstore: Microsoft Press, OReilly Media Books .::. Size~: 47.31 KB | Oct 17 12:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Open+Source+Code+is+Too+Expensive+Harms+Students+Grades/article19902.htm | Oct 17 12:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: | Oct 17 12:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DailyTech - Microsoft: Open Source Code is Too Expensive, Harms Students' Grades .::. Size~: 558.83 KB | Oct 17 12:31 |
| schestowitz | I bet you saw them all | Oct 17 12:31 |
| schestowitz | I put lots in Daily Links | Oct 17 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Gold mine | Oct 17 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft ->open source | Oct 17 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Yes I saw that. schestowitz | Oct 17 12:32 |
| oiaohm | I was asking if mabye some time should techrights run a competition for a open source marketing videos. | Oct 17 12:32 |
| schestowitz | I hate marketing | Oct 17 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft has choosen Youtube a costless site at the battle ground. | Oct 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | When I see nice videos I make Ogg and post | Oct 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | But I produce no ads | Oct 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: since years ago | Oct 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Novell does too | Oct 17 12:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microoft loves open source http://ur1.ca/23esl Wait, WHAT? | Oct 17 12:33 | |
| schestowitz | Soapbox is dead | Oct 17 12:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DailyTech - Microsoft: Open Source Code is Too Expensive, Harms Students' Grades .::. Size~: 558.76 KB | Oct 17 12:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/student-journalist-openly-rebuffed-by-steve-jobs-wins-microsoft-20101015/ | Oct 17 12:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Student journalist openly rebuffed by Steve Jobs wins Microsoft Twitter contest – Cell Phones & Mobile Device Technology News & Updates | Geek.com .::. Size~: 58.19 KB | Oct 17 12:35 |
| schestowitz | http://gigaom.com/2010/10/12/linux-starts-to-eat-microsofts-lunch-in-servers/ | Oct 17 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Starts to Eat Microsofts Lunch in Servers: Tech News « .::. Size~: 68.21 KB | Oct 17 12:36 |
| oiaohm | That will get worse | Oct 17 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Way worse. | Oct 17 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Samba has not release ADS support yet and openchange has not released exchange emulation yet. | Oct 17 12:38 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101006005914/en/Wipro-Partners-Citrix-Microsoft-Deliver-Desktop-Service | Oct 17 12:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Wipro Partners with Citrix and Microsoft to Deliver Desktop as a Service Solution | Business Wire .::. Size~: 74.84 KB | Oct 17 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Wipro is a Microsoft ally too | Oct 17 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Yes. But its also reducing licensing costs. | Oct 17 12:39 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Likewise fights Samba | Oct 17 12:39 |
| oiaohm | So reducing MS income. | Oct 17 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Adding Microsoft patent tax to it | Oct 17 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Like Android tax | Oct 17 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Likewise does not provide ADS server. | Oct 17 12:39 |
| oiaohm | instead just provides ADS intergration. | Oct 17 12:39 |
| schestowitz | "The Wipro DaaS solution is based on Citrix XenDesktop® and leverages Citrix FlexCast™ delivery technology to provide multiple types of virtual desktops – hosted or local, physical or virtual – each specifically tailored to meet the performance, security and flexibility requirements of each individual user. " | Oct 17 12:39 |
| oiaohm | Yes likewise produces can link to a Samba 4 ADS server. | Oct 17 12:40 |
| schestowitz | No Linux | Oct 17 12:40 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: when citrix bought xen they renamed all their shit to XenThis, XenThat | Oct 17 12:40 |
| schestowitz | I know | Oct 17 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | XenVibrator | Oct 17 12:40 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: that's just the old citrix metaframe crap | Oct 17 12:40 |
| schestowitz | They still do thin Windows clients | Oct 17 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | for all your being fucked in the ass by microsoft needs | Oct 17 12:40 |
| schestowitz | or remote access | Oct 17 12:40 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: your virtual machine is Xen, you know | Oct 17 12:41 |
| nenolod | and well, KVM simply doesn't scale | Oct 17 12:41 |
| nenolod | oh well, i tried it | Oct 17 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: I just hate citrix | Oct 17 12:41 |
| MinceR | citrix should buy xenix, then they could release it as XenIx | Oct 17 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: FFFFFFF | Oct 17 12:41 |
| schestowitz | Citrix should try to service Linux more | Oct 17 12:41 |
| schestowitz | It gave up, I think | Oct 17 12:41 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat put KVM in Linux ~2.6.34 | Oct 17 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: Citrix is Microsoft. | Oct 17 12:41 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: .24 | Oct 17 12:42 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: KVM is garbage though | Oct 17 12:42 |
| schestowitz | .24 was ages ago | Oct 17 12:42 |
| nenolod | 04:41:45 up 145 days, 11:43, 1 user, load average: 18.65, 18.20, 17.76 | Oct 17 12:42 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: KVM not scale what is the issue. | Oct 17 12:42 |
| nenolod | ^ kvm box | Oct 17 12:42 |
| schestowitz | techrights run on a xen instance | Oct 17 12:42 |
| nenolod | it's called "QEMU is crap" | Oct 17 12:42 |
| schestowitz | For now.. | Oct 17 12:42 |
| schestowitz | The new centos is all kvm | Oct 17 12:43 |
| nenolod | xen itself isn't the problem | Oct 17 12:43 |
| nenolod | just stay away from citrix xen | Oct 17 12:43 |
| nenolod | and you're good | Oct 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | had uptime of 100+ days till last week | Oct 17 12:43 |
| nenolod | yes, that's because redhat has put their money on kvm | Oct 17 12:43 |
| nenolod | which is crazy | Oct 17 12:43 |
| MinceR | is anyone other than citrix maintaining a fork of it? | Oct 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | The hard-drive needed replacing | Oct 17 12:43 |
| MinceR | xen, that is | Oct 17 12:43 |
| oiaohm | I have not had a problem with KVM scaling. nenolod | Oct 17 12:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: you dont have like 100 thousand customers like neno does | Oct 17 12:43 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: that box has 20 VMs running on it. | Oct 17 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Xen was a FOSS success story in 2006/7 | Oct 17 12:44 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: it has less VMs than it has cores available. | Oct 17 12:44 |
| schestowitz | It was too good | Oct 17 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft had to have it | Oct 17 12:44 |
| nenolod | microsoft does not have it | Oct 17 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Then there were rumours about Microsoft buying it | Oct 17 12:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/67126 | Oct 17 12:45 |
| oiaohm | I have had upto 30 on a box. nenolod | Oct 17 12:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft, Citrix and Wipro partner to outsource virtual desktops | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 95.84 KB | Oct 17 12:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 12:45 |
| schestowitz | Back to Microsoft Subnet | Oct 17 12:45 |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft Update | Oct 17 12:45 |
| schestowitz | by Julie Bort | Oct 17 12:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 17 12:45 |
| nenolod | don't care | Oct 17 12:45 |
| oiaohm | There are a few things but. Number 1 not running windows in there at all nenolod | Oct 17 12:45 |
| schestowitz | "Julie Bort is the editor of Microsoft Subnet and Network World's Online Community Editor." | Oct 17 12:45 |
| schestowitz | "She also writes the [Pseudo-]Open Source Subnet blog" | Oct 17 12:46 |
| schestowitz | "we in FOSS should leave Mirosoft alone etc etc" | Oct 17 12:46 |
| nenolod | if an actual microsoft takeover of xen happens, then i will fork it | Oct 17 12:46 |
| nenolod | until then | Oct 17 12:46 |
| nenolod | seriously. don't. care. | Oct 17 12:46 |
| nenolod | we have measures in effect for such a scenario - we already have our own tree of xen that we work off internally. | Oct 17 12:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | its called nenohatescitrix | Oct 17 12:47 |
| nenolod | i have a lot more important things to worry about, like feeding my family | Oct 17 12:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: you know, its absurd, like, eventually my entire desktop will be your shit | Oct 17 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, I use neno media player | Oct 17 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Ill eventually switch to neno linux distro | Oct 17 12:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sdtimes.com/link/34803 | Oct 17 12:48 |
| nenolod | after all, the war on freedom is something we let schestowitz & lefty duke it out over | Oct 17 12:48 |
| schestowitz | "Rob Enderle, principal analyst at The Enderle Group..." | Oct 17 12:48 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Oct 17 12:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft and Adobe: Better as partners - SD Times: Software Development News .::. Size~: 126.06 KB | Oct 17 12:48 |
| nenolod | <3 | Oct 17 12:48 |
| MinceR | lol @ lefty | Oct 17 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: lol what | Oct 17 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, why is lefty even alive | Oct 17 12:49 |
| nenolod | Microsoft and Adobe | Oct 17 12:49 |
| nenolod | yeah actually | Oct 17 12:49 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: good question | Oct 17 12:49 |
| nenolod | that works pretty well | Oct 17 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Ok own tree of xen explains something nenolod. I have not found stock xen much better than kvm in a lot of ways. | Oct 17 12:49 |
| nenolod | seeing as flash is a pile of ass | Oct 17 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Rob Enderle, principal analyst of a one-man group called after himself.... | Oct 17 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: its retarded | Oct 17 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | because photoshop on windows STILL leaks memory | Oct 17 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | on osx it doesnt | Oct 17 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | and on osx it runs a fair bit faster too | Oct 17 12:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | photoshop on windows didnt even exist until like version 3 or 4 | Oct 17 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Most likely you have the bugs in xen that annoy me fixed. nenolod | Oct 17 12:50 |
| MinceR | well, if m$ bought adobe, they could make it leak on osx, too | Oct 17 12:50 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: KVM works great as long as your goal is to do HVM. | Oct 17 12:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: huuurRRrrrRRRrrRRrrrRrrrRRrrRRR | Oct 17 12:50 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: i only do PV domains with xen | Oct 17 12:50 |
| nenolod | HVM is a giant waste of time there | Oct 17 12:50 |
| nenolod | infact, we removed the code | Oct 17 12:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they an go #2 on it while they're at it | Oct 17 12:50 |
| schestowitz | /an/can/ | Oct 17 12:50 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 12:50 |
| nenolod | infact, i removed HVM code and stability went up by an order of magnitude | Oct 17 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Yep I am more doing HVM assisted. | Oct 17 12:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/msft_radvision-partners-with-microsoft-1232409.html | Oct 17 12:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Radvision Partners with Microsoft | TradingMarkets.com .::. Size~: 27.66 KB | Oct 17 12:51 |
| nenolod | KVM is a lot better for that | Oct 17 12:51 |
| oiaohm | And xen HVM code is what you kinda call a dog breakfast. | Oct 17 12:51 |
| nenolod | but until there's a replacement to Xen PV | Oct 17 12:52 |
| nenolod | i'm not interested :p | Oct 17 12:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is losing in UC, IPTV, streaming... CDN.. | Oct 17 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Ok at least I understand where we are different now. nenolod | Oct 17 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: not true | Oct 17 12:52 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: yeah. AT&T was Microsoft's biggest IPTV client. | Oct 17 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | I heard xbox is getting netflix now | Oct 17 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohoho | Oct 17 12:52 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: they've switched to h264 | Oct 17 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | (after everything does netflix) | Oct 17 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | ps3... wii.... computers.... stand alone devices.... TVs... bluray players.... | Oct 17 12:53 |
| schestowitz | netflix=MS | Oct 17 12:53 |
| schestowitz | virtually | Oct 17 12:53 |
| nenolod | netflix is a lot more useful than MS | Oct 17 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft execs | Oct 17 12:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to the Pestalozzischule for a day of BUSC rehearsals. #Richard | Oct 17 12:53 | |
| schestowitz | So Silver Lie | Oct 17 12:53 |
| nenolod | one has porn on demand | Oct 17 12:53 |
| nenolod | the other does not | Oct 17 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Xen PV map up is Lguest but it needs more work. nenolod | Oct 17 12:54 |
| nenolod | just sayin' | Oct 17 12:54 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: BZZT | Oct 17 12:54 |
| schestowitz | <nenolod> netflix is a lot more useful than MS > sure, I exaggerated | Oct 17 12:54 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: Xen PV maps up to Lguest in a world where LINUX is the only OS anyone would want to run | Oct 17 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yes, but if all these so called microsoft guys work at netflix | Oct 17 12:54 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: there's Plan9, NetBSD, FreeBSD xen vms running on my infrastructure | Oct 17 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck is xbox the LAST platform to get netfli | Oct 17 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | *flix | Oct 17 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also the shittiest | Oct 17 12:55 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: i think there's some opensolaris in there too | Oct 17 12:55 |
| nenolod | but i'd have to go look | Oct 17 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | google's browser in a box for TVs does netflix better | Oct 17 12:55 |
| nenolod | i dunno | Oct 17 12:55 |
| nenolod | i like my xbox360 | Oct 17 12:55 |
| nenolod | it's like one of the few things MS got right in this decade | Oct 17 12:55 |
| MinceR | got your RRoD yet? :> | Oct 17 12:55 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | hello RRoD? | Oct 17 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | the fuckers are shit | Oct 17 12:55 |
| MinceR | if an over 50% hw failure rate is "getting it right" then i don't want to own stuff anyone "got right" :> | Oct 17 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | they died faster than the first gen fat PS2s | Oct 17 12:56 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: the 45nm process ones don't do that anymore | Oct 17 12:56 |
| nenolod | for what it is worth | Oct 17 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: yes, but microsoft is fucking retarded | Oct 17 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | they should have waited a year and got it right | Oct 17 12:56 |
| nenolod | MinceR: i'm talking UX-wise | Oct 17 12:56 |
| nenolod | MinceR: stuff has warranties | Oct 17 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats with all this rushing to market shit | Oct 17 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, look at that new final fantasy game | Oct 17 12:56 |
| nenolod | MinceR: with everything being made in China now (well, if you live in the US) | Oct 17 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | apparently, its not even FINISHED | Oct 17 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt even WORK | Oct 17 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they're selling it | Oct 17 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats like, fucking EA tactics right there | Oct 17 12:56 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: it's an MMO. that's how MMOs work. | Oct 17 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im pretty sure on launch day, WoW worked. | Oct 17 12:57 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: WoW worked, but didn't have everything completed | Oct 17 12:57 |
| nenolod | it was "playable" | Oct 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30779/Goldman_Sachs_Recommends_Microsoft_Split_Off_Xbox_Business.php | Oct 17 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gamasutra - News - Goldman Sachs Recommends Microsoft Split Off Xbox Business .::. Size~: 153.53 KB | Oct 17 12:57 |
| nenolod | the idea is, you get enough of it playable | Oct 17 12:57 |
| nenolod | then you push it to market | Oct 17 12:57 |
| nenolod | and finish up the rest of the map | Oct 17 12:57 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: yeah i would think spinning it off would be a good thing | Oct 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.forbes.com/victoriabarret/2010/10/05/goldman-to-microsoft-do-something/?boxes=Homepagechannels | Oct 17 12:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Goldman to Microsoft: Do Something - Victoria Barret - Upside Potential - Forbes .::. Size~: 83.16 KB | Oct 17 12:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: Im not saying they need all the content done | Oct 17 12:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is impossible, the content is NEVER done | Oct 17 12:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | the new FF mmo doesnt even _function_ | Oct 17 12:58 |
| nenolod | microsoft should spin off Bing | Oct 17 12:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | into what... Yahoo? | Oct 17 12:58 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 12:58 |
| MinceR | m$ should close shop so they don't die the slow way | Oct 17 12:59 |
| nenolod | the problem with microsoft is that there is a culture there of micro management | Oct 17 12:59 |
| nenolod | xbox was actually initially a skunkworks thing | Oct 17 12:59 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: lguest support does not end at linux. Freebsd and plan9 do have versions. The one part I wish was moved to lguest is kvm xenloader it really don't make sence there. | Oct 17 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | so basically... Yahoo licenses their engine to Microsoft.... and then ... Microsoft hands it back to Yahoo? | Oct 17 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | I HEART MICROSOFT | Oct 17 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously | Oct 17 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish someday I can mismanage a company that hard | Oct 17 12:59 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: [citation needed] | Oct 17 12:59 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 17 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats some pretty funny shit right there | Oct 17 12:59 |
| nenolod | $ grep lguest /usr/src/sys/* | wc -l | Oct 17 13:00 |
| nenolod | 0 | Oct 17 13:00 |
| *Jellykernel has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | Oct 17 13:01 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/549320/201010041835/Apple-Now-Targeted-For-Success-Like-Microsoft-Was-In-The-1990s.aspx | Oct 17 13:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple Now Targeted For Success Like Microsoft Was In The 1990s - IBD - Investors.com .::. Size~: 129.16 KB | Oct 17 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Lesson: if people are criticized, it's always due to jealousy | Oct 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Brought to you by... INVETORS.COM | Oct 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | *INVESTORS.COM | Oct 17 13:05 |
| nenolod | sometimes that is the case, not with the iphone though | Oct 17 13:05 |
| nenolod | the iphone is weak | Oct 17 13:05 |
| schestowitz | "Don't listen to them, they just hatin'!" | Oct 17 13:05 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: do you read french? For some reason I am only finding 2009 instructions to use plan 9 on lguest in french. | Oct 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | "The homeless choose to be homeless" | Oct 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | "The jobless are lazy" | Oct 17 13:06 |
| nenolod | android is shite, but it's already won because of market penetration | Oct 17 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Or what looks like french to me. | Oct 17 13:06 |
| nenolod | it's the "least bad" | Oct 17 13:06 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: yeah | Oct 17 13:06 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: i found plan9 | Oct 17 13:06 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: freebsd is a bit more important | Oct 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | "The economy is tanking cause of the unemployed" [not Wall Street speculators] | Oct 17 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Android can make phone calls | Oct 17 13:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | the economy isnt tanking | Oct 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | I guess that's enough | Oct 17 13:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it never did | Oct 17 13:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just properly repriced assets | Oct 17 13:07 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: lol | Oct 17 13:07 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: so can the iphone* | Oct 17 13:07 |
| nenolod | * provided you hold it the right way | Oct 17 13:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: :D | Oct 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | That too | Oct 17 13:07 |
| nenolod | man | Oct 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | hypePhone is not for calls | Oct 17 13:07 |
| MinceR | well, m$ has an idea about what caused the hypePhone to be successful, and they're trying it out | Oct 17 13:07 |
| nenolod | i switched from Cox to AT&T | Oct 17 13:07 |
| MinceR | so far, kin flopped | Oct 17 13:07 |
| nenolod | i called them up | Oct 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | it's to tell your friends you're better | Oct 17 13:08 |
| nenolod | they offered to buy out my vzw contract | Oct 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | It also does other thing | Oct 17 13:08 |
| nenolod | and give me an iphone 4 for free | Oct 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Like fart apps and stuff | Oct 17 13:08 |
| nenolod | i'm like "nah, i'll keep my blackberry curve" | Oct 17 13:08 |
| nenolod | the guy was like, "why?!" | Oct 17 13:08 |
| schestowitz | For farting while you talk to your boyfriend | Oct 17 13:08 |
| nenolod | "well, unlike this new stuff, the curve just works" | Oct 17 13:08 |
| nenolod | software freedom + doesn't work is not really too useful for me | Oct 17 13:09 |
| nenolod | otherwise i guess i would be enthusiastic about android | Oct 17 13:09 |
| nenolod | but like, i need an actually working email client | Oct 17 13:09 |
| nenolod | and android has yet to deliver on anything that is usable | Oct 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | gmail | Oct 17 13:10 |
| schestowitz | fog... | Oct 17 13:10 |
| nenolod | seriously, if your email client can't let you edit the entire email reply | Oct 17 13:10 |
| nenolod | it sucks | Oct 17 13:10 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 13:10 |
| schestowitz | ads | Oct 17 13:10 |
| schestowitz | gmail=ads | Oct 17 13:10 |
| nenolod | gmail is bad for 2 reasons: | Oct 17 13:10 |
| schestowitz | One-billion dollar market | Oct 17 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Says Schmidt right now | Oct 17 13:10 |
| nenolod | (1) you have to outsource to the google cloud | Oct 17 13:10 |
| nenolod | (2) forced top posting in the gmail app | Oct 17 13:10 |
| schestowitz | It also sends ads inside the msgs | Oct 17 13:10 |
| nenolod | ok, that's a third reason | Oct 17 13:11 |
| nenolod | you know one great thing about bb is: no ads | Oct 17 13:11 |
| nenolod | yeah it's closed source | Oct 17 13:11 |
| nenolod | but | Oct 17 13:11 |
| schestowitz | when do we get 'free' SMTP server from GOOG? | Oct 17 13:11 |
| nenolod | it has 2 great things going for it | Oct 17 13:11 |
| nenolod | (1) it works | Oct 17 13:11 |
| nenolod | (2) no stupid ads all over the place | Oct 17 13:11 |
| schestowitz | They already do DNS and link shorteners | Oct 17 13:11 |
| schestowitz | SMTP gives them more surveillance, 'free' of charge | Oct 17 13:12 |
| MinceR | i thought their SMTP already worked | Oct 17 13:12 |
| nenolod | anyway | Oct 17 13:12 |
| MinceR | (though they store everything you send, forever) | Oct 17 13:12 |
| schestowitz | with login | Oct 17 13:12 |
| nenolod | the android email app sucks | Oct 17 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Oct 17 13:12 |
| MinceR | yes, with login | Oct 17 13:12 |
| MinceR | global smtp without login would be spam heaven | Oct 17 13:12 |
| nenolod | it presents an email reply like | Oct 17 13:12 |
| nenolod | [your reply here] | Oct 17 13:12 |
| nenolod | Quoted text: [X] | Oct 17 13:12 |
| nenolod | [immutable email that you're replying to here] | Oct 17 13:13 |
| nenolod | [send!!!!] | Oct 17 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Google could set limits on SMTP usage | Oct 17 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Or blacklist spammers | Oct 17 13:13 |
| nenolod | this really sucks as far as a UI goes | Oct 17 13:13 |
| nenolod | i mean, it really sucks | Oct 17 13:13 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: i used to do the whole anti-spam thing. it's a losing battle | Oct 17 13:13 |
| MinceR | they must have used outlook too much | Oct 17 13:13 |
| schestowitz | then there's phone | Oct 17 13:14 |
| nenolod | i mean the android UX is so bad it sends me back to my bb curve every time for email | Oct 17 13:14 |
| schestowitz | mailrouter.man.ac.uk not subjected to it | Oct 17 13:14 |
| schestowitz | But how about BT or Virgin? | Oct 17 13:14 |
| schestowitz | They would let Phorm have any port they want | Oct 17 13:14 |
| schestowitz | They make money from selling personal data of their clients | Oct 17 13:14 |
| nenolod | ugh phorm | Oct 17 13:14 |
| nenolod | i remember that whole thing when i was living in wales | Oct 17 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Then they brag about low prices | Oct 17 13:15 |
| schestowitz | TalkTalk too | Oct 17 13:15 |
| nenolod | i was like | Oct 17 13:15 |
| nenolod | "haha, jokes on you assholes, i use eclipse" | Oct 17 13:15 |
| nenolod | then i found out | Oct 17 13:15 |
| nenolod | "eclipse is signing on to phorm" | Oct 17 13:15 |
| nenolod | and i was like "owned. :<" | Oct 17 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Really MinceR a know spammer feeding into a open smtp server that does not pass on the email but adds them to spam filter and filters rest of emial against is quite effective. | Oct 17 13:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's an entirely different application :> | Oct 17 13:16 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: that's called honeypots | Oct 17 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Oct 17 13:16 |
| nenolod | mail blacklisting results in crap like SORBS though | Oct 17 13:16 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: legitimate users would still need to log in | Oct 17 13:16 |
| oiaohm | No reason why google could not use there smtp as a honey pot. | Oct 17 13:16 |
| nenolod | SORBS is obnoxious | Oct 17 13:16 |
| nenolod | SORBS blacklisted my space because it looked like: | Oct 17 13:17 |
| nenolod | ip-67-202-104-180.chi2.systeminplace.net | Oct 17 13:17 |
| nenolod | instead of: | Oct 17 13:17 |
| nenolod | ip-67-202-104-180.static.chi2.systeminplace.net | Oct 17 13:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 17 13:17 |
| nenolod | they were like | Oct 17 13:17 |
| nenolod | WE COULDNT TELL IF IT WAS DYNAMIC OR NOT | Oct 17 13:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: DYNAMIC IPS ON VPSES | Oct 17 13:17 |
| MinceR | someone should manage a dynamic IP range with that ".static." element | Oct 17 13:18 |
| nenolod | MinceR: yes it is stupid | Oct 17 13:18 |
| nenolod | they are like | Oct 17 13:18 |
| nenolod | you should use .static. for static ips | Oct 17 13:19 |
| nenolod | and .dhcp. for dhcp ips | Oct 17 13:19 |
| nenolod | and .ppp. for ppp ips | Oct 17 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully when IPV6 eventionlly gets on Line. People paying static will not end up with old abused dynamic addresses | Oct 17 13:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | it IS online, douchenuts | Oct 17 13:19 |
| schestowitz | sheesh | Oct 17 13:19 |
| schestowitz | language! | Oct 17 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Around here its not. Diablo-D3 | Oct 17 13:19 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: i have 7 IPv6 bgp sessions up right now - pretty sure it's online | Oct 17 13:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: the internet's major core routers route ipv6 natively. | Oct 17 13:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | so FUD elsewhere kthx | Oct 17 13:19 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 | Oct 17 13:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] When eating is an act of defiance - http://bit.ly/bggnrZ why Vincenzo Conticello is a hero #sicily | Oct 17 13:20 | |
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| oiaohm | I was refering to here. Diablo-D3 Currently none of my local ISP offer IPV6 addresses. | Oct 17 13:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | so your local ISPs are incompatible with the Internet. | Oct 17 13:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | okay. | Oct 17 13:21 |
| nenolod | cox kept promising ipv6 | Oct 17 13:21 |
| nenolod | it never happened | Oct 17 13:21 |
| gnufreex | [13:42:53] <MinceR> is anyone other than citrix maintaining a fork of it? | Oct 17 13:21 |
| gnufreex | Oracle VM is fork of Xen | Oct 17 13:21 |
| *MinceR suspects that's not what nenolod is tracking :> | Oct 17 13:22 | |
| nenolod | oracle vm is a fork of xen yes | Oct 17 13:22 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: virtualiron | Oct 17 13:22 |
| nenolod | it's also a giant pile of crap | Oct 17 13:22 |
| nenolod | virtualiron is a fork of xen's hvm code only | Oct 17 13:22 |
| nenolod | it's probably a lot better than xen's hvm code though | Oct 17 13:22 |
| nenolod | VI used to be pretty good in the old days | Oct 17 13:23 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: No, it predates Virtual Iron. Virtual Iron is dead, Oracle bought it to kill it. | Oct 17 13:23 |
| nenolod | no, VI is pretty old | Oct 17 13:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: also, ffff music | Oct 17 13:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] question: anyone know of any active project for open access UK post code data? code<->street. OS released code->lat/long? | Oct 17 13:23 | |
| nenolod | VI is from 2002 | Oct 17 13:23 |
| nenolod | it competed with vmware ESX | Oct 17 13:24 |
| nenolod | vmware ESX really sucks though | Oct 17 13:24 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: Oracle bought them last year and killed everything. | Oct 17 13:24 |
| oiaohm | There are still very large sections of the gobal map that have not updated to support IPV6 yet. My area is 2 years off. Same time they lay fiber to homes. | Oct 17 13:24 |
| *schestowitz thought VI editor | Oct 17 13:24 | |
| nenolod | gnufreex: bummer | Oct 17 13:24 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 17 13:24 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: that's vi, not VI | Oct 17 13:24 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: oracle VM sucks anyhow | Oct 17 13:24 |
| schestowitz | [13:23] <nenolod> no, VI is pretty old | Oct 17 13:25 |
| schestowitz | That's where I was confused | Oct 17 13:25 |
| nenolod | yeah i was referring to the fact that virtualiron was around before xen | Oct 17 13:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | god used vi to write the lisp the universe is written in | Oct 17 13:25 |
| nenolod | if only | Oct 17 13:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait, maybe he used emacs | Oct 17 13:26 |
| *Diablo-D3 holds up a picture of God, and a picture of RMS | Oct 17 13:26 | |
| Diablo-D3 | you know, God has gained a few pounds | Oct 17 13:26 |
| nenolod | i bought a lisp machine at a garage sale like 10 years ago | Oct 17 13:26 |
| nenolod | it is awesome | Oct 17 13:26 |
| nenolod | amiga and lisp machines are actually quite similar conceptually | Oct 17 13:27 |
| nenolod | i mean look at ARexx | Oct 17 13:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | nothx | Oct 17 13:27 |
| nenolod | why doesn't FOSS still have this shit | Oct 17 13:27 |
| nenolod | still not* | Oct 17 13:27 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: no, he mostly hacked it up in Perl. | Oct 17 13:27 |
| nenolod | why does FOSS still not have this stuff | Oct 17 13:27 |
| nenolod | rather | Oct 17 13:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: because faggots lurv python | Oct 17 13:28 |
| nenolod | even windows has it with OLE/ActiveX | Oct 17 13:28 |
| MinceR | lol wut | Oct 17 13:28 |
| gnufreex | I wanted to learn Lisp, but couldn't find time to tinker... and it is of no use today. | Oct 17 13:28 |
| gnufreex | Maybe I learn Clojure | Oct 17 13:28 |
| gnufreex | Is it any good? | Oct 17 13:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | learn java you moron | Oct 17 13:28 |
| nenolod | the lack of first-class IPC in FOSS is depressing | Oct 17 13:29 |
| gnufreex | I know Java already | Oct 17 13:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | then you know all the languages you'll ever need to know | Oct 17 13:29 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 17 13:29 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: IPC ? | Oct 17 13:29 |
| nenolod | like, i mean dbus is horrible | Oct 17 13:29 |
| nenolod | dbus's functionality is something that should be in the kernel | Oct 17 13:30 |
| nenolod | you should be able to do | Oct 17 13:30 |
| gnufreex | Mach has great stuf... lol | Oct 17 13:30 |
| gnufreex | It hurts my brains | Oct 17 13:30 |
| nenolod | pid_t pid = 27348; ipchandle *ih = ipc_open(27348, DIR_REQ, PORT_MOO); | Oct 17 13:30 |
| oiaohm | There is a developers looking at moving dbus to kernel. nenolod | Oct 17 13:31 |
| nenolod | ih->send(&(port_moo_req_t){.cows = "go moo!!!!"}, sizeof(port_moo_req_t)); | Oct 17 13:31 |
| nenolod | but we can't | Oct 17 13:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats rather disgusting code | Oct 17 13:31 |
| nenolod | mind, you can do this on a system from 1985 | Oct 17 13:31 |
| nenolod | but we can't do it here | Oct 17 13:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: so, I hate myself now | Oct 17 13:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | I finally broke down and wrote an obj parser | Oct 17 13:32 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: i do not care about Java | Oct 17 13:32 |
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| Diablo-D3 | no, wavefront objs. | Oct 17 13:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | as in, the world's worst 3D format | Oct 17 13:32 |
| nenolod | actually | Oct 17 13:32 |
| nenolod | &(type){member-decls} is a neat C99-ism | Oct 17 13:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | its disgusting | Oct 17 13:33 |
| nenolod | yeah, but it's oh so useful | Oct 17 13:33 |
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| gnufreex | [14:34:35] <nenolod> then Ximian came along, stole all our code ported it to GLib and it was "game over, man" | Oct 17 13:36 |
| gnufreex | So Mono compiler is based on .GNU one? | Oct 17 13:36 |
| nenolod | at one time it was | Oct 17 13:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: dont do that | Oct 17 13:36 |
| nenolod | i think they rewrote it in C# | Oct 17 13:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | its dotGNU | Oct 17 13:36 |
| nenolod | i don't really care | Oct 17 13:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnu is not a top level domain | Oct 17 13:36 |
| nenolod | the dotGNU guys and the Mono guys used to sit there trolling each other on IRC | Oct 17 13:36 |
| gnufreex | Haha | Oct 17 13:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can see that | Oct 17 13:37 |
| nenolod | i didn't have anything to do with it!! | Oct 17 13:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | <dotGNU guys> Release... the Kraken! | Oct 17 13:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | <RMS> AARRWOOOOOOOO | Oct 17 13:37 |
| gnufreex | I figure now why Mono compiler is GPL. Practicaly all parts of Mono are MIT X11 now. | Oct 17 13:37 |
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| Diablo-D3 | <deIcaza> ARGH! GET IT OFF! GET IT OFF! AAAAAARGH | Oct 17 13:38 |
| nenolod | i can't stand miguel | Oct 17 13:38 |
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| nenolod | but i have personal reasons | Oct 17 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | miguel is such a fucking dickwad | Oct 17 13:38 |
| nenolod | mainly that mono ripped off my hard work and even removed copyright notices | Oct 17 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: suesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesue | Oct 17 13:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] my co.cc seems to be down. Reverting temporarily to the Wordpress subdomain in my profile again. | Oct 17 13:38 | |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: so not worth it | Oct 17 13:39 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: You could sue them, that is DMCA violation | Oct 17 13:39 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: they rewrote the infringing parts anyway | Oct 17 13:39 |
| nenolod | miguel was banned in #dotgnu | Oct 17 13:40 |
| nenolod | he was that popular! | Oct 17 13:40 |
| nenolod | anyway, all old news anyway | Oct 17 13:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im banned in #mono | Oct 17 13:40 |
| nenolod | mono put out mono 1.0 and by that point dotGNU was 100% dead | Oct 17 13:40 |
| *Diablo-D3 is that popular. | Oct 17 13:40 | |
| nenolod | dotGNU came along for the same reason WINE exists | Oct 17 13:41 |
| nenolod | anywho | Oct 17 13:41 |
| nenolod | new Foo(){ ... } is also valid in Java | Oct 17 13:42 |
| nenolod | i'm pretty sure | Oct 17 13:42 |
| nenolod | the C++ equivilant is umm | Oct 17 13:42 |
| nenolod | Foo()::Foo(int iMoo, int iBar, int iBaz) : moo(iMoo), bar(iBar), baz(iBaz) {}; | Oct 17 13:43 |
| nenolod | then you just pass it to the constructor | Oct 17 13:43 |
| nenolod | which is weak | Oct 17 13:43 |
| nenolod | but | Oct 17 13:43 |
| nenolod | it's the same idea | Oct 17 13:43 |
| nenolod | -() | Oct 17 13:43 |
| nenolod | actually, i would say to some extent | Oct 17 13:45 |
| nenolod | the reason why Mono exists now over dotGNU | Oct 17 13:45 |
| nenolod | was because RMS let it go down the drain | Oct 17 13:45 |
| nenolod | instead of getting a new core maintainer to replace nb, he just ignored requests from that team | Oct 17 13:45 |
| *nenolod gets his cane | Oct 17 13:46 | |
| gnufreex | How RMS is to blame... why spend good FSF money to evil cause | Oct 17 13:46 |
| nenolod | at the time it was not an evil cause | Oct 17 13:46 |
| gnufreex | Now it would be. | Oct 17 13:46 |
| gnufreex | Better to smear de Icaza then FSF | Oct 17 13:47 |
| gnufreex | :-) | Oct 17 13:47 |
| nenolod | had dotGNU been a successful project, .NET would have gone down a lot differently | Oct 17 13:47 |
| nenolod | the whole plan was to force our way through the ECMA process | Oct 17 13:47 |
| gnufreex | When I think better, you are right. | Oct 17 13:47 |
| nenolod | and RMS was supportive of that strategy. | Oct 17 13:47 |
| nenolod | but by the time Mono 1.0 was around, ECMA process was basically done | Oct 17 13:48 |
| nenolod | so nobody cared anymore | Oct 17 13:48 |
| nenolod | but we could have gotten in on the .Net 2.0 specification drafting process | Oct 17 13:48 |
| nenolod | Icaza had no such interests | Oct 17 13:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] have the MIPS systems almost up and running again. noticed PMON is not the same version on these systems :-s | Oct 17 13:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anonymous Takes Out UK Intellectual Property Office Website - http://bit.ly/b3MZ1w I have the feeling this isn't going to help #ddos #uk | Oct 17 13:48 | |
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| nenolod | which is why Microsoft played nice with them | Oct 17 13:48 |
| nenolod | to Microsoft, dotGNU was a /threat/ | Oct 17 13:49 |
| nenolod | because we would have had equal access in the ECMA processes | Oct 17 13:49 |
| nenolod | Mono having equal access instead was not a problem because Icaza didn't care | Oct 17 13:49 |
| nenolod | FSF having access though, they cared a big deal about that | Oct 17 13:50 |
| gnufreex | De Icaza is working for Microsoft, so he don't want to push. Mono advocates like to compare Mono with samba, as in "samba is also in danger from M$". They should cmpare Jeremy Alison to De Icaza. JRA gave hard time to Microsoft and eventualy made them give papers through court. De Icaza loves everything that comes from Microsoft and spins it against free software. | Oct 17 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Samba lead developers were prepared to put the legal battle first to get it sorted out. | Oct 17 13:52 |
| nenolod | Icaza's whole business (Ximian) was on interoperability with Microsoft technology. | Oct 17 13:52 |
| nenolod | it should be unsurprising that he has such views :p | Oct 17 13:52 |
| nenolod | point is, FSF's interest in .NET with dotGNU was to force their way into the .NET 2.0 ECMA spec drafting process | Oct 17 13:53 |
| gnufreex | Well... I am suprised. If I was in his shoes, I would push to get my bussines legalized. | Oct 17 13:53 |
| gnufreex | Not hope that M$ are nice. | Oct 17 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Remember Novell has a deal. gnufreex | Oct 17 13:53 |
| oiaohm | So he is safe at this stage. | Oct 17 13:54 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, he is safe now, and probably has personal deal with MSFT. | Oct 17 13:54 |
| nenolod | and dotGNU died because Icaza+Mono worked directly with M$ and had access to internal docs | Oct 17 13:54 |
| nenolod | this is well known :p | Oct 17 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Also some of the new code turning up in mono is coming from Microsoft developers directly as well. | Oct 17 13:55 |
| nenolod | well | Oct 17 13:55 |
| nenolod | that doesn't matter anymore | Oct 17 13:55 |
| gnufreex | And licensed under MS-PL | Oct 17 13:55 |
| gnufreex | Anti-GPL license | Oct 17 13:55 |
| nenolod | their goal was, with icaza | Oct 17 13:55 |
| oiaohm | I really suspect mono change licence was to allow Microsoft to take code back from mono | Oct 17 13:55 |
| nenolod | to crush dotGNU | Oct 17 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically Mono Microsoft these days is appearing to be double way releationship. | Oct 17 13:56 |
| nenolod | microsoft did not want anyone else with an agenda being in the ECMA process | Oct 17 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Notice the mono still has not released a ECMA only version. | Oct 17 13:56 |
| oiaohm | I don't think it possible. | Oct 17 13:56 |
| nenolod | yes :) | Oct 17 13:56 |
| gnufreex | Yes, they changed to MIT so MSFT can have the code. | Oct 17 13:57 |
| nenolod | anyway | Oct 17 13:57 |
| nenolod | 07:49:19 gnufreex:> And licensed under MS-PL | Oct 17 13:57 |
| nenolod | 07:49:25 gnufreex:> Anti-GPL license | Oct 17 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Just like all MS spec sheets I suspect the ECMA has errors. | Oct 17 13:57 |
| nenolod | personally i'm not pro-GPL | Oct 17 13:57 |
| gnufreex | Making class libraries is laborious task. | Oct 17 13:57 |
| nenolod | amost all code i write is ISC license | Oct 17 13:57 |
| oiaohm | MS-PL is strangely enough GPL v3 compadible. | Oct 17 13:57 |
| nenolod | almost* | Oct 17 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie to be wrapped by GPL v3 | Oct 17 13:57 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: How's that? | Oct 17 13:58 |
| oiaohm | MS-PL declare include patent grant and is open enough to be wrapped by GPLv3 | Oct 17 13:58 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: IT says explicitly "MS-PL of GTFO" | Oct 17 13:58 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: IT says explicitly "MS-PL or GTFO" | Oct 17 13:58 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: GPLv3 says explicitly GPLv3 or GTFO | Oct 17 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Note the other way is not possible. | Oct 17 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Ie MS-PL containing GPLv3 cannot be done. | Oct 17 13:59 |
| oiaohm | But GPLv3 containing MS-PL can be done. | Oct 17 13:59 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: And MS-PL says that too. So incompatible. | Oct 17 13:59 |
| nenolod | this is why i use ISC for everything | Oct 17 13:59 |
| nenolod | :P | Oct 17 13:59 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: It can be done if you own all the code. | Oct 17 14:00 |
| nenolod | ISC is so simple a 5 year old can understand it | Oct 17 14:00 |
| nenolod | the only time i use GPL is if i have a commercial interest in the code | Oct 17 14:00 |
| nenolod | in that case, you can use GPL or buy a non-GPL license if the GPL terms are too restrictive | Oct 17 14:01 |
| nenolod | i think the GPL is great for that model | Oct 17 14:01 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: Simplicity is overrated. When I think about those "additional freedoms" that permisive licenses give I get scared: Freedom #5: Freedom to watch your code competes against you. Freedom #6: Freedom to get sued by contributor for patent infridgement... | Oct 17 14:02 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: remember wine started off with a MIT licence then latter changed to LGPL | Oct 17 14:02 |
| oiaohm | There is such thing as too much freedom. | Oct 17 14:03 |
| gnufreex | There is freedom and there is power | Oct 17 14:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Leaked Letter — BSA Pressures Europe To Kill Open Standards (FSF): http://bit.ly/cUJRml (via @Slashdot) | Oct 17 14:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Supercomputer sets protein-folding record (Nature) http://bit.ly/axQKBl | Oct 17 14:03 | |
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| nenolod | oiaohm: yes. obviously, but a number of projects i work on i have no interest in | Oct 17 14:03 |
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| gnufreex | Let me find FSF article... | Oct 17 14:03 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: anything i have an actual interest in i put under GPL | Oct 17 14:04 |
| gnufreex | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/freedom-or-power.html | Oct 17 14:04 |
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| gnufreex | The love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves. | Oct 17 14:04 |
| gnufreex | -- William Hazlitt | Oct 17 14:04 |
| nenolod | because you are right, the GPL does give important protections when you need those protections | Oct 17 14:04 |
| nenolod | let me put it this way | Oct 17 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Yep particularly that you competitor cannot take you code extend and not give you the code so leaving you at a disadvantage in the market. | Oct 17 14:05 |
| nenolod | several years ago, i used to put most of my code in the public domain | Oct 17 14:05 |
| nenolod | ISC is as close as you can get with it being a legit license | Oct 17 14:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Will saints be much harder to create in the future because as time goes on we will know more about their day to day lifes? #religion | Oct 17 14:07 | |
| gnufreex | WTFPL is legit too | Oct 17 14:07 |
| gnufreex | http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ | Oct 17 14:07 |
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| nenolod | i prefer ISC for this | Oct 17 14:08 |
| oiaohm | I was just about to point to that one. | Oct 17 14:08 |
| nenolod | it's a bit more pro | Oct 17 14:08 |
| nenolod | than | Oct 17 14:08 |
| nenolod | "Do what the fuck you want to" | Oct 17 14:08 |
| nenolod | i mean, i like being able to get hired places | Oct 17 14:08 |
| gnufreex | I am joking :-) | Oct 17 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Not like to upset bos or filters. nenolod | Oct 17 14:08 |
| oiaohm | I have had cases of site filters blocking wtfpl licence. | Oct 17 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes just because it contains the F work. | Oct 17 14:09 |
| nenolod | http://hg.atheme.org/atheme/atheme/file/f3e44f7e6b30/COPYING | Oct 17 14:10 |
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| nenolod | ISC is even copyleft! | Oct 17 14:10 |
| nenolod | it forces you to keep the license text and doesn't grant you the ability to sublicense! | Oct 17 14:10 |
| oiaohm | ISC is not completely bad. | Oct 17 14:11 |
| oiaohm | wtfpl is closer to public domian than ISC. But still who wants to be any closer to public domain than ISC | Oct 17 14:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Lobby Lens - http://bit.ly/9aztGV clickable, graphical representation of lobbyists and clients - amazing: want now (via @WhosLobbying) #au | Oct 17 14:12 | |
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| gnufreex | nenolod: How come ISC copyleft? | Oct 17 14:13 |
| nenolod | 08:04:12 nenolod:> it forces you to keep the license text and doesn't grant you the ability to sublicense! | Oct 17 14:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Re saints, More like trying to name an aircraft carrier after Ronald Reagan. | Oct 17 14:13 | |
| nenolod | it also does not grant permission to change the license text in any way | Oct 17 14:14 |
| gnufreex | That sucks then. It fails the purpose. | Oct 17 14:14 |
| oiaohm | ISC is like bsd that way. | Oct 17 14:14 |
| gnufreex | If you want to have that, you should use GPL. | Oct 17 14:14 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: the purpose is to keep the codebase under the ISC license | Oct 17 14:14 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: GPL is aggressively copyleft. It forces everything else to become GPL. | Oct 17 14:15 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: I do not agree with that. | Oct 17 14:15 |
| nenolod | i actually like the Apache 2.0 License | Oct 17 14:15 |
| nenolod | i don't think it's GPL compatible though | Oct 17 14:16 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few, testing kernel with initrd rebuilt with udev 163 | Oct 17 14:16 |
| gnufreex | So it keeps code from geting into GPL, but lets go binary only? That is pretty bad. | Oct 17 14:16 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licenses | Oct 17 14:16 |
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| gnufreex | Apache v2 is compatible with GPLv3 | Oct 17 14:16 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: some changes can be made to the ISC text to force source distribution with binary distribution | Oct 17 14:16 |
| oiaohm | ISC is not offically marked as a copyleaf. nenolod ISC does not force all new code added to be under ISC | Oct 17 14:16 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: it does not, no. | Oct 17 14:17 |
| nenolod | but it forces existing code | Oct 17 14:17 |
| nenolod | and that is all i care about | Oct 17 14:17 |
| oiaohm | A true copyleaf does. | Oct 17 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Ie close just not quite. | Oct 17 14:17 |
| nenolod | anyway | Oct 17 14:17 |
| gnufreex | Existing code stays under existing license, no matter what. | Oct 17 14:17 |
| nenolod | i don't really care about licensing | Oct 17 14:18 |
| gnufreex | That is not copyleft. | Oct 17 14:18 |
| nenolod | anyone who cares more about licensing than code is generally uninteresting to me | Oct 17 14:18 |
| nenolod | a big problem for FOSS is that people look at it, then they see schestowitz & lefty going at it and they get scared | Oct 17 14:19 |
| nenolod | so they stick with "what they know" | Oct 17 14:19 |
| oiaohm | I have learnt to care about licencing more after the codeweavers vs transgaming. | Oct 17 14:19 |
| oiaohm | When wine risked losing codeweavers support due to transgaming keeping secrets. | Oct 17 14:20 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: The problem is, if you don't care about licensing, all coding won't matter. | Oct 17 14:20 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: and i disagree - code and product quality are as important if not more important than licensing | Oct 17 14:21 |
| gnufreex | But... it is complicted issue. | Oct 17 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Anything critical I need better be under the right license so key contributors don't end up in a location to keep income they have to consider walking away. | Oct 17 14:21 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: GPLv3 does a great job | Oct 17 14:21 |
| nenolod | ISC does a great job | Oct 17 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Product quality slips if you don't have the developers. | Oct 17 14:21 |
| nenolod | BSD does a great job | Oct 17 14:21 |
| oiaohm | BSD not so much when you compare BSD progress against GPL progress. | Oct 17 14:22 |
| nenolod | it all depends on what you are trying to do | Oct 17 14:22 |
| nenolod | the point is | Oct 17 14:22 |
| oiaohm | BSD is good for getting standards out like TCP/IP | Oct 17 14:22 |
| nenolod | and this is the point that lefty tries to make but fails at making due to being an asshole | Oct 17 14:22 |
| oiaohm | But for geting new features | Oct 17 14:23 |
| nenolod | there is a GPL zealotry problem | Oct 17 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Not as good. | Oct 17 14:23 |
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| nenolod | like the sparkleshare incident | Oct 17 14:23 |
| oiaohm | LGPL has worked for a lot of projects really well. | Oct 17 14:23 |
| nenolod | the author of sparkleshare got derided for writing his code in C# | Oct 17 14:23 |
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| nenolod | even though it was otherwise free software | Oct 17 14:23 |
| nenolod | those people, who spend there time doing that instead of doing something constructive need to GTFO | Oct 17 14:24 |
| nenolod | and i am tired of those people | Oct 17 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Really it was a clone of another program. | Oct 17 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Historically do that at your own risk. | Oct 17 14:24 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: Lefty lies a lot. He didn't get get 'derided' | Oct 17 14:24 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: he got derided. i read everything for myself and reached my own conclusions. | Oct 17 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Remember the toasting gnote got. nenolod | Oct 17 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Heck sparkleshare got off light. | Oct 17 14:25 |
| nenolod | bradley kuhn needs to keep his mouth shut | Oct 17 14:25 |
| nenolod | every time he opens it, it spawns a PR disaster | Oct 17 14:25 |
| oiaohm | And I expect to see libreoffice get some toasting for Oracle as well. | Oct 17 14:25 |
| nenolod | and like it or not, PR is important when you're someone like bkuhn | Oct 17 14:25 |
| oiaohm | It is the nature of the beast. | Oct 17 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Fork a project you will get hit. | Oct 17 14:26 |
| nenolod | sparkleshare is not a fork of anything | Oct 17 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Or clone a project you will get it. | Oct 17 14:26 |
| nenolod | he got toasted due to C# use | Oct 17 14:26 |
| nenolod | bkuhn shouldn't have done it. not with the position he is in | Oct 17 14:26 |
| nenolod | because when you do that, you give the enemy ammo | Oct 17 14:27 |
| nenolod | we do not want to give the enemy PR ammo | Oct 17 14:27 |
| gnufreex | So, what should he have done instead? | Oct 17 14:27 |
| nenolod | he should have just kept his mouth shut | Oct 17 14:27 |
| nenolod | period | Oct 17 14:27 |
| nenolod | you seem to believe that for all perceived issues that they must be "solved" | Oct 17 14:27 |
| oiaohm | The toasting over C# started with tomboy. nenolod | Oct 17 14:27 |
| nenolod | yes i know | Oct 17 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Toasting there clones. | Oct 17 14:27 |
| nenolod | i disagreed with that too | Oct 17 14:27 |
| gnufreex | So, Mono apps get pilling on, everything goes Mono... how is that helping? | Oct 17 14:27 |
| nenolod | oh gnoes | Oct 17 14:28 |
| nenolod | here's the solution | Oct 17 14:28 |
| nenolod | provide a better app which doesn't use Mono | Oct 17 14:28 |
| nenolod | most of the Mono-using apps are pretty crappy apps because the Mono family of languages don't appeal to seasoned programmers | Oct 17 14:28 |
| nenolod | they appeal to designers | Oct 17 14:28 |
| nenolod | it shouldn't be too hard to write a better app | Oct 17 14:28 |
| nenolod | then when you write the better app, you let the market decide | Oct 17 14:29 |
| nenolod | if people want to use Mono apps, that's their decision | Oct 17 14:29 |
| nenolod | there are plenty of distributions which do not ship Mono apps | Oct 17 14:29 |
| nenolod | one thing that people forget is that free software also is about freedom of choice | Oct 17 14:29 |
| nenolod | GNOME v. KDE, Mono v. writing it in a good language, etc | Oct 17 14:30 |
| nenolod | at the end of the day, the "market" (e.g. all the users out there), they just want the apps that do what they want and do a good job at it | Oct 17 14:30 |
| nenolod | it's pretty simple | Oct 17 14:31 |
| nenolod | so replace the mono apps with better apps | Oct 17 14:31 |
| nenolod | instead of trolling about it, just replace the damn thing | Oct 17 14:31 |
| gnufreex | Don't reduce Mono vs xx to GNOME vs KDE. It is not that at this point. It is like GNOME vs KDE in late 90s. | Oct 17 14:31 |
| nenolod | it is that | Oct 17 14:31 |
| oiaohm | I trying to remember the one that existed before sparle share and did not use mono. nenolod | Oct 17 14:31 |
| oiaohm | There is one. | Oct 17 14:31 |
| oiaohm | That was where the battle started. | Oct 17 14:31 |
| nenolod | then take that app | Oct 17 14:31 |
| nenolod | make it better | Oct 17 14:31 |
| nenolod | watch everyone use it instead | Oct 17 14:32 |
| nenolod | pretty simplre | Oct 17 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Ie it got side tracked into a C# arguement. | Oct 17 14:32 |
| nenolod | my point is | Oct 17 14:32 |
| nenolod | bkuhn should not have gone there. i personally know he knows better than to have gone there. | Oct 17 14:32 |
| nenolod | he did so anyway, lefty picked up on it, it became a PR issue | Oct 17 14:33 |
| nenolod | people should have the choice to use mono apps if they want | Oct 17 14:33 |
| nenolod | without being harassed for it | Oct 17 14:33 |
| nenolod | or derided | Oct 17 14:33 |
| nenolod | or chastized | Oct 17 14:33 |
| nenolod | wanting to use an app that works is a perfectly valid wish and you can't say those people are wrong because they want an app that happens to be using mono | Oct 17 14:34 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: You seem to advocate against negative marketing. Unfortunately, sometimes, that is necesary. Mono use needs criticism or else everybody is going to use it. For example, there are apps that are adding Mono extensions. It would be stupid to recode entire app just because it adds Mono dependency. Users will not move to replacement. And it again requires lots of friction and negative marketing. | Oct 17 14:34 |
| gnufreex | Mono advocates also use that | Oct 17 14:35 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: sorry i disagree | Oct 17 14:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Use Mplayer With VAAPI Support (Hardware Acceleration) In Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat http://bit.ly/aLucrn | Oct 17 14:35 | |
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| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFolder << No they don't gnufreex | Oct 17 14:35 |
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| gnufreex | "Look at those, they want to make you switch app just because of Mono, they are zealots" | Oct 17 14:35 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: you are a zealot, sorry | Oct 17 14:36 |
| nenolod | it's true | Oct 17 14:36 |
| nenolod | that statement is a true statement | Oct 17 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Some of the ones that started the C# over sparkleshare were Novell personal. | Oct 17 14:36 |
| gnufreex | So, frickin wha? | Oct 17 14:36 |
| gnufreex | I am proud of that! | Oct 17 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough to protect there own C# product. | Oct 17 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes there are lot of double standard people out there. | Oct 17 14:36 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: yes, but bkuhn sparked it off | Oct 17 14:37 |
| _Goblin | Have I missed something.....why not just stick with OOo or Abiword.......I won't even mention the name LXXXXoffice.... | Oct 17 14:37 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of Novell media people I would love to shot. | Oct 17 14:37 |
| nenolod | the appropriate way of handling the sparkleshare thing would have been to offer the guy help moving to native code | Oct 17 14:37 |
| nenolod | and highlighting that his app will work better due to it being native code | Oct 17 14:37 |
| nenolod | there's an old saying | Oct 17 14:38 |
| nenolod | you attract more flies with honey than vinegar | Oct 17 14:38 |
| gnufreex | Yes, that is effective way but that would also give ammo to haters. Haters gonna hate. | Oct 17 14:39 |
| nenolod | yes, haters are going to hate, but there's a lot less hate going around. | Oct 17 14:39 |
| gnufreex | Anybody who approaches the Sparkleshare dev with such proposition is going to branded zealot | Oct 17 14:39 |
| nenolod | yes, but by chastizing the sparkleshare dev | Oct 17 14:40 |
| nenolod | the dev went | Oct 17 14:40 |
| nenolod | "hey, fuck you assholes" | Oct 17 14:40 |
| nenolod | it's who thinks you are a zealot | Oct 17 14:40 |
| nenolod | not if someone thinks you are a zealot | Oct 17 14:40 |
| gnufreex | That is not wha bkhun did. | Oct 17 14:40 |
| nenolod | yes he did | Oct 17 14:40 |
| nenolod | he said | Oct 17 14:40 |
| nenolod | in effect, "sparkleshare sucks because it uses mono" | Oct 17 14:40 |
| gnufreex | No, he said it is disturbing for him to hear that sparkleshare uses Mono. | Oct 17 14:41 |
| nenolod | yes, he didn't need to say that | Oct 17 14:41 |
| nenolod | period. didn't need to be said. | Oct 17 14:42 |
| gnufreex | So if he proposed a port to Vala out of the blue, it would be same effect. | Oct 17 14:42 |
| nenolod | not if he said | Oct 17 14:42 |
| gnufreex | There are not so many ways to say it. | Oct 17 14:42 |
| gnufreex | He got to spill it out somehow. | Oct 17 14:42 |
| nenolod | "i want to help improve sparkleshare by moving it to Vala to reduce dependencies and improve performance." | Oct 17 14:42 |
| nenolod | nobody can argue against that statement | Oct 17 14:42 |
| nenolod | compiling the code with vala reduces dependencies and improves performance | Oct 17 14:43 |
| gnufreex | I could argue: " Mono is great, you are such zealot because you want to remove Mono!!!111" | Oct 17 14:43 |
| nenolod | by highlighting technical benefits to using vala over mono, you win without pissing off the dev | Oct 17 14:43 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: you could | Oct 17 14:43 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: but you're not the dev | Oct 17 14:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Devastation and Recovery at Mt. St. Helens - http://bit.ly/cpjhXG now that's a natural remedy (via @Eaterofsun) | Oct 17 14:43 | |
| nenolod | gnufreex: so you don't matter | Oct 17 14:43 |
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| nenolod | gnufreex: the community, will in general, write those people off as morons | Oct 17 14:44 |
| nenolod | as long as the outcome results in a happy dev | Oct 17 14:44 |
| nenolod | it doesn't matter what those people think | Oct 17 14:44 |
| oiaohm | nenolod: at the time vala was not developed enough. Please be careful with rose coloured glasses. | Oct 17 14:44 |
| nenolod | like you said, "haters gonna hate" | Oct 17 14:44 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: this discussion | Oct 17 14:44 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: happened 4 weeks ago | Oct 17 14:44 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: moron tank over there | Oct 17 14:45 |
| *nenolod points | Oct 17 14:45 | |
| oiaohm | So it has not died down. | Oct 17 14:45 |
| oiaohm | I would have though by now they would have moved on. | Oct 17 14:45 |
| nenolod | no, sparkleshare is quite recent | Oct 17 14:45 |
| nenolod | now | Oct 17 14:46 |
| nenolod | lefty gets a lot wrong | Oct 17 14:46 |
| nenolod | simply because that's his goal | Oct 17 14:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] What Can Squid Hear? : TreeHugger http://ping.fm/3EMJc(Treehugger) | Oct 17 14:47 | |
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| nenolod | but there are elements of truth to the things he says | Oct 17 14:47 |
| amarsh04 | link from http://www.whirlpool.net.au http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/spy-fears-as-chinese-firm-eyes-nbn-deal-20101016-16odq.html | Oct 17 14:47 |
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| nenolod | there is a sexism problem in FOSS, but it's not in the way that lefty describes | Oct 17 14:47 |
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| nenolod | if you sit on #ubuntu-women or whatever, you can see it | Oct 17 14:47 |
| nenolod | that problem is getting better | Oct 17 14:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Next Web: Anonymous takes down UK government website in Operation Payback http://ping.fm/Y6uyM | Oct 17 14:48 | |
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| nenolod | but the problem with lefty is | Oct 17 14:49 |
| nenolod | he took an example of some ubuntu-using moron harassing a girl | Oct 17 14:50 |
| nenolod | and spun it into "big opensource guy sexually assults a girl" | Oct 17 14:50 |
| nenolod | so like i said | Oct 17 14:50 |
| nenolod | elements of truth, almost all spin though | Oct 17 14:50 |
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| nenolod | welcome back | Oct 17 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the female open source coders I have ment can more than take care of themselves. | Oct 17 14:51 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 14:51 |
| nenolod | i agree | Oct 17 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Yes I do mean more. | Oct 17 14:51 |
| oiaohm | I have seen some guys wishing there nuts were more protected. | Oct 17 14:51 |
| nenolod | some of the best coders i have worked with have been women actually | Oct 17 14:52 |
| lightpriest_ | operation payback's logo reminds me of thepiratebay's logo | Oct 17 14:52 |
| nenolod | man | Oct 17 14:52 |
| lightpriest_ | ohh | Oct 17 14:52 |
| nenolod | ddosing people | Oct 17 14:52 |
| lightpriest_ | it's the same one :D | Oct 17 14:52 |
| nenolod | isn't a solution to that | Oct 17 14:52 |
| nenolod | that's just stupid | Oct 17 14:53 |
| nenolod | i mean, when you find yourself presented with a problem and you think "i know! i will ddos them!" you might want to rethink the problem | Oct 17 14:53 |
| nenolod | seriously | Oct 17 14:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Rehearsals, rehearsals, rehearsals... | Oct 17 14:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] vnmc [on Tumblr] - 5 MB of storage 44 years ago http://ping.fm/lHV0P | Oct 17 14:53 | |
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| _Goblin | Hi lightpriest_ | Oct 17 14:54 |
| lightpriest_ | hey | Oct 17 14:54 |
| _Goblin | Haven't seen you here before...new? | Oct 17 14:54 |
| lightpriest_ | i've been following the blog for a few months now | Oct 17 14:54 |
| nenolod | i wonder if apple has a patent on menu bars at top of screen | Oct 17 14:54 |
| _Goblin | Welcome to the channel! | Oct 17 14:54 |
| nenolod | not that it matters | Oct 17 14:54 |
| nenolod | amiga is prior art | Oct 17 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes the do nenolod | Oct 17 14:54 |
| lightpriest_ | thank you :) | Oct 17 14:54 |
| oiaohm | But its expired. nenolod | Oct 17 14:54 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: awesome | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | i'm infringing on it right now | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | it feels so good | Oct 17 14:55 |
| gnufreex | don't know about apple, but Microsoft tried to patent Ribbon | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | i remember when you got patents on stuff you made | Oct 17 14:55 |
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| oiaohm | Note its icon in the top coner tha amiga did not have. nenolod | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | good times | Oct 17 14:55 |
| _Goblin | nenolod: Im also infringing....... | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | now you get patents on bullshit you make up | Oct 17 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember the apple icon up there nenolod | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | no apple icon | Oct 17 14:55 |
| lightpriest_ | I think the original HTML implementation already did that | Oct 17 14:55 |
| nenolod | i guess it's not an infringement | Oct 17 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Also the patent is expired. nenolod | Oct 17 14:56 |
| oiaohm | So you cannot infringe it now. | Oct 17 14:56 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: yeah i heard you | Oct 17 14:56 |
| lightpriest_ | If I recall correctly, <meta> tags had some "prev", "next" and other context related stuff | Oct 17 14:56 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: i was making a joke | Oct 17 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Lot of MS Office 2007 and up is trademarked. | Oct 17 14:56 |
| oiaohm | More than Patented. | Oct 17 14:57 |
| nenolod | interesting | Oct 17 14:57 |
| oiaohm | trademarks have a lower bar of proff. | Oct 17 14:57 |
| _Goblin | " i remember when you got patents on stuff you made" - Dont be silly nenolod http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/microsoft-to-boldly-blow/ | Oct 17 14:57 |
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| oiaohm | It it just looks like me so you are toast. | Oct 17 14:57 |
| nenolod | _Goblin: no, like | Oct 17 14:57 |
| nenolod | _Goblin: i'm talking cotton gin, "efficient aparatus for storing paper documents", so on | Oct 17 14:57 |
| nenolod | _Goblin: flat screen TVs | Oct 17 14:57 |
| nenolod | you know | Oct 17 14:57 |
| _Goblin | nenolod: yeah like the Holodeck patent from MS (as above link) | Oct 17 14:57 |
| nenolod | things | Oct 17 14:58 |
| nenolod | *things* | Oct 17 14:58 |
| nenolod | _Goblin: yeah you've been able to patent BS for a long time | Oct 17 14:58 |
| nenolod | that said | Oct 17 14:58 |
| nenolod | i want a holodeck | Oct 17 14:58 |
| nenolod | do they have assembly instructions on that patent? | Oct 17 14:58 |
| _Goblin | nenolod: I can see this conversation deteriorating rapidly. | Oct 17 14:58 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Oct 17 14:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] At Frieze Art Fair. | Oct 17 14:58 | |
| oiaohm | Quite a few maths based ones had. nenolod | Oct 17 14:58 |
| nenolod | oh | Oct 17 14:58 |
| nenolod | that patent | Oct 17 14:58 |
| nenolod | linden lab had a similar one they were going to file for | Oct 17 14:59 |
| nenolod | i forget if they actually did it or not | Oct 17 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Remember how many patents did you see on the back of sicence calculators. | Oct 17 14:59 |
| nenolod | yes but you have to keep in mind | Oct 17 14:59 |
| nenolod | someone invented a circuit to do that stuff | Oct 17 14:59 |
| nenolod | so that's legit | Oct 17 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: man | Oct 17 15:00 |
| nenolod | now when you get into graphing calculators | Oct 17 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive seen shit that has like | Oct 17 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | 9000 patents | Oct 17 15:00 |
| nenolod | that's when it gets less legit | Oct 17 15:00 |
| nenolod | since there's actually a z80 chip in there | Oct 17 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: well yeah | Oct 17 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | swpats | Oct 17 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | are | Oct 17 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | gay | Oct 17 15:00 |
| nenolod | but a scientific calculator | Oct 17 15:00 |
| nenolod | 100% legit | Oct 17 15:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @sheytan: Now this one is cool #kubuntu #KDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNf36LQFfIM <- Is it possible w/Gnome ? #KDE rocks! | Oct 17 15:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Some very good new art, lots of stunts, various old favourites. You can see the trends. #frieze | Oct 17 15:00 | |
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| nenolod | there's no CPU in there | Oct 17 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, its just a mostly raw ALU | Oct 17 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | with enough UI to flip the right bits | Oct 17 15:01 |
| nenolod | exactly | Oct 17 15:01 |
| nenolod | so they're patenting bits and pieces of the ALU | Oct 17 15:01 |
| nenolod | like i said, 100% legit | Oct 17 15:01 |
| nenolod | i doubt any of those patents are still active anyway | Oct 17 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | no reason to anyways | Oct 17 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres only one right way of making an ALU | Oct 17 15:02 |
| nenolod | i mean i can't forsee them doing anything innovative in scientific calculators anymore | Oct 17 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | its counterproductive to keep the patent active | Oct 17 15:02 |
| oiaohm | There are patents for processing machine code produced from asm. There are some software patents for compliers optimising code. | Oct 17 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Yes hordid stuff. | Oct 17 15:02 |
| oiaohm | There was enough when they stuck to real hardware. | Oct 17 15:02 |
| nenolod | oiaohm: like i said, when you have an actual CPU driving your calculator, it becomes less legit | Oct 17 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: well | Oct 17 15:03 |
| nenolod | but patents on hardware are totally legit | Oct 17 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres also another problem | Oct 17 15:03 |
| nenolod | that's what the patent system is there for | Oct 17 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have to understand the difference between true swpats and math pats. | Oct 17 15:03 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: that too ;) | Oct 17 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | math pats are meeeeehhh and could be slid through without much bitching | Oct 17 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | but actual swpats? fuck that | Oct 17 15:03 |
| gnufreex | Patents on harware are even worse than sofware ones: See Intel monopoly and crappy x86 | Oct 17 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | PATENT ON HOW TO MANGLE STRINGS FOR A SPECIFIC USE CASE THAT NO ONE ACTUALLY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT | Oct 17 15:03 |
| gnufreex | Everything is software now. | Oct 17 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then the company sues some guy who isnt working with strings | Oct 17 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats where swpats need to die | Oct 17 15:04 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: there were patents on 68k cpus too | Oct 17 15:04 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: and PPC and even Cell | Oct 17 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are patents on everything | Oct 17 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | this cake Im eating atm? | Oct 17 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | patents. | Oct 17 15:04 |
| nenolod | gnufreex: x86 just won cause intel undercut everyone else back during the z80 days | Oct 17 15:04 |
| nenolod | had z80 won, we'd all be using ARM now | Oct 17 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: erm | Oct 17 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | except remember what the z80 is | Oct 17 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | a non-compatible 8080 | Oct 17 15:05 |
| gnufreex | nenolod: Problem is that _now_ CPUs are sofware. | Oct 17 15:05 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | just to avoid patents and overall Intel suing shit | Oct 17 15:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Winter seems a lot more appealing all of a sudden... http://post.ly/154tG | Oct 17 15:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Mandated Open Access Impact Advantage - http://bit.ly/c8U0J2 "because of a quality advantage" (via @AmSciForum) #oa | Oct 17 15:05 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they wernt GOING anywhere with it | Oct 17 15:05 |
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| Diablo-D3 | they just wanted an incredibly cheap 8bit processor that everyone knew how to code | Oct 17 15:05 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: yes, but z80 guys switched to ARM down the road | Oct 17 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, so did the 68k guys | Oct 17 15:06 |
| nenolod | nintendo, acorn, etc | Oct 17 15:06 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | 68k was fucking popular in game shit | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | 68k went PPC mostly | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | well on the mac side yeah | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | mac and amiga | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | but like, if Sega made a handheld console now, it'd be an ARM | Oct 17 15:08 |
| gnufreex | PPC went..... x86 | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | PPC is dead | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | well wait | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'res more! | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | the three current gen console? | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | all powerpc. | Oct 17 15:08 |
| gnufreex | Not yet dead... but dying. | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | but | Oct 17 15:08 |
| gnufreex | I am waiting new Amiga | Oct 17 15:08 |
| gnufreex | They promised | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are more wii sales than pcs for game sales. | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | fourth gen will probably be x86 | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | probably x86 + stream coprocessors for OpenCL | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: and still no native halo 1 support for xbox 9000 | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | x86 + stream coprocessors would be sweet | Oct 17 15:08 |
| gnufreex | x86 + anyting is crap | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | wrong | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: not at all | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im very impressed with AMD | Oct 17 15:08 |
| nenolod | x86 is actually pretty good now with x86-64 | Oct 17 15:08 |
| gnufreex | I tried to learn ASM... really tried. | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | x86 is pretty good when you're running all your shit intensive parallel code on the gpu | Oct 17 15:08 |
| gnufreex | It is broken ISA | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: dude, no | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont fucking code assembly | Oct 17 15:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] The most amazing aesthetic experience so far is the chocolate fondant. ;-) #frieze | Oct 17 15:08 | |
| nenolod | 15 regs + CISC = crazy fucking fast | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | who the fuck doe sthat anymore | Oct 17 15:08 |
| gnufreex | I knwo | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | this isnt the fucking 80s | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, fuck | Oct 17 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I can run java | Oct 17 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | on | Oct 17 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | my gpu | Oct 17 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | JAVA ON MY GPU | Oct 17 15:09 |
| gnufreex | But I tought it is cool to learn it | Oct 17 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: dude, even I didnt bother learning much assembly | Oct 17 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | the compiler can do it ten times better than I can | Oct 17 15:09 |
| nenolod | sometimes asm is useful | Oct 17 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://developer.amd.com/zones/java/aparapi/Pages/default.aspx | Oct 17 15:09 |
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| Diablo-D3 | java. on. gpus. | Oct 17 15:09 |
| nenolod | like when you're ripping replayer code out from games | Oct 17 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD's dick is 8=========================================================================================================================================D | Oct 17 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | to motherfucking scale | Oct 17 15:10 |
| gnufreex | Java on GPU... that is kewl | Oct 17 15:10 |
| nenolod | the neat thing about GPUs is that they're basically insanely hyperthreaded | Oct 17 15:11 |
| nenolod | like | Oct 17 15:11 |
| nenolod | they can do | Oct 17 15:11 |
| nenolod | 280 things at once | Oct 17 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: well | Oct 17 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | look at AMD's shit | Oct 17 15:11 |
| nenolod | i think what we'll see in the future is a design where the GPU just takes over as being a CPU | Oct 17 15:11 |
| gnufreex | But I can't think of workload that would really work well on GPU | Oct 17 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | the pipeline consumes 5 things at once (as in, pipelined), and its 4 wide. | Oct 17 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the optimum workcase per pipe is 20 items, all doing the same operation. | Oct 17 15:12 |
| gnufreex | It needs to be double percision to mater | Oct 17 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Biggest limitation with GPU is no memory allocation instructions. | Oct 17 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: it already is | Oct 17 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: not at all | Oct 17 15:12 |
| nenolod | i think really | Oct 17 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont NEED to allocate memory | Oct 17 15:13 |
| nenolod | what we're going to see | Oct 17 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: learn how to code | Oct 17 15:13 |
| nenolod | is a shift of design concept | Oct 17 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: well, what I want is, one of those new quadcore ARM A15s | Oct 17 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | and | Oct 17 15:13 |
| nenolod | to where the GPU and CPU become one processor | Oct 17 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | two 6970s | Oct 17 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: so AMD Fusion, shipping soon? | Oct 17 15:14 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | but thats what you got | Oct 17 15:14 |
| nenolod | and the OS task is just one job | Oct 17 15:14 |
| nenolod | that the chip is doing | Oct 17 15:14 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 15:14 |
| gnufreex | Diabo-D3 I know it is, but all those TFLOPS are single-precision. When you do DP, it is actualy 10 GFLOPS or so. Not much faster than QuadCore CPU | Oct 17 15:14 |
| nenolod | AMD Fusion is still logically separate | Oct 17 15:14 |
| oiaohm | To be more correct memory protection instructions. | Oct 17 15:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Now isn't this special - BSA thwarting open standards! http://www.fsfe.org/projects/os/bsa-letter-ec.pdf #fb | Oct 17 15:14 | |
| gnufreex | *100 GFLOPS | Oct 17 15:14 |
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| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: logically seperate in the sense an SSE math unit is. | Oct 17 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | or a Cell SPE | Oct 17 15:14 |
| oiaohm | To sence when something has screwed up badly. | Oct 17 15:14 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: yeah, what i'm saying is the future is SPE only | Oct 17 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: its an SPE now | Oct 17 15:14 |
| nenolod | as in | Oct 17 15:14 |
| nenolod | the PPE is gone | Oct 17 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: its not merely on die, its plugged right into HTX and uses the HTX memory controller | Oct 17 15:14 |
| nenolod | there is no PPE | Oct 17 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, you need a PPE for purely functional stuff | Oct 17 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | to baby sit the SPEs | Oct 17 15:14 |
| nenolod | nah | Oct 17 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | unless you can make if statements not suck dick | Oct 17 15:15 |
| nenolod | you can use one of the SPEs for that | Oct 17 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, Cell SPEs, sure | Oct 17 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | but not hyper-wide pipes | Oct 17 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | you need to be able to schedule single width items with no branch penalty | Oct 17 15:16 |
| nenolod | right | Oct 17 15:16 |
| nenolod | beb | Oct 17 15:16 |
| nenolod | brb | Oct 17 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: btw, did I show you http://developer.amd.com/zones/java/aparapi/Pages/default.aspx? | Oct 17 15:16 |
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| Diablo-D3 | srsly, java on gpu. | Oct 17 15:16 |
| nenolod | Diablo-D3: it's java. srsly. don't care. | Oct 17 15:16 |
| gnufreex | So... this thing should be able to run JBossAS out of the box? | Oct 17 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: hell no | Oct 17 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just translates bytecode to opencl | Oct 17 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you're very limited in the java you can use | Oct 17 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | it basically has to look like what you'd code in opencl | Oct 17 15:18 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] if(array_search(date("d/m/Y",$this->connections[0] -> getDepart()->getTime()), $this->strikes) !== false) - Nice PHP. Really nice. #contains | Oct 17 15:18 | |
| gnufreex | Oh... I knew it is too good to be true... so no need to study it anyways. | Oct 17 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats that supposed to mean? | Oct 17 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | its GREAT | Oct 17 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | it means I can write opencl without having to write opencl | Oct 17 15:19 |
| nenolod | dude opencl is not hard | Oct 17 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: btw, why the fuck mention jbossas? | Oct 17 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: how is that simd? | Oct 17 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | and why the fuck mention jbossas at all? its shit | Oct 17 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | glassfish > jbossas | Oct 17 15:19 |
| gnufreex | No reason. And it is not shit. | Oct 17 15:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Today we fixed a bug while we were both in a car to a family thing. Got to love @mobilevikings #iRail | Oct 17 15:20 | |
| nenolod | jbossas has problems with JIRA | Oct 17 15:25 |
| nenolod | unfortunately, JIRA is the only bug tracking software I have found that I actually like using. | Oct 17 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, jira actually works | Oct 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | especially combined with that other thing of theirs | Oct 17 15:26 |
| nenolod | it's closed source, oh gnoes | Oct 17 15:26 |
| nenolod | the GPL zealots will burn me at the stake | Oct 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | OH NOES | Oct 17 15:26 |
| *Diablo-D3 takes away rms' lighter | Oct 17 15:26 | |
| Diablo-D3 | bad rms! no weed! | Oct 17 15:26 |
| nenolod | actually, rms once said that software which works is more important than software freedom | Oct 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Oct 17 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | problem is | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | well, what he said was functionality is as important as freedom | Oct 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | closed source has become == to shit. | Oct 17 15:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Looking forward to http://www.tedxrheinneckar.de next week. Planning to talk about Kaspar Hauser effects in most software users... | Oct 17 15:27 | |
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| nenolod | something that is free and worthless isn't useful | Oct 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | its extremely hard to name closed source that isnt shit | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | JIRA isn't actually closed source | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | if you buy a license | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | you get the source | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | so it's like | Oct 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | jira is look but dont touch | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | "shared source" | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | no | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | you can touch it | Oct 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant distribute the changes | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | you just can't release it | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder if you can send the changes back to them | Oct 17 15:27 |
| nenolod | you can | Oct 17 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | neat | Oct 17 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its really not THAT bad | Oct 17 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | the license are just fuck expensive | Oct 17 15:28 |
| nenolod | but i mean | Oct 17 15:28 |
| nenolod | with webapps | Oct 17 15:28 |
| nenolod | it's tricky | Oct 17 15:28 |
| nenolod | if you want to make money | Oct 17 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, they'd have to agpl it or something | Oct 17 15:28 |
| nenolod | you can't just opensource it | Oct 17 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | just to dick people | Oct 17 15:28 |
| nenolod | the only way to have opensource + make money is AGPL | Oct 17 15:28 |
| nenolod | and then you're still limited | Oct 17 15:28 |
| nenolod | because what you're selling is consulting and customization services | Oct 17 15:29 |
| nenolod | if you don't make enough that way | Oct 17 15:29 |
| nenolod | sucks to be you | Oct 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, redhat basically does it for redhat linux | Oct 17 15:29 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 15:29 |
| nenolod | but | Oct 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | so it cant be that hard for killer app material | Oct 17 15:29 |
| nenolod | a lot of people buy redhat | Oct 17 15:29 |
| nenolod | not many people buy a bug tracker | Oct 17 15:29 |
| nenolod | :p | Oct 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, honestly | Oct 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I needed one | Oct 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I would | Oct 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive used every bug tracker ever | Oct 17 15:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I hate them all except jira | Oct 17 15:29 |
| nenolod | and JIRA is the killer app of bugtrackers | Oct 17 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | but like I said | Oct 17 15:30 |
| nenolod | but JIRA is not so bad | Oct 17 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | jira's strong point is intergration with the rest of their shit | Oct 17 15:30 |
| nenolod | if you're an opensource project | Oct 17 15:30 |
| nenolod | they will give you a license | Oct 17 15:30 |
| nenolod | and source | Oct 17 15:30 |
| nenolod | so it's not so bad | Oct 17 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, FishEye is really good | Oct 17 15:30 |
| nenolod | i mean you get the practical benefits | Oct 17 15:30 |
| nenolod | of opensource | Oct 17 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh and | Oct 17 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | it plugs into eclipse | Oct 17 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | all their shit does | Oct 17 15:31 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 15:31 |
| nenolod | JIRA is great :) | Oct 17 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can access all of atlassian's shit through eclipse | Oct 17 15:31 |
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| nenolod | the UI is great | Oct 17 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can get live testbox fails right into eclipse | Oct 17 15:31 |
| MadRobot | Hi all. | Oct 17 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | as normal eclipse bugs | Oct 17 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | a LOT of open source projects use atlassian | Oct 17 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | its kind of ironic | Oct 17 15:32 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 15:32 |
| nenolod | you know why? | Oct 17 15:32 |
| nenolod | because it works | Oct 17 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | because its not shit | Oct 17 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its free to foss | Oct 17 15:32 |
| nenolod | all the FOSS bug trackers | Oct 17 15:32 |
| nenolod | are a giant fucking pain to administrate | Oct 17 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | bugzilla is ZOMGSETKJSETLKJRSGFAIL | Oct 17 15:32 |
| nenolod | bugzilla is horrid | Oct 17 15:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | bugzilla is the only bug tracker that has ever made me want to kill people | Oct 17 15:33 |
| nenolod | gnats is 1980s | Oct 17 15:33 |
| nenolod | mantis is just god awful | Oct 17 15:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | and trac is just... bleh | Oct 17 15:33 |
| nenolod | trac is limited | Oct 17 15:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | trac is half a solution | Oct 17 15:33 |
| nenolod | redmine is better than trac but a rails app | Oct 17 15:33 |
| nenolod | so we know what happens there | Oct 17 15:33 |
| nenolod | bugs genie is WTF | Oct 17 15:34 |
| nenolod | flyspray is ok, but the UI is horrible | Oct 17 15:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | redmine is fucking lol | Oct 17 15:34 |
| nenolod | roundup pretty much sucks in all possible ways | Oct 17 15:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | look at it the wrong way, and there goes your entire server | Oct 17 15:34 |
| nenolod | request tracker is lolz | Oct 17 15:34 |
| nenolod | have i missed any? | Oct 17 15:34 |
| nenolod | i'm not asking for much here | Oct 17 15:35 |
| nenolod | i just want a UI that doesn't make my eyes bleed | Oct 17 15:35 |
| nenolod | and isn't a rails app | Oct 17 15:35 |
| nenolod | redmine would be great | Oct 17 15:35 |
| nenolod | but alas, rails | Oct 17 15:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Oct 17 15:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'd almost be worth redoing redmine in java | Oct 17 15:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | but bleh | Oct 17 15:36 |
| nenolod | they did that | Oct 17 15:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one knows enough rails to try | Oct 17 15:36 |
| nenolod | it's called JIRA | Oct 17 15:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | heeeh | Oct 17 15:36 |
| nenolod | i can say this | Oct 17 15:38 |
| nenolod | if bkuhn or any of those guys ever chastizes me for using JIRA, i'll go knock them out | Oct 17 15:38 |
| nenolod | baseball bats are a great solution for trolling problems | Oct 17 15:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh the _Stock_ Nexus One is missing the FM radio if that matters ? Also space available on the phone itself is kinda less ~ 188 MB | Oct 17 15:38 | |
| Diablo-D3 | remind them sun, apache, redhat, and a few others use it | Oct 17 15:38 |
| MadRobot | Hi all. | Oct 17 15:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | MadRobot: what. | Oct 17 15:39 |
| nenolod | redhat uses bugzilla | Oct 17 15:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | redhat uses jira too | Oct 17 15:39 |
| MadRobot | Diablo-D3, ?? | Oct 17 15:39 |
| nenolod | why don't they move fedora over to it | Oct 17 15:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: probably too much of a pita | Oct 17 15:39 |
| nenolod | where is redhat's jira | Oct 17 15:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh since apps2SD came in with froyo, that is relatively moot. Also the possible tinkering and it still being "the google phone" | Oct 17 15:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh I really like it, cant complain but its my first ever smartphone, so I cant compare it to any other. What are your requirements ? | Oct 17 15:40 | |
| Diablo-D3 | nenolod: it might be jboss shit only | Oct 17 15:40 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 15:41 |
| nenolod | it's jira.jboss.org | Oct 17 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | but jboss is redhat now | Oct 17 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo, redhat has jira | Oct 17 15:41 |
| *MadRobot has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Oct 17 15:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yes! Sex scene!!! :D Unfortunately I'm not in it.... :( | Oct 17 15:45 | |
| nenolod | man | Oct 17 15:46 |
| nenolod | i should just | Oct 17 15:46 |
| nenolod | fork the android email app | Oct 17 15:46 |
| nenolod | and fix it | Oct 17 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | the gmail one? its not open source. | Oct 17 15:46 |
| nenolod | no, AOSP comes with an app | Oct 17 15:47 |
| nenolod | called | Oct 17 15:47 |
| nenolod | "Email" | Oct 17 15:47 |
| nenolod | it's for checking email on an IMAP/POP3/Exchange/Groupwise server | Oct 17 15:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Oct 17 15:48 |
| nenolod | i still maintain that negative advertising is only profitable in the short term | Oct 17 15:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | thankfully Novemeber is almost here | Oct 17 15:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohoho | Oct 17 15:50 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Goals of the Keyring and Seahorse Projects | Stef Walter http://ping.fm/pzSFd | Oct 17 16:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Took a little time this morning to do something I haven't done a while: read a book, Tim O'Brien's memoir "The Things They Carried." | Oct 17 16:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: @Aaditya025 It will be great if you send me the mail about bugs so that i can correct. Thanks http://bit.ly/bGmH2h | Oct 17 16:08 | |
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| Viper550 | So, I hear MTS, a Manitoba phone company, is going lazy and stopping its own email services | Oct 17 16:13 |
| Viper550 | guess who they're outsourcing it to | Oct 17 16:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Mandlebroth died, aged 85. | Oct 17 16:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @fabsh depends which part of the world you live in ;) Out here FM radio is quite popular ! (although I am not a terribly big fan tbh) | Oct 17 16:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] TaintDroid code released http://lwn.net/Articles/410331/rss | Oct 17 16:14 | |
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| roy_ | Viper550: infosys? | Oct 17 16:15 |
| *roy_ jokes | Oct 17 16:15 | |
| Viper550 | no, they're forcing everyone with MTS email addresses ... to convert them to windows live hotmail. | Oct 17 16:15 |
| roy_ | That's where Microsoft moves internal ops | Oct 17 16:15 |
| roy_ | hotmail is where mail comes to fry | Oct 17 16:16 |
| Viper550 | on a related note, MTS already uses MS's IPTV software too | Oct 17 16:16 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] I have just done four hours of the international artworld. It was fun. Will take a while to process. #frieze | Oct 17 16:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Iceweasel Has To Restart http://bit.ly/bcdHWd - I gotta say, PyRoom is excellent for creating blog posts | Oct 17 16:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Iceweasel Has To Restart | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 14.88 KB | Oct 17 16:17 |
| Viper550 | http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=111626&highlight=hotmail | Oct 17 16:17 |
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| roy_ | So no big deal. Microsoft bedfellow just stays in bed | Oct 17 16:18 |
| roy_ | Would be worrisome if they switched beds | Oct 17 16:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @carlopiana I mean: Mandelbrot died aged 85 | Oct 17 16:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] “cd foo && make” have to die! Learn to use #make parameters! It's “make -C foo” or even better within Makefiles “$(MAKE) -C foo” !gentoo | Oct 17 16:18 | |
| roy_ | ok, i'll do a post about mts next week | Oct 17 16:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Basenji Gets A Scanner Daemon Which Automatically Adds Inserted Volumes To The Database http://bit.ly/cgqcnR | Oct 17 16:20 | |
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| roy_ | "I ditched Windoze for !Fedora. Is that good too? :)" http://identi.ca/notice/56447706 | Oct 17 16:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ben Trein (bentrein)'s status on Sunday, 17-Oct-10 10:41:40 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.01 KB | Oct 17 16:21 |
| roy_ | That's excellent. | Oct 17 16:21 |
| roy_ | identica is a FOSS/FS heaven | Oct 17 16:21 |
| roy_ | Viper550: in http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=111626&highlight=hotmail .... | Oct 17 16:25 |
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| roy_ | The favicon looks like it wasa pulled out of some disc recovery proggy from win 3.1 days | Oct 17 16:25 |
| Viper550 | oh, last pages looks like that MTS found a way to screw this up | Oct 17 16:26 |
| roy_ | Viper550: BTW... | Oct 17 16:27 |
| roy_ | I was kind of right the first time | Oct 17 16:27 |
| roy_ | About mail being sent to infosys | Oct 17 16:27 |
| roy_ | Remember who may run Hotmail soon (or already) | Oct 17 16:27 |
| roy_ | Not to mention Hotmail foundee | Oct 17 16:28 |
| roy_ | *der | Oct 17 16:28 |
| roy_ | "@schestowitz wow, I never thought I was going to see the downfold of ms internet browser dominance." http://identi.ca/conversation/55960373#notice-56470212 | Oct 17 16:36 |
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| roy_ | http://identi.ca/conversation/55971625#notice-56480245 "Microsoft shouldn't get the chance to say this; again saying #open_source can lend ethical credence to immoral people" | Oct 17 16:37 |
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| *roy_ is now known as schestowitz | Oct 17 16:37 | |
| schestowitz | Open source to proprietary 'champions' is what plating trees is to Energy Giants | Oct 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | *planting | Oct 17 16:40 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/56480395 "Wait, WHAT? This is hilarious: "open source will ruin your life!" #opensource" | Oct 17 16:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Joel Adamson (trashbird1240)'s status on Sunday, 17-Oct-10 15:08:17 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.96 KB | Oct 17 16:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/66793 | Oct 17 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Research: Microsoft is nearly invisible in the mainstream press | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 86.29 KB | Oct 17 16:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Research: Microsoft is nearly invisible in the mainstream press http://ur1.ca/23h7j Why I no longer track Microsoft much | Oct 17 16:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Business Software Alliance pressuring the European Commission to remove support for Open Standards. http://bit.ly/91CmfG /by @cshirky | Oct 17 16:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Freesoftware should respond more quickly to the threat of #FogComputing , including those online DBs that people throw personal info into | Oct 17 16:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Business Software Alliance has been attacking standards in Europe for several years now, with _public_ submissions. cc @silner #swpats | Oct 17 16:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] lol, misheard "benefit fraud" mentioned on !5live as "elephant fraud" which brought a whole new image to mind !plotidea | Oct 17 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @gotunandan What I mean is that it is redundant. You can get all that content over the web anyway. | Oct 17 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Benefits of open Development http://font.ubuntu.com/rupee/ #ubuntu #font #rupee (via @nigelbabu) | Oct 17 16:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The next big language http://j.mp/bF5xGg /by @newsycombinator | Oct 17 16:55 | |
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| schestowitz | nenolod: got an identica account? | Oct 17 17:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @schestowitz Research: Microsoft is nearly invisible in the mainstream press http://ur1.ca/23h7j Why I no longer track Microsoft much | Oct 17 17:01 | |
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| Ender2070 | ThistleWeb - stop being a noob and implying iceweasel is hiding stuff from you | Oct 17 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | so where does it tell me? | Oct 17 17:02 |
| schestowitz | iceweasel is a real weasel! | Oct 17 17:02 |
| Ender2070 | you think debian is doing something evil to you? | Oct 17 17:02 |
| ThistleWeb | you tell me it's not hiding stuff, so I ask you where it tells me? | Oct 17 17:02 |
| Ender2070 | why claim they are doing defarious deeds | Oct 17 17:02 |
| ThistleWeb | if you know, why not tell me where it tells me? | Oct 17 17:03 |
| Ender2070 | where does firefox tell you | Oct 17 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I can't see anywhere it tells me what it's updtaing, removing etc on that dialog box, or the addons box | Oct 17 17:03 |
| Ender2070 | go to the same place you would in firefox | Oct 17 17:03 |
| ThistleWeb | firefox never gave me that dialog box | Oct 17 17:03 |
| Ender2070 | then its a bug | Oct 17 17:04 |
| ThistleWeb | only iceweasel does | Oct 17 17:04 |
| Ender2070 | stop being a tool and shoting DEBIANS EVIL | Oct 17 17:04 |
| Ender2070 | all you're doing is smearing it with allegations of wrong-doing | Oct 17 17:04 |
| ThistleWeb | you'll note I asked if anyone could tell me what it was trying to do | Oct 17 17:04 |
| Ender2070 | its likely a bug, file it | Oct 17 17:04 |
| ThistleWeb | since it wasn't saying what it was doing | Oct 17 17:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Concerned Taxpayers of America supported by only two donors - http://wapo.st/bopnZN made my day... (via @Mlsif) #us | Oct 17 17:05 | |
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| Ender2070 | look, iceweasel does everything firefox does | Oct 17 17:05 |
| Ender2070 | and if its doing something strange, its a bug | Oct 17 17:05 |
| Ender2070 | file the bug, stop bitching about it, Debian isn't doing anything nefarious | Oct 17 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | <Ender2070> stop being a tool and shoting DEBIANS EVIL << it's nice of you to represent me accurately......is what I'd be saying if you actually did | Oct 17 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | but hey, we can't expect mirciles now can we | Oct 17 17:06 |
| Ender2070 | http://thistleweb.co.uk/blog/17/10/2010/iceweasel-has-restart | Oct 17 17:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Iceweasel Has To Restart | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 14.89 KB | Oct 17 17:06 |
| ThistleWeb | quote my text that states "DEBIAN IS EVIL" in shouty terms | Oct 17 17:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I uploaded some photos I took at the LOK (Linux in the Education Conference) http://goo.gl/6j54 !ubuntuhu #locoteams | Oct 17 17:07 | |
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| Ender2070 | your whining about a bug and trying to demonize debian for it | Oct 17 17:07 |
| ThistleWeb | evil is a religious term, I have never used it in company / project terms | Oct 17 17:08 |
| Ender2070 | in a sense you're claiming wrong doing | Oct 17 17:08 |
| ThistleWeb | I also rarely shout either in blog posts | Oct 17 17:08 |
| Ender2070 | like they do it on purpose | Oct 17 17:08 |
| Ender2070 | you | Oct 17 17:08 |
| Ender2070 | stop being so literal | Oct 17 17:08 |
| ThistleWeb | I was pointing out an issue I found in iceweasel in debian | Oct 17 17:08 |
| ThistleWeb | an "odd" issue | Oct 17 17:08 |
| Ender2070 | i never quoted you | Oct 17 17:08 |
| ThistleWeb | I specifically remembered using the word "odd" | Oct 17 17:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @bkuhn one correction in the blog post, Mark Shuttleworth made those comments here: http://ur1.ca/23he7 just thought you should know :) | Oct 17 17:08 | |
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| Ender2070 | It's an odd practice for Debian too, who are very open and transparent by design. | Oct 17 17:09 |
| ThistleWeb | yes | Oct 17 17:09 |
| ThistleWeb | they are | Oct 17 17:09 |
| Ender2070 | This seems a very Windows-like practice to adopt. Can anyone explain what Iceweasel is actually doing and why it's required to hide it from the user? | Oct 17 17:09 |
| Ender2070 | why it's required to hide it from the user? | Oct 17 17:09 |
| Ender2070 | its not | Oct 17 17:09 |
| Ender2070 | its called a bug | Oct 17 17:09 |
| ThistleWeb | k, so it's a bug, will it get picked up and fixed now? probably | Oct 17 17:10 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's all good | Oct 17 17:10 |
| Ender2070 | did you grab the latest iceweasel from debian experimental and try | Oct 17 17:10 |
| ThistleWeb | no, I used the one in the squeeze repos | Oct 17 17:10 |
| Ender2070 | your blog isn't a debian bugzilla | Oct 17 17:10 |
| Ender2070 | debian experimental has the latest 3.6.10 iceweasel | Oct 17 17:10 |
| Ender2070 | im converting it to fedora so I know | Oct 17 17:11 |
| ThistleWeb | no it's not, but debian people won't just reasd their own stuff I'd imagine | Oct 17 17:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://picasaweb.google.com/mogorvamormota/LOK2010Budapest# | Oct 17 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: http://picasaweb.google.com/mogorvamormota/LOK2010Budapest#5528962351647425650 | Oct 17 17:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Rooibos vanilla #tea... I love rooibos tea! <3 | Oct 17 17:22 | |
| amarsh04 | iceweasel/firefox will advise that it should be restarted if one of the libraries/packages it depends on has changed - I usually restart it a bit later after I've re-run prelink | Oct 17 17:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kirotv.com/news/25382502/detail.html | Oct 17 17:30 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] The conference yesterday was awesome. I had the chance to demonstrate !Unity and GNOME Shell live. They were new for most of the audience. | Oct 17 17:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Impact of Open Notebook Science - http://bit.ly/cZL4j0 great interview With Jean-Claude Bradley (via @P2P_Foundation) #openscience | Oct 17 17:30 | |
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| schestowitz | Rebooting Nancy Pelosi http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2010/10/15/nancy-pelosi-visits-microsoft | Oct 17 17:31 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Angry Birds: 1 Million Downloads in 1 Day - http://bit.ly/aeRd2s what's that about no games for Linux? #android #gaming | Oct 17 17:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody no _Windows_ games on GNU/Linux. As in, my "winmodem doesn't work in Linux" | Oct 17 17:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core - http://bit.ly/c64Pg0 a nice denial of this would be welcome... #ubuntu #canonical | Oct 17 17:37 | |
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| Ender2070 | so hes bitching about pre-released software in pre-released repos in a pre-released distro | Oct 17 17:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kirotv.com/news/25382502/detail.html | Oct 17 17:38 |
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| schestowitz | oops. Wrong link | Oct 17 17:38 |
| Ender2070 | that has a bug | Oct 17 17:38 |
| Ender2070 | and hes insisting debian is doing evil | Oct 17 17:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back from rehearsals. Now back to podcast editing... | Oct 17 17:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody Mac Asay raved about 'open' core before Canonical took him on. | Oct 17 17:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @schestowitz indeed: *he* did *before*: the issue is what is happening now at the top, no? | Oct 17 17:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] This is something for @mjasay to [confirm|deny]: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core http://ur1.ca/23h7z | Oct 17 17:42 | |
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| schestowitz | *LOL http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101014005296/en/IDC-Credit-Microsoft-Creating-Unique-Replicating-Competition | Oct 17 17:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: IDC Gives Credit to Microsoft for Creating Something Unique Rather than Replicating the Competition | Business Wire .::. Size~: 69.23 KB | Oct 17 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Pay to say | Oct 17 17:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody I've inquired | Oct 17 17:44 | |
| *Viper550 (~lirodon@wikipedia/ViperSnake151) has left #techrights ("Leaving") | Oct 17 17:44 | |
| ThistleWeb | amarsh04: re-run prelink? wtf is that? | Oct 17 17:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] William Shatner worries about global warming - http://bit.ly/alU7yb I'm surprised and impressed #climatechange #startrek | Oct 17 17:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody and for the record, the UbuntuOne Fog Computing thing (paying for hosting) is OK with me, as long as server side is libre | Oct 17 17:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Starship meets #AdobeTrash [IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/edyson/5087675832 | Oct 17 17:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Soldier who served in Vietnam denied Second Amendment Rights because of $100 fine before he went to Vietnam http://ur1.ca/23hpn #wtf | Oct 17 17:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: In The Neutral Zone | Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 77.32 KB | Oct 17 17:47 |
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| amarsh04 | prelink is a program that "modifies ELF shared libraries and ELF dynamically linked binaries in such a way that the time needed for the dynamic linker to perform relocations at startup significantly decreases" | Oct 17 17:47 |
| ThistleWeb | uhm.....k | Oct 17 17:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody Shatner is right. A lot of people make a lot of money (e.g. selling books) for reinforcing+enhancing people's ignorance | Oct 17 17:48 | |
| amarsh04 | I think most distros include prelink | Oct 17 17:49 |
| amarsh04 | some install it to run as a cron job | Oct 17 17:49 |
| ThistleWeb | so why would this appear in debian but not on ubuntu / mint? | Oct 17 17:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] culinary lessons for life: Anything is a meal when wrapped in a tortilla :P | Oct 17 17:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @schestowitz: This is something for @mjasay to [confirm|deny]: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core http://ur1.ca/23h7z | Oct 17 17:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Delicious Bookmark: CRTL strcat Example: http://bit.ly/a32liw | Oct 17 17:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @schestowitz indeed; but I had always rather written him off in terms of serious stuff - my misjudgement... | Oct 17 17:50 | |
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| amarsh04 | maybe either an update or prelink was running in the background when iceweasel was running | Oct 17 17:51 |
| ThistleWeb | it just appears to be so random, with no info on why | Oct 17 17:52 |
| amarsh04 | I disabled automatic updates and automatic prelinking, so that they happen when I deliberately choose to do them | Oct 17 17:52 |
| ThistleWeb | that's what confused me, no addon updates, nothing marked in the addon dialog as a reason, no "just updated" | Oct 17 17:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan I'm in Spain where they still charge you 2-400€ for the latest phones even with contract, so basically cheapest Android. | Oct 17 17:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How Xerox Invented the Information Age (and Gave it Away) | Cracked.com http://ping.fm/B9BPK | Oct 17 17:53 | |
| Ender2070 | its called a bug | Oct 17 17:54 |
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| Ender2070 | you're running testing | Oct 17 17:54 |
| Ender2070 | its a no brainer | Oct 17 17:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @gotunandan, thanks for pointing it out. I've fixed blog post (& credited you with pointing it out). OMG !Ubuntu's reformatting confused me. | Oct 17 17:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Wonder why many apps in #Android market have access to position and internet apparently w/o real need | Oct 17 17:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @bkuhn Uff, that link leads to spam city!! :( *shudder* | Oct 17 17:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @richslxh,yeah,I didn't notice that until after typing it. I guess #StatusNet @support hasn't had time to maintain that site since launching | Oct 17 18:00 | |
| *lightpriest_ (~orc@62.219.152.133) has left #techrights | Oct 17 18:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Crackle launches first full movie service application on !Android | Android Central http://ping.fm/BnFsZ | Oct 17 18:05 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: Ina Freak spin: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20019143-56.html | Oct 17 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft pretends it was an accident | Oct 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | That's the "damage control" | Oct 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | in MSNBC too | Oct 17 18:10 |
| schestowitz | The very INDEPENDENT news site | Oct 17 18:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: I am Open Source Consultant and own a start-up company ! Do let me know if you need better services and... http://bit.ly/cGjRDD | Oct 17 18:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Motorola asks court to invalidate Apple patents, preempt another lawsuit - http://ur1.ca/23gih - gonna see more of that. | Oct 17 18:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @nsisodiya excellent! | Oct 17 18:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] jQuery + OData + Netflix Catalog API demo: http://bit.ly/9pwC5Z | Oct 17 18:14 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fonearena.com/blog/24394/verizon-ceo-dumps-microsoft.html | Oct 17 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/business/123470/microsoft-rim-deal-might-have-merit | Oct 17 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Two proprietary ones | Oct 17 18:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @bkuhn no problem. Your posts are highly informative and are a good read :) | Oct 17 18:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Buying Adobe Is "Nonsense," Says Kara Swisher http://ur1.ca/23i0x Might Adobe buy Microsoft one day? | Oct 17 18:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @glynmoody, Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming. | Oct 17 18:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh Ahh... do a bit more research and see which one suits you. I chose the n1 because it is given preference by google and is hackable | Oct 17 18:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | I Think I May Have Reported A Bug http://bit.ly/cL0jZl | Oct 17 18:25 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/361732/ubuntu-we-wont-moan-to-eu-about-microsoft | Oct 17 18:29 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] #Epic #Win what happens when you violate GPL http://lwn.net/Articles/409864/ #HTC | Oct 17 18:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bkuhn Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming. | Oct 17 18:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[geekybodhi/@geekybodhi] If you sometimes deliberately act dumb, are you being smart? | Oct 17 18:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @pmate Star Wars in #ascii-art: http://ur1.ca/23i3i !debian !debianizzati | Oct 17 18:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG, why? Why? Why do people do such a terrible thing like that? And by the way, why is this featured on OMG! Ubuntu!? http://goo.gl/Ot2S | Oct 17 18:33 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: "Will support all relevant platforms" - So then thats Windows Phone 7 off the list.... | Oct 17 18:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 18:44 |
| MinceR | along with hypeOS | Oct 17 18:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan I don't mind paying 100 bucks as long as I get net/web access + apps, hackable is always a plus :) | Oct 17 18:44 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/10/05/a-microsoft-slate-by-christmas-ceo-promises/ | Oct 17 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | Watch photo | Oct 17 18:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: don't insult BSD developers' hard labour | Oct 17 18:45 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it's not the BSD developers' work that made hypeOS irrelevant | Oct 17 18:45 |
| schestowitz | It's not their fault Blows took their work and raised expectations | Oct 17 18:45 |
| MinceR | it's the crApple marketroids' hard work at turning the result of the BSD developers' hard work into something useless and hostile | Oct 17 18:46 |
| schestowitz | http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/soundeconomywithjontalton/2013077894_goldman_only_wants_good_things.html | Oct 17 18:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sound Economy with Jon Talton | Goldman only wants good things for Microsoft. Really... | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 53.58 KB | Oct 17 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Corruptors' sympathy | Oct 17 18:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New Oh !Canada blog post: "Must Read" http://ur1.ca/23i9g !BillC32 #RadicalExtremism #BalancedCopyright #geist #IrwinLaw !copyright | Oct 17 18:49 | |
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| gnufreex | schestowitz: Which companies are making WP7 devices? (Ones that anounced) | Oct 17 18:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] To all music lovers from !crunchbang !debian !linux groups, get yourselves over to !rr Live tonight Web & IRC http://ratholeradio.org/live/ | Oct 17 18:54 | |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft persuaded Samsung | Oct 17 18:54 |
| gnufreex | That's it? | Oct 17 18:54 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft was like, "ow.... I don't know... you're kind of ugly" | Oct 17 18:54 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: HTC | Oct 17 18:54 |
| gnufreex | Oh yes.. | Oct 17 18:54 |
| schestowitz | After threat of lawsuit over Android | Oct 17 18:54 |
| MinceR | HTC needs to grow a pair | Oct 17 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Samsung and LG are big MSFT buddies | Oct 17 18:55 |
| schestowitz | LG just signed some Fog Computing deal with the Voled | Oct 17 18:55 |
| schestowitz | *Vole | Oct 17 18:55 |
| MinceR | s/uddi/itch/ | Oct 17 18:55 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Oct 17 18:55 |
| schestowitz | And they have swpats | Oct 17 18:55 |
| gnufreex | So nobody voluntarily suports Vista Phone 7 | Oct 17 18:55 |
| schestowitz | They were the first to sign a ballnux deal... 2007 | Oct 17 18:55 |
| MinceR | nobody voluntarily cares about kin7 | Oct 17 18:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Payment sofr Android/Bad-A | Oct 17 18:55 |
| gnufreex | Maybe Novell make a phone | Oct 17 18:56 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 17 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Oct 17 18:56 |
| schestowitz | They can't even make software | Oct 17 18:56 |
| gnufreex | They fit a description | Oct 17 18:56 |
| schestowitz | They make .NET copycat | Oct 17 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "Tell us what you do Microsoft" | Oct 17 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "Give us some MS-PLed code" | Oct 17 18:56 |
| gnufreex | It doesn't need to really work. It doesn't have copy/pase anyways. | Oct 17 18:57 |
| schestowitz | "We'll slap a monkey piccie on it and sell it for the hypeCrowd" | Oct 17 18:57 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: it's a FEATURE | Oct 17 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Remember: | Oct 17 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Copying="piracy" | Oct 17 18:57 |
| gnufreex | "We don't infringe. And we forbid our users, too" | Oct 17 18:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/03/21/dumbed-down-tablets-or-phones/ | Oct 17 18:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Are Proprietary Software Users Too Dangerous for Copying and Pasting? | Techrights .::. Size~: 109.5 KB | Oct 17 18:58 |
| schestowitz | And later: http://techrights.org/2010/10/12/heavily-marketed-relics/ | Oct 17 18:58 |
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| gnufreex | Windows is for kidz. Now we have proof. | Oct 17 18:58 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: I had a one-hour chat with a friend over it this evening | Oct 17 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Basically, he's brainwashed by the copyright cartel | Oct 17 18:58 |
| schestowitz | It took me time to undo the brainwash | Oct 17 18:59 |
| schestowitz | And he also thinks that the Internet in 10 years will be all censorship-based | Oct 17 18:59 |
| gnufreex | Oh dear | Oct 17 18:59 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: Vita Phone 7 is like crayon | Oct 17 19:00 |
| schestowitz | You can chew it and no poison control needed | Oct 17 19:00 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: but it came from another direction | Oct 17 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Not wikileaks and all | Oct 17 19:01 |
| schestowitz | It started with kids getting to pr0n and death pics by accident | Oct 17 19:01 |
| schestowitz | e.g. Google Images | Oct 17 19:01 |
| schestowitz | And I knew this guy as a kid, back when kids had to find the dirty magazines to get access to such material | Oct 17 19:01 |
| gnufreex | lol | Oct 17 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Now you have very young kids seeing this stuff | Oct 17 19:02 |
| schestowitz | LOLWTF? http://views.washingtonpost.com/on-success/rapid-reinvention/2010/10/_erin_honeycomb_is_a.html | Oct 17 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Going for It: Rapid Reinvention: Yoga with Microsoft's Erin Honeycutt - Avis Thomas-Lester .::. Size~: 45.44 KB | Oct 17 19:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @bkuhn Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming. | Oct 17 19:03 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/should-microsoft-become-multiple-mini-microsofts/7560 | Oct 17 19:05 |
| gnufreex | WTF is this? | Oct 17 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Should Microsoft become multiple mini-Microsofts? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 136.65 KB | Oct 17 19:05 |
| gnufreex | They do yogi with Microsofties? | Oct 17 19:05 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: #pressfail | Oct 17 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Yugo | Oct 17 19:05 |
| schestowitz | All Rights Reserved | Oct 17 19:05 |
| gnufreex | lol, Yugo | Oct 17 19:06 |
| gnufreex | Best car ever | Oct 17 19:06 |
| ThistleWeb | smarter than the average car? | Oct 17 19:06 |
| ThistleWeb | yayeeee | Oct 17 19:06 |
| gnufreex | no, the dumbest | Oct 17 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has yoga-fu http://kotaku.com/5654739/microsoft-japan-employee-arrested-for-fondling-a-schoolgirl | Oct 17 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Japan Employee Arrested For Fondling A Schoolgirl .::. Size~: 78.96 KB | Oct 17 19:07 |
| ThistleWeb | didn't get the yogi bear joke then | Oct 17 19:07 |
| schestowitz | http://topnews.net.nz/content/28625-microsoft-catches-nz-web-sites-and-it-can-get-real-ugly | Oct 17 19:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft catches NZ web sites and it can get real ugly | TopNews New Zealand .::. Size~: 32.55 KB | Oct 17 19:08 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: http://www.twice.com/article/457897-Samsung_Microsoft_Sign_Win_7_Pact.php | Oct 17 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Samsung, Microsoft Sign Win 7 Pact - 2010-10-01 18:17:18 | TWICE .::. Size~: 51.32 KB | Oct 17 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft got sweaty and Samsung got cold feet | Oct 17 19:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Did Facebook fuck up AGAIN privacy-wise? Oo | Oct 17 19:10 | |
| gnufreex | Yeah, Samsung had their OS | Oct 17 19:10 |
| gnufreex | Bada or something | Oct 17 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Ina Freak spin: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20018286-56.html | Oct 17 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft promotes three to division president | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 105.76 KB | Oct 17 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Reality: exodus | Oct 17 19:11 |
| cubevector | wow that's a way better name than crappa | Oct 17 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Spin: WOW! Promot~1~~~ | Oct 17 19:12 |
| gnufreex | Does Motorla have cross-deal with Samsung? They should hit them. | Oct 17 19:12 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: Bad-A | Oct 17 19:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR calls it that | Oct 17 19:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Dude.... I had maybe one hour free time this weekend... With all the Audacity fail I've been editing for over 16 hrs straight now. | Oct 17 19:12 | |
| cubevector | got a mic today, so experimenting :) | Oct 17 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It's a skinned Android | Oct 17 19:12 |
| MinceR | Bad A is just a reskinned android? | Oct 17 19:12 |
| gnufreex | Really? | Oct 17 19:12 |
| MinceR | i thought it was brand new | Oct 17 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Can you skin an Android? | Oct 17 19:12 |
| gnufreex | I also thought it is new | Oct 17 19:12 |
| schestowitz | They usually have metallic finish | Oct 17 19:13 |
| gnufreex | Also read somewhere that is microkernel or such | Oct 17 19:13 |
| gnufreex | But all lies | Oct 17 19:13 |
| MinceR | if you can skin a GUI then you can also skin an android | Oct 17 19:13 |
| MinceR | gnufreex: nope, it's Linux-based | Oct 17 19:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: lowercase android | Oct 17 19:13 |
| schestowitz | They are not furry | Oct 17 19:13 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Hannibaloid | Oct 17 19:14 |
| schestowitz | SweatyB has reasons to leap http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101001-709079.html | Oct 17 19:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft CEO's Compensation Rose 5.5% To $1.4M In Latest Year - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 126.24 KB | Oct 17 19:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/10/01/243120/BAE-Systems-readies-desktop-and-Microsoft-App-V-virtualisation-with.htm | Oct 17 19:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BAE Systems readies desktop and Microsoft App-V virtualisation with Camwood - 10/1/2010 - Computer Weekly .::. Size~: 68.97 KB | Oct 17 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Who ever started this stupid rumour? http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/10/1/microsoft-rumoured-be-buying-linden-lab/ | Oct 17 19:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 17 19:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Second-Life-Linden-Lab-Mark-Kingdon-virtual-World-Xbox,11402.html | Oct 17 19:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft May Buy Second Life Developer .::. Size~: 111.2 KB | Oct 17 19:16 |
| gnufreex | It is amusing how obvious Microsoft shills are denying in comments. It is becoming hard to cover up the obvious. | Oct 17 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Funny logo: http://technologizer.com/2010/09/30/how-many-spaces-users-are-there-anyhow/ | Oct 17 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How Many Spaces Users Are There, Anyhow? .::. Size~: 45.81 KB | Oct 17 19:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft fraud examiner selling Redmond 4BD http://ur1.ca/23iht, Has he been looking inside his employer? | Oct 17 19:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How propaganda is disseminated: WikiLeaks Edition - http://bit.ly/cWLd6F good blog report on newspaper failings (via @dangillmor) #irony | Oct 17 19:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ur1 Generator .::. Size~: 1.93 KB | Oct 17 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How propaganda is disseminated: WikiLeaks Edition - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com .::. Size~: 85.52 KB | Oct 17 19:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techeye.net/business/billy-goats-unite-behind-microsoft | Oct 17 19:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Billy goats unite behind Microsoft - To clear out patent trolls | TechEye .::. Size~: 25.76 KB | Oct 17 19:22 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Did you read bkuhn comment on shuttleworth? | Oct 17 19:22 |
| gnufreex | I think we have the reason why UF are hostile to free sofware | Oct 17 19:22 |
| gnufreex | They want community that would accept OpenCore | Oct 17 19:22 |
| gnufreex | as Good Thing | Oct 17 19:22 |
| schestowitz | OK, this is weird... | Oct 17 19:24 |
| gnufreex | So anyone who advocates free software is threat to canonical | Oct 17 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Why does Google say it indexed 73,700 pages in techright? | Oct 17 19:24 |
| schestowitz | *right | Oct 17 19:24 |
| schestowitz | *>rights | Oct 17 19:24 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: naaa | Oct 17 19:24 |
| schestowitz | You think too far | Oct 17 19:24 |
| schestowitz | And I don't like Kuhn | Oct 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Conceited New Yorker | Oct 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | And self righteous at that... | Oct 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | he always looks for dirt on Ubuntu | Oct 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | I can only guess why | Oct 17 19:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh Sheesh! Ok, i'll take that back, this time you have been busy! :) | Oct 17 19:25 | |
| gnufreex | I think he nailed it pretty well. | Oct 17 19:25 |
| schestowitz | lolz http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2779793 | Oct 17 19:28 |
| gnufreex | They want to make open core stuff, they don't care for community. They are effectively breaking community. Also, Teo Tso wrote on LWN.net same thing some time ago. | Oct 17 19:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Has Microsoft developed the best browser ever? - Peterborough Examiner - Ontario, CA .::. Size~: 78.26 KB | Oct 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: re Ubuntu? | Oct 17 19:29 |
| gnufreex | Yes | Oct 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | He also complained about Debian "jihad" or something | Oct 17 19:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google is being strange today, claiming to have indexed 73,600 pages in !techrights even though we have ~15,000 | Oct 17 19:29 | |
| schestowitz | T'so is Google now, right? | Oct 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | From IBM | Oct 17 19:29 |
| gnufreex | He was talking about Shuttleworth in that reply. | Oct 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | They are like Linus... don't care about freedom | Oct 17 19:29 |
| gnufreex | Yes, Tso is at Google. | Oct 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Tso=Android | Oct 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Hypocrite! | Oct 17 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Canonical is more free than Google | Oct 17 19:30 |
| gnufreex | You sound like lefty: jra=android; google firewal | Oct 17 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Then there's JRA | Oct 17 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Oct 17 19:30 |
| schestowitz | beat me to it | Oct 17 19:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] NCIS taking on chat roulette? That show really loves its Internet memes.... :) | Oct 17 19:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh ;) I hope I get some time to chill tomorrow so I can tackle our !minecraft server.... | Oct 17 19:30 | |
| schestowitz | But.. | Oct 17 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I was looking for a way to defend JRA here | Oct 17 19:30 |
| schestowitz | The press turns this agitator into an idol now.. | Oct 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/10/apples_enemy_is_microsofts_fri.php | Oct 17 19:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple's Enemy Is Microsoft's Friend - Seattle News - The Daily Weekly .::. Size~: 94.72 KB | Oct 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Seattle press | Oct 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft bribes her | Oct 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | She's posing like she's an east European wife for sale | Oct 17 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Probably some FB crap | Oct 17 19:31 |
| MinceR | DFB* | Oct 17 19:33 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: http://lwn.net/Articles/399380/ | Oct 17 19:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Copyright assignment - Once bitten, twice shy (The H) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 12.52 KB | Oct 17 19:33 |
| MinceR | what/who's JRA? | Oct 17 19:34 |
| gnufreex | Jeremy Allison | Oct 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Jerema | Oct 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | nm | Oct 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | JIRA! | Oct 17 19:35 |
| gnufreex | lol | Oct 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | [15:41] <Diablo-D3> ergo, redhat has jira | Oct 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | [15:41] <nenolod> it's jira.jboss.org | Oct 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | [15:40] <nenolod> where is redhat's jira | Oct 17 19:35 |
| schestowitz | What's my $%##@# name? | Oct 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Jigga! | Oct 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | And who I'm rollin' with? | Oct 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | My ... | Oct 17 19:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIA7tuBqqY | Oct 17 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Jay-Z - Jigga What, Jigga Who .::. Size~: 160.08 KB | Oct 17 19:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh You've got a minecraft server? Cool! I'm always up for testing Alpha games. | Oct 17 19:37 | |
| MinceR | Jigga Jigga! | Oct 17 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Yo Dawg, I herd you hard my JIRA has buffer overflows | Oct 17 19:38 |
| MinceR | Welcome to the main arena! | Oct 17 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Come debug my on my Benz | Oct 17 19:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh Talking of Chat Roulette, this guy is awesome: http://richs-lxh.com/chatroulette-guy-on-linux-penguin-chicken/ | Oct 17 19:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Chatroulette Guy on Linux Penguin = Chicken - Father, Husband, Linux Geek& .::. Size~: 29.03 KB | Oct 17 19:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @bkuhn that's particular notice reminds me of #Eben's "I didn’t have any date tonight. Everybody knows that. My calendar’s on the web." :) | Oct 17 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | http://seekingalpha.com/article/227519-steve-jobs-quest-for-global-dominance | Oct 17 19:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Steve Jobs' Quest for Global Dominance -- Seeking Alpha .::. Size~: 96.75 KB | Oct 17 19:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @richslxh @fabsh Talking of Chat Roulette, this guy is awesome: http://richs-lxh.com/chatroulette-guy-on-linux-penguin-chicken/ | Oct 17 19:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Chatroulette Guy on Linux Penguin = Chicken - Father, Husband, Linux Geek& .::. Size~: 29.03 KB | Oct 17 19:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www1.albawaba.com/news/microsoft-jordan-organizes-startup-pitch-session-cooperation-oasis500 | Oct 17 19:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Jordan organizes a Startup Pitch session in cooperation with Oasis500 | Al Bawaba .::. Size~: 37.58 KB | Oct 17 19:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @osamak: Oracle asked the founders of #TDF and LibreOffice to leave the OO.o Community Council http://ur1.ca/23crp !gnu | Oct 17 19:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 179.87 KB | Oct 17 19:45 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: i do, but i don't actually use it | Oct 17 19:47 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: i'm trying to figure out how to connect it and twitter | Oct 17 19:48 |
| schestowitz | never mind, in case you will... | Oct 17 19:49 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: it's simple | Oct 17 19:49 |
| schestowitz | identi.ca has option to carbon-copy to twitter acct | Oct 17 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I used to use ping.fm | Oct 17 19:49 |
| nenolod | yeah | Oct 17 19:49 |
| nenolod | i want the other direction | Oct 17 19:49 |
| nenolod | i like twitter's UI | Oct 17 19:49 |
| nenolod | identica's makes me sad | Oct 17 19:49 |
| *schestowitz adds http://identi.ca/nenolod | Oct 17 19:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: William Pitcock (nenolod) - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 14.4 KB | Oct 17 19:49 |
| nenolod | yes | Oct 17 19:49 |
| nenolod | i have 1 tweet | Oct 17 19:49 |
| nenolod | asking the current moron in charge of audacious in debian why he is ruining it | Oct 17 19:49 |
| nenolod | :D | Oct 17 19:49 |
| nenolod | actually | Oct 17 19:50 |
| nenolod | he is not so bad | Oct 17 19:50 |
| nenolod | he wants to replace emulation parts of audacious-plugins with GPLv2-only code that is more accurate | Oct 17 19:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Not yet..... ;) | Oct 17 19:51 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xml | Oct 17 19:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gentoo Linux Documentation-- The How and Why of XMMS removal .::. Size~: 10.52 KB | Oct 17 19:51 |
| schestowitz | "Audacious is a XMMS look-alike written in GTK 2. It supports XMMS skins but does not behave exactly like XMMS. Several plugins are available like audacious-docklet that displays an icon in the systemtray, audtty that allows you to control audacious in the command line, audacious-crossfade that allows continuous output and crossfading and a lot more to come or already available. There is a thread on the forums where you can request | Oct 17 19:52 |
| schestowitz | plugin ports." | Oct 17 19:52 |
| schestowitz | The Swedish guy had that funny photo for "goodbye Gentoo" | Oct 17 19:52 |
| nenolod | oh, with what's his name | Oct 17 19:52 |
| schestowitz | xmms hardly works anymore | Oct 17 19:52 |
| schestowitz | OSS | Oct 17 19:52 |
| schestowitz | somethingson | Oct 17 19:52 |
| nenolod | audacious supports multiple UIs | Oct 17 19:52 |
| nenolod | oh shit | Oct 17 19:53 |
| nenolod | i found "symantec revolution" | Oct 17 19:54 |
| nenolod | i forgot about this | Oct 17 19:54 |
| nenolod | i wonder if microsoft has a song like this | Oct 17 19:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-employees-bored-2010-9 | Oct 17 19:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Employees Are More Bored Than Ever .::. Size~: 163.98 KB | Oct 17 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Been hearing the same from brother's friend.. | Oct 17 19:54 |
| schestowitz | They die out of boredom | Oct 17 19:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/study_microsoft_has_fallen_off_the_mainstream_medias_radar.html | Oct 17 19:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Study: Microsoft has 'fallen off the mainstream media’s radar' .::. Size~: 55.56 KB | Oct 17 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Nonchalance kills them | Oct 17 19:54 |
| nenolod | http://nenolod.net/~nenolod/Symantec_Revolution.mp3 | Oct 17 19:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: nenolod.net .::. Size~: 34.41 KB | Oct 17 19:54 |
| nenolod | er | Oct 17 19:55 |
| schestowitz | mp3? | Oct 17 19:55 |
| schestowitz | mpeg-la | Oct 17 19:55 |
| nenolod | ok, and? | Oct 17 19:55 |
| schestowitz | It's a good thing we have firefox now | Oct 17 19:55 |
| schestowitz | So when I send people oggs they can play these | Oct 17 19:55 |
| nenolod | i'm not transcoding something that is already in mp3 | Oct 17 19:56 |
| amarsh04 | the only audio player that has lower cpu than xmms 1.2 that I've found has been moc (Music On Console) | Oct 17 19:56 |
| nenolod | plus most of the mp3 patents are expired | Oct 17 19:56 |
| nenolod | amarsh04: have you even tried audacious with gtkui? | Oct 17 19:56 |
| nenolod | it uses 0% CPU here | Oct 17 19:56 |
| nenolod | and i'm clocked down to 933mhz right now | Oct 17 19:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn Biggest difference between #Red_Hat and #Canonical is Red Hat shows some capacity to acknowledge and learn from mistakes | Oct 17 19:57 | |
| amarsh04 | not sure if it's packaged for Debian... audacious took an order of magnitude more cpu than xmms 1.2 | Oct 17 19:57 |
| schestowitz | mplayer from cli? | Oct 17 19:57 |
| schestowitz | not verbose | Oct 17 19:57 |
| amarsh04 | that is also a possibility schestowitz | Oct 17 19:57 |
| cubevector | first audio blog is done... just a short one | Oct 17 19:57 |
| cubevector | http://www.maxhost.org/other/audio-blog-1.mp3 | Oct 17 19:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Not a web page! Aborting audio/mpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 17 19:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana [RHT] Biggest difference between #Red_Hat and #Canonical is Red Hat shows some capacity to acknowledge and learn from mistakes | Oct 17 19:59 | |
| nenolod | symantec has a corporate theme song | Oct 17 19:59 |
| nenolod | i just want to remark how depressing that is | Oct 17 19:59 |
| nenolod | they probably paid like $250k for it too | Oct 17 20:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn it still feels like infighting. Canonical is not our real problem at the moment and @mjasay can clarify | Oct 17 20:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn #swpats are a bigger issue than #Open_Core IMHO. Far bigger. | Oct 17 20:01 | |
| schestowitz | "No more soup for you!!!" http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/34694/Microsoft-reduces-TechNet-keys http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/9/27/microsoft-drops-technet-key-allowance/ errr.... OK | Oct 17 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft reduces TechNet keys | PC Retail Industry | PCR .::. Size~: 32.94 KB | Oct 17 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 500 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR .::. Size~: 0 KB | Oct 17 20:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @schestowitz that is probably unfair of me. Rather I will just say: I think Canonical is making some bad policy decisions. | Oct 17 20:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fontana Red Hat's too sometimes. Fog Computing, software patents, NDAs over settlements, and the list goes on. Canonical is not much worse. | Oct 17 20:04 | |
| nenolod | i'm not sure what you mean by fog computing | Oct 17 20:04 |
| nenolod | EC2 or Google Apps? | Oct 17 20:04 |
| nenolod | i'm guessing Google Apps, since EC2 is just virtualization on demand tied up with an API | Oct 17 20:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn you mean the era of the Red Baron web browser :-) | Oct 17 20:05 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/362101/microsofting_juniper_networks/ | Oct 17 20:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Microsofting of Juniper Networks - software, router, Microsoft, LAN & WAN, juniper networks, Ethernet Switch, application development - ARN .::. Size~: 84.62 KB | Oct 17 20:08 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: data in someone else's hands | Oct 17 20:08 |
| nenolod | so Google Apps, then. | Oct 17 20:09 |
| schestowitz | As a phenomenon, yes | Oct 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=11694740 | Oct 17 20:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Raises Dividend, Authorizes More Debt - ABC News .::. Size~: 61.86 KB | Oct 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: too many Google fan[people] | Oct 17 20:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, I'd actually forgotten about #Red_Baron until you just mentioned it, but that was one proprietary app among *many* in old #RedHat. | Oct 17 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | Willing to subs foss for fog | Oct 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | the !microsoft crowd | Oct 17 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Apple | Oct 17 20:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] testing twitter <-> identi.ca integration, don't mind me. | Oct 17 20:12 | |
| nenolod | ok | Oct 17 20:12 |
| nenolod | wtf | Oct 17 20:12 |
| nenolod | oh | Oct 17 20:13 |
| nenolod | hey it works | Oct 17 20:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Can Art Do Technology And Social Change? - http://www.axisweb.org/dlForum.aspx?ESSAYID=18115 | Oct 17 20:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn at the same time, #Red_Hat pointed the way to a new direction with the release of RMS Linux, a historical turning point :-) | Oct 17 20:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] actually, as ugly as identi.ca's UI is, it's much faster than #newtwitter. i think i'll just post from it until i find a decent client. | Oct 17 20:14 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Can Art do Technology and Social Change? .::. Size~: 26.64 KB | Oct 17 20:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Having spent the afternoon at Frieze I now have nothing in the cupboard to eat. There's a lesson here about art that I refuse to acknowledge | Oct 17 20:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evil | Oct 17 20:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @fontana I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evil | Oct 17 20:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, PLEASE do write essay on why contribution agreements are #evil (although OTOH IMO it is possible to do a community-friendly one). | Oct 17 20:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "universal constructors" on Jamendo.com. go now. *now*. seriously. "lounge blizzard" and "wonky disco" FTW! ur1.ca/23iyk | Oct 17 20:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, IMO that's not a fair assessment of !Canonical Ltd b/c it's much younger than #Red_Hat. It may learn yet. (cf: Founder's syndrome) | Oct 17 20:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I don't have a problem with trusted FLOSS NPOs aggregating developer copyrights (I think you have influenced my thinking there) | Oct 17 20:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] "being always connected,always accessible or interruptible,&with music blaring most of the time, gets in the way of thinking" #Stroustrup !q | Oct 17 20:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, the key to that is doing the right kind of promise-back to developers what the non-profit organization can do with the code later. | Oct 17 20:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] @schestowitz #Open_Core (copyright reassignment) is a pretty big deal - it's one of the things that has really held GNU back at times. | Oct 17 20:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] (infact, #Open_Core is one of the talking points the BSD community used to use when comparing itself to GNU...) | Oct 17 20:22 | |
| schestowitz | "they index archive listings, categories and other useless pages; using meta robots noindex,follow on such pages should fix it" http://identi.ca/conversation/56021347#notice-56505181 | Oct 17 20:22 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Omfg! has anybody tried Collier's Welsh cheddar? My wife found some in a Spanish supermarket. Unbe-flippin-lievable! #cheeselove | Oct 17 20:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I think it is difficult to make legally bulletproof promise back, which is why I think degree of trust in the organization matters | Oct 17 20:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @nenolod #Open_Core is one of the talking points the BSD community used to use when comparing itself to GNU... | Oct 17 20:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evil | Oct 17 20:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] I now really really really want a reprap or a makerbot. And I really really really really need to finish learning Blender. | Oct 17 20:28 | |
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| -NickServ-You are now identified for schestowitz. | Oct 17 20:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @webmaven: Very interesting article on FB vs. Twitter: is.gd/g5Nrj Commercialization implications for federated #sn groups functionality? | Oct 17 20:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just setup a blip.tv account and posted a text .ogv, it works a treat | Oct 17 20:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #libreoffice is biased, so I'd wait for confirmation from Oracle that they abolish OOo community members. http://ur1.ca/227yl | Oct 17 20:57 | |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: URL/ | Oct 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | ? | Oct 17 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Linux demos? | Oct 17 20:58 |
| ThistleWeb | it's linux mint and drupal | Oct 17 20:58 |
| ThistleWeb | thats the idea | Oct 17 20:59 |
| ThistleWeb | right now there's only a 17 or so second test cast | Oct 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | what's the direct url of the ogv? | Oct 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I want to put that in daily link | Oct 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Would get it a few thousands of d/ls | Oct 17 20:59 |
| ThistleWeb | but as it grows, yeah it will be beginner level linux mint tutorials and drawing attention to lesser known drupal modules | Oct 17 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I need oggs | Oct 17 21:00 |
| schestowitz | I use tinyoggs for now | Oct 17 21:00 |
| ThistleWeb | http://thistleweb.blip.tv/ | Oct 17 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | I just need ogg url | Oct 17 21:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I'll need to find that | Oct 17 21:01 |
| ThistleWeb | I just joined like 15mins ago | Oct 17 21:01 |
| schestowitz | how do I get to the ogg? | Oct 17 21:02 |
| schestowitz | They changed the UI | Oct 17 21:02 |
| schestowitz | I once managed to do that | Oct 17 21:02 |
| schestowitz | in different formats | Oct 17 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Cool. Scottish accent | Oct 17 21:03 |
| schestowitz | They Flashify Ogg | Oct 17 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Which isn't esp. helpful | Oct 17 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | I uploaded a ogv staright from recordmydesktop without any conversion | Oct 17 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah they do | Oct 17 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | they gave a link to the file before they converted it, I'm having a look through the dashboard | Oct 17 21:05 |
| schestowitz | thanks | Oct 17 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Cause we can put all the vids past the Daily Links | Oct 17 21:07 |
| schestowitz | To give them exposure | Oct 17 21:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Hello | Oct 17 21:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] ♺ @louisdedecker: RT @InsideRIA: First release of jQuery Mobile http://oreil.ly/d0i28y | Oct 17 21:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] If you can't think what to say, say "hello" | Oct 17 21:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gianugo Rabellino joins Microsoft and already throws FUD at fine Free software projects. Maybe it's genetic. #microsoft #allergy | Oct 17 21:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] and a bugzilla bug is filed for the uclibc build failure: https://bugs.busybox.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2713 - now time for sleeping. | Oct 17 21:08 | |
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| ThistleWeb | ty | Oct 17 21:08 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I can't see anything obvious, but as I said, I just joined, so maybe it's there | Oct 17 21:09 |
| schestowitz | If not I can upload it to our server | Oct 17 21:10 |
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| Viper550 | re http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/acid-test-and-winphone7/ | Oct 17 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | we already have gigs of videos there | Oct 17 21:11 |
| Viper550 | Well, they SAID it wasn't based off IE9. | Oct 17 21:11 |
| schestowitz | IE9 sucks | Oct 17 21:11 |
| schestowitz | RAM+CPU | Oct 17 21:11 |
| Viper550 | but its engine is better than "in between IE7 and IE8" | Oct 17 21:11 |
| *cubeman_ is now known as cubevector | Oct 17 21:11 | |
| schestowitz | Made in sweatshops | Oct 17 21:11 |
| nenolod | IE9 is better than IE8 as far as font rendering quality goes | Oct 17 21:12 |
| cubevector | haven't even looked at IE in years | Oct 17 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I touched it yesterday | Oct 17 21:12 |
| schestowitz | To test a connection on another machine | Oct 17 21:12 |
| schestowitz | F5 | Oct 17 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I'm getting a new router tomorrow | Oct 17 21:12 |
| nenolod | but i've usually found that windows's font rendering has been depressing compared to freetype and OS X | Oct 17 21:13 |
| schestowitz | This one keeps dropping my off since Sunday | Oct 17 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Last one | Oct 17 21:13 |
| cubevector | with routers those tiny ac adapters tend to go | Oct 17 21:13 |
| cubevector | so I keep spares | Oct 17 21:13 |
| nenolod | i do all my routing on a cisco | Oct 17 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Spares for the spares of the spares | Oct 17 21:14 |
| nenolod | at&t is going to be very confused on friday | Oct 17 21:14 |
| nenolod | lolz | Oct 17 21:14 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: you lost the connection there for a second | Oct 17 21:14 |
| schestowitz | But logs did not miss a thing | Oct 17 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I'll probably get them off your machine tomorrow after I set up a new router | Oct 17 21:15 |
| cubevector | heh true | Oct 17 21:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Listening to @fabsh interview on This Week In Fedora podcast. Interesting to hear about his background and experience in FOSS. | Oct 17 21:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @kevie: rathole radio just started the live broadcast :) !rr | Oct 17 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | Been logging without loss since 2008 | Oct 17 21:15 |
| nenolod | if you need a place to run a logbot, i could set up a VM for it | Oct 17 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I lost a few lines here and there | Oct 17 21:15 |
| cubevector | well if your ISP goes, you go | Oct 17 21:16 |
| cubevector | unless you have multiple ISPs | Oct 17 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I have multiple locations for it | Oct 17 21:16 |
| schestowitz | At least two | Oct 17 21:16 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: thanks | Oct 17 21:16 |
| nenolod | let me know tomorrow | Oct 17 21:16 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: a friend of mine near London has multiple ISPs | Oct 17 21:16 |
| schestowitz | he lives in remote location | Oct 17 21:17 |
| cubevector | if you can afford it, why not | Oct 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | So he sets it up so that when one goes down the conduit falls over to the other channel | Oct 17 21:17 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: he needs it for work and he's a BT execs, so it's cheap | Oct 17 21:18 |
| cubevector | ah well then | Oct 17 21:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listen to !RatholeRadio now OR ELSE!!!! http://ratholeradio.org | Oct 17 21:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] re: "The Social network": I always assumed that Facebook's stickiness was due more to its status updates than to its early exclusivity... | Oct 17 21:20 | |
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| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: as yet I dunno how to give an ogv only feed, but this one lists both the flv and ogv http://thistleweb.blip.tv/rss | Oct 17 21:23 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !ratholeradio is on! !rr | Oct 17 21:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Would I be too geeky by saying that the true heroes of "The Social Network" were Linux, PHP, MySQL, Apache (w/ nods to wget and Perl)? | Oct 17 21:23 | |
| ThistleWeb | I do plan to have a screencast section on my site, with embedded video from there, I may be able to create an ogv feed from that, I'll see what I can do | Oct 17 21:23 |
| cubevector | it would be kind of interesting to hear what everyone sounds like | Oct 17 21:24 |
| ThistleWeb | I've kinda gotten used to the sound of my voice but it took a while to get over the cringing when I was doing HPR eps | Oct 17 21:26 |
| cubevector | yeah plus it must be hard to talk about Microsoft and keeping the disgust out of your voice :) | Oct 17 21:26 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Oct 17 21:27 |
| cubevector | I did CBC radio once | Oct 17 21:28 |
| cubevector | doing stuff at home was much more relaxed | Oct 17 21:28 |
| ThistleWeb | I do stuff in single takes, I can't be arsed with mixing | Oct 17 21:29 |
| cubevector | yeah | Oct 17 21:29 |
| cubevector | well you can always do a rehearsal or something | Oct 17 21:29 |
| cubevector | then do it in one take | Oct 17 21:29 |
| ThistleWeb | it does mean that I often take several attempts at it, when I get brain farts part way through and end up with screencast equivelent of dead air | Oct 17 21:29 |
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| cubevector | well point form notes might help | Oct 17 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | when I try, I plan vague bullet points of what I need to cover and what order, beyond that I wing it | Oct 17 21:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] RD bkuhn: #Shuttleworth, @sabdfl of !Ubuntu finally admits to #Open_Core plans for !Canonical: http://ur1.ca/23h7z | Oct 17 21:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just played on !ratholeradio Live: Nerdcore by MC Frontalot http://frontalot.com | Oct 17 21:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Now doing the mixdown of !LO 169. Shame I can't listen to !rr live.... :/ | Oct 17 21:30 | |
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| cubevector | yes, plus you don't want to sound like your reading from cue cards :) | Oct 17 21:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Groklaw stopped with the Apple mentions, so power to PJ | Oct 17 21:30 |
| ThistleWeb | that too | Oct 17 21:31 |
| cubevector | you're | Oct 17 21:31 |
| schestowitz | It did kind of happen after I started a discussion about it, but it's unlikely to be related | Oct 17 21:31 |
| ThistleWeb | I couldnt do reading, I can only talk off the cuff | Oct 17 21:31 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: ah, excellent feed | Oct 17 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Added | Oct 17 21:32 |
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| cubevector | kind of short ThistleWeb :) | Oct 17 21:34 |
| ThistleWeb | quality, not quantity | Oct 17 21:34 |
| Viper550 | I know that this doesn't involve open source, but did you hear about the internet brands vs. xenforo brouhaha? | Oct 17 21:34 |
| ThistleWeb | rofl | Oct 17 21:34 |
| ThistleWeb | at least I joined, and tested the ogv compatibility, converting it was a bit of a pain | Oct 17 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | since it takes it without converting, it's ideal | Oct 17 21:35 |
| *cubevector wonders what MinceR sounds like | Oct 17 21:36 | |
| cubevector | Viper550, nope | Oct 17 21:36 |
| ThistleWeb | over the next few days I'll be recording a few more and setting up my site's end of it | Oct 17 21:36 |
| cubevector | I could do an openbsd screencast | Oct 17 21:36 |
| Viper550 | http://vbtruth.com/ | Oct 17 21:36 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @kevie Interview with Jono Bacon tonight on Rathole Radio !rr !ubuntu stream http://65.60.11.2:8216/live | Oct 17 21:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Anyone knows a music streaming service that runs WITHOUT Flash? | Reddit Discussion http://ping.fm/nD3ph | Oct 17 21:37 | |
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| MinceR | 223010 < schestowitz> MinceR: Groklaw stopped with the Apple mentions, so power to PJ | Oct 17 21:37 |
| MinceR | is that good or bad? | Oct 17 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Good | Oct 17 21:37 |
| schestowitz | The feeds are almost Apple free | Oct 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Almost | Oct 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | See http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 at top | Oct 17 21:38 |
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| schestowitz | * | Oct 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | * Band replaces instruments with iPhones, still rocks out | Oct 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | * Sunday, October 17 2010 @ 03:43 PM EDT | Oct 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | * The solution? Play on iPhones, instead. The results are surprisingly good. | Oct 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | ' | Oct 17 21:38 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 17 21:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/red-hat-summit-and-jboss-world-call-for-papers-now-open-2010-10-13?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Oct 17 21:38 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Could anyone explain how !Sugar Presence Service works in !Abiword Abicollab? Seems !OLPC related? | Oct 17 21:38 | |
| MinceR | do you think it will last? | Oct 17 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw sometimes seems to teach people that replacing Microsoft with Apple is good | Oct 17 21:40 |
| schestowitz | The !Microsoft mentality | Oct 17 21:40 |
| cubevector | hmmm | Oct 17 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Not !proprietary | Oct 17 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw also defends IBM a lot | Oct 17 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw links to this in the evening: http://dvice.com/archives/2010/10/band-replaces-i.php | Oct 17 21:41 |
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| cubevector | well I was sorry to see Be go | Oct 17 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I just don't see the point | Oct 17 21:41 |
| cubevector | and they were proprietary too | Oct 17 21:42 |
| schestowitz | What does that teach people? | Oct 17 21:42 |
| schestowitz | She posted ~10 links to the Java/IBM story | Oct 17 21:42 |
| schestowitz | But so did we... | Oct 17 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Although our total # of links is like 10 times higher | Oct 17 21:42 |
| cubevector | IBM did make some of the historically important computers | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | I want to post ThistleWeb's test vid before midnight | Oct 17 21:43 |
| schestowitz | It's better if content comes from our community | Oct 17 21:43 |
| cubevector | sure | Oct 17 21:43 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, I'll be deleting that test vid after the first proper screencast is ready | Oct 17 21:43 |
| ThistleWeb | it was only a small file to test how it copes with ogv | Oct 17 21:44 |
| cubevector | another example: I liked Commodore | Oct 17 21:44 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467004575463843289453872.html?mod=wsj_share_twitter | Oct 17 21:44 |
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| cubevector | but they were the most open proprietary companies around in their day | Oct 17 21:44 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: no, keep it | Oct 17 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I've already put that in | Oct 17 21:45 |
| schestowitz | With caption | Oct 17 21:45 |
| cubevector | does bliptv host you then? | Oct 17 21:45 |
| cubevector | or do you provide your own? | Oct 17 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | I got a free account at blip.tv | Oct 17 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | they do have premium accounts wth more options | Oct 17 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | they host it | Oct 17 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | they stream it | Oct 17 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | I can set up permissions to allow embedding, whatever licenece I want, I'll need to check how to make the default CC | Oct 17 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | that test vid is creative commons | Oct 17 21:46 |
| cubevector | cool | Oct 17 21:46 |
| ThistleWeb | they do have content restrictions, so it's not a free for all that youtube is | Oct 17 21:48 |
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| ThistleWeb | but mine fits well within what they allow | Oct 17 21:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn "Not all contributors are equal" bullcrap. Shuttleworth has been posting about that too. Very #disturbing. | Oct 17 21:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Excellent blog post, BTW. :) | Oct 17 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | they just serve video files and flash object | Oct 17 21:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Censorship abound in the ##windows chat room (freenode)...Its more Linux in there than Microsoft! Great stuff! !microsoft | Oct 17 21:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] State of !Firefox 4.0 on !GNU + !Linux http://www.tildehash.com/?article=state-of-firefox-4-0-on-gnu-linux | Oct 17 21:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @openbytes Censorship abound in the ##windows chat room (freenode)...Its more Linux in there than Microsoft! Great stuff! !microsoft | Oct 17 21:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fabsh,can you give me URL for @sabdfl saying that "not all developers are equal"? ADVSorryANCE if is obvious; I don't subscribe to his blog | Oct 17 21:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz No clue what this has to do with Fedora vs. Ubuntu. We are talking about Canonical's policies ATM. | Oct 17 21:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm reading about Pano Devices - Strange to me http://ping.fm/w4LZB | Oct 17 21:57 | |
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| schestowitz | "@fabsh @bkuhn !Fedora - !Ubuntu popularity wars are a distraction" | Oct 17 21:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh see @fontana remarks | Oct 17 22:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Oh dear. When IE9 is compared to other browsers, it doesn't seem at quick as !microsoft claim: http://tinyurl.com/23pq8va !ie9 | Oct 17 22:02 | |
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| _Goblin | sorry people....double denting coming up | Oct 17 22:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Oh dear. When IE9 is compared to other browsers, it doesn't seem as quick as !microsoft claim: http://tinyurl.com/23pq8va !ie9 | Oct 17 22:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Here | Oct 17 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Double fun, _Goblin | Oct 17 22:05 |
| schestowitz | From Microsoft Emil, no less... | Oct 17 22:05 |
| schestowitz | http://bloc.eurion.net/archives/2010/debious-a-dubious-debian-packaging-gui/ | Oct 17 22:06 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !ratholeradio @methoddan singing LIVE now! http://ratholeradio.org/live/ | Oct 17 22:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn http://ur1.ca/23jrk "that suggests that the two contributions are equal, when they really are not." | Oct 17 22:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open source investment to increase – survey http://www.siliconrepublic.com/strategy/item/18263 #freesoftware | Oct 17 22:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @iluvpclinuxos Testing PCLinuxOS KDE 4 2010.10 Test ISO. | Oct 17 22:08 | |
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| Ender2070 | second life, funny, I used to explore in it often but then the linux client became mono based | Oct 17 22:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana @bkuhn http://ur1.ca/23jrk [Shuttleworth:] "that suggests that the two contributions are equal, when they really are not." | Oct 17 22:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Well, he's never said it outright, at least not on his blog. Reading all of his posts definitely give me that gist though.... | Oct 17 22:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn ...stuff like http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/517 | Oct 17 22:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 118542 !gnu !Linux PCs registered in ~week, 40% of which in Poland+Russia http://www.dudalibre.com/gnulinuxcounter | Oct 17 22:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz I am not @fontana. I wasn't talking about Fedora at all. | Oct 17 22:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oracle Asks Founders Of The Documents Foundation To Leave http://ur1.ca/23jue Better description of the situation | Oct 17 22:13 | |
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| Ender2070 | [14:21] <gnufreex> schestowitz: Did you read bkuhn comment on shuttleworth? | Oct 17 22:13 |
| Ender2070 | [14:21] <gnufreex> I think we have the reason why UF are hostile to free sofware | Oct 17 22:14 |
| Ender2070 | interesting | Oct 17 22:14 |
| Ender2070 | [14:32] <gnufreex> schestowitz: http://lwn.net/Articles/399380/ | Oct 17 22:15 |
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| Ender2070 | ASEIGO, complained about Ubuntu's copyright assignment policy too | Oct 17 22:15 |
| Ender2070 | [14:51] <schestowitz> xmms hardly works anymore <---obsolete GTK1 software | Oct 17 22:17 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Oct 17 22:18 |
| schestowitz | I wrote some gtk 1.2 s/w | Oct 17 22:18 |
| Ender2070 | I use google apps, for some reason it doesn't delete the files on my hard drive. Weird eh? | Oct 17 22:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Exactly the quote I had in my head but couldn't find. Thanks! @bkuhn | Oct 17 22:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #libreoffice folks can't blame #openoffice and #scoracle for being hostile. They threaten their jobs/project, it's provocative | Oct 17 22:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh you should use "I am not @fontana" as the title of your autobiography | Oct 17 22:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh yeah, I was referring to this dicussion in general | Oct 17 22:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Haha. SCO/Microsoft hatchet lady Maureen O'Gara is already using #libreoffice spin to attack Office rivals. #sco #pr #openoffice | Oct 17 22:22 | |
| Ender2070 | [16:36] <TechrightsBot-tr> Title: Anyone knows a music streaming service that runs WITHOUT Flash? : linux .::. Size~: 55.49 KB <---- youtube with webm | Oct 17 22:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OpenOffice: we develop OOo; LibreOffice: But... Oracle; OpenOffice: So? LibreOffice: we fork; OpenOffice: so leave LibreOffice: bad Oracle! | Oct 17 22:25 | |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: maybe they want web conferencing | Oct 17 22:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana LOL! Before I do that we should at least meet in person one day. All I know about you is from @bkuhn... ;) | Oct 17 22:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Web browser speed test: Chrome, Firefox, IE9, Opera and Safari head-to-head http://ur1.ca/23jyz Chrome wins again | Oct 17 22:27 | |
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| schestowitz | http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/barbara-billingsley-tvs-june-clever-dead-94/story?id=11901936 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-16/barbara-billingsley-leave-it-to-beaver-sitcom-mom-june-dies-at-age-94.html | Oct 17 22:27 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz People compare. It's the nature of the human condition. That's how our brains work.... | Oct 17 22:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Canonical Open_Core huh? Pfft! As if this agenda is a surprise, I mean come on. Those who criticized Canonical before got flack, well......? | Oct 17 22:28 | |
| Ender2070 | what about web conferencing? | Oct 17 22:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ten reasons !GNU !Linux is the best choice for kids http://ur1.ca/23i1b | Oct 17 22:30 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: streaming in real-time | Oct 17 22:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The !KDE Netbook Desktop - Continued http://ur1.ca/23jzq It looks polished; My family loves Plasma | Oct 17 22:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn they won't allow you in the building unless you wear a red #fedora | Oct 17 22:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh true | Oct 17 22:32 | |
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| schestowitz | Hard to find FOSS SOLUTIONS (OOPS. caps accident) | Oct 17 22:32 |
| schestowitz | "I couldn't see this service was advertised much here in Poland" http://identi.ca/conversation/56046911#notice-56531782 | Oct 17 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56047537#notice-56532184 "I have been surprised by how badly Oracle have taken the !LibreOffice fork, almost like they weren't expecting it. Strange" | Oct 17 22:33 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @bkuhn I have to admit, I don't really understand what that means. You mean they won't promise licence perpetuity? Might change it? | Oct 17 22:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Off-The-Record in !kopete r0x. pure and simple. | Oct 17 22:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56046911#notice-56532756 "and I can't consider Poland as Windows-free. Contrarily, there're too many Windows' in public administration :(" | Oct 17 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, scientes | Oct 17 22:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 2003 MICROSOFT MEMO (labeled "highly confidential" in ALL CAPS) says “Linux % of PC installed base” in “Enterprise” 4.20% in Russia | Oct 17 22:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft's estimates of !GNU !Linux market share: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/linux-heat-map.png | Oct 17 22:38 | |
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| schestowitz | "Why? You've accused FOSS-people with less evidence. Why doubt LibreOffice statements now?" http://twitter.com/#!/janstedehouder/status/27667225904 | Oct 17 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | *sigh* | Oct 17 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Jan Stedehouder | Oct 17 22:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Doing !LO show notes.... | Oct 17 22:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mr @mjasay says "I have heard exactly ZERO internal discussion about our embracing Open Core. As in 0 (nada, zilch, rien)" | Oct 17 22:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mjasay I also think the idea of Open Core = VC dream/road to riches overlooks just about all data: biggest "OSS businesses"... | Oct 17 22:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mjasay into Canonical's intentions. I don't think Canonical's history justifies the suspicion //yes, I thought @bkuhn had jumped the gun | Oct 17 22:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56051166#notice-56535489 "is it from 2003, right?" | Oct 17 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | The intelligence Microsoft had in 2003 showed GNU/Linux at well over 1%, except in places like the US http://techrights.org/2010/09/10/us-oriented-operating-system-surveys/ | Oct 17 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56051166#notice-56535588 "Document seems quite old though" | Oct 17 22:47 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @schestowitz,Been asking !Canonical for 1.5 yrs why the won't make a promise back. Only logical explanation is they're reserving possibility | Oct 17 22:47 | |
| schestowitz | "are those where what you sell is explicitly NOT code, Open Core or otherwise. I think you may be misreading too much" - @mjasay | Oct 17 22:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn yes, but possibility is not enough to prove intent | Oct 17 22:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @silner, "promise back" means "CLA &/or CAA promises all versions of codebase will always be made available under !FaiF or copyleft license" | Oct 17 22:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @lnxwalt280 I think Canonical is looking at a lot of ways to try and earn some money. Doesn't always mean they'll choose it. | Oct 17 22:53 | |
| schestowitz | I can't believe I take Mac Asay's side for a change | Oct 17 22:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Holy craps #Html5 + JQuery Mobile is so awesome. #very #excited - #jquerymobile | Oct 17 22:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] NewsBytes 17th October 2010 – Mono, IE9, Badboy Ballmer & Angry Birds! !microsoft !mono !novell !ie9 !linux !android | Oct 17 23:02 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCHEJynXHDA | Oct 17 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: no URL | Oct 17 23:04 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Oct 17 23:04 |
| _Goblin | doh | Oct 17 23:04 |
| MinceR | NO U! ...RL | Oct 17 23:05 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 17 23:05 |
| _Goblin | there done. | Oct 17 23:06 |
| _Goblin | sorry...thats the second dupe dent Ive done today..... | Oct 17 23:06 |
| _Goblin | must be stress. | Oct 17 23:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] NewsBytes 17th October 2010 –Mono,IE9,Badboy Ballmer & Angry Birds! http://tinyurl.com/268tkl3 !microsoft !mono !novell !ie9 !linux !android | Oct 17 23:07 | |
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| _Goblin | btw, if anyone is thinking of seeing Altitude on DVD...forget it...its rubbish. | Oct 17 23:08 |
| Ender2070 | I think we need a google docs FOSS clone | Oct 17 23:09 |
| Ender2070 | libreofficelive ? | Oct 17 23:09 |
| Ender2070 | anything | Oct 17 23:09 |
| Ender2070 | cause its way too handy | Oct 17 23:10 |
| _Goblin | Never really had a use for Google Docs myself... | Oct 17 23:10 |
| Ender2070 | my school for example won't let me install openoffice on its windows boxes | Oct 17 23:10 |
| gnufreex | Ender2070... Sun was working on something like that... now ORacle does.. but it will be propriatary, probably. | Oct 17 23:10 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 17 23:11 |
| Viper550 | My old school, actually had openoffice 3 installed network-wide | Oct 17 23:11 |
| Ender2070 | I have a choice | Oct 17 23:11 |
| Ender2070 | MS Office or Google Docs | Oct 17 23:11 |
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| Viper550 | cause only select labs had Office XP. Everyone else had WordPerfect Office (ugh) or OpenOffice 3 | Oct 17 23:11 |
| Ender2070 | and Google Docs doesnt suck balls | Oct 17 23:11 |
| Ender2070 | i'd take Wordperfect over MS Office anyday | Oct 17 23:12 |
| Ender2070 | I like google docs for footnotes, headers/footers and the way it formats the footnotes when you convert the document to different formats | Oct 17 23:14 |
| scientes | ugggggh | Oct 17 23:14 |
| scientes | hate web-based applications | Oct 17 23:14 |
| Viper550 | I'm trying to start work on a new commercial grade (and no, not open core) forum system, google docs is proving useful | Oct 17 23:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @set0s ♻ @schestowitz: Microsoft's estimates of !GNU !Linux market share: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/linux-hea ... | Oct 17 23:17 | |
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| Ender2070 | I found a use for google docs | Oct 17 23:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz Open source investment to increase – survey http://www.siliconrepublic.com/strategy/item/18263 #freesoftware | Oct 17 23:18 | |
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| Ender2070 | however I am well aware the dangers of the cloud and I keep many backups of my files | Oct 17 23:19 |
| Ender2070 | but we need a google docs clone | Oct 17 23:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 17/10/2010: KDE Netbook Desktop, Angry Birds a Real Hit on Linux Phones http://ur1.ca/23kci !techrights | Oct 17 23:22 | |
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| schestowitz | Ender2070: opengoo? | Oct 17 23:22 |
| schestowitz | They rename | Oct 17 23:22 |
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| schestowitz | And become more proprietar | Oct 17 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Something like Keng office... | Oct 17 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | Feng | Oct 17 23:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fengoffice.com/web/index.php | Oct 17 23:23 |
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| schestowitz | No longer FOSS at all I see... | Oct 17 23:23 |
| Ender2070 | yeah thats what it looks like | Oct 17 23:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/community_index.php "Feng Office Collaboration Platform is Open Source Software. There are many reasons why being this is good. Here you can read more about the benefits of being Open Source. " | Oct 17 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/why-is-open-source.php | Oct 17 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/downloads.php | Oct 17 23:25 |
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| Ender2070 | im about to be d/c | Oct 17 23:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Newsweek Predicts: Microsoft to Oust Ballmer in 2010 http://tinyurl.com/2ap7td3 !microsoft !mvp !mvpbuzz !wp7 - I reckon its mid 2011. | Oct 17 23:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #OpenGoo turned from Free software into fauxpen (proprietary): http://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/downloads.php | Oct 17 23:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] @glynmoody didnt see reply on identica; two projects http://freethepostcode.org/ & OSM, code<->street API http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/Nominatim | Oct 17 23:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] TDF and LibO mailing lists in several languages have been set up - more to follow! http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists | Oct 17 23:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] PVR has managed to record loads of stuff today | Oct 17 23:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jamesm/@jamesm] Wondering what happened to foss.my this year | Oct 17 23:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Ive thoroughly enjoying another Linux title (a MMORG) that Ive discovered over the last week. Two great titles coming: www.openbytes.co.cc | Oct 17 23:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] KTorrent 4.0.3 released: http://ktorrent.org/ !kde !bittorrent !p2p !linux !foss | Oct 17 23:42 | |
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| oiaohm | More and more opensource is being hidden under the title community | Oct 17 23:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] "#WebKit has issues. They eventually fixes their bugs, but they leave a trail of tears in the meantime." -- @jeresig at !jQuery #jqcon | Oct 17 23:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Meetings of last week's TDF Steering Comittee meeting are now online: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings | Oct 17 23:52 | |
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| scientes | hate web-based applications | Oct 17 23:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/56050113#notice-56548259 "i dont like the plasma bar in netbook mode :( its unusable overfilled" | Oct 17 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Oct 17 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: gn | Oct 17 23:58 |
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