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twitterAh yes.  gtk record my desktop would be good for tutorials.  If you turn on microphone recording in your mixer and use something like luvcview for a thumbnail of yourself, you get a nice video.  Nov 22 04:27
twitterI prefer the 1-2-3 screenshot and text tutorial, but video is good for demonstrating how well a graphical program works.Nov 22 04:28
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/58477325#notice-59041790 "I am in the same position you are right now with !kde."Nov 22 06:07
TechrightsBotTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.16 KBNov 22 06:07
twitterPJ smells Microsoft sabotage of the LSE move from .NET to gnu/linux, "PJ: Is there a hint in this story that someone deliberately tried to undermine the switch from Microsoft .Net to Linux?" in her news pick item pointing to http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/open-source/3249268/london-stock-exchange-hires-81-c-developers-for-delayed-linux-syNov 22 06:22
TechrightsBotTitle: London Stock Exchange hires 81 C++ developers for delayed Linux system - ComputerworldUK.com .::. Size~: 80.35 KBNov 22 06:22
twitterThere has been some interesting pushback against "Waiting for superman".  http://www.alternet.org/media/148863/strong_new_films_go_after_the_much_hyped_"waiting_for_superman"_and_its_simplistic_educational_analysis?page=entireNov 22 06:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Strong New Films Go After the Much Hyped "Waiting For Superman" and Its Simplistic Educational Analysis | Media and Culture | AlterNet .::. Size~: 105.68 KBNov 22 06:23
twitterSadly, the author does not make the Gates connection.Nov 22 06:23
twitterI was unable to find an email addressNov 22 06:24
oiaohmtwitter: funny enough the Linux systems responce time lead to the network hardware in the building getting overloaded.Nov 22 06:25
oiaohmThe also not covering the fact a lot of coders were taken on to deploy and customise the .net system.Nov 22 06:27
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/#!/eric_andersen/status/6573636974546944 "thanks for the RT, Dr. Schestowitz!! Are you a Star Wars fan as well?" WOT, me?Nov 22 06:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Twitter .::. Size~: 41.78 KBNov 22 06:27
schestowitzoiaohm: 81 c++ devs hiredNov 22 06:28
oiaohmWorking on what is the question.Nov 22 06:28
oiaohmMore back end stuff is CNov 22 06:28
schestowitzYeahNov 22 06:28
oiaohmMore/mostNov 22 06:29
oiaohmC++ coders are normally front end interface developer.Nov 22 06:29
twitterwe shall seeNov 22 06:29
oiaohmMost likely all the .net front end stuff is dead as door nail against the high speed Linux server.Nov 22 06:30
twitterPJ also notes several threats that Facebook messages poses.  Spam and cracking top the list http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9196828/Hackers_spammers_will_target_Facebook_Messages_say_expertsNov 22 06:31
TechrightsBotTitle: Hackers, spammers will target Facebook Messages, say experts - Computerworld .::. Size~: 85.29 KBNov 22 06:31
twitterEmail that encourages M$ Office, oh my.Nov 22 06:31
oiaohmWith Facebook secuirty trace record it going to be bad.Nov 22 06:31
oiaohmQuestion is how bad.Nov 22 06:32
twitterIt is hard to get worse than half of all Windows computers being infected but Microsoft is so innovative that anything is possible. Nov 22 06:32
oiaohmThere is worse.Nov 22 06:33
twitterWhat's worse than Microsoft?Nov 22 06:34
twitterMore Microsoft!Nov 22 06:34
oiaohmOnly half of Windows machine infected.Nov 22 06:34
oiaohmIt could be all.Nov 22 06:34
oiaohmSpam problems have been got almost under control.Nov 22 06:34
oiaohmfacebook could end up on every blacklist if they are not careful.Nov 22 06:35
twitterI imagine they all are.  Practically, there is not difference.Nov 22 06:35
oiaohmAnd I do mean every.Nov 22 06:35
oiaohmI have had people get upset with me locking off facebook access from work.Nov 22 06:35
oiaohmDue to the infection rates from there.Nov 22 06:35
twitterPutting sensitive data on a Windows computer is like playing Russian roulette with a two chamber pistol.  Nov 22 06:35
oiaohmNoNov 22 06:36
oiaohmIts more like Russian Roulette with a automatic pistolNov 22 06:36
twitterEven if it is only 50%, no reasonable person will trust it.Nov 22 06:36
oiaohmIts not 50%Nov 22 06:36
oiaohmIt whenNov 22 06:36
twitterI agree, it's more like 95%Nov 22 06:36
twitterbut I don't have a way to prove it.Nov 22 06:36
oiaohmEven computers I have secured have got infected eventionally.Nov 22 06:37
oiaohmOnly computers I have that have not got infected with windows are the ones where people obey my strict rules 100 percent.Nov 22 06:37
oiaohmbut I still class them as only time.Nov 22 06:37
oiaohmSince humans sooner or latter make errors.Nov 22 06:37
twitterWalt Mossberg tries to hype Windows Phoney 7.  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/14/BUHV1G9H80.DTL&ao=2Nov 22 06:39
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft future brightens - still challenging | Page 2 of 2 .::. Size~: 112.58 KBNov 22 06:39
twitterIt's amazing that when Microsoft has low market share, they are described as a promising competitor while gnu/linux is described as a failure.Nov 22 06:40
twitterIt is also amazing how Microsoft boosters can overlook technical flaws that make things unusable.  Nov 22 06:41
twitterThe Wall Street Journal needs to hire someone who knows what they are talking about.  Mossberg is an idiot.Nov 22 06:42
oiaohmWhat are they going to say when MS gets pushed to sixth location.Nov 22 06:42
oiaohmReally meego and android is a very good plan.Nov 22 06:42
twitterthey will say "zuuuuunnnnne!"Nov 22 06:43
oiaohmIf they can get to 1 and 2 you have to remember 1 and 2 get about 80 percent of the press coverage.Nov 22 06:43
twitterthey have nothingNov 22 06:43
twitterbut buy lots of pressNov 22 06:43
oiaohmWindows mobile 7 should have been delayed 12 months.Nov 22 06:43
oiaohmTo finish of lot of key features.Nov 22 06:43
oiaohmLike working cut and paste.Nov 22 06:43
oiaohmGoing head to head with android with a half working product was stupid.Nov 22 06:44
schestowitz[06:39] <twitter> Walt Mossberg tries to hype Windows Phoney 7.  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/14/BUHV1G9H80.DTL&ao=2Nov 22 06:44
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft future brightens - still challenging | Page 2 of 2 .::. Size~: 112.98 KBNov 22 06:44
schestowitzGoat speaks to sheep who read Murdch's tabloidsNov 22 06:44
oiaohmThe zdnet one saying that ipad had nicked chrimsas from android was a nice laugh.Nov 22 06:45
schestowitzoiaohm: it can't go up against MeeGO evenNov 22 06:45
oiaohmYes meego is more functional than Windows mobile 7Nov 22 06:46
oiaohmand the open source world currently don't call it ready for major release.Nov 22 06:46
oiaohmBasically I feel like doing a post Wake up Microsoft the World has change.   Trash software does not cut it any more.Nov 22 06:47
twitterHere's Microsoft promising zero change.  http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/11/ballmer-and-gates-heres-why-were.htmlNov 22 06:48
TechrightsBotTitle: Ballmer and Gates: Here's why we're not breaking up Microsoft .::. Size~: 56.11 KBNov 22 06:48
oiaohmhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODgxMg  Wayland developers are determined.  schestowitzNov 22 06:48
TechrightsBotTitle: [Phoronix] No KMS? No Mesa? Run Wayland Off A Linux Framebuffer! .::. Size~: 19.03 KBNov 22 06:48
twitterA shareholder complained about performance and asked why the company would not split up.Nov 22 06:49
twitterBalmer basically admitted that lockin was something that had to be universal for any of their second rate tech to survive and pointed to gnu/linux on servers as a big threat.Nov 22 06:49
twitter"The operating systems that are popular on clients also tend to be popular on servers. They’re all based around Linux technology. We happen to build our server business on Windows technology. It creates dis-synergy in fact to split our server and enterprise business from our client business."Nov 22 06:50
twitterYet they keep killing products.Nov 22 06:51
oiaohmAt this stage MS does not have a life boat out.Nov 22 06:52
oiaohmIf they split the client and server you can basically bet fairly quickly the server side would die.Nov 22 06:52
oiaohmReason MS server software is massivelly over priced for what you get.Nov 22 06:52
twitterThe continued survival of either is a mystery to me.Nov 22 06:53
oiaohmAnd once the server side dies lot of the incompadiblity to Linux clients would die as well.Nov 22 06:53
oiaohmSo you could bet to see the desktop side take a hit as well.Nov 22 06:53
oiaohmNow the question is how long before the Linux servers can hit the server side anyhow.Nov 22 06:54
oiaohmThen starting MS death spiral.Nov 22 06:54
twitterI'd say they are both already taking a beating.  You can bet your bottom dollar that Exchange won't work well with Android.  Nov 22 06:54
oiaohmtwitter: that the thing.Nov 22 06:55
twitterThat won't turn people off Android, it will turn them off Exchange, which sucks anyway. Nov 22 06:55
oiaohmYou would say Exchange is one of MS major keystones right?  twitterNov 22 06:55
schestowitz[06:51] <twitter> Yet they keep killing products.Nov 22 06:55
schestowitzIt's a dying companyNov 22 06:55
schestowitzI don't read much news about them anymore, years from now it'll be seen as a waste of time, they'll be like today's NOVLNov 22 06:56
oiaohmhttp://www.openchange.org/  Did you see the SoGo prototype here.  twitterNov 22 06:56
schestowitzWe need to start worrying about Fog Computing and DRM, e.g. AppleNov 22 06:56
schestowitzoiaohm: kolab tooNov 22 06:57
twitterNetwork freedom is a long term concern of mine.Nov 22 06:57
schestowitzGreve's groupNov 22 06:57
schestowitztwitter: that tooNov 22 06:57
oiaohmThe clock is basically ticking on MS twitterNov 22 06:57
schestowitzBut not just a software issueNov 22 06:57
schestowitzALso mediaNov 22 06:57
oiaohmUnless ms can come up with some supper server product there lockin could just die.Nov 22 06:58
oiaohmThen we will get to watch the house of cards fall.Nov 22 06:58
twitterThe other garbage does not matter if people can run free software on free networks.  Non free software vendors and big publishers won't survive freedom.Nov 22 06:58
oiaohmnetflix complaining about android  twitterNov 22 06:58
oiaohmFor example.Nov 22 06:58
oiaohmThey are feeling the pinch.Nov 22 06:58
twitterThat's sad, I like their DVD serviceNov 22 06:59
oiaohmnetflix has been very resistant on streaming to Linux.Nov 22 06:59
oiaohmReally netflix has not learnt the best trick to stop pirates.Nov 22 07:00
twitterThe Russian Navy?Nov 22 07:00
oiaohmWatermark the person credit card information then let slip a few months after pirates has a field day how to get the credit card information.Nov 22 07:01
oiaohmIt was only data.Nov 22 07:01
twitterWhat does this have to do with murder on the high seas?Nov 22 07:01
oiaohmReally I don't use the same define as you.Nov 22 07:02
oiaohmMoney these days is mostly 0 and 1 somewhere.Nov 22 07:03
twitterCongratulations to Simply Mepis for eight years of good work.Nov 22 07:04
oiaohmLike today breaking into a bank to steal money notes or gold would be highly risky.Nov 22 07:04
oiaohmBreak into the electronic side you can steal just as much.Nov 22 07:05
twitterI'm not too happy with 8.5 right now.  I tried it out recently as a quick and dirty non-free laced system.  It worked fine as it was, but I was unable to install kde education packages.Nov 22 07:05
twitterThat leaves my 9 year old girl stuck with Xandros.  She likes her flash games, so her computer is still a toy.Nov 22 07:06
twitterI'd like to get her another machine to split the tasks.  She's old enough for serious communications and kid stuff is really nasty about privacy violations.Nov 22 07:08
oiaohmDid you see the one about iphones with built in reprogramable sim card.  twitterNov 22 07:08
oiaohmNow is that not a ask for trouble I don't know what is.Nov 22 07:08
twitterI have no use for iPhone.Nov 22 07:08
twitterit's basically a PDA Nov 22 07:08
oiaohmThe idea of a removable sim card is that if it stuffs up it simple to replaceNov 22 07:09
oiaohmsecond thing is being rom it least likely to stuff up.Nov 22 07:09
MinceRit's not even a PDANov 22 07:09
MinceRPDAs let you install your stuff on them.Nov 22 07:09
oiaohmIts like as if apple is planing to make sure the iPhone dies.Nov 22 07:09
oiaohmI call androids unlocked PDA's.Nov 22 07:09
twitterOK, a not so great PDANov 22 07:09
twitterMost Androids have to be jail broken, so I'm not interested in those either. Nov 22 07:10
oiaohmThere are a lot here under 200 dollars that don't need jail breaking.Nov 22 07:11
oiaohmSome makers at the moment using that as something over the others to make there products sell.Nov 22 07:12
oiaohmCompetition is sometimes a fun thing to watch.Nov 22 07:12
MinceRhow does the buyer know before buying?Nov 22 07:12
twitterI treat all phones like the user hostile spies they are.  If I can't swap out 100% of the software with free software of my choosing, I don't trust it with anything.Nov 22 07:12
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oiaohmMinceR:  Developer editionNov 22 07:12
twitterWhen an Android phone is recommended by the FSF hardware program, I'll reconsider.Nov 22 07:13
oiaohmYes serousally android phone with feature developer edition is basically jail broken out box.Nov 22 07:13
MinceR"hand over all your personal data to google before you get to buy" edition, like the developer version of the G1?Nov 22 07:13
oiaohmNo other makers are shipping developer versions.Nov 22 07:13
MinceRicNov 22 07:13
MinceRwell, i'm sure those won't appear here in absurdistanNov 22 07:14
oiaohmI have seen them in some mobile shopsNov 22 07:14
oiaohmThe number of non plan phones is also rising here.Nov 22 07:14
oiaohmunlocked and developer edition is a nice combination.Nov 22 07:14
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oiaohmReally I wonder how long before all phones not on plans are developer editions.Nov 22 07:15
oiaohmOk so you would buy a nokia Linux mobile phone then if it was in your price range.  twitterNov 22 07:16
oiaohmN series.  I can still remember nokia inviting other Linux distributions to release on them.Nov 22 07:17
oiaohmhttp://digitizor.com/2010/11/22/mozilla-app-store/Nov 22 07:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Mozilla Plans A Mobile Device Independent App Store .::. Size~: 46.4 KBNov 22 07:23
oiaohmThis is just getting stranger.Nov 22 07:23
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twitterI'll buy any cell phone I can wipe and reload from the Debian repository. Nov 22 07:26
twitterUS telcos won't let that happen, ever.Nov 22 07:26
twitterWhen my current Nokia dumb phone finally dies, I'll probably replace it with an Android device but I'll treat it the same way.Nov 22 07:27
twitterI won't trust it at all.  Nov 22 07:28
twitterIt won't ever be synced with my contact info, my calendar or anything else of importance. Nov 22 07:28
twitterI might play games with it, but I'm not a big game player.Nov 22 07:29
twitterI don't do Facebook or Twitter and I don't see cell phones as useful for RSS feed reading.Nov 22 07:30
twitterthe only attraction Android or any other cell phone has to me is on the move chatting via google, google voice, maps and search when I'm traveling.Nov 22 07:31
twitterBing is worse than useless for that, so I have zero interest in any Droid stuffed with it.Nov 22 07:32
twitterIf the device is not free, I won't do email on it.  Nov 22 07:33
twitterencryption on a non free device is just a good way to share your passwords and keys with strangersNov 22 07:34
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/stsab.jpgNov 22 19:05
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MinceRoops, wrong channelNov 22 19:05
schestowitzHeheNov 22 19:06
schestowitzI made a joke like this last nightNov 22 19:06
schestowitz"laxatives and enema" I saidNov 22 19:07
MinceR:)Nov 22 19:10
MinceRthis one is from before TSA even existed, though :>Nov 22 19:10
MinceRor so they sayNov 22 19:11
schestowitzI see... it does look ancientNov 22 19:11
schestowitzHuh? http://twitter.com/tomaszkubacki/statuses/6786231732011008 "OMG brave and brilliant Dr Roy is going to explode http://is.gd/hBlAI"Nov 22 19:37
TechrightsBotTitle: Twitter / tomasz kubacki: OMG brave and brilliant Dr ... .::. Size~: 9.32 KBNov 22 19:37
TechrightsBotTitle: Dr. Roy Schestowitz | Techrights .::. Size~: 220.22 KBNov 22 19:37
schestowitz"Looks like Roy Schestowitz was right all along http://is.gd/hBcPZ" http://twitter.com/motters/statuses/6771054508773376Nov 22 19:37
TechrightsBotTitle: Boycott Novell Becomes Similar to Boycott Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.98 KBNov 22 19:37
TechrightsBotTitle: Twitter / motters: Looks like Roy Schestowitz ... .::. Size~: 12.35 KBNov 22 19:37
schestowitz"Bueno, vamos con los anti-mono, que con lo de ironpython y F# estaban bajos de moral y hoy están de subidón: http://bit.ly/9frX2j" http://twitter.com/spectrumgomas/statuses/6762396030861312Nov 22 19:38
TechrightsBotTitle: Hovsepians Mission Accomplished  Novell Decommissioned, Microsoft Gets the Patents and Maybe UNIX | Techrights .::. Size~: 103.31 KBNov 22 19:38
TechrightsBotTitle: Twitter / Luis Souto Graña: Bueno, vamos con los anti- ... .::. Size~: 12.67 KBNov 22 19:38
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/jemadux/statuses/6741797439021056 "Now the #ubuntu looks less evil on distrowatch , microsoftwatch http://techrights.org/2010/11/22/microsoft-takes-part-of-novell/"Nov 22 19:38
TechrightsBotTitle: Twitter / K. Angelos Gkountras: ♻ @mariuz: Now the #ubuntu ... .::. Size~: 13.1 KBNov 22 19:38
TechrightsBotTitle: Boycott Novell Becomes Similar to Boycott Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.98 KBNov 22 19:38
schestowitz"Now the #ubuntu looks less evil on distrowatch , microsoftwatch http://techrights.org/2010/11/22/microsoft-takes-part-of-novell/ " http://identi.ca/notice/59071312Nov 22 19:39
TechrightsBotTitle: Boycott Novell Becomes Similar to Boycott Microsoft | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.98 KBNov 22 19:39
TechrightsBotTitle: Jeff Ratliff (gomerx)'s status on Monday, 22-Nov-10 15:38:34 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.51 KBNov 22 19:39
schestowitzNo, the problem with Novell is only starting, it's just labelled differentlyNov 22 19:39
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