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| Quadrescence | Google rarely contacts Gmail users via email, but we are making an exception to let you know that we've reached a settlement in a lawsuit regarding Google Buzz (http://buzz.google.com), a service we launched within Gmail in February of this year. | Nov 03 01:02 |
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| Quadrescence | Shortly after its launch, we heard from a number of people who were concerned about privacy. In addition, we were sued by a group of Buzz users and recently reached a settlement in this case. | Nov 03 01:02 |
| Quadrescence | The settlement acknowledges that we quickly changed the service to address users' concerns. In addition, Google has committed $8.5 million to an independent fund, most of which will support organizations promoting privacy education and policy on the web. We will also do more to educate people about privacy controls specific to Buzz. The more people know about privacy online, the better their online experience will be. | Nov 03 01:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Google Buzz .::. Size~: 5.21 KB | Nov 03 01:02 |
| Quadrescence | Just to be clear, this is not a settlement in which people who use Gmail can file to receive compensation. Everyone in the U.S. who uses Gmail is included in the settlement, unless you personally decide to opt out before December 6, 2010. The Court will consider final approval of the agreement on January 31, 2011. This email is a summary of the settlement, and more detailed information and instructions approved by the court, in | Nov 03 01:02 |
| Quadrescence | cluding instructions about how to opt out, object, or comment, are available at http://www.BuzzClassAction.com. | Nov 03 01:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Google Buzz User Privacy Litigation Class Action Settlement Website .::. Size~: 8.85 KB | Nov 03 01:02 |
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| Quadrescence | This mandatory announcement was sent to all Gmail users in the United States as part of a legal settlement and was authorized by the United States District Court for the Northern District of California. | Nov 03 01:02 |
| Quadrescence | Google Inc. | 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway | Mountain View, CA 94043 | Nov 03 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: I declare this thread ON TOPIC | Nov 03 01:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | \o/ | Nov 03 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | More good news | Nov 03 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Boss may allow all my code to be gpl-licensed | Nov 03 11:07 |
| schestowitz | iow, getting paid to write and expand gnu software from home | Nov 03 11:07 |
| schestowitz | but not for sure yet | Nov 03 11:07 |
| oiaohm | I have a more fun releation ship. | Nov 03 11:11 |
| oiaohm | I get to set the licence of what I code based on how much company wanting it pays. | Nov 03 11:12 |
| oiaohm | And after 12 months has passes I can then release the code under what ever licence I like. | Nov 03 11:12 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: What software it is? | Nov 03 11:28 |
| oiaohm | Mostly customistions on stuff. | Nov 03 11:48 |
| oiaohm | So far most have no prac usage outside the target companies. | Nov 03 11:48 |
| oiaohm | But some of the stuff I am doing with asterisk at the moment might be worth while. | Nov 03 11:48 |
| oiaohm | Lot has been inter business data conversion. gnufreex | Nov 03 11:51 |
| oiaohm | From one internal database format to another. | Nov 03 11:51 |
| gnufreex | Data integration... what language? | Nov 03 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Scary enough various. | Nov 03 11:52 |
| gnufreex | yikes | Nov 03 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the data sources. | Nov 03 11:52 |
| oiaohm | excel works out best processed with java. | Nov 03 11:52 |
| oiaohm | sql storage to sql storage works out very well with php. | Nov 03 11:52 |
| gnufreex | I do some stuff with Metamatrix... or Teiid, as it is called now. | Nov 03 11:53 |
| gnufreex | Jboss stuff. | Nov 03 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Lot of these are legacy crap as well. | Nov 03 11:53 |
| oiaohm | So acccess databases forwards to something sane. | Nov 03 11:53 |
| gnufreex | I hate when there is patchwork of languages. | Nov 03 11:54 |
| gnufreex | In same project. | Nov 03 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Mine is a worse nightmare. | Nov 03 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Patchwork of languages with patchwork of companies. | Nov 03 11:55 |
| oiaohm | And part of the processes is working out what information two companies are preparied to share. | Nov 03 11:56 |
| gnufreex | How do you mean... two companies run same datacenter... or two companies work on same software? | Nov 03 11:56 |
| oiaohm | You are being nice. | Nov 03 11:56 |
| oiaohm | 2 companies independnant datacenters independant software. I am writing the bridge between there two systems. | Nov 03 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Same datacenter or same software would make the job so many times simpler. | Nov 03 11:57 |
| gnufreex | So you need to exchange data... that's a mess. | Nov 03 11:58 |
| oiaohm | And hopefully only 2 companies | Nov 03 11:58 |
| oiaohm | My worse was a 12 way share. | Nov 03 11:58 |
| oiaohm | of information. | Nov 03 11:58 |
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| oiaohm | And nothing matched between the compaines at all. | Nov 03 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Right down to using different server OS's. | Nov 03 11:58 |
| oiaohm | I also do exchange of data setups for large company software migrations. | Nov 03 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Those are nicer because you don't have blacklist data from each company to worry about. | Nov 03 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Ie blacklist data the data you are not allowed to transfer to other companies under the pain of very big law suit for breach of NDA. | Nov 03 12:00 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, that's what I suspected when I said "mess" | Nov 03 12:01 |
| oiaohm | My worst annoyance is how much crap software is out there. | Nov 03 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Written on access. | Nov 03 12:02 |
| gnufreex | Ugh | Nov 03 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Makes my intergration work many times harder. | Nov 03 12:02 |
| gnufreex | I hate access. | Nov 03 12:02 |
| gnufreex | And ACCESS. | Nov 03 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Same | Nov 03 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Only database I know that can show you one query and process a completely different one. | Nov 03 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Instead. | Nov 03 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Its like as if it is designed to destory companies. | Nov 03 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes I don't say that lightly. | Nov 03 12:04 |
| gnufreex | Access is designed that way to upsell you to MS SQL SERVER | Nov 03 12:04 |
| gnufreex | "We have cure for that" | Nov 03 12:05 |
| gnufreex | lol | Nov 03 12:05 |
| gnufreex | But I never used SQL server, avoided it lika plague... so I might be wrong. | Nov 03 12:05 |
| gnufreex | Is it also crappy? | Nov 03 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Umm | Nov 03 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Other than the fact access backs onto JET database that has a different internal format. | Nov 03 12:11 |
| oiaohm | That does not transfer correctly to MS SQL Server | Nov 03 12:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: gnu is more fun | Nov 03 12:12 |
| schestowitz | I have 3 months possibly to just write free software | Nov 03 12:12 |
| schestowitz | and hopefully to do much of it from home | Nov 03 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Current work is fun. | Nov 03 12:12 |
| schestowitz | I am currently working on getting another grant | Nov 03 12:12 |
| oiaohm | asterisk pbx having to secure freepbx | Nov 03 12:13 |
| oiaohm | So that the server can have spamassissian and email filtering with interface intergrated. | Nov 03 12:13 |
| oiaohm | All threw ssl port. | Nov 03 12:13 |
| schestowitz | "I have just spoken to ******, who I understand mailed you a short while ago. She phoned me to explain that whether I continue after 3 months or not it is wise to apply for a grant as it is possible to give up the grant at any stage but never possible to request it at a later stage. She has explained to me which forms are required (I have all that they require) and that a 2-page project proposal needs to be written. I can | Nov 03 12:14 |
| schestowitz | attempt to write a draft once we know which project or direction to concentrate on." | Nov 03 12:14 |
| oiaohm | That is something that is annoying. | Nov 03 12:17 |
| oiaohm | I have 12 other documents to write up. | Nov 03 12:17 |
| gnufreex | From what I saw on VLC mailing list, I don't think I will be using VLC ever again. | Nov 03 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Really avloding vlc is hard. | Nov 03 12:57 |
| oiaohm | dvd play back libs most people use come from them. gnufreex | Nov 03 12:58 |
| gnufreex | Did you read the thread? | Nov 03 12:58 |
| gnufreex | Is that guy VLC dev? | Nov 03 12:58 |
| oiaohm | What thread. | Nov 03 13:01 |
| oiaohm | There are blow ups in vlc about every 3 months. | Nov 03 13:01 |
| oiaohm | I have got to the point of disregarding. | Nov 03 13:01 |
| gnufreex | http://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/vlc-devel/2010-November/077486.html | Nov 03 13:01 |
| gnufreex | Brett Smith from FSF was invited to comment. | Nov 03 13:02 |
| gnufreex | Then some guy attacked him | Nov 03 13:02 |
| gnufreex | For nothing. | Nov 03 13:02 |
| gnufreex | And blamed FSF for all kinds of crap | Nov 03 13:02 |
| gnufreex | Mostly made up | Nov 03 13:02 |
| gnufreex | Said FSF tries to break VLC community. | Nov 03 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Jean-Baptiste Kempf Is a special case. | Nov 03 13:08 |
| oiaohm | His role with VLC is multisided. | Nov 03 13:08 |
| gnufreex | I see he is special, he shoud have his head examined. | Nov 03 13:08 |
| oiaohm | FSF actions most likely are interfering with what he is upto. | Nov 03 13:08 |
| gnufreex | FSF is doing nothing. | Nov 03 13:09 |
| gnufreex | VLC contributor asked for opinion, and got it. That's it. | Nov 03 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Opening publishing the GPL issue most likely is interfering with what Jean-Baptiste is upto. | Nov 03 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Jean-Baptiste had opened up dialog with Apple over the issue. | Nov 03 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Jean-Baptiste has poisoned glassed companies causing VLC issues before. | Nov 03 13:12 |
| gnufreex | He should have told that to contributors, FSF has no way of knowing that. | Nov 03 13:12 |
| gnufreex | Obviously, he has axe to grind against FSF. | Nov 03 13:13 |
| gnufreex | So he failed at communicating with them. | Nov 03 13:13 |
| oiaohm | History of the beast. | Nov 03 13:14 |
| oiaohm | He trys to operate by stealth. | Nov 03 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Effect is yes fall out. | Nov 03 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Lets just say he is one of the sharks on the open source side. | Nov 03 13:15 |
| oiaohm | I don't particularly like him either. | Nov 03 13:15 |
| gnufreex | Maybe he is not all that bad, but what I see here is more ammo for mobbyists who will claim how FSF is awful and community hates them. | Nov 03 13:16 |
| gnufreex | And fault is not at FSF. | Nov 03 13:16 |
| gnufreex | He should know better, everybody should know better. | Nov 03 13:16 |
| gnufreex | Except if he is one of mobbyists. | Nov 03 13:16 |
| oiaohm | He is not one of the mobbyists. But his core blieve is destroy from inside. | Nov 03 13:19 |
| oiaohm | To take out companies like apple and Ms. | Nov 03 13:19 |
| oiaohm | MS don't play fair so he does not. | Nov 03 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Somethign I strictly don't bleive that 1 wrong justifies another. | Nov 03 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Mostly from Jean-Baptiste point of view is that he would have wanted to force Apple to remove the product due to legal risks to them. | Nov 03 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Not have the VLC community pull it down. gnufreex | Nov 03 13:23 |
| oiaohm | Ie apple removing it will do harm to apple. | Nov 03 13:23 |
| oiaohm | FSF and Jean-Baptiste basically fight the opensoruce battle different ways. | Nov 03 13:23 |
| oiaohm | The FSF way I see as the fair and truth way. | Nov 03 13:25 |
| gnufreex | I see only this JB guy attacking FSF, and then he blames FSF for things he does: being impolite, missinpreting... | Nov 03 13:26 |
| gnufreex | Typical mobbyist talking point. | Nov 03 13:26 |
| gnufreex | He thinks he is VLC community, and FSF is "attacking" VLC | Nov 03 13:27 |
| oiaohm | But he is not a mobbyist. I don't know what you would call the open source equal. | Nov 03 13:27 |
| oiaohm | That in traps closed source compaines into using the product. | Nov 03 13:28 |
| gnufreex | He probably isn't | Nov 03 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Then turns the closed source company into the bad guy when they stop shipping the product. | Nov 03 13:28 |
| oiaohm | He has done this before. gnufreex | Nov 03 13:28 |
| oiaohm | As I said FSF actions were interfering with JB style of operations. | Nov 03 13:29 |
| gnufreex | All this would not happen if he talked to FSF. | Nov 03 13:29 |
| gnufreex | They probably didn't have a clue what he does. | Nov 03 13:29 |
| oiaohm | FSF don't agree with JB way of doing things either. | Nov 03 13:29 |
| oiaohm | Basically for years they have not seen eye to eye. | Nov 03 13:30 |
| oiaohm | And there last arguement before this one JB told FSF to stay out of his turf that he would take care of the issues. | Nov 03 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie history of bad blood here. | Nov 03 13:30 |
| oiaohm | I personally see JB method creating fear of open source that open source will be used as a trap. | Nov 03 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Basically JB is not a mobbyist as you want to call him. He is something else bad that there does not exist a valid title for. gnufreex | Nov 03 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Yes JB still believes in the ideals of FOSS. More an extermist how to get there. | Nov 03 13:33 |
| gnufreex | I know there are bigger "extremists" than FSF. Basically, he wants his way or the highway. | Nov 03 13:34 |
| gnufreex | Peeps are saying FSF is extreme, I don't think so. | Nov 03 13:35 |
| gnufreex | He says "I flamed Brett, because he did not come to vlc-devel for an analysis first. | Nov 03 13:39 |
| gnufreex | For exactly this reason, nothing else." | Nov 03 13:39 |
| gnufreex | He couldn have any way to know what list JB prefers. | Nov 03 13:40 |
| gnufreex | Overeacted, that's it. | Nov 03 13:40 |
| schestowitz | "@Levo75 "Try plugging in an ATI GFX card." >heh. I'm not into masochism :-)" | Nov 03 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Is ATI still really so hard? | Nov 03 13:59 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: Jean-Baptiste I recall from some cotroversy | Nov 03 13:59 |
| schestowitz | the fsf will be daemnised either way, by multiple mobbyists at the moment | Nov 03 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Jean-Baptiste only 1 cotroversy you must have missed a few. schestowitz | Nov 03 14:09 |
| gnufreex | Hahaha.... Mobbyists implies that Oracle might buy Google as part of setlement. | Nov 03 14:10 |
| gnufreex | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/29498607392 | Nov 03 14:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / FOSS Patents: @Codepope That is also wha ... .::. Size~: 9.49 KB | Nov 03 14:11 |
| gnufreex | "That is also what I consider a more likely package. I still thought the idea of a multi-billion $ M&A deal was interesting." | Nov 03 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Really Oracle aquire google see the anti-trust regulators have a field day. | Nov 03 14:11 |
| gnufreex | Oracle CANT aquire GOOG. Other way around is more likely. | Nov 03 14:12 |
| gnufreex | See market cap. | Nov 03 14:12 |
| gnufreex | Mobyist #fail | Nov 03 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Really Market cap can fall quicky if share price drops. | Nov 03 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Its not impossible. gnufreex | Nov 03 14:13 |
| oiaohm | But highly unlikely. | Nov 03 14:13 |
| gnufreex | GOOG 197B ORCL 148B | Nov 03 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Lets say GOOG share price halves because it does badly in the court case against orcale. | Nov 03 14:14 |
| gnufreex | Also, Google has 25Bn in bank and no debt. | Nov 03 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Then Orcale could possiblely take it. | Nov 03 14:14 |
| gnufreex | Oracle has about 10bn debt and also 10bn in bank | Nov 03 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Compared to Orcales assets they could take lone for more. | Nov 03 14:14 |
| gnufreex | No way share halves. | Nov 03 14:15 |
| gnufreex | Google is not dependant on Android | Nov 03 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Has happened before. | Nov 03 14:15 |
| oiaohm | it is a rare event. | Nov 03 14:15 |
| gnufreex | It is a search company, if they kill Android, they are still good. | Nov 03 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Remember Android and Google search engine to share common parts. | Nov 03 14:15 |
| gnufreex | Android is just a bat to club Microosft. | Nov 03 14:15 |
| gnufreex | and apple | Nov 03 14:15 |
| oiaohm | If orcale gets lucky they could hit something critical to google in the process. | Nov 03 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Particularly with some of the clustering filesystem patents they have from sun and there own developments. | Nov 03 14:16 |
| oiaohm | As I said highly unlikely. | Nov 03 14:16 |
| oiaohm | It requires Oracle having some luck and hitting critical parts of google. | Nov 03 14:17 |
| oiaohm | And requiring a huge settlement out of google. | Nov 03 14:17 |
| oiaohm | So causing google share price to dive and Orcale to have the money to take google. | Nov 03 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Odds of it happening I would not be betting money on. | Nov 03 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat will buy Microsoft... /me trying to be mobbyist | Nov 03 14:18 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Did you see red hat story I linked this morning? | Nov 03 14:19 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: that is getting truly in the impossible at current time. | Nov 03 14:19 |
| oiaohm | But long term who knows how far Microsoft will fail. | Nov 03 14:20 |
| oiaohm | More and more market assessments say Microsoft will fail the question is when. | Nov 03 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Not if. | Nov 03 14:21 |
| gnufreex | Some grannies have some sort of club and calling it Red Hat Society. And they are now enforcing trademarks on "Red Hat" against some people. That could dilute trademarks of Real Red Hat. Schestowitz | Nov 03 14:21 |
| gnufreex | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-03/microsoft-debeers-abbott-l-a-printex-red-hat-intellectual-property.html | Nov 03 14:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Microsoft, De Beers, Abbott, L.A. Printex, Red Hat: Intellectual Property - Bloomberg .::. Size~: 58.2 KB | Nov 03 14:22 |
| *gnufreex has to go, brb | Nov 03 14:22 | |
| oiaohm | Redhat real trademark does not have a space. gnufreex | Nov 03 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes small difference big difference when it come to a trademark. | Nov 03 14:24 |
| oiaohm | With a space big question if its a legal trademark. | Nov 03 14:25 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: I don't think so. Logo don't have space, trademard (word) has space. | Nov 03 14:34 |
| gnufreex | And it doesn't matter, it dilutes the brand anyways. | Nov 03 14:35 |
| gnufreex | Now somebody will think grannies instead open source. | Nov 03 14:35 |
| gnufreex | When he hears Red hat, thet is., | Nov 03 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Redhat offical trademark is space less. | Nov 03 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Red hat with space techically should not be a trademark | Nov 03 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Since its general words. | Nov 03 14:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | the name of the corporation is Red Hat, Inc. | Nov 03 14:37 |
| gnufreex | There is thing with being similar. I know I read papers, for example Sombrero Rosa would be violation. You can't translate it. Same for sticking spaces and dots. | Nov 03 14:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | their registered trademark is Red Hat(R) | Nov 03 14:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | there is a helpful pdf on their site titled 'Red Hat Trademark Guidelines' :) | Nov 03 14:39 |
| gnufreex | So, it has space. | Nov 03 14:39 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, I reat that exactly. | Nov 03 14:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, so does the name of the product, and the corporation. | Nov 03 14:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course, all that has the qualifier '...that might cause confusion in the marketplace.' (section A) | Nov 03 14:40 |
| gnufreex | So, should we report grannies? I think Microsoft is funding them, to dilute Red Hat's trademark. | Nov 03 14:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | section C is particularly interesting. | Nov 03 14:41 |
| gnufreex | It is strange that they offten show up on Google news search before real Red Hat. | Nov 03 14:41 |
| gnufreex | I've been seing that for months now. | Nov 03 14:41 |
| gnufreex | Why are buch of grandmothers that interesting? | Nov 03 14:42 |
| gnufreex | Conspir~1 | Nov 03 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't noti\ce them | Nov 03 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Hadn't heard of it till oiaohm brought it up... | Nov 03 14:51 |
| *schestowitz writing some posts about gnu octave today | Nov 03 14:51 | |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz: Ahh, cool. Out of my league though. I did some process control in the past, but now I use it for more simple stuff." | Nov 03 14:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | sue Little Red Riding Hood | Nov 03 14:51 |
| schestowitz | "@CajunTechie re "is it KDE only? Works in GNOME too?" > yes, with Qt. #gnu #octave #qtoctave" | Nov 03 14:52 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: f* er | Nov 03 14:52 |
| schestowitz | She dilutes Linux | Nov 03 14:53 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 03 14:53 |
| schestowitz | "Look! !kde ☛ ♻ @schestowitz: #MATLAB ☛ vs #QtOctave ☛ First Impressions: QtOctave Looks Better http://ur1.ca/29apg #gnu ☛ #Octave ☛" | Nov 03 16:17 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » MATLAB vs QtOctave First Impressions: QtOctave Looks Better .::. Size~: 33.96 KB | Nov 03 16:17 |
| schestowitz | "#DICOM Viewers for #gnu #linux http://ur1.ca/29cgj a little survey update. Now I'll return to posting some Free software " | Nov 03 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Now, that was fun | Nov 03 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » DICOM Viewers for GNU/Linux .::. Size~: 35.64 KB | Nov 03 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Lots easier than I imagined it would be | Nov 03 18:45 |
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