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| schestowitz | This seems troubling: "Taking down a site because it might possibly be subject to a DDoS attack in the future? How does that make sense? We were confused enough when EveryDNS claimed that getting hit by a DDoS violated its terms of service, but its even more confusing to think that the remote possibility that at some date in the future you might get hit by a DDoS is a terms of service violation." | Dec 26 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101222/22394012391/now-random-webhosts-are-demanding-wikileaks-mirrors-be-taken-down-over-possibility-ddos.shtml | Dec 26 14:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Now Random Webhosts Are Demanding Wikileaks Mirrors Be Taken Down Over Possibility Of DDoS? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 140.77 KB | Dec 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Seems like censorship excuse | Dec 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | friend of mine warned that they might try to do this quietly | Dec 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > Just wanted to point out some things that I would have mentioned if you | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > had an encrypted chat option (Skype, Jabber over SSL, or even SSL to | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > irc). - my Google Talk is xxxxxxx(not email!) | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > 1) Be prepared for ALL the WL mirrors to be forced off the net. 1,000 | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > just is not enough. They can roll these up in a matter of days, which | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > also means... | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > 2) Everyone involved in mirroring is at serious personal risk, from | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > death, through arrest, surveillance, and of course a permanent record - | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > depending on who they are and where they live. Because of this I have | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > removed my 3 tweets suggesting that people set up mirrors. | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > 3) The US govt will not STOP pursuing those who help WL. They will use | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > every mirror as a starting point for investigation - it's a rich source | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > of strong leads, since there is evidence of actual actions; unlike, say, | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > tweeting about it. | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > 4) The WL organisation is at greatest risk. I am not convinced JA was | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > able to set up an organisation that's immune from rapid | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > infiltration/roll-up/destruction. Of course he worked for many years to | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > design such an organisation, but I suspect that his timing was | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > premature. (Probably much much pressure to release, and a very difficult | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > decision to take the risk.) | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > The people who possess the raw material, redactors, editors, admins, and | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > the infrastructure that is publishing are at serious peril. They will be | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > focusing the bulk of their efforts to identify everyone involved and | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > shutting them down as quickly as possible. We already know this from | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > harassment of Appelbaum and Marlinspike, long before cablegate. They | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > will NOT STOP, Roy, until WL is shut down. | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > Be very careful. And be prepared for WL to disappear off the net, and | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > thousands of innocent being swept up. Perhaps even you and I. | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > Paulo Freire ... is one of the most important educators of the 20th | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > century and is considered one of the most important theorists of | Dec 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | > "critical pedagogy" - the educational movement guided by both passion | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > and principle to help students develop a consciousness of freedom, | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > recognize authoritarian tendencies, empower the imagination, connect | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > knowledge and truth to power and learn to read both the word and the | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > world as part of a broader struggle for agency, justice and democracy. | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > His groundbreaking book, "Pedagogy of the Oppressed," has sold more than | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > a million copies and is deservedly being commemorated this year - the | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > 40th anniversary of its appearance in English translation - after having | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > exerted its influence over generations of teachers and intellectuals in | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > the Americas and abroad | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.truth-out.org/lessons-be-learned-from-paulo-freire-education-is-being-taken-over-mega-rich65363 | Dec 26 14:54 |
| MinceR | holy wall of text, batman | Dec 26 14:54 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Lessons to Be Learned From Paulo Freire as Education Is Being Taken Over by the Mega Rich .::. Size~: 77.84 KB | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Re: Education, Ignorance, etc | Dec 26 14:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: :-p | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | It's from weeks ago | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Did not happen | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | But they might still try to censor it | Dec 26 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Yes all WL Mirrors could be forced off the net if the USA decided to flex there complete power over the internet. | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | I got criticed for a tweet of mine; | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > "Based on mail I received, until access to !Wikileaks is made almost | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > impossibl,e the senators who spearhead those witch-hunt won't rest" | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:55 |
| oiaohm | But the backlash from the world would be so great it would not be funny. | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > Remember the senators are only a public sideshow. They have 2 roles, 1) | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > they have to do in public what the (brainwashed) public expects them to | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > do; 2) it's a useful distraction. | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > But the real action progresses, constantly, outside public view, or | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > knowledge of Congress. We have seen proven countless times that the US | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > govt operates outside the law. The suppression of Wikileaks is no | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > different - it will be carried out outside the law. | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > We all know that the reason Assange isn't already dead is that he's a | Dec 26 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > public figure and the fallout would be inconvenient. | Dec 26 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Really what is the point to kill Assange | Dec 26 14:56 |
| schestowitz | No point | Dec 26 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Kill the person who leaked the information so they cannot do it again. | Dec 26 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's too late | Dec 26 14:56 |
| schestowitz | He's too many people | Dec 26 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "I am ssange" | Dec 26 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "I am Assange" | Dec 26 14:56 |
| schestowitz | It's the material that matters | Dec 26 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Kill Assange he will be replaced. | Dec 26 14:56 |
| schestowitz | And they distribute the data encrypted | Dec 26 14:56 |
| schestowitz | To reduce assassination incentive | Dec 26 14:57 |
| oiaohm | At least Assange is not out to use the information for pure evil. | Dec 26 14:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they already have a new spokesman from Iceland | Dec 26 14:57 |
| schestowitz | A TV person, I think | Dec 26 14:57 |
| oiaohm | openleaks and wikileaks both exist now. | Dec 26 14:57 |
| oiaohm | So they are multiplying. | Dec 26 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Now what would be the best way to counter wikileaks. | Dec 26 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Mirror it many times over but make sure that all your mirrors are infected in a way that they are harddrive destorying. | Dec 26 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Sooner or latter no one will be game to go near wikileaks. | Dec 26 14:59 |
| oiaohm | No need to kill. | Dec 26 14:59 |
| MinceR | make it obsolete via anarchy | Dec 26 14:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 26 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Dec 26 14:59 |
| MinceR | or at least via transparent democracy | Dec 26 15:00 |
| oiaohm | then say the people around wikileaks are anachy and evil virus ... And the attacker put them there. | Dec 26 15:00 |
| MinceR | you seem to misunderstand me | Dec 26 15:00 |
| oiaohm | anarchy allows them give validation to using mil force. MinceR | Dec 26 15:00 |
| MinceR | no, in anarchy there is no "them" | Dec 26 15:01 |
| oiaohm | What do you think the insergancts USA fights in many countries are. | Dec 26 15:01 |
| MinceR | what do you think they are? | Dec 26 15:01 |
| oiaohm | It always seams funny. Most of the insergents trace back to CIA training. | Dec 26 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Basically gun fooder to keep the USA arms companies turning over. | Dec 26 15:03 |
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| schestowitz | "I wanted to thank you again for putting forth information and helping mediate with Ron's department." | Dec 26 15:24 |
| schestowitz | ^^ old message... | Dec 26 15:25 |
| schestowitz | "Ron and I met and it was agreed (nothing signed yet though) that I will move from biomed to computer science where I will work for Ron, who is well funded. Thanks again." | Dec 26 15:25 |
| schestowitz | I might be relocating my lab... | Dec 26 15:26 |
| schestowitz | In the new year | Dec 26 15:26 |
| schestowitz | But I also want to start a company on the side | Dec 26 15:26 |
| schestowitz | "@thistleweb: plenty of "democratic" govts would love to be able to model the internet on #China openly, but fear the PR backlash, so have to use backdoor" | Dec 26 15:27 |
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