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| oiaohm | schestowitz: I will give you some very wise advice. No matter how tempting the last set of documents are on wikileaks. Don't copy them onto the techrights site at this time. There are some prise documents in there. That a lot of parties don't want to see the light of day. | Dec 04 07:06 |
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| schestowitz | I know | Dec 04 07:19 |
| schestowitz | I was not going t host wikileaks material | Dec 04 07:19 |
| schestowitz | If I put them in verbatim, this too could be an issue, so I just link to them (now not reachable because I used domain name, not IP address) | Dec 04 07:20 |
| oiaohm | I fear the next wave might be hunting down even linking to them. | Dec 04 07:20 |
| oiaohm | I expect in a few months time we will be able to raid what is in that pile but touching it too soon will bring more trouble than we need. | Dec 04 07:21 |
| oiaohm | Not like a few months delay is going to make any difference long term. | Dec 04 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Basically I am expecting a truly public battle. | Dec 04 07:26 |
| schestowitz | They'll get backlash as they already do | Dec 04 07:30 |
| oiaohm | I am sorry some of the docs in there are highly senstive. | Dec 04 07:32 |
| oiaohm | Like the example of the USA writing laws for a differnet country. | Dec 04 07:32 |
| oiaohm | That were put forward as the countries own idea. | Dec 04 07:32 |
| oiaohm | The backlash of taking a few sites off line is nothing compared to the backlash some of those documents can cause over breach of independance of countries. | Dec 04 07:33 |
| oiaohm | In this game they have reason to go all out. | Dec 04 07:33 |
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| oiaohm | One of the thing I am worried about is how far will the USA be prepared to go. Will they be prepared to go to IP filtering. | Dec 04 07:39 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, surreal | Dec 04 07:44 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Dec 04 07:44 |
| schestowitz | They did it before | Dec 04 07:44 |
| schestowitz | In a way | Dec 04 07:44 |
| schestowitz | DHS seizing domain | Dec 04 07:44 |
| schestowitz | No due process | Dec 04 07:44 |
| schestowitz | So it came just before Wikileaks too | Dec 04 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Tyrannical beast within | Dec 04 07:44 |
| oiaohm | Techically no seized | Dec 04 07:56 |
| oiaohm | This is a normal IT war process. | Dec 04 07:56 |
| oiaohm | Read the contract person has on hosting and dns and pull them up on breach of contract. | Dec 04 07:57 |
| oiaohm | So hopefully it goes invisable. | Dec 04 07:57 |
| oiaohm | And a lot of those clauses are required so hosting and dns provides can operate inside the rules of safe harbor. | Dec 04 07:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes rules of safe harbor is a ass hole at times. | Dec 04 08:00 |
| oiaohm | https://www.thepaypalblog.com/2010/12/paypal-statement-regarding-wikileaks/ | Dec 04 08:00 |
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| oiaohm | Who ever is doing this is being effective. | Dec 04 08:00 |
| oiaohm | Every company wikileaks deals with will be targeted under the rules of safe harbour to cut of there flow of resources. | Dec 04 08:01 |
| oiaohm | Now they can also target the routers in and out of the USA this way as well. schestowitz | Dec 04 08:02 |
| oiaohm | Yes the great china firewall and the australian firewall are at least open and above board about what they are doing. | Dec 04 08:02 |
| oiaohm | There have been a few sites in the past taken out from having access from inside the usa by safe harbour methods. | Dec 04 08:04 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean compelte right down to ip. | Dec 04 08:05 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm.. server down again? | Dec 04 08:18 |
| schestowitz | I can't reach the server from anywhere... | Dec 04 08:19 |
| schestowitz | server load is said to be high on Techrights | Dec 04 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Do me a favour see what you make of it... | Dec 04 08:20 |
| schestowitz | I think server load might be the cause | Dec 04 08:21 |
| oiaohm | I don't have the monitoring to guess. | Dec 04 08:22 |
| oiaohm | I would not put dos attacks against anyone talking about wikileaks at the moment. | Dec 04 08:23 |
| oiaohm | But that is just me I don't have the exact information on who is hunting wikileaks. | Dec 04 08:23 |
| oiaohm | To know what there actions will be. | Dec 04 08:23 |
| oiaohm | Its also possible that the proxy has developed a hardware problem as well. schestowitz | Dec 04 08:24 |
| schestowitz | You know why it's interesting? | Dec 04 08:25 |
| schestowitz | I was just drafting a post about wikileaks | Dec 04 08:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: this seems like a possiblity | Dec 04 08:26 |
| schestowitz | I can't reach the site | Dec 04 08:26 |
| schestowitz | Yet I see heavy load on it | Dec 04 08:26 |
| schestowitz | Server not responsive | Dec 04 08:26 |
| schestowitz | Oh, crap | Dec 04 08:26 |
| schestowitz | It's down again | Dec 04 08:26 |
| schestowitz | I'll ping tessier | Dec 04 08:26 |
| oiaohm | We have a lot to still talk about even if we avoid the wikileaks leaked data for now. | Dec 04 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Like the pure use of safe harbour. | Dec 04 08:28 |
| oiaohm | That means all sites doing illegal things can be shut down without warrent or anything else. | Dec 04 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie what were the torrent sites complaining about. | Dec 04 08:29 |
| oiaohm | They got due process | Dec 04 08:29 |
| schestowitz | ok, he's awake | Dec 04 08:29 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/#!/razvansandu/status/10978649406709760 "Coincidences, coincidences... ;-) Were they Win2008 servers pinging you "in concert", by any chance? =)) =))" | Dec 04 09:13 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: there's a #wikileaks chan here. | Dec 04 16:50 |
| schestowitz | I can imagine | Dec 04 16:50 |
| schestowitz | But what for? | Dec 04 16:50 |
| MinceR | to ask for the domain name that isn't down? :> | Dec 04 16:51 |
| MinceR | or ip address | Dec 04 16:52 |
| MinceR | and to discuss censorship, perhaps | Dec 04 16:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: there's a Mendax in it. wasn't that JA's old handle? | Dec 04 16:57 |
| schestowitz | yes | Dec 04 17:04 |
| schestowitz | But maybe it's a faker | Dec 04 17:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if Mendax was even Julian, but Wikipedia makes this claim | Dec 04 17:05 |
| MinceR | then again, wales hates wikileaks | Dec 04 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it rings a bell | Dec 04 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i think it may be true. of course this account could be somebody else. | Dec 04 17:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: cause wikipediaq thrives in reputation | Dec 04 17:07 |
| schestowitz | People just remember "Wiki" | Dec 04 17:07 |
| schestowitz | And some think the govt goes after wikipedia | Dec 04 17:07 |
| schestowitz | My mom thought wikileaks has something to do with me | Dec 04 17:08 |
| MinceR | people are stupid | Dec 04 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Cause I set up 4 wikis | Dec 04 17:08 |
| MinceR | and wales believes the word "wiki" belongs to him | Dec 04 17:08 |
| schestowitz | One of them my mom was using | Dec 04 17:08 |
| MinceR | even though he didn't invent anything about it | Dec 04 17:08 |
| schestowitz | he invented donation banner with face :-) | Dec 04 17:08 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 04 17:08 |
| MinceR | are you sure? | Dec 04 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Aparatus for combining jerk with plea | Dec 04 17:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 04 17:09 |
| MinceR | well, it's got the word "apparatus" in it, so it's patentable | Dec 04 17:09 |
| schestowitz | yes, there has to be a device | Dec 04 17:10 |
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| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/zZ3fC.png | Dec 04 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: oiaohm's dad? :-) | Dec 04 17:17 |
| MinceR | dunno | Dec 04 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Dented | Dec 04 17:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 04 17:19 |
| schestowitz | PJ links to http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/22/business/media/22carr.html?src=busln | Dec 04 17:19 |
| schestowitz | No criticism | Dec 04 17:19 |
| schestowitz | She hopefully links to Wikileaks | Dec 04 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Let's see... | Dec 04 17:20 |
| MinceR | of course, she's a crApple cultist | Dec 04 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | ??? | Dec 04 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Dec 04 17:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR exaggerates | Dec 04 17:21 |
| MinceR | all that drooling over how "innovative" shit such as hypePhones are | Dec 04 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | she won't link to WL if it's purely off topic. | Dec 04 17:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/feds-raid-level-global-investors-lp-diamondback-capital-management-llc-and-loch-capital-management-llc/19729453 | Dec 04 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's law related | Dec 04 17:22 |
| schestowitz | And censorship | Dec 04 17:22 |
| schestowitz | But... | Dec 04 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | her Newspicks and OT threads will be all over it. | Dec 04 17:22 |
| schestowitz | It's controversial | Dec 04 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | she'll write about it inasfar as it is relevant. | Dec 04 17:22 |
| MinceR | and of course supporting crApple in anticompetitive practices such as the ones against Psystar | Dec 04 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | she does not bring stuff up that's tangential. | Dec 04 17:23 |
| schestowitz | hypePad and Mar-Dosh for artificial scarcity | Dec 04 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm, speaking of kindle, | Dec 04 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think i'll close my amazon account today | Dec 04 17:23 |
| schestowitz | http://googleenterprise.blogspot.com/2010/11/bridge-to-cloud-google-cloud-connect.html | Dec 04 17:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Official Google Enterprise Blog: A bridge to the cloud: Google Cloud Connect for Microsoft Office now available to early testers .::. Size~: 126.56 KB | Dec 04 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | and paypal in a few days | Dec 04 17:24 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: why did it take so long? | Dec 04 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: do you think paypal would ever reverse that decision? | Dec 04 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Daniel says "shutit!" | Dec 04 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: well i don't use it anyway, amazon doesn't sell anything i want except used books, and abebooks is equally good | Dec 04 17:24 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I think they are pressured into it | Dec 04 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: seems so | Dec 04 17:24 |
| schestowitz | They have to play nice with the Feds | Dec 04 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, somebody threatened | Dec 04 17:24 |
| schestowitz | So I placed blame with the fascist (Lieberman) | Dec 04 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: but the account is a third party anyway. | Dec 04 17:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | i hope they clear it often, i put a chunk of cash in it last week | Dec 04 17:25 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Joe-Lieberman.jpg | Dec 04 17:25 |
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| schestowitz | What scares you most | Dec 04 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Is it Joe Lieberman or Joe McCarthy? | Dec 04 17:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/11/22/32010.htm | Dec 04 17:26 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Lieberman is revolting. Has been for a while. | Dec 04 17:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | forever, probably. | Dec 04 17:28 |
| schestowitz | http://jurist.org/paperchase/2010/11/china-senior-official-urges-lawyers-to-promote-social-justice.php | Dec 04 17:29 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: he told out to healthcare IIRC | Dec 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz | They paid him money to shill for them, instantaneously killing many ill USians who could be saved by medical attention | Dec 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz | Hilary too | Dec 04 17:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. but that's recent | Dec 04 17:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's always been an ass | Dec 04 17:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | congress is full of this type | Dec 04 17:33 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Hoplophobia | Dec 04 17:36 |
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| schestowitz | why would a site admit Macs are a cult? http://www.cultofmac.com/cool-news-now-your-fridge-can-run-linux/71153 | Dec 04 17:38 |
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| MinceR | it's pretty hard to deny, isn't it? | Dec 04 17:39 |
| schestowitz | From Groklaw News Picks: http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/11/25/apple.makes.symbolic.acquisition.of.old.hp.hq/ | Dec 04 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | I just don't see how it's relevant to GL | Dec 04 17:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/blog/2010/11/name-request-puts-egg-in-facebook.html | Dec 04 17:43 |
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| MinceR | it's obvious once you realize that groklaw is a crApple fansite | Dec 04 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | it is? | Dec 04 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | i never noticed that | Dec 04 17:43 |
| MinceR | it's well concealed, but there are clues | Dec 04 17:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | cui bono? | Dec 04 17:44 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/162274/ Hmmm.. | Dec 04 17:48 |
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| schestowitz | "[PJ] wrote about it for LWN" | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's not | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR and I don't quite agree, Groklaw *was* boosting APple | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | It hardly does after I pointed this out, but it's not cause I raised it and started a massive thread of 100+ comments | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | i think that crApple fangirlism has no place in the sort of site groklaw purports to be | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Let me carry on looking | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I look at 2 weeks of GL | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | crApple is quite the enemy of users' freedom | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Mostly news about law | Dec 04 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: you'd better come up with examples | Dec 04 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: it would save schestowitz some time, if nothing else | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | yet PJ takes sides with crApple all the time | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: one example is groklaw's stance regarding the Psystar case | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | and IBM | Dec 04 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: and what does the law say about psystar? | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | you can guess what their stance would be if m$ was doing the same thing | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I really hope to see Groklaw saying something about IBM's embarrassing patents just once | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Usually it just won't mention it | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: afaik crApple is tying sales of their hw with sales of osx, and Psystar called them on that | Dec 04 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | PJ takes an admirable position of independence when it comes to the law. | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | independence of the law? | Dec 04 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | if the law favours microsoft, she admits it. | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | yes | Dec 04 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: no, re-read what i wrote. | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | But... | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | She can apply the same principles to others | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I think it's not just MSFT and SCOX | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | yet she does not | Dec 04 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | does not what? | Dec 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | And I get flak for it | Dec 04 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: text please, paste some examples | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | there are also the praises for crApple crap | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: i would give you links if the site was anything navigable | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | but it's a complete mess | Dec 04 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: what are *you* doing to destroy apple? complaining here won't get their hq firebombed. take some positive steps. | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: sorry, i don't have an army | Dec 04 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | does PJ? | Dec 04 17:49 |
| MinceR | but at least i'm not drooling publicly over how "innovative" their products are | Dec 04 17:50 |
| MinceR | (protip: they're not) | Dec 04 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: text? | Dec 04 17:50 |
| MinceR | and i'm not claiming that Psystar has no right to do what they're doing | Dec 04 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | you could drool publicly over how much you hate apple. that would be a start. | Dec 04 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: maybe they don't. | Dec 04 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: this is where PJ defers to the law. | Dec 04 17:50 |
| MinceR | oh, sorry if i offended your sensibilities | Dec 04 17:50 |
| MinceR | yeah, to the law as she reads it | Dec 04 17:50 |
| MinceR | after applying crApple-fan biases | Dec 04 17:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | so post your legal counter-arguments in her comment threads. | Dec 04 17:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | i assume you're trained | Dec 04 17:51 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Dec 04 17:51 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: i don't really care about that site | Dec 04 17:51 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: besides if i were to post counter-arguments in every crApple fansite, i'd require more than 24 hours a day | Dec 04 17:51 |
| MinceR | hm, groklaw's search sucks | Dec 04 17:53 |
| MinceR | "Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /public/vhost/g/groklaw/system/classes/template.class.php on line 499" | Dec 04 17:53 |
| schestowitz | yeah, lots of content | Dec 04 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Search is slow there | Dec 04 17:57 |
| schestowitz | mathfox is not there anymore, either | Dec 04 17:57 |
| MinceR | too slow to work before the php timeout shoots it down | Dec 04 17:58 |
| MinceR | so it's unusable | Dec 04 17:58 |
| schestowitz | report to pj2@groklaw.net | Dec 04 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-seizes-bittorrent-search-engine-domain-and-more-101126/ | Dec 04 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: most of her links are good | Dec 04 18:03 |
| schestowitz | That's why I read it, I'm not looking for friction | Dec 04 18:04 |
| schestowitz | I just hope she'd cut the applwe | Dec 04 18:04 |
| MinceR | she never will, if nobody calls her on it | Dec 04 18:04 |
| schestowitz | I did | Dec 04 18:05 |
| MinceR | getting one's mind out from the RDF is not an easy thing | Dec 04 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://webmink.com/essays/monetisation/ | Dec 04 18:05 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: wrong bone to pick | Dec 04 18:05 |
| schestowitz | btw, in traffic ranks Techrights is above groklaw | Dec 04 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Just that comments for us are in IRC | Dec 04 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw has an iRC channel ages ago, not anymore | Dec 04 18:06 |
| schestowitz | ok | Dec 04 18:20 |
| schestowitz | I found first occurrence of wikileaks on Groklaw | Dec 04 18:20 |
| schestowitz | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/11/29/wikileaks.hacker/?hpt=T2 | Dec 04 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | "Over the past few days, the Jester has targeted a handful of websites for reasons including "online incitement to cause young Muslims to carry out acts of violent jihad," "distributing jihadist instructional materials," and "for the online radicalization of young Muslims in US and Europe."" | Dec 04 18:21 |
| MinceR | what an asshole | Dec 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | NExt post is: http://www.groklaw.net/As%20world%27s%20most-sued%20tech%20company,%20Apple%20is%20forced%20to%20%27lawyer%20up%27 | Dec 04 18:21 |
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| schestowitz | Bad URL | Dec 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Error | Dec 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | But it links to apple case | Dec 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: Sometimes companies hire a lot of the best lawyers in a field so that the other side can't.] - AppleInsider " | Dec 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/comcast-endures-major-internet-outage-on-the-east-coast/?news=123 | Dec 04 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-29/credit-suisse-hp-cba-novell-ubs-pm-group-in-court-news.html | Dec 04 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I find almost nothing about Apple in Groklaw News Picks | Dec 04 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I told you | Dec 04 18:51 |
| schestowitz | This changed around the same we had a massive thread | Dec 04 18:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100727160332817#comments | Dec 04 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-priceline-founder-jay-walker-now-files-patent-suits-for-a-living/ | Dec 04 18:52 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Priceline Founder Jay Walker Now Files Patent Suits For A Living| paidContent .::. Size~: 28.1 KB | Dec 04 18:52 |
| MinceR | but you did find that one you linked to earlier, didn't youo? | Dec 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | yes | Dec 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | But it's less commonly found now | Dec 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | And it's tons better | Dec 04 18:56 |
| MinceR | that's something | Dec 04 18:56 |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw seems to defend Assange | Dec 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | 2nd link it gave says | Dec 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/ | Dec 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Julian Assange's rape case: is Sweden just making it up? Julian Assange's former lawyer writes for Crikey | Crikey .::. Size~: 145.4 KB | Dec 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | "Apparently having consensual sex in Sweden without a condom is punishable by a term of imprisonment of a minimum of two years for rape. That is the basis for a reinstitution of rape charges against WikiLeaks figurehead Julian Assange that is destined to make Sweden and its justice system the laughing stock of the world and dramatically damage its reputation as a model of modernity." | Dec 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if she tries to insinuate this is the main charge | Dec 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe just the legal slant in topic | Dec 04 19:01 |
| MinceR | wtf, sweden? | Dec 04 19:08 |
| MinceR | unrelated: http://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/eg69d/saw_this_in_a_magazine_today_it_was_one_of_the_8/ | Dec 04 19:08 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Saw this in a magazine today. It was one of the "8 easy ways to get rich!" : atheism .::. Size~: 160.55 KB | Dec 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | From Groklaw: "Scalia has an iPad! He uses it for working at home; staff members load the parties’ briefs on to it." | Dec 04 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I know another judge who has an hypePad | Dec 04 19:09 |
| schestowitz | My uncle... | Dec 04 19:09 |
| schestowitz | DRM junk | Dec 04 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Not that legal types understand technology | Dec 04 19:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: in SWEDEN, condom owns YOU | Dec 04 19:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 04 19:10 |
| schestowitz | The one main thing is, | Dec 04 19:17 |
| schestowitz | in 2006-2009 when I mailed her daily she posted Linux picks | Dec 04 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Now there's rarely anything Linux | Dec 04 19:18 |
| schestowitz | But I assume she caters for lawyers who read GL | Dec 04 19:18 |
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| sebsebseb | so I am looking through oldish dents on identic and well | Dec 04 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | someone linked to this lol | Dec 04 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | http://acidcow.com/girls/15443-girls-before-and-after-makeup-21-pics.html | Dec 04 20:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Girls Before and After Makeup (21 pics) .::. Size~: 92.72 KB | Dec 04 20:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ^ | Dec 04 21:02 |
| MinceR | looked at it already | Dec 04 21:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh? | Dec 04 21:07 |
| schestowitz | It's also hair treatment and lothng | Dec 04 21:07 |
| schestowitz | It's also hair treatment and clothng | Dec 04 21:07 |
| schestowitz | More like advert for booty [sic] salon :-) | Dec 04 21:07 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah theres a bit more to it than just make up | Dec 04 21:08 |
| *schestowitz thankful we don't live in a culture where men are compelled to wear make up to fit their 'environment' | Dec 04 21:31 | |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 04 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: right, but you and MinceR may look nicer the way :d | Dec 04 22:07 |
| sebsebseb | that way | Dec 04 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Who for? | Dec 04 22:08 |
| MinceR | what makes you think that we do? | Dec 04 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | for you, your world wide fan club, and for MinceR whoever he is trying to attract :D | Dec 04 22:08 |
| schestowitz | I write text | Dec 04 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm I am joking here since the :d 's if not obvious | Dec 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't matter my appearance as long as my organs function; if I want something that looks good, I have dogs breed for some puppy | Dec 04 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | what was the last bit? | Dec 04 22:09 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: still a valid philosophical question | Dec 04 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: do you do any exercise by the way? | Dec 04 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Like a culture that straightens people's teeth for no great reason; dental health doesn't depend much on it | Dec 04 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Or women who put functionless bags in their tissue | Dec 04 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | I mean setting loads and loasd and loads and loads on a computer, isn't really that good for our pshyical health, and sometimes even mental health | Dec 04 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Unless it can store and make milk, it serves 0 function, it just weighs them down | Dec 04 22:11 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I work out every day | Dec 04 22:11 |
| MinceR | 230826 < schestowitz> It doesn't matter my appearance as long as my organs function; if I want something that looks good, I have dogs breed for some puppy | Dec 04 22:11 |
| MinceR | that's doomed to failure | Dec 04 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh? | Dec 04 22:11 |
| schestowitz | The ones with mental defects that I see hang out too much | Dec 04 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: you go to gym every day, or work out at home, or what? | Dec 04 22:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: why? | Dec 04 22:12 |
| MinceR | because dogs are mostly just ugly | Dec 04 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: you breed puppies, thats what you were saying? | Dec 04 22:12 |
| *sebsebseb likes dogs :) | Dec 04 22:12 | |
| *MinceR hates dogs | Dec 04 22:13 | |
| *sebsebseb hates Min | Dec 04 22:13 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | Dec 04 22:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: there are many breeds | Dec 04 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | aww not really love :D | Dec 04 22:13 |
| schestowitz | We can make one you link | Dec 04 22:13 |
| schestowitz | *like | Dec 04 22:13 |
| MinceR | the one that's born dead? :> | Dec 04 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah all the like nautral dogs pretty much are gone now | Dec 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | marsupial? | Dec 04 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | since humans have been makng their own breeds | Dec 04 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | for a lot of years now | Dec 04 22:14 |
| MinceR | there's nothing natural about dogs | Dec 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | same with cows | Dec 04 22:14 |
| MinceR | it's an abomination that humans bred out of wolves | Dec 04 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | oh they done that with cows as well? | Dec 04 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | made own breeds? | Dec 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | oxen are still around | Dec 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | we just need to treat cows like milk machine and impending MinceR fodder | Dec 04 22:14 |
| schestowitz | sad | Dec 04 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | and the male kalvs, apparnatly get shot in the head, soon after being born | Dec 04 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | in the dairy industry | Dec 04 22:15 |
| schestowitz | it's called viel | Dec 04 22:15 |
| schestowitz | veil | Dec 04 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm I have heard of that, but remind me what that is | Dec 04 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | veal | Dec 04 22:16 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Dec 04 22:16 |
| schestowitz | I know I git it wrong... | Dec 04 22:16 |
| schestowitz | *go | Dec 04 22:16 |
| schestowitz | *got | Dec 04 22:16 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: the rich man's beef | Dec 04 22:16 |
| schestowitz | they eat babies as appetisers | Dec 04 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | I think theres some sort of food, where like can eat the brain of an animal or something. eww | Dec 04 22:17 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: they don't like cows with small tits | Dec 04 22:17 |
| schestowitz | So they kill them shortly after birth | Dec 04 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | people steal the milk as well | Dec 04 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | kalvs get a mix after about two weeks, instead | Dec 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: it's supposed to be very watery, not much to eat | Dec 04 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Not that I ever ate any animal's brain, except maybe small fish if their processing was poor | Dec 04 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm veal is the brain thing? | Dec 04 22:18 |
| MinceR | no, veal is meat | Dec 04 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto gives Bovine Growth Hormine (BGH) to the cows, to give them cancer too | Dec 04 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | who is Monsanto? | Dec 04 22:19 |
| schestowitz | And to pass this cancer to humans who drink such milk in FLorida, for example | Dec 04 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Monsanto tried to sneak BGH into Canda | Dec 04 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: you're kidding? | Dec 04 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Using corruption, as usual | Dec 04 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: get the movie "Food, Inc", that's a start. | Dec 04 22:20 |
| schestowitz | And they bullied the whitsleblowers | Dec 04 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Bunch of criminals | Dec 04 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: uhmm no I wasn't kidding, I know computer stuff and thats about it really | Dec 04 22:20 |
| MinceR | most kinds of cancer aren't contagious, afaik | Dec 04 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: okay well. everybody who eats, should watch "food, inc" as a start. | Dec 04 22:21 |
| MinceR | giving non-human hormones to humans can be risky though | Dec 04 22:21 |
| schestowitz | But it's not the cancer cell | Dec 04 22:21 |
| schestowitz | It's the hormone that causes it | Dec 04 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: that gives insight into some aspects of Monsanto, but there's much more | Dec 04 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: whats that some sort of Youtube video or something? | Dec 04 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it's a film. I saw it in the cinema. | Dec 04 22:21 |
| schestowitz | yes | Dec 04 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: but you can rent the dvd | Dec 04 22:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe it's online somewhere | Dec 04 22:22 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+%22week+of+monsanto%22&sourceid=navclient-ff | Dec 04 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: site:techrights.org "week of monsanto" - Google Search .::. Size~: 53.63 KB | Dec 04 22:22 |
| schestowitz | e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OfO2IB6xVw&feature=related | Dec 04 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - The World According to Monsanto part 2 of 10 .::. Size~: 120.04 KB | Dec 04 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | KDE's Mobile Team Meets for First Sprint http://is.gd/idbns !kde ☛ !gnu ☛ !linux ☛ #development ☛ | Dec 04 22:37 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: KDE's Mobile Team Meets for First Sprint | KDE.news .::. Size~: 10.15 KB | Dec 04 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Interview with Debian Developer Raphaël Hertzog: is !Ubuntu ☛ beneficial for !Debian ☛ ? http://is.gd/idd2r "I think it’s mostly beneficial." | Dec 04 23:01 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Interview with Debian Developer Raphaël Hertzog: is Ubuntu beneficial for Debian? | Linux Operating System .::. Size~: 26.45 KB | Dec 04 23:01 |
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