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| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: yes I didn't say it wasn't standard. | Dec 19 00:10 |
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| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: as a Content-Type it's vanishingly uncommon | Dec 19 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: for reasons well explained at http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml | Dec 19 00:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting text/plain; charset=utf-8 type | Dec 19 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course the bot will support it sooner or later. | Dec 19 00:11 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60678080 | Dec 19 00:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 19-Dec-10 00:08:04 UTC - Identi.ca: ♺ @silner Looks like lots of people are moving back to !firefox from threads I'm reading > 4.0 will be GREAT | Dec 19 00:13 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/tb/elz1n | Dec 19 00:47 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Visa, Mastercard and PayPal all enable donations to be made to US-registered groups funding illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank in defiance of international law. via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.78 KB | Dec 19 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: that avatar looks well okish on identica, but going to make a better one or not? | Dec 19 00:53 |
| *sebsebseb thought again about maybe loading up Tuxpaint a little while ago, and making something not that good in that, but nah | Dec 19 00:54 | |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: yep | Dec 19 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | stand by | Dec 19 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://advogato.org/person/marnanel/diary/788.html | Dec 19 01:33 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Advogato: Blog for marnanel .::. Size~: 4.95 KB | Dec 19 01:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | I am worried that someone out there is going to go to all the effort of writing a new del.ici.ous. Or more likely several someones, and all the results will be incompatible. As Mark Pilgrim points out, this is a bad idea. Don't do it. | Dec 19 01:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | I'd like to offer a better suggestion. Write something that takes the not-really-XML of the del.icio.us backup format and uploads it line by line to a given identi.ca account. | Dec 19 01:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "The Anonymous web protests over WikiLeaks are the internet equivalent of a mass demonstration. It's a mistake to call them hacking (playful cleverness) or cracking (security breaking). The LOIC program that is being used by the group is prepackaged so no cleverness is needed to run it, and it does not break any computer's security. The protesters have not tried to take | Dec 19 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | control of Amazon's website, or extract any data from MasterCard. They enter through the site's front door, and it just can't cope with the volume. | Dec 19 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://advogato.org/person/proclus/diary/1038.html | Dec 19 01:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Advogato: Blog for proclus .::. Size~: 11.61 KB | Dec 19 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: saw ur dent ... i'm on it... :) | Dec 19 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: might have to eat something first tho | Dec 19 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | let's see | Dec 19 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: ok | Dec 19 01:45 |
| *FurnaceBoy fires up PS | Dec 19 01:45 | |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: altough I am about to send another dent as well to do with it :D | Dec 19 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'll do one based on the idea i had | Dec 19 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Dec 19 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | man, you're a tough client!! | Dec 19 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | no rush though | Dec 19 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | or major rush lol | Dec 19 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: also no I am not paying that well what would be in pound £100 that you told me to pay :D | Dec 19 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 19 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://telegraphics.com.au/~toby/sebsebseb2.png | Dec 19 01:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Error processing the URL | Dec 19 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.telegraphics.com.au/~toby/sebsebseb2.png | Dec 19 01:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Error processing the URL | Dec 19 01:51 |
| Ender2070 | [18:58] <schestowitz> i played warcraft I&II | Dec 19 01:52 |
| Ender2070 | they`re fun | Dec 19 01:52 |
| Ender2070 | DOTA was for WC3 | Dec 19 01:52 |
| Ender2070 | which caused heroes of newerth to be made | Dec 19 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: oh yeah with the first avatar you made me, the first seb, doesn't appear properly most of the time | Dec 19 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a transparent PNG | Dec 19 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | i can make a non-transparent one | Dec 19 01:57 |
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| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: transparant is useauly good, but identica hmm | Dec 19 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | well it shrinks it, so the first seb doesn't show properly a lot of the time, like I was saying | Dec 19 02:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's browser dependent | Dec 19 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Dec 19 02:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | some platforms use high quality resizing and some don't | Dec 19 02:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's hard to work around | Dec 19 02:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | i could give you a smaller original, like 32x32 and see if it works out better | Dec 19 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | probably will | Dec 19 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | wanna try? | Dec 19 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: anyway the dent I am about to do, will do site promotion for your site as well, well kind of | Dec 19 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | you'll see | Dec 19 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: that's kind of you | Dec 19 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | only if people go on the mentioned link though | Dec 19 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | i always appreciate getting the word out about my software | Dec 19 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: right, but not quite like that, you'll see soon though, about to dent :D | Dec 19 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | nearly all of it is free/gpl | Dec 19 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | just need the short url shorted out first | Dec 19 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | haha okay:) | Dec 19 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: there done :D | Dec 19 02:10 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: now if you keep it on the server, if anyone in the future finds that dent or whatever, they could see :d | Dec 19 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | as for eating | Dec 19 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | I haven't eaten properly so far since being awake | Dec 19 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | so I will eat something soon | Dec 19 02:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: that domain isn't going anywhere :) | Dec 19 02:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: wanna try a 32x32 version see if it works better? | Dec 19 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: uhmm yeah ok I guess | Dec 19 02:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: alright stand by | Dec 19 02:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.telegraphics.com.au/~toby/sebsebseb2-48.png | Dec 19 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.telegraphics.com.au/~toby/sebsebseb-48.png | Dec 19 02:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Error processing the URL | Dec 19 02:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Error processing the URL | Dec 19 02:20 |
| sebsebseb | uh two urls? | Dec 19 02:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh wait | Dec 19 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | sorry i forgot to upload | Dec 19 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes old av and new av | Dec 19 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | stand by | Dec 19 02:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok try now | Dec 19 02:28 |
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| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: oh well | Dec 19 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I ended up doing a dent about HumbleBunlde | Dec 19 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah ok avatar stuff | Dec 19 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: anyway neither link word | Dec 19 02:38 |
| sebsebseb | work | Dec 19 02:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | try now please | Dec 19 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | nope | Dec 19 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | not working | Dec 19 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Dec 19 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is ridiculous | Dec 19 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | the two link you just gave | Dec 19 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | i told you i had serious server problems... | Dec 19 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | neither working | Dec 19 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: oh you meant for the website | Dec 19 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | VPS for website, oh | Dec 19 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | everything | Dec 19 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's been driving me nuts | Dec 19 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | i got an unreliable vps | Dec 19 02:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | crashed 1-5 times a day | Dec 19 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: ok | Dec 19 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm | Dec 19 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | sort the server out, you can do avatar later, no big rush | Dec 19 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | likeing the tempory one more now anyway :) | Dec 19 02:42 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: altough for a website, why aren't you using Apache or something like that, or you are? | Dec 19 02:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course i am | Dec 19 02:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | the service itself has been unreliable | Dec 19 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | ok, but your hosting the server youself?? | Dec 19 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | for website | Dec 19 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | i have been running colo for around 8 years. | Dec 19 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | the problems only began when i stopped running it myself. | Dec 19 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | whats colo? | Dec 19 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | and went with a cheaper vps. | Dec 19 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | colo = colocation, you put the server in somebody else's data centre. | Dec 19 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | ah ok | Dec 19 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | well sure some providers better than others, when it comes to these things | Dec 19 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | the problem is they don't come with UNRELIABLE labels. | Dec 19 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | they were as mystified as i was. | Dec 19 02:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | there is no explanation why it's unreliable. | Dec 19 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | just a serious case of bad luck. | Dec 19 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | their other customers don't have this problem. so in the end i asked for another instance | Dec 19 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yeah, Bina Becker rips Hitchens a new one. I don't trust Hitch vs Kissinger either. http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/2010/12/wankers_of_the_week_the_geese_1.html | Dec 19 02:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: News of the Restless: Wankers of the Week: The geese are getting fat .::. Size~: 27.65 KB | Dec 19 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | yeah well neither people or computers are any where near perfect | Dec 19 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Hitchens' position on iraq was / is indefensible. | Dec 19 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: well sure. | Dec 19 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: I have 8 years of good service when I ran it. | Dec 19 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I think schestowitz is sleeping, but sure he will see what you put later I guess | Dec 19 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: this makes me wonder whether VPS is really a good idea. | Dec 19 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: yes | Dec 19 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | if you got a computer that is on all the time, you could host your own Apache server for a website | Dec 19 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | ,but your connection will also need to be good enough, or yep may get problems | Dec 19 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | altough of course on paid hosts sites can go down as well, but they don't tend to | Dec 19 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Paid hosts are normally using multi servers. | Dec 19 03:03 |
| sebsebseb | hi oiaohm | Dec 19 03:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: that's why you use a data centre. | Dec 19 03:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: as i did for the past 8 or more years | Dec 19 03:07 |
| oiaohm | Major issues with selfhosting is people cutting there hardware too light. | Dec 19 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Dec 19 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | i *wish* i had the kind of traffic that would ever lead to such a problem. | Dec 19 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | my hardware was always over-provisioned by a factor of 1,000 | Dec 19 03:08 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have more than 1 server. FurnaceBoy | Dec 19 03:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | no. | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | i just never got that much traffic :) | Dec 19 03:09 |
| oiaohm | Ok too light. | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | too light? | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | no. | Dec 19 03:09 |
| oiaohm | For failures yes it is. | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | i know that. | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've been doing this stuff a loooooooong time. | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | however at the moment i'm not doing commercial hosting. | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | so i can't afford to colocate multiple servers. | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | anyway, | Dec 19 03:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't colo any more. | Dec 19 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | the point of this story is i switched to a supposed 'clustered' vps solution | Dec 19 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | that crashes 5 times a day | Dec 19 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | while my colo machines crashed once in 5 years. | Dec 19 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | so i've certainly found that educational. | Dec 19 03:10 |
| oiaohm | My normal setup is 2 servers for min. | Dec 19 03:10 |
| oiaohm | A prime and a fall over. | Dec 19 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, that's nice. | Dec 19 03:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | that would cost me $230 a month in colo fees. | Dec 19 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | i can't afford that for a personal site. | Dec 19 03:11 |
| oiaohm | I was refering for business. | Dec 19 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | so anyway, i moved to a vps, which is supposedly clustered. see above | Dec 19 03:11 |
| Ender2070 | who did you go with | Dec 19 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: well... i'll tell you, but i don't think it's their fault: http://servernorth.net | Dec 19 03:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Server North Inc. .::. Size~: 2.74 KB | Dec 19 03:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think it was a bad image | Dec 19 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Clustered still has the same problems. | Dec 19 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Yep single image everything dead problem. | Dec 19 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically good setup you want two images. min. | Dec 19 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Ie if one stuffs up you can switch site to backup form until it can be fixed. | Dec 19 03:13 |
| Ender2070 | I use a vps too | Dec 19 03:13 |
| oiaohm | This is all about correctly spent resources. | Dec 19 03:13 |
| Ender2070 | frozenonline.com | Dec 19 03:13 |
| Ender2070 | best prices for bandwidth imo | Dec 19 03:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i think 5 crashes a day is unreasonable. | Dec 19 03:13 |
| Ender2070 | I have pwnage.ca running with frozenonline.com | Dec 19 03:14 |
| Ender2070 | Fedora 14 is my OS | Dec 19 03:14 |
| oiaohm | If it the same image with the same defect yep unreasonble but no reserve image to allow operation while damaged image is repaired kinda leaves you stuffed. | Dec 19 03:14 |
| Ender2070 | SELinux, and all that goodness | Dec 19 03:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | see, that's the thing. the O/S is totally a commodity these days. they're all solid... | Dec 19 03:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | especially on a vps, which eliminates driver issues, mostly | Dec 19 03:14 |
| Ender2070 | true | Dec 19 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it must have been a corrupt image. | Dec 19 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it was extremely frustrating. | Dec 19 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: so yesterday i migrated. | Dec 19 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: to a new one | Dec 19 03:15 |
| Ender2070 | however, with Fedora i`m already familiar with management | Dec 19 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: yes | Dec 19 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: that's my point -- you can choose whatever you like. | Dec 19 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: no penalty | Dec 19 03:15 |
| oiaohm | I like the VPS that allow me to have a mayday image sitting there. FurnaceBoy | Dec 19 03:15 |
| Ender2070 | yeah whatever you`re comfortable using | Dec 19 03:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yeah | Dec 19 03:15 |
| Ender2070 | an OS with btrfs is key too | Dec 19 03:16 |
| Ender2070 | snapshots | Dec 19 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | ZFS | Dec 19 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Dec 19 03:16 |
| Ender2070 | ot zfs | Dec 19 03:16 |
| Ender2070 | beat me | Dec 19 03:16 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 19 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: NILFS2 also takes snapshots. but i don;t know if it can be a root fs | Dec 19 03:16 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: you only get burnt once. | Dec 19 03:16 |
| Ender2070 | I have a fileserver at home with zfs | Dec 19 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right | Dec 19 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: right, i've used zfs for years | Dec 19 03:16 |
| Ender2070 | same here | Dec 19 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: that was my colo machine. Sol10+zfs | Dec 19 03:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: so a crappy vps was quite a shock | Dec 19 03:16 |
| oiaohm | After that you lean you must always have active and fall over. | Dec 19 03:16 |
| Ender2070 | the thing I hate was solaris though | Dec 19 03:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i doubt i can justify that for a personal site. | Dec 19 03:17 |
| Ender2070 | I hated managing it | Dec 19 03:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: no money in it | Dec 19 03:17 |
| Ender2070 | fortunately, zfs doesn`t need much maintanence | Dec 19 03:17 |
| oiaohm | Some VPS groups don't charge extra for fall over image. FurnaceBoy | Dec 19 03:17 |
| Ender2070 | plus, opensolaris consumes a lot of ram | Dec 19 03:18 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: reason OS crashing and being restarted is disruptive to there load blancing. FurnaceBoy | Dec 19 03:18 |
| Ender2070 | I was going to use it for my vps too a few years back | Dec 19 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/better-watch-out.jpg | Dec 19 03:18 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Dec 19 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: worse | Dec 19 03:18 |
| Ender2070 | I can run fedora on 512mb or less | Dec 19 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it killed their whole nodes, sometimes. with long uptimes. | Dec 19 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: yep, easy. | Dec 19 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: wherever they put our image, it would kill their nodes | Dec 19 03:18 |
| Ender2070 | freebsd+zfs might be a good alternative for less resources | Dec 19 03:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: f***ing pain in the a** | Dec 19 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: yep | Dec 19 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | never tried it though | Dec 19 03:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: but sol10 can be made small. | Dec 19 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | sol10 can be yeah | Dec 19 03:19 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: Yep its more costly not to allow you a fall over image that works. | Dec 19 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | opensolaris no | Dec 19 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | at least not out of the box | Dec 19 03:19 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: when something goes wrong with the primary. | Dec 19 03:19 |
| Ender2070 | when I rebuild my fileserver ill probably use freebsd | Dec 19 03:20 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: some of the good ones a new image has to be vetted | Dec 19 03:20 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: before its allowed on line. | Dec 19 03:20 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: near all the other servers. | Dec 19 03:20 |
| Ender2070 | i dont like oracle much | Dec 19 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i need to think about how i deal with this infuture, but i need time to think it over , this was a :"crisis" | Dec 19 03:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i hope it's over for a few months while i get organised. | Dec 19 03:20 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: remember to check out on the fall over image option. | Dec 19 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: my colo was no problem at all. | Dec 19 03:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: k | Dec 19 03:21 |
| oiaohm | I have had colo give me nightmares due to failed rames. | Dec 19 03:21 |
| Ender2070 | I was playing around with openbsd, its pretty cool | Dec 19 03:21 |
| Ender2070 | i would never use it for a desktop though | Dec 19 03:21 |
| oiaohm | vps and colo neither I have had 100 percent from. | Dec 19 03:21 |
| oiaohm | So you have to plan as if they bust. | Dec 19 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yes i'vebeen through that as well. | Dec 19 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i spent months debugging my first colo machine. | Dec 19 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: turned out to be bad RAM. | Dec 19 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: but it was... sigh... a learning experience. | Dec 19 03:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: now i know to rule out ram quickly | Dec 19 03:22 |
| oiaohm | Mine was slightly more evil. | Dec 19 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: there's a big difference b/w colo and vps. | Dec 19 03:23 |
| oiaohm | Bad ram on the sata controller. | Dec 19 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: colo, i had plans, i have a whole spare server. | Dec 19 03:23 |
| Ender2070 | I was watching this very sarcasic `BSD is Dead`presentation | Dec 19 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: vps-- i could do NOTHING except watch. | Dec 19 03:23 |
| Ender2070 | sarcastic | Dec 19 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they had no answerrs. | Dec 19 03:23 |
| Ender2070 | funny stuff | Dec 19 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: moving the instance didn't help, just crashed their nodes. | Dec 19 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they couldn't tell me why | Dec 19 03:23 |
| Ender2070 | one of his points for BSD being dead, was that it didn`t do ASP.NET workloads | Dec 19 03:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: all the cost was mine | Dec 19 03:23 |
| oiaohm | So a bad VPS. | Dec 19 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Dec 19 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | looks like a bad image | Dec 19 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | and looks like a platform bug, too. | Dec 19 03:24 |
| oiaohm | No I mean a bad VPS provider. | Dec 19 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | that isn't normally seen. | Dec 19 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | well what could they do? | Dec 19 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | they don't have resources to debug a $40/month product. | Dec 19 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | better for them to tell me to piss off. | Dec 19 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | the economics of this are backwards. | Dec 19 03:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | :( | Dec 19 03:24 |
| oiaohm | Good ones have the means to switch people in trouble to VPS on a test server. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | they switchd and switched and switched | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | nothing helped. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| oiaohm | Ie so no one else is effected. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | in the end, the cost is mine. to migrate. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| oiaohm | And they know that the test servers are hardware solid. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | in the end they had me practically alone on a box. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | but doesn;t help! | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | doesn't help anyone! | Dec 19 03:25 |
| oiaohm | So leaving that image has to be defective. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | i believe so. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| oiaohm | Good one you get to that point in 24 hours. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | but the resources aren't there to root-cause it. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | sad. | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: no | Dec 19 03:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it dragged on for a whole month or two | Dec 19 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: fucking nightmare after 8 yrs of trouble free colo | Dec 19 03:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | (relatively) | Dec 19 03:26 |
| oiaohm | With the colo with ustable sas controller draged on for 2 and a half years. | Dec 19 03:26 |
| oiaohm | But that one is a little hard to detect. | Dec 19 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | haha | Dec 19 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah | Dec 19 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | i guess it took me 3 months to find the bad RAM. | Dec 19 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | in ~ late 2001 | Dec 19 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | i was in the data centre the day of 9/11 | Dec 19 03:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | the guy even came in and said blab blah blah the world trade centre while i was workin g on the machine | Dec 19 03:27 |
| oiaohm | rackspace expensive I have found insanely good with vps. | Dec 19 03:27 |
| oiaohm | They have it down to about 8 hours from reporting problem with vps not staying up to diagnos | Dec 19 03:28 |
| oiaohm | Its purelly the process they use. FurnaceBoy | Dec 19 03:29 |
| oiaohm | VPS with issues straight to a decated server by self for 8 hours of close watching. | Dec 19 03:30 |
| oiaohm | With the straight up option to break the fall over image on line. | Dec 19 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Now I wish some of the other VPS would take up these policies. FurnaceBoy | Dec 19 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yes i agree | Dec 19 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: in fact | Dec 19 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they could have solved it in 2 hrs and saved me a manual migration | Dec 19 03:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: even just a brute force re-image would have fixed it | Dec 19 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | at fs level | Dec 19 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | well maybe | Dec 19 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Dec 19 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | i guess i couldn't have avoided mucking around | Dec 19 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | anyway just need some time to prepare | Dec 19 03:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | they wern't very proactive it is true. | Dec 19 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | small company. | Dec 19 03:33 |
| oiaohm | If it fails with rackspace in the 8 hours the fall over image is coming on line if you like it or not. | Dec 19 03:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | advantages and disadvantages | Dec 19 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes you are expected to provide the images. | Dec 19 03:33 |
| oiaohm | When you provide a image before it goes into production usage it has a 24 hour test you must pay for. | Dec 19 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Yes this is where rackspace gets expensive. | Dec 19 03:34 |
| oiaohm | But results from it are impressive. | Dec 19 03:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | how much does that cost? | Dec 19 03:34 |
| oiaohm | I don't have my price lists on me. | Dec 19 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Its basically a colo server for 24 hours to test the image. FurnaceBoy | Dec 19 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Its not too bad. | Dec 19 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Small company seams the be universe cover for having bad processes. | Dec 19 03:37 |
| oiaohm | One of the small hosting companies I deal with also does equal good job to rackspace. But they are kinda picky they like to know there clients directly. | Dec 19 03:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes warped having to interview to be allow to use there servers. | Dec 19 03:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, small company, 1 sysadmin. and like i say-- there's no way they can afford to root cause it. | Dec 19 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | so i guess u just have to have a fallback. | Dec 19 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | but impossible to predict this problem. | Dec 19 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can't know if the fallback will behave the same | Dec 19 03:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/#!/newsycombinator/status/16341969802366976 | Dec 19 04:01 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @newsycombinator: Minecraft developer streaming live while coding http://j.mp/95gmd0 | Dec 19 04:01 |
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| FurnaceBoy | http://www.wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html schestowitz | Dec 19 04:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found | Dec 19 04:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.wikileaks.ch/ | Dec 19 04:05 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/_Goblin/statuses/16270944632836096 | Dec 19 07:00 |
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| schestowitz | They look for fights | Dec 19 07:00 |
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| schestowitz | Re: Tip: Browser an Os use in The Netherlands | Dec 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | This is an overview from a popular site in The Netherlands. | Dec 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | It is a country where almost nobody has heard of Linux. | Dec 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2010/12/de_gs_browser_wars_iphone_of_a.html | Dec 19 15:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: GeenStijl : GS Browser Wars. iPhone vs. Android .::. Size~: 182.44 KB | Dec 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | ^^ sent sent to me. | Dec 19 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Jeeeeez! | Dec 19 15:37 |
| schestowitz | I have E-mail... | Dec 19 15:37 |
| schestowitz | For attachment it's totally useless, ISPs drop real messages... | Dec 19 15:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 19 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Last month I was in contact with Prof. Axel, who agreed to send me a set | Dec 19 15:37 |
| schestowitz | of tagged heart images, which he later asked you to send. I worry that | Dec 19 15:37 |
| schestowitz | perhaps it was an E-mail error which prevented this from reaching us. | Dec 19 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Context below. | Dec 19 15:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 19 15:37 |
| schestowitz | E-mail needs to die already | Dec 19 15:37 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/adhimitra_india/status/16527801309990913 | Dec 19 16:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @adhimitra_india: RT @schestowitz: Find an example of someone who said Mono was dangerous and wasn't smeared for it. Just one example. #mono #mccarthyism | Dec 19 16:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/adhimitra_india/status/16528186007363584 | Dec 19 16:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @adhimitra_india: RT @schestowitz: What's the difference between Mono advocates and Stalin?Not much,both ostracise opposition,but Mono folks have no moustache | Dec 19 16:35 |
| schestowitz | "@agentsmith] They charged Assange with sex without condom with 2 women. Wonder if it was at the same time. The guy's my hero, everyday more and more." | Dec 19 16:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Dec 19 16:56 |
| schestowitz | One of the anti-FOSS trolls is now protesting against Wikileaks | Dec 19 16:57 |
| schestowitz | It's one person who harasses me and others | Dec 19 16:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/captain-beefheart-dead-at-age-69-20101217 | Dec 19 16:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://wikileaks.ch/support.html | Dec 19 16:59 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: lefty? | Dec 19 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes, wrongly as usual | Dec 19 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | hehe | Dec 19 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | wrong about one thing, usually wrong about a lot of other things. | Dec 19 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, i won't bother giving my evaluation of the guy here. :) | Dec 19 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | let's just say: triaged | Dec 19 17:07 |
| schestowitz | He's not worth it | Dec 19 17:24 |
| schestowitz | I ignore him | Dec 19 17:24 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't have much life left anyway | Dec 19 17:24 |
| schestowitz | The younger people will do their thing | Dec 19 17:24 |
| Ender2070 | I don't want to comment too much but this time around, he started contacting me without cause | Dec 19 17:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/#!/qu1j0t3/status/16548319782244352 | Dec 19 17:41 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @qu1j0t3: The citizen re-fights WWII, evry JohnWayne & DirtyHarry movie over&over in his head. In lieu of education, movies model the world 4millions. | Dec 19 17:41 |
| Ender2070 | I got a letter from the RCMP telling me to go to Interpol | Dec 19 17:41 |
| Ender2070 | I will be on monday | Dec 19 17:42 |
| schestowitz | "@thistleweb: if you torture me I tell you I am the Queen of England, does not mean I am female or Royal, it just means I tell you what you want me to say" | Dec 19 17:42 |
| Ender2070 | This was a few months ago, I wanted to just drop it but he started it up again and went to Fedora leadership | Dec 19 17:42 |
| Ender2070 | Said I was racist, sexist and homophobic | Dec 19 17:43 |
| Ender2070 | I gave him a final warning and he threw legal threats back | Dec 19 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: wow | Dec 19 17:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: he's clearly unstable | Dec 19 17:44 |
| Ender2070 | clearly, if he had a case where I was in the wrong, he would have been able to call Interpol on me | Dec 19 17:44 |
| Ender2070 | its just idle threats and trying to ruin my life some more | Dec 19 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Threats as weapon | Dec 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft and FUD | Dec 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | If it upsets people, doesn't matter what actually happens aside from it | Dec 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | People like him should be locked up like Hannibal | Dec 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | They become rogue element in society, a burden and a parasite | Dec 19 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Heh. "@thistleweb: maybe Dubya should be "interrogated" into confessing about the lies over Iraq, then jailed over his "confession" #Manning #wikileaks | Dec 19 17:49 |
| schestowitz | ^been suggested before | Dec 19 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | quite | Dec 19 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | Bush didn't even need waterboarding to put his confession in his book. | Dec 19 17:50 |
| Ender2070 | he was even defending the FSF | Dec 19 17:54 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Dec 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | And attacking Wikileaks now | Dec 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | It figures | Dec 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | It's not his fault he's inherently evil. :-D | Dec 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sinaisix/status/16549718951731201 | Dec 19 17:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @sinaisix: RT @schestowitz: Ask @BillGates to drop his investment in experiments on Nigerian kids for profit from #Pfizer patents http://is.gd/j1ijt | Dec 19 17:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: WikiLeaks Cables: Pfizer Targeted Nigerian Attorney General to Undermine Suit over Fatal Drug Tests .::. Size~: 63.85 KB | Dec 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ghabuntu/status/16549716619689984 | Dec 19 17:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @ghabuntu: RT @schestowitz: Ask @BillGates to drop his investment in experiments on Nigerian kids for profit from #Pfizer patents http://is.gd/j1ijt | Dec 19 17:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: WikiLeaks Cables: Pfizer Targeted Nigerian Attorney General to Undermine Suit over Fatal Drug Tests .::. Size~: 63.85 KB | Dec 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Africans notice what Gates does therwe.... | Dec 19 17:57 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60711904 | Dec 19 18:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 19-Dec-10 17:54:46 UTC - Identi.ca: "BOA online banking [...] Linux users are not included." http://is.gd/j04PR #BankofAmwerica !gnu !linux #whitecollar #crime | Dec 19 18:00 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/aveeksen/status/16557206329630720 | Dec 19 18:59 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @aveeksen: @maymaym @schestowitz But Australia is defending Assange now? | Dec 19 18:59 |
| Ender2070 | http://abcnews.go.com/Business/LegalCenter/story?id=7677327&page=1 | Dec 19 19:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: World's Most Litigious Man Suing Guinness Book of World Records? - ABC News .::. Size~: 76.46 KB | Dec 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/16568444212219904 | Dec 19 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @schestowitz: @aveeksen Australia hardly does a thing.And the UK is not helping its own citizen,Bradley Manning.They have "special relationship" w/ the US | Dec 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: ha! | Dec 19 19:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Canada never lifted a finger to help its citizens in US detention | Dec 19 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and also, in general, has been ignoring citizens in foreign difficulty | Dec 19 19:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's an outrage | Dec 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | yup | Dec 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | UK too | Dec 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | See Gary.. | Dec 19 19:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Dec 19 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | I guess WL may shed some light on Gary | Dec 19 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: try those links again pls | Dec 19 19:27 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: where? | Dec 19 19:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | where what | Dec 19 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Gary in cablegate | Dec 19 19:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | FurnaceBoy | http://www.telegraphics.com.au/~toby/sebsebseb2-48.png | Dec 19 19:33 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Dec 19 19:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | FurnaceBoy | http://www.telegraphics.com.au/~toby/sebsebseb-48.png | Dec 19 19:33 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Dec 19 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I think the guardian had something | Dec 19 19:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: 'maybe' | Dec 19 19:33 |
| schestowitz | But I'm not sure what it was not | Dec 19 19:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i don't know. just hoping. | Dec 19 19:33 |
| schestowitz | *now | Dec 19 19:33 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I think there was | Dec 19 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Some cable abt Gordon | Dec 19 19:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/16571394225606656 | Dec 19 19:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @qu1j0t3: .@quadricode Re #TSA lets .40 calibre loaded handgun on plane http://identi.ca/conversation/60054835#notice-60670690 #dhs via @schestowitz | Dec 19 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | thanks for the RTs | Dec 19 19:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh, np. | Dec 19 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | thank you too | Dec 19 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's been an intense week. | Dec 19 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | i even got trolled for anti war views | Dec 19 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | some guy with absolutely idiotic talking points | Dec 19 19:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've come close to blocking him before | Dec 19 19:36 |
| schestowitz | The pro-war people need to go to the woodwork now | Dec 19 19:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | i get very few. | Dec 19 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Tides turning | Dec 19 19:38 |
| schestowitz | WL criticis being silent | Dec 19 19:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | i hope so, schestowitz | Dec 19 19:38 |
| schestowitz | "Sympathisers" almost the norm now | Dec 19 19:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | i really hope things are changing. but i think twitter and identica give a false impression of change. | Dec 19 19:38 |
| schestowitz | I saw it yesterday at the restaurant | Dec 19 19:38 |
| schestowitz | It's becoming unethical to oppose WL | Dec 19 19:39 |
| schestowitz | The moral high ground turned as the 'war' in Iraq is shown for the farce it is | Dec 19 19:39 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: sure, cause people who microblog use TV less to be informed | Dec 19 19:39 |
| schestowitz | So the bubble of info is less mainstream-ed | Dec 19 19:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | plus we tend to listen to people who share our views. | Dec 19 19:41 |
| schestowitz | -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is schestowitz with 158 dents! | Dec 19 19:41 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: that too | Dec 19 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Media mashups | Dec 19 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Do what I do an go after the "LALALALALA I don't wanna know" crowd | Dec 19 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Persistence pays off | Dec 19 19:42 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60716025 | Dec 19 19:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @agentsmith's status on Sunday, 19-Dec-10 19:41:12 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Pot is not that bad. Pot smokers don't have heart diseases, did u know ? | Dec 19 19:49 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60716277 | Dec 19 19:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 19-Dec-10 19:48:27 UTC - Identi.ca: @agentsmith that's an unpopular opinion, you see? | Dec 19 19:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | right. Disease = profit. | Dec 19 19:50 |
| schestowitz | War=construction | Dec 19 19:55 |
| MinceR | War is Peace | Dec 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Is that why Obama and Kissinger farted their way into Nobel prize for peace? | Dec 19 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: War is 'rebuilding' | Dec 19 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: like colonialism | Dec 19 19:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Terra Nullius | Dec 19 20:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: 'oh there was nothing and nobody there before' | Dec 19 20:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: 'let's start building malls' | Dec 19 20:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: 'brown people aren't really people' | Dec 19 20:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: israel/palestine | Dec 19 20:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: settler versus incumbent | Dec 19 20:01 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60716641 | Dec 19 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 19-Dec-10 19:59:57 UTC - Identi.ca: Why are so many Nobel prizes for peace being given for initiators of state-sponsored terrorism? Just look at the list. Seriously. Look. | Dec 19 20:01 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: "they hate us cause we have McDonalds" | Dec 19 20:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | um, yes. | Dec 19 20:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | "You can have McDonald's too! We just have to carpet bomb your city flat first." | Dec 19 20:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: where are the pictures of post-invasion Baghdad and Fallujah? (and the rest) | Dec 19 20:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | where are the pictures????????????????????? | Dec 19 20:02 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60716737 | Dec 19 20:03 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 19-Dec-10 20:02:01 UTC - Identi.ca: Mea culpa. I totally forgot what Mr. Nobel had actually invented... | Dec 19 20:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL! | Dec 19 20:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | touche | Dec 19 20:03 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60716762 | Dec 19 20:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 19-Dec-10 20:02:57 UTC - Identi.ca: War is peace. Freedom is treason. | Dec 19 20:04 |
| MinceR | Freedom is Slavery | Dec 19 20:04 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60716802 | Dec 19 20:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 19-Dec-10 20:04:27 UTC - Identi.ca: Intercourse is a crime. Please stop reproducing. Thank you. Have a lovely day. http://is.gd/iYOvT | Dec 19 20:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Julian Assange furore deepens as new details emerge of sex crime allegations | Media | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 101.32 KB | Dec 19 20:05 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/60716827 | Dec 19 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Luke Slater (reality)'s status on Sunday, 19-Dec-10 20:05:12 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Freason? | Dec 19 20:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: what's the new furore, in short? no time to read | Dec 19 20:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-youtube-terror-20101213,0,3375845.story "[PJ: Because if there's one thing we can rely on the mob to get right, it's the First Amendment. Snort.]" | Dec 19 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube is letting users decide on terrorism-related videos - latimes.com .::. Size~: 185.69 KB | Dec 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: didn't see it | Dec 19 20:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you just dented it | Dec 19 20:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Julian Assange furore deepens as new details emerge of sex crime allegations" | Dec 19 20:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | what's the 1line summary? | Dec 19 20:25 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Groklaw posts a lot in favour of Wikileaks | Dec 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | It has good links now | Dec 19 20:29 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I might confuse this with another article | Dec 19 20:30 |
| schestowitz | They start going into the files now | Dec 19 20:30 |
| schestowitz | And the girl's mock Julian's potence | Dec 19 20:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.voanews.com/english/news/WikiLeaks-Founder-Assange-Defends-Whistle-Blowing-Website-111851709.html | Dec 19 20:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: VOA | Sweden Appeals British Bail for 'WikiLeaks' Founder | News | English .::. Size~: 289.73 KB | Dec 19 20:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | i saw the 68 pp report was released | Dec 19 20:30 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: interesting. i know a crApple fanboy who rabidly hates wikileaks | Dec 19 20:30 |
| MinceR | claims states are "entitled" to their secrets | Dec 19 20:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Dec 19 20:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | obviously he's never been arrested detained without charge and tortured to death yet | Dec 19 20:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's still time. | Dec 19 20:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | what a fucking idiot. | Dec 19 20:33 |
| *FurnaceBoy blames Murdoch | Dec 19 20:33 | |
| schestowitz | [20:31] <MinceR> claims states are "entitled" to their secrets | Dec 19 20:40 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Dec 19 20:40 |
| schestowitz | How many skeletons in this freak's closet? | Dec 19 20:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Dec 19 20:43 |
| schestowitz | spam account? https://twitter.com/Zappos_Service/status/16585830827032576 | Dec 19 20:43 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Zappos_Service: @schestowitz Love your photo gallery Dr.! http://bit.ly/fBukpT | Dec 19 20:43 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: schestowitz.com » Photos :: Room view on December 16th, 2004 :: DSC00023 .::. Size~: 12.75 KB | Dec 19 20:43 |
| schestowitz | "Zappos_Service" | Dec 19 20:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/#!/Zappos_Service/ | Dec 19 20:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Zappos.com (Zappos_Service) on Twitter .::. Size~: 50.41 KB | Dec 19 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Looks like some crap*y PR agency | Dec 19 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2010/12/big-law-partners-to-testify-about-wikileaks.html | Dec 19 20:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Big Law Partners to Testify About WikiLeaks - The BLT: The Blog of Legal Times .::. Size~: 66.56 KB | Dec 19 20:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://twitter.com/#!/afkoning/status/16595848888586240 | Dec 19 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @afkoning: @qu1j0t3 I think that a democratic iraq and afghanistan are both good things torture is always bad & shld be punished. Drone stkes fine | Dec 19 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: spot all the false assumptions | Dec 19 21:00 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Dec 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | brainwash says drones always hits target | Dec 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | "smart" missiles | Dec 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | But HEY | Dec 19 21:18 |
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| schestowitz | They always hit Arabs those bombsa | Dec 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | "the bad guys" /sarcasm | Dec 19 21:19 |
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| FurnaceBoy | yeah but the targets are wrong anyway | Dec 19 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Dec 19 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | thre's no end to this | Dec 19 21:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | why are US drones shooting foreigners at random again? | Dec 19 21:21 |
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| FurnaceBoy | well, that's pretty much the best any apologist can do. | Dec 19 21:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | "They get Arabs. Who cares which ones?" | Dec 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | [21:18] <schestowitz> hehe | Dec 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:18] <schestowitz> brainwash says drones always hits target | Dec 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:18] <schestowitz> "smart" missiles | Dec 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:18] <schestowitz> But HEY | Dec 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:18] <schestowitz> They always hit Arabs those bombsa | Dec 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:19] <schestowitz> "the bad guys" /sarcasm | Dec 19 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | -tomaw_- [Global Notice] Hi, sorry for the noise. A quick be of re-routing due to the issues a few days ago and some upcoming server maintenance. | Dec 19 21:32 |
| MinceR | they hit brown people, so it's all good | Dec 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | [21:21] <FurnaceBoy> why are US drones shooting foreigners at random again? | Dec 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Mission accomplished | Dec 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | it terrorises the terrorists | Dec 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | The human toll is high | Dec 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | PR toll low | Dec 19 21:33 |
| MinceR | the planet is overpopulated anyway | Dec 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Cause the media in these countries is minuscule and corrupted | Dec 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | So people learn Yemen news from NYT, aka Pentagonpress | Dec 19 21:34 |
| schestowitz | http://googlecode.blogspot.com/2010/12/windowbuilder-becomes-new-open-source.html | Dec 19 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2010/12/porn-copyright-cases.html | Dec 19 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | "Three freshmen Republican members of the Iowa House are drafting legislation that would begin the process of impeachment for the remaining four justices on the state Supreme Court over a 2009 ruling that legalized same-sex marriage...." | Dec 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://iowaindependent.com/49220/gop-lawmakers-drafting-legislation-to-impeach-supeme-court-justices | Dec 19 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: GOP lawmakers drafting legislation to impeach Supreme Court justices | Iowa Independent .::. Size~: 88.91 KB | Dec 19 21:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nj.com/entertainment/arts/index.ssf/2010/12/smithsonians_decision_to_remov.html | Dec 19 21:54 |
| schestowitz | P[rudes | Dec 19 21:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Smithsonian's decision to remove a controversial video makes censorship a hot topic | NJ.com .::. Size~: 72.04 KB | Dec 19 21:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://twitter.com/#!/qu1j0t3/status/16641971598655488 | Dec 19 23:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @qu1j0t3: By any argument justifying drones overseas,any country thus attacked can justify hunting US cits on US soil. Apologists wd liek them apples? | Dec 19 23:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | exceptionalists need not bother responding. | Dec 19 23:57 |
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