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schestowitzOdd thing...Nov 04 00:10
schestowitzComputer crashes during the night, would not quite igniteNov 04 00:10
schestowitzTook out almost all cables and it would go this once.. seems like hardware problemNov 04 00:11
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*schestowitz backs up all the files on main partitionNov 04 00:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] <<back to writing !NaNoWriMoNov 04 00:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 didn't know that. Anyway, booting for first time in a month, backing up asap in case this recurs. Very odd, hard to pin down issue.Nov 04 00:20
schestowitz@qu1j0t3 didn't know that. Anyway, booting for first time in a month, backing up asap in case this recurs. Very odd, hard to pin down issue.Nov 04 00:20
schestowitz^^it will probably happen againNov 04 00:21
schestowitzAny advice on whether I should try to reproduce the issue?Nov 04 00:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] what do you do when someone makes you feel like crap?Nov 04 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz I haven't checked 4 unusual solar activity. Just weird how many ppl I know are reporting inexplicable computer problems this wkNov 04 00:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] waiting for #sabayon5.4 #xfce #lxde spinNov 04 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 I am still trying to decide whether I should try to reproduce the problem to find out what's causing it or just ignore while I canNov 04 00:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz I always suggest an overnight memtest86 as a first measure. Then you can rule RAM in or out.Nov 04 00:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] i am running #wget on my desktop to download a file. how can i watch the process on my netbook using #ssh?Nov 04 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 here's the thing. Computer power fell while asleep. Then would show red light when trying to switch on, no BIOS, nothing.Tried agn.Nov 04 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz Oh right, so not typical RAM failure mode. PSU? Keep an eye on it. Data prob safe. Wise man to Backup tho :)Nov 04 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 maybe a coincidence, but after ~15 failed attempts to start up, took out all wires but power, then it booted into BIOS ok.Nov 04 00:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 yes, psu I reckoned all along (symptoms). backup was intended to allow to move to another pc while repairing this one, if neededNov 04 00:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 when it eventually booted it ruled out fried mobo parts, which is what I dreaded the most (expensive, long time to fix)Nov 04 00:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A Tale of Two Computers http://ur.ly/qHX7 !linux vs #windows experience, also another PSU issue (apparently like mine today)Nov 04 01:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @seeds start wget with -c and -b flags. It will create a wget.log file you can watch with tail.Nov 04 01:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] From Arch to !Ubuntu http://ur.ly/r4Ag "I just wished Ubuntu would give a bit more back to a community it takes so much from." !linuxNov 04 01:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] had to install wine last night 4 1st time in ~6 years. A program from work needed it (I never use win). Wine works _very_ well at this stageNov 04 01:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] @harishpillay thks. i did start it with -c flag.Nov 04 01:26
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schestowitz" haha what is that supposed to mean"Nov 04 01:29
schestowitzI reckon it's best to ask the author. I've always said Ubuntu contributes in other ways, not to be slagged off.Nov 04 01:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @seeds -b runs it in the background. You can ^Z now, bg it and tail -f wget.logNov 04 01:30
schestowitzoiaohm: hiNov 04 01:30
schestowitzI have a question for you...Nov 04 01:30
oiaohmYes?  schestowitzNov 04 01:31
schestowitz"@schestowitz Or maybe solar activity! A lot of people I know are having weird computer problems this week." --FurnaceBOYNov 04 01:31
schestowitz"@schestowitz yeah friend also seems to be having psu prob (ram tested ok)... machine hangs"Nov 04 01:32
schestowitzoiaohm: Have you notices anything similar in your datacentre/s?Nov 04 01:32
schestowitzCause I seem to have a dodgy PSUNov 04 01:32
schestowitzCouldn't start up this morningNov 04 01:32
cubezzzI've seen power supplies from 1996 that still work, and olderNov 04 01:32
schestowitzAfter pulling out all cables but power I managed to get it started upNov 04 01:33
cubezzz1993 evenNov 04 01:33
cubezzz;-)Nov 04 01:33
schestowitzcubezzz: yeah...Nov 04 01:33
schestowitzBTWNov 04 01:33
schestowitzDid you see my link to your mp3?Nov 04 01:33
cubezzzyesNov 04 01:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] @harishpillay k. thanks for the great infoNov 04 01:33
schestowitzAlso......Nov 04 01:33
oiaohmPSU suspect are normal events.Nov 04 01:33
schestowitzcubezzz: could you rush the cron job that passes the logs to the server space?Nov 04 01:33
schestowitzCause I missed ~5 hours of logsNov 04 01:33
cubezzzhmmm? well I can just run it manuallyNov 04 01:34
schestowitzyeahNov 04 01:34
oiaohmNothing strange with the number computers I deal with for there to be atleast 4 replacements a week.Nov 04 01:34
schestowitzcubezzz: you suimmarise all your time with all the OSes in half an hourNov 04 01:34
schestowitzI found that interesting and well presentedNov 04 01:34
oiaohmIe 4 psu replacements spreed between us on the servers.Nov 04 01:34
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oiaohmWindows servers have had some strange mail issue due to a blacklister being a pain in the ass.Nov 04 01:35
cubezzzwell, I worked from point form notes... and I cut out a lot of stuff Nov 04 01:35
schestowitzoiaohm: would you ignore the problem or try to reproduce it? I've made backups an hour ago till nowNov 04 01:35
cubezzzok, logs should be more up to date nowNov 04 01:35
oiaohmWith suspect PSU we normally auto bugget replacing them about 1 ever  2 years.Nov 04 01:36
schestowitzoiaohm: I'm thinking, wait for second PSU mess (assuming that's the issue) before calling it recurring or chronicNov 04 01:36
oiaohmIssue here is how old is the machine schestowitzNov 04 01:36
schestowitz2.5 yearsNov 04 01:36
oiaohmAnd how many hours of operation has it done.Nov 04 01:37
schestowitzall the timeNov 04 01:37
schestowitzSInce it was boughtNov 04 01:37
oiaohmAnd what brand.Nov 04 01:37
schestowitzIt's assembled by NovatechNov 04 01:37
oiaohmPlease be gigabyte or some other super solid brand motherboard.Nov 04 01:37
schestowitzBritish companyNov 04 01:37
oiaohmWhat type of caps.Nov 04 01:37
schestowitzNot sure what mobo maker...Nov 04 01:37
cubezzzone thing I started doing a few years back is log all power supply failures, and replacement datesNov 04 01:37
schestowitzcaps?Nov 04 01:37
cubezzzcapacitors :)Nov 04 01:38
oiaohmcapactors on the motherboard.Nov 04 01:38
schestowitzNever checkedNov 04 01:38
oiaohmSolid states yes or not.Nov 04 01:38
schestowitzssd? no.Nov 04 01:38
schestowitzOr something elseNov 04 01:38
schestowitzSolid state capacitor?Nov 04 01:38
oiaohmIf not solids the on motherboard powersystem could be fried.Nov 04 01:38
cubezzza power supply should really last more than 2.5 years normallyNov 04 01:38
oiaohmWith normal usage yes.  cubezzzNov 04 01:38
schestowitzoiaohm: probably not friedNov 04 01:39
oiaohmConstant on not so much.Nov 04 01:39
schestowitzCause I use this machine nowNov 04 01:39
schestowitzBut I suspect it could fall over again at any momentNov 04 01:39
schestowitz schestowitz_log Nov 04 01:39:26 <cubezzz>with UPS schestowitz?Nov 04 01:39
oiaohmFried gives intermited power breaks because it can no longer power manage correctly.Nov 04 01:39
schestowitzNoNov 04 01:39
cubezzzthat should improve the lifespanNov 04 01:39
schestowitzNo outageNov 04 01:39
schestowitzI know cause nearby appliances ran okNov 04 01:39
cubezzzwell you could have tons of brown-outsNov 04 01:40
cubezzzand never really know Nov 04 01:40
schestowitzoiaohm: it did get powerNov 04 01:40
schestowitzIt just wouldn't start up seqeuenceNov 04 01:40
schestowitzRed light showing, fan and all would run, never show bios or anythingNov 04 01:40
schestowitzLike a failure to get something goingNov 04 01:41
oiaohmYou are aware that motherboard check if power feed is stable before kicking up bios.Nov 04 01:41
cubezzzoh if you could do one thing... it would be a bit better to link to cubexyz.blogspot.com rather than maxhost.org since you were good enough to make two linksNov 04 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] @harishpillay man this is working nice. good stuff. you are leetNov 04 01:41
schestowitzcubezzz: okNov 04 01:41
schestowitzhold on..Nov 04 01:41
oiaohmSo if motherboard powersupply circuit caps have died or power supply box has part died.  Motherboard can refuse to start.Nov 04 01:42
oiaohmThen next time you fire power can read right so it fires up like nothing is wrong.Nov 04 01:42
oiaohmBut its only a short term excape it will get worse.Nov 04 01:43
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schestowitzoiaohm: yeahNov 04 01:43
oiaohmAnd the evil problem I have here is we don't know what part is dead. schestowitzNov 04 01:43
schestowitzI usually back up every 3 nights or soNov 04 01:43
schestowitzNot I'll back up nightly, but...Nov 04 01:44
oiaohmIf it the motherboard circuit it can ruin any new powersupply box you connect.Nov 04 01:44
schestowitzShould I maybe try to power off and on again?Nov 04 01:44
schestowitzJust to see if I have a bad PSU in my hands, still?Nov 04 01:44
cubezzzit's very often the power supplyNov 04 01:44
schestowitzIgnoring this won't have it fixedNov 04 01:44
oiaohmYou are behind a UPS.Nov 04 01:44
schestowitzNoNov 04 01:45
oiaohmReally for the work you do.  You are nuts not to have a UPS.Nov 04 01:45
cubezzzseconded ;0Nov 04 01:45
schestowitzI don't run a server thoughNov 04 01:45
oiaohmUPS straight up rules out some from of old ball power dip in your area.Nov 04 01:45
schestowitzI should really  try to ensure I can boot again, otherwise get that fixed todayNov 04 01:46
oiaohmYou have at least a decent line filter on it.Nov 04 01:46
cubezzzcheap way to extend the life of your machineNov 04 01:46
oiaohmPower supply are not bomb proff.  schestowitzNov 04 01:46
schestowitzI knowNov 04 01:46
schestowitzBut I rarely have outagesNov 04 01:46
schestowitzLast time was maybe over a year agoNov 04 01:46
cubezzzelectrical storms?Nov 04 01:47
cubezzzmany ways for things to mess upNov 04 01:47
oiaohmWorst thing that can happen is a power dip and straight back rize causing the 12 volt rail to serage internal in the computer to about 18 volts.Nov 04 01:47
oiaohmWhat is basically all hard drives dead.Nov 04 01:47
schestowitzNot external onesNov 04 01:47
cubezzzyou run all external? :)Nov 04 01:47
schestowitzNoNov 04 01:47
schestowitzBut I have it mirroredNov 04 01:47
oiaohmExternal ones have the same weakness in there power brick.  schestowitzNov 04 01:47
schestowitzAnyway, should I try to see if I can get the PSU to work now that I have a fresh backup?Nov 04 01:48
oiaohmGood line filter or UPS means this cannot happen.Nov 04 01:48
schestowitzoiaohm: I switch them off after backupNov 04 01:48
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schestowitzoiaohm: should I stress-test the PSU now?Nov 04 01:49
oiaohmAnd the annoy part  good line filter and UPS here is about 20 dollars different.Nov 04 01:49
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schestowitzAs in reboot a few times to ensure it's just a one-time mess?Nov 04 01:49
oiaohmPSU are assholes.Nov 04 01:49
schestowitzThursday gives me more day for shop service before weekendNov 04 01:49
oiaohmThere is no test that can dependable detect they are failed until they complete fail.Nov 04 01:49
schestowitzI should  really try a boot again...Nov 04 01:50
schestowitzBack in a moNov 04 01:50
oiaohmIf they are hot/cold/humid/dry.... Basically anything weatherNov 04 01:50
schestowitzUnless you think it's not worth doing.Nov 04 01:50
cubezzzoiaohm, I tell people to keep an extra power supply on handNov 04 01:50
oiaohmCan change the result.Nov 04 01:50
oiaohmThen the load and so on.Nov 04 01:50
cubezzzthen your downtime is lessNov 04 01:50
schestowitzcubezzz: if they know how to connect it themselvesNov 04 01:50
schestowitzI never changed PSU, but it seems easy enoughNov 04 01:51
oiaohmYes a spare powersupply for systems that must stay running is handy.Nov 04 01:51
cubezzzwell i can pop over and put it in... so it's nice to have it right there Nov 04 01:51
oiaohmPSU change is simple as long as you are not stupid with wires.Nov 04 01:51
schestowitzAnd I can't buy one if I'm not sure it's the problemNov 04 01:51
oiaohmAlso when you do power off check all plugs on PSU for melting.Nov 04 01:51
cubezzzonly prob is no AT supplies for really old machinesNov 04 01:52
oiaohmYes serously melting.Nov 04 01:52
oiaohmIf the motherboard circuit is stuffed it normally overdraws at times.Nov 04 01:52
oiaohmSo melting the plugs.Nov 04 01:52
oiaohmIf you find that don't bother about a new powersupply.Nov 04 01:52
oiaohmIts new machine time.Nov 04 01:52
cubezzzalso no -5V rail nowadaysNov 04 01:53
oiaohmSame goes for the reset of the motherboard.  You know what poped caps look like schestowitz?Nov 04 01:53
oiaohmIe old style electronic caps should be a cilender with a top that is indented.Nov 04 01:54
oiaohmIf they are popped out they are stuffed.  schestowitzNov 04 01:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Switching off machine for hardware testing in a moment. If there's a problem, might be offline for a while.Nov 04 01:55
oiaohmNothing is worst than inserting a new powersupply to watch it fry because the motherboard was toast.Nov 04 01:55
schestowitzHow much does a typical PSU cost?Nov 04 01:55
cubezzzabout $60Nov 04 01:55
schestowitzThe people here rip you off for installing oneNov 04 01:55
oiaohmGood one is around 60 AUDNov 04 01:55
schestowitzThat's an expensive componentNov 04 01:55
oiaohmCheep crap is about 20 AUDNov 04 01:55
schestowitzcubezzz: CAD?Nov 04 01:55
schestowitz schestowitz_log Nov 04 01:55:56 <oiaohm>And I do mean cheap crap.Nov 04 01:55
oiaohmThe bugger does not know how to turn off.Nov 04 01:56
cubezzzschestowitz, yes that is for a pretty good oneNov 04 01:56
oiaohmIn the cheep crap.Nov 04 01:56
schestowitz[05:53] <oiaohm> Same goes for the reset of the motherboard.  You know what poped caps look like schestowitz?Nov 04 01:56
schestowitzNoNov 04 01:56
oiaohmAnd does not generate as stable power as it should.Nov 04 01:56
cubezzzand evidently if you don't need it don't get like an 800 watt supply if you don't even need 200 wattsNov 04 01:56
cubezzzit's wastefulNov 04 01:57
Quadrescenceschestowitz: caps can look expanded or puffed ypNov 04 01:57
Quadrescenceup*Nov 04 01:57
cubezzzless heat is betterNov 04 01:57
cubezzzand with a UPS you should be able to tell the loadNov 04 01:58
schestowitzoiaohm: http://www.google.com/images?hl=&q=psu+popped+capsNov 04 01:59
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schestowitzhttp://www.tomshardware.com/forum/290036-28-firecrackers-deadNov 04 02:00
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oiaohmhttp://www.jebswebsite.com/misc_pics/ibm_mobo_capacitors.jpg  << Yep this is a good picture of what bugged looks like schestowitzNov 04 02:00
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schestowitzQuadrescence: but how can you tell if they are bad?Nov 04 02:00
schestowitzI am looking into something which works at the moment but did not work beforeNov 04 02:01
oiaohmBasically the silver section on that type of cap should be either flat or indented.Nov 04 02:01
schestowitzSurely I could just ignore it for now and only test this for failure if there's a second power failureNov 04 02:01
oiaohmIf its raised its stuffed.Nov 04 02:01
oiaohmVery much like child safe containers.  schestowitzNov 04 02:01
oiaohmOppsNov 04 02:01
schestowitzoiaohm: what would you recommend? Ignore it for now and open the box only if/when the problem happens again?Nov 04 02:01
oiaohmI would recommend a good inspect.Nov 04 02:02
oiaohmCheck for bad caps.Nov 04 02:02
schestowitzI'm just thinking, 1 failure is 1 in large sample setNov 04 02:02
oiaohmCheck for melted plugs.Nov 04 02:02
schestowitzNeed at least two to be able to actually same anything about recurrenceNov 04 02:02
schestowitz[06:02] <oiaohm> Check for bad caps.Nov 04 02:03
oiaohmProblem is you normally get at least 1 waring of a power supply problem.Nov 04 02:03
schestowitzBut I risk not being able to boot againNov 04 02:03
oiaohmNot being able to boot would be a good outcome.Nov 04 02:03
schestowitzoiaohm: but in my situation, would you carry on and wait for a second incident?Nov 04 02:03
oiaohmWorse is the power supply is on it last legs and sergus.Nov 04 02:03
oiaohmSo leaving everything in the machine dead.Nov 04 02:04
oiaohmYou can normally see tell tail signs in the plugs and caps before that happens.Nov 04 02:04
oiaohmIf you look.Nov 04 02:04
schestowitzI can't tell them apartNov 04 02:04
oiaohmIf you play wait and see you are playing with fire.Nov 04 02:04
schestowitzSo you think it could fry something else, assuming it's PSU-related?Nov 04 02:05
oiaohmhttp://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Blog_Stuff/Capacitors.jpg   left is fine right is stuffed  schestowitzNov 04 02:06
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oiaohmNotice the left is basically flat on the top.Nov 04 02:07
oiaohmIt not that hard to tell appart.Nov 04 02:07
oiaohmIf it PSU releated that is the issue.  If PSU majorally screws up it likes taking everything with it.Nov 04 02:07
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oiaohmThe melted one is also very simple to detect.  PSU plugs going into motherboard should be the same color.Nov 04 02:09
oiaohmIf they have got hot or melted they discolour and become a non even color.Nov 04 02:09
oiaohmIe normally darker where they are burnt.  schestowitzNov 04 02:10
oiaohmI am not talking major operation is more have a very good look.  I guess you do have a digital cam.  schestowitzNov 04 02:11
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oiaohmIf you are not sure take a photo of it.   What I am looking for kinda sticks out like a saw thumb.Nov 04 02:12
oiaohmOnce you know what you are looking at.Nov 04 02:12
oiaohmI do a basically PC maintaince courses from time to time and cover general health inspects when doing general pc cleaning.Nov 04 02:13
schestowitzoiaohm: oh, I see the difference nowNov 04 02:13
oiaohmIts not hard to spot at all once you know where to look.Nov 04 02:14
schestowitzoiaohm: yeah, well, computer hardware was never my fieldNov 04 02:14
schestowitzExcept chip designNov 04 02:14
schestowitzoiaohm: OK, let me look....Nov 04 02:15
oiaohmAlso when ever you clean a computer out ie 1 every 12 months on carpet or what I call computer fluff gernator.Nov 04 02:15
oiaohmYou should check the caps while you are doing it.Nov 04 02:15
schestowitzokNov 04 02:16
schestowitzoffliningNov 04 02:16
QuadrescenceawwwNov 04 02:16
QuadrescenceI was just going to ask schestowitz a questionNov 04 02:16
schestowitzgo aheadNov 04 02:16
Quadrescencedo you have a job related to your degreeNov 04 02:17
schestowitzyes, why?Nov 04 02:18
Quadrescencejust wondering. if the answer was "no" then I could probably get you to get me a job :DNov 04 02:18
schestowitz schestowitz_log Nov 04 02:20:31 <schestowitz>what field are you in?Nov 04 02:19
schestowitzDiploma-wise?Nov 04 02:20
schestowitzOr in terms of numerical analysis?Nov 04 02:20
schestowitzI'm quite lucky actuallyNov 04 02:21
schestowitzCause the last time I went to job interviews was like 2003Nov 04 02:21
oiaohmAnd that is the other thing.  schestowitzNov 04 02:21
oiaohmTech lesson.Nov 04 02:21
schestowitzI got one in London, but rejected the offer and went on to doing a phd instead, which was wise cause pure CS in the UK is rubbishNov 04 02:21
schestowitzFor pure CS graduates in the UK there's almost zero chance of getting a job now, unless they have loads of experienceNov 04 02:22
oiaohmNever ever go inspecting in a machine with possible suspect caps with the power on.   Caps can go off like fireworks without notice.  schestowitzNov 04 02:22
schestowitzIn the UK, among graduates they say that 70 people compete for any openingNov 04 02:22
oiaohmIf they are part way gone. schestowitzNov 04 02:22
schestowitzThat may mean that, on average, you'll have to try 70 times before finding a jobNov 04 02:22
schestowitzFor me I sort of found a way through the back door, not having to go through interviewsNov 04 02:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @rahulsundaram "Look at what's happening with !Fedora with respect to its ditching of copyright assignments" http://ur1.ca/29hf5Nov 04 02:23
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oiaohmBefore my current job I had 120 interviews.Nov 04 02:23
oiaohmAnd then I end up getting the job without a interview.Nov 04 02:23
schestowitz120. wow.Nov 04 02:24
schestowitzIn a row?Nov 04 02:24
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cubezzzwho you know probably trumps what you knowNov 04 02:24
oiaohmPut it this way I don't present well in interviews.Nov 04 02:24
cubezzztoo many Microsoft environments oiaohm? :)Nov 04 02:24
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, everyone says thatNov 04 02:24
schestowitzThey put people with a face before people witha  CVNov 04 02:24
oiaohmI am the guy say do prac demo of what I can do and I get the job every time.Nov 04 02:25
schestowitzSo people whom they already know are harder to say "no" toNov 04 02:25
oiaohmMost people look at my CV and go no way can he be skilled in all that.Nov 04 02:25
cubezzzpersonal skills do count for something :)Nov 04 02:25
oiaohmI am a odd ball I have not specialised in a single field.Nov 04 02:25
schestowitzThat's why I don't go to interviews, even if someone arranges one for me.... can imagine the multiple stages, many candidates, waste of time.Nov 04 02:25
oiaohmI am the all rounder.Nov 04 02:25
schestowitzI've seen people waste months of their lives doing interviews, learning about companies that would not work for and brushing up skills they would not needNov 04 02:26
oiaohmTrainer, tech, network admin, data entery operate.Nov 04 02:26
schestowitzanyway, booting niowNov 04 02:26
cubezzzcompanies always need good operations peopleNov 04 02:26
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oiaohmdata recovery.Nov 04 02:26
oiaohmBasic yes I am good operations person.Nov 04 02:26
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oiaohmI also have the problem that one interview I made a mistake.Nov 04 02:27
oiaohmThey asked me how I would track stolen paper work.Nov 04 02:27
oiaohmI said I would just watermark it.Nov 04 02:28
oiaohmTurned out that I had the skills to trace stolen paper work they did not want me.Nov 04 02:28
cubezzzha, but how could you know that before hand?Nov 04 02:29
oiaohmIt was for a local council.Nov 04 02:29
oiaohmThat should have been a hint.Nov 04 02:29
oiaohmHow many of them are above board.Nov 04 02:29
cubezzzthat is depressing oiaohm :-/Nov 04 02:30
oiaohmBut its true.Nov 04 02:30
oiaohmhttp://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/10/27/microsoft-security-essentials-now-offered-via-windows-update/Nov 04 02:32
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oiaohmNice timing MS.Nov 04 02:32
cubezzzoiaohm, you could have said your an expert Steganographer and you like to read Sherlock Holmes stories :)Nov 04 02:33
cubezzzyou would have got the boot even fasterNov 04 02:33
oiaohmI type at 75 words per min.Nov 04 02:34
oiaohmAnd are trained in dictor phone usage.Nov 04 02:34
Quadrescenceare you guys offering me jobsNov 04 02:34
oiaohmSo basically yes almost as bad as a StegonographerNov 04 02:34
oiaohmReally some of the tech I am playing with at moment is true big brother.Nov 04 02:35
oiaohmFace regonotition tracing movement threw building real time.Nov 04 02:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Oh Dear, in Italy the prostitutes now summon press conferences. O tempora, o mora!Nov 04 02:36
oiaohmYou are most likely in the wrong country.  But what field are you.  QuadrescenceNov 04 02:37
QuadrescenceI don't really have an official field.Nov 04 02:37
QuadrescenceBut I do mathematics and programming ;)Nov 04 02:37
oiaohmmathematics I normally stay clear of.Nov 04 02:37
oiaohmPrograming normal evil stuff other people will not touch.Nov 04 02:38
oiaohmLike data storage conversions.Nov 04 02:38
oiaohmI guess stuff you would not enjoy.Nov 04 02:38
oiaohmHeck I don't.Nov 04 02:38
QuadrescenceI only program boring stuffNov 04 02:39
Quadrescencein C or lisp ;)Nov 04 02:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] What's next? Whorecracy?Nov 04 02:40
oiaohmThe  languges I use.  C c++ php python java.   So far never had to use perlNov 04 02:41
oiaohmYes task sets language.Nov 04 02:41
cubezzzPerl is OKNov 04 02:41
cubezzzbetter than awk :)Nov 04 02:42
oiaohmI find for data conversion php python and java are neater in most cases than perl.Nov 04 02:42
oiaohmAnd when they don't work c++ on Qt normally works out still neater than perl.Nov 04 02:42
oiaohmReally I would have to be getting desperated for data conversion to be using perl.Nov 04 02:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Some explanation: the saying is "o tempora, o mores" but a key figure in rec. events is Lele Mora - suppose not that famous elsewhere ;)Nov 04 02:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] what can I say, I was "inspired" by the latest round of "thou must call it GNU / Linux" circles http://bit.ly/ckR3JnNov 04 03:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] graphics manipulation is not my strong suit btwNov 04 03:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Minutes and audio recording of yesterday's conference call available: http://ur1.ca/29i4sNov 04 03:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @mairin does your kickstart file somehow manage to avoid installing the non-Free kernel that Fedora ships? I'd love to see it if so. TIA,Nov 04 03:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Murdoch's bid to take control of BSKYB is being referred to OFCOM, no links to point to yet. #corporatenewsNov 04 03:38
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schestowitzok, no popped capsNov 04 03:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @beginlinux: A great tutorial on installing #Photoshop CS5 in #Ubuntu Maverick 10.10 http://bit.ly/bJppmm #gnu #linuxNov 04 03:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mostafada: The !Fedora 15 release name is: LovelockNov 04 03:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @dandart: !Ubuntu vs. windows Memory Requirements: http://cityblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ubuntu-vs-Windows.jpgNov 04 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @CHodgesmusic "You have to dig it to dig it. You dig?" ~ Mingus !qNov 04 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mohanpram: Samsung Has First Wi-Fi Direct Smartphone: Tech News « http://ur1.ca/29f1l (via @seeds)Nov 04 03:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Linus Torvalds Live! Video QA from right before he jumped into the Giant Ocean Tank http://bit.ly/bKvg4L #linuxNov 04 03:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @galileo: Party de lancement !Fedora 14 et !RHEL 6 - !Québec, Canada. http://3.ly/VRgd le 25 novembre!Nov 04 03:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Listening to @AllisonCrowe "Lisa's Song" <<FLACs really are better!Nov 04 03:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz Or maybe solar activity! A lot of people I know are having weird computer problems this week.Nov 04 03:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @all1nfo: ANDROID #news: Microsoft: Windows Phone 7 is Easier than iPhone, Android, BlackBerry http://bit.ly/aGmRH2 !android #androidandmeNov 04 03:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @chicagonpg: !Fedora 14 Reference Sheet http://is.gd/gH1OZNov 04 03:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @beginlinux: Ubuntu 10.10 vs Fedora 14 - Which release is going the smoothest? http://twtpoll.com/m2jpdbNov 04 03:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @Suscov: RT @pauneugen: WPTuts.ro: Forumul oficial WordPress.org în limba română http://bit.ly/9N5SYXNov 04 03:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @EuroDroid: #Facebook for #Android updated - now with Places and Groups - http://bit.ly/9NgZa8Nov 04 03:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @edythemighty: When the Tech Guy Is 13 (or Even 10) http://boss.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/03/when-the-tech-guy-is-12-or-even-10/Nov 04 04:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: #Oracle Proposes #Cloud Management API Based on #Open #Standards http://bit.ly/c8wucm #linuxNov 04 04:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I'm !NaNoWriMo -ing too... tho I'm behind 'cause I didn't have time to prep and I am not a pantser (so I'm doing it now) :DNov 04 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @vfurusho: BrOffice.org disponibiliza servidor para a comunidade Internacional TDF http://miud.in/hr2Nov 04 04:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] If anyone else wants to be my !NaNoWriMo reading buddy: http://ur1.ca/22bne ... if you don't want to publicly broadcast, DM your ID :DNov 04 04:08
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schestowitz"Broad minded right is a thing of the past. Sarah Palin instead of Isaiah Berlin. :(" http://identi.ca/conversation/57412888#notice-57938678Nov 04 04:10
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schestowitzOdd thing...Nov 04 04:10
schestowitzComputer crashes during the night, would not quite igniteNov 04 04:10
schestowitzTook out almost all cables and it would go this once.. seems like hardware problemNov 04 04:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz Octave Packages – The Free Software Candy Store http://ur1.ca/29b9k #gnu ☛ #Octave ☛ !fs !linux #matlab #mathematica #ma ...Nov 04 04:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #MATLAB vs #QtOctave First Impressions: QtOctave Looks Better http://ur1.ca/29apg !gnu #OctaveNov 04 04:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz Which one looks better, #MATLAB (proprietary) or #QtOctave (Free software)? http://ur1.ca/29ajoNov 04 04:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz #Microsoft Staff: “I Think What We Are Really Seeing is a Company as Large as Microsoft in Chaos.” http://ur1.ca/296snNov 04 04:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] <<back to writing !NaNoWriMoNov 04 04:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 didn't know that. Anyway, booting for first time in a month, backing up asap in case this recurs. Very odd, hard to pin down issue.Nov 04 04:20
schestowitz@qu1j0t3 didn't know that. Anyway, booting for first time in a month, backing up asap in case this recurs. Very odd, hard to pin down issue.Nov 04 04:20
schestowitz^^it will probably happen againNov 04 04:21
schestowitzAny advice on whether I should try to reproduce the issue?Nov 04 04:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] what do you do when someone makes you feel like crap?Nov 04 04:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz I haven't checked 4 unusual solar activity. Just weird how many ppl I know are reporting inexplicable computer problems this wkNov 04 04:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] waiting for #sabayon5.4 #xfce #lxde spinNov 04 04:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 I am still trying to decide whether I should try to reproduce the problem to find out what's causing it or just ignore while I canNov 04 04:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz I always suggest an overnight memtest86 as a first measure. Then you can rule RAM in or out.Nov 04 04:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] i am running #wget on my desktop to download a file. how can i watch the process on my netbook using #ssh?Nov 04 04:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 here's the thing. Computer power fell while asleep. Then would show red light when trying to switch on, no BIOS, nothing.Tried agn.Nov 04 04:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz Oh right, so not typical RAM failure mode. PSU? Keep an eye on it. Data prob safe. Wise man to Backup tho :)Nov 04 04:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 maybe a coincidence, but after ~15 failed attempts to start up, took out all wires but power, then it booted into BIOS ok.Nov 04 04:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 yes, psu I reckoned all along (symptoms). backup was intended to allow to move to another pc while repairing this one, if neededNov 04 04:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 when it eventually booted it ruled out fried mobo parts, which is what I dreaded the most (expensive, long time to fix)Nov 04 04:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A Tale of Two Computers http://ur.ly/qHX7 !linux vs #windows experience, also another PSU issue (apparently like mine today)Nov 04 05:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @seeds start wget with -c and -b flags. It will create a wget.log file you can watch with tail.Nov 04 05:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] From Arch to !Ubuntu http://ur.ly/r4Ag "I just wished Ubuntu would give a bit more back to a community it takes so much from." !linuxNov 04 05:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] had to install wine last night 4 1st time in ~6 years. A program from work needed it (I never use win). Wine works _very_ well at this stageNov 04 05:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] @harishpillay thks. i did start it with -c flag.Nov 04 05:26
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schestowitz" haha what is that supposed to mean"Nov 04 05:29
schestowitzI reckon it's best to ask the author. I've always said Ubuntu contributes in other ways, not to be slagged off.Nov 04 05:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @seeds -b runs it in the background. You can ^Z now, bg it and tail -f wget.logNov 04 05:30
schestowitzoiaohm: hiNov 04 05:30
schestowitzI have a question for you...Nov 04 05:30
oiaohmYes?  schestowitzNov 04 05:31
schestowitz"@schestowitz Or maybe solar activity! A lot of people I know are having weird computer problems this week." --FurnaceBOYNov 04 05:31
schestowitz"@schestowitz yeah friend also seems to be having psu prob (ram tested ok)... machine hangs"Nov 04 05:32
schestowitzoiaohm: Have you notices anything similar in your datacentre/s?Nov 04 05:32
schestowitzCause I seem to have a dodgy PSUNov 04 05:32
schestowitzCouldn't start up this morningNov 04 05:32
cubezzzI've seen power supplies from 1996 that still work, and olderNov 04 05:32
schestowitzAfter pulling out all cables but power I managed to get it started upNov 04 05:33
cubezzz1993 evenNov 04 05:33
cubezzz;-)Nov 04 05:33
schestowitzcubezzz: yeah...Nov 04 05:33
schestowitzBTWNov 04 05:33
schestowitzDid you see my link to your mp3?Nov 04 05:33
cubezzzyesNov 04 05:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] @harishpillay k. thanks for the great infoNov 04 05:33
schestowitzAlso......Nov 04 05:33
oiaohmPSU suspect are normal events.Nov 04 05:33
schestowitzcubezzz: could you rush the cron job that passes the logs to the server space?Nov 04 05:33
schestowitzCause I missed ~5 hours of logsNov 04 05:33
cubezzzhmmm? well I can just run it manuallyNov 04 05:34
schestowitzyeahNov 04 05:34
oiaohmNothing strange with the number computers I deal with for there to be atleast 4 replacements a week.Nov 04 05:34
schestowitzcubezzz: you suimmarise all your time with all the OSes in half an hourNov 04 05:34
schestowitzI found that interesting and well presentedNov 04 05:34
oiaohmIe 4 psu replacements spreed between us on the servers.Nov 04 05:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @chicagonpg: Command Line Little Helper: CLI Companion http://is.gd/gHbw7Nov 04 05:35
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oiaohmWindows servers have had some strange mail issue due to a blacklister being a pain in the ass.Nov 04 05:35
cubezzzwell, I worked from point form notes... and I cut out a lot of stuffNov 04 05:35
schestowitzoiaohm: would you ignore the problem or try to reproduce it? I've made backups an hour ago till nowNov 04 05:35
cubezzzok, logs should be more up to date nowNov 04 05:35
oiaohmWith suspect PSU we normally auto bugget replacing them about 1 ever  2 years.Nov 04 05:36
schestowitzoiaohm: I'm thinking, wait for second PSU mess (assuming that's the issue) before calling it recurring or chronicNov 04 05:36
oiaohmIssue here is how old is the machine schestowitzNov 04 05:36
schestowitz2.5 yearsNov 04 05:36
oiaohmAnd how many hours of operation has it done.Nov 04 05:37
schestowitzall the timeNov 04 05:37
schestowitzSInce it was boughtNov 04 05:37
oiaohmAnd what brand.Nov 04 05:37
schestowitzIt's assembled by NovatechNov 04 05:37
oiaohmPlease be gigabyte or some other super solid brand motherboard.Nov 04 05:37
schestowitzBritish companyNov 04 05:37
oiaohmWhat type of caps.Nov 04 05:37
schestowitzNot sure what mobo maker...Nov 04 05:37
cubezzzone thing I started doing a few years back is log all power supply failures, and replacement datesNov 04 05:37
schestowitzcaps?Nov 04 05:37
cubezzzcapacitors :)Nov 04 05:38
oiaohmcapactors on the motherboard.Nov 04 05:38
schestowitzNever checkedNov 04 05:38
oiaohmSolid states yes or not.Nov 04 05:38
schestowitzssd? no.Nov 04 05:38
schestowitzOr something elseNov 04 05:38
schestowitzSolid state capacitor?Nov 04 05:38
oiaohmIf not solids the on motherboard powersystem could be fried.Nov 04 05:38
cubezzza power supply should really last more than 2.5 years normallyNov 04 05:38
oiaohmWith normal usage yes.  cubezzzNov 04 05:38
schestowitzoiaohm: probably not friedNov 04 05:39
oiaohmConstant on not so much.Nov 04 05:39
schestowitzCause I use this machine nowNov 04 05:39
schestowitzBut I suspect it could fall over again at any momentNov 04 05:39
cubezzzwith UPS schestowitz?Nov 04 05:39
oiaohmFried gives intermited power breaks because it can no longer power manage correctly.Nov 04 05:39
schestowitzNoNov 04 05:39
cubezzzthat should improve the lifespanNov 04 05:39
schestowitzNo outageNov 04 05:39
schestowitzI know cause nearby appliances ran okNov 04 05:39
cubezzzwell you could have tons of brown-outsNov 04 05:40
cubezzzand never really knowNov 04 05:40
schestowitzoiaohm: it did get powerNov 04 05:40
schestowitzIt just wouldn't start up seqeuenceNov 04 05:40
schestowitzRed light showing, fan and all would run, never show bios or anythingNov 04 05:40
schestowitzLike a failure to get something goingNov 04 05:41
oiaohmYou are aware that motherboard check if power feed is stable before kicking up bios.Nov 04 05:41
cubezzzoh if you could do one thing... it would be a bit better to link to cubexyz.blogspot.com rather than maxhost.org since you were good enough to make two linksNov 04 05:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] @harishpillay man this is working nice. good stuff. you are leetNov 04 05:41
schestowitzcubezzz: okNov 04 05:41
schestowitzhold on..Nov 04 05:41
oiaohmSo if motherboard powersupply circuit caps have died or power supply box has part died.  Motherboard can refuse to start.Nov 04 05:42
oiaohmThen next time you fire power can read right so it fires up like nothing is wrong.Nov 04 05:42
oiaohmBut its only a short term excape it will get worse.Nov 04 05:43
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schestowitzoiaohm: yeahNov 04 05:43
oiaohmAnd the evil problem I have here is we don't know what part is dead. schestowitzNov 04 05:43
schestowitzI usually back up every 3 nights or soNov 04 05:43
schestowitzNot I'll back up nightly, but...Nov 04 05:44
oiaohmIf it the motherboard circuit it can ruin any new powersupply box you connect.Nov 04 05:44
schestowitzShould I maybe try to power off and on again?Nov 04 05:44
schestowitzJust to see if I have a bad PSU in my hands, still?Nov 04 05:44
cubezzzit's very often the power supplyNov 04 05:44
schestowitzIgnoring this won't have it fixedNov 04 05:44
oiaohmYou are behind a UPS.Nov 04 05:44
schestowitzNoNov 04 05:45
oiaohmReally for the work you do.  You are nuts not to have a UPS.Nov 04 05:45
cubezzzseconded ;0Nov 04 05:45
schestowitzI don't run a server thoughNov 04 05:45
oiaohmUPS straight up rules out some from of old ball power dip in your area.Nov 04 05:45
schestowitzI should really  try to ensure I can boot again, otherwise get that fixed todayNov 04 05:46
oiaohmYou have at least a decent line filter on it.Nov 04 05:46
cubezzzcheap way to extend the life of your machineNov 04 05:46
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oiaohmPower supply are not bomb proff.  schestowitzNov 04 05:46
schestowitzI knowNov 04 05:46
schestowitzBut I rarely have outagesNov 04 05:46
schestowitzLast time was maybe over a year agoNov 04 05:46
cubezzzelectrical storms?Nov 04 05:47
cubezzzmany ways for things to mess upNov 04 05:47
oiaohmWorst thing that can happen is a power dip and straight back rize causing the 12 volt rail to serage internal in the computer to about 18 volts.Nov 04 05:47
oiaohmWhat is basically all hard drives dead.Nov 04 05:47
schestowitzNot external onesNov 04 05:47
cubezzzyou run all external? :)Nov 04 05:47
schestowitzNoNov 04 05:47
schestowitzBut I have it mirroredNov 04 05:47
oiaohmExternal ones have the same weakness in there power brick.  schestowitzNov 04 05:47
schestowitzAnyway, should I try to see if I can get the PSU to work now that I have a fresh backup?Nov 04 05:48
oiaohmGood line filter or UPS means this cannot happen.Nov 04 05:48
schestowitzoiaohm: I switch them off after backupNov 04 05:48
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schestowitzoiaohm: should I stress-test the PSU now?Nov 04 05:49
oiaohmAnd the annoy part  good line filter and UPS here is about 20 dollars different.Nov 04 05:49
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schestowitzAs in reboot a few times to ensure it's just a one-time mess?Nov 04 05:49
oiaohmPSU are assholes.Nov 04 05:49
schestowitzThursday gives me more day for shop service before weekendNov 04 05:49
oiaohmThere is no test that can dependable detect they are failed until they complete fail.Nov 04 05:49
schestowitzI should  really try a boot again...Nov 04 05:50
schestowitzBack in a moNov 04 05:50
oiaohmIf they are hot/cold/humid/dry.... Basically anything weatherNov 04 05:50
schestowitzUnless you think it's not worth doing.Nov 04 05:50
cubezzzoiaohm, I tell people to keep an extra power supply on handNov 04 05:50
oiaohmCan change the result.Nov 04 05:50
oiaohmThen the load and so on.Nov 04 05:50
cubezzzthen your downtime is lessNov 04 05:50
schestowitzcubezzz: if they know how to connect it themselvesNov 04 05:50
schestowitzI never changed PSU, but it seems easy enoughNov 04 05:51
oiaohmYes a spare powersupply for systems that must stay running is handy.Nov 04 05:51
cubezzzwell i can pop over and put it in... so it's nice to have it right thereNov 04 05:51
oiaohmPSU change is simple as long as you are not stupid with wires.Nov 04 05:51
schestowitzAnd I can't buy one if I'm not sure it's the problemNov 04 05:51
oiaohmAlso when you do power off check all plugs on PSU for melting.Nov 04 05:51
cubezzzonly prob is no AT supplies for really old machinesNov 04 05:52
oiaohmYes serously melting.Nov 04 05:52
oiaohmIf the motherboard circuit is stuffed it normally overdraws at times.Nov 04 05:52
oiaohmSo melting the plugs.Nov 04 05:52
oiaohmIf you find that don't bother about a new powersupply.Nov 04 05:52
oiaohmIts new machine time.Nov 04 05:53
cubezzzalso no -5V rail nowadaysNov 04 05:53
oiaohmSame goes for the reset of the motherboard.  You know what poped caps look like schestowitz?Nov 04 05:53
oiaohmIe old style electronic caps should be a cilender with a top that is indented.Nov 04 05:54
oiaohmIf they are popped out they are stuffed.  schestowitzNov 04 05:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Switching off machine for hardware testing in a moment. If there's a problem, might be offline for a while.Nov 04 05:55
oiaohmNothing is worst than inserting a new powersupply to watch it fry because the motherboard was toast.Nov 04 05:55
schestowitzHow much does a typical PSU cost?Nov 04 05:55
cubezzzabout $60Nov 04 05:55
schestowitzThe people here rip you off for installing oneNov 04 05:55
oiaohmGood one is around 60 AUDNov 04 05:55
schestowitzThat's an expensive componentNov 04 05:55
oiaohmCheep crap is about 20 AUDNov 04 05:55
schestowitzcubezzz: CAD?Nov 04 05:55
oiaohmAnd I do mean cheap crap.Nov 04 05:55
oiaohmThe bugger does not know how to turn off.Nov 04 05:56
cubezzzschestowitz, yes that is for a pretty good oneNov 04 05:56
oiaohmIn the cheep crap.Nov 04 05:56
schestowitz[05:53] <oiaohm> Same goes for the reset of the motherboard.  You know what poped caps look like schestowitz?Nov 04 05:56
schestowitzNoNov 04 05:56
oiaohmAnd does not generate as stable power as it should.Nov 04 05:56
cubezzzand evidently if you don't need it don't get like an 800 watt supply if you don't even need 200 wattsNov 04 05:56
cubezzzit's wastefulNov 04 05:57
Quadrescenceschestowitz: caps can look expanded or puffed ypNov 04 05:57
Quadrescenceup*Nov 04 05:57
cubezzzless heat is betterNov 04 05:57
cubezzzand with a UPS you should be able to tell the loadNov 04 05:58
schestowitzoiaohm: http://www.google.com/images?hl=&q=psu+popped+capsNov 04 05:59
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schestowitzhttp://www.tomshardware.com/forum/290036-28-firecrackers-deadNov 04 06:00
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oiaohmhttp://www.jebswebsite.com/misc_pics/ibm_mobo_capacitors.jpg  << Yep this is a good picture of what bugged looks like schestowitzNov 04 06:00
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schestowitzQuadrescence: but how can you tell if they are bad?Nov 04 06:00
schestowitzI am looking into something which works at the moment but did not work beforeNov 04 06:01
oiaohmBasically the silver section on that type of cap should be either flat or indented.Nov 04 06:01
schestowitzSurely I could just ignore it for now and only test this for failure if there's a second power failureNov 04 06:01
oiaohmIf its raised its stuffed.Nov 04 06:01
oiaohmVery much like child safe containers.  schestowitzNov 04 06:01
oiaohmOppsNov 04 06:01
schestowitzoiaohm: what would you recommend? Ignore it for now and open the box only if/when the problem happens again?Nov 04 06:01
oiaohmI would recommend a good inspect.Nov 04 06:02
oiaohmCheck for bad caps.Nov 04 06:02
schestowitzI'm just thinking, 1 failure is 1 in large sample setNov 04 06:02
oiaohmCheck for melted plugs.Nov 04 06:02
schestowitzNeed at least two to be able to actually same anything about recurrenceNov 04 06:02
schestowitz[06:02] <oiaohm> Check for bad caps.Nov 04 06:03
oiaohmProblem is you normally get at least 1 waring of a power supply problem.Nov 04 06:03
schestowitzBut I risk not being able to boot againNov 04 06:03
oiaohmNot being able to boot would be a good outcome.Nov 04 06:03
schestowitzoiaohm: but in my situation, would you carry on and wait for a second incident?Nov 04 06:03
oiaohmWorse is the power supply is on it last legs and sergus.Nov 04 06:03
oiaohmSo leaving everything in the machine dead.Nov 04 06:04
oiaohmYou can normally see tell tail signs in the plugs and caps before that happens.Nov 04 06:04
oiaohmIf you look.Nov 04 06:04
schestowitzI can't tell them apartNov 04 06:04
oiaohmIf you play wait and see you are playing with fire.Nov 04 06:04
schestowitzSo you think it could fry something else, assuming it's PSU-related?Nov 04 06:05
oiaohmhttp://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Blog_Stuff/Capacitors.jpg   left is fine right is stuffed  schestowitzNov 04 06:06
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oiaohmNotice the left is basically flat on the top.Nov 04 06:07
oiaohmIt not that hard to tell appart.Nov 04 06:07
oiaohmIf it PSU releated that is the issue.  If PSU majorally screws up it likes taking everything with it.Nov 04 06:07
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oiaohmThe melted one is also very simple to detect.  PSU plugs going into motherboard should be the same color.Nov 04 06:09
oiaohmIf they have got hot or melted they discolour and become a non even color.Nov 04 06:09
oiaohmIe normally darker where they are burnt.  schestowitzNov 04 06:10
oiaohmI am not talking major operation is more have a very good look.  I guess you do have a digital cam.  schestowitzNov 04 06:11
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oiaohmIf you are not sure take a photo of it.   What I am looking for kinda sticks out like a saw thumb.Nov 04 06:12
oiaohmOnce you know what you are looking at.Nov 04 06:12
oiaohmI do a basically PC maintaince courses from time to time and cover general health inspects when doing general pc cleaning.Nov 04 06:13
schestowitzoiaohm: oh, I see the difference nowNov 04 06:13
oiaohmIts not hard to spot at all once you know where to look.Nov 04 06:14
schestowitzoiaohm: yeah, well, computer hardware was never my fieldNov 04 06:14
schestowitzExcept chip designNov 04 06:14
schestowitzoiaohm: OK, let me look....Nov 04 06:15
oiaohmAlso when ever you clean a computer out ie 1 every 12 months on carpet or what I call computer fluff gernator.Nov 04 06:15
oiaohmYou should check the caps while you are doing it.Nov 04 06:15
schestowitzokNov 04 06:16
schestowitzoffliningNov 04 06:16
QuadrescenceawwwNov 04 06:16
QuadrescenceI was just going to ask schestowitz a questionNov 04 06:16
schestowitzgo aheadNov 04 06:16
Quadrescencedo you have a job related to your degreeNov 04 06:17
schestowitzyes, why?Nov 04 06:18
Quadrescencejust wondering. if the answer was "no" then I could probably get you to get me a job :DNov 04 06:18
schestowitzwhat field are you in?Nov 04 06:20
schestowitzDiploma-wise?Nov 04 06:20
schestowitzOr in terms of numerical analysis?Nov 04 06:20
schestowitzI'm quite lucky actuallyNov 04 06:21
schestowitzCause the last time I went to job interviews was like 2003Nov 04 06:21
oiaohmAnd that is the other thing.  schestowitzNov 04 06:21
oiaohmTech lesson.Nov 04 06:21
schestowitzI got one in London, but rejected the offer and went on to doing a phd instead, which was wise cause pure CS in the UK is rubbishNov 04 06:21
schestowitzFor pure CS graduates in the UK there's almost zero chance of getting a job now, unless they have loads of experienceNov 04 06:22
oiaohmNever ever go inspecting in a machine with possible suspect caps with the power on.   Caps can go off like fireworks without notice.  schestowitzNov 04 06:22
schestowitzIn the UK, among graduates they say that 70 people compete for any openingNov 04 06:22
oiaohmIf they are part way gone. schestowitzNov 04 06:23
schestowitzThat may mean that, on average, you'll have to try 70 times before finding a jobNov 04 06:23
schestowitzFor me I sort of found a way through the back door, not having to go through interviewsNov 04 06:23
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oiaohmBefore my current job I had 120 interviews.Nov 04 06:23
oiaohmAnd then I end up getting the job without a interview.Nov 04 06:23
schestowitz120. wow.Nov 04 06:24
schestowitzIn a row?Nov 04 06:24
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cubezzzwho you know probably trumps what you knowNov 04 06:24
oiaohmPut it this way I don't present well in interviews.Nov 04 06:24
cubezzztoo many Microsoft environments oiaohm? :)Nov 04 06:24
schestowitzcubezzz: yes, everyone says thatNov 04 06:24
schestowitzThey put people with a face before people witha  CVNov 04 06:25
oiaohmI am the guy say do prac demo of what I can do and I get the job every time.Nov 04 06:25
schestowitzSo people whom they already know are harder to say "no" toNov 04 06:25
oiaohmMost people look at my CV and go no way can he be skilled in all that.Nov 04 06:25
cubezzzpersonal skills do count for something :)Nov 04 06:25
oiaohmI am a odd ball I have not specialised in a single field.Nov 04 06:25
schestowitzThat's why I don't go to interviews, even if someone arranges one for me.... can imagine the multiple stages, many candidates, waste of time.Nov 04 06:25
oiaohmI am the all rounder.Nov 04 06:25
schestowitzI've seen people waste months of their lives doing interviews, learning about companies that would not work for and brushing up skills they would not needNov 04 06:26
oiaohmTrainer, tech, network admin, data entery operate.Nov 04 06:26
schestowitzanyway, booting niowNov 04 06:26
cubezzzcompanies always need good operations peopleNov 04 06:26
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oiaohmdata recovery.Nov 04 06:26
oiaohmBasic yes I am good operations person.Nov 04 06:26
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schestowitzok, no popped capsNov 04 07:40
schestowitzI cleaned up the whole inside of the box for the first time ever (2.5 years)... balls of dustNov 04 07:40
schestowitzAnd it always starts up ok now, can't reproduce the failure after trying about 5 timesNov 04 07:41
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schestowitzmobo WinFastNov 04 07:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I can't reproduce the problem now. Maybe dodgy PSU, but couldn't verify and can't find any popped caps on the mobo. Anyway, till next crash.Nov 04 07:46
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schestowitz"I am playing  a bit of Devil’s advocate here. I use mainly free software and do not long for Photoshop."Nov 04 08:02
cubezzzwhat? :)Nov 04 08:02
cubezzzlooking for traffic eh? :)Nov 04 08:02
schestowitzcomment #1:Nov 04 08:02
schestowitz"Nov 04 08:03
schestowitz[quote]Windows comes pre-installed. Everything is working perfectly at the time of purchase.[/quote]Nov 04 08:03
schestowitzYes, it’s preinstalled, but it does not always, or actually quite often, not work perfectly. A typical scenario in the Windows world is that you actually are forced to wipe the disk and make a clean install. Why? Because manufacturers integrate their own solutions, and some of them don’t work well, but unfortunately it is at times cumbersome, thus making a clean install easier.Nov 04 08:03
schestowitz"Nov 04 08:03
schestowitzYeah, beat me to itNov 04 08:03
schestowitzIt's better! YOU have to buy it even if you don't want to.Nov 04 08:03
cubezzzeven my TV is linux basedNov 04 08:04
cubezzzI didn't really pick that eitherNov 04 08:04
cubezzzno operating system does everything... I'm always finding something interesting that older systems did that Linux doesn't have... or any other "modern" OSNov 04 08:05
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/57437597#notice-57961080 " I keep my directories simple; It only takes a few seconds to search anyway. But tagging would be an interesting experiment :)"Nov 04 08:54
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schestowitzThunderbird already uses tagging, but search with full text index seems to render it less than necessary.Nov 04 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @mairin “Free your desktop”, “we use only free and open source software to power the Fedora infrastructure” are probably falseNov 04 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @mairin and the “try to ..., and provide only free and open source software” is ambiguous and misleading, prone to misunderstandingsNov 04 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @charlesschulz give choqok a try as well. I'm getting to like it (started using it 2 days ago, still beta)Nov 04 08:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @mairin the looks and the ideas look great otherwise. congrats!Nov 04 08:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Tired Of Tweaking Ubuntu? Try Pinguy OS 10.10 Beta 2! [Ubuntu Remaster] http://bit.ly/buzqLzNov 04 08:58
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schestowitz*LOL* http://tinyogg.com/files/JNtLw.ogv GNU/Stallmans - The Free Software SongNov 04 08:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] @schestowitz : I tried Choqok, it's not bad, but the notifications/passwd management is a hell on KDE, in the end I dumped it out of rage.Nov 04 09:00
schestowitzRight-wing idiots... http://tinyogg.com/watch/7X1jA/Nov 04 09:02
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schestowitzPuppets for big billionairesNov 04 09:03
schestowitzTo remove supervisionNov 04 09:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @graziano @tekk when Debian moved blobs to non-Free, it seemed like re-main-ing kernel bits were Free, but got to double-checkNov 04 09:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @graziano @tekk it's not clear whether what Debian did is enough for its kernel to satisfy GNU FSDG: it still requests blobsNov 04 09:08
oiaohmschestowitz: we still get the person where is MS word when all they asked for was MS WindowsNov 04 09:09
oiaohmI guess motherboard stuff was fine.  schestowitzNov 04 09:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] More Complete Sets of Bach Cantatas - http://bit.ly/bLpIrr if you don't know them, no excuses now... #bach #cantatas #spotifyNov 04 09:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mark Zuckerberg on HTML5 at Facebook - http://bit.ly/cpqwFI useful support for open web standards #html5 #facebookNov 04 09:20
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MinceRwinblows is one of those many OSes that can't even do shared libraries rightNov 04 09:21
MinceRr4wrNov 04 09:21
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IN6w6GnN-Ic#!Nov 04 09:23
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schestowitzoiaohm: ^Nov 04 09:23
schestowitzDid you watch it?Nov 04 09:23
schestowitzmaybe I should oggify itNov 04 09:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Nokia CTO: "It's all about the applications" http://goo.gl/fAuJbNov 04 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Third P2P verdict for Jammie Thomas: $1.5 million - http://bit.ly/bnkNU0 juries still buying the FUD from content industries #p2pNov 04 09:25
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oiaohmschestowitz:  Not yet waiting until 2 am to download it.Nov 04 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sharp to Launch Two 3D Android Handsets - http://on.mash.to/cQYibm sounds intriguing #android #3dNov 04 09:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] HTML5 Testing http://ow.ly/19NnkKNov 04 09:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @datacharmer: e/one screaming about @MySQL's #InnoDB being nonfree, please chk the download page http://ur1.ca/29j26 before freaking outNov 04 09:28
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schestowitzoiaohm: it's very goodNov 04 09:29
schestowitzand 4 times longer than the film (inc. the music+credits)Nov 04 09:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Completed NaNoWriMo somewhat early. I just copied and pasted fabsh and tedks excellent adventure. Had to trim it down to 50K wordsNov 04 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin Owens: #AskUbuntu Review http://goo.gl/jBw8jNov 04 09:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 4/11/2010: #Fedora 15 to be Called Lovelock, Many Fedora 14 Reviews Now Available, #OpenOffice .org Analyses http://ur.ly/qRQbNov 04 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @datacharmer: e/one screaming about @MySQL's #InnoDB being nonfree, please chk the download page http://ur1.ca/29j26 before freaking outNov 04 09:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richardsmedley/@richardsmedley] 800x480 OLED capacitive touchscreen Android for £99? Yes, it's for real :-) #OrangeSanFranciscoNov 04 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Chinese general gets shanzhai Peace Prize - http://bit.ly/cI27DP had authority over troops that fired on Tiananmen crowd (via @ulyssestone)Nov 04 09:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/2369/gungangnurage.jpg << another GNU "inspired" imageNov 04 09:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richardsmedley/@richardsmedley] RT @denversolarguy Porsche 914 electric car conversion http://dld.bz/nDy6Nov 04 09:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] First bug closed for #pdfreaders !!! Società Paleontologica Italiana. Watch on: http://www.fsfe.org/campaigns/pdfreaders/buglist.en.html#ITNov 04 09:41
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oiaohmIt had to be good.  schestowitz large block of the funding to make duruin was given to make that.Nov 04 09:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Man.... Internet in this school is slower than IP-over-carrierpidgeon.....Nov 04 09:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] From http://geogebra.org - "You can use this freely non-commercially", but the license is GPLv2? WTF!?Nov 04 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Best Linux Twitter Client? http://bit.ly/bXAA6KNov 04 09:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Installer is CC licensed - #FAIL http://www.geogebra.org/download/license.txtNov 04 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer Yeah. Fail indeed......Nov 04 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer They also think Ubuntu is Linux... ;)Nov 04 10:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] +1 ♺ @dneary: @jonobacon Q. 14 needs an "I don't understand the question" answer.Nov 04 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] yay, finally finished reading the identi.ca backlog from the 2 weeks I was awayNov 04 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Kubuntu: #KDE Release Day 4.5.3 http://goo.gl/Pq530Nov 04 10:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Dear #lazyweb. Any way to add some forewords, such as a warning, in multiple ODT files at once, w/o opening them all?Nov 04 10:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @fsfe http://ur1.ca/29jh3 is official, isn't it? (can you ask flattr to mark this account as 'verified'? eg http://ur1.ca/29jh5)Nov 04 10:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @carlopiana: Couldn't you do a find and replace over multiple files in a programming editor like Kate?Nov 04 10:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @silner that wouldn't work AFAICT with ODT, which is a zip container. I guess I could write a script, though time-consuming...Nov 04 10:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @carlopiana @macno: I was thinking about this. I would never buy a mixed licence product, irrespective of morality, it's just too confusingNov 04 10:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] @osamak Yep, http://ur1.ca/29jh3 is FSFE's official flattr account. We're looking into verifying it. Thanks for pointing this out!Nov 04 10:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] “Lecteurs PDF non libres : la FSFE mène la chasse” http://is.gd/gHLCfNov 04 10:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] Lecteurs PDF non libres : la FSFE mène la chasse http://ur1.ca/29jld #pdfreadersNov 04 10:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Bluefish, the HTML editor, really needs an !Identica group. Though I suppose you'd say it was already covered by !webdev?Nov 04 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] !Flattr !FSFE's great work! https://flattr.com/thing/80207/Free-Software-PDF-ReadersNov 04 10:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] When Software is in Everything: Future Liability Nightmares Free Software Helps Avoid - http://bit.ly/coG6WQ good stuff from Eben MoglenNov 04 10:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] General que comandou o massacre na praça da paz celestial ganha prêmio por suas colaborações para a "paz mundial" http://bit.ly/cI27DPNov 04 10:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] So are you telling me that #multipath-tools is really used in production? That code is making me seriously CRY!Nov 04 10:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @RaymondSnoddy Guardian says they make more money from online dating than Times from paywalls http://bit.ly/dkMf6m (via @jeffjarvis)Nov 04 11:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: MediaTel: Newsline: NI clearly threw in the kitchen sink to get Times online past the magic 100,000 mark .::. Size~: 39.43 KBNov 04 11:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Public search engine: Larry & Sergey in 1998:"it's crucial to have a competitive search engine…transparent & in academic realm" ur1.ca/29js1Nov 04 11:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @jonobacon I am sure MS and Apple would quite cheerfully endorse what you just said to me, substituting their own names of course.Nov 04 11:11
schestowitzI've just realised matlab maple and mathematica all start withNov 04 11:13
schestowitz"ma"Nov 04 11:13
schestowitzCoincidence?Nov 04 11:13
schestowitz.m (.mat files)Nov 04 11:13
schestowitzoctave uses this extension too, by defaultNov 04 11:14
schestowitzoiaohm: yeah, well... the story behind the move was well editedNov 04 11:14
schestowitzLots of efforts went into it, I thought it would just be some bits that didn't make it into the final cutNov 04 11:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cabinet Office managers ban talks on Government IT - http://bit.ly/dzY6yU so much for that new #transparency; shameful #uk #ogovNov 04 11:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Software developers at GE use !gnu !linux on their desktop. Then again, loads of Eclipse developers do too. Rarely told story in the press..Nov 04 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Windows is good for testing development output under unpredictable and hard conditions.Nov 04 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @glynmoody: Cabinet Office managers ban talks on Government IT - http://bit.ly/dzY6yU so much for that new #transparency; shameful #ogovNov 04 11:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @glynmoody As I say, we have LibDem spin and Tory attitudes from this government.Nov 04 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] I have a bad feeling about the UK copyright reform news. This government has Lib-Dem messaging but Tory lobbyist policies...Nov 04 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] at #opensourceCFD - listening ot Bruce Perens keynoting and trying to get Fedora on a Macbook Air. All at the same time.Nov 04 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] "Life is a tale, told by a fool, full of sound and fury, and meaning nothing" - William ShakespeareNov 04 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer So you bought that Air, eh? :/Nov 04 11:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Do !debian and !ubuntu carry multipath-tools ?Nov 04 11:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @carlopiana, Yes, it's a two-pass solution. In the first pass, convert all your #OpenOffice documents into #LaTeX. 2nd pass: install !Perl.Nov 04 11:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh yep.Nov 04 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh it will get the fedora logo lasered on top. Stay tuned.Nov 04 11:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer That doesn't save you from my hate! Even worse, I'm tempted to get @spot to change the guidelines to forbid misuse like that. ;)Nov 04 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh the MacOS will be gone in a few hours, depending on my ability to get Fedora 14 booting via USB. Or wait for external drive.Nov 04 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Vote for the best Linux #Twitter client on #WebUpd8: http://goo.gl/hT7MCNov 04 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] End non free software advertising : stamp out the ads ! #pdfreaders - http://www.fsfe.org/news/2010/news-20101102-01.en.htmlNov 04 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @bkuhn good suggestion. How to convert it back to ODF though? ;-) PLS consider that most of my stuff gets converted to MSWord at s/ pt. :-(Nov 04 11:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer You know..... I still don't get people who buy Macs and then get rid of MacOS. I thought that was the whole point? OoNov 04 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @carlopiana, I would suggest you stop using #Microsoft Word. :) You could stick with #LaTeX & just send PDF's to the clueless masses.Nov 04 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: #Natty free culture showcase to have theme, gets schedule http://goo.gl/mju7XNov 04 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft is Starting to Dump #Silverlight (Phased Out of Microsoft Services) http://ur.ly/qDxaNov 04 11:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @bkuhn I wasn't clear. I've never used MSword in the last 1.5 decades. My docs are consumed as .doc by PPL stuck in there (eg lawyers)Nov 04 11:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @carlopiana, I did understand. But lawyers aren't "stuck" there; they *choose* #Microsoft. As suggested, send them PDFs and use #LaTeX!Nov 04 11:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @bkuhn that wouldn't work. I cannot ask HP or Nokia to switch to LaTeX+diff, they're not even clients. Yet we have to exchange redlined docsNov 04 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @carlopiana, #Microsoft manipulates its customers into asserting peer pressure on colleagues. I've avoided falling to peer pressure since HSNov 04 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @carlopiana, in my experience, many lawyers outright *refuse* to give clients editable documents, even when asked & even when they use LaTeXNov 04 12:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @bkuhn you think I don't know? I've been out fighting that since I qualified as a lawyer. But clients come 1st, they need agreements draftedNov 04 12:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @carlopiana, it's good you give clients editable formats anyway. I had to write pdfdiff b/c *my* lawyer refused to give me editable versionsNov 04 12:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ha. My simple bash identica client is coming along... :)Nov 04 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @bkuhn I do lotsa tech transfer. Many times I just receive docs 2B edited. In real life, Openoffice.org has been very helpful to keep FaiFNov 04 12:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dan Bulucea, Business and Marketing Director of #Microsoft Romania, Escapes and Enters #Google http://ur.ly/r8KF #entryism #romaniaNov 04 12:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The 2010 Elections, reflections, lessons and taking stock - http://huff.to/aibdMb @jamie_love reflects on Obama's missteps on #acta et al.Nov 04 12:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] @carlopiana ah so you also get stonewalled by the "you should ignore requirements of people paying you to the Supremacy of Free Software"?Nov 04 12:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 'Pervy' private chat case springs back into life - http://bit.ly/bVSnj9 here come the thought-police #uk #obscenityNov 04 12:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @carlopiana @bkuhn Keep the FaiF./termlink.sh! :DNov 04 12:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK. Just found a bug. LOL!Nov 04 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @carlopiana @bkuhn Keep the FaiF!!! :DNov 04 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fabsh, didn't @gregkh already write a command line identi.ca client, called bti or something like that? I think it supported Twitter too.Nov 04 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Inside the Google Books Algorithm - http://bit.ly/bY33dk what would Book Rank look like? #books #googleNov 04 12:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ministry of Sound gives up P2P claims - http://bit.ly/crJ9Ib "ACS:Law email leak are considerably larger than anyone could envisage" #p2pNov 04 12:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Jesus fucking H Christ! Windows Server is such a piece of crap! You cant even move an app between partitions!Nov 04 12:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Could be. There are lots. I do this to learn more about bash scripting. :)Nov 04 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] What in gods name is wrong with this server.....Nov 04 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @schestowitz: Thanks.Nov 04 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh at least I didn't pay a MSFT tax :-)Nov 04 12:31
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samlinuxdr schestowitz.. what do you think now that microsoft ask (captured) the silverlight developers to develope for the phone 7..what would their response be?Nov 04 12:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @harishpillay How come ? Even M$ admits .NET is failing, and the MONO guys want to develop in a dying platform ?Nov 04 12:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] started a brand new pipe today; 19 more "burns" to get it properly "broken-in"... that'll take something about 2 months at the rate I smokeNov 04 12:40
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schestowitzsamlinux: that phone platform will dueNov 04 12:40
schestowitzsamlinux: that phone platform will dieNov 04 12:40
schestowitzDo me a small favour... find out on the Web how much they soldNov 04 12:40
schestowitzNot gave away but soldNov 04 12:40
schestowitzThey seem to keep quiet re #s, just like they did with KINNov 04 12:41
samlinuxthats what i am suspecting, developers werent baiting into the phone7, so killing silverlight on the web was perhaps a scheme to force the developers onto phone 7.Nov 04 12:43
samlinuxthats what happens to sheep developers, they are always eventually led to be slaughtered.Nov 04 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] Another bug closed for #pdfreaders !!! Universita de Modena e Reggio Emilia. Watch on: http://ur1.ca/29kgmNov 04 12:45
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oiaohmThere are bugger all silverlight developers.  samlinuxNov 04 12:45
oiaohmThere are way more old school windows mobile developersNov 04 12:45
schestowitzLet me ask in identica+twitter about #sNov 04 12:45
oiaohmThat MS has not provided a simple migration system for.Nov 04 12:46
oiaohmSo I would say MS screw up again.Nov 04 12:46
samlinuxscrewed up big time...Nov 04 12:47
samlinuxone thing they should know is... dont fuck with the developers!Nov 04 12:47
schestowitzfuck fuck fuck fuck developers developers developers developersNov 04 12:48
samlinuxhey that would be a great title for an article.. 'microsoft fucking with the developers again.'Nov 04 12:48
MinceRlolNov 04 12:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Can anybody find any data at all about # of units SOLD (not given) of Windows Phone 7? Seems like another KIN-like disaster, no public #s.Nov 04 12:48
oiaohmsamlinux: Microsoft is also pushing there own anti-virus software more as well.Nov 04 12:49
schestowitzFree of chargeNov 04 12:49
schestowitzCause people don't buy perhapsNov 04 12:49
schestowitzSo they use brute-force dumpingNov 04 12:49
oiaohmSad as it sounds MS would not be where it is without anti-virus companies and others paying to be included on oem makers.Nov 04 12:49
schestowitzDry up competitorsNov 04 12:49
schestowitzSymantec et al. go out of businessNov 04 12:49
schestowitzThen Microsoft can fix the priceNov 04 12:49
schestowitzNo competitinNov 04 12:49
oiaohmNoNov 04 12:49
oiaohmYou have made a bigger number mistake.Nov 04 12:50
oiaohmWhat happens when OEM's have to pay for windows.Nov 04 12:50
oiaohmInstead of having kick backs from anti-virus makers and others covering the cost.Nov 04 12:50
schestowitzPay for Windows?Nov 04 12:50
schestowitzWHY PAY FOR IT?Nov 04 12:50
samlinuxthe antivirus market is worth billions.. the last watering hole left in the microsoft sahara..Nov 04 12:50
schestowitzIt "comes with a computer"Nov 04 12:50
schestowitzIt's like freedosNov 04 12:51
schestowitzOnly with more featuresNov 04 12:51
schestowitzsamlinux: no, that's patentsNov 04 12:51
oiaohmsamlinux its the watering hole that feeds MS existance.Nov 04 12:51
schestowitzI do a post about it atmNov 04 12:51
oiaohmas a OS on hardware.Nov 04 12:51
schestowitzsamlinux: did you find any data on sale numbers?Nov 04 12:51
oiaohmAnd ms is threating to dry it up.Nov 04 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer Nope. You payed Apple Tax which is a lot more, IMO.Nov 04 12:51
samlinuxhmm dont know where to start, they claimed to be sold out in europe, i think its more like the oems reluctant to ship.Nov 04 12:52
oiaohm2 years ago anti-virus makers approced the linux kernelNov 04 12:52
oiaohmto intergrate real-time scanning support.Nov 04 12:52
oiaohmBecause they saw this day coming.Nov 04 12:52
oiaohmLot of game is in play you are not aware of.Nov 04 12:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dear Microsoft, if you say nothing about sale #s of #wp7 then people can assume it failed badly. Microsoft always brags early about fake #sNov 04 12:53
oiaohmI remember being in the arguement about fanotifyNov 04 12:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Beware fake #s of 'sales', where sale means passing a phone to the channel (i.e. a warehouse to collect dust in), Need /REAL/ sale #s.Nov 04 12:55
oiaohmMS is getting more agressive with patents.Nov 04 12:55
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oiaohma company being agreesive with patents is a sign of feeling threatened or in trouble.Nov 04 12:55
schestowitzYeahNov 04 12:56
samlinuxand microsoft getting very aggressive with the oems too, ship our products or we will sue you.Nov 04 12:58
samlinuxasus, acer, htc.. i wonder what things those chinese say behind microsofts back?Nov 04 12:59
samlinuxcipay!!!Nov 04 12:59
oiaohmProblem is nokia and others are fighting back.Nov 04 12:59
oiaohmHistorically this would not have been an agruement.Nov 04 12:59
oiaohmIt would have been do what we want or we cut off supply if discounted MS products.Nov 04 13:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !linux are system76 laptops sold with universal 110-250v charging units, so all able to be used in UK?Nov 04 13:00
oiaohmSo making you fail in the market.Nov 04 13:00
oiaohmIe the market has changed.Nov 04 13:00
oiaohmMS is having trouble fitting it.Nov 04 13:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ah. I think I'm finally making sense of it all...Nov 04 13:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] US says China building 'entirely indigenous' supercomputer - Computerworld http://ping.fm/0dVjaNov 04 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Some !GPL violators can't figure out on their own how to comply w/ 3-clause BSD license. I'm supposed to trust them to comply going forward?Nov 04 13:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Wow..... That is bad.... OoNov 04 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The real reason (climate) scientists don't want to release their code | John Graham-Cumming http://ping.fm/PfK3mNov 04 13:05
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schestowitz"I think it's too early to talk about sales, considering that in a lot of countries devices are not available yet"Nov 04 13:05
schestowitzThe fact that #wp7 is not even distributed in many countries speaks volumes. It was the same with Zune and Kin.Nov 04 13:06
oiaohmhttp://homembit.com/2010/09/odf-wallpaper.html  nice wall paperNov 04 13:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #acta: "Companies that benefit from using pirated software products will be exposed to criminal penalties" - http://bit.ly/d4oCdM clear?Nov 04 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] something wrong with !identica or !choqok? Can't post "Expired timestamp, yours (num), ours (num)",and same error updating timeline @supportNov 04 13:06
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schestowitzoiaohm: yeah, I posted a link earlierNov 04 13:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] testing 1 2 3Nov 04 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] @jankusanagi I'd check the date/time settings on your local machine...Nov 04 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] How Google indexes books (since it can't use PageRank): (The Atlantic) http://bit.ly/b23dFINov 04 13:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] China Mobile Joins Linux Foundation as Gold Member - http://bit.ly/bKNcna very nice move #china #linux #mobilesNov 04 13:13
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schestowitz"@schestowitz the difference is that Zune and Kin weren't distributed outside US on purpose, for #wp7 it's only a matter of time"Nov 04 13:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @glynmoody #acta: "Companies that benefit from using pirated software products will be exposed to criminal penalties" - http://bit.ly ...Nov 04 13:15
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schestowitz"Bio: Mobile Software Engineer at Gaia I love technology, comics, books, music and.. my wife!"Nov 04 13:15
schestowitzMaybe a developer on wp7Nov 04 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] U.S. says China building 'entirely indigenous' supercomputer (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/bhsj7WNov 04 13:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @tante: Unübersichtlich. Unübersichtlicher. Webseite der Univerwaltung.Nov 04 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MPL 2: GPL Compatibility? - http://bit.ly/aV4f4m interesting #mozilla #gpl #licensingNov 04 13:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @rysiek my clock's usually a little off,but this started yesterday,to other users too.Also,I hope !identica isn't requiring perfect timesyncNov 04 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft's Last Years: A Troll and the Software Patents Mafia http://ur.ly/raPd #Microsoft #swpats !linuxNov 04 13:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Could Linux Abandon Directories In Favour Of Tagging? http://ur1.ca/29kezNov 04 13:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Access to Knowledge in the Age of Intellectual Property 2010 - http://bit.ly/bP51yB free ebook: I've skimmed this - looks really good #a2kNov 04 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Experimenting with image rendering in #octave . So far _very_ satisfied and free of proprietary softwareNov 04 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @reinouts Job opening for Scientific Researcher / PhD student Bioinformatics: http://ur1.ca/29kt6 #inNov 04 13:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @glynmoody Access to Knowledge in the Age of Intellectual Property 2010 - http://bit.ly/bP51yB free ebook: I've skimmed this - looks ...Nov 04 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] The @WhiteHouse gets opens source: Video from @GOSCON http://ow.ly/34l2z #opensource #opendata #osfaNov 04 13:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] You know it's going to be a long AM when your train stops in the subway tunnel & 20 min later dude w a wrench climbs in from the tunnel...Nov 04 13:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] #CiviCRM Meetup in #Geneva:Connect, communicate and activate your supporters and constituents: http://bit.ly/aw7l2w Organized by ICMC & TTTPNov 04 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh termlink breaks discussion feature of identi.caNov 04 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yestermlink ! I did it! :)Nov 04 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yes!!! I did it! :)Nov 04 13:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Sintel art director & concept artist at work (awesome video) http://ur1.ca/29kx7Nov 04 13:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] testing 4 5 6Nov 04 13:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] UK Copyright Reform: Good News Or Corporate Attack? (on Wild Webmink): http://bit.ly/ds4sKqNov 04 13:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Looks like the basics of !termlink are done. :)Nov 04 14:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] Follow along live with the Linux Plumbers' Audio mini conf etherpad: http://ur1.ca/29l6b #lpc2010Nov 04 14:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ha! My director is a funny guy...Nov 04 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] It's the year of the !Linux Deskt..... um Tablet. Google readywith 70,000 !chromeos tablets. http://ur1.ca/29la7Nov 04 14:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !android now selling 60,000 handsets per DAY. Along with the release of !chromeos this month, !google is taking !linux to the masses.Nov 04 14:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Unless !ubuntu starts to arrive preinstalled, !google is going to be the !linux leader with !chromeos tablets and !android smartphones.Nov 04 14:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Unless !ubuntu starts to arrive preinstalled, !google is going to be the !linux leader with !chromeos tablets and !android smartphones.Nov 04 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Wow just had a chair to keyboard error...I had forgotten I had deleted a config file and wondered this morning why all my settings were goneNov 04 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] I see a smartphone/tablet !linux driven future. I also see M$ and Apple being left behind in !google's dust. Thanks 2 !android and !chromeosNov 04 14:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @evan Stopped using Back In Time http://ur1.ca/3vqx. Now, rsync to a btrfs subvolume on external drive, then snapshot. #itsbetterwith ...Nov 04 14:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] E17 is in Fedora, just 'yum install enlightenment' !fedoraNov 04 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @agentsmith don't get me wrong. that rt was just that. i don't care for M$, .net, mono etc. Fedora FTW!Nov 04 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] RT @harishpillay @agentsmith don't get me wrong. that rt was just that. i don't care for M$, .net, mono etc. Fedora FTW!Nov 04 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ender2070 Hummm... Mega Cool!!!Nov 04 14:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @carlopiana I know. I'm trying to figure out how to fiy that.... It's very basic ATM. ;)Nov 04 14:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Mail from !LO listener: not sure having more guests on the show will always yield results, but @opensourcegeek and @jezra were phenomenal.Nov 04 15:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back home from work, first thing I need now is coffee...Nov 04 15:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Tonight, we meetup! in Lyon for #w3cdev http://twitpic.com/33u89kNov 04 15:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @micu Results of the #HTML5 TEST for the !Linux browsers #Firefox, #Chrome, #Konqueror, #Opera, #rekonq, and #Arora http://ur1.ca/29lrxNov 04 15:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Having seen Stallman and his chinese "more open" Laptop wasn't convincing ... And I still mainly use my Lenovo, no worries.Nov 04 15:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer Lenovos are awesome hardware. :)Nov 04 15:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh live CD sort of working (VESA only, wireless not) but I am sure I will have a decent Fedora install soonish.Nov 04 15:23
schestowitzabout vista phony 7: "Enterprise apps/devs might save WinMo7, and currently keep WinMo6.1 alive. Expect 5 more years of that."Nov 04 15:25
schestowitzWishful thinkingNov 04 15:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Klaatu on Gnu World Order podcast: "Handles, they're better than names so pick yours today" so funny!Nov 04 15:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] See? It works... :)Nov 04 15:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New Book "In Praise of Copying" Marcus Boon English Lit prof (York U) "how integral copying is to being human" http://ur1.ca/29m2z !BillC32Nov 04 15:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh ugly but rock solid. Full ACK. Ask @stephwho - she uses a S10-3t with working!! touchscreen under Fedora 14.Nov 04 15:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer See! She's reasonable! ;)Nov 04 15:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] FTC Names Edward W. Felten as Agency's Chief Technologist - http://bit.ly/a4UNYY excellent choice - and news (via @ericgoldman) #ftcNov 04 15:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Being reminded of how reasonable my dislike of NC as an anti-C tool is by @zotz's excellent observations. :-)Nov 04 15:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Quick blog post: Termlink - http://sixgun.org/fab/blog/2010/termlinkNov 04 15:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] In case you missed him last night, here is Linus as he prepares to hit the shark tank: http://bit.ly/bKvg4L #lpc #linuxNov 04 15:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New user group aims to take on the super vendors - http://bit.ly/9zadIi Open Data Center Alliance: fighting lockin #openstandardsNov 04 15:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody New user group aims to take on the super vendors - http://bit.ly/9zadIi Open Data Center Alliance: fighting lockin #openst ...Nov 04 15:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Brussels blocks UK from biometric superdatabase - http://bit.ly/cahBsj rules can't have cake and eat it #surveillance #euNov 04 15:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bush makes clear he approved use of waterboarding - http://wapo.st/cpnPtj I'm sure war crimes prosecutors will be glad to hear that #tortureNov 04 16:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @robmyers how could I fail to click on the heart for this one? ~;-)Nov 04 16:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] "Of all the Courts I've encountered, in all my travels, Texas' State Supreme Court was the most … human." http://ur1.ca/28pf0 #ST_TOSNov 04 16:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] ♺ @caostheory: Jelle Hermsen explains why advocacy doesn’t work if you tell someone they’re wrong. http://bit.ly/bPWmBpNov 04 16:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] Penser le droit au 21e siècle http://is.gd/gIsZo avec D. BoullierNov 04 16:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jledbetter: One of the best things about being a programmer? If something bothers me, I can change it! ;)Nov 04 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Jelle Hermsen explains why advocacy doesn’t work if you tell someone they’re wrong. http://bit.ly/bPWmBp << right on (via @caostheory) !fsfeNov 04 16:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] Want to help at !FSFE 's #FSCONS booth this weekend? Mail fellowship AT fsfeurope org with times when you're available!Nov 04 16:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] ♻ @fsfe: Want to help at !FSFE 's #FSCONS booth this wknd? Mail fellowship AT fsfeurope org << helpers receive bright green karma points ;-)Nov 04 16:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] hésite entre un t shirt !fsfe ou un t shirt @laquadrature, ou le hack !mozilla demain (mince, j'ai pas encore de t shirt !april ni !fdn)Nov 04 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] @royhugo Wear them all over one another. It's getting cold anyway.Nov 04 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] ♺ @deputetardy #euglf Débat entre Neelie Kroes + Nick Clegg + Steve Ballmer ... belle brochette ! http://twitpic.com/33uo44Nov 04 16:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @dfscot @techmeerkat: European Union looks set to adopt tougher privacy laws for online companies http://bit.ly/bv2cVA #privacy #ecommerceNov 04 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Listening to Bruce Springsteen - Magic while cleaning up the kitchen and having another coffee...Nov 04 16:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] CC Talks With Eric Frank from Flat World Knowledge for our Open Education and Policy series - http://goo.gl/XjFsBNov 04 16:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @hintjens Would you trust a legal framework that was co-written by Microsoft said "reasonable and non-discriminatory" wrt patents?Nov 04 16:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @bkuhn: I never said you said it is a conspiracy, but you constantly assume ill-will with us from often innocent circumstancesNov 04 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] EU taxpayer to fund #Symbian http://ur.ly/qxis [with the usual Andrew Orlowski anti-Freedom troll warning]Nov 04 16:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Gotta do some editing on LO now... I'm waaaay behind. :/Nov 04 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @orcmid So looking forward to life after #odf 1.2. Having #senioritis about it. Onward to #OIC testing and reference implementations.Nov 04 16:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon Hey, @bkuhn assumes ill-will from *any* corporation. He's very fair that way...Nov 04 16:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Um, so basically it's impossible to update the BIOS on a #ThinkPad if you don't run #Windows ?Nov 04 16:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] last night I jammed with the band after a few weeks, felt awesome to play again - I missed my Severed Fifth brosNov 04 16:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon,hard to assume good intentions when all of #Canonical won't answer about why you won't make © assign promise-back. Still waiting…Nov 04 16:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Let's do a commuter's strike the 15th of November! Oh wait... Their striking theirselves now? Again? http://ur1.ca/29mq1 #iRail #nmbsNov 04 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana I've done w/out Windows: FreeDOS boot floppy. Tried a USB drive once, but #FAIL ed. Some say they've tried it though. See thinkwikiNov 04 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana I've updated my X301. There was a Linux utility somewhere....Nov 04 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon, I didn't assume ill-will until #Canonical stonewalled for nearly a year, refusing to answer a simple question.Nov 04 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @fabsh: but why? companies are just groups of people, who generally have good intentionsNov 04 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @bkuhn: I covered this in my Q+A yesterday, we have been working with SFLC and the focus is on Project Harmony, thought you knew this?Nov 04 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon, As for the survey, I don't think the public record shows me assuming ill will, but rather just not caring to get things right.Nov 04 17:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Anti-FSF Sentiment: Truth Not Relevant http://ur.ly/r7YN !fsf #mobbyistsNov 04 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon, As for survey, IMO public record shows me not assuming ill will, but rather say Canonical just didn't bother to get things rightNov 04 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon Even I don't assume companies have generally good intentions. History clearly shows us otherwise...Nov 04 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] For context: [vlc-devel] FSF position on GPLv2 & current App Store terms http://ur.ly/qIK2 !gpl !fsf !gnu #vlc #appleNov 04 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @fabsh @lefty What was your job description again? Chief Trolling Officer?Nov 04 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @jonobacon: Companies are legal entities whose leaders are responsible to their shareholders. Good intentions are nice, but...Nov 04 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @bkuhn: we did answer the question, it just wasn't the answer you wanted to hearNov 04 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] ♺ @furtherfield: Don't forget 'In the Long Run' by IOCOSE is opening at HTTP Gallery tomorrow evening http://tinyurl.com/267o2m6Nov 04 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon, which law firm you have doing the drafting isn't what is at issue. See http://ur1.ca/24q97 & http://ur1.ca/23h7z for background.Nov 04 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @robmyers Even worse in case of Canonical since it's privately owned... ;)Nov 04 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jonobacon What was the answer?Nov 04 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon,you answered: "Why, if you don't plan to proprietarize, won't you make a binding promise back not to?" ? Where can I find answer?Nov 04 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon, it seems your Q&A requires proprietary software by default. Where can I find instructions to watch with Free Software?Nov 04 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon, to be very clear: I often asked that exact question of you, Silber, Asay, Shuttleworth & Brock. No one will answer it, AFAIK.Nov 04 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh although I think I've heard @bkuhn argue the opposite :-)Nov 04 17:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @fabsh: http://is.gd/gIyv0 #iforgotaboutthatNov 04 17:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn that actually would be a good name for a law firmNov 04 17:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @bkuhn: I am not getting dragged into yet another identi.ca debate with you, you know my position on things, I have things to doNov 04 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana,In that order? I picked the order roughly at random. The order I asked them is actually: Brock, Bacon, Silber, Shuttleworth & Asay.Nov 04 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I think the order would have to be: Shuttleworth Silber Asay & BrockNov 04 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @josephtartakoff Microsoft's online services division posted a worse-than-expected 8% increase in sales; losses up to $560m from $477m.Nov 04 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon,again,you avoid answering question. If identi.ca, email & blogs are wrong fora to ask it, where should I ask it to get an answer?Nov 04 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I've been assuming @jonobacon would not be a partner yet, let alone a named oneNov 04 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon, BTW, I also asked Silber on #GNOME conf call & you in person as well. To your credit, your answer in person was: "I don't know."Nov 04 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @jonobacon I would like to watch it using free software too.Nov 04 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Having fun with Google translate ... a wonderful invention for writerly research (not to mention segues into procrastination) !NaNoWriMoNov 04 17:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Amazon has more full-time employees than Google. Does it mean that Google is better at automating workflows? #oneclickshoppingNov 04 17:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Apache way meets the Oracle way (ZDNet): http://zd.net/dzQwaXNov 04 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Will Netflix destroy the Internet? (Slate) http://slate.me/aEOctdNov 04 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Unity Weekly Status - 2010-11-03 http://goo.gl/Ha8vP !uNov 04 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Another reason to use the cloud: a lower carbon footprint (Ars): http://bit.ly/9IqE4jNov 04 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: How-to Install Ubuntu on the Samsung Vibrant http://goo.gl/Ab38mNov 04 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Chinese Decade http://ur.ly/qNqF "Something has been bothering me lately and it is our assumption that China is the world’s next superpower"Nov 04 17:28
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sebsebsebHiNov 04 17:29
schestowitzHelloNov 04 17:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Since he doesn't want to discuss here, I emailed @jonobacon to ask the same simple question I've been asking #Canonical, Ltd. for a year.Nov 04 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Well, me and @bkuhn often disagree.... :)Nov 04 17:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: I am upgrading to Fedora 14 :)Nov 04 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana,indeed, privately held companies, while less transparent by default, can actually be controlled by someone with good intentions.Nov 04 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, In fact, until launch of proprietary #UbuntuOne, I believed strongly #Canonical only had good intentions. It's gotten worse since.Nov 04 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @laurelrusswurm as if we need any more help with such segues !NaNoWriMoNov 04 17:36
schestowitzsebsebseb: but did you use 13?Nov 04 17:38
sebsebsebschestowitz: yesNov 04 17:38
sebsebsebschestowitz: Ubuntu after years to Mandriva,  to  Ubuntu again to try Unity, to Fedora 13Nov 04 17:38
schestowitzWeird if true: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/10/15/teen.texting.mashable/index.htmlNov 04 17:39
sebsebseband yeah Fedora Core 2 and 4 were my first distros back in 2004 and 5 and such anyway yeahNov 04 17:39
schestowitzUnity with who?Nov 04 17:39
schestowitzThe FIsher Price Company?Nov 04 17:39
sebsebsebschestowitz: so Fedora 14 after this yep, and then I may put on the Mageia alpha in DecemberNov 04 17:40
schestowitzCodePope: "Google doesn't physically ship product...."Nov 04 17:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] @evan The Internet has been berry berry good to me. Without it, I'd have to get a real job...Nov 04 17:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oops. Forgot to add text [IMG]: http://ur.ly/qJwvNov 04 17:41
schestowitzGoogle doesn't physically ship product....Nov 04 17:42
schestowitz good pointNov 04 17:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] @bkuhn are you allowed to dent the answer?Nov 04 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] my quick summary of linux plumbers' conference day 1: http://ur1.ca/29n3i #lpc2010Nov 04 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] okay kde, I know this is a strange concept but generally when I click on a swf I wanna open it in gnash, not vlc....Nov 04 17:43
schestowitz!q ☛ "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into." loved that #quote ☛ @schestowitzNov 04 17:44
schestowitzIt's that FSF vs Apple thing...Nov 04 17:45
schestowitz"Ah, I see the point, I think: Modifying and distributing a program is usage! And so “you may only use for X” excludes those."Nov 04 17:45
schestowitzSome Oracle employee is responding now...:Nov 04 17:46
schestowitz"@schestowitz #Oracle did NOT remove #innodb from anything; they added a FREE embedded version that's MyISAM only. http://bit.ly/bx6y30"Nov 04 17:46
schestowitzThe thing is, I just passed along someone's dent, I didn't make the claim myselfNov 04 17:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. I said 'your name finally getting a band' about @20lb on LO. ROFL...Nov 04 17:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @mairin,if #Bacon answers question, I'll ask if I can post answer, but won't do so unilaterally: direct email should be private by default.Nov 04 17:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Fedora Project Leader apparently not worried about Unity: http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/11/red-hat-not-worried-about-ubun.htmlNov 04 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Upgrading to Fedora 14!Nov 04 17:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatteron/@themadhatteron] The TPM Provisions in Bill C-32 Are Not In Compliance With The WIPO Internet Treaties #cdnpoli http://bit.ly/97f1oRNov 04 17:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How The Defense Department And NSA Is Hyping Cyberwar To Better Spy On You http://ur.ly/rajK #privacy #nsaNov 04 18:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: How The Defense Department And NSA Is Hyping Cyberwar To Better Spy On You http://ur.ly/rajK #privacy #nsaNov 04 18:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @toros: !OMG !Ubuntu: How-to Install Ubuntu on the Samsung Vibrant http://goo.gl/Ab38mNov 04 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: Chinese Decade http://ur.ly/qNqF "[...] China is the world’s next superpower"Nov 04 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Went into a Swindon phone shop today and asked how much interest there was in Windows phone 7 this is a quote he said "Almost none" #kin2Nov 04 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] At rehearsals.... Richard is busy studying his text.... :)Nov 04 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Thursday http://lwn.net/Articles/413279/rssNov 04 18:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] What If VisiCalc Had Been Patented? http://t.co/YmCXtHhNov 04 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz @rsandu Watch with who Bill Gates is aligning.Nov 04 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: How The Defense Department And NSA Is Hyping Cyberwar To Better Spy On You http://ur.ly/rajK #privacy #nsaNov 04 18:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Next Thursday @hackmanagement joins us for a webcast on open innovation, are you ready to reinvent management? | http://bit.ly/b4b8rSNov 04 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Ghosts of Unix past, part 2: Conflated designs http://lwn.net/Articles/412131/rssNov 04 18:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Listening now to http://www.di.fm/eurodance/ On XMMS !Nov 04 18:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith I have to admit that laugh every time I see your new avatar. I'm sure I saw her wearing an ODF cap.Nov 04 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @rahulsundaram: "Fedora rarely ends up getting the credit it deserves for making desktop Linux as usable over the yrs" http://ur1.ca/29nb2Nov 04 18:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Can be arranged with the magic of Gimp! ;-DNov 04 18:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Despite Scare Talk, Attacks on Pentagon Networks Drop http://ur.ly/qWgR also see http://ur.ly/qW0BNov 04 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @jerezim RT @jamie_love: I was told today there is a new modified #ACTA text, that is different from Oct 2 version, and secret.Nov 04 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] wish I could make it, but hit up the Open Source Loft Party in SF - http://t.co/S0bexQMNov 04 18:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @agentsmith I see mr been but who is it supposed to be?Nov 04 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @agentsmith BeanNov 04 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz @satipera It's an homage to our newly elected president and Mr. Bean, Ms. Bilma. LOL :-DNov 04 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @agentsmith I thought it might be, but she must have dyed her hair since :-)Nov 04 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Spaghetti Open Data: 32 aggregated DBs for people interested in transparency and extracting information from public data http://ow.ly/34zrjNov 04 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] New Surveys Say Publishers Expect #Mobile To Pay Off Big Within Two Years http://is.gd/gIHJnNov 04 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Google quashes 12 #Chrome bugs, gives users early #Flash fix http://is.gd/gIHMLNov 04 18:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #GNU / #Linux users excited about #Fedora 14 features http://is.gd/gIHSiNov 04 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listening to the other actors discussing scenes with the director is quite fun...Nov 04 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @didiermisson: #Drupal Group : 1ère réunion vendredi 12 novembre 20h au CCM à Braine-l'Alleud : http://ur1.ca/28ekh http://culbutte.beNov 04 18:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @agentsmith: What If VisiCalc Had Been Patented? http://t.co/YmCXtHhNov 04 18:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Five Best Linux Live CDs, according to @jzb: http://bit.ly/aKeDVm #linux #knoppix #puppylinx...Nov 04 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Illicit Action Network http://ur.ly/qHXR "AAN is attacking Russ Feingold as revenge for his votes for financial reform" > democracy???Nov 04 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Five Best #Linux Live CDs http://is.gd/gIIxXNov 04 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith don't insult Mr. Bean like this :-)Nov 04 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: htop command is much better then top command. #linux http://bit.ly/cve5cZNov 04 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] How The Defense Department And #NSA Is Hyping Cyberwar To Better Spy On You http://is.gd/gIILW #dod #cyberwarNov 04 18:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz What ? I kill 2 birds with one stone... :-DNov 04 18:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack: study http://ur.ly/qwMp but it's the legal one, profitable tooNov 04 18:50
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/9577 Society's Most Harmful, Widely-Advertised DrugNov 04 18:51
schestowitzHey, it's on TV, so it's OKNov 04 18:51
schestowitzLike tobacco :-)Nov 04 18:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz How The Defense Department And NSA Is Hyping Cyberwar To Better Spy On You http://ur.ly/rajK #privacy #nsaNov 04 18:51
WireWulfschestowitz: I need my whisky to operate :PNov 04 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith Very amusing. Who's that odd-looking character in your new twitter avatar?Nov 04 18:53
schestowitzWireWulf: operation as in surgery? :-)Nov 04 18:53
schestowitzAnyway, I'm still trying to understand why one of the more physically harmful drugs is "legal"Nov 04 18:54
schestowitzSurely there's a big industry and lobby behind itNov 04 18:54
schestowitzIn California the booze industry works to keep pot illegalNov 04 18:54
schestowitzThe only 'drug' I ever 'did' was alcohholNov 04 18:54
WireWulfpot is worse then alcoholNov 04 18:55
schestowitzAnd I know it's relatively damaging to the body... I just need to obey the laws and work within the limitations imposed by induistryNov 04 18:55
schestowitzWireWulf: not according to many studiesNov 04 18:55
schestowitzpot is considered one of the least harmfulNov 04 18:55
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schestowitzAlcohol one of the worstNov 04 18:56
WireWulfschestowitz: pot leads to a bigger more oppressive government look at Cali :PNov 04 18:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz a boy disguised as Ghandi, drinking juice. ;-) B4 I changed my avatar in Twt to Adolf Jobler and a friend of mine complainedNov 04 18:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz In society as a whole yes. For an individual no, although heroin administered by medics to addicts is actually very safe.Nov 04 18:56
schestowitzWireWulf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svgNov 04 18:57
WireWulfschestowitz: there is a saying "everything in moderation"Nov 04 18:58
WireWulfI am not addicted to the drinkNov 04 18:58
schestowitzNot the drinkNov 04 18:58
schestowitzThe drug in itNov 04 18:59
WireWulfalcohol is needed to a pointNov 04 18:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera also see http://ur.ly/qF6uNov 04 19:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Adolf Jobler http://www.velvetacidchrist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/adolf-hitler-with-a-mac.jpg Think DifferentNov 04 19:00
schestowitzhttp://www.muktware.com/n/02/2010/425Nov 04 19:00
schestowitzWireWulf: depends.Nov 04 19:00
schestowitzFOr some people mentally-soothing drug may be neededNov 04 19:01
schestowitzBut there are better optionsNov 04 19:01
schestowitzAlcohol is hard for the body to processNov 04 19:01
schestowitzIf they need to suppress physical pain, then again you have better optionsNov 04 19:01
schestowitzAlcohol is a very very old drug...rather primitiveNov 04 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RD @x1101: he who controls the spice controls the universeNov 04 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ovidiusoft: How to use a raw disk image file in VirtualBox http://bit.ly/d8HfPVNov 04 19:01
WireWulfand used alotNov 04 19:02
schestowitzPeople have found better compositions that do not have the side effect of harming the liver for exampleNov 04 19:02
schestowitzI never used any illegal drug, but I did learn about the history of elevating alcohol as drug of choiceNov 04 19:02
schestowitzIt's an industry worth a trillion over yearsNov 04 19:02
schestowitzWireWulf: horses and carriages toNov 04 19:03
schestowitzWireWulf: horses and carriages tooNov 04 19:03
WireWulfI am not for prohabtionNov 04 19:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Quick guide to running Ubuntu in the cloud by Ahmed - http://is.gd/gIKgJ #ubuntu #cloudNov 04 19:03
schestowitzWhy is alcohol exempted?Nov 04 19:03
schestowitzHistorically it was class related, I gatherNov 04 19:03
WireWulfalcohol has just been used for a long timeNov 04 19:04
MinceRbecause it's the "white people"'s drugNov 04 19:04
WireWulfMinceR: nahNov 04 19:05
MinceRpeople with different colors use different drugsNov 04 19:05
MinceRsince those people are considered inferior, their drugs must also be inferiorNov 04 19:05
MinceRhence, bannedNov 04 19:05
WireWulfalcohol's roots are from africa around the earilist humans :PNov 04 19:05
WireWulfMinceR: sure look at everything like that :PNov 04 19:06
MinceRhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Prohibition_%28drugs%29#Drug_Laws_.28Early.29Nov 04 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Listening to Allison Crowe "Dearly" while I #amwriting *in the groove* woo hoo! !NaNoWriMoNov 04 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #China Is A Major !Linux Market, Contributor http://ur.ly/r4kQ Not just when it comes to Linux...Nov 04 19:06
WireWulfMinceR: some other drugs like opem are highly addictive and can make people act outNov 04 19:07
MinceRyes, some drugs like ethanol and tobacco are highly addictiveNov 04 19:08
MinceRsee the diagram schestowitz linked aboveNov 04 19:08
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svgNov 04 19:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith: I'm not a Mac fan, but I'd buy one for the sake of this picture... :)Nov 04 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @satipera and remember that alcohol used to be the "illegal" drug for a while http://ur.ly/qVuF cultural decisions?Nov 04 19:10
MinceRnice picture (Adolf Jobler)Nov 04 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz Interesting data. For heroin, most of the harm is done due to problems associated with illegality. Not to be recommended thoughNov 04 19:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu It's the contrary effect I'm trying to achieve here: Don't buy from a totalitarian megalomaniac tyrant! ;-)Nov 04 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu I prefer reinhardt http://ur.ly/r5TyNov 04 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz: superb !Nov 04 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz More and more nations are adopting a more sensible approach to the problems associated with all drugs. War on drugs is bad jokeNov 04 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Whitehouse.gov Wins #OSFA Award - Linux Magazine Online by @rikkikite | http://bit.ly/aBDvqV via @linuxmagazine #opengov #drupalNov 04 19:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: #China Is A Major !Linux Market, Contributor http://ur.ly/r4kQ Not just when it comes to Linux...Nov 04 19:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Reading Zim manual http://www.zim-wiki.org/index.html it's a light app, very nice :)Nov 04 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] New Video: Full footage of Linus' shark tank dive last night compiled in short video here: http://bit.ly/aFrvxo #linux #lpcNov 04 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith: I know what you've meant, but let's say that, in a world of avatars, my avatar should be this: http://is.gd/gIM8t Pls look eyesNov 04 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu Poor Heihachi, looks very sad.Nov 04 19:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz: http://is.gd/gIMqr :)Nov 04 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Firefox 4 Beta for Mobile is Now Faster and Sleeker http://bit.ly/aWUyYnNov 04 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] He is an admiral that fighted those Russians to complete anihilation. THE Admiral. :-) http://is.gd/gIMHX http://is.gd/gIMLGNov 04 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu Is that the legendary Yamato submarine ?Nov 04 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith: No, that's Mikasa, the battleship of the Admiral.Nov 04 19:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu Ahhh...Nov 04 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith: Yamato is much more modern, in our times http://is.gd/gINc8Nov 04 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith: Yamato was bigger than our times aircraft carriers. So huge that it frightened the sea itself... :-|Nov 04 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu Even more modern is this one http://www.otal.umd.edu/~mgk/blog/yamato.jpgNov 04 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Linux-com Video: Full Footage of Linux Torvalds Shark Tank Dive http://bit.ly/9sSIyj #lpc2010Nov 04 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith: Please look silently at this picture (not Yamato, but Bismarck) http://is.gd/gINZHNov 04 19:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @agentsmith: I will go now - wish you a nice evening... :)Nov 04 19:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I've noticed, when you update !Fedora, especially the first update after installing, it often says "delta rebuild" That's a worrying phraseNov 04 19:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @bkuhn heh. don't let your lawyer know about pdfedit ;-)Nov 04 19:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It's only worrying cos I have no idea what the hell it means though. Everytihng seems to go just fine !FedoraNov 04 19:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm still very new to Fedora and even using Debian based systems, I was only good at following instructions :)Nov 04 19:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] http://vimeo.com/15626087 - Very inspiring talk on apps marathon by @kodel : Mobile app strategy do's & dont'sNov 04 19:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Fedora Thanks to everyone who educated me about Delta packages, I'm not quite as ignorant as I was 10 minutes ago :)Nov 04 19:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 182 dents!Nov 04 19:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] FSCONS 2010 - http://bit.ly/d2jy81 the place to be, I gather (but then I would say that, considering...) #freesw #fscons #swedenNov 04 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Fedora That's Presto plugin is really clever. In fact, it's something all systems, let alone Linux distros, should copy, in principleNov 04 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Eh? @fsf _snail-mailed_ me the assignment forms?Nov 04 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Fundraiser for @djspooky's new arts nonprofit in NY on 11/09. @jimmy_wales, Moby, Thurston Moore co-host. http://bit.ly/aZuisENov 04 20:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] b.t.w. Really loved TechBytes Episode 1 : http://is.gd/gIQfa !free software !gnu !linux !techrights !openbytesNov 04 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] interested in becoming a designer for a free software project? the latest #fedora design team bounty is out! http://ur1.ca/29o2yNov 04 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When, not if, will full-body "naked scans" become mandatory in the USA? http://ur.ly/r6G7 N/TSA must love TERROR~1. Let them do anything...Nov 04 20:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] The !NaNoWriMo site is having difficulties, so its great to be able to post wordcounts here (especially as now I'm having some) 4,156Nov 04 20:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Sitepoint talks about legal issue with e-mail newsletters. http://cli.gs/QP5PTNNov 04 20:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Naomi Wolf - The Bush Administration's "Watch List" http://ur.ly/r0X7 #nsa #privacy #surveillanceNov 04 20:13
schestowitzhttp://pogson.6k.ca/2010/11/01/us-dept-of-the-interior-buys-vapourware/Nov 04 20:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "'Free software' is a matter of liberty, not price." -Richard Stallman // many bad things these days depend on software, except h/w DRMNov 04 20:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Okay, so the RegisterImage #EC2 method does not allow to tie ephemeral devices to AMIs anymore?Nov 04 20:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Toshiba AC100 Android smartbook http://ur.ly/r9NH so-called smartbooks (ARM) are here, !Linux onlyNov 04 20:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes RT @ml2mst Hey Roy/Tim depends on what you expect of me. I would gladly participate yet I wonder how I cold possibly contribute?Nov 04 20:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle 'friend' fails crucial Java leadership test • The Register http://bit.ly/ab5dZGNov 04 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Nice. SEalert crashed while trying to report a bug.... OoNov 04 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Key Java figure says 'JCP no longer credible' (ZDNet UK): http://bit.ly/ciHACHNov 04 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Thinking of starting a fake Steve Jobs account. Yep. You suck. You are wrong... White iPhone? I never said that!Nov 04 20:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD @schestowitz: Anti-FSF Sentiment: Truth Not Relevant http://ur.ly/r7YNNov 04 20:36
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sebsebseberuiopeuptioperut34857erutoperiutoruitNov 04 20:38
sebsebsebertioperutoperuteriputerioputuriutNov 04 20:38
Diablo-D3quit pasting your passwords in hereNov 04 20:39
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: hehNov 04 20:39
sebsebsebno those weren't passwords :)Nov 04 20:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Updated Windows Vs. Ubuntu hardware requirements http://ur.ly/r2g4 Windows off the chart. !linuxNov 04 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Statement by the Apache Software Foundation Board on recent Java-related events : http://bit.ly/bKUzVkNov 04 20:40
sebsebsebEnder2070: you use Fedora with KDE yeah?Nov 04 20:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Top 5 Best Popular !Linux Distributions http://ur.ly/qQ1NNov 04 20:45
schestowitz"But if you passed it along then you believed it. More importantly the people who read what you RT'd need to be corrected."Nov 04 20:46
schestowitzRight.... I'll need to correct this...Nov 04 20:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz Updated Windows Vs. Ubuntu hardware requirements http://ur.ly/r2g4 Windows off the chart. !linuxNov 04 20:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @sheeri #Oracle did NOT remove #innodb from anything; they added a FREE embedded version that's MyISAM only. http://bit.ly/bx6y30Nov 04 20:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 43% slower than 10.10 http://ur.ly/r4B7 "it just makes me a little sad." #phoronixNov 04 20:53
Ender2070sebsebseb - yes I doNov 04 20:54
sebsebsebschestowitz: uh theres no alpha yet of 11.04Nov 04 20:54
Ender2070you can chill with the guys who do the KDE spin #fedora-kdeNov 04 20:54
sebsebsebEnder2070: right well apparentlyNov 04 20:55
sebsebsebyou guys basically don't exist,  according to a article I read earlierNov 04 20:55
Ender2070LOLNov 04 20:55
Ender2070what articleNov 04 20:55
sebsebsebEnder2070: yeah i'll get you the link :)Nov 04 20:55
Ender2070bruce byfield?Nov 04 20:55
sebsebsebnoNov 04 20:55
Ender2070steven j nicolas?Nov 04 20:55
schestowitz" @schestowitz !linux ☛ on desktop is not an issue of linux but of the window manager you use. KDE for me has been very good." < same hereNov 04 20:55
sebsebsebEnder2070: yesNov 04 20:55
Ender2070LOLNov 04 20:55
sebsebsebEnder2070: on PC WorldNov 04 20:55
Ender2070yeahNov 04 20:55
sebsebsebEnder2070: ok so you did read it? well in that case I don't need to get link :DNov 04 20:56
Ender2070cause he never did "yum install @kde-desktop"Nov 04 20:56
Ender2070or used the kde spinNov 04 20:56
sebsebsebhe also recommend Ubuntu to newbies,  well no OpenSuse being recommended this timeNov 04 20:56
schestowitzI read that tooNov 04 20:56
sebsebsebanyway I am getting a bit sick of that in a way in articles, how they keep on recommending Ubuntu onlyNov 04 20:56
schestowitzIIRC SJVN said all Fedora users he knows are on gnomeNov 04 20:56
Ender2070i havent read itNov 04 20:56
Ender2070link itNov 04 20:56
Ender2070one of the KDE SIG people are running for boardNov 04 20:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OLPC's $75 tablet debut delayed by 45 days http://ur.ly/rmgJ but it least it's coming. !linux #olpcNov 04 20:56
schestowitzsebsebseb: maybe one day people will leave ubuntu and get back to Linux :-)Nov 04 20:56
sebsebsebI mean distros such as Mandriva, PC Linux OS, and I guess that Unity Linux that I have never tried,  are a lot more user friendly, and it should be quite obvious as to why after trying :)Nov 04 20:57
Ender2070jreznikNov 04 20:57
schestowitzUbuntu=for human beingsNov 04 20:57
schestowitzImplies: !iubuntu=for animals?Nov 04 20:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: maybe Mageia will be the next most popular desktop distro :)  now that would be something I expectNov 04 20:57
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schestowitzsebsebseb: if you guys can build up the reputationNov 04 20:57
Ender2070Ubuntu isn't linuxNov 04 20:57
sebsebsebEnder2070: no?Nov 04 20:58
schestowitzMarkS uses half-naked people to promote UbuntuNov 04 20:58
schestowitzSo you need to win against sex... hard taskNov 04 20:58
Ender2070It's proprietary software bundled with the linux kernel and gnuNov 04 20:58
schestowitznaaa..Nov 04 20:58
schestowitzI was kiddingNov 04 20:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] Anyone want a little ipv6 game?Nov 04 20:58
sebsebsebEnder2070: well not exactly, but if you mean Ubuntu One,  I can see where your coming fromNov 04 20:58
Ender2070lol in the extremeNov 04 20:58
Ender2070most of the stuff canonical actually writes is proprietaryNov 04 20:58
sebsebsebUbuntu is not a open source project,  Ubuntu is a commerical productNov 04 20:59
schestowitzhttp://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1408Nov 04 20:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz "43% slower" is a terrible metric. Needs much more detailed qualification... #LiesDamnedLiesAndBenchmarksNov 04 21:00
sebsebsebEnder2070: well I messed up my Fedora very slightlyNov 04 21:00
sebsebsebEnder2070: probably just need to install the correct package and problem solved thoughNov 04 21:00
Ender2070 yeah i fixed my issue tooNov 04 21:01
Ender2070using f14 on the laptopNov 04 21:01
sebsebsebEnder2070: I had the Nivida driver installed,  and I removed it,  and whatever else with that orh watevever, so the latest kernel I had in Fedora 13 woudn't boot up properly, and had the alternative Nivida driver is installed PLymouth theme,  but I had mesa whatever installed as well.   older two kernels workNov 04 21:01
Ender2070oh yeah, you can get the latest enlightenment on fedoraNov 04 21:02
Ender2070yum install enlightenmentNov 04 21:02
Ender2070its e17Nov 04 21:02
sebsebsebworked in Fedora 13 and work in Fedora 14 (or did I only try one in 14 hmm)Nov 04 21:02
sebsebseband it will say Fedora 13 when booting those in Fedora 14 on the PlymouthNov 04 21:02
Ender2070in fedora 14Nov 04 21:02
Ender2070the application that configures x for you crashesNov 04 21:02
Ender2070you have to do it manuallyNov 04 21:02
Ender2070rpmfusion has to fix itNov 04 21:03
sebsebsebEnder2070: ohNov 04 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Exhibitionists: there's never been a better time to travel by air!Nov 04 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Amazon's Dynamo, a plan for distributed key-value storage system (All Things Distributed-2007): http://bit.ly/c29CmuNov 04 21:03
Ender2070this fixed it for me http://lists.rpmfusion.org/pipermail/rpmfusion-developers/2010-November/008742.htmlNov 04 21:04
Ender2070I had to create those two filesNov 04 21:04
sebsebsebEnder2070: well older kernels working with open driver it seems, but not Nivida anymore. and I was meant to have been able to use open driver for Gnome Shell, if I had mesa whatever installed, but tried that and no.  and I had it working before, but not properlyNov 04 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Netbook Desktops.. !Ubuntu #Unity http://ur.ly/ro5D "Unity ... maddeningly inconsistent to use, amazingly inflexible and un-configurable"Nov 04 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz http://rww.to/9HZ2x5Nov 04 21:05
Ender2070oh that stuffNov 04 21:05
sebsebsebEnder2070: well two issues nowNov 04 21:05
sebsebsebit was only one beforeNov 04 21:05
sebsebseb,but  I removed Nivida so now get twoNov 04 21:05
Ender2070ahhhNov 04 21:06
Ender2070are you using rpmfusion nvidia drivers?Nov 04 21:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] Goodbye cruel identi.caNov 04 21:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Don’t Underestimate !Ubuntu http://ur.ly/rcU8 "I see users who dismiss Ubuntu as a lightweight distro for newbies only."Nov 04 21:06
schestowitz"Cheer up! It's only and alpha. There's months of polishing coming......"Nov 04 21:06
schestowitz^Ubuntu benchmarksNov 04 21:07
schestowitzshow results for an alpha that does not existNov 04 21:07
sebsebsebEnder2070: yep I guess its rpmfusio9n nivida driverNov 04 21:07
sebsebsebI wonder if Fedora has the lastest Gnome Shell, that omgubuntu was on about recnetlyNov 04 21:08
sebsebsebEnder2070: anyway the having to use 3rd party drivers and that kind of stuff, is why Fedora isnt' recommended to newbies useually, one of the reasonsNov 04 21:09
sebsebsebEnder2070: 3rd party repos I meant aboveNov 04 21:10
schestowitzre UNITY: "I read this, and its hogwash. The problem is not knowing what to do with choice. It confuses those who are not accustomed to it [...] no disrespect to the poster of course! "Nov 04 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK now I have reached an impass. I can't see how to make !Fedora 14 login automatically, unless I have to create a schemas file? Stumped nowNov 04 21:10
sebsebsebschestowitz: on the subject of unity and such, well  jono s ustream session yesterday was great, and their is a video :)Nov 04 21:10
sebsebsebschestowitz: also yeah choice,  quite a lot of users who use Ubuntu, would only really want one app for a taskNov 04 21:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3: @schestowitz http://rww.to/9HZ2x5 // well, well.. what a surprise. Not. "W3C Clarifies Results of Recent HTML5 Compliance Tests"Nov 04 21:11
sebsebsebschestowitz: Ubuntu will  try and get them all using Unity sure, but some may find out about Gnome Shell, and upstream Gnome, and such, and then wonder, why they were basically forced into using Unity instead of the proper Gnome Shell, if you get what I meanNov 04 21:12
sebsebsebthen again Unity will probably be more user friendly for the average compuer users, or something like thatNov 04 21:12
schestowitzsebsebseb: could beNov 04 21:13
schestowitzgnome just lost PetersNov 04 21:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: Stormy Peters?Nov 04 21:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @carlopiana sending PDFs won't work?Nov 04 21:13
sebsebsebThe Gnome woman, who wrote that aritcle about Unity and such not that long ago?Nov 04 21:13
sebsebsebI think she was called thatNov 04 21:14
schestowitzsebsebseb: yesNov 04 21:14
sebsebsebWhat!  Why?Nov 04 21:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: also that article I read from her, what I just mentioned, I really liked it :)Nov 04 21:14
sebsebsebthat was a good read when I was away, and only had limited Internet time, it really wasNov 04 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I'll watch "The Others" once more and hope I won't fall asleep this time :-)Nov 04 21:15
hazzyYes!Nov 04 21:15
sebsebseb20 minutes Internet for free per day,  really not that long for geeks like us :DNov 04 21:15
hazzyThe 'A State of Trance' website dumped SilverlightNov 04 21:15
hazzyFinallyNov 04 21:15
sebsebseband I wasn't going to pay five euros for another 20 minutes :DNov 04 21:15
sebsebsebaltough the last time I was on it, I was asked if I wanted more time, so that may have been for free, but nah I didn'tNov 04 21:16
sebsebsebschestowitz: So why did they lose Stormy?Nov 04 21:16
sebsebseband I didn't know about the 20 minutes for like the first three days, but then I found out since...  and yeahNov 04 21:17
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sebsebsebschestowitz: also jono mentioned in his ustream session how the apps would still be Gnome,  well yeah, but some are Mono, such as Banshee,  still Gnome apps really though, but yeahNov 04 21:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @andreahorwath Over 1000 arrests & $1B later the McGuinty Liberals vote NO on a public inquiry on the #G20 SHAMEFUL #onpoli #freeByronNov 04 21:18
sebsebsebschestowitz: and I read on omgubuntu that they would improve Banshee quite a lot for 11.04Nov 04 21:18
sebsebsebimprove the user interface and suchNov 04 21:19
sebsebsebor whateverNov 04 21:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] What's new in Fedora 14 (The H) http://lwn.net/Articles/413329/rssNov 04 21:20
sebsebsebhazzy: not sure what that site is, but ok sounds good to me :)  that they dumped it I meanNov 04 21:21
sebsebsebalso loads of people hate/dislike Flash,  well open source type people and such, but uhmmNov 04 21:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New !Linux software targeted at schools http://ur.ly/ryKV "Based on !Ubuntu, Userful MultiSeat"Nov 04 21:21
sebsebsebI would much rather have Flash than Silverlight,  and Flash tends to work well enough for me most of the time,  Firefox may crash or something though at times, because of it of course though hmmNov 04 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] 5 Things You Didn’t Know About Microsoft’s Kinect | Product Reviews | Wired.com http://ur1.ca/29onqNov 04 21:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What's new in #Fedora 14 http://ur.ly/rlKu !gnu !linux #redhatNov 04 21:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] @silner AutomaticLoginEnable=true AutomaticLogin=silner in [daemon] /etc/gdm/custom.conf or use accounts-dialogNov 04 21:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I need to actually win a conquest victory in #CivIVNov 04 21:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] damn been waiting for that sweet. Sabayon Linux 5.4 “Experimental Spins”: Stable release http://wolf911.us/wgo/?p=516Nov 04 21:28
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes I sawNov 04 21:29
sebsebsebschestowitz: Why did they lose Stormy?Nov 04 21:29
schestowitzAsk herNov 04 21:29
sebsebsebschestowitz: uh?  I mean I did read she  used IRC as well, but uh, ask where what? surely there will be articles about it anyway?Nov 04 21:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Watching Big Bang Theory, Wallowitz is in A&E trying to have a robot hand removed from him. #funnyNov 04 21:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rw @schestowitz I've come to consider those who don't "get" #freedom, or the advantages of !linux, as lacking in intelligence. Major ...Nov 04 21:31
schestowitz"Wow. That's why I'm now an #OTG ☛ #Linux ☛ user. I found Gnome in general was that way. (OTG = Other than Gnome)"Nov 04 21:32
schestowitzsebsebseb: don't know, not seen anyNov 04 21:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: ok so where did you get the stormy left Gnome thing from then?Nov 04 21:32
schestowitzShe went to MozillaNov 04 21:33
sebsebsebOhNov 04 21:33
schestowitzAfter writing about issues in gnome last weekNov 04 21:33
sebsebsebalso that reminds me, I read that Mozilla gave Gnome quite a lot of money recentlyNov 04 21:33
schestowitzthey didNov 04 21:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @rsandu Thanks friend, I wish you the same. Best regards!Nov 04 21:33
schestowitz$15kNov 04 21:33
sebsebsebok got some links on that?  I am a bit behind on Linux news again, since I was away and thatNov 04 21:33
sebsebsebthe story Gnome issuesNov 04 21:34
sebsebsebstuff I meanNov 04 21:34
sebsebsebstormy, aboveNov 04 21:34
schestowitzsee her blogNov 04 21:34
schestowitzend of nov.Nov 04 21:34
sebsebsebok got a link for that?Nov 04 21:34
sebsebseband you probably mean end of octNov 04 21:34
sebsebsebschestowitz: got a link?Nov 04 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @stav HP's Palm !Pre 2 Features Speedier WebOS 2.0, Solid Hardware http://ur1.ca/29oq2Nov 04 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Cops Pay $4,000 to Man Who Flipped Them Off | Threat Level | Wired.com http://ur1.ca/29os1Nov 04 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Mark Shuttleworth: !Unity on Wayland http://goo.gl/jSIDv !uNov 04 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @ElizabethMay Two days ago I tweeted "kudos to Jim Prentice!" And today he quit. So... "Kudos to Stephen Harper!" It's worth a try! #GPCNov 04 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Good system. I've deployed some here in Brazil.Nov 04 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @aliasxerog well #Unity is pretty. too bad it doesn't do anything useful. yet (maybe).Nov 04 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @rlameiro: #lo People Who Should Not Run Linux http://ur1.ca/28dnxNov 04 21:41
schestowitzsebsebseb: bong is your friend :-)Nov 04 21:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: bing?Nov 04 21:43
Diablo-D3microsoft bong weed intake deviceNov 04 21:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith nice!Nov 04 21:43
Diablo-D3the liecensing is a little weird though, you have to pay per bong hitNov 04 21:44
Ender2070lolNov 04 21:44
Diablo-D3but if you're an enterprise user, you can pay a large flat fee (but you have to provide your own bong, or download one)Nov 04 21:44
Ender2070however, your windows live account can be used to score achievementsNov 04 21:44
Diablo-D3Ender2070: ... that actually sounds coolNov 04 21:45
Diablo-D3maybe you can skin your bong tooNov 04 21:45
Diablo-D3have like, a master chief bongNov 04 21:45
Ender2070$20 per skinNov 04 21:45
Ender2070$$$$$$$Nov 04 21:45
Diablo-D3Achievement Unlocked: Playing Halo while stonedNov 04 21:46
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Ender2070everyone would have that oneNov 04 21:46
Ender2070who played haloNov 04 21:46
Diablo-D3doritos in one hand, xbox controller in the otherNov 04 21:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Music: How Weezy and Kanye West Returned From Exile | Magazine http://ur1.ca/29otrNov 04 21:46
Ender2070Achievment Unlocked: Spilled Pepsi all over the controller while taking a bong hit while Playing HaloNov 04 21:47
Diablo-D3man, I have never ruined a controllerNov 04 21:47
Diablo-D3I had a keyboard last 12 years before it diedNov 04 21:47
Diablo-D3spacebar quit firing, and then wasd finally wentNov 04 21:48
Diablo-D3apparently, quake is bad for keyboardsNov 04 21:48
Ender2070lolNov 04 21:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Basically, they made a customized xorg.server which makes use of all video outputs of the video cards in a systemNov 04 21:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Thus anabling mult-user at the same time in a single machine, just adding keyboards, mice and monitors. Quite coolNov 04 21:48
sebsebsebUh what is Wayland?Nov 04 21:48
Ender2070for me it was etNov 04 21:48
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: wayland is the windowing system that is "replacing" XNov 04 21:49
Diablo-D3its a fdo project that uses mesa/gallium heavilyNov 04 21:49
Ender2070replace X, LOLNov 04 21:49
Diablo-D3its sort of a "what if" X wasnt designed by fucking moronsNov 04 21:49
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: well I had no idea about something called wayland, untill just now, since the indetica message, and the shuttleworth blog entry I just read, and  then asking hereNov 04 21:49
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: wayland has google and redhat involvementNov 04 21:49
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: fdo??  free desktop something?Nov 04 21:50
Diablo-D3Ender2070: theres no LOL, even X.org themselves are supporting itNov 04 21:50
Diablo-D3fdo = freedesktop.orgNov 04 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Home AV Product of the Year: Netflix Streaming | Product Reviews | Wired.com http://ur1.ca/29ouhNov 04 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] rebooting !linuxlibre server into !trisquel taranis, just upgraded to itNov 04 21:50
Diablo-D3Ender2070: imagine X, but with no legacy bullshit, no X protocol, and everything uses modern advanced APIsNov 04 21:50
Ender2070[17:49] <Diablo-D3> its sort of a "what if" X wasnt designed by fucking morons +1Nov 04 21:50
Diablo-D3its small, fully functional, and perfect for embedded hardwareNov 04 21:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Tired.................Nov 04 21:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Cool video.Pity there were more words than action. But, the govt is in the right path. In some yrs, the results will be betterNov 04 21:53
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sebsebsebOk back, knocked computer lost power, but this time also on KDE instead of GnomeNov 04 21:56
sebsebsebso yeah got Diablo-D3 saying what fdo was, but that was itNov 04 21:57
Diablo-D3someone paste him backlogNov 04 21:57
sebsebsebEnder2070: I don't like Fedora's default KDE set up much at allNov 04 21:57
Diablo-D3my X is acting upNov 04 21:57
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sebsebsebEnder2070: Mandriva 2010.1 KDE 4 very nice indeed by default, and even better with the background changer slide show pictures from Mandriva and its repos :)Nov 04 21:58
Ender2070nahhhNov 04 21:59
Ender2070i tried it they failNov 04 21:59
sebsebsebnah I think it was awesomeNov 04 21:59
sebsebsebthe icons and so onNov 04 21:59
sebsebsebhow things are set up by default :)Nov 04 21:59
sebsebsebwhere the Firefox icon is and all thatNov 04 22:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians: Allowing the thief to negotiate with his victim http://ur1.ca/29owy #occupationNov 04 22:00
sebsebsebEnder2070:thats an earlier KDE, from what Fedora has now, but oh its :)Nov 04 22:00
Ender2070i dont like how they turn it into kde3Nov 04 22:05
Ender2070with app icons on the desktopNov 04 22:05
Ender2070they also dont always have the latest kdeNov 04 22:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Mandriva 2010 é muito melhor do que o Ubuntu.Nov 04 22:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Mandriva 2010 is Way better than Ubuntu.Nov 04 22:06
Ender2070fedora usually has the latestNov 04 22:08
gnufreexanybody have md5 number of Fedora 14?Nov 04 22:09
gnufreexCan't find it.Nov 04 22:09
gnufreexI paused a lot during DL...Nov 04 22:09
gnufreexDon't want to throw last DVD.Nov 04 22:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Ubuntu Is Going To Deploy Wayland With Unity: This is going to be short as I have another flight to catch to San... http://bit.ly/9aj3D1Nov 04 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The World Bank Is Quietly Funding a Massive Corporate Water Grab http://ur1.ca/29oz7 #capitalismnoscamistoolowNov 04 22:10
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Diablo-D3well I guess wayland is deadNov 04 22:11
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Diablo-D3oh wellNov 04 22:11
hazzygnufreex: https://fedoraproject.org/en/verifyNov 04 22:11
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gnufreexThanks hazzy.. dont't know how i missed that.Nov 04 22:11
hazzyNpNov 04 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Okay my client's #Dell monitor is as gorgeous as my laptop's… I know the manufacturer of my next one ;)Nov 04 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 4/11/2010: Red Hat in Dubai, Unity on Wayland http://ur.ly/rqaHNov 04 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @TheMonsterBlogs 10 K !nanowrimo 10 K victory dance! #amwriting <wahoo for you!Nov 04 22:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 4/11/2010: Red Hat in Dubai, Unity on Wayland | Techrights .::. Size~: 140.33 KBNov 04 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @ml2mst b.t.w. Really loved TechBytes Episode 1 : http://is.gd/gIQfa !tb !techrightsNov 04 22:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TechBytes Episode 1: Apple, Microsoft, Bundling, and Fedora 14 (With Special Guest Brandon Lozza) | Techrights .::. Size~: 81.51 KBNov 04 22:15
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sebsebseblost power againNov 04 22:18
sebsebsebEnder2070: Fedora 13 and 14 not that much difference really, well not that is just seen anywayNov 04 22:19
sebsebsebalso I saw the notice form agentsmith and yeah :)Nov 04 22:19
sebsebsebMandriva is better than Ubuntu really for a lot of us,  just most Ubuntu users woudn't know that,  so I hope the fork will be even better, and known to be better :)Nov 04 22:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I solved my very last !Fedora 14 issue with one line: echo "modprobe floppy" >> /etc/rc.local and thanks to Status on the forums for thatNov 04 22:20
sebsebsebanyway I might put PC Linux OS on here, on Saturday or somethingNov 04 22:20
sebsebsebaround Saturday maybeNov 04 22:21
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schestowitzthey have a new releaswNov 04 22:21
schestowitz2010.10Nov 04 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Excluding cached downloads and downloads from the @openbytes site, episode 1 of !tb was downloaded over 1300 times so farNov 04 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK why the hell did that line linkify? Oh well sorry anyway.Nov 04 22:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah someone mentioned to me, that somethign would be coming outNov 04 22:22
sebsebseba new ISONov 04 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Sydney's Powerhouse Museum to launch open image repository using CC licenses: http://bit.ly/9ruaJSNov 04 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Does anyone know if the underground passage still exists between Toronto's Union Station and the Royal York Hotel?Nov 04 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I have to walk across a field in the dark, in the wind and the rain nowNov 04 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Holy moley, SupaWife made an unbelievable coq au vin for dinner. Yup, she's definitely one of the good ones. :-)Nov 04 22:25
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sebsebsebschestowitz: in a way,  Fedora is like Ubuntu, hyped up, but not that great reallyNov 04 22:26
sebsebseboh we lost ender oh wellNov 04 22:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ooooh google street view is so amazing for refreshing geographical details !NaNoWriMo (and no, google is NOT paying me to say these things)Nov 04 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Embedded Linux Flag Version http://lwn.net/Articles/413341/rssNov 04 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] A contagious cancer ? http://bit.ly/7QZxMgNov 04 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Um câncer contagioso ? http://bit.ly/7QZxMgNov 04 22:31
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Medicine: A Contagious Cancer? - TIME .::. Size~: 48.55 KBNov 04 22:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Medicine: A Contagious Cancer? - TIME .::. Size~: 48.55 KBNov 04 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] A distro produced by a corporation privately held by a single individual has an actual community of just one member.Nov 04 22:36
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/gnome-has-the-help-wanted-sign-out/7685?tag=mantle_skin;contentNov 04 22:42
schestowitz"There are managers who are good at charming corporations into giving their money, their time, and their imagination to a cause. There are teammates who are just good with people, peer-to-peer. Peters is of the latter school. GNOME needs someone from the former."Nov 04 22:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] Whew, everything packed for trip to #FSCONS tomorrow. Off to bed now.Nov 04 22:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @osamak no. Negotiating an agreement involves multiple edits with redlines. A PDF works only for the final (clean) version.Nov 04 22:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] !Qualcomm USB modem is !crap and sucks big time for not releasing !opensource drivers !Linux !Fedora.Nov 04 22:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Listening to http://www.di.fm/club on XMMS!Nov 04 22:56
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MinceRgnNov 04 23:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @linuxcanuck: #Linux #ereaders are evolving into #Android #tablets http://is.gd/gJ8rpNov 04 23:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Embarrassing moment: So I was silently impersonating a pair of ladies' underwear when someone gently explained it was "pant_o_mime".Nov 04 23:11
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Strernreisehttp://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com/2010/11/gun-foot-bang.htmlNov 04 23:20
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StrernreisegringeNov 04 23:20
StrernreiseI never thought the guy was as much of ahole as techrights made him seemNov 04 23:21
Strernreisebut I may have been wrongNov 04 23:21
Strernreiseeven if you don't usally agree with rms, apple apologism is another matter altogetherNov 04 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Win VIP admission for two to the Pioneer Awards on Monday! Submissions due by midnight PDT tonight!! https://eff.org/r.2tJNov 04 23:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Just got back from campus...my advisor told me I have to work more more freaking quarter on my project...dammit!Nov 04 23:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Win VIP admission for two to the Pioneer Awards on Monday! Submissions due by midnight PDT tonight!! https://eff.org/r.2tJNov 04 23:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] How Android, BlackBerry and iPhone users see one another http://ur1.ca/29pjtNov 04 23:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] "Divergence IV: A New Hope" Updated To v0.7.7, Comes With Installation Script And More [Gnome Theme Pack] http://bit.ly/dpeQ4vNov 04 23:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @pla1 @mohanpram: #Android users see Blackberry users as dinosaurs http://ur1.ca/29pjt [funnier the more you look]Nov 04 23:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz I should really better host the files my end..can't tell you how many downloads Ive had...Nov 04 23:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz Having listened to the shows I think whats needed is a standard intro/welcome....Nov 04 23:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] 1:40mins to go in school. and the rain is a bitch outside.Nov 04 23:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] QQ vs 360 – on the Chinese Internet users lose http://bit.ly/byCGfENov 04 23:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz amongst other things...my 12 day work week is nearly over...I'll have more time to give to the project...Nov 04 23:46
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_Goblin2 more days to go....Nov 04 23:49
_Goblinthen off 3 days.....Nov 04 23:49
_Goblincan't wait.....Im too old for this game....Nov 04 23:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] my new hardcore poem http://poetry.catharcyst.com/2010/11/republican-republican-dried-croc-tear.htmlNov 04 23:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @openbytes: you need a schedule or it will be chaos. 65th to 71st minute will be etc... with time for slack, we are with youNov 04 23:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Shuttleworth: Unity on Wayland http://lwn.net/Articles/413351/rssNov 04 23:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] this is "public service broadcasting" apparently http://bit.ly/c0ucTX #BBC #extortionracketNov 04 23:56
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