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FurnaceBoyhttp://yfrog.com/hs2i4fjDec 21 00:06
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Yfrog Photo : yfrog.com/hs2i4fj - Shared by dlsspy .::. Size~: 39.45 KBDec 21 00:06
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/#!/Jnoubiyeh/status/17003358011269120Dec 21 00:07
TechrightsBot-sc@Jnoubiyeh: Latest update from a local radio: 7 strikes on #Gaza tonight, 3 injured, one is critical. #Palestine (Via @LiveFromGaza)Dec 21 00:07
FurnaceBoy^^ state terror.Dec 21 00:07
FurnaceBoycan anyone IMAGINE living in those conditions?Dec 21 00:07
schestowitzTerrorismDec 21 00:07
schestowitzNetanyahoo! and his gang didn't get it on last nightDec 21 00:08
schestowitzAnyway, I'm off to bedDec 21 00:08
FurnaceBoyniteDec 21 00:08
FurnaceBoywatching saganDec 21 00:08
schestowitzMay the idiots who run that government have a cluster tumour expand in their headDec 21 00:09
FurnaceBoy+1Dec 21 00:09
FurnaceBoyDUDec 21 00:09
FurnaceBoylike they're sprinkling on palestiniansDec 21 00:09
FurnaceBoyif they could choose not to have their children shot and injured by phosphorus grenadesDec 21 00:09
FurnaceBoydo u tink the zionist leadership would?Dec 21 00:10
FurnaceBoyaren;t they luckyDec 21 00:10
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: remember the bubble popping discussion?Dec 21 06:22
schestowitzFinancial one?Dec 21 06:22
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/17051598630952960Dec 21 06:22
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / FFII e.V.: @schestowitz It's like: Wh ... .::. Size~: 12.87 KBDec 21 06:22
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/17052448908640256Dec 21 06:22
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / FFII e.V.: @schestowitz FRAND as FOSS ... .::. Size~: 12.82 KBDec 21 06:22
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/17053132131401729Dec 21 06:23
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / FFII e.V.: @schestowitz No, #eif is n ... .::. Size~: 12.98 KBDec 21 06:23
schestowitz"@schestowitz It's like: Why not kill babies when they're going to die anyway?"Dec 21 06:23
schestowitz"@schestowitz FRAND as FOSS-compatible; FRAND which is FOSS compatible -- you see the difference?"Dec 21 06:23
schestowitz"@schestowitz No, #eif is not perfect but offers 3 attack vectors for a start. dedefine FRAND, define FOSS-compatible RAND, define FOSS"Dec 21 06:23
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/17053691785773056 "@schestowitz Would be bad if EIF-FOSS would exclude GPL, no? ~ 70% of all Foss is GPL ;-)"Dec 21 06:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / FFII e.V.: @schestowitz Would be bad ... .::. Size~: 12.81 KBDec 21 06:24
schestowitzme: "@ffii it's like with ACTA -- they mess up the doc so much that once they make some small concession you're supposed to view it a reasonable"Dec 21 06:25
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: morningDec 21 06:27
schestowitzo/Dec 21 06:30
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: guess who sponsors cluster bombs too?Dec 21 07:46
schestowitzhttp://movies.ndtv.com/movie_story.aspx?Section=Movies&ID=ENTEN20100163658&subcatg=MOVIESINDIA&keyword=hollywood&nid=73389Dec 21 07:46
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  Spielberg banned in Middle East after Israel war donation  .::. Size~: 72.54 KBDec 21 07:46
schestowitzhttp://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/syria-blames-israel-for-top-general-s-assassination-wikileaks-cable-reveals-1.331782Dec 21 07:47
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Syria blames Israel for top general's assassination, WikiLeaks cable reveals - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News .::. Size~: 76.22 KBDec 21 07:47
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/60800842Dec 21 08:25
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-10 07:59:42 UTC - Identi.ca: Here's A Video Of #Unigine OilRush On !Linux  http://is.gd/j83cFDec 21 08:25
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: [Phoronix] Here's A Video Of Unigine OilRush On Linux .::. Size~: 19.25 KBDec 21 08:25
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/60801943Dec 21 08:26
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-10 08:22:22 UTC - Identi.ca: ♻ @dpic My New Year's resolution is "a unique password for everything, and encryption wherever possible". What's yours? http://nd.gd/e9Dec 21 08:26
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: My New Year's resolution is "A unique password for everything, and encryption wherever possible". What's yours? : HackBloc .::. Size~: 45.04 KBDec 21 08:26
schestowitz"@carlopiana: #JHTC! all this confidentiality is killing me. I cannot spill guts and shut down a number of false voices or even expose them as false #rant"Dec 21 09:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Peace0310/status/17135659290468352Dec 21 09:14
TechrightsBot-sc@Peace0310: @schestowitz Deathly hazards faced by Tibetans seeking exile from Chinese occupied Tibet http://twitpic.com/2a3wxe/full inhuman Nepal Govt.Dec 21 09:14
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schestowitz"@thistleweb: copyright infringement or plagiarism must be easier to get away with behind a #paywall, with a LOT fewer people to potentially notice"Dec 21 10:44
MinceR:>Dec 21 10:44
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/17160125034795009Dec 21 10:44
TechrightsBot-sc@glynmoody: @schestowitz no, it was old: for some reason they ran a story from last year.  presumably they've taken it downDec 21 10:44
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yep. Never liked the guy; he's just one of the propagandists. So much for "Schindler's List"; guess it didn't really sink in.Dec 21 16:04
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/#!/BinaBecker/status/17248687528869888Dec 21 16:08
TechrightsBot-sc@BinaBecker: #Wikileaks: There's (no longer) an app for that... http://su.pr/5OIMtM I still love my Macs, but srsly, this SUCKS.Dec 21 16:08
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: which guy?Dec 21 16:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/DanaBlankenhorn/status/17228557507887105Dec 21 16:31
TechrightsBot-sc@DanaBlankenhorn: @schestowitz Interoperability means working with what exists, what American stakeholders are pushing. Troll is in the eye of the beholderDec 21 16:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FFII/status/17227009008599041Dec 21 16:31
TechrightsBot-sc@FFII: @schestowitz Don't forget that the concession here is the FRAND language.Dec 21 16:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: SpielbergDec 21 16:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: could Jemima Khan be Uk's arianna huffington? just wondering (no particular evidence)Dec 21 17:08
schestowitzOh, himDec 21 17:14
schestowitzHe believes in some whacky thingsDec 21 17:14
schestowitzSkeptoid did an episode about himDec 21 17:14
FurnaceBoyformerly Jemima GoldsmithDec 21 17:25
schestowitzI didn't know her dad was a financier  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemima_KhanDec 21 17:39
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Jemima Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 102.27 KBDec 21 17:39
schestowitzSome idiot has been libelling me for a week now.. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.os2.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/e21245decc3b1702/77a164551f027e3cDec 21 17:40
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  Off-topic crap in rec.arts.tv - comp.os.os2.advocacy | Google Groups  .::. Size~: 128.32 KBDec 21 17:40
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Goldsmith "The Goldschmidts, like their neighbors and relatives the Rothschilds, had been prosperous merchant bankers in Frankfurt, Germany since the 16th century. "Dec 21 17:42
TechrightsBot-scTitle: James Goldsmith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 63.49 KBDec 21 17:42
schestowitz"Goldsmith died at 64 of a heart attack brought about by pancreatic cancer."Dec 21 17:43
schestowitzBasically a dynasty of money lenders. What about Huffington?Dec 21 17:43
schestowitzWHOA!Dec 21 17:44
schestowitzShe was "A popular conservative commentator in the mid-1990s"Dec 21 17:44
schestowitzGOP?Dec 21 17:44
schestowitzRepublican/conservative have many parallelsDec 21 17:44
schestowitz"Huffington was born Arianna Stassinopoulous in Athens, Greece, the daughter of Konstantinos (a journalist and management consultant) and Elli (née Georgiadi) Stassinopoulous, and is the sister of Agapi (an author, speaker and performer)."Dec 21 17:44
schestowitzI didn't realise she was 60... maybe lots of nip and tuck, who knows...Dec 21 17:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Arianna married money in the person of Michael Huffington. (surprising that isn't mentioned?)Dec 21 17:45
FurnaceBoy(or not surprising?)Dec 21 17:45
schestowitzAnyway, she comes from a not-all-that-privileged backgroundDec 21 17:45
FurnaceBoyright, but she married into one!Dec 21 17:45
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: oh, I see...Dec 21 17:45
FurnaceBoydoesn't everybody know that?Dec 21 17:45
schestowitzSo she married influenceDec 21 17:46
FurnaceBoyyes!Dec 21 17:46
FurnaceBoyand moneyDec 21 17:46
schestowitzLet me read on...Dec 21 17:46
schestowitzWho's he?Dec 21 17:46
schestowitzLOLOLOLODec 21 17:46
schestowitzOIL dudeDec 21 17:46
FurnaceBoyright!Dec 21 17:46
schestowitzAnd she pretends to be for the people..Dec 21 17:46
FurnaceBoyNow do you see where my scepticism comes from?Dec 21 17:46
schestowitz"He was a member of the Republican Party"Dec 21 17:46
FurnaceBoyi thought everybody knew she was nobody from greece who married money in USADec 21 17:46
schestowitzNice to knowDec 21 17:46
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_HuffingtonDec 21 17:46
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Michael Huffington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 57.3 KBDec 21 17:46
schestowitz"Buy our oil, get arms"Dec 21 17:47
schestowitzI thought she was Ukranian or something, but that doesn't matterDec 21 17:47
schestowitzI also knew she was in some political familyDec 21 17:48
schestowitzBut she plays the role of 'for the people'Dec 21 17:48
schestowitzHer family is clearly 'for the corps'Dec 21 17:48
schestowitzRight for the corps, at expense of peopleDec 21 17:48
schestowitz'liberty' to companiesDec 21 17:48
schestowitzSpreading Freedom in other country (and we all know what that means)pDec 21 17:48
FurnaceBoy'plays role of for the people'?Dec 21 17:49
FurnaceBoyyes. but you have analysed it further, haven't you?Dec 21 17:49
FurnaceBoyhow Fox and HP are a tag team?Dec 21 17:49
FurnaceBoyFox writes the headlines, HP amplifies themDec 21 17:49
FurnaceBoyHP went tabloid the Murdoch mouldDec 21 17:50
FurnaceBoyfew people call them out on that;Dec 21 17:50
FurnaceBoy"oh, it's the only way we can get eyeballs"Dec 21 17:50
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAfQhQJOquADec 21 17:51
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  YouTube - Auto-Tune the News #7: texting. rhyming. pat buchanan fail.  .::. Size~: 151.35 KBDec 21 17:51
schestowitzYour hero...Dec 21 17:51
schestowitzBut HP has some OK articles hosted thereDec 21 17:51
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yes, but that doesn't change the systemic issue!Dec 21 17:53
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: NYT prints Krugman!Dec 21 17:53
schestowitzI love Couric's voiceDec 21 17:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: It snowed this year; climate change a myth?Dec 21 17:54
schestowitzLOLDec 21 17:54
schestowitzYes, it isDec 21 17:54
FurnaceBoy:)Dec 21 17:54
schestowitzSays FoxDec 21 17:54
schestowitzAnd Lord Munkton [spelling]Dec 21 17:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: well, maybe Arianna is really a progressive working in the interests of America's poor. But it would be a first.Dec 21 17:54
schestowitzQuacks galoreDec 21 17:54
schestowitzFox amplifies the lieDec 21 17:54
schestowitzAnd now there's leak to show it's part of their agenda to lieDec 21 17:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: we can ask a real poverty expert whether Arianna is helping.Dec 21 17:55
schestowitzGood for Arianna's hunsbandDec 21 17:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: remember there is a "right wing school" on poverty.Dec 21 17:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: for example, "the cycle of poverty".Dec 21 17:55
schestowitzBernie Sanders cited Arianna :-)Dec 21 17:55
schestowitzHer book...Dec 21 17:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the system creates this cycle, then points to it as a fact of life.Dec 21 17:55
schestowitzSad...Dec 21 17:55
schestowitzThen GatesDec 21 17:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i am sure he didDec 21 17:55
schestowitzAnd BuffettDec 21 17:55
FurnaceBoyright... NOW YOU SEE what she's FOR!!!!!!!Dec 21 17:55
FurnaceBoywho would they cite if she wasn't there? CHOMSKY?Dec 21 17:56
schestowitzWhile talking about how bankers are 'crooks'Dec 21 17:56
FurnaceBoysee?????Dec 21 17:56
schestowitzIn congressDec 21 17:56
FurnaceBoyHOW convenient.Dec 21 17:56
schestowitzUncensoredDec 21 17:56
FurnaceBoy"Arianna, write us a book we can cite."Dec 21 17:56
schestowitzThen praising Goldman Sachs investor...Dec 21 17:56
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: you're just so angry and jealous !!Dec 21 17:56
schestowitz"When you have Arianna's kind of dough, we'll talk"Dec 21 17:57
schestowitz"[or listen to you]"Dec 21 17:57
schestowitz["or give you a column as guest in Arianna's site, which she can't run or set up"]Dec 21 17:57
schestowitzThe "Huffington" brand... bringing your car YUMMY YUMMY oils since....[YEAR]Dec 21 17:58
FurnaceBoypretty much.Dec 21 17:58
FurnaceBoyit's a very convenient injection point to the demographic that's too Left for Fox but too Right for the truth.Dec 21 17:58
schestowitzWhich is good for news?Dec 21 18:00
schestowitzI know it's broad questionDec 21 18:00
schestowitzSay you go on vacation, not your PC with RSS feedsDec 21 18:00
schestowitzWhich site for being informed?Dec 21 18:00
schestowitzI hardly trust many of the big news orgs for political newsDec 21 18:00
schestowitzPolitical is never objectiveDec 21 18:01
schestowitzIt's not "scientific journalism" like Wikileaks calls itDec 21 18:01
schestowitzWhere like in papers where you have empirical evidence you MUST cite sources (raw data) and now just lay out paragraphs citing other news sources, briefed by army or whateverDec 21 18:01
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/60829791Dec 21 18:13
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-10 18:06:31 UTC - Identi.ca: I was preparing some screencasts for a colleague today and found out that #Firefox as an #Ogg player is more reliable than anything else.Dec 21 18:13
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/#!/therealfitz/status/17282642089091072Dec 21 18:21
TechrightsBot-sc@therealfitz: Honest question: Why do engineers think that they can comprehend and interpret the law around issues of IP, copyright, and trademarks?Dec 21 18:21
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I no longer read the HP.Dec 21 18:22
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and I've avoided the NYT since 2003Dec 21 18:22
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it makes me nauseousDec 21 18:22
schestowitzI don't read it either, but what happens when people link to it?Dec 21 18:25
schestowitzIt's not a news siteDec 21 18:25
schestowitzIt hosts copies of stuff mostlyDec 21 18:25
schestowitzEven APDec 21 18:25
schestowitzSO I'm not sure what HP 'as a source' actually isDec 21 18:26
schestowitzIt's more like a platform that selects, a bit like Yahoooo! NoozDec 21 18:26
FurnaceBoyright, but it selects from Fox obsessions.Dec 21 18:34
FurnaceBoyso the effect is amplificationDec 21 18:34
FurnaceBoyi believe this is a deliberate tacticDec 21 18:34
FurnaceBoyand the reason that's an easy inference,Dec 21 18:35
FurnaceBoyis because we already know how Murdoch tabloid media work.Dec 21 18:35
FurnaceBoyby inflaming irrelevancies as far as they can.Dec 21 18:35
FurnaceBoyso you can see how HP is an important linkDec 21 18:35
FurnaceBoyit's a conduit into a new demographic which is not quite fucked up enough for Fox itselfDec 21 18:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it doesn't matter whether you are NODDING FURIOUSLY at Fox, or reading HP and Tsk Tsking furiously.Dec 21 18:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the point is that you're not looking at the elephants in the room.Dec 21 18:36
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/#!/qu1j0t3/status/17287539580735489Dec 21 18:40
TechrightsBot-sc@qu1j0t3: Whether u r NODDING in agreement at #Fox, or readng HuffPo &TSKTSKING furiously; point is u're DISTRACTED from elephants @ yr dining table.Dec 21 18:40
schestowitzHehDec 21 18:51
schestowitzGOod pointDec 21 18:51
schestowitzThat's why I don't read sites that feed trolls muhDec 21 18:51
schestowitzThey only help them get the message acrossDec 21 18:51
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/09/afghan-women-abuse-united-nationsDec 21 18:53
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  Afghan women still suffer horrendous abuse, says United Nations report | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 87.32 KBDec 21 18:53
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/dec/10/barack-obama-us-politics "I'm a natural party loyalist, but I'm beginning to think Obama has as much contempt for us as the Republicans do for him"Dec 21 18:57
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  A disappointed Democrat? You bet | Clancy Sigal | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 232.87 KBDec 21 18:57
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: HP example http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/08/wikileaks-reveals-that-mi_n_793816.htmlDec 21 18:59
TechrightsBot-scTitle: WikiLeaks Reveals That Military Contractors Have Not Lost Their Taste For Child Prostitutes .::. Size~: 348.16 KBDec 21 18:59
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/10/us-ban-staff-wikileaks-officialDec 21 19:00
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  Ban on federal staff reading WikiLeaks hampering work, says US official | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 91.11 KBDec 21 19:00
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: sureDec 21 19:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i know they print that stuffDec 21 19:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's one story i don't think has any legs in USADec 21 19:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i think sometimes they pick stories they know won't go anywhereDec 21 19:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's tokenismDec 21 19:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the NYT is doing it tooDec 21 19:05
schestowitzReligion is sheer racism and hatred: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3995724,00.htmlDec 21 19:05
TechrightsBot-scTitle: 50 municipal rabbis: Don't rent flats to Arabs - Israel Jewish Scene, Ynetnews .::. Size~: 42.37 KBDec 21 19:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: well, that's apartheid.Dec 21 19:05
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Huffington-FoxDec 21 19:06
schestowitzIt even rhymes with the original nameDec 21 19:06
schestowitzBut we stick with huff & puffDec 21 19:06
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+huff+puffDec 21 19:07
TechrightsBot-scTitle: site:techrights.org huff puff - Google Search .::. Size~: 51.21 KBDec 21 19:07
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/10/memo-2002-iraq-invasion-mediaDec 21 19:09
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  Foreign Office memo shows 2002 plan to sell Iraq invasion to UK media | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 88.51 KBDec 21 19:09
MinceRhttp://redd.it/ep8uoDec 21 20:35
TechrightsBot-scNot a web page! Aborting  typeDec 21 20:35
FurnaceBoyhttp://www.vancouverobserver.com/blogs/civicvoices/2010/12/21/stephen-harper-treats-canadians-imbecilesDec 21 20:39
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Stephen Harper treats Canadians like imbeciles | The Vancouver Observer - News, Culture, Sports, Blogs in Vancouver, BC .::. Size~: 47.97 KBDec 21 20:40
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sebsebsebHiDec 21 20:52
schestowitzHello.Dec 21 20:53
sebsebsebschestowitz: HalloDec 21 20:53
schestowitzJust posted https://identi.ca/notice/60836467Dec 21 20:54
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-10 20:52:13 UTC - Identi.ca: #Apple Attacks Free Speech by Removing !Wikileaks , Just Like Amazon http://is.gd/jaRu6 #censorship #cablegateDec 21 20:54
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Apple Attacks Free Speech by Removing Wikileaks, Just Like Amazon | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.29 KBDec 21 20:54
schestowitzI think FurnaceBoy gave me the URLDec 21 20:54
FurnaceBoyyaDec 21 20:58
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/60836660Dec 21 21:06
TechrightsBot-sc@Patrick Horneker (phorneker)'s status on Tuesday, 21-Dec-10 20:57:30 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz This is just proof of how successful Linux and open source really is.Dec 21 21:06
schestowitz" 5 Biggest Tech Winners for 2010 http://is.gd/jat7W By name, they are ARM Holdings (130.58% growth)" <- partly thanks to !Linux"Dec 21 21:06
TechrightsBot-scTitle: 5 Biggest Tech Winners for 2010 .::. Size~: 30.49 KBDec 21 21:06
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/17276406832570368Dec 21 23:58
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / FFII e.V.: @bob_sutor A phrase like " ... .::. Size~: 12.94 KBDec 21 23:58
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FFII/status/17276406832570368Dec 21 23:58
TechrightsBot-sc@FFII: @bob_sutor A phrase like "company's biggest product challenges" would not remind you of money for stamps.Dec 21 23:58
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: bug? ^Dec 21 23:58
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