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schestowitzYupDec 11 00:22
schestowitzI see him as a victimDec 11 00:22
schestowitzTHey don't get paid to advertise GatesDec 11 00:22
schestowitzOr MonsantoDec 11 00:22
schestowitzTHis man was deceived, and a deception that's well paid for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_SandersDec 11 00:23
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 160.05 KBDec 11 00:23
schestowitzWatch the earlier part of his address for todayDec 11 00:23
schestowitzI kid you not, I thought to myself "this guy is so getting shot when he leaves the house"Dec 11 00:23
schestowitzHe threw the system upside downDec 11 00:24
schestowitzCalling those who are whitecollar criminals what they areDec 11 00:24
schestowitzIt's never done in the house, not that I've seen anywayDec 11 00:24
schestowitzAnd he'll soon be quoted for it, watch Monday's/weekend papersDec 11 00:24
schestowitzHe called for splitting of the 4 banksDec 11 00:25
schestowitzWhose combined GDP IIRC equals HALF the GDP of the USDec 11 00:25
schestowitzAfter BenBer was forced to talk about those 9 trillion in moved pilesDec 11 00:25
schestowitzAnyway, gnDec 11 00:25
FurnaceBoyniteDec 11 00:35
FurnaceBoyyeah Fox will be calling for his assassinationDec 11 00:35
FurnaceBoyi suppose they deploy drones inside the USDec 11 00:35
FurnaceBoywhy not?Dec 11 00:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: bot patches doneDec 11 04:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: supports twitter, identi.ca urls, and also other improvements -- e.g. now archives non-html urls, and twitter/identi.ca statusesDec 11 04:25
FurnaceBoy(if archiving is turned on)Dec 11 04:25
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schestowitzWhat's this guy on about? No context. https://identi.ca/notice/60213785 "So you have no frame of reference, @schestowitz. You're like a child who wanders in in the middle of a movie..."Dec 11 07:14
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Walter Sobchak (sobchak)'s status on Saturday, 11-Dec-10 03:59:58 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.22 KBDec 11 07:14
FurnaceBoyha, i saw that.Dec 11 07:23
FurnaceBoybtw, the bot is practically done.Dec 11 07:23
FurnaceBoyi could give you a diff...Dec 11 07:24
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: cool!Dec 11 07:39
qu1j0t3so i'll try to figure out how to give you a suitable patchDec 11 08:16
qu1j0t3it may not apply well if you have a lot of changesDec 11 08:16
qu1j0t3in your versionDec 11 08:16
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schestowitzI haave only few localise changesDec 11 08:43
schestowitzLocalisedDec 11 08:43
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schestowitzAgain lacking context: https://identi.ca/notice/60224621Dec 11 09:22
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Walter Sobchak (sobchak)'s status on Saturday, 11-Dec-10 09:00:04 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.33 KBDec 11 09:22
schestowitz"@schestowitz, Let me tell you something else. I've seen a lot of spinals, dude and this guy is a fake. A #fucking ☛ goldbricker."Dec 11 09:22
schestowitzOh, I see...Dec 11 09:22
schestowitzThe speech. I can't see the context. Which item is thisreferencng?Dec 11 09:23
schestowitzMinceR: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/ejvem/wtf_techrights/Dec 11 09:31
TechrightsBot-scTitle: WTF, Techrights? : linux .::. Size~: 43.58 KBDec 11 09:31
MinceRyou're giving that post more exposure than they are :>Dec 11 09:33
schestowitzI knowDec 11 09:37
schestowitzit says "Deleted"Dec 11 09:37
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/ioerrorDec 11 09:40
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Jacob Appelbaum (ioerror) on Twitter .::. Size~: 53.66 KBDec 11 09:40
schestowitzWLDec 11 09:40
schestowitzTheOnion: "FOSS, focus, philosophy: my blog is *not* an organ of the open source community, which I never implied to speak for."Dec 11 09:44
schestowitzHahaDec 11 09:44
schestowitzwhat a load of rubbish, just look at what Dana wroteDec 11 09:44
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/12269809102225410 "@jwildeboer I've made a good faith effort to avoid confusion and that doesn't justify a #fail tag. A blog can be named after its core topic."Dec 11 09:50
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / Florian Mueller: @jwildeboer I've made a go ... .::. Size~: 9.61 KBDec 11 09:50
schestowitzLOLDec 11 09:50
schestowitzYes, pretending to be "FOSS fan"Dec 11 09:50
schestowitzWhile trashing FOSS and advocating patentsDec 11 09:51
schestowitzWhat a **********************Dec 11 09:51
schestowitz[09:59] <tessier_> There was recently a mandatory wordpress security update. Do you keep up on that stuff and keep your wordpress up to date?Dec 11 10:02
schestowitz[10:02] <schestowitz> yes, on the same dateDec 11 10:03
schestowitz[10:02] <schestowitz> I always patch ASAP :-)Dec 11 10:03
schestowitzDec 11 10:03
schestowitz[10:02] <tessier_> Cool.Dec 11 10:03
schestowitz"Truth or treason" vDec 11 10:11
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/12894707558383617Dec 11 10:11
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / FFII e.V.: Truth or treason .::. Size~: 12.18 KBDec 11 10:11
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/GsAKg.pngDec 11 10:44
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 301 Moved Permantenly .::. Size~: 0 KBDec 11 10:44
schestowitzAddedDec 11 11:06
schestowitzWhao.Dec 11 11:14
schestowitzI didn't realise there was a whole thread about Mono... http://identi.ca/conversation/59480051Dec 11 11:14
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 147.86 KBDec 11 11:14
schestowitzI though it was just a few rude messages here and thereDec 11 11:14
schestowitz*thoughtDec 11 11:14
oiaohmIf you read that thread there are a lot there hating mono on techical grounds ie its slow.Dec 11 11:29
schestowitzThat tooDec 11 11:29
schestowitzBut it's not grounds for exclusionDec 11 11:29
oiaohmReally in a lot of ways that alone is.Dec 11 11:30
oiaohmDo you want to put the best foot forwards or not.Dec 11 11:30
oiaohmOption of two programs that do the same thing.  1 faster than the other.Dec 11 11:30
oiaohmThe faster one should be provided right?Dec 11 11:30
oiaohmThere many cases with Ubuntu where faster program exists doing the same job but the mono program is put forwards.Dec 11 11:31
oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/12/operation-payback-changes-course-may-be-fizzling-out.ars  Looks like annoymous might be losing this battle.  schestowitzDec 11 11:37
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Operation: Payback changes course, may be fizzling out .::. Size~: 31.44 KBDec 11 11:37
schestowitzI don't support themDec 11 11:39
oiaohmNeither did I.Dec 11 11:40
oiaohmBut I find the fact that as soon as some of there servers come on line they get hit by a ddos attack myself worring.Dec 11 11:40
oiaohmie who is attacking them.Dec 11 11:40
schestowitzState-sponsored online terrorism?Dec 11 11:41
schestowitz:-)Dec 11 11:41
oiaohmReally the USA gov could have just taken there DNS off line.Dec 11 11:42
oiaohmUnless its a case they don;t want to admit what they are doing.Dec 11 11:43
oiaohmI really think the first thing Annoymous should be focusing on now is who attacked them.Dec 11 11:43
oiaohmIt has to be someone with some balls you normally don't attack a rouge group.Dec 11 11:43
schestowitzHmm...Dec 11 11:55
schestowitzthey'd use mirrorsDec 11 11:56
schestowitzMaybe lessons learned from wikileaks.org?Dec 11 11:56
oiaohmReally that is something we have to try to get developed for techrights of important content.   schestowitzDec 11 12:00
schestowitzLeaksDec 11 12:02
schestowitzFurnaceBoy offers to make Canadian mirrorDec 11 12:02
schestowitzWe have .org and .com addressDec 11 12:02
schestowitzBoth US-controlledDec 11 12:03
schestowitz.org.uk is also US controlled (puppet govt. in the UK)Dec 11 12:03
oiaohmReally .org.uk you would have a better chance with.  schestowitz  Since that would have to be argued in your own country.Dec 11 12:04
oiaohmWhere .org that is pure USA would be fully out side your control.Dec 11 12:04
schestowitzoiaohm: but we don't publish much sensitive stuffDec 11 12:09
oiaohmschestowitz: Not often at leastDec 11 12:11
schestowitzTrueDec 11 12:12
schestowitzWell, anyway, I keep nightly backups hereDec 11 12:12
oiaohmschestowitz: better to have a plan and not need it then have a day we help and we don't have it worked out.Dec 11 12:12
schestowitzSo I could upload elsewhere if neededDec 11 12:12
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/GUH9m.pngDec 11 12:45
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/BPGlobalPR/statuses/13002836157669376 "Nerd alert! LOL. RT @Anon_Operations: Anonymous is coming for you, @BPGlobalPR. WikiLeaks reveals, we retaliate."Dec 11 13:11
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter .::. Size~: 42.88 KBDec 11 13:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/13572808697192448   "if you keep on doing it, maybe.." https://twitter.com/#!/glynmoody/status/13572808697192448Dec 11 13:19
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TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter .::. Size~: 42.5 KBDec 11 13:19
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY081e7MbwUDec 11 13:37
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/60239650 "and can the ISP be disconnected for its transparent web cache?"Dec 11 16:57
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Alexandre Oliva (lxoliva)'s status on Saturday, 11-Dec-10 15:48:43 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.33 KBDec 11 16:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: http://twitter.com/#!/qu1j0t3/status/13631834881527808Dec 11 17:02
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter .::. Size~: 42.01 KBDec 11 17:02
FurnaceBoyjeez I can't wait for the bot 2 b updated.Dec 11 17:03
FurnaceBoy:)Dec 11 17:03
schestowitzm tooDec 11 17:11
schestowitzme tooDec 11 17:11
schestowitzI started denting quite heavily this monthDec 11 17:11
schestowitzJust reading replies takes hoursDec 11 17:11
MinceRhttp://images.4chan.org/an/src/1292060343194.jpgDec 11 17:15
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: maybe an irc interface to that would help :)Dec 11 17:16
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.salon.com/entertainment/comics/cartoon_saturday/2010/12/11/cartoon_saturday_tsa_resolutions_open2010Dec 11 17:17
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Cartoon Saturday: Early resolutions - Cartoon Saturday - Salon.com .::. Size~: 52.29 KBDec 11 17:17
schestowitzSigh Brandon...Dec 11 17:18
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ender2070/status/13638305451081728Dec 11 17:18
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / Brandon Lozza: @schestowitz your correct .::. Size~: 12.89 KBDec 11 17:18
schestowitz"your correct" re "Progessive=> "Communist"; Regulation=> "Government Waste""Dec 11 17:18
MinceRfunny, our commies call themselves "progressive" tooDec 11 17:19
MinceRinteresting idea of "progress", heading back into the kind of dictatorship we came fromDec 11 17:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/13635233974845440 "because the state has the monopoly on using violence ... for very good reasons. Up to citizens to check and protest."Dec 11 17:19
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MinceR(and sadly, that's exactly what the nazis are doing now)Dec 11 17:20
schestowitzHeh -> "@schestowitz @qu1j0t3 Manning an Okie? Wow. That makes up for Inhofe and Coburn." https://twitter.com/clmerle/status/13633071349768192Dec 11 17:21
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / Chris Merle: .@schestowitz @qu1j0t3 Man ... .::. Size~: 13.08 KBDec 11 17:21
MinceRlack of context makes twitter uselessDec 11 17:21
gnufreexYeah, you have to chase what who said.Dec 11 17:22
gnufreexAnd it is propriatary so nobody can add that feature :-)Dec 11 17:22
schestowitzantifeatures-yesDec 11 17:23
schestowitzthrottlingDec 11 17:23
schestowitzFunny how Mono trolls try to heckle (with pings) for fighting the good fight re cablegateDec 11 17:24
schestowitzThat too is bad in their eyesDec 11 17:24
schestowitzThe Shacklites :-)Dec 11 17:24
gnufreexI can bet I was right about MSFT trying to dilute Red Hat trademark. Grannies are constantly first news http://www.google.com/search?q=Red+Hat&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=Red+Hat&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivunl&source=univ&tbs=nws:1&tbo=u&psj=1&ei=zaoDTZHXEsO94gbXmPXNCg&sa=X&oi=news_group&ct=title&resnum=5&ved=0CGgQqAIwBA&fp=7a5ff6e4754518c3Dec 11 17:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Red Hat - Google Search .::. Size~: 93.79 KBDec 11 17:24
schestowitzgnufreex: maybe, but Red Hat has other rivalsDec 11 17:24
gnufreexMaybe someone else.Dec 11 17:25
MinceRschestowitz: whose side are the monomaniacs on?Dec 11 17:25
gnufreexMicrosoft.Dec 11 17:25
gnufreexThe church of .NETDec 11 17:25
MinceRi mean regarding wikileaks vs fascistsDec 11 17:25
schestowitzIt's not just .NETDec 11 17:25
gnufreexYeah, but .NET is their religion.Dec 11 17:26
gnufreexMinceR: I thinks Monsters are on fascists sideDec 11 17:27
gnufreexIf assange comes out of prison, he might leak something about De IcazaDec 11 17:27
gnufreexOr other MonstersDec 11 17:27
gnufreexAnd discredit them even moreDec 11 17:27
gnufreex:-)Dec 11 17:27
MinceRschestowitz: what did the mononucleotics' pings contain?Dec 11 17:28
MinceRgnufreex: that's my expectation as wellDec 11 17:28
FurnaceBoyMinceR: twitter does have threading. the new UI reveals that much better than the old one did.Dec 11 17:29
FurnaceBoybut still not quite as clearly as identi.caDec 11 17:29
MinceRFurnaceBoy: how do i find a given tweet in the new UI?Dec 11 17:29
MinceR(how do i get to the new UI anyway?)Dec 11 17:29
FurnaceBoysearchDec 11 17:30
FurnaceBoythere's a bar at the top of your screen, if you're still using the old uiDec 11 17:30
FurnaceBoythe new ui is quite differentDec 11 17:30
MinceRstill way behind Status.Net, but i'll try that thenDec 11 17:30
schestowitzIt brings with this stack Silver Lie (which _even Microsoft abandon)Dec 11 17:30
schestowitz.NET is just an umbrellaDec 11 17:30
FurnaceBoythe new twitter ui is more like riding a rodeo bull, it makes for fast and furious conversationsDec 11 17:30
MinceRUmbrella Corporation? :>Dec 11 17:30
schestowitzFrom the "developer developer developer developer developer developer" speech daysDec 11 17:30
FurnaceBoyi am not 100% approving, but it works pretty wellDec 11 17:30
schestowitz*deelopersDec 11 17:30
schestowitzMinceR: it doesn't matter what they sayDec 11 17:31
schestowitzThey are trollsDec 11 17:31
MinceRwell, even their search failsDec 11 17:31
schestowitzBut they can get past blocks this wayDec 11 17:31
FurnaceBoygnufreex: wikileaks continues without assange, anyone can leak MS secrets nowDec 11 17:31
MinceRschestowitz: how?Dec 11 17:31
FurnaceBoygnufreex: but of course their resources are fully stretched with cables for the foreseeableDec 11 17:31
MinceRFurnaceBoy: i think the point is that the fascists are trying to intimidate other leakers (those who operate wikileaks and others) into not leakingDec 11 17:32
schestowitzMinceR: triggering keywords like techrightsDec 11 17:32
FurnaceBoyMinceR: of courseDec 11 17:32
MinceRschestowitz: icDec 11 17:32
schestowitzSome pages I read while logged offDec 11 17:32
schestowitzlike when I use RSSDec 11 17:32
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: I know, it was joke.Dec 11 17:32
FurnaceBoygnufreex: oh :)Dec 11 17:32
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: some Iceland chap took commander hatDec 11 17:32
schestowitzBut he should be more secretiveDec 11 17:32
schestowitzAssange was quiet for yearsDec 11 17:32
schestowitzThen he started acquiring celeb statusDec 11 17:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: JA had to plan a network that US govt couldn't destroy. I am not sure he succeeded, as you know.Dec 11 17:33
schestowitzAnd this made his character analogous... somewhat... a vector for discrediting the whole groupDec 11 17:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: JA proves what we already know, that celebrities are just a distraction from what really happens. Works for the other side, too:)Dec 11 17:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: right, but ppl who obsess with JA are like ppl who obsess with Obama: Dupes. Victims of the trick.Dec 11 17:33
MinceRif a large enough part of the population had a clue (at least in cities), it would be possible to build mesh networks governments have no control overDec 11 17:34
schestowitzI'd rather present site content for what it is, some people omit name tooDec 11 17:34
schestowitzLike author namesDec 11 17:34
FurnaceBoyMinceR: just make it illegal to own or operate wifi.Dec 11 17:34
schestowitzMinceR: good like with THATDec 11 17:34
MinceRFurnaceBoy: it would hurt them tooDec 11 17:34
FurnaceBoyMinceR: all this stuff has been tried before against fascists. there's no silver bullet. ever.Dec 11 17:34
MinceRand part of it could be wiredDec 11 17:34
schestowitzNowadays you can't even make your own village/house without permitDec 11 17:34
MinceRthis tech level didn't exist beforeDec 11 17:34
FurnaceBoyahaahahahahahhahaDec 11 17:34
FurnaceBoyyes it did.Dec 11 17:35
MinceRthough maybe this is why red china banned wifiDec 11 17:35
FurnaceBoyit'snot about technology.Dec 11 17:35
MinceRpart of it is about technologyDec 11 17:35
gnufreexAre DDoS attacks on banks still going?Dec 11 17:35
FurnaceBoytechnology is actually the greatest risk to usDec 11 17:35
MinceRthey were?Dec 11 17:35
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMxQihdXndEDec 11 17:36
FurnaceBoyit makes it very easy to shut down people who are fighting the systemDec 11 17:36
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXdXiz_ux4o&feature=channelDec 11 17:36
TechrightsBot-scTitle:     YouTube        - Madison County Evicting 72 Year Old Man from 38 Acres   .::. Size~: 150.45 KBDec 11 17:36
gnufreexMinceR: I think they were, or so I heardDec 11 17:36
schestowitzJust new examples ^Dec 11 17:36
FurnaceBoyMinceR: watch what happens to the "1000" mirrors. very closely.Dec 11 17:36
MinceRFurnaceBoy: it also makes it very easy to disseminate information anonymouslyDec 11 17:36
FurnaceBoyMinceR: it's not enoughDec 11 17:36
MinceRFurnaceBoy: they didn't even start using stuff like freenet and tor hidden servicesDec 11 17:36
FurnaceBoynone of these services are silver bullets.Dec 11 17:37
FurnaceBoyyou forget, all these people can be attacked in the real world, there's no way to not leave a trace.Dec 11 17:37
MinceRso if they're not a silver bullet then they don't help?Dec 11 17:37
FurnaceBoydo you really think the current WL infra is safe from US govt (which operates outside the law)?Dec 11 17:37
schestowitzISn't WL still distributed?Dec 11 17:38
schestowitzThey had infiltrat0rsDec 11 17:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: why would that help?Dec 11 17:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: exactly.Dec 11 17:38
schestowitzJUlian said they found someDec 11 17:38
FurnaceBoythat's what JA spent 10 years thinking about.Dec 11 17:38
FurnaceBoyyou can't eliminate those risks.Dec 11 17:38
schestowitzProbably mapping who to take to the back for a headshotDec 11 17:38
FurnaceBoylook at what just occurred: CIA set up a phoony mirror.Dec 11 17:38
FurnaceBoyphony*Dec 11 17:38
schestowitz[partly sarcastic BTW^]Dec 11 17:39
FurnaceBoya honeypot.Dec 11 17:39
FurnaceBoyJA spent years modelling these threats. I doubt he got them all.Dec 11 17:39
MinceRFurnaceBoy: the current infrastructure is a lot more centralized than it could beDec 11 17:39
FurnaceBoyMinceR: right. they weren't prepared for full-on war.Dec 11 17:39
MinceRalso, perhaps JA didn't expect these european states to be as fascistic as they turned out to beDec 11 17:39
FurnaceBoyand versus US, they should have known it would be.Dec 11 17:39
FurnaceBoyi think he was under pressure and released prematurely.Dec 11 17:39
FurnaceBoythese are very complicated threats.Dec 11 17:40
FurnaceBoyCIA sets up a mirror using WL form. Hard to analyse that threat completely.Dec 11 17:40
FurnaceBoyhow many of the "1000" are CIA or other governments?Dec 11 17:41
FurnaceBoyif you were Russian govt, wouldn't you want to set up a mirror, watch what citizens use it?Dec 11 17:41
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/60243983 "@patrickniedzielski maybe, but people listen to @schestowitz and !techrights ☛"Dec 11 17:41
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Azuthian (azuthian)'s status on Saturday, 11-Dec-10 17:33:48 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.59 KBDec 11 17:41
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/60243861  "@patrickniedzielski nice try at smearing @schestowitz and !techrights ☛, but no one will listen to you"Dec 11 17:41
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Azuthian (azuthian)'s status on Saturday, 11-Dec-10 17:30:58 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.64 KBDec 11 17:41
schestowitzWho *IS* this?Dec 11 17:41
schestowitzDoes anyone know who Azuthian is?Dec 11 17:42
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: old ricksDec 11 17:42
FurnaceBoyso basically now we know that some of the mirrors are compromised.Dec 11 17:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes, all very old tricks.Dec 11 17:42
schestowitzThey did it before, sometimes to scare peopleDec 11 17:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: STASIDec 11 17:42
schestowitzLike script kiddies' sitesDec 11 17:42
schestowitzSome sites said "your IP was recorded or something" merely as a practical joke afterwardsDec 11 17:43
FurnaceBoyso, knowing that N mirrors are compromised, you can't safely use the mirrors.Dec 11 17:43
FurnaceBoyalso, every mirror is tagged with enough identification to reach a personDec 11 17:43
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: any URL about CIA mirroring?Dec 11 17:43
FurnaceBoyin soem jurisdictions, that means an assassination.Dec 11 17:43
schestowitzJust to be sure...Dec 11 17:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I rt'd it. but it's inevitable. if you were cia, wouldn't you?Dec 11 17:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: or any foreign govtDec 11 17:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: instant source of citizen leads.Dec 11 17:43
schestowitzgot definite proof?Dec 11 17:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: set up a few to catch citizens,Dec 11 17:44
schestowitzSee my latest dentDec 11 17:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: set up a few to sow disinfoDec 11 17:44
schestowitzThey did upload one PDF IIRCDec 11 17:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "barium meals"Dec 11 17:44
schestowitzI know someone who's an insiderDec 11 17:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: watch the barium pass through society roll up the net, find WL infraDec 11 17:44
schestowitzPretending to be among a groupDec 11 17:44
schestowitzBut not in IT...Dec 11 17:44
schestowitzAnd anyway, read yet about Mosque insiders?Dec 11 17:44
schestowitzThe FBI sends them to find radicalsDec 11 17:45
schestowitzANd then they call "paranoid" those who complain about itDec 11 17:45
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: danger for WL is poisoned wellDec 11 17:45
schestowitzIf they absorbed an insider into the teamDec 11 17:45
schestowitzIf the CIA was too late to put plantsDec 11 17:45
schestowitzThey need to just make some fake leaksDec 11 17:46
FurnaceBoyrightDec 11 17:46
schestowitzLike Pakistan didDec 11 17:46
FurnaceBoysooner or later, there's a leak in wikileaks.Dec 11 17:46
schestowitzAnd then nothing is publishableDec 11 17:46
schestowitzLibel vs US policy too risky for papersDec 11 17:46
schestowitzReputation assaultDec 11 17:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: http://twitter.com/#!/qu1j0t3/status/13652068992557056Dec 11 17:53
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FurnaceBoygahbotDec 11 17:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: so if i send u a patch...Dec 11 17:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: are any of your local mods suitable for upstream? are they only config mods? (my changes don't touch config.php)Dec 11 17:54
schestowitzjust the class iircDec 11 18:13
schestowitzI removed some features from there...Dec 11 18:15
FurnaceBoyhmDec 11 18:15
FurnaceBoyokayDec 11 18:15
schestowitzSo I think it'll be fine to just overwiteDec 11 18:15
FurnaceBoyyou may see conflictsDec 11 18:15
schestowitzSend me the fileDec 11 18:16
schestowitzIssues may come upDec 11 18:16
FurnaceBoywell if you want to just re-do your edits sureDec 11 18:16
schestowitzThen I'll mergeDec 11 18:16
FurnaceBoyokay i'll send the fileDec 11 18:16
FurnaceBoystand by...Dec 11 18:16
schestowitzsome things which crashed it (rare)Dec 11 18:16
FurnaceBoywell, you can report bugs to meDec 11 18:16
schestowitzI'll keep both filesCoolDec 11 18:16
FurnaceBoyoiaohm already mentioned some stuffDec 11 18:16
schestowitzCoolDec 11 18:16
FurnaceBoyi think i may have fixed some of the issuesDec 11 18:16
schestowitzIt seems parentlessDec 11 18:16
FurnaceBoybut i suspect there are a couple moreDec 11 18:16
FurnaceBoyokay emailingDec 11 18:17
schestowitzSo you can just take over with a forkDec 11 18:17
FurnaceBoywell he invites contributions; all he needs to do is give me access to bitbucket repoDec 11 18:17
schestowitztrmanco would not mind, I thinkDec 11 18:17
FurnaceBoythen i can push to his treeDec 11 18:17
schestowitzIf you find him in TODec 11 18:17
FurnaceBoywhich his what i want to doDec 11 18:17
FurnaceBoyis*Dec 11 18:17
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: HAHAHA i wonder if this was an intentional double negative? http://twitter.com/#!/Rasiej/status/13653169699557376Dec 11 18:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter .::. Size~: 41.45 KBDec 11 18:24
schestowitzHAHA!Dec 11 18:26
schestowitzTook me some secondsDec 11 18:26
FurnaceBoyyeah......... Freudian slip.Dec 11 18:26
schestowitzMaybe she's illiterateDec 11 18:26
schestowitzGhost-writing some sob bookDec 11 18:27
schestowitzFor politicians to citeDec 11 18:27
schestowitzWrong dilemmasDec 11 18:27
schestowitzNot class warDec 11 18:27
schestowitzUS vs restDec 11 18:27
schestowitzThe US is not a third-world nationDec 11 18:27
schestowitzIt has a lot of wealthDec 11 18:27
schestowitzIt's just its distribution that's rottenDec 11 18:27
schestowitzBut Arianna and her dinner buddies want more capital to enter the USDec 11 18:28
schestowitzThey'll 'collect'Dec 11 18:28
FurnaceBoyheh, like that'll happen.Dec 11 18:37
FurnaceBoyof course they'll never attack root causes.Dec 11 18:37
FurnaceBoyWal-Mart family possesses $86 billion (surely an underestimate?)Dec 11 18:37
FurnaceBoyfor ripping off americans (and now the world)Dec 11 18:37
FurnaceBoyGates, same.Dec 11 18:37
FurnaceBoyscrew America then take it globalDec 11 18:37
FurnaceBoyif only the rest of us were smart enough to reject itDec 11 18:38
schestowitzHehDec 11 18:40
MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/ek2c4/til_the_recipient_of_the_1935_nobel_peace_prize/Dec 11 19:05
TechrightsBot-scTitle: TIL the recipient of the 1935 Nobel Peace Prize was a German who leaked information about Germany's violation of the Treaty of Versailles. : todayilearned .::. Size~: 265.37 KBDec 11 19:05
MinceRhttp://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=12371796Dec 11 19:13
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Ireland Caved to Vatican in Abuse Probe - ABC News .::. Size~: 69.01 KBDec 11 19:13
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_von_OssietzkyDec 11 19:16
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Carl von Ossietzky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 49.23 KBDec 11 19:16
schestowitzInteresting. I'll use it laterDec 11 19:16
schestowitzWe do the show nowDec 11 19:16
MinceR:)Dec 11 19:19
schestowitzLOL -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] @evan don't believe his lies... look what he sent the FSF staff as a christmas card this year -- http://ur1.ca/2k6k2Dec 11 19:32
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sebsebsebhiDec 11 20:47
FurnaceBoyhiDec 11 20:48
gnufreexHIDec 11 21:19
FurnaceBoy:)Dec 11 21:36
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: gnufreex hiDec 11 21:41
gnufreexHiDec 11 21:52
gnufreexoh... I already said thatDec 11 21:52
gnufreex:-)Dec 11 21:52
schestowitzhehDec 11 21:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i will be sending you a new bot updateDec 11 22:07
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: more bugs foundDec 11 22:07
FurnaceBoy(including bugs in new features of course)Dec 11 22:08
FurnaceBoy:)Dec 11 22:08
schestowitzthanks!Dec 11 22:08
FurnaceBoyjust a couple of minDec 11 22:09
schestowitzI'm currently editing a show we just didDec 11 22:09
gnufreexschestowitz: What does it mean to flag identica.ca account? I just flagged this guy http://identi.ca/freetardDec 11 22:15
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Freedom <3 Freedom (freetard)  - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 39.17 KBDec 11 22:15
gnufreexIf it means "voting for banning" they I recommend you do too.Dec 11 22:15
schestowitzgnufreex: I think it's calling for staff attentionDec 11 22:23
gnufreexThen lets flag him. Everybody.Dec 11 22:27
schestowitzRe: [Fsuk-manchester] Why it's important to educate journalists andlawyers in the basicsDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> Reuters have an article on a case you may have heard of-a GoldmanDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> Sachs programmer has been accused of stealing code for aDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> high-frequency trading platform. The man's facing 10 years in prison,Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz> and this is what he's up against:Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3026798220101130Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:33
TechrightsBot-scTitle: UPDATE 1-Jury hears opening salvos in Goldman secrets trial| Reuters .::. Size~: 75.42 KBDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> Marino said in his opening statement that Aleynikov told the FBI afterDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> his July 2009 arrest he had copied Goldman directories that wereDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> loaded with "open source code," which no person or firm hasDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> proprietary control over.Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz> He said Aleynikov mistakenly violated a confidentiality agreement heDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> had as a Goldman Sachs employee, but criminal prosecution wasDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> unnecessary.Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz> "This was a breach of confidentiality, he shouldn't have done it,"Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz> Marino said. "Regrettable? Pretty regrettable, but it is not a federalDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> crime."Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz> COMPUTER LANGUAGEDec 11 22:33
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:33
schestowitz> Many programmers have created and promoted the computer programmingDec 11 22:33
schestowitz> language known as "open source code" to be shared on public sites atDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> no cost, but licensing issues are murky.Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz> Aleynikov was a longtime adherent of open source code, his lawyer toldDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> the court as Aleynikov sat at the defense table in a black suit,Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz> taking notes.Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz>  Brent Cossrow, a lawyer who practices in the area of employeeDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> defection and trade secrets, but is not involved in the trial, saidDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> little case law exists around open source code licensing.Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz> "There are hundreds of different open source licenses. They don't allDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> say the same thing," said Cossrow, of law firm Fisher & Phillips LLPDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> in Radnor, Pennsylvania.Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz> "There are some who believe on the one hand that when you drop openDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> source code into this type of larger program, it dilutes the wholeDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> thing. There are others who believe that it really doesn't because itDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> is one piece of a larger proprietary pie."Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz> Prosecutor Joseph Facciponti told jurors Aleynikov put the code on aDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> storage website and also copied it onto a flash drive and otherDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> computers.Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz> Facciponti said: "The evidence will show that he thought he had foundDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> a foolproof way of getting around the security barriers" at GoldmanDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> Sachs.Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz> ...Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz> Aleynikov, an immigrant from Russia who became a U.S. citizen, hasDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> been free on bail since his arrest. If convicted, he faces up to 10Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz> years in prison on two criminal counts.Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:34
schestowitz> -- "To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not theDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> highest skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the highestDec 11 22:34
schestowitz> skill."— Sun-TzuDec 11 22:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: rightDec 11 22:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the lawyer is probably rightDec 11 22:37
schestowitzRe: LeMonde articleDec 11 22:54
schestowitz> You might be interested in this article from Le Monde about Wikileaks:Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> WikiLeaks : "Nous avons subi des attaques d'une rare intensité"Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> http://www.lemonde.fr/documents-wikileaks/article/2010/12/10/wikileaks-nous-avons-subi-des-attaques-d-une-rare-intensite_1451447_1446239.htmlDec 11 22:54
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:54
TechrightsBot-scTitle: WikiLeaks : "Nous avons subi des attaques d'une rare intensité" - LeMonde.fr .::. Size~: 116.86 KBDec 11 22:54
schestowitz> Title translation: "We have had uncommonly strong attacks"Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> He is talking about the DDoS and other attacks on Wikileaks' Web sites.  He also speaks about the DNS problems of the wikileaks.org domain.  The hoster of the DNS claims that they turned off the wikileaks.org DNS record because of the DDoS attacks, but "a bloqué l'accès à son interface de contrôle" (have blocked access to the control interface) so that "nous empêche de choisir vers quel hébergeur pointe wikileaks.org.Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz (Wikileaks cannot move the domain to another provider.)Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> The last question and answer is also interesting.Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> Q: Le fichier "Insurance" contient-il les 250 000 câbles diplomatiques sous forme cryptée ?Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> (Does the "insurance" file contain the 250,000 diplomatic cables in encrypted form?)Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> A: Je ne peux pas le dire. Cela ne veut dire ni oui ni non.Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> (I cannot say.  This means neither yes nor no.)Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> You might be interested in this article from Le Monde about Wikileaks:Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> WikiLeaks : "Nous avons subi des attaques d'une rare intensité"Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> http://www.lemonde.fr/documents-wikileaks/article/2010/12/10/wikileaks-nous-avons-subi-des-attaques-d-une-rare-intensite_1451447_1446239.htmlDec 11 22:54
TechrightsBot-scTitle: WikiLeaks : "Nous avons subi des attaques d'une rare intensité" - LeMonde.fr .::. Size~: 116.86 KBDec 11 22:54
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz> Title translation: "We have had uncommonly strong attacks"Dec 11 22:54
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:55
schestowitz> He is talking about the DDoS and other attacks on Wikileaks' Web sites.  He also speaks about the DNS problems of the wikileaks.org domain.  The hoster of the DNS claims that they turned off the wikileaks.org DNS record because of the DDoS attacks, but "a bloqué l'accès à son interface de contrôle" (have blocked access to the control interface) so that "nous empêche de choisir vers quel hébergeur pointe wikileaks.org.Dec 11 22:55
schestowitz (Wikileaks cannot move the domain to another provider.)Dec 11 22:55
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:55
schestowitz> The last question and answer is also interesting.Dec 11 22:55
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:55
schestowitz> Q: Le fichier "Insurance" contient-il les 250 000 câbles diplomatiques sous forme cryptée ?Dec 11 22:55
schestowitz> (Does the "insurance" file contain the 250,000 diplomatic cables in encrypted form?)Dec 11 22:55
schestowitz>Dec 11 22:55
schestowitz> A: Je ne peux pas le dire. Cela ne veut dire ni oui ni non.Dec 11 22:55
schestowitz> (I cannot say.  This means neither yes nor no.)Dec 11 22:55
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schestowitz"@hfiguiere OK, point out where @schestowitz is inaccurate. I'm not talking opinions, I'm talking facts." https://identi.ca/notice/60249193Dec 11 23:19
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Wayne Borean (themadhatter)'s status on Saturday, 11-Dec-10 19:49:57 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.41 KBDec 11 23:19
schestowitz"@hfiguiere It all comes down to accuracy. @schestowitz is accurate. Truth will out."https://identi.ca/notice/60248765Dec 11 23:19
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Wayne Borean (themadhatter)'s status on Saturday, 11-Dec-10 19:38:03 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.27 KBDec 11 23:19
schestowitz"@hfiguiere It all comes down to accuracy. @schestowitz is accurate. Truth will out." https://identi.ca/notice/60248765Dec 11 23:20
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Wayne Borean (themadhatter)'s status on Saturday, 11-Dec-10 19:38:03 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.27 KBDec 11 23:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ender2070/status/13723263658098688 ""@schestowitz: Patriotism is petrifying." #globalization #ftl"Dec 11 23:22
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / Brandon Lozza: "@schestowitz: Patriotism  ... .::. Size~: 13.08 KBDec 11 23:22
schestowitz"It all comes down to accuracy. @schestowitz is accurate. Truth will out."Dec 11 23:22
schestowitzHe is ebing trolled there by known trollDec 11 23:22
schestowitzWho followed me for yearsDec 11 23:22
schestowitzAnd they try to retaliate against him for linking to meDec 11 23:23
schestowitzThe usual blacklist strategyDec 11 23:23
MinceR001902 < scott2> ParahSalin, is it true that you can see Julian Assange from your house?Dec 11 23:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/skip_intro/status/13719670775353344 "@schestowitz http://bit.ly/egAvJf I think the CIA would be smarter than to use their own IP block."Dec 11 23:23
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / Skip Intro: @schestowitz http://bit.ly ... .::. Size~: 13.06 KBDec 11 23:23
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Breaking the Calm: Musing on Misinformation & Morons. .::. Size~: 49.28 KBDec 11 23:23
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/13673756526383104  "@_the_mad_hatter A lot of ppl do what? Not sure w you're responding to. Yes privacy is critical. WL may be already compromised @schestowitz"Dec 11 23:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / SrinivasaKettenbruch: @_the_mad_hatter A lot of  ... .::. Size~: 13.14 KBDec 11 23:24
schestowitzAny proof?Dec 11 23:24
schestowitzBTW, FurnaceBoy, will update s/w shortlyDec 11 23:24
FurnaceBoyok :)Dec 11 23:31
FurnaceBoyMinceR: Julian Assange is AT her house. Seducing WillowDec 11 23:32
schestowitzI lost track of responses today :-|Dec 11 23:39
schestowitzI guess I'll carry on at high pace regardless, it's funDec 11 23:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: no proof, i was mainly referring to the mirrors. But I am thinking from the point of view of a leakerDec 11 23:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it may be a bad time to pass data to WL, wouldn't you say? ... remembering that certain mirrors are probably compromisedDec 11 23:53
schestowitzyeahDec 11 23:55
schestowitzBut...Dec 11 23:55
schestowitzThey have more exposureDec 11 23:55
schestowitzSo they'll get leaksDec 11 23:56
schestowitzLeaks without exposure/scandal are a quiet cryDec 11 23:56
schestowitzIraq War Log didn't get so much blowbackDec 11 23:56
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