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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @freeculture: Hulu selectively prevents Cablevision customers from watching Fox/News Corp content #netneutrality http://is.gd/g58wEOct 17 00:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   News Corp. Shuts Off Hulu Access To Cablevision Customers  And Turns It Back On [UPDATED] | Peter Kafka | MediaMemo | AllThingsD .::. Size~: 67.41 KBOct 17 00:03
hazzyLOLOct 17 00:04
hazzyI just read the latest Techrights about VP7Oct 17 00:04
hazzy"Another $400 Million Down the Drain"Oct 17 00:04
hazzyAwesome.Oct 17 00:04
Diablo-D3its not really.Oct 17 00:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - Guns N' Roses - Don't Cry" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRIbf6JqkNc&feature=channelOct 17 00:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] RT @chicagonpg White Zombie - More Human Than Human http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0E0ynyIUsgOct 17 00:09
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TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - White Zombie - More Human Than Human   .::. Size~: 142.59 KBOct 17 00:09
hazzyFrom a consumer's point of view, it isOct 17 00:10
hazzyIt saves them from having Microsoft leverage a monopoly to control the marketOct 17 00:10
Diablo-D3well noOct 17 00:10
Diablo-D3its giving people jobsOct 17 00:10
Diablo-D3jobs that, without gross corporate waste, wouldnt existOct 17 00:11
hazzyFine, I'll give you thatOct 17 00:11
Diablo-D3infact, bill gates is, like, some sort of anti-heroOct 17 00:11
Diablo-D3or somethingOct 17 00:11
Diablo-D3I dunno, I was going somewhere with this, and it got away from meOct 17 00:12
hazzyWell, your point was well made with the jobsOct 17 00:13
Diablo-D3yeah, but hazzyOct 17 00:13
Diablo-D310 times more jobs would exist if companies were efficientOct 17 00:13
hazzyYes, agreedOct 17 00:14
hazzyI see it far too often at my own jobOct 17 00:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Amazon is Distorting Canadian Patent Law http://ur1.ca/23bnj Mr. Bezos destroys other countries' legal systems with #swpatsOct 17 00:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Amazon is Distorting Canadian Patent Law | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.83 KBOct 17 00:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - Guns N' Roses Think About You studio Version" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJySi7Z3ZXY&feature=relatedOct 17 00:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] the #fascism world is hereOct 17 00:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] #africa will survive..........Oct 17 00:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] United Fruit Company 2.0: How #Microsoft is Colonising South America http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/edgi-in-south-american-market/Oct 17 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] when the humans have destroyed the world. we will awakenOct 17 00:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: United Fruit Company 2.0: How Microsoft is Colonising South America | Techrights .::. Size~: 168.31 KBOct 17 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - zouk machine - maldon" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPdrGOFXzGAOct 17 00:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Surprisingly, Tcl's switch command feels more capable than the similar C / Java / C++ switch statement.Oct 17 01:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Unsubstantiated Takeover Rumours http://ur1.ca/23c3e Why Microsoft will not manage to grab yet another Internet giantOct 17 01:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Unsubstantiated Takeover Rumours | Techrights .::. Size~: 91.25 KBOct 17 01:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] I don't know why this is funny: http://ur1.ca/23c6jOct 17 01:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] O'Reilly is Still in Bed with #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/23c6p O'Reilly empowers Microsoft, which is sadOct 17 01:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: AAAAAAAAA! - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 75.6 KBOct 17 01:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: OReilly is Still in Bed With Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.89 KBOct 17 01:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] What"s next in air travel? http://xkcd.com/779/Oct 17 02:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: xkcd: Anxiety .::. Size~: 8.36 KBOct 17 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crpOct 17 03:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 104.08 KBOct 17 03:26
*amarsh04 tries mocp for playing audio - lower cpu than even xmms 1.2Oct 17 03:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @bigbrovar !Linux should not be about elitism. It's for the people, by the people. Once we become elitist, we're not better than Stev ...Oct 17 03:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] I've heard !fedora users talking about their automatic wallpaper changer, here's an article about 5 alternatives !linux http://ur1.ca/235d2Oct 17 03:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linuxaria Wallpaper changer for Linux : Linuxaria .::. Size~: 46.16 KBOct 17 03:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @graziano #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crpOct 17 03:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 136.61 KBOct 17 03:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES - Demoscene: Interview with Romeo Knight! http://tinyurl.com/34nn7xd !amiga !demoscene !dtv !redsector !rsi !music !electronicaOct 17 04:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Demoscene: Interview with Romeo Knight! « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 52 KBOct 17 04:04
amarsh04quoted on the front page of http://www.groklaw.net/ # I think renaming Echelon to Facebook was possibly the most effective re-branding exercise ever. -  Jan Wildeboer, identi.caOct 17 04:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 60.86 KBOct 17 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Are you a Computer Geek? Take the test http://richs-lxh.com/are-you-a-geek/Oct 17 04:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle:    Are You A geek? - Father, Husband, Linux Geek& .::. Size~: 27.74 KBOct 17 04:06
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roy__amarsh04: yes, I saw that yesterdayOct 17 04:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh Another example of a moving wallpaper: http://ur1.ca/fgt3 http://ur1.ca/fgt3Oct 17 04:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu blogspot: "Dawn of Ubuntu" Returns .::. Size~: 155.13 KBOct 17 04:23
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schestowitzhttp://www.gaj-it.com/25879/microsoft-uses-angry-birds-logo-to-promote-windows-phone-7-without-permission/Oct 17 04:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Uses Angry Birds Logo to Promote Windows Phone 7 Without Permission | UK Gadget and Tech News, Reviews and Shopping .::. Size~: 49.46 KBOct 17 04:23
schestowitzI could not be too bothered to do articles about this silly productOct 17 04:23
schestowitzMicrosoft's news is all dried upOct 17 04:23
schestowitzGates has moved on to disrupting other areasOct 17 04:23
nenolodangry birds is such a great gameOct 17 04:24
schestowitzhttp://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30779/Goldman_Sachs_Recommends_Microsoft_Split_Off_Xbox_Business.phpOct 17 04:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gamasutra - News - Goldman Sachs Recommends Microsoft Split Off Xbox Business .::. Size~: 153.53 KBOct 17 04:24
nenolodit's like crackOct 17 04:24
schestowitzhttp://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=268169Oct 17 04:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: News: Xbox profitability being hurt by Microsoft - analyst - ComputerAndVideoGames.com .::. Size~: 228.05 KBOct 17 04:25
schestowitznenolod: Android too now..Oct 17 04:25
schestowitzI never played it, but I see it in Android sites a lotOct 17 04:25
nenolodschestowitz: yes, i have the android version on my phoneOct 17 04:25
nenolodschestowitz: it's greatOct 17 04:25
nenolodandroid is going to win the mobile war over iphone and WP7Oct 17 04:25
schestowitzwell, bar lawsuitsOct 17 04:25
nenolodbecause it's out there nowOct 17 04:25
schestowitzit also killed LiMoOct 17 04:26
nenolodthat's a good thingOct 17 04:26
nenolodlimo is crap and closed-sourceOct 17 04:26
schestowitzAri moved from Maemo to WebOS, but it's stilla  struggleOct 17 04:26
schestowitzpeople think they need 100k apps to use a phoneOct 17 04:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] noffice #libreofficeOct 17 04:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave - http://bit.ly/aiwjYc never a dull moment these days #openoffice #libreofficeOct 17 04:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 139.08 KBOct 17 04:26
schestowitzwasn't limo+lips LSB?Oct 17 04:26
nenolodnoOct 17 04:27
schestowitzThe Emblaze+ELSE thing is all patentsOct 17 04:27
schestowitzThey even sued Microsoft and AppleOct 17 04:27
nenolodmeego is the officially blessed oneOct 17 04:27
schestowitzyesOct 17 04:27
schestowitzLSBOct 17 04:27
nenolodbut android is probably going to winOct 17 04:27
nenolodit's out there nowOct 17 04:27
nenolodWP7 came too lateOct 17 04:27
nenolodyou can get 100x more different kinds of android phones vs 1 iphoneOct 17 04:27
schestowitzthe news is flooded with itOct 17 04:27
schestowitzI just did a slice viewOct 17 04:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Nice :) I'm trying to find a lightweight !debian compatible non-gnome wallpaper changer for my !openbox desktop.Oct 17 04:28
schestowitz200 clusters of headlines in 3 weeksOct 17 04:28
schestowitzPuff pieces galoreOct 17 04:28
schestowitz$400ml/200=$2mlOct 17 04:28
nenolodWP7 has a lot of interesting design concepts thoughOct 17 04:30
nenolodbut like i saidOct 17 04:30
nenolodthey delivered too lateOct 17 04:30
nenolodand they made the same mistakes apple madeOct 17 04:30
nenolodit's a walled garden, and consumers don't like that - infact, consumers are becoming more and more aware of why software freedom mattersOct 17 04:30
nenolodalthough android isn't really freeOct 17 04:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh I believe this wallpaper uses some XML to change the wallpaper look according to the time. I looked into .deb pkgOct 17 04:31
nenolodvendors lock it down - but - honestly if google went GPLv3 with it, i don't know if anyone would have bought into androidOct 17 04:31
nenolodwe will have to see how meego goesOct 17 04:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !sr User ID 292646Oct 17 04:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Actually, !crunchbang uses Nitrogen. I could just run a timed/cron script to change it randomly.Oct 17 04:36
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roy_http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/224147.aspOct 17 04:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Report: Microsoft shutters in-game ad unit Massive .::. Size~: 66.87 KBOct 17 04:37
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schestowitznenolod: it remains to be seen what Elop does with MeeGoOct 17 04:38
schestowitzhttp://techfreqnews.com/?p=571 http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2010-10-11-report-microsoft-to-close-in-game-ads-dept-massiveOct 17 04:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsofts Shutting Down Its In-Game Advertising Division | TechFreq News=- .::. Size~: 31.68 KBOct 17 04:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Report: Microsoft to close in-game ads dept Massive | News .::. Size~: 19.25 KBOct 17 04:39
schestowitzNokia and Microsoft are shrinkingOct 17 04:39
schestowitzIntel is growing againOct 17 04:39
schestowitzhttp://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=269039Oct 17 04:39
nenolodintel are patent trolls thoughOct 17 04:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: News: Microsoft angers Angry Birds team - ComputerAndVideoGames.com .::. Size~: 210.3 KBOct 17 04:39
schestowitznenolod: they are worse than thatOct 17 04:39
schestowitzThey bribe, they attack rivals like OLPC, they funded SCO, etc.Oct 17 04:40
schestowitzBut I don't think they are the real enemy to s/w freedomOct 17 04:40
schestowitzIntel is just selling hardware, it doesn't care so much about DRM and whether s/w as freeOct 17 04:40
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news-story/2010/10/13/microsoft-admits-there-has-been-exceptional-dOct 17 04:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle:         Microsoft admits there has been "exceptional demand" for Kinect     .::. Size~: 21.97 KBOct 17 04:42
schestowitz"Admits"Oct 17 04:42
schestowitzBought siteOct 17 04:42
schestowitzJohn "admits" he is wonderfulOct 17 04:42
amarsh04so why didn't intel buy PowerVR and open up the GMA500 graphics, or drop PowerVR from later chipsetsOct 17 04:43
schestowitzMaybe in some cases, just like GPU makers, the souce code reveals some h/w-s/w interaction they would give awayOct 17 04:43
schestowitzPeople no longer just buy just a ploygon making waferOct 17 04:44
schestowitzAnd I heard from an informant in Intel about some projects they have for making the two sides tighterOct 17 04:44
schestowitzBut it's sort of NDAedOct 17 04:44
amarsh04I'd still like to buy a fully open portable pc - haven't found anyone in .au willing to provide warranty support for the lemote machinesOct 17 04:45
oiaohmamarsh04: Number 1 PowerVR is not up for saleOct 17 04:45
oiaohmSo intel cannot buy them.Oct 17 04:45
schestowitzThey could 'pull an Icahn'Oct 17 04:46
amarsh04some discussion on the state of linux audio at http://www.sintel.org/news/greetings-from-the-audio-trenches/Oct 17 04:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sintel, the Durian Open Movie Project  » Blog Archive   » Greetings from the audio trenches! .::. Size~: 93.79 KBOct 17 04:46
schestowitzBut that's Microsoft's repertoireOct 17 04:46
oiaohmOnly option is pull the chain and the question is does PowerVR have a contract for so many video cards.Oct 17 04:46
oiaohmIe intel might be trapped with the PowerVR mistake.Oct 17 04:46
oiaohmBut PowerVR was ment to provide working Linux drivers.Oct 17 04:46
oiaohmSo in theory Intel could walk away from the contract for PowerVR not holding up there end.Oct 17 04:47
amarsh04IOct 17 04:47
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amarsh04I'd like the South Australian government to prove that they're not beholden to microsoft by fixing things that are broken due to reliance on microsoft (like the email system serving the state government)Oct 17 04:48
oiaohmsintel movie caused the audio guy some complexity.  amarsh04Oct 17 04:50
oiaohmThe rule of the movie no closed source programs could be used.  amarsh04Oct 17 04:50
oiaohmNo matter how much you liked them.Oct 17 04:50
oiaohmYes next movie hopefully audio as well.Oct 17 04:54
schestowitzthe comments talk about LinuxOct 17 04:57
schestowitzIt does seem like some FOSS was used for audio too..?Oct 17 04:57
schestowitzhttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshowpics/6640651.cmsOct 17 04:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sony Move, Microsoft Kinect play catch up - Pictures - Pictures/Videos - News in Pictures | Economic Times .::. Size~: 38.92 KBOct 17 04:58
schestowitzEuropean Commission Sues UK Over Phorm :)Oct 17 04:58
schestowitzCan one sell out in presales?  :-)Oct 17 05:00
schestowitzWow. The press is being misguided willingly?Oct 17 05:00
schestowitzThey are selling out what's not even in stock?Oct 17 05:00
schestowitzOr what does not even exist?Oct 17 05:01
schestowitzSilly me, I thought something needs to be sold in order for it to be sold out (over quantity)Oct 17 05:02
schestowitzI wonder how much marketi^H^H money is spent on this Kinect thing...Oct 17 05:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Duncan McGreggor: Multi-touch and Qt http://goo.gl/XN8pOct 17 05:03
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schestowitzMicrosoft struggles with mobile.. no modularity..Oct 17 05:03
schestowitzhttp://vista.blorge.com/2010/09/30/no-windows-7-tablets-for-a-year-if-ever/Oct 17 05:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: No Windows 7 tablets for a year, if ever - WINDOWS.BLORGE .::. Size~: 42.88 KBOct 17 05:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Duncan McGreggor: The Growing Linux Multi-touch Community http://goo.gl/78keOct 17 05:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Electric Duncan: The Growing Linux Multi-touch Community .::. Size~: 78.58 KBOct 17 05:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @toros Duncan McGreggor: Multi-touch and Qt http://goo.gl/XN8pOct 17 05:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Electric Duncan: Multitouch and Qt .::. Size~: 75.37 KBOct 17 05:06
schestowitzThe booster started an account... http://twitter.com/mariusoiagaOct 17 05:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Marius Oiaga (mariusoiaga) on Twitter .::. Size~: 42.28 KBOct 17 05:08
schestowitz:-/Oct 17 05:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @toros Duncan McGreggor: The Growing Linux Multi-touch Community http://goo.gl/78ke > !Linux at the forefront of mobilityOct 17 05:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Electric Duncan: The Growing Linux Multi-touch Community .::. Size~: 78.58 KBOct 17 05:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @ksaver “YouTube - Pinguy OS”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuQU8YFkG0w !Linux #DistrosOct 17 05:11
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schestowitzIt's been 11 days since the Qt announcement  of new gesture support, and I wanted to blog about it right away... but alas, now will have to do. The folks at Qt have been working on multi-touch support for a while now. They blogged about gestures, multi-touch, Mac support, Windows support, and then at UDS in Brussels (May 2010), they shared their 4.8 plans for multi-touch with the Ubuntu community.Oct 17 05:12
schestowitzUntil recently, there has been no MT stack for Linux. The great news is that the folks at Qt are very interested in getting Qt to work with uTouch. Stephen Bregma has been working on the GEIS API that toolkits will have the option of taking advantage of, and we were delighted to hear from Zeno and Denis that the Qt API they have envisioned and planned is very similar to GEIS, and should make for an excellent match. They are going to beOct 17 05:12
schestowitztalking with the community about this at UDS two weeks from now, in fact :-)Oct 17 05:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz United Fruit Company 2.0: How #Microsoft is Colonising South America http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/edgi-in-south-amer ...Oct 17 05:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Phew ! just got chrome2phone and android2cloud working again on chromium and the !nexusone !android #froyoOct 17 05:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Want to join our first marketing phone conference? Vote when it should take place! http://www.doodle.com/uiidvmmxcp53r4xsOct 17 05:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] I'm at N 44.99137 E 23.11756, travelling from Motru to Târgu-Jiu by car. Hardly any mobile phone connection around here...Oct 17 05:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz O'Reilly is Still in Bed with #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/23c6p O'Reilly empowers Microsoft, which is sadOct 17 05:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: OReilly is Still in Bed With Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.89 KBOct 17 05:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Nick Mason on the radio, good quote talking about well known tribute band "They have managed to learn every mistake we ever made"Oct 17 05:28
MinceRgeekingsOct 17 05:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft claims Internet Explorer 9 was downloaded 6m times last month. Doesn't Firefox get that like two days?Oct 17 05:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: I quite often read your TR posts before there are any comments and miss them,could you do a comments rss or similar service?Oct 17 05:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dying Internet Explorer Dips Below 50% Global Market Share http://ur1.ca/23dy6 sample set in doubt, but trend mattersOct 17 05:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dying Internet Explorer Dips Below 50% Global Market Share (MSFT, GOOG, AAPL) .::. Size~: 107.95 KBOct 17 05:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I've decided to take a glimpse at Microsoft news for the first time in 3 weeks... today cause it's Sunday. Wow. MSFT is off the news chart.Oct 17 05:39
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gnufreexOracle is kicking out LibreOfficers from OOo comunity council  http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/10/17/0210209/Oracle-Asks-OpenOffice-Community-Members-To-LeaveOct 17 05:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 146.26 KBOct 17 05:40
schestowitzgnufreex: I know since yesterdayOct 17 05:41
schestowitzWe had it in IRCOct 17 05:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Last Week's Top Posts (Week 41, 2010) http://bit.ly/9HpDEkOct 17 05:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Simple Rhythmbox Plugins: Save Cover In Mp3 Metadata, Save Existing Cover in Mp3 Folder And More http://bit.ly/cWJbFSOct 17 05:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera subscribe to http://techrights.org/comments/feed/ and thanks for the support!Oct 17 05:41
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gnufreexI guess I missed it.Oct 17 05:41
schestowitzMost didOct 17 05:41
schestowitzI got it from libreoffice identica feedsOct 17 05:41
gnufreexIt looks like some bloke said it on IRC, nothing official.Oct 17 05:42
gnufreexThey should play dumb and wait until they get kicked.Oct 17 05:42
schestowitzI knowOct 17 05:43
gnufreexMake Oracle look bad.Oct 17 05:43
schestowitzThat's why I made no post about itOct 17 05:43
schestowitzBut also, it's like OpenSolarisOct 17 05:43
schestowitzOracle plays mind gamesOct 17 05:43
schestowitzMind you:Oct 17 05:43
schestowitzLibreoffice has agendaOct 17 05:43
schestowitzCharles et alOct 17 05:43
schestowitzSo they want to tell the OOo community to leaveOct 17 05:44
schestowitzAnd to join them rather than "evil Oracle"Oct 17 05:44
schestowitzNo official articleOct 17 05:44
schestowitz /. links to some wiki pageOct 17 05:44
schestowitzI couldn't verify muchOct 17 05:44
gnufreexIt is IRC log.Oct 17 05:44
schestowitzi have friends in the OOo communityOct 17 05:44
schestowitzOne of them vanished, another is worriedOct 17 05:44
gnufreexI think Novell is making trouble, I don't trust this LibreOffice thingie.Oct 17 05:45
schestowitzgnufreex: which reminds me, tomorrow when I set up a new router I can catch up with out IRC logs too and published *those8Oct 17 05:45
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schestowitzThe trolls will surely mine them for any comma or oddityOct 17 05:45
schestowitzLooking to throw dirt and feed Techrights with more attention by attacking itOct 17 05:46
gnufreexLet them come :-)Oct 17 05:46
schestowitzThey don't know that the worst one can do is just ignoreOct 17 05:46
lightpriest_just for the heck of it, I tested Acid2 on a pretty old Nokia deviceOct 17 05:46
lightpriest_http://picasaweb.google.com/or.cohen007/InterestingStuff#5528941064741370546Oct 17 05:46
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schestowitzSCO ignored GroklawOct 17 05:46
gnufreexI think LibreOffice is just Go-oo renamed.Oct 17 05:47
lightpriest_while it doesn't look that good. it looks a better then winphone7Oct 17 05:47
schestowitzgnufreex: to a degreeOct 17 05:47
schestowitzlightpriest_: the trolls were on it..Oct 17 05:48
schestowitzLiMo trollOct 17 05:48
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lightpriest_what trolls?Oct 17 05:48
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/stonemirror/status/27606013438Oct 17 05:48
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/stonemirror/status/27593069159Oct 17 05:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Twitter .::. Size~: 42.56 KBOct 17 05:48
gnufreexWho is LiMo troll? Is that a new one?Oct 17 05:48
Diablo-D3lefty maybe?Oct 17 05:49
gnufreexOh, right.Oct 17 05:49
schestowitzI blocked this troll in identicaOct 17 05:49
schestowitzHe nick-spams meOct 17 05:49
Diablo-D3oh wait, you just linked to david schlesinger aka leftyOct 17 05:49
schestowitzI rarely doOct 17 05:49
schestowitzHe's miserableOct 17 05:50
schestowitzHe just harasses all day long now that he's a trollish bumOct 17 05:50
gnufreexLolOct 17 05:51
gnufreexschestowitz: Did you read ubuntu forums thread I linked yesterday? I wanted to puke affter reading it.Oct 17 05:52
schestowitzhttp://www.slaw.ca/2010/10/15/canadian-copyright-book-released-in-print-and-online/Oct 17 05:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Canadian Copyright Book Released in Print and Online   Slaw  .::. Size~: 68.83 KBOct 17 05:52
gnufreexDidn't see that much M$$$ shilling for long time.Oct 17 05:53
schestowitzgnufreex: i didn't get the chance to descend to the forumsOct 17 05:53
schestowitzgnufreex: it's OK, it means it growOct 17 05:53
schestowitzgnufreex: it's OK, it means it growsOct 17 05:53
schestowitzUbuntu Forums that isOct 17 05:53
schestowitzSo it becomes a vacation place for trollsOct 17 05:53
gnufreexThat is bad. It is like saying MS fourms grow, so it is good.Oct 17 05:53
schestowitzit would be worse if it simply got ignoredOct 17 05:54
gnufreexUF is literaly overtaken by trollsOct 17 05:54
gnufreexThey are not trolls, now Linux peopOct 17 05:54
gnufreexleOct 17 05:54
gnufreexAre trollsOct 17 05:54
schestowitzmany ubuntu users are reforms Windows usersOct 17 05:54
schestowitzToday I got a nice E-mail from someone who moved to Ubuntu with a whole movementOct 17 05:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Brazil Should Lead on Access to Essential Medicines - http://huff.to/c8Ox9z great analysis of drug patents (via @DaHammerstein) #patentsOct 17 05:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: Subscribed and thanks for keeping us all up to date.Oct 17 05:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Robert Naiman: Brazil Should Lead on Access to Essential Medicines .::. Size~: 160.32 KBOct 17 05:54
schestowitzHeard of him through y cousinOct 17 05:54
schestowitzShe's an activistOct 17 05:55
schestowitzgnufreex: but they look for impressionable people on the fence in UFOct 17 05:55
schestowitzTo cause unertaintyOct 17 05:55
schestowitz"Flash didn't work? Why not go back to Windows under Linux is ReadyForTheDesktop(TM)?"Oct 17 05:55
lightpriest_http://twitter.com/#!/orpriest/status/27624393633Oct 17 05:56
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MinceRdoes canonical control UF?Oct 17 06:01
gnufreexDon't know. Maybe.Oct 17 06:01
MinceRperhaps the ubuntu hype should be counteracted and new users should be directed towards other distro(s) -- so that canonical's acquiescence of m$ apologist trolls will have less of an effectOct 17 06:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rcweir Presentations on #ODF to Braille and ODF to EPub. This portion of the #ODFPlugfest is focusing on converters.Oct 17 06:03
schestowitzMinceR: it doesOct 17 06:03
schestowitzNot Kubuntu-forumsOct 17 06:03
schestowitzAFAIKOct 17 06:03
MinceRperhaps they don't care about bug #1 anymore, only moneyOct 17 06:03
gnufreexI saw some similariries between Shuttleworth's blog posts and some trolls. But maybe it just looks that way.Oct 17 06:04
MinceRpushing mono and bìng seems to point to thatOct 17 06:04
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/leeschlesinger is no longer with sourceforgeOct 17 06:05
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schestowitzLayoffs?Oct 17 06:05
gnufreexI read some ex FSF paid hackers saying they went to Canonical on job inteview, and decided not to take the job.Oct 17 06:05
schestowitzGeeknet I meanOct 17 06:05
schestowitzMinceR: money bugs himOct 17 06:05
oiaohmRealy I hope to get to messing with systemd configuration tools this week.Oct 17 06:05
oiaohmI have a little plan.Oct 17 06:06
oiaohmMy goal if I pull it off is a boot up option will allow the complete system to be reconfigured basically from nothing.Oct 17 06:07
schestowitzhttp://oti.newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_of_cell_phone_plans_and_pricesOct 17 06:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: An International Comparison of Cell Phone Plans and Prices | NewAmerica.net .::. Size~: 59.97 KBOct 17 06:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #WTF ♺ @schestowitz: RT @graziano #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crpOct 17 06:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Case of Saeed Malekpour: Web Developer Jailed Since 2008, facing death penalty for someone using his code http://ur1.ca/23e7vOct 17 06:18
schestowitzgnufreex: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/27558241964 "Yesterday the #FSFE published false claims, saying that licensing patents from 3rd parties is incompatible with all key FOSS licenses #liars"Oct 17 06:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 151.59 KBOct 17 06:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   The Case of Saeed Malekpour: Web Developer Jailed Since 2008 : United4Iran .::. Size~: 49.75 KBOct 17 06:18
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schestowitzThe mobbyists sidle with BSAOct 17 06:18
gnufreexI linked that...Oct 17 06:18
gnufreexHe is so obvious troll... I wonder why LWN don't kick him out.Oct 17 06:19
schestowitzMore Microsoft promotion from the mobbyist: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/27610530831Oct 17 06:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] And now time for cooking a good #risottoOct 17 06:21
gnufreexWho is that nymtshOct 17 06:21
gnufreexNY times?Oct 17 06:22
gnufreexThey are mobbyists?Oct 17 06:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] After having installed #Opera mini and FireFox on my #Desire. Good to have alternatives and all have good features.Oct 17 06:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @tracyrreed I am now a CAcert Assurer. http://cacert.org > the generous man behind !techrights hostingOct 17 06:23
schestowitzNo, the mobbyists RTs thewmOct 17 06:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Welcome to CAcert.org .::. Size~: 18.9 KBOct 17 06:23
schestowitzNo, the mobbyist RTs themOct 17 06:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Currently looking at android phones now, do you recommend the nexusone or is it missing a feature you'd like?Oct 17 06:26
oiaohmBoy the Oracle boys don't get it with libreoffice.  schestowitzOct 17 06:34
oiaohmRedhat SUSE Debian Ubuntu Fedora.  That I know of have been shipping go-oo labeled as Openoffice for a long time.Oct 17 06:35
oiaohmNow they will ship labeled as libreoffice this is more than a major crack in the OpenOffice world.Oct 17 06:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] suggestion: a preprint archive for clinical trials - http://bit.ly/c1PviT "should ideally provide the main results as downloadable datasets"Oct 17 06:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: In which I suggest a preprint archive for clinical trials  | Gobbledygook .::. Size~: 38.27 KBOct 17 06:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] rumo a Salvador, BA, para http://www.eticahacker.faced.ufba.br/Oct 17 06:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] in praise of copying - http://bit.ly/auab5F "I argue that copying is a fundamental part of being"; free PDF of book #copyingOct 17 06:48
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schestowitz[11:36] <oiaohm> Now they will ship labeled as libreoffice this is more than a major crack in the OpenOffice world.Oct 17 07:00
schestowitzNot a big dealOct 17 07:00
schestowitzBut...Oct 17 07:00
schestowitzWhat do they call Writer?Oct 17 07:00
schestowitzAnd Presenter..Oct 17 07:00
schestowitzAren't these also TMs?Oct 17 07:00
Diablo-D3you cant TM simple words like thatOct 17 07:01
schestowitzYou canOct 17 07:01
schestowitzThere's worseOct 17 07:01
gnufreexWindows is trademarkOct 17 07:01
gnufreexOffice tooOct 17 07:01
schestowitzMacOct 17 07:01
gnufreexthat tooOct 17 07:01
gnufreexAnd bobOct 17 07:01
schestowitzHey. I'm BOB!!!Oct 17 07:01
schestowitzBob & Bob to file class action vs MSFT Corp.Oct 17 07:01
gnufreexI think that would happen if Bob made any sucess...Oct 17 07:02
gnufreexI wish it did. It would make a laugh.Oct 17 07:02
gnufreexAll Bobs of the world sue MicrosoftOct 17 07:03
schestowitzhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-and-Oracle-Prepare-Massive-Security-Updates-for-Tuesday-160179.shtmlOct 17 07:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft and Oracle Prepare Massive Security Updates for Tuesday - Softpedia .::. Size~: 46.11 KBOct 17 07:03
schestowitzMicrosoft also owns MikeRoweOct 17 07:04
schestowitzAnd LindowsOct 17 07:04
gnufreexMikeRowe...lolOct 17 07:04
gnufreexI know about LindowsOct 17 07:04
gnufreexThose idiots could invalidate Windows trademarkOct 17 07:04
gnufreexAnd they sold out.Oct 17 07:04
gnufreexFor 20 milionOct 17 07:04
schestowitzWHo would want to fake Windows?Oct 17 07:05
schestowitzIt's a crappy TMOct 17 07:05
Diablo-D3[07:01:28] <gnufreex> Windows is trademarkOct 17 07:05
Diablo-D3noOct 17 07:05
schestowitzThe "Windows" cruiserOct 17 07:05
Diablo-D3Microsoft Windows is.Oct 17 07:05
schestowitzWould you buy it?Oct 17 07:05
gnufreexIt is good for pissing off Microsoft.Oct 17 07:05
MinceRm$ also attacked "Windows Commander"Oct 17 07:06
gnufreexCall your stuff WindblowsOct 17 07:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Uk I hear 13xdosh lost in tax fraud than benefit fraud, all we hear is benefit fraud, bad. BTW taking responsibility for my own data !fsOct 17 07:08
schestowitzTwitter; "Sorry! You've hit your hourly usage limit. Try again soon."Oct 17 07:09
schestowitzWhat?Oct 17 07:09
schestowitzIs this a new upselling thing/Oct 17 07:09
gnufreexlol, they made hour limit?Oct 17 07:10
schestowitzthey give error pagesOct 17 07:10
schestowitzSo one needs to waitOct 17 07:10
schestowitz"Oct 17 07:10
schestowitzLoading Tweets seems to be taking a while.Oct 17 07:10
schestowitzTwitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.Oct 17 07:10
schestowitz"Oct 17 07:10
schestowitzno problema, I'll ditch themOct 17 07:10
schestowitzI onlt joined twitter after I had joined identica cause some people I know didn't use identicaOct 17 07:11
schestowitzIdentica is ahead in every wayOct 17 07:12
schestowitzhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Makes-Hotmail-Password-Recovery-Safer-158346.shtmlOct 17 07:12
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schestowitzFor the forgetful typesOct 17 07:12
schestowitz"In Korea, only old people use Hotmail"Oct 17 07:12
schestowitzOnly Seniles buy a ZuneOct 17 07:12
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/good-riddance-oracle-now-can-libreoffice-make-a-difference/39768Oct 17 07:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Good riddance Oracle! Now can LibreOffice make a difference? | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 130.35 KBOct 17 07:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @front243 IE6 simulator that works on !linux http://is.gd/g5oSBOct 17 07:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Russian tiger summit offers 'last chance' to save species in the wild - http://bit.ly/c6lxO3 say goodbye to an iconic animal #conservationOct 17 07:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ie6 .::. Size~: 1.94 KBOct 17 07:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Russian tiger summit offers 'last chance' to save species in the wild | Environment | The Observer  .::. Size~: 86.13 KBOct 17 07:14
oiaohmWriter and Presenter cannot be modernday TM.   schestowitzOct 17 07:14
schestowitzWhy not?Oct 17 07:15
schestowitzI know they should notOct 17 07:15
schestowitzBut look at existing TMsOct 17 07:15
oiaohmPrior confliting trademarks.Oct 17 07:15
oiaohmSo no one can own them.Oct 17 07:15
oiaohmSame with Calc.Oct 17 07:16
oiaohmBase is also safe.Oct 17 07:16
oiaohmOnly one they have to watch out for is ImpressOct 17 07:16
oiaohmI don't know of any trademark conflits there.Oct 17 07:16
schestowitzhttp://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20019601-263.htmlOct 17 07:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Excel documents not opening after Office update | MacFixIt - CNET Reviews .::. Size~: 76 KBOct 17 07:17
oiaohmBut Impress could be renamed Presenter without major issues.Oct 17 07:18
schestowitzWhat can this be? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/announcement-from-microsoft-office-division-2010-10-15?reflink=MW_news_stmpOct 17 07:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Announcement From Microsoft Office Division - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 63.95 KBOct 17 07:18
schestowitzhttp://www.rttnews.com/Content/TopStories.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1434794Oct 17 07:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Elevates Kurt DelBene As President Of Office Division  .::. Size~: 69.93 KBOct 17 07:19
oiaohmIs that the announcement schestowitz?Oct 17 07:19
schestowitznoOct 17 07:20
schestowitzthat's the thing, they already made a big announcementOct 17 07:20
schestowitzmaybe some hype attemptOct 17 07:20
schestowitzA fog compouting thingOct 17 07:20
schestowitzI notice nowOct 17 07:20
schestowitzIn 3 weeks...Oct 17 07:20
schestowitzOnly 4 headlines with "azure" in themOct 17 07:20
schestowitzThe thing failed badlyOct 17 07:20
schestowitzNo market demandOct 17 07:20
oiaohmCould be another round of facebook intergration or another attack on openoffice.Oct 17 07:20
schestowitzOne exception: http://www.onwindows.com/Articles/Microsoft-Descartes-use-Azure-cloud/5343/Default.aspxOct 17 07:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft, Descartes use Azure cloud | Microsoft News | OnWindows.com .::. Size~: 43.62 KBOct 17 07:21
oiaohmEven that last week facebook was glitching to hell.Oct 17 07:21
oiaohmShocking would be MS Office on android or something out strange.Oct 17 07:21
oiaohmHang on we are missing the announcement.Oct 17 07:21
oiaohmI almost bet it will be a windows mobile 7 MS office intergration demo.Oct 17 07:22
oiaohmThat platform needs saving.Oct 17 07:22
schestowitzAnd this fluff: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/12/2302985/microsoft-research-makes-microsoft.htmlOct 17 07:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Research Makes Microsoft Biology Foundation and MODISAzure-Based Environmental Service Available to Scientists and Researchers - KansasCity.com .::. Size~: 85.72 KBOct 17 07:22
schestowitzSounds like the "labs" PROct 17 07:22
schestowitzscientists love FOSSOct 17 07:23
schestowitzoiaohm: yeahOct 17 07:23
schestowitzOffice for TurdMobile7Oct 17 07:23
oiaohmAfter every windows mobile release there has been one.Oct 17 07:24
oiaohmSo far we have not had that demo.Oct 17 07:24
oiaohmYes dating back to 1996Oct 17 07:24
oiaohmIf it don't happen TurdMobile 7 is dead.Oct 17 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Last year Microsoft opened a store. It then opened few more, spreading viral videos. Months ago -> radio silence. http://ur1.ca/23epmOct 17 07:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Microsoft Store&.Epic Fail or the next big tech-thing? — The Gadgeteer .::. Size~: 63.69 KBOct 17 07:26
oiaohmReally I wonder how long before google opens a store.Oct 17 07:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft -- like Yahoo -- no longer knows what it is. Software, services, hardware, games? It fails at almost all things, exc. cash cows.Oct 17 07:28
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Jellykernelhttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/10/microsoft-posts-video-of-customers-criticizing-openoffice.arsOct 17 07:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice .::. Size~: 31.26 KBOct 17 07:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Poor @timoreilly needs Microsoft to help him make money. http://ur1.ca/23erbOct 17 07:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Now For Sale On Apples iBookstore: Microsoft Press, OReilly Media Books  .::. Size~: 47.31 KBOct 17 07:29
schestowitzhttp://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Open+Source+Code+is+Too+Expensive+Harms+Students+Grades/article19902.htmOct 17 07:30
schestowitzoiaohm:Oct 17 07:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: DailyTech - Microsoft: Open Source Code is Too Expensive, Harms Students' Grades .::. Size~: 558.83 KBOct 17 07:30
schestowitzI bet you saw them allOct 17 07:30
schestowitzI put lots in Daily LinksOct 17 07:30
schestowitzGold mineOct 17 07:30
schestowitzMicrosoft ->open sourceOct 17 07:30
oiaohmYes I saw that.  schestowitzOct 17 07:31
oiaohmI was asking if mabye some time should techrights run a competition for a open source marketing videos.Oct 17 07:31
schestowitzI hate marketingOct 17 07:32
oiaohmMicrosoft has choosen Youtube a costless site at the battle ground.Oct 17 07:32
schestowitzWhen I see nice videos I make Ogg and postOct 17 07:32
schestowitzBut I produce no adsOct 17 07:32
schestowitzoiaohm: since years agoOct 17 07:32
schestowitzNovell does tooOct 17 07:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microoft loves open source http://ur1.ca/23esl Wait, WHAT?Oct 17 07:33
schestowitzSoapbox is deadOct 17 07:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: DailyTech - Microsoft: Open Source Code is Too Expensive, Harms Students' Grades .::. Size~: 558.76 KBOct 17 07:33
schestowitzhttp://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/student-journalist-openly-rebuffed-by-steve-jobs-wins-microsoft-20101015/Oct 17 07:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Student journalist openly rebuffed by Steve Jobs wins Microsoft Twitter contest – Cell Phones & Mobile Device Technology News & Updates | Geek.com .::. Size~: 58.19 KBOct 17 07:34
schestowitzhttp://gigaom.com/2010/10/12/linux-starts-to-eat-microsofts-lunch-in-servers/Oct 17 07:35
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oiaohmThat will get worseOct 17 07:36
oiaohmWay worse.Oct 17 07:36
oiaohmSamba has not release ADS support yet and openchange has not released exchange emulation yet.Oct 17 07:37
schestowitznenolod: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101006005914/en/Wipro-Partners-Citrix-Microsoft-Deliver-Desktop-ServiceOct 17 07:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Wipro Partners with Citrix and Microsoft to Deliver Desktop as a Service Solution | Business Wire .::. Size~: 74.84 KBOct 17 07:38
schestowitzWipro is a Microsoft ally tooOct 17 07:38
oiaohmYes.  But its also reducing licensing costs.Oct 17 07:38
schestowitzoiaohm: Likewise fights SambaOct 17 07:38
oiaohmSo reducing MS income.Oct 17 07:38
schestowitzAdding Microsoft patent tax to itOct 17 07:38
schestowitzLike Android taxOct 17 07:38
oiaohmLikewise does not provide ADS server.Oct 17 07:38
oiaohminstead just provides ADS intergration.Oct 17 07:39
schestowitz"The Wipro DaaS solution is based on Citrix XenDesktop® and leverages Citrix FlexCast™ delivery technology to provide multiple types of virtual desktops – hosted or local, physical or virtual – each specifically tailored to meet the performance, security and flexibility requirements of each individual user. "Oct 17 07:39
oiaohmYes likewise produces can link to a Samba 4 ADS server.Oct 17 07:39
schestowitzNo LinuxOct 17 07:39
nenolodschestowitz: when citrix bought xen they renamed all their shit to XenThis, XenThatOct 17 07:39
schestowitzI knowOct 17 07:39
Diablo-D3XenVibratorOct 17 07:39
nenolodschestowitz: that's just the old citrix metaframe crapOct 17 07:39
schestowitzThey still do thin Windows clientsOct 17 07:40
Diablo-D3for all your being fucked in the ass by microsoft needsOct 17 07:40
schestowitzor remote accessOct 17 07:40
nenolodDiablo-D3: your virtual machine is Xen, you knowOct 17 07:40
nenolodand well, KVM simply doesn't scaleOct 17 07:40
nenolodoh well, i tried itOct 17 07:40
Diablo-D3nenolod: I just hate citrixOct 17 07:40
MinceRcitrix should buy xenix, then they could release it as XenIxOct 17 07:40
Diablo-D3MinceR: FFFFFFFOct 17 07:40
schestowitzCitrix should try to service Linux moreOct 17 07:41
schestowitzIt gave up, I thinkOct 17 07:41
schestowitzRed Hat put KVM in Linux ~2.6.34Oct 17 07:41
Diablo-D3schestowitz: Citrix is Microsoft.Oct 17 07:41
nenolodschestowitz: .24Oct 17 07:41
nenolodschestowitz: KVM is garbage thoughOct 17 07:41
schestowitz.24 was ages agoOct 17 07:41
nenolod 04:41:45 up 145 days, 11:43,  1 user,  load average: 18.65, 18.20, 17.76Oct 17 07:41
oiaohmnenolod: KVM not scale what is the issue.Oct 17 07:42
nenolod^ kvm boxOct 17 07:42
schestowitztechrights run on a xen instanceOct 17 07:42
nenolodit's called "QEMU is crap"Oct 17 07:42
schestowitzFor now..Oct 17 07:42
schestowitzThe new centos is all kvmOct 17 07:42
nenolodxen itself isn't the problemOct 17 07:42
nenolodjust stay away from citrix xenOct 17 07:42
nenolodand you're goodOct 17 07:42
schestowitzhad uptime of 100+ days till last weekOct 17 07:42
nenolodyes, that's because redhat has put their money on kvmOct 17 07:42
nenolodwhich is crazyOct 17 07:42
MinceRis anyone other than citrix maintaining a fork of it?Oct 17 07:42
schestowitzThe hard-drive needed replacingOct 17 07:42
MinceRxen, that isOct 17 07:43
oiaohmI have not had a problem with KVM scaling.  nenolodOct 17 07:43
Diablo-D3oiaohm: you dont have like 100 thousand customers like neno doesOct 17 07:43
nenolodoiaohm: that box has 20 VMs running on it.Oct 17 07:43
schestowitzXen was a FOSS success story in 2006/7Oct 17 07:43
nenolodoiaohm: it has less VMs than it has cores available.Oct 17 07:43
schestowitzIt was too goodOct 17 07:43
schestowitzMicrosoft had to have itOct 17 07:43
nenolodmicrosoft does not have itOct 17 07:43
schestowitzThen there were rumours about Microsoft buying itOct 17 07:43
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/67126Oct 17 07:44
oiaohmI have had upto 30 on a box.  nenolodOct 17 07:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft, Citrix and Wipro partner to outsource virtual desktops | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 95.84 KBOct 17 07:44
schestowitz"Oct 17 07:44
schestowitz Back to Microsoft SubnetOct 17 07:44
schestowitzThe Microsoft UpdateOct 17 07:44
schestowitzby Julie BortOct 17 07:44
schestowitz"Oct 17 07:44
nenoloddon't careOct 17 07:44
oiaohmThere are a few things but.  Number 1 not running windows in there at all  nenolodOct 17 07:44
schestowitz"Julie Bort is the editor of Microsoft Subnet and Network World's Online Community Editor."Oct 17 07:45
schestowitz"She also writes the [Pseudo-]Open Source Subnet blog"Oct 17 07:45
schestowitz"we in FOSS should leave Mirosoft alone etc etc"Oct 17 07:45
nenolodif an actual microsoft takeover of xen happens, then i will fork itOct 17 07:45
nenoloduntil thenOct 17 07:45
nenolodseriously. don't. care.Oct 17 07:45
nenolodwe have measures in effect for such a scenario - we already have our own tree of xen that we work off internally.Oct 17 07:46
Diablo-D3its called nenohatescitrixOct 17 07:46
nenolodi have a lot more important things to worry about, like feeding my familyOct 17 07:47
Diablo-D3nenolod: you know, its absurd, like, eventually my entire desktop will be your shitOct 17 07:47
Diablo-D3like, I use neno media playerOct 17 07:47
Diablo-D3and Ill eventually switch to neno linux distroOct 17 07:47
schestowitzhttp://www.sdtimes.com/link/34803Oct 17 07:48
nenolodafter all, the war on freedom is something we let schestowitz & lefty duke it out overOct 17 07:48
schestowitz"Rob Enderle, principal analyst at The Enderle Group..."Oct 17 07:48
schestowitzLOLOct 17 07:48
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nenolod<3Oct 17 07:48
MinceRlol @ leftyOct 17 07:48
Diablo-D3schestowitz: lol whatOct 17 07:48
Diablo-D3also, why is lefty even aliveOct 17 07:48
nenolodMicrosoft and AdobeOct 17 07:48
nenolodyeah actuallyOct 17 07:48
MinceRDiablo-D3: good questionOct 17 07:48
nenolodthat works pretty wellOct 17 07:48
oiaohmOk own tree of xen explains something nenolod.  I have not found stock xen much better than kvm in a lot of ways.Oct 17 07:48
nenolodseeing as flash is a pile of assOct 17 07:48
schestowitzRob Enderle, principal analyst of a one-man group called after himself....Oct 17 07:48
Diablo-D3nenolod: its retardedOct 17 07:48
Diablo-D3because photoshop on windows STILL leaks memoryOct 17 07:48
Diablo-D3on osx it doesntOct 17 07:49
Diablo-D3and on osx it runs a fair bit faster tooOct 17 07:49
Diablo-D3photoshop on windows didnt even exist until like version 3 or 4Oct 17 07:49
oiaohmMost likely you have the bugs in xen that annoy me fixed.  nenolodOct 17 07:49
MinceRwell, if m$ bought adobe, they could make it leak on osx, tooOct 17 07:49
nenolodoiaohm: KVM works great as long as your goal is to do HVM.Oct 17 07:49
Diablo-D3MinceR: huuurRRrrrRRRrrRRrrrRrrrRRrrRRROct 17 07:49
nenolodoiaohm: i only do PV domains with xenOct 17 07:49
nenolodHVM is a giant waste of time thereOct 17 07:49
nenolodinfact, we removed the codeOct 17 07:49
schestowitzMinceR: they an go #2 on it while they're at itOct 17 07:50
schestowitz /an/can/Oct 17 07:50
MinceR:>Oct 17 07:50
nenolodinfact, i removed HVM code and stability went up by an order of magnitudeOct 17 07:50
oiaohmYep I am more doing HVM assisted.Oct 17 07:50
schestowitzhttp://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/msft_radvision-partners-with-microsoft-1232409.htmlOct 17 07:50
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nenolodKVM is a lot better for thatOct 17 07:51
oiaohmAnd xen HVM code is what you kinda call a dog breakfast.Oct 17 07:51
nenolodbut until there's a replacement to Xen PVOct 17 07:51
nenolodi'm not interested :pOct 17 07:51
schestowitzMicrosoft is losing in UC, IPTV, streaming... CDN..Oct 17 07:51
oiaohmOk at least I understand where we are different now.  nenolodOct 17 07:51
Diablo-D3schestowitz: not trueOct 17 07:51
nenolodschestowitz: yeah. AT&T was Microsoft's biggest IPTV client.Oct 17 07:51
Diablo-D3I heard xbox is getting netflix nowOct 17 07:51
Diablo-D3dohohohohohoOct 17 07:51
nenolodschestowitz: they've switched to h264Oct 17 07:52
Diablo-D3(after everything does netflix)Oct 17 07:52
Diablo-D3ps3... wii.... computers.... stand alone devices.... TVs... bluray players....Oct 17 07:52
schestowitznetflix=MSOct 17 07:52
schestowitzvirtuallyOct 17 07:53
nenolodnetflix is a lot more useful than MSOct 17 07:53
schestowitzMicrosoft execsOct 17 07:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to the Pestalozzischule for a day of BUSC rehearsals. #RichardOct 17 07:53
schestowitzSo Silver LieOct 17 07:53
nenolodone has porn on demandOct 17 07:53
nenolodthe other does notOct 17 07:53
oiaohmXen PV map up is Lguest but it needs more work.  nenolodOct 17 07:53
nenolodjust sayin'Oct 17 07:53
nenolodoiaohm: BZZTOct 17 07:53
schestowitz <nenolod> netflix is a lot more useful than MS  > sure, I exaggeratedOct 17 07:53
nenolodoiaohm: Xen PV maps up to Lguest in a world where LINUX is the only OS anyone would want to runOct 17 07:53
Diablo-D3schestowitz: yes, but if all these so called microsoft guys work at netflixOct 17 07:53
nenolodoiaohm: there's Plan9, NetBSD, FreeBSD xen vms running on my infrastructureOct 17 07:54
Diablo-D3why the fuck is xbox the LAST platform to get netfliOct 17 07:54
Diablo-D3*flixOct 17 07:54
Diablo-D3its also the shittiestOct 17 07:54
nenolodoiaohm: i think there's some opensolaris in there tooOct 17 07:54
nenolodbut i'd have to go lookOct 17 07:54
Diablo-D3google's browser in a box for TVs does netflix betterOct 17 07:54
nenolodi dunnoOct 17 07:54
nenolodi like my xbox360Oct 17 07:54
nenolodit's like one of the few things MS got right in this decadeOct 17 07:54
MinceRgot your RRoD yet? :>Oct 17 07:54
nenolodyeahOct 17 07:55
Diablo-D3hello RRoD?Oct 17 07:55
Diablo-D3the fuckers are shitOct 17 07:55
MinceRif an over 50% hw failure rate is "getting it right" then i don't want to own stuff anyone "got right" :>Oct 17 07:55
Diablo-D3they died faster than the first gen fat PS2sOct 17 07:55
nenolodDiablo-D3: the 45nm process ones don't do that anymoreOct 17 07:55
nenolodfor what it is worthOct 17 07:55
Diablo-D3nenolod: yes, but microsoft is fucking retardedOct 17 07:55
Diablo-D3they should have waited a year and got it rightOct 17 07:55
nenolodMinceR: i'm talking UX-wiseOct 17 07:55
nenolodMinceR: stuff has warrantiesOct 17 07:55
Diablo-D3whats with all this rushing to market shitOct 17 07:55
Diablo-D3like, look at that new final fantasy gameOct 17 07:56
nenolodMinceR: with everything being made in China now (well, if you live in the US)Oct 17 07:56
Diablo-D3apparently, its not even FINISHEDOct 17 07:56
Diablo-D3it doesnt even WORKOct 17 07:56
Diablo-D3and they're selling itOct 17 07:56
Diablo-D3thats like, fucking EA tactics right thereOct 17 07:56
nenolodDiablo-D3: it's an MMO.  that's how MMOs work.Oct 17 07:56
Diablo-D3Im pretty sure on launch day, WoW worked.Oct 17 07:56
nenolodDiablo-D3: WoW worked, but didn't have everything completedOct 17 07:56
nenolodit was "playable"Oct 17 07:56
schestowitzhttp://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30779/Goldman_Sachs_Recommends_Microsoft_Split_Off_Xbox_Business.phpOct 17 07:56
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nenolodthe idea is, you get enough of it playableOct 17 07:57
nenolodthen you push it to marketOct 17 07:57
nenolodand finish up the rest of the mapOct 17 07:57
nenolodschestowitz: yeah i would think spinning it off would be a good thingOct 17 07:57
schestowitzhttp://blogs.forbes.com/victoriabarret/2010/10/05/goldman-to-microsoft-do-something/?boxes=HomepagechannelsOct 17 07:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Goldman to Microsoft: Do Something - Victoria Barret - Upside Potential - Forbes .::. Size~: 83.16 KBOct 17 07:57
Diablo-D3nenolod: Im not saying they need all the content doneOct 17 07:57
Diablo-D3which is impossible, the content is NEVER doneOct 17 07:57
Diablo-D3the new FF mmo doesnt even _function_Oct 17 07:57
nenolodmicrosoft should spin off BingOct 17 07:58
Diablo-D3into what... Yahoo?Oct 17 07:58
nenolodyeahOct 17 07:58
MinceRm$ should close shop so they don't die the slow wayOct 17 07:58
nenolodthe problem with microsoft is that there is a culture there of micro managementOct 17 07:58
nenolodxbox was actually initially a skunkworks thingOct 17 07:58
oiaohmnenolod: lguest support does not end at linux.  Freebsd and plan9 do have versions.   The one part I wish was moved to lguest is kvm xenloader it really don't make sence there.Oct 17 07:58
Diablo-D3so basically... Yahoo licenses their engine to Microsoft.... and then ... Microsoft hands it back to Yahoo?Oct 17 07:58
Diablo-D3I HEART MICROSOFTOct 17 07:58
Diablo-D3seriouslyOct 17 07:58
Diablo-D3I wish someday I can mismanage a company that hardOct 17 07:59
nenolodoiaohm: [citation needed]Oct 17 07:59
MinceRlolOct 17 07:59
Diablo-D3thats some pretty funny shit right thereOct 17 07:59
nenolod$ grep lguest /usr/src/sys/* | wc -lOct 17 08:00
nenolod0Oct 17 08:00
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schestowitzMinceR: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/549320/201010041835/Apple-Now-Targeted-For-Success-Like-Microsoft-Was-In-The-1990s.aspxOct 17 08:04
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schestowitzLesson: if people are criticized, it's always due to jealousyOct 17 08:04
schestowitzBrought to you by... INVETORS.COMOct 17 08:04
schestowitz*INVESTORS.COMOct 17 08:04
nenolodsometimes that is the case, not with the iphone thoughOct 17 08:05
nenolodthe iphone is weakOct 17 08:05
schestowitz"Don't listen to them, they just hatin'!"Oct 17 08:05
oiaohmnenolod: do you read french?  For some reason I am only finding 2009 instructions to use plan 9 on lguest in french.Oct 17 08:05
schestowitz"The homeless choose to be homeless"Oct 17 08:05
schestowitz"The jobless are lazy"Oct 17 08:05
nenolodandroid is shite, but it's already won because of market penetrationOct 17 08:05
oiaohmOr what looks like french to me.Oct 17 08:05
nenolodit's the "least bad"Oct 17 08:05
nenolodoiaohm: yeahOct 17 08:05
nenolodoiaohm: i found plan9Oct 17 08:05
nenolodoiaohm: freebsd is a bit more importantOct 17 08:06
schestowitz"The economy is tanking cause of the unemployed" [not Wall Street speculators]Oct 17 08:06
schestowitzAndroid can make phone callsOct 17 08:06
Diablo-D3the economy isnt tankingOct 17 08:06
schestowitzI guess that's enoughOct 17 08:06
Diablo-D3and it never didOct 17 08:06
Diablo-D3it just properly repriced assetsOct 17 08:06
MinceRschestowitz: lolOct 17 08:06
nenolodschestowitz: so can the iphone*Oct 17 08:06
nenolod* provided you hold it the right wayOct 17 08:06
Diablo-D3nenolod: :DOct 17 08:07
schestowitzThat tooOct 17 08:07
nenolodmanOct 17 08:07
schestowitzhypePhone is not for callsOct 17 08:07
MinceRwell, m$ has an idea about what caused the hypePhone to be successful, and they're trying it outOct 17 08:07
nenolodi switched from Cox to AT&TOct 17 08:07
MinceRso far, kin floppedOct 17 08:07
nenolodi called them upOct 17 08:07
schestowitzit's to tell your friends you're betterOct 17 08:07
nenolodthey offered to buy out my vzw contractOct 17 08:07
schestowitzIt also does other thingOct 17 08:07
nenolodand give me an iphone 4 for freeOct 17 08:07
schestowitzLike fart apps and stuffOct 17 08:07
nenolodi'm like "nah, i'll keep my blackberry curve"Oct 17 08:07
nenolodthe guy was like, "why?!"Oct 17 08:07
schestowitzFor farting while you talk to your boyfriendOct 17 08:07
nenolod"well, unlike this new stuff, the curve just works"Oct 17 08:08
nenolodsoftware freedom + doesn't work is not really too useful for meOct 17 08:08
nenolodotherwise i guess i would be enthusiastic about androidOct 17 08:08
nenolodbut like, i need an actually working email clientOct 17 08:08
nenolodand android has yet to deliver on anything that is usableOct 17 08:09
schestowitzgmailOct 17 08:09
schestowitzfog...Oct 17 08:09
nenolodseriously, if your email client can't let you edit the entire email replyOct 17 08:09
nenolodit sucksOct 17 08:09
nenolodnoOct 17 08:09
schestowitzadsOct 17 08:09
schestowitzgmail=adsOct 17 08:09
nenolodgmail is bad for  2 reasons:Oct 17 08:09
schestowitzOne-billion dollar marketOct 17 08:09
schestowitzSays Schmidt right nowOct 17 08:10
nenolod(1) you have to outsource to the google cloudOct 17 08:10
nenolod(2) forced top posting in the gmail appOct 17 08:10
schestowitzIt also sends ads inside the msgsOct 17 08:10
nenolodok, that's a third reasonOct 17 08:10
nenolodyou know one great thing about bb is: no adsOct 17 08:10
nenolodyeah it's closed sourceOct 17 08:10
nenolodbutOct 17 08:10
schestowitzwhen do we get 'free' SMTP server from GOOG?Oct 17 08:10
nenolodit has 2 great things going for itOct 17 08:10
nenolod(1) it worksOct 17 08:10
nenolod(2) no stupid ads all over the placeOct 17 08:11
schestowitzThey already do DNS and link shortenersOct 17 08:11
schestowitzSMTP gives them more surveillance, 'free' of chargeOct 17 08:11
MinceRi thought their SMTP already workedOct 17 08:11
nenolodanywayOct 17 08:11
MinceR(though they store everything you send, forever)Oct 17 08:11
schestowitzwith loginOct 17 08:11
nenolodthe android email app sucksOct 17 08:11
schestowitzMaybeOct 17 08:11
MinceRyes, with loginOct 17 08:11
MinceRglobal smtp without login would be spam heavenOct 17 08:11
nenolodit presents an email reply likeOct 17 08:11
nenolod[your reply here]Oct 17 08:12
nenolodQuoted text: [X]Oct 17 08:12
nenolod[immutable email that you're replying to here]Oct 17 08:12
nenolod[send!!!!]Oct 17 08:12
schestowitzGoogle could set limits on SMTP usageOct 17 08:12
schestowitzOr blacklist spammersOct 17 08:12
nenolodthis really sucks as far as a UI goesOct 17 08:12
nenolodi mean, it really sucksOct 17 08:12
nenolodschestowitz: i used to do the whole anti-spam thing.  it's a losing battleOct 17 08:12
MinceRthey must have used outlook too muchOct 17 08:12
schestowitzthen there's phoneOct 17 08:13
nenolodi mean the android UX is so bad it sends me back to my bb curve every time for emailOct 17 08:13
schestowitzmailrouter.man.ac.uk not subjected to itOct 17 08:13
schestowitzBut how about BT or Virgin?Oct 17 08:13
schestowitzThey would let Phorm have any port they wantOct 17 08:13
schestowitzThey make money from selling personal data of their clientsOct 17 08:14
nenolodugh phormOct 17 08:14
nenolodi remember that whole thing when i was living in walesOct 17 08:14
schestowitzThen they brag about low pricesOct 17 08:14
schestowitzTalkTalk tooOct 17 08:14
nenolodi was likeOct 17 08:14
nenolod"haha, jokes on you assholes, i use eclipse"Oct 17 08:14
nenolodthen i found outOct 17 08:14
nenolod"eclipse is signing on to phorm"Oct 17 08:14
nenolodand i was like "owned. :<"Oct 17 08:15
oiaohmReally MinceR a know spammer feeding into a open smtp server that does not pass on the email but adds them to spam filter and filters rest of emial against is quite effective.Oct 17 08:15
MinceRoiaohm: that's an entirely different application :>Oct 17 08:15
nenolodoiaohm: that's called honeypotsOct 17 08:15
oiaohmExactly.Oct 17 08:15
nenolodmail blacklisting results in crap like SORBS thoughOct 17 08:15
MinceRoiaohm: legitimate users would still need to log inOct 17 08:15
oiaohmNo reason why google could not use there smtp as a honey pot.Oct 17 08:16
nenolodSORBS is obnoxiousOct 17 08:16
nenolodSORBS blacklisted my space because it looked like:Oct 17 08:16
nenolodip-67-202-104-180.chi2.systeminplace.netOct 17 08:16
nenolodinstead of:Oct 17 08:16
nenolodip-67-202-104-180.static.chi2.systeminplace.netOct 17 08:16
MinceRlolOct 17 08:16
nenolodthey were likeOct 17 08:16
nenolodWE COULDNT TELL IF IT WAS DYNAMIC OR NOTOct 17 08:16
Diablo-D3nenolod: DYNAMIC IPS ON VPSESOct 17 08:17
MinceRsomeone should manage a dynamic IP range with that ".static." elementOct 17 08:17
nenolodMinceR: yes it is stupidOct 17 08:17
nenolodthey are likeOct 17 08:18
nenolodyou should use .static. for static ipsOct 17 08:18
nenolodand .dhcp. for dhcp ipsOct 17 08:18
nenolodand .ppp. for ppp ipsOct 17 08:18
oiaohmHopefully when IPV6 eventionlly gets on Line.  People paying static will not end up with old abused dynamic addressesOct 17 08:18
Diablo-D3it IS online, douchenutsOct 17 08:18
schestowitzsheeshOct 17 08:19
schestowitzlanguage!Oct 17 08:19
oiaohmAround here its not.  Diablo-D3Oct 17 08:19
nenolodoiaohm: i have 7 IPv6 bgp sessions up right now - pretty sure it's onlineOct 17 08:19
Diablo-D3oiaohm: the internet's major core routers route ipv6 natively.Oct 17 08:19
Diablo-D3so FUD elsewhere kthxOct 17 08:19
nenolodDiablo-D3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0Oct 17 08:19
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oiaohmI was refering to here.  Diablo-D3 Currently none of my local ISP offer IPV6 addresses.Oct 17 08:20
Diablo-D3so your local ISPs are incompatible with the Internet.Oct 17 08:20
Diablo-D3okay.Oct 17 08:20
nenolodcox kept promising ipv6Oct 17 08:20
nenolodit never happenedOct 17 08:20
gnufreex[13:42:53] <MinceR> is anyone other than citrix maintaining a fork of it?Oct 17 08:21
gnufreexOracle VM is fork of XenOct 17 08:21
*MinceR suspects that's not what nenolod is tracking :>Oct 17 08:21
nenolodoracle vm is a fork of xen yesOct 17 08:21
schestowitzgnufreex: virtualironOct 17 08:21
nenolodit's also a giant pile of crapOct 17 08:21
nenolodvirtualiron is a fork of xen's hvm code onlyOct 17 08:22
nenolodit's probably a lot better than xen's hvm code thoughOct 17 08:22
nenolodVI used to be pretty good in the old daysOct 17 08:22
gnufreexschestowitz: No, it predates Virtual Iron. Virtual Iron is dead, Oracle bought it to kill it.Oct 17 08:22
nenolodno, VI is pretty oldOct 17 08:23
Diablo-D3nenolod: also, ffff musicOct 17 08:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] question: anyone know of any active project for open access UK post code data? code<->street. OS released code->lat/long?Oct 17 08:23
nenolodVI is from 2002Oct 17 08:23
nenolodit competed with vmware ESXOct 17 08:23
nenolodvmware ESX really sucks thoughOct 17 08:23
gnufreexnenolod: Oracle bought them last year and killed everything.Oct 17 08:23
oiaohmThere are still very large sections of the gobal map that have not updated to support IPV6 yet.  My area is 2 years off.   Same time they lay fiber to homes.Oct 17 08:23
*schestowitz thought VI editorOct 17 08:23
nenolodgnufreex: bummerOct 17 08:23
MinceRlolOct 17 08:23
MinceRschestowitz: that's vi, not VIOct 17 08:24
nenolodgnufreex: oracle VM sucks anyhowOct 17 08:24
schestowitz[13:23] <nenolod> no, VI is pretty oldOct 17 08:24
schestowitzThat's where I was confusedOct 17 08:24
nenolodyeah i was referring to the fact that virtualiron was around before xenOct 17 08:24
Diablo-D3god used vi to write the lisp the universe is written inOct 17 08:25
nenolodif onlyOct 17 08:25
Diablo-D3wait, maybe he used emacsOct 17 08:25
*Diablo-D3 holds up a picture of God, and a picture of RMSOct 17 08:25
Diablo-D3you know, God has gained a few poundsOct 17 08:25
nenolodi bought a lisp machine at a garage sale like 10 years agoOct 17 08:25
nenolodit is awesomeOct 17 08:25
nenolodamiga and lisp machines are actually quite similar conceptuallyOct 17 08:26
nenolodi mean look at ARexxOct 17 08:26
Diablo-D3nothxOct 17 08:26
nenolodwhy doesn't FOSS still have this shitOct 17 08:26
nenolodstill not*Oct 17 08:26
MinceRDiablo-D3: no, he mostly hacked it up in Perl.Oct 17 08:26
nenolodwhy does FOSS still not have this stuffOct 17 08:27
nenolodratherOct 17 08:27
Diablo-D3nenolod: because faggots lurv pythonOct 17 08:27
nenolodeven windows has it with OLE/ActiveXOct 17 08:27
MinceRlol wutOct 17 08:27
gnufreexI wanted to learn Lisp, but couldn't find time to tinker... and it is of no use today.Oct 17 08:27
gnufreexMaybe I learn ClojureOct 17 08:27
gnufreexIs it any good?Oct 17 08:28
Diablo-D3learn java you moronOct 17 08:28
nenolodthe lack of first-class IPC in FOSS is depressingOct 17 08:28
gnufreexI know Java alreadyOct 17 08:28
Diablo-D3then you know all the languages you'll ever need to knowOct 17 08:28
MinceRlolOct 17 08:28
gnufreexnenolod: IPC ?Oct 17 08:29
nenolodlike, i mean dbus is horribleOct 17 08:29
nenoloddbus's functionality is something that should be in the kernelOct 17 08:29
nenolodyou should be able to doOct 17 08:29
gnufreexMach has great stuf... lolOct 17 08:29
gnufreexIt hurts my brainsOct 17 08:30
nenolodpid_t pid = 27348; ipchandle *ih = ipc_open(27348, DIR_REQ, PORT_MOO);Oct 17 08:30
oiaohmThere is a developers looking at moving dbus to kernel.  nenolodOct 17 08:30
nenolodih->send(&(port_moo_req_t){.cows = "go moo!!!!"}, sizeof(port_moo_req_t));Oct 17 08:30
nenolodbut we can'tOct 17 08:31
Diablo-D3thats rather disgusting codeOct 17 08:31
nenolodmind, you can do this on a system from 1985Oct 17 08:31
nenolodbut we can't do it hereOct 17 08:31
Diablo-D3nenolod: so, I hate myself nowOct 17 08:31
Diablo-D3I finally broke down and wrote an obj parserOct 17 08:31
nenolodDiablo-D3: i do not care about JavaOct 17 08:31
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Diablo-D3no, wavefront objs.Oct 17 08:31
Diablo-D3as in, the world's worst 3D formatOct 17 08:31
nenolodactuallyOct 17 08:32
nenolod&(type){member-decls} is a neat C99-ismOct 17 08:32
Diablo-D3its disgustingOct 17 08:32
nenolodyeah, but it's oh so usefulOct 17 08:32
Diablo-D3that'd be like doing Foo bar = new Foo(){.quux()}Oct 17 08:33
nenolodthat's valid C#Oct 17 08:33
Diablo-D3fuck, really?Oct 17 08:33
nenolodoops, did i say that aloud here?Oct 17 08:33
nenolodyesOct 17 08:33
Diablo-D3I hate C# even more nowOct 17 08:33
nenolodi remember this becauseOct 17 08:33
nenolodsomebody filed a bug when we were writing the DotGNU portable C#.NET compilerOct 17 08:34
nenolodthen Ximian came along, stole all our code ported it to GLib and it was "game over, man"Oct 17 08:34
Diablo-D3valolaOct 17 08:34
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gnufreex[14:34:35] <nenolod> then Ximian came along, stole all our code ported it to GLib and it was "game over, man"Oct 17 08:35
gnufreexSo Mono compiler is based on .GNU one?Oct 17 08:35
nenolodat one time it wasOct 17 08:35
Diablo-D3gnufreex: dont do thatOct 17 08:35
nenolodi think they rewrote it in C#Oct 17 08:35
Diablo-D3its dotGNUOct 17 08:35
nenolodi don't really careOct 17 08:35
Diablo-D3gnu is not a top level domainOct 17 08:35
nenolodthe dotGNU guys and the Mono guys used to sit there trolling each other on IRCOct 17 08:36
gnufreexHahaOct 17 08:36
Diablo-D3I can see thatOct 17 08:36
nenolodi didn't have anything to do with it!!Oct 17 08:36
Diablo-D3<dotGNU guys> Release... the Kraken!Oct 17 08:36
Diablo-D3<RMS> AARRWOOOOOOOOOct 17 08:36
gnufreexI figure now why Mono compiler is GPL. Practicaly all parts of Mono are MIT X11 now.Oct 17 08:37
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Diablo-D3<deIcaza> ARGH! GET IT OFF! GET IT OFF! AAAAAARGHOct 17 08:37
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nenolodi can't stand miguelOct 17 08:37
nenolodbut i have personal reasonsOct 17 08:37
Diablo-D3miguel is such a fucking dickwadOct 17 08:37
nenolodmainly that mono ripped off my hard work and even removed copyright noticesOct 17 08:37
Diablo-D3nenolod: suesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesueOct 17 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] my co.cc seems to be down. Reverting temporarily to the Wordpress subdomain in my profile again.Oct 17 08:38
nenolodDiablo-D3: so not worth itOct 17 08:38
gnufreexnenolod: You could sue them, that is DMCA violationOct 17 08:38
nenolodDiablo-D3: they rewrote the infringing parts anywayOct 17 08:38
nenolodmiguel was banned in #dotgnuOct 17 08:39
nenolodhe was that popular!Oct 17 08:39
nenolodanyway, all old news anywayOct 17 08:39
Diablo-D3Im banned in #monoOct 17 08:40
nenolodmono put out mono 1.0 and by that point dotGNU was 100% deadOct 17 08:40
*Diablo-D3 is that popular.Oct 17 08:40
nenoloddotGNU came along for the same reason WINE existsOct 17 08:40
nenolodanywhoOct 17 08:41
nenolodnew Foo(){ ... } is also valid in JavaOct 17 08:41
nenolodi'm pretty sureOct 17 08:41
nenolodthe C++ equivilant is ummOct 17 08:41
nenolodFoo()::Foo(int iMoo, int iBar, int iBaz) : moo(iMoo), bar(iBar), baz(iBaz) {};Oct 17 08:42
nenolodthen you just pass it to the constructorOct 17 08:42
nenolodwhich is weakOct 17 08:42
nenolodbutOct 17 08:42
nenolodit's the same ideaOct 17 08:42
nenolod-()Oct 17 08:43
nenolodactually, i would say to some extentOct 17 08:44
nenolodthe reason why Mono exists now over dotGNUOct 17 08:44
nenolodwas because RMS let it go down the drainOct 17 08:44
nenolodinstead of getting a new core maintainer to replace nb, he just ignored requests from that teamOct 17 08:45
*nenolod gets his caneOct 17 08:45
gnufreexHow RMS is to blame... why spend good FSF money to evil causeOct 17 08:45
nenolodat the time it was not an evil causeOct 17 08:46
gnufreexNow it would be.Oct 17 08:46
gnufreexBetter to smear de Icaza then FSFOct 17 08:46
gnufreex:-)Oct 17 08:46
nenolodhad dotGNU been a successful project, .NET would have gone down a lot differentlyOct 17 08:46
nenolodthe whole plan was to force our way through the ECMA processOct 17 08:46
gnufreexWhen I think better, you are right.Oct 17 08:47
nenolodand RMS was supportive of that strategy.Oct 17 08:47
nenolodbut by the time Mono 1.0 was around, ECMA process was basically doneOct 17 08:47
nenolodso nobody cared anymoreOct 17 08:47
nenolodbut we could have gotten in on the .Net 2.0 specification drafting processOct 17 08:47
nenolodIcaza had no such interestsOct 17 08:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] have the MIPS systems almost up and running again. noticed PMON is not the same version on these systems :-sOct 17 08:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anonymous Takes Out UK Intellectual Property Office Website - http://bit.ly/b3MZ1w I have the feeling this isn't going to help #ddos #ukOct 17 08:48
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nenolodwhich is why Microsoft played nice with themOct 17 08:48
nenolodto Microsoft, dotGNU was a /threat/Oct 17 08:48
nenolodbecause we would have had equal access in the ECMA processesOct 17 08:48
nenolodMono having equal access instead was not a problem because Icaza didn't careOct 17 08:49
nenolodFSF having access though, they cared a big deal about thatOct 17 08:49
gnufreexDe Icaza is working for Microsoft, so he don't want to push. Mono advocates like to compare Mono with samba, as in "samba is also in danger from M$". They should cmpare Jeremy Alison to De Icaza. JRA gave hard time to Microsoft and eventualy made them give papers through court. De Icaza loves everything that comes from Microsoft and spins it against free software.Oct 17 08:50
oiaohmSamba lead developers were prepared to put the legal battle first to get it sorted out.Oct 17 08:51
nenolodIcaza's whole business (Ximian) was on interoperability with Microsoft technology.Oct 17 08:51
nenolodit should be unsurprising that he has such views :pOct 17 08:52
nenolodpoint is, FSF's interest in .NET with dotGNU was to force their way into the .NET 2.0 ECMA spec drafting processOct 17 08:52
gnufreexWell... I am suprised. If I was in his shoes, I would push to get my bussines legalized.Oct 17 08:52
gnufreexNot hope that M$ are nice.Oct 17 08:52
oiaohmRemember Novell has a deal.  gnufreexOct 17 08:53
oiaohmSo he is safe at this stage.Oct 17 08:53
gnufreexYeah, he is safe now, and probably has personal deal with MSFT.Oct 17 08:53
nenolodand dotGNU died because Icaza+Mono worked directly with M$ and had access to internal docsOct 17 08:53
nenolodthis is well known :pOct 17 08:54
oiaohmAlso some of the new code turning up in mono is coming from Microsoft developers directly as well.Oct 17 08:54
nenolodwellOct 17 08:54
nenolodthat doesn't matter anymoreOct 17 08:54
gnufreexAnd licensed under MS-PLOct 17 08:54
gnufreexAnti-GPL licenseOct 17 08:54
nenolodtheir goal was, with icazaOct 17 08:54
oiaohmI really suspect mono change licence was to allow Microsoft to take code back from monoOct 17 08:55
nenolodto crush dotGNUOct 17 08:55
oiaohmBasically Mono Microsoft these days is appearing to be double way releationship.Oct 17 08:55
nenolodmicrosoft did not want anyone else with an agenda being in the ECMA processOct 17 08:55
oiaohmNotice the mono still has not released a ECMA only version.Oct 17 08:56
oiaohmI don't think it possible.Oct 17 08:56
nenolodyes :)Oct 17 08:56
gnufreexYes, they changed to MIT so MSFT can have the code.Oct 17 08:56
nenolodanywayOct 17 08:56
nenolod07:49:19  gnufreex:> And licensed under MS-PLOct 17 08:56
nenolod07:49:25  gnufreex:> Anti-GPL licenseOct 17 08:56
oiaohmJust like all MS spec sheets I suspect the ECMA has errors.Oct 17 08:56
nenolodpersonally i'm not pro-GPLOct 17 08:56
gnufreexMaking class libraries is laborious task.Oct 17 08:56
nenolodamost all code i write is ISC licenseOct 17 08:57
oiaohmMS-PL is strangely enough GPL v3 compadible.Oct 17 08:57
nenolodalmost*Oct 17 08:57
oiaohmIe to be wrapped by GPL v3Oct 17 08:57
gnufreexoiaohm: How's that?Oct 17 08:57
oiaohmMS-PL declare include patent grant and is open enough to be wrapped by GPLv3Oct 17 08:57
gnufreexoiaohm: IT says explicitly "MS-PL of GTFO"Oct 17 08:57
gnufreexoiaohm: IT says explicitly "MS-PL or GTFO"Oct 17 08:58
nenolodgnufreex: GPLv3 says explicitly GPLv3 or GTFOOct 17 08:58
oiaohmNote the other way is not possible.Oct 17 08:58
oiaohmIe MS-PL containing GPLv3 cannot be done.Oct 17 08:58
gnufreexnenolod: And MS-PL says that too. So incompatible.Oct 17 08:58
oiaohmBut GPLv3 containing MS-PL can be done.Oct 17 08:58
nenolodthis is why i use ISC for everythingOct 17 08:59
nenolod:POct 17 08:59
gnufreexoiaohm: It can be done if you own all the code.Oct 17 08:59
nenolodISC is so simple a 5 year old can understand itOct 17 08:59
nenolodthe only time i use GPL is if i have a commercial interest in the codeOct 17 09:00
nenolodin that case, you can use GPL or buy a non-GPL license if the GPL terms are too restrictiveOct 17 09:00
nenolodi think the GPL is great for that modelOct 17 09:01
gnufreexnenolod: Simplicity is overrated. When I think about those "additional freedoms" that permisive licenses give I get scared: Freedom #5: Freedom to watch your code competes against you. Freedom #6: Freedom to get sued by contributor for patent infridgement...Oct 17 09:01
oiaohmnenolod: remember wine started off with a MIT licence then latter changed to LGPLOct 17 09:02
oiaohmThere is such thing as too much freedom.Oct 17 09:02
gnufreexThere is freedom and there is powerOct 17 09:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Leaked Letter — BSA Pressures Europe To Kill Open Standards (FSF): http://bit.ly/cUJRml (via @Slashdot)Oct 17 09:03
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nenolodoiaohm: yes. obviously, but a number of projects i work on i have no interest inOct 17 09:03
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gnufreexLet me find FSF article...Oct 17 09:03
nenolodoiaohm: anything i have an actual interest in i put under GPLOct 17 09:03
gnufreexhttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/freedom-or-power.htmlOct 17 09:03
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gnufreexThe love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves.Oct 17 09:03
gnufreex-- William HazlittOct 17 09:03
nenolodbecause you are right, the GPL does give important protections when you need those protectionsOct 17 09:03
nenolodlet me put it this wayOct 17 09:05
oiaohmYep particularly that you competitor cannot take you code extend and not give you the code so leaving you at a disadvantage in the market.Oct 17 09:05
nenolodseveral years ago, i used to put most of my code in the public domainOct 17 09:05
nenolodISC is as close as you can get with it being a legit licenseOct 17 09:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Will saints be much harder to create in the future because as time goes on we will know more about their day to day lifes? #religionOct 17 09:06
gnufreexWTFPL is legit tooOct 17 09:06
gnufreexhttp://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/Oct 17 09:07
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nenolodi prefer ISC for thisOct 17 09:07
oiaohmI was just about to point to that one.Oct 17 09:07
nenolodit's a bit more proOct 17 09:07
nenolodthanOct 17 09:07
nenolod"Do what the fuck you want to"Oct 17 09:07
nenolodi mean, i like being able to get hired placesOct 17 09:07
gnufreexI am joking :-)Oct 17 09:07
oiaohmNot like to upset bos or filters.  nenolodOct 17 09:07
oiaohmI have had cases of site filters blocking wtfpl licence.Oct 17 09:08
oiaohmYes just because it contains the F work.Oct 17 09:08
nenolodhttp://hg.atheme.org/atheme/atheme/file/f3e44f7e6b30/COPYINGOct 17 09:09
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nenolodISC is even copyleft!Oct 17 09:09
nenolodit forces you to keep the license text and doesn't grant you the ability to sublicense!Oct 17 09:09
oiaohmISC is not completely bad.Oct 17 09:10
oiaohmwtfpl is closer to public domian than ISC.   But still who wants to be any closer to public domain than ISCOct 17 09:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Lobby Lens - http://bit.ly/9aztGV clickable, graphical representation of lobbyists and clients - amazing: want now (via @WhosLobbying) #auOct 17 09:11
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gnufreexnenolod: How come ISC copyleft?Oct 17 09:12
nenolod08:04:12  nenolod:> it forces you to keep the license text and doesn't grant you the ability to sublicense!Oct 17 09:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Re saints, More like trying to name an aircraft carrier after Ronald Reagan.Oct 17 09:13
nenolodit also does not grant permission to change the license text in any wayOct 17 09:13
gnufreexThat sucks then. It fails the purpose.Oct 17 09:13
oiaohmISC is like bsd that way.Oct 17 09:13
gnufreexIf you want to have that, you should use GPL.Oct 17 09:14
nenolodgnufreex: the purpose is to keep the codebase under the ISC licenseOct 17 09:14
nenolodgnufreex: GPL is aggressively copyleft.  It forces everything else to become GPL.Oct 17 09:14
nenolodgnufreex: I do not agree with that.Oct 17 09:14
nenolodi actually like the Apache 2.0 LicenseOct 17 09:15
nenolodi don't think it's GPL compatible thoughOct 17 09:15
amarsh04back in a few, testing kernel with initrd rebuilt with udev 163Oct 17 09:15
gnufreexSo it keeps code from geting into GPL, but lets go binary only? That is pretty bad.Oct 17 09:15
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licensesOct 17 09:15
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gnufreexApache v2 is compatible with GPLv3Oct 17 09:15
nenolodgnufreex: some changes can be made to the ISC text to force source distribution with binary distributionOct 17 09:16
oiaohmISC is not offically marked as a copyleaf.  nenolod  ISC does not force all new code added to be under ISCOct 17 09:16
nenolodoiaohm: it does not, no.Oct 17 09:16
nenolodbut it forces existing codeOct 17 09:16
nenolodand that is all i care aboutOct 17 09:16
oiaohmA true copyleaf does.Oct 17 09:16
oiaohmIe close just not quite.Oct 17 09:16
nenolodanywayOct 17 09:17
gnufreexExisting code stays under existing license, no matter what.Oct 17 09:17
nenolodi don't really care about licensingOct 17 09:17
gnufreexThat is not copyleft.Oct 17 09:17
nenolodanyone who cares more about licensing than code is generally uninteresting to meOct 17 09:17
nenoloda big problem for FOSS is that people look at it, then they see schestowitz & lefty going at it and they get scaredOct 17 09:18
nenolodso they stick with "what they know"Oct 17 09:18
oiaohmI have learnt to care about licencing more after the codeweavers vs transgaming.Oct 17 09:19
oiaohmWhen wine risked losing codeweavers support due to transgaming keeping secrets.Oct 17 09:19
gnufreexnenolod: The problem is, if you don't care about licensing, all coding won't matter.Oct 17 09:20
nenolodgnufreex: and i disagree - code and product quality are as important if not more important than licensingOct 17 09:20
gnufreexBut... it is complicted issue.Oct 17 09:20
oiaohmAnything critical I need better be under the right license so key contributors don't end up in a location to keep income they have to consider walking away.Oct 17 09:20
nenolodgnufreex: GPLv3 does a great jobOct 17 09:21
nenolodISC does a great jobOct 17 09:21
oiaohmProduct quality slips if you don't have the developers.Oct 17 09:21
nenolodBSD does a great jobOct 17 09:21
oiaohmBSD not so much when you compare BSD progress against GPL progress.Oct 17 09:21
nenolodit all depends on what you are trying to doOct 17 09:21
nenolodthe point isOct 17 09:21
oiaohmBSD is good for getting standards out like TCP/IPOct 17 09:22
nenolodand this is the point that lefty tries to make but fails at making due to being an assholeOct 17 09:22
oiaohmBut for geting new featuresOct 17 09:22
nenolodthere is a GPL zealotry problemOct 17 09:22
oiaohmNot as good.Oct 17 09:22
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nenolodlike the sparkleshare incidentOct 17 09:22
oiaohmLGPL has worked for a lot of projects really well.Oct 17 09:22
nenolodthe author of sparkleshare got derided for writing his code in C#Oct 17 09:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] BBC News - What will South Korea do with gigabit internet speeds? http://ping.fm/nyVjUOct 17 09:23
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nenolodeven though it was otherwise free softwareOct 17 09:23
nenolodthose people, who spend there time doing that instead of doing something constructive need to GTFOOct 17 09:23
nenolodand i am tired of those peopleOct 17 09:23
oiaohmReally it was a clone of another program.Oct 17 09:23
oiaohmHistorically do that at your own risk.Oct 17 09:23
gnufreexnenolod: Lefty lies a lot. He didn't get get 'derided'Oct 17 09:23
nenolodgnufreex: he got derided.  i read everything for myself and reached my own conclusions.Oct 17 09:24
oiaohmRemember the toasting gnote got.  nenolodOct 17 09:24
oiaohmHeck sparkleshare got off light.Oct 17 09:24
nenolodbradley kuhn needs to keep his mouth shutOct 17 09:24
nenolodevery time he opens it, it spawns a PR disasterOct 17 09:24
oiaohmAnd I expect to see libreoffice get some toasting for Oracle as well.Oct 17 09:25
nenolodand like it or not, PR is important when you're someone like bkuhnOct 17 09:25
oiaohmIt is the nature of the beast.Oct 17 09:25
oiaohmFork a project you will get hit.Oct 17 09:25
nenolodsparkleshare is not a fork of anythingOct 17 09:25
oiaohmOr clone a project you will get it.Oct 17 09:25
nenolodhe got toasted due to C# useOct 17 09:25
nenolodbkuhn shouldn't have done it.  not with the position he is inOct 17 09:26
nenolodbecause when you do that, you give the enemy ammoOct 17 09:26
nenolodwe do not want to give the enemy PR ammoOct 17 09:26
gnufreexSo, what should he have done instead?Oct 17 09:26
nenolodhe should have just kept his mouth shutOct 17 09:26
nenolodperiodOct 17 09:26
nenolodyou seem to believe that for all perceived issues that they must be "solved"Oct 17 09:26
oiaohmThe toasting over C# started with tomboy.  nenolodOct 17 09:26
nenolodyes i knowOct 17 09:27
oiaohmToasting there clones.Oct 17 09:27
nenolodi disagreed with that tooOct 17 09:27
gnufreexSo, Mono apps get pilling on, everything goes Mono... how is that helping?Oct 17 09:27
nenolodoh gnoesOct 17 09:27
nenolodhere's the solutionOct 17 09:27
nenolodprovide a better app which doesn't use MonoOct 17 09:27
nenolodmost of the Mono-using apps are pretty crappy apps because the Mono family of languages don't appeal to seasoned programmersOct 17 09:27
nenolodthey appeal to designersOct 17 09:27
nenolodit shouldn't be too hard to write a better appOct 17 09:28
nenolodthen when you write the better app, you let the market decideOct 17 09:28
nenolodif people want to use Mono apps, that's their decisionOct 17 09:28
nenolodthere are plenty of distributions which do not ship Mono appsOct 17 09:28
nenolodone thing that people forget is that free software also is about freedom of choiceOct 17 09:29
nenolodGNOME v. KDE, Mono v. writing it in a good language, etcOct 17 09:29
nenolodat the end of the day, the "market" (e.g. all the users out there), they just want the apps that do what they want and do a good job at itOct 17 09:29
nenolodit's pretty simpleOct 17 09:29
nenolodso replace the mono apps with better appsOct 17 09:30
nenolodinstead of trolling about it, just replace the damn thingOct 17 09:30
gnufreexDon't reduce Mono vs xx to GNOME vs KDE. It is not that at this point. It is like GNOME vs KDE in late 90s.Oct 17 09:30
nenolodit is thatOct 17 09:30
oiaohmI trying to remember the one that existed before sparle share and did not use mono.  nenolodOct 17 09:30
oiaohmThere is one.Oct 17 09:31
oiaohmThat was where the battle started.Oct 17 09:31
nenolodthen take that appOct 17 09:31
nenolodmake it betterOct 17 09:31
nenolodwatch everyone use it insteadOct 17 09:31
nenolodpretty simplreOct 17 09:31
oiaohmIe it got side tracked into a C# arguement.Oct 17 09:31
nenolodmy point isOct 17 09:31
nenolodbkuhn should not have gone there.  i personally know he knows better than to have gone there.Oct 17 09:32
nenolodhe did so anyway, lefty picked up on it, it became a PR issueOct 17 09:32
nenolodpeople should have the choice to use mono apps if they wantOct 17 09:32
nenolodwithout being harassed for itOct 17 09:32
nenolodor deridedOct 17 09:32
nenolodor chastizedOct 17 09:32
nenolodwanting to use an app that works is a perfectly valid wish and you can't say those people are wrong because they want an app that happens to be using monoOct 17 09:33
gnufreexnenolod: You seem to advocate against negative marketing. Unfortunately, sometimes, that is necesary. Mono use needs criticism or else everybody is going to use it. For example, there are apps that are adding Mono extensions. It would be stupid to recode entire app just because it adds Mono dependency. Users will not move to replacement. And it again requires lots of friction and negative marketing.Oct 17 09:34
gnufreexMono advocates also use thatOct 17 09:34
nenolodgnufreex: sorry i disagreeOct 17 09:34
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oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFolder  << No they don't gnufreexOct 17 09:35
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gnufreex"Look at those, they want to make you switch app just because of Mono, they are zealots"Oct 17 09:35
nenolodgnufreex: you are a zealot, sorryOct 17 09:35
nenolodit's trueOct 17 09:35
nenolodthat statement is a true statementOct 17 09:35
oiaohmSome of the ones that started the C#  over sparkleshare were Novell personal.Oct 17 09:35
gnufreexSo, frickin wha?Oct 17 09:35
gnufreexI am proud of that!Oct 17 09:35
oiaohmFunny enough to protect there own C# product.Oct 17 09:36
oiaohmYes there are lot of double standard people out there.Oct 17 09:36
nenolodoiaohm: yes, but bkuhn sparked it offOct 17 09:36
_GoblinHave I missed something.....why not just stick with OOo or Abiword.......I won't even mention the name LXXXXoffice....Oct 17 09:36
oiaohmThere are a lot of Novell media people I would love to shot.Oct 17 09:36
nenolodthe appropriate way of handling the sparkleshare thing would have been to offer the guy help moving to native codeOct 17 09:37
nenolodand highlighting that his app will work better due to it being native codeOct 17 09:37
nenolodthere's an old sayingOct 17 09:37
nenolodyou attract more flies with honey than vinegarOct 17 09:37
gnufreexYes, that is effective way but that would also give ammo to haters. Haters gonna hate.Oct 17 09:38
nenolodyes, haters are going to hate, but there's a lot less hate going around.Oct 17 09:39
gnufreexAnybody who approaches the Sparkleshare dev with such proposition is going to branded zealotOct 17 09:39
nenolodyes, but by chastizing the sparkleshare devOct 17 09:39
nenolodthe dev wentOct 17 09:39
nenolod"hey, fuck you assholes"Oct 17 09:39
nenolodit's who thinks you are a zealotOct 17 09:39
nenolodnot if someone thinks you are a zealotOct 17 09:39
gnufreexThat is not wha bkhun did.Oct 17 09:39
nenolodyes he didOct 17 09:40
nenolodhe saidOct 17 09:40
nenolodin effect, "sparkleshare sucks because it uses mono"Oct 17 09:40
gnufreexNo, he said it is disturbing for him to hear that sparkleshare uses Mono.Oct 17 09:40
nenolodyes, he didn't need to say thatOct 17 09:40
nenolodperiod. didn't need to be said.Oct 17 09:41
gnufreexSo if he proposed a port to Vala out of the blue, it would be same effect.Oct 17 09:41
nenolodnot if he saidOct 17 09:41
gnufreexThere are not so many ways to say it.Oct 17 09:41
gnufreexHe got to spill it out somehow.Oct 17 09:41
nenolod"i want to help improve sparkleshare by moving it to Vala to reduce dependencies and improve performance."Oct 17 09:41
nenolodnobody can argue against that statementOct 17 09:42
nenolodcompiling the code with vala reduces dependencies and improves performanceOct 17 09:42
gnufreexI could argue: " Mono is great, you are such zealot because you want to remove Mono!!!111"Oct 17 09:42
nenolodby highlighting technical benefits to using vala over mono, you win without pissing off the devOct 17 09:42
nenolodgnufreex: you couldOct 17 09:43
nenolodgnufreex: but you're not the devOct 17 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Devastation and Recovery at Mt. St. Helens - http://bit.ly/cpjhXG now that's a natural remedy (via @Eaterofsun)Oct 17 09:43
nenolodgnufreex: so you don't matterOct 17 09:43
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nenolodgnufreex: the community, will in general, write those people off as moronsOct 17 09:43
nenolodas long as the outcome results in a happy devOct 17 09:43
nenolodit doesn't matter what those people thinkOct 17 09:43
oiaohmnenolod: at the time vala was not developed enough.  Please be careful with rose coloured glasses.Oct 17 09:43
nenolodlike you said, "haters gonna hate"Oct 17 09:43
nenolodoiaohm: this discussionOct 17 09:44
nenolodoiaohm: happened 4 weeks agoOct 17 09:44
nenolodoiaohm: moron tank over thereOct 17 09:44
*nenolod pointsOct 17 09:44
oiaohmSo it has not died down.Oct 17 09:44
oiaohmI would have though by now they would have moved on.Oct 17 09:44
nenolodno, sparkleshare is quite recentOct 17 09:44
nenolodnowOct 17 09:45
nenolodlefty gets a lot wrongOct 17 09:45
nenolodsimply because that's his goalOct 17 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] What Can Squid Hear? : TreeHugger http://ping.fm/3EMJc(Treehugger)Oct 17 09:46
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nenolodbut there are elements of truth to the things he saysOct 17 09:46
amarsh04link from http://www.whirlpool.net.au http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/spy-fears-as-chinese-firm-eyes-nbn-deal-20101016-16odq.htmlOct 17 09:46
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nenolodthere is a sexism problem in FOSS, but it's not in the way that lefty describesOct 17 09:47
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nenolodif you sit on #ubuntu-women or whatever, you can see itOct 17 09:47
nenolodthat problem is getting betterOct 17 09:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Next Web: Anonymous takes down UK government website in Operation Payback http://ping.fm/Y6uyMOct 17 09:48
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nenolodbut the problem with lefty isOct 17 09:49
nenolodhe took an example of some ubuntu-using moron harassing a girlOct 17 09:49
nenolodand spun it into "big opensource guy sexually assults a girl"Oct 17 09:49
nenolodso like i saidOct 17 09:49
nenolodelements of truth, almost all spin thoughOct 17 09:49
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nenolodwelcome backOct 17 09:50
oiaohmLot of the female open source coders I have ment can more than take care of themselves.Oct 17 09:50
nenolodyesOct 17 09:50
nenolodi agreeOct 17 09:50
oiaohmYes I do mean more.Oct 17 09:50
oiaohmI have seen some guys wishing there nuts were more protected.Oct 17 09:51
nenolodsome of the best coders i have worked with have been women actuallyOct 17 09:51
lightpriest_operation payback's logo reminds me of thepiratebay's logoOct 17 09:51
nenolodmanOct 17 09:51
lightpriest_ohhOct 17 09:51
nenolodddosing peopleOct 17 09:51
lightpriest_it's the same one :DOct 17 09:51
nenolodisn't a solution to thatOct 17 09:51
nenolodthat's just stupidOct 17 09:52
nenolodi mean, when you find yourself presented with a problem and you think "i know! i will ddos them!" you might want to rethink the problemOct 17 09:52
nenolodseriouslyOct 17 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Rehearsals, rehearsals, rehearsals...Oct 17 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] vnmc [on Tumblr] - 5 MB of storage 44 years ago http://ping.fm/lHV0POct 17 09:53
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_GoblinHi lightpriest_Oct 17 09:53
lightpriest_heyOct 17 09:53
_GoblinHaven't seen you here before...new?Oct 17 09:53
lightpriest_i've been following the blog for a few months nowOct 17 09:53
nenolodi wonder if apple has a patent on menu bars at top of screenOct 17 09:53
_GoblinWelcome to the channel!Oct 17 09:54
nenolodnot that it mattersOct 17 09:54
nenolodamiga is prior artOct 17 09:54
oiaohmYes the do nenolodOct 17 09:54
lightpriest_thank you :)Oct 17 09:54
oiaohmBut its expired.  nenolodOct 17 09:54
nenolodoiaohm: awesomeOct 17 09:54
nenolodi'm infringing on it right nowOct 17 09:54
nenolodit feels so goodOct 17 09:54
gnufreexdon't know about apple, but Microsoft tried to patent RibbonOct 17 09:54
nenolodi remember when you got patents on stuff you madeOct 17 09:54
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oiaohmNote its icon in the top coner tha amiga did not have.  nenolodOct 17 09:54
nenolodgood timesOct 17 09:54
_Goblinnenolod: Im also infringing.......Oct 17 09:54
nenolodnow you get patents on bullshit you make upOct 17 09:54
oiaohmRemember the apple icon up there nenolodOct 17 09:55
nenolodno apple iconOct 17 09:55
lightpriest_I think the original HTML implementation already did thatOct 17 09:55
nenolodi guess it's not an infringementOct 17 09:55
oiaohmAlso the patent is expired. nenolodOct 17 09:55
oiaohmSo you cannot infringe it now.Oct 17 09:55
nenolodoiaohm: yeah i heard youOct 17 09:55
lightpriest_If I recall correctly, <meta> tags had some "prev", "next" and other context related stuffOct 17 09:55
nenolodoiaohm: i was making a jokeOct 17 09:55
oiaohmLot of MS Office 2007 and up is trademarked.Oct 17 09:55
oiaohmMore than Patented.Oct 17 09:55
nenolodinterestingOct 17 09:56
oiaohmtrademarks have a lower bar of proff.Oct 17 09:56
_Goblin" i remember when you got patents on stuff you made" - Dont be silly nenolod http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/microsoft-to-boldly-blow/Oct 17 09:56
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oiaohmIt it just looks like me so you are toast.Oct 17 09:56
nenolod_Goblin: no, likeOct 17 09:56
nenolod_Goblin: i'm talking cotton gin, "efficient aparatus for storing paper documents", so onOct 17 09:56
nenolod_Goblin: flat screen TVsOct 17 09:57
_Goblinnenolod: yeah like the Holodeck patent from MS (as above link)Oct 17 09:57
nenolodyou knowOct 17 09:57
nenolodthingsOct 17 09:57
nenolod*things*Oct 17 09:57
nenolod_Goblin: yeah you've been able to patent BS for a long timeOct 17 09:57
nenolodthat saidOct 17 09:57
nenolodi want a holodeckOct 17 09:57
nenoloddo they have assembly instructions on that patent?Oct 17 09:57
_Goblinnenolod: I can see this conversation deteriorating rapidly.Oct 17 09:57
_Goblin;)Oct 17 09:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] At Frieze Art Fair.Oct 17 09:58
oiaohmQuite a few maths based ones had.  nenolodOct 17 09:58
nenolodohOct 17 09:58
nenolodthat patentOct 17 09:58
nenolodlinden lab had a similar one they were going to file forOct 17 09:58
nenolodi forget if they actually did it or notOct 17 09:58
oiaohmRemember how many patents did you see on the back of sicence calculators.Oct 17 09:58
nenolodyes but you have to keep in mindOct 17 09:58
nenolodsomeone invented a circuit to do that stuffOct 17 09:58
nenolodso that's legitOct 17 09:58
Diablo-D3oiaohm: manOct 17 09:59
nenolodnow when you get into graphing calculatorsOct 17 09:59
Diablo-D3Ive seen shit that has likeOct 17 09:59
Diablo-D39000 patentsOct 17 09:59
nenolodthat's when it gets less legitOct 17 09:59
nenolodsince there's actually a z80 chip in thereOct 17 09:59
Diablo-D3nenolod: well yeahOct 17 09:59
Diablo-D3swpatsOct 17 09:59
Diablo-D3areOct 17 09:59
Diablo-D3gayOct 17 09:59
nenolodbut a scientific calculatorOct 17 09:59
nenolod100% legitOct 17 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @sheytan: Now this one is cool #kubuntu #KDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNf36LQFfIM <- Is it possible w/Gnome ? #KDE rocks!Oct 17 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Some very good new art, lots of stunts, various old favourites. You can see the trends. #friezeOct 17 09:59
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nenolodthere's no CPU in thereOct 17 09:59
Diablo-D3yeah, its just a mostly raw ALUOct 17 10:00
Diablo-D3with enough UI to flip the right bitsOct 17 10:00
nenolodexactlyOct 17 10:00
nenolodso they're patenting bits and pieces of the ALUOct 17 10:00
nenolodlike i said, 100% legitOct 17 10:00
nenolodi doubt any of those patents are still active anywayOct 17 10:01
Diablo-D3no reason to anywaysOct 17 10:01
Diablo-D3theres only one right way of making an ALUOct 17 10:01
nenolodi mean i can't forsee them doing anything innovative in scientific calculators anymoreOct 17 10:01
Diablo-D3its counterproductive to keep the patent activeOct 17 10:01
oiaohmThere are patents for processing machine code produced from asm.  There are some software patents for compliers optimising code.Oct 17 10:01
oiaohmYes hordid stuff.Oct 17 10:01
oiaohmThere was enough when they stuck to real hardware.Oct 17 10:02
nenolodoiaohm: like i said, when you have an actual CPU driving your calculator, it becomes less legitOct 17 10:02
Diablo-D3nenolod: wellOct 17 10:02
nenolodbut patents on hardware are totally legitOct 17 10:02
Diablo-D3theres also another problemOct 17 10:02
nenolodthat's what the patent system is there forOct 17 10:02
Diablo-D3you have to understand the difference between true swpats and math pats.Oct 17 10:02
nenolodDiablo-D3: that too ;)Oct 17 10:02
Diablo-D3math pats are meeeeehhh and could be slid through without much bitchingOct 17 10:02
Diablo-D3but actual swpats? fuck thatOct 17 10:02
gnufreexPatents on harware are even worse than sofware ones: See Intel monopoly and crappy x86Oct 17 10:02
Diablo-D3PATENT ON HOW TO MANGLE STRINGS FOR A SPECIFIC USE CASE THAT NO ONE ACTUALLY GIVES A FUCK ABOUTOct 17 10:03
gnufreexEverything is software now.Oct 17 10:03
Diablo-D3and then the company sues some guy who isnt working with stringsOct 17 10:03
Diablo-D3thats where swpats need to dieOct 17 10:03
nenolodgnufreex: there were patents on 68k cpus tooOct 17 10:03
nenolodgnufreex: and PPC and even CellOct 17 10:03
Diablo-D3there are patents on everythingOct 17 10:03
Diablo-D3this cake Im eating atm?Oct 17 10:03
Diablo-D3patents.Oct 17 10:03
nenolodgnufreex: x86 just won cause intel undercut everyone else back during the z80 daysOct 17 10:03
nenolodhad z80 won, we'd all be using ARM nowOct 17 10:03
Diablo-D3nenolod: ermOct 17 10:04
Diablo-D3except remember what the z80 isOct 17 10:04
Diablo-D3a non-compatible 8080Oct 17 10:04
gnufreexnenolod: Problem is that _now_ CPUs are sofware.Oct 17 10:04
nenolodyesOct 17 10:04
Diablo-D3just to avoid patents and overall Intel suing shitOct 17 10:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Mandated Open Access Impact Advantage - http://bit.ly/c8U0J2 "because of a quality advantage" (via @AmSciForum) #oaOct 17 10:04
Diablo-D3they wernt GOING anywhere with itOct 17 10:04
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Diablo-D3they just wanted an incredibly cheap 8bit processor that everyone knew how to codeOct 17 10:05
nenolodDiablo-D3: yes, but z80 guys switched to ARM down the roadOct 17 10:05
Diablo-D3well, so did the 68k guysOct 17 10:05
nenolodnintendo, acorn, etcOct 17 10:05
nenolodnoOct 17 10:05
Diablo-D368k was fucking popular in game shitOct 17 10:05
nenolod68k went PPC mostlyOct 17 10:05
Diablo-D3well on the mac side yeahOct 17 10:05
nenolodmac and amigaOct 17 10:05
Diablo-D3but like, if Sega made a handheld console now, it'd be an ARMOct 17 10:05
gnufreexPPC went..... x86Oct 17 10:05
nenolodyeahOct 17 10:06
nenolodPPC is deadOct 17 10:06
Diablo-D3well waitOct 17 10:06
Diablo-D3they'res more!Oct 17 10:06
Diablo-D3the three current gen console?Oct 17 10:06
Diablo-D3all powerpc.Oct 17 10:06
gnufreexNot yet dead... but dying.Oct 17 10:06
nenolodyeahOct 17 10:06
nenolodbutOct 17 10:06
gnufreexI am waiting new AmigaOct 17 10:06
gnufreexThey promisedOct 17 10:06
Diablo-D3there are more wii sales than pcs for game sales.Oct 17 10:06
nenolodfourth gen will probably be x86Oct 17 10:06
nenolodprobably x86 + stream coprocessors for OpenCLOct 17 10:06
Diablo-D3nenolod: and still no native halo 1 support for xbox 9000Oct 17 10:06
nenolodx86 + stream coprocessors would be sweetOct 17 10:07
gnufreexx86 + anyting is crapOct 17 10:07
nenolodwrongOct 17 10:07
Diablo-D3gnufreex: not at allOct 17 10:07
Diablo-D3Im very impressed with AMDOct 17 10:07
nenolodx86 is actually pretty good now with x86-64Oct 17 10:07
gnufreexI tried to learn ASM... really tried.Oct 17 10:07
Diablo-D3x86 is pretty good when you're running all your shit intensive parallel code on the gpuOct 17 10:07
gnufreexIt is broken ISAOct 17 10:07
Diablo-D3gnufreex: dude, noOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3you dont fucking code assemblyOct 17 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] The most amazing aesthetic experience so far is the chocolate fondant. ;-) #friezeOct 17 10:08
nenolod15 regs + CISC = crazy fucking fastOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3who the fuck doe sthat anymoreOct 17 10:08
gnufreexI knwoOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3this isnt the fucking 80sOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3I mean, fuckOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3I can run javaOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3onOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3my gpuOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3JAVA ON MY GPUOct 17 10:08
gnufreexBut I tought it is cool to learn itOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3gnufreex: dude, even I didnt bother learning much assemblyOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3the compiler can do it ten times better than I canOct 17 10:08
nenolodsometimes asm is usefulOct 17 10:08
Diablo-D3http://developer.amd.com/zones/java/aparapi/Pages/default.aspxOct 17 10:09
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Diablo-D3java. on. gpus.Oct 17 10:09
nenolodlike when you're ripping replayer code out from gamesOct 17 10:09
Diablo-D3AMD's dick is 8=========================================================================================================================================DOct 17 10:09
Diablo-D3to motherfucking scaleOct 17 10:09
gnufreexJava on GPU... that is kewlOct 17 10:09
nenolodthe neat thing about GPUs is that they're basically insanely hyperthreadedOct 17 10:10
nenolodlikeOct 17 10:10
nenolodthey can doOct 17 10:10
nenolod280 things at onceOct 17 10:10
Diablo-D3nenolod: wellOct 17 10:10
Diablo-D3look at AMD's shitOct 17 10:10
nenolodi think what we'll see in the future is a design where the GPU just takes over as being a CPUOct 17 10:11
gnufreexBut I can't think of workload that would really work well on GPUOct 17 10:11
Diablo-D3the pipeline consumes 5 things at once (as in, pipelined), and its 4 wide.Oct 17 10:11
Diablo-D3the optimum workcase per pipe is 20 items, all doing the same operation.Oct 17 10:11
gnufreexIt needs to be double percision to materOct 17 10:11
oiaohmBiggest limitation with GPU is no memory allocation instructions.Oct 17 10:11
Diablo-D3gnufreex: it already isOct 17 10:11
Diablo-D3oiaohm: not at allOct 17 10:11
nenolodi think reallyOct 17 10:12
Diablo-D3you dont NEED to allocate memoryOct 17 10:12
nenolodwhat we're going to seeOct 17 10:12
Diablo-D3oiaohm: learn how to codeOct 17 10:12
nenolodis a shift of design conceptOct 17 10:12
Diablo-D3nenolod: well, what I want is, one of those new quadcore ARM A15sOct 17 10:12
Diablo-D3andOct 17 10:12
nenolodto where the GPU and CPU become one processorOct 17 10:12
Diablo-D3two 6970sOct 17 10:12
Diablo-D3nenolod: so AMD Fusion, shipping soon?Oct 17 10:12
nenolodnoOct 17 10:12
Diablo-D3but thats what you gotOct 17 10:12
nenolodand the OS task is just one jobOct 17 10:12
nenolodthat the chip is doingOct 17 10:12
gnufreexDiabo-D3 I know it is, but all those TFLOPS are single-precision. When you do DP, it is actualy 10 GFLOPS or so. Not much faster than QuadCore CPUOct 17 10:12
nenolodnoOct 17 10:12
nenolodAMD Fusion is still logically separateOct 17 10:13
oiaohmTo be more correct memory protection instructions.Oct 17 10:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Now isn't this special - BSA thwarting open standards! http://www.fsfe.org/projects/os/bsa-letter-ec.pdf #fbOct 17 10:13
gnufreex*100 GFLOPSOct 17 10:13
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Diablo-D3nenolod: logically seperate in the sense an SSE math unit is.Oct 17 10:13
Diablo-D3or a Cell SPEOct 17 10:13
oiaohmTo sence when something has screwed up badly.Oct 17 10:13
nenolodDiablo-D3: yeah, what i'm saying is the future is SPE onlyOct 17 10:13
Diablo-D3nenolod: its an SPE nowOct 17 10:13
nenolodas inOct 17 10:13
nenolodthe PPE is goneOct 17 10:13
Diablo-D3nenolod: its not merely on die, its plugged right into HTX and uses the HTX memory controllerOct 17 10:13
nenolodthere is no PPEOct 17 10:13
Diablo-D3well, you need a PPE for purely functional stuffOct 17 10:14
Diablo-D3to baby sit the SPEsOct 17 10:14
nenolodnahOct 17 10:14
Diablo-D3unless you can make if statements not suck dickOct 17 10:14
nenolodyou can use one of the SPEs for thatOct 17 10:14
Diablo-D3well, Cell SPEs, sureOct 17 10:14
Diablo-D3but not hyper-wide pipesOct 17 10:14
Diablo-D3you need to be able to schedule single width items with no branch penaltyOct 17 10:15
nenolodrightOct 17 10:15
nenolodbebOct 17 10:15
nenolodbrbOct 17 10:15
Diablo-D3nenolod: btw, did I show you http://developer.amd.com/zones/java/aparapi/Pages/default.aspx?Oct 17 10:15
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Diablo-D3srsly, java on gpu.Oct 17 10:15
nenolodDiablo-D3: it's java. srsly. don't care.Oct 17 10:15
gnufreexSo... this thing should be able to run JBossAS out of the box?Oct 17 10:16
Diablo-D3gnufreex: hell noOct 17 10:16
Diablo-D3it just translates bytecode to openclOct 17 10:17
Diablo-D3and you're very limited in the java you can useOct 17 10:17
Diablo-D3it basically has to look like what you'd code in openclOct 17 10:17
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gnufreexOh... I knew it is too good to be true... so no need to study it anyways.Oct 17 10:18
Diablo-D3whats that supposed to mean?Oct 17 10:18
Diablo-D3its GREATOct 17 10:18
Diablo-D3it means I can write opencl without having to write openclOct 17 10:18
nenoloddude opencl is not hardOct 17 10:18
Diablo-D3gnufreex: btw, why the fuck mention jbossas?Oct 17 10:18
Diablo-D3gnufreex: how is that simd?Oct 17 10:18
Diablo-D3and why the fuck mention jbossas at all? its shitOct 17 10:19
Diablo-D3glassfish > jbossasOct 17 10:19
gnufreexNo reason. And it is not shit.Oct 17 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Today we fixed a bug while we were both in a car to a family thing. Got to love @mobilevikings #iRailOct 17 10:19
nenolodjbossas has problems with JIRAOct 17 10:24
nenolodunfortunately, JIRA is the only bug tracking software I have found that I actually like using.Oct 17 10:25
Diablo-D3yeah, jira actually worksOct 17 10:25
Diablo-D3especially combined with that other thing of theirsOct 17 10:25
nenolodit's closed source, oh gnoesOct 17 10:25
nenolodthe GPL zealots will burn me at the stakeOct 17 10:25
Diablo-D3OH NOESOct 17 10:25
*Diablo-D3 takes away rms' lighterOct 17 10:25
Diablo-D3bad rms! no weed!Oct 17 10:25
nenolodactually, rms once said that software which works is more important than software freedomOct 17 10:26
Diablo-D3yesOct 17 10:26
Diablo-D3problem isOct 17 10:26
nenolodwell, what he said was functionality is as important as freedomOct 17 10:26
Diablo-D3closed source has become == to shit.Oct 17 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Looking forward to http://www.tedxrheinneckar.de next week. Planning to talk about Kaspar Hauser effects in most software users...Oct 17 10:26
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nenolodsomething that is free and worthless isn't usefulOct 17 10:26
Diablo-D3its extremely hard to name closed source that isnt shitOct 17 10:26
nenolodJIRA isn't actually closed sourceOct 17 10:26
nenolodif you buy a licenseOct 17 10:26
nenolodyou get the sourceOct 17 10:26
nenolodso it's likeOct 17 10:26
Diablo-D3jira is look but dont touchOct 17 10:26
nenolod"shared source"Oct 17 10:26
nenolodnoOct 17 10:27
nenolodyou can touch itOct 17 10:27
Diablo-D3you cant distribute the changesOct 17 10:27
nenolodyou just can't release itOct 17 10:27
nenolodyesOct 17 10:27
Diablo-D3I wonder if you can send the changes back to themOct 17 10:27
nenolodyou canOct 17 10:27
Diablo-D3neatOct 17 10:27
Diablo-D3so its really not THAT badOct 17 10:27
Diablo-D3the license are just fuck expensiveOct 17 10:27
nenolodbut i meanOct 17 10:27
nenolodwith webappsOct 17 10:27
nenolodit's trickyOct 17 10:27
nenolodif you want to make moneyOct 17 10:27
Diablo-D3yeah, they'd have to agpl it or somethingOct 17 10:27
nenolodyou can't just opensource itOct 17 10:27
Diablo-D3just to dick peopleOct 17 10:27
nenolodthe only way to have opensource + make money is AGPLOct 17 10:28
nenolodand then you're still limitedOct 17 10:28
nenolodbecause what you're selling is consulting and customization servicesOct 17 10:28
nenolodif you don't make enough that wayOct 17 10:28
nenolodsucks to be youOct 17 10:28
Diablo-D3well, redhat basically does it for redhat linuxOct 17 10:28
nenolodyesOct 17 10:28
nenolodbutOct 17 10:28
Diablo-D3so it cant be that hard for killer app materialOct 17 10:28
nenoloda lot of people buy redhatOct 17 10:28
nenolodnot many people buy a bug trackerOct 17 10:28
nenolod:pOct 17 10:28
Diablo-D3well, honestlyOct 17 10:29
Diablo-D3if I needed oneOct 17 10:29
Diablo-D3I wouldOct 17 10:29
Diablo-D3Ive used every bug tracker everOct 17 10:29
Diablo-D3I hate them all except jiraOct 17 10:29
nenolodand JIRA is the killer app of bugtrackersOct 17 10:29
Diablo-D3but like I saidOct 17 10:29
nenolodbut JIRA is not so badOct 17 10:29
Diablo-D3jira's strong point is intergration with the rest of their shitOct 17 10:29
nenolodif you're an opensource projectOct 17 10:29
nenolodthey will give you a licenseOct 17 10:29
nenolodand sourceOct 17 10:29
nenolodso it's not so badOct 17 10:29
Diablo-D3like, FishEye is really goodOct 17 10:29
nenolodi mean you get the practical benefitsOct 17 10:30
nenolodof opensourceOct 17 10:30
Diablo-D3oh andOct 17 10:30
Diablo-D3it plugs into eclipseOct 17 10:30
Diablo-D3all their shit doesOct 17 10:30
nenolodyesOct 17 10:30
nenolodJIRA is great :)Oct 17 10:30
Diablo-D3you can access all of atlassian's shit through eclipseOct 17 10:30
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nenolodthe UI is greatOct 17 10:30
Diablo-D3you can get live testbox fails right into eclipseOct 17 10:30
MadRobotHi all.Oct 17 10:31
Diablo-D3as normal eclipse bugsOct 17 10:31
Diablo-D3a LOT of open source projects use atlassianOct 17 10:31
Diablo-D3its kind of ironicOct 17 10:31
nenolodyeahOct 17 10:31
nenolodyou know why?Oct 17 10:31
nenolodbecause it worksOct 17 10:31
Diablo-D3because its not shitOct 17 10:31
Diablo-D3and its free to fossOct 17 10:31
nenolodall the FOSS bug trackersOct 17 10:31
nenolodare a giant fucking pain to administrateOct 17 10:32
Diablo-D3bugzilla is ZOMGSETKJSETLKJRSGFAILOct 17 10:32
nenolodbugzilla is horridOct 17 10:32
Diablo-D3bugzilla is the only bug tracker that has ever made me want to kill peopleOct 17 10:32
nenolodgnats is 1980sOct 17 10:32
nenolodmantis is just god awfulOct 17 10:32
Diablo-D3and trac is just... blehOct 17 10:32
nenolodtrac is limitedOct 17 10:32
Diablo-D3trac is half a solutionOct 17 10:32
nenolodredmine is better than trac but a rails appOct 17 10:32
nenolodso we know what happens thereOct 17 10:32
nenolodbugs genie is WTFOct 17 10:32
nenolodflyspray is ok, but the UI is horribleOct 17 10:33
Diablo-D3redmine is fucking lolOct 17 10:33
nenolodroundup pretty much sucks in all possible waysOct 17 10:33
Diablo-D3look at it the wrong way, and there goes your entire serverOct 17 10:33
nenolodrequest tracker is lolzOct 17 10:33
nenolodhave i missed any?Oct 17 10:34
nenolodi'm not asking for much hereOct 17 10:34
nenolodi just want a UI that doesn't make my eyes bleedOct 17 10:34
nenolodand isn't a rails appOct 17 10:34
nenolodredmine would be greatOct 17 10:34
nenolodbut alas, railsOct 17 10:34
Diablo-D3wellOct 17 10:35
Diablo-D3it'd almost be worth redoing redmine in javaOct 17 10:35
Diablo-D3but blehOct 17 10:35
nenolodthey did thatOct 17 10:35
Diablo-D3no one knows enough rails to tryOct 17 10:35
nenolodit's called JIRAOct 17 10:35
Diablo-D3heeehOct 17 10:35
nenolodi can say thisOct 17 10:37
nenolodif bkuhn or any of those guys ever chastizes me for using JIRA, i'll go knock them outOct 17 10:37
nenolodbaseball bats are a great solution for trolling problemsOct 17 10:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh the _Stock_ Nexus One is missing the FM radio if that matters ? Also space available on the phone itself is kinda less ~ 188 MBOct 17 10:38
Diablo-D3remind them sun, apache, redhat, and a few others use itOct 17 10:38
MadRobotHi all.Oct 17 10:38
Diablo-D3MadRobot: what.Oct 17 10:38
nenolodredhat uses bugzillaOct 17 10:38
Diablo-D3redhat uses jira tooOct 17 10:38
MadRobotDiablo-D3, ??Oct 17 10:38
nenolodwhy don't they move fedora over to itOct 17 10:39
Diablo-D3nenolod: probably too much of a pitaOct 17 10:39
nenolodwhere is redhat's jiraOct 17 10:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh since apps2SD came in with froyo, that is relatively moot. Also the possible tinkering and it still being "the google phone"Oct 17 10:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh I really like it, cant complain but its my first ever smartphone, so I cant compare it to any other. What are your requirements ?Oct 17 10:39
Diablo-D3nenolod: it might be jboss shit onlyOct 17 10:40
nenolodyeahOct 17 10:40
nenolodit's jira.jboss.orgOct 17 10:40
Diablo-D3but jboss is redhat nowOct 17 10:40
Diablo-D3ergo, redhat has jiraOct 17 10:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yes! Sex scene!!! :D Unfortunately I'm not in it.... :(Oct 17 10:44
nenolodmanOct 17 10:45
nenolodi should justOct 17 10:45
nenolodfork the android email appOct 17 10:45
nenolodand fix itOct 17 10:45
Diablo-D3the gmail one? its not open source.Oct 17 10:45
nenolodno, AOSP comes with an appOct 17 10:46
nenolodcalledOct 17 10:46
nenolod"Email"Oct 17 10:46
nenolodit's for checking email on an IMAP/POP3/Exchange/Groupwise serverOct 17 10:46
Diablo-D3hehOct 17 10:48
nenolodi still maintain that negative advertising is only profitable in the short termOct 17 10:49
Diablo-D3thankfully Novemeber is almost hereOct 17 10:50
Diablo-D3dohohohohoOct 17 10:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Goals of the Keyring and Seahorse Projects | Stef Walter http://ping.fm/pzSFdOct 17 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Took a little time this morning to do something I haven't done a while: read a book, Tim O'Brien's memoir "The Things They Carried."Oct 17 11:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Stef Walter: Goals of the Keyring and Seahorse Projects .::. Size~: 42.36 KBOct 17 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: @Aaditya025 It will be great if you send me the mail about bugs so that i can correct. Thanks http://bit.ly/bGmH2hOct 17 11:08
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Viper550So, I hear MTS, a Manitoba phone company, is going lazy and stopping its own email servicesOct 17 11:12
Viper550guess who they're outsourcing it toOct 17 11:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Mandlebroth died, aged 85.Oct 17 11:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @fabsh depends which part of the world you live in ;) Out here FM radio is quite popular ! (although I am not a terribly big fan tbh)Oct 17 11:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] TaintDroid code released http://lwn.net/Articles/410331/rssOct 17 11:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TaintDroid code released [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 5.74 KBOct 17 11:13
roy_Viper550: infosys?Oct 17 11:14
*roy_ jokesOct 17 11:14
Viper550no, they're forcing everyone with MTS email addresses ... to convert them to windows live hotmail.Oct 17 11:14
roy_That's where Microsoft moves internal opsOct 17 11:14
roy_hotmail is where mail comes to fryOct 17 11:15
Viper550on a related note, MTS already uses MS's IPTV software tooOct 17 11:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] I have just done four hours of the international artworld. It was fun. Will take a while to process. #friezeOct 17 11:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Iceweasel Has To Restart http://bit.ly/bcdHWd - I gotta say, PyRoom is excellent for creating blog postsOct 17 11:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Iceweasel Has To Restart | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 14.88 KBOct 17 11:16
Viper550http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=111626&highlight=hotmailOct 17 11:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  MTS changing email service soon - Digital Forum .::. Size~: 85.85 KBOct 17 11:16
roy_So no big deal. Microsoft bedfellow just stays in bedOct 17 11:17
roy_Would be worrisome if they switched bedsOct 17 11:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @carlopiana I mean: Mandelbrot died aged 85Oct 17 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] “cd foo && make” have to die! Learn to use #make parameters! It's “make -C foo” or even better within Makefiles “$(MAKE) -C foo” !gentooOct 17 11:18
roy_ok, i'll do a post about mts next weekOct 17 11:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Basenji Gets A Scanner Daemon Which Automatically Adds Inserted Volumes To The Database http://bit.ly/cgqcnROct 17 11:19
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roy_"I ditched Windoze for !Fedora. Is that good too? :)" http://identi.ca/notice/56447706Oct 17 11:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ben Trein (bentrein)'s status on Sunday, 17-Oct-10 10:41:40 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.01 KBOct 17 11:20
roy_That's excellent.Oct 17 11:20
roy_identica is a FOSS/FS heavenOct 17 11:20
roy_Viper550: in http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=111626&highlight=hotmail ....Oct 17 11:24
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roy_The favicon looks like it wasa pulled out of some disc recovery proggy from win 3.1 daysOct 17 11:24
Viper550oh, last pages looks like that MTS found a way to screw this upOct 17 11:25
roy_Viper550: BTW...Oct 17 11:26
roy_I was kind of right the first timeOct 17 11:26
roy_About mail being sent to infosysOct 17 11:27
roy_Remember who may run Hotmail soon (or already)Oct 17 11:27
roy_Not to mention Hotmail foundeeOct 17 11:27
roy_*derOct 17 11:27
roy_"@schestowitz  wow, I never thought I was going to see the downfold of ms internet browser dominance." http://identi.ca/conversation/55960373#notice-56470212Oct 17 11:35
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roy_http://identi.ca/conversation/55971625#notice-56480245 "Microsoft shouldn't get the chance to say this; again saying #open_source can lend ethical credence to immoral people"Oct 17 11:36
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---roy_ is now known as schestowitzOct 17 11:36
schestowitzOpen source to proprietary 'champions' is what plating trees is to Energy GiantsOct 17 11:38
schestowitz*plantingOct 17 11:39
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/56480395 "Wait, WHAT? This is hilarious: "open source will ruin your life!" #opensource"Oct 17 11:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Joel Adamson (trashbird1240)'s status on Sunday, 17-Oct-10 15:08:17 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.96 KBOct 17 11:39
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/66793Oct 17 11:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Research: Microsoft is nearly invisible in the mainstream press http://ur1.ca/23h7j Why I no longer track Microsoft muchOct 17 11:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Business Software Alliance pressuring the European Commission to remove support for Open Standards. http://bit.ly/91CmfG /by @cshirkyOct 17 11:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Freesoftware should respond more quickly to the threat of #FogComputing , including those online DBs that people throw personal info intoOct 17 11:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: EIF BSA Letter .::. Size~: 19.75 KBOct 17 11:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Business Software Alliance has been attacking standards in Europe for several years now, with _public_ submissions. cc @silner #swpatsOct 17 11:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] lol, misheard "benefit fraud" mentioned on !5live as "elephant fraud" which brought a whole new image to mind !plotideaOct 17 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @gotunandan What I mean is that it is redundant. You can get all that content over the web anyway.Oct 17 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Benefits of open Development http://font.ubuntu.com/rupee/ #ubuntu #font #rupee (via @nigelbabu)Oct 17 11:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Indian Rupee Sign ₹ - Ubuntu Font Family .::. Size~: 3.23 KBOct 17 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The next big language http://j.mp/bF5xGg /by @newsycombinatorOct 17 11:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Eugen Kiss / blog / The Next Big Language .::. Size~: 34.22 KBOct 17 11:54
schestowitznenolod: got an identica account?Oct 17 11:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @schestowitz Research: Microsoft is nearly invisible in the mainstream press http://ur1.ca/23h7j Why I no longer track Microsoft muchOct 17 11:59
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ThistleWebso where does it tell me?Oct 17 12:01
schestowitziceweasel is a real weasel!Oct 17 12:01
ThistleWebyou tell me it's not hiding stuff, so I ask you where it tells me?Oct 17 12:01
ThistleWebif you know, why not tell me where it tells me?Oct 17 12:02
ThistleWebI can't see anywhere it tells me what it's updtaing, removing etc on that dialog box, or the addons boxOct 17 12:02
ThistleWebfirefox never gave me that dialog boxOct 17 12:02
ThistleWebonly iceweasel doesOct 17 12:03
ThistleWebyou'll note I asked if anyone could tell me what it was trying to doOct 17 12:03
ThistleWebsince it wasn't saying what it was doingOct 17 12:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Concerned Taxpayers of America supported by only two donors - http://wapo.st/bopnZN made my day... (via @Mlsif) #usOct 17 12:04
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ThistleWeb<Ender2070> stop being a tool and shoting DEBIANS EVIL  << it's nice of you to represent me accurately......is what I'd be saying if you actually didOct 17 12:05
ThistleWebbut hey, we can't expect mirciles now can weOct 17 12:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Iceweasel Has To Restart | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 14.89 KBOct 17 12:06
ThistleWebquote my text that states "DEBIAN IS EVIL" in shouty termsOct 17 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I uploaded some photos I took at the LOK (Linux in the Education Conference) http://goo.gl/6j54 !ubuntuhu #locoteamsOct 17 12:06
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ThistleWebevil is a religious term, I have never used it in company / project termsOct 17 12:06
ThistleWebI also rarely shout either in blog postsOct 17 12:07
ThistleWebI was pointing out an issue I found in iceweasel in debianOct 17 12:07
ThistleWeban "odd" issueOct 17 12:07
ThistleWebI specifically remembered using the word "odd"Oct 17 12:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @bkuhn one correction in the blog post, Mark Shuttleworth made those comments here: http://ur1.ca/23he7 just thought you should know :)Oct 17 12:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: MeetingLogs/openweekMaverick/AskMark - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 96.17 KBOct 17 12:08
ThistleWebyesOct 17 12:08
ThistleWebthey areOct 17 12:08
ThistleWebk, so it's a bug, will it get picked up and fixed now? probablyOct 17 12:09
ThistleWebso it's all goodOct 17 12:09
ThistleWebno, I used the one in the squeeze reposOct 17 12:09
ThistleWebno it's not, but debian people won't just reasd their own stuff I'd imagineOct 17 12:10
schestowitzMinceR: http://picasaweb.google.com/mogorvamormota/LOK2010Budapest#Oct 17 12:14
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schestowitzMinceR: http://picasaweb.google.com/mogorvamormota/LOK2010Budapest#5528962351647425650Oct 17 12:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Rooibos vanilla #tea... I love rooibos tea! <3Oct 17 12:21
amarsh04iceweasel/firefox will advise that it should be restarted if one of the libraries/packages it depends on has changed - I usually restart it a bit later after I've re-run prelinkOct 17 12:27
schestowitzhttp://www.kirotv.com/news/25382502/detail.htmlOct 17 12:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nancy Pelosi Visiting Microsoft's Redmond Campus  - News Story - KIRO Seattle .::. Size~: 85.88 KBOct 17 12:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] The conference yesterday was awesome. I had the chance to demonstrate !Unity and GNOME Shell live. They were new for most of the audience.Oct 17 12:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Impact of Open Notebook Science - http://bit.ly/cZL4j0 great interview With Jean-Claude Bradley (via @P2P_Foundation) #openscienceOct 17 12:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: FEATURE: Interview With Jean-Claude Bradley - The Impact of Open Notebook Science .::. Size~: 84.72 KBOct 17 12:29
schestowitzRebooting Nancy Pelosi http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2010/10/15/nancy-pelosi-visits-microsoftOct 17 12:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Angry Birds: 1 Million Downloads in 1 Day - http://bit.ly/aeRd2s what's that about no games for Linux? #android #gamingOct 17 12:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody no _Windows_ games on GNU/Linux. As in, my "winmodem doesn't work in Linux"Oct 17 12:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core - http://bit.ly/c64Pg0 a nice denial of this would be welcome... #ubuntu #canonicalOct 17 12:36
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schestowitzhttp://www.kirotv.com/news/25382502/detail.htmlOct 17 12:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nancy Pelosi Visiting Microsoft's Redmond Campus  - News Story - KIRO Seattle .::. Size~: 85.88 KBOct 17 12:37
schestowitzoops. Wrong linkOct 17 12:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back from rehearsals. Now back to podcast editing...Oct 17 12:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody Mac Asay raved about 'open' core before Canonical took him on.Oct 17 12:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @schestowitz indeed: *he* did *before*: the issue is what is happening now at the top, no?Oct 17 12:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] This is something for @mjasay to [confirm|deny]: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core http://ur1.ca/23h7zOct 17 12:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 31.4 KBOct 17 12:41
schestowitz*LOL http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101014005296/en/IDC-Credit-Microsoft-Creating-Unique-Replicating-CompetitionOct 17 12:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: IDC Gives Credit to Microsoft for Creating Something Unique Rather than Replicating the Competition | Business Wire .::. Size~: 69.23 KBOct 17 12:42
schestowitzPay to sayOct 17 12:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody I've inquiredOct 17 12:43
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ThistleWebamarsh04: re-run prelink? wtf is that?Oct 17 12:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] William Shatner worries about global warming - http://bit.ly/alU7yb I'm surprised and impressed #climatechange #startrekOct 17 12:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody and for the record, the UbuntuOne Fog Computing thing (paying for hosting) is OK with me, as long as server side is libreOct 17 12:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: William Shatner worries about global warming «  Climate Progress .::. Size~: 51.89 KBOct 17 12:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Starship meets #AdobeTrash [IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/edyson/5087675832Oct 17 12:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Soldier who served in Vietnam denied Second Amendment Rights because of $100 fine before he went to Vietnam http://ur1.ca/23hpn #wtfOct 17 12:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: In The Neutral Zone | Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 77.32 KBOct 17 12:46
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amarsh04prelink is a program that "modifies ELF shared libraries and ELF dynamically linked binaries in such  a way that the time needed for the dynamic linker to perform relocations at startup significantly decreases"Oct 17 12:47
ThistleWebuhm.....kOct 17 12:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody Shatner is right. A lot of people make a lot of money (e.g. selling books) for reinforcing+enhancing people's ignoranceOct 17 12:48
amarsh04I think most distros include prelinkOct 17 12:48
amarsh04some install it to run as a cron jobOct 17 12:48
ThistleWebso why would this appear in debian but not on ubuntu / mint?Oct 17 12:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] culinary lessons for life: Anything is a meal when wrapped in a tortilla :POct 17 12:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @schestowitz: This is something for @mjasay to [confirm|deny]: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core http://ur1.ca/23h7zOct 17 12:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Delicious Bookmark: CRTL strcat Example: http://bit.ly/a32liwOct 17 12:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @schestowitz indeed; but I had always rather written him off in terms of serious stuff - my misjudgement...Oct 17 12:49
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amarsh04maybe either an update or prelink was running in the background when iceweasel was runningOct 17 12:50
ThistleWebit just appears to be so random, with no info on whyOct 17 12:50
amarsh04I disabled automatic updates and automatic prelinking, so that they happen when I deliberately choose to do themOct 17 12:51
ThistleWebthat's what confused me, no addon updates, nothing marked in the addon dialog as a reason, no "just updated"Oct 17 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan I'm in Spain where they still charge you 2-400€ for the latest phones even with contract, so basically cheapest Android.Oct 17 12:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How Xerox Invented the Information Age (and Gave it Away) | Cracked.com http://ping.fm/B9BPKOct 17 12:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @gotunandan, thanks for pointing it out. I've fixed blog post (& credited you with pointing it out). OMG !Ubuntu's reformatting confused me.Oct 17 12:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Wonder why many apps in #Android market have access to position and internet apparently w/o real needOct 17 12:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @bkuhn Uff, that link leads to spam city!! :( *shudder*Oct 17 12:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @richslxh,yeah,I didn't notice that until after typing it. I guess #StatusNet @support hasn't had time to maintain that site since launchingOct 17 12:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Crackle launches first full movie service application on !Android | Android Central http://ping.fm/BnFsZOct 17 13:04
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schestowitz_Goblin: Ina Freak spin: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20019143-56.htmlOct 17 13:09
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schestowitzMicrosoft pretends it was an accidentOct 17 13:09
schestowitzThat's the "damage control"Oct 17 13:09
schestowitzin MSNBC tooOct 17 13:09
schestowitzThe very INDEPENDENT news siteOct 17 13:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: I am Open Source Consultant and own a start-up company ! Do let me know if you need better services and... http://bit.ly/cGjRDDOct 17 13:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Motorola asks court to invalidate Apple patents, preempt another lawsuit - http://ur1.ca/23gih - gonna see more of that.Oct 17 13:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @nsisodiya excellent!Oct 17 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] jQuery + OData + Netflix Catalog API demo: http://bit.ly/9pwC5ZOct 17 13:13
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schestowitzhttp://www.fonearena.com/blog/24394/verizon-ceo-dumps-microsoft.htmlOct 17 13:15
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schestowitzhttp://www.itworld.com/business/123470/microsoft-rim-deal-might-have-meritOct 17 13:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft-RIM deal might have merit | ITworld .::. Size~: 79.18 KBOct 17 13:15
schestowitzTwo proprietary onesOct 17 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @bkuhn no problem. Your posts are highly informative and are a good read :)Oct 17 13:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Buying Adobe Is "Nonsense," Says Kara Swisher http://ur1.ca/23i0x Might Adobe buy Microsoft one day?Oct 17 13:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Buying Adobe Is "Nonsense," Says Kara Swisher .::. Size~: 129.54 KBOct 17 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @glynmoody, Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming.Oct 17 13:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh Ahh... do a bit more research and see which one suits you. I chose the n1 because it is given preference by google and is hackableOct 17 13:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | I Think I May Have Reported A Bug http://bit.ly/cL0jZlOct 17 13:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: I Think I May Have Reported A Bug | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 15.88 KBOct 17 13:24
schestowitzhttp://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/361732/ubuntu-we-wont-moan-to-eu-about-microsoftOct 17 13:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu: we won't moan to EU about Microsoft | News | PC Pro .::. Size~: 43.75 KBOct 17 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] #Epic #Win what happens when you violate GPL http://lwn.net/Articles/409864/ #HTCOct 17 13:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bkuhn Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming.Oct 17 13:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Re: kernel panic about pagemap_read  [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 7.24 KBOct 17 13:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[geekybodhi/@geekybodhi] If you sometimes deliberately act dumb, are you being smart?Oct 17 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @pmate Star Wars in #ascii-art: http://ur1.ca/23i3i !debian !debianizzatiOct 17 13:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG, why? Why? Why do people do such a terrible thing like that? And by the way, why is this featured on OMG! Ubuntu!? http://goo.gl/Ot2SOct 17 13:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Forum Italiano Debian - Debianizzati.Org &bull; Leggi argomento - Per tutti gli appassionati di Star Wars .::. Size~: 18.76 KBOct 17 13:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dual-screen version of Ubuntu 10.10′s default wallpaper .::. Size~: 30.51 KBOct 17 13:33
_Goblinschestowitz: "Will support all relevant platforms" - So then thats Windows Phone 7 off the list....Oct 17 13:42
MinceR:>Oct 17 13:42
MinceRalong with hypeOSOct 17 13:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan I don't mind paying 100 bucks as long as I get net/web access + apps, hackable is always a plus :)Oct 17 13:43
schestowitz_Goblin: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/10/05/a-microsoft-slate-by-christmas-ceo-promises/Oct 17 13:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   A Microsoft Slate by Christmas, CEO Promises - Digits - WSJ .::. Size~: 86.34 KBOct 17 13:43
schestowitzWatch photoOct 17 13:43
schestowitzMinceR: don't insult BSD developers' hard labourOct 17 13:44
MinceRschestowitz: it's not the BSD developers' work that made hypeOS irrelevantOct 17 13:44
schestowitzIt's not their fault Blows took their work and raised expectationsOct 17 13:44
MinceRit's the crApple marketroids' hard work at turning the result of the BSD developers' hard work into something useless and hostileOct 17 13:45
schestowitzhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/soundeconomywithjontalton/2013077894_goldman_only_wants_good_things.htmlOct 17 13:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sound Economy with Jon Talton | Goldman only wants good things for Microsoft. Really... | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 53.58 KBOct 17 13:45
schestowitzCorruptors' sympathyOct 17 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New Oh !Canada blog post: "Must Read" http://ur1.ca/23i9g !BillC32 #RadicalExtremism #BalancedCopyright #geist #IrwinLaw !copyrightOct 17 13:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Must Read «  Oh! Canada .::. Size~: 30.84 KBOct 17 13:48
gnufreexschestowitz: Which companies are making WP7 devices? (Ones that anounced)Oct 17 13:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] To all music lovers from !crunchbang !debian !linux groups, get yourselves over to !rr Live tonight Web & IRC http://ratholeradio.org/live/Oct 17 13:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Live | RatholeRadio.org .::. Size~: 18.68 KBOct 17 13:53
schestowitzMicrosoft persuaded SamsungOct 17 13:53
gnufreexThat's it?Oct 17 13:53
schestowitzBut Microsoft was like, "ow.... I don't know... you're kind of ugly"Oct 17 13:53
schestowitzgnufreex: HTCOct 17 13:53
gnufreexOh yes..Oct 17 13:53
schestowitzAfter threat of lawsuit over AndroidOct 17 13:53
MinceRHTC needs to grow a pairOct 17 13:54
schestowitzSamsung and LG are big MSFT buddiesOct 17 13:54
schestowitzLG just signed some Fog Computing deal with the VoledOct 17 13:54
schestowitz*VoleOct 17 13:54
MinceRs/uddi/itch/Oct 17 13:54
MinceRFTFYOct 17 13:54
schestowitzAnd they have swpatsOct 17 13:54
gnufreexSo nobody voluntarily suports Vista Phone 7Oct 17 13:54
schestowitzThey were the first to sign a ballnux deal... 2007Oct 17 13:54
MinceRnobody voluntarily cares about kin7Oct 17 13:54
MinceR:>Oct 17 13:54
schestowitzPayment sofr Android/Bad-AOct 17 13:54
gnufreexMaybe Novell make a phoneOct 17 13:55
MinceRlolOct 17 13:55
schestowitzHeheOct 17 13:55
schestowitzThey can't even make softwareOct 17 13:55
gnufreexThey fit a descriptionOct 17 13:55
schestowitzThey make .NET copycatOct 17 13:55
schestowitz"Tell us what you do Microsoft"Oct 17 13:55
schestowitz"Give us some MS-PLed code"Oct 17 13:55
gnufreexIt doesn't need to really work. It doesn't have copy/pase anyways.Oct 17 13:56
schestowitz"We'll slap a monkey piccie on it and sell it for the hypeCrowd"Oct 17 13:56
schestowitzgnufreex: it's a FEATUREOct 17 13:56
schestowitzRemember:Oct 17 13:57
schestowitzCopying="piracy"Oct 17 13:57
gnufreex"We don't infringe. And we forbid our users, too"Oct 17 13:57
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/03/21/dumbed-down-tablets-or-phones/Oct 17 13:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Are Proprietary Software Users Too Dangerous for Copying and Pasting? | Techrights .::. Size~: 109.5 KBOct 17 13:57
schestowitzAnd later: http://techrights.org/2010/10/12/heavily-marketed-relics/Oct 17 13:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Vista Phone 7 [sic] is Where Microsoft Partners Come to Die | Techrights .::. Size~: 95.82 KBOct 17 13:57
gnufreexWindows is for kidz. Now we have proof.Oct 17 13:58
schestowitzgnufreex: I had a one-hour chat with a friend over it this eveningOct 17 13:58
schestowitzBasically, he's brainwashed by the  copyright cartelOct 17 13:58
schestowitzIt took me time to undo the brainwashOct 17 13:58
schestowitzAnd he also thinks that the Internet in 10 years will be all censorship-basedOct 17 13:58
gnufreexOh dearOct 17 13:59
schestowitzgnufreex: Vita Phone 7 is like crayonOct 17 13:59
schestowitzYou can chew it and no poison control neededOct 17 13:59
schestowitzgnufreex: but it came from another directionOct 17 13:59
schestowitzNot wikileaks and allOct 17 14:00
schestowitzIt started with kids getting to pr0n and death pics by accidentOct 17 14:00
schestowitze.g. Google ImagesOct 17 14:00
schestowitzAnd I knew this guy as a kid, back when kids had to find the dirty magazines to get access to such materialOct 17 14:00
gnufreexlolOct 17 14:01
schestowitzNow you have very young kids seeing this stuffOct 17 14:01
schestowitzLOLWTF? http://views.washingtonpost.com/on-success/rapid-reinvention/2010/10/_erin_honeycomb_is_a.htmlOct 17 14:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Going for It: Rapid Reinvention: Yoga with Microsoft's Erin Honeycutt - Avis Thomas-Lester .::. Size~: 45.44 KBOct 17 14:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @bkuhn Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming.Oct 17 14:03
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/should-microsoft-become-multiple-mini-microsofts/7560Oct 17 14:04
gnufreexWTF is this?Oct 17 14:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Should Microsoft become multiple mini-Microsofts? | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 136.65 KBOct 17 14:04
gnufreexThey do yogi with Microsofties?Oct 17 14:04
schestowitzgnufreex: #pressfailOct 17 14:04
schestowitzYugoOct 17 14:04
schestowitzAll Rights ReservedOct 17 14:05
gnufreexlol, YugoOct 17 14:05
gnufreexBest car everOct 17 14:05
ThistleWebsmarter than the average car?Oct 17 14:05
ThistleWebyayeeeeOct 17 14:05
gnufreexno, the dumbestOct 17 14:05
schestowitzMicrosoft has yoga-fu http://kotaku.com/5654739/microsoft-japan-employee-arrested-for-fondling-a-schoolgirlOct 17 14:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Japan Employee Arrested For Fondling A Schoolgirl .::. Size~: 78.96 KBOct 17 14:06
ThistleWebdidn't get the yogi bear joke thenOct 17 14:06
schestowitzhttp://topnews.net.nz/content/28625-microsoft-catches-nz-web-sites-and-it-can-get-real-uglyOct 17 14:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft catches NZ web sites and it can get real ugly  | TopNews New Zealand .::. Size~: 32.55 KBOct 17 14:07
schestowitzgnufreex: http://www.twice.com/article/457897-Samsung_Microsoft_Sign_Win_7_Pact.phpOct 17 14:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Samsung, Microsoft Sign Win 7 Pact - 2010-10-01 18:17:18 | TWICE .::. Size~: 51.32 KBOct 17 14:09
schestowitzMicrosoft got sweaty and Samsung got cold feetOct 17 14:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Did Facebook fuck up AGAIN privacy-wise? OoOct 17 14:09
gnufreexYeah, Samsung had their OSOct 17 14:09
gnufreexBada or somethingOct 17 14:09
schestowitzIna Freak spin: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20018286-56.htmlOct 17 14:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft promotes three to division president | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 105.76 KBOct 17 14:10
schestowitzReality: exodusOct 17 14:10
cubevectorwow that's a way better name than crappaOct 17 14:10
schestowitzSpin: WOW! Promot~1~~~Oct 17 14:10
gnufreexDoes Motorla have cross-deal with Samsung? They should hit them.Oct 17 14:11
schestowitzgnufreex: Bad-AOct 17 14:11
schestowitzMinceR calls it thatOct 17 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Dude.... I had maybe one hour free time this weekend... With all the Audacity fail I've been editing for over 16 hrs straight now.Oct 17 14:11
cubevectorgot a mic today, so experimenting :)Oct 17 14:11
schestowitzIt's a skinned AndroidOct 17 14:11
MinceRBad A is just a reskinned android?Oct 17 14:11
gnufreexReally?Oct 17 14:11
MinceRi thought it was brand newOct 17 14:11
schestowitzCan you skin an Android?Oct 17 14:12
gnufreexI also thought it is newOct 17 14:12
schestowitzThey usually have metallic finishOct 17 14:12
gnufreexAlso read somewhere that is microkernel or suchOct 17 14:12
gnufreexBut all liesOct 17 14:12
MinceRif you can skin a GUI then you can also skin an androidOct 17 14:12
MinceRgnufreex: nope, it's Linux-basedOct 17 14:12
schestowitzMinceR: lowercase androidOct 17 14:12
schestowitzThey are not furryOct 17 14:13
MinceR:>Oct 17 14:13
schestowitzHannibaloidOct 17 14:13
schestowitzSweatyB has reasons to leap http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101001-709079.htmlOct 17 14:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft CEO's Compensation Rose 5.5% To $1.4M In Latest Year - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 126.24 KBOct 17 14:14
schestowitzhttp://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/10/01/243120/BAE-Systems-readies-desktop-and-Microsoft-App-V-virtualisation-with.htmOct 17 14:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BAE Systems readies desktop and Microsoft App-V virtualisation with Camwood - 10/1/2010 - Computer Weekly .::. Size~: 68.97 KBOct 17 14:14
schestowitzWho ever started this stupid rumour? http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/10/1/microsoft-rumoured-be-buying-linden-lab/Oct 17 14:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 17 14:15
schestowitzhttp://www.tomshardware.com/news/Second-Life-Linden-Lab-Mark-Kingdon-virtual-World-Xbox,11402.htmlOct 17 14:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft May Buy Second Life Developer .::. Size~: 111.2 KBOct 17 14:15
gnufreexIt is amusing how obvious Microsoft shills are denying in comments. It is becoming hard to cover up the obvious.Oct 17 14:17
schestowitzFunny logo: http://technologizer.com/2010/09/30/how-many-spaces-users-are-there-anyhow/Oct 17 14:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   How Many Spaces Users Are There, Anyhow?     .::. Size~: 45.81 KBOct 17 14:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft fraud examiner selling Redmond 4BD http://ur1.ca/23iht, Has he been looking inside his employer?Oct 17 14:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How propaganda is disseminated: WikiLeaks Edition - http://bit.ly/cWLd6F good blog report on newspaper failings (via @dangillmor) #ironyOct 17 14:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ur1 Generator .::. Size~: 1.93 KBOct 17 14:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How propaganda is disseminated:  WikiLeaks Edition - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com .::. Size~: 85.52 KBOct 17 14:19
schestowitzhttp://www.techeye.net/business/billy-goats-unite-behind-microsoftOct 17 14:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Billy goats unite behind Microsoft - To clear out patent trolls | TechEye .::. Size~: 25.76 KBOct 17 14:21
gnufreexschestowitz: Did you read bkuhn comment on shuttleworth?Oct 17 14:21
gnufreexI think we have the reason why UF are hostile to free sofwareOct 17 14:21
gnufreexThey want community that would accept OpenCoreOct 17 14:22
gnufreexas Good ThingOct 17 14:22
schestowitzOK, this is weird...Oct 17 14:23
gnufreexSo anyone who advocates free software is threat to canonicalOct 17 14:23
schestowitzWhy does Google say it indexed 73,700  pages in techright?Oct 17 14:23
schestowitz*rightOct 17 14:23
schestowitz*>rightsOct 17 14:23
schestowitzgnufreex: naaaOct 17 14:23
schestowitzYou think too farOct 17 14:23
schestowitzAnd I don't like KuhnOct 17 14:24
schestowitzConceited New YorkerOct 17 14:24
schestowitzAnd self righteous at that...Oct 17 14:24
schestowitzhe always looks for dirt on UbuntuOct 17 14:24
schestowitzI can only guess whyOct 17 14:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh Sheesh! Ok, i'll take that back, this time you have been busy! :)Oct 17 14:24
gnufreexI think he nailed it pretty well.Oct 17 14:24
schestowitzlolz http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2779793Oct 17 14:27
gnufreexThey want to make open core stuff, they don't care for community. They are effectively breaking community. Also, Teo Tso wrote on LWN.net same thing some time ago.Oct 17 14:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Has Microsoft developed the best browser ever? - Peterborough Examiner - Ontario, CA .::. Size~: 78.26 KBOct 17 14:27
schestowitzgnufreex: re Ubuntu?Oct 17 14:27
gnufreexYesOct 17 14:27
schestowitzHe also complained about Debian "jihad" or somethingOct 17 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google is being strange today, claiming to have indexed 73,600 pages in !techrights even though we have ~15,000Oct 17 14:28
schestowitzT'so is Google now, right?Oct 17 14:28
schestowitzFrom IBMOct 17 14:28
gnufreexHe was talking about Shuttleworth in that reply.Oct 17 14:28
schestowitzThey are like Linus... don't care about freedomOct 17 14:28
gnufreexYes, Tso is at Google.Oct 17 14:28
schestowitzTso=AndroidOct 17 14:28
schestowitzHypocrite!Oct 17 14:29
schestowitzCanonical is more free than GoogleOct 17 14:29
gnufreexYou sound like lefty: jra=android; google firewalOct 17 14:29
schestowitzThen there's JRAOct 17 14:29
schestowitzYesOct 17 14:29
schestowitzbeat me to itOct 17 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] NCIS taking on chat roulette? That show really loves its Internet memes.... :)Oct 17 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh ;) I hope I get some time to chill tomorrow so I can tackle our !minecraft server....Oct 17 14:29
schestowitzBut..Oct 17 14:29
schestowitzI was looking for a way to defend JRA hereOct 17 14:30
schestowitzThe press turns this agitator into an idol now..Oct 17 14:30
schestowitzhttp://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/10/apples_enemy_is_microsofts_fri.phpOct 17 14:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple's Enemy Is Microsoft's Friend - Seattle News - The Daily Weekly .::. Size~: 94.72 KBOct 17 14:30
schestowitzSeattle pressOct 17 14:30
schestowitzAnd Microsoft bribes herOct 17 14:30
schestowitzShe's posing like she's an east European wife for saleOct 17 14:30
schestowitzProbably some FB crapOct 17 14:31
MinceRDFB*Oct 17 14:32
gnufreexschestowitz: http://lwn.net/Articles/399380/Oct 17 14:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Copyright assignment - Once bitten, twice shy (The H) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 12.52 KBOct 17 14:32
MinceRwhat/who's JRA?Oct 17 14:34
gnufreexJeremy AllisonOct 17 14:34
schestowitzJeremaOct 17 14:34
schestowitznmOct 17 14:34
schestowitzJIRA!Oct 17 14:34
gnufreexlolOct 17 14:34
schestowitz[15:41] <Diablo-D3> ergo, redhat has jiraOct 17 14:34
schestowitz[15:41] <nenolod> it's jira.jboss.orgOct 17 14:34
schestowitz[15:40] <nenolod> where is redhat's jiraOct 17 14:35
schestowitzWhat's my $%##@# name?Oct 17 14:35
schestowitzJigga!Oct 17 14:35
schestowitzAnd who I'm rollin' with?Oct 17 14:35
schestowitzMy ...Oct 17 14:35
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIA7tuBqqYOct 17 14:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - Jay-Z - Jigga What, Jigga Who   .::. Size~: 160.08 KBOct 17 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh You've got a minecraft server? Cool! I'm always up for testing Alpha games.Oct 17 14:36
MinceRJigga Jigga!Oct 17 14:36
schestowitzYo Dawg, I herd you hard my JIRA has buffer overflowsOct 17 14:37
MinceRWelcome to the main arena!Oct 17 14:37
schestowitzCome debug my on my BenzOct 17 14:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh Talking of Chat Roulette, this guy is awesome: http://richs-lxh.com/chatroulette-guy-on-linux-penguin-chicken/Oct 17 14:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle:    Chatroulette Guy on Linux Penguin = Chicken - Father, Husband, Linux Geek& .::. Size~: 29.03 KBOct 17 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @bkuhn that's particular notice reminds me of #Eben's "I didn’t have any date tonight. Everybody knows that. My calendar’s on the web." :)Oct 17 14:39
schestowitzhttp://seekingalpha.com/article/227519-steve-jobs-quest-for-global-dominanceOct 17 14:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Steve Jobs' Quest for Global Dominance -- Seeking Alpha .::. Size~: 96.75 KBOct 17 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @richslxh @fabsh Talking of Chat Roulette, this guy is awesome: http://richs-lxh.com/chatroulette-guy-on-linux-penguin-chicken/Oct 17 14:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle:    Chatroulette Guy on Linux Penguin = Chicken - Father, Husband, Linux Geek& .::. Size~: 29.03 KBOct 17 14:41
schestowitzhttp://www1.albawaba.com/news/microsoft-jordan-organizes-startup-pitch-session-cooperation-oasis500Oct 17 14:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Jordan organizes a Startup Pitch session in cooperation with Oasis500 | Al Bawaba .::. Size~: 37.58 KBOct 17 14:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @osamak: Oracle asked the founders of #TDF and LibreOffice to leave the OO.o Community Council http://ur1.ca/23crp !gnuOct 17 14:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 179.87 KBOct 17 14:44
nenolodschestowitz: i do, but i don't actually use itOct 17 14:46
nenolodschestowitz: i'm trying to figure out how to connect it and twitterOct 17 14:47
schestowitznever mind, in case you will...Oct 17 14:47
schestowitznenolod: it's simpleOct 17 14:47
schestowitzidenti.ca has option to carbon-copy to twitter acctOct 17 14:47
schestowitzI used to use ping.fmOct 17 14:47
nenolodyeahOct 17 14:47
nenolodi want the other directionOct 17 14:47
nenolodi like twitter's UIOct 17 14:47
nenolodidentica's makes me sadOct 17 14:48
*schestowitz adds http://identi.ca/nenolodOct 17 14:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: William Pitcock (nenolod)  - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 14.4 KBOct 17 14:48
nenolodyesOct 17 14:48
nenolodi have 1 tweetOct 17 14:48
nenolodasking the current moron in charge of audacious in debian why he is ruining itOct 17 14:49
nenolod:DOct 17 14:49
nenolodactuallyOct 17 14:49
nenolodhe is not so badOct 17 14:49
nenolodhe wants to replace emulation parts of audacious-plugins with GPLv2-only code that is more accurateOct 17 14:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Not yet..... ;)Oct 17 14:49
schestowitzhttp://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xmlOct 17 14:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gentoo Linux Documentation--  The How and Why of XMMS removal .::. Size~: 10.52 KBOct 17 14:50
schestowitz"Audacious is a XMMS look-alike written in GTK 2. It supports XMMS skins but does not behave exactly like XMMS. Several plugins are available like audacious-docklet that displays an icon in the systemtray, audtty that allows you to control audacious in the command line, audacious-crossfade that allows continuous output and crossfading and a lot more to come or already available. There is a thread on the forums where you can requestOct 17 14:51
schestowitzplugin ports."Oct 17 14:51
schestowitzThe Swedish guy had that funny photo for "goodbye Gentoo"Oct 17 14:51
nenolodoh, with what's his nameOct 17 14:51
schestowitzxmms hardly works anymoreOct 17 14:51
schestowitzOSSOct 17 14:51
schestowitzsomethingsonOct 17 14:51
nenolodaudacious supports multiple UIsOct 17 14:51
nenolodoh shitOct 17 14:52
nenolodi found "symantec revolution"Oct 17 14:52
nenolodi forgot about thisOct 17 14:52
nenolodi wonder if microsoft has a song like thisOct 17 14:52
schestowitzhttp://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-employees-bored-2010-9Oct 17 14:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Employees Are More Bored Than Ever .::. Size~: 163.98 KBOct 17 14:53
schestowitzBeen hearing the same from brother's friend..Oct 17 14:53
schestowitzThey die out of boredomOct 17 14:53
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/study_microsoft_has_fallen_off_the_mainstream_medias_radar.htmlOct 17 14:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Study: Microsoft has 'fallen off the mainstream media’s radar' .::. Size~: 55.56 KBOct 17 14:53
schestowitzNonchalance kills themOct 17 14:53
nenolodhttp://nenolod.net/~nenolod/Symantec_Revolution.mp3Oct 17 14:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  nenolod.net .::. Size~: 34.41 KBOct 17 14:54
nenoloderOct 17 14:54
schestowitzmp3?Oct 17 14:54
schestowitzmpeg-laOct 17 14:54
nenolodok, and?Oct 17 14:54
schestowitzIt's a good thing we have firefox nowOct 17 14:54
schestowitzSo when I send people oggs they can play theseOct 17 14:55
nenolodi'm not transcoding something that is already in mp3Oct 17 14:55
amarsh04the only audio player that has lower cpu than xmms 1.2 that I've found has been moc (Music On Console)Oct 17 14:55
nenolodplus most of the mp3 patents are expiredOct 17 14:55
nenolodamarsh04: have you even tried audacious with gtkui?Oct 17 14:55
nenolodit uses 0% CPU hereOct 17 14:55
nenolodand i'm clocked down to 933mhz right nowOct 17 14:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn Biggest difference between #Red_Hat and #Canonical is Red Hat shows some capacity to acknowledge and learn from mistakesOct 17 14:56
amarsh04not sure if it's packaged for Debian... audacious took an order of magnitude more cpu than xmms 1.2Oct 17 14:56
schestowitzmplayer from cli?Oct 17 14:56
schestowitznot verboseOct 17 14:56
amarsh04that is also a possibility schestowitzOct 17 14:56
cubevectorfirst audio blog is done... just a short oneOct 17 14:56
cubevectorhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/audio-blog-1.mp3Oct 17 14:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana [RHT] Biggest difference between #Red_Hat and #Canonical is Red Hat shows some capacity to acknowledge and learn from mistakesOct 17 14:58
nenolodsymantec has a corporate theme songOct 17 14:58
nenolodi just want to remark how depressing that isOct 17 14:58
nenolodthey probably paid like $250k for it tooOct 17 14:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn it still feels like infighting. Canonical is not our real problem at the moment and @mjasay can clarifyOct 17 14:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn #swpats are a bigger issue than #Open_Core IMHO. Far bigger.Oct 17 14:59
schestowitz"No more soup for you!!!" http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/34694/Microsoft-reduces-TechNet-keys http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/9/27/microsoft-drops-technet-key-allowance/ errr.... OKOct 17 15:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @schestowitz that is probably unfair of me. Rather I will just say: I think Canonical is making some bad policy decisions.Oct 17 15:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fontana Red Hat's too sometimes. Fog Computing, software patents, NDAs over settlements, and the list goes on. Canonical is not much worse.Oct 17 15:03
nenolodi'm not sure what you mean by fog computingOct 17 15:03
nenolodEC2 or Google Apps?Oct 17 15:03
nenolodi'm guessing Google Apps, since EC2 is just virtualization on demand tied up with an APIOct 17 15:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn you mean the era of the Red Baron web browser :-)Oct 17 15:04
schestowitzhttp://www.arnnet.com.au/article/362101/microsofting_juniper_networks/Oct 17 15:06
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schestowitznenolod: data in someone else's handsOct 17 15:07
nenolodso Google Apps, then.Oct 17 15:08
schestowitzAs a phenomenon, yesOct 17 15:09
schestowitzhttp://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=11694740Oct 17 15:09
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schestowitznenolod: too many Google fan[people]Oct 17 15:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, I'd actually forgotten about #Red_Baron until you just mentioned it, but that was one proprietary app among *many* in old #RedHat.Oct 17 15:09
schestowitzWilling to subs foss for fogOct 17 15:09
schestowitzthe !microsoft crowdOct 17 15:10
schestowitzAppleOct 17 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] testing twitter <-> identi.ca integration, don't mind me.Oct 17 15:11
nenolodokOct 17 15:11
nenolodwtfOct 17 15:11
nenolodohOct 17 15:12
nenolodhey it worksOct 17 15:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Can Art Do Technology And Social Change? - http://www.axisweb.org/dlForum.aspx?ESSAYID=18115Oct 17 15:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn at the same time, #Red_Hat pointed the way to a new direction with the release of RMS Linux, a historical turning point :-)Oct 17 15:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] actually, as ugly as identi.ca's UI is, it's much faster than #newtwitter. i think i'll just post from it until i find a decent client.Oct 17 15:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Having spent the afternoon at Frieze I now have nothing in the cupboard to eat. There's a lesson here about art that I refuse to acknowledgeOct 17 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evilOct 17 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @fontana I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evilOct 17 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, PLEASE do write essay on why contribution agreements are #evil (although OTOH IMO it is possible to do a community-friendly one).Oct 17 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "universal constructors" on Jamendo.com. go now. *now*. seriously. "lounge blizzard" and "wonky disco" FTW! ur1.ca/23iykOct 17 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, IMO that's not a fair assessment of !Canonical Ltd b/c it's much younger than #Red_Hat. It may learn yet. (cf: Founder's syndrome)Oct 17 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I don't have a problem with trusted FLOSS NPOs aggregating developer copyrights (I think you have influenced my thinking there)Oct 17 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] "being always connected,always accessible or interruptible,&with music blaring most of the time, gets in the way of thinking" #Stroustrup !qOct 17 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, the key to that is doing the right kind of promise-back to developers what the non-profit organization can do with the code later.Oct 17 15:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] @schestowitz #Open_Core (copyright reassignment) is a pretty big deal - it's one of the things that has really held GNU back at times.Oct 17 15:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] (infact, #Open_Core is one of the talking points the BSD community used to use when comparing itself to GNU...)Oct 17 15:21
schestowitz"they index archive listings, categories and other useless pages; using meta robots noindex,follow on such pages should fix it" http://identi.ca/conversation/56021347#notice-56505181Oct 17 15:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Omfg! has anybody tried Collier's Welsh cheddar? My wife found some in a Spanish supermarket. Unbe-flippin-lievable! #cheeseloveOct 17 15:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I think it is difficult to make legally bulletproof promise back, which is why I think degree of trust in the organization mattersOct 17 15:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @nenolod #Open_Core is one of the talking points the BSD community used to use when comparing itself to GNU...Oct 17 15:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evilOct 17 15:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] I now really really really want a reprap or a makerbot. And I really really really really need to finish learning Blender.Oct 17 15:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] uClibc 0.9.32-git still fails build on amd64. fiddlesticks. :<Oct 17 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok everybody, !ratholeradio LIVE and uncensored in about half an hour. IRC is just starting to get warmed up, come join in, more the merrierOct 17 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Saw Tracey Emin I almost liked at Frieze, which is new.Oct 17 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I dunno, I don't think the good things Red Hat has done (or changed) are related to its older ageOct 17 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL "I saw your profile in the internet friendship site today" #spamawkwardnessOct 17 15:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @robmyers I'll tell you what you want, what you really really want... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCNc8l26yrIOct 17 15:38
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roy__http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=3 "[PJ: That's one possible explanation. Here's another possibility -- that IBM knows how to deal with the Open Source Community, and Oracle now realizes, after the unfortunate Google litigation, it could use some help improving on that.] "Oct 17 15:41
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roy__http://identi.ca/notice/56489075 "Yes! "Hey, we're doing our part! We spilled a little, yeah...""Oct 17 15:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @webmaven: Very interesting article on FB vs. Twitter: is.gd/g5Nrj Commercialization implications for federated #sn groups functionality?Oct 17 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just setup a blip.tv account and posted a text .ogv, it works a treatOct 17 15:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #libreoffice is biased, so I'd wait for confirmation from Oracle that they abolish OOo community members. http://ur1.ca/227ylOct 17 15:56
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schestowitzThistleWeb: URL/Oct 17 15:57
schestowitz?Oct 17 15:57
schestowitzLinux demos?Oct 17 15:57
ThistleWebit's linux mint and drupalOct 17 15:58
ThistleWebthats the ideaOct 17 15:58
ThistleWebright now there's only a 17 or so second test castOct 17 15:58
schestowitzwhat's the direct url of the ogv?Oct 17 15:58
schestowitzI want to put that in daily linkOct 17 15:58
schestowitzWould get it a few thousands of d/lsOct 17 15:59
ThistleWebbut as it grows, yeah it will be beginner level linux mint tutorials and drawing attention to lesser known drupal modulesOct 17 15:59
schestowitzI need oggsOct 17 15:59
schestowitzI use tinyoggs for nowOct 17 15:59
ThistleWebhttp://thistleweb.blip.tv/Oct 17 16:00
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schestowitzI just need ogg urlOct 17 16:00
ThistleWebI'll need to find thatOct 17 16:00
ThistleWebI just joined like 15mins agoOct 17 16:00
schestowitzhow do I get to the ogg?Oct 17 16:01
schestowitzThey changed the UIOct 17 16:01
schestowitzI once managed to do thatOct 17 16:01
schestowitzin different formatsOct 17 16:02
schestowitzCool. Scottish accentOct 17 16:02
schestowitzThey Flashify OggOct 17 16:03
schestowitzWhich isn't esp. helpfulOct 17 16:03
ThistleWebI uploaded a ogv staright from recordmydesktop without any conversionOct 17 16:03
ThistleWebyeah they doOct 17 16:03
ThistleWebthey gave a link to the file before they converted it, I'm having a look through the dashboardOct 17 16:04
schestowitzthanksOct 17 16:06
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Viper550re http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/acid-test-and-winphone7/Oct 17 16:10
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schestowitzwe already have gigs of videos thereOct 17 16:10
Viper550Well, they SAID it wasn't based off IE9.Oct 17 16:10
schestowitzIE9 sucksOct 17 16:10
schestowitzRAM+CPUOct 17 16:10
Viper550but its engine is better than "in between IE7 and IE8"Oct 17 16:11
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schestowitzMade in sweatshopsOct 17 16:11
nenolodIE9 is better than IE8 as far as font rendering quality goesOct 17 16:11
cubevectorhaven't even looked at IE in yearsOct 17 16:11
schestowitzI touched it yesterdayOct 17 16:11
schestowitzTo test a connection on another machineOct 17 16:11
schestowitzF5Oct 17 16:12
schestowitzI'm getting a new router tomorrowOct 17 16:12
nenolodbut i've usually found that windows's font rendering has been depressing compared to freetype and OS XOct 17 16:12
schestowitzThis one keeps dropping my off since SundayOct 17 16:12
schestowitzLast oneOct 17 16:12
cubevectorwith routers those tiny ac adapters tend to goOct 17 16:12
cubevectorso I keep sparesOct 17 16:13
nenolodi do all my routing on a ciscoOct 17 16:13
schestowitzSpares for the spares of the sparesOct 17 16:13
nenolodat&t is going to be very confused on fridayOct 17 16:13
nenolodlolzOct 17 16:13
schestowitzcubevector: you lost the connection there for a secondOct 17 16:14
schestowitzBut logs did not miss a thingOct 17 16:14
schestowitzI'll probably get them off your machine tomorrow after I set up a new routerOct 17 16:14
cubevectorheh trueOct 17 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Listening to @fabsh interview on This Week In Fedora podcast. Interesting to hear about his background and experience in FOSS.Oct 17 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @kevie: rathole radio just started the live broadcast :) !rrOct 17 16:14
schestowitzBeen logging without loss since 2008Oct 17 16:14
nenolodif you need a place to run a logbot, i could set up a VM for itOct 17 16:14
schestowitzMaybe I lost a few lines here and thereOct 17 16:15
cubevectorwell if your ISP goes, you goOct 17 16:15
cubevectorunless you have multiple ISPsOct 17 16:15
schestowitzI have multiple locations for itOct 17 16:15
schestowitzAt least twoOct 17 16:15
schestowitznenolod: thanksOct 17 16:15
nenolodlet me know tomorrowOct 17 16:16
schestowitzcubevector: a friend of mine near London has multiple ISPsOct 17 16:16
schestowitzhe lives in remote locationOct 17 16:16
cubevectorif you can afford it, why notOct 17 16:16
schestowitzSo he sets it up so that when one goes down the conduit falls over to the other channelOct 17 16:16
schestowitzcubevector: he needs it for work and he's a BT execs, so it's cheapOct 17 16:17
cubevectorah well thenOct 17 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listen to !RatholeRadio now OR ELSE!!!! http://ratholeradio.orgOct 17 16:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] re: "The Social network": I always assumed that Facebook's stickiness was due more to its status updates than to its early exclusivity...Oct 17 16:19
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ThistleWebschestowitz: as yet I dunno how to give an ogv only feed, but this one lists both the flv and ogv http://thistleweb.blip.tv/rssOct 17 16:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !ratholeradio is on! !rrOct 17 16:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Would I be too geeky by saying that the true heroes of "The Social Network" were Linux, PHP, MySQL, Apache (w/ nods to wget and Perl)?Oct 17 16:23
ThistleWebI do plan to have a screencast section on my site, with embedded video from there, I may be able to create an ogv feed from that, I'll see what I can doOct 17 16:23
cubevectorit would be kind of interesting to hear what everyone sounds likeOct 17 16:24
ThistleWebI've kinda gotten used to the sound of my voice but it took a while to get over the cringing when I was doing HPR epsOct 17 16:25
cubevectoryeah plus it must be hard to talk about Microsoft and keeping the disgust out of your voice :)Oct 17 16:25
ThistleWeblolOct 17 16:26
cubevectorI did CBC radio onceOct 17 16:27
cubevectordoing stuff at home was much more relaxedOct 17 16:28
ThistleWebI do stuff in single takes, I can't be arsed with mixingOct 17 16:28
cubevectoryeahOct 17 16:28
cubevectorwell you can always do a rehearsal or somethingOct 17 16:28
cubevectorthen do it in one takeOct 17 16:29
ThistleWebit does mean that I often take several attempts at it, when I get brain farts part way through and end up with screencast equivelent of dead airOct 17 16:29
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cubevectorwell point form notes might helpOct 17 16:29
ThistleWebwhen I try, I plan vague bullet points of what I need to cover and what order, beyond that I wing itOct 17 16:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] RD bkuhn: #Shuttleworth, @sabdfl of !Ubuntu finally admits to #Open_Core plans for !Canonical: http://ur1.ca/23h7zOct 17 16:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just played on !ratholeradio Live: Nerdcore by MC Frontalot http://frontalot.comOct 17 16:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Now doing the mixdown of !LO 169. Shame I can't listen to !rr live.... :/Oct 17 16:29
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cubevectoryes, plus you don't want to sound like your reading from cue cards :)Oct 17 16:30
schestowitzMinceR: Groklaw stopped with the Apple mentions, so power to PJOct 17 16:30
ThistleWebthat tooOct 17 16:30
cubevectoryou'reOct 17 16:30
schestowitzIt did kind of happen after I started a discussion about it, but it's unlikely to be relatedOct 17 16:30
ThistleWebI couldnt do reading, I can only talk off the cuffOct 17 16:30
schestowitzThistleWeb: ah, excellent feedOct 17 16:31
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cubevectorkind of short ThistleWeb :)Oct 17 16:33
ThistleWebquality, not quantityOct 17 16:34
Viper550I know that this doesn't involve open source, but did you hear about the internet brands vs. xenforo brouhaha?Oct 17 16:34
ThistleWebroflOct 17 16:34
ThistleWebat least I joined, and tested the ogv compatibility, converting it was a bit of a painOct 17 16:34
ThistleWebsince it takes it without converting, it's idealOct 17 16:35
*cubevector wonders what MinceR sounds likeOct 17 16:35
cubevectorViper550, nopeOct 17 16:35
ThistleWebover the next few days I'll be recording a few more and setting up my site's end of itOct 17 16:35
cubevectorI could do an openbsd screencastOct 17 16:36
Viper550http://vbtruth.com/Oct 17 16:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @kevie Interview with Jono Bacon tonight on Rathole Radio !rr !ubuntu stream http://65.60.11.2:8216/liveOct 17 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Anyone knows a music streaming service that runs WITHOUT Flash? | Reddit Discussion http://ping.fm/nD3phOct 17 16:36
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MinceR223010 < schestowitz> MinceR: Groklaw stopped with the Apple mentions, so power to PJOct 17 16:36
MinceRis that good or bad?Oct 17 16:36
schestowitzGoodOct 17 16:37
schestowitzThe feeds are almost Apple freeOct 17 16:37
schestowitzAlmostOct 17 16:37
schestowitzSee http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 at topOct 17 16:37
schestowitz'Oct 17 16:37
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schestowitz    *Oct 17 16:37
schestowitz    * Band replaces instruments with iPhones, still rocks outOct 17 16:37
schestowitz    * Sunday, October 17 2010 @ 03:43 PM EDTOct 17 16:37
schestowitz    * The solution? Play on iPhones, instead. The results are surprisingly good.Oct 17 16:37
schestowitz'Oct 17 16:37
MinceRicOct 17 16:38
schestowitzhttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/red-hat-summit-and-jboss-world-call-for-papers-now-open-2010-10-13?reflink=MW_news_stmpOct 17 16:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Could anyone explain how !Sugar Presence Service works in !Abiword Abicollab? Seems !OLPC related?Oct 17 16:38
MinceRdo you think it will last?Oct 17 16:38
schestowitzGroklaw sometimes seems to teach people that replacing Microsoft with Apple is goodOct 17 16:39
schestowitzThe !Microsoft mentalityOct 17 16:39
cubevectorhmmmOct 17 16:39
schestowitzNot !proprietaryOct 17 16:39
schestowitzGroklaw also defends IBM a lotOct 17 16:40
schestowitzGroklaw links to this in the evening: http://dvice.com/archives/2010/10/band-replaces-i.phpOct 17 16:41
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cubevectorwell I was sorry to see Be goOct 17 16:41
schestowitzI just don't see the pointOct 17 16:41
cubevectorand they were proprietary tooOct 17 16:41
schestowitzWhat does that teach people?Oct 17 16:41
schestowitzShe posted ~10 links to the Java/IBM storyOct 17 16:42
schestowitzBut so did we...Oct 17 16:42
schestowitzAlthough our total # of links is like 10 times higherOct 17 16:42
cubevectorIBM did make some of the historically important computersOct 17 16:42
schestowitzI want to post ThistleWeb's test vid before midnightOct 17 16:42
schestowitzIt's better if content comes from our communityOct 17 16:42
cubevectorsureOct 17 16:42
ThistleWeblol, I'll be deleting that test vid after the first proper screencast is readyOct 17 16:43
ThistleWebit was only a small file to test how it copes with ogvOct 17 16:43
cubevectoranother example: I liked CommodoreOct 17 16:43
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467004575463843289453872.html?mod=wsj_share_twitterOct 17 16:43
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cubevectorbut they were the most open proprietary companies around in their dayOct 17 16:43
schestowitzThistleWeb: no, keep itOct 17 16:44
schestowitzI've already put that inOct 17 16:44
schestowitzWith captionOct 17 16:44
cubevectordoes bliptv host you then?Oct 17 16:44
cubevectoror do you provide your own?Oct 17 16:44
ThistleWebI got a free account at blip.tvOct 17 16:44
ThistleWebthey do have premium accounts wth more optionsOct 17 16:45
ThistleWebthey host itOct 17 16:45
ThistleWebthey stream itOct 17 16:45
ThistleWebI can set up permissions to allow embedding, whatever licenece I want, I'll need to check how to make the default CCOct 17 16:45
ThistleWebthat test vid is creative commonsOct 17 16:46
cubevectorcoolOct 17 16:46
ThistleWebthey do have content restrictions, so it's not a free for all that youtube isOct 17 16:47
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ThistleWebbut mine fits well within what they allowOct 17 16:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn "Not all contributors are equal" bullcrap. Shuttleworth has been posting about that too. Very #disturbing.Oct 17 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Excellent blog post, BTW. :)Oct 17 16:49
schestowitzthey just serve video files and flash objectOct 17 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Censorship abound in the ##windows chat room (freenode)...Its more Linux in there than Microsoft! Great stuff! !microsoftOct 17 16:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] State of !Firefox 4.0 on !GNU + !Linux http://www.tildehash.com/?article=state-of-firefox-4-0-on-gnu-linuxOct 17 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @openbytes Censorship abound in the ##windows chat room (freenode)...Its more Linux in there than Microsoft! Great stuff! !microsoftOct 17 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fabsh,can you give me URL for @sabdfl saying that "not all developers are equal"? ADVSorryANCE if is obvious; I don't subscribe to his blogOct 17 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz No clue what this has to do with Fedora vs. Ubuntu. We are talking about Canonical's policies ATM.Oct 17 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm reading about Pano Devices - Strange to me http://ping.fm/w4LZBOct 17 16:56
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schestowitz"@fabsh @bkuhn !Fedora - !Ubuntu popularity wars are a distraction"Oct 17 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh see @fontana remarksOct 17 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Oh dear. When IE9 is compared to other browsers, it doesn't seem at quick as !microsoft claim: http://tinyurl.com/23pq8va !ie9Oct 17 17:01
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_Goblinsorry people....double denting coming upOct 17 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Oh dear. When IE9 is compared to other browsers, it doesn't seem as quick as !microsoft claim: http://tinyurl.com/23pq8va !ie9Oct 17 17:03
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schestowitzHereOct 17 17:04
schestowitzDouble fun, _GoblinOct 17 17:04
schestowitzFrom Microsoft Emil, no less...Oct 17 17:05
schestowitzhttp://bloc.eurion.net/archives/2010/debious-a-dubious-debian-packaging-gui/Oct 17 17:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !ratholeradio @methoddan singing LIVE now! http://ratholeradio.org/live/Oct 17 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn http://ur1.ca/23jrk "that suggests that the two contributions are equal, when they really are not."Oct 17 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open source investment to increase – survey http://www.siliconrepublic.com/strategy/item/18263 #freesoftwareOct 17 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @iluvpclinuxos Testing PCLinuxOS KDE 4 2010.10 Test ISO.Oct 17 17:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana @bkuhn http://ur1.ca/23jrk [Shuttleworth:] "that suggests that the two contributions are equal, when they really are not."Oct 17 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Well, he's never said it outright, at least not on his blog. Reading all of his posts definitely give me that gist though....Oct 17 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn ...stuff like http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/517Oct 17 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 118542 !gnu !Linux PCs registered in ~week, 40% of which in Poland+Russia http://www.dudalibre.com/gnulinuxcounterOct 17 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz I am not @fontana. I wasn't talking about Fedora at all.Oct 17 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oracle Asks Founders Of The Documents Foundation To Leave http://ur1.ca/23jue Better description of the situationOct 17 17:13
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schestowitzyeahOct 17 17:17
schestowitzI wrote some gtk 1.2 s/wOct 17 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Exactly the quote I had in my head but couldn't find. Thanks! @bkuhnOct 17 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #libreoffice folks can't blame #openoffice and #scoracle for being hostile. They threaten their jobs/project, it's provocativeOct 17 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh you should use "I am not @fontana" as the title of your autobiographyOct 17 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh yeah, I was referring to this dicussion in generalOct 17 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Haha. SCO/Microsoft hatchet lady Maureen O'Gara is already using #libreoffice spin to attack Office rivals. #sco #pr #openofficeOct 17 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OpenOffice: we develop OOo; LibreOffice: But... Oracle; OpenOffice: So? LibreOffice: we fork; OpenOffice: so leave LibreOffice: bad Oracle!Oct 17 17:24
schestowitzEnder2070: maybe they want web conferencingOct 17 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana LOL! Before I do that we should at least meet in person one day. All I know about you is from @bkuhn... ;)Oct 17 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Web browser speed test: Chrome, Firefox, IE9, Opera and Safari head-to-head http://ur1.ca/23jyz Chrome wins againOct 17 17:26
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schestowitzhttp://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/barbara-billingsley-tvs-june-clever-dead-94/story?id=11901936 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-16/barbara-billingsley-leave-it-to-beaver-sitcom-mom-june-dies-at-age-94.htmlOct 17 17:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz People compare. It's the nature of the human condition. That's how our brains work....Oct 17 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Canonical Open_Core huh? Pfft! As if this agenda is a surprise, I mean come on. Those who criticized Canonical before got flack, well......?Oct 17 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ten reasons !GNU !Linux is the best choice for kids http://ur1.ca/23i1bOct 17 17:29
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schestowitzEnder2070: streaming in real-timeOct 17 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The !KDE Netbook Desktop - Continued http://ur1.ca/23jzq It looks polished; My family loves PlasmaOct 17 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn they won't allow you in the building unless you wear a red #fedoraOct 17 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh trueOct 17 17:31
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schestowitzHard to find FOSS SOLUTIONS (OOPS. caps accident)Oct 17 17:31
schestowitz"I couldn't see this service was advertised much here in Poland" http://identi.ca/conversation/56046911#notice-56531782Oct 17 17:32
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56047537#notice-56532184 "I have been surprised by how badly Oracle have taken the !LibreOffice fork, almost like they weren't expecting it. Strange"Oct 17 17:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @bkuhn I have to admit, I don't really understand what that means. You mean they won't promise licence perpetuity? Might change it?Oct 17 17:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Off-The-Record in !kopete r0x. pure and simple.Oct 17 17:34
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56046911#notice-56532756 "and I can't consider Poland as Windows-free. Contrarily, there're too many Windows' in public administration :("Oct 17 17:35
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schestowitzHi, scientesOct 17 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 2003 MICROSOFT MEMO (labeled "highly confidential" in ALL CAPS) says “Linux % of PC installed base” in “Enterprise” 4.20% in RussiaOct 17 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft's estimates of !GNU !Linux market share: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/linux-heat-map.pngOct 17 17:38
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schestowitz"Why? You've accused FOSS-people with less evidence. Why doubt LibreOffice statements now?" http://twitter.com/#!/janstedehouder/status/27667225904Oct 17 17:38
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schestowitz*sigh*Oct 17 17:38
schestowitzJan StedehouderOct 17 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Doing !LO show notes....Oct 17 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mr @mjasay says "I have heard exactly ZERO internal discussion about our embracing Open Core. As in 0 (nada, zilch, rien)"Oct 17 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mjasay I also think the idea of Open Core = VC dream/road to riches overlooks just about all data: biggest "OSS businesses"...Oct 17 17:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mjasay into Canonical's intentions. I don't think Canonical's history justifies the suspicion //yes, I thought @bkuhn had jumped the gunOct 17 17:43
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56051166#notice-56535489 "is it from 2003, right?"Oct 17 17:43
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schestowitzThe intelligence Microsoft had in 2003 showed GNU/Linux at well over 1%, except in places like the US http://techrights.org/2010/09/10/us-oriented-operating-system-surveys/Oct 17 17:44
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56051166#notice-56535588 "Document seems quite old though"Oct 17 17:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @schestowitz,Been asking !Canonical for 1.5 yrs why the won't make a promise back. Only logical explanation is they're reserving possibilityOct 17 17:46
schestowitz"are those where what you sell is explicitly NOT code, Open Core or otherwise. I think you may be misreading too much" - @mjasayOct 17 17:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn yes, but possibility is not enough to prove intentOct 17 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @silner, "promise back" means "CLA &/or CAA promises all versions of codebase will always be made available under !FaiF or copyleft license"Oct 17 17:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @lnxwalt280 I think Canonical is looking at a lot of ways to try and earn some money. Doesn't always mean they'll choose it.Oct 17 17:53
schestowitzI can't believe I take Mac Asay's side for a changeOct 17 17:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Holy craps #Html5 + JQuery Mobile is so awesome. #very #excited - #jquerymobileOct 17 17:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] NewsBytes 17th October 2010 – Mono, IE9, Badboy Ballmer & Angry Birds! !microsoft !mono !novell !ie9 !linux !androidOct 17 18:01
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCHEJynXHDAOct 17 18:03
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schestowitz_Goblin: no URLOct 17 18:03
_Goblinlol...Oct 17 18:04
_GoblindohOct 17 18:04
MinceRNO U! ...RLOct 17 18:04
MinceR:>Oct 17 18:04
_Goblinthere done.Oct 17 18:05
_Goblinsorry...thats the second dupe dent Ive done today.....Oct 17 18:05
_Goblinmust be stress.Oct 17 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] NewsBytes 17th October 2010 –Mono,IE9,Badboy Ballmer & Angry Birds! http://tinyurl.com/268tkl3 !microsoft !mono !novell !ie9 !linux !androidOct 17 18:06
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_Goblinbtw, if anyone is thinking of seeing Altitude on DVD...forget it...its rubbish.Oct 17 18:07
_GoblinNever really had a use for Google Docs myself...Oct 17 18:09
gnufreexEnder2070... Sun was working on something like that... now ORacle does.. but it will be propriatary, probably.Oct 17 18:09
MinceRgnOct 17 18:10
Viper550My old school, actually had openoffice 3 installed network-wideOct 17 18:10
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Viper550cause only select labs had Office XP. Everyone else had WordPerfect Office (ugh) or OpenOffice 3Oct 17 18:10
scientesuggggghOct 17 18:13
scienteshate web-based applicationsOct 17 18:13
Viper550I'm trying to start work on a new commercial grade (and no, not open core) forum system, google docs is proving usefulOct 17 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @set0s ♻ @schestowitz: Microsoft's estimates of !GNU !Linux market share: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/linux-hea ...Oct 17 18:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz Open source investment to increase – survey http://www.siliconrepublic.com/strategy/item/18263 #freesoftwareOct 17 18:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 17/10/2010: KDE Netbook Desktop, Angry Birds a Real Hit on Linux Phones http://ur1.ca/23kci !techrightsOct 17 18:21
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schestowitzEnder2070: opengoo?Oct 17 18:21
schestowitzThey renameOct 17 18:21
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schestowitzAnd become more proprietarOct 17 18:21
schestowitzSomething like Keng office...Oct 17 18:22
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schestowitzFengOct 17 18:22
schestowitzhttp://www.fengoffice.com/web/index.phpOct 17 18:22
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schestowitzNo longer FOSS at all I see...Oct 17 18:23
schestowitzhttp://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/community_index.php "Feng Office Collaboration Platform is Open Source Software. There are many reasons why being this is good. Here you can read more  about the benefits of being Open Source. "Oct 17 18:23
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schestowitzhttp://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/why-is-open-source.phpOct 17 18:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/downloads.phpOct 17 18:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Newsweek Predicts: Microsoft to Oust Ballmer in 2010 http://tinyurl.com/2ap7td3 !microsoft !mvp !mvpbuzz !wp7 - I reckon its mid 2011.Oct 17 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #OpenGoo turned from Free software into fauxpen (proprietary): http://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/downloads.phpOct 17 18:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] @glynmoody didnt see reply on identica; two projects http://freethepostcode.org/ & OSM, code<->street API http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/NominatimOct 17 18:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] TDF and LibO mailing lists in several languages have been set up - more to follow! http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_ListsOct 17 18:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] PVR has managed to record loads of stuff todayOct 17 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jamesm/@jamesm] Wondering what happened to foss.my this yearOct 17 18:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Ive thoroughly enjoying another Linux title (a MMORG) that Ive discovered over the last week. Two great titles coming: www.openbytes.co.ccOct 17 18:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] KTorrent 4.0.3 released: http://ktorrent.org/ !kde !bittorrent !p2p !linux !fossOct 17 18:41
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oiaohmMore and more opensource is being hidden under the title communityOct 17 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] "#WebKit has issues. They eventually fixes their bugs, but they leave a trail of tears in the meantime." -- @jeresig at !jQuery #jqconOct 17 18:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Meetings of last week's TDF Steering Comittee meeting are now online: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_MeetingsOct 17 18:51
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scienteshate web-based applicationsOct 17 18:52
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56050113#notice-56548259 "i dont like the plasma bar in netbook mode :( its unusable overfilled"Oct 17 18:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] I hate #EC2, with a passion; ec2-register _still_ doesn't let me create an EBS instance even though I'm using the exact documented command.Oct 17 18:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] RT @x11r5 @evgeni Oh baby you, you got what i will just sit down next2 some1,talk4 about 5 lined up to 11Oct 17 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !GPL violation reports in HTC G2 !Android phone http://ping.fm/DOKYd /by @rejonOct 17 19:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] @carlopiana sadly due in most part to adverts. position for context, internet for image data #androidOct 17 19:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Yay, @x11r5 has gone even more mad than @insultronOct 17 19:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatteron/@themadhatteron] Response to Janis Nixon re the Hamilton Spectator interview #copyright http://bit.ly/a8HP8XOct 17 19:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] Just released: Linux Outlaws 169 - Ubuntu-Proof >> http://ur1.ca/23kpn // sorry for the delay getting the show out this week!Oct 17 19:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Just released: Linux Outlaws 169 - Ubuntu-Proof >> http://ur1.ca/23kpn !loOct 17 19:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Fuck me! I'm buggered now. I don't think I had any free time in a week..... Maybe tomorrow a bit. One can hope...Oct 17 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] #wow http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/74892 who the hell publishes FOSS documentation in .docx & .pdfOct 17 19:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I remember why I don't go to #Fedora, it's nothing but elitism and sneeringOct 17 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] ♺ @bruce89: I remember why I don't go to #Fedora, it's nothing but elitism and sneeringOct 17 19:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] As in the IRC channel, not the distroOct 17 19:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. I am dead tired now...Oct 17 19:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] The cooperate funeral service - just add death #crapadvertsOct 17 19:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I can't believe I just said thatOct 17 19:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] Hotboxed my room again and now i'm extremely hungry but there's barely any snacks. FuuuuuOct 17 20:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mako/@mako] Let's not be afraid to redefine what is practical or realistic. That's the only way we'll win. http://ur1.ca/23kz9Oct 17 20:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] I should probably watch a movie or something.. I dunnoOct 17 20:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] ♺ @reality: You should listen to this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCwBMPEnMDI&feature=relatedOct 17 20:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Is this normal css? «.ui-select select { position: absolute; left: -99999px; }» #jquery #dirtyHackOct 17 20:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I have covertly inserted a Markov bot in an IRC channelOct 17 20:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatteron/@themadhatteron] Intellectual Property Primer - Part One - Trademarks #trademark #ip http://bit.ly/aAiHPxOct 17 21:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] GeeXboX Develops The OpenBricks Framework: The developers behind the GeeXboX multi-media Linux distribution have w... http://bit.ly/bEgSfFOct 17 21:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] save art! kill lady gaga!Oct 17 21:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @speeddefrost Oh, she's a hot babe. Kill Justin Bieber, he's an idiot. The woman, no way. ;-)Oct 17 21:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] @agentsmith kill them both!Oct 17 21:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] with rakes and pick axes! /cc @realityOct 17 21:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Did you know that the world's first e-mail was sent in 1131 to tell someone that they had invented Helvetica bold?Oct 17 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Through an accident involving a typewriter and a time machine, there were no goldfish born in 2001Oct 17 22:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I also have no idea what I'm on about, but it'll be the last of this stream of conciousnessOct 17 22:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Glad to be back at home! Palm Springs was good, but too hectic of a weekend.Oct 17 22:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] 'Humans will need two Earths by 2030' http://ur1.ca/23lr5Oct 17 22:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] !watching One Piece 471 !animeOct 17 22:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Falcon punch. It's better than fruit punch. (via @edythemighty)Oct 17 22:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @laurelrusswurm Where can I find a copy of your book? I'd like to read it.Oct 17 22:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @andyc Evra - stop broadcasting to the world every week how we have to cut out the silly errors and just do your talking on the pitch ...Oct 17 22:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @laurelrusswurm Just wondering how C-32 actually prevents me from self publishing and distributing _my own work_, can you explain?Oct 17 22:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] what's a good way to keep an envelope from smelling?Oct 17 22:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @reality: Identica - I came for the Freedom, stayed for the awesome.Oct 17 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] I thus take the opportunity to remind my followers in Twitter and Facebook that my account there is *write*only* so join me at identi.ca :)Oct 17 23:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @freeculture: Hulu selectively prevents Cablevision customers from watching Fox/News Corp content #netneutrality http://is.gd/g58wEOct 17 05:03
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hazzyLOLOct 17 05:05
hazzyI just read the latest Techrights about VP7Oct 17 05:05
hazzy"Another $400 Million Down the Drain"Oct 17 05:05
hazzyAwesome.Oct 17 05:05
Diablo-D3its not really.Oct 17 05:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - Guns N' Roses - Don't Cry" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRIbf6JqkNc&feature=channelOct 17 05:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] RT @chicagonpg White Zombie - More Human Than Human http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0E0ynyIUsgOct 17 05:10
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hazzyFrom a consumer's point of view, it isOct 17 05:10
hazzyIt saves them from having Microsoft leverage a monopoly to control the marketOct 17 05:11
Diablo-D3well noOct 17 05:11
Diablo-D3its giving people jobsOct 17 05:11
Diablo-D3jobs that, without gross corporate waste, wouldnt existOct 17 05:11
hazzyFine, I'll give you thatOct 17 05:11
Diablo-D3infact, bill gates is, like, some sort of anti-heroOct 17 05:12
Diablo-D3or somethingOct 17 05:12
Diablo-D3I dunno, I was going somewhere with this, and it got away from meOct 17 05:12
hazzyWell, your point was well made with the jobsOct 17 05:13
Diablo-D3yeah, but hazzyOct 17 05:13
Diablo-D310 times more jobs would exist if companies were efficientOct 17 05:14
hazzyYes, agreedOct 17 05:14
hazzyI see it far too often at my own jobOct 17 05:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Amazon is Distorting Canadian Patent Law http://ur1.ca/23bnj Mr. Bezos destroys other countries' legal systems with #swpatsOct 17 05:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - Guns N' Roses Think About You studio Version" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJySi7Z3ZXY&feature=relatedOct 17 05:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] the #fascism world is hereOct 17 05:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] #africa will survive..........Oct 17 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] United Fruit Company 2.0: How #Microsoft is Colonising South America http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/edgi-in-south-american-market/Oct 17 05:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] when the humans have destroyed the world. we will awakenOct 17 05:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "YouTube - zouk machine - maldon" from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPdrGOFXzGAOct 17 06:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Surprisingly, Tcl's switch command feels more capable than the similar C / Java / C++ switch statement.Oct 17 06:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Unsubstantiated Takeover Rumours http://ur1.ca/23c3e Why Microsoft will not manage to grab yet another Internet giantOct 17 06:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[speeddefrost/@speeddefrost] I don't know why this is funny: http://ur1.ca/23c6jOct 17 06:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] O'Reilly is Still in Bed with #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/23c6p O'Reilly empowers Microsoft, which is sadOct 17 06:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] What"s next in air travel? http://xkcd.com/779/Oct 17 07:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crpOct 17 08:27
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*amarsh04 tries mocp for playing audio - lower cpu than even xmms 1.2Oct 17 08:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @bigbrovar !Linux should not be about elitism. It's for the people, by the people. Once we become elitist, we're not better than Stev ...Oct 17 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] I've heard !fedora users talking about their automatic wallpaper changer, here's an article about 5 alternatives !linux http://ur1.ca/235d2Oct 17 08:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @graziano #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crpOct 17 09:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES - Demoscene: Interview with Romeo Knight! http://tinyurl.com/34nn7xd !amiga !demoscene !dtv !redsector !rsi !music !electronicaOct 17 09:05
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amarsh04quoted on the front page of http://www.groklaw.net/ # I think renaming Echelon to Facebook was possibly the most effective re-branding exercise ever. -  Jan Wildeboer, identi.caOct 17 09:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Are you a Computer Geek? Take the test http://richs-lxh.com/are-you-a-geek/Oct 17 09:07
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roy__amarsh04: yes, I saw that yesterdayOct 17 09:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh Another example of a moving wallpaper: http://ur1.ca/fgt3 http://ur1.ca/fgt3Oct 17 09:23
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schestowitzhttp://www.gaj-it.com/25879/microsoft-uses-angry-birds-logo-to-promote-windows-phone-7-without-permission/Oct 17 09:23
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schestowitzI could not be too bothered to do articles about this silly productOct 17 09:24
schestowitzMicrosoft's news is all dried upOct 17 09:24
schestowitzGates has moved on to disrupting other areasOct 17 09:24
nenolodangry birds is such a great gameOct 17 09:25
schestowitzhttp://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30779/Goldman_Sachs_Recommends_Microsoft_Split_Off_Xbox_Business.phpOct 17 09:25
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nenolodit's like crackOct 17 09:25
schestowitzhttp://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=268169Oct 17 09:25
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schestowitznenolod: Android too now..Oct 17 09:25
nenolodschestowitz: yes, i have the android version on my phoneOct 17 09:25
schestowitzI never played it, but I see it in Android sites a lotOct 17 09:25
nenolodschestowitz: it's greatOct 17 09:26
nenolodandroid is going to win the mobile war over iphone and WP7Oct 17 09:26
schestowitzwell, bar lawsuitsOct 17 09:26
nenolodbecause it's out there nowOct 17 09:26
schestowitzit also killed LiMoOct 17 09:26
nenolodthat's a good thingOct 17 09:26
nenolodlimo is crap and closed-sourceOct 17 09:26
schestowitzAri moved from Maemo to WebOS, but it's stilla  struggleOct 17 09:26
schestowitzpeople think they need 100k apps to use a phoneOct 17 09:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] noffice #libreofficeOct 17 09:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave - http://bit.ly/aiwjYc never a dull moment these days #openoffice #libreofficeOct 17 09:27
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schestowitzwasn't limo+lips LSB?Oct 17 09:27
nenolodnoOct 17 09:27
schestowitzThe Emblaze+ELSE thing is all patentsOct 17 09:27
schestowitzThey even sued Microsoft and AppleOct 17 09:27
nenolodmeego is the officially blessed oneOct 17 09:27
schestowitzyesOct 17 09:28
schestowitzLSBOct 17 09:28
nenolodbut android is probably going to winOct 17 09:28
nenolodit's out there nowOct 17 09:28
nenolodWP7 came too lateOct 17 09:28
nenolodyou can get 100x more different kinds of android phones vs 1 iphoneOct 17 09:28
schestowitzthe news is flooded with itOct 17 09:28
schestowitzI just did a slice viewOct 17 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Nice :) I'm trying to find a lightweight !debian compatible non-gnome wallpaper changer for my !openbox desktop.Oct 17 09:28
schestowitz200 clusters of headlines in 3 weeksOct 17 09:28
schestowitzPuff pieces galoreOct 17 09:29
schestowitz$400ml/200=$2mlOct 17 09:29
nenolodWP7 has a lot of interesting design concepts thoughOct 17 09:30
nenolodbut like i saidOct 17 09:30
nenolodthey delivered too lateOct 17 09:30
nenolodand they made the same mistakes apple madeOct 17 09:31
nenolodit's a walled garden, and consumers don't like that - infact, consumers are becoming more and more aware of why software freedom mattersOct 17 09:31
nenolodalthough android isn't really freeOct 17 09:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh I believe this wallpaper uses some XML to change the wallpaper look according to the time. I looked into .deb pkgOct 17 09:32
nenolodvendors lock it down - but - honestly if google went GPLv3 with it, i don't know if anyone would have bought into androidOct 17 09:32
nenolodwe will have to see how meego goesOct 17 09:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Actually, !crunchbang uses Nitrogen. I could just run a timed/cron script to change it randomly.Oct 17 09:37
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roy_http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/224147.aspOct 17 09:38
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schestowitznenolod: it remains to be seen what Elop does with MeeGoOct 17 09:38
schestowitzhttp://techfreqnews.com/?p=571 http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2010-10-11-report-microsoft-to-close-in-game-ads-dept-massiveOct 17 09:39
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schestowitzNokia and Microsoft are shrinkingOct 17 09:39
schestowitzIntel is growing againOct 17 09:39
schestowitzhttp://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=269039Oct 17 09:40
nenolodintel are patent trolls thoughOct 17 09:40
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schestowitznenolod: they are worse than thatOct 17 09:40
schestowitzThey bribe, they attack rivals like OLPC, they funded SCO, etc.Oct 17 09:40
schestowitzBut I don't think they are the real enemy to s/w freedomOct 17 09:41
schestowitzIntel is just selling hardware, it doesn't care so much about DRM and whether s/w as freeOct 17 09:41
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news-story/2010/10/13/microsoft-admits-there-has-been-exceptional-dOct 17 09:42
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schestowitz"Admits"Oct 17 09:42
schestowitzBought siteOct 17 09:42
schestowitzJohn "admits" he is wonderfulOct 17 09:43
amarsh04so why didn't intel buy PowerVR and open up the GMA500 graphics, or drop PowerVR from later chipsetsOct 17 09:43
schestowitzMaybe in some cases, just like GPU makers, the souce code reveals some h/w-s/w interaction they would give awayOct 17 09:44
schestowitzPeople no longer just buy just a ploygon making waferOct 17 09:44
schestowitzAnd I heard from an informant in Intel about some projects they have for making the two sides tighterOct 17 09:45
schestowitzBut it's sort of NDAedOct 17 09:45
amarsh04I'd still like to buy a fully open portable pc - haven't found anyone in .au willing to provide warranty support for the lemote machinesOct 17 09:46
oiaohmamarsh04: Number 1 PowerVR is not up for saleOct 17 09:46
oiaohmSo intel cannot buy them.Oct 17 09:46
schestowitzThey could 'pull an Icahn'Oct 17 09:46
amarsh04some discussion on the state of linux audio at http://www.sintel.org/news/greetings-from-the-audio-trenches/Oct 17 09:46
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schestowitzBut that's Microsoft's repertoireOct 17 09:46
oiaohmOnly option is pull the chain and the question is does PowerVR have a contract for so many video cards.Oct 17 09:47
oiaohmIe intel might be trapped with the PowerVR mistake.Oct 17 09:47
oiaohmBut PowerVR was ment to provide working Linux drivers.Oct 17 09:47
oiaohmSo in theory Intel could walk away from the contract for PowerVR not holding up there end.Oct 17 09:47
amarsh04IOct 17 09:48
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amarsh04I'd like the South Australian government to prove that they're not beholden to microsoft by fixing things that are broken due to reliance on microsoft (like the email system serving the state government)Oct 17 09:49
oiaohmsintel movie caused the audio guy some complexity.  amarsh04Oct 17 09:51
oiaohmThe rule of the movie no closed source programs could be used.  amarsh04Oct 17 09:51
oiaohmNo matter how much you liked them.Oct 17 09:51
oiaohmYes next movie hopefully audio as well.Oct 17 09:55
schestowitzthe comments talk about LinuxOct 17 09:57
schestowitzIt does seem like some FOSS was used for audio too..?Oct 17 09:58
schestowitzhttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshowpics/6640651.cmsOct 17 09:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sony Move, Microsoft Kinect play catch up - Pictures - Pictures/Videos - News in Pictures | Economic Times .::. Size~: 38.92 KBOct 17 09:58
schestowitzEuropean Commission Sues UK Over Phorm :)Oct 17 09:59
schestowitzCan one sell out in presales?  :-)Oct 17 10:01
schestowitzWow. The press is being misguided willingly?Oct 17 10:01
schestowitzThey are selling out what's not even in stock?Oct 17 10:01
schestowitzOr what does not even exist?Oct 17 10:01
schestowitzSilly me, I thought something needs to be sold in order for it to be sold out (over quantity)Oct 17 10:03
schestowitzI wonder how much marketi^H^H money is spent on this Kinect thing...Oct 17 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Duncan McGreggor: Multi-touch and Qt http://goo.gl/XN8pOct 17 10:03
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schestowitzMicrosoft struggles with mobile.. no modularity..Oct 17 10:04
schestowitzhttp://vista.blorge.com/2010/09/30/no-windows-7-tablets-for-a-year-if-ever/Oct 17 10:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Duncan McGreggor: The Growing Linux Multi-touch Community http://goo.gl/78keOct 17 10:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @toros Duncan McGreggor: Multi-touch and Qt http://goo.gl/XN8pOct 17 10:07
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schestowitzThe booster started an account... http://twitter.com/mariusoiagaOct 17 10:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Marius Oiaga (mariusoiaga) on Twitter .::. Size~: 42.28 KBOct 17 10:09
schestowitz:-/Oct 17 10:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @toros Duncan McGreggor: The Growing Linux Multi-touch Community http://goo.gl/78ke > !Linux at the forefront of mobilityOct 17 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @ksaver “YouTube - Pinguy OS”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuQU8YFkG0w !Linux #DistrosOct 17 10:12
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schestowitzIt's been 11 days since the Qt announcement  of new gesture support, and I wanted to blog about it right away... but alas, now will have to do. The folks at Qt have been working on multi-touch support for a while now. They blogged about gestures, multi-touch, Mac support, Windows support, and then at UDS in Brussels (May 2010), they shared their 4.8 plans for multi-touch with the Ubuntu community.Oct 17 10:13
schestowitzUntil recently, there has been no MT stack for Linux. The great news is that the folks at Qt are very interested in getting Qt to work with uTouch. Stephen Bregma has been working on the GEIS API that toolkits will have the option of taking advantage of, and we were delighted to hear from Zeno and Denis that the Qt API they have envisioned and planned is very similar to GEIS, and should make for an excellent match. They are going to beOct 17 10:13
schestowitztalking with the community about this at UDS two weeks from now, in fact :-)Oct 17 10:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz United Fruit Company 2.0: How #Microsoft is Colonising South America http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/edgi-in-south-amer ...Oct 17 10:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Phew ! just got chrome2phone and android2cloud working again on chromium and the !nexusone !android #froyoOct 17 10:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Want to join our first marketing phone conference? Vote when it should take place! http://www.doodle.com/uiidvmmxcp53r4xsOct 17 10:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] I'm at N 44.99137 E 23.11756, travelling from Motru to Târgu-Jiu by car. Hardly any mobile phone connection around here...Oct 17 10:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz O'Reilly is Still in Bed with #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/23c6p O'Reilly empowers Microsoft, which is sadOct 17 10:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Nick Mason on the radio, good quote talking about well known tribute band "They have managed to learn every mistake we ever made"Oct 17 10:28
MinceRgeekingsOct 17 10:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft claims Internet Explorer 9 was downloaded 6m times last month. Doesn't Firefox get that like two days?Oct 17 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: I quite often read your TR posts before there are any comments and miss them,could you do a comments rss or similar service?Oct 17 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dying Internet Explorer Dips Below 50% Global Market Share http://ur1.ca/23dy6 sample set in doubt, but trend mattersOct 17 10:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I've decided to take a glimpse at Microsoft news for the first time in 3 weeks... today cause it's Sunday. Wow. MSFT is off the news chart.Oct 17 10:40
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gnufreexOracle is kicking out LibreOfficers from OOo comunity council  http://developers.slashdot.org/story/10/10/17/0210209/Oracle-Asks-OpenOffice-Community-Members-To-LeaveOct 17 10:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 146.26 KBOct 17 10:41
schestowitzgnufreex: I know since yesterdayOct 17 10:41
schestowitzWe had it in IRCOct 17 10:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Last Week's Top Posts (Week 41, 2010) http://bit.ly/9HpDEkOct 17 10:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Simple Rhythmbox Plugins: Save Cover In Mp3 Metadata, Save Existing Cover in Mp3 Folder And More http://bit.ly/cWJbFSOct 17 10:42
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gnufreexI guess I missed it.Oct 17 10:42
schestowitzMost didOct 17 10:42
schestowitzI got it from libreoffice identica feedsOct 17 10:42
gnufreexIt looks like some bloke said it on IRC, nothing official.Oct 17 10:43
gnufreexThey should play dumb and wait until they get kicked.Oct 17 10:43
schestowitzI knowOct 17 10:43
gnufreexMake Oracle look bad.Oct 17 10:43
schestowitzThat's why I made no post about itOct 17 10:43
schestowitzBut also, it's like OpenSolarisOct 17 10:44
schestowitzOracle plays mind gamesOct 17 10:44
schestowitzMind you:Oct 17 10:44
schestowitzLibreoffice has agendaOct 17 10:44
schestowitzCharles et alOct 17 10:44
schestowitzSo they want to tell the OOo community to leaveOct 17 10:44
schestowitzAnd to join them rather than "evil Oracle"Oct 17 10:44
schestowitzNo official articleOct 17 10:44
schestowitz /. links to some wiki pageOct 17 10:44
schestowitzI couldn't verify muchOct 17 10:45
gnufreexIt is IRC log.Oct 17 10:45
schestowitzi have friends in the OOo communityOct 17 10:45
schestowitzOne of them vanished, another is worriedOct 17 10:45
gnufreexI think Novell is making trouble, I don't trust this LibreOffice thingie.Oct 17 10:45
schestowitzgnufreex: which reminds me, tomorrow when I set up a new router I can catch up with out IRC logs too and published *those8Oct 17 10:46
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schestowitzThe trolls will surely mine them for any comma or oddityOct 17 10:46
schestowitzLooking to throw dirt and feed Techrights with more attention by attacking itOct 17 10:46
gnufreexLet them come :-)Oct 17 10:46
schestowitzThey don't know that the worst one can do is just ignoreOct 17 10:46
lightpriest_just for the heck of it, I tested Acid2 on a pretty old Nokia deviceOct 17 10:46
lightpriest_http://picasaweb.google.com/or.cohen007/InterestingStuff#5528941064741370546Oct 17 10:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Picasa Web Albums - Or Cohen - Interesting S... .::. Size~: 30.79 KBOct 17 10:47
schestowitzSCO ignored GroklawOct 17 10:47
gnufreexI think LibreOffice is just Go-oo renamed.Oct 17 10:47
lightpriest_while it doesn't look that good. it looks a better then winphone7Oct 17 10:47
schestowitzgnufreex: to a degreeOct 17 10:48
schestowitzlightpriest_: the trolls were on it..Oct 17 10:48
schestowitzLiMo trollOct 17 10:48
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lightpriest_what trolls?Oct 17 10:49
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/stonemirror/status/27606013438Oct 17 10:49
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/stonemirror/status/27593069159Oct 17 10:49
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gnufreexWho is LiMo troll? Is that a new one?Oct 17 10:49
Diablo-D3lefty maybe?Oct 17 10:49
gnufreexOh, right.Oct 17 10:49
schestowitzI blocked this troll in identicaOct 17 10:50
schestowitzHe nick-spams meOct 17 10:50
Diablo-D3oh wait, you just linked to david schlesinger aka leftyOct 17 10:50
schestowitzI rarely doOct 17 10:50
schestowitzHe's miserableOct 17 10:50
schestowitzHe just harasses all day long now that he's a trollish bumOct 17 10:51
gnufreexLolOct 17 10:52
gnufreexschestowitz: Did you read ubuntu forums thread I linked yesterday? I wanted to puke affter reading it.Oct 17 10:53
schestowitzhttp://www.slaw.ca/2010/10/15/canadian-copyright-book-released-in-print-and-online/Oct 17 10:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Canadian Copyright Book Released in Print and Online   Slaw  .::. Size~: 68.83 KBOct 17 10:53
gnufreexDidn't see that much M$$$ shilling for long time.Oct 17 10:53
schestowitzgnufreex: i didn't get the chance to descend to the forumsOct 17 10:53
schestowitzgnufreex: it's OK, it means it growOct 17 10:54
schestowitzgnufreex: it's OK, it means it growsOct 17 10:54
schestowitzUbuntu Forums that isOct 17 10:54
schestowitzSo it becomes a vacation place for trollsOct 17 10:54
gnufreexThat is bad. It is like saying MS fourms grow, so it is good.Oct 17 10:54
schestowitzit would be worse if it simply got ignoredOct 17 10:54
gnufreexUF is literaly overtaken by trollsOct 17 10:54
gnufreexThey are not trolls, now Linux peopOct 17 10:54
gnufreexleOct 17 10:54
gnufreexAre trollsOct 17 10:54
schestowitzmany ubuntu users are reforms Windows usersOct 17 10:55
schestowitzToday I got a nice E-mail from someone who moved to Ubuntu with a whole movementOct 17 10:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Brazil Should Lead on Access to Essential Medicines - http://huff.to/c8Ox9z great analysis of drug patents (via @DaHammerstein) #patentsOct 17 10:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: Subscribed and thanks for keeping us all up to date.Oct 17 10:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Robert Naiman: Brazil Should Lead on Access to Essential Medicines .::. Size~: 160.32 KBOct 17 10:55
schestowitzHeard of him through y cousinOct 17 10:55
schestowitzShe's an activistOct 17 10:55
schestowitzgnufreex: but they look for impressionable people on the fence in UFOct 17 10:56
schestowitzTo cause unertaintyOct 17 10:56
schestowitz"Flash didn't work? Why not go back to Windows under Linux is ReadyForTheDesktop(TM)?"Oct 17 10:56
lightpriest_http://twitter.com/#!/orpriest/status/27624393633Oct 17 10:56
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MinceRdoes canonical control UF?Oct 17 11:02
gnufreexDon't know. Maybe.Oct 17 11:02
MinceRperhaps the ubuntu hype should be counteracted and new users should be directed towards other distro(s) -- so that canonical's acquiescence of m$ apologist trolls will have less of an effectOct 17 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rcweir Presentations on #ODF to Braille and ODF to EPub. This portion of the #ODFPlugfest is focusing on converters.Oct 17 11:03
schestowitzMinceR: it doesOct 17 11:03
schestowitzNot Kubuntu-forumsOct 17 11:04
schestowitzAFAIKOct 17 11:04
MinceRperhaps they don't care about bug #1 anymore, only moneyOct 17 11:04
gnufreexI saw some similariries between Shuttleworth's blog posts and some trolls. But maybe it just looks that way.Oct 17 11:04
MinceRpushing mono and bìng seems to point to thatOct 17 11:05
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/leeschlesinger is no longer with sourceforgeOct 17 11:06
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schestowitzLayoffs?Oct 17 11:06
gnufreexI read some ex FSF paid hackers saying they went to Canonical on job inteview, and decided not to take the job.Oct 17 11:06
schestowitzGeeknet I meanOct 17 11:06
schestowitzMinceR: money bugs himOct 17 11:06
oiaohmRealy I hope to get to messing with systemd configuration tools this week.Oct 17 11:06
oiaohmI have a little plan.Oct 17 11:06
oiaohmMy goal if I pull it off is a boot up option will allow the complete system to be reconfigured basically from nothing.Oct 17 11:07
schestowitzhttp://oti.newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_of_cell_phone_plans_and_pricesOct 17 11:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: An International Comparison of Cell Phone Plans and Prices | NewAmerica.net .::. Size~: 59.97 KBOct 17 11:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #WTF ♺ @schestowitz: RT @graziano #Oracle Asks #OpenOffice Community Members To Leave: http://ur1.ca/23crpOct 17 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Case of Saeed Malekpour: Web Developer Jailed Since 2008, facing death penalty for someone using his code http://ur1.ca/23e7vOct 17 11:18
schestowitzgnufreex: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/27558241964 "Yesterday the #FSFE published false claims, saying that licensing patents from 3rd parties is incompatible with all key FOSS licenses #liars"Oct 17 11:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 151.59 KBOct 17 11:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   The Case of Saeed Malekpour: Web Developer Jailed Since 2008 : United4Iran .::. Size~: 49.75 KBOct 17 11:18
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schestowitzThe mobbyists sidle with BSAOct 17 11:19
gnufreexI linked that...Oct 17 11:19
gnufreexHe is so obvious troll... I wonder why LWN don't kick him out.Oct 17 11:20
schestowitzMore Microsoft promotion from the mobbyist: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/27610530831Oct 17 11:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] And now time for cooking a good #risottoOct 17 11:22
gnufreexWho is that nymtshOct 17 11:22
gnufreexNY times?Oct 17 11:22
gnufreexThey are mobbyists?Oct 17 11:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] After having installed #Opera mini and FireFox on my #Desire. Good to have alternatives and all have good features.Oct 17 11:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @tracyrreed I am now a CAcert Assurer. http://cacert.org > the generous man behind !techrights hostingOct 17 11:23
schestowitzNo, the mobbyists RTs thewmOct 17 11:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Welcome to CAcert.org .::. Size~: 18.9 KBOct 17 11:23
schestowitzNo, the mobbyist RTs themOct 17 11:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan Currently looking at android phones now, do you recommend the nexusone or is it missing a feature you'd like?Oct 17 11:27
oiaohmBoy the Oracle boys don't get it with libreoffice.  schestowitzOct 17 11:35
oiaohmRedhat SUSE Debian Ubuntu Fedora.  That I know of have been shipping go-oo labeled as Openoffice for a long time.Oct 17 11:36
oiaohmNow they will ship labeled as libreoffice this is more than a major crack in the OpenOffice world.Oct 17 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] suggestion: a preprint archive for clinical trials - http://bit.ly/c1PviT "should ideally provide the main results as downloadable datasets"Oct 17 11:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: In which I suggest a preprint archive for clinical trials  | Gobbledygook .::. Size~: 38.27 KBOct 17 11:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] rumo a Salvador, BA, para http://www.eticahacker.faced.ufba.br/Oct 17 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] in praise of copying - http://bit.ly/auab5F "I argue that copying is a fundamental part of being"; free PDF of book #copyingOct 17 11:48
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schestowitz[11:36] <oiaohm> Now they will ship labeled as libreoffice this is more than a major crack in the OpenOffice world.Oct 17 12:00
schestowitzNot a big dealOct 17 12:00
schestowitzBut...Oct 17 12:00
schestowitzWhat do they call Writer?Oct 17 12:01
schestowitzAnd Presenter..Oct 17 12:01
schestowitzAren't these also TMs?Oct 17 12:01
Diablo-D3you cant TM simple words like thatOct 17 12:01
schestowitzYou canOct 17 12:01
schestowitzThere's worseOct 17 12:01
gnufreexWindows is trademarkOct 17 12:01
gnufreexOffice tooOct 17 12:02
schestowitzMacOct 17 12:02
gnufreexthat tooOct 17 12:02
gnufreexAnd bobOct 17 12:02
schestowitzHey. I'm BOB!!!Oct 17 12:02
schestowitzBob & Bob to file class action vs MSFT Corp.Oct 17 12:02
gnufreexI think that would happen if Bob made any sucess...Oct 17 12:03
gnufreexI wish it did. It would make a laugh.Oct 17 12:03
gnufreexAll Bobs of the world sue MicrosoftOct 17 12:03
schestowitzhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-and-Oracle-Prepare-Massive-Security-Updates-for-Tuesday-160179.shtmlOct 17 12:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft and Oracle Prepare Massive Security Updates for Tuesday - Softpedia .::. Size~: 46.11 KBOct 17 12:04
schestowitzMicrosoft also owns MikeRoweOct 17 12:04
schestowitzAnd LindowsOct 17 12:04
gnufreexMikeRowe...lolOct 17 12:05
gnufreexI know about LindowsOct 17 12:05
gnufreexThose idiots could invalidate Windows trademarkOct 17 12:05
gnufreexAnd they sold out.Oct 17 12:05
gnufreexFor 20 milionOct 17 12:05
schestowitzWHo would want to fake Windows?Oct 17 12:05
schestowitzIt's a crappy TMOct 17 12:05
Diablo-D3[07:01:28] <gnufreex> Windows is trademarkOct 17 12:06
Diablo-D3noOct 17 12:06
schestowitzThe "Windows" cruiserOct 17 12:06
Diablo-D3Microsoft Windows is.Oct 17 12:06
schestowitzWould you buy it?Oct 17 12:06
gnufreexIt is good for pissing off Microsoft.Oct 17 12:06
MinceRm$ also attacked "Windows Commander"Oct 17 12:06
gnufreexCall your stuff WindblowsOct 17 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Uk I hear 13xdosh lost in tax fraud than benefit fraud, all we hear is benefit fraud, bad. BTW taking responsibility for my own data !fsOct 17 12:08
schestowitzTwitter; "Sorry! You've hit your hourly usage limit. Try again soon."Oct 17 12:10
schestowitzWhat?Oct 17 12:10
schestowitzIs this a new upselling thing/Oct 17 12:10
gnufreexlol, they made hour limit?Oct 17 12:10
schestowitzthey give error pagesOct 17 12:10
schestowitzSo one needs to waitOct 17 12:10
schestowitz"Oct 17 12:11
schestowitzLoading Tweets seems to be taking a while.Oct 17 12:11
schestowitzTwitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.Oct 17 12:11
schestowitz"Oct 17 12:11
schestowitzno problema, I'll ditch themOct 17 12:11
schestowitzI onlt joined twitter after I had joined identica cause some people I know didn't use identicaOct 17 12:12
schestowitzIdentica is ahead in every wayOct 17 12:12
schestowitzhttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-Makes-Hotmail-Password-Recovery-Safer-158346.shtmlOct 17 12:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Makes Hotmail Password Recovery Safer - Softpedia .::. Size~: 45.42 KBOct 17 12:13
schestowitzFor the forgetful typesOct 17 12:13
schestowitz"In Korea, only old people use Hotmail"Oct 17 12:13
schestowitzOnly Seniles buy a ZuneOct 17 12:13
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/good-riddance-oracle-now-can-libreoffice-make-a-difference/39768Oct 17 12:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Good riddance Oracle! Now can LibreOffice make a difference? | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 130.35 KBOct 17 12:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @front243 IE6 simulator that works on !linux http://is.gd/g5oSBOct 17 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Russian tiger summit offers 'last chance' to save species in the wild - http://bit.ly/c6lxO3 say goodbye to an iconic animal #conservationOct 17 12:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ie6 .::. Size~: 1.94 KBOct 17 12:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Russian tiger summit offers 'last chance' to save species in the wild | Environment | The Observer  .::. Size~: 86.13 KBOct 17 12:15
oiaohmWriter and Presenter cannot be modernday TM.   schestowitzOct 17 12:15
schestowitzWhy not?Oct 17 12:15
schestowitzI know they should notOct 17 12:15
schestowitzBut look at existing TMsOct 17 12:15
oiaohmPrior confliting trademarks.Oct 17 12:16
oiaohmSo no one can own them.Oct 17 12:16
oiaohmSame with Calc.Oct 17 12:16
oiaohmBase is also safe.Oct 17 12:16
oiaohmOnly one they have to watch out for is ImpressOct 17 12:17
oiaohmI don't know of any trademark conflits there.Oct 17 12:17
schestowitzhttp://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20019601-263.htmlOct 17 12:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Excel documents not opening after Office update | MacFixIt - CNET Reviews .::. Size~: 76 KBOct 17 12:17
oiaohmBut Impress could be renamed Presenter without major issues.Oct 17 12:18
schestowitzWhat can this be? http://www.marketwatch.com/story/announcement-from-microsoft-office-division-2010-10-15?reflink=MW_news_stmpOct 17 12:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Announcement From Microsoft Office Division - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 63.95 KBOct 17 12:19
schestowitzhttp://www.rttnews.com/Content/TopStories.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1434794Oct 17 12:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Elevates Kurt DelBene As President Of Office Division  .::. Size~: 69.93 KBOct 17 12:20
oiaohmIs that the announcement schestowitz?Oct 17 12:20
schestowitznoOct 17 12:20
schestowitzthat's the thing, they already made a big announcementOct 17 12:20
schestowitzmaybe some hype attemptOct 17 12:21
schestowitzA fog compouting thingOct 17 12:21
schestowitzI notice nowOct 17 12:21
schestowitzIn 3 weeks...Oct 17 12:21
schestowitzOnly 4 headlines with "azure" in themOct 17 12:21
schestowitzThe thing failed badlyOct 17 12:21
schestowitzNo market demandOct 17 12:21
oiaohmCould be another round of facebook intergration or another attack on openoffice.Oct 17 12:21
schestowitzOne exception: http://www.onwindows.com/Articles/Microsoft-Descartes-use-Azure-cloud/5343/Default.aspxOct 17 12:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft, Descartes use Azure cloud | Microsoft News | OnWindows.com .::. Size~: 43.62 KBOct 17 12:21
oiaohmEven that last week facebook was glitching to hell.Oct 17 12:21
oiaohmShocking would be MS Office on android or something out strange.Oct 17 12:22
oiaohmHang on we are missing the announcement.Oct 17 12:22
oiaohmI almost bet it will be a windows mobile 7 MS office intergration demo.Oct 17 12:22
oiaohmThat platform needs saving.Oct 17 12:23
schestowitzAnd this fluff: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/10/12/2302985/microsoft-research-makes-microsoft.htmlOct 17 12:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Research Makes Microsoft Biology Foundation and MODISAzure-Based Environmental Service Available to Scientists and Researchers - KansasCity.com .::. Size~: 85.72 KBOct 17 12:23
schestowitzSounds like the "labs" PROct 17 12:23
schestowitzscientists love FOSSOct 17 12:23
schestowitzoiaohm: yeahOct 17 12:24
schestowitzOffice for TurdMobile7Oct 17 12:24
oiaohmAfter every windows mobile release there has been one.Oct 17 12:24
oiaohmSo far we have not had that demo.Oct 17 12:25
oiaohmYes dating back to 1996Oct 17 12:25
oiaohmIf it don't happen TurdMobile 7 is dead.Oct 17 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Last year Microsoft opened a store. It then opened few more, spreading viral videos. Months ago -> radio silence. http://ur1.ca/23epmOct 17 12:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Microsoft Store&.Epic Fail or the next big tech-thing? — The Gadgeteer .::. Size~: 63.69 KBOct 17 12:27
oiaohmReally I wonder how long before google opens a store.Oct 17 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft -- like Yahoo -- no longer knows what it is. Software, services, hardware, games? It fails at almost all things, exc. cash cows.Oct 17 12:28
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Jellykernelhttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/10/microsoft-posts-video-of-customers-criticizing-openoffice.arsOct 17 12:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice .::. Size~: 31.26 KBOct 17 12:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Poor @timoreilly needs Microsoft to help him make money. http://ur1.ca/23erbOct 17 12:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Now For Sale On Apples iBookstore: Microsoft Press, OReilly Media Books  .::. Size~: 47.31 KBOct 17 12:30
schestowitzhttp://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Open+Source+Code+is+Too+Expensive+Harms+Students+Grades/article19902.htmOct 17 12:31
schestowitzoiaohm:Oct 17 12:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: DailyTech - Microsoft: Open Source Code is Too Expensive, Harms Students' Grades .::. Size~: 558.83 KBOct 17 12:31
schestowitzI bet you saw them allOct 17 12:31
schestowitzI put lots in Daily LinksOct 17 12:31
schestowitzGold mineOct 17 12:31
schestowitzMicrosoft ->open sourceOct 17 12:31
oiaohmYes I saw that.  schestowitzOct 17 12:32
oiaohmI was asking if mabye some time should techrights run a competition for a open source marketing videos.Oct 17 12:32
schestowitzI hate marketingOct 17 12:33
oiaohmMicrosoft has choosen Youtube a costless site at the battle ground.Oct 17 12:33
schestowitzWhen I see nice videos I make Ogg and postOct 17 12:33
schestowitzBut I produce no adsOct 17 12:33
schestowitzoiaohm: since years agoOct 17 12:33
schestowitzNovell does tooOct 17 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microoft loves open source http://ur1.ca/23esl Wait, WHAT?Oct 17 12:33
schestowitzSoapbox is deadOct 17 12:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: DailyTech - Microsoft: Open Source Code is Too Expensive, Harms Students' Grades .::. Size~: 558.76 KBOct 17 12:33
schestowitzhttp://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/student-journalist-openly-rebuffed-by-steve-jobs-wins-microsoft-20101015/Oct 17 12:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Student journalist openly rebuffed by Steve Jobs wins Microsoft Twitter contest – Cell Phones & Mobile Device Technology News & Updates | Geek.com .::. Size~: 58.19 KBOct 17 12:35
schestowitzhttp://gigaom.com/2010/10/12/linux-starts-to-eat-microsofts-lunch-in-servers/Oct 17 12:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux Starts to Eat Microsofts Lunch in Servers: Tech News « .::. Size~: 68.21 KBOct 17 12:36
oiaohmThat will get worseOct 17 12:36
oiaohmWay worse.Oct 17 12:36
oiaohmSamba has not release ADS support yet and openchange has not released exchange emulation yet.Oct 17 12:38
schestowitznenolod: http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101006005914/en/Wipro-Partners-Citrix-Microsoft-Deliver-Desktop-ServiceOct 17 12:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Wipro Partners with Citrix and Microsoft to Deliver Desktop as a Service Solution | Business Wire .::. Size~: 74.84 KBOct 17 12:38
schestowitzWipro is a Microsoft ally tooOct 17 12:38
oiaohmYes.  But its also reducing licensing costs.Oct 17 12:39
schestowitzoiaohm: Likewise fights SambaOct 17 12:39
oiaohmSo reducing MS income.Oct 17 12:39
schestowitzAdding Microsoft patent tax to itOct 17 12:39
schestowitzLike Android taxOct 17 12:39
oiaohmLikewise does not provide ADS server.Oct 17 12:39
oiaohminstead just provides ADS intergration.Oct 17 12:39
schestowitz"The Wipro DaaS solution is based on Citrix XenDesktop® and leverages Citrix FlexCast™ delivery technology to provide multiple types of virtual desktops – hosted or local, physical or virtual – each specifically tailored to meet the performance, security and flexibility requirements of each individual user. "Oct 17 12:39
oiaohmYes likewise produces can link to a Samba 4 ADS server.Oct 17 12:40
schestowitzNo LinuxOct 17 12:40
nenolodschestowitz: when citrix bought xen they renamed all their shit to XenThis, XenThatOct 17 12:40
schestowitzI knowOct 17 12:40
Diablo-D3XenVibratorOct 17 12:40
nenolodschestowitz: that's just the old citrix metaframe crapOct 17 12:40
schestowitzThey still do thin Windows clientsOct 17 12:40
Diablo-D3for all your being fucked in the ass by microsoft needsOct 17 12:40
schestowitzor remote accessOct 17 12:40
nenolodDiablo-D3: your virtual machine is Xen, you knowOct 17 12:41
nenolodand well, KVM simply doesn't scaleOct 17 12:41
nenolodoh well, i tried itOct 17 12:41
Diablo-D3nenolod: I just hate citrixOct 17 12:41
MinceRcitrix should buy xenix, then they could release it as XenIxOct 17 12:41
Diablo-D3MinceR: FFFFFFFOct 17 12:41
schestowitzCitrix should try to service Linux moreOct 17 12:41
schestowitzIt gave up, I thinkOct 17 12:41
schestowitzRed Hat put KVM in Linux ~2.6.34Oct 17 12:41
Diablo-D3schestowitz: Citrix is Microsoft.Oct 17 12:41
nenolodschestowitz: .24Oct 17 12:42
nenolodschestowitz: KVM is garbage thoughOct 17 12:42
schestowitz.24 was ages agoOct 17 12:42
nenolod 04:41:45 up 145 days, 11:43,  1 user,  load average: 18.65, 18.20, 17.76Oct 17 12:42
oiaohmnenolod: KVM not scale what is the issue.Oct 17 12:42
nenolod^ kvm boxOct 17 12:42
schestowitztechrights run on a xen instanceOct 17 12:42
nenolodit's called "QEMU is crap"Oct 17 12:42
schestowitzFor now..Oct 17 12:42
schestowitzThe new centos is all kvmOct 17 12:43
nenolodxen itself isn't the problemOct 17 12:43
nenolodjust stay away from citrix xenOct 17 12:43
nenolodand you're goodOct 17 12:43
schestowitzhad uptime of 100+ days till last weekOct 17 12:43
nenolodyes, that's because redhat has put their money on kvmOct 17 12:43
nenolodwhich is crazyOct 17 12:43
MinceRis anyone other than citrix maintaining a fork of it?Oct 17 12:43
schestowitzThe hard-drive needed replacingOct 17 12:43
MinceRxen, that isOct 17 12:43
oiaohmI have not had a problem with KVM scaling.  nenolodOct 17 12:43
Diablo-D3oiaohm: you dont have like 100 thousand customers like neno doesOct 17 12:43
nenolodoiaohm: that box has 20 VMs running on it.Oct 17 12:44
schestowitzXen was a FOSS success story in 2006/7Oct 17 12:44
nenolodoiaohm: it has less VMs than it has cores available.Oct 17 12:44
schestowitzIt was too goodOct 17 12:44
schestowitzMicrosoft had to have itOct 17 12:44
nenolodmicrosoft does not have itOct 17 12:44
schestowitzThen there were rumours about Microsoft buying itOct 17 12:44
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/67126Oct 17 12:45
oiaohmI have had upto 30 on a box.  nenolodOct 17 12:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft, Citrix and Wipro partner to outsource virtual desktops | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 95.84 KBOct 17 12:45
schestowitz"Oct 17 12:45
schestowitz Back to Microsoft SubnetOct 17 12:45
schestowitzThe Microsoft UpdateOct 17 12:45
schestowitzby Julie BortOct 17 12:45
schestowitz"Oct 17 12:45
nenoloddon't careOct 17 12:45
oiaohmThere are a few things but.  Number 1 not running windows in there at all  nenolodOct 17 12:45
schestowitz"Julie Bort is the editor of Microsoft Subnet and Network World's Online Community Editor."Oct 17 12:45
schestowitz"She also writes the [Pseudo-]Open Source Subnet blog"Oct 17 12:46
schestowitz"we in FOSS should leave Mirosoft alone etc etc"Oct 17 12:46
nenolodif an actual microsoft takeover of xen happens, then i will fork itOct 17 12:46
nenoloduntil thenOct 17 12:46
nenolodseriously. don't. care.Oct 17 12:46
nenolodwe have measures in effect for such a scenario - we already have our own tree of xen that we work off internally.Oct 17 12:47
Diablo-D3its called nenohatescitrixOct 17 12:47
nenolodi have a lot more important things to worry about, like feeding my familyOct 17 12:47
Diablo-D3nenolod: you know, its absurd, like, eventually my entire desktop will be your shitOct 17 12:48
Diablo-D3like, I use neno media playerOct 17 12:48
Diablo-D3and Ill eventually switch to neno linux distroOct 17 12:48
schestowitzhttp://www.sdtimes.com/link/34803Oct 17 12:48
nenolodafter all, the war on freedom is something we let schestowitz & lefty duke it out overOct 17 12:48
schestowitz"Rob Enderle, principal analyst at The Enderle Group..."Oct 17 12:48
schestowitzLOLOct 17 12:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft and Adobe: Better as partners - SD Times: Software Development News .::. Size~: 126.06 KBOct 17 12:48
nenolod<3Oct 17 12:48
MinceRlol @ leftyOct 17 12:49
Diablo-D3schestowitz: lol whatOct 17 12:49
Diablo-D3also, why is lefty even aliveOct 17 12:49
nenolodMicrosoft and AdobeOct 17 12:49
nenolodyeah actuallyOct 17 12:49
MinceRDiablo-D3: good questionOct 17 12:49
nenolodthat works pretty wellOct 17 12:49
oiaohmOk own tree of xen explains something nenolod.  I have not found stock xen much better than kvm in a lot of ways.Oct 17 12:49
nenolodseeing as flash is a pile of assOct 17 12:49
schestowitzRob Enderle, principal analyst of a one-man group called after himself....Oct 17 12:49
Diablo-D3nenolod: its retardedOct 17 12:49
Diablo-D3because photoshop on windows STILL leaks memoryOct 17 12:49
Diablo-D3on osx it doesntOct 17 12:49
Diablo-D3and on osx it runs a fair bit faster tooOct 17 12:49
Diablo-D3photoshop on windows didnt even exist until like version 3 or 4Oct 17 12:50
oiaohmMost likely you have the bugs in xen that annoy me fixed.  nenolodOct 17 12:50
MinceRwell, if m$ bought adobe, they could make it leak on osx, tooOct 17 12:50
nenolodoiaohm: KVM works great as long as your goal is to do HVM.Oct 17 12:50
Diablo-D3MinceR: huuurRRrrrRRRrrRRrrrRrrrRRrrRRROct 17 12:50
nenolodoiaohm: i only do PV domains with xenOct 17 12:50
nenolodHVM is a giant waste of time thereOct 17 12:50
nenolodinfact, we removed the codeOct 17 12:50
schestowitzMinceR: they an go #2 on it while they're at itOct 17 12:50
schestowitz /an/can/Oct 17 12:50
MinceR:>Oct 17 12:50
nenolodinfact, i removed HVM code and stability went up by an order of magnitudeOct 17 12:50
oiaohmYep I am more doing HVM assisted.Oct 17 12:51
schestowitzhttp://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/msft_radvision-partners-with-microsoft-1232409.htmlOct 17 12:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Radvision Partners with Microsoft  | TradingMarkets.com  .::. Size~: 27.66 KBOct 17 12:51
nenolodKVM is a lot better for thatOct 17 12:51
oiaohmAnd xen HVM code is what you kinda call a dog breakfast.Oct 17 12:51
nenolodbut until there's a replacement to Xen PVOct 17 12:52
nenolodi'm not interested :pOct 17 12:52
schestowitzMicrosoft is losing in UC, IPTV, streaming... CDN..Oct 17 12:52
oiaohmOk at least I understand where we are different now.  nenolodOct 17 12:52
Diablo-D3schestowitz: not trueOct 17 12:52
nenolodschestowitz: yeah. AT&T was Microsoft's biggest IPTV client.Oct 17 12:52
Diablo-D3I heard xbox is getting netflix nowOct 17 12:52
Diablo-D3dohohohohohoOct 17 12:52
nenolodschestowitz: they've switched to h264Oct 17 12:52
Diablo-D3(after everything does netflix)Oct 17 12:52
Diablo-D3ps3... wii.... computers.... stand alone devices.... TVs... bluray players....Oct 17 12:53
schestowitznetflix=MSOct 17 12:53
schestowitzvirtuallyOct 17 12:53
nenolodnetflix is a lot more useful than MSOct 17 12:53
schestowitzMicrosoft execsOct 17 12:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to the Pestalozzischule for a day of BUSC rehearsals. #RichardOct 17 12:53
schestowitzSo Silver LieOct 17 12:53
nenolodone has porn on demandOct 17 12:53
nenolodthe other does notOct 17 12:53
oiaohmXen PV map up is Lguest but it needs more work.  nenolodOct 17 12:54
nenolodjust sayin'Oct 17 12:54
nenolodoiaohm: BZZTOct 17 12:54
schestowitz <nenolod> netflix is a lot more useful than MS  > sure, I exaggeratedOct 17 12:54
nenolodoiaohm: Xen PV maps up to Lguest in a world where LINUX is the only OS anyone would want to runOct 17 12:54
Diablo-D3schestowitz: yes, but if all these so called microsoft guys work at netflixOct 17 12:54
nenolodoiaohm: there's Plan9, NetBSD, FreeBSD xen vms running on my infrastructureOct 17 12:54
Diablo-D3why the fuck is xbox the LAST platform to get netfliOct 17 12:54
Diablo-D3*flixOct 17 12:54
Diablo-D3its also the shittiestOct 17 12:55
nenolodoiaohm: i think there's some opensolaris in there tooOct 17 12:55
nenolodbut i'd have to go lookOct 17 12:55
Diablo-D3google's browser in a box for TVs does netflix betterOct 17 12:55
nenolodi dunnoOct 17 12:55
nenolodi like my xbox360Oct 17 12:55
nenolodit's like one of the few things MS got right in this decadeOct 17 12:55
MinceRgot your RRoD yet? :>Oct 17 12:55
nenolodyeahOct 17 12:55
Diablo-D3hello RRoD?Oct 17 12:55
Diablo-D3the fuckers are shitOct 17 12:55
MinceRif an over 50% hw failure rate is "getting it right" then i don't want to own stuff anyone "got right" :>Oct 17 12:55
Diablo-D3they died faster than the first gen fat PS2sOct 17 12:56
nenolodDiablo-D3: the 45nm process ones don't do that anymoreOct 17 12:56
nenolodfor what it is worthOct 17 12:56
Diablo-D3nenolod: yes, but microsoft is fucking retardedOct 17 12:56
Diablo-D3they should have waited a year and got it rightOct 17 12:56
nenolodMinceR: i'm talking UX-wiseOct 17 12:56
nenolodMinceR: stuff has warrantiesOct 17 12:56
Diablo-D3whats with all this rushing to market shitOct 17 12:56
Diablo-D3like, look at that new final fantasy gameOct 17 12:56
nenolodMinceR: with everything being made in China now (well, if you live in the US)Oct 17 12:56
Diablo-D3apparently, its not even FINISHEDOct 17 12:56
Diablo-D3it doesnt even WORKOct 17 12:56
Diablo-D3and they're selling itOct 17 12:56
Diablo-D3thats like, fucking EA tactics right thereOct 17 12:56
nenolodDiablo-D3: it's an MMO.  that's how MMOs work.Oct 17 12:56
Diablo-D3Im pretty sure on launch day, WoW worked.Oct 17 12:57
nenolodDiablo-D3: WoW worked, but didn't have everything completedOct 17 12:57
nenolodit was "playable"Oct 17 12:57
schestowitzhttp://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30779/Goldman_Sachs_Recommends_Microsoft_Split_Off_Xbox_Business.phpOct 17 12:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gamasutra - News - Goldman Sachs Recommends Microsoft Split Off Xbox Business .::. Size~: 153.53 KBOct 17 12:57
nenolodthe idea is, you get enough of it playableOct 17 12:57
nenolodthen you push it to marketOct 17 12:57
nenolodand finish up the rest of the mapOct 17 12:57
nenolodschestowitz: yeah i would think spinning it off would be a good thingOct 17 12:58
schestowitzhttp://blogs.forbes.com/victoriabarret/2010/10/05/goldman-to-microsoft-do-something/?boxes=HomepagechannelsOct 17 12:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Goldman to Microsoft: Do Something - Victoria Barret - Upside Potential - Forbes .::. Size~: 83.16 KBOct 17 12:58
Diablo-D3nenolod: Im not saying they need all the content doneOct 17 12:58
Diablo-D3which is impossible, the content is NEVER doneOct 17 12:58
Diablo-D3the new FF mmo doesnt even _function_Oct 17 12:58
nenolodmicrosoft should spin off BingOct 17 12:58
Diablo-D3into what... Yahoo?Oct 17 12:58
nenolodyeahOct 17 12:58
MinceRm$ should close shop so they don't die the slow wayOct 17 12:59
nenolodthe problem with microsoft is that there is a culture there of micro managementOct 17 12:59
nenolodxbox was actually initially a skunkworks thingOct 17 12:59
oiaohmnenolod: lguest support does not end at linux.  Freebsd and plan9 do have versions.   The one part I wish was moved to lguest is kvm xenloader it really don't make sence there.Oct 17 12:59
Diablo-D3so basically... Yahoo licenses their engine to Microsoft.... and then ... Microsoft hands it back to Yahoo?Oct 17 12:59
Diablo-D3I HEART MICROSOFTOct 17 12:59
Diablo-D3seriouslyOct 17 12:59
Diablo-D3I wish someday I can mismanage a company that hardOct 17 12:59
nenolodoiaohm: [citation needed]Oct 17 12:59
MinceRlolOct 17 12:59
Diablo-D3thats some pretty funny shit right thereOct 17 12:59
nenolod$ grep lguest /usr/src/sys/* | wc -lOct 17 13:00
nenolod0Oct 17 13:00
*Jellykernel has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)Oct 17 13:01
schestowitzMinceR: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/549320/201010041835/Apple-Now-Targeted-For-Success-Like-Microsoft-Was-In-The-1990s.aspxOct 17 13:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple Now Targeted For Success Like Microsoft Was In The 1990s - IBD - Investors.com .::. Size~: 129.16 KBOct 17 13:04
schestowitzLesson: if people are criticized, it's always due to jealousyOct 17 13:05
schestowitzBrought to you by... INVETORS.COMOct 17 13:05
schestowitz*INVESTORS.COMOct 17 13:05
nenolodsometimes that is the case, not with the iphone thoughOct 17 13:05
nenolodthe iphone is weakOct 17 13:05
schestowitz"Don't listen to them, they just hatin'!"Oct 17 13:05
oiaohmnenolod: do you read french?  For some reason I am only finding 2009 instructions to use plan 9 on lguest in french.Oct 17 13:06
schestowitz"The homeless choose to be homeless"Oct 17 13:06
schestowitz"The jobless are lazy"Oct 17 13:06
nenolodandroid is shite, but it's already won because of market penetrationOct 17 13:06
oiaohmOr what looks like french to me.Oct 17 13:06
nenolodit's the "least bad"Oct 17 13:06
nenolodoiaohm: yeahOct 17 13:06
nenolodoiaohm: i found plan9Oct 17 13:06
nenolodoiaohm: freebsd is a bit more importantOct 17 13:06
schestowitz"The economy is tanking cause of the unemployed" [not Wall Street speculators]Oct 17 13:06
schestowitzAndroid can make phone callsOct 17 13:07
Diablo-D3the economy isnt tankingOct 17 13:07
schestowitzI guess that's enoughOct 17 13:07
Diablo-D3and it never didOct 17 13:07
Diablo-D3it just properly repriced assetsOct 17 13:07
MinceRschestowitz: lolOct 17 13:07
nenolodschestowitz: so can the iphone*Oct 17 13:07
nenolod* provided you hold it the right wayOct 17 13:07
Diablo-D3nenolod: :DOct 17 13:07
schestowitzThat tooOct 17 13:07
nenolodmanOct 17 13:07
schestowitzhypePhone is not for callsOct 17 13:07
MinceRwell, m$ has an idea about what caused the hypePhone to be successful, and they're trying it outOct 17 13:07
nenolodi switched from Cox to AT&TOct 17 13:07
MinceRso far, kin floppedOct 17 13:07
nenolodi called them upOct 17 13:07
schestowitzit's to tell your friends you're betterOct 17 13:08
nenolodthey offered to buy out my vzw contractOct 17 13:08
schestowitzIt also does other thingOct 17 13:08
nenolodand give me an iphone 4 for freeOct 17 13:08
schestowitzLike fart apps and stuffOct 17 13:08
nenolodi'm like "nah, i'll keep my blackberry curve"Oct 17 13:08
nenolodthe guy was like, "why?!"Oct 17 13:08
schestowitzFor farting while you talk to your boyfriendOct 17 13:08
nenolod"well, unlike this new stuff, the curve just works"Oct 17 13:08
nenolodsoftware freedom + doesn't work is not really too useful for meOct 17 13:09
nenolodotherwise i guess i would be enthusiastic about androidOct 17 13:09
nenolodbut like, i need an actually working email clientOct 17 13:09
nenolodand android has yet to deliver on anything that is usableOct 17 13:09
schestowitzgmailOct 17 13:10
schestowitzfog...Oct 17 13:10
nenolodseriously, if your email client can't let you edit the entire email replyOct 17 13:10
nenolodit sucksOct 17 13:10
nenolodnoOct 17 13:10
schestowitzadsOct 17 13:10
schestowitzgmail=adsOct 17 13:10
nenolodgmail is bad for  2 reasons:Oct 17 13:10
schestowitzOne-billion dollar marketOct 17 13:10
schestowitzSays Schmidt right nowOct 17 13:10
nenolod(1) you have to outsource to the google cloudOct 17 13:10
nenolod(2) forced top posting in the gmail appOct 17 13:10
schestowitzIt also sends ads inside the msgsOct 17 13:10
nenolodok, that's a third reasonOct 17 13:11
nenolodyou know one great thing about bb is: no adsOct 17 13:11
nenolodyeah it's closed sourceOct 17 13:11
nenolodbutOct 17 13:11
schestowitzwhen do we get 'free' SMTP server from GOOG?Oct 17 13:11
nenolodit has 2 great things going for itOct 17 13:11
nenolod(1) it worksOct 17 13:11
nenolod(2) no stupid ads all over the placeOct 17 13:11
schestowitzThey already do DNS and link shortenersOct 17 13:11
schestowitzSMTP gives them more surveillance, 'free' of chargeOct 17 13:12
MinceRi thought their SMTP already workedOct 17 13:12
nenolodanywayOct 17 13:12
MinceR(though they store everything you send, forever)Oct 17 13:12
schestowitzwith loginOct 17 13:12
nenolodthe android email app sucksOct 17 13:12
schestowitzMaybeOct 17 13:12
MinceRyes, with loginOct 17 13:12
MinceRglobal smtp without login would be spam heavenOct 17 13:12
nenolodit presents an email reply likeOct 17 13:12
nenolod[your reply here]Oct 17 13:12
nenolodQuoted text: [X]Oct 17 13:12
nenolod[immutable email that you're replying to here]Oct 17 13:13
nenolod[send!!!!]Oct 17 13:13
schestowitzGoogle could set limits on SMTP usageOct 17 13:13
schestowitzOr blacklist spammersOct 17 13:13
nenolodthis really sucks as far as a UI goesOct 17 13:13
nenolodi mean, it really sucksOct 17 13:13
nenolodschestowitz: i used to do the whole anti-spam thing.  it's a losing battleOct 17 13:13
MinceRthey must have used outlook too muchOct 17 13:13
schestowitzthen there's phoneOct 17 13:14
nenolodi mean the android UX is so bad it sends me back to my bb curve every time for emailOct 17 13:14
schestowitzmailrouter.man.ac.uk not subjected to itOct 17 13:14
schestowitzBut how about BT or Virgin?Oct 17 13:14
schestowitzThey would let Phorm have any port they wantOct 17 13:14
schestowitzThey make money from selling personal data of their clientsOct 17 13:14
nenolodugh phormOct 17 13:14
nenolodi remember that whole thing when i was living in walesOct 17 13:15
schestowitzThen they brag about low pricesOct 17 13:15
schestowitzTalkTalk tooOct 17 13:15
nenolodi was likeOct 17 13:15
nenolod"haha, jokes on you assholes, i use eclipse"Oct 17 13:15
nenolodthen i found outOct 17 13:15
nenolod"eclipse is signing on to phorm"Oct 17 13:15
nenolodand i was like "owned. :<"Oct 17 13:15
oiaohmReally MinceR a know spammer feeding into a open smtp server that does not pass on the email but adds them to spam filter and filters rest of emial against is quite effective.Oct 17 13:15
MinceRoiaohm: that's an entirely different application :>Oct 17 13:16
nenolodoiaohm: that's called honeypotsOct 17 13:16
oiaohmExactly.Oct 17 13:16
nenolodmail blacklisting results in crap like SORBS thoughOct 17 13:16
MinceRoiaohm: legitimate users would still need to log inOct 17 13:16
oiaohmNo reason why google could not use there smtp as a honey pot.Oct 17 13:16
nenolodSORBS is obnoxiousOct 17 13:16
nenolodSORBS blacklisted my space because it looked like:Oct 17 13:17
nenolodip-67-202-104-180.chi2.systeminplace.netOct 17 13:17
nenolodinstead of:Oct 17 13:17
nenolodip-67-202-104-180.static.chi2.systeminplace.netOct 17 13:17
MinceRlolOct 17 13:17
nenolodthey were likeOct 17 13:17
nenolodWE COULDNT TELL IF IT WAS DYNAMIC OR NOTOct 17 13:17
Diablo-D3nenolod: DYNAMIC IPS ON VPSESOct 17 13:17
MinceRsomeone should manage a dynamic IP range with that ".static." elementOct 17 13:18
nenolodMinceR: yes it is stupidOct 17 13:18
nenolodthey are likeOct 17 13:18
nenolodyou should use .static. for static ipsOct 17 13:19
nenolodand .dhcp. for dhcp ipsOct 17 13:19
nenolodand .ppp. for ppp ipsOct 17 13:19
oiaohmHopefully when IPV6 eventionlly gets on Line.  People paying static will not end up with old abused dynamic addressesOct 17 13:19
Diablo-D3it IS online, douchenutsOct 17 13:19
schestowitzsheeshOct 17 13:19
schestowitzlanguage!Oct 17 13:19
oiaohmAround here its not.  Diablo-D3Oct 17 13:19
nenolodoiaohm: i have 7 IPv6 bgp sessions up right now - pretty sure it's onlineOct 17 13:19
Diablo-D3oiaohm: the internet's major core routers route ipv6 natively.Oct 17 13:19
Diablo-D3so FUD elsewhere kthxOct 17 13:19
nenolodDiablo-D3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0Oct 17 13:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] When eating is an act of defiance - http://bit.ly/bggnrZ why Vincenzo Conticello is a hero #sicilyOct 17 13:20
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oiaohmI was refering to here.  Diablo-D3 Currently none of my local ISP offer IPV6 addresses.Oct 17 13:20
Diablo-D3so your local ISPs are incompatible with the Internet.Oct 17 13:21
Diablo-D3okay.Oct 17 13:21
nenolodcox kept promising ipv6Oct 17 13:21
nenolodit never happenedOct 17 13:21
gnufreex[13:42:53] <MinceR> is anyone other than citrix maintaining a fork of it?Oct 17 13:21
gnufreexOracle VM is fork of XenOct 17 13:21
*MinceR suspects that's not what nenolod is tracking :>Oct 17 13:22
nenolodoracle vm is a fork of xen yesOct 17 13:22
schestowitzgnufreex: virtualironOct 17 13:22
nenolodit's also a giant pile of crapOct 17 13:22
nenolodvirtualiron is a fork of xen's hvm code onlyOct 17 13:22
nenolodit's probably a lot better than xen's hvm code thoughOct 17 13:22
nenolodVI used to be pretty good in the old daysOct 17 13:23
gnufreexschestowitz: No, it predates Virtual Iron. Virtual Iron is dead, Oracle bought it to kill it.Oct 17 13:23
nenolodno, VI is pretty oldOct 17 13:23
Diablo-D3nenolod: also, ffff musicOct 17 13:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] question: anyone know of any active project for open access UK post code data? code<->street. OS released code->lat/long?Oct 17 13:23
nenolodVI is from 2002Oct 17 13:23
nenolodit competed with vmware ESXOct 17 13:24
nenolodvmware ESX really sucks thoughOct 17 13:24
gnufreexnenolod: Oracle bought them last year and killed everything.Oct 17 13:24
oiaohmThere are still very large sections of the gobal map that have not updated to support IPV6 yet.  My area is 2 years off.   Same time they lay fiber to homes.Oct 17 13:24
*schestowitz thought VI editorOct 17 13:24
nenolodgnufreex: bummerOct 17 13:24
MinceRlolOct 17 13:24
MinceRschestowitz: that's vi, not VIOct 17 13:24
nenolodgnufreex: oracle VM sucks anyhowOct 17 13:24
schestowitz[13:23] <nenolod> no, VI is pretty oldOct 17 13:25
schestowitzThat's where I was confusedOct 17 13:25
nenolodyeah i was referring to the fact that virtualiron was around before xenOct 17 13:25
Diablo-D3god used vi to write the lisp the universe is written inOct 17 13:25
nenolodif onlyOct 17 13:26
Diablo-D3wait, maybe he used emacsOct 17 13:26
*Diablo-D3 holds up a picture of God, and a picture of RMSOct 17 13:26
Diablo-D3you know, God has gained a few poundsOct 17 13:26
nenolodi bought a lisp machine at a garage sale like 10 years agoOct 17 13:26
nenolodit is awesomeOct 17 13:26
nenolodamiga and lisp machines are actually quite similar conceptuallyOct 17 13:27
nenolodi mean look at ARexxOct 17 13:27
Diablo-D3nothxOct 17 13:27
nenolodwhy doesn't FOSS still have this shitOct 17 13:27
nenolodstill not*Oct 17 13:27
MinceRDiablo-D3: no, he mostly hacked it up in Perl.Oct 17 13:27
nenolodwhy does FOSS still not have this stuffOct 17 13:27
nenolodratherOct 17 13:27
Diablo-D3nenolod: because faggots lurv pythonOct 17 13:28
nenolodeven windows has it with OLE/ActiveXOct 17 13:28
MinceRlol wutOct 17 13:28
gnufreexI wanted to learn Lisp, but couldn't find time to tinker... and it is of no use today.Oct 17 13:28
gnufreexMaybe I learn ClojureOct 17 13:28
gnufreexIs it any good?Oct 17 13:28
Diablo-D3learn java you moronOct 17 13:28
nenolodthe lack of first-class IPC in FOSS is depressingOct 17 13:29
gnufreexI know Java alreadyOct 17 13:29
Diablo-D3then you know all the languages you'll ever need to knowOct 17 13:29
MinceRlolOct 17 13:29
gnufreexnenolod: IPC ?Oct 17 13:29
nenolodlike, i mean dbus is horribleOct 17 13:29
nenoloddbus's functionality is something that should be in the kernelOct 17 13:30
nenolodyou should be able to doOct 17 13:30
gnufreexMach has great stuf... lolOct 17 13:30
gnufreexIt hurts my brainsOct 17 13:30
nenolodpid_t pid = 27348; ipchandle *ih = ipc_open(27348, DIR_REQ, PORT_MOO);Oct 17 13:30
oiaohmThere is a developers looking at moving dbus to kernel.  nenolodOct 17 13:31
nenolodih->send(&(port_moo_req_t){.cows = "go moo!!!!"}, sizeof(port_moo_req_t));Oct 17 13:31
nenolodbut we can'tOct 17 13:31
Diablo-D3thats rather disgusting codeOct 17 13:31
nenolodmind, you can do this on a system from 1985Oct 17 13:31
nenolodbut we can't do it hereOct 17 13:31
Diablo-D3nenolod: so, I hate myself nowOct 17 13:32
Diablo-D3I finally broke down and wrote an obj parserOct 17 13:32
nenolodDiablo-D3: i do not care about JavaOct 17 13:32
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Diablo-D3no, wavefront objs.Oct 17 13:32
Diablo-D3as in, the world's worst 3D formatOct 17 13:32
nenolodactuallyOct 17 13:32
nenolod&(type){member-decls} is a neat C99-ismOct 17 13:33
Diablo-D3its disgustingOct 17 13:33
nenolodyeah, but it's oh so usefulOct 17 13:33
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gnufreex[14:34:35] <nenolod> then Ximian came along, stole all our code ported it to GLib and it was "game over, man"Oct 17 13:36
gnufreexSo Mono compiler is based on .GNU one?Oct 17 13:36
nenolodat one time it wasOct 17 13:36
Diablo-D3gnufreex: dont do thatOct 17 13:36
nenolodi think they rewrote it in C#Oct 17 13:36
Diablo-D3its dotGNUOct 17 13:36
nenolodi don't really careOct 17 13:36
Diablo-D3gnu is not a top level domainOct 17 13:36
nenolodthe dotGNU guys and the Mono guys used to sit there trolling each other on IRCOct 17 13:36
gnufreexHahaOct 17 13:37
Diablo-D3I can see thatOct 17 13:37
nenolodi didn't have anything to do with it!!Oct 17 13:37
Diablo-D3<dotGNU guys> Release... the Kraken!Oct 17 13:37
Diablo-D3<RMS> AARRWOOOOOOOOOct 17 13:37
gnufreexI figure now why Mono compiler is GPL. Practicaly all parts of Mono are MIT X11 now.Oct 17 13:37
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Diablo-D3<deIcaza> ARGH! GET IT OFF! GET IT OFF! AAAAAARGHOct 17 13:38
nenolodi can't stand miguelOct 17 13:38
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nenolodbut i have personal reasonsOct 17 13:38
Diablo-D3miguel is such a fucking dickwadOct 17 13:38
nenolodmainly that mono ripped off my hard work and even removed copyright noticesOct 17 13:38
Diablo-D3nenolod: suesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesuesueOct 17 13:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] my co.cc seems to be down. Reverting temporarily to the Wordpress subdomain in my profile again.Oct 17 13:38
nenolodDiablo-D3: so not worth itOct 17 13:39
gnufreexnenolod: You could sue them, that is DMCA violationOct 17 13:39
nenolodDiablo-D3: they rewrote the infringing parts anywayOct 17 13:39
nenolodmiguel was banned in #dotgnuOct 17 13:40
nenolodhe was that popular!Oct 17 13:40
nenolodanyway, all old news anywayOct 17 13:40
Diablo-D3Im banned in #monoOct 17 13:40
nenolodmono put out mono 1.0 and by that point dotGNU was 100% deadOct 17 13:40
*Diablo-D3 is that popular.Oct 17 13:40
nenoloddotGNU came along for the same reason WINE existsOct 17 13:41
nenolodanywhoOct 17 13:41
nenolodnew Foo(){ ... } is also valid in JavaOct 17 13:42
nenolodi'm pretty sureOct 17 13:42
nenolodthe C++ equivilant is ummOct 17 13:42
nenolodFoo()::Foo(int iMoo, int iBar, int iBaz) : moo(iMoo), bar(iBar), baz(iBaz) {};Oct 17 13:43
nenolodthen you just pass it to the constructorOct 17 13:43
nenolodwhich is weakOct 17 13:43
nenolodbutOct 17 13:43
nenolodit's the same ideaOct 17 13:43
nenolod-()Oct 17 13:43
nenolodactually, i would say to some extentOct 17 13:45
nenolodthe reason why Mono exists now over dotGNUOct 17 13:45
nenolodwas because RMS let it go down the drainOct 17 13:45
nenolodinstead of getting a new core maintainer to replace nb, he just ignored requests from that teamOct 17 13:45
*nenolod gets his caneOct 17 13:46
gnufreexHow RMS is to blame... why spend good FSF money to evil causeOct 17 13:46
nenolodat the time it was not an evil causeOct 17 13:46
gnufreexNow it would be.Oct 17 13:46
gnufreexBetter to smear de Icaza then FSFOct 17 13:47
gnufreex:-)Oct 17 13:47
nenolodhad dotGNU been a successful project, .NET would have gone down a lot differentlyOct 17 13:47
nenolodthe whole plan was to force our way through the ECMA processOct 17 13:47
gnufreexWhen I think better, you are right.Oct 17 13:47
nenolodand RMS was supportive of that strategy.Oct 17 13:47
nenolodbut by the time Mono 1.0 was around, ECMA process was basically doneOct 17 13:48
nenolodso nobody cared anymoreOct 17 13:48
nenolodbut we could have gotten in on the .Net 2.0 specification drafting processOct 17 13:48
nenolodIcaza had no such interestsOct 17 13:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] have the MIPS systems almost up and running again. noticed PMON is not the same version on these systems :-sOct 17 13:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anonymous Takes Out UK Intellectual Property Office Website - http://bit.ly/b3MZ1w I have the feeling this isn't going to help #ddos #ukOct 17 13:48
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nenolodwhich is why Microsoft played nice with themOct 17 13:48
nenolodto Microsoft, dotGNU was a /threat/Oct 17 13:49
nenolodbecause we would have had equal access in the ECMA processesOct 17 13:49
nenolodMono having equal access instead was not a problem because Icaza didn't careOct 17 13:49
nenolodFSF having access though, they cared a big deal about thatOct 17 13:50
gnufreexDe Icaza is working for Microsoft, so he don't want to push. Mono advocates like to compare Mono with samba, as in "samba is also in danger from M$". They should cmpare Jeremy Alison to De Icaza. JRA gave hard time to Microsoft and eventualy made them give papers through court. De Icaza loves everything that comes from Microsoft and spins it against free software.Oct 17 13:51
oiaohmSamba lead developers were prepared to put the legal battle first to get it sorted out.Oct 17 13:52
nenolodIcaza's whole business (Ximian) was on interoperability with Microsoft technology.Oct 17 13:52
nenolodit should be unsurprising that he has such views :pOct 17 13:52
nenolodpoint is, FSF's interest in .NET with dotGNU was to force their way into the .NET 2.0 ECMA spec drafting processOct 17 13:53
gnufreexWell... I am suprised. If I was in his shoes, I would push to get my bussines legalized.Oct 17 13:53
gnufreexNot hope that M$ are nice.Oct 17 13:53
oiaohmRemember Novell has a deal.  gnufreexOct 17 13:53
oiaohmSo he is safe at this stage.Oct 17 13:54
gnufreexYeah, he is safe now, and probably has personal deal with MSFT.Oct 17 13:54
nenolodand dotGNU died because Icaza+Mono worked directly with M$ and had access to internal docsOct 17 13:54
nenolodthis is well known :pOct 17 13:54
oiaohmAlso some of the new code turning up in mono is coming from Microsoft developers directly as well.Oct 17 13:55
nenolodwellOct 17 13:55
nenolodthat doesn't matter anymoreOct 17 13:55
gnufreexAnd licensed under MS-PLOct 17 13:55
gnufreexAnti-GPL licenseOct 17 13:55
nenolodtheir goal was, with icazaOct 17 13:55
oiaohmI really suspect mono change licence was to allow Microsoft to take code back from monoOct 17 13:55
nenolodto crush dotGNUOct 17 13:55
oiaohmBasically Mono Microsoft these days is appearing to be double way releationship.Oct 17 13:56
nenolodmicrosoft did not want anyone else with an agenda being in the ECMA processOct 17 13:56
oiaohmNotice the mono still has not released a ECMA only version.Oct 17 13:56
oiaohmI don't think it possible.Oct 17 13:56
nenolodyes :)Oct 17 13:56
gnufreexYes, they changed to MIT so MSFT can have the code.Oct 17 13:57
nenolodanywayOct 17 13:57
nenolod07:49:19  gnufreex:> And licensed under MS-PLOct 17 13:57
nenolod07:49:25  gnufreex:> Anti-GPL licenseOct 17 13:57
oiaohmJust like all MS spec sheets I suspect the ECMA has errors.Oct 17 13:57
nenolodpersonally i'm not pro-GPLOct 17 13:57
gnufreexMaking class libraries is laborious task.Oct 17 13:57
nenolodamost all code i write is ISC licenseOct 17 13:57
oiaohmMS-PL is strangely enough GPL v3 compadible.Oct 17 13:57
nenolodalmost*Oct 17 13:57
oiaohmIe to be wrapped by GPL v3Oct 17 13:57
gnufreexoiaohm: How's that?Oct 17 13:58
oiaohmMS-PL declare include patent grant and is open enough to be wrapped by GPLv3Oct 17 13:58
gnufreexoiaohm: IT says explicitly "MS-PL of GTFO"Oct 17 13:58
gnufreexoiaohm: IT says explicitly "MS-PL or GTFO"Oct 17 13:58
nenolodgnufreex: GPLv3 says explicitly GPLv3 or GTFOOct 17 13:59
oiaohmNote the other way is not possible.Oct 17 13:59
oiaohmIe MS-PL containing GPLv3 cannot be done.Oct 17 13:59
oiaohmBut GPLv3 containing MS-PL can be done.Oct 17 13:59
gnufreexnenolod: And MS-PL says that too. So incompatible.Oct 17 13:59
nenolodthis is why i use ISC for everythingOct 17 13:59
nenolod:POct 17 13:59
gnufreexoiaohm: It can be done if you own all the code.Oct 17 14:00
nenolodISC is so simple a 5 year old can understand itOct 17 14:00
nenolodthe only time i use GPL is if i have a commercial interest in the codeOct 17 14:00
nenolodin that case, you can use GPL or buy a non-GPL license if the GPL terms are too restrictiveOct 17 14:01
nenolodi think the GPL is great for that modelOct 17 14:01
gnufreexnenolod: Simplicity is overrated. When I think about those "additional freedoms" that permisive licenses give I get scared: Freedom #5: Freedom to watch your code competes against you. Freedom #6: Freedom to get sued by contributor for patent infridgement...Oct 17 14:02
oiaohmnenolod: remember wine started off with a MIT licence then latter changed to LGPLOct 17 14:02
oiaohmThere is such thing as too much freedom.Oct 17 14:03
gnufreexThere is freedom and there is powerOct 17 14:03
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nenolodoiaohm: yes. obviously, but a number of projects i work on i have no interest inOct 17 14:03
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gnufreexLet me find FSF article...Oct 17 14:03
nenolodoiaohm: anything i have an actual interest in i put under GPLOct 17 14:04
gnufreexhttp://www.gnu.org/philosophy/freedom-or-power.htmlOct 17 14:04
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gnufreexThe love of liberty is the love of others; the love of power is the love of ourselves.Oct 17 14:04
gnufreex-- William HazlittOct 17 14:04
nenolodbecause you are right, the GPL does give important protections when you need those protectionsOct 17 14:04
nenolodlet me put it this wayOct 17 14:05
oiaohmYep particularly that you competitor cannot take you code extend and not give you the code so leaving you at a disadvantage in the market.Oct 17 14:05
nenolodseveral years ago, i used to put most of my code in the public domainOct 17 14:05
nenolodISC is as close as you can get with it being a legit licenseOct 17 14:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Will saints be much harder to create in the future because as time goes on we will know more about their day to day lifes? #religionOct 17 14:07
gnufreexWTFPL is legit tooOct 17 14:07
gnufreexhttp://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/Oct 17 14:07
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nenolodi prefer ISC for thisOct 17 14:08
oiaohmI was just about to point to that one.Oct 17 14:08
nenolodit's a bit more proOct 17 14:08
nenolodthanOct 17 14:08
nenolod"Do what the fuck you want to"Oct 17 14:08
nenolodi mean, i like being able to get hired placesOct 17 14:08
gnufreexI am joking :-)Oct 17 14:08
oiaohmNot like to upset bos or filters.  nenolodOct 17 14:08
oiaohmI have had cases of site filters blocking wtfpl licence.Oct 17 14:08
oiaohmYes just because it contains the F work.Oct 17 14:09
nenolodhttp://hg.atheme.org/atheme/atheme/file/f3e44f7e6b30/COPYINGOct 17 14:10
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nenolodISC is even copyleft!Oct 17 14:10
nenolodit forces you to keep the license text and doesn't grant you the ability to sublicense!Oct 17 14:10
oiaohmISC is not completely bad.Oct 17 14:11
oiaohmwtfpl is closer to public domian than ISC.   But still who wants to be any closer to public domain than ISCOct 17 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Lobby Lens - http://bit.ly/9aztGV clickable, graphical representation of lobbyists and clients - amazing: want now (via @WhosLobbying) #auOct 17 14:12
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gnufreexnenolod: How come ISC copyleft?Oct 17 14:13
nenolod08:04:12  nenolod:> it forces you to keep the license text and doesn't grant you the ability to sublicense!Oct 17 14:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Re saints, More like trying to name an aircraft carrier after Ronald Reagan.Oct 17 14:13
nenolodit also does not grant permission to change the license text in any wayOct 17 14:14
gnufreexThat sucks then. It fails the purpose.Oct 17 14:14
oiaohmISC is like bsd that way.Oct 17 14:14
gnufreexIf you want to have that, you should use GPL.Oct 17 14:14
nenolodgnufreex: the purpose is to keep the codebase under the ISC licenseOct 17 14:14
nenolodgnufreex: GPL is aggressively copyleft.  It forces everything else to become GPL.Oct 17 14:15
nenolodgnufreex: I do not agree with that.Oct 17 14:15
nenolodi actually like the Apache 2.0 LicenseOct 17 14:15
nenolodi don't think it's GPL compatible thoughOct 17 14:16
amarsh04back in a few, testing kernel with initrd rebuilt with udev 163Oct 17 14:16
gnufreexSo it keeps code from geting into GPL, but lets go binary only? That is pretty bad.Oct 17 14:16
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FSF_approved_software_licensesOct 17 14:16
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gnufreexApache v2 is compatible with GPLv3Oct 17 14:16
nenolodgnufreex: some changes can be made to the ISC text to force source distribution with binary distributionOct 17 14:16
oiaohmISC is not offically marked as a copyleaf.  nenolod  ISC does not force all new code added to be under ISCOct 17 14:16
nenolodoiaohm: it does not, no.Oct 17 14:17
nenolodbut it forces existing codeOct 17 14:17
nenolodand that is all i care aboutOct 17 14:17
oiaohmA true copyleaf does.Oct 17 14:17
oiaohmIe close just not quite.Oct 17 14:17
nenolodanywayOct 17 14:17
gnufreexExisting code stays under existing license, no matter what.Oct 17 14:17
nenolodi don't really care about licensingOct 17 14:18
gnufreexThat is not copyleft.Oct 17 14:18
nenolodanyone who cares more about licensing than code is generally uninteresting to meOct 17 14:18
nenoloda big problem for FOSS is that people look at it, then they see schestowitz & lefty going at it and they get scaredOct 17 14:19
nenolodso they stick with "what they know"Oct 17 14:19
oiaohmI have learnt to care about licencing more after the codeweavers vs transgaming.Oct 17 14:19
oiaohmWhen wine risked losing codeweavers support due to transgaming keeping secrets.Oct 17 14:20
gnufreexnenolod: The problem is, if you don't care about licensing, all coding won't matter.Oct 17 14:20
nenolodgnufreex: and i disagree - code and product quality are as important if not more important than licensingOct 17 14:21
gnufreexBut... it is complicted issue.Oct 17 14:21
oiaohmAnything critical I need better be under the right license so key contributors don't end up in a location to keep income they have to consider walking away.Oct 17 14:21
nenolodgnufreex: GPLv3 does a great jobOct 17 14:21
nenolodISC does a great jobOct 17 14:21
oiaohmProduct quality slips if you don't have the developers.Oct 17 14:21
nenolodBSD does a great jobOct 17 14:21
oiaohmBSD not so much when you compare BSD progress against GPL progress.Oct 17 14:22
nenolodit all depends on what you are trying to doOct 17 14:22
nenolodthe point isOct 17 14:22
oiaohmBSD is good for getting standards out like TCP/IPOct 17 14:22
nenolodand this is the point that lefty tries to make but fails at making due to being an assholeOct 17 14:22
oiaohmBut for geting new featuresOct 17 14:23
nenolodthere is a GPL zealotry problemOct 17 14:23
oiaohmNot as good.Oct 17 14:23
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nenolodlike the sparkleshare incidentOct 17 14:23
oiaohmLGPL has worked for a lot of projects really well.Oct 17 14:23
nenolodthe author of sparkleshare got derided for writing his code in C#Oct 17 14:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] BBC News - What will South Korea do with gigabit internet speeds? http://ping.fm/nyVjUOct 17 14:23
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nenolodeven though it was otherwise free softwareOct 17 14:23
nenolodthose people, who spend there time doing that instead of doing something constructive need to GTFOOct 17 14:24
nenolodand i am tired of those peopleOct 17 14:24
oiaohmReally it was a clone of another program.Oct 17 14:24
oiaohmHistorically do that at your own risk.Oct 17 14:24
gnufreexnenolod: Lefty lies a lot. He didn't get get 'derided'Oct 17 14:24
nenolodgnufreex: he got derided.  i read everything for myself and reached my own conclusions.Oct 17 14:24
oiaohmRemember the toasting gnote got.  nenolodOct 17 14:24
oiaohmHeck sparkleshare got off light.Oct 17 14:25
nenolodbradley kuhn needs to keep his mouth shutOct 17 14:25
nenolodevery time he opens it, it spawns a PR disasterOct 17 14:25
oiaohmAnd I expect to see libreoffice get some toasting for Oracle as well.Oct 17 14:25
nenolodand like it or not, PR is important when you're someone like bkuhnOct 17 14:25
oiaohmIt is the nature of the beast.Oct 17 14:25
oiaohmFork a project you will get hit.Oct 17 14:26
nenolodsparkleshare is not a fork of anythingOct 17 14:26
oiaohmOr clone a project you will get it.Oct 17 14:26
nenolodhe got toasted due to C# useOct 17 14:26
nenolodbkuhn shouldn't have done it.  not with the position he is inOct 17 14:26
nenolodbecause when you do that, you give the enemy ammoOct 17 14:27
nenolodwe do not want to give the enemy PR ammoOct 17 14:27
gnufreexSo, what should he have done instead?Oct 17 14:27
nenolodhe should have just kept his mouth shutOct 17 14:27
nenolodperiodOct 17 14:27
nenolodyou seem to believe that for all perceived issues that they must be "solved"Oct 17 14:27
oiaohmThe toasting over C# started with tomboy.  nenolodOct 17 14:27
nenolodyes i knowOct 17 14:27
oiaohmToasting there clones.Oct 17 14:27
nenolodi disagreed with that tooOct 17 14:27
gnufreexSo, Mono apps get pilling on, everything goes Mono... how is that helping?Oct 17 14:27
nenolodoh gnoesOct 17 14:28
nenolodhere's the solutionOct 17 14:28
nenolodprovide a better app which doesn't use MonoOct 17 14:28
nenolodmost of the Mono-using apps are pretty crappy apps because the Mono family of languages don't appeal to seasoned programmersOct 17 14:28
nenolodthey appeal to designersOct 17 14:28
nenolodit shouldn't be too hard to write a better appOct 17 14:28
nenolodthen when you write the better app, you let the market decideOct 17 14:29
nenolodif people want to use Mono apps, that's their decisionOct 17 14:29
nenolodthere are plenty of distributions which do not ship Mono appsOct 17 14:29
nenolodone thing that people forget is that free software also is about freedom of choiceOct 17 14:29
nenolodGNOME v. KDE, Mono v. writing it in a good language, etcOct 17 14:30
nenolodat the end of the day, the "market" (e.g. all the users out there), they just want the apps that do what they want and do a good job at itOct 17 14:30
nenolodit's pretty simpleOct 17 14:31
nenolodso replace the mono apps with better appsOct 17 14:31
nenolodinstead of trolling about it, just replace the damn thingOct 17 14:31
gnufreexDon't reduce Mono vs xx to GNOME vs KDE. It is not that at this point. It is like GNOME vs KDE in late 90s.Oct 17 14:31
nenolodit is thatOct 17 14:31
oiaohmI trying to remember the one that existed before sparle share and did not use mono.  nenolodOct 17 14:31
oiaohmThere is one.Oct 17 14:31
oiaohmThat was where the battle started.Oct 17 14:31
nenolodthen take that appOct 17 14:31
nenolodmake it betterOct 17 14:31
nenolodwatch everyone use it insteadOct 17 14:32
nenolodpretty simplreOct 17 14:32
oiaohmIe it got side tracked into a C# arguement.Oct 17 14:32
nenolodmy point isOct 17 14:32
nenolodbkuhn should not have gone there.  i personally know he knows better than to have gone there.Oct 17 14:32
nenolodhe did so anyway, lefty picked up on it, it became a PR issueOct 17 14:33
nenolodpeople should have the choice to use mono apps if they wantOct 17 14:33
nenolodwithout being harassed for itOct 17 14:33
nenolodor deridedOct 17 14:33
nenolodor chastizedOct 17 14:33
nenolodwanting to use an app that works is a perfectly valid wish and you can't say those people are wrong because they want an app that happens to be using monoOct 17 14:34
gnufreexnenolod: You seem to advocate against negative marketing. Unfortunately, sometimes, that is necesary. Mono use needs criticism or else everybody is going to use it. For example, there are apps that are adding Mono extensions. It would be stupid to recode entire app just because it adds Mono dependency. Users will not move to replacement. And it again requires lots of friction and negative marketing.Oct 17 14:34
gnufreexMono advocates also use thatOct 17 14:35
nenolodgnufreex: sorry i disagreeOct 17 14:35
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oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFolder  << No they don't gnufreexOct 17 14:35
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gnufreex"Look at those, they want to make you switch app just because of Mono, they are zealots"Oct 17 14:35
nenolodgnufreex: you are a zealot, sorryOct 17 14:36
nenolodit's trueOct 17 14:36
nenolodthat statement is a true statementOct 17 14:36
oiaohmSome of the ones that started the C#  over sparkleshare were Novell personal.Oct 17 14:36
gnufreexSo, frickin wha?Oct 17 14:36
gnufreexI am proud of that!Oct 17 14:36
oiaohmFunny enough to protect there own C# product.Oct 17 14:36
oiaohmYes there are lot of double standard people out there.Oct 17 14:36
nenolodoiaohm: yes, but bkuhn sparked it offOct 17 14:37
_GoblinHave I missed something.....why not just stick with OOo or Abiword.......I won't even mention the name LXXXXoffice....Oct 17 14:37
oiaohmThere are a lot of Novell media people I would love to shot.Oct 17 14:37
nenolodthe appropriate way of handling the sparkleshare thing would have been to offer the guy help moving to native codeOct 17 14:37
nenolodand highlighting that his app will work better due to it being native codeOct 17 14:37
nenolodthere's an old sayingOct 17 14:38
nenolodyou attract more flies with honey than vinegarOct 17 14:38
gnufreexYes, that is effective way but that would also give ammo to haters. Haters gonna hate.Oct 17 14:39
nenolodyes, haters are going to hate, but there's a lot less hate going around.Oct 17 14:39
gnufreexAnybody who approaches the Sparkleshare dev with such proposition is going to branded zealotOct 17 14:39
nenolodyes, but by chastizing the sparkleshare devOct 17 14:40
nenolodthe dev wentOct 17 14:40
nenolod"hey, fuck you assholes"Oct 17 14:40
nenolodit's who thinks you are a zealotOct 17 14:40
nenolodnot if someone thinks you are a zealotOct 17 14:40
gnufreexThat is not wha bkhun did.Oct 17 14:40
nenolodyes he didOct 17 14:40
nenolodhe saidOct 17 14:40
nenolodin effect, "sparkleshare sucks because it uses mono"Oct 17 14:40
gnufreexNo, he said it is disturbing for him to hear that sparkleshare uses Mono.Oct 17 14:41
nenolodyes, he didn't need to say thatOct 17 14:41
nenolodperiod. didn't need to be said.Oct 17 14:42
gnufreexSo if he proposed a port to Vala out of the blue, it would be same effect.Oct 17 14:42
nenolodnot if he saidOct 17 14:42
gnufreexThere are not so many ways to say it.Oct 17 14:42
gnufreexHe got to spill it out somehow.Oct 17 14:42
nenolod"i want to help improve sparkleshare by moving it to Vala to reduce dependencies and improve performance."Oct 17 14:42
nenolodnobody can argue against that statementOct 17 14:42
nenolodcompiling the code with vala reduces dependencies and improves performanceOct 17 14:43
gnufreexI could argue: " Mono is great, you are such zealot because you want to remove Mono!!!111"Oct 17 14:43
nenolodby highlighting technical benefits to using vala over mono, you win without pissing off the devOct 17 14:43
nenolodgnufreex: you couldOct 17 14:43
nenolodgnufreex: but you're not the devOct 17 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Devastation and Recovery at Mt. St. Helens - http://bit.ly/cpjhXG now that's a natural remedy (via @Eaterofsun)Oct 17 14:43
nenolodgnufreex: so you don't matterOct 17 14:43
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nenolodgnufreex: the community, will in general, write those people off as moronsOct 17 14:44
nenolodas long as the outcome results in a happy devOct 17 14:44
nenolodit doesn't matter what those people thinkOct 17 14:44
oiaohmnenolod: at the time vala was not developed enough.  Please be careful with rose coloured glasses.Oct 17 14:44
nenolodlike you said, "haters gonna hate"Oct 17 14:44
nenolodoiaohm: this discussionOct 17 14:44
nenolodoiaohm: happened 4 weeks agoOct 17 14:44
nenolodoiaohm: moron tank over thereOct 17 14:45
*nenolod pointsOct 17 14:45
oiaohmSo it has not died down.Oct 17 14:45
oiaohmI would have though by now they would have moved on.Oct 17 14:45
nenolodno, sparkleshare is quite recentOct 17 14:45
nenolodnowOct 17 14:46
nenolodlefty gets a lot wrongOct 17 14:46
nenolodsimply because that's his goalOct 17 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] What Can Squid Hear? : TreeHugger http://ping.fm/3EMJc(Treehugger)Oct 17 14:47
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nenolodbut there are elements of truth to the things he saysOct 17 14:47
amarsh04link from http://www.whirlpool.net.au http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/spy-fears-as-chinese-firm-eyes-nbn-deal-20101016-16odq.htmlOct 17 14:47
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nenolodthere is a sexism problem in FOSS, but it's not in the way that lefty describesOct 17 14:47
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nenolodif you sit on #ubuntu-women or whatever, you can see itOct 17 14:47
nenolodthat problem is getting betterOct 17 14:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Next Web: Anonymous takes down UK government website in Operation Payback http://ping.fm/Y6uyMOct 17 14:48
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nenolodbut the problem with lefty isOct 17 14:49
nenolodhe took an example of some ubuntu-using moron harassing a girlOct 17 14:50
nenolodand spun it into "big opensource guy sexually assults a girl"Oct 17 14:50
nenolodso like i saidOct 17 14:50
nenolodelements of truth, almost all spin thoughOct 17 14:50
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nenolodwelcome backOct 17 14:51
oiaohmLot of the female open source coders I have ment can more than take care of themselves.Oct 17 14:51
nenolodyesOct 17 14:51
nenolodi agreeOct 17 14:51
oiaohmYes I do mean more.Oct 17 14:51
oiaohmI have seen some guys wishing there nuts were more protected.Oct 17 14:51
nenolodsome of the best coders i have worked with have been women actuallyOct 17 14:52
lightpriest_operation payback's logo reminds me of thepiratebay's logoOct 17 14:52
nenolodmanOct 17 14:52
lightpriest_ohhOct 17 14:52
nenolodddosing peopleOct 17 14:52
lightpriest_it's the same one :DOct 17 14:52
nenolodisn't a solution to thatOct 17 14:52
nenolodthat's just stupidOct 17 14:53
nenolodi mean, when you find yourself presented with a problem and you think "i know! i will ddos them!" you might want to rethink the problemOct 17 14:53
nenolodseriouslyOct 17 14:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Rehearsals, rehearsals, rehearsals...Oct 17 14:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] vnmc [on Tumblr] - 5 MB of storage 44 years ago http://ping.fm/lHV0POct 17 14:53
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_GoblinHi lightpriest_Oct 17 14:54
lightpriest_heyOct 17 14:54
_GoblinHaven't seen you here before...new?Oct 17 14:54
lightpriest_i've been following the blog for a few months nowOct 17 14:54
nenolodi wonder if apple has a patent on menu bars at top of screenOct 17 14:54
_GoblinWelcome to the channel!Oct 17 14:54
nenolodnot that it mattersOct 17 14:54
nenolodamiga is prior artOct 17 14:54
oiaohmYes the do nenolodOct 17 14:54
lightpriest_thank you :)Oct 17 14:54
oiaohmBut its expired.  nenolodOct 17 14:54
nenolodoiaohm: awesomeOct 17 14:55
nenolodi'm infringing on it right nowOct 17 14:55
nenolodit feels so goodOct 17 14:55
gnufreexdon't know about apple, but Microsoft tried to patent RibbonOct 17 14:55
nenolodi remember when you got patents on stuff you madeOct 17 14:55
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oiaohmNote its icon in the top coner tha amiga did not have.  nenolodOct 17 14:55
nenolodgood timesOct 17 14:55
_Goblinnenolod: Im also infringing.......Oct 17 14:55
nenolodnow you get patents on bullshit you make upOct 17 14:55
oiaohmRemember the apple icon up there nenolodOct 17 14:55
nenolodno apple iconOct 17 14:55
lightpriest_I think the original HTML implementation already did thatOct 17 14:55
nenolodi guess it's not an infringementOct 17 14:55
oiaohmAlso the patent is expired. nenolodOct 17 14:56
oiaohmSo you cannot infringe it now.Oct 17 14:56
nenolodoiaohm: yeah i heard youOct 17 14:56
lightpriest_If I recall correctly, <meta> tags had some "prev", "next" and other context related stuffOct 17 14:56
nenolodoiaohm: i was making a jokeOct 17 14:56
oiaohmLot of MS Office 2007 and up is trademarked.Oct 17 14:56
oiaohmMore than Patented.Oct 17 14:57
nenolodinterestingOct 17 14:57
oiaohmtrademarks have a lower bar of proff.Oct 17 14:57
_Goblin" i remember when you got patents on stuff you made" - Dont be silly nenolod http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/microsoft-to-boldly-blow/Oct 17 14:57
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oiaohmIt it just looks like me so you are toast.Oct 17 14:57
nenolod_Goblin: no, likeOct 17 14:57
nenolod_Goblin: i'm talking cotton gin, "efficient aparatus for storing paper documents", so onOct 17 14:57
nenolod_Goblin: flat screen TVsOct 17 14:57
nenolodyou knowOct 17 14:57
_Goblinnenolod: yeah like the Holodeck patent from MS (as above link)Oct 17 14:57
nenolodthingsOct 17 14:58
nenolod*things*Oct 17 14:58
nenolod_Goblin: yeah you've been able to patent BS for a long timeOct 17 14:58
nenolodthat saidOct 17 14:58
nenolodi want a holodeckOct 17 14:58
nenoloddo they have assembly instructions on that patent?Oct 17 14:58
_Goblinnenolod: I can see this conversation deteriorating rapidly.Oct 17 14:58
_Goblin;)Oct 17 14:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] At Frieze Art Fair.Oct 17 14:58
oiaohmQuite a few maths based ones had.  nenolodOct 17 14:58
nenolodohOct 17 14:58
nenolodthat patentOct 17 14:58
nenolodlinden lab had a similar one they were going to file forOct 17 14:59
nenolodi forget if they actually did it or notOct 17 14:59
oiaohmRemember how many patents did you see on the back of sicence calculators.Oct 17 14:59
nenolodyes but you have to keep in mindOct 17 14:59
nenolodsomeone invented a circuit to do that stuffOct 17 14:59
nenolodso that's legitOct 17 14:59
Diablo-D3oiaohm: manOct 17 15:00
nenolodnow when you get into graphing calculatorsOct 17 15:00
Diablo-D3Ive seen shit that has likeOct 17 15:00
Diablo-D39000 patentsOct 17 15:00
nenolodthat's when it gets less legitOct 17 15:00
nenolodsince there's actually a z80 chip in thereOct 17 15:00
Diablo-D3nenolod: well yeahOct 17 15:00
Diablo-D3swpatsOct 17 15:00
Diablo-D3areOct 17 15:00
Diablo-D3gayOct 17 15:00
nenolodbut a scientific calculatorOct 17 15:00
nenolod100% legitOct 17 15:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @sheytan: Now this one is cool #kubuntu #KDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNf36LQFfIM <- Is it possible w/Gnome ? #KDE rocks!Oct 17 15:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Some very good new art, lots of stunts, various old favourites. You can see the trends. #friezeOct 17 15:00
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nenolodthere's no CPU in thereOct 17 15:00
Diablo-D3yeah, its just a mostly raw ALUOct 17 15:00
Diablo-D3with enough UI to flip the right bitsOct 17 15:01
nenolodexactlyOct 17 15:01
nenolodso they're patenting bits and pieces of the ALUOct 17 15:01
nenolodlike i said, 100% legitOct 17 15:01
nenolodi doubt any of those patents are still active anywayOct 17 15:01
Diablo-D3no reason to anywaysOct 17 15:02
Diablo-D3theres only one right way of making an ALUOct 17 15:02
nenolodi mean i can't forsee them doing anything innovative in scientific calculators anymoreOct 17 15:02
Diablo-D3its counterproductive to keep the patent activeOct 17 15:02
oiaohmThere are patents for processing machine code produced from asm.  There are some software patents for compliers optimising code.Oct 17 15:02
oiaohmYes hordid stuff.Oct 17 15:02
oiaohmThere was enough when they stuck to real hardware.Oct 17 15:02
nenolodoiaohm: like i said, when you have an actual CPU driving your calculator, it becomes less legitOct 17 15:03
Diablo-D3nenolod: wellOct 17 15:03
nenolodbut patents on hardware are totally legitOct 17 15:03
Diablo-D3theres also another problemOct 17 15:03
nenolodthat's what the patent system is there forOct 17 15:03
Diablo-D3you have to understand the difference between true swpats and math pats.Oct 17 15:03
nenolodDiablo-D3: that too ;)Oct 17 15:03
Diablo-D3math pats are meeeeehhh and could be slid through without much bitchingOct 17 15:03
Diablo-D3but actual swpats? fuck thatOct 17 15:03
gnufreexPatents on harware are even worse than sofware ones: See Intel monopoly and crappy x86Oct 17 15:03
Diablo-D3PATENT ON HOW TO MANGLE STRINGS FOR A SPECIFIC USE CASE THAT NO ONE ACTUALLY GIVES A FUCK ABOUTOct 17 15:03
gnufreexEverything is software now.Oct 17 15:03
Diablo-D3and then the company sues some guy who isnt working with stringsOct 17 15:04
Diablo-D3thats where swpats need to dieOct 17 15:04
nenolodgnufreex: there were patents on 68k cpus tooOct 17 15:04
nenolodgnufreex: and PPC and even CellOct 17 15:04
Diablo-D3there are patents on everythingOct 17 15:04
Diablo-D3this cake Im eating atm?Oct 17 15:04
Diablo-D3patents.Oct 17 15:04
nenolodgnufreex: x86 just won cause intel undercut everyone else back during the z80 daysOct 17 15:04
nenolodhad z80 won, we'd all be using ARM nowOct 17 15:04
Diablo-D3nenolod: ermOct 17 15:05
Diablo-D3except remember what the z80 isOct 17 15:05
Diablo-D3a non-compatible 8080Oct 17 15:05
gnufreexnenolod: Problem is that _now_ CPUs are sofware.Oct 17 15:05
nenolodyesOct 17 15:05
Diablo-D3just to avoid patents and overall Intel suing shitOct 17 15:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Mandated Open Access Impact Advantage - http://bit.ly/c8U0J2 "because of a quality advantage" (via @AmSciForum) #oaOct 17 15:05
Diablo-D3they wernt GOING anywhere with itOct 17 15:05
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Diablo-D3they just wanted an incredibly cheap 8bit processor that everyone knew how to codeOct 17 15:05
nenolodDiablo-D3: yes, but z80 guys switched to ARM down the roadOct 17 15:05
Diablo-D3well, so did the 68k guysOct 17 15:06
nenolodnintendo, acorn, etcOct 17 15:06
nenolodnoOct 17 15:06
Diablo-D368k was fucking popular in game shitOct 17 15:08
nenolod68k went PPC mostlyOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3well on the mac side yeahOct 17 15:08
nenolodmac and amigaOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3but like, if Sega made a handheld console now, it'd be an ARMOct 17 15:08
gnufreexPPC went..... x86Oct 17 15:08
nenolodyeahOct 17 15:08
nenolodPPC is deadOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3well waitOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3they'res more!Oct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3the three current gen console?Oct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3all powerpc.Oct 17 15:08
gnufreexNot yet dead... but dying.Oct 17 15:08
nenolodyeahOct 17 15:08
nenolodbutOct 17 15:08
gnufreexI am waiting new AmigaOct 17 15:08
gnufreexThey promisedOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3there are more wii sales than pcs for game sales.Oct 17 15:08
nenolodfourth gen will probably be x86Oct 17 15:08
nenolodprobably x86 + stream coprocessors for OpenCLOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3nenolod: and still no native halo 1 support for xbox 9000Oct 17 15:08
nenolodx86 + stream coprocessors would be sweetOct 17 15:08
gnufreexx86 + anyting is crapOct 17 15:08
nenolodwrongOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3gnufreex: not at allOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3Im very impressed with AMDOct 17 15:08
nenolodx86 is actually pretty good now with x86-64Oct 17 15:08
gnufreexI tried to learn ASM... really tried.Oct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3x86 is pretty good when you're running all your shit intensive parallel code on the gpuOct 17 15:08
gnufreexIt is broken ISAOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3gnufreex: dude, noOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3you dont fucking code assemblyOct 17 15:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] The most amazing aesthetic experience so far is the chocolate fondant. ;-) #friezeOct 17 15:08
nenolod15 regs + CISC = crazy fucking fastOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3who the fuck doe sthat anymoreOct 17 15:08
gnufreexI knwoOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3this isnt the fucking 80sOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3I mean, fuckOct 17 15:08
Diablo-D3I can run javaOct 17 15:09
Diablo-D3onOct 17 15:09
Diablo-D3my gpuOct 17 15:09
Diablo-D3JAVA ON MY GPUOct 17 15:09
gnufreexBut I tought it is cool to learn itOct 17 15:09
Diablo-D3gnufreex: dude, even I didnt bother learning much assemblyOct 17 15:09
Diablo-D3the compiler can do it ten times better than I canOct 17 15:09
nenolodsometimes asm is usefulOct 17 15:09
Diablo-D3http://developer.amd.com/zones/java/aparapi/Pages/default.aspxOct 17 15:09
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Diablo-D3java. on. gpus.Oct 17 15:09
nenolodlike when you're ripping replayer code out from gamesOct 17 15:09
Diablo-D3AMD's dick is 8=========================================================================================================================================DOct 17 15:10
Diablo-D3to motherfucking scaleOct 17 15:10
gnufreexJava on GPU... that is kewlOct 17 15:10
nenolodthe neat thing about GPUs is that they're basically insanely hyperthreadedOct 17 15:11
nenolodlikeOct 17 15:11
nenolodthey can doOct 17 15:11
nenolod280 things at onceOct 17 15:11
Diablo-D3nenolod: wellOct 17 15:11
Diablo-D3look at AMD's shitOct 17 15:11
nenolodi think what we'll see in the future is a design where the GPU just takes over as being a CPUOct 17 15:11
gnufreexBut I can't think of workload that would really work well on GPUOct 17 15:11
Diablo-D3the pipeline consumes 5 things at once (as in, pipelined), and its 4 wide.Oct 17 15:12
Diablo-D3the optimum workcase per pipe is 20 items, all doing the same operation.Oct 17 15:12
gnufreexIt needs to be double percision to materOct 17 15:12
oiaohmBiggest limitation with GPU is no memory allocation instructions.Oct 17 15:12
Diablo-D3gnufreex: it already isOct 17 15:12
Diablo-D3oiaohm: not at allOct 17 15:12
nenolodi think reallyOct 17 15:13
Diablo-D3you dont NEED to allocate memoryOct 17 15:13
nenolodwhat we're going to seeOct 17 15:13
Diablo-D3oiaohm: learn how to codeOct 17 15:13
nenolodis a shift of design conceptOct 17 15:13
Diablo-D3nenolod: well, what I want is, one of those new quadcore ARM A15sOct 17 15:13
Diablo-D3andOct 17 15:13
nenolodto where the GPU and CPU become one processorOct 17 15:13
Diablo-D3two 6970sOct 17 15:13
Diablo-D3nenolod: so AMD Fusion, shipping soon?Oct 17 15:14
nenolodnoOct 17 15:14
Diablo-D3but thats what you gotOct 17 15:14
nenolodand the OS task is just one jobOct 17 15:14
nenolodthat the chip is doingOct 17 15:14
nenolodnoOct 17 15:14
gnufreexDiabo-D3 I know it is, but all those TFLOPS are single-precision. When you do DP, it is actualy 10 GFLOPS or so. Not much faster than QuadCore CPUOct 17 15:14
nenolodAMD Fusion is still logically separateOct 17 15:14
oiaohmTo be more correct memory protection instructions.Oct 17 15:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Now isn't this special - BSA thwarting open standards! http://www.fsfe.org/projects/os/bsa-letter-ec.pdf #fbOct 17 15:14
gnufreex*100 GFLOPSOct 17 15:14
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Diablo-D3nenolod: logically seperate in the sense an SSE math unit is.Oct 17 15:14
Diablo-D3or a Cell SPEOct 17 15:14
oiaohmTo sence when something has screwed up badly.Oct 17 15:14
nenolodDiablo-D3: yeah, what i'm saying is the future is SPE onlyOct 17 15:14
Diablo-D3nenolod: its an SPE nowOct 17 15:14
nenolodas inOct 17 15:14
nenolodthe PPE is goneOct 17 15:14
Diablo-D3nenolod: its not merely on die, its plugged right into HTX and uses the HTX memory controllerOct 17 15:14
nenolodthere is no PPEOct 17 15:14
Diablo-D3well, you need a PPE for purely functional stuffOct 17 15:14
Diablo-D3to baby sit the SPEsOct 17 15:14
nenolodnahOct 17 15:14
Diablo-D3unless you can make if statements not suck dickOct 17 15:15
nenolodyou can use one of the SPEs for thatOct 17 15:15
Diablo-D3well, Cell SPEs, sureOct 17 15:15
Diablo-D3but not hyper-wide pipesOct 17 15:15
Diablo-D3you need to be able to schedule single width items with no branch penaltyOct 17 15:16
nenolodrightOct 17 15:16
nenolodbebOct 17 15:16
nenolodbrbOct 17 15:16
Diablo-D3nenolod: btw, did I show you http://developer.amd.com/zones/java/aparapi/Pages/default.aspx?Oct 17 15:16
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Diablo-D3srsly, java on gpu.Oct 17 15:16
nenolodDiablo-D3: it's java. srsly. don't care.Oct 17 15:16
gnufreexSo... this thing should be able to run JBossAS out of the box?Oct 17 15:17
Diablo-D3gnufreex: hell noOct 17 15:17
Diablo-D3it just translates bytecode to openclOct 17 15:17
Diablo-D3and you're very limited in the java you can useOct 17 15:18
Diablo-D3it basically has to look like what you'd code in openclOct 17 15:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] if(array_search(date("d/m/Y",$this->connections[0] -> getDepart()->getTime()), $this->strikes) !== false) - Nice PHP. Really nice. #containsOct 17 15:18
gnufreexOh... I knew it is too good to be true... so no need to study it anyways.Oct 17 15:18
Diablo-D3whats that supposed to mean?Oct 17 15:19
Diablo-D3its GREATOct 17 15:19
Diablo-D3it means I can write opencl without having to write openclOct 17 15:19
nenoloddude opencl is not hardOct 17 15:19
Diablo-D3gnufreex: btw, why the fuck mention jbossas?Oct 17 15:19
Diablo-D3gnufreex: how is that simd?Oct 17 15:19
Diablo-D3and why the fuck mention jbossas at all? its shitOct 17 15:19
Diablo-D3glassfish > jbossasOct 17 15:19
gnufreexNo reason. And it is not shit.Oct 17 15:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Today we fixed a bug while we were both in a car to a family thing. Got to love @mobilevikings #iRailOct 17 15:20
nenolodjbossas has problems with JIRAOct 17 15:25
nenolodunfortunately, JIRA is the only bug tracking software I have found that I actually like using.Oct 17 15:25
Diablo-D3yeah, jira actually worksOct 17 15:26
Diablo-D3especially combined with that other thing of theirsOct 17 15:26
nenolodit's closed source, oh gnoesOct 17 15:26
nenolodthe GPL zealots will burn me at the stakeOct 17 15:26
Diablo-D3OH NOESOct 17 15:26
*Diablo-D3 takes away rms' lighterOct 17 15:26
Diablo-D3bad rms! no weed!Oct 17 15:26
nenolodactually, rms once said that software which works is more important than software freedomOct 17 15:26
Diablo-D3yesOct 17 15:26
Diablo-D3problem isOct 17 15:27
nenolodwell, what he said was functionality is as important as freedomOct 17 15:27
Diablo-D3closed source has become == to shit.Oct 17 15:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Looking forward to http://www.tedxrheinneckar.de next week. Planning to talk about Kaspar Hauser effects in most software users...Oct 17 15:27
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nenolodsomething that is free and worthless isn't usefulOct 17 15:27
Diablo-D3its extremely hard to name closed source that isnt shitOct 17 15:27
nenolodJIRA isn't actually closed sourceOct 17 15:27
nenolodif you buy a licenseOct 17 15:27
nenolodyou get the sourceOct 17 15:27
nenolodso it's likeOct 17 15:27
Diablo-D3jira is look but dont touchOct 17 15:27
nenolod"shared source"Oct 17 15:27
nenolodnoOct 17 15:27
nenolodyou can touch itOct 17 15:27
Diablo-D3you cant distribute the changesOct 17 15:27
nenolodyou just can't release itOct 17 15:27
nenolodyesOct 17 15:27
Diablo-D3I wonder if you can send the changes back to themOct 17 15:27
nenolodyou canOct 17 15:28
Diablo-D3neatOct 17 15:28
Diablo-D3so its really not THAT badOct 17 15:28
Diablo-D3the license are just fuck expensiveOct 17 15:28
nenolodbut i meanOct 17 15:28
nenolodwith webappsOct 17 15:28
nenolodit's trickyOct 17 15:28
nenolodif you want to make moneyOct 17 15:28
Diablo-D3yeah, they'd have to agpl it or somethingOct 17 15:28
nenolodyou can't just opensource itOct 17 15:28
Diablo-D3just to dick peopleOct 17 15:28
nenolodthe only way to have opensource + make money is AGPLOct 17 15:28
nenolodand then you're still limitedOct 17 15:28
nenolodbecause what you're selling is consulting and customization servicesOct 17 15:29
nenolodif you don't make enough that wayOct 17 15:29
nenolodsucks to be youOct 17 15:29
Diablo-D3well, redhat basically does it for redhat linuxOct 17 15:29
nenolodyesOct 17 15:29
nenolodbutOct 17 15:29
Diablo-D3so it cant be that hard for killer app materialOct 17 15:29
nenoloda lot of people buy redhatOct 17 15:29
nenolodnot many people buy a bug trackerOct 17 15:29
nenolod:pOct 17 15:29
Diablo-D3well, honestlyOct 17 15:29
Diablo-D3if I needed oneOct 17 15:29
Diablo-D3I wouldOct 17 15:29
Diablo-D3Ive used every bug tracker everOct 17 15:29
Diablo-D3I hate them all except jiraOct 17 15:29
nenolodand JIRA is the killer app of bugtrackersOct 17 15:30
Diablo-D3but like I saidOct 17 15:30
nenolodbut JIRA is not so badOct 17 15:30
Diablo-D3jira's strong point is intergration with the rest of their shitOct 17 15:30
nenolodif you're an opensource projectOct 17 15:30
nenolodthey will give you a licenseOct 17 15:30
nenolodand sourceOct 17 15:30
nenolodso it's not so badOct 17 15:30
Diablo-D3like, FishEye is really goodOct 17 15:30
nenolodi mean you get the practical benefitsOct 17 15:30
nenolodof opensourceOct 17 15:31
Diablo-D3oh andOct 17 15:31
Diablo-D3it plugs into eclipseOct 17 15:31
Diablo-D3all their shit doesOct 17 15:31
nenolodyesOct 17 15:31
nenolodJIRA is great :)Oct 17 15:31
Diablo-D3you can access all of atlassian's shit through eclipseOct 17 15:31
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nenolodthe UI is greatOct 17 15:31
Diablo-D3you can get live testbox fails right into eclipseOct 17 15:31
MadRobotHi all.Oct 17 15:31
Diablo-D3as normal eclipse bugsOct 17 15:31
Diablo-D3a LOT of open source projects use atlassianOct 17 15:32
Diablo-D3its kind of ironicOct 17 15:32
nenolodyeahOct 17 15:32
nenolodyou know why?Oct 17 15:32
nenolodbecause it worksOct 17 15:32
Diablo-D3because its not shitOct 17 15:32
Diablo-D3and its free to fossOct 17 15:32
nenolodall the FOSS bug trackersOct 17 15:32
nenolodare a giant fucking pain to administrateOct 17 15:32
Diablo-D3bugzilla is ZOMGSETKJSETLKJRSGFAILOct 17 15:32
nenolodbugzilla is horridOct 17 15:33
Diablo-D3bugzilla is the only bug tracker that has ever made me want to kill peopleOct 17 15:33
nenolodgnats is 1980sOct 17 15:33
nenolodmantis is just god awfulOct 17 15:33
Diablo-D3and trac is just... blehOct 17 15:33
nenolodtrac is limitedOct 17 15:33
Diablo-D3trac is half a solutionOct 17 15:33
nenolodredmine is better than trac but a rails appOct 17 15:33
nenolodso we know what happens thereOct 17 15:33
nenolodbugs genie is WTFOct 17 15:34
nenolodflyspray is ok, but the UI is horribleOct 17 15:34
Diablo-D3redmine is fucking lolOct 17 15:34
nenolodroundup pretty much sucks in all possible waysOct 17 15:34
Diablo-D3look at it the wrong way, and there goes your entire serverOct 17 15:34
nenolodrequest tracker is lolzOct 17 15:34
nenolodhave i missed any?Oct 17 15:34
nenolodi'm not asking for much hereOct 17 15:35
nenolodi just want a UI that doesn't make my eyes bleedOct 17 15:35
nenolodand isn't a rails appOct 17 15:35
nenolodredmine would be greatOct 17 15:35
nenolodbut alas, railsOct 17 15:35
Diablo-D3wellOct 17 15:36
Diablo-D3it'd almost be worth redoing redmine in javaOct 17 15:36
Diablo-D3but blehOct 17 15:36
nenolodthey did thatOct 17 15:36
Diablo-D3no one knows enough rails to tryOct 17 15:36
nenolodit's called JIRAOct 17 15:36
Diablo-D3heeehOct 17 15:36
nenolodi can say thisOct 17 15:38
nenolodif bkuhn or any of those guys ever chastizes me for using JIRA, i'll go knock them outOct 17 15:38
nenolodbaseball bats are a great solution for trolling problemsOct 17 15:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh the _Stock_ Nexus One is missing the FM radio if that matters ? Also space available on the phone itself is kinda less ~ 188 MBOct 17 15:38
Diablo-D3remind them sun, apache, redhat, and a few others use itOct 17 15:38
MadRobotHi all.Oct 17 15:39
Diablo-D3MadRobot: what.Oct 17 15:39
nenolodredhat uses bugzillaOct 17 15:39
Diablo-D3redhat uses jira tooOct 17 15:39
MadRobotDiablo-D3, ??Oct 17 15:39
nenolodwhy don't they move fedora over to itOct 17 15:39
Diablo-D3nenolod: probably too much of a pitaOct 17 15:39
nenolodwhere is redhat's jiraOct 17 15:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh since apps2SD came in with froyo, that is relatively moot. Also the possible tinkering and it still being "the google phone"Oct 17 15:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh I really like it, cant complain but its my first ever smartphone, so I cant compare it to any other. What are your requirements ?Oct 17 15:40
Diablo-D3nenolod: it might be jboss shit onlyOct 17 15:40
nenolodyeahOct 17 15:41
nenolodit's jira.jboss.orgOct 17 15:41
Diablo-D3but jboss is redhat nowOct 17 15:41
Diablo-D3ergo, redhat has jiraOct 17 15:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yes! Sex scene!!! :D Unfortunately I'm not in it.... :(Oct 17 15:45
nenolodmanOct 17 15:46
nenolodi should justOct 17 15:46
nenolodfork the android email appOct 17 15:46
nenolodand fix itOct 17 15:46
Diablo-D3the gmail one? its not open source.Oct 17 15:46
nenolodno, AOSP comes with an appOct 17 15:47
nenolodcalledOct 17 15:47
nenolod"Email"Oct 17 15:47
nenolodit's for checking email on an IMAP/POP3/Exchange/Groupwise serverOct 17 15:47
Diablo-D3hehOct 17 15:48
nenolodi still maintain that negative advertising is only profitable in the short termOct 17 15:50
Diablo-D3thankfully Novemeber is almost hereOct 17 15:50
Diablo-D3dohohohohoOct 17 15:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Goals of the Keyring and Seahorse Projects | Stef Walter http://ping.fm/pzSFdOct 17 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Took a little time this morning to do something I haven't done a while: read a book, Tim O'Brien's memoir "The Things They Carried."Oct 17 16:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: @Aaditya025 It will be great if you send me the mail about bugs so that i can correct. Thanks http://bit.ly/bGmH2hOct 17 16:08
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Viper550So, I hear MTS, a Manitoba phone company, is going lazy and stopping its own email servicesOct 17 16:13
Viper550guess who they're outsourcing it toOct 17 16:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Mandlebroth died, aged 85.Oct 17 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @fabsh depends which part of the world you live in ;) Out here FM radio is quite popular ! (although I am not a terribly big fan tbh)Oct 17 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] TaintDroid code released http://lwn.net/Articles/410331/rssOct 17 16:14
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roy_Viper550: infosys?Oct 17 16:15
*roy_ jokesOct 17 16:15
Viper550no, they're forcing everyone with MTS email addresses ... to convert them to windows live hotmail.Oct 17 16:15
roy_That's where Microsoft moves internal opsOct 17 16:15
roy_hotmail is where mail comes to fryOct 17 16:16
Viper550on a related note, MTS already uses MS's IPTV software tooOct 17 16:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] I have just done four hours of the international artworld. It was fun. Will take a while to process. #friezeOct 17 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Iceweasel Has To Restart http://bit.ly/bcdHWd - I gotta say, PyRoom is excellent for creating blog postsOct 17 16:17
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Viper550http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=111626&highlight=hotmailOct 17 16:17
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roy_So no big deal. Microsoft bedfellow just stays in bedOct 17 16:18
roy_Would be worrisome if they switched bedsOct 17 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @carlopiana I mean: Mandelbrot died aged 85Oct 17 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] “cd foo && make” have to die! Learn to use #make parameters! It's “make -C foo” or even better within Makefiles “$(MAKE) -C foo” !gentooOct 17 16:18
roy_ok, i'll do a post about mts next weekOct 17 16:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Basenji Gets A Scanner Daemon Which Automatically Adds Inserted Volumes To The Database http://bit.ly/cgqcnROct 17 16:20
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roy_"I ditched Windoze for !Fedora. Is that good too? :)" http://identi.ca/notice/56447706Oct 17 16:21
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roy_That's excellent.Oct 17 16:21
roy_identica is a FOSS/FS heavenOct 17 16:21
roy_Viper550: in http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=111626&highlight=hotmail ....Oct 17 16:25
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roy_The favicon looks like it wasa pulled out of some disc recovery proggy from win 3.1 daysOct 17 16:25
Viper550oh, last pages looks like that MTS found a way to screw this upOct 17 16:26
roy_Viper550: BTW...Oct 17 16:27
roy_I was kind of right the first timeOct 17 16:27
roy_About mail being sent to infosysOct 17 16:27
roy_Remember who may run Hotmail soon (or already)Oct 17 16:27
roy_Not to mention Hotmail foundeeOct 17 16:28
roy_*derOct 17 16:28
roy_"@schestowitz  wow, I never thought I was going to see the downfold of ms internet browser dominance." http://identi.ca/conversation/55960373#notice-56470212Oct 17 16:36
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roy_http://identi.ca/conversation/55971625#notice-56480245 "Microsoft shouldn't get the chance to say this; again saying #open_source can lend ethical credence to immoral people"Oct 17 16:37
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schestowitzOpen source to proprietary 'champions' is what plating trees is to Energy GiantsOct 17 16:40
schestowitz*plantingOct 17 16:40
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/56480395 "Wait, WHAT? This is hilarious: "open source will ruin your life!" #opensource"Oct 17 16:42
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schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/66793Oct 17 16:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Research: Microsoft is nearly invisible in the mainstream press http://ur1.ca/23h7j Why I no longer track Microsoft muchOct 17 16:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Business Software Alliance pressuring the European Commission to remove support for Open Standards. http://bit.ly/91CmfG /by @cshirkyOct 17 16:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Freesoftware should respond more quickly to the threat of #FogComputing , including those online DBs that people throw personal info intoOct 17 16:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Business Software Alliance has been attacking standards in Europe for several years now, with _public_ submissions. cc @silner #swpatsOct 17 16:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] lol, misheard "benefit fraud" mentioned on !5live as "elephant fraud" which brought a whole new image to mind !plotideaOct 17 16:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @gotunandan What I mean is that it is redundant. You can get all that content over the web anyway.Oct 17 16:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Benefits of open Development http://font.ubuntu.com/rupee/ #ubuntu #font #rupee (via @nigelbabu)Oct 17 16:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The next big language http://j.mp/bF5xGg /by @newsycombinatorOct 17 16:55
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schestowitznenolod: got an identica account?Oct 17 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @schestowitz Research: Microsoft is nearly invisible in the mainstream press http://ur1.ca/23h7j Why I no longer track Microsoft muchOct 17 17:01
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Ender2070ThistleWeb - stop being a noob and implying iceweasel is hiding stuff from youOct 17 17:01
ThistleWebso where does it tell me?Oct 17 17:02
schestowitziceweasel is a real weasel!Oct 17 17:02
Ender2070you think debian is doing something evil to you?Oct 17 17:02
ThistleWebyou tell me it's not hiding stuff, so I ask you where it tells me?Oct 17 17:02
Ender2070why claim they are doing defarious deedsOct 17 17:02
ThistleWebif you know, why not tell me where it tells me?Oct 17 17:03
Ender2070where does firefox tell youOct 17 17:03
ThistleWebI can't see anywhere it tells me what it's updtaing, removing etc on that dialog box, or the addons boxOct 17 17:03
Ender2070go to the same place you would in firefoxOct 17 17:03
ThistleWebfirefox never gave me that dialog boxOct 17 17:03
Ender2070then its a bugOct 17 17:04
ThistleWebonly iceweasel doesOct 17 17:04
Ender2070stop being a tool and shoting DEBIANS EVILOct 17 17:04
Ender2070all you're doing is smearing it with allegations of wrong-doingOct 17 17:04
ThistleWebyou'll note I asked if anyone could tell me what it was trying to doOct 17 17:04
Ender2070its likely a bug, file itOct 17 17:04
ThistleWebsince it wasn't saying what it was doingOct 17 17:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Concerned Taxpayers of America supported by only two donors - http://wapo.st/bopnZN made my day... (via @Mlsif) #usOct 17 17:05
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Ender2070look, iceweasel does everything firefox doesOct 17 17:05
Ender2070and if its doing something strange, its a bugOct 17 17:05
Ender2070file the bug, stop bitching about it, Debian isn't doing anything nefariousOct 17 17:06
ThistleWeb<Ender2070> stop being a tool and shoting DEBIANS EVIL  << it's nice of you to represent me accurately......is what I'd be saying if you actually didOct 17 17:06
ThistleWebbut hey, we can't expect mirciles now can weOct 17 17:06
Ender2070http://thistleweb.co.uk/blog/17/10/2010/iceweasel-has-restartOct 17 17:06
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ThistleWebquote my text that states "DEBIAN IS EVIL" in shouty termsOct 17 17:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I uploaded some photos I took at the LOK (Linux in the Education Conference) http://goo.gl/6j54 !ubuntuhu #locoteamsOct 17 17:07
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Ender2070your whining about a bug and trying to demonize debian for itOct 17 17:07
ThistleWebevil is a religious term, I have never used it in company / project termsOct 17 17:08
Ender2070in a sense you're claiming wrong doingOct 17 17:08
ThistleWebI also rarely shout either in blog postsOct 17 17:08
Ender2070like they do it on purposeOct 17 17:08
Ender2070youOct 17 17:08
Ender2070stop being so literalOct 17 17:08
ThistleWebI was pointing out an issue I found in iceweasel in debianOct 17 17:08
ThistleWeban "odd" issueOct 17 17:08
Ender2070i never quoted youOct 17 17:08
ThistleWebI specifically remembered using the word "odd"Oct 17 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @bkuhn one correction in the blog post, Mark Shuttleworth made those comments here: http://ur1.ca/23he7 just thought you should know :)Oct 17 17:08
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Ender2070 It's an odd practice for Debian too, who are very open and transparent by design.Oct 17 17:09
ThistleWebyesOct 17 17:09
ThistleWebthey areOct 17 17:09
Ender2070This seems a very Windows-like practice to adopt. Can anyone explain what Iceweasel is actually doing and why it's required to hide it from the user?Oct 17 17:09
Ender2070why it's required to hide it from the user?Oct 17 17:09
Ender2070its notOct 17 17:09
Ender2070its called a bugOct 17 17:09
ThistleWebk, so it's a bug, will it get picked up and fixed now? probablyOct 17 17:10
ThistleWebso it's all goodOct 17 17:10
Ender2070did you grab the latest iceweasel from debian experimental and tryOct 17 17:10
ThistleWebno, I used the one in the squeeze reposOct 17 17:10
Ender2070your blog isn't a debian bugzillaOct 17 17:10
Ender2070debian experimental has the latest 3.6.10 iceweaselOct 17 17:10
Ender2070im converting it to fedora so I knowOct 17 17:11
ThistleWebno it's not, but debian people won't just reasd their own stuff I'd imagineOct 17 17:11
schestowitzMinceR: http://picasaweb.google.com/mogorvamormota/LOK2010Budapest#Oct 17 17:15
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schestowitzMinceR: http://picasaweb.google.com/mogorvamormota/LOK2010Budapest#5528962351647425650Oct 17 17:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Rooibos vanilla #tea... I love rooibos tea! <3Oct 17 17:22
amarsh04iceweasel/firefox will advise that it should be restarted if one of the libraries/packages it depends on has changed - I usually restart it a bit later after I've re-run prelinkOct 17 17:27
schestowitzhttp://www.kirotv.com/news/25382502/detail.htmlOct 17 17:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] The conference yesterday was awesome. I had the chance to demonstrate !Unity and GNOME Shell live. They were new for most of the audience.Oct 17 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Impact of Open Notebook Science - http://bit.ly/cZL4j0 great interview With Jean-Claude Bradley (via @P2P_Foundation) #openscienceOct 17 17:30
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schestowitzRebooting Nancy Pelosi http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/the-tech-observer/2010/10/15/nancy-pelosi-visits-microsoftOct 17 17:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Angry Birds: 1 Million Downloads in 1 Day - http://bit.ly/aeRd2s what's that about no games for Linux? #android #gamingOct 17 17:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody no _Windows_ games on GNU/Linux. As in, my "winmodem doesn't work in Linux"Oct 17 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core - http://bit.ly/c64Pg0 a nice denial of this would be welcome... #ubuntu #canonicalOct 17 17:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 31.4 KBOct 17 17:37
Ender2070so hes bitching about  pre-released software in pre-released repos in a pre-released distroOct 17 17:38
schestowitzhttp://www.kirotv.com/news/25382502/detail.htmlOct 17 17:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nancy Pelosi Visiting Microsoft's Redmond Campus  - News Story - KIRO Seattle .::. Size~: 85.88 KBOct 17 17:38
schestowitzoops. Wrong linkOct 17 17:38
Ender2070that has a bugOct 17 17:38
Ender2070and hes insisting debian is doing evilOct 17 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back from rehearsals. Now back to podcast editing...Oct 17 17:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody Mac Asay raved about 'open' core before Canonical took him on.Oct 17 17:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @schestowitz indeed: *he* did *before*: the issue is what is happening now at the top, no?Oct 17 17:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] This is something for @mjasay to [confirm|deny]: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core http://ur1.ca/23h7zOct 17 17:42
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schestowitz*LOL http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20101014005296/en/IDC-Credit-Microsoft-Creating-Unique-Replicating-CompetitionOct 17 17:43
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schestowitzPay to sayOct 17 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody I've inquiredOct 17 17:44
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ThistleWebamarsh04: re-run prelink? wtf is that?Oct 17 17:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] William Shatner worries about global warming - http://bit.ly/alU7yb I'm surprised and impressed #climatechange #startrekOct 17 17:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody and for the record, the UbuntuOne Fog Computing thing (paying for hosting) is OK with me, as long as server side is libreOct 17 17:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: William Shatner worries about global warming «  Climate Progress .::. Size~: 51.89 KBOct 17 17:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Starship meets #AdobeTrash [IMG] http://www.flickr.com/photos/edyson/5087675832Oct 17 17:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Soldier who served in Vietnam denied Second Amendment Rights because of $100 fine before he went to Vietnam http://ur1.ca/23hpn #wtfOct 17 17:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: In The Neutral Zone | Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 77.32 KBOct 17 17:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Is a Misdemeanor Sufficient Reason to Deny Second Amendment Rights? - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine .::. Size~: 60.85 KBOct 17 17:47
amarsh04prelink is a program that "modifies ELF shared libraries and ELF dynamically linked binaries in such  a way that the time needed for the dynamic linker to perform relocations at startup significantly decreases"Oct 17 17:47
ThistleWebuhm.....kOct 17 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody Shatner is right. A lot of people make a lot of money (e.g. selling books) for reinforcing+enhancing people's ignoranceOct 17 17:48
amarsh04I think most distros include prelinkOct 17 17:49
amarsh04some install it to run as a cron jobOct 17 17:49
ThistleWebso why would this appear in debian but not on ubuntu / mint?Oct 17 17:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] culinary lessons for life: Anything is a meal when wrapped in a tortilla :POct 17 17:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @schestowitz: This is something for @mjasay to [confirm|deny]: Canonical, Ltd. Finally On Record: Seeking Open Core http://ur1.ca/23h7zOct 17 17:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Delicious Bookmark: CRTL strcat Example: http://bit.ly/a32liwOct 17 17:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @schestowitz indeed; but I had always rather written him off in terms of serious stuff - my misjudgement...Oct 17 17:50
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amarsh04maybe either an update or prelink was running in the background when iceweasel was runningOct 17 17:51
ThistleWebit just appears to be so random, with no info on whyOct 17 17:52
amarsh04I disabled automatic updates and automatic prelinking, so that they happen when I deliberately choose to do themOct 17 17:52
ThistleWebthat's what confused me, no addon updates, nothing marked in the addon dialog as a reason, no "just updated"Oct 17 17:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan I'm in Spain where they still charge you 2-400€ for the latest phones even with contract, so basically cheapest Android.Oct 17 17:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How Xerox Invented the Information Age (and Gave it Away) | Cracked.com http://ping.fm/B9BPKOct 17 17:53
Ender2070its called a bugOct 17 17:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How Xerox Invented the Information Age (and Gave it Away) | Cracked.com .::. Size~: 103.75 KBOct 17 17:54
Ender2070you're running testingOct 17 17:54
Ender2070its a no brainerOct 17 17:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @gotunandan, thanks for pointing it out. I've fixed blog post (& credited you with pointing it out). OMG !Ubuntu's reformatting confused me.Oct 17 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Wonder why many apps in #Android market have access to position and internet apparently w/o real needOct 17 17:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @bkuhn Uff, that link leads to spam city!! :( *shudder*Oct 17 17:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @richslxh,yeah,I didn't notice that until after typing it. I guess #StatusNet @support hasn't had time to maintain that site since launchingOct 17 18:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Crackle launches first full movie service application on !Android | Android Central http://ping.fm/BnFsZOct 17 18:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Crackle launches first full movie service application on Android | Android Central .::. Size~: 74.9 KBOct 17 18:05
schestowitz_Goblin: Ina Freak spin: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20019143-56.htmlOct 17 18:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Angry Birds miffed over Microsoft miscue | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 190.55 KBOct 17 18:09
schestowitzMicrosoft pretends it was an accidentOct 17 18:10
schestowitzThat's the "damage control"Oct 17 18:10
schestowitzin MSNBC tooOct 17 18:10
schestowitzThe very INDEPENDENT news siteOct 17 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: I am Open Source Consultant and own a start-up company ! Do let me know if you need better services and... http://bit.ly/cGjRDDOct 17 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Motorola asks court to invalidate Apple patents, preempt another lawsuit - http://ur1.ca/23gih - gonna see more of that.Oct 17 18:10
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Motorola asks court to invalidate Apple patents, preempt another lawsuit -- Engadget .::. Size~: 62.74 KBOct 17 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @nsisodiya excellent!Oct 17 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] jQuery + OData + Netflix Catalog API demo: http://bit.ly/9pwC5ZOct 17 18:14
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schestowitzhttp://www.fonearena.com/blog/24394/verizon-ceo-dumps-microsoft.htmlOct 17 18:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.itworld.com/business/123470/microsoft-rim-deal-might-have-meritOct 17 18:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft-RIM deal might have merit | ITworld .::. Size~: 79.18 KBOct 17 18:16
schestowitzTwo proprietary onesOct 17 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @bkuhn no problem. Your posts are highly informative and are a good read :)Oct 17 18:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Buying Adobe Is "Nonsense," Says Kara Swisher http://ur1.ca/23i0x Might Adobe buy Microsoft one day?Oct 17 18:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @glynmoody, Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming.Oct 17 18:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @richslxh Ahh... do a bit more research and see which one suits you. I chose the n1 because it is given preference by google and is hackableOct 17 18:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | I Think I May Have Reported A Bug http://bit.ly/cL0jZlOct 17 18:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: I Think I May Have Reported A Bug | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 15.88 KBOct 17 18:25
schestowitzhttp://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/361732/ubuntu-we-wont-moan-to-eu-about-microsoftOct 17 18:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu: we won't moan to EU about Microsoft | News | PC Pro .::. Size~: 43.75 KBOct 17 18:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] #Epic #Win what happens when you violate GPL http://lwn.net/Articles/409864/ #HTCOct 17 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bkuhn Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming.Oct 17 18:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Re: kernel panic about pagemap_read  [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 7.24 KBOct 17 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[geekybodhi/@geekybodhi] If you sometimes deliberately act dumb, are you being smart?Oct 17 18:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @pmate Star Wars in #ascii-art: http://ur1.ca/23i3i !debian !debianizzatiOct 17 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG, why? Why? Why do people do such a terrible thing like that? And by the way, why is this featured on OMG! Ubuntu!? http://goo.gl/Ot2SOct 17 18:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Forum Italiano Debian - Debianizzati.Org &bull; Leggi argomento - Per tutti gli appassionati di Star Wars .::. Size~: 18.76 KBOct 17 18:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dual-screen version of Ubuntu 10.10′s default wallpaper .::. Size~: 30.51 KBOct 17 18:34
_Goblinschestowitz: "Will support all relevant platforms" - So then thats Windows Phone 7 off the list....Oct 17 18:42
MinceR:>Oct 17 18:44
MinceRalong with hypeOSOct 17 18:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gotunandan I don't mind paying 100 bucks as long as I get net/web access + apps, hackable is always a plus :)Oct 17 18:44
schestowitz_Goblin: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/10/05/a-microsoft-slate-by-christmas-ceo-promises/Oct 17 18:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   A Microsoft Slate by Christmas, CEO Promises - Digits - WSJ .::. Size~: 86.34 KBOct 17 18:44
schestowitzWatch photoOct 17 18:44
schestowitzMinceR: don't insult BSD developers' hard labourOct 17 18:45
MinceRschestowitz: it's not the BSD developers' work that made hypeOS irrelevantOct 17 18:45
schestowitzIt's not their fault Blows took their work and raised expectationsOct 17 18:45
MinceRit's the crApple marketroids' hard work at turning the result of the BSD developers' hard work into something useless and hostileOct 17 18:46
schestowitzhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/soundeconomywithjontalton/2013077894_goldman_only_wants_good_things.htmlOct 17 18:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sound Economy with Jon Talton | Goldman only wants good things for Microsoft. Really... | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 53.58 KBOct 17 18:46
schestowitzCorruptors' sympathyOct 17 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New Oh !Canada blog post: "Must Read" http://ur1.ca/23i9g !BillC32 #RadicalExtremism #BalancedCopyright #geist #IrwinLaw !copyrightOct 17 18:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Must Read «  Oh! Canada .::. Size~: 30.84 KBOct 17 18:49
gnufreexschestowitz: Which companies are making WP7 devices? (Ones that anounced)Oct 17 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] To all music lovers from !crunchbang !debian !linux groups, get yourselves over to !rr Live tonight Web & IRC http://ratholeradio.org/live/Oct 17 18:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Live | RatholeRadio.org .::. Size~: 18.68 KBOct 17 18:54
schestowitzMicrosoft persuaded SamsungOct 17 18:54
gnufreexThat's it?Oct 17 18:54
schestowitzBut Microsoft was like, "ow.... I don't know... you're kind of ugly"Oct 17 18:54
schestowitzgnufreex: HTCOct 17 18:54
gnufreexOh yes..Oct 17 18:54
schestowitzAfter threat of lawsuit over AndroidOct 17 18:54
MinceRHTC needs to grow a pairOct 17 18:54
schestowitzSamsung and LG are big MSFT buddiesOct 17 18:55
schestowitzLG just signed some Fog Computing deal with the VoledOct 17 18:55
schestowitz*VoleOct 17 18:55
MinceRs/uddi/itch/Oct 17 18:55
MinceRFTFYOct 17 18:55
schestowitzAnd they have swpatsOct 17 18:55
gnufreexSo nobody voluntarily suports Vista Phone 7Oct 17 18:55
schestowitzThey were the first to sign a ballnux deal... 2007Oct 17 18:55
MinceRnobody voluntarily cares about kin7Oct 17 18:55
MinceR:>Oct 17 18:55
schestowitzPayment sofr Android/Bad-AOct 17 18:55
gnufreexMaybe Novell make a phoneOct 17 18:56
MinceRlolOct 17 18:56
schestowitzHeheOct 17 18:56
schestowitzThey can't even make softwareOct 17 18:56
gnufreexThey fit a descriptionOct 17 18:56
schestowitzThey make .NET copycatOct 17 18:56
schestowitz"Tell us what you do Microsoft"Oct 17 18:56
schestowitz"Give us some MS-PLed code"Oct 17 18:56
gnufreexIt doesn't need to really work. It doesn't have copy/pase anyways.Oct 17 18:57
schestowitz"We'll slap a monkey piccie on it and sell it for the hypeCrowd"Oct 17 18:57
schestowitzgnufreex: it's a FEATUREOct 17 18:57
schestowitzRemember:Oct 17 18:57
schestowitzCopying="piracy"Oct 17 18:57
gnufreex"We don't infringe. And we forbid our users, too"Oct 17 18:58
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/03/21/dumbed-down-tablets-or-phones/Oct 17 18:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Are Proprietary Software Users Too Dangerous for Copying and Pasting? | Techrights .::. Size~: 109.5 KBOct 17 18:58
schestowitzAnd later: http://techrights.org/2010/10/12/heavily-marketed-relics/Oct 17 18:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Vista Phone 7 [sic] is Where Microsoft Partners Come to Die | Techrights .::. Size~: 95.82 KBOct 17 18:58
gnufreexWindows is for kidz. Now we have proof.Oct 17 18:58
schestowitzgnufreex: I had a one-hour chat with a friend over it this eveningOct 17 18:58
schestowitzBasically, he's brainwashed by the  copyright cartelOct 17 18:58
schestowitzIt took me time to undo the brainwashOct 17 18:59
schestowitzAnd he also thinks that the Internet in 10 years will be all censorship-basedOct 17 18:59
gnufreexOh dearOct 17 18:59
schestowitzgnufreex: Vita Phone 7 is like crayonOct 17 19:00
schestowitzYou can chew it and no poison control neededOct 17 19:00
schestowitzgnufreex: but it came from another directionOct 17 19:00
schestowitzNot wikileaks and allOct 17 19:01
schestowitzIt started with kids getting to pr0n and death pics by accidentOct 17 19:01
schestowitze.g. Google ImagesOct 17 19:01
schestowitzAnd I knew this guy as a kid, back when kids had to find the dirty magazines to get access to such materialOct 17 19:01
gnufreexlolOct 17 19:01
schestowitzNow you have very young kids seeing this stuffOct 17 19:02
schestowitzLOLWTF? http://views.washingtonpost.com/on-success/rapid-reinvention/2010/10/_erin_honeycomb_is_a.htmlOct 17 19:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Going for It: Rapid Reinvention: Yoga with Microsoft's Erin Honeycutt - Avis Thomas-Lester .::. Size~: 45.44 KBOct 17 19:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @bkuhn Been trying to get !Canonical to deny their desire for #Open_Core for 1.5 years (as blog says). I don't think it's forthcoming.Oct 17 19:03
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/should-microsoft-become-multiple-mini-microsofts/7560Oct 17 19:05
gnufreexWTF is this?Oct 17 19:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Should Microsoft become multiple mini-Microsofts? | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 136.65 KBOct 17 19:05
gnufreexThey do yogi with Microsofties?Oct 17 19:05
schestowitzgnufreex: #pressfailOct 17 19:05
schestowitzYugoOct 17 19:05
schestowitzAll Rights ReservedOct 17 19:05
gnufreexlol, YugoOct 17 19:06
gnufreexBest car everOct 17 19:06
ThistleWebsmarter than the average car?Oct 17 19:06
ThistleWebyayeeeeOct 17 19:06
gnufreexno, the dumbestOct 17 19:06
schestowitzMicrosoft has yoga-fu http://kotaku.com/5654739/microsoft-japan-employee-arrested-for-fondling-a-schoolgirlOct 17 19:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Japan Employee Arrested For Fondling A Schoolgirl .::. Size~: 78.96 KBOct 17 19:07
ThistleWebdidn't get the yogi bear joke thenOct 17 19:07
schestowitzhttp://topnews.net.nz/content/28625-microsoft-catches-nz-web-sites-and-it-can-get-real-uglyOct 17 19:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft catches NZ web sites and it can get real ugly  | TopNews New Zealand .::. Size~: 32.55 KBOct 17 19:08
schestowitzgnufreex: http://www.twice.com/article/457897-Samsung_Microsoft_Sign_Win_7_Pact.phpOct 17 19:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Samsung, Microsoft Sign Win 7 Pact - 2010-10-01 18:17:18 | TWICE .::. Size~: 51.32 KBOct 17 19:10
schestowitzMicrosoft got sweaty and Samsung got cold feetOct 17 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Did Facebook fuck up AGAIN privacy-wise? OoOct 17 19:10
gnufreexYeah, Samsung had their OSOct 17 19:10
gnufreexBada or somethingOct 17 19:10
schestowitzIna Freak spin: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20018286-56.htmlOct 17 19:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft promotes three to division president | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 105.76 KBOct 17 19:11
schestowitzReality: exodusOct 17 19:11
cubevectorwow that's a way better name than crappaOct 17 19:11
schestowitzSpin: WOW! Promot~1~~~Oct 17 19:12
gnufreexDoes Motorla have cross-deal with Samsung? They should hit them.Oct 17 19:12
schestowitzgnufreex: Bad-AOct 17 19:12
schestowitzMinceR calls it thatOct 17 19:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Dude.... I had maybe one hour free time this weekend... With all the Audacity fail I've been editing for over 16 hrs straight now.Oct 17 19:12
cubevectorgot a mic today, so experimenting :)Oct 17 19:12
schestowitzIt's a skinned AndroidOct 17 19:12
MinceRBad A is just a reskinned android?Oct 17 19:12
gnufreexReally?Oct 17 19:12
MinceRi thought it was brand newOct 17 19:12
schestowitzCan you skin an Android?Oct 17 19:12
gnufreexI also thought it is newOct 17 19:12
schestowitzThey usually have metallic finishOct 17 19:13
gnufreexAlso read somewhere that is microkernel or suchOct 17 19:13
gnufreexBut all liesOct 17 19:13
MinceRif you can skin a GUI then you can also skin an androidOct 17 19:13
MinceRgnufreex: nope, it's Linux-basedOct 17 19:13
schestowitzMinceR: lowercase androidOct 17 19:13
schestowitzThey are not furryOct 17 19:13
MinceR:>Oct 17 19:14
schestowitzHannibaloidOct 17 19:14
schestowitzSweatyB has reasons to leap http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101001-709079.htmlOct 17 19:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft CEO's Compensation Rose 5.5% To $1.4M In Latest Year - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 126.24 KBOct 17 19:15
schestowitzhttp://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/10/01/243120/BAE-Systems-readies-desktop-and-Microsoft-App-V-virtualisation-with.htmOct 17 19:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BAE Systems readies desktop and Microsoft App-V virtualisation with Camwood - 10/1/2010 - Computer Weekly .::. Size~: 68.97 KBOct 17 19:15
schestowitzWho ever started this stupid rumour? http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/10/1/microsoft-rumoured-be-buying-linden-lab/Oct 17 19:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error .::. Size~: 0 KBOct 17 19:16
schestowitzhttp://www.tomshardware.com/news/Second-Life-Linden-Lab-Mark-Kingdon-virtual-World-Xbox,11402.htmlOct 17 19:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft May Buy Second Life Developer .::. Size~: 111.2 KBOct 17 19:16
gnufreexIt is amusing how obvious Microsoft shills are denying in comments. It is becoming hard to cover up the obvious.Oct 17 19:17
schestowitzFunny logo: http://technologizer.com/2010/09/30/how-many-spaces-users-are-there-anyhow/Oct 17 19:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   How Many Spaces Users Are There, Anyhow?     .::. Size~: 45.81 KBOct 17 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft fraud examiner selling Redmond 4BD http://ur1.ca/23iht, Has he been looking inside his employer?Oct 17 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How propaganda is disseminated: WikiLeaks Edition - http://bit.ly/cWLd6F good blog report on newspaper failings (via @dangillmor) #ironyOct 17 19:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ur1 Generator .::. Size~: 1.93 KBOct 17 19:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How propaganda is disseminated:  WikiLeaks Edition - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com .::. Size~: 85.52 KBOct 17 19:20
schestowitzhttp://www.techeye.net/business/billy-goats-unite-behind-microsoftOct 17 19:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Billy goats unite behind Microsoft - To clear out patent trolls | TechEye .::. Size~: 25.76 KBOct 17 19:22
gnufreexschestowitz: Did you read bkuhn comment on shuttleworth?Oct 17 19:22
gnufreexI think we have the reason why UF are hostile to free sofwareOct 17 19:22
gnufreexThey want community that would accept OpenCoreOct 17 19:22
gnufreexas Good ThingOct 17 19:22
schestowitzOK, this is weird...Oct 17 19:24
gnufreexSo anyone who advocates free software is threat to canonicalOct 17 19:24
schestowitzWhy does Google say it indexed 73,700  pages in techright?Oct 17 19:24
schestowitz*rightOct 17 19:24
schestowitz*>rightsOct 17 19:24
schestowitzgnufreex: naaaOct 17 19:24
schestowitzYou think too farOct 17 19:24
schestowitzAnd I don't like KuhnOct 17 19:25
schestowitzConceited New YorkerOct 17 19:25
schestowitzAnd self righteous at that...Oct 17 19:25
schestowitzhe always looks for dirt on UbuntuOct 17 19:25
schestowitzI can only guess whyOct 17 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh Sheesh! Ok, i'll take that back, this time you have been busy! :)Oct 17 19:25
gnufreexI think he nailed it pretty well.Oct 17 19:25
schestowitzlolz http://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2779793Oct 17 19:28
gnufreexThey want to make open core stuff, they don't care for community. They are effectively breaking community. Also, Teo Tso wrote on LWN.net same thing some time ago.Oct 17 19:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Has Microsoft developed the best browser ever? - Peterborough Examiner - Ontario, CA .::. Size~: 78.26 KBOct 17 19:29
schestowitzgnufreex: re Ubuntu?Oct 17 19:29
gnufreexYesOct 17 19:29
schestowitzHe also complained about Debian "jihad" or somethingOct 17 19:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google is being strange today, claiming to have indexed 73,600 pages in !techrights even though we have ~15,000Oct 17 19:29
schestowitzT'so is Google now, right?Oct 17 19:29
schestowitzFrom IBMOct 17 19:29
gnufreexHe was talking about Shuttleworth in that reply.Oct 17 19:29
schestowitzThey are like Linus... don't care about freedomOct 17 19:29
gnufreexYes, Tso is at Google.Oct 17 19:29
schestowitzTso=AndroidOct 17 19:29
schestowitzHypocrite!Oct 17 19:29
schestowitzCanonical is more free than GoogleOct 17 19:30
gnufreexYou sound like lefty: jra=android; google firewalOct 17 19:30
schestowitzThen there's JRAOct 17 19:30
schestowitzYesOct 17 19:30
schestowitzbeat me to itOct 17 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] NCIS taking on chat roulette? That show really loves its Internet memes.... :)Oct 17 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh ;) I hope I get some time to chill tomorrow so I can tackle our !minecraft server....Oct 17 19:30
schestowitzBut..Oct 17 19:30
schestowitzI was looking for a way to defend JRA hereOct 17 19:30
schestowitzThe press turns this agitator into an idol now..Oct 17 19:31
schestowitzhttp://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/10/apples_enemy_is_microsofts_fri.phpOct 17 19:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple's Enemy Is Microsoft's Friend - Seattle News - The Daily Weekly .::. Size~: 94.72 KBOct 17 19:31
schestowitzSeattle pressOct 17 19:31
schestowitzAnd Microsoft bribes herOct 17 19:31
schestowitzShe's posing like she's an east European wife for saleOct 17 19:31
schestowitzProbably some FB crapOct 17 19:31
MinceRDFB*Oct 17 19:33
gnufreexschestowitz: http://lwn.net/Articles/399380/Oct 17 19:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Copyright assignment - Once bitten, twice shy (The H) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 12.52 KBOct 17 19:33
MinceRwhat/who's JRA?Oct 17 19:34
gnufreexJeremy AllisonOct 17 19:35
schestowitzJeremaOct 17 19:35
schestowitznmOct 17 19:35
schestowitzJIRA!Oct 17 19:35
gnufreexlolOct 17 19:35
schestowitz[15:41] <Diablo-D3> ergo, redhat has jiraOct 17 19:35
schestowitz[15:41] <nenolod> it's jira.jboss.orgOct 17 19:35
schestowitz[15:40] <nenolod> where is redhat's jiraOct 17 19:35
schestowitzWhat's my $%##@# name?Oct 17 19:36
schestowitzJigga!Oct 17 19:36
schestowitzAnd who I'm rollin' with?Oct 17 19:36
schestowitzMy ...Oct 17 19:36
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIA7tuBqqYOct 17 19:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - Jay-Z - Jigga What, Jigga Who   .::. Size~: 160.08 KBOct 17 19:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh You've got a minecraft server? Cool! I'm always up for testing Alpha games.Oct 17 19:37
MinceRJigga Jigga!Oct 17 19:37
schestowitzYo Dawg, I herd you hard my JIRA has buffer overflowsOct 17 19:38
MinceRWelcome to the main arena!Oct 17 19:38
schestowitzCome debug my on my BenzOct 17 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh Talking of Chat Roulette, this guy is awesome: http://richs-lxh.com/chatroulette-guy-on-linux-penguin-chicken/Oct 17 19:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle:    Chatroulette Guy on Linux Penguin = Chicken - Father, Husband, Linux Geek& .::. Size~: 29.03 KBOct 17 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @bkuhn that's particular notice reminds me of #Eben's "I didn’t have any date tonight. Everybody knows that. My calendar’s on the web." :)Oct 17 19:40
schestowitzhttp://seekingalpha.com/article/227519-steve-jobs-quest-for-global-dominanceOct 17 19:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Steve Jobs' Quest for Global Dominance -- Seeking Alpha .::. Size~: 96.75 KBOct 17 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @richslxh @fabsh Talking of Chat Roulette, this guy is awesome: http://richs-lxh.com/chatroulette-guy-on-linux-penguin-chicken/Oct 17 19:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle:    Chatroulette Guy on Linux Penguin = Chicken - Father, Husband, Linux Geek& .::. Size~: 29.03 KBOct 17 19:42
schestowitzhttp://www1.albawaba.com/news/microsoft-jordan-organizes-startup-pitch-session-cooperation-oasis500Oct 17 19:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Jordan organizes a Startup Pitch session in cooperation with Oasis500 | Al Bawaba .::. Size~: 37.58 KBOct 17 19:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @osamak: Oracle asked the founders of #TDF and LibreOffice to leave the OO.o Community Council http://ur1.ca/23crp !gnuOct 17 19:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Developers Story | Oracle Asks OpenOffice Community Members To Leave .::. Size~: 179.87 KBOct 17 19:45
nenolodschestowitz: i do, but i don't actually use itOct 17 19:47
nenolodschestowitz: i'm trying to figure out how to connect it and twitterOct 17 19:48
schestowitznever mind, in case you will...Oct 17 19:49
schestowitznenolod: it's simpleOct 17 19:49
schestowitzidenti.ca has option to carbon-copy to twitter acctOct 17 19:49
schestowitzI used to use ping.fmOct 17 19:49
nenolodyeahOct 17 19:49
nenolodi want the other directionOct 17 19:49
nenolodi like twitter's UIOct 17 19:49
nenolodidentica's makes me sadOct 17 19:49
*schestowitz adds http://identi.ca/nenolodOct 17 19:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: William Pitcock (nenolod)  - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 14.4 KBOct 17 19:49
nenolodyesOct 17 19:49
nenolodi have 1 tweetOct 17 19:49
nenolodasking the current moron in charge of audacious in debian why he is ruining itOct 17 19:49
nenolod:DOct 17 19:49
nenolodactuallyOct 17 19:50
nenolodhe is not so badOct 17 19:50
nenolodhe wants to replace emulation parts of audacious-plugins with GPLv2-only code that is more accurateOct 17 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Not yet..... ;)Oct 17 19:51
schestowitzhttp://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xmlOct 17 19:51
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schestowitz"Audacious is a XMMS look-alike written in GTK 2. It supports XMMS skins but does not behave exactly like XMMS. Several plugins are available like audacious-docklet that displays an icon in the systemtray, audtty that allows you to control audacious in the command line, audacious-crossfade that allows continuous output and crossfading and a lot more to come or already available. There is a thread on the forums where you can requestOct 17 19:52
schestowitzplugin ports."Oct 17 19:52
schestowitzThe Swedish guy had that funny photo for "goodbye Gentoo"Oct 17 19:52
nenolodoh, with what's his nameOct 17 19:52
schestowitzxmms hardly works anymoreOct 17 19:52
schestowitzOSSOct 17 19:52
schestowitzsomethingsonOct 17 19:52
nenolodaudacious supports multiple UIsOct 17 19:52
nenolodoh shitOct 17 19:53
nenolodi found "symantec revolution"Oct 17 19:54
nenolodi forgot about thisOct 17 19:54
nenolodi wonder if microsoft has a song like thisOct 17 19:54
schestowitzhttp://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-employees-bored-2010-9Oct 17 19:54
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schestowitzBeen hearing the same from brother's friend..Oct 17 19:54
schestowitzThey die out of boredomOct 17 19:54
schestowitzhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/study_microsoft_has_fallen_off_the_mainstream_medias_radar.htmlOct 17 19:54
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schestowitzNonchalance kills themOct 17 19:54
nenolodhttp://nenolod.net/~nenolod/Symantec_Revolution.mp3Oct 17 19:54
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nenoloderOct 17 19:55
schestowitzmp3?Oct 17 19:55
schestowitzmpeg-laOct 17 19:55
nenolodok, and?Oct 17 19:55
schestowitzIt's a good thing we have firefox nowOct 17 19:55
schestowitzSo when I send people oggs they can play theseOct 17 19:55
nenolodi'm not transcoding something that is already in mp3Oct 17 19:56
amarsh04the only audio player that has lower cpu than xmms 1.2 that I've found has been moc (Music On Console)Oct 17 19:56
nenolodplus most of the mp3 patents are expiredOct 17 19:56
nenolodamarsh04: have you even tried audacious with gtkui?Oct 17 19:56
nenolodit uses 0% CPU hereOct 17 19:56
nenolodand i'm clocked down to 933mhz right nowOct 17 19:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn Biggest difference between #Red_Hat and #Canonical is Red Hat shows some capacity to acknowledge and learn from mistakesOct 17 19:57
amarsh04not sure if it's packaged for Debian... audacious took an order of magnitude more cpu than xmms 1.2Oct 17 19:57
schestowitzmplayer from cli?Oct 17 19:57
schestowitznot verboseOct 17 19:57
amarsh04that is also a possibility schestowitzOct 17 19:57
cubevectorfirst audio blog is done... just a short oneOct 17 19:57
cubevectorhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/audio-blog-1.mp3Oct 17 19:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana [RHT] Biggest difference between #Red_Hat and #Canonical is Red Hat shows some capacity to acknowledge and learn from mistakesOct 17 19:59
nenolodsymantec has a corporate theme songOct 17 19:59
nenolodi just want to remark how depressing that isOct 17 19:59
nenolodthey probably paid like $250k for it tooOct 17 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn it still feels like infighting. Canonical is not our real problem at the moment and @mjasay can clarifyOct 17 20:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn #swpats are a bigger issue than #Open_Core IMHO. Far bigger.Oct 17 20:01
schestowitz"No more soup for you!!!" http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/34694/Microsoft-reduces-TechNet-keys http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/9/27/microsoft-drops-technet-key-allowance/ errr.... OKOct 17 20:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @schestowitz that is probably unfair of me. Rather I will just say: I think Canonical is making some bad policy decisions.Oct 17 20:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fontana Red Hat's too sometimes. Fog Computing, software patents, NDAs over settlements, and the list goes on. Canonical is not much worse.Oct 17 20:04
nenolodi'm not sure what you mean by fog computingOct 17 20:04
nenolodEC2 or Google Apps?Oct 17 20:04
nenolodi'm guessing Google Apps, since EC2 is just virtualization on demand tied up with an APIOct 17 20:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn you mean the era of the Red Baron web browser :-)Oct 17 20:05
schestowitzhttp://www.arnnet.com.au/article/362101/microsofting_juniper_networks/Oct 17 20:08
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schestowitznenolod: data in someone else's handsOct 17 20:08
nenolodso Google Apps, then.Oct 17 20:09
schestowitzAs a phenomenon, yesOct 17 20:10
schestowitzhttp://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=11694740Oct 17 20:10
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schestowitznenolod: too many Google fan[people]Oct 17 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, I'd actually forgotten about #Red_Baron until you just mentioned it, but that was one proprietary app among *many* in old #RedHat.Oct 17 20:10
schestowitzWilling to subs foss for fogOct 17 20:10
schestowitzthe !microsoft crowdOct 17 20:10
schestowitzAppleOct 17 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] testing twitter <-> identi.ca integration, don't mind me.Oct 17 20:12
nenolodokOct 17 20:12
nenolodwtfOct 17 20:12
nenolodohOct 17 20:13
nenolodhey it worksOct 17 20:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Can Art Do Technology And Social Change? - http://www.axisweb.org/dlForum.aspx?ESSAYID=18115Oct 17 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn at the same time, #Red_Hat pointed the way to a new direction with the release of RMS Linux, a historical turning point :-)Oct 17 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] actually, as ugly as identi.ca's UI is, it's much faster than #newtwitter. i think i'll just post from it until i find a decent client.Oct 17 20:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Having spent the afternoon at Frieze I now have nothing in the cupboard to eat. There's a lesson here about art that I refuse to acknowledgeOct 17 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evilOct 17 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @fontana I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evilOct 17 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, PLEASE do write essay on why contribution agreements are #evil (although OTOH IMO it is possible to do a community-friendly one).Oct 17 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "universal constructors" on Jamendo.com. go now. *now*. seriously. "lounge blizzard" and "wonky disco" FTW! ur1.ca/23iykOct 17 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, IMO that's not a fair assessment of !Canonical Ltd b/c it's much younger than #Red_Hat. It may learn yet. (cf: Founder's syndrome)Oct 17 20:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I don't have a problem with trusted FLOSS NPOs aggregating developer copyrights (I think you have influenced my thinking there)Oct 17 20:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] "being always connected,always accessible or interruptible,&with music blaring most of the time, gets in the way of thinking" #Stroustrup !qOct 17 20:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, the key to that is doing the right kind of promise-back to developers what the non-profit organization can do with the code later.Oct 17 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] @schestowitz #Open_Core (copyright reassignment) is a pretty big deal - it's one of the things that has really held GNU back at times.Oct 17 20:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] (infact, #Open_Core is one of the talking points the BSD community used to use when comparing itself to GNU...)Oct 17 20:22
schestowitz"they index archive listings, categories and other useless pages; using meta robots noindex,follow on such pages should fix it" http://identi.ca/conversation/56021347#notice-56505181Oct 17 20:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Omfg! has anybody tried Collier's Welsh cheddar? My wife found some in a Spanish supermarket. Unbe-flippin-lievable! #cheeseloveOct 17 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I think it is difficult to make legally bulletproof promise back, which is why I think degree of trust in the organization mattersOct 17 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @nenolod #Open_Core is one of the talking points the BSD community used to use when comparing itself to GNU...Oct 17 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana I really ought to write that essay on why contribution agreements are evilOct 17 20:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] I now really really really want a reprap or a makerbot. And I really really really really need to finish learning Blender.Oct 17 20:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @webmaven: Very interesting article on FB vs. Twitter: is.gd/g5Nrj Commercialization implications for federated #sn groups functionality?Oct 17 20:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just setup a blip.tv account and posted a text .ogv, it works a treatOct 17 20:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #libreoffice is biased, so I'd wait for confirmation from Oracle that they abolish OOo community members. http://ur1.ca/227ylOct 17 20:57
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schestowitzThistleWeb: URL/Oct 17 20:58
schestowitz?Oct 17 20:58
schestowitzLinux demos?Oct 17 20:58
ThistleWebit's linux mint and drupalOct 17 20:58
ThistleWebthats the ideaOct 17 20:59
ThistleWebright now there's only a 17 or so second test castOct 17 20:59
schestowitzwhat's the direct url of the ogv?Oct 17 20:59
schestowitzI want to put that in daily linkOct 17 20:59
schestowitzWould get it a few thousands of d/lsOct 17 20:59
ThistleWebbut as it grows, yeah it will be beginner level linux mint tutorials and drawing attention to lesser known drupal modulesOct 17 20:59
schestowitzI need oggsOct 17 21:00
schestowitzI use tinyoggs for nowOct 17 21:00
ThistleWebhttp://thistleweb.blip.tv/Oct 17 21:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Digital Prism Screencast on blip.tv  .::. Size~: 21.87 KBOct 17 21:00
schestowitzI just need ogg urlOct 17 21:00
ThistleWebI'll need to find thatOct 17 21:01
ThistleWebI just joined like 15mins agoOct 17 21:01
schestowitzhow do I get to the ogg?Oct 17 21:02
schestowitzThey changed the UIOct 17 21:02
schestowitzI once managed to do thatOct 17 21:02
schestowitzin different formatsOct 17 21:02
schestowitzCool. Scottish accentOct 17 21:03
schestowitzThey Flashify OggOct 17 21:04
schestowitzWhich isn't esp. helpfulOct 17 21:04
ThistleWebI uploaded a ogv staright from recordmydesktop without any conversionOct 17 21:04
ThistleWebyeah they doOct 17 21:04
ThistleWebthey gave a link to the file before they converted it, I'm having a look through the dashboardOct 17 21:05
schestowitzthanksOct 17 21:07
schestowitzCause we can put all the vids past the Daily LinksOct 17 21:07
schestowitzTo give them exposureOct 17 21:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] HelloOct 17 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] ♺ @louisdedecker: RT @InsideRIA: First release of jQuery Mobile http://oreil.ly/d0i28yOct 17 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] If you can't think what to say, say "hello"Oct 17 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gianugo Rabellino joins Microsoft and already throws FUD at fine Free software projects. Maybe it's genetic. #microsoft #allergyOct 17 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nenolod/@nenolod] and a bugzilla bug is filed for the uclibc build failure: https://bugs.busybox.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2713 - now time for sleeping.Oct 17 21:08
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ThistleWebtyOct 17 21:08
ThistleWebyeah I can't see anything obvious, but as I said, I just joined, so maybe it's thereOct 17 21:09
schestowitzIf not I can upload it to our serverOct 17 21:10
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Viper550re http://techrights.org/2010/10/16/acid-test-and-winphone7/Oct 17 21:11
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schestowitzwe already have gigs of videos thereOct 17 21:11
Viper550Well, they SAID it wasn't based off IE9.Oct 17 21:11
schestowitzIE9 sucksOct 17 21:11
schestowitzRAM+CPUOct 17 21:11
Viper550but its engine is better than "in between IE7 and IE8"Oct 17 21:11
*cubeman_ is now known as cubevectorOct 17 21:11
schestowitzMade in sweatshopsOct 17 21:11
nenolodIE9 is better than IE8 as far as font rendering quality goesOct 17 21:12
cubevectorhaven't even looked at IE in yearsOct 17 21:12
schestowitzI touched it yesterdayOct 17 21:12
schestowitzTo test a connection on another machineOct 17 21:12
schestowitzF5Oct 17 21:12
schestowitzI'm getting a new router tomorrowOct 17 21:12
nenolodbut i've usually found that windows's font rendering has been depressing compared to freetype and OS XOct 17 21:13
schestowitzThis one keeps dropping my off since SundayOct 17 21:13
schestowitzLast oneOct 17 21:13
cubevectorwith routers those tiny ac adapters tend to goOct 17 21:13
cubevectorso I keep sparesOct 17 21:13
nenolodi do all my routing on a ciscoOct 17 21:14
schestowitzSpares for the spares of the sparesOct 17 21:14
nenolodat&t is going to be very confused on fridayOct 17 21:14
nenolodlolzOct 17 21:14
schestowitzcubevector: you lost the connection there for a secondOct 17 21:14
schestowitzBut logs did not miss a thingOct 17 21:14
schestowitzI'll probably get them off your machine tomorrow after I set up a new routerOct 17 21:15
cubevectorheh trueOct 17 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Listening to @fabsh interview on This Week In Fedora podcast. Interesting to hear about his background and experience in FOSS.Oct 17 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @kevie: rathole radio just started the live broadcast :) !rrOct 17 21:15
schestowitzBeen logging without loss since 2008Oct 17 21:15
nenolodif you need a place to run a logbot, i could set up a VM for itOct 17 21:15
schestowitzMaybe I lost a few lines here and thereOct 17 21:15
cubevectorwell if your ISP goes, you goOct 17 21:16
cubevectorunless you have multiple ISPsOct 17 21:16
schestowitzI have multiple locations for itOct 17 21:16
schestowitzAt least twoOct 17 21:16
schestowitznenolod: thanksOct 17 21:16
nenolodlet me know tomorrowOct 17 21:16
schestowitzcubevector: a friend of mine near London has multiple ISPsOct 17 21:16
schestowitzhe lives in remote locationOct 17 21:17
cubevectorif you can afford it, why notOct 17 21:17
schestowitzSo he sets it up so that when one goes down the conduit falls over to the other channelOct 17 21:17
schestowitzcubevector: he needs it for work and he's a BT execs, so it's cheapOct 17 21:18
cubevectorah well thenOct 17 21:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listen to !RatholeRadio now OR ELSE!!!! http://ratholeradio.orgOct 17 21:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] re: "The Social network": I always assumed that Facebook's stickiness was due more to its status updates than to its early exclusivity...Oct 17 21:20
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ThistleWebschestowitz: as yet I dunno how to give an ogv only feed, but this one lists both the flv and ogv http://thistleweb.blip.tv/rssOct 17 21:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !ratholeradio is on! !rrOct 17 21:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Would I be too geeky by saying that the true heroes of "The Social Network" were Linux, PHP, MySQL, Apache (w/ nods to wget and Perl)?Oct 17 21:23
ThistleWebI do plan to have a screencast section on my site, with embedded video from there, I may be able to create an ogv feed from that, I'll see what I can doOct 17 21:23
cubevectorit would be kind of interesting to hear what everyone sounds likeOct 17 21:24
ThistleWebI've kinda gotten used to the sound of my voice but it took a while to get over the cringing when I was doing HPR epsOct 17 21:26
cubevectoryeah plus it must be hard to talk about Microsoft and keeping the disgust out of your voice :)Oct 17 21:26
ThistleWeblolOct 17 21:27
cubevectorI did CBC radio onceOct 17 21:28
cubevectordoing stuff at home was much more relaxedOct 17 21:28
ThistleWebI do stuff in single takes, I can't be arsed with mixingOct 17 21:29
cubevectoryeahOct 17 21:29
cubevectorwell you can always do a rehearsal or somethingOct 17 21:29
cubevectorthen do it in one takeOct 17 21:29
ThistleWebit does mean that I often take several attempts at it, when I get brain farts part way through and end up with screencast equivelent of dead airOct 17 21:29
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cubevectorwell point form notes might helpOct 17 21:30
ThistleWebwhen I try, I plan vague bullet points of what I need to cover and what order, beyond that I wing itOct 17 21:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] RD bkuhn: #Shuttleworth, @sabdfl of !Ubuntu finally admits to #Open_Core plans for !Canonical: http://ur1.ca/23h7zOct 17 21:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just played on !ratholeradio Live: Nerdcore by MC Frontalot http://frontalot.comOct 17 21:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Now doing the mixdown of !LO 169. Shame I can't listen to !rr live.... :/Oct 17 21:30
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cubevectoryes, plus you don't want to sound like your reading from cue cards :)Oct 17 21:30
schestowitzMinceR: Groklaw stopped with the Apple mentions, so power to PJOct 17 21:30
ThistleWebthat tooOct 17 21:31
cubevectoryou'reOct 17 21:31
schestowitzIt did kind of happen after I started a discussion about it, but it's unlikely to be relatedOct 17 21:31
ThistleWebI couldnt do reading, I can only talk off the cuffOct 17 21:31
schestowitzThistleWeb: ah, excellent feedOct 17 21:32
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cubevectorkind of short ThistleWeb :)Oct 17 21:34
ThistleWebquality, not quantityOct 17 21:34
Viper550I know that this doesn't involve open source, but did you hear about the internet brands vs. xenforo brouhaha?Oct 17 21:34
ThistleWebroflOct 17 21:34
ThistleWebat least I joined, and tested the ogv compatibility, converting it was a bit of a painOct 17 21:35
ThistleWebsince it takes it without converting, it's idealOct 17 21:35
*cubevector wonders what MinceR sounds likeOct 17 21:36
cubevectorViper550, nopeOct 17 21:36
ThistleWebover the next few days I'll be recording a few more and setting up my site's end of itOct 17 21:36
cubevectorI could do an openbsd screencastOct 17 21:36
Viper550http://vbtruth.com/Oct 17 21:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @kevie Interview with Jono Bacon tonight on Rathole Radio !rr !ubuntu stream http://65.60.11.2:8216/liveOct 17 21:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Anyone knows a music streaming service that runs WITHOUT Flash? | Reddit Discussion http://ping.fm/nD3phOct 17 21:37
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MinceR223010 < schestowitz> MinceR: Groklaw stopped with the Apple mentions, so power to PJOct 17 21:37
MinceRis that good or bad?Oct 17 21:37
schestowitzGoodOct 17 21:37
schestowitzThe feeds are almost Apple freeOct 17 21:38
schestowitzAlmostOct 17 21:38
schestowitzSee http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 at topOct 17 21:38
schestowitz'Oct 17 21:38
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schestowitz    *Oct 17 21:38
schestowitz    * Band replaces instruments with iPhones, still rocks outOct 17 21:38
schestowitz    * Sunday, October 17 2010 @ 03:43 PM EDTOct 17 21:38
schestowitz    * The solution? Play on iPhones, instead. The results are surprisingly good.Oct 17 21:38
schestowitz'Oct 17 21:38
MinceRicOct 17 21:38
schestowitzhttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/red-hat-summit-and-jboss-world-call-for-papers-now-open-2010-10-13?reflink=MW_news_stmpOct 17 21:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Could anyone explain how !Sugar Presence Service works in !Abiword Abicollab? Seems !OLPC related?Oct 17 21:38
MinceRdo you think it will last?Oct 17 21:39
schestowitzGroklaw sometimes seems to teach people that replacing Microsoft with Apple is goodOct 17 21:40
schestowitzThe !Microsoft mentalityOct 17 21:40
cubevectorhmmmOct 17 21:40
schestowitzNot !proprietaryOct 17 21:40
schestowitzGroklaw also defends IBM a lotOct 17 21:41
schestowitzGroklaw links to this in the evening: http://dvice.com/archives/2010/10/band-replaces-i.phpOct 17 21:41
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cubevectorwell I was sorry to see Be goOct 17 21:41
schestowitzI just don't see the pointOct 17 21:41
cubevectorand they were proprietary tooOct 17 21:42
schestowitzWhat does that teach people?Oct 17 21:42
schestowitzShe posted ~10 links to the Java/IBM storyOct 17 21:42
schestowitzBut so did we...Oct 17 21:42
schestowitzAlthough our total # of links is like 10 times higherOct 17 21:42
cubevectorIBM did make some of the historically important computersOct 17 21:43
schestowitzI want to post ThistleWeb's test vid before midnightOct 17 21:43
schestowitzIt's better if content comes from our communityOct 17 21:43
cubevectorsureOct 17 21:43
ThistleWeblol, I'll be deleting that test vid after the first proper screencast is readyOct 17 21:43
ThistleWebit was only a small file to test how it copes with ogvOct 17 21:44
cubevectoranother example: I liked CommodoreOct 17 21:44
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467004575463843289453872.html?mod=wsj_share_twitterOct 17 21:44
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cubevectorbut they were the most open proprietary companies around in their dayOct 17 21:44
schestowitzThistleWeb: no, keep itOct 17 21:44
schestowitzI've already put that inOct 17 21:45
schestowitzWith captionOct 17 21:45
cubevectordoes bliptv host you then?Oct 17 21:45
cubevectoror do you provide your own?Oct 17 21:45
ThistleWebI got a free account at blip.tvOct 17 21:45
ThistleWebthey do have premium accounts wth more optionsOct 17 21:45
ThistleWebthey host itOct 17 21:45
ThistleWebthey stream itOct 17 21:45
ThistleWebI can set up permissions to allow embedding, whatever licenece I want, I'll need to check how to make the default CCOct 17 21:46
ThistleWebthat test vid is creative commonsOct 17 21:46
cubevectorcoolOct 17 21:46
ThistleWebthey do have content restrictions, so it's not a free for all that youtube isOct 17 21:48
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ThistleWebbut mine fits well within what they allowOct 17 21:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn "Not all contributors are equal" bullcrap. Shuttleworth has been posting about that too. Very #disturbing.Oct 17 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Excellent blog post, BTW. :)Oct 17 21:50
schestowitzthey just serve video files and flash objectOct 17 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Censorship abound in the ##windows chat room (freenode)...Its more Linux in there than Microsoft! Great stuff! !microsoftOct 17 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] State of !Firefox 4.0 on !GNU + !Linux http://www.tildehash.com/?article=state-of-firefox-4-0-on-gnu-linuxOct 17 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @openbytes Censorship abound in the ##windows chat room (freenode)...Its more Linux in there than Microsoft! Great stuff! !microsoftOct 17 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fabsh,can you give me URL for @sabdfl saying that "not all developers are equal"? ADVSorryANCE if is obvious; I don't subscribe to his blogOct 17 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz No clue what this has to do with Fedora vs. Ubuntu. We are talking about Canonical's policies ATM.Oct 17 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm reading about Pano Devices - Strange to me http://ping.fm/w4LZBOct 17 21:57
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schestowitz"@fabsh @bkuhn !Fedora - !Ubuntu popularity wars are a distraction"Oct 17 21:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh see @fontana remarksOct 17 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Oh dear. When IE9 is compared to other browsers, it doesn't seem at quick as !microsoft claim: http://tinyurl.com/23pq8va !ie9Oct 17 22:02
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_Goblinsorry people....double denting coming upOct 17 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Oh dear. When IE9 is compared to other browsers, it doesn't seem as quick as !microsoft claim: http://tinyurl.com/23pq8va !ie9Oct 17 22:03
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schestowitzHereOct 17 22:05
schestowitzDouble fun, _GoblinOct 17 22:05
schestowitzFrom Microsoft Emil, no less...Oct 17 22:05
schestowitzhttp://bloc.eurion.net/archives/2010/debious-a-dubious-debian-packaging-gui/Oct 17 22:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !ratholeradio @methoddan singing LIVE now! http://ratholeradio.org/live/Oct 17 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn http://ur1.ca/23jrk "that suggests that the two contributions are equal, when they really are not."Oct 17 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open source investment to increase – survey http://www.siliconrepublic.com/strategy/item/18263 #freesoftwareOct 17 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @iluvpclinuxos Testing PCLinuxOS KDE 4 2010.10 Test ISO.Oct 17 22:08
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Ender2070second life, funny, I used to explore in it often but then the linux client became mono basedOct 17 22:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fontana @bkuhn http://ur1.ca/23jrk [Shuttleworth:] "that suggests that the two contributions are equal, when they really are not."Oct 17 22:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Well, he's never said it outright, at least not on his blog. Reading all of his posts definitely give me that gist though....Oct 17 22:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn ...stuff like http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/517Oct 17 22:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 118542 !gnu !Linux PCs registered in ~week, 40% of which in Poland+Russia http://www.dudalibre.com/gnulinuxcounterOct 17 22:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz I am not @fontana. I wasn't talking about Fedora at all.Oct 17 22:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oracle Asks Founders Of The Documents Foundation To Leave http://ur1.ca/23jue Better description of the situationOct 17 22:13
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Ender2070[14:21] <gnufreex> schestowitz: Did you read bkuhn comment on shuttleworth?Oct 17 22:13
Ender2070[14:21] <gnufreex> I think we have the reason why UF are hostile to free sofwareOct 17 22:14
Ender2070interestingOct 17 22:14
Ender2070[14:32] <gnufreex> schestowitz: http://lwn.net/Articles/399380/Oct 17 22:15
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Ender2070ASEIGO, complained about Ubuntu's copyright assignment policy tooOct 17 22:15
Ender2070[14:51] <schestowitz> xmms hardly works anymore    <---obsolete GTK1 softwareOct 17 22:17
schestowitzyeahOct 17 22:18
schestowitzI wrote some gtk 1.2 s/wOct 17 22:18
Ender2070I use google apps, for some reason it doesn't delete the files on my hard drive. Weird eh?Oct 17 22:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Exactly the quote I had in my head but couldn't find. Thanks! @bkuhnOct 17 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #libreoffice folks can't blame #openoffice and #scoracle for being hostile. They threaten their jobs/project, it's provocativeOct 17 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh you should use "I am not @fontana" as the title of your autobiographyOct 17 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh yeah, I was referring to this dicussion in generalOct 17 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Haha. SCO/Microsoft hatchet lady Maureen O'Gara is already using #libreoffice spin to attack Office rivals. #sco #pr #openofficeOct 17 22:22
Ender2070[16:36] <TechrightsBot-tr> Title: Anyone knows a music streaming service that runs WITHOUT Flash? : linux .::. Size~: 55.49 KB   <---- youtube with webmOct 17 22:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OpenOffice: we develop OOo; LibreOffice: But... Oracle; OpenOffice: So? LibreOffice: we fork; OpenOffice: so leave LibreOffice: bad Oracle!Oct 17 22:25
schestowitzEnder2070: maybe they want web conferencingOct 17 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana LOL! Before I do that we should at least meet in person one day. All I know about you is from @bkuhn... ;)Oct 17 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Web browser speed test: Chrome, Firefox, IE9, Opera and Safari head-to-head http://ur1.ca/23jyz Chrome wins againOct 17 22:27
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schestowitzhttp://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/barbara-billingsley-tvs-june-clever-dead-94/story?id=11901936 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-16/barbara-billingsley-leave-it-to-beaver-sitcom-mom-june-dies-at-age-94.htmlOct 17 22:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz People compare. It's the nature of the human condition. That's how our brains work....Oct 17 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Canonical Open_Core huh? Pfft! As if this agenda is a surprise, I mean come on. Those who criticized Canonical before got flack, well......?Oct 17 22:28
Ender2070what about web conferencing?Oct 17 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ten reasons !GNU !Linux is the best choice for kids http://ur1.ca/23i1bOct 17 22:30
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schestowitzEnder2070: streaming in real-timeOct 17 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The !KDE Netbook Desktop - Continued http://ur1.ca/23jzq It looks polished; My family loves PlasmaOct 17 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn they won't allow you in the building unless you wear a red #fedoraOct 17 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh trueOct 17 22:32
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schestowitzHard to find FOSS SOLUTIONS (OOPS. caps accident)Oct 17 22:32
schestowitz"I couldn't see this service was advertised much here in Poland" http://identi.ca/conversation/56046911#notice-56531782Oct 17 22:33
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56047537#notice-56532184 "I have been surprised by how badly Oracle have taken the !LibreOffice fork, almost like they weren't expecting it. Strange"Oct 17 22:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @bkuhn I have to admit, I don't really understand what that means. You mean they won't promise licence perpetuity? Might change it?Oct 17 22:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Off-The-Record in !kopete r0x. pure and simple.Oct 17 22:35
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56046911#notice-56532756 "and I can't consider Poland as Windows-free. Contrarily, there're too many Windows' in public administration :("Oct 17 22:36
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schestowitzHi, scientesOct 17 22:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 2003 MICROSOFT MEMO (labeled "highly confidential" in ALL CAPS) says “Linux % of PC installed base” in “Enterprise” 4.20% in RussiaOct 17 22:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft's estimates of !GNU !Linux market share: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/linux-heat-map.pngOct 17 22:38
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schestowitz"Why? You've accused FOSS-people with less evidence. Why doubt LibreOffice statements now?" http://twitter.com/#!/janstedehouder/status/27667225904Oct 17 22:39
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schestowitz*sigh*Oct 17 22:39
schestowitzJan StedehouderOct 17 22:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Doing !LO show notes....Oct 17 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mr @mjasay says "I have heard exactly ZERO internal discussion about our embracing Open Core. As in 0 (nada, zilch, rien)"Oct 17 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mjasay I also think the idea of Open Core = VC dream/road to riches overlooks just about all data: biggest "OSS businesses"...Oct 17 22:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mjasay into Canonical's intentions. I don't think Canonical's history justifies the suspicion //yes, I thought @bkuhn had jumped the gunOct 17 22:43
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56051166#notice-56535489 "is it from 2003, right?"Oct 17 22:44
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schestowitzThe intelligence Microsoft had in 2003 showed GNU/Linux at well over 1%, except in places like the US http://techrights.org/2010/09/10/us-oriented-operating-system-surveys/Oct 17 22:45
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56051166#notice-56535588 "Document seems quite old though"Oct 17 22:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @schestowitz,Been asking !Canonical for 1.5 yrs why the won't make a promise back. Only logical explanation is they're reserving possibilityOct 17 22:47
schestowitz"are those where what you sell is explicitly NOT code, Open Core or otherwise. I think you may be misreading too much" - @mjasayOct 17 22:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @bkuhn yes, but possibility is not enough to prove intentOct 17 22:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @silner, "promise back" means "CLA &/or CAA promises all versions of codebase will always be made available under !FaiF or copyleft license"Oct 17 22:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @lnxwalt280 I think Canonical is looking at a lot of ways to try and earn some money. Doesn't always mean they'll choose it.Oct 17 22:53
schestowitzI can't believe I take Mac Asay's side for a changeOct 17 22:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Holy craps #Html5 + JQuery Mobile is so awesome. #very #excited - #jquerymobileOct 17 22:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] NewsBytes 17th October 2010 – Mono, IE9, Badboy Ballmer & Angry Birds! !microsoft !mono !novell !ie9 !linux !androidOct 17 23:02
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCHEJynXHDAOct 17 23:03
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schestowitz_Goblin: no URLOct 17 23:04
_Goblinlol...Oct 17 23:04
_GoblindohOct 17 23:04
MinceRNO U! ...RLOct 17 23:05
MinceR:>Oct 17 23:05
_Goblinthere done.Oct 17 23:06
_Goblinsorry...thats the second dupe dent Ive done today.....Oct 17 23:06
_Goblinmust be stress.Oct 17 23:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] NewsBytes 17th October 2010 –Mono,IE9,Badboy Ballmer & Angry Birds! http://tinyurl.com/268tkl3 !microsoft !mono !novell !ie9 !linux !androidOct 17 23:07
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_Goblinbtw, if anyone is thinking of seeing Altitude on DVD...forget it...its rubbish.Oct 17 23:08
Ender2070I think we need a google docs FOSS cloneOct 17 23:09
Ender2070libreofficelive ?Oct 17 23:09
Ender2070anythingOct 17 23:09
Ender2070cause its way too handyOct 17 23:10
_GoblinNever really had a use for Google Docs myself...Oct 17 23:10
Ender2070my school for example won't let me install openoffice on its windows boxesOct 17 23:10
gnufreexEnder2070... Sun was working on something like that... now ORacle does.. but it will be propriatary, probably.Oct 17 23:10
MinceRgnOct 17 23:11
Viper550My old school, actually had openoffice 3 installed network-wideOct 17 23:11
Ender2070I have a choiceOct 17 23:11
Ender2070MS Office or Google DocsOct 17 23:11
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Viper550cause only select labs had Office XP. Everyone else had WordPerfect Office (ugh) or OpenOffice 3Oct 17 23:11
Ender2070and Google Docs doesnt suck ballsOct 17 23:11
Ender2070i'd take Wordperfect over MS Office anydayOct 17 23:12
Ender2070I like google docs for footnotes, headers/footers and the way it formats the footnotes when you convert the document to different formatsOct 17 23:14
scientesuggggghOct 17 23:14
scienteshate web-based applicationsOct 17 23:14
Viper550I'm trying to start work on a new commercial grade (and no, not open core) forum system, google docs is proving usefulOct 17 23:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @set0s ♻ @schestowitz: Microsoft's estimates of !GNU !Linux market share: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/linux-hea ...Oct 17 23:17
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Ender2070I found a use for google docsOct 17 23:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz Open source investment to increase – survey http://www.siliconrepublic.com/strategy/item/18263 #freesoftwareOct 17 23:18
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Ender2070however I am well aware the dangers of the cloud and I keep many backups of my filesOct 17 23:19
Ender2070but we need a google docs cloneOct 17 23:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 17/10/2010: KDE Netbook Desktop, Angry Birds a Real Hit on Linux Phones http://ur1.ca/23kci !techrightsOct 17 23:22
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schestowitzEnder2070: opengoo?Oct 17 23:22
schestowitzThey renameOct 17 23:22
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schestowitzAnd become more proprietarOct 17 23:22
schestowitzSomething like Keng office...Oct 17 23:23
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schestowitzFengOct 17 23:23
schestowitzhttp://www.fengoffice.com/web/index.phpOct 17 23:23
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schestowitzNo longer FOSS at all I see...Oct 17 23:23
Ender2070yeah thats what it looks likeOct 17 23:24
schestowitzhttp://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/community_index.php "Feng Office Collaboration Platform is Open Source Software. There are many reasons why being this is good. Here you can read more  about the benefits of being Open Source. "Oct 17 23:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/why-is-open-source.phpOct 17 23:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/downloads.phpOct 17 23:25
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Ender2070im about to be d/cOct 17 23:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Newsweek Predicts: Microsoft to Oust Ballmer in 2010 http://tinyurl.com/2ap7td3 !microsoft !mvp !mvpbuzz !wp7 - I reckon its mid 2011.Oct 17 23:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #OpenGoo turned from Free software into fauxpen (proprietary): http://www.fengoffice.com/web/community/downloads.phpOct 17 23:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] @glynmoody didnt see reply on identica; two projects http://freethepostcode.org/ & OSM, code<->street API http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/NominatimOct 17 23:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] TDF and LibO mailing lists in several languages have been set up - more to follow! http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_ListsOct 17 23:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] PVR has managed to record loads of stuff todayOct 17 23:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jamesm/@jamesm] Wondering what happened to foss.my this yearOct 17 23:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Ive thoroughly enjoying another Linux title (a MMORG) that Ive discovered over the last week. Two great titles coming: www.openbytes.co.ccOct 17 23:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] KTorrent 4.0.3 released: http://ktorrent.org/ !kde !bittorrent !p2p !linux !fossOct 17 23:42
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oiaohmMore and more opensource is being hidden under the title communityOct 17 23:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] "#WebKit has issues. They eventually fixes their bugs, but they leave a trail of tears in the meantime." -- @jeresig at !jQuery #jqconOct 17 23:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Meetings of last week's TDF Steering Comittee meeting are now online: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_MeetingsOct 17 23:52
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scienteshate web-based applicationsOct 17 23:53
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/56050113#notice-56548259 "i dont like the plasma bar in netbook mode :( its unusable overfilled"Oct 17 23:54
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