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schestowitz | jono: ping | Dec 22 20:49 |
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jono | schestowitz hey | Dec 22 20:58 |
schestowitz | Hey mate, I'm thinking about writing a book based on my 4+ years covering Novell | Dec 22 21:01 |
schestowitz | SOmething explaining how the deal affected the company | Dec 22 21:01 |
schestowitz | I wanted to ask you, what kind of download/sale numbers are you seeing? | Dec 22 21:01 |
schestowitz | I just don't generally know what reach books have these days, esp. without major publishers | Dec 22 21:02 |
jono | it all depends on how the publisher promotes it | Dec 22 21:02 |
schestowitz | We had this discussion over a year ago | Dec 22 21:03 |
jono | TAoC seems to be doing well, selling a bunch of copies | Dec 22 21:03 |
schestowitz | Back then I had less time to write a book and less reason too. Now Novell is history. | Dec 22 21:03 |
jono | if you get a decent publisher, they will push it | Dec 22 21:03 |
jono | I think it would be an interesting, if controvertial, book | Dec 22 21:03 |
schestowitz | jono: what order oif magnitude for your book? Thousands? | Dec 22 21:03 |
jono | thousands | Dec 22 21:03 |
schestowitz | That's very good | Dec 22 21:03 |
schestowitz | [21:03] <jono> I think it would be an interesting, if controvertial, book | Dec 22 21:04 |
schestowitz | Doesn't matter who writes it | Dec 22 21:04 |
schestowitz | THe topic is controversial | Dec 22 21:04 |
jono | indeed | Dec 22 21:04 |
jono | just be careful with your facts - you may get sued | Dec 22 21:04 |
schestowitz | PJ gets blowback now | Dec 22 21:04 |
schestowitz | For the new Novell piece | Dec 22 21:04 |
jono | yea | Dec 22 21:06 |
jono | just be careful - you need to make sure your content is rock solid, otherwise you could be open to litigation | Dec 22 21:06 |
schestowitz | jono: it's usually interpretations | Dec 22 21:07 |
schestowitz | When people disagree with how I view things | Dec 22 21:07 |
jono | possibly, but there is difference between people online slamming you and you being ask to go to cour | Dec 22 21:08 |
jono | t | Dec 22 21:08 |
jono | not saying you shouldn't do it, just be careful | Dec 22 21:08 |
schestowitz | The pertinent facts are rarely challenged and I cite the sources they come from, the sworn enemies exaggerate the accuracy being deficient | Dec 22 21:08 |
schestowitz | jono: UK libel law is crazy | Dec 22 21:08 |
schestowitz | You're in California now. Burden of proof on plaintiff. | Dec 22 21:09 |
MinceR | can you publish from a country with saner laws? | Dec 22 21:09 |
schestowitz | Maybe I'll move to Florida for a while | Dec 22 21:10 |
schestowitz | Be with relatives of mine | Dec 22 21:10 |
schestowitz | But that won't help when I return to the UK | Dec 22 21:10 |
MinceR | ic | Dec 22 21:10 |
jono | just something to be bear in mind schestowitz | Dec 22 21:10 |
schestowitz | It's not about where you write/publish it | Dec 22 21:10 |
schestowitz | Libel law is also censorship utility | Dec 22 21:11 |
schestowitz | PJ hides, address wide | Dec 22 21:11 |
schestowitz | *wise | Dec 22 21:11 |
schestowitz | SCO threatened her AFAIK | Dec 22 21:11 |
schestowitz | I heard they also tried to serve her a subpoena | Dec 22 21:11 |
schestowitz | Novell is now run by a cowboy like McBride | Dec 22 21:13 |
schestowitz | One who would spray dozens of massive bison with bullets in a fit of outrage | Dec 22 21:13 |
schestowitz | Land of the free (bullets) | Dec 22 21:13 |
schestowitz | Imagine if it was CHina | Dec 22 21:14 |
MinceR | land of the handful of free people who abuse their power planetwide | Dec 22 21:14 |
schestowitz | The US would do propaganda about CHina gun culture | Dec 22 21:14 |
schestowitz | SHowing rodeo show | Dec 22 21:14 |
schestowitz | Animal cruelty | Dec 22 21:14 |
schestowitz | And man rising horses with shotguns/machine guns | Dec 22 21:14 |
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schestowitz | OK, I'm inquiring to see if a friend can help with a book. | Dec 22 23:01 |
schestowitz | My friend has even said she'd do the cover design for me (she's a really good designer), if I want. | Dec 22 23:01 |
schestowitz | I'll mail her quickly... | Dec 22 23:02 |
schestowitz | OK, done...: | Dec 22 23:07 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 22 23:07 |
schestowitz | A year and a half ago we talked about writing a book. Back then I was tied to some things, but now we're at a crucial moment. It's about Novell | Dec 22 23:07 |
schestowitz | Novell as a company is now dead and there ought to be literature documenting what happened. I am getting loads of visitors this year (tens of thousands uniques per month) and you, a dear friend, once contacted me to suggest working on a book. I think it will be a good way to turn the work (accumulated over the years) into something that's more sustainable -- long-term -- and maybe widely recognised too. | Dec 22 23:07 |
schestowitz | Would you be interested in co-authoring a book? Or maybe help me publish mine? Here is a plan. Since this one is not about Microsoft (it's a crowded area, I don't think people wrote about Novell's bad side) I'd like to help document what I've learned over the past 4+ years. There is an audience for such a book, but it's not about a market. Rather, it's about organising material suitably. I favour LaTeX, but Wiki would be good for | Dec 22 23:07 |
schestowitz | drafting. There is room for reusing lots of posts. | Dec 22 23:07 |
schestowitz | You said you have a publishing house and once wrote to me: | Dec 22 23:07 |
schestowitz | "I think a book would be an excellent thing to do! Mostly because it would give people that are new, and who don't know the history, a easy way to get the whole picture. | Dec 22 23:07 |
schestowitz | "A book is a huge amount of work, but once you get through the first one you'll have a template to follow for the next ones and it will go much faster." | Dec 22 23:07 |
schestowitz | I can of course pay for services and I might wish to write future books on other subjects like Microsoft and the connection between societal freedom and software freedom. The thing about Novell is, if there's time to write about its downfall, it's now. | Dec 22 23:07 |
schestowitz | " | Dec 22 23:07 |
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