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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: uh oh | Dec 15 02:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it was this; too large, i guess: | hackerpublicradio.org/eps/hpr0617.mp3 | Dec 15 02:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i'll put in a safeguard | Dec 15 02:53 |
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| Ender2070 | what about the FBI paying to get backdoors put into openbsd | Dec 15 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's an interesting trick. but somebody pointed out, if open source is this bad, imagine what the closed source is like. | Dec 15 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: you saw from a cable that Microsoft gave Windows source to China's TOPSEC? | Dec 15 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Dec 15 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | impressive | Dec 15 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | remember how I suggested it might be treason? | Dec 15 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | might wake somebody up... or not... | Dec 15 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: oh yeah | Dec 15 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 15 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | i have trouble keeping my treacheries straight these days. | Dec 15 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | coming thick and fast... | Dec 15 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | I agree | Dec 15 03:20 |
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| Quadrescence | schestowitz: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=129236621626462&w=2 | Dec 15 06:04 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Dec 15 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Hello | Dec 15 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | At #Novell ☛ #Apple ☛ Comes Before !Linux ☛ http://is.gd/iMFEb | Dec 15 12:25 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: Nice timing for Novell to go splat. | Dec 15 12:35 |
| oiaohm | The very time open source is starting to turn highly active. | Dec 15 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/rgardler | Dec 15 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | The mono boosters attack people for merely linking to my posts | Dec 15 13:36 |
| schestowitz | What a bunch of bullies | Dec 15 13:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, indeed | Dec 15 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Its funny lot of MS trolls really don't know what todo. | Dec 15 13:37 |
| oiaohm | There arguements just die. | Dec 15 13:37 |
| oiaohm | I liked one guy recently with me was asking why lots of open source projects did not have like MS Partners out there. | Dec 15 13:38 |
| oiaohm | My response was why would you not higher you own developer to mainatain sections of your network stack instead. | Dec 15 13:38 |
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| schestowitz | [13:37] <oiaohm> There arguements just die. | Dec 15 14:06 |
| schestowitz | My posts about Mono have arguments that are correct | Dec 15 14:07 |
| schestowitz | So all Mono proponents can do is attack me or the site, not the posts | Dec 15 14:07 |
| schestowitz | "I wish I could cry  Internet Explorer 9 comes out top in study of web browser security http://bit.ly/gx1vQy (via Microsoft EMEA)" | Dec 15 14:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Internet Explorer 9: Welcome to a more beautiful - and trusted - web .::. Size~: 66.11 KB | Dec 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Dec 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Just sent to me | Dec 15 14:09 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 15 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Let them cry | Dec 15 14:09 |
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| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/#!/thomasmorffew/status/15027894774403072 | Dec 15 15:08 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @thomasmorffew: Zuck received 18,000 votes in the Reader's poll. Assange clocked 382,000. #time #assange | Dec 15 15:08 |
| MinceR | interesting, ender2070 became an anti-free software troll | Dec 15 16:44 |
| MinceR | or someone broke into his blog | Dec 15 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Dec 15 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes, unpredictable at times | Dec 15 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Not so new... | Dec 15 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I would not worry... | Dec 15 17:34 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60473039 | Dec 15 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Azuthian (azuthian)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 15:07:22 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz makes me so mad. community need to be warned about this behavior to shun #mono proponents | Dec 15 17:35 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60478870 | Dec 15 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Miguel de Icaza (migueldeicaza)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 17:15:11 UTC - Identi.ca: Easy answer, @schestowitz because it is impossible to keep up with your fire hose of mutating lies | Dec 15 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft MVP's excuse | Dec 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | He could respond, but sweeping statement instead | Dec 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | OK, I should respond | Dec 15 17:39 |
| schestowitz | "You claim "lies", but you don't highlight any lies. It's just a "dog whistle" tactic, Miguel. Be specific, be precise." | Dec 15 17:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Dec 15 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | he prefers a firehose of cash | Dec 15 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: perhaps you can outbid his handlers | Dec 15 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: dialogues with such people are pointless | Dec 15 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I know | Dec 15 17:45 |
| schestowitz | I always ignore him | Dec 15 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Not been talking back to him for almost a year. | Dec 15 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | don't. | Dec 15 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Usually he doesn't talk directly, either | Dec 15 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | let him yell and flail around | Dec 15 17:46 |
| schestowitz | He'd just throw immature insults | Dec 15 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: also today, @glennbeck engaged @stopbeck | Dec 15 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: same deal. | Dec 15 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: just ignore them | Dec 15 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Ha | Dec 15 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they have the power and reputation. don't fight on that turf. | Dec 15 17:46 |
| schestowitz | It's not all bad | Dec 15 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes, they have eyeballs on there | Dec 15 17:47 |
| schestowitz | But they only bring some of their followers to meeting the opposition | Dec 15 17:47 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't speak to my detractors for this reason | Dec 15 17:47 |
| schestowitz | I won't draw attention to people who troll me, either. People who disgaree--yes. I put that here. | Dec 15 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I mean, there's lots of stuff I see that doesn't get visibility anywhere, I learned this from Groklaw | Dec 15 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Several years ago I'd challenge it and give that attention, time, labour... | Dec 15 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Debate your detractors if they are not dyed-in-the-wool hecklers. | Dec 15 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I'd turned some people who abused me into friends | Dec 15 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Like diablod3 for example | Dec 15 17:49 |
| schestowitz | And others who now occasionally come to IRC | Dec 15 17:50 |
| schestowitz | THey came cause someone incited them against me | Dec 15 17:50 |
| schestowitz | And then they hear the other side | Dec 15 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, talk to THEM. | Dec 15 17:50 |
| schestowitz | That's why I said that MS MVP Miguel playing ball like this is not working to his advantage | Dec 15 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | but don't engage the ideologues of the other side. | Dec 15 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | just let him rant and flail around. | Dec 15 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's like chess | Dec 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | It's entertainment if it's left at that | Dec 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to start fighting | Dec 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | It reduces signal | Dec 15 17:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can't gain anythign by it | Dec 15 17:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | but he can lose | Dec 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | In 2008 I spent too much time writing rebuttals as posts | Dec 15 17:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | he can lose if you don't engage | Dec 15 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Counterproductive at worst if not unproductive | Dec 15 17:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | people will start wondering "why is Miguel giving so much attention to this guy" | Dec 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | I want to pick a topic and just cover it without a person (like rebuttal to someone) being part of it | Dec 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/15097496745287680 | Dec 15 17:52 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @ender2070: @migueldeicaza @schestowitz I suspect roy has a ghostwriter | Dec 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Ah... | Dec 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Brando.. | Dec 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Brandon.. | Dec 15 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Who trap-interviewed Miguel over a year ago | Dec 15 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Not playing sympthiser... | Dec 15 17:53 |
| schestowitz | me: "@ender2070 I don't. Please don't spread this libel. For years people have spread such lies to discredit me. You know better, Brandon." | Dec 15 17:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Dec 15 17:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | a ghostwriter.... | Dec 15 17:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Dec 15 17:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | the guy's unhinged | Dec 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I didn't do anything to upset me | Dec 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | He sent me mail | Dec 15 17:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | just ignore it | Dec 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | And I was civil | Dec 15 17:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | he knows he's fabricating this. | Dec 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I think he just looks for action frankly, I might be wrong | Dec 15 17:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a deliberate lie | Dec 15 17:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | he knows it's not true | Dec 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/15102037377155072 | Dec 15 17:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @ender2070: @schestowitz: @themadhatter #Climate Change predicts this sort of weather. #climaterchange / Amazing how banks funded propaganda fools. | Dec 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmm... not with his global warming sceptcism | Dec 15 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Blaming "bankers" | Dec 15 17:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've seen his stuff before. ignore it. | Dec 15 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Why did I bother..... | Dec 15 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Bankers are to blame for many things, the melting of ice can only be tied loosely to them | Dec 15 17:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | he thinks our PM is socialist. | Dec 15 17:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | i called him out on it | Dec 15 17:56 |
| schestowitz | High GDP consumes resources faster (more money) | Dec 15 17:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | and he immediately backtracked | Dec 15 17:56 |
| schestowitz | So if anything, bankers help increase pace of burnout | Dec 15 17:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | "well, um, maybe there are socialists in government then" | Dec 15 17:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | well of fucking course there are. | Dec 15 17:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's what Canada's about. | Dec 15 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Do you have national insurance? | Dec 15 17:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Dec 15 17:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | single payer | Dec 15 17:56 |
| schestowitz | I think you do, but how much does it cover? | Dec 15 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Moore did it in the film | Dec 15 17:56 |
| schestowitz | When he visited CA patients | Dec 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | "How much did you pay?" | Dec 15 17:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | doesn't cover dentistry or psych | Dec 15 17:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | you don't pay anything. | Dec 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | But different countries define NI differently | Dec 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | In the UK we put NI number in each paycheck | Dec 15 17:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the thing is, the INSURED in US pay many times what the UNINSURED here pay. | Dec 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | I know | Dec 15 17:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I've been uninsured here. | Dec 15 17:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I've paid cash for ER | Dec 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | And tessier needs to insure him and the wife | Dec 15 17:57 |
| schestowitz | It sounds rather outlandish to me | Dec 15 17:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | tessier? | Dec 15 17:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | in CA? | Dec 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Only Western nation that will let you die for not paying 'life tax' | Dec 15 17:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | you're automatically eligible for cover as a perm res | Dec 15 17:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, in USA? | Dec 15 17:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's fucked | Dec 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | No, he's OK | Dec 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Sys admin | Dec 15 17:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's okay as long as he keeps paying protection money | Dec 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | He can afford it | Dec 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | He flies planed too | Dec 15 17:58 |
| schestowitz | *planes | Dec 15 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I think I might start my startup soon | Dec 15 17:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | so he's on the right side of the wedge. | Dec 15 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I have had code cooking for a while | Dec 15 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Based on GPL-licensed stack | Dec 15 17:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: cool! | Dec 15 17:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: maybe we can even work together some day | Dec 15 17:59 |
| schestowitz | But I can't say much yet | Dec 15 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I might also need to find VC | Dec 15 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Before I reduce level of work at the University | Dec 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: sure! | Dec 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | And Quadrescence | Dec 15 18:00 |
| schestowitz | He's a Mathematica guy | Dec 15 18:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: don't get into a fight with E2070 | Dec 15 18:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's clearly unstable | Dec 15 18:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | fight/dialogue | Dec 15 18:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | let him come and apologise later | Dec 15 18:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...or not... | Dec 15 18:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/15103437578436608 | Dec 15 18:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @ender2070: @schestowitz my suspicions are opinions, not libel. Am I not #free to express them? How else do you output so much while working a job. | Dec 15 18:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/15104523819294720 | Dec 15 18:03 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Could not fetch Twitter page | Dec 15 18:04 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: he'll come back | Dec 15 18:04 |
| schestowitz | He did this before | Dec 15 18:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/15104523819294720 | Dec 15 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @schestowitz: @ender2070 I'm very efficient. At least I hope I am. http://is.gd/iNztv (2004) | Dec 15 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Odd... | Dec 15 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Efficiency Tips .::. Size~: 7.33 KB | Dec 15 18:04 |
| schestowitz | I think it hadn't reached the site when I first pasted it | Dec 15 18:04 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60481232 | Dec 15 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 18:02:16 UTC - Identi.ca: Is that it from @migueldeicaza? Wide ranging accusations of lying and not a thing to back it up but silence. | Dec 15 18:04 |
| schestowitz | See? It's backfiring for him because he didn't show any lies | Dec 15 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Now he's challenged by his detractors | Dec 15 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: cut the dialogue short. | Dec 15 18:05 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60480596 | Dec 15 18:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Alexandre Oliva (lxoliva)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 17:49:42 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz meritocracy != rich people decide = plutocracy | Dec 15 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's easier to say too much than too little. | Dec 15 18:05 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I did | Dec 15 18:05 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I posted one message | Dec 15 18:05 |
| schestowitz | With Brandon I'll leave it | Dec 15 18:05 |
| schestowitz | He'll come back later | Dec 15 18:06 |
| schestowitz | It's like Beranger "leaving" Linux | Dec 15 18:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's unstable. his 'opinions' are irrational. | Dec 15 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Just for drama queen-ing | Dec 15 18:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Dec 15 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Then he comes back and repeats the cycle | Dec 15 18:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | DFC | Dec 15 18:06 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60480595 | Dec 15 18:06 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Wayne Borean (themadhatter)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 17:49:37 UTC - Identi.ca: RT @schestowitz: @migueldeicaza You claim "lies", but you don't highlight any. Be specific, be precise. | Dec 15 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, better do some coding for 3 hours now | Dec 15 18:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah cut that short. | Dec 15 18:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | just makes u look bad | Dec 15 18:07 |
| schestowitz | I keep postponing and procrastinating | Dec 15 18:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | let miguel flail and whine | Dec 15 18:07 |
| schestowitz | I have a meeting this week, for EU fund to my research | Dec 15 18:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 15 18:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | good luck!! | Dec 15 18:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | do u need an associate! I'm cheap! | Dec 15 18:07 |
| schestowitz | You're priceless | Dec 15 18:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Dec 15 18:08 |
| schestowitz | bbl,going to workspace 8 | Dec 15 18:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | ciao | Dec 15 18:10 |
| schestowitz | These folks are brilliant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eooXNd0heM | Dec 15 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Playlist here: http://www.youtube.com/user/schmoyoho#p/c/736C3116AD309B58/0/hMtZfW2z9dw | Dec 15 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - schmoyoho's Channel .::. Size~: 119.93 KB | Dec 15 19:01 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60483024 | Dec 15 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Miguel de Icaza (migueldeicaza)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 18:39:44 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz If you are no longer able to tell apart your imaginary facts from reality, you need to get treated. | Dec 15 19:09 |
| schestowitz | SHould I respond | Dec 15 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I am tempted to say - there again you prove my point | Dec 15 19:10 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60482095 | Dec 15 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Ravi Pinjala (rxp)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 18:20:36 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz So you have this habit of linking to your own (highly speculative) articles as though they were proven facts. | Dec 15 19:10 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60482127 | Dec 15 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Ravi Pinjala (rxp)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 18:21:22 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz It's like the "echo chamber" effect on political blogs, but you're doing it all by yourself, which a bit creepy, frankly | Dec 15 19:10 |
| MinceR | give in to the temptation | Dec 15 19:10 |
| schestowitz | They know I link to a lot of external sources | Dec 15 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Like 10 per posts | Dec 15 19:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: OK, but it goes nowhere | Dec 15 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Well, I guess I should anyway | Dec 15 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Dare him to point out mistake | Dec 15 19:11 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60484714 | Dec 15 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 19:11:49 UTC - Identi.ca: @migueldeicaza and there you go again proving my point. Sweeping statements, personal attacks, ad infinitum... | Dec 15 19:12 |
| MinceR | that said, i wouldn't mind if the links to the external sources were more prominent, even if an earlier post linked already referenced them | Dec 15 19:12 |
| schestowitz | I put globe sign on them | Dec 15 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It's part of my CSS since years ago | Dec 15 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It detects root domain and responds accordingly | Dec 15 19:13 |
| MinceR | i know | Dec 15 19:13 |
| schestowitz | My old boss when I was like 19 or 20 did this manually when people used retarded IE5/6 | Dec 15 19:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i warned you. | Dec 15 19:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: don't respond. | Dec 15 19:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it gives him a platform which is 100x the size of yours. | Dec 15 19:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: don't choose this turf | Dec 15 19:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you see how you're playiing into his hands? | Dec 15 19:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's using you to amplify | Dec 15 19:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's like HuffPo | Dec 15 19:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's the guy with the more powerful transmitter so you can't play this game | Dec 15 19:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: make a rule, never engage the bosses | Dec 15 19:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: letting them talk into empty air just makes them look foolish | Dec 15 19:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in public | Dec 15 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Right... MinceR disagrees | Dec 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, 2.5 hours passed | Dec 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | About 100 LOCs | Dec 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Let's do some denting.. :-) | Dec 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | [19:58] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is schestowitz with 115 dents! | Dec 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Can't beleve it! | Dec 15 20:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/spectrumgomas/status/15123735040233473 | Dec 15 20:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @spectrumgomas: @schestowitz Icaza has been specific and precise: http://bit.ly/i6WM3O See comments | Dec 15 20:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: MonoReports: Report Designer and Reporting Engine - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 16.11 KB | Dec 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/spectrumgomas/status/15137518869549056 | Dec 15 20:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @spectrumgomas: @schestowitz @migueldeicaza has been specific and precise. Now You must be specific and precise: What patents infringes Mono? | Dec 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm not gonna bother, even though the answer has been given before | Dec 15 20:34 |
| schestowitz | It's like talking to Chopra's drones | Dec 15 20:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: sigh | Dec 15 20:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this proves my point. | Dec 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Dec 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | But from the Chopra argument I got some followers | Dec 15 20:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | in that venue, they have all the power, 100x the influence/audience/reputation | Dec 15 20:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | don't attack where they're strong | Dec 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/12/goldman-sachs-predicts-tough-times.html | Dec 15 20:41 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Goldman Sachs predicts tough times ahead for Microsoft in 2011 .::. Size~: 56.92 KB | Dec 15 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Dec 15 20:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | most people are dazzled by celebrity | Dec 15 20:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | the assume Miguel is rich or smart, because they've heard of him. | Dec 15 20:42 |
| schestowitz | But the audience is theirs | Dec 15 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Not general audience | Dec 15 20:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | either way, the assumption beats you pre-emptively. | Dec 15 20:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes!! | Dec 15 20:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is worse. | Dec 15 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Depends | Dec 15 20:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | they've heard of HIM, not YOU. | Dec 15 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Because they don't follow you either way | Dec 15 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | they have all the advantage. it's not a turf you should choose. | Dec 15 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | you should let them swing in the wind | Dec 15 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | twist in the wind* | Dec 15 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | if nobody plays on their turf, it's a wasted advantage to them. | Dec 15 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's like the US war machine. | Dec 15 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | military superiority is nothing if you don't use it constantly. | Dec 15 20:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | they are bashing you with their fame, schestowitz | Dec 15 20:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | because that's what they've got. | Dec 15 20:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | where they are weak are FACTS | Dec 15 20:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | but the VENUE is important. | Dec 15 20:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not enough to hit them with facts in the wrong venue. | Dec 15 20:44 |
| schestowitz | OK..... | Dec 15 20:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 15 20:48 |
| *FurnaceBoy needs a coffee | Dec 15 20:48 | |
| schestowitz | I think I do too, in case we record tonight... been a while.. | Dec 15 20:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm, what have we here... http://rww.to/e6w2xb | Dec 15 20:50 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: What Mark Zuckerberg Told TIME About Wikileaks .::. Size~: 65.76 KB | Dec 15 20:50 |
| *schestowitz looks | Dec 15 20:57 | |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: he doesn't comment it | Dec 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | That's OK | Dec 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | "I mean the wikileaks story is fascinating, but I also just don't think we're anywhere near the end of it. And I personally feel like, from the coverage that I've read, that I don't understand enough to fully comment on it, so I won't." | Dec 15 20:58 |
| schestowitz | He probably thinks Julian is a "stupid fuck", assuming Julian put his details on 'MarkDB' | Dec 15 20:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the killer part of this article is below that. | Dec 15 21:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: where the writer deconstructs the Bullshit about Facebook helping Colombians. | Dec 15 21:01 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60489623 | Dec 15 21:01 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 21:01:08 UTC - Identi.ca: MarkZ exposes 'little people' for those in power; JulianA exposes those in power for all people to see. Time kneels to power, of course. | Dec 15 21:01 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: haha | Dec 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Colombian... tyrants | Dec 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | They ran out of ink, methinking | Dec 15 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i hope you're ignoring e1070 for the moment. | Dec 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BC5DP20101213 Ronald gets an enema :-) | Dec 15 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Email, birthdays of McDonald's customers hacked | Reuters .::. Size~: 75.31 KB | Dec 15 21:10 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yes, I do | Dec 15 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | k | Dec 15 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's having some kind of 'episode', i guess. | Dec 15 21:10 |
| schestowitz | He has been too provocative for weeks | Dec 15 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Posting all sorts of communism stuff | Dec 15 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Accusing me of communism or something for just denting as I did | Dec 15 21:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Dec 15 21:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | like i say.. some kind of mood swing. | Dec 15 21:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | seeing a red under every bed | Dec 15 21:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | when he called Harper a socialist I knew he was off his meds... | Dec 15 21:12 |
| schestowitz | I can't tell what those theories are based on | Dec 15 21:15 |
| schestowitz | The whole "Canada Marxism" thing | Dec 15 21:15 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it's a long-winded theory | Dec 15 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Canada is run by bankers and such people, who are anything but socialists in the textbook sense | Dec 15 21:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Dec 15 21:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | Canada's going the same way as all the late 20th C social democrat states | Dec 15 21:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | and not in the direction e1070 thinks :) | Dec 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | In the cables, politicians are not trying to tell a story to readers, not to peers; their assumption of discreet conditions renders self-censorship unnecessary. | Dec 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Resentment against establishments maybe, this will always exist | Dec 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Even Pearly Gates keeps complaining | Dec 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | And of course he knows the solution and now it's his duty to take over and 'fix' it | Dec 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | IOW, winners too will adjust the scorecard and won't ever be happy | Dec 15 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Pearly, with 3 kids in private school, already works on changing *public* schools (with Microsoft-only 'computer' classes) and advocates depopulation his own way, with patents from companies he invests in. | Dec 15 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I haven't kept track of him for a while due to lack of time | Dec 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | A few hours ago someone said something that annoyed me somewhat | Dec 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | I was doing exercise outside and this girl told me I was like a computer wiz "like Bill Gates" | Dec 15 21:22 |
| schestowitz | ...and you can imagine the lng reaction | Dec 15 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | his agenda for education is far more sinister than just filling schools with Windows. | Dec 15 21:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's part of that whole Obama/Duncan agenda to destroy public ed | Dec 15 21:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | and now Fuckerberg is part of it too. | Dec 15 21:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's complementary to making university unaffordable for the Morlock classes | Dec 15 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Dec 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | UK too heads there | Dec 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | No 'socialism' for education | Dec 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | More like the US, been subsidised hitherto | Dec 15 21:26 |
| schestowitz | What next? The Tories will get their way and bury the NHS/NI | Dec 15 21:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/12/15/1922205 | Dec 15 21:27 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: First-Sale Doctrine Lost Overseas - Slashdot .::. Size~: 143.97 KB | Dec 15 21:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | ^^ this is really scary. | Dec 15 21:27 |
| schestowitz | Give the whole system a Milton Friendman treatment, bar abolishment of regulatory agencies | Dec 15 21:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right; and we thought Thatcher was buried. | Dec 15 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Reagan too... | Dec 15 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the UK and AU will never escape US influence. | Dec 15 21:29 |
| schestowitz | These people make me think of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdnaKSlUh0&feature=PlayList&p=8197B8DEF93FC7D9&index=3 | Dec 15 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: to get out from under that cloud you'll have to leave :) | Dec 15 21:29 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - 1984 BBC docudrama on nuclear war and its effects (pt 4of13) .::. Size~: 126.15 KB | Dec 15 21:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1911620&cid=34562034 | Dec 15 21:37 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: TIME Names Mark Zuckerberg Person of Year - Slashdot .::. Size~: 46.35 KB | Dec 15 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Fail | Dec 15 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Well, TBH, person of the year can also be a famous criminal | Dec 15 21:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Speaker says WikiLeaks "information terrorism" http://www.politics.hu/20101214/speaker-says-wikileaks-information-terrorism | Dec 15 21:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Politics.Hu: Speaker says WikiLeaks "information terrorism" .::. Size~: 58.4 KB | Dec 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Welcome to newspeak | Dec 15 21:44 |
| schestowitz | What next? Sexualk terrorism? | Dec 15 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Dec 15 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, i know i'm not the first to say this... | Dec 15 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | but if WL is, all journalism is. | Dec 15 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Printing facts." | Dec 15 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | omgomgomgomg | Dec 15 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | the facts have to be FILTERED! Didn't you get the memo? | Dec 15 21:45 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: it was to be expected of those nazis | Dec 15 21:46 |
| MinceR | they've destroyed the constitutional state | Dec 15 21:47 |
| MinceR | they've taken away the remaining freedom of speech and freedom of press | Dec 15 21:47 |
| MinceR | they're stealing the money that we've set aside for our pensions | Dec 15 21:47 |
| MinceR | also, they're replacing our constitution with some idiotic christian fundamentalist bullshit | Dec 15 21:48 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Dec 15 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Well, they reproduce faster | Dec 15 21:48 |
| MinceR | obviously such dictators hate leakers | Dec 15 21:48 |
| MinceR | they shouldn't reproduce at all | Dec 15 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Darwin should have said, "inherit the Earth" | Dec 15 21:48 |
| MinceR | they should be publicly tortured to death | Dec 15 21:48 |
| MinceR | fucking fascist assholes | Dec 15 21:48 |
| schestowitz | "Spread your genes" to marginalise deitism [sic] | Dec 15 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20101215000542768 | Dec 15 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Groklaw - Interval Licensing v. Google Scheduling Conference Notes: It's Back to Go, and the Judge Asks Defendants to Be Creative .::. Size~: 61.52 KB | Dec 15 21:49 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: see my dent about this rticle | Dec 15 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | "The judge says she is reserving judgment on the motions to sever, but in reality her order sets up a system whereby all the defendants have to choose one spokesperson, when in reality they may not and probably do not have identical issues or identical interests. That's a very bad sign from my perspective. | Dec 15 21:49 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60491629 | Dec 15 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 21:45:27 UTC - Identi.ca: Speaker says WikiLeaks "information terrorism" http://is.gd/iO6YE artistic new realms for the shock word "terrorism".Exposing terror=terror? | Dec 15 21:49 |
| MinceR | i want to leave this fucking joke of a country | Dec 15 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Politics.Hu: Speaker says WikiLeaks "information terrorism" .::. Size~: 58.4 KB | Dec 15 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: work on it. | Dec 15 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: it's possible | Dec 15 21:50 |
| MinceR | i'm working on it | Dec 15 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 15 21:50 |
| MinceR | but it's not easy | Dec 15 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Dec 15 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've emigrated once. i'll be doing it again sooner or later. | Dec 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | they WALK on it :-) | Dec 15 21:50 |
| MinceR | though my criteria are becoming less, as so many states come out as fascistic | Dec 15 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Dec 15 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a spreading vermin | Dec 15 21:50 |
| MinceR | looks like i can't make my situation as good as i thought | Dec 15 21:50 |
| MinceR | not just spreading | Dec 15 21:50 |
| schestowitz | spading | Dec 15 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | metastasising | Dec 15 21:51 |
| MinceR | states that were masquerading as "democratic" show themselves not to be so in the way they oppose wikileaks | Dec 15 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Dec 15 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Exposing terror was always 'terror'. | Dec 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | progressive is the new regressive | Dec 15 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Newspeak | Dec 15 21:51 |
| MinceR | (also, it took me a while to recognize "constitutional monarcy" for the fraud it is) | Dec 15 21:51 |
| MinceR | s/cy/chy/ | Dec 15 21:51 |
| MinceR | i though it was just a waste of taxpayers' money to feed unnecessary, functionless figureheads, but usually those figureheads have despotic control via royal prerogative, they just don't care enough to use it often | Dec 15 21:52 |
| MinceR | well, our commies call themselves "progressive" | Dec 15 21:52 |
| schestowitz | They progress... | Dec 15 21:52 |
| MinceR | because going back to the socialist dictatorship would be "progressive", you see | Dec 15 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Towards their own goal | Dec 15 21:53 |
| MinceR | never mind that it wrecked our economy | Dec 15 21:53 |
| MinceR | and that it ended because the russians successfully managed to totally fuck up and destroy their own economy with it | Dec 15 21:53 |
| MinceR | but they'll get what they dreamed of | Dec 15 21:53 |
| MinceR | orban is doing what rakosi did | Dec 15 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Kick OrBan | Dec 15 21:53 |
| MinceR | so these assholes who came together in luxury cars (paid for often from the money of the taxpayers) to sing about proletars and similar socialist bullshit will get what they kept fantasizing about, except for the being on top bit | Dec 15 21:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/images?hl=&q=orban | Dec 15 21:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: orban - Google Search .::. Size~: 70.01 KB | Dec 15 21:54 |
| MinceR | it would be entertaining to watch if i didn't live in this cesspit | Dec 15 21:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't see anyone in the mainstream media espousing anything resembling a socialist policy | Dec 15 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Looks like a CHarlatan Supremo | Dec 15 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | these 'socialists in fancy cars', where are they? | Dec 15 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Glenn Beck? | Dec 15 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Limbaugh? | Dec 15 21:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Hungary is part of the European Union, so you can move around | Dec 15 21:55 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: the state is taking over private property | Dec 15 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | it is? | Dec 15 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | where? | Dec 15 21:55 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i need money to do so | Dec 15 21:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but if you get a job in advance... | Dec 15 21:56 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: they used the disaster near Kolontar as an excuse to make a law that lets them take over any private company they feel like taking | Dec 15 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh. | Dec 15 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | in hungary... | Dec 15 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | okay but in the USA, the opposite is occurring. | Dec 15 21:56 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: they're already taking away the money that was collected in the private pension funds | Dec 15 21:56 |
| schestowitz | They could raise pension age | Dec 15 21:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | so if you're okay with public money being looted by private interests, USA is where you want to be :) | Dec 15 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Like in France and elsewhere | Dec 15 21:57 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: they've created a law that basically puts them in total control of the media | Dec 15 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Then they'll advertise some smoking and problem solved... | Dec 15 21:57 |
| MinceR | it also enables them to censure internet services | Dec 15 21:57 |
| MinceR | though they haven't build much of an infrastructure to do so yet | Dec 15 21:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: to defend against info. TERROR~1 like WL | Dec 15 21:58 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: as for the "socialists" in black cars, they're called mszp, and they were the previous government | Dec 15 21:58 |
| MinceR | they've created a law that broadly forbids denying or lessening the holocaust -- a blatant attack on freedom of speech | Dec 15 21:58 |
| MinceR | of course it says nothing about the sins of the socialist dictatorship, somehow | Dec 15 21:59 |
| MinceR | somehow in this cesspit the biggest issue is whether you put a yellow sickle and hammer or a black swastika in a white circle on that red flag | Dec 15 21:59 |
| MinceR | both sides believe that their own side is good and perfect and the other is the devil | Dec 15 22:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, that and 9/11 have a lot of people denying them | Dec 15 22:00 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: note that i'm talking about hungary | Dec 15 22:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: do they censor the number challenge | Dec 15 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Also re 9/11 | Dec 15 22:01 |
| schestowitz | There's different stuff | Dec 15 22:01 |
| schestowitz | if someone says the US knew in advance, that may not be falsified in the formal reports | Dec 15 22:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ppl aren't 'denying 9/11' | Dec 15 22:01 |
| schestowitz | But the "planted dynamite" BS really needs to get a slap | Dec 15 22:01 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: 9/11 as "terror attack" | Dec 15 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no, there's a great deal of facts that support demolition. | Dec 15 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it can be both. see: FBI setups | Dec 15 22:02 |
| schestowitz | None that I've seen standing scrutiny | Dec 15 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: nonsense. | Dec 15 22:02 |
| schestowitz | CHallenge it... | Dec 15 22:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Building 7 was demolished, even if you don't accept WTC were. | Dec 15 22:02 |
| schestowitz | I've seen the typicqal lines | Dec 15 22:02 |
| schestowitz | No | Dec 15 22:02 |
| schestowitz | BUilding 7 you must watch from the right side | Dec 15 22:03 |
| schestowitz | It has 4 | Dec 15 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: how do you explain the saturation of thermite and nonthermite throughout the dust cloud? | Dec 15 22:03 |
| MinceR | a sign of how fucked this country is: now those commies are the loudest ones criticizing the nazis for what they're doing | Dec 15 22:03 |
| schestowitz | You're usually not show the one which the building partly fell on and set on fire for hours | Dec 15 22:03 |
| MinceR | nobody who has a chance of being voted into power can be trusted to save this country | Dec 15 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i've seen B7 drop. it was demolished. | Dec 15 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Were you there? | Dec 15 22:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: there was no damage and no fire enough to drop it in its own footprint, instantly. it's impossible. | Dec 15 22:04 |
| *abeNd-org has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Dec 15 22:04 | |
| schestowitz | The 9/11 'truthers' don't show the full evidence | Dec 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | They also lie about freefall speeds | Dec 15 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i've seen video of B7 dropping. it was demolished, unless the video is fake. | Dec 15 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no fire or damage can do that. | Dec 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | WHich side? | Dec 15 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's simply impossible. | Dec 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | It has 4 sides | Dec 15 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | the whole building drops, instantly, into its own footprint. | Dec 15 22:04 |
| MinceR | afaik not all evidence on the 'inside job' side was answered | Dec 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | I saw it from the angle that shows massive damage before the fall | Dec 15 22:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: cannot happen. | Dec 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I can find that for you | Dec 15 22:05 |
| MinceR | but a lot of it was | Dec 15 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it dropped vertically | Dec 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | As it should | Dec 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Tall building | Dec 15 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Dec 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | CHain effect | Dec 15 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's impossible, schestowitz | Dec 15 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it may have been wired AFTER the event, even by authorities. | Dec 15 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: as a safety issue | Dec 15 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Once it gets rolling it picks up mass and momentum/inertia | Dec 15 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Dec 15 22:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it was demolished. the only questions remain by whom and why. | Dec 15 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: maybe it was a public safety issue | Dec 15 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Not if you check the other side | Dec 15 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | and the relevant documents haven't emerged. | Dec 15 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I saw the tricks behind those advancing this theory | Dec 15 22:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if one side were damaged, it can't cause what i saw. | Dec 15 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I also saw the rebuttals | Dec 15 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Hold on.... | Dec 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QilSHm0Luj4 | Dec 15 22:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - The WTC7 Conspiracy .::. Size~: 136.2 KB | Dec 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Watch it, let me know your thoughts | Dec 15 22:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure | Dec 15 22:09 |
| MinceR | btw, while mszp is the direct successor of mszmp (the state party of the previous dictatorship), most prominent members of fidesz (the current dictators) also came from mszmp and/or kisz (the youth organization of mszmp) | Dec 15 22:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | i may want a coffee first... | Dec 15 22:09 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/15148729816317952 | Dec 15 22:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @ender2070: @schestowitz that doesn't explain your shakespherian output | Dec 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | and these people prided themselves over how bloodless our "change of regime" was | Dec 15 22:10 |
| MinceR | well, perhaps it should have been bloodier, then | Dec 15 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i saw it | Dec 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | And about Facebook: https://identi.ca/notice/60492036 | Dec 15 22:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Greg F. (ggoes)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 21:54:19 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Ironically, they've contributed a patch to Apache which helps prevent their source code from being revealed. http://is.gd/iO8pN | Dec 15 22:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting text/plain; charset=UTF-8 type | Dec 15 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's why i wrote 'i hope you're still ignoring him; | Dec 15 22:10 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: if you know a rebuttal to the rebuttal show me | Dec 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I'm open minded, but for now decided on dprjones' side | Dec 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | And while googling for it #1 result was: http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2010/05/wtc-free-fall-rebuttal-to-dprjones.html | Dec 15 22:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Debunking the Debunkers: WTC Free Fall Rebuttal to dprjones .::. Size~: 115.73 KB | Dec 15 22:11 |
| schestowitz | "911debunkers.blogspot" < not impressed | Dec 15 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you've seen this guy and video? http://youtu.be/ssuAMNas1us | Dec 15 22:14 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - NEW PROOF 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! Richard Gage. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth! .::. Size~: 137.13 KB | Dec 15 22:14 |
| *schestowitz checks | Dec 15 22:16 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: mind you, i only want to know all the facts. | Dec 15 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: we don't. | Dec 15 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and there's no effort made to find them. | Dec 15 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: official report doesn't explain away any of what Gage talks about. | Dec 15 22:17 |
| MinceR | it's much easier for the government to "create" the facts | Dec 15 22:17 |
| MinceR | also a lot more convenient | Dec 15 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it makes me wonder why they let Gage go to air with this, and why he's still alive (if he is) | Dec 15 22:17 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: but how many times did we see planed crashing into such buildings? | Dec 15 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Lies too | Dec 15 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hm? | Dec 15 22:17 |
| schestowitz | "Freefall speed" | Dec 15 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | what do you mean? | Dec 15 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Not correct | Dec 15 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, it's freefall | Dec 15 22:17 |
| schestowitz | No reason for it to happen before | Dec 15 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can see clearly from the video | Dec 15 22:18 |
| schestowitz | No instances | Dec 15 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can even measure it from the video | Dec 15 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Then he runs away to Building 7 | Dec 15 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | B7 is the same deal. | Dec 15 22:18 |
| schestowitz | It's not "freefall speed" | Dec 15 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | how do you explain what he's telling you? | Dec 15 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Falsehood already | Dec 15 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | it is freefall. | Dec 15 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can see it clearly. | Dec 15 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | but how do you explain away the thermite, nonthermite, and molten iron that composes the dust? | Dec 15 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | nano* | Dec 15 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: compare to the aftermath of an earthquake. | Dec 15 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no resemblance whatsoever | Dec 15 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in an earthquake you get 'mangled building' | Dec 15 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | in NYC there is just 'dust' (and molten iron(???)) | Dec 15 22:20 |
| schestowitz | His dust he didn't take... | Dec 15 22:20 |
| schestowitz | People brought it to him | Dec 15 22:20 |
| schestowitz | And people quit a publication over someone accepting a paper with this whole "first of dust" story | Dec 15 22:21 |
| schestowitz | [22:20] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: in an earthquake you get 'mangled building' | Dec 15 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Not of this scale | Dec 15 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Show me a skyscraper of this size falling in Earthquake | Dec 15 22:21 |
| schestowitz | It's also not starting from the inside, it would lose balance horizontally | Dec 15 22:21 |
| schestowitz | [22:20] <FurnaceBoy> in NYC there is just 'dust' (and molten iron(???)) | Dec 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | He didn'y pick the samples | Dec 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | So tampering possible | Dec 15 22:22 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60492839 | Dec 15 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:11:27 UTC - Identi.ca: @laurelrusswurm @schestoitz claims @hub was bullied by @migueldeicaza. @hub claims he was bullied by @schestowitz | Dec 15 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Lies | Dec 15 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | just ignore them: | Dec 15 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 15 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: kids | Dec 15 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz | Show me a skyscraper of this size falling in Earthquake <---- EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!! | Dec 15 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | they don't!!!!! | Dec 15 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | and there's FAR more energy involved in an EQ | Dec 15 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | than in any fire or 100 jetliners | Dec 15 22:25 |
| schestowitz | It's an old troll back to life | Dec 15 22:25 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60492938 | Dec 15 22:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:12:37 UTC - Identi.ca: @laurelrusswurm I also suggest you see tweets by @jonobacon and @popey regarding @schestowitz in the past week or so | Dec 15 22:25 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60493274 | Dec 15 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:19:44 UTC - Identi.ca: @laurelrusswurm @schestowitz also made personal attacks against a !canonical employee that goes by DBO, simply because he used #mono | Dec 15 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: we are reduced to speculation because there has been no real investigation. A proper investigation would answer all these points. | Dec 15 22:26 |
| schestowitz | This trolls only ever uses the account to troll me IIRC... for years | Dec 15 22:26 |
| schestowitz | SO could be a sockpuppet | Dec 15 22:26 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60493343 | Dec 15 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Laurel Russwurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:21:28 UTC - Identi.ca: @rclayton I don't know any of these people with the exception of @schestowitz, whom I have only ever seen to behave honorably | Dec 15 22:26 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60493488 | Dec 15 22:27 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:24:56 UTC - Identi.ca: @laurelrusswurm they are lying, I didn't make this claim, he was merely discouraged | Dec 15 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I'd only reply to a friend who is being bamboozled by them | Dec 15 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Dec 15 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | good plan | Dec 15 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 15 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | let the kids mess their own playground | Dec 15 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they try to incite my friends against me | Dec 15 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Old tricks I saw in USENET | Dec 15 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Divide and conquer attempts | Dec 15 22:30 |
| schestowitz | http://ur1.ca/2l2dv | Dec 15 22:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Assange Tells Mom Criticism Won't Stop WikiLeaks Work - World Watch - CBS News .::. Size~: 56.5 KB | Dec 15 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Very nice | Dec 15 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | ya | Dec 15 22:30 |
| schestowitz | He's clever when it comes to how it works... poor lad didn't manage to avoid sex | Dec 15 22:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Dec 15 22:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | sex is every man's problem at some point :D | Dec 15 22:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | either not having it, or having it | Dec 15 22:33 |
| *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell-social | Dec 15 22:33 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: (another topic).. You know, my twitter feed may seem extreme, but i really do consider that my followers have a diversity of views before tweeting ;-) | Dec 15 22:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: for example, just now, i choose not to publicly tweet anti-gun stuff because it's an issue that cuts cross-sectionally through my followers | Dec 15 22:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i suppose you do the same thinking and filtering | Dec 15 22:34 |
| oiaohm | http://www.interoperabilitybridges.com/html5-extension-for-wmp-plugin MS at work again trying to create a platform divide. | Dec 15 22:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Mono is one of those issues, btw | Dec 15 22:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: - Interoperability Bridges and Labs Center .::. Size~: 6.13 KB | Dec 15 22:34 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60493533 | Dec 15 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Laurel Russwurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:26:00 UTC - Identi.ca: @rclayton until today someone who has dented 3 times in months starts to attack @schestowitz and accuse him of lies w/o support | Dec 15 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | LOL https://identi.ca/notice/60493836 | Dec 15 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:32:20 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz O RLY? That's not how DBO felt. Perhaps @jonobacon, @popey or @mdz can bring @DBO over to this discussion and we can ask him. | Dec 15 22:36 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60493992 | Dec 15 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:35:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @laurelrusswurm yes, you're talking to some apparent sockpuppet that tries to incite people against me. Just ignore. | Dec 15 22:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: careful.......... | Dec 15 22:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I really advocate saying less over saying more, every time. | Dec 15 22:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's interesting that ppl consider Assange a charisma, an ego, etc, but they forget that what he really brings to the table is threat analysis and organisation. that's why OpenLeaks is really not going to get far... | Dec 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60494035 | Dec 15 22:39 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:37:06 UTC - Identi.ca: @laurelrusswurm @schestowitz started this mess by slinging baseless accusations | Dec 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Lie again | Dec 15 22:39 |
| schestowitz | BZZZZZZZZZZZT | Dec 15 22:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: drop it... pls. | Dec 15 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 15 22:40 |
| schestowitz | BZZZZZZZZZZZT BZZZZZZZZZZZT BZZZZZZZZZZZT :-) | Dec 15 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | any time is the right time to stop this thread. | Dec 15 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | let them fight it out and look like idiots. | Dec 15 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the ppl who want Assange locked up forever understand why he's valuable. | Dec 15 22:40 |
| schestowitz | symbolic? | Dec 15 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Dec 15 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Or charisma? | Dec 15 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | absolutely not | Dec 15 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Dec 15 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Access to p/w? | Dec 15 22:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | these are the false images | Dec 15 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Dec 15 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | because they know that he came closer than anyone else to beating them with technology | Dec 15 22:41 |
| schestowitz | WHo holds the bank leaks? | Dec 15 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's the key thing here | Dec 15 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | no no no | Dec 15 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | nothing to do with that stuff | Dec 15 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | think ahead! | Dec 15 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | Assange lives for another 40 years. | Dec 15 22:41 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: he got a lot of practice | Dec 15 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes! | Dec 15 22:41 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: ah, that too | Dec 15 22:41 |
| schestowitz | But he looks younger | Dec 15 22:41 |
| schestowitz | More than 10 years older than me | Dec 15 22:41 |
| schestowitz | And he has a lot of experience hacking | Dec 15 22:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's my age | Dec 15 22:42 |
| schestowitz | he know their tricks | Dec 15 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. i find assange easy to understand. | Dec 15 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's my age and background | Dec 15 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Power to him.. | Dec 15 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | so, anywya----- | Dec 15 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | because --> he came closer than anyone else to beating them with technology | Dec 15 22:42 |
| schestowitz | use a condom | Dec 15 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | and if he gets 1 more chance, he WILL beat them | Dec 15 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | they KNOW it, schestowitz | Dec 15 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's why this is an absolute pursuit. | Dec 15 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry, they mess it up too badly | Dec 15 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they CANNOT AFFORD for him to get 1 more chance. | Dec 15 22:43 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what the Chinese will make of the next leak | Dec 15 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe drop some big currencies | Dec 15 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: what you see is naked panic | Dec 15 22:43 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: released with conditions yet/ | Dec 15 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: in the system | Dec 15 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: not afaik | Dec 15 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: why would the system PANIC, schestowitz ? It never did before. | Dec 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | They (WL) say he'll be involved again, but I think they want him handicapped in the authority | Dec 15 22:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not about WL. | Dec 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:43] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: what you see is naked panic | Dec 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Nice term | Dec 15 22:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: think 5-10 years ahead. | Dec 15 22:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if JA does this again, it will be FAR from WL. | Dec 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | They made it stronger | Dec 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Pressing groups together | Dec 15 22:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | his only strategy is to pretend to maintain WL. | Dec 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Anonymous(/b/ 4chan), EFF, NYT, Guardian, WL... | Dec 15 22:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | Anon is a joke. NYT is not part of this! | Dec 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | They harder they squeeeze, the more energy it gets | Dec 15 22:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | why do you and others keep spreading that misinformation> | Dec 15 22:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | the NYT is not involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Dec 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | They have a copy of the leaks I think | Dec 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60494214 | Dec 15 22:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Laurel Russwurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:39:39 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I see what you write. | Dec 15 22:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | they got 'some' via the Guardian. | Dec 15 22:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is quite an important point. | Dec 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I seee... | Dec 15 22:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | NYT is not included in WL's partners , yet everybody keeps repeating that they are. | Dec 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | SO they are fence seaters? | Dec 15 22:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Dec 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Waiting for scoops and then me-tooing? | Dec 15 22:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | NYT is totally corrupt. | Dec 15 22:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's why they're not a partner. | Dec 15 22:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's no point. | Dec 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Let them go broke then | Dec 15 22:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | everybody knows it, schestowitz . i learned it in 2001,2,3 | Dec 15 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Already massively debt saddled | Dec 15 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Bailout imminent | Dec 15 22:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're really the kind of backbone for MSM animal | Dec 15 22:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | NYC establishment. | Dec 15 22:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | mouthpiece for Friedman | Dec 15 22:47 |
| schestowitz | The Pentagon needs a paper that looks like its independent to send its "official" messages | Dec 15 22:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | with a token Krugman | Dec 15 22:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | Krugman's getting to the point where he'll be booted | Dec 15 22:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | (tat's my prediction anyway) | Dec 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Greenwald [sic]? | Dec 15 22:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | hahaha | Dec 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | The Saloon [sic] | Dec 15 22:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | see, really, describing Arianna as a fence sitter is too generous. | Dec 15 22:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | she's chosen sides | Dec 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Ewww... | Dec 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Are E Yannah??? | Dec 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | "I a Yannah!" | Dec 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | "Me too" | Dec 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | "And so is my husband!" | Dec 15 22:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | are you done coding for today? | Dec 15 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 15 22:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz | The Pentagon needs a paper that looks like its independent to send its "official" messages <---- precisely. The NYT is the main disseminator. | Dec 15 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I'll do 3 hours/day at least the rest of the month. | Dec 15 22:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's why i hate this 'NYT is in on WL' myth | Dec 15 22:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they were deliberately excluded | Dec 15 22:51 |
| schestowitz | CNN efused | Dec 15 22:51 |
| schestowitz | JA tried to get them as a partner | Dec 15 22:51 |
| schestowitz | They chickened out | Dec 15 22:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | which speaks volumes. | Dec 15 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Like Wolfie do his hack job | Dec 15 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Bringing hacks to criticise Moore | Dec 15 22:52 |
| schestowitz | And King will bring "alient enthusiasts" | Dec 15 22:52 |
| schestowitz | To distract the masses | Dec 15 22:52 |
| schestowitz | "Look, Jimmy.... the aliens are here, get out of this boring wikileaks with hourglass" | Dec 15 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Its said to see annoymous these days. I remember when they were truly a group with people with attack skills. | Dec 15 22:53 |
| oiaohm | said/sad | Dec 15 22:53 |
| oiaohm | All we are seeing out of them these days is pure amature stuff. | Dec 15 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Maybe part of the plan | Dec 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Arrest 16 y-o... | Dec 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | They could choose anyone | Dec 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | The govt. employs major hackers | Dec 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | They need to catch the stereotypical dude | Dec 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | And regarding the Alex who was caught, in theory is COULD be a plant | Dec 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | In theory | Dec 15 22:54 |
| schestowitz | To scare people who think they are anonymous | Dec 15 22:55 |
| schestowitz | In theory (again) | Dec 15 22:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I laughed when i heard they'd try to hit Amazon. | Dec 15 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Thing here most pro hackers with any skills are between 24 and 36 | Dec 15 22:55 |
| oiaohm | Amazon does have it weaknesses. FurnaceBoy | Dec 15 22:56 |
| oiaohm | But it not something a pack amature tools are going to hit. | Dec 15 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | like u, i don't trust Anon to find them. | Dec 15 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | besides, it's a pointless gesture. they have no coherent politics and no attention span | Dec 15 22:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's just a mob | Dec 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Do we hold the state to be legitimate? http://www.buzzmachine.com/2010/12/13/do-we-hold-the-state-to-be-legitimate/ | Dec 15 22:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Do we hold the state to be legitimate? « BuzzMachine .::. Size~: 28.2 KB | Dec 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Amazon has many servers | Dec 15 22:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: don't aim at the servers aim at the money. | Dec 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Hitting it with scripts and no botnets is a monumental task | Dec 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Dec 15 22:58 |
| MinceR | afaik not all of Anon is untrained. | Dec 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | When botnets attacked twitter some turned to Facebook and slowed it down if not more | Dec 15 22:58 |
| oiaohm | And aiming at the money could ruin visa mastercard and amazon all at the same time. | Dec 15 22:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: crowdsourced I think | Dec 15 22:59 |
| oiaohm | People forget visa and mastercard insure there users against online crime. | Dec 15 22:59 |
| MinceR | except against the ones they commit, apparently | Dec 15 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this video you linked is actually supporting the freefall conclusion. | Dec 15 23:00 |
| oiaohm | There is a huge weakness there that the anomous of old would have hit because they would not cared about the legally side. | Dec 15 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I know Amazon has many servers :) | Dec 15 23:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did u link me to the wrong video? :) | Dec 15 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Amazon servers are decentralised. | Dec 15 23:01 |
| MinceR | it seems that one who cares about what is right can't afford to care about what is legal | Dec 15 23:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes... | Dec 15 23:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: as are google's | Dec 15 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Yep and they tried hitting paypal that lives on google servers | Dec 15 23:01 |
| MinceR | dissent is becoming illegal | Dec 15 23:01 |
| oiaohm | With equally zero effect. | Dec 15 23:02 |
| MinceR | didn't paypal's homepage go down? | Dec 15 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Slow ish until google gave it more allocation. | Dec 15 23:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: they attacked PayPal 's BLOG. | Dec 15 23:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | .....of all things. | Dec 15 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | this was not well reported. | Dec 15 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | not the infrastructure | Dec 15 23:03 |
| MinceR | FurnaceBoy: can be useful to give a message anyway | Dec 15 23:03 |
| oiaohm | They did try other sections of PayPal first. | Dec 15 23:03 |
| oiaohm | With zero effect | Dec 15 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't even know why we bother talking about Anonymous | Dec 15 23:03 |
| oiaohm | The blog was the only part of paypal with any weakness to load. | Dec 15 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah, predictably. | Dec 15 23:04 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: which video? | Dec 15 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Really what annoymous did is useful to google and amazon. | Dec 15 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Tested out how good there stuff is. | Dec 15 23:04 |
| schestowitz | sample set | Dec 15 23:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the one you linked me to. Defends Gage's physics and the freefall conclusion. | Dec 15 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Anonymous: "you're VERY welcome" /sarcasm | Dec 15 23:05 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: no, I posted the orignal | Dec 15 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Then posted a link I found on the way to the video | Dec 15 23:05 |
| schestowitz | blogspot one | Dec 15 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: well, the rebuttal is very well argued. | Dec 15 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and matches what i see in all videos of the collapses | Dec 15 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: even refers to parts of the NIST as agreeing evidentially | Dec 15 23:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the guy dprjones seems unqualified, and its taken apart by an engineer using physics. | Dec 15 23:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: even I know dprjones' math is faulty! | Dec 15 23:07 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60495651 | Dec 15 23:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Laurel Russwurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 23:10:02 UTC - Identi.ca: @rclayton yay! | Dec 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | LOL. Re to: "have it your way, I'm done talking to someone who obvious has no interest in reality" | Dec 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | So maybe this sockpuppet will wake up again next year... or 2012 | Dec 15 23:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/15176673087455233 | Dec 15 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @laurelrusswurm: @rclayton what i've seen over more than a year of reading @schestowitz's dents has not been, yet i'm supposed to believe you over evidence? | Dec 15 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: see? | Dec 15 23:12 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60493533 | Dec 15 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Laurel Russwurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:26:00 UTC - Identi.ca: @rclayton until today someone who has dented 3 times in months starts to attack @schestowitz and accuse him of lies w/o support | Dec 15 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you come out better if you don't jump in the mud. | Dec 15 23:12 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60493343 | Dec 15 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Laurel Russwurm (laurelrusswurm)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:21:28 UTC - Identi.ca: @rclayton I don't know any of these people with the exception of @schestowitz, whom I have only ever seen to behave honorably | Dec 15 23:12 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60494530 | Dec 15 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:46:04 UTC - Identi.ca: @laurelrusswurm yea, because what @schestowitz did to @DBO and dozens of other #mono developers wasn't "meanspirited" | Dec 15 23:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: look at the corner he's painted himself into. | Dec 15 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: now he has less credibility next time he talks | Dec 15 23:13 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60494593 | Dec 15 23:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:47:54 UTC - Identi.ca: @laurelrusswurm what @schestowitz has done to @DBO is bullying, but you seem perfectly ok with his behavior. | Dec 15 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Bullying? | Dec 15 23:13 |
| schestowitz | ORLY? | Dec 15 23:13 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60495256 | Dec 15 23:14 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Ryan Rix (rrix)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 23:03:15 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz didn't the AFP arrest him in the early 90s for criminal hacking? | Dec 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Interesting cause it's true | Dec 15 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Freefall. Measured. 7:30 in http://911debunkers.blogspot.com/2010/05/wtc-free-fall-rebuttal-to-dprjones.html | Dec 15 23:14 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Debunking the Debunkers: WTC Free Fall Rebuttal to dprjones .::. Size~: 115.73 KB | Dec 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: re kissinger vs zuckerberg https://identi.ca/notice/60494773 | Dec 15 23:14 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @dthacker@bluestrain.net (dthacker)'s status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 22:52:00 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Re Kissinger vs MarkZ That's a really tough question. In the end I'd go with Kissinger. | Dec 15 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Dec 15 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Some cells are for couples | Dec 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Wow. THe troll doesn't stop: | Dec 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60495269 | Dec 15 23:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 23:03:25 UTC - Identi.ca: @laurelrusswurm if you were tech savvy, you could find plenty of half-truths and misinformation in @schestowitz's articles on #mono | Dec 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60495523 | Dec 15 23:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 15-Dec-10 23:08:27 UTC - Identi.ca: @laurelrusswurm he shouldn't need to, it is obvious to anyone who tries to verify @schestowitz's claims about #mono | Dec 15 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: 8:12 -- official report admits but does not explain freefall. | Dec 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Nobody even feeds this troll | Dec 15 23:15 |
| schestowitz | He nympings me | Dec 15 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's trolling in the classic mode, yes. | Dec 15 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | designed to draw you out | Dec 15 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | so that you waste energy and reputation on him. | Dec 15 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Well, if you wrestle with a pig you both get muddy | Dec 15 23:17 |
| schestowitz | But only the pig enjoys it | Dec 15 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | exactly | Dec 15 23:17 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/15181577663291392 | Dec 15 23:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz A Mother's Plea: #WikiLeaks Founder No Criminal http://is.gd/iOjKX | Problem is the arrogance of the elite is immeasurable | Dec 15 23:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: YouTube - A Mother's Plea: WikiLeaks Founder No Criminal .::. Size~: 149.77 KB | Dec 15 23:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://twitter.com/#!/qu1j0t3/status/15184801346625536 | Dec 15 23:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @qu1j0t3: MT @RubenBolling #GENIUS #MUSTSEE COMIC: #Wikileaks' Assange goes to prison 4espionage! Who's in his new prison gang?! http://bit.ly/fPHXGS | Dec 15 23:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Tom the Dancing Bug: Julian Assange Goes to Prison For Espionage, and Joins a Gang - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 79.04 KB | Dec 15 23:22 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Dec 15 23:25 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/ "@jonobacon seriously?? there's just no end to your BS,is there?? how bizarre!!! how about persuade canobuntu to improve !gimp & !inkscape?" | Dec 15 23:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Public timeline - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 42.98 KB | Dec 15 23:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | ?! | Dec 15 23:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | who wrote that | Dec 15 23:54 |
| schestowitz | press the URL, it's hard to decipher | Dec 15 23:54 |
| schestowitz | To have top dent sticky | Dec 15 23:54 |
| schestowitz | but opening them is tricky | Dec 15 23:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's no useful url | Dec 15 23:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | that would just go to the home page | Dec 15 23:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | ^^ | Dec 15 23:55 |
| schestowitz | yes | Dec 15 23:56 |
| schestowitz | see sidebar | Dec 15 23:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's popular? | Dec 15 23:56 |
| *FurnaceBoy chex | Dec 15 23:56 | |
| FurnaceBoy | oh! | Dec 15 23:56 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to see the context of this dent | Dec 15 23:56 |
| schestowitz | I can guess | Dec 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Something like jono on photoshop/wine | Dec 15 23:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://identi.ca/conversation/59873512#notice-60485687 | Dec 15 23:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 76.76 KB | Dec 15 23:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | this guy is very angry ............ | Dec 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | THis is why jono avoids arguments | Dec 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | He;s an easy target | Dec 15 23:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure. | Dec 15 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is disliked by many | Dec 15 23:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | context ^^ | Dec 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | jono can be contacted easily, unlike Mark and Mac | Dec 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | And Mac left | Dec 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | He's now attacking GPLv3 | Dec 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I'll write about it tomorrow, hopefully | Dec 15 23:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | coincidentally... my immediate project is a psd -> xcf (gimp) converter, hahahahahahah | Dec 15 23:58 |
| schestowitz | does that not exist in a sense? | Dec 15 23:59 |
| schestowitz | GIMP can save as psd, but I never tried | Dec 15 23:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mean psd->xcf | Dec 15 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay can go back to his mac now | Dec 15 23:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | ppl asked me, bc they have psd's that gimp won't import. | Dec 15 23:59 |
| schestowitz | No need to pretent to be Linux user anymore or feel guilt for using hypePhone | Dec 15 23:59 |
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