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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] saw an awesome little game from Rick Spencer, great work :-)Nov 06 00:03
-TRT/#techrights-[jonobacon] saw an awesome little game from Rick Spencer, great work :-)Nov 06 00:05
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] US 'exploited' Iraq communal strife | Al JazeeraNov 06 00:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] (Growing racism in Israel) http://ur1.ca/2a0lpNov 06 00:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] one more reminder - Open Source Initiative bash tomorrow in San Fran - http://is.gd/gLoWQ :-)Nov 06 00:13
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-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] US 'exploited' Iraq communal strife | Al Jazeera http://is.gd/gLoS7Nov 06 00:15
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-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] "The United States is in grave danger of losing its way" (WikiLeaks, video) | Telegraph http://is.gd/gLpc6Nov 06 00:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] @dandart that is enormous funNov 06 00:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jmcesteves Na Ocidental Praia Chinesa: RT @DiarioNoticias: Proibida "contramanifestação" da Amnistia nos Jerónimos http://bit.ly/9dgw9ONov 06 00:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] @bruce89 Aye, tis, captain.Nov 06 00:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Proibida "contramanifestação" da Amnistia nos Jerónimos - Portugal - DN .::. Size~: 72.69 KBNov 06 00:20
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] Hundreds of WikiLeaks related videos for your enjoyment http://is.gd/gLpoBNov 06 00:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] the javascript-driven desktop scripting console is the best debugging aide we've had yet. doesn't need debug symbols, can poke at anything.Nov 06 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] got ++useful information about how x.org and ergo kephal sees the screens in a multihead setup thanks to it and a bugs.kde.org reporter.Nov 06 00:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] it's a classic "scratch my itch" feature, too: i wrote that thing for me. turns out its useful to lots of others too. huzzah!Nov 06 00:40
-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Major League Baseball Claims Dodgers Still Own Trademark On Brooklyn Logo, Despite Leaving Town 53 Years Ago http://dlvr.it/85XzRNov 06 00:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Major League Baseball Claims Dodgers Still Own Trademark On Brooklyn Logo, Despite Leaving Town 53 Years Ago | Techdirt .::. Size~: 23.08 KBNov 06 00:41
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] Supporters make WikiLeaks flag; the issues are not entirely a joke. http://rixstep.com/1/1/1/20101027,01.shtmlNov 06 00:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] it looks like Gnewbook.org has been penetrated and defaced. I hope they have a backupNov 06 00:47
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] The destruction of the Iraqi middle class | Truthout http://is.gd/gLrJgNov 06 00:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] SQ308 all boarded and ready to rock and roll to LHR. Nice to have a standby pilot seated next to me too :-). #fbNov 06 00:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @aseigo: nice to see #KDE 's #digikam getting more mainstream attention: http://www.thephotoargus.com/freelance/introduction-to-digikam/Nov 06 00:57
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-TRT/#techrights-[einfeldt] RT @philshapiro: Linux E-Readers are evolving into Android-tablets http://bit.ly/cJQWkO With #Amazon & #BN leading the way.Nov 06 01:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] will be meeting up with @rabbitrun84 and @AvengerMojo.Nov 06 01:07
-TRT/#techrights-[jonobacon] anyone know of a Wordpress plug-in that is basically the same as Facebook's like feature, so I can show a list of folks who like a page?Nov 06 01:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] anyone know of a Wordpress plug-in that is basically the same as Facebook's like feature, so I can show a list of folks who like a page?Nov 06 01:08
-TRT/#techrights-[mgeist] RT @dtapscott: In May 2009, US govt had 47 data sets available online. Today, 274,000 data sets available. http://j.mp/cbpzgENov 06 01:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] (Biodiversity agreement a sham) http://ur1.ca/2a10hNov 06 01:12
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://twitter.com/#!/nphase/status/703101367488512Nov 06 01:12
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://twitter.com/nphase/status/703101367488512Nov 06 01:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Twitter / Wilfried Schobeiri: Ballmer just sold $1.3bn w ... .::. Size~: 12.98 KBNov 06 01:13
qu1j0t3= nphase Wilfried SchobeiriNov 06 01:13
qu1j0t3 by ValdisKrebsNov 06 01:13
qu1j0t3Ballmer just sold $1.3bn worth of MS stock. For "personal reasons" amounting to "financial diversification." What a load of BS.Nov 06 01:13
qu1j0t3schestowitz: bot needs fixin'. where trmanco?Nov 06 01:16
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-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] A JavaScript Gameboy Emulator, Detailed In 8 Parts http://bit.ly/bacfRzNov 06 01:21
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-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] CIA refuses to confirm or deny plot to assassinate WikiLeaks editor; open government-Obama style http://is.gd/gLvcnNov 06 01:38
-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Chief Patent Judge Feigns Ignorance Of How Often Patents Are Used To Hinder Innovation http://dlvr.it/85cbrNov 06 01:38
-TRT/#techrights-[jonobacon] still a work in progress, but http://openrespect.org is now live - I updated the declaration based on feedbackNov 06 01:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] still a work in progress, but http://openrespect.org is now live - I updated the declaration based on feedbackNov 06 01:38
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_GoblinGood evening/morning all....Nov 06 01:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] can I suggest to have the #FedoraZH meeting on Saturday? I am always home late now, so unable to attend on Friday! :-sNov 06 01:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Only 1 more day of work (after 12 days straight) ..... it can't come soon enough...shattered.Nov 06 01:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Thanks and congrats to @k410, @bdesmet and @ppapadeas http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2010-November/015962.html !FedoraNov 06 01:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] SupaWife and I just had the most marvelous dinner ar Bistro Bethem. Cute woolly li'l lambs figured heavily, as did a marvelous malbec.Nov 06 01:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] For those of you who didn't know, 15 years married (+5.5 bonus) to this rockin' lady. It's no mystery why she's ruling me.Nov 06 02:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @jonobacon i nice idea. but like any statement with a similar scope, it has significant unresolvable gaps (140 words isn't enough for depth)Nov 06 02:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @jonobacon shouldn't you have used freerespect.org? #duckingNov 06 02:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @jonobacon imho, what you wrote is laudable, probably unachievable for a small but significant % of the time, but most of all needs scopingNov 06 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @aseigo hah, I just actually mailed you to see if you will advocate it - sure, won't solve all problems, but I think is a start :-)Nov 06 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @jonobacon the primary implicit assumption is the commonality of _a_ community. that is, in fact if not in desirability, a fallacy.Nov 06 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @jonobacon if we ever get a chance to talk about this in person, ask me about cod and iceland some time to jog my memory :)Nov 06 02:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @fontana: Let the world know: The JSON.org license http://www.crockford.com/JSON/license.html is not freeNov 06 02:12
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Chips_B_MalroyHi all!Nov 06 02:14
Chips_B_Malroythey must be all sleeping on the other side of the pondNov 06 02:15
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704353504575597102844299096.html?mod=googlenews_wsjNov 06 02:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Filing: CEO Ballmer Sells $1.34 Billion in Microsoft Stock - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 137.56 KBNov 06 02:16
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft Corp. Chief Executive Steve Ballmer sold $1.34 billion of Microsoft shares in recent days, his first share sales in the company since 2003."Nov 06 02:17
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft said Mr. Ballmer sold about 50 million shares in recent days, amounting to about $1.34 billion. In a statement, Microsoft said Mr. Ballmer could sell up to 75 million shares in total, including his recent sales, by the end of the year."Nov 06 02:18
-TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] #ff @christellar who is a very well brought up Canadian young ladyNov 06 02:18
Chips_B_Malroy"Because of the infrequency of his share sales, Microsoft sought to allay concerns that Mr. Ballmer's move hints at a lack of confidence in the company."Nov 06 02:18
Chips_B_MalroylolNov 06 02:18
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Chips_B_Malroy"Before his recent share sale, Mr. Ballmer held approximately 408 million Microsoft shares, the company said."Nov 06 02:19
Chips_B_MalroyIf this isn't an impending sign that the stock is going tank soon, then its a sign of Ballmer being soon forced out, or both.Nov 06 02:19
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/Microsofts-CEO-Ballmer-sells-12-stake/articleshow/6877859.cmsNov 06 02:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft's CEO Ballmer sells 12% stake - The Economic Times .::. Size~: 66.64 KBNov 06 02:20
Chips_B_Malroy"According to a filing to the US Securities and Exchange Commission on Friday, Ballmer sold 49.3 million Microsoft shares in the last three days, at prices between $26 and $28 per share. "Nov 06 02:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] (Democracy in Afghanistan) http://ur1.ca/2a1edNov 06 02:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @aseigo I think that is the point, we *are* a community, just with different directions - so, wanna be an advocate for the declaration? :-)Nov 06 02:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] just tried #telepathy-theonering for #Google Voice on !Fedora: works! have to consider packaging this. #bigGNov 06 02:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @aseigo also, curious about the cod and iceland :PNov 06 02:22
Chips_B_Malroy"As of Friday, Ballmer still holds about 359 million Microsoft shares, or 4.2 percent of the company, worth about $9.6 billion."Nov 06 02:22
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft shares closed down 1 percent at $26.85 on Nasdaq on Friday, before the share sales were made public."Nov 06 02:22
Chips_B_MalroyNotice that the sales were not made (at least the news of the sale) public until late Friday.Nov 06 02:23
Chips_B_MalroyBecause a sale like this by the CEO would have caused the stock price to tank.Nov 06 02:24
Chips_B_MalroyIt looks like Ballmer is trying to cash in, and just doesn't have enough stock, even with his one position on the board itself, to prevent his eventual outster.Nov 06 02:25
Chips_B_MalroyJust more rats deserting the sinking ship, but this time it might be the CEO himself.Nov 06 02:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @jonobacon i humbly disagree. we are many communities with commonalities. that does not make us one community.Nov 06 02:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @jonobacon that is not just sophistry: community begets social commitment and results in tools that can be used for interaction.Nov 06 02:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @jonobacon commonality allows one to build bridges between communities.Nov 06 02:27
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/11/ballmer-selling-up-to-18-of-his.htmlNov 06 02:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft CEO Ballmer to sell up to $2B in stock, 18% of stake .::. Size~: 54.8 KBNov 06 02:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @jonobacon respect, for better or worse, works very differently within a community versus between communities. diff motives and expressions.Nov 06 02:28
Chips_B_Malroy"Congress is currently debating the future of the tax cuts put in place during the Bush administration, with the possibility that taxes on capital gains and dividends could rise to 20 percent or more from the current 15 percent if an extension isn't approved."Nov 06 02:29
Chips_B_MalroyIt could be another reason, but would 5% really cause such a move on Ballmer's part?Nov 06 02:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @aseigo right, so I assume you are declining to be an OpenRespect advocate?Nov 06 02:30
Chips_B_Malroy"In the recent election, Ballmer contributed more than $400,000 to the successful campaign to defeat Initiative 1098, which would have imposed an income tax on people in the state earning more than $200,000 a year."Nov 06 02:31
Chips_B_Malroy"Ballmer last made a sale of Microsoft stock in 2003. Bill Gates remains the largest individual shareholder in the company. The Microsoft chairman routinely sells 80 million shares a year in a portfolio diversification strategy. As of the company's last proxy statement, Gates owned 621 million shares, or more than 7 percent of the company."Nov 06 02:32
Chips_B_MalroyOk, so neither Ballmer or Gates wants to be left holding the bag of Microsoft stock when it tanks.Nov 06 02:33
Chips_B_MalroyBut if you sell it too fast, it will surely tank.Nov 06 02:33
-TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] Does anyone actually miss Don Lafontaine?Nov 06 02:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @jonobacon unfortunately, yes, though not because i'm against respect or feel it to be unimportant :)Nov 06 02:37
Chips_B_MalroyCould it be that WP7 is already a bust, with Kinect not far behind?  Is this the real reason that the CEO is dumping stock?Nov 06 02:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] @aseigo ok, that's a shame, no worries!Nov 06 02:40
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/11/trend-micro-cries-antitrust-over-microsoft-security-essentials.arsNov 06 02:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Trend Micro cries "antitrust" over Microsoft Security Essentials .::. Size~: 30.21 KBNov 06 02:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] folks, go and vote on this bug: http://is.gd/gLAfc #ubuntuNov 06 02:43
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-TRT/#techrights-[jonobacon] folks, go and vote on this bug: http://is.gd/gLAfc #ubuntuNov 06 02:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !Fedora board still seeking for nominations: http://is.gd/gLAyj http://is.gd/gLAym /cc: @jsmithNov 06 02:45
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-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] EU Proposes 'Right To Be Forgotten' Online, In Contradiction With Free Speech Concepts http://dlvr.it/85jWLNov 06 02:48
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-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Despite FTC Settlement, Intel Can Ship Oak Trail Without PCIe http://bit.ly/aLeeAFNov 06 02:51
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/17289/microsoft_admits_ipad_is_killing_netbook_marketNov 06 02:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft admits iPad IS killing netbook market - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 75.02 KBNov 06 02:55
Chips_B_Malroy"I've said it before now I'm saying it again, the iPad is indeed cannibalizing netbook sales. For proof, you don't have to ask Best Buy's boss, nor do you have to listen to the analysts, you just need to speak with Microsoft, which now admits the iPad is killing the netbook market."Nov 06 02:57
Chips_B_Malroy"Speaking to The Seattle PI, Gavriella Schuster, general manager for Windows product management engaged in a conversation as follows: "But the success of the Apple iPad, and the impending Google Android (and Chrome OS?) tablets, are beginning to threaten Windows' hold on the "and" PC market. Real Windows-based iPad competitors aren't expected until sometime next year. So I pointed to Schuster's netbook and asked about theNov 06 02:58
Chips_B_Malroyrecent trend.""Nov 06 02:58
Chips_B_Malroy"These are definitely getting cannibalized," she said. "These are really a second device. But they are getting cannibalized.""Nov 06 02:58
Chips_B_Malroy"Sure, Microsoft continues to call these devices "and" devices, saying they aren't strictly speaking computer replacements, but instead augment a user's computer, but when it comes to that second computer, the iPad seems to be coming into its own. Indeed, if iPads were counted as PC purchases, Apple would be the leading PC vendor by sales in the "Nov 06 02:59
Chips_B_MalroyUS"Nov 06 02:59
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Chips_B_MalroyLess we forget the impact of the iPhone followed by Android (powered by Linux).  Expect the same thing will shortly happen in the Tablet market with Android and ChromeOS powered by Linux.Nov 06 03:01
Chips_B_Malroy"Apple holds 95 percent of the tablet market."Nov 06 03:04
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/209738/microsoft_scales_the_heights_of_cluelessness.htmlNov 06 03:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Scales the Heights -- of Cluelessness - PCWorld .::. Size~: 71.05 KBNov 06 03:05
Chips_B_Malroy"But given how many mistakes Microsoft made in the design of the Windows Phone 7 OS, it probably makes sense to focus on not using the device. No one, as near as I can tell, will want to spend much time with it. Maybe the slogan should be "The smartphone for people who hate smartphones.""Nov 06 03:06
oiaohm_Android is only first wave of Linux.Nov 06 03:08
oiaohm_Meego is lining up to be second wave.Nov 06 03:08
Chips_B_MalroyyesNov 06 03:08
Chips_B_Malroy"It doesn't support copy-and-paste. It doesn't offer an easy way to switch between open applications. And it doesn't have a universal search that allows you to find applications, content, messages or other data stored on your device."Nov 06 03:08
oiaohm_So we are going to have meego vs androidNov 06 03:08
Chips_B_Malroy"What's more, its Web browser supports neither Adobe's Flash software nor HTML5, which Apple has promoted as an alternative to Flash. Without those technologies, Windows Phone 7 devices can't display many of the videos or interactive websites that you can access from the latest Android devices or the iPhone."Nov 06 03:09
oiaohm_So with nothing else Linux with have competition.Nov 06 03:09
Chips_B_MalroyThere will be more ARM 'distros in time, yesNov 06 03:09
oiaohm_Really meego is about unifying distributions.Nov 06 03:11
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-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] Unlawful detainment of US contractor whistleblowers possibly detailed in Iraq War Logs http://is.gd/gLC34Nov 06 03:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Torturing the Whistle Blowers: The Case of Vance and Ertel in Iraq, Substantiated by Wikileaks Iraq War Logs « ZERO ANTHROPOLOGY .::. Size~: 62.59 KBNov 06 03:11
Chips_B_MalroyIts important to show that Microsoft is failing to compete with Linux in the form of Android and with Apple on ARM devices.  This will be when the snowball start to speed up on the decline of MS.Nov 06 03:11
oiaohm_Fedora Suse already have meego forms.Nov 06 03:11
Chips_B_Malroy*failingNov 06 03:12
oiaohm_Nightmare for MS is that meego threatens to create a unfied application market for linux.Nov 06 03:12
oiaohm_Also wayland and systemd are altering the ways Linux operates.Nov 06 03:12
Chips_B_MalroySilverlight was not effective as a form of lockin for Microsoft as soon as Android could play Netflix streaming movies.Nov 06 03:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Tell Obama to stop harmful appeals http://ur1.ca/2a1r1Nov 06 03:13
Chips_B_MalroyWhich is why MS seems to have lost most interest in Silverlight.Nov 06 03:14
Chips_B_MalroySo now MS moves to HTML5 and will most likely true to form try to extent it with patents.Nov 06 03:14
oiaohm_Also you are missing something.Nov 06 03:15
Chips_B_Malroyusually amNov 06 03:15
oiaohm_ebook readers most of them will cease to exist.Nov 06 03:15
Chips_B_MalroyyesNov 06 03:15
oiaohm_Instead android and meego will take there place.Nov 06 03:15
Chips_B_MalroyyesNov 06 03:15
Chips_B_MalroyIpad is already doing that tooNov 06 03:15
oiaohm_100 dollar machine market.Nov 06 03:15
oiaohm_Lower than ipad price.Nov 06 03:16
Chips_B_Malroy much lowerNov 06 03:16
oiaohm_That bar MS and Apple cannot effectively operate at.Nov 06 03:16
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Chips_B_MalroyWe should not want the US gov to bail out MS when the time comes, as in "too big to fail."  MS will try to pull that one.Nov 06 03:18
oiaohm_Really here is the funny part.Nov 06 03:18
oiaohm_By the time US gov tries to bail out MS it might be impossible.Nov 06 03:18
Chips_B_Malroyusing taxpayers money to bail out MS when and if it fails, is not funnyNov 06 03:19
oiaohm_Only way to bail MS out would be to raid it and release all its source code.Nov 06 03:19
oiaohm_Basically terminate it existance.Nov 06 03:19
Chips_B_MalroyWell, the brainwashed here will be crying for the gov to bail them out, so they won't have to try another OS.Nov 06 03:20
Chips_B_Malroyinertia is all that is keeping MS going, that and the hold they have on OEM's preinstalls.Nov 06 03:21
oiaohm_But OEM preinstalls are not going to be enough.Nov 06 03:23
Chips_B_MalroyThe preinstalls are now in effect being broken by Apple and Google.  This trend is likely to rapidly accelerate.Nov 06 03:23
oiaohm_Linux has preinstalls now on phones and other devices.Nov 06 03:23
oiaohm_The market is poisoned.Nov 06 03:24
oiaohm_Problem is in a way that there is no way to stop it.Nov 06 03:24
oiaohm_Its exactly like when Linux took the super computer market.Nov 06 03:24
oiaohm_Just on a large scale.Nov 06 03:24
Chips_B_MalroyAt some point, enough users will have used Android/ChromeOS and iOS on ARM devices to try them on Intel computers.  When that happens, MS is dead.Nov 06 03:25
-TRT/#techrights-[linuxtoday] Review: SalixOS 13.1.2 KDE: Linux Critic: "Ever heard of SalixOS? Well, it's only the best (hands-down?) Slackwa... http://bit.ly/cW08UONov 06 03:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux Today - Review: SalixOS 13.1.2 KDE .::. Size~: 76.67 KBNov 06 03:25
Chips_B_MalroyOr should I say rapidly dieing.Nov 06 03:25
oiaohm_Look at when Linux took down the Unix pack of OS's in the supermarket.Nov 06 03:25
Chips_B_MalroyYes, and now it almost Microsoft's turn.Nov 06 03:26
Chips_B_MalroyFollowed by Apple in turn.Nov 06 03:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] finally back in the crib. midterm done #sweetNov 06 03:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] will create a #RPM package for #telepathy-theonering later today. #hasthesourceNov 06 03:32
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/11/01/ballmer_moscow_memo_skolkovo/Nov 06 03:35
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Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft boss Steve Ballmer signed a memorandum of understanding in Russia today, to build a research and development centre ? à la Silicon Valley ? in a location outside of Moscow."Nov 06 03:35
Chips_B_MalroyAnybody else see this as a bribe to Russia so they won't create a national Linux OS?  It definately is more outsourcing of jobs from the USA by Microsoft.Nov 06 03:36
cubezzzyupNov 06 03:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] I have not seen an Educational UX for !MeeGo. What about !Sugar as a UX for #MeeGo?Nov 06 03:38
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/ballmer-vows-millions-for-skolkovo/421681.htmlNov 06 03:38
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Chips_B_Malroy"Ballmer signed a memorandum of understanding with billionaire Viktor Vekselberg, whom President Dmitry Medvedev has tasked with overseeing the project and attracting big-name foreign investors. U.S. hardware giant Cisco Systems agreed in June to invest $1 billion over a decade in the project."Nov 06 03:39
Chips_B_MalroySo its a billion, not millions.  A big bribe to keep Linux out.Nov 06 03:39
Chips_B_MalroyWhoops, that was Cisco with the billion, I got that wrong, sorry.Nov 06 03:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Discover Dominica Travel Video | traveling greener - StumbleUpon http://ur1.ca/2a1xkNov 06 03:43
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/209291/has_steve_ballmer_gone_bonkers.htmlNov 06 03:44
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Chips_B_MalroyBy Robert X. CringelyNov 06 03:44
Chips_B_Malroy"Reviewers by and large agree that Microsoft has made strides with Windows Phone 7, while at the same time noting major gaps -- like the lack of copy and paste, multitasking, or support for Flash. In all, it seems like a fine but flawed phone."Nov 06 03:46
Chips_B_Malroygn allNov 06 03:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] In case anybody missed it, FC United of Manchester through to the FA Cup 2nd round !mufc http://ur1.ca/2a1yhNov 06 03:48
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oiaohm_Cisco systems is slowly producing more and more Linux devices.Nov 06 03:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Listening to @methoddan and @fabsh discussion of copyright, patent and trademark law on !lo 173 :-)Nov 06 03:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jonobacon folks, go and vote on this bug: http://is.gd/gLAfc #ubuntuNov 06 04:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @dandart] if people can't access www.computerworld.com (2.19.154.53) I don't consider that to be a problemNov 06 04:13
-TRT/#techrights-[techdirt] Ministry Of Sound Ditches File Sharing Lawsuits After It Finds Out That BT Actually Protects User Privacy http://dlvr.it/85qSTNov 06 04:21
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schestowitzHiNov 06 04:24
ziggyfishheyNov 06 04:24
schestowitzGood news about BallmerNov 06 04:25
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] Iraqi prisoners were abused at 'UK's Abu Ghraib' (video) http://is.gd/gLGVUNov 06 04:25
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ziggyfishwhat about him?Nov 06 04:26
ziggyfishhttp://nonprofitnewsgroup.com/dell-employees-will-dump-blackberrys-for-phone-7-buy-dell/06110Nov 06 04:27
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schestowitzziggyfish: he's dumping MSFTNov 06 04:28
ziggyfishniceNov 06 04:28
schestowitzziggyfish: and Microsoft must be paying DellNov 06 04:29
schestowitzLike it gave all MSFT employees Vista PhoniesNov 06 04:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] got a million #podcasts to grind throughNov 06 04:30
ziggyfishYeah, it's funny to read some of the articles about it, most say the same thing.Nov 06 04:31
ziggyfishthat Microsoft paid dell.Nov 06 04:31
schestowitzhttp://bestdigitalcamera.info/digital-cameras/midi-to-usb-cable-music-keyboard-ubuntu-studio-linux-10-04-32bit-zynaddsubfx-jack-how-to-tutorial/ "Not sure how I ended up here from the TechRights daily Free software links exactly but I now have hrs of viewing ahead for another season of kids soccer & judo."Nov 06 04:32
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schestowitzHehNov 06 04:32
schestowitzziggyfish: it's a corporate dealNov 06 04:32
schestowitzLike with Blackberry, the employer decide what the staff will getNov 06 04:32
schestowitzSo Dell signed some deal with MicrosoftNov 06 04:32
schestowitzThey must be pushing lots or PR about it right nowNov 06 04:32
schestowitzTo justify the cost...Nov 06 04:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Still don't believe that Microsoft is collapsing? Ask Ballmer what he thinks. Details shortly....Nov 06 04:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Patent Trolls Including #Microsoft Co-founder Are Attacking, #IBM is Not Really Defending http://ur.ly/rlvN #swpats !linux #acaciaNov 06 04:58
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oiaohm_Apple pulling out of the server game is one less pest.Nov 06 05:01
schestowitzLinux wonNov 06 05:24
schestowitzand LF funded someone to say Windows loses ground tooNov 06 05:24
Diablo-D3schestowitz: btwNov 06 05:28
Diablo-D3IBM _shouldnt_ defend unless attackedNov 06 05:28
Diablo-D3it makes them look weakNov 06 05:28
Diablo-D3and, on the flip side, it makes the other side look strongNov 06 05:28
schestowitzYesNov 06 05:28
Diablo-D3ignoring fucktards weakens the fucktard's positionNov 06 05:28
schestowitzBut my point it...Nov 06 05:28
schestowitzBut my point is...Nov 06 05:28
schestowitzSome people out there think IBM is some sort of a guarding angel of LinuxNov 06 05:29
schestowitzIBM works for IBM shareholdersNov 06 05:29
schestowitzANd it's ugly in its own wayNov 06 05:29
Diablo-D3why would anyone think that?Nov 06 05:29
cubezzzIBM hates Microsoft :)Nov 06 05:29
Diablo-D3IBM only makes money from Linux and pays millions a year for Linux development... why would anyone confuse them as a guardian angel?Nov 06 05:29
Diablo-D3cubezzz: yesNov 06 05:29
schestowitzPeople should stop relying so much on OIN and just work themselves to overthrow swpats os USPTONov 06 05:29
Diablo-D3and I love the idea of IBM using Linux as a sort of giant 18" black dildo being shoved up Bill Gates' assholeNov 06 05:30
cubezzzmostly I blame Microsoft for what happened to PCs, but the OEMs have to take a lot of blame tooNov 06 05:32
Diablo-D3I blame AmericaNov 06 05:32
cubezzzif IBM can use Linux to fight Microsoft all the betterNov 06 05:32
cubezzzbut Panasonic, Toshiba, etc, etc ended up with all doze tooNov 06 05:33
ziggyfishany Linux support is good supportNov 06 05:33
Diablo-D3Hey IBM, hey IBM, what is the best in life?Nov 06 05:33
cubezzzI think Toshiba did a tiny amount of BeOS thoughNov 06 05:33
Diablo-D3<IBM> To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!Nov 06 05:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatteron/@themadhatteron] Server Operating System Market Share - Lies, Lies, And More Lies #microsoft #linux http://bit.ly/cZ6LZpNov 06 05:33
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cubezzzIBM was the "bad guy" beforeNov 06 05:34
Diablo-D3arnold shwartzenegger is never the bad guyNov 06 05:34
Diablo-D3srslyNov 06 05:34
Diablo-D3well, except when he isNov 06 05:34
Diablo-D3but its not oftenNov 06 05:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft CEO is Dumping #MSFT http://ur.ly/rkZK #steveballmer #apple !linuxNov 06 05:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @techglance: Googler Accuses Twitter Engineer Of Sexual Assault, Trial By Twitter Commences http://tcrn.ch/a13FbvNov 06 05:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] them #csi shows depict superior cops tweaking the latest tech etc. i don't believe that they are that efficient :)Nov 06 05:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @zeropath: 20 Open Source Movies You Can Edit and Redistribute for Free http://bit.ly/bDwdMNNov 06 06:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @myandroidupdate: #Android Update Latest – Edition 362: #Opera Mobile 10.1 Beta Coming November 9 http://bit.ly/9eHgL4Nov 06 06:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Another Example of IDC Giving Bogus (Meaningless) Numbers and Mary Jo Foley Failing to Report the News http://ur.ly/rBUfNov 06 06:03
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-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Religious Ceremony Leads To Evolution of Cave Fish http://bit.ly/cZ13ZeNov 06 06:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @schestowitz: #Patent Trolls Including #Microsoft Co-founder Are Attacking, #IBM is Not Really Defending http://ur.ly/rlvN #swpats #linuxNov 06 06:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Listening to Allison Crowe's "Crayon and Ink" while finishing my daily dose of !NaNoWriMo words. A good day... wordcount 9291Nov 06 06:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gbraad: !Fedora board still seeking for nominations: http://is.gd/gLAyj http://is.gd/gLAym /cc: @jsmithNov 06 06:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gbraad: just tried #telepathy-theonering for #Google Voice on !Fedora: works! have to consider packaging this. #bigGNov 06 06:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @meegoblog: Read the full press release - redhat.com | The World's Open Source ... http://nowskip.to/cR3S3gNov 06 06:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @quaid: Wow! Introducing the #GNOME Outreach Program for Women interns: http://bit.ly/936bTs < How about a program like that for !Fedora?Nov 06 06:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @wikileaks: CIA refuses to confirm or deny plot to assassinate WikiLeaks editor; open government-Obama style http://is.gd/gLvcnNov 06 06:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Just to be sure, is anybody successfully running Wireless N with NetworkManager !Fedora !F13 !Linux !GNU or is it just my signal strength?Nov 06 06:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @drew: This was one of the first videos for !libreOffice that I found http://bit.ly/cHpelW fittingly it is a silent film !volsvidsNov 06 06:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mohanpram: “YouTube finishes transcoding 80% of video catalog to WebM”: http://bit.ly/dyOs8ANov 06 06:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gege2061: Testez la compatibilité de vos extensions !Firefox et aidez les développeurs : http://hcpt.fr/03Nov 06 06:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rsandu ♺ @mohanpram: “YouTube finishes transcoding 80% of video catalog to WebM”: http://bit.ly/dyOs8ANov 06 06:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @schestowitz: RT @rsandu ♺ @mohanpram: “YouTube finishes transcoding 80% of video catalog to WebM”: http://bit.ly/dyOs8ANov 06 06:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Examples of Stories That !Techrights Got Right Well Before the Rest of the Internet/Press http://ur.ly/roDANov 06 06:35
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schestowitz[nhi/@nhi] Interesting leak about a potential MeeGo product from Nokia: http://ur1.ca/2a31h via @segphaultNov 06 06:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Well, all of Dreamhost seems to have just dropped off the Internet.Nov 06 06:50
oiaohm_I would suspect not a leakNov 06 06:51
oiaohm_History of Nokia Linux based devices.Nov 06 06:53
oiaohm_Late to market but always turn up.Nov 06 06:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Today will be mostly coding but also some catching up with Novell news (Novell due to be sold soon)Nov 06 06:58
schestowitzoiaohm_: seen the post about Ballmer yet?Nov 06 07:01
schestowitzI tried to make it a group postNov 06 07:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Firefox 4 release slips to 2011 http://is.gd/gLRcX #mozilla #firefoxNov 06 07:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] One has to wonder if Google getting rid of its addiction to #AdobeTrash (Flash) would hurt !gnu #gnashNov 06 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @johnsu01 Well, all of Dreamhost seems to have just dropped off the Internet.Nov 06 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Some time this week I'll make my 7500th submission to Digg.com (since Feb. 2006)Nov 06 07:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I first joined Digg when I quit my job at the time in order to concentrate on finishing my thesis. Back in the days I was ranked 17th there.Nov 06 07:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] recent opensuse updates + latest kwin work in trunk == fast-to-the-point-of-not-bugging-me performance with effects, inc blur! wooo!Nov 06 07:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] @schestowitz: Hope not. There are some womderful projects that unfortunately still need #Flash . Such as #openmeetings http://is.gd/gLSb4Nov 06 07:15
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oiaohm_No I have not schestowitz.Nov 06 07:18
oiaohm_Remember I don't use login on your site.  schestowitzNov 06 07:20
oiaohm_Nice artical.  schestowitzNov 06 07:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @rsandu maybe they can embrace html5 like scriptd didNov 06 07:32
oiaohm_schestowitz: you missing something Unix companies tried to use patents as well to slow Linux down in the super market as well.Nov 06 07:42
oiaohm_Nothing MS is doing is different to what has already been tried and failed against LinuxNov 06 07:43
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schestowitzoiaohm_: trueNov 06 07:48
oiaohm_Big problem for MS vs Linux with patentsNov 06 07:48
oiaohm_Is that Linux can play a 20 year + gameNov 06 07:48
schestowitzSureNov 06 07:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Creating the new SUMO Knowledge Base: From zero to code http://bit.ly/9VCxoLNov 06 07:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Find Words Smarter with Word Suggestions http://mzl.la/9AsT0nNov 06 07:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @jonobacon sorry to see you taking a lot of flack. Best to get used to it and not publicly complain IMHO (to avoid more flack).Nov 06 07:48
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schestowitzBut why let Microsoft slow things down, oiaohm_?Nov 06 07:48
oiaohm_Really MS actions are not slowing it down much.Nov 06 07:49
schestowitzI think they doNov 06 07:49
oiaohm_China is the biggest device producer.Nov 06 07:49
schestowitzYesNov 06 07:49
schestowitzAnd Microsoft does extortion in Taiwan nwNov 06 07:49
oiaohm_We need them converted to Linux and Patents don't apply there.Nov 06 07:49
oiaohm_There are large sections of new markets also where patents don't apply.Nov 06 07:49
oiaohm_Linux gets control of them MS still in large trouble.Nov 06 07:50
oiaohm_Ie no more growth.Nov 06 07:50
oiaohm_Then it becomes a pure margin game.Nov 06 07:50
oiaohm_And even patents are not going to give MS margins MS is use to.Nov 06 07:50
schestowitzIt's not LinuxNov 06 07:50
schestowitzAs much as it's GoogleNov 06 07:50
oiaohm_Meego and Android will both be in the game.Nov 06 07:51
schestowitzAnother issue is how Google and Ubuntu (and Red Hat) deal with GNU and LinuxNov 06 07:51
schestowitzEach in their own wayNov 06 07:51
schestowitzGoogle worries me mostNov 06 07:51
schestowitzEsp. AndroidNov 06 07:51
oiaohm_Google is a minor worry.Nov 06 07:51
oiaohm_We need meego in the game.Nov 06 07:51
schestowitzyesNov 06 07:51
schestowitzUsed to have twoNov 06 07:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @johnsu01 so it was just a dream, after all? :-/Nov 06 07:52
oiaohm_China also has a fork of Android that does not use Google items.Nov 06 07:52
oiaohm_So google is not going to have it there own way.Nov 06 07:52
schestowitzMaemo and Intel's multi-faceted oneNov 06 07:52
schestowitzBut not Elop is in charge of itNov 06 07:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lxoliva dreamhost takes a nap, probably outage/network issue /cc @johnsu01Nov 06 07:55
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=meego_11_ubuntu1010&num=1Nov 06 07:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "All businesses based on non-free software ought to fail, and the sooner the better." -- Richard Stallman #microsoft #apple #ethicsNov 06 08:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Microsoft furious at $2,000 bounty for open source Kinect drivers http://ur1.ca/2a3mqNov 06 08:05
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schestowitzEW>>>>Nov 06 08:14
schestowitzhttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/ask-ubuntu-chrome-extension/Nov 06 08:14
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schestowitzWatch top banner at the momentNov 06 08:14
schestowitzIncorrect statementNov 06 08:14
schestowitzPutting the carriage before the horse/sNov 06 08:15
schestowitzDiablo-D3: they probably only pretend not to like itNov 06 08:16
schestowitzIt would help them sell more bricksNov 06 08:16
schestowitzAnd then tell game makers to develop for 360 because more people bough those black bricksNov 06 08:16
schestowitzMicrosoft does not sell these at a loss, afaikNov 06 08:17
Diablo-D3they dont seem to work right anyhowNov 06 08:17
schestowitzIt's a betaNov 06 08:22
schestowitzLike KINNov 06 08:22
schestowitzUsed to be called NatalNov 06 08:22
schestowitzBut they named it more like Kin... fittingNov 06 08:23
schestowitzThe thing alone costs about the same as a whole Wii with motion-sensing controllerNov 06 08:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @appelond Check out http://ur.ly/rshK > inventing and promoting robotics... for purposes of aggress^H^HdefenceNov 06 08:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How are today's users of "KIN" phones (about 503 of them, reportdly) doing? Does Microsoft ship firmware updates for them? #kin #wp7 #failNov 06 08:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] bwuahahaha "Kabletown ... with a K." ah, 30 rock.Nov 06 08:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Oh god. We failed miserably.... :( @methoddanNov 06 08:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @cne: #Google Maps ist Schuld wegen falschem Grenzverlauf: Truppen aus #Nicaragua waren versehentlich in Costa Rica... *gg*Nov 06 08:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] God I feel like shit.... #hangoverNov 06 08:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] @dandart Mutter ate all the memory, so that's why I left the carnage earlyNov 06 08:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Slashdot descends to very shoddy reporting? http://ur.ly/s1nE Read the commentsNov 06 08:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @telecomix Test run of #ACTA in Mexico. Free software activist detained without judicial order http://bit.ly/b7ghYq #censurachiapasNov 06 08:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @avilarenata: Free Software developer Héctor Bautista arrested in Chiapas his equipment was seized http://ur1.ca/29wpd #acta #suppressionNov 06 08:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “DRM is nearly always the result of a conspiracy of companies... executives responsible for it should be sentenced to prison.”-- @rmsNov 06 09:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @chaosstar666: In Berg Demonstrieren... http://yfrog.com/0autrzj #castor !antiAKWNov 06 09:00
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-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Street View On iOS Pierces German Privacy Veil http://bit.ly/as3RbKNov 06 09:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Is MS manufacturing wp7 scarcity stories to explain bad sales? As one commenter put it "In other words-hurry up and buy" http://ur1.ca/2a3zyNov 06 09:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Poor company has its reputation ruined in the press: http://ur.ly/rEfsNov 06 09:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @satipera Is MS manufacturing #wp7 scarcity stories to explain bad sales? As one commenter put it "In other words-hurry up and buy"Nov 06 09:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When Windows Vista was launched there was channel stuffing and probably fake shortages... same old trick played every time.Nov 06 09:05
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oiaohm_Simple fact makers are not making Windows 7 phones in advance.Nov 06 09:18
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schestowitzupon demand?Nov 06 09:18
schestowitzMaybe they learned from KinNov 06 09:18
schestowitzlet me dent itNov 06 09:19
schestowitzIt's funNov 06 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Simple fact makers are not making Windows 7 phones in advance" --oiaohm // lessons from KIN and SideKick? Many KINs got disposed of.Nov 06 09:20
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oiaohm_Yes the did lean from KinNov 06 09:28
oiaohm_learn from kinNov 06 09:28
oiaohm_particularly when they had paid for the MS licence on every kin phone that never sold.Nov 06 09:28
oiaohm_Even when they had to recycle them.Nov 06 09:28
oiaohm_So Windows 7 phones are make on demard.Nov 06 09:29
oiaohm_Android phone does not cost you as much if you have to recycle it.Nov 06 09:29
WireWulfwindows phone 7 sucksNov 06 09:33
WireWulfBSoDs and has no memory to run appsNov 06 09:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @wikileaks Julian Assange intends to seek asylum in Switzerland (video, fix link) | http://is.gd/gJ0iUNov 06 09:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @zoobab Software Patents in the EU like a letter to the post: http://ur1.ca/29ou0Nov 06 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @wikileaks Norwegian US spy ring that may have monitored WikiLeaks event in Oslo at Grand Hotel, busted http://is.gd/gJ35wNov 06 09:38
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schestowitz"U.S. regrets all of the activities that WikiLeaks has done--past, present, and future" http://ur.ly/ro7BNov 06 09:41
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ml2mstOh the horror, I'm using M$ Windooze right now :-(Nov 06 09:44
cubezzzwhat for?Nov 06 09:44
ml2mstEleBBSNov 06 09:45
ml2mstI have to fix the Linux version of EleBBSNov 06 09:45
ml2mstPlanned to fix it yersterday night.Nov 06 09:45
cubezzza BBS?Nov 06 09:45
ml2mstBulletin Board System (via Telnet)Nov 06 09:46
ml2mstOld school :-)Nov 06 09:46
cubezzzyes, I knew that... I'm just surprised anyone still uses oneNov 06 09:46
schestowitzml2mst: hiNov 06 09:47
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ml2mstIt's even worst, I'm not using one, I'm providing one :-/Nov 06 09:48
schestowitzwho to?Nov 06 09:48
ml2mst@schestowitz: hi Roy!Nov 06 09:48
ZiomatrixMS. gets bitter taste of it's own patent pushing antitrust medicine: http://bit.ly/c592ygNov 06 09:48
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schestowitzEwww...Nov 06 09:49
schestowitz Thom HolwerdaNov 06 09:49
schestowitzDon't link to such Microsoft boostersNov 06 09:49
schestowitzNotice how he spins it for MicrosoftNov 06 09:49
schestowitzCalling TM just a trollNov 06 09:49
schestowitzAnd calling a push "optional"Nov 06 09:49
schestowitzCan TM also have this "optional" thing in Windows update?Nov 06 09:50
ml2mstNice to notice I'm not the only one who thinks Holwerda is a M$ booster :-pNov 06 09:50
ZiomatrixI had my suspicions he was a MS. booster by the way he defends MSE calling it an outstanding suite despite lack of any sufficient phishing protection and failing certain testsNov 06 09:50
schestowitzSlashdot too has Microsoft plugsNov 06 09:51
schestowitzLike this:Nov 06 09:51
schestowitz-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] iFixit Tears Down Microsoft's Kinect For Xbox 360 http://bit.ly/aIUcTRNov 06 09:51
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schestowitzZiomatrix: I dumped OS News cause of ThomNov 06 09:51
schestowitzTell him Microsoft is not hiringNov 06 09:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @SteffiLemke: jetzt gibt es auch Bilder von der Mahnwache: http://bit.ly/aIS1dA #castor #luechow !antiatom !politikNov 06 09:52
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Ziomatrixwhen it comes down to it TM has similar grounds to sue as Netscape did for bundling.Nov 06 09:52
schestowitzSo he can get back to actually making OS News a _news_ siteNov 06 09:52
Ziomatrixhe also boosts an "open source" bounty for KINectNov 06 09:53
cubezzzanyone can make an OS news _site_ :)Nov 06 09:53
cubezzzmake your own OS for that matterNov 06 09:53
cubezzzmaking a 16-bit real mode OS isn't out of reachNov 06 09:54
ml2mstIt already exists, it's called FreeDOS and it's GPL2 licensed ;-)Nov 06 09:55
Ziomatrixcubezzz: SkyOS?Nov 06 09:56
cubezzzI'm sure there are others, yesNov 06 09:56
Ziomatrixml2mst: do you remember a Linux based microkernel OS that starts with a J?Nov 06 09:57
cubezzzI was thinking of MikeOSNov 06 09:57
cubezzzyou could use that as a template for starting outNov 06 09:57
oiaohm_ml2mst: really why citadel for old school BBS still works perfectly.Nov 06 09:57
ml2mst@Ziomatrix, unfortunately I don'tNov 06 09:58
oiaohm_http://www.citadel.orgNov 06 09:58
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oiaohm_Yes its still the old citadel BBS engine hiding under all the upgrades.Nov 06 09:59
cubezzzI liked Pyroto MountainNov 06 09:59
ml2mst@oaiohm: thank you, but I'm hooked to RemoteAccess (RA) alike BBS software, ran a RA BBS for decades.Nov 06 09:59
oiaohm_ citadel is highly configurable.Nov 06 10:00
ml2mstI like EleBBS, it's GPL and there is a Linux port (which needs some work).Nov 06 10:00
oiaohm_citadel also gplNov 06 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Wikileaks has very little to do with wiki, it's mostly just a site that gets hold of documents. Similar sites exist. Iraq leak was a _gem_.Nov 06 10:00
oiaohm_And main reason EleBBS port lost developers is they end up in citadelNov 06 10:00
ml2mst@oiaohm: thank you, that makes it a lot more interesting, cheking it out now!Nov 06 10:01
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schestowitzOh, look Slashdot *does* cover FOSS>>>Nov 06 10:03
schestowitz-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Microsoft Open Sources F# http://bit.ly/beDHC7Nov 06 10:03
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schestowitzBUT /. does not cover *real* FOSS newsNov 06 10:03
ml2mst@oiaohm: thanks, looks pretty cool. Will try it.Nov 06 10:05
Ziomatrixschestowitz: it's a tug of war, I hope Slashdot doesn't get lost like Digg.Nov 06 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OS News is no longer an OS news site (was it ever?). It's a Microsoft spin site of Thom. It should be call "Microsoft OS News".Nov 06 10:05
QuadrescenceDigg used to be so goodNov 06 10:06
Quadrescencewhen it first came outNov 06 10:06
Quadrescencealmost every article was greatNov 06 10:06
Quadrescencenow it's a pile of <...>Nov 06 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @hashemmasoud Already wordpress.com got rid of Flash in their stat charts: http://wp.me/pf2B5-1n9Nov 06 10:07
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: The scary part is how internet trolling and TV spin are becoming interchangeble mediums. Mobbyists are also invading town halls and live political debates in the US.Nov 06 10:07
Ziomatrixit's a dumb down of debating and stifling the open mindedNov 06 10:07
schestowitzQuadrescence: yupNov 06 10:08
ml2mstIt's not only Thom Holwerda, I think the female co-founder "Agnuela" something is quite ANTI-FOSS too.Nov 06 10:08
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schestowitzml2mst: eugena?Nov 06 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @JesseBrown: I don't care who Access © gets to write their propaganda:it's lies, not opinion & Globe shdn't print it http://bit.ly/aexE5eNov 06 10:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: This updated copyright bill guts Canadian culture - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 75.67 KBNov 06 10:08
schestowitzshe most stepped awayNov 06 10:09
ZiomatrixQuadrecence: it's crazy the most lucrative business types are some of the most socially destructive these days.Nov 06 10:09
schestowitzZiomatrix: see above..  lobbyistsNov 06 10:09
schestowitzLying..Nov 06 10:09
schestowitz"Let me illustrate. Imagine if a government tried to reduce its education budget by requiring the makers of blackboards to provide them for free. Far from getting free blackboards, schools would soon find themselves with no blackboards at all, since every blackboard maker would have had to close up shop."Nov 06 10:10
schestowitzWAIT, what????Nov 06 10:10
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schestowitz-[mgeist] RT @TonyClement_MP: What fiction! Fair dealing never unfettered rt to copy http://bit.ly/cZRJoX Copyright bill guts Cdn cultureNov 06 10:10
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schestowitzZiomatrix: and yesNov 06 10:10
schestowitzThose who harm the society the most often become veyr richNov 06 10:11
schestowitzIt should be the oppositeNov 06 10:11
schestowitzBut it's notNov 06 10:11
schestowitzGaining power over other people gives them moneyNov 06 10:11
schestowitzAnd power over other people is unjust, and has human+social costsNov 06 10:11
oiaohmI wonder if F# is going to be the next item of .net MS let goes of.Nov 06 10:11
schestowitzThe solution is to be less greedy and more respectfuNov 06 10:11
schestowitzBut it won't work in a society of consumers and brand who make people consumerNov 06 10:12
QuadrescenceF# is going to be their tactic to get more lock-inNov 06 10:12
Ziomatrixschestowitz: but if we keep expounding this truth we may start sounding like your stereotypical pinko commies :-oNov 06 10:12
schestowitzZiomatrix: noNov 06 10:12
schestowitzit won't go anywherNov 06 10:12
schestowitzit never didNov 06 10:12
schestowitzSo they try putting a label on itNov 06 10:12
oiaohmQuadrescence: Really that tattic is not working.Nov 06 10:12
schestowitzAnd still, nobody would careNov 06 10:12
QuadrescenceI think MS has realized open source is beginning to really proliferate, and they don't have a good foothold in FOSS yet, except with Mono.Nov 06 10:12
schestowitzthey killed ironpython and ironruby and MSFT projects recntlyNov 06 10:12
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: I preffer the word customer over consumer, as it makes a buyer accustomed to have an expectation for looking for the best product or service to suite their needs rather then to blindly consume.Nov 06 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rcweir 2nd Errata document for #ODF 1.0 published. Get yer corrections while they're hot! http://bit.ly/cHFupaNov 06 10:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mpjamesmoore: Bill C-32, Copyright Modernization Act, has passed 2nd reading in Parliament and is now off to committeeNov 06 10:15
QuadrescenceZiomatrix: most customers are consumersNov 06 10:15
Quadrescenceschestowitz: Can we get TechrightsBot-tr booted from here?Nov 06 10:15
QuadrescenceIt had to report the title of every link. :SNov 06 10:16
ThistleWebQuadrescence: you could always ignore the botNov 06 10:17
QuadrescenceYeah but /ignore is b a dNov 06 10:18
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ThistleWebwhy? it achieves what you wantNov 06 10:18
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QuadrescenceI mean, it kind of doubles the amount of stuff in hereNov 06 10:18
Quadrescenceand is redundant since most links are equipped with explanatory textNov 06 10:18
ThistleWebif it's ignored?Nov 06 10:18
QuadrescencenoNov 06 10:18
ThistleWebahh, exploding the links into titleNov 06 10:19
ThistleWebwhich is handy for shortened urls which mean nothing on their ownNov 06 10:19
ThistleWebI'd imagine that most posts are shortened urls from identica and twitterNov 06 10:19
oiaohmEven mono is a highly unstable foothold.Nov 06 10:20
oiaohmTo go after particular platforms mono has been forced to work with llvm to produce native binaries.  QuadrescenceNov 06 10:21
Ziomatrixoiahm: Mono is what the name implies, a disease that infects otherwise good software and compromises it's immunity ie user licenseNov 06 10:22
oiaohmZiomatrix: Every infection vector of mono get attacked at some point.Nov 06 10:23
oiaohmSomething MS was not planing on.Nov 06 10:23
oiaohmSo its an unstable foot hold.Nov 06 10:23
oiaohmIf MS trys to use mono to attack Linux its that unstable it would basically fold.Nov 06 10:23
cubezzzmono doesn't seem to be catching onNov 06 10:24
oiaohmWhen it does it gets cloned.  ie gnote vs tomboy for example.Nov 06 10:24
Ziomatrixcubezzz: you mean it's not spreadingn ;-)Nov 06 10:24
oiaohmEven f-spot is being cloned.Nov 06 10:25
Ziomatrixoiahm: can Mono be legally reverse engineered?Nov 06 10:25
cubezzzFedora dropped mono right?Nov 06 10:25
oiaohmYou don't need to reverse it.Nov 06 10:25
oiaohmClone the programs using it.  ZiomatrixNov 06 10:25
oiaohmIn a different language.Nov 06 10:25
oiaohmSo making it grip nothing.Nov 06 10:25
Ziomatrixcubezzz: I don't recall Fedora ever bundling any Mono libs or software to begin withNov 06 10:26
cubezzzZiomatrix, yeah it had tomboy in F12Nov 06 10:26
oiaohmFedora did contain tomboy at one point.Nov 06 10:26
oiaohmFedora ripped it out and replaced it with the clone gnoteNov 06 10:26
oiaohmBoth read the same file format.Nov 06 10:26
oiaohmgnote uses less ram and runs faster performing the same task with basically indentical interface to tomboyNov 06 10:27
oiaohmgnote is writen in C++Nov 06 10:27
oiaohmNo .net involved at all.Nov 06 10:27
cubezzzanyways there's knotesNov 06 10:28
oiaohmWhy use that cubezzzNov 06 10:28
oiaohmkde basket of courseNov 06 10:28
ml2mstMe thinks us GNU/Linux users are a bunch of spoiled bastards who take everything for gratudeNov 06 10:28
oiaohmhttp://basket.kde.org/  basket makes tomboy look like a joke.Nov 06 10:28
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cubezzzI wouldn't say thatNov 06 10:28
ml2mstInstalled WinXP Pro SP3 yesterday on a old Dell Optiplex GX240Nov 06 10:28
ml2mstIn contrast to installing /any/ GNU/Linux distro, this is a perfect scenario for another Stephen King Novell :-)Nov 06 10:29
cubezzzoiaohm, is basket a KDE 4 thing?Nov 06 10:29
ml2mstIt took friggin' TOW hours to have a minimum updated system.Nov 06 10:30
oiaohmbasket exists in the kde 3.0 age. cubezzzNov 06 10:30
oiaohmIts been upgraded to support kde 4.Nov 06 10:30
cubezzzodd, I've never heard of itNov 06 10:30
ml2mstAnd this morning I noticed my BBS has been down all night, because the Wlan adapter lost connection with the Wlan routerNov 06 10:31
ml2mstIt works right out of the box with /any/ GNU/Linux distribution I throw at my machines!Nov 06 10:32
Ziomatrixml2mst: I witnessed how XP was choking a poor Lifebook at booting up with so many background processes and programs running in the toolbar. Reformatting with MintLinux KDE aleviated it along with granting the ability to actually play embedded videos smootNov 06 10:32
Ziomatrixhly while running Open Office. I wonder how Libre is doing.Nov 06 10:32
Ziomatrixml2mst: only problem thus far has been getting the internal microphone working.Nov 06 10:33
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: on GNU/Linux or Winder$?Nov 06 10:33
Ziomatrixml2mst: technically chatting with a nix based OS atm.Nov 06 10:34
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Americans Less Healthy, But Outlive Brits http://bit.ly/aVTtXdNov 06 10:35
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ml2mst@Ziomatrix: are you using PulseAudio?Nov 06 10:35
Ziomatrixml2mst: I am but it seems to be running through KDE own volume control. I think though the problem is more then finding the right peripheral name.Nov 06 10:37
Ziomatrixml2mst: or input setting I mean.Nov 06 10:37
Ziomatrixml2mst: I can boot it up to let you know in just a bit.Nov 06 10:37
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: yes you probably have to change the input source.Nov 06 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rysiek "Philosophers want to make money too! By thinking for free you destroy professional Philosophy!" - !q !cc !linuxNov 06 10:38
Ziomatrixml2mst: I have tried that though and the best I get is static while trying to recordNov 06 10:39
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: I can check it out on my grumpy Acer Aspire 7220 Lappy, which has a build in Microphone.Nov 06 10:39
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I guess you're not familiar with the Finkelstein and Chomsky types. ;-)Nov 06 10:40
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: I have to check if KDE is installed (guess so)Nov 06 10:40
Ziomatrixml2mst: but I don't think it would be the same as a Fujitsu Lifebook even if both use RealtekNov 06 10:41
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: I use Evil Skype to test it.Nov 06 10:41
Ziomatrixml2mst: I have too, in fact that's when I first discovered the problem. Also Skype for Linux seems to crash whenever I try to use a Bluetooth headset.Nov 06 10:41
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: agreed, Skype for Linux is a POS, Skype doesn't seem to give a flying fsck about Linux users.Nov 06 10:43
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: the POS is a 2.0 beta version for crying out loud :-( While the Winder$ version is curently at 5.0Nov 06 10:44
Ziomatrixml2mst: maybe if someone spreads this as a way that Skype doesn't support all platforms and could affect it's stock.Nov 06 10:44
Ziomatrixml2mst: maybe if someone works off of the Android and upcoming WebOS version of Skype someone can come up with a stable client for general Linux distros.Nov 06 10:45
oiaohmZiomatrix: you can always run the android one in the android emulator. ZiomatrixNov 06 10:46
Ziomatrixoiaohm: good pointNov 06 10:46
Ziomatrixml2mst: btw MintLinux KDE 9 seems to use an Alsa and OSS mixerNov 06 10:47
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: I wrote Skype a dozen of polite messages for better Linux support, yet they seem to simply ignore it. And I bet I'm not the only one.Nov 06 10:47
Ziomatrixml2mst: you need to get some businesses or folks who pay for their VOIP to telephony service to complain to get them to listen.Nov 06 10:48
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: So there must be a solution, IIRC there is a text based utility called "alsacfg" or so. I'm using Ubuntu (Gnome and KDE). If it works for me, it should work for you too.Nov 06 10:50
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: yes Suits, suits and suits :-(Nov 06 10:51
Ziomatrixml2mst: can different utilities with similar functions conflict?Nov 06 10:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @ruiseabra RT @fontana Let the world know: The JSON.org license http://ur.ly/rV8r is not #free or #opensourceNov 06 10:55
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ml2mst@Ziomatrix: not as far as I know, yet I admid that the amount of Linux soundsystems are very confiusing...Nov 06 10:56
schestowitzZiomatrix: yes, I amNov 06 10:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] at #fscons, still waking up.Nov 06 10:57
schestowitzBut you won't find them on CNNNov 06 10:57
schestowitzMaybe on Russia TodayNov 06 10:57
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: Yet you are using Linux Mint KDE, which is (a comunity) "fork" of Kubuntu. So you realy should get this to workNov 06 10:57
Ziomatrixschestowitz: Russia Today has some interesting news but some of it's bias is overwhelmingly apparent like Al'Jazeera and Fox.Nov 06 10:58
schestowitzokNov 06 10:58
schestowitzWell, I gotta go for a while nowNov 06 10:58
schestowitzbblNov 06 10:58
ZiomatrixI think I may to, need to sleep on itNov 06 10:59
ml2mst@Ziomatrix: what, you have been up all night, you g33k you :-)Nov 06 10:59
Ziomatrixml2mst: lol yea, but I haven't really done anything digitally l337 lately :-PNov 06 11:00
ml2mst@Zionmatrix: Oh dear "Hadron" (if you know ho that is) will "punnish" and "correct" you for sure :-pNov 06 11:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] gaddamnit just what I don't need right now, an idea for another new story :/Nov 06 11:03
Ziomatrixml2mst: anyway l8trz :-) And thanks, I should look on the Kubuntu boards for a solution. Already tried the linuxmint channel to no avail thus far.Nov 06 11:04
Ziomatrixl8rz I mean :-PNov 06 11:05
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ml2mst@Ziomatrix: OK, sleep well, we'll check out l8ter and find a solution (my bet).Nov 06 11:06
cubezzzI see it now oiaohmNov 06 11:08
cubezzzbut I'm not sure which version of basket I should be using with KDE 3.5.10Nov 06 11:08
oiaohmVersion 1 something.Nov 06 11:08
oiaohmVersion 2 something is KDE 4.x up.Nov 06 11:08
cubezzzhmmm, vesion 1 somethingNov 06 11:09
cubezzznewest version 1, whatever that isNov 06 11:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Lifting of blogger's story triggers online furor | Politics and Law - CNET News http://ur1.ca/2a4wlNov 06 11:10
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cubezzzthe fun of using older software :)Nov 06 11:10
oiaohmVersion 2 will work with 3.5 without shotting it.Nov 06 11:11
oiaohmBut it not going to theme right.Nov 06 11:11
cubezzzi'll try 1.0.2 for startersNov 06 11:11
cubezzzI think 1.0.2 went with KDE 3.4.2Nov 06 11:13
*cubezzz wonders if anyone ever wrote a KDE bookNov 06 11:13
cubezzzyup, programming KDE 2 on ebayNov 06 11:14
cubezzzand 1.1Nov 06 11:15
cubezzzall pretty oldNov 06 11:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] watching #TheColony on @DiscoverySEAsiaNov 06 11:15
Quadrescencehttp://i.imgur.com/HELrC.jpgNov 06 11:16
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Quadrescencecubezzz: ^^Nov 06 11:16
cubezzzwow ;)Nov 06 11:17
cubezzzok, I'm too young for UnivacNov 06 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @schestowitz RT @hashemmasoud Already wordpress.com got rid of Flash in their stat charts: http://wp.me/pf2B5-1n9Nov 06 11:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @remin iPhone vs !Android vs Blackberry #funny http://post.ly/1A6grNov 06 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Linux Strings Command Examples (Search Text in UNIX Binary Files) http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/11/strings-command-examples/Nov 06 11:25
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ml2mst@cubezz: No, I don't think anyone ever wrote a KDE book, why should one? KDE documentation is quite sufficient IMHO.Nov 06 11:25
oiaohmReally printable version of KDE documentation would be nice for sport at times ml2mstNov 06 11:27
oiaohmNothing is more handy for tell people to read the manual than a physical manual.Nov 06 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] @schestowitz : why? (I agree that they were always more than an OS news website though)...Nov 06 11:28
ml2mst@oiaohm: in that case a distribution-centric book is more appropiate IMO.Nov 06 11:30
ml2mst@oiaohm: I used to buy SUSE Linux, which unfortunately became BallNux, yet the printed documentation was quite sophisticated.Nov 06 11:31
oiaohmml2mst: most of the KDE I use from are almost pure stock.Nov 06 11:32
oiaohmNo major distribution alterations.Nov 06 11:32
oiaohmSo why do a book per distribution.Nov 06 11:32
ml2mst@oiaohm: My apolgies, I understand your POV now. Nobody keeps you from writing a KDE book yourself ;-)Nov 06 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @schestowitz RT @ruiseabra RT @fontana Let the world know: The JSON.org license http://ur.ly/rV8r is not #free or #opensourceNov 06 11:35
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oiaohmReally I most likely would not write it.Nov 06 11:35
oiaohmCreate a script to raid and convert the KDE Docs into a book.Nov 06 11:35
ml2mstIndeed @oiaohm, why should one spend a lot of time by writing a printed KDE book, if the documentation is already freely available?Nov 06 11:37
oiaohmExactly.Nov 06 11:38
oiaohmA book makes you look more bussy than searching for stuff.Nov 06 11:38
-TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] "Sunbonnet Sue," "Sioux City Sue," "A Boy Named Sue" #songsaboutsue (Being in #Iowa, I've got "Sioux City Sue" stuck in my head)Nov 06 11:38
ml2mstNo matter how we toss or turn it, GNU/Linux and thus KDE in general still attracks the more technical interested user (geeks).Nov 06 11:38
oiaohmReally take a close look at who funds KDENov 06 11:39
ml2mst@oiaohm: a book can be very educational and entertaining. I for one LOVE, the books Andrew S. Tanenbaum wrote.Nov 06 11:40
ml2mst@oaiohm: are the KDE funders anti Free Software then?Nov 06 11:41
oiaohmIts a strange mix to say the least.Nov 06 11:42
MinceRgeekingsNov 06 11:42
oiaohmhttp://kde.org/community/donations/past_sponsors.php   ml2mstNov 06 11:44
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ml2mstThe solution os simple: use Free distributions, like gNewSense or Dyne:Bolic etc. Problem solved Duh! :-pNov 06 11:45
oiaohmReally I am not that strict.  ml2mstNov 06 11:45
oiaohmIf I need 3d drivers that work and they are closed bugger but work comes first.Nov 06 11:46
ml2mst@oiaohm: I obviously missunderstood you (sorry no spell checker and no native Engish speeker here)...Nov 06 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Eicma, met @atrent. Lot of cool stuffNov 06 11:52
ml2mst@oiaohm: you started complaining about who funds KDE (I didn't even check out). So my respond was like: if you dislike the suits, use a 100% FREE distro ;-)Nov 06 11:53
ml2mstI have no problem admitting that I use binary blobs and other non-free distractions ;-)Nov 06 11:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @schestowitz: RT @rysiek "Philosophers want to make money too! By thinking for free you destroy professional Philosophy!" - #q #cc #linuxNov 06 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @direkteaktion: #Castor Durchfahrt HEUTE in Karlsruhe (Mühlburg-Gbf) ca.16-16:15 Uhr http://arm.in/lBA – wenn vorher nicht blockiert wirdNov 06 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @direkteaktion: #Castor Durchfahrt HEUTE in #Mannheim (Käfertal) ca.17Uhr http://arm.in/lBA (wenn vorher nicht blockiert wird)Nov 06 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @direkteaktion: Schienen sind voll! 500 Menschen auf den Gleisen bei #berg #castor !antiAKWNov 06 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @Sturmfels: RT @felix_schmitt: Och je, was machen diese Leute hier auf dem Gleis? Strecke blockiert! http://twitpic.com/34drl7 !antiAKWNov 06 12:00
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ml2mst@oiaohm: I checked out your link (KDE sponsors), what's the big deal (Novell)?Nov 06 12:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @Zugzwang74: Die neuste Zählung hat ergeben: 1276 Menschen auf den Gleisen in #Berg! #Castor !antiAKWNov 06 12:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @schestowitz "We demand rigidly defined areas of uncertainty and doubt" - Douglas AdamsNov 06 12:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] 8 Best Free Backup Tools For Linux http://www.geekersmagazine.com/best-free-backup-tools-for-linux.htmlNov 06 12:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Do you have your Early Bird registration for !lca2011? One day left - hop to it, before they all go.Nov 06 12:03
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oiaohmml2mst: I was refering to the broad cross section there.   There is no particular class.Nov 06 12:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] @schestowitz I do - I can't get to the css on the blogs about Linux!Nov 06 12:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] @bruce89 eekNov 06 12:12
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Roku Now Licensing Its Media Player Design http://bit.ly/brwqdaNov 06 12:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @hoiA: Der #Castor steht immer noch im Bahnhof Hoenheim/Hausbergen. Noch nicht klar, ob er über #Berg oder #Kehl fährt. castorticker.deNov 06 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxkernel/@linuxkernel] Linux kernel 2.6.37-rc1-git5 has been released - http://is.gd/eq2yj #linux #kernelNov 06 12:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Roku licenses design. Most likely uses an inexpensive, power-stingy !MIPS based NXP processor http://is.gd/gMgX5Nov 06 12:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] @dandart@dandart.status.net Hellooooooooo?Nov 06 12:37
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ml2mstI'm out of here, BBL, CU tonight ;-)Nov 06 12:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #fscons http://www.fscons.org/divide bayart's and @grote 's speech over. Next 2:15 on building socially responsible networks. !fs !fsfeNov 06 12:42
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-TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] #Metacrap in #Belorussian http://craphound.com/?p=3147Nov 06 12:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] @trashbird1240 Totem does at least the name of the track i think?Nov 06 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] Oh my dear god @sporkette your name is epic!Nov 06 12:45
-TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] Judging by available evidence, every single #hotel room in the #USA has a #TV showing at least 2 variations on #LawAndOrder, at all timesNov 06 12:55
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] Julian Assange interview about the media | Listening Post http://is.gd/gMiRdNov 06 12:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] @dandart yes #totem displays the track title from metadata, but it doesn't do genre lists, albums etc; for those I just use the filesystemNov 06 12:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @Sturmfels: Blockade bei Berg noch NICHT aufgelöst, bei Lauterberg sind Aktivisten auf den Gleisen einbetoniert. (Anruf von @OverThere86)Nov 06 13:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[arnebab/@arnebab] ♻ @Zugzwang74: Gleisräumungen in #Berg. #castor http://bit.ly/9GROEm !AntiAKW #friedliche #Polzei und #DemonstrantenNov 06 13:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] @trashbird1240 they help - there used to be an option in Amarok to organise songs properly in the fs, too.Nov 06 13:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] The babysitter told me last night she wants to attend Columbia. Was that a roundabout way of asking for a raise?Nov 06 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @charlesschulz I read OS News for a long time but angrily unsub'd ~2 years ago mostly cause of Thom's Microsoft spin. It changed.[ctd]Nov 06 13:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @charlesschulz ...[ctd] at the time, I also received E-mails from friends who noticed the same thing (and in /. too), so we mass-unsub'edNov 06 13:22
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Google Challenges Facebook Over User Address Books http://bit.ly/bVAibNNov 06 13:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @dandart it was just my sarcasm ;-)Nov 06 13:25
schestowitzQuadrescence: nice books!!Nov 06 13:28
Quadrescenceschestowitz: :) :)Nov 06 13:30
QuadrescenceI found out the book is quite expensiveNov 06 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Let's hope that Flash is the next Shockwave (not in the good sense) now that Silver Lie is down for the count. #webm #ogg #html5 #standardNov 06 13:30
Quadrescencelike 100-400 online,.Nov 06 13:30
QuadrescenceUSDNov 06 13:30
schestowitz[11:32] <oiaohm> So why do a book per distribution.Nov 06 13:32
schestowitzNever necessaryNov 06 13:32
schestowitzShow me a book that explains Konqueror specifically for Mandriva, for exampleNov 06 13:32
schestowitzQuadrescence: they'll gain value over timeNov 06 13:32
schestowitzmemorabilia to those who lived in these timesNov 06 13:32
QuadrescenceI am not sure how many ENIAC folks are around.Nov 06 13:33
schestowitzSome packed old Macs (never used) can be worth like a hundred thousand I thinkNov 06 13:33
schestowitzSome rich fans of Apple would bid for themNov 06 13:33
QuadrescenceahNov 06 13:33
Quadrescenceschestowitz: Are you interested in classic computers or vintage computing or anything like that?Nov 06 13:33
schestowitzMake sure you sell before that generation dies :-)Nov 06 13:33
MinceRwell, they're just as useful as everNov 06 13:33
MinceRas doorstopsNov 06 13:33
schestowitzQuadrescence: noNov 06 13:33
schestowitzI'm not old enough for vintage computersNov 06 13:34
QuadrescenceNeither am I.Nov 06 13:34
schestowitzMy first computer was a 286Nov 06 13:34
schestowitz]Nov 06 13:34
schestowitzI was like 7Nov 06 13:34
schestowitzCGA, 4 coloursNov 06 13:34
QuadrescenceMine was a Toshiba laptop with Windows 98. ;)Nov 06 13:34
MinceRmy first computer was a Sinclair ZX SpectrumNov 06 13:34
schestowitzRunning VIsataqNov 06 13:35
schestowitzWHoaNov 06 13:35
schestowitzHoly typos, batmanNov 06 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] What I want from !Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install system-that-makes-sense-and-actually-does-what-I-say-dammit !loNov 06 13:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz If that prophecy materializes, US gov take over M$ and releasing its assets as open source, it would be bad 4 Linux.Nov 06 13:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] #Neil_deGrasse_Tyson was on #TheBigBangTheory!Nov 06 13:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] The best python IDE? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/81584 - !Emacs (3) over #vim (4). You heard that right.Nov 06 14:02
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MinceRpftNov 06 14:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Actually, the one trick pony is M$: Only the desktop they do right. The rest, they fail miserably.Nov 06 14:05
MinceRlol wutNov 06 14:06
Quadrescenceemacs \o/Nov 06 14:06
MinceRi sense a surprising lack of clue over at identica todayNov 06 14:06
MinceRm$ is only "doing the desktop right" if delivering a less sucky product that crApple counts as suchNov 06 14:07
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Diablo-D3MS has done some nifty UI shitNov 06 14:15
Diablo-D3problem is, none of it has ever been shipped in a worthwhile productNov 06 14:16
Diablo-D3and NEVER shipped in windows outside of the windows media center remake in win 7Nov 06 14:16
MinceRwhat did they do?Nov 06 14:17
MinceRi've never seen itNov 06 14:17
Diablo-D3nothing dramaticNov 06 14:17
Diablo-D3its just really nice lookingNov 06 14:17
MinceRicNov 06 14:17
MinceRso the usual 'bling with no use' stuffNov 06 14:17
Diablo-D3no, just the oppositeNov 06 14:17
Diablo-D3elegant white text thats easy to read, with smooth but not blingy interaction effectsNov 06 14:18
Diablo-D3no widgets or icon overload or anythingNov 06 14:18
Diablo-D3and it has a plain blue translucent like backgroundNov 06 14:19
Diablo-D3the background isnt even texturedNov 06 14:19
Diablo-D3it'd be very nice to have on a TV or whateverNov 06 14:19
MinceRicNov 06 14:19
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Diablo-D3otherwise its uselessNov 06 14:19
sebsebseb Nov 06 14:19
MinceR Nov 06 14:20
Diablo-D3like, thanks to the entire cable industry fucking up cable cardsNov 06 14:20
Diablo-D3you cant get oneNov 06 14:20
Diablo-D3so no playing TVNov 06 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm quite curious to know if either are any good, but not not curious enough to compile or find an RPM for eitherNov 06 14:20
Diablo-D3and theres no microsoft bluray player for itNov 06 14:20
Diablo-D3it can launch and fullscreen third party ones, but they're all ugly as shit and built around the normal windows desktop lookNov 06 14:20
Diablo-D3and you cant play anything you download, because directshow is shit, and even if you throw in the dshow mkv and ffmpeg filters, you're still rather fuckedNov 06 14:21
Diablo-D3soNov 06 14:21
Diablo-D3it looks GREATNov 06 14:21
Diablo-D3it just cant DO anything.Nov 06 14:21
MinceR:>Nov 06 14:21
Diablo-D3its rather depressingNov 06 14:21
Diablo-D3go look at shit like xmbcNov 06 14:21
Diablo-D3featureful out the assNov 06 14:21
Diablo-D3has the same sort of onscreen UINov 06 14:22
Diablo-D3but no one makes a good theme for itNov 06 14:22
MinceRsomeone could, though :>Nov 06 14:22
Diablo-D3possiblyNov 06 14:22
MinceRespecially considering that it doesn't seem complexNov 06 14:22
Diablo-D3but xmbc doesnt work right in wineNov 06 14:22
Diablo-D3so that somebody wont be meNov 06 14:22
MinceRwhy not mythtv?Nov 06 14:23
Diablo-D3because mythtv cant record anythingNov 06 14:23
Diablo-D3and rewind to the bit where I said cablecard was a failure anyhowNov 06 14:23
Diablo-D3I dont really WANT TV anymoreNov 06 14:23
Diablo-D3I want something like google tvNov 06 14:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK so I got my grammar mixed up there in my haste, but you know what I mean?Nov 06 14:23
Diablo-D3which Ive been waiting for for basically a decadeNov 06 14:23
MinceRalso, apparently xbmc claims they support GNU/LinuxNov 06 14:24
Diablo-D3at this point, I dont even care if its uglyNov 06 14:24
Diablo-D3it just needs to workNov 06 14:24
Diablo-D3thats all I ask for anymoreNov 06 14:24
-TRT/#techrights-[davidgerard] "Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, tits!" wheezhed Thomas. http://ttte.wikia.com/wiki/George_CarlinNov 06 14:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm seeing a lot of posts about !pardus lately, but none of them in English. I assume it's release related though?Nov 06 14:43
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Rocketman Takes Off In Custom-Made Wingsuit http://bit.ly/c5rUK8Nov 06 14:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @gnome: What's left for #GNOME 3.0 will be the first topic discussed #bostonsummit #gnomeNov 06 14:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I like Pat Metheny but I like Wes Montgomery even more @copyme :)Nov 06 14:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @osamak last month he was in this interesting debate: http://ur.ly/rS14Nov 06 15:02
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schestowitz[14:17] <MinceR> so the usual 'bling with no use' stuffNov 06 15:02
schestowitzBing has no use, eitherNov 06 15:02
schestowitzNor usageNov 06 15:02
schestowitzUnless they bribe the usersNov 06 15:02
schestowitzhazzy: I minused itNov 06 15:05
schestowitzThe Silver Lie fiasco has gotten enough attention alreadyNov 06 15:05
schestowitzLet it die peacefully :-) Like Sidekick...Nov 06 15:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Comparing Netbook Desktops - Part 2, KDE Plasma Netbook http://ur.ly/rYwl !kde !gnu !linuxNov 06 15:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Seeing the light http://ur.ly/rIGh !ubuntu benefits from #fedora !gnu !linuxNov 06 15:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Review: #SalixOS 13.1.2 !KDE http://ur.ly/rWb7 Plasma-desktop makes any distro looks rather delightfulNov 06 15:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Gnash Supporters Offer Cash for Open-Source Flash Player http://ur.ly/rpqg !gnu software replaces #AdobeTrashNov 06 15:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What Microsoft !Linux Would Mean http://ur.ly/rh6b Very tongue in cheekyNov 06 15:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why I Prefer !Debian to RHEL: Top 5 Reasons http://ur.ly/rmin "Needless to say, Debian revolves circles around RHEL..."Nov 06 15:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @jonobacon, I ommented on your blog: ur1.ca/2a6od ; Generally I like idea, but it glosses over some of the realities of corporate motives.Nov 06 15:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] it's cold outside it gets real nice in the room but i gotta go out for the things that won't wait #lifeNov 06 15:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Pardus !gnu !linux 2011 on the way with new goodies http://ur.ly/rzzq "final release announcement... toward the end of November."Nov 06 15:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @fontana Let the world know: The JSON.org license http://www.crockford.com/JSON/license.html is not #free or #opensourceNov 06 15:27
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-TRT/#techrights-[ffii] How to improve access to public data? http://ec.europa.eu/yourvoice/ipm/forms/dispatch?form=psidirective2010Nov 06 15:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fedora 14 - A very smooth release! http://ur.ly/rELP http://ur.ly/ri8v http://ur.ly/rwI5Nov 06 15:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, I wonder if ppl write licenses like that b/c they just think the whole idea of licensing is stupid, w/ which I sort of sympathize.Nov 06 15:28
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-TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 Stalin would have been proud http://bit.ly/b0eWa4 // #Khadr #cdnpoliNov 06 15:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fusion !Linux 14 - Distro Review http://ur.ly/rYwm "This version comes in a hefty 1.6gigabyte download..."Nov 06 15:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Wayland is a step backwards in terms of graphic displays and a step forward into an advanced state of dependency on proprietary drivers.Nov 06 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @schestowitz Comparing Netbook Desktops - Part 2, KDE Plasma Netbook http://ur.ly/rYwl !kde !gnu !linuxNov 06 15:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] Help please with 2040:7070 Hauppage TV stick? Can't receive channels, once I got a lock, max. sig strength 18? Indoor amp aerial !linuxNov 06 15:47
-TRT/#techrights-[linuxtoday] Virtual networking in Linux: IBM Developerworks: "One of the more recent areas is virtual networking. Early impl... http://bit.ly/acfnPUNov 06 15:48
-TRT/#techrights-[linuxtoday] Attempt to load 2.6.37-rc1 under Xen 4.0.1 on top of Ubuntu 10.04.01 Server: Xen Virtualization on Linux and Sol... http://bit.ly/9JKEoWNov 06 15:48
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-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Not Transparent Aluminum, But Conductive Plastic http://bit.ly/amyuNZNov 06 15:51
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schestowitz"I like ubuntu 10.10 but i hate having to remove mono on every install. at least they dont have f-spot anymore"Nov 06 16:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @ruiseabra Wayland is a step backwards in terms of graphic displays and a step forward into an advanced state of dependency on propri ...Nov 06 16:02
schestowitz"Although ubuntu is talking about switching to banshee as their main music player. Boooooo"Nov 06 16:02
schestowitzit's not final yet. Vote against is, I'd advise people.Nov 06 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Kubuntu 10.10 Technical Review http://ur.ly/rzzv "On the whole I think Kubuntu 10.10 is a solid release. Get !KDE 4.5.2 in there..."Nov 06 16:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Guardian - The government shouldn't hang on Google's every word: http://bit.ly/aAomx2Nov 06 16:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  The government shouldn't hang on Google's every word | Charles Arthur | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 209.26 KBNov 06 16:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @schestowitz: #Gnash Supporters Offer Cash for Open-Source Flash Player http://ur.ly/rpqg #gnu software replaces #AdobeTrashNov 06 16:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] Who's Robin? !identica "Robin thinks something is impossible"??Nov 06 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "By May of 1994, Gates's patience was growing so thin" ~Barbarians Led by Bill Gates (book) "Patience is a key element of success." -GatesNov 06 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] People who cannot wait for things to happen the fair way may simply cheat or break the law. !Linux is been patiently waiting for desktop winNov 06 16:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: #Ease – Slick Presentation app that makes Impress look less than impressive http://goo.gl/VDaDtNov 06 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When @rms says proprietary software is evil they call him "extremist"/"zealot", when @mjasay calls it "devil" it's "Reg" http://ur.ly/rc9ONov 06 16:25
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Devil's dollars drive open source • The Register .::. Size~: 27.08 KBNov 06 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Stallman's words have actually been very moderate and calm in recent years. Maybe anger management and all. Those who hate him distort.Nov 06 16:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] .@schestowitz If #RMS had had an #anger problem he never would have been able to achieve what he has. #gpl #fsfNov 06 16:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] RT @schestowitz When @rms says proprietary software is evil they call him "extremist"/"zealot", when @mjasay calls it "devil" it's "Reg" ...Nov 06 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] RT @schestowitz Stallman's words have actually been very moderate and calm in recent years. Maybe anger management and all. Those who ha ...Nov 06 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Only today left to work then I get a break...Nov 06 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3: .@schestowitz If #RMS had had an #anger problem he never would have been able to achieve what he has. !gpl !fsfNov 06 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 you know how it is though. For an iconic person like him, every word is subjected to nitpicking, so he must be super careful.Nov 06 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice wifi in Terminal 1 Heathrow's StarAlliance lounge. #fbNov 06 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes not a break from recording !! :-)Nov 06 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] next flight bd090 to belfast at 1735 GMT. #fbNov 06 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Mandriva’s cooker manager http://ur.ly/rFxU reminder: !Mandriva is still alive (and excellent)Nov 06 16:32
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MinceRit's funny how mac asay fails to provide even a single morsel of evidence to support his claimsNov 06 16:32
MinceRbut manages to advertise m$Nov 06 16:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What kind of sex maniac called a programming package F#?Nov 06 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New !StopUBB post: Why Did the CRTC approve Usage Based Billing? http://ur1.ca/2a756 #cdnpoli #crtc #ubb cc: @TonyClement_MPNov 06 16:33
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schestowitzMinceR: maybe ad clicksNov 06 16:35
schestowitzI didn't like the attitude thereNov 06 16:35
schestowitzSee http://www.itworld.com/open-source/126701/open-source-money-versus-mindshareNov 06 16:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Open Source: Money versus Mindshare | ITworld .::. Size~: 81.56 KBNov 06 16:35
schestowitz'Nov 06 16:35
schestowitzThis morning I read with interest the musings of He Who Will Forever Blog (aka Matt Asay) on the topic of how proprietary software and the money that comes with it will always be forever entwined with open source (and, by extension, free) software.Nov 06 16:35
schestowitzI've got to say, I don't see where he's wrong about this.Nov 06 16:35
schestowitzGranted, Asay's being a bit provocative, and certainly the so-pithy-you-will-bleed headline writers at The Register help that provocation along. In the article, Asay calls it how he sees it: that the "vast majority of software isn't written by 'open-source companies.' It's written by proprietary software companies or by non-software companies, like financial services firms, who write software to satisfy internal needs."Nov 06 16:35
schestowitz'Nov 06 16:35
gnufreexHe is wrong because he highlights proprietary companies. Bigger amount of code comes from companies who are not in software business at all.Nov 06 16:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richardsmedley/@richardsmedley] Beaten by v good Aussie side - they may not be able to scrum, but their defence was 1st class, & they seized every opportunity #rygbi #rugbyNov 06 16:37
schestowitz"I think, no matter how you try to hold up the open source model as a unique way of doing business, companies that use open source are still working in a market driven by other factors and dominated by proprietary vendors who can use better funding to achieve what successful open source companies can do with better mindshare."Nov 06 16:37
schestowitzThat's BS IMHONov 06 16:37
schestowitzRight now I write Free softwareNov 06 16:37
schestowitzAnd it's funded by a universityNov 06 16:37
schestowitzNot a "proprietary" "devil" or whateverNov 06 16:37
gnufreexYeah. And that is great thing.Nov 06 16:37
schestowitzTOday I am writing a proposal for funding of my new software project, which I also hope to get federal funding for.Nov 06 16:38
schestowitzTo them, it doesn't matter if I share the outcomeNov 06 16:38
schestowitzAs long as I deliver what they need along the wayNov 06 16:38
schestowitzIt's like RMS' "infinite bread" ideaNov 06 16:38
schestowitzI make one loafNov 06 16:38
schestowitzI can also make money, or dump it on the server for copyingNov 06 16:39
schestowitzThe first and second don't contradict each otherNov 06 16:39
schestowitzRed Hat gives its codeNov 06 16:39
schestowitzIt also makes money from thisNov 06 16:39
gnufreexThat is exactly what RMS envisioned: Universities, some unreleated companies, all hire some hackers and contribute.Nov 06 16:39
schestowitzBut people are stuck in a mindsetNov 06 16:39
schestowitzLike earlier I spoke to my auntNov 06 16:40
schestowitzNow, she confuses copyrights with patentsNov 06 16:40
schestowitzI explained to her that it's good I keep copyrights on code I write for someone elseNov 06 16:40
gnufreexlol... that is "IP" trap: "it is all proprerty"Nov 06 16:40
schestowitzAnd then she thought I sold outNov 06 16:40
schestowitzCause she remembered I was anti-patentsNov 06 16:41
schestowitzSo then you need to explain to them the difference b/w copyrights and trademark (would you like someone to fake being you on the Net?), and this bizarre thing about copying mere ideas, like in classroomsNov 06 16:41
schestowitzgnufreex: none is propertyNov 06 16:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz I'm actually really looking forward to it....got some stuff I want to cover.Nov 06 16:42
gnufreexI knowNov 06 16:42
schestowitzWhat's scarce is stuff like fossil fuelNov 06 16:42
schestowitzBut not solar energyNov 06 16:42
schestowitzOr Sun in generalNov 06 16:42
gnufreexI was describing a mindsetNov 06 16:42
gnufreexA "IP" lieNov 06 16:42
schestowitzany sun/star for that matterNov 06 16:42
schestowitzOur Sun will last for like another 4 billion years IIRCNov 06 16:42
schestowitzSo you can assume it's an almost infinite supplyNov 06 16:43
schestowitzNot the dead tissue that fed on the Sun and sankNov 06 16:43
gnufreex*The "IP" lie. That is why RMS says we shouldn't use that term... Intelectual property.Nov 06 16:43
schestowitzproperty an intellectual thing to do?Nov 06 16:43
schestowitzIt should not even be called Intellectual property.Nov 06 16:44
gnufreexI know, that RMS says, and I agree.Nov 06 16:45
gnufreexIntelectual Monopolies is better, but again, same problemNov 06 16:46
gnufreexThose are three diferent thingsNov 06 16:46
schestowitz"I'm sure most (all?) gnash devs would prefer to work on a different project in a world w/o flash. cf http://twit.tv/floss94"Nov 06 16:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Intellectual property is better off described as Unintentional Monopoly or in software context... Let's call it "ineffectual proprietary"Nov 06 16:47
schestowitzIntellectual means smartNov 06 16:47
schestowitzIt's not smart to have monopoliesNov 06 16:47
schestowitz"@mlinksva I agree w/yr subtext that pissed off people r the ones who get up &do things. But I hope you understand my point. cc @schestowitz"Nov 06 16:48
gnufreexIntellect means smartness. So monopoly over intelllect is monopoly over being smart.Nov 06 16:48
gnufreexIf you are smart you are infringing.Nov 06 16:48
schestowitzI knowNov 06 16:48
schestowitzBut it's not my term, eitherNov 06 16:48
gnufreexSo it is brain dead, in fact.Nov 06 16:48
schestowitzI think it's a name of a bookNov 06 16:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New Blog Post⇒ Laurel L. Russwurm: !NaNoWriMo Diary #2 http://ur1.ca/2a78pNov 06 16:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Intellectual property is better off described as Unintentional Monopoly or in software context... Let's call it "ineffec ...Nov 06 16:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes me tooNov 06 16:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: NaNoWriMo Diary #2 «  Laurel L. Russwurm .::. Size~: 39.88 KBNov 06 16:48
schestowitzI used the term like 1000 timesNov 06 16:48
schestowitzAlso in headlinesNov 06 16:48
schestowitzTechrights has a category called  Intellectual MonopoliesNov 06 16:49
schestowitzIt's my default substitution, stillNov 06 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn related myth heard recently: that you need a law degree to understand !GPL (if anything being a lawyer == less likely to understand)Nov 06 16:50
*schestowitz goes to watch some moviesNov 06 16:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] off to a !NaNoWriMo write-in where we all sit around eating gelata, ignoring one another (except for occasional word wars) and WRITE NOVELS!Nov 06 16:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Thanks, @reality , for the speedy response. http://ur.ly/rlgCNov 06 16:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] .@mlinksva Are you sure in Jobs' case it's not just 'being an asshole'? I never saw any evidence of anger prob in #RMS. What'd I miss?Nov 06 16:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] /@mlinksva wow, that's quite a stretch... of course they are flawed. The topic was #rms. Where's the anger problem? I musta missed it.Nov 06 16:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I don't think that is true in this particular caseNov 06 16:55
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Europe Simulates Total Cyber War http://bit.ly/bPyjUnNov 06 17:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I think if anything free software people were more critical of Red Hat in late 1990s/early 2000s than anyone is of Canonical nowNov 06 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] RT @schestowitz Intellectual property is better off described as Unintentional Monopoly or in software context... Let's call it "ineffec ...Nov 06 17:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @dmarti @schestowitz MSFT now making $ from !linux #swpat licenses. MSFT !linux already exists, co.'s most profitable OS (no support)Nov 06 17:17
schestowitz"that's why we started !techrights in 2006"Nov 06 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 6/11/2010: New Mandriva Cooker Manager, X.Org vs Ubuntu 11.04 Debate http://ur.ly/rjbsNov 06 17:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @wwwuse: Ray Ozzie's doubts Microsoft in a post-pc era. This is why he quit.http://bit.ly/cIIvIONov 06 17:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] got 3hrs to kill. while the moms is in workshopNov 06 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana,I dunno; situations of #RedHat in late 1990s & !Canonical today feel almost perfectly parallel to me, but maybe I'm misremembering?Nov 06 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] !cavallette Contumacia, il server di Autistici / Inventati in Norvegia, è offline per un'incursione della polizia: http://ur1.ca/2a7jx !lpitNov 06 17:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] !cavallette Contumacia, the autistici / inventati Norwegian server, is off-line due to a police raid: http://ur1.ca/2a7jxNov 06 17:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Microsoft Open Sources F# http://bit.ly/9IokRzNov 06 17:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Open Sources F# | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 44.6 KBNov 06 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: #Microsoft Open Sources F# http://goo.gl/OZ6QfNov 06 17:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @deviantollam: The next time TSA asks you why you want to opt out of the nudie scanners, point them at this: http://bit.ly/difCAqNov 06 17:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Full-body scanners useless, air security expert saysand expose us to excessive radiation  « Dregs of the Future .::. Size~: 54.33 KBNov 06 17:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] I am testing the new "keyboard" that works with one finger called "8pen" on my Desire. Not easy...Nov 06 17:52
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-TRT/#techrights-[nickballard] Just realized I never gave #Java an honest try before I decided it was crap. Now reading Teach Yourself Java in 24hrs http://bit.ly/8UcISwNov 06 18:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: InformIT: Sams Teach Yourself Java 2 in 24 Hours > Hour 3.  Vacationing in Java .::. Size~: 20.2 KBNov 06 18:05
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] ARTE WikiLeaks special in 10 minutes http://www.arte.tv/fr/3504250.htmlNov 06 18:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @debian The first beta of the !Debian Installer 6.0 has been released - #ndn - http://bit.ly/aaaP0iNov 06 18:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   The first beta of the Debian Installer 6.0 has been released   | Debian News .::. Size~: 11.69 KBNov 06 18:20
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] In Praise of Procrastination http://bit.ly/9IUHmnNov 06 18:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FFII [EU] How to improve access to public data? http://ur.ly/rNkMNov 06 18:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] writing a Research Proposal for next grant... actually enjoying it... no equations yet.Nov 06 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Oracle continues to destroy !Java in the name of profit http://ur1.ca/2a7zwNov 06 18:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle cooks up free and premium JVMs • The Register .::. Size~: 26.82 KBNov 06 18:37
schestowitzDiablo-D3: can you get an alt link for that?Nov 06 18:38
schestowitzI don't want to link to itNov 06 18:38
schestowitzIt's Microsoft booster Gavin ClarkeNov 06 18:39
schestowitzHe bashes FOSS like this... exaggerationNov 06 18:39
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/news?hl=&q=JVM&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Nov 06 18:39
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schestowitzCan't find other reports yetNov 06 18:39
Diablo-D3schestowitz: dont know of oneNov 06 18:39
schestowitzAnyway, don't trust it yetNov 06 18:39
schestowitzWait for non-Gavin articleNov 06 18:39
schestowitzMary Jo's colleagueNov 06 18:40
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/08/04/linux-fud-warnings/Nov 06 18:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Be Careful Warning Accompanies Gavin Clarkes Coverage of GNU/Linux | Techrights .::. Size~: 108.86 KBNov 06 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] !mufc rioferdy5 says it best again: http://ur1.ca/2a81z http://ur1.ca/2a820Nov 06 18:42
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-TRT/#techrights-[davidgerard] DW: Hissing is cat for "fuck you." http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/547013.htmlNov 06 18:58
-TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: #Oracle continues to destroy #Java in the name of profit http://ur1.ca/2a7zw (via http://ff.im/thxIk) http://ff.im/thAA6Nov 06 18:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @Valleywag: Googler Accuses Twitter Engineer of Sexual Assault on Her Blog http://gawker.com/5683354/Nov 06 19:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Buy #Oracle Open Office Standard Edition license for just 49,95$ per user! Don't miss this special offer: http://goo.gl/opb9JNov 06 19:20
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-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] John Stewart interviews Obama, but the war does not exist | Truth Out http://is.gd/gMLTwNov 06 19:21
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torosHave you seen this awesome offer by Oracle? http://identi.ca/notice/58120892Nov 06 19:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: László Torma (toros)'s status on Saturday, 06-Nov-10 19:19:58 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.15 KBNov 06 19:22
MinceRthe package design is pretty minimalist :>Nov 06 19:24
torosMinceR: yepp, you can't get everything for 50 bucksNov 06 19:26
-TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] ' "Easy to create a meeting" is a bug, not a feature,in my opinion' http://blog.precipice.org/i-hate-shared-calendars-at-work via @precipiceNov 06 19:28
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-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Income Tax Quashed, Ballmer To Cash In Billions http://bit.ly/cnNLSxNov 06 19:31
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schestowitzHi, torosNov 06 19:36
toroshi schestowitzNov 06 19:37
schestowitztoros: the packaging looks like it's illustratedNov 06 19:37
schestowitzDo they ship you a burned CD-RW with marker pen writings that say openoffice <strike>org</strike> Oracle Edition?Nov 06 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @toros Buy #Oracle Open Office Standard Edition license for just 49,95$ per user! Don't miss this special offer: http://goo.gl/opb9JNov 06 19:38
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MinceRnah, that would cut into profitsNov 06 19:39
MinceRthey instead link you to the openoffice.org download page after payment ;)Nov 06 19:39
schestowitzcan you copy the copy?Nov 06 19:39
schestowitzYo Dawn! I herd you make a copy or a copy uv' openoffice. Word!Nov 06 19:40
-TRT/#techrights-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Europe simulates total cyber war http://newstechnica.com/?p=2755Nov 06 19:41
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MinceRword. >> http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6slcexKQZ1qcm14io1_500.jpgNov 06 19:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is schestowitz with 92 dents!Nov 06 19:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn also, in those days I think there was more confusion about #FaiF vs #FaiBNov 06 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] Watched "The social Network" movie http://ur1.ca/2a8n5. Mark Zuckerberg uses #emacs #apache #mysql. Must watch for a geek/nerdNov 06 20:02
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amarsh04seen at work the other night... hp/compaq pc's with floppy drives, vga + displayport video outputs, 8*usb +1*eia-232 serial, no parallel port and win7 downgraded to xpNov 06 20:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] RT @dougvann: at #IndygiveCamp working on taking http://bit.ly/aNLFWN from Drupal4.7.5 to D6 & adding #CiviCRM! Going quite well actually!Nov 06 20:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Major Doak Weston, proud owner of a pair of brass balls dsek http://ur1.ca/2a8qpNov 06 20:20
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-TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] Complaining that someone else isn't performing their subculture correctly is sure-fire tell of all-consuming neurotic insecurity...Nov 06 20:21
-TRT/#techrights-[doctorow] E.g., "That's not really steampunk|goth|punk" whatever. "You're doing your subculture wrong" is such sad, neurasthenic delicacyNov 06 20:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Major Doak Weston, proud owner of a pair of brass balls http://ur1.ca/2a8qpNov 06 20:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Steve Ballmer, CEO and ape-like mascot of Microsoft, is worth over $2 billion http://ur1.ca/2a8ru #DOUCHEBAGNov 06 20:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Remember that cop that killed the innocent black guy riding the BART? He got 2 years http://ur1.ca/2a8sh #policestate #wtfNov 06 20:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Mark's Announcement Sparks New Wayland Activity: Mark Shuttleworth's announcement this week that Ubuntu will eve... http://bit.ly/cO0OGWNov 06 20:45
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-TRT/#techrights-[zoobab] Canadian PO says computer is undefined: "The definition of "computer" is so broad and vague that it has little meaning" http://ur1.ca/2a8xdNov 06 20:48
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Evaluating Or Testing Utility SCADA Security? http://bit.ly/9fPfjVNov 06 20:48
-TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: Remember that cop that killed the innocent black guy riding the BART? He got 2 years http://ur1.ca/2a8sh... http://ff.im/thOEqNov 06 20:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Now here's weird thing. Very long filenames won't go in the recycle bin in Windows but they will in Linux. What's the MacOSX situation then?Nov 06 20:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Michel Barnier Still Confused, Spreading Misconception About Patents and ”Competitiveness“ http://ur.ly/sxn0 #eu #swpatsNov 06 20:50
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-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] ARTE WikiLeaks now online | ARTE http://videos.arte.tv/fr/videos/arte_reportage-3515246.htmlNov 06 20:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Front Groups #BSA and #ACT Try to Give Google More Legal Problems http://ur.ly/sogxNov 06 20:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Scored a sweet deal on a reissue '53 Fender Precision (the "Sting" model), with a Lindy Fralin pickup. Sounds and plays like a dream.Nov 06 20:57
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-TRT/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] systematic,brutal mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners at secret British military interrogation centre http://gu.com/p/2kqqx/tw #iraq #war #blairNov 06 21:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Myanmar (Burma) Shattered by #Microsoft #Windows Zombies http://ur.ly/s7Su #securityNov 06 21:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz Myanmar (Burma) Shattered by #Microsoft #Windows Zombies http://ur.ly/s7Su #securityNov 06 21:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] (Dubious election in Burma) http://ur1.ca/2a94rNov 06 21:23
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ZiomatrixMyanmar is probably being cyber attacked due to something to do with the new constitutional elections to form a parliament.Nov 06 21:31
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-TRT/#techrights-[rcweir] Only 4% of users have updated to Office 2010. Retraining costs (Ribbon interface) cited as concern. http://bit.ly/cbR5xDNov 06 21:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] back in the crib. was mad cold outside. gotta go back out though.Nov 06 21:37
tessierhttp://money.cnn.com/video/technology/2010/11/05/t_windows_phone_7_review.cnnmoney/?source=cnn_bin&hpt=SbinNov 06 21:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] ♻ @sloshy Setting up a printer, and in the instruction manual, it listed Ubuntu, Fedora, and OpenSUSE !Linux as supported.Nov 06 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Exactly! ♻ @methoddan @fabsh: Well that's why it's a disclaimer, we just like to preface bullshit with it ;)Nov 06 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] ♻ @schestowitz Myanmar (Burma) Shattered by #Microsoft #Windows Zombies http://ur.ly/s7Su #securityNov 06 21:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] latest blog post http://blog.catharcyst.com/2010/11/well-i-slid-back-on-track-in-school.htmlNov 06 21:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @jwildeboer suggestion for your laser artwork on the air: s/(AppleLogo)/(FedoraLogo)/gNov 06 21:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @jwildeboer geek pun and fits the laptop's designNov 06 21:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Tomorrow (Nov 7) is the LAST day to book a room for #FUDCon at the group rate. Only 5 rooms left, don't delay! http://2tu.us/2kpzNov 06 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Accused of Using the #W3C for Marketing Purposes http://ur.ly/srUn #standard #www Nov 06 21:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Intellectual monopolies Hall of Fame http://ur.ly/s9Ho championing monopolies of invisible thingsNov 06 21:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @openbytes: ♻ @sloshy Setting up a printer, and in the instruction manual, it listed Ubuntu, Fedora, and OpenSUSE !Linux as supported.Nov 06 21:55
-TRT/#techrights-[slashdot] Going Faster Than the Wind In a Wind-Powered Cart http://bit.ly/9k60BdNov 06 22:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] FSM: !Ubuntu embraces !Unity and Wayland. Or, GNU/Linux is exciting again http://goo.gl/nrQNb via @charlietca1Nov 06 22:13
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-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] If you support WikiLeaks, we need your help now. 100,000 x $10 USD=$1,000,000. Keep us strong: http://bit.ly/aQ7fipNov 06 22:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: elementary mail app #Postler comes to Launchpad http://goo.gl/Yr9W1Nov 06 22:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Intel Gets Ready With New X.Org Driver For Sandy Bridge: Intel is gearing up to release their xf86-video-intel 2... http://bit.ly/9aEGIMNov 06 22:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] (Not so fast) http://ur1.ca/2a9kfNov 06 22:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, I felt that the !FaiF vs. #FaiP confusion had mostly cleared up by mid-1997 or so. Newbies, of course, still always confused.Nov 06 22:30
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] If you have contributed $ to keeping WL strong, please tell the world. Lead by example. http://bit.ly/aQ7fipNov 06 22:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Antivirus #Antitrust Against #Microsoft http://ur.ly/sro5 #trendmicroNov 06 22:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] OpenHatch successfully brings students into the world of free software! www.reddit.com/tb/e2a41 Way to go @openhatchery @asheeshlaroia !Nov 06 22:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] watching Rear Window with mum, dad, @sarahdrinkwaterNov 06 22:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @laurelrusswurm ...covers everything from KBE (which wasn't named then) to staged photos like "La Jette" & "Butch Cassidy" to simple montageNov 06 22:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Time to get a new keyboard... seems I've worn many of the letters off & keep typing "O" instead of "I" *sigh*Nov 06 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @pensadorlouco Today's follows: @badjokers @rogbitt @hgfernan @laurelrusswurm @monikgtr @ZczZzcz @Kingbarrj @fabianochiclete @NandaBo ...Nov 06 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] ♻ @schestowitz #Microsoft Accused of Using the #W3C for Marketing Purposes http://ur.ly/srUn #standard #www Nov 06 22:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I predict a Birmingham City V West Ham "what happened next" trivia entry with an answer of "the sprinklers went off"Nov 06 22:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] The first beta of the Debian Installer 6.0 has been released | Debian News http://ur1.ca/2a9t3 !debianNov 06 23:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] (UN human rights council universal periodic review conference) http://ur1.ca/2a9wuNov 06 23:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @syanide: Why Facebook will never overtake Google as #1 website in the world http://post.ly/1AJCj #facebook #google #humor #webNov 06 23:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] It's funny how 1 sentence with both the words !emacs and #vim in it can cause that much tumult.Nov 06 23:42
-TRT/#techrights-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks at the UN (photo) | AFP http://www.gettyimages.se/detail/106568733/AFPNov 06 23:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Imogen Heap at the Albert Hall: IMG_2310, originally uploaded by webmink. We were in London yesterday on our ... http://bit.ly/9EiDSFNov 06 23:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @motters: re-introduction of slavery http://is.gd/gN4LNNov 06 23:53
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