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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @thistleweb [Internet] Troll jailed !lo !outlawstory http://bbc.in/aOwWArOct 30 00:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - Jade Goody website 'troll' from Manchester jailed  .::. Size~: 50.29 KBOct 30 00:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @paulsherald Tues. column: Law making 2 min. silence on Remembrance Day mandatory contradicts the very freedom 4 which our troops fought.Oct 30 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Debugging non-ASCII chars from microblog-bot library, ignorre. décollageOct 30 00:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] If you have !Intel !VT-d enabled in your bios and try to install !F13 !Fedora it fails... why? and is it a bug.?Oct 30 00:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] décollageOct 30 00:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Sorted. It's the LANG environment variable. Which is annoying but fixable.Oct 30 00:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @johnsu01 FSF Free Software Supporter for Oct will be sent out shortly, subscribe to receive it at http://www.fsf.org/fssOct 30 00:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @sjsf Suspicious packages found in UAE & England bound for the United States "apparently contain explosive material. CNN: http://bit. ...Oct 30 00:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @sjsf The suspicious packages bound for the US originated in #Yemen. CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/10/29/security.concern #terrorpl ...Oct 30 00:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @sjsf CNN - Both packages were bound for the US, specifically two places of Jewish worship in Chicago. http://bit.ly/arodan #terrorpl ...Oct 30 00:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @schestowitz RT @johnsu01 FSF Free Software Supporter for Oct will be sent out shortly, subscribe to receive it at http://www.fsf.org/fssOct 30 00:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lnxwalt140 could be an attempt to justify reducing our liberties. CNN et al. I am always taking with a barrel of salt. c/f IraqOct 30 00:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] @schestowitz That's probably a good idea. Maybe an excuse to justify the naked x-ray machinesOct 30 00:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Oracle copying SCO playbook for Google fight http://ur1.ca/27sysOct 30 00:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @evan: RT @jimmy_wales This is the most awesome image in a Wikipedia article, ever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_pageOct 30 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bruce89 BBC Scotland has only just noticed that CT Scanners exist > CT is jargon... too technical for MSBBC?Oct 30 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow..... Major late night podcast editing session..... XxOct 30 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNOME Project Receives $15,000 for Accessibility Work http://lwn.net/Articles/412474/ \0/Oct 30 00:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lnxwalt140 bombs and stuff get passed a lot of the time, unreported, just like arrests of people who threaten to kill ObamaOct 30 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Dear MoveOn.org, if you send me one more message about volunteering, I'm gone. 4th one in 2 days, and it's not midnight yet.Oct 30 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @johnsu01 time to move on? IIRC, @mattl got the same from Open Rights Group (ORG)Oct 30 00:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @stevenrosenberg gthumb almost replaced fspot (mono) in !UbuntuOct 30 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes Hey Tim, let's start FTP servers at home. Gadmin tools is a very good software to help set FTP servers. And keep files rollingOct 30 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Winning Internet browser share is a very, very important goal for us." -Bill GatesOct 30 00:38
_Goblinschestowitz: It is great....Tom Smith is a very talented guy......jolly nice chap too!Oct 30 00:39
_GoblinRight Im bushed.....Oct 30 00:39
_Goblintime for bed,,,,Oct 30 00:39
_Goblinbe back in morning...Oct 30 00:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @agentsmith Its a good Idea...maybe you could come into the IRC channel on saturday when Im up?Oct 30 00:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Stallmania, la comédie musicale participative de Framasoft - http://bit.ly/cXcss1 love that poster #stallman #rms #musicalOct 30 00:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Right. I think thats me done for the night. Thanks to everyone who has given feedback and help, its both kind and appreciated! Good night!Oct 30 00:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @schestowitz lol when did he say that?Oct 30 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mairin [...] issue's the patents involved in hinting fonts. http://ur1.ca/27ql8 #swpats #microsoft #apple #font #monopoly /cc @timblOct 30 00:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Boing Boing Redesign Uncovers Web Font Ignorance | Phinney on Fonts .::. Size~: 48.52 KBOct 30 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Tim Berners-Lee: “Software Patents Are a Terrible Thing” http://ur1.ca/27t40 help end #swpats in #w3c //cc @mairin @timblOct 30 00:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Tim Berners-Lee: “Software Patents Are a Terrible Thing” | Techrights .::. Size~: 107.91 KBOct 30 00:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @stevenrosenberg !tag gets bound to groups, #tag is detached from groupsOct 30 00:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Found where twitter and tweet came from: 1961 scifi novel by Poul Anderson, 1st para, chapter 9, After Doomsday. 'Tweeter-tweet' no less. ;)Oct 30 00:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @joabj re "The future of Microsoft Windows Azure" > Mr. Azure (Ozzie) leftOct 30 00:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @joabj I now see the article is from Peter Bright. All that he and Evil ever do at Ars is repeat Microsoft PROct 30 00:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes What channel ? Tech Rights ?Oct 30 00:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith @openbytes hangs out in #techrightsOct 30 00:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @schestowitz Tim Berners-Lee: “Software Patents Are a Terrible Thing” http://ur1.ca/27t40 help end #swpats in #w3c //cc @mairin @timblOct 30 01:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sony Ericsson: !Android 2.1 will Hitting X10 on Sunday http://ur1.ca/27t8g via @rsanduOct 30 01:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @speeddefrost DWM is kinda... Stripped ??? Found it minimalist. Too much, btw.Oct 30 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "This anti-trust thing will blow over. We haven't changed our business practices at all." -Bill Gates, 1995Oct 30 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "This is not a case of some accidental, unknowing infringement. [...] overwhelming number of patents being infringed"-Microsoft VP on !LinuxOct 30 01:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mr. @horaciog is not a bad man. He is just doing his job, which is extorting companies like @BillGates assigned him do. #swpats !linuxOct 30 01:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “If people had understood how patents would be granted.. the industry would be at a complete standstill today." --Bill Gates, hypocriteOct 30 01:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Bill [Gates] skipped the small talk...'our patents read all over OpenOffice.'" -Sun CEO http://ur1.ca/oy9i #swpatsOct 30 01:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxkernel/@linuxkernel] Linux kernel 2.6.36-git14 has been released - http://is.gd/eq2yj #linux #kernelOct 30 01:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: Tim Berners-Lee: “Software Patents Are a Terrible Thing” http://ur1.ca/27t40 help end #swpats in #w3c //cc @mairin @timblOct 30 01:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Guess his kind of job makes him unpopular. Just 68 followers... Tsc Tsc TscOct 30 01:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] UDS-N: An Arm Netbook http://ur1.ca/27tcv "It is exciting to see an ARM based computing device running Ubuntu."Oct 30 01:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] litl at the Boston Summit http://ur1.ca/27n1w Reports of Netbook’s Death Greatly Exaggerated, Experts Say http://ur1.ca/27td0Oct 30 01:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: UDS-N: An Arm Netbook « Free Trader Beowulf .::. Size~: 50.07 KBOct 30 01:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: litl at the Boston Summit |  lucasr.at.mundo .::. Size~: 11.68 KBOct 30 01:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Intel Newsroom: Free Press:  Reports of Netbook’s Death Greatly Exaggerated, Experts Say .::. Size~: 91.34 KBOct 30 01:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Damn...... The Sintel song is so fucking SAD....... :,(Oct 30 01:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith maybe the mobsters he unleashes at Taiwanese manufacturers ;-)Oct 30 01:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith let's not joke about @horaciog as a talented man like him would know that it's not to late to become a useful member of societyOct 30 01:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh I listened to it like 500 times. My sister is addicted to it too. ;-)Oct 30 01:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz It's a good song!Oct 30 01:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] How to make WebM videos and ensure that YouTube shows them as WebM: http://ur1.ca/27tej !playogg !fsfOct 30 01:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to upload a video to YouTube and ensure it is viewable in WebM — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 28.61 KBOct 30 01:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @zotz @robmyers I also wonder about non-profits set up to fund Free and able to give tax advantages to donors.Oct 30 01:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @fsf How to make WebM videos and ensure that YouTube shows them as WebM: http://ur1.ca/27tej !gnu (thanks @dpic)Oct 30 01:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh it'd better be... it's like a quarter of the film's durationOct 30 01:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to upload a video to YouTube and ensure it is viewable in WebM — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 28.61 KBOct 30 01:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Toolmaking technique 55,000 years older than we thought http://ur1.ca/27tf0 Monkeys make tools tooOct 30 01:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz In the next life, perhaps. ;-)Oct 30 01:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Toolmaking technique 55,000 years older than we thought .::. Size~: 29.43 KBOct 30 01:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: UDS-N: An Arm Netbook http://ur1.ca/27tcv "It is exciting to see an ARM based computing device running Ubuntu."Oct 30 01:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @fsf: How to make WebM videos and ensure that YouTube shows them as WebM: http://ur1.ca/27tej !playogg !fsfOct 30 01:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith he is not close to retirement. He can quit like most of his SVP-level colleagues. /cc @horaciogOct 30 01:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: UDS-N: An Arm Netbook « Free Trader Beowulf .::. Size~: 49.4 KBOct 30 01:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to upload a video to YouTube and ensure it is viewable in WebM — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 28.61 KBOct 30 01:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] .@schestowitz finally monkeys came up with a tool to stop other monkeys making tools. #swpatOct 30 01:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz True, like Ozzie, Elop, Plamondon... Hope they regenerated and became useful citizens. No more flying chairs, I hopeOct 30 01:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@qu1j0t3 that's where monkeys are smarter than us. They don't make up #patents to be all bureaucratic about tool-making.Oct 30 01:45
schestowitz_logHehOct 30 01:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith Plamondon moved to the music arena, IIRC. He mailed me... other colleagues of Gates did too. Some know they harmed society.Oct 30 01:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Happy Halloween / Feliz Halloween http://ur1.ca/27tgnOct 30 01:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz In fact, he seemed really sorry of his evil doings in the past, as M$ evangelist.Oct 30 01:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] October issue of the Free Software Supporter has hit the pipes! !fsf !gnu !lpOct 30 01:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow...... Edit of the latest !LO is done. Can't believe I actually pulled through this edit. I'm dead now. Hope I can release on Sunday...Oct 30 01:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I need my bed now....Oct 30 01:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "I am trying to change the error of my ways. I trust that you will agree that even the most hardened sinner can be redeemed."--Plamondon, MSOct 30 01:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] URL for that last quote (Microsoft "evangelism" -- a euphemism for shilling -- chief) is his response to !techrights http://ur1.ca/27tikOct 30 01:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Manage to make encouraging progress by showing people who harm society the effect of their deeds. It leads them to regret, introspection.Oct 30 01:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith James Plamondon may be "sorry" for what he did at Microsoft, but the damage he caused is here to stay like BP's hole in seabed.Oct 30 01:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz @agentsmith James Plamondon may be "sorry" for what he did at Microsoft, but the damage he caused is here to stay like B ...Oct 30 01:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] “Experimenta! Trisca!” na @revistaespiritolivre de 10/10 http://fsfla.org/blogs/lxo/pub/trisca !trisquelOct 30 02:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody about that video, as much as I dislike Paul's policies, I don't think representing him using some fanatical supporters is fairOct 30 02:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] GigaOm also believes Microsoft is backing away from Silverlight: http://bit.ly/cYgVLKOct 30 02:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] maybe I shoulda kept that outtake of discovering the net was on during a take when I thought it was off, nevermindOct 30 02:07
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oiaohmMicrosoft is not giving up Silverlight yet.Oct 30 02:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody to elaborate, it's a cheap & easy smear tactic, usually used by corporate press to marginalise/radicalise 'unfit' candidatesOct 30 02:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody better headline: "insensitive man puts foot (not stomps) on peaceful progressive's head"; Paul not part of thisOct 30 02:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @fsf: How to make WebM videos and ensure that YouTube shows them as WebM: http://ur1.ca/27tejOct 30 02:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz I saw that video, ugly one. Bunch of men grabbed one woman and stomped over her head. Really UGLY.Oct 30 02:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @speeddefrost Ha, I don't like Gnome, but dwm is too stripped 4 me. No offense, but, reminds me of windowmaker, in a bad sense. ;-)Oct 30 02:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith yes, but it's being attributed to Paul, who did not participate in it. Guilt by association (or by supporters) smear.Oct 30 02:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @industrialrobot "just doing your job" doesn't exempt you from being a "bad man" but can make you oneOct 30 02:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It's possible to be careful enough in choosing a job whose impact in society (the business model) is not exploitative, e.g. deception, fearOct 30 02:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I've had about 12 jobs, none was harmful to peers. All code was free/libre. Unethical jobs (e.g. hedge funds) tend to pay most.Oct 30 02:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Our Western schooling seems to encourage the perception that people who make more money are *necessarily* contributing more to the worldOct 30 02:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @speeddefrost Au contraire, I'm old in this business. Just can't stand ugly desktops. Not fan of useless bells & whistles, though. ;-)Oct 30 02:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Many Western businesses are pseudo-producers in the sense that their role is moving objects that are refined in sweatshops abroad.Oct 30 02:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Knowledge workers" is a valuable example of a euphemism which tries to excuse paper-pushers for coercing peons beneath themOct 30 02:30
ThistleWebschestowitz: did you hear the latest ep of the full circle podcast by any chance?Oct 30 02:32
ThistleWeban interview by someone from the open learning centre, about FOSS in govtOct 30 02:32
schestowitzI only ever listened to two epsOct 30 02:32
schestowitzAlan Lord?Oct 30 02:33
ThistleWebhe was at a meeting / presentation type thing, where various govt IT typesOct 30 02:33
ThistleWebyeah could beOct 30 02:33
ThistleWebI think it was alan somebodyOct 30 02:33
ThistleWebsomething he said struck meOct 30 02:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] !watching Heat vs the Magic game. Going to head out for dinner w/a buddy soon, so rest of the game(s) sport center #NBAOct 30 02:33
ThistleWebit was all about FOSS, open standards, open data etcOct 30 02:34
schestowitzI just know Alan..Oct 30 02:34
schestowitzHe's not too shy to talk about MicrosoftOct 30 02:34
schestowitzEven rudelyOct 30 02:34
ThistleWebthen he said he had a coffee at lunchtime with someone, who gave him a business card at the end, from MicrosoftOct 30 02:34
ThistleWeba "open systems evangelist" I think the title saidOct 30 02:34
ThistleWebthis dude was at the FOSS presentation, from MSOct 30 02:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Readers' Choice Awards 2010 http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/readers-choice-awards-2010 !ubuntu won "best distro"Oct 30 02:35
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ThistleWebapparently the dude was perfectly pleasent and presentableOct 30 02:36
schestowitzThey poach criticsOct 30 02:36
schestowitzThey did recentlyOct 30 02:36
schestowitzHiring the oppositionOct 30 02:36
schestowitzWhich they also sueOct 30 02:36
schestowitzBig $$Oct 30 02:36
schestowitzHiring sometimes on contractual basisOct 30 02:37
ThistleWebit just struck me as odd that a MS rep would be anywhere near a FOSS presentation for any valid reason, other than to spy on the enemy and poison the eventOct 30 02:37
schestowitzJust to slip them a bribeOct 30 02:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @qu1j0t3 Oh wow, I knew they would start targeting obesity. Didn't think they'd link it with climate change LOL.Oct 30 02:37
schestowitzLike they do with lawyersOct 30 02:37
schestowitzMaybe Florian FauxPatents tooOct 30 02:37
ThistleWebkeep an eye on any politicians who appear to be receptive, then target them later on with spin and lies to kill any enthusiasm the presntation sparkedOct 30 02:37
schestowitz"We speak for FOSS" - MicrosoftOct 30 02:38
schestowitzSorry, I mean OutercurveOct 30 02:38
ThistleWebyeah that's the way I read the dude's title on his business cardOct 30 02:38
schestowitzBSA, ACT....Oct 30 02:38
ThistleWebthe impression he wanted to be conveyed to those gullible enough to take him at face valueOct 30 02:38
schestowitzBut never mind that, people point this outOct 30 02:38
schestowitzWe're not gullible enoughOct 30 02:38
ThistleWebanyhoo, just thought I'd mention it in case it was new to youOct 30 02:39
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schestowitzLet em dent somethingOct 30 02:39
ThistleWeblistened to the first techbytes last nightOct 30 02:39
ThistleWebwasnt sure what to expect, but it was a good first epOct 30 02:39
ThistleWebbut you really need to sort your mic outOct 30 02:40
Diablo-D3soOct 30 02:40
Diablo-D3oracleOct 30 02:40
Diablo-D3sent meOct 30 02:40
Diablo-D3a iron man 2 posterOct 30 02:40
Diablo-D3whyOct 30 02:40
Diablo-D3did they send meOct 30 02:40
Diablo-D3a iron man 2 posterOct 30 02:40
schestowitzThistleWeb: yes, we found noise cancellerOct 30 02:41
schestowitzEllisonOct 30 02:41
Diablo-D3do they think they can buy me off withOct 30 02:41
schestowitzDiablo-D3: the guy with a small _ and big yachtOct 30 02:41
Diablo-D3a iron man 2 posterOct 30 02:41
schestowitzhe's in the filmOct 30 02:41
Diablo-D3schestowitz: wait, larry is in iron man 2?Oct 30 02:41
ThistleWebyepOct 30 02:41
schestowitzyesOct 30 02:41
Diablo-D3why does he have to ruin it =/Oct 30 02:41
ThistleWebhe has a cameoOct 30 02:41
*Diablo-D3 hasnt seen it yetOct 30 02:41
Diablo-D3well you know whatOct 30 02:41
schestowitzHe's a charlatanOct 30 02:41
Diablo-D3Im still fucking buying itOct 30 02:41
schestowitz"Iron Man"Oct 30 02:42
Diablo-D3I dont fucking care if larry is in itOct 30 02:42
schestowitzBut BillG too...Oct 30 02:42
Diablo-D3Im not backing downOct 30 02:42
schestowitzHe has a new propaganda filmOct 30 02:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @ThistleWeb The thing is, @horaciog is trying to fool @NeelieKroesEU when he visits her, telling her to use RAND, which blocks #FOSSOct 30 02:42
schestowitzTitles "waiting for superman"Oct 30 02:42
schestowitzIn it, BillG lobbies for him to take charge of US schoolsOct 30 02:42
schestowitzRather appallingOct 30 02:42
ThistleWebiron man is a big budget advert for closed source, patents etcOct 30 02:42
ThistleWeball the iron man tech is refered to as proprietaryOct 30 02:42
Diablo-D3dudeOct 30 02:43
Diablo-D3I like iron manOct 30 02:43
Diablo-D3stfuOct 30 02:43
ThistleWebso grow the ability to separate fiction from factOct 30 02:43
schestowitzOracle uses "Iron" hypeOct 30 02:43
schestowitzSee the Unbreakable Linux logoOct 30 02:43
schestowitz"big iron"Oct 30 02:43
schestowitzThe whole iron BSOct 30 02:43
schestowitzI bet Larryson does the ironing at the houseOct 30 02:44
ThistleWebI'd love to see a gimp'd image of iron man with a "sponsoered by viagra" logo on his armourOct 30 02:44
schestowitzWhile his 3 ex wives yell at himOct 30 02:44
Diablo-D3schestowitz: big iron is ibm you dorkOct 30 02:45
Diablo-D3also, hes an idiotOct 30 02:45
Diablo-D3why have 3 ex wives when you can have 3 wives.Oct 30 02:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @speeddefrost Then, I haven't seen its best "clothes" ;-)Oct 30 02:47
schestowitzDiablo-D3: his deputy has mistressesOct 30 02:48
schestowitzAt least 1Oct 30 02:48
schestowitzScandal from a year agoOct 30 02:48
schestowitzLook it upOct 30 02:48
schestowitzOracle is sort of a man's companyOct 30 02:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @nhi ♻ @Valleywag: McDonald's Tells Employees to Vote Republican http://gawker.com/5676830/ #democracy #corporocracyOct 30 02:48
schestowitzWomanisersOct 30 02:48
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schestowitzMisinformation Wants to be Free: 200+ Mimi and Eunice Cartoons by Nina Paley (SIGNED) 'Each copy is lovingly hand-signed by Nina Paley, with a little hastily-scrawled drawing of either Mimi or Eunice.'Oct 30 02:51
schestowitzhttp://questioncopyright.com/misinfobook.htmlOct 30 02:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Misinformation Wants to be Free: 200+ Mimi and Eunice Cartoons by Nina Paley (SIGNED!) .::. Size~: 10.38 KBOct 30 02:51
schestowitzNow in dead tree formOct 30 02:52
Diablo-D3[09:46:14] <schestowitz> Diablo-D3: his deputy has mistressesOct 30 02:52
Diablo-D3[09:46:17] <schestowitz> At least 1Oct 30 02:52
Diablo-D3[09:46:21] <schestowitz> Scandal from a year agoOct 30 02:52
Diablo-D3scandal? wtfOct 30 02:52
Diablo-D3dudeOct 30 02:52
Diablo-D3if I become a CEOOct 30 02:52
Diablo-D3Im going to become muslimOct 30 02:52
Diablo-D3just so I can four wivesOct 30 02:52
Diablo-D3*haveOct 30 02:53
Diablo-D3yup, Im turning into mccain. god help us all.Oct 30 02:53
Diablo-D3seriously though, four beautiful wivesOct 30 02:53
Diablo-D3and at least one has to be bisexual.Oct 30 02:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft drops SilverLie because it failed badly, starts spinning this as goodwill and commitment to Web standards. #PR #spin #badisgoodOct 30 02:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] After 10 years of email exchanges, I finally met Erik B. #Andersen of !BusyBox IRL. Downside was 10 hours of depositions he had to endure.Oct 30 02:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Do not forget #Samba and browser ballot decisions re MSFT in Europe. Microsoft forced to comply or face fines, then spins it as #goodwillOct 30 02:57
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schestowitzhi, ZiomatrixOct 30 02:57
Ziomatrixschestowitz: oh hi, didn't expect that quick of a response.Oct 30 02:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz Microsoft drops SilverLie because it failed badly, starts spinning this as goodwill and commitment to Web standards. #PR ...Oct 30 02:58
Ziomatrixschestowitz: burning the midnight oil I see, M$ didn't exactly drop SilverlightOct 30 02:59
Ziomatrixschestowitz: they are now using it for scripting apps in WP7Oct 30 02:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Como Conectar o MySQL com o Br Office no Linux: Para podermos combinar o poder do MySQL com a praticidade do Br Of... http://bit.ly/bTYMFpOct 30 03:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] .@schestowitz AHA! #Silverlight fail explains rash of bogus "#IE9 almost might meet part of some standard" via usual #Microsoft re-shillers!Oct 30 03:00
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: I mean sure they more then halved their ambitions for the language, but like that one Monty Python skit its not dead yet.Oct 30 03:01
schestowitzZiomatrix: that's the spin about silver lieOct 30 03:01
schestowitzDon't repeat the spin too keenlyOct 30 03:01
schestowitzor kinly should I say?Oct 30 03:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The death of #SilverLie may mean end of Vista Phony 7 development; reason for steveB to throw a at departing colleagues :-)Oct 30 03:02
schestowitzhm... identica doesn't like  symbolOct 30 03:03
Diablo-D3irc doesnt like it eitherOct 30 03:03
schestowitzphoneOct 30 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft insider spoke about death of WPF and Silver Lie for months. Now we know Vista Phony 7 is the next KINOct 30 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] played with !preenv on !n900. VERY promising. Finally a means to have cross-platform gaming. we need a standardized mobile gaming platform!Oct 30 03:03
Ziomatrixschestowitz: the problem is many people see M$ pushing a WP7 as something that is right up there with iPhone and Android automatically because its coming from M$ and it says Windows so it must be compatible with the desktop OS nevermind the completely proprietary tools needed to develop for it. So far the brand alone builds enough mindshare to surpass Meego, WebOS and even Blackberry atm.Oct 30 03:06
schestowitzNot just yetOct 30 03:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: SchoolOS at Pallikaranai (Chennai). Great Success. http://arunsag.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/schoolos-out... http://bit.ly/bdaIx6Oct 30 03:08
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: however, people are not going to pay attention to the fact that it has a dying markup language. Most people for WP7 look at the potential that folks can use XNA to make games for it as well as Xbox Live support. In other words, it will become primarily a gaming OS.Oct 30 03:09
Ziomatrixschestowitz: along with Office if M$ continues its deathgrip on documenting standards which your latest article shows is slippingOct 30 03:10
schestowitznot a big problem in mobilesOct 30 03:11
schestowitzminimalistic textOct 30 03:11
schestowitzNot MSOFFICE for phone... just something bareboneOct 30 03:11
schestowitzbarebones like Doc/DataViz... Docs2GoOct 30 03:12
schestowitzNow RIM'sOct 30 03:12
Ziomatrixschestowitz: yes and no, smartphones are making people feel the need to not only be able to read but edit documents that are rich in fonts, spacing, bullets and ect.Oct 30 03:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 #Silverlight fail explains rash of bogus "#IE9 almost might meet part of some standard" via usual #Microsoft re-shillers!Oct 30 03:12
Ziomatrixschestowitz: Have you seen how the latest Dataviz, QuickOffice and even GoogleDocs mobile suites look? I was able to edit an essay and notes with bullets even on a Treo.Oct 30 03:13
schestowitzYesOct 30 03:14
schestowitzOld newsOct 30 03:14
schestowitzI did this on my Palm 7 years agoOct 30 03:14
schestowitzMaybe 8Oct 30 03:15
schestowitzBullets and allOct 30 03:15
schestowitzspreadsheets tooOct 30 03:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @johnsu01 RD @fsf VLC dev takes a stand against DRM in #AppStore -- http://fsf.org/sx-vlc001 -- VLC is GPL.Oct 30 03:15
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: But now many more people are catching on to that. A majority of smartphone buyers (even if they don't consider themselves as such) look to their phones as mini-PCs now (at least in the US) in the sense they actually care about screensize and memory now.Oct 30 03:16
oiaohmI see QuickOffice as another bit of junk.Oct 30 03:16
oiaohmNo ODF support.Oct 30 03:16
oiaohmAnd stupidly claiming OOXML support.Oct 30 03:17
oiaohmNothing passes the OOXML test suite.Oct 30 03:17
Ziomatrixschestowitz: well thats the only choice WebOS users have now since Dataviz stated they won't extend support.Oct 30 03:17
Ziomatrixschestowitz: the newest QuickOffice is suppose to be able to sync and pull any files from GoogleDocs, so it must have some ODF support now.Oct 30 03:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @fabsh ♺ @evan RT @jimmy_wales This is the most awesome image in a Wikipedia article, ever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_pageOct 30 03:18
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: it doesn't matter as Dataviz was acquired by RIMOct 30 03:19
Ziomatrixoiaohm: oops all those responses were for youOct 30 03:19
Ziomatrixoiaohm: so with Dataviz acquired by RIM and certain platforms such as WebOS left out of a full Docs2Go suite, what are the alternatives?Oct 30 03:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Kind feedback on our unedited, unscripted test show so far http://ur1.ca/27u5j !TechBytesOct 30 03:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @mohanpram he said it in the 90sOct 30 03:23
ThistleWeblol, in that image, tim's going for the Jane from Firefly lookOct 30 03:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] aha, this may have been why I had about 5hrs downtime from the interwebs earlier http://bbc.in/d1ByLWOct 30 03:27
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ZiomatrixThistleWeb: how many backbone providers are there in the UK?Oct 30 03:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @gbraad played with !preenv on !n900. VERY promising. Finally a means to have cross-platform gaming. [...]Oct 30 03:28
ThistleWebBT are by far the largest, they sell their network to other ISPsOct 30 03:29
ThistleWebother than BT, you're looking at cableOct 30 03:29
ThistleWebI'm on plusnet who use BT's pipesOct 30 03:29
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I am excited about how the WebOS PDK applications can be crossed over to Maemo and hopefully Meego.Oct 30 03:29
schestowitzMicrosoft has WPF/Silver LieOct 30 03:30
schestowitzi.e. dependence on selfOct 30 03:30
ThistleWebBT used to be a state monopolyOct 30 03:30
schestowitzNow that WPF collapses Kin2k is iun troubleOct 30 03:30
ThistleWebfor landlines tooOct 30 03:30
Ziomatrixschestowitz: true, but considering the mass amount of people who bought Xbox and continue to contribute via Xbox Live its a pretty big market for developing games for WP7 as well.Oct 30 03:30
ThistleWeband other stuff like directory enquireesOct 30 03:31
ZiomatrixThistleWeb: like Ma Bell or AT&T back in the day.Oct 30 03:31
ZiomatrixThistleWeb: but there aren't other backbones aside from BT?Oct 30 03:31
ThistleWebI guessOct 30 03:31
ThistleWebnot really, or at least not that I knowOct 30 03:31
schestowitzxbox is crapOct 30 03:32
ThistleWebnot for adsl anywayOct 30 03:32
schestowitzas a businessOct 30 03:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] With Silver Lie down for the count Microsoft's mobile ambitions are too. Though I hardly see anyone pointing this out in the press...Oct 30 03:32
schestowitzDon't fall for itOct 30 03:32
ThistleWebcable and satalite are differentOct 30 03:32
schestowitzManchetser has JANETOct 30 03:32
schestowitzIt was down about 5 years ago for half a day(time)Oct 30 03:33
schestowitzBad router or somethingOct 30 03:33
schestowitzThistleWeb: satellites make backbones?!Oct 30 03:33
ZiomatrixThistleWeb: I know one good thing about the state of broadband in the US is all the dedicated backbone providers around such as Level 3, Genuity, Broadwing as well as others on top of the large telecoms such as Qwest, Verizon and Cable cos.Oct 30 03:33
ThistleWebI class the providor your ISP leaes from as the backboneOct 30 03:34
ThistleWebwho own the infrastructureOct 30 03:34
schestowitzUsually fibre or thick coax (old)Oct 30 03:34
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoaxOct 30 03:34
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ZiomatrixThistleWeb: everything else unfortunately is a monopolized mess that is also affecting state laws is preventing municipalities from funding their own broadband projects. :-(Oct 30 03:34
ThistleWebI know hull own their own, maning the people of hull get royally screwed, with no choiceOct 30 03:35
ZiomatrixThistleWeb: as far as I know there are no satellites used by backbone providers, the latency is just too great.Oct 30 03:35
ThistleWebbt had the state owned monopoly on coax landline phones, before anyone decided to use them as computer comunication cablesOct 30 03:37
Ziomatrixschestowitz: hopefully open source games can grab a chunk of the mobile market, I wouldn't want to pay yearly just to use the internet for a game on a phone.Oct 30 03:37
ThistleWebbefore caleOct 30 03:37
ThistleWebcable*Oct 30 03:37
ThistleWebbottom line, if you want a phone, you had to call BTOct 30 03:37
ThistleWeband pay their rates, accept their conditionsOct 30 03:37
ZiomatrixThistleWeb: did you also have to "rent" phones from them?Oct 30 03:37
ThistleWebthen the internet came, and you still had to use BTOct 30 03:38
ThistleWebused to yesOct 30 03:38
ZiomatrixThistleWeb: certain cable companies have the gaul to still charge you a monthly maintenance fee for the modem even if you bought it.Oct 30 03:39
ThistleWebthey do what they can if they're a monopolyOct 30 03:39
ThistleWebeventually they were forced to compete on certain parts of their business, like selling access to their network for other isps etcOct 30 03:41
ThistleWeband stuff like directory enquiriesOct 30 03:41
ThistleWebeventually they had to allow other companies to take over the line rental fees for their customers, for a while you could only buy your call plan from a different company, you still had to pay BT line rental for the lineOct 30 03:42
ZiomatrixThistleWeb: in the US Telcos found a loopwhole by rolling out the service as a complete media service with franchise agreements they can keep full ownership and don't have to lease the lines.Oct 30 03:42
ThistleWebyeahOct 30 03:42
ZiomatrixThistleWeb: There are a few Cable ISPs such as Earthlink and Wide Open West that lease their infrastructure from other entrenched companies to transcend the limitations of regional franchisingOct 30 03:43
ThistleWebwe had quite a few companies who got their monopoly from the state, then were later forced to competeOct 30 03:44
ThistleWebroyal mail and the post office are a shower of useless wankersOct 30 03:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Foreclosure activity up across most US metro areas http://ur1.ca/0vlfj Lawyers, banks 'make a killing'Oct 30 03:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FFII Free access to public data, says Benjamin Henrion http://bit.ly/dbuyrq //cc @zoobabOct 30 03:47
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schestowitzMobbyists... http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/29109081436Oct 30 03:48
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schestowitzObsessed with usOct 30 03:48
schestowitzLove other mobbyistsOct 30 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ODF Plugfest — Brussels http://ur1.ca/27ubr "new ODF-supporting ..including LetterGen, OFS Collaboration Suite, ODT2EPub and odt2braille."Oct 30 03:48
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: many foreclosures may have due to a cascading software error thanks in part to your's truly: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-10-14/foreclosure-error-may-bring-home-break-in-by-bank-ann-woolner.htmlOct 30 03:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Foreclosure Error May Bring Home Break-In by Bank: Ann Woolner - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 48.64 KBOct 30 03:49
schestowitzZiomatrix: who, me?Oct 30 03:49
schestowitzOr you?Oct 30 03:49
schestowitzYou did finance s/w?Oct 30 03:49
Ziomatrixschestowitz: well for whoever wrote the most popular spreadsheet software for large business thus farOct 30 03:50
*schestowitz adds Ziomatrix's linkOct 30 03:51
schestowitzGood "error" for high bonusesOct 30 03:52
schestowitzfake "oops"Oct 30 03:52
Ziomatrixschestowitz: much of it is also done to human error as well and is due to have people who already paid their mortgages still piled into an IOU database. Thus, when they eventually see no response or them falling on their "responsibilities" stemming from an agreement they never signed then send the police and repomen to change the locks.Oct 30 03:52
Ziomatrixschestowitz: it becomes worse when these large institutions share their dataOct 30 03:53
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schestowitzHere is FauxPatents promoting Vista Phony 7 again:Oct 30 03:55
schestowitz" FOSSpatents: RT @edbott: 500,000 download of the #wp7 dev tools already - @scottgu #pdc10 " http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/29006061220Oct 30 03:55
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schestowitzobbyistsOct 30 03:55
schestowitzAnd dana calls him FOSS fanOct 30 03:55
Ziomatrixschestowitz: isn't that name an oxymoron?Oct 30 03:56
schestowitzWhich one?Oct 30 03:57
schestowitzTypoOct 30 03:57
schestowitzMobbyistOct 30 03:57
schestowitzNot hobbyist or lobbyistOct 30 03:57
Ziomatrixschestowitz: FOSSpatentsOct 30 03:57
schestowitzyesOct 30 03:57
schestowitzFauxPatentsOct 30 03:57
schestowitzThere's also a blog called LinuxPatentsOct 30 03:58
schestowitzAnti-LinuxOct 30 03:58
schestowitzMaybe also belonging to FauxPatents due to similiaritiesOct 30 03:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #mobbyists are going out of their way these days to promote Vista Phony 7. Not a good way to pretend to be "FOSS people" (I like Linux, but)Oct 30 03:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn 10 hours? Is this for a !GPL enforcement case (if you can say)Oct 30 03:58
ThistleWebschestowitz: at some point I'm gonna put you in a quandry with some of my screencast epsOct 30 03:59
ThistleWebwhether or not to include themOct 30 04:00
schestowitzThistleWeb: :-)Oct 30 04:00
ThistleWebI have at least 1 planeed, maybe 2 or 3, to record on win7Oct 30 04:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft is so much better than Linux...when it comes to #mobbyists. Microsoft enjoys people who pretend to be FOSS people and market MSFT.Oct 30 04:00
ThistleWebinstead of linuxOct 30 04:00
ThistleWebbut..they are about unetbootin, linux isos, md5 checks etcOct 30 04:00
ThistleWebie how to switch away, but from windowsOct 30 04:01
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/17234/whats_really_going_on_with_ubuntu_unityOct 30 04:01
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schestowitzThistleWeb: better than the random oggs I put in beforeOct 30 04:01
schestowitzAlso easier for me to fetchOct 30 04:01
ThistleWebI've still to figure out how to do it in windows, and get the right formats.....and it is only a handful of epsOct 30 04:02
ThistleWebeverything else is linuxOct 30 04:02
ThistleWebI have found a free screencasting app in windows called camfrog (I think)Oct 30 04:02
ThistleWebbut it gives real odd codecsOct 30 04:03
ThistleWebquality is fine, just strange codecsOct 30 04:03
ZiomatrixThistleWeb: it would be cool if small computer stores start to op to bundle Ubuntu with Unity and WINE Doors as an option for users promoting them as a feature rich and OSX like but cheaper alternative to Vista 7.Oct 30 04:03
ZiomatrixThistleWeb: M$ is already muttering about Vista 8Oct 30 04:03
ThistleWebI don't mind if it's avi + ogv or mkv + ogv or whatever, but every ep I do will have an ogv versionOct 30 04:04
ThistleWebno matter what it's recorded onOct 30 04:04
schestowitzBut not Vista Phone 8Oct 30 04:04
schestowitzIt may never come outOct 30 04:04
schestowitzKINdleOct 30 04:04
schestowitzKINect...Oct 30 04:04
schestowitzKin7Oct 30 04:04
Ziomatrixschestowitz: isn't that an Amazon product? Well Barnes & Noble's Android based Nook is making inroads.Oct 30 04:04
ThistleWebmy initial playing with camfrog.....well, we'll put it down to "needs some investigation"Oct 30 04:05
schestowitzyeahOct 30 04:05
schestowitzKindle is now taxed by MicrosoftOct 30 04:05
schestowitzsoftware patents BSOct 30 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #China has the top supercomputer in the world, but it still runs !gnu !Linux appears to belong to the Tianhe-1AOct 30 04:05
Ziomatrixschestowitz: really!? :-o how!?Oct 30 04:05
Ziomatrixschestowitz: was there ever a supercomputer that ran Windows or Vista?Oct 30 04:06
ThistleWebthe kindle 3 does look nice for the price, the entry oneOct 30 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] anyone know a free (cost) screencasting app for win7? I have a few eps planned on switchingOct 30 04:07
ThistleWebI love the idea that every ebook reader is embedded linux, even if they don't advertise itOct 30 04:07
oiaohmZiomatrix: I got pulled away you don't have to have ODF support to sync off google docs.Oct 30 04:07
ThistleWebI looked into my one, well, did some web searching, to find it was Monta Vista linuxOct 30 04:07
schestowitzCaviumOct 30 04:08
ThistleWebnever heard of it before I got my sony ereaderOct 30 04:08
Ziomatrixschestowitz: btw, to correct you on your audiocast the first carrier for wp7 in the US is going to be AT&T oddly enough.Oct 30 04:08
schestowitzAhhh..Oct 30 04:08
schestowitzWHat did I say?Oct 30 04:08
schestowitzI said not VerizonOct 30 04:08
Ziomatrixschestowitz: you said Verizon or T-MobileOct 30 04:08
schestowitzNoOct 30 04:08
schestowitzI excluded themOct 30 04:08
schestowitzThey got burnedOct 30 04:08
schestowitzT-Mobile=>sidekickOct 30 04:09
schestowitzBut I didn't prepare to say it clearly, the show was a rambleOct 30 04:09
Ziomatrixschestowitz: ahh ok, yo comprendeOct 30 04:09
schestowitzTest sessionOct 30 04:09
ThistleWebtalkshoe?Oct 30 04:09
schestowitzaka OprahOct 30 04:09
schestowitzAliens and psychicsOct 30 04:10
schestowitzAppealing to idiocy, good for ratingsOct 30 04:10
schestowitzBringing dancing dogs, quacks like Chopra and Geller, and professional crooks like Gates to advertise privitising shoolsOct 30 04:10
schestowitzprivatisingOct 30 04:10
schestowitzschoolsOct 30 04:11
Ziomatrixschestowitz: that makes me feel bad about posting Businessweek since its own by BloombergOct 30 04:11
Ziomatrixschestowitz: is Oprah pro-privatization?Oct 30 04:14
Ziomatrixnvm, got itOct 30 04:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple, It’s Not a Feature. It’s a Bug. http://ur1.ca/27ukb #apple #hype #hypeos #hypephone !dbd #securityOct 30 04:17
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schestowitzhttp://pogson.6k.ca/2010/10/27/push-comes-to-shove-in-russian-educational-it/ "see TechRights for information on other dirty tricks pulled on behalf of M$ recently"Oct 30 04:20
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schestowitzNeatOct 30 04:20
schestowitz[04:14] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: is Oprah pro-privatization?Oct 30 04:21
schestowitzpro-moneyOct 30 04:21
schestowitz"once the world's only black billionaire." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OprahOct 30 04:21
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schestowitzShe's no Michael MooreOct 30 04:21
schestowitzShe advertised Gates and MSFT earlier this monthOct 30 04:22
schestowitzThe latter FOR MONEYOct 30 04:22
cubezzzhmmmOct 30 04:22
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/10/24/lots-of-publicity-for-influence/Oct 30 04:22
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cubezzzwell even Michael Moore is pro-money to some degreeOct 30 04:23
cubezzzit's always a matter of degreeOct 30 04:23
cubezzzobviously gates -> Money #1Oct 30 04:23
cubezzzhence he never talks about WikipediaOct 30 04:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Stand up against Rand Paul's goons http://ur1.ca/27umwOct 30 04:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ASUS Coming Back to !GNU !Linux http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/10/29/asus-coming-back-to-gnulinux/ They always come back for moreOct 30 04:25
cubezzzand Gates has already taken over the schoolsOct 30 04:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   ASUS Coming Back to GNU/Linux at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 30.93 KBOct 30 04:25
cubezzzhow much worse can it get (in North America esp.)Oct 30 04:26
cubezzzI've been in government buildings where there wasn't a single non-windows boxOct 30 04:27
schestowitzHe goes lobbying thereOct 30 04:28
schestowitzTo keep things "in check"Oct 30 04:28
schestowitzBillyboxes on every deskOct 30 04:29
schestowitzNow he wants billypatent on every seedOct 30 04:29
schestowitzMonsanto and all..Oct 30 04:29
cubezzzI'm not sure how bad it is in Canadian schools nowadays but I bet it's pretty badOct 30 04:29
schestowitz"@schestowitz <http://identi.ca/schestowitz> !gnu !linux sort of, it's tesla-based so could say the linux part is a really complex bootloader"http://identi.ca/conversation/57177661#notice-57689630Oct 30 04:30
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cubezzzwho really watchdogs stuff like thatOct 30 04:31
cubezzzwhen I was in HS it was all Commodore PETOct 30 04:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @lohang: !reading : 'Why I Left My Publisher in Order to Publish a Book' by Douglas Rushkoff http://ur1.ca/1w9x9Oct 30 04:32
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*cubezzz tries to figure out if things are improving or notOct 30 04:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Red_Hat near 52-wk High http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/keyDevelopments?rpc=66&symbol=RHT&timestamp=20101027120100Oct 30 04:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "[Microsoft] ... are willing to lose money for years and years just to make sure that you don't make any money, either." -Robert X. CringelyOct 30 04:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] You've gotta love stupid bureaucrats. Thank goodness this does not happen in Singapore (wink, wink) http://ur1.ca/27upg #fbOct 30 04:37
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cubezzzlolOct 30 04:37
cubezzznow it sucks being in Russia even moreOct 30 04:37
Ziomatrixthink about the iPads: http://tinyurl.com/2waxmr8Oct 30 04:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @schestowitz ASUS Coming Back to !GNU !Linux http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/10/29/asus-coming-back-to-gnulinux/ They always come back for moreOct 30 04:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @schestowitz #ODF Plugfest — Brussels http://ur1.ca/27ubr "new ODF-supporting ..including LetterGen, OFS Collaboration Suite, ODT2EP ...Oct 30 04:38
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ZiomatrixHere's a summary: http://tinyurl.com/29tp22wOct 30 04:39
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schestowitzYeahOct 30 04:40
schestowitzIt doesn't matter [sarcasm]Oct 30 04:40
schestowitzthere's over a billion of them [sarcasm]Oct 30 04:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @schestowitz RT @FFII Free access to public data, says Benjamin Henrion http://bit.ly/dbuyrq //cc @zoobabOct 30 04:40
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oiaohmNext question about the ASUS is will there windows tablet be meego infected.  schestowitzOct 30 04:43
oiaohmSimple problem here we might get to the point that everything contains Linux something.Oct 30 04:43
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cubezzzI know a bit about chemicalsOct 30 04:44
cubezzzI worked with plastics for a whileOct 30 04:44
cubezzzI have a pretty hard-core breathing maskOct 30 04:44
cubezzzone can't be too carefulOct 30 04:45
schestowitzIn China it's like a piece of the production lineOct 30 04:46
schestowitzAfter a while worker has high toxicityOct 30 04:46
schestowitzYou just replace it with a new, 'clean' oneOct 30 04:46
schestowitzApple has enough workers in stockOct 30 04:46
Ziomatrixcubezzz: too bad many workers in China aren't afforded the same. Actually plenty who helped BP in the Gulf of Mexico and LouisianaOct 30 04:46
schestowitzBREEDING human cogwheels :-(Oct 30 04:46
schestowitzZiomatrix: those tooOct 30 04:47
schestowitzPay with their healthOct 30 04:47
schestowitzLike coal minersOct 30 04:47
Ziomatrixschestowitz: Apple is not even fully culpible beyond simply choosing a partner to manufacture the products.Oct 30 04:47
cubezzzBP did a million things wrongOct 30 04:47
schestowitzGiven conditions to drive them into this labour or starveOct 30 04:47
cubezzzpeople should at least get enough training to know the health risksOct 30 04:47
schestowitzcubezzz/Ziomatrix: BP is now funding global warming denialOct 30 04:47
schestowitzIt's not even trying to do RP rightOct 30 04:48
Ziomatrixcubezzz: would they work as hard if they do, get in the gritty ect?Oct 30 04:48
cubezzzprobably notOct 30 04:48
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cubezzzthey would need some background on hazardous chemicalsOct 30 04:49
cubezzzI'm sure that doesn't happen thoughOct 30 04:50
cubezzzat least in this time of internet you could look up the chemicals you're working withOct 30 04:51
cubezzzsee if it's really bad or notOct 30 04:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @schestowitz @harishpillay They always come back for more. LOL!Oct 30 04:53
schestowitzOops. I forgot to sleep. 5am now... gn. ...Oct 30 05:05
schestowitzNot tired enough... aborting sleep() sequence.Oct 30 05:05
schestowitzI had too much coffee last nightOct 30 05:05
schestowitzStill suspends brain's judgmentOct 30 05:05
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I've gone on a several day without much rest work blitz.Oct 30 05:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oops. I forgot to sleep. 5am now... gn.Oct 30 05:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] parece que !jabberes .org esta #pafOct 30 05:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] How to ditch big brother and disappear forever? http://lifehacker.com/5676149/how-to-ditch-big-brother-and-disappear-forever #interestingOct 30 05:20
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schestowitzZiomatrix: how long?Oct 30 05:25
schestowitzMaybe I should set an alarm clock to remind myself to go to sleepOct 30 05:25
schestowitz^sarcasmOct 30 05:25
Ziomatrixschestowitz: 3 daysOct 30 05:25
schestowitzthat's maxOct 30 05:25
schestowitz72 hoursOct 30 05:25
schestowitzThen you start blinking or dozingOct 30 05:25
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I was like a zombie, luckily most of what I did was routine. I had moments and then adrenaline rush with headache.Oct 30 05:26
Ziomatrixschestowitz: ok it was more like approx 2.5 daysOct 30 05:28
cubezzzI knew a guy who would drink two 2 litre bottles of coke per dayOct 30 05:32
cubezzzhe was programming for a week straightOct 30 05:32
cubezzzthen he went into the hospitalOct 30 05:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "It runs on the worlds most powerful graphics chip... Imagination!" -Sheldon on emulators for text-based adventures - !tbbt S4E6 !qOct 30 05:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @fsf VLC dev takes a stand against DRM in #AppStore -- http://fsf.org/sx-vlc001 -- VLC is !GPL. App Store contradicts freedom !fsf !g ...Oct 30 05:45
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Ziomatrixanyway I don't want and there's no reason to pull an all nighter for me, good day folks.Oct 30 05:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New !StopUBB post: Overturn the #CRTC Ruling http://stopusagebasedbilling.wordpress.com/2010/10/29/overturn-the-crtc-ruling/ #cdnpoliOct 30 05:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @laurelrusswurm: New StopUBB post: Overturn the #CRTC Ruling ur1.ca/27v6g #cdnpoliOct 30 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @schestowitz well that is true. Not saying that *I* want to buy it. Just glad that its coming to the Indian market rather than not at allOct 30 05:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !StopUBB #Internet Question of the Day - The #CBC asks: "How Do You Prefer To Be Billed?" http://ur1.ca/27v74 #cdnpoliOct 30 05:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @fsf VLC dev takes a stand against DRM in #AppStore -- http://fsf.org/sx-vlc001 -- VLC is !GPL. App Store contradicts freedom !fsf !g ...Oct 30 06:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] feels good I can teach @yongyuan something about management/efficiency :-P. her restaurant on kaixin is doing very well. 100% satisfactionOct 30 06:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] [KORG] Master / hera upgrade & downtime announcement http://bit.ly/am5uYu "OS getting upgraded to Fedora 13 [...] Google and HP have [...]"Oct 30 06:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Thinking of attending talk by Wikipedia co-founder @jimmy_wales http://ur1.ca/27viw on Sunday 31st Oct in Mumbai #WPMMU3Oct 30 06:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @johnsu01 RD @fsf How to make WebM videos and ensure that YouTube shows them as WebM: http://ur1.ca/27tej !gnu (thanks @dpic)Oct 30 06:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @johnsu01 RD @fsf How to make WebM videos and ensure that YouTube shows them as WebM: http://ur1.ca/27tej !gnu (thanks @dpic)Oct 30 06:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I guess elections are nearing! http://www.temasekreview.com/2010/10/26/pub-to-spend-22m-to-prove-pap-leaders-wrong/ #fbOct 30 06:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Kital suggested me as FAmSCo nomination !fedora's !fedoraambassadors Steering Committee for !China: http://is.gd/gtzXO http://is.gd/gtzXPOct 30 06:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @pblinux y esperemos que no remplazen Gnome por Unity porque sino eso si seria una cagada!!Oct 30 06:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] This is the most awesome image in a Wikipedia article, ever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_page (via jimmy_wales & evan.status.net)Oct 30 07:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !Preenv on !N900 is a win due to the #TV-out function... too bad its a poor quality. new convergence devices/mobile computers NEED #HDMIOct 30 07:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Read The #fedora Daily ▸ today's top stories are contributed by @linuxfoundation @richardfrk and @novatillasku ▸ http://t.co/NHBkA7sOct 30 07:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @fsf VLC dev takes a stand against DRM in #AppStore -- http://fsf.org/sx-vlc001 -- VLC is !GPL. App Store contradicts freedom !fsf !g ...Oct 30 07:23
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tessierhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834Oct 30 07:35
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tessierNo more Silverlight! Yeay!Oct 30 07:36
tessierI can't believe they are pushing HTML5 for apps instead of Windows as a platform.Oct 30 07:36
MinceRwell, they've bought their way into the W3COct 30 07:38
MinceRperhaps they're about to rape HTML5Oct 30 07:38
oiaohmno tessierOct 30 07:39
oiaohmLook closer MS is now pushing silverlight as there mobile platforms language.Oct 30 07:39
oiaohmMicrosoft is not giving up.  They are trying to get developers.Oct 30 07:40
tessierBut MS will never succeed in mobile.Oct 30 07:40
tessierApple/Google have them totally beat there.Oct 30 07:40
tessierWindows as a platform is dying. They'll never recover from that.Oct 30 07:40
oiaohmReally Apple may end up beat up as well.Oct 30 08:04
oiaohmDroid and Meego completing for the same market.Oct 30 08:04
oiaohmBoth at low cost.Oct 30 08:04
oiaohmIs not going to leave much room in the market.Oct 30 08:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #fscons only one week away... looking forward to met many other !fs activists http://fscons.orgOct 30 08:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Challenges to ACTA Mount: The week in Review - http://bit.ly/buiMB7 but can they stop the juggernaut? #actaOct 30 08:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The 'Dancing Baby' Lawsuit Will Shape Future of Fair Use - http://bit.ly/9j3ARr probably #fairuse #copyrightOct 30 08:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Diaspora October Update - http://bit.ly/bozEjk "getting better every day" #facebook #socialnwsOct 30 08:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Reminder: Despite What You May Have Heard, Happy Birthday Should Be In The Public Domain - http://bit.ly/9Cq98H time for a mass sing-in?Oct 30 08:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Former Movie Piracy Scene Member Speaks Out - http://bit.ly/b3XP0I insights into a rather strange world #piracyOct 30 08:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Dear #lazyweb, how to install Unison 2.32 on Debian Lenny Stable?Oct 30 08:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How ACTA Turns Limited Secondary Liability In Copyright Into Broad Criminal Aiding & Abetting - http://bit.ly/bJDpAj getting worse #actaOct 30 09:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Govts demonstrating leadership in openness with Creative Commons - http://bit.ly/c9Wg31 “all future ICT Qatar projects will be open source"Oct 30 09:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Web Linking Gets Deeper with New Standard for Link Relations - http://rww.to/aj3ehw "Typed links - links with a clear semantic meaning"Oct 30 09:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US Government Argues in Court that Isolated Genes are Unpatentable - http://bit.ly/9K4q9Q with link to amicus brief #genepatentsOct 30 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wen Jiabao, Hero of the Chinese People - http://bit.ly/aUdUrf fascinating chap #chinaOct 30 09:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody Wen Jiabao, Hero of the Chinese People - http://bit.ly/aUdUrf fascinating chap #chinaOct 30 09:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] With the new #maemo update, the #n900 battery seems to last a lot longer! #nokia #happyUserOct 30 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Interesting. "Real Men use Android". Nice - http://ur1.ca/27xgr #fbOct 30 09:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @kernellogauthor [KORG] Master / hera upgrade & downtime announcement http://bit.ly/am5uYu "OS getting upgraded to !Fedora 13"Oct 30 09:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] An classic example as to why Gartner is no different "your daily horoscope" http://ur1.ca/27xj5 #fbOct 30 09:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @planetfedora Richard W.M. Jones: Tip: Use Augeas to get the default boot kernel for a VM: Note: This requires libguestfs ≥ 1.5.... h ...Oct 30 09:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @gbraad Kital suggested me as FAmSCo nomination fedora's fedoraambassadors Steering Committee for China: http://is.gd/gtzXO ...Oct 30 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer #fedora Daily ▸ today's top stories are contributed by @linuxfoundation @richardfrk and @novatillasku ▸ http://t.co/NHBkA7sOct 30 09:44
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schestowitz[07:39] <oiaohm> Look closer MS is now pushing silverlight as there mobile platforms language.Oct 30 09:44
schestowitzNot "now"Oct 30 09:44
schestowitzThey did this before Silver LieOct 30 09:44
schestowitzThey did this before Silver Lie diedOct 30 09:44
schestowitzSo now they are stuck and they have to spin itOct 30 09:44
schestowitz[07:40] <oiaohm> Microsoft is not giving up.  They are trying to get developers.Oct 30 09:44
schestowitzNoOct 30 09:44
schestowitzThey failedOct 30 09:44
schestowitzAnd Android has 100+ time more apps than Vista Phony 7Oct 30 09:45
schestowitz*timesOct 30 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @gbraad Kital suggested me as FAmSCo nomination !fedora's !fedoraambassadors Steering Committee for !China: http://is.gd/gtzXO http:/ ...Oct 30 09:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @fkarlitschek ownCloud 1.1 RC1 is released. http://ownCloud.org Grab it while it´s hot and look for show-stopper. #ownCloud #kdeOct 30 09:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "MS will never succeed in mobile. Apple/Google have them totally beat there.Windows as a platform is dying. They'll never recover from that"Oct 30 09:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Last quote from tessier, our admin. Microsoft gives up on Silver Lie, but worries because Vista Phony 7 depends on it. Bad design decision.Oct 30 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Expect @horaciog & the boys to get more aggressive with @swpats and lawsuits. It's the only way they can 'compete' now.Oct 30 09:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jerezim RT @FelixTreguer: UN Special Rapporteur calls #ACTA danger to human rights http://bit.ly/c6xlKwOct 30 09:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Launching ghouls into space to Wagner's Flight of the Valkyries! :D #NewVegasOct 30 09:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @glynmoody Govts demonstrating leadership in openness with Creative Commons - http://bit.ly/c9Wg31 “all future ICT Qatar projects wil ...Oct 30 09:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fair Use is like Free speech... only respected in theory, not in practice because people push the envelope. #ap #mpaa #riaa #fox #abuseOct 30 09:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @glynmoody The 'Dancing Baby' Lawsuit Will Shape Future of Fair Use - http://bit.ly/9j3ARr probably #fairuse #copyright > fare [sic] useOct 30 09:55
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schestowitzoiaohm: hiOct 30 09:56
schestowitz_log<schestowitz> [07:39] <oiaohm> Look closer MS is now pushing silverlight as there mobile platforms language.Oct 30 09:57
schestowitz_log<schestowitz> Not "now"Oct 30 09:57
schestowitz_log<schestowitz> They did this before Silver LieOct 30 09:57
schestowitz_log<schestowitz> They did this before Silver Lie diedOct 30 09:57
schestowitz_log<schestowitz> So now they are stuck and they have to spin itOct 30 09:57
schestowitz_logschestowitz> [07:40] <oiaohm> Microsoft is not giving up.  They are trying to get developers.Oct 30 09:57
schestowitz_log<schestowitz> NoOct 30 09:57
schestowitz_log<schestowitz> They failedOct 30 09:57
schestowitz_log<schestowitz> And Android has 100+ times more apps than Vista Phony 7Oct 30 09:57
schestowitzYou see?Oct 30 09:57
oiaohmThey have not given up yet.Oct 30 09:58
schestowitzThey made the wpf design decision before they knew SIlver Lie would failOct 30 09:58
schestowitzoiaohm: of course niotOct 30 09:58
schestowitzThey have $400,000,000 spent on marketingOct 30 09:58
schestowitzUnlike w/ KINOct 30 09:58
oiaohmI would not be suprised to see silverlight as a unified xbox and 7 phones.Oct 30 09:58
schestowitzAnd they gave all MSFT staff such phonesOct 30 09:58
schestowitzoiaohm: noOct 30 09:58
schestowitzToo expensive to maintainOct 30 09:59
schestowitzNot many phonesOct 30 09:59
oiaohmReally not.Oct 30 09:59
schestowitzA whole sdk for just one set of phoneOct 30 09:59
oiaohmXNA on  Xbox is charged.Oct 30 09:59
oiaohmI would not put it past MS charging for silverlight on Xbox eitehr.Oct 30 09:59
oiaohmAnd not supporting html5 on the XboxOct 30 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RuiSeabra: Govts demonstrating leadership in openness with Creative Commons - QATAR - http://bit.ly/c9Wg3Oct 30 10:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @harishpillay An classic example as to why Gartner is no different "your daily horoscope" http://ur1.ca/27xj5 / see http://ur1.ca/1cntqOct 30 10:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @tct: http://krossfire.ro (400 de unici/zi, 1000 de vizite) promovează http://fii-liber.ro! Felicitări :-)Oct 30 10:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Playing #NewVegas http://ur1.ca/27xsbOct 30 10:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @meegoblog: MeeGo Linux 1.1 is now available WebsiteGear News http://nowskip.to/b7CrGzOct 30 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @brews: "#Google #Android is only ' #open ' if you're the phone company" http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/10/29/google.open.android/Oct 30 10:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Opinion: Google Android is only 'open' if you're the phone company  - CNN.com .::. Size~: 45.25 KBOct 30 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] ♺ @teirdes: RD @brokep Maybe we should just say "participants in culture" instead. #fcforum << Yes I use "participants" for art.Oct 30 10:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] ♺ @glynmoody: #Diaspora October Update - http://bit.ly/bozEjk "getting better every day" #facebook #socialnwsOct 30 10:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: October Update .::. Size~: 4.59 KBOct 30 10:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: From tessier, our admin. #Microsoft gives up on #Silverlight, but worries because Windows Phone 7 depends on it. Bad design.Oct 30 10:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 2011: The Year of the !Linux Desktop http://ur1.ca/27xum "With penetration of Android [...] too early to write off Linux on the Desktop."Oct 30 10:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 2011: The Year of the Linux Desktop « Brendan Scotts Weblog .::. Size~: 38.72 KBOct 30 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Meego 1.1 is here http://is.gd/gtT8f #meego #nokia #gnu #linuxOct 30 10:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: MeeGo Linux 1.1 is now available – New Tech Gadgets & Electronic Devices | Geek.com .::. Size~: 62.13 KBOct 30 10:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Do Artists Use Ubuntu? http://ur1.ca/27xvu " !Ubuntu – 20,300 (3.7%); !Linux – 16,000 (3%)" > Wait. Ubuntu!=Linux?Oct 30 10:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Opinion: Who's afraid of the Maverick Meerkat? http://ur1.ca/27xw3 "shows that !Linux is ready for the prime time." !ubuntuOct 30 10:24
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Opinion: Who's afraid of the Maverick Meerkat? News - PC Advisor .::. Size~: 65.66 KBOct 30 10:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 10 popular Windows applications that should be ported to !Linux http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=3284 ProprietaryOct 30 10:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] Just got "Null message body; hope that's ok" emailed to me by cron. It really cares! !linuxOct 30 10:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] An Uncommon Conference on the Commons - http://bit.ly/bXjwp7 #Berlin's uncommonly lovely in the autumn, I hear #commons #conferenceOct 30 10:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] totally wants an IP of something like FOUR NULLS ONE!Oct 30 10:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] Here's how I pronounce ipv6 addresses (e.g. 2001:5b:0:241a::22) two thousand and one, five B, nought, two four one A, nulls, twenty two. :POct 30 10:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] What's !identica done? Highlighted an ipv6 address, and just done nothing with it? Here: use <a href="http://[IP]/">IP</a>Oct 30 10:34
*_Goblin (~sabayonus@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #techrightsOct 30 10:39
schestowitz_Goblin: what's your situation now?Oct 30 10:40
schestowitzOff to work soon?Oct 30 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Command Line not out of fashion everywhere - http://tinyurl.com/2d5je97 !bashOct 30 10:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] At Logan preparing to restore sanity.Oct 30 10:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] IDG's pseudo-open source blog plays the open source is not "commercial" #FUD card http://ur1.ca/27y6xOct 30 10:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Logical Expression: The Widening Value Gap Between Open Source and Commercial Software | Network World .::. Size~: 71.57 KBOct 30 10:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat (RHT) Hit a New 52-Week High Wednesday http://ur1.ca/27y77 addressing Red Hat's CEO's concern: http://ur1.ca/27y78Oct 30 10:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] RT @johnsu01 October issue of the Free Software Supporter has hit the pipes! !fsf !gnu !lpOct 30 11:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] RT @ovigia ♺ @fsf: How to make WebM videos and ensure that YouTube shows them as WebM: http://ur1.ca/27tej !playogg !fsfOct 30 11:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How to upload a video to YouTube and ensure it is viewable in WebM &mdash; Free Software Foundation &mdash; working together for free software .::. Size~: 28.8 KBOct 30 11:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] RT @diablomarcus ♻ @fsf VLC dev takes a stand against DRM in #AppStore -- http://fsf.org/sx-vlc001 -- VLC is !GPL. App Store contradicts ...Oct 30 11:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: VLC developer takes a stand against DRM enforcement in Apple's App Store &mdash; Free Software Foundation &mdash; working together for free software .::. Size~: 30.35 KBOct 30 11:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] RT @eight190 The pre-alpha of LibreWRT Bright Ben is now here...with sound! http://librewrt.org !librewrt !freedomincluded !fsf !gnuOct 30 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] RT @osamak Nice to see !libreplanet wiki using !Wikipedia's new Vector interface! http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Oct 30 11:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ES: Andalusia: 'Open source has helped save millions of Euro' http://ur1.ca/27d0h #spain !gnu !linux desktopOct 30 11:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] According to DoctorMo, Ubuntu is not Linux. #Fail #Tribalism http://is.gd/gtX1w via @schestowitzOct 30 11:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] RT @gnome GNOME Project received $15K from Mozilla + F123.org-Mais Diferenças partnership for a11y! http://bit.ly/9QSllEOct 30 11:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ES: Andalusia: 'Open source has helped save millions of Euro' &mdash;  .::. Size~: 29 KBOct 30 11:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Updated !GNU !Linux Distribution Timeline (just updated) http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/gldt1010.pngOct 30 11:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Fedora 14 Coming Soon http://ur1.ca/27yar "will be released on schedule on Tuesday, Nov. 2nd, which many of us know as "voting day".Oct 30 11:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Fedora 14 Coming Soon | MontanaLinux.org .::. Size~: 17.85 KBOct 30 11:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @schestowitz Updated !GNU !Linux Distribution Timeline (just updated) http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/gldt1010.pngOct 30 11:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @datacharmer My last day at Oracle. http://blogs.sun.com/datacharmer/entry/into_the_sunset #fb | Best wishesOct 30 11:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Into the sunset : The data charmer .::. Size~: 14.13 KBOct 30 11:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] For context/bg, #RedHat wrote over 90% of #gnomeshell and lots of !linux too. Android sort of forked their work, !ubuntu diverges. !unityOct 30 11:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Illegal HTML code injection by @StarHub http://harishpillay.wordpress.com/2010/10/30/starhubs-illegal-code-injection/ #fbOct 30 11:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: StarHubs illegal code injection « life one degree north, one-o-three degrees east .::. Size~: 57.17 KBOct 30 11:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer you are really suggesting @schestowitz should be sent to jail?A new low IMHO.Maybe add a smiley next time to indicate humour?Oct 30 11:24
schestowitz"Canonical should be careful not to 'Androidise' #Ubuntu by stepping too far off the mainline #gnu #linux desktop with (c). #divergence"Oct 30 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Last dent refers to @FauxPatents the #mobbyist - sometimes trolls like to paint me as a criminal. Wanted for.. promoting !FS . Serious crimeOct 30 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope I was quoting :-)Oct 30 11:27
_Goblinschestowitz: yeah...sorry afk....if you want to record sunday no probs...i'll be around from about 9am - 2pm.....if thats any good.Oct 30 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Sorry to anyone who contacted me this morning, Im off and on the PC..loads of jobs to do at home and work later...I'll try to catch up soon.Oct 30 11:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Desktop Linux, Where the Fun Begins http://ur1.ca/27yh7 "It is also where many people go to be productive." !gnu !linux #realworkOct 30 11:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Gnu !Linux Can Be Complicated … Or Not! http://ur1.ca/27yi2 "On the desktop, you can run over 300 distributions or varieties of Linux. "Oct 30 11:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My favorite !KDE Plasma desktop themes http://ur1.ca/27yjc "themes deal with anything from the menu panel to dialogs, widgets, etc."Oct 30 11:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Linux Experience: My favorite KDE Plasma desktop themes .::. Size~: 71.75 KBOct 30 11:37
schestowitz_Goblin: that's goodOct 30 11:38
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/57188980#notice-57703169 "no interest in porting proprietary softwares to !linux when we have already free alternatives to them"Oct 30 11:38
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schestowitz_Goblin: see?Oct 30 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] I'm personally waiting for a language that translates "electricity" to" bzz-ow!"Oct 30 11:39
schestowitzOther people who don't want the proprietary stuff all that muchOct 30 11:39
schestowitz"RT @schestowitz 10 popular Windows applications that should be ported to !Linux  http://is.gd/gtZ8l What a shit!! #i_reject "http://identi.ca/notice/57703305Oct 30 11:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 10 popular Windows applications that should be ported to Linux | Microsoft Windows | TechRepublic.com .::. Size~: 83.45 KBOct 30 11:39
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_Goblinschestowitz: yeah I had a quick look over that list.....some strange choices in it.Oct 30 11:39
_Goblinschestowitz: Corel Home Office?Oct 30 11:40
_Goblinschestowitz: I'll tell you two packages which should be brought over which are popular and fuel peoples creativity (from what ive seen)Oct 30 11:41
_Goblinschestowitz: Gamemaker (developed by an ex 360 employee) and Darkbasic - both are appealing to the hobbyist coder because they are accessable, powerful and very easy to use.Oct 30 11:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] he diaspora continues as Guiseppe Maxia, all-round good guy of MySQL, leaves Oracle: http://icio.us/rwi0ijOct 30 11:42
schestowitzWhat does that do?Oct 30 11:42
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schestowitzMake quests?Oct 30 11:42
schestowitzA friend of mine builds a quest game right now with a game makersOct 30 11:42
_Goblinschestowitz: Gamemaker is a scripted language that allows a wide range of games to be made...the title is misleading as its not restrictive and has a powerful basic type scripting language behind it....Oct 30 11:43
_Goblinschestowitz: its clever in that its not compiled and has a executable which when you create your work, your script gets embedded into....allowing standalone execution on machines that dont have GamemakerOct 30 11:44
schestowitz_Goblin: fedroa 14 out tuesdayOct 30 11:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @webmink he diaspora continues as Guiseppe Maxia, all-round good guy of MySQL, leaves Oracle... >as fast as Ellison's 3 ex wives escapedOct 30 11:45
schestowitzWe ought to cover that, at least in partOct 30 11:45
_Goblinschestowitz: yep...you can always tell when a major distro is about to release....its position in the distro watch charts rises.Oct 30 11:46
oiaohmAt least now when I look at those 10 application lists most of the list is not far away from what Linux can provide or will provide in the next 12Oct 30 11:46
_Goblinand Ive thought of a title for the show with Brandon in......Oct 30 11:46
_GoblinSince he's a Fedora ambassador....Oct 30 11:46
oiaohmReally darkbasic vs blenderOct 30 11:47
oiaohmdarkbasic loses.Oct 30 11:47
Diablo-D3a programming language no one uses, vs a 3D modeler?Oct 30 11:48
Diablo-D3how the fuck doe sthat work?Oct 30 11:48
oiaohmblender is also a game engine.  Diablo-D3Oct 30 11:48
Diablo-D3yeah, so?Oct 30 11:48
Diablo-D3compare darkbasic to python thenOct 30 11:48
oiaohmAnd darkbasic ships with a very basic 3d modeler.Oct 30 11:48
_GoblinI think DB was used for many things other than 3d gaming....ive seen quite a few diverse apps/proofs of concept with it.Oct 30 11:49
oiaohmBoth are complete kits Diablo-D3Oct 30 11:49
_GoblinI used to use DB to experiment with a few concepts....Oct 30 11:49
_GoblinI think actually it was quite good....and a great package to introduce new users to coding with...Oct 30 11:49
_Goblincertainly it had less of a learning curve than Python, allowed new users to make impressinve work in short time and I think thats important if you are retrain the new users interest in learning to code.Oct 30 11:50
_GoblinI think it was only two commands to put a 3d cube on the screen and rotate it.Oct 30 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] #Microsoft Tries to Prevent #Asus, #Acer from Using #Android, #ChromeOS: http://ur1.ca/27exgOct 30 11:52
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_Goblinalthough one could argue that little "real coding" was learnt and whilst a user could rotate a cube, they probably wouldn't understand how that was done.Oct 30 11:52
_Goblin*wasntOct 30 11:52
_Goblinthey knew HOW to do something but didn't know WHY it worked...Oct 30 11:52
oiaohmhttp://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Source/GameEngine/NodalLogic  Really for people starting out coding this would be good.Oct 30 11:53
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_GoblinRight im off on some choresOct 30 11:53
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/57188916#notice-57704349 "see the note at the end of the post. Says "linux" is a mix for debian, slack,..."Oct 30 12:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Java (JDK) Updater - Script To Update The Java (JDK) Paths After Manual Installation http://bit.ly/cRVWsgOct 30 12:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] There is an anti- !Linux blog (disguised as pro-Linux) at linuxpatents.blogspot.com active around same time as fosspatents.blogspot.comOct 30 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "If Microsoft continues to use its patents in the cooperative..." --Florian, #mobbyist sounds like @horaciog, also uses the PR word "choice"Oct 30 12:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Will Russia's Move to !GNU !Linux Prompt Microsoft to Repair Its Image? http://ur1.ca/27ywt Image!=deeds. Crisis of perception vs behaviourOct 30 12:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope you need the understand the context in which Microsoft & #mobbyists use the word "choice"; what they mean is non-free e.g. #RANDOct 30 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @brews: "#Google #Android is only ' #open ' if you're the phone company" http://ur1.ca/27yz2 > use http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ then :-)Oct 30 12:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Opinion: Google Android is only 'open' if you're the phone company  - CNN.com .::. Size~: 45.31 KBOct 30 12:29
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schestowitz"Yes, choice is evil and should be stamped out with freedom to conform. We ave always been at war with Eastasia." http://twitter.com/#!/Codepope/status/29174533662 "hy shouldn't someone be allowed to choose something that is non-free? There's no point to a prescribed, consensus "freedom"." http://twitter.com/#!/Codepope/status/29174855691Oct 30 12:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope the context in which "choice" as I referred to it comes up as spin is when Microsoft pushes #swpats and #rand , thus *excluding*Oct 30 12:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @glynmoody: #Diaspora October Update - http://bit.ly/bozEjk "getting better every day" #facebook #socialnws > validate licence+(c) as freeOct 30 12:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope to rephrase it, Microsoft sometimes uses the word "choice" to mean the very opposite, i.e. removing choiceOct 30 12:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope do you want an example within context? I can think of one from Yasmin in Microsoft Malaysia re OOXMLOct 30 12:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] RT @aurele @fauno on !parabola \o/ Virgil is born! i hope he will be a great !fsf hackerOct 30 12:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bruce Perens (2002): MS ‘Software Choice’ scheme a clever fraud http://ur1.ca/27z3z /cc @codepopeOct 30 12:44
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/Codepope/status/29175769751 "Choice, if you believe in absolutist freedom, means the ability to choose to exclude as well as include.Choice, if you believe in absolutist freedom, means the ability to choose to exclude as well as include."Oct 30 12:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope okay, but then we're down to semantics, a la !BSD free (freedom of action) vs !GPL free (preserving freedom). "Choice"~="open" #prOct 30 12:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @schestowitz There is an anti- !Linux blog (disguised as pro-Linux) at linuxpatents.blogspot.com active around same time as fosspaten ...Oct 30 12:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @ender2070 we probably record tomorrow for publishing a day before !Fedora 14 release. Can you join for a segment? !TechBytes /cc @openbytesOct 30 12:52
schestowitz"I just think that using language demonisation damages the entire debate. And for the record, I'm a BSD freedom kinda guy." http://twitter.com/#!/Codepope/status/29176120856Oct 30 12:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope I was not trying to daemonise BSD. For me, personally, the goal is to maximise sharing & attribution. Fast progress this way.Oct 30 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope I have been sharing code as long as I have been coding, since I was about 15 http://ur1.ca/27z72Oct 30 12:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz listened to the test episode. Interesting to hear the points come together, well done both of you. I also liked intro music.Oct 30 13:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Stopping for lunch at a service station.Oct 30 13:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2010-10-30: Into the sunset : The data charmer The diaspora continues as Guiseppe Maxia, all-round good... http://bit.ly/9SofdlOct 30 13:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @schestowitz: Bruce Perens (2002): MS ‘Software Choice’ scheme a clever fraud http://ur1.ca/27z3z !gnu !fsOct 30 13:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: MS ‘Software Choice’ scheme a clever fraud • The Register .::. Size~: 32.38 KBOct 30 13:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Connotea's problems sort of explained: http://blogs.nature.com/ianmulvany/ It's like they switched to #windows !science !bioOct 30 13:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] ♺ @jerezim: RT @wopot: @laquadrature danm good video http://www.laquadrature.net/fr/robocopyright-acta-video-frOct 30 13:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] BWI.....Oct 30 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxkernel/@linuxkernel] Linux kernel 2.6.36-git15 has been released - http://is.gd/eq2yj #linux #kernelOct 30 13:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] My views on Microsoft, Silverlight and HTML 5: http://wp.me/pH8ns-t5Oct 30 13:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope Like the words "rights" and "open", the word "choice" has been co-opted and used by those who oppose these notionsOct 30 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 29/10/2010: 'The Year of the !Linux Desktop' Again, #China Has Biggest Computer (Runs GNU/Linux), #Wine 1.3.6 http://ur1.ca/27zkuOct 30 13:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !KDE Plasma has a theme called "Vistar7" #Vista7Oct 30 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just tested 7 more KDE 4 themes. Ended up with "Ember" (retrievable from System Settings->Appearance->Style->Workspace).Oct 30 13:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera thanks. Appreciated!Oct 30 14:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @webmink I'm not sure that's quite it. Story is, they failed to spread Silver Lie, gave up, now spin with "we love Web stds" #pr #ie9 #w3cOct 30 14:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Hey Folks, is ANYONE USING UNICONVERTOR in LINUX ??? I can't make it. TIPS please!!!Oct 30 14:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Can't make it wor, I meanOct 30 14:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Can't make it work, I meanOct 30 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @lemenkov: It's time to bring some democracy to Redmond after Iraq and Afghanistan :) http://bit.ly/b3nZWO #marines #oracle #microsoftOct 30 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @FFII Someone made a far better version of that at http://is.gd/gudUH also adds revenue and #FTW/#FAIL to the pictureOct 30 14:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 10 popular Windows applications that should be ported to #Linux http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=3284 ProprietaryOct 30 14:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: #Fedora 14 Coming Soon http://ur1.ca/27yar "will be released on schedule on Tuesday, Nov. 2nd" .Oct 30 14:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @carlopiana: ♻ @datacharmer My last day at Oracle. http://blogs.sun.com/datacharmer/entry/into_the_sunset #fb | Best wishesOct 30 14:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @torswin: OK Fedora guys. Dad's laptop now runs Fedora 13. Please don't break it as we live 1150 km apart. I'm trusting your guys! :DOct 30 14:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: ♺ @glynmoody: #Diaspora October Update - http://bit.ly/bozEjk "getting better every day"Oct 30 14:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: Bruce Perens (2002): MS ‘Software Choice’ scheme a clever fraud http://ur1.ca/27z3zOct 30 14:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @pla1: !Android on your bathroom mirror http://2tu.us/2s59 http://2tu.us/2s5aOct 30 14:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @webatou: [TEST]Gnome-Shell : solution ultime pour votre netbook? !ubuntu http://tinyurl.com/337wvj6Oct 30 14:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer @FFII Someone made a far better version of that at http://is.gd/gudUH also adds revenue and #FTW/#FAIL to the pictureOct 30 14:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @rsandu ♺ @pla1: !Android on your bathroom mirror http://2tu.us/2s59 http://2tu.us/2s5aOct 30 14:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @Codepope ..I'm pointing out everyone spins words as its the nature of language and people. Take on the arguments, not the vocabulary.Oct 30 14:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] T 784/06 - "technical effect" reaches #bioinformatics - http://bit.ly/a7Hf4W the software patent rot begins to spread #swpatsOct 30 14:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Rare scaled mammal threatened by traditional medicine - http://bit.ly/aLV1bj "worn like a locket, as a talisman": peasantsOct 30 14:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] November is free software month in Ecuador [es] - http://bit.ly/91J5Jh we need more of these #freesw #ecuadorOct 30 14:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] Made it to DC!Oct 30 14:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody November is free software month in Ecuador [es] - http://bit.ly/91J5Jh we need more of these #freesw #ecuadorOct 30 14:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[geekybodhi/@geekybodhi] If I ever standup to do comedy, I'll do a whole routine on unsolicited email, and job offers. Life would be so dull without them.Oct 30 14:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Mixed Feelings Over The PSCNV Nouveau Driver Fork: Three days ago we passed along the latest information on the PS... http://bit.ly/diZZb0Oct 30 14:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Free can't make money in much the same way that capitalism doesn't apply to the provinces.Oct 30 15:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, of course it's !GPL enforcement, what else would it be? :) There were a lot of defendants, which is basically why it took so long.Oct 30 15:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @webmink My views on Microsoft, Silverlight and HTML 5: http://wp.me/pH8ns-t5Oct 30 15:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] #CiviCRM 3.3.alpha2 released: We just released #CiviCRM 3.3.alpha2 – it is now available for download.. http://bit.ly/caanqC #drupalOct 30 15:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Adoption of !Unity is the Most Significant Change Ever for !Ubuntu, Says Mark Shuttleworth http://goo.gl/sajbOct 30 15:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[geekybodhi/@geekybodhi] One part of the puzzle solved: http://ow.ly/31USP Now only if I had Open Source actors of Harrison Ford's calibre...Oct 30 15:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Been on the phone with @louisdedecker for 1h 30 minutes. Great talk on future #BeTrains & #iRail client development.Oct 30 15:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] Made it to the rally!Oct 30 15:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Canonical Probably to Put in Next !Ubuntu !GNU !Linux #Mono Parts Which #Microsoft Disallows Free of Lawsuits/Charge http://ur1.ca/280gbOct 30 15:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Commons Prosperity by Sharing - http://bit.ly/ckP76k free PDF; one of best intros to the #commons; see also - http://bit.ly/bXjwp7Oct 30 15:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @laurelrusswurm - what is your link on #nanowrimo ?Oct 30 15:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 13 Beautiful !Inkscape Tutorials for Creating Stunning Vector Graphics | Tech Drive-in http://ping.fm/CAPvhOct 30 15:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[geekybodhi/@geekybodhi] Just in case you've been living under a rock (or eating one) here's a nice writeup on @drvandanashiva and her work : http://ow.ly/31VpWOct 30 16:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: My new visiting card. http://twitpic.com/327614 http://bit.ly/aXXPO1Oct 30 16:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] In soviet Russia, chairs throw Balmer. http://ur1.ca/280ssOct 30 16:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] O.O http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/08/09/ms_software_choice_scheme/ did bruce perens just reference free software?Oct 30 16:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Is trying to convince his father to try ubuntu on his netbook. No result so far but we'll get there eventually ;-)Oct 30 16:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lubuntu/@lubuntu] Lubuntu Screencast: Abiword Wordprocessing http://tinyurl.com/29h8lqzOct 30 16:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @teirdes commercial piracy in mexico gives culture to millions+jobs to thousands says World Customs Organisation(!) http://ur1.ca/280znOct 30 16:47
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gnufreexBruce perens write for Register? That should be a good thing.Oct 30 16:48
gnufreexOh crapOct 30 16:49
gnufreexIt is 2002 article.Oct 30 16:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] quick correction to my previous dent, apparently perens is pro free software....Oct 30 16:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: Student Project idea = Create Beamer (latex) 2 html(S5 format) where formula/equation should be convert... http://bit.ly/aUWp05Oct 30 17:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @tuxdotking: "Freedom is a feature, not a bug, and those who insist on considering it a bug are not your friends." -Dana BlankehornOct 30 17:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @schestowitz: #Canonical Probably to Put in Next #Ubuntu GNULinux #Mono Parts Which #Microsoft Disallows Free of Lawsuits/$ ur1.ca/280gbOct 30 17:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Digg This A cautionary tale for Web 2.0 companies http://ur1.ca/281j8Oct 30 17:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @trashbird1240: ♺ @schestowitz: Bruce Perens (2002): MS ‘Software Choice’ scheme a clever fraud http://ur1.ca/27z3z !gnu !fsOct 30 17:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz You can find me on !NaNoWriMo at http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/user/543965 ... happy be writing buddies if u tell me yours :DOct 30 18:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Good to know. http://isitsaturday.net/ (via @psquid)Oct 30 18:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @laurelrusswurm just added you. mine is http://www.nanowrimo.org/eng/user/47354Oct 30 18:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @zyth #unnamed usb-hub mod !freerunner !openmoko -->> http://www.flickr.com/photos/zyth/sets/72157625147375903/Oct 30 18:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] I think I figured out what went wrong last time I used !pcbsd, apparently the default is the ati driver and I have an intel cardOct 30 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] New York Judge Rules 6-Year-Old Can Be Sued http://ur1.ca/281uxOct 30 18:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] why everyone should stop using ubuntu and switch to Fedora? "Presto reduced the update size by 83% (from 194 M to 33 M)"Oct 30 18:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] "And this is the only advice I can give: Don't make stuff for money because it will never make you enough money, don't make stuff to becomeOct 30 18:27
schestowitz"A near £5000 bathroom mirror? Crumbs you'd have to be a Larry, Steve or Bill to afford that... :)" http://twitter.com/Codepope/statuses/29182870239Oct 30 18:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] famous because you will never feel famous enough, make gifts for people and work hard on making those gifts in the hope that they will likeOct 30 18:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] and enjoy the gifts."~ Hank GreenOct 30 18:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope SteveB would smash the mirror and Larry accuse it of copying him line by line.Oct 30 18:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] sorry, john. I always get them mixed up.....Oct 30 18:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] آر تي @tuxdotking "Freedom is a feature, not a bug, and those who insist on considering it a bug are not your friends." -Dana Blankehorn ...Oct 30 18:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if we boycott all large corps over tax avoidance, would there be any not boycotted? http://bbc.in/bJXo6M #theyalldoitOct 30 18:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] TV Licensing responding in the usual sound bites amounting to "just pay us or be punished" http://bbc.in/c6Yxdu !extortionOct 30 18:49
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schestowitzgnufreex: The Onion is at it againOct 30 19:36
gnufreexwhat he did now?Oct 30 19:36
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schestowitz_logjwildeboer to Fauxpatents: you are really suggesting @schestowitz should be sent to jail?A new low IMHO.Maybe add a smiley next time to indicate humour?Oct 30 19:37
schestowitzHi, SternreiseOct 30 19:37
SternreiseDid you check up on "death" of silverlight today?Oct 30 19:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When Up is Down and Left is Right Bill Gates Fights Against the World’s Richest People http://ur1.ca/282ih #spin #pr #richlist #taxOct 30 19:37
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schestowitzSternreise: yes, I have a long post about it comingOct 30 19:37
Sternreiseor, well, yesterdayOct 30 19:37
Sternreiseok, goodOct 30 19:37
schestowitzProud to say techrights broke the news months agoOct 30 19:37
schestowitzAnd got ridiculed for itOct 30 19:37
Sternreisebetter investigate status of moonlight as well (are they going to proceed with the implementation, etc)Oct 30 19:38
schestowitzWe foresee things when it's controversial to say themOct 30 19:38
gnufreexschestowitz: Write post now and say " I told you so"Oct 30 19:38
schestowitzSternreise: indeedOct 30 19:38
Sternreisewell, I think balmer talked about it earlier as wellOct 30 19:38
schestowitzMiguel spoke about itOct 30 19:38
schestowitzHe wants it for the desktopOct 30 19:38
Sternreisehe did? in his blog?Oct 30 19:38
schestowitzHe also inherited IronP*Oct 30 19:38
schestowitz.NET projectsOct 30 19:38
Sternreisewell, ms dumping Iron* and drawing SL to their proprietary development alone tells something about Microsoft abandoning .net as "world domination" technology and focusing on keeping it as proprietary implementation techOct 30 19:39
SternreiseI guess it's good news for both MS and the rest of the world as wellOct 30 19:40
Sternreisei.e. MS can drive the technology according to their proprietary needs, instead of maintaining a pretense of being a "neutral" technologyOct 30 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] “I know that there are people who do not love their fellow man, and I hate people like that!” !qOct 30 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Stupid ass Banshee...it froze my computer! It does that when I have my MP3 player (which has a lot of songs on it) plugged into my computerOct 30 19:40
SternreiseI don't think Migual inherited ironpython thoughOct 30 19:41
Sternreisejust DLR, right?Oct 30 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mohanpram Stupid ass Banshee...it froze my computer! It does that when I have my MP3 player (which has a lot of songs on it) plugged in-Oct 30 19:42
schestowitzhe and others were named as symbolic experimentorsOct 30 19:42
Sternreiseargh, ironruby or iPhone... can't even begin to describe the amount of fail in thatOct 30 19:43
Sternreise(reading Miguel's blog)Oct 30 19:43
Sternreises/or/on/Oct 30 19:43
schestowitzMy Silver Lie draft is longOct 30 19:43
schestowitzI want to post shorter ones firstOct 30 19:43
SternreiseIt's no longer a Lie. It's a honest tech nowOct 30 19:43
schestowitzIn the mean time I copy and paste what you say hereOct 30 19:43
Sternreiselike MFCOct 30 19:43
schestowitzFor quoting in the postOct 30 19:43
Sternreisei.e. it doesn't pretend to be something it isn't (replacement for HTML)Oct 30 19:44
schestowitzSternreise: the Lie is cross platformOct 30 19:44
schestowitzFalse promisesOct 30 19:44
Sternreiseit's just a class lib for WP7 developmentOct 30 19:44
schestowitzAnd that's why I called it Silver LieOct 30 19:44
Sternreiseyeah, but MS outlived that lieOct 30 19:44
schestowitzLike Golden trueOct 30 19:44
schestowitzSilver ieOct 30 19:44
Sternreisethey got bored of it :)Oct 30 19:44
schestowitzSilver lieOct 30 19:44
gnufreexThere is new danger. They will not push H.264 into HTML spec.Oct 30 19:45
gnufreexThere is new danger. They will now push H.264 into HTML spec.Oct 30 19:45
gnufreex*nowOct 30 19:45
Sternreisewho will?Oct 30 19:45
SternreiseW3C?Oct 30 19:46
gnufreexMicrosoft... Apple...Oct 30 19:46
gnufreexMpeg LAOct 30 19:46
Sternreisewell, that's a small dangerOct 30 19:46
Sternreiseas in, who cares?Oct 30 19:46
schestowitz'Cause Hollywood loves to show ridiculous visions of "tech" on the assumption that people don't understand it[ ...] On the other hand it's nice that they think that !KDE was Techy enough but also pretty enough to have it stock in the film' http://identi.ca/conversation/57042621#notice-57720095Oct 30 19:46
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Sternreiseit's a temporary codec anyway. world will move onOct 30 19:46
gnufreexIf you need closed codecs to watch videos... I care.Oct 30 19:46
schestowitzgnufreex:  and elopOct 30 19:46
gnufreexYeah, Nokia is hijacked.Oct 30 19:46
Sternreisehow is Nokia hijacked?Oct 30 19:47
schestowitzNokia killed ogg in html5, with appleOct 30 19:47
schestowitzchairs in html wg is apple, ibm, msftOct 30 19:47
schestowitzIBM's Sam RUBY IIRCOct 30 19:47
schestowitz"no patents in the Web? Preposterous!!"Oct 30 19:47
gnufreexOnly IBM might have interest in WebMOct 30 19:47
SternreiseH264 is pretty harmless IMO. installing proprietary codecs for transition period if ~ 1 year is a petty issueOct 30 19:48
gnufreexof those three.Oct 30 19:48
gnufreexIt is not harmless, it can't come with free distros.Oct 30 19:48
gnufreexYou have to pay royalties.Oct 30 19:48
Sternreiseand truth be told, you can easily live without video on the web anyway. It's inane drivel for the most partsOct 30 19:48
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/patent-stooges.jpgOct 30 19:48
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schestowitzNokia coule be troubleOct 30 19:49
schestowitzI made this image before Elop evenOct 30 19:49
SternreiseElop only worked for Microsoft for one year, in their office divisionOct 30 19:49
schestowitz<gnufreex> You have to pay royalties.Oct 30 19:49
schestowitzDellbuntu already paysOct 30 19:49
gnufreexBefore that, he worked at Macromedia and adobeOct 30 19:49
gnufreexon flashOct 30 19:49
schestowitzSternreise: I think ~2 yearsOct 30 19:50
schestowitzAlso Adobe BGOct 30 19:50
schestowitzI.e. codecsOct 30 19:50
schestowitzMacromediaOct 30 19:50
schestowitzAdobe spoke about mpeg-la recentlyOct 30 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: Just give a good speed Internet and Linux to all kids in order to develop a nation. #nation #develop http://bit.ly/d4rTnCOct 30 19:50
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Sternreisempeg-la is doomed anywayOct 30 19:50
Sternreisethrough webmOct 30 19:50
schestowitzthey diversifiedOct 30 19:51
SternreiseI'd ignore the posseOct 30 19:51
schestowitzNow killing babies too :-)Oct 30 19:51
schestowitzThey moved to patenting life and such..Oct 30 19:51
schestowitzmpeg-la is still needed to play some desktop materialOct 30 19:51
schestowitzLegacy be it or not...........Oct 30 19:51
schestowitzAnd DVDOct 30 19:51
schestowitzBlu-Ray...Oct 30 19:52
schestowitzTV transmission...Oct 30 19:52
schestowitzAl very mpeg-lala landOct 30 19:52
schestowitz*AllOct 30 19:52
Sternreisewell, that's a screwup of blueray forum & friendsOct 30 19:52
Sternreisenothing is preventing data distribution via IP as nonencumbered format (webm)Oct 30 19:52
schestowitzThreats?Oct 30 19:53
schestowitzCollusion?Oct 30 19:53
schestowitzLockin also>>Oct 30 19:53
schestowitzbundling>>>Oct 30 19:53
SternreiseI guess "convenience" is the enemy of freedom here for a whileOct 30 19:54
Sternreisebut still, I give them a yearOct 30 19:54
Sternreiseat the pace things are moving nowOct 30 19:54
Sternreiseblue ray is a shrink wrap appliance technology, so you can forgive them for sticking to encumbered standardsOct 30 19:57
schestowitzSternreise: yupOct 30 19:59
schestowitzWait for the next two postOct 30 20:00
schestowitzWriting as I chat hereOct 30 20:00
schestowitzOne says MSFT might vanish in <5 yearsOct 30 20:00
schestowitzInformationWeekOct 30 20:00
SternreiseMSFT will not vanish in years to come. 90% of the corporate world is built on their backsOct 30 20:01
Sternreiseit might lose significance in consumer sector thoughOct 30 20:01
Sternreiseopen source is screwing up by not rushing to replace exchange/outlook asapOct 30 20:02
Sternreisethat's the final missing pieceOct 30 20:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Rio Ferdinand explains the 2nd goal :D http://twitter.com/rioferdy5/status/29208467531 !mufcOct 30 20:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Barbaresco is the best #wine, no contest.Oct 30 20:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] News from the !gentoo #PAM front: ⌨Oct 30 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] News from the !Gentoo #PAM front http://is.gd/guMPsOct 30 20:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Miserable Moves Again: Microsoft Tries to 'Embrace' The Winning Side (Free Software), Cannot Help Attacking Upon Failure http://ur1.ca/2833aOct 30 20:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] ♻ @danto there's a !gnu #linux version of #ryzom already available in http://ur1.ca/280hp Would be nice to try and support it #agpl #mmorpgOct 30 20:39
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schestowitz_log<Sternreise> MSFT will not vanish in years to come. 90% of the corporate world is built on their backsOct 30 20:40
schestowitzThe Madhatter put it wellOct 30 20:40
schestowitzThat's Wayne from our siteOct 30 20:40
schestowitzWayne explained that need does not ensure persistenceOct 30 20:40
schestowitzJust because a gazillion businesses DEPEND on WIndows won't ensure it stays, unless it's secure for Web use, maintainable, and profitable (margins fell sharply)Oct 30 20:41
SternreiseIt does a lot for the corporate world that is still running cobolOct 30 20:41
schestowitzSo to say "product X is used by many people, so X can't go away" is misguided from a purely corporare POVOct 30 20:41
schestowitz*rateOct 30 20:41
Sternreiseright, it's not about the amount of users... but the amount of deployed baseOct 30 20:42
schestowitz<Sternreise> open source is screwing up by not rushing to replace exchange/outlook asapOct 30 20:42
schestowitzThe replacements existOct 30 20:42
schestowitzThey just need more exposureOct 30 20:42
schestowitzVMB_ware took ZimbraOct 30 20:42
schestowitzSo it's owned by former MSFT execs nowOct 30 20:42
schestowitzAnd EMC owns VMB_wareOct 30 20:42
schestowitzEMC promotes Exchange ServerOct 30 20:42
SternreiseI don't think there is a drop-in replacement?Oct 30 20:42
Sternreisewhat's up with openexchange?Oct 30 20:43
schestowitzIt's doing OKOct 30 20:43
SternreiseI haven't seem much news from them latelyOct 30 20:43
schestowitzPress release a week agoOct 30 20:43
schestowitzCan't recall if just a new versionOct 30 20:43
schestowitzThey gain ground in their home country, I reckonOct 30 20:43
Sternreisedo we have open source implementation for activesync?Oct 30 20:43
schestowitzZimbra got many boxesOct 30 20:44
Sternreisethat should be doable... https, wbxmlOct 30 20:44
schestowitzThen MSFT went after Yahoo!Oct 30 20:44
schestowitzMicrohoo! gave Zimbra to MS MaritzOct 30 20:44
schestowitzFor a third of the cost it bought it forOct 30 20:44
Sternreisesounds like a good dealOct 30 20:44
schestowitz<Sternreise> do we have open source implementation for activesync?Oct 30 20:44
schestowitz<Sternreise> that should be doable... https, wbxmlOct 30 20:44
schestowitzWe mya lose sight of something hereOct 30 20:45
schestowitzI don't use E-mail much anymore and I know others who use it less tooOct 30 20:45
schestowitzGoogle tried WaveOct 30 20:45
Sternreisewell, in corporate world... email is everyhingOct 30 20:45
schestowitzI personally do a lot of comms via identicaOct 30 20:45
schestowitzLike hundreds of msgs per dayOct 30 20:45
schestowitzSo Exhange might be going for a diminishing marketOct 30 20:45
Sternreisecorporations run with email + powerpointsOct 30 20:45
schestowitzGOogle has its own calendaring synch tooOct 30 20:45
schestowitzSternreise: for how long?Oct 30 20:46
Sternreisefor foreseeable futureOct 30 20:46
schestowitzSee IB sameTimeOct 30 20:46
Sternreise5 years?Oct 30 20:46
schestowitzSee IBM sametimeOct 30 20:46
schestowitzCross platform tooOct 30 20:46
Sternreiseah, the old "lotus" IM chatOct 30 20:46
SternreiseI'm ashamed to say it, but after a long time with outlook I miss lotus notesOct 30 20:47
Sternreise(dunno if I could have run it in wine)Oct 30 20:47
schestowitzMaybe crossoverOct 30 20:47
schestowitzBetter tested anywayOct 30 20:47
Sternreisehm, crossover office MIGHT be able to run outlook betterOct 30 20:48
SternreiseI'll have to investigate itOct 30 20:48
schestowitzBut the idea is to move to s/w freedom, so Thunderbird and other such packagesOct 30 20:48
Sternreiseof course. I use thunderbird, but do think it sort of sucksOct 30 20:48
schestowitzAdd extensionsOct 30 20:48
schestowitzIt's better than outlook in my eyes, based on seeing others use outlookOct 30 20:49
Sternreisewe should have some industry behemoth like the current firefox people really work on emailOct 30 20:49
schestowitzE-mail changesOct 30 20:49
Sternreiseit's better than outlook, but worse than outlook with exchange serverOct 30 20:49
schestowitzMozilla dropped the ballOct 30 20:49
schestowitzIt named gmailOct 30 20:49
schestowitzWeb basedOct 30 20:49
Sternreiseyeah. all we need is to convince corps to use gmail :-(Oct 30 20:49
schestowitzSee the wrangler's post about it...Oct 30 20:49
schestowitz2008ishOct 30 20:50
Sternreiseexchange has intentionally sabotaged webmail implementationOct 30 20:50
schestowitzCorps can stop using E-mailsOct 30 20:50
Sternreisethey won't, trust meOct 30 20:50
schestowitzThey can achieve comms in other formsOct 30 20:50
schestowitzThey willOct 30 20:50
schestowitzWhen the old generation diesOct 30 20:50
schestowitzOr senior CIOs retireOct 30 20:51
Sternreisethe 24 year olds are running on email as wellOct 30 20:51
Sternreisethere is no replacement so farOct 30 20:51
schestowitzThat's how old technology goes awayOct 30 20:51
Sternreisewave diedOct 30 20:51
schestowitz<Sternreise> the 24 year olds are running on email as wellOct 30 20:51
schestowitzMany use Dacek00kOct 30 20:51
schestowitz*FaOct 30 20:51
hazzyPeople where I work use Lotus NotesOct 30 20:51
Sternreisefacebook is for women's freetime chatterOct 30 20:52
Sternreisenot for getting work doneOct 30 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is schestowitz with 119 dents!Oct 30 20:52
schestowitzyayOct 30 20:52
schestowitzThird day in a rowOct 30 20:52
Sternreisehazzy: cherish the lotus notes. Howewer much you hate it, it's better than outlook :)Oct 30 20:53
hazzyI don't use it; I don't use a computer at my jobOct 30 20:53
Sternreisehazzy: there are still jobs where you don't sit at computer for 10 hours / day? :)Oct 30 20:54
hazzyLolOct 30 20:54
hazzyYea, I work in manufacturingOct 30 20:54
SternreiseI thought even welders work with pc's now, clicking the parameters on the machine...Oct 30 20:54
hazzyWell, mine involves refilling parts for the workers on the lineOct 30 20:56
Sternreiseok, so basically an elaborate form of drag & drop thenOct 30 20:57
hazzyLolOct 30 20:57
hazzySure, sureOct 30 20:57
Sternreisebut really, back to emailOct 30 20:58
Sternreisethat's a problem we need to solveOct 30 20:58
Sternreisedo a killer email client, and you own the businessOct 30 20:58
Sternreise"chandler" was an attempt, but an aborted oneOct 30 20:58
Sternreisethunderbird and evolution are both pretty bad. evo is buggy and slow, tbird is buggyOct 30 21:00
Sternreiseand of course we have the lunatic fringe that still thinks "mutt" is an answer to the questionOct 30 21:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Workspace representation in !Unity (mockup) http://goo.gl/Y038Oct 30 21:00
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Sternreisethunderbird should get more resourcing from the mozilla crew, and do a superb email clientOct 30 21:01
Sternreisetechrightsbot should do a url traversal to skip the goo.gl analyticsOct 30 21:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.35.8-libre2, 2.6.32.25-libre1 and 2.6.27.55-libre4 mipsel .deb binaries for !gnewsense for !yeeloong now availableOct 30 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] InformationWeek Global CIO on #Microsoft Possibly Vanishing Within Less Than Five Years foreseeing the end of Microsoft http://ur1.ca/283gzOct 30 21:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Dave Morley's thoughts on !Unity http://goo.gl/djbJOct 30 21:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I hate when people use a huge list of tags for a whole bunch of photos on FlickrOct 30 21:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Incidentally, an Edinburgh interconnect issue caused this break in the rantingOct 30 21:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @seeds ha, no arguments there!Oct 30 21:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] ♻ @lxoliva !linuxlibre 2.6.35.8-libre2, 2.6.32.25-libre1 2.6.27.55-libre4 mipsel .deb binaries for !gnewsense for !yeeloong now availableOct 30 21:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @creativecommons Baldy - A Bahamian Shaggy Dog Story http://baldynovel.blogspot.com/ is about to start. cc #BY-SA license. songs too phaps.Oct 30 21:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @robmyers well sure because they are not the capital duh!Oct 30 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] “Apple sues Motorola over multitouch on its Android smartphones”: http://bit.ly/d7XhlYOct 30 21:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Happy Halloween / Feliz Halloween http://ur1.ca/283xhOct 30 22:24
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Sternreises/Neuristics/Heuristicts/ for that apple patentOct 30 22:24
Sternreisethe patent is here: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7479949.htmlOct 30 22:24
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Sternreiseyet again it's trivial bullshitOct 30 22:25
schestowitzTo hell with SteveOct 30 22:25
schestowitzAll 3 of themOct 30 22:25
SternreiseI figure this is the stuff that motorola is supposed to invalidateOct 30 22:25
Sternreiseit's one of those "using 2 fingers to touch stuff" patentsOct 30 22:26
SternreiseApple people are pure geniusesOct 30 22:26
Sternreiseno mortal man would have come up with that stuffOct 30 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] "Share the knowledge" is increasingly mainstream. If you think about it, it's just natural. All-protected is extremely artificial (& doomed)Oct 30 22:27
Sternreisebasically, that patent is about flicking / kinetic "finger" scrollingOct 30 22:28
Sternreiseas in, you would do if you were to move paper on a table with your fingerOct 30 22:28
SternreiseI should have patented "replicating laws of physics on a computer"Oct 30 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] from the random-second-thought series: is Android a GNU+Linux-GNU operating system?Oct 30 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Happy Halloween / Feliz Halloween http://ur1.ca/283ynOct 30 22:29
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Sternreisewell, Android is Linux only in the banal sense of the wordOct 30 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Silver Lie is Virtually Dead. Is Moon Lie Dead Too? http://ur1.ca/283za #mono #moonlight #novell !gnu !linux #xaml #wpfOct 30 22:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] Introduction to CiviCRM Video by Stoob (a long time #civicrm community member): http://bit.ly/cMApVu , youtube link: http://bit.ly/cMApVuOct 30 22:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Corporations cannot use software any more than they can go on a date, so it's a category error to say they should be prevented from doing soOct 30 22:44
schestowitz<Sternreise> I should have patented "replicating laws of physics on a computer"Oct 30 22:46
schestowitz"on the computer" is the noveltyOct 30 22:46
schestowitzLike the infamous "over the Internet" patentsOct 30 22:46
schestowitz<Sternreise> well, Android is Linux only in the banal sense of the wordOct 30 22:46
schestowitzIt's the closest we have so far to Linux domination in so-called "consumer" marketOct 30 22:47
Sternreiseyeah schestowitz, we should do way better than that. Android is success story for "Java in consumer market" which is not all that rareOct 30 22:49
Sternreisewe've had J2ME games around for agesOct 30 22:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] [citation needed]? Just quote *me*! ;-) - https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Copyleft#cite_note-17Oct 30 22:50
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SternreiseTivo is a success of linux in consumer spaceOct 30 22:51
Sternreiseand perhaps even more linux than android? in case it used x11... at least Palm WebOS was a real LinuxOct 30 22:51
SternreiseI bet the real success for Linux will come from Splashtop & friendsOct 30 22:53
schestowitzMeeGo arrives in h1Oct 30 22:53
schestowitz[2011]Oct 30 22:53
Sternreisewhere you have small linux system as "fast boot" alternative to full windows systemOct 30 22:53
schestowitz1.1 is out, but not 'baked' on devices just yetOct 30 22:53
schestowitzMaybe except some tabletOct 30 22:53
schestowitzWeTabOct 30 22:53
Sternreiseyeah, MeeGo still needs some time to come out on phones. And meego on netbooks needs to be "productized" as wellOct 30 22:54
Sternreisebut on *desktop computers*, I expect fast boot systems to "make" linuxOct 30 22:55
Sternreisemany will just stay in the fast boot system, to avoid the slow and virus-scanner-encumbered full windows systemOct 30 22:56
Sternreisethey are just revving those systems up within 1 year period. in 2 years, they will be mature and ubiquitousOct 30 22:57
Sternreisethey will also offer a way for laptop makers to create differentiating value for their offeringOct 30 22:57
Sternreiseand charge more ;-)Oct 30 22:58
schestowitzMeeGo is promisingOct 30 22:58
schestowitzBut Nokia is worryingOct 30 22:58
schestowitzThankfully VIsta Phony 7 is too bad for Nokia to testOct 30 22:59
schestowitzEven Elop is not that tasteless and tactlessOct 30 22:59
SternreiseNokia is entirely invested in Qt + MeeGo. Don't worry about thatOct 30 22:59
Sternreiseit's easy to make android / wp7 phones, it just wouldn't make sense for nokia. It's more of a cheapo manufacturer thing (htc, acer, huawei...)Oct 30 23:01
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SternreiseNokia is also dumping stuff to open source on daily basis, so even if elop went insane and went for wp7/android, employees could find a new company and just pick up the source code where it leftOct 30 23:02
Sternreisein the meantime... ubuntu might be screwing up with unityOct 30 23:05
Sternreiseor perhaps it will be much better on next ver. on 10.10 it sucksOct 30 23:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Scotland would be worth a lot of money on eBay, probably about 41p #HIGNFYOct 30 23:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apple is Suing !Linux Again, Increasingly Resembling #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/284a2 Droid X sued #swpats !androidOct 30 23:09
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Sternreiseschestowitz: it might help to enumerate the Apple patents as well, to show how stupid they areOct 30 23:13
Sternreise"software patent" is not enough as such, as there are sensible software patents as well (like multimedia encoding ones)Oct 30 23:13
Sternreisebut Apple "multitouch" patents are pretty trivial drivelOct 30 23:14
Sternreisehttp://www.freepatentsonline.com/6493002.htmlOct 30 23:15
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Sternreise"Typically, a computer system contains a processor, a bus, and other peripheral devices. The processor is responsible for executing instructions using the data in the computer system. "Oct 30 23:16
Sternreiseargh. no doubt they can make this documents long as hellOct 30 23:16
Sternreise"human being is a bipedal mammal with limited hair growth. human beings often use a 'computer' to do things"Oct 30 23:17
schestowitz"That's odd, I distinctly recall Motorola suing Apple first... or maybe you don't think thats worth mentioning?" http://twitter.com/#!/Codepope/status/29221461414Oct 30 23:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope Nokia also sued Apple first, but later I was told that Nokia was about to be sued by Apple, so it took the first strikeOct 30 23:20
schestowitz<Sternreise> in the meantime... ubuntu might be screwing up with unityOct 30 23:21
schestowitzIf they drive some users away to other distro it may actually help desktop LinuxOct 30 23:21
SternreiseI don't think people will move to other distros. they will just boot to classic gnome desktopOct 30 23:22
Sternreiseunity might be ok once they fix it for next releaseOct 30 23:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Happy Halloween / Feliz Halloween http://ur1.ca/284drOct 30 23:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz #Apple is Suing !Linux Again, Increasingly Resembling #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/284a2 Droid X sued #swpats !androidOct 30 23:25
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Sternreisehuh? does apple really own patent for multitouch screen? http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=7,663,607Oct 30 23:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Who do I have to pay to get those avatars removed?Oct 30 23:27
schestowitzSternreise: it's just a titleOct 30 23:28
schestowitz"A touch panel having a transparent capacitive sensing medium configured to detect multiple touches or near touches that occur at the same time and at distinct locations in the plane of the touch panel and to produce distinct signals representative of the location of the touches on the plane of the touch panel for each of the multiple touches is disclosed. "Oct 30 23:28
schestowitzFiled:  May 6, 2004Oct 30 23:29
schestowitzNobody knew what multitouch screen was back then? :-)Oct 30 23:29
Sternreisehell, even my Lenovo is violating that patentOct 30 23:31
Sternreiseif that is indeed validOct 30 23:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When Life of a Patent is the Death of a Person http://ur1.ca/284h1 #patent #acta #trip #monopoly #india #brazilOct 30 23:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Two_Concepts_of_Liberty #libertyOct 30 23:35
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schestowitzYou could be violating it with your girlfriendOct 30 23:35
Sternreisea capacitive girlfriend, perhapsOct 30 23:36
schestowitzIn Saudi Arabia they get an injunction against your entire armOct 30 23:37
Sternreiseimagine if apple had patented a mouse back thenOct 30 23:37
Sternreiseand just refused anyone to manufacture themOct 30 23:37
schestowitzOr only with a feeOct 30 23:37
schestowitzBut that's the Logitech guyOct 30 23:37
schestowitzBefore AppleOct 30 23:37
Sternreisewell, fee would be okay. but apple doesn't license these patents. they just use them to stiffle competitorsOct 30 23:38
schestowitzThey could patent removing buttons from miceOct 30 23:38
schestowitz_logSternreise: well, it's a religionOct 30 23:38
schestowitz"No God before me.."Oct 30 23:38
schestowitzoops. Wrong windowOct 30 23:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] New blog post: Paying For Teh Frees... - http://robmyers.org/weblog/2010/10/paying-for-teh-frees-hows-that-working-out.htmlOct 30 23:45
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schestowitzhttp://www.fool.com/investing/high-growth/2010/10/30/are-red-hats-earnings-worse-than-they-look.aspxOct 30 23:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @schestowitz #Apple is Suing !Linux Again, Increasingly Resembling #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/284a2 Droid X sued #swpats !androidOct 30 23:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] On my travels today, I saw two LMS Stanier Class 5s, ~5 Bullfinches and ~10 WaxwingsOct 30 23:54
schestowitzhttp://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2272474/analysts-ponder-microsoft-movesOct 30 23:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Okay I was able to generate support lables with QR-codes to identify computers… now it's a matter of writing an infrastructure to use themOct 30 23:55
schestowitzHi, schestowitz_logOct 30 23:55
schestowitzAny relation to the distro?Oct 30 23:55
schestowitzoopsOct 30 23:56
schestowitzHi, samlinuxOct 30 23:56
schestowitzautocomplete oopsOct 30 23:56
samlinuxhi dr schestowitzOct 30 23:59
samlinuxi just wanted to make a point about silverlightOct 30 23:59

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