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| Ender2070 | hi | Dec 27 02:17 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Dec 27 05:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GoldenScepter/status/19169296466845696 | Dec 27 05:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @GoldenScepter: @stonemirror WTF are you talking about, Schlessinger? You're like Sady Doyle, favoring lies and innuendo. Gutless stooge. @schestowitz | Dec 27 05:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GoldenScepter/status/19176486242091008 | Dec 27 05:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @GoldenScepter: @stonemirror You're a back-stabbing rat-fuck. First you declare Assange guilty. Now you libel me. @schestowitz @JPBarlow #TeamAssange | Dec 27 05:12 |
| schestowitz | user://GoldenScepter | Dec 27 05:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GoldenScepter/status/19177397198790656 | Dec 27 05:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @GoldenScepter: @stonemirror Maybe I'll punch you in the face at a Linux event. Man-law: Publicly lie about a man and get beaten. @schestowitz #TeamAssange | Dec 27 05:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GoldenScepter/status/19178010921926656 | Dec 27 05:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @GoldenScepter: @stonemirror Man-law: Publicly lie about a man and get beaten. (This "man-law" applies only to men who lie.) @schestowitz #TeamAssange | Dec 27 05:12 |
| schestowitz | Why do they highlight me, I wonder.. | Dec 27 05:12 |
| schestowitz | I have nothing to do with it | Dec 27 05:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/stonemirror/status/19201687122083840 | Dec 27 05:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @stonemirror: @GoldenScepter Well, _sue_ me of you feel so abused, Ignatz. Please. /cc @schestowitz @JPBarlow #whinewhinewhine | Dec 27 05:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/stonemirror/status/19201842177118208 | Dec 27 05:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @stonemirror: @GoldenScepter I certainly welcome you to try. That would put me in the happy position of feeling the need to defend myself. / @schestowitz | Dec 27 05:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/stonemirror/status/19202186361700352 | Dec 27 05:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @stonemirror: @GoldenScepter I will alert you the next time I'm in NYC, & you can take your very best shot at beating me. Then it's my turn. @schestowitz | Dec 27 05:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/stonemirror/status/19202406394892288 | Dec 27 05:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @stonemirror: @GoldenScepter (And, gosh, that would be a threat of violence, wouldn't it? Tsk, tsk. Know what "assault" means?) /cc @schestowitz | Dec 27 05:13 |
| schestowitz | See? He always finds someone to harass... | Dec 27 05:13 |
| schestowitz | Then the mobbying highlights me while chatting to a stalker. | Dec 27 05:14 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/19231953660153856 | Dec 27 05:14 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: @verofakto cc: @schestowitz I had 3 successful slashdot posts that week simply because I reported on interesting developments covered by few | Dec 27 05:14 |
| sebsebseb | awesome one of my favourite songs, just came on, the online radio I am listening to | Dec 27 05:29 |
| schestowitz | Which 1? | Dec 27 05:51 |
| Ender2070 | good | Dec 27 05:51 |
| Ender2070 | he found someone else | Dec 27 05:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Billy Idol - Rebel Yell | Dec 27 06:02 |
| sebsebseb | it was | Dec 27 06:02 |
| sebsebseb | I love that white weeding song as well | Dec 27 06:02 |
| sebsebseb | ,but all the other billy idol songs I have heard, I haven't liked if I remember correctly or whatever | Dec 27 06:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdphvuyaV_I | Dec 27 06:03 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Billy Idol - Rebel Yell .::. Size~: 171.86 KB | Dec 27 06:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: right, but is that legal? | Dec 27 06:03 |
| sebsebseb | if theres a music video | Dec 27 06:04 |
| sebsebseb | on Youtube | Dec 27 06:04 |
| sebsebseb | is it legal? | Dec 27 06:04 |
| sebsebseb | of propritary music or film for that matter | Dec 27 06:04 |
| sebsebseb | as far as I know Youtube has quite a lot of content on it, that it shoudn't have on it really | Dec 27 06:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/karltuxstadt/statuses/19332298860138497 | Dec 27 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @karltuxstadt: Gibts noch jemand, der soviel Scheiße erzählen kann wie @schestowitz ? | Dec 27 11:22 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/nsisodiya/statuses/19316445192126464 | Dec 27 11:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @nsisodiya: @schestowitz Do we any "common term" which specify behavior of advocating GNU/Linux, FreeSoftware, OpenStandards , anti-sw-patents anti-DRM | Dec 27 11:24 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/19353004805193728 | Dec 27 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @schestowitz: @nsisodiya Hacktivism? | Dec 27 11:26 |
| schestowitz | I wish there was a word | Dec 27 11:26 |
| schestowitz | I think freedom fighter is common | Dec 27 11:26 |
| schestowitz | For it's not just for tech | Dec 27 11:26 |
| MinceR | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/26/AR2010122601791.html | Dec 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The Putinization of Hungary .::. Size~: 83.46 KB | Dec 27 11:43 |
| MinceR | (in case it's swallowed among the dents) | Dec 27 11:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I've just added it to "Leftovers" | Dec 27 11:50 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/61125170 | Dec 27 11:52 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 27-Dec-10 11:31:04 UTC - Identi.ca: ♺ @trashbird1240 Does #microsoft using the slogan "Life without walls" seem ironic to anyone else? | Dec 27 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Life without Gates | Dec 27 11:52 |
| schestowitz | And Without Windows,either | Dec 27 11:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 27 11:54 |
| MinceR | life without houses | Dec 27 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Who's houses? | Dec 27 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Doughy Houser? | Dec 27 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Hauser | Dec 27 11:56 |
| oiaohm | There is a church here that has no Windows. It just has Doors. | Dec 27 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Really should get a photo of it sometime. Some articals it would suit. | Dec 27 11:56 |
| *schestowitz likes The Doors | Dec 27 11:58 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzfsKO3qG74 | Dec 27 11:59 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Wishful Sinful - The Doors .::. Size~: 123.39 KB | Dec 27 11:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECk9A-07Pw | Dec 27 12:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - The Doors - Touch Me .::. Size~: 136.07 KB | Dec 27 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Really that reminds me I have get my self not hooked on listerning to qt 4 dance | Dec 27 12:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 27 12:06 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/61126481 | Dec 27 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @László Torma (toros)'s status on Monday, 27-Dec-10 12:07:05 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Instead of "Life without walls" I would say that Microsoft is a "life behind barbed wires"... | Dec 27 12:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: the Norwegian guy? | Dec 27 12:19 |
| oiaohm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s This one. schestowitz. Used in quite a few QT demos. | Dec 27 12:21 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Qt 4 dance .::. Size~: 121.5 KB | Dec 27 12:21 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nsisodiya/status/19355082973782016 | Dec 27 12:21 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @nsisodiya: @schestowitz Ok, then I should remain local LUG to HG - Hacktivist Group - Any better term ? using broader term for such groups will be good | Dec 27 12:21 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/61127127 | Dec 27 12:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 27-Dec-10 12:23:28 UTC - Identi.ca: @nsisodiya If it's > just prog'ing in scope,then u can go w/ "freedom fighter",which is what I would call @qu1j0t3 & @laurelrusswurm 4 ex | Dec 27 12:24 |
| oiaohm | HUMBUG Home Unix Machine, Brisbane User Group Quite wide topics. schestowitz | Dec 27 12:24 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: wtf? | Dec 27 12:26 |
| schestowitz | [the video | Dec 27 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Never say that QT developers don't have a sense of fun. | Dec 27 12:34 |
| oiaohm | But there dancing skill could do with some work. schestowitz | Dec 27 12:34 |
| oiaohm | So you had never seen the trolltech Qt 4 dance video before? schestowitz | Dec 27 12:40 |
| schestowitz | http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/2848 | Dec 27 12:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: ASCII by Jason Scott / Yahoo!locaust .::. Size~: 52.96 KB | Dec 27 12:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Jean Pierre found a bunch of dude to dance with.. | Dec 27 12:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they made a xmas video with it | Dec 27 12:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/who-google-has-in-mind-for-its-chrome-os-users/7961 | Dec 27 12:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Who Google has in mind for its Chrome OS users | ZDNet .::. Size~: 133.69 KB | Dec 27 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't get it. | Dec 27 12:48 |
| schestowitz | http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2010/12/big-law-partners-to-testify-about-wikileaks.html | Dec 27 12:48 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Big Law Partners to Testify About WikiLeaks - The BLT: The Blog of Legal Times .::. Size~: 66.25 KB | Dec 27 12:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's a privacy bomb | Dec 27 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Google is | Dec 27 12:48 |
| schestowitz | and fb | Dec 27 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Even if Chrome OS does not take off. It still will make application developers think about providing online applications. | Dec 27 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Facebook is worse. | Dec 27 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Facebook is slow to clean up viruses off there site. | Dec 27 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Google is not. | Dec 27 12:49 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: | Dec 27 12:50 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: Be aware that this scholarly paper, Facebook Tracks and Traces Everyone: Like This!, says that any time you visit a page with a Like button, a cookie is placed on your computer, and harvested by Facebook, so you can be tracked from that day forward, whether or not you are a Facebook member: "When a user does not have a Facebook account, there is no cookie and no user ID available. In this case, a visit to Techcrunch.com | Dec 27 12:50 |
| schestowitz | includes an HTTP GET request for the Like button. However, when the button is provided there is no cookie issued. Thus, it seems that the Like button itself is not used to issue cookies. However, when a site is visited which includes Facebook Connect (for instance Gizmodo.com) this application issues a cookie (fig. 2). From that moment on, visits to other websites which display the Like button result in a request for the Like | Dec 27 12:50 |
| schestowitz | button from the Facebook server including the cookie....As indicated, after visiting a web site on which Facebook Connect has been implemented, the request for the Like button includes a cookie. This cookie has an expiration date two years from the moment it was issued. However, by browsing across web sites, additional cookies can be placed on the user‟s computer and these can be added later on in new requests....Based on | Dec 27 12:50 |
| schestowitz | the cookie, the entire web behavior of an individual user can be followed. Every site that includes some kind of Facebook content will initiate an interaction with the Facebook servers, therewith disclosing information about the visited web site together with the cookie." Just so you know. Oh, and if you later become a member of Facebook, such as is required now by the LA Times if you wish to make a comment there, Facebook | Dec 27 12:50 |
| schestowitz | has already a treasure trove of information about you to connect with your new user ID.] - James Niccolai, ComputerWorld " | Dec 27 12:50 |
| oiaohm | Google tracking is mostly analiticts | Dec 27 12:52 |
| oiaohm | Where the website maintainer gets access to the information from there site google is collection. | Dec 27 12:53 |
| oiaohm | But google has stacks of sites with collected information. | Dec 27 12:53 |
| oiaohm | And google is responisble with this information ie google uses it but does not on sell it. | Dec 27 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 27 12:54 |
| schestowitz | That's the issue I have with FB | Dec 27 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Facebook is not responsable. | Dec 27 12:54 |
| schestowitz | FB also shares data with marketing giants and Microsoft | Dec 27 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Google keeps it in one place mostly | Dec 27 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Google yes is a risk but does handle the information as is should be. | Dec 27 12:55 |
| MinceR | they all share data with governments though | Dec 27 12:55 |
| MinceR | even red china | Dec 27 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Legally Google has done everything they can to avoid sharing data with goverments. | Dec 27 12:55 |
| MinceR | not really | Dec 27 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Really it has. | Dec 27 12:56 |
| MinceR | not retaining data is the best way to avoid sharing data with governments | Dec 27 12:56 |
| MinceR | and google doesn't do that | Dec 27 12:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: china is not red | Dec 27 12:56 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: PRC is | Dec 27 12:56 |
| MinceR | their propaganda is red | Dec 27 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Now google has to retain so much information to make there search engine. MinceR | Dec 27 12:56 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: that's what they want you to think | Dec 27 12:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I was n tongue-and-cheek mode | Dec 27 12:57 |
| MinceR | but really, their search engine doesn't need my private data to work | Dec 27 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, "red" is bad for propaganda | Dec 27 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Connotation with blood and fire | Dec 27 12:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Also if you have deleted your emails so does google. Same with any other content of yours google hosts. | Dec 27 12:57 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: afaik they reserve the right to not delete email you tell them to delete | Dec 27 12:58 |
| schestowitz | First People of America were called "Red" | Dec 27 12:58 |
| MinceR | last time i checked they had the typical carte blanche privacy policy | Dec 27 12:58 |
| schestowitz | But they were just tan | Dec 27 12:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: they reserve the right that it might not be deleted straight up. | Dec 27 12:58 |
| schestowitz | *tanned | Dec 27 12:59 |
| MinceR | (hidden in statements like "to protect our interests") | Dec 27 12:59 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: exactly | Dec 27 12:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but they don't reserve the right to hide the fact they have not deleted it. | Dec 27 12:59 |
| MinceR | do you think they need to? | Dec 27 12:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Facebook does reserve the right to hide the fact they have. | Dec 27 13:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: google does not. | Dec 27 13:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have had a failed delete happen with google. | Dec 27 13:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Yes it does turn back up in inbox | Dec 27 13:00 |
| oiaohm | No matter how good you make a computer system not everything goes right all the time. | Dec 27 13:01 |
| oiaohm | So google conditions reflect that. | Dec 27 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Basically google is responsable. But they still gather a lot of tracking information. | Dec 27 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Also find me facebooks equal to this. http://www.google.com/intl/en/analytics/privacyoverview.html MinceR | Dec 27 13:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Google Privacy Center .::. Size~: 4.96 KB | Dec 27 13:05 |
| MinceR | they gather more tracking information than responsible. | Dec 27 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Yet they do give you the means to opt out. | Dec 27 13:07 |
| oiaohm | What they do respect. | Dec 27 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Facebook on the other hand there is no opt out option. MinceR | Dec 27 13:08 |
| MinceR | you're misunderstanding me again | Dec 27 13:08 |
| MinceR | i don't have any illusion that facebook can be trusted with anything | Dec 27 13:08 |
| MinceR | it's after all a m$ lackey | Dec 27 13:08 |
| MinceR | and fuckerberg has already shown his character | Dec 27 13:09 |
| oiaohm | I see google in a hard place. | Dec 27 13:09 |
| MinceR | does google have an upper limit on how long they can delay deleting mail? | Dec 27 13:09 |
| MinceR | (never mind that the whole idea is unnecessary) | Dec 27 13:09 |
| oiaohm | A failure is a failure. So the mail you thought you had selected to delete reappears in your mail box because something went wrong and google was not sure it should have been deleted. | Dec 27 13:10 |
| oiaohm | So no it does not have a fixed time frame selected they can delay it. Either its deleted for good as fast as possible as storage tollerates or it reappears. | Dec 27 13:12 |
| oiaohm | Ie if it don't pop back up in 5 days you an almost 100 percent bet its gone for good. Unless something extrodanry has happened to google servers. | Dec 27 13:13 |
| MinceR | which means that they can keep it around for years | Dec 27 13:13 |
| MinceR | "uh, we were deleting it" | Dec 27 13:13 |
| schestowitz | http://tablets-planet.com/2010/12/21/kno-now-shipping-their-student-oriented-single-and-dual-screen-tablets/ | Dec 27 13:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Kno Now Shipping Their Student-Oriented Single and Dual Screen Tablets | Tablets Planet .::. Size~: 32.79 KB | Dec 27 13:15 |
| MinceR | Dr. Kno | Dec 27 13:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: There policy is as fast as possible or fail to delete and have it reappear. | Dec 27 13:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: select * from table E-mail...mark message as "deleted" | Dec 27 13:15 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: something like that | Dec 27 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Google: "it's deleted" | Dec 27 13:15 |
| schestowitz | You can see it in the DB | Dec 27 13:16 |
| schestowitz | It says "deleted" | Dec 27 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Google policy forbids that. schestowitz | Dec 27 13:16 |
| oiaohm | deleted is all the information gone. | Dec 27 13:16 |
| schestowitz | It's not your box | Dec 27 13:16 |
| oiaohm | by google policy not hidding it. Ie facebook allows hidding it google does not. | Dec 27 13:16 |
| schestowitz | They rent you some megs | Dec 27 13:16 |
| schestowitz | To read your mail and braishwash you in the menu bar | Dec 27 13:17 |
| schestowitz | I think Yahoo! and MSFT still shove ads also in outgoing mail | Dec 27 13:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: do they / sponsored by Paxil | Dec 27 13:17 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I don't think gmail messes about with message content {{sign up today for free messaging account. Click HERE}} | Dec 27 13:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: there's nothing wrong with ads. It's fair given you get free service / sponsored by lighbulbs lamp bulblamps SEO bulblamps | Dec 27 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Yahoo and MSFT shovel spam into your inbox as well. | Dec 27 13:19 |
| MinceR | pochta.ru does that too | Dec 27 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like enema gone wrong | Dec 27 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Hotmail is kinda evil. | Dec 27 13:20 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101221-714532.html | Dec 27 13:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: 2nd UPDATE: Red Hat 3Q Profit Climbs 59% On Higher Sales, Margins - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 136.61 KB | Dec 27 13:20 |
| schestowitz | The hot means Hell | Dec 27 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Mail from Hell | Dec 27 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Still hot | Dec 27 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Create a hotmail account give it to no body. Tick some of the interests in the create and watch you inbox fill up from spam from all over matching you interests. | Dec 27 13:21 |
| MinceR | so that's where spam comes from | Dec 27 13:21 |
| schestowitz | BSD powered | Dec 27 13:21 |
| schestowitz | But now Windows | Dec 27 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Which is like BSD on steroids | Dec 27 13:21 |
| schestowitz | It exploits BSD code | Dec 27 13:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Funny enough its how I got banned from having a hotmail account by asking Hotmail why with documentation proving it was coming from them. | Dec 27 13:22 |
| MinceR | :> | Dec 27 13:22 |
| Ender2070 | so long and thanks for all the fish | Dec 27 13:23 |
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| oiaohm | Yes I am not saying google is perfect. But compared to the competition google is quite nice. | Dec 27 13:23 |
| MinceR | compare it to DuckDuckGo, then | Dec 27 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like combination from dragonball | Dec 27 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Problem I have here is how is DuckDuckGo funding themselves. MinceR | Dec 27 13:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: we know how google funds there operations. | Dec 27 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Yes its nice to say we don't collect any information. But it has to fund itself somehow. | Dec 27 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Sad as it is most of this world you are required to follow the money to work out how trustable particular companies are. MinceR | Dec 27 13:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/94219/20101221/silicon-valley-start-up-kno-ships-educational-tablet.htm | Dec 27 13:39 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Silicon Valley Start Up Kno Ships Educational Tablet .::. Size~: 54.76 KB | Dec 27 13:39 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2010/12/23/vander-plaats-compares-iowa-justices-to-teens-who-flee-a-beer-party/ | Dec 27 13:40 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Dec 27 13:40 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Vander Plaats compares Iowa justices to teens who flee a beer party | Des Moines Register Staff Blogs .::. Size~: 87.28 KB | Dec 27 13:40 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/12/google-nyc/ | Dec 27 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Google Buys Giant New York Building for $1.9 Billion | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 83.31 KB | Dec 27 13:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/realestate/commercial/city_nets_on_google_buy_ne48ulNOePfxCYbAmqMY0O?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME= | Dec 27 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: City nets $46M on Google building - NYPOST.com .::. Size~: 66.5 KB | Dec 27 13:50 |
| schestowitz | NY hold lots of data about the public | Dec 27 13:50 |
| schestowitz | 19:06:28 <suseROCKs> stated by "Rrutkowski | Dec 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | 19:07:02 <AlanClark> Right now I see 4 goals. | Dec 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | 19:07:32 <AlanClark> First, The top goal is as a Board to get the Foundation up and operational. As we continue to work towards this, I'm sure that we will uncover other issues that we will need to address. | Dec 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | 19:07:47 <AlanClark> Second: Grow the Community | Dec 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | 19:08:25 <AlanClark> Third: Is a personal goal: Tune up my decoder ring for all these alias cloaking and get to know as many people as possible -simply because that is the fun part of being in a community. | Dec 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | http://community.opensuse.org/meetings/opensuse-project/2010/opensuse-project.2010-12-15-19.01.log.html | Dec 27 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | 19:22:01 I welcome Novell's support for the creation of a Foundation with its selection of Alan Clark to sit on the Board and help us steer the course. I would like to take a moment to remind us all that this is a partnership endeavor between the Community and Novell. While, in the past, we have entertained the possibility of going it alone, I am excited to see that Novell agrees with us that a partnership is the way to go | Dec 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | and we look forwa | Dec 27 13:52 |
| schestowitz | 19:22:01 rd to Novell's continued participation in our endeavors as we proceed in a transparent and open process. | Dec 27 13:52 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: also redhat is looking for a new building. | Dec 27 13:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "[PJ: This is nice. Opera 11 has a lovely feature: just choose Tabs and Windows, select New Private Tab from the menu (or just right-click the tab bar and then choose the same) and you have a private tab, with no cookies saving, no cache, no history. This is so much easier than having to go into Preferences and change back and forth depending on where you are planning to go.]" | Dec 27 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw praises proprietary software like TuxMachines does | Dec 27 13:53 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: remember this is the new novell after the take over. | Dec 27 13:54 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: not necessarily | Dec 27 13:54 |
| schestowitz | They look for a new location overall | Dec 27 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe different state even | Dec 27 13:54 |
| schestowitz | They grow too far and outgrow the place they are in | Dec 27 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can buy Novell's HQ | Dec 27 13:54 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Dec 27 13:54 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: new Novell?! | Dec 27 13:55 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: re IRC?> | Dec 27 13:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: You missed the other. New location in a different state is good for backups. | Dec 27 13:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2010/12/08/2010-30864/effectiveness-of-federal-agency-participation-in-standardization-in-select-technology-sectors-for | Dec 27 13:55 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Federal Register | Effectiveness of Federal Agency Participation in Standardization in Select Technology Sectors for National Science and Technology Council's Sub-Committee on Standardization .::. Size~: 33.4 KB | Dec 27 13:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so redhat being redhat you can bet there new building will be in a different city. | Dec 27 13:55 |
| schestowitz | I might work with the NIST face DBs soon | Dec 27 13:55 |
| schestowitz | We have a new algos we want to test on it | Dec 27 13:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: new Novell the novell after the merger deal. | Dec 27 13:55 |
| schestowitz | *algo | Dec 27 13:55 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: before the merger deal opensuse and novell were very frosty with each other. | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: do they intend to keep the brand? | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Will it be Novell USE | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | *SUSE | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Like ATI | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | ? | Dec 27 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Or AttachMSFTIX? | Dec 27 13:56 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: The merged commany will be named Novell and SUSE will stay there band. | Dec 27 13:56 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: by remaining Named Novell the MS deal stands until end of year. | Dec 27 13:57 |
| schestowitz | yes, jan 1st | Dec 27 13:57 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: but behavour changed to opensuse as soon as the deal was inked. | Dec 27 13:57 |
| schestowitz | how so? | Dec 27 13:58 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Major stress was that old Novell would not let opensuse setup its own foundation so it could stand on its own feet. | Dec 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Dec 27 13:58 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: Hm. I wonder if they're ready to hear about the Open XML scandal yet? NIST voted conditional yes as far back as 2007. Here's what they said: "'NIST believes that ODF and OOXML can co-exist as international standards,' NIST director William Jeffrey, said in a statement. 'NIST fully supports technology-neutral solutions and will support the standard once our technical concerns are addressed.'" That 2007 vote was to | Dec 27 13:59 |
| schestowitz | disapprove the "standard" Microsoft was offering, but NIST thought it would be fine. Has it proven to be fine? I would like to give them an earful, in the most polite voice possible, and I hope you do too. Keep in mind that there is a new administration and a new director of NIST.]" | Dec 27 13:59 |
| oiaohm | So there are signs that management after the merge might be more open source respecting. schestowitz | Dec 27 13:59 |
| oiaohm | But we will have to wait and see how it plays out. | Dec 27 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Naa.. | Dec 27 14:01 |
| schestowitz | They won't be | Dec 27 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Who knows. | Dec 27 14:01 |
| schestowitz | I knew the Novell braqnd is not going away, but what happens to attachmsft portfolio? | Dec 27 14:01 |
| schestowitz | THey essentially go private | Dec 27 14:01 |
| schestowitz | WHich is OK | Dec 27 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Easier for me | Dec 27 14:01 |
| oiaohm | After the hidding Orcale has brouth on themselves by upsetting open source groups. | Dec 27 14:01 |
| oiaohm | attach might be a little more careful | Dec 27 14:02 |
| oiaohm | And the nice treatment of opensuse might be example of a little wiser management. | Dec 27 14:02 |
| schestowitz | As a non-public company I can get less insight anyway, Novell will sell/shut down parts anyway, gradually | Dec 27 14:02 |
| oiaohm | The open source interface points will not change that much with them becoming a non-public company. | Dec 27 14:03 |
| oiaohm | And those are of interest to me. Opensuse being its own foundaiton also means it can choose not to follow the new owner. | Dec 27 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes either the new owners are more fienedly or the old staff are lining up to be pricks to the new owner. | Dec 27 14:04 |
| schestowitz | "#Microsoft Florian and Microsoft joined by the hip: http://twitpic.com/3jvlwb Nice sheep clothing you got there, Florian." | Dec 27 14:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: @fosspatents IPR activist - nice description, we appreciate h... on Twitpic .::. Size~: 12.51 KB | Dec 27 14:11 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Dec 27 14:41 | |
| schestowitz | LOL http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/19407226372358144 | Dec 27 15:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: @schestowitz You may recognize the name of a noted open source professor and the picture of Stormy Peters on that same screenshot... | Dec 27 15:51 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCVGbDf6Uws | Dec 27 16:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Linux .::. Size~: 137.59 KB | Dec 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | FLamebait? | Dec 27 16:34 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: No | Dec 27 16:44 |
| Quadrescence | It's kind of funny, and it does say nice things about Linux | Dec 27 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Na... I think not. | Dec 27 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Seems like more of a BBC Click thing :-) | Dec 27 16:47 |
| Quadrescence | maybe | Dec 27 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Quadrescence: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/22/cia-wikileaks-taskforce-wtf | Dec 27 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: WTF? OMG, LOL! CIA gives WikiLeaks taskforce naughty name | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 100.29 KB | Dec 27 17:44 |
| MinceR | http://i42.tinypic.com/21afwir.jpg | Dec 27 18:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Dec 27 18:35 |
| MinceR | 193520 < schestowitz> He's posting input politely | Dec 27 18:37 |
| MinceR | don't worry, it won't last :> | Dec 27 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I know | Dec 27 18:39 |
| schestowitz | if he's not fed he starts provoking | Dec 27 18:41 |
| schestowitz | It's like a child | Dec 27 18:42 |
| schestowitz | I'm rather idle on identica in recent days... http://identi.ca/mrdenticator | Dec 27 19:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Mister Denticator (mrdenticator) - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 33.7 KB | Dec 27 19:00 |
| MinceR | http://redd.it/ersdd | Dec 27 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting type | Dec 27 21:50 |
| MinceR | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/9/ | Dec 27 21:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Penny Arcade! - Progress .::. Size~: 7.91 KB | Dec 27 21:54 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/61152373 | Dec 27 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 27-Dec-10 22:49:25 UTC - Identi.ca: Putin Orders Russian Move to !GNU !Linux http://bit.ly/hk72fj da, da! | Dec 27 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: open...: Putin Orders Russian Move to GNU/Linux .::. Size~: 80.87 KB | Dec 27 22:53 |
| MinceR | (java) http://grantkot.com/MPM/Liquid.html | Dec 27 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: MPM Demo .::. Size~: 3.9 KB | Dec 27 22:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he's like Mr. Marshmallow | Dec 27 22:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 27 22:54 |
| MinceR | Stay Puft Marshmallow Man? | Dec 27 22:54 |
| schestowitz | They are good on a spear, smoked | Dec 27 22:55 |
| MinceR | smoked on crossed proton rays? | Dec 27 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Lightening bolt | Dec 27 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Resurrecting the marshmallow | Dec 27 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Back to fluffy cloud with the G to the D, sup yo! | Dec 27 22:58 |
| MinceR | lol | Dec 27 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Jesus is a V I P with G O D | Dec 27 22:59 |
| schestowitz | the MC | Dec 27 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Hey, does Mr. G change clothes? | Dec 27 22:59 |
| schestowitz | And if not, does marshmallow dude get to see his weewee? | Dec 27 22:59 |
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