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| Ender2070 | If I don't receive a response from Bell Canada in the next few days I'll have a posting about them | Dec 24 04:20 |
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| Ender2070 | regarding fraud, extortion, and deceit | Dec 24 04:20 |
| Ender2070 | I've already been in contact with the CEO's assistant | Dec 24 04:21 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Dec 24 04:28 |
| Ender2070 | just noticed my hostname | Dec 24 04:29 |
| Ender2070 | cia.com | Dec 24 04:29 |
| Ender2070 | ya'll caught me | Dec 24 04:29 |
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| schestowitz | Beaurocracy in academia is annoying and tiring. It turns out now that matching grants are not compatible with each other, even though I have two. I spoke to the research VP earlier on the phone regarding European Union grants that can complement an existing grant and thus help fund my research. But I'm left having to spend more time on stupid bureaucracy. | Dec 24 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Suffice to say, it just distracts from doing actual work. *sigh* | Dec 24 07:04 |
| schestowitz | I do not even know yet which Web site to turn to, but I will speak to them after the holiday, as someone suggested. Am I the only one who uses the holidays to code a lot because news is slow and everything's boring? | Dec 24 07:05 |
| schestowitz | I plan to avoid news/TR for the next few days, I know other people who do the same... | Dec 24 07:06 |
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| schestowitz | I've finished some nice bits of code | Dec 24 13:03 |
| schestowitz | I output all my stuff to properly named files and annotation | Dec 24 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Then pipe it in to imagemagick to save as video files...and document each experiment in a directory with plots and motion video | Dec 24 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I'lls spin this into startup, it's specialised stuff | Dec 24 13:33 |
| Ender2070 | I posted aboot Bell Canada already | Dec 24 13:35 |
| Ender2070 | but part two will be about their fraud | Dec 24 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Oh nice: http://www.alcancelibre.org/article.php/wikileaks-ms-facilito-fuente-win-china | Dec 24 13:36 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Wikileaks revela que Microsoft facilitó el código fuente de Windows a China. .::. Size~: 22.83 KB | Dec 24 13:36 |
| schestowitz | We made it into this page.. | Dec 24 13:36 |
| schestowitz | This post of mine got like 40 tweets on it | Dec 24 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: writing on corporate corruption is worthwhile where it exists | Dec 24 13:36 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Dec 24 13:37 |
| schestowitz | It's a good service to society because it helps improve corporate behaviour and punish those who disbehave | Dec 24 13:37 |
| Ender2070 | likely, im going to be billing them | Dec 24 13:37 |
| schestowitz | BUT... | Dec 24 13:37 |
| schestowitz | You'll be discouraged for doing so | Dec 24 13:37 |
| Ender2070 | for wasting my time | Dec 24 13:37 |
| schestowitz | For the same reason Wikileaks is prosecuted | Dec 24 13:37 |
| schestowitz | The implicit rules says people have not the right to challenge a corporation as that would challenging the 'system' | Dec 24 13:38 |
| Ender2070 | ill send them a $200 bill, a processing fee for handing a fraudulent bill | Dec 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz | And then come words like "anti-capitalist" | Dec 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz | If anti-capitalism means "against corruption", then I guess I am | Dec 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz | But it's not capitalism | Dec 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz | it's corrupt | Dec 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Extreme capitalism is what RMS calls it | Dec 24 13:38 |
| schestowitz | RMS likes money too and he's pro-capitalism | Dec 24 13:39 |
| schestowitz | But he saw companies making money in rogue ways like bombing south-east Asia | Dec 24 13:39 |
| schestowitz | To call RMS communism is to miss the point of GNU manifesto | Dec 24 13:39 |
| schestowitz | The document is political and it's about sharing for sufficiency | Dec 24 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Comparind this to communism/Marxism is like comparing open source to free software... their goals are different | Dec 24 13:40 |
| schestowitz | This is why your post with Marx as placeholder for Stallman is like putting Tim O'Reilly where Stallman should be | Dec 24 13:41 |
| Ender2070 | I'll disagree, I know where marxism came from | Dec 24 13:41 |
| Ender2070 | yet | Dec 24 13:41 |
| Ender2070 | on rms ill agree | Dec 24 13:41 |
| Ender2070 | im really just against the extemism in FLOSS | Dec 24 13:41 |
| Ender2070 | if you touch anything proprietary at all you're the devil | Dec 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoZp177HDJ8&feature=PlayList&p=173D4DC90DBA21BB&playnext_from=PL&index=33&playnext=1 | Dec 24 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - 5. Lecture on Karl Marx (1818-1883) .::. Size~: 122.78 KB | Dec 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | I watched this last year | Dec 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Marx was a science person | Dec 24 13:42 |
| Ender2070 | I've researched the people who brainwashed Marx | Dec 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Unlike RMS | Dec 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Nor a peace person | Dec 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | He was also of religious upbringing and the motivation was different | Dec 24 13:42 |
| Ender2070 | Marx's early writings talked about destroying the world | Dec 24 13:42 |
| schestowitz | [13:41] <Ender2070> if you touch anything proprietary at all you're the devil | Dec 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | WHERE? | Dec 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | oops | Dec 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Caps not intended | Dec 24 13:43 |
| Ender2070 | lots of people are like that | Dec 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't berate people for using propietary s/w | Dec 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I do take pride when using it | Dec 24 13:43 |
| Ender2070 | I used to be like that even when I was secretly playing video games | Dec 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I also recommend others that they use it for technical reasons (lockin), not price | Dec 24 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I currently build my programs in all GNU | Dec 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz | It used to have MATLAB in the stakc | Dec 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz | MATLAB licence can cost like $700 | Dec 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz | And back in the days I saw the consequences | Dec 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz | If you put appliance in the hospital | Dec 24 13:44 |
| Ender2070 | well my article is wrong anyways | Dec 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz | For just a MATLAB program | Dec 24 13:44 |
| schestowitz | MathWorks hits the jackpot, taking half the cost of the machine | Dec 24 13:44 |
| Ender2070 | cause its not everyone, and rms isn't suggesting people be extreme | Dec 24 13:45 |
| schestowitz | So now I build the thing on Fedora GNU/Linux/KDE+GNU Octave | Dec 24 13:45 |
| schestowitz | And ImageMagick | Dec 24 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | I just haven't thought about a way to re-write the article | Dec 24 13:45 |
| Ender2070 | I might take down the marx picture | Dec 24 13:45 |
| schestowitz | [13:45] <Ender2070> cause its not everyone, and rms isn't suggesting people be extreme | Dec 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Oppsite | Dec 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz | He slams extremism | Dec 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Of all kinds | Dec 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Religious, Muslim, Zionist... | Dec 24 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | well when he wrote the article promoting anonymous | Dec 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz | See his blog | Dec 24 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | it changed how I thought of him | Dec 24 13:46 |
| schestowitz | I never saw him advocating anything strong | Dec 24 13:46 |
| Ender2070 | hes not pushing socialism on purpose | Dec 24 13:47 |
| Ender2070 | hes just as brainwashed as everyone else | Dec 24 13:47 |
| Ender2070 | he wants freedom too | Dec 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz | In fact, the Boycott Novell protest in India was the first time FS people were met by police violence | Dec 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz | So RMS said it was unprecedented and important | Dec 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz | They didn't allow protest against Novell | Dec 24 13:47 |
| Ender2070 | im taking down gnu religion pending a rewrite | Dec 24 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman, 1996: | Dec 24 13:48 |
| Ender2070 | it'll be about extremism instead when its done | Dec 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz | "What really worries me is that the courts might choose a muddled half-measure—by approving an interpretation of “indecent” that permits the doctor program or a statement of the decency rules, but prohibits some of the books that any child can browse through in the public library. Over the years, as the Internet replaces the public library, some of our freedom of speech will be lost." | Dec 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz | That's what he stands for | Dec 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz | And his predictions are usually right | Dec 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Even 15 years ahead of time | Dec 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz | He scored 1600 in his SATs IIRC | Dec 24 13:48 |
| schestowitz | And a bad Xerox machine is what got his started | Dec 24 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Not IBM and definitely not Microsoft | Dec 24 13:49 |
| schestowitz | But history was rewritten to put "hater" label on him | Dec 24 13:49 |
| Ender2070 | it wasn't just that | Dec 24 13:49 |
| schestowitz | [13:48] <Ender2070> it'll be about extremism instead when its done | Dec 24 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Define extremism | Dec 24 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Think for a moment what this word is | Dec 24 13:50 |
| Ender2070 | someone taking an extreme stance without flexibility | Dec 24 13:50 |
| schestowitz | It's a dog whistle as FurnaceBoy calls it | Dec 24 13:50 |
| schestowitz | What's extreme though | Dec 24 13:50 |
| Ender2070 | they see it as black and white | Dec 24 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Deviating 'too much' from the mean/median/average behaviour? | Dec 24 13:50 |
| Ender2070 | no grey area | Dec 24 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Extremism connotates with violence, use of force | Dec 24 13:51 |
| Ender2070 | you're with us, or you're with the terrorists | Dec 24 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Weird=far from average | Dec 24 13:51 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 24 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Not exceptional | Dec 24 13:51 |
| Ender2070 | well perhaps I could use a different word | Dec 24 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Nerd if the weirdness when it comes to dimension of engagement with people | Dec 24 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Ugly a physical deviation | Dec 24 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Not fitting one's visual model | Dec 24 13:52 |
| Ender2070 | I think some people do treat it like a religion though | Dec 24 13:52 |
| Ender2070 | a belief system | Dec 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | We are built on expectations | Dec 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Beard=ok | Dec 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Neckbeard=not OK | Dec 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Too rare | Dec 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Bald men=OK | Dec 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Women->not OK | Dec 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Cause the expectation sets it so | Dec 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | So what's extremism | Dec 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | You need to define it | Dec 24 13:52 |
| schestowitz | A word short of "terrorist"? | Dec 24 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: not a religion | Dec 24 13:53 |
| schestowitz | A doctrine | Dec 24 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Religion has deities | Dec 24 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Not just leaders | Dec 24 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Divide figures | Dec 24 13:53 |
| schestowitz | GNU has none | Dec 24 13:53 |
| schestowitz | It has a founder | Dec 24 13:53 |
| schestowitz | To Mormons, Smith is not the God | Dec 24 13:54 |
| schestowitz | RMS has a lot of experience and he writes the most used s/w licence, so people have reason to listen to his opinion, just like TimBL's opinion on the Web matters, for his role in w3c, influence, and experience | Dec 24 13:55 |
| schestowitz | In a book iof his, TimBL names Stallman as one of his influencers | Dec 24 13:55 |
| schestowitz | If you're looking for someone worth slamming in a blog, look at MarkZ (so-called 'man of the year'), whose negative impact on society gets the attention of the FSF more than before. Facebook is also mentioned more in the news now than Microsoft... but it's partly owned by it. | Dec 24 13:57 |
| Ender2070 | well | Dec 24 13:57 |
| Ender2070 | a belief system doesn't have to be a religion | Dec 24 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Think what impact gnu s/w will have on your career compared to compulsary use of Windows (GNU does not compel) and loss of privacy | Dec 24 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Truefully RMS has always been a trouble maker. | Dec 24 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: then it's not a religion | Dec 24 13:58 |
| oiaohm | But that does not make him anti software. | Dec 24 13:58 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion | Dec 24 13:58 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 288.56 KB | Dec 24 13:58 |
| Ender2070 | rms is definately anti proprietary | Dec 24 13:58 |
| schestowitz | "Religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of life and the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a supernatural agency,[1] or human beings’ relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, spiritual, or divine." | Dec 24 13:58 |
| oiaohm | One of RMS stunts was getting everyone on the UNI to set there password as password. | Dec 24 13:58 |
| schestowitz | GIve or take, it's not a formal dictionary | Dec 24 13:58 |
| Ender2070 | he even goes so far to fund linux-libre at the expense of working hardware | Dec 24 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Before he was a lecturer. Ender2070 | Dec 24 13:59 |
| schestowitz | GNU hardly deals with "cause, nature, and purpose of life and the universe" | Dec 24 13:59 |
| oiaohm | RMS core blief is the right to inspect source code. | Dec 24 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Definitely not when "considered as the creation of a supernatural agency,[1] or human beings’ relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, spiritual, or divine." | Dec 24 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes you are fine to make money. | Dec 24 13:59 |
| oiaohm | in his eyse | Dec 24 13:59 |
| schestowitz | GNU is about distribution practices | Dec 24 13:59 |
| Ender2070 | I think they would be more effective if they reverse engineered the binary blobs and made more free software | Dec 24 13:59 |
| oiaohm | But you should not be abusive in the process of making money. | Dec 24 14:00 |
| schestowitz | [13:59] <Ender2070> he even goes so far to fund linux-libre at the expense of working hardware | Dec 24 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Dec 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem with closed source is more often than not its abusive. | Dec 24 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Oliva's work is progressive | Dec 24 14:00 |
| schestowitz | The other choice is to obey and follow those whom you try to educate | Dec 24 14:00 |
| Ender2070 | right now they have a script that removes anything that looks like a binary blog | Dec 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Ie you depend on a program someone in another company decide we are not making that any more. | Dec 24 14:00 |
| Ender2070 | blob | Dec 24 14:00 |
| oiaohm | And its stiff eggs. | Dec 24 14:00 |
| schestowitz | [13:59] <oiaohm> RMS core blief is the right to inspect source code. | Dec 24 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Dec 24 14:00 |
| schestowitz | That's open source | Dec 24 14:01 |
| Ender2070 | I agree with your points, I just don't know how to phrase it | Dec 24 14:01 |
| schestowitz | RMS believes in sharing code with the person who gives it to him | Dec 24 14:01 |
| Ender2070 | I do believe all software should be free | Dec 24 14:01 |
| schestowitz | And also to modify this, then share the changes | Dec 24 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Early at Uni RMS got caught out by closed source. | Dec 24 14:01 |
| Ender2070 | but I can live with proprietary if no free equivalent exists | Dec 24 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: all code is free | Dec 24 14:01 |
| schestowitz | it's electrons | Dec 24 14:01 |
| oiaohm | the share and modify came latter. | Dec 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Like music | Dec 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Like speech | Dec 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz | We *choose* to limit it | Dec 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz | With something called "end-user agreeement" or whatever | Dec 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz | With words like "pirate" and "patent infringer" made up to create scracity in the infinite | Dec 24 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Remember RMS came from the days where end-user agreements were not invented yet. | Dec 24 14:02 |
| schestowitz | We are raised and brought to this system where viewing another way and distribution/biz model is hard | Dec 24 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Not to be mean but this is part of RMS problem at times. | Dec 24 14:03 |
| schestowitz | But we have working examples like Linux (kernel) and Wikipedia, even Apache | Dec 24 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Wikileaks is also interesyting | Dec 24 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Julian wrote some crypto stuff to help spread repressed speech in Aussie | Dec 24 14:03 |
| oiaohm | At times RMS is like a T-Rex some how found how to time travel. | Dec 24 14:03 |
| schestowitz | And he was a grad student when he created wikileaks to take his ventures further | Dec 24 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Julian is pro-freedom of speech and transparency | Dec 24 14:04 |
| schestowitz | So him too you could label an "Extermist" | Dec 24 14:04 |
| schestowitz | But he'd need a beard first :-) | Dec 24 14:04 |
| Ender2070 | I see | Dec 24 14:04 |
| Ender2070 | I get why it's a demonizing word | Dec 24 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Do you know what he did before wikileaks? | Dec 24 14:04 |
| schestowitz | All those controversial sites... | Dec 24 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Like the ones of ALex Jones | Dec 24 14:05 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: The point is it sane to argue with a T-Rex who has seen all that history. | Dec 24 14:05 |
| schestowitz | They provided safe haven hosting AFAIK | Dec 24 14:05 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: and has the teeth to kill you. | Dec 24 14:05 |
| schestowitz | That's supporting freedom of speech no matter how outrageous it may be | Dec 24 14:05 |
| schestowitz | [14:02] <oiaohm> Remember RMS came from the days where end-user agreements were not invented yet. | Dec 24 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Did they jst sell s/w with the machines? | Dec 24 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Back then yes you got the OS with the machines | Dec 24 14:06 |
| schestowitz | As in built for the arch at hand, then no worry about it being quite so portable? | Dec 24 14:06 |
| oiaohm | And the OS was locked to that machine. | Dec 24 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Dec 24 14:06 |
| oiaohm | The real dark ages. | Dec 24 14:06 |
| oiaohm | of IT. | Dec 24 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: some people tried to call me extremist, but only on the Web | Dec 24 14:06 |
| oiaohm | We think now is bad where he comes from was way worse. | Dec 24 14:06 |
| schestowitz | That's because they don't agree with me and don't know me, either | Dec 24 14:07 |
| oiaohm | RMS basically has seen too much history. | Dec 24 14:07 |
| oiaohm | and he wants things to go on the path to be productive. | Dec 24 14:07 |
| schestowitz | RMS has Aspergers Syndrome, but he's not malicious | Dec 24 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Really if you watch him in public he is only minor Aspergers | Dec 24 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 24 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Really the more I studied computer history more RMS actions made sence. | Dec 24 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Was it always like this? | Dec 24 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Because lot of what is happening now is repeats of what he as already sean. | Dec 24 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Cause some diagnosis may be a case of fitting deformity to symptoms | Dec 24 14:09 |
| oiaohm | The results of. | Dec 24 14:09 |
| schestowitz | And maybe he spent too much time without contact w/ people | Dec 24 14:09 |
| oiaohm | I got diagnosed as part Aspergers because I hate being around people. | Dec 24 14:09 |
| schestowitz | [14:09] <oiaohm> Really the more I studied computer history more RMS actions made sence. | Dec 24 14:09 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know Stallman until some years ago | Dec 24 14:10 |
| schestowitz | It's not a coincidence | Dec 24 14:10 |
| schestowitz | IBM et al. support "no politics" | Dec 24 14:10 |
| schestowitz | So they back Linux | Dec 24 14:10 |
| schestowitz | But they also silently pay GNU | Dec 24 14:10 |
| schestowitz | They call the system "Linux" | Dec 24 14:10 |
| schestowitz | To associate it with another group and philosophy | Dec 24 14:10 |
| oiaohm | IBM has always provided staff to GNU | Dec 24 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Some of the things RMS made dug AIX systems out some quite big holes. | Dec 24 14:11 |
| schestowitz | RMS is kept in the dark, with the swpats opinion which he has (that IBM does not agree with) | Dec 24 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Linux is eating UNIX now | Dec 24 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Who would have thought in 2985 | Dec 24 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Who would have thought in 1985 | Dec 24 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Remember GNU helped IBM before Linux existed. | Dec 24 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I heard so | Dec 24 14:11 |
| oiaohm | And GNU links to IBM lead IBM to Linux | Dec 24 14:12 |
| oiaohm | So for IBM it has not bee bad at all. | Dec 24 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, IBM did something I quite liked yesterday | Dec 24 14:12 |
| Ender2070 | [09:10] <oiaohm> I got diagnosed as part Aspergers because I hate being around people. | Dec 24 14:12 |
| schestowitz | They blasted De Icaza's Microsoft advocacy | Dec 24 14:12 |
| schestowitz | And IBM is a Novell partner, so... | Dec 24 14:12 |
| Ender2070 | that's a disease? | Dec 24 14:12 |
| Ender2070 | I hate being around people because they're stupid and ignorant | Dec 24 14:12 |
| schestowitz | I think it's something people are born with | Dec 24 14:13 |
| Ender2070 | they're always getting in my way | Dec 24 14:13 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Dec 24 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: I was deaf for first 6 years of my life. Crouds of people annoy the hell out of me. I got incorrectly diagnosed with Aspergers | Dec 24 14:13 |
| schestowitz | I heard that shrinks need go to shrinks themselves [joke] cause they just look to reinforce their own diagnosis | Dec 24 14:13 |
| schestowitz | There were experiments around that | Dec 24 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Mind is not an exact science | Dec 24 14:13 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Dec 24 14:13 |
| schestowitz | So the shrink might say patient is "X", then collect proof to fit the diagnosis | Dec 24 14:14 |
| Ender2070 | Carl Jung said something funny | Dec 24 14:14 |
| schestowitz | And even is the patient is cured, s/he'll still be treated as problematic | Dec 24 14:14 |
| Ender2070 | along the lines of 'show me a sane man and i'll cure him' | Dec 24 14:14 |
| oiaohm | significant difficulties in social interaction, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. << desription of Aspergers | Dec 24 14:14 |
| schestowitz | I don't really know much about it, but a good friend of mine studies psychology and now works in it | Dec 24 14:14 |
| oiaohm | significat difficulties with social interactions due to my ears I just don't want to. | Dec 24 14:15 |
| schestowitz | There is also the cause/effect theory, which is interesting... how people make choices based on conditions and then describe the conditions based on choice | Dec 24 14:15 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: sesbsebseb has that | Dec 24 14:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't think he would mind me saying this | Dec 24 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Basically if I have to ie you bribe me with something I can social interact perfectly. | Dec 24 14:16 |
| schestowitz | We need to be polite to him, sometimes he makes people feel uncomfortable when he means well | Dec 24 14:16 |
| abeNd-org | some people just don't like being around crowds, heck technology is creating a more physically isolated society anyways, pretty soon we'll all live in a cabin by ourselves in wyoming with a big fat internet connection as our only companion | Dec 24 14:16 |
| schestowitz | abeNd-org: wyoming is cold | Dec 24 14:16 |
| schestowitz | MAybe Florida :-) | Dec 24 14:17 |
| oiaohm | When I watch RMS he really don't show true Aspergers. | Dec 24 14:17 |
| oiaohm | And his history in collage shows him as highly social. | Dec 24 14:17 |
| Ender2070 | [09:16] <abeNd-org> some people just don't like being around crowds, heck technology is creating a more physically isolated society anyways, pretty soon we'll all live in a cabin by ourselves in wyoming with a big fat internet connection as our only companion | Dec 24 14:17 |
| oiaohm | What makes me wonder where the Aspergers title for hime comes from schestowitz | Dec 24 14:17 |
| Ender2070 | It's one of the reasons I hate malls and shopping | Dec 24 14:18 |
| Ender2070 | crowds of stupid ignorant people, who stand in my way, or take forever in line with stupid bullshit | Dec 24 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Carla S. from Linux Today lives in a farm | Dec 24 14:18 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Dec 24 14:18 |
| schestowitz | And she does alright running a bunch of sites from there, it's self-sufficient too | Dec 24 14:18 |
| Ender2070 | When I go to a store, I want to get in, get my shit, and get out as fast as I can | Dec 24 14:18 |
| abeNd-org | ender you dont like being around mass families with 4 uncontrollable screaming children, how antisocial of you! | Dec 24 14:18 |
| Ender2070 | I know! | Dec 24 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Really I do have another problem. My vision was also crap until the age of 8 | Dec 24 14:19 |
| oiaohm | So my means to read peoples faces is poor. | Dec 24 14:19 |
| Ender2070 | and around this time of year | Dec 24 14:19 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Dec 24 14:19 |
| abeNd-org | I am so glad I lived out in BFE out on the farm when I was a kid | Dec 24 14:19 |
| Ender2070 | I refuse to go to Walmart for the rest of my life | Dec 24 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Toronto must be cold | Dec 24 14:19 |
| Ender2070 | not all stores are like this | Dec 24 14:19 |
| abeNd-org | and even now I still more or less live out in BFE | Dec 24 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Basically I am not aspergers but I have had the right other medical issues to give somethign that diagnoses wrong. schestowitz | Dec 24 14:20 |
| Ender2070 | im fine in computer stores that are crowded | Dec 24 14:20 |
| Ender2070 | less ignorant people in my way | Dec 24 14:20 |
| schestowitz | So not APple stores :-) | Dec 24 14:20 |
| oiaohm | 1 on 1 I am happier. | Dec 24 14:20 |
| Ender2070 | i said computer stores | Dec 24 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I see most of them are rather empty | Dec 24 14:20 |
| Ender2070 | apple stores aren't computer stores | Dec 24 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Few machines | Dec 24 14:20 |
| schestowitz | gadget stores | Dec 24 14:20 |
| Ender2070 | they are tendy brainwashing centers for yuppies | Dec 24 14:20 |
| schestowitz | They remind me of boutiques | Dec 24 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Not the type where t-shirts are under $10 | Dec 24 14:21 |
| abeNd-org | Ender2070: yea, there are two walmarts somewhat close to me, one is the "college kids & poor people" walmart, the other is the "middle class" walmart, & I will drive further to go to the middleclass walmart, less creep factor (more the college kids, loud/obnoxious/messy/leave open packages all over the place without thinking they should pay/etc) | Dec 24 14:21 |
| Ender2070 | the one at square 1 in mississauga is always packed with computer illiterate people | Dec 24 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Really i wonder how many other people are incorrectly diagnosed as Aspergers due to sections of the tests being missed. | Dec 24 14:21 |
| schestowitz | But where each item is specially illuminates and costs like 10 times the production cost... good for hipsters and people with more money than sense | Dec 24 14:21 |
| Ender2070 | [09:21] <abeNd-org> Ender2070: yea, there are two walmarts somewhat close to me, one is the "college kids & poor people" walmart, the other is the "middle class" walmart, & I will drive further to go to the middleclass walmart, less creep factor (more the college kids, loud/obnoxious/messy/leave open packages all over the place without thinking they should pay/etc) | Dec 24 14:21 |
| Ender2070 | in hamilton | Dec 24 14:21 |
| Ender2070 | they're all the "college kids & poor people" walmart | Dec 24 14:22 |
| abeNd-org | north TX area | Dec 24 14:22 |
| Ender2070 | peppered with tons of fat people | Dec 24 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Are the Walmarts worth the most now? | Dec 24 14:22 |
| schestowitz | In the US/world? | Dec 24 14:22 |
| abeNd-org | hah, yes, thus peopleofwalmart.com was born | Dec 24 14:22 |
| schestowitz | The combined family (one-gen) sum | Dec 24 14:22 |
| Ender2070 | here in Canada we have a store called Value Village | Dec 24 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Walmarts what are those basically around hear. | Dec 24 14:22 |
| Ender2070 | its a thrift shop where people donate stuff | Dec 24 14:23 |
| Ender2070 | and they sell it at low cost | Dec 24 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Most likely eqaul to our Big W | Dec 24 14:23 |
| oiaohm | That is part of the woolworths chain. | Dec 24 14:23 |
| Ender2070 | sometimes you can get good deals on designer clothing, or awesome deals on old electronic gadgets and books | Dec 24 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Yep Big W | Dec 24 14:23 |
| Ender2070 | Walmart bought Value Village, and raised the prices, and all the stock is donated to them | Dec 24 14:23 |
| Ender2070 | fuckers | Dec 24 14:23 |
| oiaohm | We have woolworths and Big W in the same town. | Dec 24 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes the Big W stands for Big woolworths | Dec 24 14:24 |
| oiaohm | And annoying part is some items are cheeper at Big W than woolworths and the rerse is also true. | Dec 24 14:24 |
| Ender2070 | walmart had cheaper halloween costumes than value village this year | Dec 24 14:25 |
| Ender2070 | same company | Dec 24 14:25 |
| oiaohm | I forgot dick smith electrical is also in town. | Dec 24 14:26 |
| Ender2070 | walmart has a better return policy though, so I returned them after my halloween party | Dec 24 14:26 |
| oiaohm | So Big W woolworths and dicksmith electrical | Dec 24 14:26 |
| oiaohm | All inside a 2 block radius of each other. | Dec 24 14:26 |
| oiaohm | There 2 companies about 90 pent of australian shopping http://www.woolworthslimited.com.au/phoenix.zhtml?c=144044&p=our-brand http://www.colesgroup.com.au/Home/ Ender2070 | Dec 24 14:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Woolworths Limited - Brand Family .::. Size~: 13.42 KB | Dec 24 14:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Welcome to Coles .::. Size~: 18.59 KB | Dec 24 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Any of them over where you are. | Dec 24 14:31 |
| Ender2070 | never heard of it | Dec 24 14:31 |
| Ender2070 | our local dep store was Zellers | Dec 24 14:31 |
| Ender2070 | which was part of the Hudsons Bay Company | Dec 24 14:31 |
| Ender2070 | which was bought by Americans | Dec 24 14:31 |
| abeNd-org | ive heard of woolworths, but i havent seen one in 15+ yrs | Dec 24 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | Hmm... I think I should buy a new computer soon, maybe a dual-head laptop | Dec 24 16:04 |
| schestowitz | I just need to sniff around and find out who I can dump my main PC on to ensure it doesn't go to waste | Dec 24 16:05 |
| schestowitz | This one looks nice: | Dec 24 16:05 |
| schestowitz | http://kno.com/waitlist-landing | Dec 24 16:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Kno Textbook Tablet .::. Size~: 2.02 KB | Dec 24 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Comes only with Linux | Dec 24 16:06 |
| schestowitz | But I think they lock it down a lot | Dec 24 16:06 |
| Ender2070 | you know whats really destroying the planet | Dec 24 16:17 |
| Ender2070 | people using old cpus | Dec 24 16:17 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6611073&CatId=3683 | Dec 24 16:17 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Buy the AMD Phenom X3 8250e Triple Core Processor - OEM at TigerDirect.ca .::. Size~: 142.77 KB | Dec 24 16:17 |
| Ender2070 | $50 for a tripple core | Dec 24 16:17 |
| Ender2070 | wtf is that | Dec 24 16:17 |
| Ender2070 | way more cycles per watt | Dec 24 16:17 |
| Ender2070 | ROFL http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6824566&Sku=B69-5134 | Dec 24 16:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Buy the ECS A740GM-M (V7.0) AMD 740G MB w/ X3 8450 CPU at TigerDirect.ca .::. Size~: 186.16 KB | Dec 24 16:19 |
| Ender2070 | ECS is shit but damn its cheap | Dec 24 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Nice mail today ... | Dec 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Dec 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Let's Techrights become more | Dec 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | > stronger and stronger! | Dec 24 16:36 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for all the best from Techrights!!! | Dec 24 16:36 |
| MinceR | 192226 <@_folti_> "Santa is not real! Your mum and dad buying all the presents!" | Dec 24 18:33 |
| MinceR | 192227 <@_folti_> Merry Christmas from Wikileaks ;))) | Dec 24 18:33 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/eqwok/msnbc_is_not_a_democraticliberal_news/ | Dec 24 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: MSNBC is not a Democratic/liberal news organization. It is a pro-corporate organization that produces a TV news show for Democrats/liberals. : politics .::. Size~: 291.37 KB | Dec 24 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Dec 24 19:31 |
| schestowitz | GE propaganda with Microsoft, Comcast, etc. | Dec 24 19:31 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* liberal | Dec 24 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Just another way to absorb an audience which *thinks* it finds a cooperative other side | Dec 24 19:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/15/wikileaks-cables-us-air-force | Dec 24 19:32 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: US air force blocks staff from websites carrying WikiLeaks cables | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 88.08 KB | Dec 24 19:32 |
| schestowitz | "According to the UN, population growth is a driving force behind emission increases yet it will not be on the agenda at any of the upcoming climate talks" | Dec 24 19:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/317429/copenhagen_and_population_growth_the_topic_politicians_wont_discuss.html | Dec 24 19:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: News Analysis - Copenhagen and population growth: the topic politicians won’t discuss - The Ecologist .::. Size~: 1059.2 KB | Dec 24 19:35 |
| schestowitz | If politicians mention it the religious circles would insinuate they're pro-genocides | Dec 24 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Poppa Gates the richest criminal alive does talk about it | Dec 24 19:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/harisbinali/status/18393758185820160 | Dec 24 19:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @harisbinali: RT @schestowitz US offers Bradley Manning a plea bargain in return for testimony against Assange http://wlcentral.org … http://ur1.ca/2nyl8 | Dec 24 19:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: WL Central | An unofficial WikiLeaks information resource .::. Size~: 40.6 KB | Dec 24 19:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Haris bin Ali (haris)'s status on Friday, 24-Dec-10 19:53:04 UTC - This could be a mistake, but… .::. Size~: 8.06 KB | Dec 24 19:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/dec/24/pope-benedict-thought-for-the-day | Dec 24 21:06 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Richard Dawkins | A shameful Thought for the Day | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 222.98 KB | Dec 24 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Original->Sine(180); | Dec 24 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm full of food, I feel like I'm gonna get sick now... | Dec 24 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Too early to sleep though | Dec 24 21:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/20/presidential-candidate-dragged-from-hospital | Dec 24 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Belarus election: opposition leaders beaten as Lukashenko declares victory | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 95.69 KB | Dec 24 21:09 |
| MinceR | Dawkins is right, as usual | Dec 24 22:00 |
| MinceR | of course the drooling hordes of catholics flock to mouth off in the comments | Dec 24 22:02 |
| MinceR | "A small mind is easily filled with faith" | Dec 24 22:38 |
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