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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] sometimes news catches up with you after a long time; RIP Jeff Healey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xBgHcXsbGk awesome guitarist ;(Dec 26 00:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow..... This Collateral Damage movie isn't half bad....Dec 26 01:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @schestowitz: #RedHat tantalizes with search for space http://bit.ly/eBiMfc growing fast with !gnu !linux !unc #durham #rtpDec 26 01:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @schestowitz: #GNU #Octave a Compatible Drop-in Replacement for #MATLAB http://bit.ly/foalrtDec 26 01:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] for all you !ubuntu #firefox users having issues with #flash - here's an addon for you! http://ur1.ca/2oa4nDec 26 01:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Does #microsoft using the slogan "Life without walls" seem ironic to anyone else? !fs !gnuDec 26 01:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] NYT: Banks & WikiLeaks - Finally the idea is starting to get through that denying service without a court order is bad: http://wmk.me/eku9MoDec 26 02:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @brainspoil: cracked me up http://youtu.be/U4oB28ksiIo defcon18 vid. #loDec 26 02:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @webmink NYT: Banks & WikiLeaks - Finally the idea is starting to get through that denying service without a court order is bad: http ...Dec 26 02:59
Ender2070[18:32] <_Goblin> schestowitz, forget what I just said...it appears two RSS feeds have merged into one..........yours and Tuxmachines.Dec 26 03:01
Ender2070merged?Dec 26 03:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Kids’ Nativity: http://wmk.me/h3F3QrDec 26 03:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] watching "The One Ronnie" on #iPlayerDec 26 03:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @ender2070 There's reports you can look up. Should mention my wife used to be an educational assistant, and she used to read them all.Dec 26 04:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @therealjanisian: Quote of the day: "When in doubt, have a man come through the door with a gun in his hand." - Raymond ChandlerDec 26 04:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @lensassaman Visa & Mastercard are result of not investing in a decentralized digital currency, society. Now will you consider doing so?Dec 26 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Ok, so its the first time I've seen Mitchell Johnson bowl but he looks ridiculously like he's chucking :p meh! #theashesDec 26 05:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @WLCentral 2010-12-23 UN to look into complaints about treatment of Bradley #freeBradley !WikiLeaks !Cablegate wlcentral.org/node/686Dec 26 05:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @gbraad there is certainly nice stuff in #KDE... *hmmm* will keep it as my desktop environment at work > same hereDec 26 05:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @eff #Wikileaks Mirror Taken Down: Host Buckles Under Demands from Upstream Provider https://eff.org/r.4vQ #netfreedomDec 26 05:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @laurelrusswurm Humble Indie Bundle gift download code goes nicely in !cc Gift Certificate "wrap it up" to give #DRMfree #videoGamesDec 26 05:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If Humble Indie Bundle passes $1.75 in revenue, at least one game will become #freesoftwareDec 26 05:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @maymaym Add @SiteGround & @SoftLayer to anti-Wikileaks listDec 26 05:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @schestowitz $1.75 in revenue? But I paid 10! :PDec 26 05:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] the one Ronnie is not that good. a few laughs here and there... time for Jeremy Clarkson :-(, James May :-D and Richard Hammond :-P.Dec 26 05:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @pmoharper: Police officer charged with assault with a weapon but no handcuffs, not taken into custody...Dec 26 05:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @pmoharper: Police commit violent crime: no cuffs, no custody. Citizens commit no crime: beaten, imprisonedDec 26 05:51
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/61064117Dec 26 05:53
TechrightsBot-tr@Chris Moore (dooglus)'s status on Sunday, 26-Dec-10 05:36:53 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I paid more than that for it myself!Dec 26 05:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sorry for forgetting the "m" in $1.75m (in revenue, for Humble Indie Bundle)Dec 26 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz ♻ @WLCentral 2010-12-23 UN to look into complaints about treatment of Bradley #freeBradley !WikiLeaks !Cablegate wlcentr ...Dec 26 05:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @q4td “Then what are we fighting for?” — Winston Churchill in response to a suggestion of cutting arts funding to support the war eff ...Dec 26 05:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @Asher_Wolf 'Flipping Skirts' iPhone app still available at iStores. Wikileaks app censored. What does this say about #Apple's values?Dec 26 06:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @glynmoody] Is Western Union now blocking transfers to #wikileaks? - http://bit.ly/hCSX3c looks like it - any more info anyone?Dec 26 06:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] WikiLeaks: US Should Retaliate Against EU for Genetically Modifed Resistance http://huff.to/e4BH5D #gmo #bullying #patents #euDec 26 06:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Mauku is a complete waste in #China. Does not seem to respect proxy settings. !n900 (note: have message which are 7months old)Dec 26 06:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz @Asher_Wolf Corporations are inhuman; they're incapable of having "values"Dec 26 06:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @jwildeboer @bkuhn I find it #disturbing that you mix up my personal opinion and claim it must be Red Hat speaking. > Red Hat is peopleDec 26 06:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/GoldenScepter/status/18905331262300160Dec 26 06:32
TechrightsBot-tr@GoldenScepter: @schestowitz, I kicked @stonemirror's ass in a small flame-war. He emailed me many times on Christmas trying to regain his lost dignity.Dec 26 06:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @laurelrusswurm @schestowitz @Asher_Wolf Corporations are inhuman; they're incapable of having "values"Dec 26 06:33
schestowitzMicrosoft FLorian is attacking the FFII againDec 26 06:34
schestowitzSending them mass-mails to incite against one anotherDec 26 06:35
schestowitzI can't paste his smear campaign here, but here are his accompanying notes:Dec 26 06:35
schestowitz"Dec 26 06:35
schestowitzI know that you prefer not to use email, but some things are too long for Twitter and this here may be interesting background for you to read since you made a relentless effort to find out about the EIF situation (where I believe you understood a lot of things right except that you may not have fully considered the political clout of European pro-FRAND companies whose business models are in part based on participating in FRAND-basedDec 26 06:35
schestowitzstandard setting, which is a group that gets far more support among EU politicians than any US company).Dec 26 06:35
schestowitz Dec 26 06:35
schestowitzIn my opinion, you and your followers like gnufreex should not make things too easy on FFII, FSFE etc. On the EIF, you certainly didn't make things too easy for them. You know that Glyn is an honest guy and when Updegrove and others voiced similar views, a clearer picture emerged.Dec 26 06:35
schestowitz Dec 26 06:35
schestowitzThis email -- including the one to the FFII's leadership, which is attached below -- is just background information, not for publication. I just have to defend myself against claims of supporting the BSA when there is a clearly identifiable difference between what they said and what I said. Anyone is entitled to say that my position doesn't go far enough in terms of what FOSS wants, but one can't seriously say that it was the same asDec 26 06:35
schestowitzthe FRAND position.Dec 26 06:35
schestowitz"Dec 26 06:35
schestowitzFlorian is trying to divide and conquer, like Microsoft doesDec 26 06:35
gnufreexLol, that guy doesn't know when to give up.Dec 26 06:36
gnufreexI don't get... how I made too easy for FSFE..? This is just crazy talk.Dec 26 06:37
schestowitzSubject: Those @FFII tweets are a disgrace for your entire groupDec 26 06:38
schestowitzWhat an arse he isDec 26 06:38
schestowitzHe's trying to break FFIIDec 26 06:38
schestowitzTo turn some members aghanst othersDec 26 06:38
schestowitzFrom: Florian Mueller [mailto:florian.mueller.de82319@gmail.com]Dec 26 06:39
schestowitzSent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 6:52 AMDec 26 06:39
schestowitzTo: 'bhenrion@ffii.org'; rmages@ffii.org; uhlmann@ffii.org; 'arebenti@ffii.org'; amacfie@ffii.orgDec 26 06:39
schestowitzCc: 'jack@unix.sbg.ac.at'; 'info@softwarepatenten.be'; 'phm@a2e.de'; 'abarrio@ffii.org'Dec 26 06:39
gnufreexWhere he wrote that, I want to read all. schestowitzDec 26 06:39
schestowitzDisguesting mobbyistDec 26 06:39
schestowitzHe did this beforeDec 26 06:39
schestowitzTrying to create civil wars, so to speakDec 26 06:39
schestowitzWhy the h* does he care about the FFII?Dec 26 06:39
schestowitzHe doesn't like it? Then stay out of itDec 26 06:40
gnufreexThat link tries to trick me. Or so firefox says.Dec 26 06:40
gnufreexdo you have a link where he said this crap?Dec 26 06:40
schestowitzzoobab: the mobbyist is trying to cause trouble to FFII. He's a disgraceDec 26 06:41
schestowitzgnufreex: he mass-mailedDec 26 06:41
schestowitzNo linkDec 26 06:41
gnufreexAha, I just reread.Dec 26 06:42
gnufreexIt's emailDec 26 06:42
schestowitzI reckon he mailed others to just cause disrepute to FFIIDec 26 06:42
oiaohmFFII is stronger than FlorianDec 26 06:42
gnufreexI just don't get what he implies about FSFE and FFII wrt "roy's followers like me"Dec 26 06:44
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gnufreexThat dude is crazy. Either that, or he gets presured by Microsoft to increase propagandaDec 26 06:46
gnufreexBecause MSFT wants return on investmentDec 26 06:47
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gnufreexThey don't want to pay him to just throw cheap shots. But that is all he has.Dec 26 06:47
schestowitzCaPTN LoserDec 26 06:47
gnufreexlolDec 26 06:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @stuartotterson Well the whole #Wikileak melarky has had the benefit of introducing me to 2 interesting concepts in the form of !free ...Dec 26 06:48
schestowitz"RT @glynmoody: #Microsoft Likes European Interoperability Framework v2 - http://bit.ly/he6YWN you know what *that* means #openstandards"Dec 26 06:48
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gnufreexHe probably took it slow at start because he wanted to build credibility. But then employer wanted results, so he got presured to go more offensive towars everything FLOSS.Dec 26 06:49
gnufreexNow he has no credility.Dec 26 06:49
oiaohmNot exactly correctly.  gnufreexDec 26 06:50
oiaohmMore and more people are turn up and ripping his part lies apart.Dec 26 06:50
oiaohmSo just like a connered animal he is hitting out.Dec 26 06:51
gnufreexYeah, but at start he was pretty decent. Didn't insult and libel people and didn't talk crazy things like now.Dec 26 06:52
gnufreexThen he started attacking everybodyDec 26 06:53
gnufreexProbably because his employer lost patienceDec 26 06:54
gnufreex"Either make some trouble, or you are fired"Dec 26 06:55
gnufreexThen again, I might not have pay enough attention earlier. oiaohmDec 26 06:56
schestowitzI wonder if Blankenhorn was fired because of himDec 26 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @lxnews The FBI Indeed Tried to Backdoor OpenBSD http://bit.ly/gGWjMIDec 26 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] << zonked by the holidays... good night IdentiverseDec 26 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Possible Future Tectonic Shifts In The Electronic Industry: http://bit.ly/ei5jPgDec 26 06:56
gnufreexThat for sure.Dec 26 06:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   The FBI Indeed Tried to Backdoor OpenBSD .::. Size~: 25 KBDec 26 06:56
schestowitzBlankenhorn used to post more decent stuffDec 26 06:56
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schestowitzThen he provokedDec 26 06:56
gnufreexDid you see how Dana attacked Groklaw?Dec 26 06:56
schestowitzBut Florian made friendsDec 26 06:56
schestowitzEd Bott...Dec 26 06:56
schestowitzAnd some patent lawyersDec 26 06:56
schestowitzSee his twitter feedsDec 26 06:56
schestowitzHe ended up where he belonged all along - Microsoft  &patent parasitesDec 26 06:57
gnufreexAll Mueller's anti Groklaw FUD. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/groklaw-accused-of-censorship/7826Dec 26 06:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Groklaw accused of censorship | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 136.08 KBDec 26 06:57
gnufreexI think that is why Dana got firedDec 26 06:57
schestowitzIt's more like Florian got firedDec 26 06:58
schestowitzCause Dana lost control of the blogDec 26 06:58
gnufreexYeah. LoflDec 26 06:58
gnufreexlolDec 26 06:58
schestowitzNotice he doesn't have wingman nowDec 26 06:58
schestowitzNot for weeksDec 26 06:58
schestowitzSo he's back to posting in fauxpatents in GoogleDec 26 06:59
gnufreexI thought about flaming Dana in comments on that Groklaw post. I wrote message, but decided better notDec 26 06:59
gnufreexThen I heardDec 26 06:59
gnufreexDana got firedDec 26 06:59
gnufreexMaybe some people had same knee-jerk reaction like me.Dec 26 07:00
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_service_hit_with_data_breachDec 26 07:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft BPOS cloud service hit with data breach - Computerworld .::. Size~: 88.84 KBDec 26 07:00
gnufreexJust didn't hold backDec 26 07:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @lxnews "If those were written, I don't believe they made it into our tree. They might have been deployed as their own product."Dec 26 07:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @laurelrusswurm] Both Bryron Sonne and Bradley Manning have NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF ANYTHING - state abuse of power #FreeByron #FreeBradleyDec 26 07:04
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sebsebsebschestowitz: gnufreex I don't like this Jono article much at all.  A bit about Gnome and KDE  and history of Desktop Linux, and then a load about Ubuntu,  and  about the only thing I kind of like is his ending, how it basically says in 1998 Desktop Linux wasn't ready, but now it is to touch the lives of many people.Dec 26 08:20
sebsebseb,but you know so many other distros that did things with Gnome and KDE, before Ubuntu even existed, which this article fails to mentionDec 26 08:20
sebsebsebbig timeDec 26 08:20
gnufreexWhat articleDec 26 08:20
gnufreex?Dec 26 08:20
sebsebsebhttp://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/the-evolution-of-the-linux-desktop-914736?src=rss&attr=allDec 26 08:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The evolution of the Linux desktop | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 81.72 KBDec 26 08:21
sebsebsebI don't like the name of the article eitherDec 26 08:21
sebsebsebsince what it is for an articleDec 26 08:22
sebsebsebhttp://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/the-evolution-of-the-linux-desktop-914736?src=rss&attr=allDec 26 08:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The evolution of the Linux desktop | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 81.72 KBDec 26 08:22
sebsebsebit also feels like an article that is on techradar, but only, because Jono wrote/typed itDec 26 08:22
sebsebsebI mean the kind of article that it feels like they would only publish if someone famous in the Linux world had wrote/typed itDec 26 08:22
sebsebsebwhich is what has happended hereDec 26 08:23
sebsebsebalso most of the Ayatana changes are rubbish so far reallyDec 26 08:24
gnufreexAh, that jono's article. I don't read anything from canonicalDec 26 08:24
sebsebsebjust most users, have no idea, about that, so they think they are goodDec 26 08:24
sebsebsebgnufreex: I don't link to stuff like that on identica, but someone did I think it may have been schestowitz about to check thatDec 26 08:24
sebsebsebin fact I have like a rule, only mention Ubuntu on identica with good reason :DDec 26 08:25
sebsebsebsince yeah I don't want to promote that distro anymore, been there done that, and quite a lot,  when the distro was goodDec 26 08:25
sebsebsebgnufreex: anyway theres some good news,  Virtualbox 4.0 can do  Compiz Unity, so when I want to try it out again later on, I just need to be set up with that, and yep :)Dec 26 08:26
sebsebsebwhich means no need for a pshyical Ubuntu install, awesome!Dec 26 08:26
sebsebsebto try UnityDec 26 08:26
sebsebsebgnufreex: and Unity isn't that great really either, except for those that like docks and built in social networking features, for exampleDec 26 08:28
gnufreexGNOME3 has all thatDec 26 08:28
gnufreexAnd it is written by people who can codeDec 26 08:28
sebsebsebwell I haven't treid latest Gnome Shell, but seen stuff, and sure its more dock like as wellDec 26 08:28
sebsebsebgnufreex: it does make it clear that article, that Ayatana is like a mixture of people and a professional design team, but I pretty much new that anywayDec 26 08:29
sebsebseb,but yeah I guess Unity and so on, its basically these so called professioanl design people, thinking they can do better than the open source designers, and so Unity?Dec 26 08:30
sebsebsebopensource/freesoftware designers, and then these commercial propritary  Canonical designers hmmDec 26 08:30
sebsebsebgnufreex: also what Ubuntu has done is,  made a lot of people go to Desktop Linux, who think Linux distros are meant to compete against Windows, as in they don't know, that really no they aren't, they are meant to replace UnixDec 26 08:31
sebsebsebits just they happen to be good enough for many tasks,  to be able to replace Windows for that as well,  these past few years or soDec 26 08:31
gnufreexThey all use Macs and photoshop. Can't even bother to learn use Free Software.Dec 26 08:32
sebsebsebwell not all, but I know what you meanDec 26 08:32
sebsebseband yeah exactly many of them, want their propritary software in the Linux distro as wellDec 26 08:32
gnufreexNot like they can't pain Chuck Noriss crap in GIMPDec 26 08:32
gnufreex*paintDec 26 08:32
sebsebsebbe that commerical Windows games,  or Photoshop, or both,  or whatever it is that they want to run from the Windows worldDec 26 08:32
gnufreexBecause that is what wallpaper isDec 26 08:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] 365 Project Day 42: Red in the Sky http://ur1.ca/2obzgDec 26 08:33
sebsebsebyeah most of them want Windows apps, they just don't want the Windows OS, since the virsues or whatever, hmmDec 26 08:33
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sebsebsebgnufreex: in fact I read about someone who was coding C#Dec 26 08:33
sebsebsebI think for a business as wellDec 26 08:33
sebsebsebsome sort of comment I read to something not that long ago, anywayDec 26 08:33
sebsebseb,because of Mono, he was able to dump Windows for most of the stuff he did,  so like 80% or so of the computer useage as wellDec 26 08:33
sebsebsebor something like that, and I thought, uhmm surely this person should just stay on Windows reallyDec 26 08:34
gnufreexThat person will go back to Windows as soon as Mono gets killedDec 26 08:34
gnufreexSo no real gainDec 26 08:34
gnufreexLoss evenDec 26 08:34
gnufreexBecause he might advocate MonoDec 26 08:35
gnufreexAnd lure more pople to vaste their time with itDec 26 08:35
sebsebsebyeah I guessDec 26 08:35
sebsebseb,but yeah replaceing .NET like that with Linux,  uhmm why not just stay on Windows and use .NET if going to use that stuff, hmmDec 26 08:35
sebsebsebyou know what ever since 2004, when I started using Desktop Linux,  at times I would sort of like XP,  I don't hate Microsoft, I don't hate WindowsDec 26 08:36
sebsebsebyes I dislike them both at timesDec 26 08:36
sebsebseb,but I don't hateDec 26 08:36
sebsebseband I also know that sometimes people are better off with WindowsDec 26 08:36
sebsebsebgnufreex: there was someone in PC LInu OS support earlier getting help with something, and he/she thought things were about market share as well,  having distros competing against WindowsDec 26 08:37
sebsebsebI think let distros like Ubuntu go after the big targets such as Windows and Mac OS X, and yeah they will probably mess up as a result eventualy, going by history of distros that treid to do this, yep Linspire, Freespire and Xandros for exampleDec 26 08:38
sebsebseband then most other distros on the desktop, should make sure that there distro is better than Ubuntu really,  and things will be ok :)  yes they may still not get that popular, becasue of the lack of commercial marketing, but oh wellDec 26 08:39
gnufreexThey are going to damge entire ecosystemDec 26 08:39
gnufreexLike Novell didDec 26 08:39
gnufreexLinspire and Xandros never really had many usersDec 26 08:39
gnufreexSo nobody caredDec 26 08:39
sebsebsebyeah and also  at the time,  Linspire was the like joke of the Linux community or somethingDec 26 08:39
sebsebsebwell yeah its true, Ubuntu will also do harmDec 26 08:40
sebsebsebif people get a bad expereince with Ubuntu,  important hardware not just working for example, many will blame the whole of LinuxDec 26 08:40
gnufreexYeah, Linspire tried to reduce GNU/Linux to cheap Windows knock-off.Dec 26 08:40
gnufreexMuch like CanonicalDec 26 08:41
sebsebseband think it sucks as a result of thatDec 26 08:41
gnufreexBut Canonical managed to get people beleive their liesDec 26 08:41
sebsebsebwell yeah, except  Canonical is actsually trying to make it into poor mans Mac OS X now, but yeahDec 26 08:41
sebsebsebthats something elseDec 26 08:41
gnufreexThey at start talked about Free SoftwareDec 26 08:41
sebsebsebmany of the Ubuntu users, will think Mac OS X is good or at least the interfaceDec 26 08:41
gnufreex(although leter become obvious that they were talking about free as in beer)Dec 26 08:41
sebsebsebtheres this idea, that Mac OS X has the best interface by many peopleDec 26 08:42
sebsebsebgnufreex: would have been nice if Jono actsually mentioned other distros a bit in that article, but noDec 26 08:42
sebsebsebgnufreex: also if you ask him about other distros and what he thinks, he will be like,  its all good, its all opensourceDec 26 08:42
gnufreexWhat, he talks about "history of Linux" and never mentions anything other than Ubuntu?Dec 26 08:43
gnufreexI didn't readDec 26 08:43
sebsebsebin that aritcle you mean?Dec 26 08:43
sebsebsebyeah basicalleyDec 26 08:43
sebsebsebjust about desktop environments, and then goes on about Ayatana and UbuntuDec 26 08:43
sebsebsebbasicalleyDec 26 08:43
gnufreexSo more marketing spin. Ubuntu is all there is. Other is crap.Dec 26 08:44
sebsebseband says how in 1998 things were difficult to install,  something about 42 floppy discs even, and I am thinking what?Dec 26 08:44
gnufreexThat is all I hear from CanonicalDec 26 08:44
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sebsebsebgnufreex: maybe skim read it, at least read the begining, I don't want to quote from itDec 26 08:45
gnufreexokDec 26 08:45
sebsebsebgnufreex: one time though in his ustream, I basically asked,  when do you think Ubuntu might not be number one on distrowatch anymore, and then he was like, you mean when it goes crap?Dec 26 08:45
sebsebsebgnufreex: also in another ustream I asked about the  money making services in Ubuntu, and if having 8 was to much for example, and he was like, whats wrong with making money?  canonical has to pay people, and such, then I am like donations? and hes like that would be a lot of donationsDec 26 08:47
gnufreexLolDec 26 08:48
gnufreexBut that one I agree.Dec 26 08:48
sebsebsebwhat donations?Dec 26 08:48
sebsebsebor?Dec 26 08:48
gnufreexThere is nothing wrong with making money if there is no propriatary softwarae involvedDec 26 08:48
gnufreexOr other crap like that.Dec 26 08:49
sebsebsebwell Ubuntu One uses cloused source backendDec 26 08:49
gnufreexBut they sell propriatary softwareDec 26 08:49
sebsebsebalso in a way, buying commerical music is a bit like buying propritary softwareDec 26 08:49
gnufreexLandscape is propriataryDec 26 08:49
gnufreexThat is their #1 money makerDec 26 08:49
sebsebseband then yep the Ubuntu Software Centre sells closed source softwareDec 26 08:49
sebsebsebwhats Landscape?Dec 26 08:49
gnufreexA management toolDec 26 08:49
gnufreexFor UbuntuDec 26 08:50
gnufreexFor servers moslyDec 26 08:50
sebsebseband I think thats basically what Stallman would  say is wrong with Ubuntu, it allows people easy access to closed source softwareDec 26 08:50
sebsebseband they are also doing more than just the basics, like propritary graphics card driver, so hardware works properlyDec 26 08:50
sebsebsebthey are starting to sell it and yeahDec 26 08:50
sebsebsebof course to go main stream, they kind of have to try stuff like that, because of how most of their users are like, just wanting a free as in price alternative to Windows reallyDec 26 08:51
sebsebsebmany of them would use a closed source OS if it was free as in price, and goodDec 26 08:51
sebsebseband known about them by themDec 26 08:51
gnufreexYeah. That is problem. If you trust Canonical, and they recomend you non-free software (even advertise it in their Ubuntu Center) then you are going to use it.Dec 26 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @tom_watson: Ever been in a bookless home? Imagine a kid's world without them. Thanks, writers, 4 speaking out: http://gu.com/p/2m3kp/twDec 26 08:51
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sebsebsebi'll use closed source when I want to or have to, but yeah I like being mainly opensource/freesoftware :)Dec 26 08:51
gnufreexIf free OS advertises propriatary software, then people are going to use it. And they are not going to use 100% free os.Dec 26 08:52
gnufreexSo what RMS says make senceDec 26 08:53
gnufreexsenseDec 26 08:53
sebsebsebwell I guess Ubuntu will start being for many people, who want something like Mac OS X, but can't afford itDec 26 08:53
gnufreexI must go.Dec 26 08:53
gnufreexc yaDec 26 08:53
sebsebsebgnufreex: oh right, going out or?Dec 26 08:53
gnufreexoutDec 26 08:53
sebsebsebto do what? :DDec 26 08:54
sebsebseband yeah ok bye for nowDec 26 08:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] MeeGo tablet specializes in audio recording (LinuxForDevices) http://lwn.net/Articles/421074/rssDec 26 08:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !MeeGo tablet specializes in audio recording http://ur1.ca/2oc31 /via: @lwnnet #linuxdevicesDec 26 08:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: Sony's plans for their PS3 - A patent filing hinting on the future? http://tinyurl.com/35ylydb !ps3 !sonyDec 26 09:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes Man, I heard rumours crApple was going to buy Sony. I can't believe it, Sony is a much more larger company than crAppleDec 26 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes But, these mad days we're living on, anything can happen.Dec 26 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes And Hypephone as a gaming device? While its gfx look impressive, the lack of a joypad makes it horrible to play games.Dec 26 09:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @agentsmith Very true, but balance that with the "bonus" of only having to carry one device in the pocket.Dec 26 09:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes Yeah, but I would look elsewhere. I would look at Sony PS Phone. Powered by Android, I think, it will be a real contenderDec 26 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes 1 thing I've heard as a potential draw for WP7 is integration with live games, assuming they can get it right, which is unlikelyDec 26 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @thistleweb Flogging a dead horse springs to mind since both iPhone and Android platforms have established gaming.Dec 26 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes Btw, that workaround of yours decreased the cpu temp by 3 degrees. Nice. And cool! ;-DDec 26 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Good morning all, @schestovitz links Leaked images of mysterious Ubuntu powered tablet, link may be incorrect,what I have been waiting forDec 26 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes "flogging a dead horse" sounds like a position in an S&M party ;PDec 26 09:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @agentsmith excellent....I'll patent that idea!!!! ;)Dec 26 09:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Good morning all, @schestowitz links Leaked images of mysterious Ubuntu powered tablet, link may be incorrect,what I have been waiting forDec 26 09:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @openbytes not to be confused with an M&M party, they're always sweeterDec 26 09:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera I saw the pics. They look legit to me, not a doctored pic or something. What do u think ?Dec 26 09:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes Well, that's a hardware stuff. You can patent it, unfortunately to the rest of us... :-(Dec 26 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @agentsmith Sony won't be able to resist morphing Android to their own needs, no Market, only Sony's own with all their mods proprietary etcDec 26 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @agentsmith I followed Roy's link but no joy, can you send me your link?Dec 26 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @thistleweb I don't count Android in the open source side of the force. It's a lot like iOS, free in the base, but locked on the top.Dec 26 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera Just a minute, it's in my history cacheDec 26 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @agentsmith yeah the carriers do have a lot of power in destroying Android as a good user experience, in the greedDec 26 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] @mairin Sounds nice, let me guess :-) !inkscape had something to do with it, any chanc to see a prototype of your work?Dec 26 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Morning. #needcoffee. More info after that :-)Dec 26 09:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera here http://bit.ly/eFnprq and here http://bit.ly/fIMPt6Dec 26 09:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] single purpose devices like mp3 players are having to try a LOT harder to avoid people just using their smartphones as a single multi deviceDec 26 09:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @agentsmith Cheers, looking now.Dec 26 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the key is battery capacity, the last thing you want is to play tunes from the phone all day, need to make a call and the battery is deadDec 26 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @thistleweb Indeed, I have an mp3 player that I don't use anymore thanks to the gr8 player in my cell phone. I carry just 1 device this wayDec 26 09:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @thistleweb That's correct too. And I like to watch some videos on my phone, it also eats battery a lot.Dec 26 09:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @agentsmith at least if your mp3 player battery dies on the train, it's not your communication device, in case of emergencyDec 26 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @thistleweb True, but then, either I carry the mp3 or the battery recharger... ;-DDec 26 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @agentsmith my mp3 player battery is pretty decent, but I usually don't notice it's low when I leave the house, so it runs out while I'm outDec 26 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @agentsmith Yes, looks legit to me, I don't think it is clever Gimping.Dec 26 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Doing research for the !LO wrapup show...Dec 26 10:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] shallow as it may be, 18 months and 6 months pregnant later, do not expect to walk back into my life on Christmas day. #notthebesttimeDec 26 10:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @thistleweb My mp3 player became just a fancy pen drive. And sometimes, I carry my cell phone recharger.Dec 26 10:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Tristeza dá câncer. Por isso, pelo menos pela sua saúde, RIA, RIA, RIA. Alegria!!!Dec 26 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Sadness helps cancer to develop. So, at least for your health's sake, be happy, laugh, laugh, and laugh a lot! Cheers!Dec 26 10:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] New Blag post http://rix.si/index.php/DnDDec 26 10:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @schestowitz: ♺ @jmcesteves: RT @ioerror: how one should respond to a take down request about security research: http://ur1.ca/2o62jDec 26 10:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @trashbird1240 probably to anyone with a minimum sense of reality. But then again, they have like 70-80% of computer users fooled, so...Dec 26 10:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] via !tr via @glynmoody http://ur1.ca/2ocjf #floss !fsDec 26 10:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I'm 100% MICROS~1-Free again. Found the solution to my Skype Video problems and installed OpenMPT on PlayOnLinux 8-)Dec 26 10:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Listening to the excellent Linux Outlaws. Its about GT5...great stuff! Great title!Dec 26 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !wikileaks to release USA Tel Aviv embassy top secret files in 6 months !Palestine via !trDec 26 11:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera Now Assange's in trouble. Mossad is way more cruel than any other secret police. And they stop at nothing.Dec 26 11:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Música irritante da estação Pa panamericano http://t.co/O5Qv99sDec 26 11:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Annoying music of the moment Pa panamericano http://t.co/O5Qv99sDec 26 11:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @pmate ♻ @zack Assange: man of the year for #LeMonde http://ur1.ca/2o2el #france #wikileaks !debianizzati !fsfeDec 26 11:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: Note On Binayak Sen Judgement http://bit.ly/hfNb16Dec 26 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: Protest In Harvard Square Condemns Life-Imprisonment Sentence Against Noted Indian Physician Dr. Binayak Sen http://bit.ly/fbJDI0Dec 26 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: Judgement & Its Critique in the case against Dr. Binayak Sen http://bit.ly/hfNb16Dec 26 11:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !listening to old school electro hip hop and 12" 80's mixes. This website is a gem! http://ur1.ca/2ocxaDec 26 12:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if the UK impose fines on airports for being unprepared, they will pass it onto customers in price rises + the "fuck the gov" fee #profitDec 26 12:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Belated Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all !identica !linux !debian !crunchbang !identicurse group members. Have a great 2011 !Dec 26 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @methoddan: There will be live #ratholeradio tonight from 9pm (UK). Join us for post-xmas music and fun. It's gonna be good :)Dec 26 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] PlugBot May Create Hardware Botnets http://lxnews.org/2010/12/26/plugbot-may-create-hardware-botnets/Dec 26 12:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Christmas lunch at my parents...Dec 26 12:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @tux2 !VLC Player Coming To !Android In "A Matter Of Weeks" - http://ur1.ca/2o8vg Yes :-)Dec 26 12:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Microsoft Cloud Office Data Breach http://lxnews.org/2010/12/26/microsoft-cloud-office-data-breach/Dec 26 12:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] @jankusanagi I agree. Spammers are really annoying.Dec 26 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @mo6020: “Then what are we fighting for?” — Winston Churchill, response to a suggestion of cutting arts funding to support the war effortDec 26 12:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2010-12-26: WPHNA World Public Health Nutrition Association Very interesting article (series of artic... http://wmk.me/ijTvvzDec 26 13:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Porn Site Suing Google over Publication of Takedown Notices http://lxnews.org/2010/12/26/porn-site-suing-google/Dec 26 13:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is "incompatible wifi" just another way of saying "the missus doesn't agree"Dec 26 13:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @laurelrusswurm under this "rule" what esle is incapable of having values?Dec 26 14:04
schestowitz[08:20] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: gnufreex I don't like this Jono article much at all.  A bit about Gnome and KDE  and history of Desktop Linux, and then a load about Ubuntu,  and  about the only thing I kind of like is his ending, how it basically says in 1998 Desktop Linux wasn't ready, but now it is to touch the lives of many people.Dec 26 14:11
schestowitzWhich article is this referring to?Dec 26 14:11
schestowitzOh, nmDec 26 14:11
schestowitz[08:21] <sebsebseb> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/the-evolution-of-the-linux-desktop-914736?src=rss&attr=allDec 26 14:11
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oiaohmIn the year 2000 the Linux world thought they had almost everything in order.Dec 26 14:13
oiaohmThat a few more years everything would have been sorted.Dec 26 14:13
oiaohmThen the rise of exchange and active directory with closed protocals closed that door.Dec 26 14:14
oiaohmAnd the Linux world went and focused on other profitable things.Dec 26 14:14
oiaohmNow 2010 the tide has started to change.Dec 26 14:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Terrorism [IMG] http://www.reddit.com/tb/erk7rDec 26 14:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Search for Cardiac Analysis Code http://bit.ly/hvkSmU #heart #research #computervisionDec 26 14:19
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*amarsh04 is listening to "Free as in Freedom" expisode 0x03Dec 26 14:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Nearly Two Months With #Fedora 14 http://bit.ly/gSvpXU great distro, thanks #RedHatDec 26 14:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] " ӨВӨЛ " ЖОНОН - http://bit.ly/icsytw Mongolian pop music: pleasant stuff #mongolia #musicDec 26 14:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 2011 Resolutions – Professional Focus, Research, and Ethics http://bit.ly/fZPavs a bit early, but I was bored todayDec 26 14:29
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/18955898047176704Dec 26 14:31
TechrightsBot-tr@FFII: @schestowitz http://www.adjb.net/ is down. Do you have a copy?Dec 26 14:31
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title:  Where is there an end of it? | Alex Brown's weblog  .::. Size~: 100.14 KBDec 26 14:31
schestowitzHehDec 26 14:31
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mikeychey roy its mike i gotta question for youDec 26 14:36
mikeycthe cd rom wont eject on that pc i have of yours, is there a fix for this you know of?Dec 26 14:37
oiaohmExactly how is that a big problem.Dec 26 14:38
oiaohmAll cdrom drives have a manual eject button.Dec 26 14:39
oiaohmLarge paper clip works perfectly if the device is powered off.Dec 26 14:39
oiaohmmikeyc: what OS.  Linux?  If the drive is mounted you cannot eject either.Dec 26 14:39
schestowitzHey, mikeycDec 26 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @FFII Our #EPLA info page, a failed #EPO plan for their own patent court http://epla.ffii.org/ #swpatDec 26 14:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The EPLA plan for software patents .::. Size~: 41.67 KBDec 26 14:41
schestowitzmikeyc: even when you boot the machine?Dec 26 14:41
schestowitzI don't think we tested it when I was at yourDec 26 14:41
schestowitzI don't think we tested it when I was at yoursDec 26 14:42
schestowitzIt worked fine when I last tried, but that was years agoDec 26 14:42
schestowitzmikeyc: when you just start the PC will it eject? In BIOS, before the OS kicks in?Dec 26 14:42
*amarsh04 often uses the "eject" command in GNU/Linux if the button doesn't workDec 26 14:44
schestowitzamarsh04: we used to do that via SSHDec 26 14:45
schestowitzejecting the drive on other people's PCs at the lab :-)Dec 26 14:45
mikeycnot tried that yetDec 26 14:46
mikeyctaking cd rom outDec 26 14:46
mikeyccd rom unit wont eject no matter whatDec 26 14:46
mikeycalso that dgm monitor seems to be a bit faultyDec 26 14:48
mikeycwhen i turn it on a blue light comes on then it goes out and no pictureDec 26 14:49
mikeycthe big fat monitor is fine thoiughDec 26 14:49
schestowitzHmmmm....Dec 26 14:51
schestowitzDoesn't seem like anything I ever sawDec 26 14:51
MinceRmikeyc: can you unmount it?Dec 26 14:51
schestowitzIt worked OK before, maybe it went bad...Dec 26 14:51
MinceRperhaps something is keeping a file open on itDec 26 14:51
mikeyctrying to unmoiunt it nowDec 26 14:52
mikeycis there a check in ubuntu to see if a file is open on it, we are new to ubuntuDec 26 14:52
MinceRumount fails if a file is open on itDec 26 14:53
MinceRif you use Nautilus to unmount, it will probably tell you what's keeping it from being unmountedDec 26 14:53
MinceRbut there are other means as wellDec 26 14:54
mikeycok will try thanks mincerDec 26 14:54
MinceRnpDec 26 14:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Indamixx 2: A MeeGo-Powered Music Tablet http://lxnews.org/2010/12/26/indamixx-2-meego-powered-tablet/Dec 26 14:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @Crosbie As !copyright prohibits unauthorised duplication of the official record, it's easier to change history. Truth becomes sedition.Dec 26 15:04
oiaohmhttp://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/12/microsoft-versus-motorola-both-parties.htmlDec 26 15:05
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oiaohmYes MS still has no clue how far Motorola is prepared to go.Dec 26 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @Crosbie As the state grants #patents on medicines we get expensive palliatives. If we offered rewards for cures, we'd get curesDec 26 15:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz I wouldn't call it a rule so much as an observation. "Sociopathic corporations" (@Crosbie) are immortal artificial constructs.Dec 26 15:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] please, !kde, give me a hand in compiling trunk (with kdesrc-build). I keep getting this: http://wklej.org/id/444753/ Soprano built AOKDec 26 15:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz Corporations exist to make profit and protect themselves. they only "do good" if they profit. http://ur1.ca/2krwsDec 26 15:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz The problem is that people anthropomorphosize corporations. Disney is not bad or good, it just isn't human. It's a corporation.Dec 26 15:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @Crosbie The purpose of !copyright is for the state to enrich its beholden press - belittling its citizens' loss of cultural liberty.Dec 26 15:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Humble Indie Bundle #2 Rakes In $1.8 Million USD: The Hunble Indie Bundle #2 was a huge success. After quickly g... http://bit.ly/f8C9RQDec 26 15:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz ♺ @Crosbie The purpose of !copyright is for the state to enrich its beholden press - belittling its citizens' loss of cu ...Dec 26 15:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @laurelrusswurm rt @Crosbie If "Info is power" !Wikileaks is rectifies grievous imbalance between corporatocratic state & The People.Dec 26 15:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @Crosbie Sharing ©ulture & leaked corruption, boycotting sociopathic corporations, DDoS/cyber-occupation, will these safeguard liberty?Dec 26 15:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] VLC media player coming to !Android soon - The Sociable http://ping.fm/jDkiZDec 26 15:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @laurelrusswurm so what else though? NGO's? Governments? More?Dec 26 15:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @laurelrusswurm it's not the creative messiah, it's just a very naughty corporation #montypython #disneyDec 26 15:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #tips #cli #lowspecbox "20 Popular Command-Line Tips for Linux"http://www.tuxarena.com/?p=388Dec 26 15:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] YouTube - Home made electric prosthesis http://ow.ly/3utm8Dec 26 15:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 20 Popular Command-Line Tips for !Linux | TuxArena http://ow.ly/3utpCDec 26 15:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz Again, government is an artificial construct. As are NGOs. And copyright collectives. None of them are human.Dec 26 15:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @thistleweb But naughty implies they follow the same rules as we do. They don't, they're inhuman, and operate on different playing field.Dec 26 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @jwildeboer #mustread El Pais editor Javier Moreno explains #cablegate from his perspective. Very #insightful http://j.mp/gww6isDec 26 16:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] We are living in a global state that has been structured for the benefit of non-human entities with non-human goals. http://bit.ly/fKMOukDec 26 16:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Why EL PAÍS chose to publish the leaks · ELPAÍS.com in English .::. Size~: 133.69 KBDec 26 16:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] SPIEGEL: "Zehntausende dürfen unkontrolliert in den Bundestag" - steht ja auch "dem deutschen Volk" dran ... http://bit.ly/fi3oAIDec 26 16:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Anon plans Civil Rights Denial of Service protest on Bank of America at 1705 GMT on Monday 27th December !Wikileaks (via @AlexiMostrous)Dec 26 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter We are living in a global state that has been structured for the benefit of non-human entities with non-human goals. ht ...Dec 26 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] "...Windows Phone 7 can't yet hold a candle to iOS or Android for polish or content." (PCpro) !wp7 !microsoft http://tinyurl.com/28gnrfsDec 26 16:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes Good, at least one Micro$hit product doesn't hold a candle. Tired to hear Linux doesn't hold candles...Dec 26 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] TorrentFreak • by enigmax: Pirate Apple App Store Innovates With ‘Reverse BitTorrent’ http://ping.fm/zE129Dec 26 16:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Progress In Algorithms Beats Moore's Law - (Slashdot): http://bit.ly/fKYPFVDec 26 16:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @tom_watson finite incantatum 4Nick Clegg/ Harry Potter ditches lib dem leader (via @sunny_hundal) http://ur1.ca/2oeel <good 4 RadcliffeDec 26 16:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Daniel Radcliffe no longer under Nick Clegg's spell after tuition fees debacle   | Mail Online .::. Size~: 111.17 KBDec 26 16:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Detecting Rootkits on a Linux system using Chkrootkit and Rkhunter (Linux Poison): http://bit.ly/hFsfugDec 26 16:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Love #CC? Use CC licenses? What's it worth to you? $5? $25? $100? Show you care. Give back to CC http://bit.ly/9BUJjnDec 26 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @rysiek ♻ @telecomix: Al-Jazeera inside story abt !wl → http://ur1.ca/2nmvz /oh my, they say "hacker" and "!anarchism" like they're bad...Dec 26 16:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @hanniespice must find caffeinated beverage. This also works for me in the mornings. << oh I soooo get it :\Dec 26 16:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @agentsmith Microsoft will in my view say anything to sell another unit of any of their products. Vista, Kin..the list goes on.Dec 26 16:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @bkuhn: if you believe that FLOSS is "first and foremost" a development model, you've missed all the good parts that are #FaiF & LibreDec 26 16:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @bkuhn: I'm troubled at how many don't think FLOSS is a movement to improve the rights & freedoms of computer users. Quite disturbing!Dec 26 16:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] As more corporations tighten their grip, Darth, the more human beings will slip through their fingers <paraphrase :D >Dec 26 16:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @jankusanagi @archena let's hope so... !identica really needs better ways/filters to discourage spammers from even trying...Dec 26 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Elie Wiesel is a winner for shoah!" http://bit.ly/hCi0en Fox News says: "We report 'the facts', you decide"Dec 26 16:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Elie Wiesel is a winner for shoah! - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 36.34 KBDec 26 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @openbytes: "...WP7 can't yet hold a candle to iOS or Android for polish or content." (PCpro) !wp7 !microsoft http://tinyurl.com/28gnrfsDec 26 16:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @curlyrbr Have cofee. Have internet. Life is Good. << woo hoo, me too. :DDec 26 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @jwildeboer My gut feeling is that China is working on destabilising the dollar and euro. #WarOfCurrency #weltMachtGeldDec 26 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @jwildeboer Hungary's government should not be allowed to be EU president. It is disgusting how Orbán defends his censorship/1984 law.Dec 26 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @jwildeboer China is sitting on giant amounts of Dollars and Euros. Now they start using it to "invest" in BRIC countries but also here.Dec 26 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @gnufreex Windows ARM rumors are FUD/vapor. To freeze market and stop people from switching to ARM and GNU/Linux.Dec 26 17:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Assange named Le Monde Man of the Year http://bit.ly/h4g5Qz and today someone wrongly called me an "anarchist" for defending Wikileaks. ;-)Dec 26 17:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 26-Dec-10 17:10:54 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.73 KBDec 26 17:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @davidmarsden Mum reckons !United will miss Giggs when he retires because 'he's good at corners.' #FacehammerDec 26 17:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Finally some Christmas cheer. !ManUtd 2-0 Sunderland. Comfortable :)Dec 26 17:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] IMG: Incentive to Create http://bit.ly/hphY2M #copyrightDec 26 17:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Copyright helps creativity like B-52s help reconstructionDec 26 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @laurelrusswurm: As more corporations tighten their grip, Darth, the more human beings will slip through their fingers <paraphrase :D >Dec 26 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @schestowitz: ♻ @gnufreex Windows ARM rumors are FUD/vapor. To freeze market and stop people from switching to ARM and GNU/Linux.Dec 26 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @glynmoody Medvedev not worried about #wikileaks [ru] - http://bit.ly/dOyG3j showing the US how to play it: coolDec 26 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Eudxjxgatdmfzhzisx - Methinks Tony is suffering from Turkey overdose :)Dec 26 17:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Science flourishes where art and free speech flourish""~Neal Stephenson, CryptonomiconDec 26 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @canadiancynic: If Don Cherry wants to support the troops, he can grab a metal detector and walk 5 m. in front. If not, he can shut up.Dec 26 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Revenge of the Titans will go open-source at 1.75M! http://bit.ly/fvXhW3 now confirmed: http://bit.ly/erAOtS #freesoftware #gamesDec 26 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "interesting" choice of words in the title. #Android http://bit.ly/hxyk1n wonder how low the bar is to be employed as a "technology journo"Dec 26 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter RT @canadiancynic: If Don Cherry wants to support the troops, he can grab a metal detector and walk 5 m. in front. If n ...Dec 26 17:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @dyfet Bing is a "decision engine" in that Microsoft decides for you what you are not permitted to findDec 26 17:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @HDInstitute: This Email has Seven Days - December 27 - January 2 - http://eepurl.com/b5WNTDec 26 17:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @HDInstitute: Dec 26, 1791 - The Constitutional Act, which created Upper and Lower Canada, came into effect. http://ow.ly/3uu9hDec 26 17:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I love innovation; this one won't make me buy an #Apple product tho; http://bit.ly/fb7wIF wonder how long Stalin will take to send a DMCADec 26 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @DemocracyCanada: LIBS & CONS love FIRST-PAST-THE-POST, The MAJORITY will not be MARGINALIZED forever. #cdnpoli #proprep #fairvoteDec 26 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @trashbird1240 I'm watching the making-of Madagascar with my son: they say "#proprietary" like they're really proud of itDec 26 17:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @schestowitz @dyfet When I tried to use it, #Bing appeared to be an indecision engine.Dec 26 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @sabwanda wish u merry x-mas+ a leaksful 2011 !wikileaksDec 26 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @lxoliva Merry Grav-mass! ¡Feliz gravidad! // *attractive* holidayDec 26 17:41
amarsh04time to try kernel 2.6.37-rc7-git3Dec 26 17:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @rysiek "To have a government of the people, for the people, and by the people, well...you have to start with informing the people."Dec 26 17:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @diablod3 The best description of the government ever http://ur1.ca/2o1dv [IMG]Dec 26 17:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz @trashbird1240 "#proprietary" is good if you're the proprietor. It's good to be king. For the subjects... not so much.Dec 26 18:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Sony announces Android-friendly PS app http://tinyurl.com/29lr9ov !wp7 !android !iphone !microsoft !sonyDec 26 18:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I seem to have developed a love / hate relationship with #Drupal yesterday was a hate day, today restores the balance, it's a love dayDec 26 18:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thistleweb: @davidmarsden is that a new #wikileaks release of torture techniques? sit them down to 24/7 Corrie until they confess?Dec 26 18:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sabwanda/@sabwanda] "Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one." - Abbott Joseph Liebling !wikileaks !piratenberlin !piratenpartei true!Dec 26 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @sabwanda "Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one." - Abbott Joseph Liebling !wikileaks !piratenberlin !piraten ...Dec 26 18:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @laurelrusswurm @btabke The British Foreign Office accepts the media as fast - http://bit.ly/eLvkOQ - ask Mende NazerDec 26 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @sabwanda "Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one." - Abbott Joseph Liebling !wikileaks !piratenberlin !piraten ...Dec 26 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] methinks there was some letters missing / omitted in the public version "Freedom of the (op)press(ers to silence detractors at will)."Dec 26 19:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @jkoblovsky: Close to 11,000 people sign petition for refund of the PS3 version of Call of Duty BlackOps: http://bit.ly/fbAo83Dec 26 19:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] One of @jhibbets Open*Life favorites of 2010: Give me some of that old-time, open source religion | http://bit.ly/aduYsODec 26 19:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Wordpress admin panel shows no plugins yet when I try to install the one I want, it then says it is already installed. Gar!Dec 26 19:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What does a penguin mascot become when it loses its moral consciousness? A droid.Dec 26 19:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back in Bonn...Dec 26 19:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @lnxwalt140 RT @sjsf #PuertoRico struck by powerful 5.1 #earthquake. USGS: http://goo.gl/TvbfQ #PR #quakeDec 26 19:29
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amarsh04Christchurch NZ has had recent aftershocks (4.1) alsoDec 26 19:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @themadhatter Time for some Lolz: http://chzb.gr/gEbImhDec 26 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: Indian Justice Has Failed Dr Binayak Sen Petition in News. From NDTV http://bit.ly/g4CjEaDec 26 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: Indian Justice Has Failed Dr Binayak Sen Petition in News From Mid-day http://bit.ly/dUyPoQDec 26 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: RT @magneticresonan: I signed+the+"Indian Justice Has Failed Dr Binayak Sen"+petition!+http://petol.org/sen2010+#petolDec 26 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: RT @KhaasAdmy: @zigzackly I agree with you, it happens in India only. Raja,Radia, Kalmadi,Chauhan, Modi,Togadiya, Anant,yadur...Dec 26 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Samsung Galaxy S tops 9.3 million handset sales (Android) http://tinyurl.com/3yhdakn !wp7 !microsoft !androidDec 26 19:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @maymaym "it is up to us to make defending freedom of speech one of [@Amazon's] business interests." http://ur1.ca/2o39x Sharp & eloquent.Dec 26 19:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The "Invent with Python" Blog  — I am Boycotting Amazon for the Holidays .::. Size~: 42.78 KBDec 26 19:51
amarsh04btrfs support in GRUB2:  If you just want / to be btrfs, but have a separate non-btrfs /boot then you can use "bzr branch http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/trunk/grub/". If you want /boot to be on btrfs as well you'll need to use "bzr branch http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/branches/experimental/".Dec 26 19:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is psquid with 67 dents!Dec 26 19:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @yakutia Merry Christmas! Greetings from Yakutsk, the coldest city on Earth! http://bit.ly/fPNb80 #siberia #russia>> "-50C and below"Dec 26 19:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Wikileaks Has Committed No Crime http://bit.ly/hbxNMyDec 26 19:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Merry Christmas! Greetings from Yakutsk, the coldest city on Earth! | eYakutia.com | English Yakutia .::. Size~: 50.06 KBDec 26 19:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] word of the day: "empathiphany" /cheers, @telecomixDec 26 19:56
schestowitz_Goblin: these are Ballnux phonesDec 26 19:57
schestowitzMicrosoft makes money with them, even if they're AndroidDec 26 19:57
_Goblinschestowitz: but they are not wp7 phones....Microsoft may be able to frighten manufacturers but they can't frighten people into wanting WP7Dec 26 20:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: @MaheshMohanMU thanksDec 26 20:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: @deepakurup Bangalore mass protest is on 29th . Wednessday. Today there was a planning meeting in cubbon park. I am out of townDec 26 20:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[anivar/@anivar] anivar: @VKadarsh There are many initiatives. There was one in ITFOK thrissur. programmes are in planning at cochin & tvm .Dec 26 20:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] 2010 Trend Watch Update: Hardware Hacking https://eff.org/r.v6YDec 26 20:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 2010 Trend Watch Update: Hardware Hacking | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 21.24 KBDec 26 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Unwelcome Return of Platform Dependencies (TechCrunch): http://tcrn.ch/f51jPADec 26 20:18
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ThistleWebI dunno, paying people to wear zombie masks and hide behind dustbins to jump out at people when they put the rubbish out, screaming "YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'VE BEEN WINDOWS PHONE SERIES SEVEN'D" might work, the concept worked for Tango, and if Tango didn't patent it, Microsoft could easily claim it as their ownDec 26 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Doing more research for LO tomorrow....Dec 26 20:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @gnutoo: #replicant : 1st preview images out http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/replicant/images/replicant_2.2/preview/0001/ they are not completeDec 26 20:28
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schestowitz_Goblin: trueDec 26 20:34
schestowitz_Goblin: silver lie is dyingDec 26 20:34
schestowitzeven netflix is dumping itDec 26 20:34
Ziomatrixschestowitz, can I ask you a technical question on the best way to back up an image of a distro to an external FAT drive?Dec 26 20:34
schestowitzand wp7 uses wpfDec 26 20:34
schestowitzddDec 26 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @patcito American DEA has been transformed into a global intelligence organization with a reach that extends far beyond narcotics htt ...Dec 26 20:36
Ziomatrixschestowitz, but I don't know what to dd :-(. I read that the directory is usally ps3da, but thats for v6 of YDL and up. I'm running v.5.4Dec 26 20:36
schestowitzZiomatrix: http://schestowitz.com/UseNet/2006/October_2006_1/msg00953.htmlDec 26 20:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Re: PCLinuxOS screwed my Grub settings .::. Size~: 6.52 KBDec 26 20:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 26/12/2010: GNOME on GNUstep, Red Hat Upgraded http://bit.ly/eMUVro !techrightsDec 26 20:39
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Ziomatrixschestowitz, thanks but there seems to be an invalid operand size, I may just back up whatever documents I have onto the external and just wipe the PS3 anyway in preparation for the update. I fought against updating and $ony won.Dec 26 20:41
Ziomatrixschestowitz, perhaps some day when the PS3 is no longer their flagship console I can go back and use PSFreedom to unlock and downgrade to use OtherOS again at will. Or perhaps the USB bootload AbestOS will be up and running for unlocked systems.Dec 26 20:43
_Goblinschestowitz: you mean its still living....I didn't even come across Silverlight even when allegedly it was "alive"Dec 26 20:45
_Goblin*you mean its still living?Dec 26 20:46
Ziomatrix_Goblin, NBC was using to cover the Bejing Olympics onlineDec 26 20:46
schestowitzI think there's still that Italian channel which uses itDec 26 20:46
schestowitzUK TV dumped it mostlyDec 26 20:46
Ziomatrix_Goblin, but then by the time Superbowl came around they switched back to Adobe FlashDec 26 20:46
schestowitzI?Ch4Dec 26 20:46
schestowitzITVDec 26 20:46
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schestowitzHello, twitterDec 26 20:47
schestowitzMeery xmasDec 26 20:47
schestowitz*rrDec 26 20:47
twitterMerry Christmas to you again.Dec 26 20:47
schestowitzI was just about to do some coding in workspace 8Dec 26 20:47
twitterand thanks again for another nice news links section, it's like a present every day.Dec 26 20:47
schestowitzUnless there's something urgent which I doubt as there's no newsDec 26 20:47
twitternothing urgent here,  I just wanted to thank you.Dec 26 20:48
Ziomatrixschestowitz, btw in the link what should I change hddXXX to?Dec 26 20:48
schestowitzlet me check my commands dirDec 26 20:48
twitterhappy hacking!Dec 26 20:49
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schestowitzI can't remember where I put it...Dec 26 20:50
schestowitzroy@roy:~$ cd Main/Programs/Scripts/Dec 26 20:50
schestowitzroy@roy:~/Main/Programs/Scripts$ lessDec 26 20:50
schestowitzaliases.shDec 26 20:50
Ziomatrixschestowitz, when I open dev from the File System I just see a few folders and what looks like where all the firmware is storedDec 26 20:50
schestowitzaliases.sh~Dec 26 20:50
schestowitzbackup-baine-on-ext3-hdd.shDec 26 20:50
schestowitzbmp2eps-batch.shDec 26 20:50
schestowitzbot-days.plDec 26 20:50
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schestowitzboycott-novell.shDec 26 20:50
schestowitzCS-Scripts-mostly-from-2004-2005-for-starting-programs-fast/Dec 26 20:50
schestowitzDefinitions/Dec 26 20:50
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Ziomatrixschestowitz, I'm using Nautilus btwDec 26 20:50
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schestowitzindent-box-designs.txtDec 26 20:50
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schestowitzrpcping.plDec 26 20:50
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schestowitzSSH/Dec 26 20:50
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schestowitzyou can do it from GUIDec 26 20:50
schestowitzJust make hidden files visible and do it all as rootDec 26 20:50
schestowitzYou can use the ghsoting for Linux thingDec 26 20:51
schestowitzg4lDec 26 20:51
schestowitzhttp://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/Dec 26 20:51
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Ziomatrixschestowitz, I think I may need to contact Fixstar support to determine exactly which directory to backup. Its still terrible what Sony did.Dec 26 20:55
Ziomatrixschestowitz, but ultimately I already have a phone and laptop with Linux which is able to run to its fullest on those platforms so I'm set.Dec 26 20:56
ZiomatrixMinceR was right :-PDec 26 20:56
MinceRabout what?Dec 26 20:57
ZiomatrixMinceR: The PS3 never being a worthwhile platform for Linux developmentDec 26 20:57
MinceRoh.Dec 26 20:57
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ZiomatrixMinceR: CUDA is becoming a bit more of an open alternative for single floating point precision and vector crunchingDec 26 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Timing is not my strong point so I will get it in early and wide. All you people working for the common good in the new year, keep at it.Dec 26 21:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] ♺ @jargon: "Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." -DijkstraDec 26 21:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d95YFdubGrU << Jeff Healey - See The Light #quality amazing guitarist; jus' sayin'Dec 26 21:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] wow, Jeff Healey on Canada AM, short but wow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKP-3WkVpOIDec 26 21:44
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schestowitz_Goblin: "TechBytes is hoping for an episode tonight, however this will be dependent on my mobile hotspot holding out. "Dec 26 21:58
schestowitzAre you up for it?Dec 26 21:58
mikeychey roy, how do we update ubuntu 7.1 to 9.1, we have the cd download but it doesnt seem to be workingDec 26 21:58
mikeycafter putting cd in pce from boot upDec 26 21:58
schestowitzYou can boot from CDDec 26 21:58
schestowitzAnd then hit installDec 26 21:58
mikeycalso now trying to put it into usbDec 26 21:58
schestowitzI gave the CD IIRCDec 26 21:59
mikeycwhat doesthat meanDec 26 21:59
schestowitzDoes it boot OK into it?Dec 26 21:59
schestowitzAs a Live CD?Dec 26 21:59
schestowitzRunning from memoryDec 26 21:59
mikeycit picks it up start to install then just hangsDec 26 21:59
schestowitzDoes it start to install before you tell it to?Dec 26 22:00
mikeycthe blue kubuntu logo aPPEARS then it just hangs for agesDec 26 22:00
mikeycnoDec 26 22:00
schestowitzIt runs from memory in that session, might take 10 minutesDec 26 22:00
schestowitzI think it's 9.10Dec 26 22:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ahahahahahaha.....! Jeeves and Wooster swim back from the States. Best episode ending ever! :DDec 26 22:01
schestowitzor 10.04 maybeDec 26 22:01
mikeycwell the blue kubunto logo appears then the screen goes black the cd churns away and nothing seems to happen for agesDec 26 22:01
schestowitzI think it needs 15 minutes to be sure it's not movingDec 26 22:02
schestowitzIt's trying to run a live session on 256MB of RAMDec 26 22:02
schestowitzTO get to the actual installerDec 26 22:02
schestowitzDoes it give an option at the start?Dec 26 22:02
schestowitzLike before you get the kubuntu slash screen?Dec 26 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] And with that.... I'm off to bed. Tomorrow we'll record the LO year ender with @opensourcegeek.Dec 26 22:03
mikeyccDec 26 22:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @agentsmith No mate, they are not. It is just that they have the situation to flourish in and they do.Dec 26 22:04
schestowitzmikeyc: if 7.04 is working maybe it's fine for useDec 26 22:04
schestowitzthe 9.x or 10.c versions use KDE4Dec 26 22:05
schestowitzWhich is heavy and needs more RAMDec 26 22:05
mikeycbut we need flash player which wont work on 7Dec 26 22:05
schestowitzIs it not already installed?Dec 26 22:07
schestowitzFlash 8, IIRCDec 26 22:07
mikeycIt is, just not the latest version.Dec 26 22:08
schestowitzFor YouTube?Dec 26 22:09
schestowitzYouTUbe is soon moving off Flash to WebMDec 26 22:09
schestowitzwhich chromium supports very wellDec 26 22:09
schestowitzThe web browser from GoogleDec 26 22:09
mikeycThings like iPlayer on FirefoxDec 26 22:10
schestowitzOh, yeah.. they use FlashDec 26 22:11
schestowitzLet me check which distro would fit this hardwareDec 26 22:11
schestowitzWith 256mb of ram it's hard to use new versions of any OSDec 26 22:13
schestowitzEven 2008 releases https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/hppa/hardware-req.htmlDec 26 22:13
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*schestowitz checks http://www.linuxmint.com/Dec 26 22:14
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schestowitzlooking at http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1604Dec 26 22:15
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schestowitzThere's http://www.zenwalk.org/Dec 26 22:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: www.zenwalk.org - Ever tried zen computing? .::. Size~: 22.75 KBDec 26 22:16
schestowitzhttp://lightlinux.blogspot.com/2008/06/top-10-of-lightweight-linux_24.htmlDec 26 22:17
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schestowitzmikeyc: what does flash say when you try to install it?Dec 26 22:17
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/21/ivory-coast-gbagbo-death-squads-claimDec 26 22:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Death squads attacking Ivory Coast opposition, claims spokesman | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 86.14 KBDec 26 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @lxoliva Yes it can be used for HPC, but scientists are no fans of Microsoft. They don't like their plans to push technology backwards. lolDec 26 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Family insisted upon watching Eclipse (the movie). Not the worst movie ever, but in close range. Complete rubbish.Dec 26 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] US Senate votes for Russian nuclear arms treaty http://bit.ly/e6pJBq Democrats do good things, tooDec 26 22:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Spain should now consider a better system, one that can support artists while legalizing sharing. " -- @rms http://bit.ly/gKVQMsDec 26 22:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  US Senate votes for Russian nuclear arms treaty | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 234.48 KBDec 26 22:34
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_Goblinschestowitz: the bandwidth is bottoming out.....Im back home tomorrow so its definately no probs then......Dec 26 22:38
schestowitzOK, coolDec 26 22:39
schestowitzgnDec 26 22:39
_Goblingn mateDec 26 22:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @trashbird1240 “Life without walsl” campaign started out as “Life without Gates” !fs !gnuDec 26 22:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Tired of same-old commercialism? Download Cory Doctorow's "With a Little Help" as a free Ogg audiobook: http://wmk.me/ibV7UgDec 26 22:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @webmink bank neutrality, anyone? sounds like blocking payments might be a nice way to explain need for net neutralityDec 26 22:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Download audiobook | Cory Doctorow – With a Little Help .::. Size~: 64.12 KBDec 26 22:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @lxoliva You may like this "Word Without Walls" story: http://wp.me/pH8ns-50Dec 26 22:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ✍ In A World Without Walls… « Wild Webmink .::. Size~: 58.27 KBDec 26 22:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera Anyway, I wouldn't want them on my trail. ;-DDec 26 23:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Had to log back on to say England bowled the Aussies out for 98 and are 157 for 0 YA BLOODY HOO! Night all :)Dec 26 23:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @schestowitz: Terrorism [IMG] http://www.reddit.com/tb/erk7rDec 26 23:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TERRORISM via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.61 KBDec 26 23:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @schestowitz I object to that assessment. Android shares Linux's mindset as to accepting non-Free code and fighting for TivoizationDec 26 23:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/opinion/26sun3.html?_r=2&partner=rssnyt&emc=rssDec 26 23:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @webmink thanks for the tip. I remember when I first read about that prank. great one!Dec 26 23:26
gnufreexwtf... https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CD_Burning#License:Dec 26 23:26
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gnufreexArchWiki recomending propriatary softwareDec 26 23:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @lxoliva Google wants its iOS. Unhappily with Android, they might get it. Pity 4 all the communityDec 26 23:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @schestowitz A[n] droid. #ftfyDec 26 23:38
Ender2070oh noesDec 26 23:47
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