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| schestowitz | NYU is going to mail me some tagged images :-) | Dec 06 00:06 |
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| schestowitz | Leon has not mailed the images yet but instructed a colleague to do so. | Dec 06 00:06 |
| schestowitz | I've done some reading into papers of Adam et al. and seen how they put arrows as markers in ultrasound. :-) | Dec 06 00:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok | Dec 06 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I have some nice 3d surfaces running now | Dec 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | GNU Octave+gnuplot are great | Dec 06 00:23 |
| schestowitz | >>> help surf | Dec 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | `surf' is a function from the file /usr/share/octave/3.2.3/m/plot/surf.m | Dec 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | -- Function File: surf (X, Y, Z) | Dec 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Plot a surface given matrices X, and Y from `meshgrid' and a | Dec 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | matrix Z corresponding to the X and Y coordinates of the mesh. If | Dec 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | X and Y are vectors, then a typical vertex is (X(j), Y(i), | Dec 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Z(i,j)). Thus, columns of Z correspond to different X values and | Dec 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | rows of Z correspond to different Y values. | Dec 06 00:24 |
| schestowitz | See also: mesh, surface | Dec 06 00:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 06 00:26 |
| schestowitz | Did you work with images? You said you still do | Dec 06 00:28 |
| schestowitz | If so, gnu tools are worth a go | Dec 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm amazed by how advanced they are | Dec 06 00:29 |
| schestowitz | almost up to scratch with matlab, which does the opengl stuff better for me, still | Dec 06 00:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, i sort of do | Dec 06 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | but not scientific processing | Dec 06 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | i come from graphic arts angle | Dec 06 00:36 |
| schestowitz | pr0n site admin ;-o ? | Dec 06 00:55 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/11578854015508480 "@agente_smithe @schestowitz roy is a socialist though so he's on the marxian side" | Dec 06 00:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Brandon Lozza: @agente_smithe @schestowit ... .::. Size~: 13.08 KB | Dec 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | "@ender2070 libertarian rather" | Dec 06 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: 8-| no | Dec 06 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: worse | Dec 06 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: design/marketing | Dec 06 01:02 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like God's job :-) | Dec 06 01:04 |
| schestowitz | But it only delegates others for the marketing/worship | Dec 06 01:05 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/12/06/gnuplot-octave-3d/ | Dec 06 01:12 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: someone in twitter refers to you by full name, Toby Thain | Dec 06 07:00 |
| schestowitz | --Linus Torvalds | Dec 06 07:18 |
| schestowitz | I've run DOOM more in the last few days than I have the last few | Dec 06 07:18 |
| schestowitz | months. I just love debugging ;-) | Dec 06 07:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/janstedehouder/status/11688473027158016 "So you assume apriori #Assange is innocent as to rape charges?" | Dec 06 08:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Jan Stedehouder: @schestowitz So you assume ... .::. Size~: 13.12 KB | Dec 06 08:00 |
| schestowitz | I won't even bother responding to that | Dec 06 08:01 |
| oiaohm | Wise move | Dec 06 08:21 |
| oiaohm | Its not our place to decide if it he has been setup or not. | Dec 06 08:21 |
| schestowitz | "In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell | Dec 06 08:22 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: exactly | Dec 06 08:22 |
| schestowitz | It's like a trap | Dec 06 08:22 |
| schestowitz | "Defend Assange's side in an unknown case" or your point is bunk (liability) | Dec 06 08:22 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: "♻ @darwinsurvivor compiz more stable than openbox,awesome,Xmonad? Maybe more stable than metacity/kde, but even that is debatable. !linux ☛" | Dec 06 08:25 |
| schestowitz | I haven't use these for years | Dec 06 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Is it true they are more stable? | Dec 06 08:25 |
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| MinceR | last time i used compiz it was crash city | Dec 06 08:46 |
| MinceR | it took the GPU with itself | Dec 06 08:46 |
| MinceR | even kwin is a lot more stable than that | Dec 06 08:46 |
| MinceR | (at least kwin doesn't hang X, it just quits) | Dec 06 08:47 |
| MinceR | oh, and compiz has such nice "features" as if you drag the cursor to another monitor in realtime zoom, it locks the cursor to the center of the screen | Dec 06 08:47 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Dec 06 08:47 |
| schestowitz | kwin for kde | Dec 06 08:47 |
| schestowitz | compiz for kde in mandriva 2008.1 was a little unpredictable at times | Dec 06 08:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but it does a complex task | Dec 06 08:48 |
| schestowitz | many at once in fact | Dec 06 08:48 |
| schestowitz | kwin restricts them | Dec 06 08:48 |
| schestowitz | panel in qt | Dec 06 08:48 |
| schestowitz | kontrol [sic] centre/system settings | Dec 06 08:48 |
| MinceR | i know, but i'd rather have a stable window manager than a complex one | Dec 06 08:49 |
| schestowitz | And it also ensures onflicts are resolved on the fly | Dec 06 08:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yup | Dec 06 08:49 |
| MinceR | if i wanted complexity for its own sake, i'd use winblows | Dec 06 08:49 |
| schestowitz | But it was before kwin4 got solid | Dec 06 08:49 |
| MinceR | kwin4 is a connect4 clone, a game :> | Dec 06 08:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you do... at work :-p | Dec 06 08:49 |
| MinceR | not by my own choice, though | Dec 06 08:49 |
| schestowitz | I know | Dec 06 08:49 |
| MinceR | only because my client fails IT forever | Dec 06 08:50 |
| MinceR | and winblows does fuck up all the time at work | Dec 06 08:53 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Dec 06 08:56 |
| MinceR | well, its window management is a complete failure, for example | Dec 06 08:57 |
| MinceR | i've installed VirtuaWin to add virtual desktops, but that doesn't help in all cases | Dec 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | how about dragging windows? | Dec 06 08:58 |
| MinceR | for example if something stops responding (which happens often), its window can't be moved | Dec 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | That too is impossible | Dec 06 08:58 |
| MinceR | last time i opened something in excel and excel decided that its main window is a toolbar window | Dec 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | Just working with more than one window is like uber-super-ultra-geek idea | Dec 06 08:58 |
| schestowitz | And forget about mass pasting things | Dec 06 08:59 |
| MinceR | (tiny titlebar, no minimize, no maximize, only close) | Dec 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | No klipper | Dec 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Not even highlight to put in buffer | Dec 06 08:59 |
| MinceR | also, m$ office is confused about whether it wants an application-based windowing model or a document-based one | Dec 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | I used it for 1.5 hours in October | Dec 06 08:59 |
| MinceR | so i installed openoffice | Dec 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | XP not on my machine | Dec 06 08:59 |
| MinceR | i don't dare close the lid because sometimes it turns off the display until reboot | Dec 06 08:59 |
| schestowitz | ha | Dec 06 08:59 |
| MinceR | sometimes it doesn't recognize the usb mouse if i plug it in | Dec 06 09:00 |
| MinceR | the crapware they heap on it doesn't help either | Dec 06 09:00 |
| MinceR | for example it often does try to install programs, and it often fails | Dec 06 09:00 |
| MinceR | one of them left a "tell me where my .msi file is" window for me and i couldn't get rid of it | Dec 06 09:01 |
| MinceR | then i got two more of those | Dec 06 09:01 |
| MinceR | it also ate a GB of space on c: in a month | Dec 06 09:01 |
| MinceR | and started complaining that it ran out of space | Dec 06 09:01 |
| MinceR | i couldn't find out what took all that space | Dec 06 09:01 |
| MinceR | the wifi supplicant app they've installed is also crap | Dec 06 09:02 |
| MinceR | if it sees the virtual network interface of virtualbox, it goes "oh, we've got wired network!" and shuts off wifi | Dec 06 09:02 |
| MinceR | this is of course not user-configurable | Dec 06 09:02 |
| MinceR | some registry hack can convince it that no, that's not an internet connection | Dec 06 09:02 |
| MinceR | "windows is ready for the desktop", my ass | Dec 06 09:03 |
| MinceR | needless to say, the file system is useless | Dec 06 09:03 |
| MinceR | once it just decided a file is in use and i couldn't even move it | Dec 06 09:03 |
| MinceR | sharing folders on the network just doesn't work | Dec 06 09:04 |
| MinceR | it tells me it's shared, but nobody else sees that share | Dec 06 09:04 |
| MinceR | once it randomly decided that (even though system sounds are turned off) when something happens it will emit a loud pc speaker beep | Dec 06 09:05 |
| MinceR | didn't do that before | Dec 06 09:05 |
| MinceR | and of course there are no proper developer tools for it | Dec 06 09:06 |
| MinceR | not even strace | Dec 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | [09:02] <MinceR> if it sees the virtual network interface of virtualbox, it goes "oh, we've got wired network!" and shuts off wifi | Dec 06 09:06 |
| MinceR | there's StraceNT, but it's useless | Dec 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Dec 06 09:06 |
| MinceR | StraceNT makes my program crash with std::bad_alloc | Dec 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | probably attempt to unixify windows | Dec 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | They are always trashy | Dec 06 09:06 |
| schestowitz | Use the real thing | Dec 06 09:07 |
| MinceR | and Process Monitor just makes everything vague, so i can't tell if my program managed to load a dll or not | Dec 06 09:07 |
| MinceR | (it only shows the LoadImage syscall and the docs don't tell me what happens if DllMain fails) | Dec 06 09:07 |
| schestowitz | I hadn't touched cygwin after I got all my ssh -X sorted out around 2001 | Dec 06 09:07 |
| MinceR | i've wasted 2 days on diagnosing a dll problem because m$ couldn't even bother to steal a proper dynamic loader | Dec 06 09:08 |
| schestowitz | bsd :-) | Dec 06 09:08 |
| schestowitz | BaStanrDised by Microsoft | Dec 06 09:09 |
| MinceR | they didn't even steal one from bsd | Dec 06 09:09 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Library_%28computing%29#Shared_libraries | Dec 06 09:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KB | Dec 06 09:09 |
| schestowitz | [without the n] | Dec 06 09:09 |
| MinceR | "by using position dependent code as in Windows and OS/2. These systems make sure, by various tricks like pre-mapping the address space and reserving slots for each DLL, that code has a great probability of being shared. Windows DLLs are not shared libraries in the Unix sense." | Dec 06 09:09 |
| MinceR | this is a pathetic hack | Dec 06 09:09 |
| schestowitz | Why does Microsoft call its binaries after DELL ;p | Dec 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | dll rhymes with hell and fail | Dec 06 09:10 |
| MinceR | they couldn't call them "shared libraries" or "shared objects" because they fucking aren't shared | Dec 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | illegal for them to be shared | Dec 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | EULAs and all | Dec 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | Intel onlu | Dec 06 09:10 |
| schestowitz | *y | Dec 06 09:10 |
| MinceR | i also gave chrome a try after firefox tricked me into installing some malware from mcafee or something like that | Dec 06 09:18 |
| MinceR | i went back when i realized how difficult google made adding search engines | Dec 06 09:18 |
| MinceR | it imported DDG just fine, but adding scroogle would have been an ordeal | Dec 06 09:19 |
| MinceR | while firefox offers to add it right in the search bar | Dec 06 09:19 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe not for scroogle, but it was easy anyway | Dec 06 09:19 |
| MinceR | someone should make a decent browser already | Dec 06 09:20 |
| schestowitz | mcafee - what do they do? :-) | Dec 06 09:33 |
| schestowitz | Yo dawn, I herd mcafee does some backup soft wear for LUNIX | Dec 06 09:33 |
| schestowitz | *dawg | Dec 06 09:34 |
| schestowitz | as for browser, I use just konqueror at work | Dec 06 09:34 |
| MinceR | it was on the winblows host | Dec 06 09:42 |
| MinceR | firefox can't push malware so easily on GNU/Linux | Dec 06 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Can it ever? | Dec 06 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Bar ADOBETRASH? | Dec 06 09:46 |
| MinceR | it could install as user or they could force dependencies or preinstall/postinstall stuff | Dec 06 09:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux is still evolving. | Dec 06 10:28 |
| oiaohm | As Linux gets more desktop usage its growing fanotify. | Dec 06 10:28 |
| oiaohm | So file monitoring is basically sorted out. | Dec 06 10:28 |
| oiaohm | Now we just need more generic sandboxing and Linux will step up again. | Dec 06 10:29 |
| oiaohm | Really its going to be interesting to watch thing Google just aquired the biggest DRM system provider. | Dec 06 10:29 |
| MinceR | we weren't discussing on-access AV crap, we were discussing web browsers pushing malware. | Dec 06 10:29 |
| oiaohm | I have been in the secuirty mailing list of Linux. | Dec 06 10:30 |
| MinceR | as in firefox bringing up a mozilla web page after upgrade telling you "oh, your Trash is outdated and that's dangerous! update here!" | Dec 06 10:30 |
| MinceR | and then the link leads to an online installer with a hidden, checked checkbox in a sidebar saying "oh, i'd also like the latest crap from McAffe, yes please!" | Dec 06 10:31 |
| MinceR | (Affe means monkey in german) | Dec 06 10:31 |
| oiaohm | Exactly what reason whould you need McAffe on a browser if you had proper sandboxing. | Dec 06 10:33 |
| MinceR | i didn't need it anywhere, ever | Dec 06 10:33 |
| MinceR | mozilla is pushing it | Dec 06 10:33 |
| oiaohm | From what I have seen mozilla is not. | Dec 06 10:34 |
| MinceR | then you have seen it wrong | Dec 06 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Is it in a default install? MinceR | Dec 06 10:35 |
| MinceR | their browser bringing up a page from their site, it's under their control what they link to from there | Dec 06 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Or is it using the upgrade extention feature. | Dec 06 10:36 |
| MinceR | afaik firefox brings up the same page for upgrades, regardless of how it was installed | Dec 06 10:36 |
| MinceR | on winblows | Dec 06 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Do you know what the upgrade extention feature is. | Dec 06 10:37 |
| MinceR | they could have told adobe "we won't link to your page as long as it has tricky shit trying to foist malware on users, remove it or we don't have a deal" | Dec 06 10:37 |
| MinceR | they didn't | Dec 06 10:37 |
| MinceR | i don't know and i don't really care | Dec 06 10:37 |
| oiaohm | When coding a extention for firefox you can code trigger a particular block of code when upgrade event happens. | Dec 06 10:37 |
| oiaohm | So displaying extra update items. | Dec 06 10:38 |
| MinceR | yet the page that popped up was on one of the mozilla domains | Dec 06 10:38 |
| MinceR | also, it isn't an extension, it's a plug-in | Dec 06 10:38 |
| oiaohm | Seen greese monkey. | Dec 06 10:38 |
| MinceR | yes, greasemonkey is an extension. flash is not. | Dec 06 10:39 |
| oiaohm | plugin in firefox can be installed two ways. | Dec 06 10:39 |
| oiaohm | One as a extention with extention code wrappers and one as a plugin. | Dec 06 10:39 |
| oiaohm | mcaffe is using the first. | Dec 06 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Notice the recent call from mozilla to plugin makers not to do evil. | Dec 06 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Some of what Mcaffe is doing is highly deceptive. | Dec 06 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Thinking that due to extention update feature they could have opened up there own page. | Dec 06 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Yes anti-virus companies are as bad or worse than virus makers for deceptive pracs. MinceR | Dec 06 10:41 |
| oiaohm | My question is still key was it a clean install of firefox or was is a Mcaffe tainted version. MinceR | Dec 06 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Tainted version=McAffe you deceptive buggers and Mozilla please improve secuirty. Clean install=What the hell you doing Mozilla | Dec 06 10:45 |
| MinceR | i got it from mozilla.com | Dec 06 10:47 |
| MinceR | obviously i'm not going to go to mcafee for a firefox installation package | Dec 06 10:48 |
| oiaohm | Do you have the link. | Dec 06 10:49 |
| MinceR | nope | Dec 06 10:49 |
| oiaohm | Really I would like to make the display is truely coming from mozilla.com | Dec 06 10:50 |
| oiaohm | One I checked out 8 months ago Mcaffe was basically greasemonkeying the page with there own hidden extention. | Dec 06 10:51 |
| oiaohm | Basically lets be sure we are blaming the right parties the right ways. MinceR | Dec 06 10:52 |
| MinceR | i have no screenshot of that page, afaict | Dec 06 11:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Its really checking the link. | Dec 06 12:03 |
| oiaohm | But again screenshot would have given that. | Dec 06 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie link is more compact on bandwidth. | Dec 06 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Nice POL developers are working out how to be compadible with wine debuging patterns. | Dec 06 12:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/59261571#notice-59863198 "@schestowitz i'm a former gnome/compiz user and !kwin today feels much more stable, solid and organized." | Dec 06 13:43 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: not surprised | Dec 06 14:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's not hard to find | Dec 06 14:31 |
| schestowitz | what isn't? | Dec 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | BTW... | Dec 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | re wikileaks | Dec 06 14:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: referring to your ping earlier | Dec 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | You said I was to optimistic, but .ch gave wl a home | Dec 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | FOR NOW | Dec 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Dec 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Falagan or whatever he's called has got trouble. | Dec 06 14:32 |
| schestowitz | "@laurelrusswurm] Vancouver Sun ⇒Complaint filed over call to assassinate !WikiLeaks founder http://ur1.ca/2ihib<< Yes!! #cablegate" | Dec 06 14:32 |
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| FurnaceBoy | yeah saw that | Dec 06 14:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | again, you're more optimistic than i am. | Dec 06 14:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | in this climate could be thrown out | Dec 06 14:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Canada has changed. | Dec 06 14:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the same forces that elevated palin have been working here as well -- e.g. TV | Dec 06 14:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: are are starting to elect the dangerous and the stupid | Dec 06 14:38 |
| schestowitz | The mobester | Dec 06 14:39 |
| schestowitz | TEA party and stuff... | Dec 06 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Giving a bad name to tea :-) | Dec 06 14:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/11786533866573824 "♺ {@schestowitz @skhaen}Twitter Appears to Censor #Wikileaks -Related Trends http://ur1.ca/2icld |Trend ok when it's "bad" #Iran…but not US?" | Dec 06 14:44 |
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| schestowitz | Server load is unusual | Dec 06 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if mentioning wikileaks is asking for traffic | Dec 06 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I can't reach the server | Dec 06 17:55 |
| schestowitz | And I hope they don't knock over the cache | Dec 06 17:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: remember there has been no accountability for g20 assaults here. | Dec 06 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: or the Ottawa assault on the young woman | Dec 06 18:18 |
| schestowitz | What about Mr. Blair | Dec 06 18:18 |
| schestowitz | The Canadian one? | Dec 06 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: basically the cops are outlaws | Dec 06 18:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he apologised for lying about g20 video but has not resigned | Dec 06 18:19 |
| schestowitz | On the right side of the law :-0) | Dec 06 18:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: wait, let me find you something really scary -- | Dec 06 18:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://twitter.com/#!/oceanpark/status/11649725086310400 | Dec 06 18:21 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it helps if you're familiar with the 'Nobody' incident. | Dec 06 18:21 |
| schestowitz | I heard the word used | Dec 06 18:22 |
| schestowitz | I understood from context only | Dec 06 18:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a guy's name. there might be enough in there to get it. otherwise plenty of info elsewhere. | Dec 06 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Zeitgeist: A User-Experience Revolution? http://is.gd/iiBAV Because "Zeitgeist itself is merely a back end for indexing” !gnome ☛ !gnu ☛ !linux ☛ | Dec 06 18:31 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Zeitgeist: A User-Experience Revolution? | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 55.26 KB | Dec 06 18:31 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yeah, I figured... | Dec 06 18:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this was not an isolated incident, either. | Dec 06 18:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: people were beaten, abused, harassed, taken down violently (petite women), all over the place | Dec 06 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: something is deeply rotten in canadian policing. and they kill people. | Dec 06 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: a bunch of police shootings this year, and the famous taser death in vancouver. | Dec 06 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: RCMP is fucked. | Dec 06 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Ottawa police are fucked. | Dec 06 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: TO police are fucked. | Dec 06 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and we have a fucked PM, | Dec 06 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and TO just elected the equivalent of Sarah Palin as mayor. | Dec 06 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: women in detention were threatened with rape at g20. gays were segregated and singled out for abuse. | Dec 06 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: medications, phone calls, heating, and clothing were all denied. | Dec 06 18:35 |
| schestowitz | I heard | Dec 06 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: people were told not to come back to protest or they'd be mistreated again. | Dec 06 18:35 |
| schestowitz | I saw some of this too, but in YouTube only | Dec 06 18:36 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yes | Dec 06 18:36 |
| schestowitz | That's the take-home message | Dec 06 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | i didn't go to the marches where this happened, but i went to the solidarity march immediately afterwards | Dec 06 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Same with Wikileaks | Dec 06 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | where Naomi Wolf spoke | Dec 06 18:36 |
| schestowitz | People like me are reluctant to mirror | Dec 06 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: totally consistent. | Dec 06 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I don't want the rest of my site suspended for mirroring | Dec 06 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you can buy a $5/$10/month vps account and do it. | Dec 06 18:36 |
| schestowitz | They bite once | Dec 06 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: just do it separately, on a cheap vps | Dec 06 18:36 |
| schestowitz | The "lunatic dictator" strategy | Dec 06 18:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | $5/month will do it | Dec 06 18:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | anyone can do this | Dec 06 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Attacking irrationally for "Respect", like mafia DOn | Dec 06 18:37 |
| schestowitz | This gets done a lot by the US | Dec 06 18:37 |
| schestowitz | In south Asia for example | Dec 06 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Deterrence by example | Dec 06 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Israel does that too | Dec 06 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | yep | Dec 06 18:38 |
| schestowitz | By nobody does it like the US | Dec 06 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | old old technique | Dec 06 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Russia... | Dec 06 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | if ppl read books they'd know all abou tit | Dec 06 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Pretexts too | Dec 06 18:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | everything. there's nothing new here. | Dec 06 18:38 |
| schestowitz | 9/11 was pretext for Russia to invade too | Dec 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Just convenient time | Dec 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Setting bad examples | Dec 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | And every national disaster puts the leader in the "save the day" seat | Dec 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Huge opportunity to hug the masses and fight for common new fear | Dec 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | So persistent fear is a feature,not a bug | Dec 06 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Lacking fear, people start to march up the class wars | Dec 06 18:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Dec 06 18:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | exactly. | Dec 06 18:40 |
| schestowitz | [18:29] <capocani> "ICOMP is almost entirely funded - and not always wholly transparently by Microsoft" for the sole purpose of attacking Google | Dec 06 18:45 |
| schestowitz | [18:29] <capocani> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/8184065/Dark-forces-gunning-for-Google.html# | Dec 06 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Dark forces gunning for Google - Telegraph .::. Size~: 68.43 KB | Dec 06 18:45 |
| schestowitz | [18:45] <schestowitz> cthanks | Dec 06 18:45 |
| schestowitz | ha | Dec 06 18:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xd_zkMEgkI | Dec 06 19:17 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Monty Python and the Holy Grail .::. Size~: 121.44 KB | Dec 06 19:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs&feature=related | Dec 06 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - French Taunting - Monty Python and the Holy Grail .::. Size~: 132.77 KB | Dec 06 19:27 |
| schestowitz | "♺ @aniseshaw: @matness I'm a writer and comic artist, and I feel same shame w/#C32 and ACTRA. Embracing fair use only helps us!" https://twitter.com/aniseshaw/status/11876713159983104 | Dec 06 20:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Anise Shaw: @schestowitz thanks for th ... .::. Size~: 12.95 KB | Dec 06 20:56 |
| schestowitz | I'm glad to be thanked :-) | Dec 06 20:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/sri-lanka-president-arrest-war-crimes War crimes lawyers seek arrest of Sri Lankan president in Oxford | Dec 06 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: War crimes lawyers seek arrest of Sri Lankan president in Oxford | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 74.97 KB | Dec 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Nothing ever comes out of it, though | Dec 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: watch http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/zimbabwe-mugabe-white-farmers | Dec 06 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Mugabe and allies own 40% of land seized from white farmers – inquiry | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 77.55 KB | Dec 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Page accused Mugabe of crime | Dec 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | But watch who fund the coverage | Dec 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | A criminal who made the most money from crime :-) | Dec 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Ha! | Dec 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation# | Dec 06 21:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe | Mother Jones .::. Size~: 96.5 KB | Dec 06 21:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/dick-cheney-halliburton-nigeria-corruption-charges | Dec 06 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Dick Cheney to be charged in Nigeria corruption case | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 73.74 KB | Dec 06 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2010/dec/01/smithsonian-pulls-christ-video | Dec 06 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Christian activists force Smithsonian to pull Aids video from show | Art and design | The Guardian .::. Size~: 76.42 KB | Dec 06 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yep | Dec 06 22:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: cited that a couple fo days ago on #wikileaks here | Dec 06 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I could almost guess that :-) | Dec 06 22:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | somebody asked if cables revealed any 'actual crimes' | Dec 06 22:35 |
| schestowitz | "crime" usually refers to something poor do | Dec 06 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Tell him/her it shows a lot of whitecollar crimwe | Dec 06 22:41 |
| schestowitz | WHICH CAN cost society at large (oops. CAPS lock) a lot more money | Dec 06 22:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/11892968025759745 "Do you have cite for that? I haven't seen anything to suggest they have more than 1000 cables." | Dec 06 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / SrinivasaKettenbruch: @schestowitz Do you have c ... .::. Size~: 13 KB | Dec 06 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I saw that | Dec 06 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Glyn's link somewhat | Dec 06 22:42 |
| schestowitz | *somewhre | Dec 06 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the Guardian interview | Dec 06 22:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/11893582768115712 "He has done that already, but we need full release anyway, short of anything happening to Julian." | Dec 06 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / SrinivasaKettenbruch: @schestowitz He has done t ... .::. Size~: 13.01 KB | Dec 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | ah | Dec 06 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, i mean the INsurance stuff. i'm just concerned that it doesn't contain enough stuff | Dec 06 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | he did this before the war files release too | Dec 06 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | also, a lot depends on the conditions triggering it | Dec 06 22:52 |
| schestowitz | iT PUTS P ahhhhhh... | Dec 06 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | i was thinking about that last night | Dec 06 22:52 |
| schestowitz | CAPS lock | Dec 06 22:52 |
| schestowitz | It puts pressure on those who want to harm him | Dec 06 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | if u were in his shoes, what conditions would you set? | Dec 06 22:52 |
| schestowitz | They know they can't kill submissions with him | Dec 06 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | clearly has to be short of assassination. | Dec 06 22:53 |
| schestowitz | it's like Anonymous | Dec 06 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | incarceration would be enough , but for what period? | Dec 06 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | 3 months? 6 months? | Dec 06 22:53 |
| schestowitz | He also gets new stuff like bank leaks | Dec 06 22:53 |
| schestowitz | That's why the site needs to eb back online | Dec 06 22:53 |
| schestowitz | They delegitimise the source | Dec 06 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Now it's like it's almost seized | Dec 06 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Almost | Dec 06 22:54 |
| schestowitz | So you don't wanna leave trails there as a leaker | Dec 06 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Mission Accomplished? | Dec 06 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | a guy on #wikileaks discovered that his route to the old IP went through a company called PSI , which is linked to SAIC | Dec 06 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/03/spyagency200703 | Dec 06 22:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Washington's $8 Billion Shadow | Politics | Vanity Fair .::. Size~: 92.37 KB | Dec 06 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.psilimited.com/ | Dec 06 22:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: International Human Resource & Organisation Development Consultancy UK - Global Leadership & Talent Development .::. Size~: 8.54 KB | Dec 06 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | my route doesn't, and yours wouldn't | Dec 06 22:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | he said it spent some time being routed via PSI | Dec 06 22:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | i suggested he check with other americans | Dec 06 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Dec 06 23:02 |
| schestowitz | GOogle has some former Spooks too | Dec 06 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Like Cuts | Dec 06 23:03 |
| schestowitz | And lots of packets pass vIa the g | Dec 06 23:03 |
| schestowitz | DIDN'T KNOW 'BOUT THSI ONE: Mention of the Gary McKinnon extradition case in one of the leaked US Embassy Diplomatic Cables available via Wikileaks.org | Dec 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.freegary.org.uk/ | Dec 06 23:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Free Gary McKinnon - or at least try him in the UK .::. Size~: 1.21 KB | Dec 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz | *THIS | Dec 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz | ARGHHH | Dec 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Lousy keyboard!!!!!!!!!!!111 | Dec 06 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. "psst: it's an easy typo to make ... but try to be careful not to leave the "r" out of Bradley http://identi.ca/notice/59894820 :" | Dec 06 23:31 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 06-Dec-10 23:16:19 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.57 KB | Dec 06 23:31 |
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