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| qu1j0t3 | happy new year | Jan 01 12:48 |
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| schestowitz | Hello there | Jan 01 12:54 |
| schestowitz | I have some news about Friedman | Jan 01 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Shilling for Gates & Arne Duncan now | Jan 01 12:54 |
| schestowitz | And I have over 10 posts about Gates and other plutocrats coming | Jan 01 12:54 |
| schestowitz | But that's not a major thing... just something I had in mind. Are you still in land/continent of the oppressed (by Fruit Company, Kissinger, CIA, etc)? | Jan 01 12:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Quadrescence maybe of interest? http://lwn.net/Articles/420833/ | Jan 01 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Scilab 5.3.0 released [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 5.98 KB | Jan 01 12:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yep | Jan 01 12:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Friedman - no surprise there. | Jan 01 12:57 |
| schestowitz | I tried scilab | Jan 01 12:57 |
| schestowitz | I have it installed and got some feedback from devs | Jan 01 12:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Friedman is a leading cheerleader for 'globalisation' (as in, theft). He's either a 'believer' or is happy to act as one. | Jan 01 12:58 |
| schestowitz | When you're back I want you to please read the log and discuss w/ us | Jan 01 12:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i saw the log | Jan 01 12:59 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: Road to Damascus | Jan 01 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Conquest... | Jan 01 12:59 |
| schestowitz | Imagine if Lebanon paved a road to Tel Aviv... | Jan 01 12:59 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, I do see the NYT also doing puff pieces | Jan 01 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Good to know though that they ran with Ellsberg | Jan 01 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it was less corrupted back then? Somehow I doubt it. | Jan 01 13:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | http://lwn.net/Articles/420720/ | Jan 01 13:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Canonical and the Ubuntu project release the Ubuntu Font Family for the web [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 12.54 KB | Jan 01 13:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's an interesting question | Jan 01 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile Red Hat makes a kernekl | Jan 01 13:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: things are rather more entrenched now, i think. | Jan 01 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Canonical still tries to outMac the Mac | Jan 01 13:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the culture has changed | Jan 01 13:01 |
| schestowitz | NYT is *very* debt-saddled for years | Jan 01 13:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: we're talking 35 years of marination in Murdoch's tripe | Jan 01 13:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Murdoch wasn't around, the public was free to react in a civilised way once the veil dropped | Jan 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz | So it's an easy target for either subsidy support from govt. or those Gates 'donations' | Jan 01 13:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: now we have an uncivilised public, de-civilised | Jan 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Gates has just bought what seems like Africa's biggest news site | Jan 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Oh, and PBS | Jan 01 13:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | fuck | Jan 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz | For Huff he pays w/ dinners and powers I reckon... | Jan 01 13:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | no shit | Jan 01 13:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | from our conv the other day one has to wonder what her husbadn is doing | Jan 01 13:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | offshore drilling? | Jan 01 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Fox is killing NYT | Jan 01 13:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | Fox calls NYT liberal media | Jan 01 13:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's a trick | Jan 01 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Gets higher rating for being trash tablod that tells people what they want rather than what's true | Jan 01 13:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | good cop/bad co | Jan 01 13:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | cop | Jan 01 13:03 |
| schestowitz | So maybe NYT tries to compete on these terms | Jan 01 13:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | if you don't like "our" message, why, you dirty liberal, go read NYT or HuffPo | Jan 01 13:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that's what HuffPo does. | Jan 01 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Left/right - both corporations | Jan 01 13:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's adopted tabloidism, which is Murdoch's method | Jan 01 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Both focus on wrong debates | Jan 01 13:04 |
| schestowitz | e.g. in climate | Jan 01 13:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes | Jan 01 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Science or American journals don't | Jan 01 13:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | always the wrong debate. that's the tactic. | Jan 01 13:04 |
| schestowitz | They deal with the real debates | Jan 01 13:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | also, reputation laundering for Gates etc | Jan 01 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Argh... | Jan 01 13:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | paint everything as its opposite | Jan 01 13:05 |
| schestowitz | You have no idea how much I have to write about it | Jan 01 13:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | globalisation is "benefiting the poor" | Jan 01 13:05 |
| schestowitz | I think like 2mb of text | Jan 01 13:05 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: following commands | Jan 01 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Obey your masters, you'll get bunk | Jan 01 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Globalisation in the harmony sense | Jan 01 13:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't use the work globalisation | Jan 01 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Neither should any of u | Jan 01 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Neither should any of us | Jan 01 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Like "climate change" | Jan 01 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Originally brought up in the 80s IIRC but not for malicious reasons | Jan 01 13:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | right, it belongs in quotes | Jan 01 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Later co-copted by a guy who does not even believe this crock he started | Jan 01 13:06 |
| schestowitz | globaliations is more like corporatisation | Jan 01 13:07 |
| schestowitz | they don't like borders and policies so much | Jan 01 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Policies grant and protect rights of *people* | Jan 01 13:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jan 01 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Setting boundaries | Jan 01 13:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | can always be defeated by forcing an "F"TA at gunpoint | Jan 01 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Jan 01 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Like the ones for swpat now | Jan 01 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Several of them | Jan 01 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Cabalegate is good for exposing those | Jan 01 13:08 |
| schestowitz | The negotiation processes | Jan 01 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Inc. some recently-revealed ACTA ones | Jan 01 13:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes | Jan 01 13:09 |
| schestowitz | I think I'll switch on the boiler for some "temperature change" and globalise the apartment with my neighbour's | Jan 01 13:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | i mean we knew it was going on.. just didn't haveevidence | Jan 01 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Ye | Jan 01 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 01 13:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | hm, Salon.com just showed me an interstitial ad for NYT | Jan 01 13:09 |
| schestowitz | I added your Salon link | Jan 01 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Shame on you! | Jan 01 13:09 |
| schestowitz | So jealous! | Jan 01 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Of those rich heroes | Jan 01 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch... everyone envies him. His reporting is so spectacular.. | Jan 01 13:10 |
| schestowitz | There's lots more about Gates as of late | Jan 01 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Last night I caught up with 2.5 months of Gates news | Jan 01 13:11 |
| schestowitz | It was hard to keep a straight face :-) | Jan 01 13:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Jan 01 13:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | theres a connction between news and soap opera | Jan 01 13:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | was here watching a soap with my wife (who loves them... theyre v popular in brazil) | Jan 01 13:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | of course soap is escapism | Jan 01 13:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | i hate it, actually. i just watched for 5 min | Jan 01 13:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | to analyse | Jan 01 13:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | generally they are about the lives of the rich | Jan 01 13:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | and WHITE | Jan 01 13:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | in this one, everybody had the pallor of a corpse, a michael jackson.. | Jan 01 13:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | in brazil that's absurd | Jan 01 13:14 |
| schestowitz | h | Jan 01 13:14 |
| schestowitz | [13:14] <qu1j0t3> and WHITE | Jan 01 13:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | but you can see how they mix the drug of escapism | Jan 01 13:15 |
| schestowitz | But what about Oprah? | Jan 01 13:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | lol | Jan 01 13:15 |
| schestowitz | And Trisha? | Jan 01 13:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | Oprah isn't soap, tho | Jan 01 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Soap opera live on stge | Jan 01 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Esp. Trisha in the UK | Jan 01 13:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's just a trick of soaps, whiten everybody | Jan 01 13:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | even in the US they don't show BLACKS | Jan 01 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Tiffs on stage | Jan 01 13:15 |
| schestowitz | SFW Jerry Springer | Jan 01 13:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | only the mocha colour is allowed to get famous | Jan 01 13:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | Gabourey Sidibe is an extremely unusual exception | Jan 01 13:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | if her fame endures | Jan 01 13:16 |
| schestowitz | And Michelle Obama | Jan 01 13:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | but her husband is not as BLACK as Mugabe | Jan 01 13:16 |
| schestowitz | It's politically incorrect to discuss it | Jan 01 13:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | sure | Jan 01 13:16 |
| schestowitz | But black people ought to raise the issue and I suspect some do | Jan 01 13:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, there's white people's tv and black people's tv | Jan 01 13:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | i've seen people on twitter refer to 'honky twitter' | Jan 01 13:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | as a different group | Jan 01 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Maybe by embrace of ebony they can gradually get to treat people as people and not as "brands" of people | Jan 01 13:17 |
| schestowitz | I keep hearing phrases like the "Bontonians" | Jan 01 13:17 |
| schestowitz | *Bostonians" | Jan 01 13:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | oh., the world is not colourblind and won't be for a very long time schestowitz | Jan 01 13:17 |
| schestowitz | About kids from Bostons | Jan 01 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Or foreign workers having their nationality intermixed with their accupation | Jan 01 13:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: you do realise that there's separate tv for whites and blacks | Jan 01 13:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: segregation exists everywhere if you look | Jan 01 13:18 |
| schestowitz | People don't even notice the racism in what they say, it becomes normalised | Jan 01 13:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes. assumptions. happens here too, Br has a de facto caste system | Jan 01 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Typecasting of sorts | Jan 01 13:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | absolutely | Jan 01 13:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | if you are white, European... you have money | Jan 01 13:19 |
| schestowitz | I know x people who do y and are matching Z criteria | Jan 01 13:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | the sad part is.. it's gneerally a reflection of reality | Jan 01 13:19 |
| schestowitz | {Z} | Jan 01 13:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's not egalitarian | Jan 01 13:20 |
| schestowitz | I found a story yesterday about it... | Jan 01 13:20 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it offhand | Jan 01 13:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | the novelas (soaps) reinforce it | Jan 01 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Another couple of black people arrested or something for entering their own house | Jan 01 13:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | fuck tv | Jan 01 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Like the Gates-Obama episode, but this one is more 'street' | Jan 01 13:20 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: TV is not the problem | Jan 01 13:21 |
| schestowitz | it shows images | Jan 01 13:21 |
| schestowitz | The problem is cable | Jan 01 13:21 |
| schestowitz | The content | Jan 01 13:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: tv is a way of establishing a 'norm' | Jan 01 13:21 |
| schestowitz | My monitors do the same thing | Jan 01 13:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | most effective means yet | Jan 01 13:21 |
| schestowitz | But they are connected to the Internet, which sadly is under attack by govts now | Jan 01 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Not just US govt. | Jan 01 13:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: internet != tv | Jan 01 13:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | tv is something else. | Jan 01 13:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | deeply problematic | Jan 01 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Read this one two days ago | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | "http://www.truth-out.org/2011-a-brave-new-dystopia66307 | Jan 01 13:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: 2011: A Brave New Dystopia .::. Size~: 62.32 KB | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | ' | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | The result is a monochromatic system of information. Celebrity courtiers, masquerading as journalists, experts and specialists, identify our problems and patiently explain the parameters. All those who argue outside the imposed parameters are dismissed as irrelevant cranks, extremists or members of a radical left. Prescient social critics, from Ralph Nader to Noam Chomsky, are banished. Acceptable opinions have a range of A | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | to B. The culture, under the tutelage of these corporate courtiers, becomes, as Huxley noted, a world of cheerful conformity, as well as an endless and finally fatal optimism. We busy ourselves buying products that promise to change our lives, make us more beautiful, confident or successful as we are steadily stripped of rights, money and influence. All messages we receive through these systems of communication, whether on | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | the nightly news or talk shows like “Oprah,” promise a brighter, happier tomorrow. And this, as Wolin points out, is “the same ideology that invites corporate executives to exaggerate profits and conceal losses, but always with a sunny face.” We have been entranced, as Wolin writes, by “continuous technological advances” that “encourage elaborate fantasies of individual prowess, eternal youthfulness, beauty | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | through surgery, actions measured in nanoseconds: a dream-laden culture of ever-expanding control and possibility, whose denizens are prone to fantasies because the vast majority have imagination but little scientific knowledge.” | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [...] | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | The façade is crumbling. And as more and more people realize that they have been used and robbed, we will move swiftly from Huxley’s “Brave New World” to Orwell’s “1984.” The public, at some point, will have to face some very unpleasant truths. The good-paying jobs are not coming back. The largest deficits in human history mean that we are trapped in a debt peonage system that will be used by the corporate state | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | to eradicate the last vestiges of social protection for citizens, including Social Security. The state has devolved from a capitalist democracy to neo-feudalism. And when these truths become apparent, anger will replace the corporate-imposed cheerful conformity. The bleakness of our post-industrial pockets, where some 40 million Americans live in a state of poverty and tens of millions in a category called “near poverty,” | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | coupled with the lack of credit to save families from foreclosures, bank repossessions and bankruptcy from medical bills, means that inverted totalitarianism will no longer work. | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | ' | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [13:21] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: internet != tv | Jan 01 13:22 |
| schestowitz | TV is an appliance | Jan 01 13:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | "The façade is crumbling" | Jan 01 13:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm not sure about that. | Jan 01 13:23 |
| schestowitz | But it's the thing you connect it to and the broadcast method (push, not pull) that emits so much rubbish at unwanted times and audience | Jan 01 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Imageine not running a site | Jan 01 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Imagine being given a couch potato | Jan 01 13:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the problem isn't that it's rubbish | Jan 01 13:23 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: time changes. Remember ICQ | Jan 01 13:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's that it entrenches a faulty norm | Jan 01 13:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: by now, so far entrenched you can't see the sky any more | Jan 01 13:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | 40 years of shit | Jan 01 13:23 |
| schestowitz | You are in total control of the junk you send at the potato, no need to make sense cause click away is to another disparate point (channel) | Jan 01 13:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's like voting | Jan 01 13:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: all channels show the same | Jan 01 13:24 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: what about facebook is new and unique to what there was before it. | Jan 01 13:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | Facebook doesn't address the problem | Jan 01 13:24 |
| schestowitz | ICQ killed IRC for me at its time | Jan 01 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Facebiij creates the problem | Jan 01 13:24 |
| oiaohm | BBS sites remember those. qu1j0t3 | Jan 01 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Not address any | Jan 01 13:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: yes, but it's nothing to dow ith what i'm talking about. | Jan 01 13:25 |
| schestowitz | People could use mail and knew each other's faces before that | Jan 01 13:25 |
| schestowitz | They didn't have total strangers poking at their feet before | Jan 01 13:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: for example, the middle class has TV on 24 hours a day, in every room. | Jan 01 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Some BBS sites were known for being as bad as facebook on taken things. | Jan 01 13:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: you and I don't, obviously. but they do. | Jan 01 13:25 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: things will move on. | Jan 01 13:25 |
| oiaohm | TV will change. | Jan 01 13:26 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: so what class are we? | Jan 01 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Internet will change. | Jan 01 13:26 |
| schestowitz | [13:25] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: for example, the middle class has | Jan 01 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Outclassed? | Jan 01 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Google solves a problem indexing so they remain. | Jan 01 13:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's a valid generalisation | Jan 01 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Facebook does not solve a particular problem. | Jan 01 13:26 |
| oiaohm | So its only a temp wind. | Jan 01 13:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's hard to say what term would be better. I could write a sentence, like, those who by luck and accidental birth fell on the affluent side of the wedge | Jan 01 13:26 |
| oiaohm | All we can hope is that its replacement is better not worse. | Jan 01 13:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: It's the ego problem | Jan 01 13:27 |
| schestowitz | People feel not cared for | Jan 01 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Then they start clicking on buttons | Jan 01 13:27 |
| schestowitz | It's like WoW | Jan 01 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Parallel virtual worlds | Jan 01 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Before Wow there was mud and mush. | Jan 01 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Where they can outpace their friends' *real* # of friends | Jan 01 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Nothing is new at this stage. | Jan 01 13:27 |
| oiaohm | mush was also know for collect stacks of fake friends. | Jan 01 13:28 |
| oiaohm | mush also allowed players to customise the game like facebook does. | Jan 01 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Even more so. | Jan 01 13:28 |
| schestowitz | With Twitter there's at least the notion of follower, not friend | Jan 01 13:28 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem I am too old I have seen that much tech come and go. | Jan 01 13:28 |
| schestowitz | So it's a syndication centralisation service of sorts | Jan 01 13:29 |
| oiaohm | You learn from it. Tech that last must truly solve a problem. | Jan 01 13:29 |
| schestowitz | But FB added the "like" antifeaure | Jan 01 13:29 |
| oiaohm | More important thing at moment is phones decide to standard there connection to computers. | Jan 01 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Twitter does not solve much of a problem, either. Identi.ca does better at making conversations with multiple people | Jan 01 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Identi.ca is more likely to last than twitter. | Jan 01 13:30 |
| oiaohm | But twitter is cheeper than the texting some people were using before it. | Jan 01 13:31 |
| oiaohm | So yes sneakly twitter does solve a problem. | Jan 01 13:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techeye.net/software/tsar-putin-orders-microsoft-off-government-computers | Jan 01 13:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Tsar Putin orders Microsoft off government computers - Payback time for insult | TechEye .::. Size~: 29.12 KB | Jan 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if qu1j0t3 saw it | Jan 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Cuba too | Jan 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Now Microsoft will call it "communism" | Jan 01 13:34 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they don't need to pay for SMS if they use API to twitter, I guess? | Jan 01 13:35 |
| schestowitz | i never thought of it like that | Jan 01 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's cause I dumped mobile phones 7-8 years ago :-D | Jan 01 13:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes i saw it | Jan 01 13:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it gave me flashbacks to my visits to moscow. i've seen this kind of "document". Russian mentality may kill this initiative. | Jan 01 13:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Windows is extremely entrenched there. | Jan 01 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Under SMS you have to pay for each person you want to send the short message to. schestowitz | Jan 01 13:37 |
| oiaohm | twitter fits into a small edge area. | Jan 01 13:37 |
| oiaohm | So far we have not seen twitter used for flash mobs | Jan 01 13:38 |
| oiaohm | But it will come. | Jan 01 13:39 |
| schestowitz | [13:36] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: it gave me flashbacks to my visits to moscow. i've seen this kind of "document". Russian mentality may kill this initiative. | Jan 01 13:39 |
| schestowitz | WHO is Inishative? Where is he? | Jan 01 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Really I am wondering what country will be first to make it illegel to have a copy of MS windows inside it boarders. | Jan 01 13:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: Venezuela :) | Jan 01 13:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: i wonder if that will happen in my lifetime. | Jan 01 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Rate of progress suggests about 10 to 15 years. | Jan 01 13:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | in a way I think Stuxnet was a fantastic failure, as it alerted people to the real danger | Jan 01 13:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | i mean , a failure for those who tried to use it | Jan 01 13:43 |
| oiaohm | But a one of the edge countories due to a failure like Stuxnet could do it in the next 1 to 2 | Jan 01 13:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: yes | Jan 01 13:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut | Jan 01 13:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: it is not as easy as it sounds... | Jan 01 13:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: it could only be practical for certain subsets of applications | Jan 01 13:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: you could never take windows from this 'middle class' i speak of. | Jan 01 13:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: it's an opiate... | Jan 01 13:44 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: really you are wrong | Jan 01 13:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | o? | Jan 01 13:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | i am? | Jan 01 13:44 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: the middle class is already starting to let go of windows. | Jan 01 13:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | not in countries I visit. | Jan 01 13:45 |
| oiaohm | ipads...... | Jan 01 13:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | LOL! | Jan 01 13:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: you're kidding | Jan 01 13:45 |
| oiaohm | I said starting. | Jan 01 13:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: you can't get those here. there's a 100% duty. | Jan 01 13:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | there will be no inroads to the 99% of computer users on windows. | Jan 01 13:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | maybe 0.001% can afford ipad here | Jan 01 13:45 |
| oiaohm | android devices | Jan 01 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Meego devices could be the big threat. | Jan 01 13:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | on desktops | Jan 01 13:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm talking about windows on desktop | Jan 01 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Have you seen a android device hooked up to a docking station. | Jan 01 13:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes, linux on phones will make inroads, but it's a totally distinct market | Jan 01 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Yes and no. | Jan 01 13:46 |
| oiaohm | The edges between desktop and phone are breaking down. | Jan 01 13:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's very hard to say what would convince 'ordinary people' to move off windows. they have never been exposed to the issues, the context. | Jan 01 13:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | they have no way to process information about this level of choice. | Jan 01 13:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | this is microsoft's tactic | Jan 01 13:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | define PC as Windows PC | Jan 01 13:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | succeeded | Jan 01 13:47 |
| MinceR | that's crApple's tactic as well | Jan 01 13:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | sure, in 20 yrs it may be a bit different | Jan 01 13:48 |
| schestowitz | then France taxes just linux for copyrights | Jan 01 13:48 |
| schestowitz | And apple | Jan 01 13:48 |
| schestowitz | as though PCs are not the problem | Jan 01 13:48 |
| oiaohm | You look at lot of business desktops. qu1j0t3 what are they. | Jan 01 13:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | in fact i was thinking, if i lived here, i'd start doing linux activism | Jan 01 13:48 |
| schestowitz | afaik it's PCs that most people d/l stuff illegally with | Jan 01 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Lot of them are thin clients. qu1j0t3 | Jan 01 13:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: they are Windows, in Brazil, Russia, and India. | Jan 01 13:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: in Brazil and Russia, Windows is total | Jan 01 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Something android phones are powerful enough todo. | Jan 01 13:49 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: but you can move some of it | Jan 01 13:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: sure | Jan 01 13:49 |
| schestowitz | Like moving to Fedora+Octave | Jan 01 13:49 |
| schestowitz | They won't know the difference | Jan 01 13:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i was thinkig that linux trainig, support and so on might make an interesting business if i lived here | Jan 01 13:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: growth business | Jan 01 13:49 |
| schestowitz | You can install Firefox on Windwos for a person, no complaints... | Jan 01 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Really how many key apps they depend on would not run from windows terminal services. qu1j0t3 | Jan 01 13:50 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: what did you think of what was raised in IRC? | Jan 01 13:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: it may change, but my point is that right now, windows has total command in these markets. | Jan 01 13:50 |
| oiaohm | The desktop could be gone quite quicky. | Jan 01 13:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: home and busness | Jan 01 13:50 |
| oiaohm | That is a problem I have. | Jan 01 13:50 |
| oiaohm | I service a few Linux only businesses. | Jan 01 13:50 |
| schestowitz | http://smarthouse.com.au/Home_Office/Industry/M8T2B5B9 | Jan 01 13:50 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean Linux only. | Jan 01 13:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: well i approve... you know how much i despise what WRI does | Jan 01 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Changes are coming | Jan 01 13:50 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Microsoft CEO Dumps More Shares - Smarthouse .::. Size~: 186.13 KB | Jan 01 13:50 |
| schestowitz | You want to be at the front line | Jan 01 13:51 |
| schestowitz | e.g. when people ask for a new system | Jan 01 13:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's an idea that crossed my mind | Jan 01 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Some of them are funny. | Jan 01 13:51 |
| schestowitz | I migrate people and tim does too, they stick with Linux and persuade others in turn | Jan 01 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Like a dog shelter. qu1j0t3 | Jan 01 13:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes, i'd do that kind of thing | Jan 01 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough the management software for that works better under Linux. | Jan 01 13:51 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: WRI? | Jan 01 13:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: wolfram research | Jan 01 13:52 |
| schestowitz | MAthworks | Jan 01 13:52 |
| schestowitz | A bigger player | Jan 01 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Androind ipads are breaking down people road block of Windows interafce. | Jan 01 13:52 |
| schestowitz | yup | Jan 01 13:52 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: Microsoft pulls out the last weapon now | Jan 01 13:52 |
| schestowitz | IV sues Linux | Jan 01 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Or extorts first | Jan 01 13:52 |
| schestowitz | So does Traul Allen | Jan 01 13:52 |
| schestowitz | And Ballmer | Jan 01 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Acacia | Jan 01 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Patents from many fronts for many taxes | Jan 01 13:53 |
| schestowitz | That's their only remaining plan and Apple collaborates with them | Jan 01 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Oracle.. | Jan 01 13:53 |
| schestowitz | They feel the pinch, they modify the law | Jan 01 13:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/68837 | Jan 01 13:54 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jan 01 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The Microsoft Update: Acer will soon ship the famed Microsoft 'Courier' tablet | Network World .::. Size~: 96.94 KB | Jan 01 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Resurrection | Jan 01 13:54 |
| oiaohm | http://sven.killig.de/android/N1/2.2/usb_host/ Have you seen this qu1j0t3? | Jan 01 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Nexus One USB host mode driver .::. Size~: 11.62 KB | Jan 01 13:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69O0OL20101025 | Jan 01 13:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Adobe aims to stay independent: report | Reuters .::. Size~: 71.04 KB | Jan 01 13:54 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: you do photoshop iir | Jan 01 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Now remember phone makers have just decided on a universal connection port. qu1j0t3 So phone docking stations will become more possible. | Jan 01 13:55 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: many "universal" ones exist | Jan 01 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft would also call its stuff "Universal" | Jan 01 13:55 |
| oiaohm | usb mini port as standard. | Jan 01 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Like Palm did | Jan 01 13:55 |
| schestowitz | They can't even agree on USB(TM) yet | Jan 01 13:56 |
| MinceR | crApple calls stuff universal too | Jan 01 13:56 |
| MinceR | at least their fat binaries | Jan 01 13:56 |
| schestowitz | http://printceo.com/2010/11/adobe-not-for-sale/ | Jan 01 13:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Adobe “not for sale” - Printing Industry News and Opinion from Print CEO .::. Size~: 18.59 KB | Jan 01 13:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Universal Studio :-) | Jan 01 13:56 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 01 13:56 |
| oiaohm | But this is a true universal. Even apple is looking to be on board. | Jan 01 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Jobs is heavily vested in this trash | Jan 01 13:56 |
| MinceR | wow, "even crApple", closest follower of m$? :> | Jan 01 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Now the odds of having all phone makers agree on something. | Jan 01 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Without force is impossible. | Jan 01 13:57 |
| oiaohm | EU is to blame. | Jan 01 13:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/a-four-day-dive-into-stuxnets-heart/ | Jan 01 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: A Four-Day Dive Into Stuxnet’s Heart | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 89.2 KB | Jan 01 13:57 |
| oiaohm | They have got sick of the envormental wasteage all the different connecting charges and interfaces have caused. | Jan 01 13:57 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: did you see the Greenward vs Wired thing | Jan 01 13:59 |
| schestowitz | ? Many exchanges there. | Jan 01 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Really MS aquiring adobe would be a true nightmare and a god send at the same time. | Jan 01 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Reason you could be the quality of adobe key products would sink under MS management. | Jan 01 13:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: can kill photoshop and Flash.... AND... PDF | Jan 01 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Would help standards and FS | Jan 01 14:00 |
| MinceR | where could the quality of adobe products sink? | Jan 01 14:00 |
| MinceR | is there such a thing as negative quality? | Jan 01 14:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: You are talking MS here. | Jan 01 14:00 |
| MinceR | and adobe. | Jan 01 14:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: after around 2006 | Jan 01 14:00 |
| schestowitz | THey sacked US coders | Jan 01 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Adobe quality normally stays just on the side of the postive. | Jan 01 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Got cheaper ones | Jan 01 14:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes | Jan 01 14:00 |
| MinceR | i don't think anyone would notice a change in quality. | Jan 01 14:00 |
| schestowitz | They love to also insult the US coders | Jan 01 14:00 |
| schestowitz | "They suck"="they cost us too much" | Jan 01 14:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: but i was already aware of it. GG raised it weeks ago. | Jan 01 14:01 |
| oiaohm | MS on the other hand lot of products go into the negitive quality with consumer hunting features. | Jan 01 14:01 |
| MinceR | a change in GUI, perhaps | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Pearly Gates is the worst in that regard | Jan 01 14:01 |
| MinceR | and in branding | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | He mocks Americans | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | And American schools | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | To help himself | Jan 01 14:01 |
| MinceR | i doubt that crApple cultists would even care about consumer hunting features | Jan 01 14:01 |
| MinceR | after all they love it when they get them from crApple | Jan 01 14:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20101212-OPINION-12120314 | Jan 01 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The United States of Gates | SeacoastOnline.com .::. Size~: 84.1 KB | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | "Understanding how useful propaganda is in weakening resistance to one's efforts, Gates and his cronies, among them The Broad Foundation and the Walton Family Fund, have successfully, with the support of a generally unquestioning and irresponsible mass media, particularly NBC, MSNBC and Tom Friedman of the New York Times, carpet bombed the nation into believing all our public schools are failures. Such claims are beyond | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | absurd! They are lies. If people believed their local public schools were indeed failures, the results from the latest Phi Delta Kappa/Gallup Poll (September 2010) would reflect such feelings." | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Fiedman | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Fiendman | Jan 01 14:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | yep | Jan 01 14:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: FOX is part of this | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Now they do Canada | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | With the film | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | And John Legend | Jan 01 14:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the public is already primed to believe anything public funded is wrong and broken | Jan 01 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Paid and funded and sponsored by Pearly & Plouto | Jan 01 14:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: so there's no way to stop them accepting super-rich telling them what they already want to believe | Jan 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | "Please, Gates, help us" | Jan 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | "Our teachers are SOOOOO incompetent" | Jan 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | They lie, lie, lie | Jan 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Something will stick | Jan 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Fox and Arianna agree | Jan 01 14:03 |
| schestowitz | "Third world America" | Jan 01 14:04 |
| schestowitz | "Only the super-rich can save us now" | Jan 01 14:04 |
| schestowitz | Well, at least Nader's title was synical | Jan 01 14:04 |
| schestowitz | *cynical | Jan 01 14:04 |
| schestowitz | They have already privatised healthcare | Jan 01 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Look where it got them | Jan 01 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Really where do incompetent teachers come from. | Jan 01 14:05 |
| schestowitz | 46000 preventable deaths per year IIRC | Jan 01 14:05 |
| oiaohm | A poor education system. | Jan 01 14:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/aveeksen/status/21199273936818176 https://twitter.com/aveeksen/status/21199560021909504 | Jan 01 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Not teaching people how to think on feet. | Jan 01 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @aveeksen: RT @schestowitz: Here's what looks like a Ubuntu site praising Microsoft 4 spreading proprietary s/w, pretending charity. http://is.gd/jTAkK | Jan 01 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Human Rights First Praises New Microsoft Licensing Policy, Urges U.S. Government to Stand with Tech Companies Combating Abuses | Human Rights First .::. Size~: 33.87 KB | Jan 01 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @aveeksen: @schestowitz i think its been there for ages.They were advertising on some forum.Been discussed on mailing lists earlier | Jan 01 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Gates wants to be poppa to teachers now... big brother | Jan 01 14:06 |
| schestowitz | https://seattleducation2010.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/to-all-of-you-tfaers-don-nielsons-broads-and-gates-backers-and-wannabes/ | Jan 01 14:06 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: To all of you TFAer’s, Don Nielson’s, Broadies and Gates’ backers and Wannabes | Seattle Education 2010 .::. Size~: 322.2 KB | Jan 01 14:06 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: side topic how is that java sip program I pointed you to treating you. | Jan 01 14:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/04/education/04teacher.html | Jan 01 14:06 |
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| schestowitz | "And one more from Gates. Videotaping teachers while they work. 1984 anyone?" | Jan 01 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Poppa Saint Bill | Jan 01 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Thank his generosity | Jan 01 14:07 |
| schestowitz | "I love big brotha" | Jan 01 14:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I am wait\ing for goblin to use that too | Jan 01 14:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: works well on my side, couldn't connect to Gordon last night though | Jan 01 14:08 |
| oiaohm | I am off to bed | Jan 01 14:08 |
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| qu1j0t3 | http://www.infowars.com/a-third-of-9-month-olds-already-obese-or-overweight/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter | Jan 01 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: A Third of 9-Month-Olds Already Obese or Overweight .::. Size~: 47.48 KB | Jan 01 14:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | "only the super-rich can save us now" | Jan 01 14:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's a seductive lie. | Jan 01 14:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | in the US it will work. | Jan 01 14:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | the steak has been tenderised for too long | Jan 01 14:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | now: they fry | Jan 01 14:14 |
| schestowitz | and corn syrup on top | Jan 01 14:19 |
| schestowitz | It sounds innocent for a chemical, also cheaper to make | Jan 01 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Benignooxithermus.... whatever fills up the belly, cheaply... | Jan 01 14:20 |
| schestowitz | IIRC ROnald (McDonald 'puppet') bullied someone who posted a film of happy meal photographed for almost over a year.... in fast motion | Jan 01 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it... | Jan 01 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Oh, here: http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/12/28/aol_spent_over_300_million_sending_out_those_subscriber_discs_in_the_90s | Jan 01 14:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: AOL spent over $300 million sending out those subscriber discs in the 90s - AfterDawn .::. Size~: 67.42 KB | Jan 01 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Oops. Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IGtDPG4UfI | Jan 01 14:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - McDonald's 4 Year Old Cheeseburger Video .::. Size~: 122.84 KB | Jan 01 14:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: did u see Food,Inc? | Jan 01 14:24 |
| schestowitz | The bacteria won't touch it. LOL | Jan 01 14:24 |
| schestowitz | They're smarter than our kids | Jan 01 14:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | worse, their parnets | Jan 01 14:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | parents* | Jan 01 14:25 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: no, just the trailer | Jan 01 14:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | who train the kids what is food, what to eat | Jan 01 14:25 |
| schestowitz | I don't watch many films anymore | Jan 01 14:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that's one film you should watch the whole thing | Jan 01 14:25 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK Food Inc is a MPAA-laden movie | Jan 01 14:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | in what way? | Jan 01 14:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | you needn't worry, in the US it sinks like a stone | Jan 01 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Big production, big extortion..., no? | Jan 01 14:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | big production? no. | Jan 01 14:25 |
| schestowitz | No, I mean, it came across as this thing from the companies you need not support | Jan 01 14:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I don't see how | Jan 01 14:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's a project of Michael Pollan's | Jan 01 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Some documentaries are made 'domestically' | Jan 01 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Maybe I was wrong then | Jan 01 14:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | i think so... | Jan 01 14:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | i recommend it | Jan 01 14:26 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, I'm lazy to get it unless it's nearly and fast | Jan 01 14:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | it only shows part of the picture but manages to cover a number of issues | Jan 01 14:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: sure | Jan 01 14:27 |
| schestowitz | and I can play with something at the same time | Jan 01 14:27 |
| schestowitz | I always edit some text while watching videos | Jan 01 14:27 |
| schestowitz | [Or proofreading] | Jan 01 14:27 |
| schestowitz | I don't do popcorn and stuff | Jan 01 14:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Jan 01 14:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | AmazonWatch sent me the documentary CRUDE | Jan 01 14:29 |
| schestowitz | People mixing their habits with poor taste | Jan 01 14:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | i haven't got around to watching it :/ | Jan 01 14:29 |
| schestowitz | It's like that Seinseld episode where Geroege eats while having sex | Jan 01 14:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | in fact i'm a bit apprehensive | Jan 01 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Amazon? | Jan 01 14:29 |
| schestowitz | AmazonWtch ste? | Jan 01 14:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | http://AmazonWatch.org | Jan 01 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah | Jan 01 14:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | not *that* Amazon | Jan 01 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Never heard of it | Jan 01 14:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | the real Amazon | Jan 01 14:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | no?????????? | Jan 01 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Where you are now | Jan 01 14:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, i'm not very close, but yeah | Jan 01 14:30 |
| schestowitz | With 10 feet antenna and a parrot on the shoulder | Jan 01 14:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | lol | Jan 01 14:30 |
| schestowitz | *10-foot | Jan 01 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Expelling "Rich Uncles from the West" | Jan 01 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Promosing to the Amazonian tribes what Washington promised the Indians | Jan 01 14:31 |
| schestowitz | IKEA.br | Jan 01 14:31 |
| schestowitz | NYT does MSFT PR: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/03/technology/personaltech/03KINECT.html | Jan 01 14:32 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the matching photo | Jan 01 14:32 |
| schestowitz | The AVG(American_family) | Jan 01 14:32 |
| schestowitz | "Why can't *MY* family be like that? I guess I need to buy KIN-act" | Jan 01 14:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/11/at-10-microsoft-coo-visits-nigeria-restates-commitment-to-the-economy/ | Jan 01 14:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: » At 10, Microsoft COO visits Nigeria … restates commitment to the economy - Vanguard (Nigeria) .::. Size~: 36.68 KB | Jan 01 14:35 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jan 01 14:35 |
| schestowitz | "The economy" | Jan 01 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Give us your gems | Jan 01 14:36 |
| schestowitz | "We're only here for "The economy"" | Jan 01 14:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | yeah | Jan 01 14:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | Cheney just added to the economy | Jan 01 14:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | a bribe can get you off bribery charges | Jan 01 14:44 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://www.vancouversun.com/life/Canadians+want+jobs+they+have+relocate/3848469/story.html | Jan 01 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Canadians want jobs they don't have to relocate for .::. Size~: 124.33 KB | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tries to influence Canadian lawmakers | Jan 01 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Also here; http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/cdn-businesses-too-limiting-on-technology-survey/141961 | Jan 01 14:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting application/xhtml+xml; charset=utf-8 type | Jan 01 14:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | blah gotta fix that | Jan 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | NYT propaganda: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/technology/07piracy.html?src=busln | Jan 01 14:51 |
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| qu1j0t3 | interestin comment http://community.nytimes.com/comments/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/01/snow-job/?permid=7#comment7 | Jan 01 14:58 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Snow Job - Readers' Comments - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 59.39 KB | Jan 01 14:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Due to this muting by aphorism, we're supposed to assume that, yeah, the people around us, yeah *they* may have selfish or harmful motives at times (or certain people more so), but, no, no, we mustn't speak that way abut the powerful. | Jan 01 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Oh, command | Jan 01 15:04 |
| schestowitz | *comment | Jan 01 15:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-28/suicides-among-borrowers-in-india-show-how-men-made-a-mess-of-microcredit.html | Jan 01 15:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Suicides in India Revealing How Men Made a Mess of Microcredit - Bloomberg .::. Size~: 78 KB | Jan 01 15:04 |
| schestowitz | There I was thinking for a sec that NYT would let Krugman go off the script | Jan 01 15:05 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: guess who pushes it? | Jan 01 15:05 |
| schestowitz | it... | Jan 01 15:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | right | Jan 01 15:05 |
| schestowitz | (With all the kindness in the world) | Jan 01 15:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | get them participating in the usury system | Jan 01 15:05 |
| schestowitz | http://humanosphere.kplu.org/2010/11/gates-foundation-invests-half-a-billion-dollars-to-fill-in-savings-gap-for-the-poor/ | Jan 01 15:06 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Gates Foundation invests half a billion dollars to fill in savings gap for the poor | Humanosphere .::. Size~: 47.21 KB | Jan 01 15:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | billionaires have EVERY RIGHT to skim from the world's poorest | Jan 01 15:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: meanwhile, credit card companies are offering 30% interest to americans | Jan 01 15:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | (and canadians iirc) | Jan 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/61387205 | Jan 01 15:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | "More than 70 people committed suicide in the state from March 1 to Nov. 19 to escape payments or end the agonies their debt had triggered | Jan 01 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @dthacker@bluestrain.net (dthacker)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jan-11 14:56:07 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I don't see Canonical's or Ubuntu's name on that site. only a similar logo. | Jan 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/61387191 | Jan 01 15:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @dthacker@bluestrain.net (dthacker)'s status on Saturday, 01-Jan-11 14:55:37 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I don't see Canonical | Jan 01 15:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Andhra Pradesh, where three-quarters of the 76 million people live in rural areas, suffered a total of 14,364 suicide cases in the first nine months of 2010 | Jan 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | exactly. | Jan 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: seen Bernie Sanders speaking about it? | Jan 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Last month that was.. | Jan 01 15:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | 'Microcredit has become “Walmartized” by unrestrained selling of cheap products to the poor, says Malcolm Harper | Jan 01 15:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | “Selling debt is like selling drugs,” says Harper, 75, the author of more than 20 books on microfinance and other topics. “Selling debt to illiterate women in Andhra Pradesh, you’ve got to be a lot more responsible.” | Jan 01 15:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that's a very good article | Jan 01 15:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: on microcredit | Jan 01 15:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: could be a permanent ref on TR | Jan 01 15:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: good cite if ppl ask "what's going wrong with it" | Jan 01 15:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Subprime Parallel" | Jan 01 15:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Some of the money paid for the funeral of her eldest son. When she fell behind on payments, she says loan officers threatened to humiliate her in front of neighbors and pressed her to sell her small grandchildren into prostitution. | Jan 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I am adding it later | Jan 01 15:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | wow. | Jan 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | I wrote several | Jan 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Search TR on microfinance for example | Jan 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Some former Microsoft staff do that too | Jan 01 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Crooks will be crooks, still | Jan 01 15:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | Akula, a former McKinsey & Co. consultant, studied McDonald’s Corp. and Burger King Holdings Inc. in 2005 to learn about their speedy training of unskilled workers. He devised a two-month course to train as many as 1,000 new loan officers a month. | Jan 01 15:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | “I now had one goal for SKS; to grow, grow, grow as fast as we could,” he writes. “We could practice microfinance in a way that would serve more poor people than anyone had ever thought possible.” | Jan 01 15:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | ^^ I see what he did thar | Jan 01 15:12 |
| schestowitz | MicroSOFT? | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | No. | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | MicroLOANS | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Micro | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Small | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry about it | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Novell's buyer... | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Paul Singer... | Jan 01 15:13 |
| MinceR | Dr. Akula | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Same type of criminal | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Legalised type though | Jan 01 15:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Matata? | Jan 01 15:14 |
| MinceR | nope | Jan 01 15:14 |
| MinceR | Vlad | Jan 01 15:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20101207/NEIGHBORHOODS12/12070344 | Jan 01 15:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Clemens earns Microsoft Certification | battlecreekenquirer.com | The Enquirer .::. Size~: 56.28 KB | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Awww... | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Everyone is so proud | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Not he can serve SteveB | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Why is this news? | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20101207/NEIGHBORHOODS12/12070344 | Jan 01 15:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Clemens earns Microsoft Certification | battlecreekenquirer.com | The Enquirer .::. Size~: 56.28 KB | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Love? It's a company, not a person. | Jan 01 15:15 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | This os: | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=118996 | Jan 01 15:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Club Microsoft, why no free love from MS? - gamrConnect .::. Size~: 57.79 KB | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | "Wahhhhh... I wanna be LOVED!!" | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | "Take me, Microsoft" | Jan 01 15:16 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3 has explained people's attachment to brands like Facebook recently | Jan 01 15:19 |
| schestowitz | IMHO, people who defend facebook are like people who defend their family cause their "friends" currency is there | Jan 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | When sites where you have friends are shut down or abandoned, then it's just some abandoned DB where the 'friends' are no longer of relevance | Jan 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | Same for Digg, LinkedIn, et. | Jan 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | 8etc | Jan 01 15:20 |
| schestowitz | And Facebook too will fall some time... and then people will rush to the next DB and spend all day 'inviting'/requesting and saying "OK" and stuff... | Jan 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | More clicks, more ad impressions for the DB master... silly business model | Jan 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Same for Microsoft | Jan 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | People who defend Microsoft defend their skillsset | Jan 01 15:21 |
| schestowitz | No Windows, then they are back to being n00bs | Jan 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | From hero to zero | Jan 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | So they defend what they are using for means of comfort through peerage | Jan 01 15:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372851,00.asp | Jan 01 15:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Consumers Fear Counterfeit Software, Microsoft Report Says | News & Opinion | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 73.85 KB | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | JayZ to | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.adrants.com/2010/12/diddy-microsoft-team-for-holiday.php | Jan 01 15:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Diddy, Microsoft Team For Holiday Charity Campaign - Adrants .::. Size~: 28.64 KB | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Charity | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Overused term | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Companies have shareholders | Jan 01 15:25 |
| schestowitz | They can't do charity, they can do PR | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | .. | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | "Insisting on recognition for philanthropy (cf. Mark Zuckerberg) is the lowest form of philanthropy. It is ego-driven." | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/#!/DianeRavitch/status/20896658560647169 | Jan 01 15:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @DianeRavitch: Insisting on recognition for philanthropy (cf. Mark Zuckerberg) is the lowest form of philanthropy. It is ego-driven. | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | SHe's a famous educator/wauthor | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/#!/DianeRavitch/status/20896859195183105 ""Insisting on controlling the use of one's gift of money is another low form of philanthropy. Today's givers want to control others' lives."" | Jan 01 15:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @DianeRavitch: Insisting on controlling the use of one's gift of money is another low form of philanthropy. Today's givers want to control others' lives. | Jan 01 15:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.inquisitr.com/90723/ex-sony-man-microsoftsony-will-combine-to-build-one-console-within-10-years/ | Jan 01 15:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Ex-Sony man: Microsoft/Sony will combine to build one console within 10 years .::. Size~: 25.2 KB | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | [21:56] --> ChrisTX has joined this channel (~user@rev-crew.info). | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft troll | Jan 01 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Facebook.... takes people out of closets... http://www.examiner.com/online-media-in-toronto/facebook-accidentally-outing-gay-users-information-to-third-parties | Jan 01 15:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Facebook accidentally outing gay users’ information to third parties - Toronto Online Media | Examiner.com .::. Size~: 102.53 KB | Jan 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/8193860/Facebook-rejected-Microsoft-offer.html | Jan 01 15:35 |
| schestowitz | They didn't | Jan 01 15:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Facebook rejected Microsoft offer - Telegraph .::. Size~: 62.14 KB | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Just signed a different deal | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | They get to pretend to be another company, like Yahoo1 | Jan 01 15:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=122558 | Jan 01 15:42 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Bulgaria: George Randelov, Microsoft Bulgaria Country Manager: Business Climate, IT Talent Make Bulgaria Important on Microsoft's Map - Novinite.com - Sofia News Agency .::. Size~: 72.88 KB | Jan 01 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/26/firefox_0day_report/ | Jan 01 15:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Hackers plant Firefox 0day on Nobel Peace Prize website • The Register .::. Size~: 23.44 KB | Jan 01 15:49 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/12/microsoft-bpos-configuration-cock-up-causes-data-disclosure.ars | Jan 01 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Microsoft BPOS configuration screw up causes data disclosure .::. Size~: 30 KB | Jan 01 16:51 |
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| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: /. on hungary. http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/01/191249 | Jan 01 21:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Hungarian Officials Can Now Censor the Media - Slashdot .::. Size~: 93.14 KB | Jan 01 21:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: looks familiar. protecting "consensus", mainstream narrative. | Jan 01 21:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: outlawing contrary views | Jan 01 21:34 |
| schestowitz | To keep people under control | Jan 01 21:35 |
| MinceR | "Russia, USA, UK, Italy, Hungary, China, and North Korea are the ones off the top of my head sliding that way" | Jan 01 21:35 |
| schestowitz | That's a common justification | Jan 01 21:35 |
| schestowitz | People angry=bad | Jan 01 21:35 |
| MinceR | some bloody nice company viktor is putting us in | Jan 01 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Rather than => govt. is bad | Jan 01 21:35 |
| MinceR | though the poster forgot France | Jan 01 21:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | forgot Australia, Iran | Jan 01 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Sarko hates bulimia too | Jan 01 21:36 |
| MinceR | that too | Jan 01 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Like it's advocacy of suicide | Jan 01 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Slippery slope | Jan 01 21:37 |
| schestowitz | When this gets censored, a lot of stuff will too... | Jan 01 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Barbie sites | Jan 01 21:37 |
| schestowitz | For advocating being thin | Jan 01 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Used to be pro-terrorism/violence sites | Jan 01 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Or illegal pr0n | Jan 01 21:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | political opponents | Jan 01 21:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | as is common in the US | Jan 01 21:38 |
| MinceR | also, advocacy of freedom and/or democracy | Jan 01 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Democrats? :-) | Jan 01 21:48 |
| MinceR | if you mean the party, it's a misnomer | Jan 01 21:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | pick a card, any card... | Jan 01 22:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | or pull my finger... | Jan 01 22:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | the prototypical election simulator... | Jan 01 22:09 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jan 01 23:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | hi | Jan 01 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: hi | Jan 01 23:38 |
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