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schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-sep-dec.html#10%20November%202010%20%28Secret%20Shell%20Oil%20documents%29 "We should assume that every large company approaches bad news with such a PR campaign. There are consultants whose business is purely to help plan it."Nov 15 06:26
schestowitzMinceR: the trolls picked up on jono's use of Vista 7Nov 15 07:39
MinceRwhat a surprise :>Nov 15 09:48
schestowitzI'll show here...Nov 15 09:48
schestowitz[07:11] <jono> btwNov 15 09:48
schestowitz[07:11] <jono> I am not sure if I ever told you thisNov 15 09:48
schestowitz[07:12] <jono> I just have huge respect for how I think you have changed ever since that interviewNov 15 09:48
schestowitz[07:12] <jono> you seem fairer and more balanced than beforeNov 15 09:48
schestowitz[07:12] <jono> not saying the interview changed anything, but I just wanted to say I like your approach nowNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:12] <schestowitz> I didn't change anythingNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:12] <schestowitz> Maybe percetualNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:12] <jono> possiblyNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:13] <schestowitz> Because I was being misrepresented by trollsNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:13] <jono> well, whatever has happened, I think your output is generally pretty positiveNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:13] <jono> so good work, palNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:13] <jono> I am glad we are friendsNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:15] <schestowitz> :-)Nov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:15] <schestowitz> Right back at chaNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:15] <jono> you know one thingNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:15] <jono> I think I said this beforeNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:15] <jono> I was pretty impressed by the humanity you showed to DaemonFCNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:15] <schestowitz> I don't know where he isNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:15] <jono> that kind of compassion is a great trait in a human beingNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:16] <jono> you showed great compassion to him and reached outNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:16] <jono> anyway, I know we don't always see eye to eye, but just wanted to say thatNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:18] <schestowitz> yes, well, I get flak for standing up for what I think it's trueNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:19] <schestowitz> In matters of "faith", politics, computers, society...Nov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:19] <schestowitz> People attack other people who say things they don't like to hearNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:19] <jono> agreedNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:19] <jono> btw, quick qNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:19] <schestowitz> If that makes me "controversial", fineNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:19] <jono> your avatar on twitterNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:20] <jono> is that you? your son?Nov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:20] <schestowitz> But it's suggestive, implying I provoke on purposeNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:20] <schestowitz> it's me, I haven't started a family yet, maybe in 10 yearsNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:20] <schestowitz> Does Mark S still avoid relationships?Nov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:20] <schestowitz> Cause he stepped back from Canonical a bitNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:21] <jono> he has a girlfriendNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:21] <jono> he hasn't stepped back from CanonicsalNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:21] <jono> CanonicalNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:21] <schestowitz> That's what I thought, so less time for CanonicalNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:21] <jono> he is just leading the design teamNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:21] <jono> oh no, he is working everyday for CanonicalNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:21] <jono> I see his calendar, the man is a machine :-)Nov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:21] <schestowitz> Good for him, it'll quiet down the Ubuntu haters who call him "Gay"Nov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:21] <jono> he is certainly not gayNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:22] <jono> quite why anyone's sexual orientation would matter, I don't knowNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:22] <schestowitz> Peer pressure to drive people into starting families earlyNov 15 09:49
schestowitz[07:22] <schestowitz> it matters to trollsNov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:22] <schestowitz> You probably know how they operateNov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:22] <jono> I am broadly familiar with trollsNov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:23] <jono> everyone has a passion, people express it in different waysNov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:23] <schestowitz> Some of them (the nasty type) start messaging the wife/g/f, telling her bad things about the Linux advocateNov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:23] <schestowitz> That's the same w/ employersNov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:23] <schestowitz> Which is why I keep my personal life away from the publicNov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:23] <jono> I can understand thatNov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/041c077f097111a4#Nov 15 09:50
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schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> "Nov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> Why doesn't Linux Ubuntu icon Jono Bacon,(Jonathan Edward James Bacon)Nov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> use Ubuntu Studio for his home studio?Nov 15 09:50
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> He uses Windows 7 not Linux.Nov 15 09:52
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/10/reasons-why-i-love-my-desktop/Nov 15 09:52
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> "In addition to my Ubuntu machines, I have a Windows 7 machine that powers myNov 15 09:52
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> home studio."Nov 15 09:52
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> So why not Ubuntu Studio?Nov 15 09:52
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schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> Not good enough for you?Nov 15 09:52
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> I can understand that. Really I can.Nov 15 09:52
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> "Nov 15 09:52
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> See?Nov 15 09:52
schestowitzYou got it right, I guessNov 15 09:52
schestowitzI wasn't happy with your heckling jono over itNov 15 09:53
MinceRi'm sure someone will try to smear me about it nowNov 15 09:53
schestowitzBut I didn't want to argue about it too much, eitherNov 15 09:53
schestowitzI can't help but feel maybe the COLA trolls picked this from IRCNov 15 09:53
schestowitzThe FUD pointNov 15 09:53
MinceRi guess that's why you didn't want to talk about itNov 15 09:53
schestowitzCause they read IRCNov 15 09:53
schestowitz[07:24] <schestowitz> See?Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:25] <schestowitz> "Messages 1 - 10 of 68"Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> And also: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/9a15efd1301de6ac#Nov 15 09:54
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schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> "Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> .   Morris TripperNov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> View profileNov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> The fucking idiot SackOShitz has to use a Windows program at work and he's all bent out of shape about it. Poor thing. I'll bet he's pissing off everyone of his co-workers with his Linux shit. http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/irc-log-techrights- 11112010.html schestowitz     There's an MRI viewer I need that's a windows binary    [Nov 11 08:39Nov 15 09:54
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schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> More options Nov 12, 7:25 pmNov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacyNov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> From: Morris Tripper <mtripper19...@valwall.edu>Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:25:25 +0000 (UTC)Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> Local: Fri, Nov 12 2010 7:25 pmNov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> Subject: SackOShitz discovers the real world.Nov 15 09:54
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schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> The fucking idiot SackOShitz has to use a Windows program at work and he'sNov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> all bent out of shape about it.Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> Poor thing.Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> I'll bet he's pissing off everyone of his co-workers with his Linux shit.Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/irc-log-techrights-Nov 15 09:54
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schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> 11112010.htmlNov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> schestowitz     There's an MRI viewer I need that's a windows binary    [Nov 11Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> 08:39Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:26] <schestowitz> "Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> "Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> I find this all a little baffling though.Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> Our friend here is obviously afraid of Roy.  Am I to understand that youNov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> think that he thinks that Roy is as powerful as Microsoft, or China?Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> Surely not?Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> So why is he so afraid of Roy, I wonder?Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> "Nov 15 09:54
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> Heh.Nov 15 09:55
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> People comparing attack on person to attack on MicrosoftNov 15 09:55
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> Like people who said it's OK to attack me cause I criticise NovellNov 15 09:55
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> Novell=4000 peopleNov 15 09:55
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> me=one personNov 15 09:55
schestowitz[07:27] <schestowitz> So it makes no bloody senseNov 15 09:55
schestowitz[07:28] <schestowitz> ANd here they start harassing the person's wife:Nov 15 09:55
schestowitz[07:28] <schestowitz> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/9a15efd1301de6ac#Nov 15 09:55
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schestowitz[07:29] <jono> I just stay out of all that mostlyNov 15 09:55
schestowitz[07:29] <jono> just not worth the effortNov 15 09:55
schestowitz[07:29] <schestowitz> Freaky stuffNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:29] <schestowitz> He shows the person's house and stuffNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:29] <schestowitz> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/a5eb11a9be897f9a#Nov 15 09:56
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schestowitz[07:29] <schestowitz> Once again this old lieNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:30] <schestowitz> Which they 'planted' in the WebNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:31] <schestowitz> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/98ce2244ee51da0c#Nov 15 09:56
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schestowitz[07:31] <schestowitz> I haven't posted in this newsgroup really since JulyNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:31] <schestowitz> And they still troll me in ABSENTIANov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:34] <jono> erkNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:34] <jono> I am staying well out of all of thatNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:34] <schestowitz> yesNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:34] <schestowitz> the criminal type of trollNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:34] <schestowitz> net stalkking, libel, etc.Nov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:34] <jono> rightNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:35] <jono> well, I am heading to bedNov 15 09:56
schestowitz[07:35] <jono> night!Nov 15 09:56
schestowitzbblNov 15 09:56
MinceRi guess it would be nice to have a non-logged channel once againNov 15 09:57
schestowitzhttp://www.alternet.org/economy/148821/goldman_sachs_boss_complains_about_%27only%27_making_$9_million_--_if_only_we_had_problems_like_thatNov 15 09:57
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MinceRto make the trolls' work more difficultNov 15 09:57
schestowitzMinceR: you said this in #techrightsNov 15 09:57
schestowitzSo it was obviously seen by everyoneNov 15 09:57
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-gregory/vatican-confirms-goldman_b_351688.htmlNov 15 09:58
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schestowitzbblNov 15 09:59
MinceRyes, but it was also discussed hereNov 15 10:02
MinceRand now we're discussing it hereNov 15 10:03
schestowitzDoesn't matterNov 15 10:03
schestowitzI really gotta go, but keep finding excuses to stay :-)Nov 15 10:03
schestowitzAnd [H]omer is bac. I hope he stays aroundNov 15 10:06
schestowitzHe created our IRC channelsNov 15 10:06
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MinceRhttp://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/25264a44-3e76-4a3c-bb50-a48c20f35e84.jpgNov 15 12:27
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schestowitz*LOL*Nov 15 12:36
Quadrescenceschestowitz: it looks like we woke up at the same timeNov 15 12:59
schestowitzI woke up around 5:30Nov 15 12:59
schestowitzmy connection fell before midnightNov 15 13:00
schestowitzSo I went to bedNov 15 13:00
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/MathematicaNov 15 13:01
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schestowitzViews over 100 timesNov 15 13:01
Quadrescence:oNov 15 13:02
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schestowitz"Most people don't understand it.  It is a fancy term for printing more money - $600 Billion more.  I don't know about you but to me printing more money means what I have will be worth less and what I buy will cost more.  This plan of total transfer of wealth excellerated under the Bush Administration is continuing under the"Change We Can Co9unt ON" Obama Administration.  I guess the slogan is correct, "change we can count...Nov 15 13:54
schestowitz. "Nov 15 13:54
schestowitzhttp://barackobama666com.blogspot.com/2010/11/barack-obamas-quantitave-easing.htmlNov 15 13:54
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schestowitzJust got a reply from he inventor of tagging :-)Nov 15 14:56
schestowitz*theNov 15 14:56
schestowitz"I appreciate your prompt response and look forward to complementary interaction which can help drive your method even further. I've read several of your papers with great interest."Nov 15 14:56
schestowitzNYU groupNov 15 15:00
schestowitz"Thanks! I will attend the talk. Also, Leon agreed to send us some tagged data."Nov 15 15:00
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schestowitz[21:26] <Slated> Hi Roy!Nov 15 23:07
schestowitz[21:27] <schestowitz> Hey!Nov 15 23:07
schestowitz[21:27] <schestowitz> Recording a show at the momentNov 15 23:07
schestowitz[21:27] <Slated> Lon g time no speakNov 15 23:07
schestowitz[21:27] <Slated> Another podcastNov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:27] <schestowitz> yeah :-)Nov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:28] <Slated> Same format as last time?Nov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:28] <Slated> Any guests? :)Nov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:28] <schestowitz> 3 of usNov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:28] <Slated> Who's no3Nov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:28] <schestowitz> Gordon from ScotlandNov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:28] <Slated> AhNov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:28] <schestowitz> We should have you on nextNov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:28] <Slated> What's he famous for?Nov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:28] <schestowitz> I can't talk nowNov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:29] <Slated> kNov 15 23:08
schestowitz[21:29] <schestowitz> I type near micNov 15 23:08
schestowitzCool, he's back!Nov 15 23:08
oiaohmReally I should be my normal warped self at some point.  schestowitz and use a speech synth.Nov 15 23:09
oiaohmhttp://www.ghacks.net/2010/11/13/windows-phone-locks-in-microsd-cards/  Seen this?  schestowitzNov 15 23:10
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schestowitzoiaohm: yeahNov 15 23:10
schestowitzHaven't had time to write about it todayNov 15 23:10
schestowitzI'm off work tomorrow, so I'll cover itNov 15 23:10
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/10/girls-disrupted-childhoods-pregnant-youngerNov 15 06:31
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schestowitzHey, [H]omer!Nov 15 10:01
schestowitzyou're markled as away, I'll speak to you later thenNov 15 10:01
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/10/girls-disrupted-childhoods-pregnant-youngerNov 15 06:31
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schestowitzHey, [H]omer!Nov 15 10:01
schestowitzyou're markled as away, I'll speak to you later thenNov 15 10:01
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/10/girls-disrupted-childhoods-pregnant-youngerNov 15 06:31
TechrightsBotTitle:  Girls who have disrupted childhoods get pregnant younger, study suggests | Science | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 148.5 KBNov 15 06:31
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schestowitzHey, [H]omer!Nov 15 10:01
schestowitzyou're markled as away, I'll speak to you later thenNov 15 10:01
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/nov/10/girls-disrupted-childhoods-pregnant-youngerNov 15 06:31
TechrightsBotTitle:  Girls who have disrupted childhoods get pregnant younger, study suggests | Science | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 148.5 KBNov 15 06:31
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schestowitzHey, [H]omer!Nov 15 10:01
schestowitzyou're markled as away, I'll speak to you later thenNov 15 10:01
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schestowitzAnd we covered it on today's showNov 15 23:11
schestowitzAfter ~1:15:00Nov 15 23:11
oiaohmMs is no longer convert about lock in.Nov 15 23:14
oiaohmI wish I could find the quotes at the start of RTF of MS complaining about lockin.Nov 15 23:14
schestowitzNew video that's quite well made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0vggXUcWaUNov 15 23:33
TechrightsBot-scTitle:     YouTube        - What Is God?   .::. Size~: 152.93 KBNov 15 23:33
schestowitzLinks xx/11/2010: Links for the dayNov 15 23:36
schestowitz<div style="background: url(/images/boycott-novell-links.jpg)">Nov 15 23:36
schestowitz<p><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/120px-Gartoon-Bluefish-icon.png" border="0" align="right" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="GNOME bluefish" />Nov 15 23:36
schestowitz<h3>Contents</h3>Nov 15 23:36
schestowitz<ul>Nov 15 23:36
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