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| schestowitz | -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @jwildeboer and deny GNU/Linux users the possibility of freedom? how can you oppose RAND and support non-Free Linux. similar sham! | Nov 13 07:12 |
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| schestowitz | What spin1 | Nov 13 07:12 |
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| Quadrescence | schestowitz: is your twitter image of you? | Nov 13 13:50 |
| schestowitz | yeah, but a few years ago :-) | Nov 13 13:59 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/57974152#notice-58517632 "@schestowitz Yeah, my experience w/ the KDE spin wasn't so great either." | Nov 13 14:03 |
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| schestowitz | Actually, worked well for me on the desktop | Nov 13 14:03 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/57974152#notice-58517666 "@schestowitz I did like the LXDE version, but the lack of robust power management was the deal breaker, so I'm on the stock GNOME version." | Nov 13 14:04 |
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| schestowitz | We'll do a Fedora special | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > Hi Roy, | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > If you are wanting to do a show tonight, please find enclosed a txt file | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > of what I intend to cover. Ive kept distractions to a minimum today | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > (hence why I'm not in IRC) as Ive been looking at Fusion Linux 14 which | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > will also get a mention on the show (its a little bit of a double edged | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > distro) | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Just installed Fedora 14 on another box today. Less rosy than the | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | previous one. plasma-desktop went titsup after reboot, now having to use | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | plasma-netbook by default. Also, laptop mic doesn't get recognised, will | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | need to use external one. Stuff for the show, for sure. Lots of issues | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | to discuss while afresh :-) | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > I'll be around early evening so if you intended on a show tonight, we | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > can crack on whenever you are ready. | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Excellent! I still get lots of show feedback by E-mail. | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > Ive had a few comments about your mic.....I think I know what I'll get | Nov 13 14:04 |
| schestowitz | > > you for an Xmas present! | Nov 13 14:05 |
| schestowitz | I've been waiting to see how the show grows before committing to a new | Nov 13 14:05 |
| schestowitz | mic. I might buy one soon. | Nov 13 14:05 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/58517928 " Ah. I was using it on my Eee. Had problems w/ Knetworkmanager & compositing, stuff that never happened in LXDE or GNOME spin." | Nov 13 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Claudio (claudiom)'s status on Saturday, 13-Nov-10 14:05:10 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.52 KB | Nov 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Quadrescence: what distro are you on (if any)? | Nov 13 14:10 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: Xubuntu | Nov 13 14:11 |
| schestowitz | I've just asked around.. "I think something rogue happened in a !kde ☛ install I tried where plasma-deskop won't start. Can I not delete .kde/share/apps/pla* something?" | Nov 13 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Support request via identica... | Nov 13 14:16 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: what distribution. | Nov 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Fedora | Nov 13 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Right. | Nov 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | I didn't try hard to solve it | Nov 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's not for me | Nov 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | So I put plasma-netbook as default | Nov 13 14:19 |
| schestowitz | One time I managed to run plasma-desktop again | Nov 13 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Check that python is working. | Nov 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I want to jump back to plasma-desktop default | Nov 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | mv ~settings_dir ~settings_dir_old | Nov 13 14:20 |
| oiaohm | I have had fedora plasma desktop installed | Nov 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | why python? | Nov 13 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Not working and its turned out that python was dead. | Nov 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I just want plasma resorted in some firm | Nov 13 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I just want plasma resorted in some form | Nov 13 14:20 |
| oiaohm | plasma desktop contains some python scripts. | Nov 13 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I didn't read the error | Nov 13 14:21 |
| oiaohm | That must run. | Nov 13 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Was in a hurry, just trying to get someone going with Linux | Nov 13 14:21 |
| oiaohm | If they don't run it can die and become like a log out. | Nov 13 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Or worse. | Nov 13 14:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: where are plasma settings? | Nov 13 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I did look up on google a couple of time, lost patience | Nov 13 14:21 |
| oiaohm | This what I am refering to is not plasma settings | Nov 13 14:21 |
| oiaohm | But engine. | Nov 13 14:21 |
| schestowitz | I hadn't updated by then | Nov 13 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Only later I updated packages thinking this might resolve through kde patched | Nov 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz | It did not | Nov 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz | In fact, I think it only worked two logins before something broke | Nov 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz | And I hadn't yet enabled desktop effects (GPU) | Nov 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz | So it's not that | Nov 13 14:22 |
| schestowitz | I maybe added some widgets | Nov 13 14:22 |
| oiaohm | ~/.kde/share/config That is where it is on debian. | Nov 13 14:24 |
| oiaohm | files starting with plasma | Nov 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz | ahhh | Nov 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz | I'll try to have a fallback by changing their names | Nov 13 14:24 |
| schestowitz | If I mess up, I can create new user account | Nov 13 14:24 |
| oiaohm | If it don't work with a clean user. | Nov 13 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Ie new user | Nov 13 14:25 |
| oiaohm | I would guess python is shot again. | Nov 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I might first try new user | Nov 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Clean profile | Nov 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Just to ensure it's not plasma itself broken | Nov 13 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Would be wise | Nov 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I had to customise a lot | Nov 13 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Nothing worse than editing config files only to find out the software is stuffed. | Nov 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Wireless setup, autologin... | Nov 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: software was ok | Nov 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz | for an hour | Nov 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz | no patches arrives | Nov 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz | no patches arrived | Nov 13 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Even so. | Nov 13 14:26 |
| schestowitz | And then it stopped working, except one time (can't recall how/why) | Nov 13 14:26 |
| oiaohm | I know secuirty settings of fedora have things like threat detetion. | Nov 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, was in a hurry to get back and post new... also doing another episode today | Nov 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, selinux too | Nov 13 14:27 |
| schestowitz | It gave some off warning I ignroed | Nov 13 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | I need an expansion slot for memory cache | Nov 13 14:59 |
| schestowitz | I lose track of desktop tasks and can't recall what I forgot to do. Feels annoying, somwwhat | Nov 13 15:00 |
| schestowitz | *somewhat | Nov 13 15:00 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz probably more likely ~/.kde4/share/plasma* Either back up, or be prepared to loose your configuration )" | Nov 13 15:29 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/58520917 | Nov 13 15:29 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: if you want to see why i don't want to know about listts, check those i'm on | Nov 13 15:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | :) | Nov 13 15:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: g'day | Nov 13 15:41 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 13 16:07 |
| schestowitz | On Aussie trip now? | Nov 13 16:08 |
| schestowitz | A week ago I was in a conversation where my dad said Canada and Australia would be the winning economies, then I disagreed | Nov 13 16:08 |
| schestowitz | I know some people who move to the far East | Nov 13 16:09 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, sharp divide there too, like in Russia | Nov 13 16:09 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/57981908#notice-58526542 | Nov 13 16:11 |
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| qu1j0t3 | you know why he said it | Nov 13 16:11 |
| schestowitz | why? | Nov 13 16:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | in a sense they are already winning, comparatively. for the reason he said it. | Nov 13 16:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | because they're resource based economies. so they can do well, for a while. | Nov 13 16:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I believe that's the main reason neither was hit particularly hard by the recession. | Nov 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | re "Mars not amused by greenhouse effect on Earth" | Nov 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/58525908 | Nov 13 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: yes, and natural resources too | Nov 13 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Good ratio between resources and consumption | Nov 13 16:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: also poignant http://www.flickr.com/photos/sevensheaven/4977150535/ | Nov 13 16:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Mars similar to Earth | Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 119.67 KB | Nov 13 16:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the money comes from non-renewable, extractive | Nov 13 16:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: so it's a temporary boom, then we're doomed to a broke future in a toxic wasteland, obviously. where all the landscape, flora and fauna is destroyed | Nov 13 16:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: amazing ppl don't care about that. | Nov 13 16:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: live for today! | Nov 13 16:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: who cares about your children, their children, ad infinitum. | Nov 13 16:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the world you and i were born into is already transformed | Nov 13 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I know | Nov 13 16:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: probably when we were born, there might have been hope. | Nov 13 16:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the amazon still existed | Nov 13 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Not sure what people can do about it though | Nov 13 16:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: millions of extinct species still existed | Nov 13 16:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: what they can do is quite clear | Nov 13 16:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: will they do anything? no. | Nov 13 16:16 |
| schestowitz | You can't raise the subject either | Nov 13 16:16 |
| schestowitz | You get pullback | Nov 13 16:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | definitely. | Nov 13 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Self-sensorship | Nov 13 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Since kindergarten you learn certain absolutes you cannot challenge | Nov 13 16:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I love this guy. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomgauld/5170916451/in/contacts/ | Nov 13 16:18 |
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| schestowitz | dented | Nov 13 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | ml2mst's microphone is really crap, can't use it to record for the show :-9 | Nov 13 17:09 |
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| schestowitz | This is too choppy for me (b/w); http://wimp.com/bicycleskill/ | Nov 13 17:56 |
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| FurnaceBoy | hhh is that the english guy? Angus? | Nov 13 17:56 |
| *FurnaceBoy chex | Nov 13 17:57 | |
| schestowitz | http://lists.linaro.org/pipermail/linaro-announce/2010-November/000025.html | Nov 13 17:59 |
| schestowitz | -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Kinect hacked - Working on Linux, 3 hours after launch. http://ur1.ca/2bfqv | Nov 13 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://file.status.net/i/identica/mohanpram-20101112T134253-jbh7h8b.gif | Nov 13 18:04 |
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| MinceR | :) | Nov 13 18:04 |
| MinceR | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbst1gXOnK1qze11co1_400.jpg | Nov 13 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.arnoldexposed.com/ | Nov 13 18:15 |
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| MinceR | seen it | Nov 13 18:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | holy crap those bicycling girls are amazing. | Nov 13 18:17 |
| schestowitz | I can't get it not to play choppily | Nov 13 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | plays beautifully here. | Nov 13 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | btw, vp8 may kill flash video, and that's a great thing. | Nov 13 18:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's ridiculous to have video depending on flash | Nov 13 18:20 |
| MinceR | more like painful | Nov 13 18:22 |
| MinceR | to have flash at all | Nov 13 18:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, but having video not depend on it is a huge step to killing it off. probably the biggest step. | Nov 13 18:23 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 13 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's nice to see that youtube has taken initiative and offers WebM | Nov 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | soon 100% converted to webm | Nov 13 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | ya | Nov 13 18:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Steve must be ecstatic, soon he can stop bundling Flash w/ OS X | Nov 13 18:32 |
| MinceR | no, he's probably worrying if he can force h.264 on the web | Nov 13 18:47 |
| MinceR | which competes with webm | Nov 13 18:47 |
| MinceR | crApple is a member of the mpeg la cartel | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | yup | Nov 13 18:51 |
| schestowitz | they also threaten ogg | Nov 13 18:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: they're a licensee. so is everyone else. | Nov 13 18:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | i can't really see any political advantage for steve in rejecting webm. | Nov 13 18:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | at all. | Nov 13 18:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | it reinforces his attack on flash, though. | Nov 13 18:55 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: no, they're not a licensee. | Nov 13 18:57 |
| MinceR | http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensors.aspx | Nov 13 18:57 |
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| MinceR | note the first entry. | Nov 13 18:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, a licensee. | Nov 13 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | exactly what i said. | Nov 13 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | like everyone else. | Nov 13 18:58 |
| MinceR | licensor != licensee | Nov 13 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's not a 'member of a cartel'. it means the cartel has required them to negotiate a license. | Nov 13 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, it's not. | Nov 13 18:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | apple holds a license, correct/ | Nov 13 18:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | that makes them a licensee. | Nov 13 18:59 |
| MinceR | did you even read the page i linked? | Nov 13 18:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Nov 13 18:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | apple holds a license, correct? that makes them a licensEE. | Nov 13 18:59 |
| MinceR | that page says they're a licensor | Nov 13 18:59 |
| MinceR | (they're also a licensee: http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/AVC/Pages/Licensees.aspx ) | Nov 13 19:00 |
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| MinceR | they _sell_ licenses through the cartel. | Nov 13 19:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok. well i haven't studied this godawful system. the good news is that WebM is standing against the whole damned thing. | Nov 13 19:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | if that means pissing off Apple, then fine. | Nov 13 19:01 |
| MinceR | btw, killing Trash and forcing web browsers to implement h.264 would mean that the cartel gets to sell licenses to every browser maker, not just to adobe. | Nov 13 19:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course. | Nov 13 19:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | h264 needs to die. | Nov 13 19:01 |
| MinceR | unrelated >> http://www.xs4all.nl/~weegen/eelis/analogliterals.xhtml | Nov 13 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | Apple uses MPEG LA to exclude main rivals... Android/Linux/etc | Nov 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Easy to sell $2000 laptop and pay mpeg-la | Nov 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | The cartel harms commodity | Nov 13 19:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right. | Nov 13 19:40 |
| schestowitz | see Microsoft ACCESS/Acacia deal | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Paying them just to put Google in trouble | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20101112/bs_yblog_upshot/glenn-beck-draws-criticism-over-latest-holocaust-comments | Nov 13 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | [18:40] <sebsebseb> i don't want some troll singing up as me, so asking here | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:40] <sebsebseb> I am thinking about also signing up on Twitter soonish, but theres a problem, someone else has the sebsebseb name, so what should I call myself instead? | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:50] <schestowitz> think of something... lots of namespace left | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:51] <sebsebseb> right, but I want the sebsebseb in it :) | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:51] <schestowitz> think of something | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:51] <schestowitz> This does not need to be private | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:51] <sebsebseb> I have some ideas | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:51] <sebsebseb> therealsebsebseb | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:51] <schestowitz> Cause you don't name a name of account | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:51] <sebsebseb> thesebsebseb | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:51] <sebsebseb> astuff like that | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:51] <schestowitz> yeah | Nov 13 19:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | didn't we warn him that he'd lose sebsebseb? | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:52] <sebsebseb> and I don't want to say in there since morons may sign up as one of them | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz |  | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | [18:52] <sebsebseb> like what happended with identica | Nov 13 19:52 |
| schestowitz | I think so | Nov 13 19:55 |
| schestowitz | And he wouldn't take it | Nov 13 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Waited until someone else did | Nov 13 19:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Nov 13 20:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah i seem to recall suggesting that he grab it. | Nov 13 20:02 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you should meet trmanco | Nov 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | He's still aroound | Nov 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Haven't spoke to him on phone for about a year since he had a messy breakup | Nov 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | And I reckon he could use some more company | Nov 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Just finished recording !Techbytes with Roy, great stuff....going to unwind ....maybe even a little Auteria! | Nov 13 20:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's out of town | Nov 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | oh | Nov 13 20:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mean, he lives out of town. | Nov 13 20:23 |
| MinceR | whoa, bizarro world got hypePhones too >> http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1408.html | Nov 13 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | [20:23] <FurnaceBoy> this is exactly what I was complaining about, re video games: http://www.canada.com/technology/story.html?id=3812385 | Nov 13 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | Indeed | Nov 13 21:06 |
| schestowitz | recording now, bbl | Nov 13 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://www.flickr.com/photos/qu1j0t3/5172493597/ | Nov 13 22:15 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: nice | Nov 13 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Nov 13 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | 1974 | Nov 13 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: LOL... I'm on a list GeorgeSorosPaidStooge | Nov 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | y I'm not in IRC) as IvHe pays EFF too | Nov 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | That's the unfortunate thing | Nov 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | He pays some decent things too, not just mobsters | Nov 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | So people will give him "gates treatment" | Nov 13 23:36 |
| schestowitz | These days you have to stomp on many people to get rich and be called a "wonderful person" by the press | Nov 13 23:37 |
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