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Tekk_I would...Oct 28 00:00
Ender2070lolOct 28 00:00
schestowitzI don't even think Satan WORSHIPPER is NECESSARILY just an analogy or metaphorOct 28 00:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Confirmed to keynote at Open Source Symposium in Rotterdam on Novermber 11: http://icio.us/p2f3u2Oct 28 00:00
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schestowitzEither way, FOSS is no church, it's hardly theistic... mostly scientistsOct 28 00:01
schestowitzI don't know many lawyers or actors who can also codeOct 28 00:01
Ender2070Micosoft Florian is an actor/coderOct 28 00:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] "I wondered what government official in what dark alley dreamed up this groping to protect the public?": http://icio.us/kqc0s4Oct 28 00:02
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Ender2070hes a bad actor though, tries to play the part of someone against patents, and failsOct 28 00:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ton Roosendaal, Sintel Producer and head of Blender Institute http://ur1.ca/2728q Fantastic work, thanks to the Sintel team!Oct 28 00:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RedMonk Analytics: What Operating Systems are Developers Using? http://ur1.ca/272ld Lots of !GNU !LinuxOct 28 00:13
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schestowitz<Ender2070> hes a bad actor though, tries to play the part of someone against patents, and failsOct 28 00:21
schestowitzHe was good at firtOct 28 00:21
schestowitzHe was good at firstOct 28 00:21
schestowitzThen he stopped playing/actingOct 28 00:21
Ender2070I called him on it almost immediatelyOct 28 00:21
schestowitzJust lobbyingOct 28 00:21
schestowitzIt started with TurboHERCULESOct 28 00:21
Ender2070yes i rememberOct 28 00:21
Ender2070i called him on itOct 28 00:22
schestowitzMr. HERCULES versus little IBMOct 28 00:22
schestowitzI did tooOct 28 00:22
schestowitzBut then he mailed me many timesOct 28 00:22
Ender2070sameOct 28 00:22
schestowitzI soon exposed him again, then presented both sides for a whileOct 28 00:22
schestowitzThen he started attacking FSF, Groklaw, even FFIIOct 28 00:23
schestowitzhe stopped actingOct 28 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz #mobbyists lobby for #swpats again. http://identi.ca/conversation/57010184#notice-57523424 Funny.Oct 28 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Hrm, gnome-shell identica extension. Either that, or making some more breadOct 28 00:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rsandu Bucharest under siege today: 40,000 Romanians against totalitarian Băsescu-Boc regime http://is.gd/gn7miOct 28 00:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Massive drought in South America http://ur1.ca/273xiOct 28 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice new http://fedoraproject.org/ page just in time for Fedora 14 due out November 2nd. #fbOct 28 00:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @johndrinkwater but #Gemalto also worked with !Linux and is a Microsoft partner . #swpats #patent #monopoly #loserOct 28 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Oops, no yeast. That precludes the identica extension thenOct 28 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] ♺ @renata: Tomorrow don´t forget to follow @fcforum and watch the oXcars: http://oxcars10.exgae.net/en/live/Oct 28 00:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] cOct 28 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith Apple+Sony (PS+hypePhone) would never work. Apple customers may struggle with more than a single button.Oct 28 00:37
Ender2070lolOct 28 00:43
Ender2070One button good, two buttons bad!Oct 28 00:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Russia developing alternative OS to Windows http://ur1.ca/27414 !gnu !linux duh. Da? In Russia, operating system develops country.Oct 28 00:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Russia to create 'Windows rival' http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101027/tc_afp/russiagovernmentinternet Good that it's still on the agendaOct 28 00:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: I bought a performa in 1995/96 and was convinced at the time that one button on the mouse was a sign of superiority x2idiocyOct 28 00:43
schestowitzIn mice tooOct 28 00:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[throckmortonqdirktwister/@throckmortonqdirktwister] P2P is not a crime. http://t.co/ZMAkhwD !pp !telecomix !techrightsOct 28 00:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] @schestowitz Intel were anti-comp. wrt AMD and work on X.Org, Meego, etc … plenty of companies work on Linux and make dick moves #justsayinOct 28 00:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bruce89 What I'd like to know is whether hatred of gnome-shell is just fear of change > we change every minuteOct 28 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @johndrinkwater yupOct 28 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] @speeddefrost och, if only I could, it would be nice thoughOct 28 00:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] @schestowitz I was thinking about the furore that there was about #Pidgin getting rid of the resize grip for the entryOct 28 00:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @webmink "I wondered what government official in what dark alley dreamed up this groping to protect the public?": http://icio.us/kqc0s4Oct 28 00:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Like to feel people up close and personal? Join the TSA. They now have 'naked scanners', too. The price? Our liberty.Oct 28 00:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I wish more Linux applications were made with thought for OTG users. OTG-other than GnomeOct 28 00:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cynicism: Airport 'naked scanner' = preview windows for TSA officers to select who to strip-search; can one opt out?Oct 28 00:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @schestowitz no, denying our security officers a feel means the terrorists winOct 28 00:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Window/Aisle, smoking/non-smoking, omelette breakfast/cheese, business/coach, naked search/"no thanks, I'm not a TERROR~1"Oct 28 00:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Terrorism is an international plot to get the TSA to view and to touch people of the same gender without their clothes on.Oct 28 00:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Screencast Episode | Giver http://bit.ly/9DfgUh #LinuxMint !dpsOct 28 00:58
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/57552928 "@schestowitz Don't fly? :/"Oct 28 01:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Begrudgingly ordered a replacement camera battery charger, hopefully before #60163 Tornado is at !GlasgowOct 28 01:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @tekk no, denying our security officers a feel means the terrorists winOct 28 01:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Jimmy Carter on Beeb 24 hour news now. A president that history will be much kinder about than recent and present interests. #TopblokeOct 28 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RT @schestowitz Terrorism is an international plot to get the TSA to view and to touch people of the same gender without their clothes on.Oct 28 01:02
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Ender2070I should be up on the ambassador list soonOct 28 01:06
Ender2070for fedoraOct 28 01:06
Ender2070I had to put in my latitiude and longitude so it knows where I amOct 28 01:06
Ender2070damn trollsOct 28 01:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Do tell me, is there any USB peripheral I can "script" a (long) series of keypresses on? Like pasting an SH script over a terminal?Oct 28 01:08
oiaohmI have lied on that before.  Ender2070Oct 28 01:10
oiaohmI like the great Australian bite my self as a latitude and longitude to put if anyone goes looking for me they will get wet.Oct 28 01:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: RedMonk Analytics: What Operating Systems are Developers Using? http://ur1.ca/272ld Lots of !GNU !LinuxOct 28 01:17
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Tekk_looking at thatOct 28 01:19
Tekk_I'd like to see how many of those are actually working, mac vs GNU/Linux/windowsOct 28 01:19
Tekk_GNU/Linux vs windowsOct 28 01:19
oiaohmTekk_: There is a missing factor in those compares.Oct 28 01:22
Ender2070I used the latitude/longitude of my city, didnt bother pinpointing out my houseOct 28 01:23
oiaohmKdevelop.  Its better with javascript and php than what elcsipe is.Oct 28 01:23
Tekk_oiaohm: which is?Oct 28 01:23
Tekk_ohOct 28 01:23
Tekk_and emacsOct 28 01:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @schestowitz: Terrorism is an international plot to get the TSA to view and to touch people of the same gender without their clothes on.Oct 28 01:23
Ender2070kdevelop owns even more nowOct 28 01:23
Ender2070git integratedOct 28 01:23
Tekk_I bet a lot of OS devs will end up using emacs or vi(m)Oct 28 01:23
oiaohmNo emacs and vim are old school developers.Oct 28 01:24
oiaohmOnes who are not use to GUI.Oct 28 01:24
*Tekk_ is posting this from erc...Oct 28 01:24
Ender2070old school developers used punch cardsOct 28 01:25
Ender2070what are you talking aboutOct 28 01:25
oiaohmOk I was not refering to the dinos Ender2070Oct 28 01:26
Tekk_Ender2070: old school developers use wires and vacuum tubesOct 28 01:26
oiaohmI was refering from the point in history where we got sanity of keyboards and screens.Oct 28 01:26
Tekk_oh, want to add 3 and 4 instead of 4 and 4? just gimme a second to rewire everything XDOct 28 01:26
Ender2070what about sanity of gui'sOct 28 01:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] #BSOD grounds ICBMs: thank God North Korea didn't find out!http://ur1.ca/274c2 #jokes #windowsOct 28 01:27
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oiaohmGui's have exists in one for or another that complete time.  Ender2070Oct 28 01:27
Ender2070Stardock runs (or used to run) its own IRC server, they purchased the software so they could run it on windowsOct 28 01:27
Ender2070anywho, I found out it was written in VBOct 28 01:28
Ender2070how terrible of a serverOct 28 01:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 27/10/2010: Many Developers Choose !GNU !Linux Desktops, Russia Moves to GNU/Linux Desktops http://ur1.ca/274d3Oct 28 01:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Vietnam "Pentagon Papers" whistleblower praises Wikileaks http://ur1.ca/274d8Oct 28 01:28
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oiaohmI hope it use to run Ender2070Oct 28 01:30
oiaohmThere are plenty of C and C++ IRC servers for Windows these days.Oct 28 01:31
Ender2070it dropped people when there were too many onOct 28 01:31
Ender2070not with any pattern it was all randomOct 28 01:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rcweir And those who know enough to avoid the problem also know enough to avoid relying on what SC34 says about OOXML #sc34Oct 28 01:32
Tekk_Ender2070: took too much memory probably...Oct 28 01:32
oiaohmNo there is a pattern.  Ender2070Oct 28 01:32
Ender2070it wasn't a hardcoded limitOct 28 01:32
oiaohmTook me ages to find.  Its a signature of VB bytecode engine.Oct 28 01:32
Ender2070this was back in 2004 as wellOct 28 01:33
Tekk_oiaohm: for classic I assumeOct 28 01:33
oiaohmUntil vb changed to .net it was just a bytecode language wrapped up in a exe.Oct 28 01:33
Tekk_oiaohm: that's what .net is....Oct 28 01:33
oiaohmvb was it first. Tekk_Oct 28 01:34
Tekk_oiaohm: lisp did it first :POct 28 01:34
oiaohmBut the pattern is the same from the first vb exe until it changes to vb.netOct 28 01:34
oiaohmFirst person to connect will be the last dropped.Oct 28 01:35
oiaohmYes pure evil for a network application.Oct 28 01:35
Ender2070yeah it was evilOct 28 01:35
Ender2070and they paid for thatOct 28 01:36
oiaohmIe first person connect loads the server to hell and no one else can get in.Oct 28 01:36
oiaohmYes DOS target.Oct 28 01:36
Ender2070some of their games had terrible back doors programmed into themOct 28 01:36
oiaohmChange to VB.net the stack gets sanity.Oct 28 01:36
Ender2070security wiseOct 28 01:36
Ender2070ie lack ofOct 28 01:37
oiaohmYet I have seen applications fail completely due to depend on old VB design to protect database access.Oct 28 01:37
oiaohmIe first connect from the vb application be database.Oct 28 01:37
oiaohmBut with vb.net unless you define rule its first on most likely first off.Oct 28 01:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @greve "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. [...]Oct 28 01:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @greve "[...] Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." --George Bernard Shaw.Oct 28 01:38
oiaohmTekk_:  Ok lisp wrapping a bytecode inside exe?  Most vb applications are basically stubed.  The runtime dll decode the bytecode at runtime.  It why they are so slow.Oct 28 01:40
oiaohmYes vb x86 disasmble protected from.Oct 28 01:40
Tekk_oiaohm: oh wait, that was probably smalltalk. I think lisp actually made binariesOct 28 01:40
oiaohmLast time I looked at this vb was one of the rare things todo this.Oct 28 01:41
oiaohmMost other things built proper cpu code when they build binarys.Oct 28 01:41
oiaohmOr use a different extention with a independant loader.Oct 28 01:41
oiaohmIe javaOct 28 01:41
Ender2070I had a friend who wrote a trojan in VB for his highschool cs classOct 28 01:42
oiaohmBasically vb is the proto type of what .net is.Oct 28 01:42
Ender2070Visual Basic 6 thoughOct 28 01:42
Ender2070back thenOct 28 01:42
Ender2070I remember him rambling on about how great C# would be because Microsoft made itOct 28 01:43
oiaohm1994 highschool I was written asm bios addons to make sure laptops got returned.Oct 28 01:43
oiaohmYes simple thing laptop don't return to school in 60 days don't boot.Oct 28 01:43
oiaohmPlug into a custom printer plug reset timer.Oct 28 01:43
Ender20701994 I was in Grade 4Oct 28 01:44
Ender2070Playing around with C64's at schoolOct 28 01:44
Diablo-D3in 1994 I was... hrmOct 28 01:44
Diablo-D3I dunnoOct 28 01:44
oiaohmThen I went to Uni and they had us using pascal  because you could not write speggiti code in that.Oct 28 01:44
Ender2070andOct 28 01:45
Diablo-D3I think I was just starting to learn C thenOct 28 01:45
Tekk_In 1994 I was -1 years old...Oct 28 01:45
Ender2070there was a network, where 30 students shared a single 486 machine running Unisys IconixOct 28 01:45
oiaohmYep when the lecture saw some of my highschool highly optimised pascal he almost could not believe it.Oct 28 01:45
Ender2070just a bunch of monitors with ethernet jacks and keyboards attachedOct 28 01:45
oiaohmHeavy use of labels and goto's.Oct 28 01:45
oiaohmPure speggiti but run like the bat out of hell compared to OOP code.Oct 28 01:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Obama has just gone on national telly and for good reason.. A USA citizen was discovered not wearing Old Glory on lapel or jacket arm!Oct 28 01:47
Tekk_oiaohm: does that mean function pointers in structs instead of classes is a bad idea in C? :POct 28 01:47
oiaohmMy high school of 200 in 1994.   26 XT machines.  20 486 in the computer lab.  In typing room 6 mac classics pulse and other 4 386s,  And another 3 computers in the graphics class.  And remember this was a public school.Oct 28 01:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Should I sell my Sigma 120-400Oct 28 01:48
oiaohmTekk_: C does not have classes.  So structs are used to replace them.   Not really a bad idea.  Used the wrong way bad.Oct 28 01:49
Tekk_oiaohm: structs do not replace classesOct 28 01:49
oiaohmYou have not done OOP in C.   Tekk_Oct 28 01:50
Tekk_and there's no way structs can "replace" them, modern OO wasn't created until years later :POct 28 01:50
Tekk_oiaohm: I've used function pointers in structs, if that's what you meanOct 28 01:50
oiaohmModern OOP was desgined using structs.Oct 28 01:50
Tekk_hardly real OO, but it let me do my beloved Thing.Function()Oct 28 01:50
Tekk_oiaohm: yesOct 28 01:50
oiaohmYou have to use support functions and other evil using structs to replace modern OOP in COct 28 01:51
oiaohmIts doable but evil.Oct 28 01:51
Tekk_oiaohm: I'd love to know how you choke inheritance out of COct 28 01:51
Tekk_actually learning how to do OO in C may actually be helpful, since I'm making a game in COct 28 01:52
oiaohmWithout inheritance and polymophic  you can do most of OOP in C just with function naming and simple structs.Oct 28 01:53
Ender2070My high school we started off with Pentium 75's running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and Novell NetwareOct 28 01:53
Ender207016 mb of ram on each and probably one gig drivesOct 28 01:53
Tekk_yeah, a naming convention can more or less replace classes without inheritance and polyOct 28 01:54
oiaohmWhen you get to inheritance and polymophic.   You need to using function pointers and the like between structs.Oct 28 01:54
Ender20701999 lolOct 28 01:54
oiaohmAnd management init functions.  Tekk_Oct 28 01:54
oiaohmYes the code turns ugly.Oct 28 01:54
Tekk_oiaohm: C usually turns ugly when you get bigOct 28 01:55
Tekk_like bashOct 28 01:55
Ender2070remember y2kOct 28 01:55
Ender2070ROFLOct 28 01:55
oiaohmReally C does not have to turn ugly when it gets big. Tekk_Oct 28 01:55
Ender2070what a scamOct 28 01:55
Tekk_"You know I lost her in the y2k bug"~ College HumorOct 28 01:56
Diablo-D3speaking of y2kOct 28 01:56
Diablo-D3whatever happened to aftery2kOct 28 01:56
Ender2070my teacher and I had joked about it so much in 1999 because even my 386 used four digit datesOct 28 01:56
Tekk_speaking of y2k, anyone remember that episode in dilbert?Oct 28 01:56
Diablo-D3the chick doing that webcomic sorta quitOct 28 01:56
oiaohm2038 is the one to worry about.Oct 28 01:57
oiaohmIn the Unix 32 bit time fault.Oct 28 01:57
Tekk_oiaohm: that's less of a problem than y2k :POct 28 01:57
oiaohmReallyOct 28 01:57
Diablo-D3actually, I think linux fixed thatOct 28 01:57
Tekk_oiaohm: were you using a 32 bit CPU in 1970Oct 28 01:57
Ender2070yeah it didOct 28 01:57
Tekk_?Oct 28 01:57
Diablo-D3kernel internally does >32bitOct 28 01:58
oiaohmFirewall routers coded to drop old packets.Oct 28 01:58
Diablo-D3people just have to use the new gettime() when it comes outOct 28 01:58
Tekk_NOTHING is going to be 32 bit by thenOct 28 01:58
oiaohmWe hope not Tekk_Oct 28 01:58
Ender2070but oiaohm those routers wont support IPV6 anywaysOct 28 01:58
Ender2070we're running out of IPV4!!!11!1Oct 28 01:58
Diablo-D3yeah, in 2038 ipv4 will be discontinuedOct 28 01:58
oiaohmThat is why the change to IPV6 change is good.Oct 28 01:59
Tekk_oiaohm: not reallyOct 28 01:59
oiaohmForced killing of all the 2038 defective routers.Oct 28 01:59
Diablo-D3besidesOct 28 01:59
Diablo-D3routers only last like 3 yearsOct 28 01:59
Tekk_oiaohm: at least I can remember ipv4 addresses...Oct 28 01:59
Ender2070you really think we won't even be running quantum pc's by then?Oct 28 02:00
oiaohmSome of the big old beasties of routers out there are 15 year old sitting in fiber links.  Diablo-D3Oct 28 02:00
Ender2070the internet will be too slowOct 28 02:00
Diablo-D3oiaohm: the caps will rot on those soonOct 28 02:00
oiaohmUnforntally not.Oct 28 02:01
oiaohmThose are are still going are the first of the solid block caps.Oct 28 02:01
Diablo-D3this 6 pack of beer says otherwise.Oct 28 02:01
oiaohmIe were top of the line insanely expenisve bits in there day.Oct 28 02:01
oiaohmThe rest from that time frame are basically dead.Oct 28 02:02
Ender2070i highly doubt theres a router that will live 30+ yearsOct 28 02:02
oiaohmThose caps will be fine for another 10 to 20 years.Oct 28 02:02
oiaohmMore likely the wires connecting the chip will warp and it will die.Oct 28 02:03
Ender2070i doubt theres routers that old in operationOct 28 02:03
oiaohmI know a few.Oct 28 02:03
Ender2070you know how slow they would beOct 28 02:03
Diablo-D3Ender2070: there actually areOct 28 02:03
Diablo-D3they babysit fiber links that havent been upgraded yetOct 28 02:03
*Tekk_ still hasn't gotten around to adding sprite sheet support to his game making library...Oct 28 02:03
Diablo-D3like, OC3s to businesses and shitOct 28 02:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @trashbird1240 any real evidence of #BSOD ?Oct 28 02:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Sony is an established solid brand in cellphones. With a playstation in a cellphone, it's a real contender in the mobile arenaOct 28 02:03
Ender2070what kind of bandwidth are you talking aboutOct 28 02:04
oiaohmThey are not that slow either over all.  Last one I was looking at was doing a nice 20gb/per second.Oct 28 02:04
oiaohmUpgraded you would push at least double that down the line.Oct 28 02:05
oiaohmBut that requires breaking the link.Oct 28 02:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz I just don't know whose lunch Sony will eat, if crApple's or M$. M$ for sure.Oct 28 02:05
Ender2070nothings broken the link in 30+ years?Oct 28 02:05
Ender2070or will I meanOct 28 02:06
oiaohmMost likely nothing.Oct 28 02:06
Ender2070heavy duty thenOct 28 02:06
Ender2070yeah that would've been extremely expensive back thenOct 28 02:06
oiaohmBugger at both ends is sitting on UPS's battery sets that can hold it operation for 48 hours without power.Oct 28 02:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith Nintendo'sOct 28 02:07
oiaohmAnd the batteries can be replaced while in operation.Oct 28 02:07
oiaohmAnd auto kick up generators as well.Oct 28 02:07
oiaohmThis is true belt and suppenders stuff.Oct 28 02:07
oiaohmYes the generates can recharge the batteries enough before the run out of fuel to give time to driver for 8 hours and come back with more fuel and fill them up and keep on going.Oct 28 02:08
Ender2070interestingOct 28 02:08
oiaohmYet the fuel station is less than 30 mins away.Oct 28 02:08
Ender2070thats uptimeOct 28 02:08
Ender2070lolOct 28 02:08
oiaohmIe 8 hours to fuel station and 8 hours back and 4 hours mucking around at each end.Oct 28 02:09
oiaohmBasically if it ever loses power someone has completely screwed up.Oct 28 02:10
oiaohmThe best hope of early replacement is if someone rips up the firber link by mistake.Oct 28 02:10
Tekk_XD firberOct 28 02:10
Ender2070http://fedoraproject.org/en/features/Oct 28 02:10
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Ender2070spyware and virus free!Oct 28 02:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz In the cell phone market ? [(O.o)]Oct 28 02:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Using #OOXML instead of #ODF is like turning off the Beatles so you can hear K-Fed sing "Imagine". It is just wrong.Oct 28 02:12
oiaohmVirus free claim is taking it a little too far.Oct 28 02:12
oiaohmParticularly when you work with the wine project and have see 200+ windows viruses running in wine on fedoraOct 28 02:13
oiaohmVirus free as long as you don't install Wine.Oct 28 02:13
Tekk_it's still pretty safe without wineOct 28 02:14
Tekk_with*Oct 28 02:14
oiaohmThat fedora claim is what gets people into trouble.Oct 28 02:14
Tekk_since you aren't connected to the internet most of the time it doesn't have too much chance for a virusOct 28 02:14
oiaohmIe Linux cannot get infected is not true.Oct 28 02:14
Tekk_correctOct 28 02:14
oiaohmLinux is virus resistant.Oct 28 02:14
oiaohmHighly Virus resistant.Oct 28 02:15
oiaohmfanotify can make it even more so.Oct 28 02:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] LWN.net Weekly Edition for October 28, 2010 http://lwn.net/Articles/411019/rssOct 28 02:15
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oiaohmYet will still have to wait a few more Linux kernels to get fanotify.Oct 28 02:15
bruce89surely selinux would say something about thatOct 28 02:16
oiaohmIe fanotify wrapped around wine providing realtime scanning of what the user is trying to install.Oct 28 02:16
oiaohmLot of wine applications need network access bruce89Oct 28 02:16
oiaohmSo selinux has to let wine past.Oct 28 02:16
oiaohmAlso part is a wine design error.Oct 28 02:16
Ender2070just dont use wine thenOct 28 02:16
oiaohmwineserver sends some network traffic for all installed applications in wine.Oct 28 02:17
Tekk_oiaohm: what do you mean a design error?Oct 28 02:17
Tekk_ahOct 28 02:17
oiaohmSo hiding the source of the packets.Oct 28 02:17
bruce89I wasn't really meaning wine actually, point takenOct 28 02:17
oiaohmParticular applications increase risk of infected Linux.  Wine is the big one.Oct 28 02:18
oiaohmReason why I ask people all the time have they tried native platform applications for the job.  Since distribution gets to wrap them in secuirty.Oct 28 02:19
oiaohmHas gnome added .desktop file protection yet.Oct 28 02:21
oiaohmIe that a unknown .desktop file system asks is this safe to run.Oct 28 02:21
oiaohmI know KDE has.Oct 28 02:21
Ender2070:)Oct 28 02:21
oiaohmLinux is not whole less.  But it has less wholes than most other OS's.Oct 28 02:22
oiaohmWe cannot sit back and take secuirty for granted yet.Oct 28 02:22
Ender2070true but package management usually eliminates a lot of that junkOct 28 02:25
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bruce89I believe I saw desktop file protection in GNOME recentlyOct 28 02:26
Ender2070same with making the home directory not able to executeOct 28 02:26
bruce89in fact, indeed it is thereOct 28 02:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith no, DSOct 28 02:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz I read your post, crApple is surpassing Nintendo and Sony in the handheld game market. a BIG WTF ?!?Oct 28 02:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] i haven't heard a single flame about the new #fedora website... that was odd.Oct 28 02:30
oiaohmEnder2070: wine currently respects the execute flag.Oct 28 02:30
oiaohmMake home directory no execute kill wine dead.Oct 28 02:30
Tekk_no executing in home?!Oct 28 02:32
Tekk_that's insaneOct 28 02:32
bruce89http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=7632a3e13874a2c5e8988428ca913620a25df983Oct 28 02:32
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Ender2070thats not insaneOct 28 02:32
Ender2070just get your apps from your package manangerOct 28 02:32
Tekk_Ender2070: wait, we are talking about no executables allowed in home, correct?Oct 28 02:33
Ender2070yesOct 28 02:33
Tekk_I do not like that...Oct 28 02:33
Ender2070if you're trying to run a tight ship you doOct 28 02:33
Tekk_if you like programming, you don't :POct 28 02:33
oiaohmSecure system is a must.  Tekk_Oct 28 02:33
Ender2070well perhaps you manually allow execute for specific peopleOct 28 02:34
oiaohmIe programming machines not secure systems.Oct 28 02:34
oiaohmBecause programmers can screw up and crash it.Oct 28 02:34
Tekk_so you're saying that I would need to, whenever I build something, I need to move it to /usr/local/bin...Oct 28 02:34
Tekk_I think I'll stick with trinity, thanks o.oOct 28 02:34
oiaohmNormally you set up development zones.Oct 28 02:34
oiaohmthe tradition what has become a mess was /usr/localOct 28 02:34
Ender2070give yourself executeOct 28 02:34
Ender2070you're just a folderOct 28 02:35
Tekk_waitOct 28 02:35
oiaohmAlso don't forget the power of scripting.Oct 28 02:35
oiaohmI have brought a HPUX to the ground with a shell script.Oct 28 02:35
Tekk_doesn't the execute flag on folders mean no searching?Oct 28 02:35
Tekk_oiaohm: su -c 'halt'? :POct 28 02:36
oiaohmNo su just normal user allowed on a HPUXOct 28 02:36
Tekk_doesn't no execute flag on folders*Oct 28 02:36
oiaohmno execute parition mount does not effect folders.Oct 28 02:36
oiaohmIts a file filter.Oct 28 02:36
oiaohmTekk_: Fork bombed from a shell script calling it self due to typo on my part.Oct 28 02:37
Tekk_oiaohm: awesomeOct 28 02:37
oiaohmDue to the right ammount lag.Oct 28 02:37
oiaohmI do mean the right about.Oct 28 02:37
oiaohmHPUX did not kill the script instead systemattically killed everything else on the system to free up process time.Oct 28 02:38
oiaohmIncluding the means to log in directly at the server.Oct 28 02:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] >@webmink I wondered what govt official in what dark alley dreamed up this groping to protect the public? // manufactured fear does it allOct 28 02:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] You know what I hate more than installing Windows? Installing Windows with OEM Product KeysOct 28 02:38
oiaohmYes still running but 100 percent paper weight.Oct 28 02:38
Tekk_oiaohm: I wouldn't say to it's knees, you just need a restartOct 28 02:39
oiaohmrestart button on the server need cpu time.Oct 28 02:40
Tekk_unplugOct 28 02:40
oiaohmThat there was none.Oct 28 02:40
oiaohmYep unplug was the only option.Oct 28 02:40
oiaohmAlso it had not written to disk the complete time my script had taken over.Oct 28 02:40
oiaohmSo filesystem was damaged so it did not restart.Oct 28 02:41
oiaohmYes I had done it well.Oct 28 02:41
Tekk_oiaohm: get banned?Oct 28 02:41
oiaohmAccount got suspened then a very big please explain.Oct 28 02:41
oiaohmAfter they saw it was a simple typo and not intentional attack on system.  I was allowed back in.Oct 28 02:42
oiaohmIts not the thing todo in the first week of university.  Tekk_Oct 28 02:42
oiaohmYes the main students server I had taken to its knees.Oct 28 02:43
oiaohmKnowing what I have done.  Does this change you mind on having coders and general users sharing the same server.  Tekk_Oct 28 02:45
oiaohmYes the first time I had come into contact with a Unix server I stuffed it.Oct 28 02:48
Tekk_oiaohm: nope, not at all :POct 28 02:48
Tekk_oiaohm: yeah, the first time you used a UNIX serverOct 28 02:48
Tekk_and I'm sure that we have things to protect against that nowadaysOct 28 02:48
oiaohmThere are other weak points.Oct 28 02:49
oiaohmRunning non tested binaries and scripts does increase risk of those being hit.Oct 28 02:49
oiaohmTekk_: You are thinking the same way the UNI people were.Oct 28 02:50
oiaohmHPUX was one of the first to intrudce anti-fork bomb code.Oct 28 02:50
oiaohmI was just unlucky enough to hit the one and only bug in it.Oct 28 02:51
Tekk_great job with that geysOct 28 02:51
oiaohmWhere instead of killing the forkbomb it killed everything else.Oct 28 02:51
oiaohmMistake was the idea that the fork bomb would be the fastest spawning process.Oct 28 02:52
oiaohmMine was slow spawning and just keep on doing it.Oct 28 02:52
oiaohmSo when it went looking for the fork bomb in its eyes everything else was most likely it.Oct 28 02:53
oiaohmBasically by mistake I turned the OS's own secuirty system against it.Oct 28 02:54
oiaohmWhen you have a highly protected OS.  It is possible to make it overreach putting untested code in.  Tekk_Oct 28 02:55
Tekk_oiaohm: okay, but still we have a problem thereOct 28 02:56
Tekk_oiaohm: most computers these days are single userOct 28 02:56
oiaohmAnd most don't need to code.Oct 28 02:56
Tekk_but I imagine quite a few will want to, say, set up tremulousOct 28 02:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Diolch i Dduw am Google chyfieithuOct 28 02:57
oiaohmPackage management.Oct 28 02:57
Tekk_oiaohm: debianOct 28 02:57
oiaohmtremulous rpm installs on debian.Oct 28 02:57
Tekk_or a libre derivative of debian/ubuntuOct 28 02:57
oiaohmAnd ubuntuOct 28 02:57
oiaohmDone it.Oct 28 02:57
oiaohmReally from a secuirty point of view package management need to improveOct 28 02:58
Tekk_oiaohm: so the answer is use an rpm instead of using the official installer, because it'll definitely occur to the new ubuntu user that they can use alien :POct 28 02:58
oiaohmReally I part of a forum in the Linux standard base trying to make a standard to handle these installs come into existance.Oct 28 02:59
Tekk_also, how does keeping you from having executables in home help anyway? the users you need to watch out for here are going to just sudo cp thing /usr/binOct 28 02:59
Tekk_/Oct 28 02:59
oiaohmThat it does not exist is one of the out standing secuirty issues.Oct 28 02:59
oiaohmThe main advantage of package installing is that the binary become read only in general usage.Oct 28 03:00
oiaohmSo infections could not tamper with them and package management also prevents overwriting.Oct 28 03:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Eilean Buildhe for the ligne an tuathOct 28 03:00
oiaohmIe Linux is not to the point we can say secuirty is done complete finished.Oct 28 03:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Actually, I believe that's misspelt, but it makes no sense anyway. Apparently Gaelic doesn't have words for "for the line"Oct 28 03:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] In fact, I could dent Gaelic, but it would need to be lines from the various commentaries from BBC AlbaOct 28 03:03
oiaohmAlso system wide auditing package management helps with Tekk_Oct 28 03:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] hahnahushamagahn Glasgow 31 huansauhfdsfds Ospreys 23Oct 28 03:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] hey, if you think my dents about fedora are spam, why not talk to me about it rather than filing abuse complaints to 2tu.us?Oct 28 03:08
*Tekk_ is trying to set up mingw...Oct 28 03:14
Tekk_well, I have it set up but I need my SDL stuff with it :POct 28 03:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle invests in Mellanox (EE Times): http://bit.ly/cXfs1ROct 28 03:15
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oiaohmThe recent links just reminded me when mythbusters started messing around with biosecuirty devices.Oct 28 03:26
oiaohmLaptop finger printer scanner turned out harder than a door finger printer scanner.Oct 28 03:26
oiaohmThe door one opened with a printer out of the finger print.Oct 28 03:26
oiaohmWhen the laptop one required a mold of the finger.Oct 28 03:27
oiaohmWhat was kinda wrong.Oct 28 03:27
oiaohmAnd the door lock cost more than the laptop.Oct 28 03:27
oiaohmAlso like one of the recent one here with door being punched open with mobile phones.Oct 28 03:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The State, Direction Of The PSCNV Nouveau Fork: Christopher Bergström of PathScale has passed along a note detaili... http://bit.ly/cqDnceOct 28 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I'll be at today's http://www.infocommindustryforum.com/ #infocomm #fbOct 28 03:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I would like to attend foss.in this year - but the site is silent on the agenda etc. I wonder why there are delays? #fbOct 28 03:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @nicubunu new !fedora website is live: http://fedoraproject.org/Oct 28 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @linuxaria Introduction to Cryptography and digital sign with GnuPG !linux http://www.linuxaria.com/howto/cryptography-digital-sign-g ...Oct 28 04:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @mjjzf: You want to see something funny about Ray Ozzie's blog? http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=ozzie.net&probe=1Oct 28 04:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @magicbus WE WANT YOU!! to help out with Fedora Elections. http://ping.fm/QazNhOct 28 04:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxkernel/@linuxkernel] Linux kernel next-20101028 has been released - http://is.gd/eq2yj #linux #kernelOct 28 04:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RD @suehle Spock is a legal authority in Texas. http://www.sfwa.org/2010/10/star-trek-cited-by-texas-supreme-court/Oct 28 04:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @all1nfo: ANDROID #news: Samsung Captivate AT&T, Completed Review by CNET http://bit.ly/bmsjVB !android #androidandmeOct 28 06:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] European Parliament officially calls for open document exchange format http://is.gd/gnHtr #ooo #libreoffice #eu #romania #odfOct 28 06:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ARGENTINA BECOMES LATEST COUNTRY TO CONSIDER LEGISLATION ON OPEN STANDARDS AND DOCUMENT SHARING http://is.gd/gnI2bOct 28 06:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ODF implementors gather in Brussels for 4th ODF plugfest, October 14th - 15thOct 28 06:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Interop demo illustrates breadth and power of ODF to handle enterprise, academic and govt. needs http://is.gd/gnIpZ #odf #ooo #libreofficeOct 28 06:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ODF Alliance paper highlights what government need to know: reimplementation of OOXML http://is.gd/gnILl #ooxml #odf #eu #ooo #libreofficeOct 28 06:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] so it took a little over 12 hours but the flames have started! #fedoraOct 28 06:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz http://fedoraproject.org/en/using/life/fabianscherschel.htmlOct 28 06:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @mairin I like it. I totally don't get what people are on about....Oct 28 06:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yay! More Windows Server work for me today..... :/Oct 28 06:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @mairin I "harassed" him too. If you call defuting his nonsense claims harassment. The guy is a professional troll...Oct 28 06:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] @fabsh "harass" is definitely a powerful and in some cases legal term that shouldn't be thrown around so lightly if that is the case!Oct 28 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @mairin True. One just needs to read his timeline for a while and all becomes clear... ;)Oct 28 07:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh cool! Added to Daily LinksOct 28 07:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @mairin Well, he's free to file a case over here. I suspect the court will laugh very hard...Oct 28 07:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz :)Oct 28 07:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Where is the twitterfall at #infocomm? #fbOct 28 07:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RD @fontana RD @suehle Spock is a legal authority in Texas. http://www.sfwa.org/2010/10/star-trek-cited-by-texas-supreme-court/Oct 28 07:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fontana I find your remark specieophobic :-)Oct 28 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "He also had a photo which I had only published on Facebook. =/" @lefty - LOL, this cracks me up. Does he understand how stupid that sounds?Oct 28 07:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @mairin I don't get it. Is he complaining that someone used publicly available information? Shocking! OoOct 28 07:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Good that yenyen did not do the Oracle spin on cloud #infocommOct 28 07:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I wonder what spin the idc speaker will have? #infocommOct 28 07:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Idc == astrology == gartner etc! #infocomm #fbOct 28 07:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Idc says cios in sg getting 8-10% increase in budget in 2010. Really? I doubt it. #infocommOct 28 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ODF Alliance Newsletter: October 2010 http://ur1.ca/277nm major breakthroughs and milestones for the international document standardOct 28 07:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] New idc bs-word socialytic. #infocomm #fbOct 28 07:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @mairin: man, if you could put that amount of focus and dedication to something that would benefit the world.... it would be impressive.Oct 28 07:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Another idc bs-word "mobilution" #infocomm #fbOct 28 07:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Nearly the weekend for me, only work til 15:00 tomorrow, and Monday is a bank holiday. Yay! :)Oct 28 07:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Accenture speaker mentions numb3rs as example of analytics #infocomm #fbOct 28 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Gemalto Works With #Apple Immediately After Suing #Android / !Linux http://techrights.org/2010/10/28/apple-and-gemalto-connection/Oct 28 08:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @sankarshan Why is it that Hanlon's Razor is handy to have when dealing with government/semi-government bodies ?Oct 28 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] El Dictionary Urbano Define Mobbyist (Mobbyists – Español) http://ur1.ca/277vj #Mobbyists #microsoftOct 28 08:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Thus far the Accenture speaker makes the most sense. No bs or crystal-ball gazing. #infocomm #fbOct 28 08:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Why !linux and !chrome are better than Windows and Firefox: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/26/firefox_0day_report/Oct 28 08:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @dfscot If there isn't enough money for all Scottish Universities, the solution is not a graduate tax it's fewer Universities< s/SCO/ITA/gOct 28 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Pity that there isn't anything new #infocomm #fbOct 28 08:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Sync Chrome Tabs Across Multiple Computers With TabCloud http://bit.ly/bB1QnxOct 28 08:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bill Gates Successor (Ozzie) Appears to Have Dumped Windows for GNU/Linux on His Site http://ur1.ca/27884 #wordpress !gnu !linuxOct 28 08:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Pity that amazon cto is repeating yesterday's spiel #infocomm #fbOct 28 08:45
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amarsh04hmmm, just had a swap storm running iceweasel, icedove, konversation and OO.o at once on 384 MiB of RAM (kernel 2.6.36-git10)Oct 28 08:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @schestowitz Bill Gates Successor (Ozzie) Appears to Have Dumped Windows for GNU/Linux on His Site http://ur1.ca/27884 #wordpress !linuxOct 28 08:46
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Diablo-D3amarsh04: to be honestOct 28 08:54
Diablo-D3thats your own goddamned faultOct 28 08:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] According to MeFeedia, 54 per cent of web video is now available for playback in !html5 http://ur1.ca/278acOct 28 08:54
Diablo-D3OOo? seriously? do you KNOW how much memory that thing uses?Oct 28 08:54
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amarsh04funnily enough, I had a swap storm without even running up OO.oOct 28 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Apple Mac factory workers being poisoned by n-hexane in China, and it's not the first time: http://ur1.ca/278buOct 28 08:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: iPhones, MacBooks sicken Chinese women • The Register .::. Size~: 27.49 KBOct 28 08:55
amarsh04the swap algorithm seems to free up too much ram when a new application is startedOct 28 08:55
amarsh04back with an older kernelOct 28 08:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Whoa! What are those page previews in Google search results pages (SERPs)? Are they new? Quite nice.Oct 28 09:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Without deltacloud, any public cloud is a lock-in, mr amazon cto! #infocomm #fbOct 28 09:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Do you have question on !Unity in !Ubuntu #Natty? Ask it on askubuntu.com! http://goo.gl/2nu0Oct 28 09:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @seawolf "To view this content, please install Microsoft Silverlight.Click now to install in 30 secs!" | sed 's/install/screw yourself/'Oct 28 09:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Get a Feel of #Firefox 4 in Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat http://goo.gl/unnwOct 28 09:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Get a Feel of Firefox 4 in Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 49.15 KBOct 28 09:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @harishpillay: Without deltacloud, any public cloud is a lock-in, mr amazon cto! #infocomm #fb | #FTWOct 28 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Man.... There's a switch in this building that's patched wrong but I can't find it.... OoOct 28 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just had a full page pop-up banner ad on http://www.linuxtoday.com/ for Blackberry. Not impressed, should have been Android.Oct 28 10:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Corporate Journalism Says “Microsoft’s Consumer Brand is ‘Dying’”, Now We Need to Worry About Apple http://ur1.ca/2790c #Apple #MicrosoftOct 28 10:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Corporate Journalism Says “Microsofts Consumer Brand is Dying”, Now We Need to Worry About Apple | Techrights .::. Size~: 105.96 KBOct 28 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] ♻ @reiter: All software companies are in danger because of patents, just remember Patent Adventure V3.4 from 1994: http://ur1.ca/278vrOct 28 10:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] http://www.racetoinfinity.bt.com/ voting to say I want access to unshit Internets. ‘27 votes … of 2,454’ for my local exchangeOct 28 10:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BT - The Race to Infinity .::. Size~: 12.95 KBOct 28 10:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] time to campaign like we had to for broadband. Imagine proving your collective worth to get cleaner water… should be everyone or noone #sighOct 28 10:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Analyst is confident that RHT is here to win: http://is.gd/go1CF #FTW #RedHatRocksOct 28 10:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Must read!♻ @reiter: All software companies are in danger because of patents http://ur1.ca/278vr #fbOct 28 10:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @jwildeboer Analyst is confident that RHT is here to win: http://is.gd/go1CF #FTW #RedHatRocksOct 28 10:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @rms will be in #Switzerland for November before he returns to #Boston. http://www.fsf.org/events/rms-speeches.html !gormsOct 28 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @mairin I dunno if you have noticed, but the tummy.com banner actually links to fedoraproject.orgOct 28 10:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Where in the world is Richard Stallman? &mdash; Free Software Foundation &mdash; working together for free software .::. Size~: 34.92 KBOct 28 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice! ♻ @jwildeboer Analyst is confident that RHT is here to win: http://is.gd/go1CF #FTW #RedHatRocksOct 28 10:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Oooooh, it's SCO all over again: http://is.gd/go2Kh ORCL claims GOOG copied code 1:1 to Android. #SCOracle?Oct 28 10:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Obama was on #TheDailyShow last night.Oct 28 10:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Good stuff! ♻ @sankarshan http://tinyurl.com/283npgo Using Four Seasons of Code to help run Fedora Students Contributing program #fedoraOct 28 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @jwildeboer Oooooh, it's SCO all over again: http://is.gd/go2Kh ORCL claims GOOG copied code 1:1 to Android. #SCOracle?Oct 28 10:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: i, quaid &rsaquo; Using Four Seasons of Code to help run Fedora Students Contributing program .::. Size~: 10.46 KBOct 28 10:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: oraclevsgoogle .::. Size~: 238.12 KBOct 28 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] ♺ @jwildeboer: Oooooh, it's SCO all over again: http://is.gd/go2Kh ORCL claims GOOG copied code 1:1 to Android. #SCOracle?Oct 28 10:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "In at least several instances, Android [...] program code also was directly copied from copyrighted Oracle America code" http://is.gd/go3fmOct 28 10:36
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle: Google 'directly copied' our Java code - Computerworld .::. Size~: 79.96 KBOct 28 10:36
*amarsh04 is running a git bisect on the linux kernel to find the source of the swappiness in 2.6.36-git10Oct 28 10:38
MinceRgeekingsOct 28 10:40
amarsh04evening/morningOct 28 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Growvc is intriguing. #infocomm #fbOct 28 10:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Legal publishing company whose books I studied a lot @ university, now client of mine. I'd call it an #achievement :-)Oct 28 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @carlopiana congrats!Oct 28 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #MPEGLA Codecs and #Microsoft Racketeering Challenge the Redistributability of !Linux http://ur1.ca/279ku #swpatsOct 28 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @olpc Nicholas Negroponte on Colbert Report: http://goo.gl/qyag #OneLaptopPerChild #OLPC {MIT Media Labs is 25 years young.} /via @nanofooOct 28 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @osamak thanks :-)Oct 28 10:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @johnsu01 I understand but I've noticed that almost all @ I've seen weren't answered. I'd help,but they mostly needed an 'official position'Oct 28 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @carlopiana speaking of which, how difficult is it to be a software freedom-friendly IT lawyer?Oct 28 10:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @osamak easy, I know a few of them ;-). But they are rare and overworked.Oct 28 10:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @planetfedora Sankarshan: Thoughts about the Fedora Community Working Group: A bit back I had posted a question t-... http://bit.ly/a44dE9Oct 28 11:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @yoonkit: And the OOXML beast is finally dead in Malaysia as a National Standard. Approval by ISC-G to kill the project was agreed today.Oct 28 11:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @carlopiana what kind of work do usually do?Oct 28 11:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♺ @yoonkit: And the OOXML beast is finally dead in Malaysia as a National Standard. Approval by ISC-G to kill the project was agreed today.Oct 28 11:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] #godbless and save #filesharing.Oct 28 11:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] ftr, filesharing can be, in so many cases, legal,:) and it's mostly ethical anyway.Oct 28 11:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @osamak mainly sw licensing, tech transfer, advocacy/lobbying, antitrust, domain names & TMs, data protection, & al. Many things, actuallyOct 28 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] RT @jwildeboer ♺ @yoonkit: And the OOXML beast is finally dead in Malaysia as a National Standard. Approval by ISC-G to kill the project ...Oct 28 11:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] Richard Stallman (@RMS) à Genève pour plusieurs jours http://is.gd/go6tT conférence « éthique numérique » !april !fsfeOct 28 11:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Yesterday's steering committee phone conference now available as MP3 recording: http://ur1.ca/279ukOct 28 11:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Novell 's Markus Rex Calls Buyout of #SUSE “The Big Elephant in the Room” http://ur1.ca/279w5 #opensuse #vmware !gnu !linux #serverOct 28 11:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Novells Senior Vice President Markus Rex Calls Buyout of SUSE “The Big Elephant in the Room” | Techrights .::. Size~: 98.42 KBOct 28 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @docufoundation Yesterday's steering committee phone conference now available as MP3 recording: http://ur1.ca/279ukOct 28 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @jwildeboer @opensourcegeek @webmink well spotted! Hope we can rest this case?Oct 28 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] ♺ @yoonkit: And the OOXML beast is finally dead in Malaysia as a National Standard. Approval by ISC-G to kill the project was agreed today.Oct 28 11:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TDF/Steering Committee Meetings - The Document Foundation Wiki .::. Size~: 24.3 KBOct 28 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Your tax dollars (or pounds) at work: pr0n vans http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/10/19/x-ray-vans-security-measure-invasion-privacy/Oct 28 11:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  FoxNews.com - X-RAY VANS: Security Measure, or Invasion of Privacy? .::. Size~: 77.87 KBOct 28 11:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "The chairman of British Airways has said some "completely redundant" airport security checks" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11632944Oct 28 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Value your freedom or you will lose it, teaches history." --Richard StallmanOct 28 11:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - UK airlines back call for airport security changes   .::. Size~: 61.32 KBOct 28 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Security is closely related to confidence, which is why we have "Security Theatre" at the airport, to at least convince us we're 'protected'Oct 28 11:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Most Touch Screen ebook Readers Run on !Linux http://ur1.ca/27a5i for purely practical reasonsOct 28 11:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: steaming open cup: Most Touch Screen ebook Readers Run on Linux .::. Size~: 92.18 KBOct 28 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] أوباما شيّب.Oct 28 11:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Have Questions About Unity? Ask Them At AskUbuntu! http://bit.ly/aKlKjWOct 28 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Thinking of going to MacLaw group with iBook sporting activities big "ubuntu inside" sign #BastardinsideOct 28 11:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] Market economy is an odd religion:it makes wealthy people wealthier yet impoverishing everyone else while its clergy enjoys big incentives.Oct 28 11:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] I mean "sporting A big Ubuntu. sign". #WTFOct 28 11:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Domingo na TSF, "Direitos de Autor" com os senhores da SPA entre outros. Pelo que ouvi no anúncio não existe ninguém para o contraditório.Oct 28 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @jwildeboer I didn't read that, where are you seeing it? I saw an undefined copyright claim.Oct 28 12:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @jwildeboer I'm pleased the evidence has now gone, but I believe the sickness remains...Oct 28 12:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple accused of copyright infringement in China http://ur1.ca/27akk iDon't know what to say...Oct 28 12:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple accused of copyright infringement in China - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 171.85 KBOct 28 12:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] sent a message to the local business forum about fibre, will contact the town council later…Oct 28 12:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] now: dentist appointment.Oct 28 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Virtualbox decided to break some libraries, need to reinstall it.Oct 28 12:16
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/26/firefox_0day_report/Oct 28 12:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hackers plant Firefox 0day on Nobel Peace Prize website • The Register .::. Size~: 28.13 KBOct 28 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Barnes & Noble unveils color e-reader http://ur1.ca/27an5 yes, it runs !Linux of course, like everythingOct 28 12:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Barnes & Noble unveils color e-reader - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 159.42 KBOct 28 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Revolution Will Be Distributed http://ur1.ca/27aol "complaining that President Obama... not killing the folks behind Wikileaks."Oct 28 12:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Revolution Will Be Distributed: Wikileaks, Anonymous And How Little The Old Guard Realizes What's Going On | Techdirt .::. Size~: 99 KBOct 28 12:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @reiter All software companies are in danger because of patents, just remember Patent Adventure V3.4 from 1994: http://ur1.ca/278vrOct 28 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sony has 'shot down' a !Ubuntu ad, claiming to own part of the 'content' in YouTube (in some countries). #sony #dmca #copywrongOct 28 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] @schestowitz Sony has a long track record of being an abusive bully. since the infamous Sony Rootkit I choose to boycott them.Oct 28 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Multnomah County dumps Microsoft in favor of Google http://ur1.ca/27av4 They only swap proprietary mastersOct 28 12:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Multnomah County dumps Microsoft in favor of Google | OregonLive.com .::. Size~: 71.55 KBOct 28 12:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rysiek it's a low-profile bully, like SamsungOct 28 12:38
schestowitzSutor is pimping hypePad again http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/10/math-and-the-ipad-mathination/Oct 28 12:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Virtualbox: failed dlopen _ZNK15QAbstractSlider8pageStepEv. Suspect it's a qt prob. W/around failed, reinstall failed, e/thing #failOct 28 12:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What does The Telegraph try to tell us about the queen [IMG] http://ur1.ca/27awuOct 28 12:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] @schestowitz aye. but I bet they would *love* to be a high-profile, first-page one, like crapple.Oct 28 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @harishpillay Idc == astrology == gartner etc! #infocomm #fb >> difference is, with #Idc and #gartner you *PAY* to change predictionsOct 28 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Just renewed my !fsf membership for the second year from software freedom revenues. Proud to be part of this wonderful organization. #8035Oct 28 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Techrights has pages that document the lies and abuses of #IDC and #Gartner http://ur1.ca/27b0m http://ur1.ca/1cntq //cc @harishpillayOct 28 12:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @harishpillay Red Hat paid Forrester recently. Can't recall them paying IDC or Gangster Group; Novell pays the former, IBM the latter.Oct 28 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @richslxh Why !linux and !chrome are better than Windows and Firefox: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/26/firefox_0day_report/Oct 28 12:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hackers plant Firefox 0day on Nobel Peace Prize website • The Register .::. Size~: 28.13 KBOct 28 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] @webmink : congratuations for OpenIDM to ForgeRock!Oct 28 12:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @harishpillay Pity that amazon cto is repeating yesterday's spiel #infocomm #fb > Amazon pays Microsoft for RHEL http://ur1.ca/27b52Oct 28 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @richslxh According to MeFeedia, 54 per cent of web video is now available for playback in !html5 http://ur1.ca/278ac !fsf #playoggOct 28 12:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Holy Moly! Vatican opposes "IP" fanatism! http://is.gd/gohiP #swpat #popeOct 28 12:56
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schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_VogelsOct 28 12:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @richslxh Just had a full page pop-up banner ad on http://www.linuxtoday.com/ for Blackberry. Not impressed, should have been Android.Oct 28 13:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @jonobacon Just noticed that you still have a "Ubuntu 10.04 is here" badge on your blog. You might want to update it :)Oct 28 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Analyst huddles with Red Hat execs, ups share price http://ur1.ca/27b8y !gnu !linux #investmentOct 28 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Egbert said in 2006-2010 that Red Hat would be bought by Oracle, IBM, others. Egbert, are you there? Egbert? Those analysts are too busy...Oct 28 13:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Analyst huddles with Red Hat execs, ups share price :: The Skinny  at Local Tech Wire .::. Size~: 25.11 KBOct 28 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer Oooooh, it's SCO all over again: http://is.gd/go2Kh ORCL claims GOOG copied code 1:1 to Android. #SCOracle?Oct 28 13:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer "In at least several instances, Android[...]also was directly copied from copyrighted Oracle America code" http://is.gd/go3fmOct 28 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] @carlopiana: it definitely is a qt-related problem, probably tries to use a function that no longer exists (you can see which with c++filt)Oct 28 13:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle: Google 'directly copied' our Java code - Computerworld .::. Size~: 79.99 KBOct 28 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @yoonkit: And the OOXML beast is finally dead in Malaysia as a National Standard. Approval by ISC-G to kill the project was agreed today.Oct 28 13:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2010-10-28: Tantric TSA: The art of foreplay "I wondered what government official in what dark alley dr... http://bit.ly/cDJa8JOct 28 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @charlesschulz context? #lazy_modeOct 28 13:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] @carlopiana : ForgeRock, a company Simon is closely associated with, just unveiled its new technology stack (the former IDM stack from Sun).Oct 28 13:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @flameeyes thanks, but you suppose far too much of my computer skills ;-) and Google is of no help :-(Oct 28 13:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] We are trying to figure out which country Sony has blocked the !Ubuntu ads using #copywrong http://ur1.ca/27bd6Oct 28 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @charlesschulz oh, thanks. I obviously know Simon's association with ForgeRock ;-) But wasn't aware of this piece of news.Oct 28 13:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] I'm so behind on my homework. Any superheroes out there willing to mentor me in !c?Oct 28 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxkernel/@linuxkernel] Linux kernel 2.6.36-git11 has been released - http://is.gd/eq2yj #linux #kernelOct 28 13:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] @carlopiana: if you're not using vbox from your distro's package manager, likely a Qt upgrade (like 4.7) broke itOct 28 13:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @flameeyes ACK, fact is, I have both parts via vanilla Ubuntu w/ regular updates via Ubuntu repos. And it's even a LTS, #WTFOct 28 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Finnix 100 - Another distro I've never hard of http://ping.fm/3LudvOct 28 13:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Distribution Release: Finnix 100 (DistroWatch.com News) .::. Size~: 110.75 KBOct 28 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Finnix 100 - Another distro I've never heard of http://ping.fm/3LudvOct 28 13:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] AMD's R300 Gallium3D Driver Is Looking Good For 2011: After years of development work by Tungsten Graphics (now VM... http://bit.ly/9TdCtVOct 28 13:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Just been listening to Johnny Thunders. He has a lot in common with Iggy in as much as he was more influential after the event.Oct 28 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Moscow teacher 'fired' for supporting !opensource - THINQ.co.uk http://ping.fm/Ljex2Oct 28 13:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] A Moment of Zen: Lessons in Freedom http://ping.fm/O4133Oct 28 13:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 2 Tools for Linux Screen-Session Recording | LinuxInsider http://ping.fm/FAe2GOct 28 13:43
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gnubiejust an fyi: http://weblog.savanne.be/275-mono-developer-room-at-fosdem-2011-it-is-onOct 28 13:45
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gnubieseems fosdem will never learnOct 28 13:45
gnubiealso omg!ubuntu has ben continuing to push bansheeOct 28 13:49
gnubieseveral posts the past week or soOct 28 13:49
oiaohmReally asking the question where is the standard edition of mono.Oct 28 13:50
oiaohmCould be interesting.Oct 28 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] if they keep postponing the release, #theSteve for sure will have a new product to announce during next year's summer: a white version!Oct 28 13:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] @osamak thanks for the report!Oct 28 13:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How open source is changing the face of business | Enterprise | Real World Computing | PC Pro http://post.ly/17q9fOct 28 14:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @pookito yes, but people report this problem outside Germany too. http://ur1.ca/27bve http://ur1.ca/27bvfOct 28 14:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Intel started a news site called Intel Free Press: http://goo.gl/WxPMOct 28 14:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @carlopiana Thinking of going to MacLaw group with iBook sporting activities big "ubuntu inside" sign #BastardinsideOct 28 14:15
gnubiehave you guys seen this? http://linuxpatents.blogspot.com/2010/05/language-envy.htmlOct 28 14:17
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schestowitzgnubie: who is "PatentSleuth"?Oct 28 14:18
schestowitzSee the datesOct 28 14:18
schestowitzAround the same of the inception of Mobbyist FauxPatentsOct 28 14:18
schestowitz"A patent law enthusiast and Linux user."Oct 28 14:19
MinceRlolOct 28 14:20
schestowitzmember since July 2009Oct 28 14:20
dyfetthat is an oxymoronOct 28 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] New Firefox and Thunderbird security releases http://lwn.net/Articles/412217/rssOct 28 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] ♺ @magicfab: ♺ @schestowitz: #MPEGLA Codecs and #Microsoft Racketeering Challenge the Redistributability of #linux http://ur1.ca/279kuOct 28 14:20
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schestowitzMinceR: no patent folks love LinuxOct 28 14:20
schestowitzNot even PJ (originally)Oct 28 14:20
schestowitzPiana makes money from itOct 28 14:20
schestowitzIt's like baber who likes baldnessOct 28 14:21
MinceRi knowOct 28 14:21
schestowitzFrom: michelle_meyers http://www.scribd.com/doc/31573987/MSFT-v-Sales-Force-Complaint-WD-WashingtonOct 28 14:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: I agree with you "Corporate Journalism" is a very nice phrase.Oct 28 14:22
schestowitzI actually remember this blogOct 28 14:22
schestowitzBut Techrights never linked to itOct 28 14:23
schestowitzHow old exactly is the FauxPatents blog?Oct 28 14:24
schestowitzIIRC from MarchOct 28 14:24
schestowitzMaybe laterOct 28 14:24
schestowitzWhoaOct 28 14:24
schestowitzAprilOct 28 14:24
schestowitzSame monthOct 28 14:24
schestowitzI checked the archivesOct 28 14:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Rușii vor să renunțe la Windows http://is.gd/goq8x #microsoft #windows #free #gnu #linuxOct 28 14:25
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schestowitz"Fueled by Roy Schestowits, the relentless editor of the Boycott Novell site who specializes in controversy, propaganda and distortion and Sam Varghese  a blogger at ITWire who oddly enough also specializes in controversy, propaganda and distortion the debate has been raging on for months."Oct 28 14:27
schestowitzHahaOct 28 14:27
schestowitzLinux enthusiast or patent enthusiastOct 28 14:27
schestowitzauthor: I'll just publish proof that Linux is infringingOct 28 14:27
schestowitz"Fueled by Roy Schestowits, the relentless editor of the Boycott Novell site who specializes in controversy, propaganda and distortion and Sam Varghese  a blogger at ITWire who oddly enough also specializes in controversy, propaganda and distortion the debate has been raging on for months."Oct 28 14:28
schestowitz"Fueled by Roy Schestowits, the relentless editor of the Boycott Novell site who specializes in controversy, propaganda and distortion and Sam Varghese  a blogger at ITWire who oddly enough also specializes in controversy, propaganda and distortion the debate has been raging on for months."Oct 28 14:28
schestowitzSounds familiarOct 28 14:28
schestowitz"battery of patents"Oct 28 14:28
schestowitzCompare to "Artillery of patents"Oct 28 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2010-10-28: Tantric TSA: The art of foreplay "I wondered what government official in what dark alley dr... http://bit.ly/d8iTLIOct 28 14:28
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schestowitzLOLOct 28 14:28
schestowitz"That is the indicator that Tom Tom had approached Microsoft first about Microsoft infringing on Tom Tom's patents..."Oct 28 14:28
oiaohmThe war games are starting.Oct 28 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Open Data Alliance Centre http://bit.ly/bXsVdqOct 28 14:30
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schestowitzMany people have focused on a #mobbyist called FauxPatents, but at the same time a sister anti-Linux blog was created. http://linuxpatents.blogspot.com/Oct 28 14:30
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schestowitzI heard this spin beforeOct 28 14:30
oiaohmThere is a problem with MS attacking over patents it shows they are at a competition trouble.Oct 28 14:31
oiaohmI would love to see at least one of them decide to flat out no longer produce anything using MS OS.Oct 28 14:32
MinceRm$ doesn't seem to care about danger to itselfOct 28 14:32
gnubieschestowitz: ah, I did not know linuxpatents was a mobbyist siteOct 28 14:32
schestowitzIt doesn't match 1-to-1 with theOnionOct 28 14:32
schestowitzMaybe another mobbyistOct 28 14:32
oiaohmMinceR: Microsoft is getting desperate.Oct 28 14:32
schestowitzgnubie: read itOct 28 14:32
schestowitzIt's anti-LinuxOct 28 14:32
schestowitzBlantently evenOct 28 14:33
schestowitzAnd pro-MicrosoftOct 28 14:33
schestowitzAnyone doubing Microsoft is called paranoidOct 28 14:33
schestowitzAnd I am cursed for protestingOct 28 14:33
schestowitzThe author says "I'm a Linux user"Oct 28 14:33
schestowitzPerfect!~Oct 28 14:33
schestowitzAnd patent enthusiast LOLOct 28 14:33
schestowitzThe author threatens and mocks Linux while claiming to use it (maybe he uses it via Google.com :-) )Oct 28 14:34
oiaohm"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."   --  Mahatma GandhiOct 28 14:34
gnubieI'm afraid he might have some points about vala thoughOct 28 14:34
oiaohmMS using patents is a clear sign we are entering the 3 stage of the battle.Oct 28 14:34
oiaohmgnubie: MS comunit promise has more holes than swiss cheese.Oct 28 14:35
gnubieoiaohm: I know, but that does not make vala safeOct 28 14:35
oiaohmVala is not protected but lot of the patents over .net are most likely invalidated by prior art.Oct 28 14:35
oiaohmvala has an advantage if vala is unsafe it output standard COct 28 14:36
dyfetAny application whatsoever you write will violate software patents.  The problem is not vala, the problem is systemic and software patents.Oct 28 14:36
oiaohmSo vala can cease to exist and the application that was written in it can live on.Oct 28 14:36
oiaohmJust as a C application.Oct 28 14:36
gnubieokOct 28 14:36
oiaohmAnd there is no patents that can be applied against C language really.  Its too old.Oct 28 14:37
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oiaohmBasically something like vala for .net could provide a excape route out of .netOct 28 14:38
oiaohmSo making MS patents over .net basically worthless.  Attack everyone leaves so you are holding nothing.Oct 28 14:38
gnubiehmmOct 28 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera it's a reader who proposed it in our comments y-day. He said John Pilger uses the term "corporate journalist" (means the obvious)Oct 28 14:38
MinceRdyfet: that's no reason to run into traps.Oct 28 14:38
schestowitz<gnubie> I'm afraid he might have some points about vala thoughOct 28 14:39
gnubieshould someone write a .net compiler that generates native code? that can convert the .dll's?Oct 28 14:39
schestowitzUnity uses ValaOct 28 14:39
MinceRit's easier to find a juicy target if it screams "hey, i'm using mono!" than if it does not.Oct 28 14:39
schestowitzAnd it's written by GNOME-DO DavidOct 28 14:39
schestowitzMonoOct 28 14:39
oiaohmVala I don't fear since I can create a get out jail path.Oct 28 14:39
oiaohmMono is a different kettle of fish.Oct 28 14:39
dyfetMincer: that much is true...one need not look for extra trouble from a litigous thug....Oct 28 14:39
MinceRplus m$ controls the specs and the APIs and we know that's not healthyOct 28 14:40
oiaohmRead the MS community promise you only have coverage if you implmentation is to spec.Oct 28 14:40
schestowitz<oiaohm> vala has an advantage if vala is unsafe it output standard COct 28 14:40
schestowitzThere's another POVOct 28 14:40
MinceR(also, .net and c# are technically crap as well)Oct 28 14:40
schestowitzThe issue with Mono is near C# compatOct 28 14:40
schestowitzSo you train people to program for WindowsOct 28 14:40
schestowitzAPI domination and all, not just sw patsOct 28 14:40
oiaohmNear is not good enough to get Community promise coverage.Oct 28 14:40
oiaohmMono basically does not have coverage at all.Oct 28 14:41
oiaohmAnd it has no flee path either.Oct 28 14:41
schestowitz<oiaohm> Read the MS community promise you only have coverage if you implmentation is to specOct 28 14:42
schestowitzMono ain'tOct 28 14:42
schestowitzSam says it's not ECMA compliant at presentOct 28 14:42
oiaohmI know.Oct 28 14:42
schestowitzLike MS-OOXMLOct 28 14:42
oiaohmYep no coverage.Oct 28 14:42
schestowitzFor whichever v. of OfficeOct 28 14:42
oiaohmSo MS can free mono .net users at any time.Oct 28 14:42
oiaohmQuestion is when will they get desperate enough todo it.Oct 28 14:42
MinceR"free"?Oct 28 14:43
schestowitzWhen people ACTUALLY USE MONO :-)Oct 28 14:43
oiaohmVala MS would be stupid to attack.  Not like it will have a large effect.Oct 28 14:43
schestowitzRight now Mono is easy to put in the toiletOct 28 14:43
schestowitzYou lose just TomboyOct 28 14:43
schestowitzAnd we have gnote, data format compatibleOct 28 14:43
MinceRnot banshee?Oct 28 14:43
MinceRand f-spot?Oct 28 14:43
schestowitzSo an attack would just shoe the squirrelOct 28 14:43
MinceRand gnome-do?Oct 28 14:43
oiaohmf-spot and banshee have lots of competitors.Oct 28 14:44
MinceRthough those are easy to leaveOct 28 14:44
schestowitz<MinceR> not banshee?Oct 28 14:44
oiaohmgnome-do is not what you call stable.Oct 28 14:44
schestowitzPeople get it from reposOct 28 14:44
schestowitzOr with OpenBallnux]Oct 28 14:44
schestowitz11.3Oct 28 14:44
schestowitzrepos!=distributionOct 28 14:44
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oiaohmOnly place safe to get mono from is Novell at this stage.Oct 28 14:44
schestowitzIf you make alt reposOct 28 14:44
MinceRor from the noobuntu reposOct 28 14:44
schestowitzno needOct 28 14:44
oiaohmBut that protection is not for ever.Oct 28 14:44
schestowitzLike codecsOct 28 14:44
schestowitzPut the repos in the UK or .huyOct 28 14:45
schestowitzPut the repos in the UK or .huHeheOct 28 14:45
schestowitzHuyOct 28 14:45
schestowitzIn RussianOct 28 14:45
MinceRaccurateOct 28 14:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: Yes I saw how it came to be here, john pilger top bloke.Oct 28 14:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer You aren't thinking about buying a MacBook Air, are you? OoOct 28 14:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Suche Lasergravur in München für mein Handy und laptop - wer was weiss - bitte melden.Oct 28 14:45
MinceRthis place is dickOct 28 14:45
schestowitzStalin'sOct 28 14:45
schestowitzUSSR map is shapes like a man in need of a haircutOct 28 14:45
schestowitz*shapedOct 28 14:45
schestowitzThat's how I view the map anyway, with China and Mongolia and all...Oct 28 14:46
schestowitzChina is the faceOct 28 14:46
schestowitzRussia is a weird outlandish afroOct 28 14:46
schestowitzSouth each Asia the chinOct 28 14:46
schestowitz*eastOct 28 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] RT @jwildeboer ♺ @yoonkit: And the OOXML beast is finally dead in Malaysia as a National Standard. Approval by ISC-G to kill the project ...Oct 28 14:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh I am *thinking* of a lot, but unsure what I actually will *do* ;-)Oct 28 14:48
oiaohm "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."   --  Mahatma Gandhi  Vala on the Gandhi scale I use is still first stageOct 28 14:49
oiaohmI have not seen any MS people ridiculing Vala yet.Oct 28 14:49
oiaohmMahatma Gandhi was very observent of how people dispute.Oct 28 14:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer @stephwho Oh Jesus.... I can think of a few better ways to spend a thousand bucks.... ;)Oct 28 14:50
schestowitzoiaohm: he didn't invent itOct 28 14:51
gnubiehave they ridiculed mono?Oct 28 14:51
gnubiethey seem to push itOct 28 14:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] ♺ @fcouchet: The European Commission published Open e-Prior, its free software electronic procurement solution http://ur1.ca/27bjfOct 28 14:52
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schestowitzIIRC he possibly paraphrased another person. Verbiage is all just stuff we hear and glue in our mindOct 28 14:52
schestowitzgnubie: yeah, I was gonna say so tooOct 28 14:52
schestowitzIf anything, Microsoft might enforde ValaOct 28 14:52
schestowitz*seOct 28 14:52
schestowitz*endorseOct 28 14:52
oiaohmReally watch careful.  gnubieOct 28 14:52
oiaohmYou don't see MS personal directly pushing mono.Oct 28 14:53
oiaohmInfact there are many documented cases of them calling it a threat.Oct 28 14:53
gnubieno, but you do see their execs and developers pushing itOct 28 14:53
oiaohmIts desperation.Oct 28 14:53
schestowitzNoOct 28 14:53
oiaohmWhen mono first started MS attacked it.Oct 28 14:53
schestowitzIt's plan BOct 28 14:53
schestowitzAnd self interestOct 28 14:54
schestowitzDevs move to LinuxOct 28 14:54
oiaohmNow MS is having trouble getting developers/Oct 28 14:54
oiaohmIe mobile market.Oct 28 14:54
schestowitzSo they need them to use Guthrie et al APIs and blobsOct 28 14:54
oiaohmWe are seeing a war.Oct 28 14:54
oiaohmMono is a different game.Oct 28 14:54
gnubieschestowitz: did you see fosdem is having a mono room again?Oct 28 14:54
oiaohmMS knows they are losing and are trying to turn the game aroundOct 28 14:55
oiaohmWith mono by any means required.Oct 28 14:55
oiaohmgnubie: really it is a double sided event.Oct 28 14:55
oiaohmIt also gives people like me a chance to ask the nasty question.Oct 28 14:55
oiaohmWhere is the ECMA standard version.Oct 28 14:55
oiaohmof mono.Oct 28 14:55
gnubieare you going to fosdem?Oct 28 14:55
oiaohmRemember we were promised it gnubieOct 28 14:55
oiaohmI cannot but I know others going.Oct 28 14:56
schestowitzgnubie: yesOct 28 14:56
schestowitznoOct 28 14:56
schestowitzI mean, the roomOct 28 14:56
schestowitzI'm not goingOct 28 14:56
gnubieokOct 28 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] !gnu !linux #Novell and #opensuse uncertain future will lead probably to buyout: http://techrights.org/2010/10/28/osc-interviews/Oct 28 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Irony is being called MICRO-soft when you can't do micro computing like PMPs, phones, etc. Just a MACRO (heavy) OS for oversized PCs.Oct 28 14:57
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schestowitz<oiaohm> Remember we were promised it gnubieOct 28 14:57
schestowitzYesOct 28 14:57
schestowitzBut they did it to silence usOct 28 14:57
schestowitzAnd then they realised it would not quiet usOct 28 14:57
schestowitz..downOct 28 14:57
oiaohmIt would have silenced us a lot if they had of done what they promised.Oct 28 14:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @mossgarden: I'm going to go buy black and yellow nail polish because I want bee nailsOct 28 15:00
oiaohmThis is also the problem for novel/ms if novell gets aquire in piceces and mono gets left behind.Oct 28 15:01
oiaohmMS may be forced to directly support the product so removing the patent cards from the table.Oct 28 15:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] After spending two episodes catching up, we’re happy to report our podcast is back to Thursdays: http://bit.ly/diTvZaOct 28 15:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Finnix 100 released http://blog.finnix.org/2010/10/28/finnix-100-released/ "Finnix 100 comes over a year since its previous release..."Oct 28 15:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Nikolai Dante is half the reason I don't read 200AD any more. The other half being the equally more-fun-to-write-than-read Sinister Dexter.Oct 28 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @gbraad ..keep postponing the release, #theSteve for sure will have a new product to announce during next year's summer: a white version!Oct 28 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] @mairin #Fedora website says it's "100% free". Last time I checked this was not true because of non free firmware. Any changes? !gnuOct 28 15:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] How crowd-sourcing debunked HP prof's claim that n != NP (Science News): http://bit.ly/dvJUCSOct 28 15:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Can we please collectively break this stupid starhub code injection? http://ur1.ca/27cgh #fbOct 28 15:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @linuxdevices Digi-key is shipping a 1080p-ready devel board based on Cortex-A9 http://is.gd/govNz !ARM !PandaBoardOct 28 15:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] @graziano it says "Fedora is 100% gratis"Oct 28 15:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Yay! My Sintel DVD arrived!Oct 28 15:27
schestowitzoiaohm: VMB_ware might carry on with MonoOct 28 15:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Pixman 0.20.0 Is Here With Performance Improvements: Just over a week ago we reported on Pixmain gaining improved ... http://bit.ly/clNTxkOct 28 15:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @graziano it's like those fruit juices that say 100% "pure" or 100% "natural" or 100% "fresh" or 100% "concentrated juice" //cc @mairin #PROct 28 15:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @graziano prices are measured in absolute values, not % proportions. How about "free of charge and freedom-respecting"? ;-)Oct 28 15:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Have an idea for a TV series where every week an astrologer is called in by police to work out which stars were responsible for a crime.Oct 28 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @mairin Thanks for the defense :) - I'm glad people are starting to notice that it's not all my fault and that he is a troll who goads pplOct 28 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] watching Obama on The Daily Show - http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-27-2010/barack-obama-pt--1 #fbOct 28 15:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] What do you do when someone stalks your blog, sends harassing emails, dents everyone in your volunteer groups and gets you fired? interpol?Oct 28 15:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @ender2070 To know him is to ignore him. Nobody takes him seriously. At all.Oct 28 15:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] ♻ @docufoundation steering committee phone conference available as MP3 recording: http://ur1.ca/279uk ≀ impressive, better than @w3c html wgOct 28 15:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Leading Spanish Travel Operator Chooses Red Hat to Virtualize Its IT Environment http://ur1.ca/27cqg Spanair downed by Windows malwareOct 28 15:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] PS - downed as in plane crash, not downtime... or plane downtime, which is not exactly an acceptable downtime to have with gravity (9.8).Oct 28 15:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft's results are out shortly, but it reshuffled the chairs on deck (divisions merging, bucket game), so look beyond _spin_.Oct 28 15:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Distrust everyone in whom the impulse to punish is powerful!" -Friedrich NietzscheOct 28 15:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] @schestowitz That reshuffling is often the first sign of significant trouble--major losses, departure of lots of top mgrs, acct problems.Oct 28 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Fedora to (try to) remove setuid files for F15 http://lwn.net/Articles/412237/rssOct 28 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2010-10-28: Tantric TSA: The art of foreplay "I wondered what government official in what dark alley dr... http://bit.ly/d0oPUKOct 28 15:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @schestowitz indeed. you can PAY idc/garner/etc for a report that favours you :-).Oct 28 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @schestowitz RT @harishpillay Pity that amazon cto is repeating yesterday's spiel #infocomm #fb > Amazon pays Microsoft for RHEL htt ...Oct 28 16:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Fedora 14 Dives Deeply into Memory Debugging - with video from Red Hat engineer Will Cohen! http://ur1.ca/27cy8Oct 28 16:17
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rb2_heyOct 28 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @graziano no, it's also in their mission to support as much hardware as possible, IE have the firmwareOct 28 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @graziano Debian is now fully free though, in squeeze. They moved the nonfree firmware into contribOct 28 16:20
rb2_Hey people. What do you think of this logo? http://www.comunasdigitales.cl/2010/index.phpOct 28 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @graziano contrary to what I heard it isn't in the firmware-linux-nonfree package though, it's separate for each thing.Oct 28 16:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @graziano ati-nonfree for example, so you can have varying levels of free too of you likeOct 28 16:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Jolicloud 1.1 Hands On http://ur1.ca/27d1n "Jolicloud 1.1 will be provided as an upgrade for existing Jolicloud 1.0 users."Oct 28 16:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] My take on the leaking pipeline: http://wp.me/pT1St-4H !bio !scienceOct 28 16:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Kubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Review http://maketecheasier.com/kubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-review/2010/10/27 !kde !gnu !linux #reviewOct 28 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ultimate Edition 2.8 http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/10/27/ultimate-edition-2-8/ Yet another nice flavour of !UbuntuOct 28 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] @schestowitz Yes I should have rephrased: there are people who make music and people who exploit themOct 28 16:28
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schestowitz*LOL*Oct 28 16:30
schestowitzme at ashimmy (at) hotmail dot comOct 28 16:30
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/open-source-projects-have-protect-their-brandOct 28 16:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Open Source Fact and Fiction: Open Source Projects Have To Protect Their Brand | Network World .::. Size~: 82.49 KBOct 28 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Always impressed when I see the work of the Ubuntu Beginners Team - http://is.gd/goCR7 - great first port of call! #ubuntuOct 28 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] @schestowitz No, I just thought it would be really funny if that was the cause; they didn't say anything specificOct 28 16:30
schestowitz"Oct 28 16:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu Beginners Team - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 24.4 KBOct 28 16:30
schestowitzAlan ShimelOct 28 16:30
schestowitzBack to Open Source SubnetOct 28 16:30
schestowitzOpen Source Fact and FictionOct 28 16:30
schestowitz"Oct 28 16:30
schestowitzAs I said before, the guy is a MicrosofthadOct 28 16:30
schestowitz*headOct 28 16:30
schestowitzAnd this dude as well: http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/open-source-trademarksOct 28 16:32
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schestowitzAlmost everyone there is FOSS-hostile, maybe except ZonkerOct 28 16:32
schestowitzAnd Zonker is no FS type either, he's a pragmatist, but least FOSS-hostile in IDG's pseudo-source cornerOct 28 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It's nice to know that IDG's "Open Source Fact and Fiction" is not only spreading MSFT-like FUD but it also run by a Hotmail.com user. :-)Oct 28 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @trashbird1240 they spin it as "marketing" them, not exploiting them. It's a meta-industry.Oct 28 16:35
schestowitzSystem 76 Starling Netbook Review http://www.ghacks.net/2010/10/27/system-76-starling-netbook-review/ !ubuntu !gnu !linuxOct 28 16:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Novell Appliance Architect shares his favorites so far in the Disters Contest. Someone is gonna win $10K! http://bit.ly/b95e5nOct 28 16:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @harishpillay “Analysts sell out - that’s their business model…" --Microsoft http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdfOct 28 16:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lnxwalt140 indeedOct 28 16:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @schestowitz and it is a pity that not enough people realize this - people with the purse strings.Oct 28 16:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @harishpillay it's a taboo subject, like "trust the official news (it's never propaganda!)", your money _really_ exists in the bank, etc.Oct 28 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @quaid @fontana @suehle Now we need to start looking for Spock references where he is clearly against software patents ... #swpatsOct 28 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] You're making decisions by consensus, but are you collaborating? | http://bit.ly/abUMby #cultureOct 28 16:48
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MinceRhttp://fun.drno.de/pics/english/3186_00e8_480.jpegOct 28 16:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Ubuntu 11.04 Unity - Poll results http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/48654/results vote now http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/48654Oct 28 16:55
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schestowitzMinceR: pure fantasy - being able to readOct 28 16:58
schestowitzAnd navigate.... With one buttonOct 28 16:58
MinceR:>Oct 28 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #HypePhone "pure fantasy" [IMG] http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/3186_00e8_480.jpeg #Apple #humourOct 28 16:58
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schestowitzI used one a few days agoOct 28 16:58
schestowitzWhy any buttons at all? I didn't get it. Like it's a mole at the side/bottom of a platter.... misfit no matter how you hold itOct 28 16:59
schestowitzIt's not even a smart button like one that has multi-sensory abilitiesOct 28 17:00
schestowitzIt's just a clicky oneOct 28 17:00
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schestowitzIf they had one like those old ones from laptops, then OK, you have more expression with the buttonOct 28 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !KDE 4.5.2 available for #Mandriva 2010 !! http://ur1.ca/27da0 Excellent distro. Good for XP escapeesOct 28 17:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Seriously considering getting a new #google account !fsOct 28 17:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Control what is on your computer screen using only your mind! (Medical Daily): http://bit.ly/9kCQuqOct 28 17:20
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MinceRi do that all the timeOct 28 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why Newbies Should Use !Linux http://www.dragonblogger.com/newbies-linux/ it's very easy, I saw them use itOct 28 17:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] @tekk debian is not fully free even with some firmware removed. Please see what !linuxlibre removes: http://ur1.ca/44ca @lxoOct 28 17:22
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MinceRmy mind controls my fingers, my fingers control the input devices and that controls what is on the screenOct 28 17:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] @tekk debian is not fully free even with some firmware removed. Please see what !linuxlibre removes: http://ur1.ca/44ca @lxolivaOct 28 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] it seems that LibreOffice beta 2 made it to the Kubuntu repos. Anyone can confirm it? #kubuntu #libreoffice #docufoundationOct 28 17:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google Is Now Providing Servants to Its Employees (Valleywag): http://gaw.kr/9kX3eEOct 28 17:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] So ppl carries around a macbook air AND an ipad because they're lighter than an ordinary laptop? Am I missing anything?Oct 28 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @jwildeboer Wouldn't that make it a #GPL enforcement lawsuit? (patent part aside) Crazy stuff...Oct 28 17:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] MeeGo 1.1 Has Arrived For Intel Atom & ARMv7: The developers behind the MeeGo operating system, the Linux-based di... http://bit.ly/aLVuSnOct 28 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] W3C Launches Web Events Working Group http://ow.ly/19GoczOct 28 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] W3C Invites Developers to Meetup in Lyon (4 November) http://ow.ly/19GocAOct 28 17:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Now this is just genius: http://ur1.ca/27doh - Man, I love !Fallout to bits! #NewVegas :DOct 28 17:43
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MinceRrotflOct 28 17:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to a movie night with friends. Don't really want to, I'm buggered. Had a terrible day.... XxOct 28 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @nailuj Oracle, promoting Java in !fedora ;-) http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-October/144786.htmlOct 28 17:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh god I feel terrible. If I could shoot somebody that would actually help I think...Oct 28 17:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] RT @kabissa: Almost time to launch upgrade of Kabissa org directory powered by @civicrm - contact me if you'd like to preview and help testOct 28 17:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 28/10/2010: #Finnix 100 Released, Colour E-reader With !Linux , #Mozilla #Firefox 4 Delayed http://ur1.ca/27dufOct 28 18:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dyfet/@dyfet] methods, concepts, and code that was previously licensed explicitly for re-use; looks like Oracle is truly pulling a SCOOct 28 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz The needs of many outweighs the needs of few - Spock - The wrath of Khan - Spock on software patents and copyrightOct 28 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Second time I agree Boris JohnsonOct 28 18:08
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trashbird1240YoOct 28 18:09
schestowitzHeyOct 28 18:09
trashbird1240can you recommend a good jabber service?Oct 28 18:09
trashbird1240Not google!Oct 28 18:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] @schestowitz Can you recommend a free jabber provider?Oct 28 18:10
trashbird1240any that use OpenID?Oct 28 18:11
schestowitzHmm...Oct 28 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Looked at ShadowStats today. Unvarnished US unemployment around 22%? 1930s peak was about 24-25%. http://cli.gs/D4vvmNOct 28 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] 6% of 6bn is actually 360m #CrapNewsOct 28 18:12
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schestowitzI haven't used IM since 2004 IIRCOct 28 18:12
trashbird1240Yes, and I wouldn't if I didn't have lots of friends who've never heard of irc!Oct 28 18:12
schestowitzAnd I only installed it to keep in touch with girlfriendsOct 28 18:12
trashbird1240I don't have a girlfriend any more ;)Oct 28 18:12
schestowitzIRC is better and I liked E-mail too at the timeOct 28 18:12
schestowitzIM is too distractingOct 28 18:13
trashbird1240I agreeOct 28 18:13
schestowitzReal-time, unlike E-mailOct 28 18:13
trashbird1240IRC is bestOct 28 18:13
trashbird1240ytalk was always my favoriteOct 28 18:13
schestowitzIRC is a group thingOct 28 18:13
trashbird1240not communal like ircOct 28 18:13
schestowitzSo I can be idle for hoursOct 28 18:13
trashbird1240but instant, and with improved joke capabilityOct 28 18:13
schestowitzI can go away without informingOct 28 18:13
trashbird1240I see identi.ca as really really slow ircOct 28 18:14
trashbird1240I'm thinking about IM because I have lots of friends that it would be good to chat with (even local people)Oct 28 18:14
trashbird1240but they're on twitter, facebook, etcOct 28 18:14
trashbird1240which I refuse to beOct 28 18:14
trashbird1240IM may be a good middle groundOct 28 18:14
schestowitzEw...Oct 28 18:15
schestowitzFBOct 28 18:15
MinceRDFBOct 28 18:15
MinceRFTFYOct 28 18:15
schestowitzWhere they shove IM down your throatOct 28 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Micro$oft brand is dying. Is M$ worse now ?No, it's bad as it ever been. Consumers are getting smart and aware, that is http://bit.ly/as8IY2Oct 28 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @nailuj: Oracle, promoting Java in !fedora ;-) http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-October/144786.htmlOct 28 18:15
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trashbird1240yes, facebook stinksOct 28 18:15
trashbird1240but I'll just quietly stay awayOct 28 18:15
schestowitztrashbird1240: I read identicaOct 28 18:15
trashbird1240?Oct 28 18:15
schestowitzTwitter has always been shadow accountOct 28 18:15
schestowitzIdentica sends copies thereOct 28 18:16
schestowitzAll we get here are dents, not tweetsOct 28 18:16
schestowitzThose are what I reply toOct 28 18:16
trashbird1240right...but if *I* were to do that, then I _would_ be on twitterOct 28 18:16
trashbird1240right?Oct 28 18:16
trashbird1240I would need a twitter accountOct 28 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @threethirty: Stop your money from funding USChamber's corporate takeover -- ask your local chamber to leave today: http://bit.ly/c7tXy7Oct 28 18:17
schestowitzyesOct 28 18:17
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schestowitzMany have those, TechrightsBot-trOct 28 18:17
schestowitzAs phantom accountsOct 28 18:17
schestowitzSo that when people send copies there (like me) they don't go into orphaned account in twitterOct 28 18:17
schestowitzSo when I dent something to @trashbird1240 it also goes to twitterOct 28 18:18
schestowitzIf you have no account there, then it looks weird when identica mails copies thereOct 28 18:18
trashbird1240Sooo...you're saying I'm already on twitter ;)Oct 28 18:18
schestowitzOriginally I did only identi.caOct 28 18:18
schestowitzLater on I created another account of the same name in Twitter. Glynmoody did the opposite, starting in TwitterOct 28 18:19
trashbird1240Can I do everything across twitter->identi.ca?Oct 28 18:19
schestowitztrashbird1240: noOct 28 18:19
schestowitzNot unless you set up an account in twitterOct 28 18:19
trashbird1240If my friend tweets, I don't get it on identi.caOct 28 18:19
schestowitztrashbird1240: noOct 28 18:19
trashbird1240(supposing I do set up an account on twitter)Oct 28 18:19
schestowitzJust identica->twitterOct 28 18:19
schestowitzTwitter is ego-centric AFAIKOct 28 18:19
trashbird1240what do you mean?Oct 28 18:19
trashbird1240ego-centric?Oct 28 18:20
schestowitzIt does not acknowledge/recognise other servicesOct 28 18:20
trashbird1240I seeOct 28 18:20
schestowitzAnalogyOct 28 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2010-10-28: Tantric TSA: The art of foreplay "I wondered what government official in what dark alley dr... http://bit.ly/cPhQwbOct 28 18:20
trashbird1240I didn't even use hot sauce on my lunch!Oct 28 18:20
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schestowitzLinux will read NTFS-formatted driveOct 28 18:20
schestowitzWindows won't give a blip about ExtAnythingOct 28 18:20
trashbird1240I also see that having multiple services going can be distractingOct 28 18:21
schestowitzIt's a problem when I give my external hard-drives to Winders [sic] usersOct 28 18:21
trashbird1240I'm doing a comparison of online communities that I will post on my blogOct 28 18:21
schestowitztrashbird1240: I linked to your blog twice yesterdayOct 28 18:21
trashbird1240I just saw this on a Google results page: "Google is a trademark of Google"Oct 28 18:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Profiles of !fedora users including @sparks @robynbergeron @ashcrow @fabsh @mairin http://fedoraproject.org/en/using/#interviewsOct 28 18:22
trashbird1240Yes, I noticed!Oct 28 18:22
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schestowitztrashbird1240: it isOct 28 18:22
schestowitzTMOct 28 18:22
schestowitzLet's see if they can get Googol tooOct 28 18:22
trashbird1240I'm just glad they didn't co-opt "googol"Oct 28 18:22
trashbird1240Now most of my students have never heard of "googol"Oct 28 18:23
schestowitzI'll do a post about identica in a moOct 28 18:23
schestowitzTrying to attract more users to itOct 28 18:23
trashbird1240I actually read somebody saying "Twitter had infrastructure problems, so we all defected to identi.ca...now I'm going back."Oct 28 18:23
MinceRschestowitz: just give those winblows users an Ext2IFS or the Total Commander plugin that can handle (maybe readonly) ext2/3Oct 28 18:23
trashbird1240My current problem is connotea (academic social  bookmarking site)Oct 28 18:24
trashbird1240It's been down for more than 24 hours, including when I was finishing a poster and needed some of the reference I saved thereOct 28 18:24
trashbird1240I'm looking for an alternativeOct 28 18:24
trashbird1240I think they're overrun with spamOct 28 18:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] A month of LibreOffice: http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2010/10/28/a-month-of-libreoffice/ #libreoffice #docufoundation #communityOct 28 18:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] #CiviCRM 3.3 alpha2 is now on our download servers: http://bit.ly/bMHgn3 Help QA the release .OR try it on our sandbox: http://bit.ly/5ihNvDOct 28 18:27
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trashbird1240Okay, I've created a jabber id on jabber.orgOct 28 18:27
trashbird1240Let's see if empathy worksOct 28 18:27
schestowitz<MinceR> schestowitz: just give those winblows users an Ext2IFS or the Total Commander plugin that can handle (maybe readonly) ext2/3Oct 28 18:28
schestowitzI don't feel like bothering to learn new tools that are associated with WindowsOct 28 18:28
schestowitz<trashbird1240> I think they're overrun with spamOct 28 18:28
schestowitzThat's why many social networks shut downOct 28 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I thought people who bought modern art were halfwits at the best of times, so how can they tell "fakes" from the real shit?Oct 28 18:28
schestowitzOr get lockedOct 28 18:28
schestowitzMine includedOct 28 18:28
schestowitzAnd Propeller died due to it too, I thinkOct 28 18:28
schestowitzOnce you neglect it, it'll get filled with more spam than signalOct 28 18:29
MinceRschestowitz: you don't need to bother with learning new tools, they do :>Oct 28 18:29
schestowitzThen, the users go away tooOct 28 18:29
schestowitzAnd you become just an abandoned spam farm with nothing by spammers running the cmsOct 28 18:29
schestowitzThat's why I no longer start new Web s/w... for nowOct 28 18:29
schestowitzAfter a while I'm overrun by spammersOct 28 18:30
schestowitzAnd have to pay extra bandwith bills for the script kiddies who play on it, ruining the dbOct 28 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Lots of security updates for Thursday http://lwn.net/Articles/412251/rssOct 28 18:30
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schestowitz*widthOct 28 18:30
schestowitz<MinceR> schestowitz: you don't need to bother with learning new tools, they do :>Oct 28 18:30
schestowitzThey won't botherOct 28 18:30
schestowitzThey just whine to other people about Windows worms tooOct 28 18:31
MinceRthen they won't be able to read your block devices :>Oct 28 18:31
schestowitzTHEIR LOSS!Oct 28 18:31
schestowitzoopsOct 28 18:31
schestowitzMy CAPS is badOct 28 18:31
schestowitzit gets stuck downOct 28 18:31
schestowitzI hate that.Oct 28 18:31
MinceRtime for a new keyboard? :>Oct 28 18:31
schestowitzyeah... I keep procrastinatingOct 28 18:31
schestowitzIt's a decent keyboard, just this none flawOct 28 18:32
schestowitzI could train to use the right SHIFT keyOct 28 18:32
schestowitzSubconsciously I already press the left one differently than I use toOct 28 18:32
schestowitz*usedOct 28 18:32
trashbird1240Wow; I knew that posting was going to be provocativeOct 28 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] This Tommy Sheridan trial is totally devoid of interest #BBCNews #CrapNewsOct 28 18:33
trashbird1240Somebody's already linked to (and posted an excerpt from) a blog posting I made two hours agoOct 28 18:33
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_GoblinBonjour all...Oct 28 18:39
MinceRo haiOct 28 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] LinuxPlanet - Tutorials - GIMP Tricks for Isolating Parts of Images - Erasing to Alpha http://ping.fm/q3H4oOct 28 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] MeeGo 1.1 released http://lwn.net/Articles/412284/rssOct 28 18:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: MeeGo 1.1 released [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 6.15 KBOct 28 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Eye on Security: Consequences of #Microsoft #Windows Malware http://techrights.org/2010/10/28/internet-anxiety-news/Oct 28 18:42
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_GoblinFound an Amiga BBS....Oct 28 18:42
_Goblingreat stuff!Oct 28 18:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Oracle, Android and the copy claims: http://bit.ly/9dnQoP [Carlo's assertion this is a reimplementation not a copy seems sound]Oct 28 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @fontana: Profiles of !fedora users including @sparks @robynbergeron @ashcrow @fabsh @mairin http://fedoraproject.org/en/using/#interviewsOct 28 18:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @webmink: Oracle, Android and the copy claims: http://bit.ly/9dnQoP [Carlo's assertion this is a reimplementation not a copy seems sound]Oct 28 18:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle, Android and the copy claims: SCO all over again? | carlodaffara.conecta.it .::. Size~: 57.92 KBOct 28 18:53
schestowitz_Goblin: I do another quick post about our audiocastOct 28 18:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @corq: Oracle: Google 'directly copied' our Java code http://zd.net/baaymK #scoracle #scroogleOct 28 18:55
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dyfetIt is very SCOish...Oct 28 18:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Interesting. Comment spam is crushing the DoFollow movement. http://www.scratch99.com/2009/05/bye-bye-dofollow/Oct 28 18:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @erikjfisher: Facebook Now Tries to Tell the Story Between Two Friends http://t.co/tB6xSHROct 28 18:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Invitation to Identi.ca http://ur1.ca/27eeu Recommendation of #Identica as a Free software-based networkOct 28 19:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] trying to think of a reasonably elegant way to load sprite sheets in my lib, LoadUniformTiles(tile.width, tile.height, image.w, image.h)?Oct 28 19:07
_Goblinschestowitz: sorry roy...was getting Daniels milk ready.....Oct 28 19:09
_Goblinschestowitz: Im basically ready when you are....Oct 28 19:09
_GoblinRichard has been back to my blog trying his hardest......Oct 28 19:10
_GoblinI think Ive seen the last of him for a while now....Oct 28 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz Invitation to Identi.ca http://ur1.ca/27eeu Recommendation of #Identica as a Free software-based networkOct 28 19:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Confession time....watched TV (a rarity for me) and really enjoyed Poirot last night....very very good....Oct 28 19:13
schestowitz_Goblin: we could do an episode tonight thenOct 28 19:17
_Goblinyep...I'll let you know when Daniels gone to bed....Oct 28 19:17
_Goblinunless you want him on!Oct 28 19:17
schestowitzCool.Oct 28 19:17
_Goblinhes got a new truck he can talk about!Oct 28 19:18
schestowitzWe could have him on, adding family atmosphere if you fund that suitableOct 28 19:18
schestowitzWhich reminds me..Oct 28 19:18
schestowitzI changed my identica avatar todayOct 28 19:18
schestowitzThat old one was sillier than the one I have nowOct 28 19:18
_GoblinI was saying a week or so ago....if you ask him what OS is the best...he says "inucks"Oct 28 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[einfeldt/@einfeldt] RT @partimus Got the 3d grade teacher's printer problem solved; she was just low on ink! Didn't know how to check it!Oct 28 19:18
schestowitzI want to go for quantity in the showOct 28 19:19
schestowitzNot just qualityOct 28 19:19
schestowitzCause I like high pace :-)Oct 28 19:19
schestowitzWhich means we can introduce the show without preparation and stating this in advanceOct 28 19:19
schestowitzFree micOct 28 19:19
schestowitzWe could record in a moment and upload on SUndayOct 28 19:20
schestowitzOr Monday rathejr...Oct 28 19:20
schestowitzAround the 1st/Oct 28 19:20
schestowitzI need a calendarOct 28 19:20
schestowitzif it's freestyle, then we can get the wordflow going for several short shows per weekOct 28 19:21
schestowitz*workiflowOct 28 19:21
schestowitzMaybe even 10 shows per monthOct 28 19:21
schestowitzUp to you... I read the news a lotOct 28 19:21
schestowitzSo on the show I can bring up to date wrt news and then discussOct 28 19:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] If anyone says the letters "OMG" in the real world, I need to kill themOct 28 19:22
schestowitzOur expertise is stuff like trolls and abuse by monopolists, I reckon.Oct 28 19:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[einfeldt/@einfeldt] RT @partimus Also got the 3d grade teacher's computer upgraded to a newer version of Ubuntu GNU-Linux.Oct 28 19:23
cubezzzTime Traveller (maybe):Oct 28 19:27
cubezzzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6a4T2tJaSUOct 28 19:27
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_Goblinschestowitz: sorry roy...nappy emergency......back nowOct 28 19:27
_Goblinschestowitz: (not mine I hasten to add)Oct 28 19:27
schestowitzWe can record in 10 minutes... I'm finishing a post :-)Oct 28 19:28
schestowitzWe have Unity (Canonical) to talk about and lots of news I collectedOct 28 19:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Oracle, Android and the copy claims: SCO all over again? - http://bit.ly/9kue0y @cdaffara does the diffs #oracle #androidOct 28 19:28
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_GoblinYeah..I;ll wait until Daniel drops off to sleepOct 28 19:28
_GoblinShould be around 830Oct 28 19:29
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_Goblin@channel: http://news.softpedia.com/news/New-Koobface-Variant-Infects-Linux-too-163450.shtmlOct 28 19:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: New Koobface Variant Infects Linux Systems - Softpedia .::. Size~: 51.59 KBOct 28 19:29
_Goblinseems like bad news.....Oct 28 19:29
_Goblinuntil a researcher makes a point:Oct 28 19:29
_GoblinResearchers have repeatedly advised that as their market share increases, malware authors will begin viewing these platforms as attractive targets.Oct 28 19:29
_Goblinso Linux is a viable target?  Must be more than 1 or 2 people using it.Oct 28 19:30
cubezzzthere's more than one or two using it in hereOct 28 19:31
_Goblinyep!Oct 28 19:32
_Goblincubezz: I don't know if you saw my dent....found an Amiga BBS!Oct 28 19:32
cubezzzI sawOct 28 19:32
_Goblinheaven!Oct 28 19:32
cubezzz_Goblin, did you see the time travel vid on youtube?Oct 28 19:33
_Goblinno...?Oct 28 19:33
cubezzzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6a4T2tJaSUOct 28 19:33
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_GoblinI'll watch now! Thanks!Oct 28 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] i'm really amazed at how many helpful bug reports we've been getting on the new !fedora website. please keep them coming!Oct 28 19:33
cubezzzit's a bit oddOct 28 19:33
_GoblinYep its on now...Oct 28 19:35
cubezzzI have a couple of usually pictures from 1910 eraOct 28 19:35
cubezzzunusualOct 28 19:35
cubezzzone person in a crowd is dressed very different from everyone else...Oct 28 19:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] @graziano if explanation that it is "100% gratis" isn't sufficient, definitely open to changes in wording. non english trans should be clearOct 28 19:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The High Price of an #Apple and the Cost of Name Monopolies (Trademarks) http://ur1.ca/27erc #sweatshop #china #IntellectualMonopolyOct 28 19:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @bruce89 careful you don't attend any spelling bee's where the topic is "modern internet shorthand" ;pOct 28 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2010-10-28: Tantric TSA: The art of foreplay "I wondered what government official in what dark alley dr... http://bit.ly/a4u55BOct 28 19:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "The right goal is not to cut our carbon emissions in half. The right goal is zero." - http://bit.ly/btdDLx kudos to #billgates for thatOct 28 19:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Toys R Us Adds Android Tablet To The Shelf - http://bit.ly/cSb9K1 £89.99 for 7". wow, mainstream or what? #android #toysOct 28 19:43
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_Goblincubezzz: very strangeOct 28 19:43
_Goblincubezzz: not wanting to cheapen it....but it put me in mind of.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0q-kqvA-HoOct 28 19:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Limits of Openness? - http://bit.ly/amBkXs Blender shows why there might be some #blender #openness #gpl #ccOct 28 19:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: open...: The Limits of Openness? .::. Size~: 71.4 KBOct 28 19:47
cubezzzah yes RappaportOct 28 19:48
cubezzzkilled himself as I rememberOct 28 19:48
_Goblincubezzz: sort of out of place in time...but fit as well...Oct 28 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Malta government starts consultation to increase use of open source - http://bit.ly/92Xfvj lots of interesting links at bottom #malta #ossOct 28 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Putting 'Game Pieces' Together Online To Win Something Patented; All The Big Social Gaming Companies Sued - http://bit.ly/9jCiXw patheticOct 28 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The British Library's Future: Shiny, Locked-Down Knowledge? - http://bit.ly/dd6oRG how did the great BL come to this? #copyright #librariesOct 28 19:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Malta government starts consultation to increase use of open source &mdash;  .::. Size~: 29.98 KBOct 28 19:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Putting 'Game Pieces' Together Online To Win Something Patented; All The Big Social Gaming Companies Sued | Techdirt .::. Size~: 47.67 KBOct 28 19:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The British Library's Future: Shiny, Locked-Down Knowledge? - Open Enterprise .::. Size~: 66.5 KBOct 28 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Database right: proving infringement - http://bit.ly/9SDiE8 rare case on demonstrably counterproductive monopoly #databaserightOct 28 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Big Pharma Stranglehold: Thwarting India As Independent Maker Of Blockbuster HIV Drugs? - http://bit.ly/cyDxQa neocolonialism kills #aidsOct 28 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Has illegal filesharing just become "a little cheaper" in Germany? - http://bit.ly/as3rFv "courts adopt rather pragmatic real life approach"Oct 28 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @yoonkit the #OOXML beast is finally dead in #Malaysia as a National Standard. Approval by ISC-G to kill the project was agreed today.Oct 28 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] (3) Complete Sets of Bach Cantatas on Spotify - http://bit.ly/9Jcy4u greatest store of unknown masterpieces in existence #bach #spotifyOct 28 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Extracts of India's Intervention to the WTO TRIPS Council: ACTA - http://bit.ly/c2jMtI "not sure that ACTA is TRIPS compliant"; good pointsOct 28 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Some data on OSS TCO: results from past projects - http://bit.ly/9Bqzj5 interesting figures #opensource #tcoOct 28 19:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Francis Davey: Database right: proving infringement .::. Size~: 40.32 KBOct 28 19:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Intellectual Property Watch  » Blog Archive   » Big Pharma Stranglehold: Thwarting India As Independent Maker Of Blockbuster HIV Drugs? .::. Size~: 65.73 KBOct 28 19:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The IPKat: Has illegal filesharing just become "a little cheaper" in Germany? .::. Size~: 90.87 KBOct 28 19:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Spotify Classical Playlists: Complete Sets of Bach Cantatas on Spotify .::. Size~: 75.8 KBOct 28 19:50
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*Tekk_ (~user@cpe-071-077-209-233.ec.res.rr.com) has joined #techrightsOct 28 19:51
Tekk_I think miguel de icaza posted on (what I assume is) lefty's blogOct 28 19:51
Tekk_http://gnuski.blogspot.com/2010/10/apple-osx-apt.html#c2435311653598453386Oct 28 19:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Moscow Teacher 'Fired' Over Open Software Plea - http://bit.ly/agU8jJ more bullying in Russian education #russia #opensourceOct 28 19:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] My iPad Magazine Stand - http://bit.ly/9j3YlR good post about magazine apps: "bloated, user-unfriendly" #apps #publishingOct 28 19:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @schestowitz: The High Price of an #Apple and the Cost of Name Monopolies (Trademarks) http://ur1.ca/27erc #crappleOct 28 19:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Big name firms form alliance to drive cloud standards - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11641158 !microsoft cut out? Good read !bbcOct 28 19:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Malta government starts consultation to increase use of open source - http://bit.ly/92Xfvj lots of interesting links at bo ...Oct 28 19:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @corq: RT @wired: Chris Nolan refuses to make his third Batman movie "Dark Knight Rises" in 3D. http://lat.ms/9KNwyV Good for him!Oct 28 19:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nolan: Dark Knight Rises finds the future in IMAX, not 3-D   | Hero Complex  Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 120.57 KBOct 28 19:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Court Slams Music Pirate With Huge Fine – of $41.00 http://tinyurl.com/2fhpfj8 !tpb !piracy !filesharing !bittorrentOct 28 19:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Tired but thrilled. Awesome week, great people. Rock and roll.Oct 28 19:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] @glynmoody In the US, at least, we could start by installing zero-price solar / wind generation in all homes & businesses in certain regionsOct 28 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr Tekk_ tessier ThistleWeb Thrae trashbird1240 TRIdentica TRT Oct 28 19:59
schestowitzTekk_: it's not his blogOct 28 20:00
schestowitzThat's another leftyOct 28 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @Jason: GDGT Newsletter is out! "Why HP bought Palm" #brilliant: http://wp.me/pk3g7-8sPOct 28 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] @lnxwalt140 Zero carbon emissions isn't realistic, but home solar/wind power generation and heavy insulation can reduce it considerably.Oct 28 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] creepy, my notice about Unicode’s Love Hotel glyph U+1F3E9 is the sixth entry in Google … http://identi.ca/notice/56115300Oct 28 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] @thistleweb hrm, that would be an easy roundOct 28 20:00
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schestowitzThis one maybe even predates the troll with the same nameOct 28 20:00
schestowitz_Goblin: how long before air time? I look forward to itOct 28 20:00
Tekk_schestowitz: ah, okay. either way does that not look like de icaza's work?Oct 28 20:00
schestowitzNo planning intended, buy you'll do the introductionOct 28 20:01
_Goblinschestowitz: weve got Mr Tumble on so hopefully he'll be going to sleep soonOct 28 20:01
schestowitzYou take the leadOct 28 20:01
Tekk_schestowitz: will you have a live stream for it?Oct 28 20:01
_Goblinnp..Oct 28 20:01
_GoblinTekk_: I wouldn't think so for the first few at leastOct 28 20:01
schestowitzStarting with intro, then we each explain how the show will work, then on to some newsOct 28 20:01
Tekk_okayOct 28 20:01
schestowitzI can take the lead on news cause I follow that closelyOct 28 20:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @bruce89 never underestimate the yoof of 2day, spell "Oh My God" - "uhm....U ....uhm.......emm"Oct 28 20:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @laurelrusswurm: Malta government starts consultation to increase use of open source - http://bit.ly/92Xfvj lots of interesting links...Oct 28 20:02
_Goblinschestowitz: yep agreed.Oct 28 20:02
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schestowitzI can provide background to youOct 28 20:02
schestowitz[and audience]Oct 28 20:02
schestowitzThen discussionOct 28 20:02
schestowitzIt's already lined up for me in Links [date]Oct 28 20:02
_Goblinschestowitz: I'd say if we look to start recording around 830ish....Oct 28 20:03
_Goblinschestowitz: and then the difficult first show will be out the way.Oct 28 20:03
cubezzz_Goblin, did you also notice that the horse was painted like a Zebra? :)Oct 28 20:03
_Goblincubezzz: yeah....that was sort of a flashforward moment (if you saw the series) where there was a kangerooo in the seriesOct 28 20:04
cubezzzseries?Oct 28 20:04
_Goblinyeah it was a tv showOct 28 20:04
_Goblinwhole world blacks out at the same time...Oct 28 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Damned Tornado tour to Glasgow has been postponed to next yearOct 28 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @glynmoody: Moscow Teacher 'Fired' Over Open Software Plea - http://bit.ly/agU8jJ more bullying in Russian education #russia #opensourceOct 28 20:05
_Goblinand then they have flashbacks of future events.Oct 28 20:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Teacher 'Fired' Over Software Plea | News | The Moscow Times .::. Size~: 83.91 KBOct 28 20:05
cubezzzum, ok not sure what you're referring to now :)Oct 28 20:05
cubezzzI was referring to the Chaplin segmentOct 28 20:05
_Goblincubezzz: Ah...Im not making myself clear...the Zebra, almost looks like a red herring just like in Flashforward where when the world starts seeing the future, for no reason a kangeroo appears......Oct 28 20:06
cubezzzoh...Oct 28 20:06
_Goblinthe Zebra looks really out of place.....Oct 28 20:07
cubezzzI seeOct 28 20:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @lnxwalt140 generally applicable, but I suppose the issue is initial costOct 28 20:07
cubezzzlet me see if I can find that other picture I was mentioningOct 28 20:07
_GoblinI love that type of thing....Oct 28 20:08
cubezzzthere was a movie with Bruce Willis as a time traveller too I thinkOct 28 20:08
_Goblintwelve monkiesOct 28 20:08
cubezzzright, that's the oneOct 28 20:08
_GoblinIf you enjoy reading....The Time Travellers Wife....great stuff....the movie was awful.Oct 28 20:09
_Goblinand a spanish movie called "Time Crimes"....absolutely fantastic (with subtitles).....very funny too in a sort of sinister wayOct 28 20:09
cubezzzfound itOct 28 20:09
cubezzzok, I'll show you the pic, you tell me what's odd about itOct 28 20:10
_GoblinokOct 28 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] @thistleweb SighOct 28 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @mairin might be a good idea to clarify somehow - other uses of free/freedom on http://fedoraproject.org/ indicate other meaning of 'free'Oct 28 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The new barbarism: Keeping science out of politics - http://bit.ly/cJwVjQ I do worry about the US... #science #politicsOct 28 20:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Fedora Project .::. Size~: 20.79 KBOct 28 20:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The new barbarism: Keeping science out of politics - Global warming - Salon.com .::. Size~: 128.96 KBOct 28 20:10
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/coppermine/albums/old-toronto/cne-midway-1904.jpgOct 28 20:11
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cubezzzwrong picture, sorry :)Oct 28 20:13
_Goblincubezzz: nope...can't see anything wrong with it...Oct 28 20:13
_GoblinlolOct 28 20:13
cubezzzjust realizedOct 28 20:13
_Goblindoh!Oct 28 20:13
_GoblinI would have been looking at that all night!Oct 28 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] There's a lot of small differences moving to !Fedora - like CTRL+ALT+F1 doesn't take me to a terminal - now I have to search for what doesOct 28 20:15
schestowitz_Goblin: I do one more post, then we recordOct 28 20:15
_Goblinschestowitz: yeah no problem...daniels almost off to sleep.....Oct 28 20:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Source on Rejecting Mono, Which Earns a Room at #FOSDEM 2011 http://ur1.ca/27f2v #mono #swpats #novell !gnu !linuxOct 28 20:17
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cubezzzwell one thing, I dont know what the sign is supposed to sayOct 28 20:18
cubezzzSTEORRAOct 28 20:18
_Goblin"West Germanic *sterro, from Proto-Germanic *stirnaz, from Proto-Indo-European *h₂stḗr."Oct 28 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Oh I see, terminals are just numbered differently in !Fedora - Alright that's not such a big deal thenOct 28 20:20
_GoblinRight off to have a smoke before I record with Roy!Oct 28 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Wi-Fi won't kill the office LAN ... yet (Network World): http://bit.ly/9AYNsCOct 28 20:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] rd @nicubunu: New Fedora website is live: http://fedoraproject.org/Oct 28 20:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] @mairin thanks a lot for the kind anwser. Italian website says "Fedora è 100% libera". Last word is 100% free as in freedom, not gratis.Oct 28 20:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @Valleywag: Microsoft Hates Bill Gates' Rich People Tax http://gawker.com/5675865/Oct 28 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] VP8 Codec SDK "Aylesbury" Release - http://bit.ly/dpJwdx "we plan to use duck-related names for each major libvpx release" #webm #videoOct 28 20:27
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: VP8 Codec SDK  "Aylesbury" Release - The WebM Open Media Project Blog .::. Size~: 23.57 KBOct 28 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @TheOnion California Proposition 11: Makes it illegal to text while someone is saying something really important to you #OnionElectionOct 28 20:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Verizon System Architect uses Fedora to field test a 10Gb FiOS connection: http://ur1.ca/27d2eOct 28 20:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - Check this this video out!!!! Blistering fast Internet speeds thanks to Verizon FiOS   .::. Size~: 125.82 KBOct 28 20:33
schestowitz_Goblin: I'm ready.Oct 28 20:34
_GoblinOk...give me a few mins, I'll call you...Oct 28 20:34
schestowitzI reckon people will forgive low recording quality in 1st showOct 28 20:34
_GoblinI don't think it will be that bad....Oct 28 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Michel Barnier Still Has an Agenda Hostile Towards European Software Developers http://ur1.ca/27f8h #swpats #euOct 28 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Anyone else wanna come to DC for the Rally to restore sanity/keep fear alive tomorrow morning? Down to crash in car, maybe floor or couch?Oct 28 20:35
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schestowitzOK, that's my last postOct 28 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Recording Ep. 1 of !TechBytes in a moment. Got to remember to mute things...Oct 28 20:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] tesing out emacs identica mode, I'm 1 step closer to the possibility of running emacs on a kernel and nothing more XDOct 28 20:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Alright time to for me to go to the campus, and meet with my adviser about my masters project!Oct 28 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @Frauenfelder: Cell-phone using time traveler spotted in 1928 Charlie Chaplin movie http://post.ly/17vFAOct 28 20:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Tom's Hardware benchmark Maverick - conclusion: http://is.gd/gp22q #ubuntuOct 28 20:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Conclusion : Ubuntu 10.10: Maverick Meerkat Benchmarked And Reviewed .::. Size~: 111.86 KBOct 28 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] help the Graner Family Fire Fund - Amber and Pete are close to my heart and others, contribute! http://is.gd/gp2cy #ubuntuOct 28 20:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @smaffulli: Oracle, !Android and the copy claims: SCO all over again? http://bit.ly/aFkGFgOct 28 20:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Graner Fire Fund - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 26.58 KBOct 28 20:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @jonobacon It has to be said the speed improvments are starting to plateau. I suppose that's inevitable reallyOct 28 20:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @2600: Are you all ready for DIGITAL editions of 2600? Just let us know...Oct 28 20:57
schestowitz_Goblin: I sound quieter on the audio than I expectedOct 28 20:58
schestowitzI'm sending you the file just to probe... ensure it's OKOct 28 20:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @jonobacon: Tom's Hardware benchmark Maverick - conclusion: http://is.gd/gp22q #ubuntuOct 28 20:58
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schestowitzI'd  need to make it louder on my side; apart from that, we're all setOct 28 20:58
schestowitz[21:00:40] Tim Openbytes: when you call do you want to just start?Oct 28 21:01
schestowitz[21:00:48] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: YesOct 28 21:01
schestowitz[21:00:50] Dr. Roy Schestowitz: see IRCOct 28 21:01
_Goblinschestowitz: you were louder hereOct 28 21:01
schestowitz[21:00:53] Tim Openbytes: ok...Oct 28 21:01
schestowitz_Goblin: you sound very clearOct 28 21:01
schestowitzSounds like I'm the guest :-)Oct 28 21:01
_GoblinI should hope so, the mic cost enough!!! ;)Oct 28 21:01
schestowitzThat's goodOct 28 21:01
_Goblinlol...Oct 28 21:01
schestowitzIt would work greatOct 28 21:01
schestowitzYou're far better and ought to take the leadOct 28 21:01
_Goblinlol...Oct 28 21:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2010-10-28: Tantric TSA: The art of foreplay "I wondered what government official in what dark alley dr... http://bit.ly/cuF79fOct 28 21:02
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_Goblinyou've got the material! great collaboratioN!Oct 28 21:02
schestowitzThis one takes the longest to do, then it'll be on a rollOct 28 21:02
_Goblinwhen you call, I will be quite for a few seconds and then startOct 28 21:02
_GoblinquietOct 28 21:02
_Goblinah...Im just listening to the partial ogg...Oct 28 21:04
schestowitzokOct 28 21:04
schestowitzI do a quick postOct 28 21:04
_GoblinnpOct 28 21:04
_Goblinit sounds fine...its good qualityOct 28 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] "If there were no copyright, it would be impossible for creative people to make a living" #britishlibraryfail - http://ur1.ca/27fijOct 28 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @silner NEVER! it's not fast enough until it does what you want before you've even thought about doing itOct 28 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] It pisses me off that Microsoft use the BBC and the British Library as attack vectors on the freedom of UK citizens.Oct 28 21:05
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schestowitzYou're the one with the radio voiceOct 28 21:05
schestowitzI'll just try to add some topicsOct 28 21:05
schestowitzIt'll work well, I sureOct 28 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @jonobacon: help the Graner Family Fire Fund - Amber and Pete are close to my heart and others, contribute! http://is.gd/gp2cyOct 28 21:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @robmyers "If there were no copyright, it would be impossible for creative people to make a living" #britishlibraryfail - http://ur1. ...Oct 28 21:07
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schestowitz*I'mOct 28 21:07
_Goblinjust popping downstairs to get my coffee!Oct 28 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Moscow Teacher 'Fired' Over Open Software Plea - http://bit.ly/agU8jJ more bullying in Russian education #russia #opensourceOct 28 21:08
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schestowitzJust finishing a quick postOct 28 21:09
_GoblinnpOct 28 21:09
_GoblinI'll cancell the d/l, Ive heard enough...Im happy with the quality,Oct 28 21:09
schestowitzdarnOct 28 21:10
schestowitzsecond ago I spilled mineOct 28 21:10
schestowitzAnd it's all wood hereOct 28 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @glynmoody They may not be firing Canadian teachers but they aren't exactly embracing #OpenSource in schools here eitherOct 28 21:10
schestowitzok, cleaned upOct 28 21:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @laurelrusswurm: Moscow Teacher 'Fired' Over Open Software Plea - http://bit.ly/agU8jJ more bullying in Russian education #russia #FLOSSOct 28 21:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Eye on Patents: The #USPTO is Failing http://techrights.org/2010/10/28/uspto-is-failing/Oct 28 21:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @thistleweb That would be nice :)Oct 28 21:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @laurelrusswurm: "If there were no copyright, it would be impossible for creative people to make a living" http://ur1.ca/27fijOct 28 21:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Ubuntu Developer Summit: Dropping KDE Desktop http://goo.gl/4Wge !kubuntuOct 28 21:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Today's tutorial thx to @jzb. Get your music fix on #Linux with #Clamz: http://bit.ly/cdBKQqOct 28 21:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @smaffulli Oracle, !Android and the copy claims: SCO all over again? http://bit.ly/aFkGFgOct 28 21:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] First Draft of RDB to RDF Mapping Language (R2RML) Published http://ow.ly/19GCX2Oct 28 21:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Associating Style Sheets with XML documents 1.0 (Second Edition) Published http://ow.ly/19GCX3Oct 28 21:32
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dyfetWhat does he mean "dropping" KDE?Oct 28 21:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] !lo should totally release #200 when ipv4 runs out: http://ipv6.he.net/statistics/ :POct 28 21:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @dpic that'd be fun, good luck! :-)Oct 28 21:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] joining colbert's rally that is.Oct 28 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Joined #creativecommons network as a Premium member. I really appreciate the work they're doing & I'm expecting more! http://ur1.ca/27fvsOct 28 21:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Ad server changes on identi.ca http://status.net/2010/10/28/ad-server-changes-on-identi-caOct 28 22:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New Oh !Canada post: "Book Policy Review" !selfpub !billC32 #democracy #culture #publishing #cdnpoli http://ur1.ca/27fxkOct 28 22:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Oracle Claims Google Copied Java Code - Not So Fast, Though: http://bit.ly/dvjMqmOct 28 22:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] @fabsh Cookie-stealing attacks. It's a valid concern, definitely.Oct 28 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @evan Some users on identi.ca have noticed that we've changed our ad server on the site. http://ur1.ca/27fzeOct 28 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @evan I'd love to support !identica by showing ads on my end(s),but privacy vs. love & support is a tough dilemma . #adblockplusOct 28 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @evan https protects against that?Oct 28 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @evan I'd love to support !identica on my end(s) by showing ads, but privacy vs. love & support is a tough dilemma that I totally understandOct 28 22:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Yay! Make Art festival! - http://ospublish.constantvzw.org/news/configure-make-artOct 28 22:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Bed. #needsleepOct 28 22:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Where are the cuts? - http://wherearethecuts.org/Oct 28 22:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] "Enclosure has become a general metaphor for the upwards migration of wealth [...] to the privileged few" - http://ur1.ca/27g2yOct 28 22:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Calling everything enclosure can be mystificatory, though.Oct 28 22:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Planning to see the black 5s coming down from Fort WilliamOct 28 22:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @robmyers it would be lovely to have something like that in Canada... anyone?Oct 28 22:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] An epub of the Jolly Roger (free culture) comic book? Yes please! - http://www.hardabud.com/jollyroger/download.htmlOct 28 22:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Economic concepts cause more than enough confusion and harm in economics without applying them to art - http://ur1.ca/27g3gOct 28 22:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @evan COOKIE MONSTER!!! lol, couldn't resistOct 28 22:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @laurelrusswurm It would! If anyone can help with that, see here - http://blog.okfn.org/2010/10/26/where-are-the-cuts-in-your-country/Oct 28 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Very cool the page preview of Google search. Nice!Oct 28 22:22
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schestowitz_Goblin: hiOct 28 22:22
schestowitzOK, recordedOct 28 22:22
schestowitzWhat we'll do now is I'll send you the file]Oct 28 22:22
_GoblinCool!Oct 28 22:22
_GoblinIm off for a cig!Oct 28 22:22
schestowitzFor you to edit and merge the theme songOct 28 22:22
schestowitz_Goblin: OK, good stuff!Oct 28 22:22
_Goblinyep! np probsOct 28 22:22
schestowitzI'll wirte some posts meanwhileOct 28 22:23
hazzy"Eye on Patents: The USPTO is Failing"Oct 28 22:23
hazzyGood stuffOct 28 22:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @webmink: Oracle Claims Google Copied Java Code - Not So Fast, Though: http://bit.ly/dvjMqmOct 28 22:23
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schestowitz_Goblin: 27mbOct 28 22:24
schestowitzsendingOct 28 22:24
schestowitzhazzy: thanks!Oct 28 22:24
schestowitzI wrote that while we recordedOct 28 22:24
schestowitzIt was mechanical, so I posted after we had started the first episodeOct 28 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Being a volunteer with !Wikipedia's OTRS team, I understand how ticket systems work. Rule #0, they wouldn't care if you didn't respond back.Oct 28 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Ad server changes on !identica - identica switches from #adbard to google #adsense http://is.gd/gpaMSOct 28 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Vineyard Gets A Testing PPA http://bit.ly/dnkh0wOct 28 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] I have a sudden craving for pear pie.Oct 28 22:25
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hazzyThoughOct 28 22:25
hazzyI didn't get how the USPTO is failingOct 28 22:25
hazzyIs it because the amount of litigation has increased?Oct 28 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Working on my !NaNoWriMo #outline and !Listening to @AllisonCrowe my favorite !cc Diva perform "Skeletons & Spirits"...an edgy tune for fallOct 28 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] Lots of hook changes between D6 and D7. Thinking of a D7 (and J1.6) #CiviCRM version rather than one that works with both #civicrm #drupalOct 28 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] If I do manage a book trailer for !inconstantmoon @AllisonCrowe's "Skeletons & Spirits" would make an awesome score www.allisoncrowe.com/Oct 28 22:27
schestowitz_Goblin: we ought to try to get this out tonight before it becomes old newsOct 28 22:28
schestowitzLike stuff occurring an hour or a few hours agoOct 28 22:28
schestowitzSo just sticking in the theme at start and end might sufficeOct 28 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] With cream.Oct 28 22:28
schestowitzhazzy: yesOct 28 22:28
schestowitzBut not just thatOct 28 22:28
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schestowitz"Oct 28 22:29
schestowitz USPTO (self explanatory)Oct 28 22:29
schestowitz• Here comes the patentpocolypseOct 28 22:29
schestowitz"Oct 28 22:29
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schestowitzIf too many companies suffer in this system, they'll rise upOct 28 22:29
schestowitzThe more get sued, the less happy they will beOct 28 22:30
hazzyOh, I get itOct 28 22:30
schestowitzAnd only lawyers will be happyOct 28 22:30
schestowitzNot companiesOct 28 22:30
hazzyYes, yesOct 28 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richardsmedley/@richardsmedley] Half-term, thy name is bedlam - 13 hours of running around today as #parentaltaxi. Want me for work? Wait until Monday :)Oct 28 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Wonder how much it would cost to get a batch of sticks of rock that say "win" all the way though?Oct 28 22:30
schestowitzThey just pay lawyers' bill to help them monopoliseOct 28 22:30
schestowitzNot to get suedOct 28 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @robmyers @laurelrusswurm It would! If anyone can help with that, see here - http://blog.okfn.org/2010/10/26/where-are-the-cuts-in-yo ...Oct 28 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] Can anyone program in pyGTK and could help me make a browser with weird new stuff for !bibud ? !linux !fsOct 28 22:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Open Knowledge Foundation Blog  » Blog Archive   » Where are the cuts in your country? .::. Size~: 32.02 KBOct 28 22:32
_Goblinschestowitz: Im back...Oct 28 22:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Brian Behlendorf and Apache OfBiz star Ean Schuessler win Open Source for America awards: http://icio.us/4m0a3eOct 28 22:33
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_Goblinschestowitz: Tonight will be difficult as Im up very early tomorrow...however....Oct 28 22:33
_Goblinschestowitz: I have the Tom Smith track cut already so if you are happy to do the pasting instead I can upload it to you...Oct 28 22:34
_Goblinschestowitz: if you want it done tonight...Oct 28 22:34
schestowitzHiOct 28 22:35
schestowitzBack...Oct 28 22:35
schestowitzHere's what we need to do fastOct 28 22:35
schestowitzProcess the audioOct 28 22:36
schestowitzAs you see fitOct 28 22:36
schestowitzPost in OpenBytesOct 28 22:36
schestowitzProduce MP3 versionOct 28 22:36
schestowitzPost that tooOct 28 22:36
Ender2070did you guys get a show done?Oct 28 22:36
schestowitzI'll download both from OpenBytes and post in TechrightsOct 28 22:36
schestowitzEnder2070: yesOct 28 22:36
Ender2070very nice :DOct 28 22:36
Ender2070any guests?Oct 28 22:36
schestowitzI hope he can just stick the theme in quickly and post in OpenBytes, I'll do the restOct 28 22:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] In the computer labs...I haven't been in these labs in like almost a year...feeling nostalgia!Oct 28 22:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @schestowitz is that your baby photo?Oct 28 22:37
schestowitzEnder2070: next time we'll have you on if you agreeOct 28 22:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @mohanpram yes, my previous photo was silly. I didn't like it.Oct 28 22:38
Ender2070I was going to ask to be onOct 28 22:39
Ender2070:)Oct 28 22:39
schestowitzCool.Oct 28 22:39
schestowitzCan do a Fedora 14 episodeOct 28 22:40
schestowitzToday we covered Fedora's new site in the 1-hour showOct 28 22:40
schestowitzIt'll be a messy show perhaps cause it's the first oneOct 28 22:40
Ender2070I really like the new siteOct 28 22:40
_Goblinschestowitz: I'll try tonight.....Oct 28 22:41
schestowitzThanksOct 28 22:41
schestowitzJust needs the theme I guessOct 28 22:41
_Goblinschestowitz: the only issue is....Oct 28 22:42
schestowitzThen you post the ogg the wordpress, I download it from there too... we both publishOct 28 22:42
schestowitzJust in time for MSF reuslts..Oct 28 22:42
schestowitzJust in time for MSFT results..Oct 28 22:42
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_Goblinschestowitz: Ive introduced myself, yet you didn't really...Oct 28 22:42
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schestowitzIntentionallyOct 28 22:43
_Goblinschestowitz: why is there three files coming down?Oct 28 22:43
schestowitzThe trolls get ammo when we get off the topicsOct 28 22:43
schestowitz_Goblin: I think it sends that previous one tooOct 28 22:44
schestowitzTHe one with the late hour in it is itOct 28 22:44
schestowitz27mbOct 28 22:44
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schestowitzYou'll have more to play withOct 28 22:44
schestowitz:-)Oct 28 22:44
schestowitzLike the test callOct 28 22:44
MinceRgnOct 28 22:44
_Goblinso 27.77mb is the full oggOct 28 22:44
_GoblinMinceR: gnOct 28 22:44
MinceRthxOct 28 22:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @schestowitz nice! :DOct 28 22:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] BSG Caprica canceled http://ur1.ca/27gadOct 28 22:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot Entertainment Story | BSG Prequel Series Caprica Canceled .::. Size~: 171.8 KBOct 28 22:50
schestowitz_Goblin: yes, 27mbOct 28 22:51
schestowitzYou could compress it down if you wanted, but no needOct 28 22:51
schestowitzI think it's not too large for audacity to deal with easilyOct 28 22:51
_Goblinthats fine...Oct 28 22:51
_GoblinI think I can host with wordpress tooOct 28 22:51
_Goblinthink Ive got a gig to play withOct 28 22:51
schestowitzWhat we could also do cause it's time-criticial is post a raw thing and then process later and replace the older fileOct 28 22:51
schestowitzJust so that it's out there earlyOct 28 22:52
_Goblinall Im going to do then is paste tom smith at the beginning and at the end....Oct 28 22:52
schestowitz_Goblin: we could give two URLs for downloadOct 28 22:52
_Goblinand then up in OggOct 28 22:52
schestowitzIn case one site is down is slowOct 28 22:52
schestowitzLike mirror :-)Oct 28 22:52
_Goblinyep.Oct 28 22:52
schestowitz_Goblin: yupOct 28 22:52
schestowitzAnd at end too, I guess?Oct 28 22:53
_Goblinyep, that will be the full ver so it will add around 8mb to the file sizeOct 28 22:53
_Goblinin totalOct 28 22:53
schestowitzThe text around it can be changed tomorrow when you have time... I just think we want to throw something raw out there :-)Oct 28 22:53
Tekk_we just decided that we have a furist catOct 28 22:53
Tekk_he has issues with any cat that isn't black and white..Oct 28 22:53
_Goblinyep....here come the files....few seconds now...Oct 28 22:54
_GoblinI have a page on my site ready for the Oggcast....I'll make a post on it tomorrow in the interests of time and merely throw it up on my page today.Oct 28 22:55
_Goblinit will be here when its up'dOct 28 22:55
_Goblinhttp://openbytes.wordpress.com/techbytes-audiocast/Oct 28 22:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] 10 Ways in which social media writing is different from traditional web writing (WebContent Daily): http://bit.ly/ah4sM8Oct 28 22:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Five Things You Need to Know about Microsoft’s PowerPivot (CIO): http://bit.ly/aneDJaOct 28 22:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] VMware’s Private Cloud Computing Vision (CIO): http://bit.ly/90cN4AOct 28 22:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] @speeddefrost meowOct 28 23:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] FreeBSD is pressing on with ZFS despite end of OpenSolaris. Hopefully they'll upstream to Illumos so everyone wins: http://icio.us/bhvigfOct 28 23:03
_GoblinRight.....Oct 28 23:09
_Goblinnearly doneOct 28 23:09
_Goblintrack at the end = okOct 28 23:09
schestowitzHeyOct 28 23:09
schestowitz:-)Oct 28 23:09
schestowitzThanksOct 28 23:09
_Goblinat the beginning the fade out will be a little long....Oct 28 23:09
_Goblinwhen it fades from Tom to us....Oct 28 23:10
_Goblinbut the whole intro is only 30 seconds or so.Oct 28 23:10
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_Goblinif I had more time I would have made it more cohesive....but its certainly not bad.Oct 28 23:10
schestowitzThere's other stuff we could do in the futureOct 28 23:11
schestowitzLike balancing volumes at the sideOct 28 23:11
schestowitzBased on the wave forms shown on the screen it's fast to doOct 28 23:11
schestowitzJust seeing where each person speaks based on peak heights, then nromalisingOct 28 23:11
schestowitzMaybe automatically evenOct 28 23:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] RT @webmink FreeBSD is pressing on with ZFS despite end of OpenSolaris. Hopefully they'll upstream to Illumos so everyone wins: http://i ...Oct 28 23:12
schestowitzI have no experience with that type of stuffOct 28 23:12
schestowitzI think for a first show _all in one go_ without editing it'll be acceptableOct 28 23:12
_Goblinschestowitz: and Ive just heard how when I closed the show I included a lot of "er's..." That will be sorted next time.Oct 28 23:15
_GoblinI blame skype and a message that popped up.Oct 28 23:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @webmink FreeBSD is pressing on with ZFS despite end of OpenSolaris. Hopefully they'll upstream to Illumos so everyone wins icio.us/bhvigfOct 28 23:17
schestowitz_Goblin: for Ogg:Oct 28 23:17
schestowitz<audio src="" controls="controls">Oct 28 23:17
schestowitzYour browser does not support the audio element.Oct 28 23:17
schestowitz</audio>Oct 28 23:17
schestowitzPut the filename in src=""Oct 28 23:17
Ender2070im thinking the feedback will help after your first show in what to modifyOct 28 23:17
schestowitzIt'll put that in a nice built-in media player in browsers like Firefox and ChromeOct 28 23:17
schestowitzNo need for Flash and it can stream tooOct 28 23:17
Ender2070you can probably edit out any ers, coughs, etcOct 28 23:18
_GoblinIts ok...Im just going to host it as a file...Oct 28 23:18
schestowitzEnder2070: the trolls will give us feedbackOct 28 23:18
schestowitzSometimes to joke aboutOct 28 23:18
_Goblintheres not many...Im over criticalOct 28 23:18
schestowitz_Goblin: for visitors without MSIE put that with <audio> syntax too, trust meOct 28 23:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @edythemighty: Russian doc: any imposed diet is a stress for your body & stress is very unhealthy. You should eat anything you wantOct 28 23:18
Ender2070the trolls will give publicityOct 28 23:18
schestowitzit's then one click to stream in their browserOct 28 23:18
_Goblinyeah...ive done it before...Oct 28 23:20
schestowitz_Goblin: THIS IS OUR test episode. We did it all in one go (over an hour) without any notes or scripts and it is not edited. We hope that it'll be acceptable and in our next episode (probably in November) we'll use experience from this first run and also refine by doing some planning, then editing. Please treat it as a beta episode if it helps and we thank for you listening.Oct 28 23:20
_Goblinjust throwing in a little conversion and tried (with little time) to clean up some popping.Oct 28 23:20
schestowitz^^post draftOct 28 23:20
_GoblinI'll be upping in about 20 minsOct 28 23:21
schestowitzThanks so muchOct 28 23:21
schestowitzI realise you have to do an early tomorrowOct 28 23:21
schestowitzI apologise in advance to you...Oct 28 23:21
schestowitzAnd to those who listen to a raw(er) episodeOct 28 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @dandart the #xmpp bot can keep the context of a conversation if the related commands are used...Oct 28 23:22
schestowitzWe'll make the official  "launch" next month (days from now) and call this 'pilot' or somethingOct 28 23:22
schestowitzWe need an episode title, we don't do numbersOct 28 23:23
Ender2070im excited :)Oct 28 23:23
cubezzz"Episode Zero"? :)Oct 28 23:24
Ender2070thats a numberOct 28 23:24
Ender2070FOSS on the Edge of ForeverOct 28 23:25
schestowitzcubezzz: _Goblin says no numbersOct 28 23:27
schestowitz_Goblin: I'll think of a title... descriptiveOct 28 23:28
_Goblinyep...npOct 28 23:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Call for Review: CSS Color Module Level 3 Proposed Recommendation http://ow.ly/19GJ5qOct 28 23:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @Valleywag: Vicious Anti-Rand Paul Ad Only Suitable for Adult Eyes http://gawker.com/5676011/Oct 28 23:30
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schestowitzI'll clarify it's a think to be apologised for... cause we didn't put any time into preparationOct 28 23:31
Ender2070if you have bacon in the title it's an instant winOct 28 23:32
_Goblinschestowitz: How about.....Oct 28 23:33
_Goblinschestowitz: "Trial....and many errors"Oct 28 23:33
Ender2070Trials and FOSSulationsOct 28 23:33
schestowitzI put something to make it easy to findOct 28 23:34
schestowitz"TechBytes Pilot: Microsoft's Android Tax, Unity and Vala, Fedora SITE Redesign, LimeWire Kaput"Oct 28 23:34
schestowitzOopsOct 28 23:34
schestowitz"Site"Oct 28 23:34
_Goblinok....60 secs until encoding doneOct 28 23:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @claudiom: Really, why do people even bother with this trash? http://ur1.ca/27glm #adobeflashsucks #adobeflashisshitOct 28 23:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: New Adobe Flash Bug Being Exploited  | threatpost .::. Size~: 55.03 KBOct 28 23:35
_Goblinok....Oct 28 23:36
_Goblindone...Oct 28 23:36
_Goblin38.8mb total sizeOct 28 23:36
_Goblinis that ok?Oct 28 23:36
Ender2070thats pretty good for an hourOct 28 23:37
_Goblincomplete with a few rough fade in and outs with the music!!!!Oct 28 23:37
schestowitz_Goblin: igreatOct 28 23:38
schestowitz*greatOct 28 23:38
hazzyiGreat, sounds like AppleOct 28 23:38
_Goblinits being upp'd now.Oct 28 23:38
Ender2070LOLOct 28 23:39
_GoblinI'd say it will take around 15mins to be published....Oct 28 23:40
_Goblinslowwwwwww uploadOct 28 23:40
_Goblin22% now :(Oct 28 23:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] We've raised $3k of @wikiHow's $4k challenge in just 24 hours - donate now & have your gift doubled! http://bit.ly/dvV14rOct 28 23:42
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schestowitz_Goblin: next time I'll write an outline for usOct 28 23:46
schestowitztaking burden offOct 28 23:46
_Goblingood ideaOct 28 23:48
schestowitzTo reuce the "hmmmms"Oct 28 23:49
schestowitz*reduce evenOct 28 23:49
_GoblinRight.....Wordpress has just reported "File type does not meet security guidelines. Try another." - damn....do you want me to up it to you now to save time?Oct 28 23:49
_Goblinor shall I create an account elsewhere and host it there?Oct 28 23:50
_Goblinup to you...Oct 28 23:50
_GoblinI can send it to you via skype now if you wish...Oct 28 23:51
schestowitzsend it via skypOct 28 23:51
schestowitzWhat was tge extension you choseOct 28 23:51
schestowitzPrevious version of WordPress did not like .ogvOct 28 23:52
schestowitzIt accepted oggOct 28 23:52
schestowitzMine accepts both nowOct 28 23:52
_GoblinoggOct 28 23:52
schestowitz3.0.1Oct 28 23:52
_Goblinthats a better speed...Oct 28 23:53
_Goblin7mins to completionOct 28 23:53
schestowitzI'll make an mp3 later, as wellOct 28 23:58
schestowitzI'll set up a script that lets me do thisOct 28 23:59
_Goblinshould have exported it as mp3 too...my fault.Oct 28 23:59
schestowitzWith one click, then upload the thingOct 28 23:59
schestowitz_Goblin: no needOct 28 23:59
schestowitzI can do it hereOct 28 23:59

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