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| schestowitz | > Dear Doctor Roy, | Jan 03 06:02 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 06:02 |
| schestowitz | > As I told you before: "a government of the corporations for the corporations". | Jan 03 06:02 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Doctor Roy, | Jan 03 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > I hope the Vietnamese people still can continue with their proposed | Jan 03 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > migration & avoid like in US: | Jan 03 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > a "Government of the Corporations for the Corporations". | Jan 03 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > Latin America this is a wake up call! | Jan 03 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 03 06:03 |
| schestowitz | > Happy New Year! Here we go again! | Jan 03 06:03 |
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| scientes | what sort of help in moving can you give? | Jan 03 06:33 |
| scientes | I thinking of what city i should go to, seattle seem like a start, just as a tester | Jan 03 06:33 |
| scientes | even though its not really a good idea collapse-wise | Jan 03 06:34 |
| scientes | and go to comm college or something | Jan 03 06:34 |
| scientes | i met some people on the amtrak that were awesome and then lost the business card | Jan 03 06:34 |
| scientes | but i know where one of them works | Jan 03 06:34 |
| scientes | i am enrolled here in university | Jan 03 06:34 |
| scientes | but there is so much bad energy in this place | Jan 03 06:34 |
| scientes | starting tuesday | Jan 03 06:35 |
| scientes | also, i am totally unsure about fin aid | Jan 03 06:35 |
| scientes | schestowitz: | Jan 03 06:35 |
| scientes | scientes: | Jan 03 06:35 |
| schestowitz | Hey! | Jan 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | [06:33] <scientes> I thinking of what city i should go to, seattle seem like a start, just as a tester | Jan 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | I thought you were already in WA | Jan 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | Seattle is not doing too well | Jan 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | They have just cut $4bn in programmes | Jan 03 06:36 |
| schestowitz | Techrighs will cover it this week | Jan 03 06:36 |
| scientes | california is worse | Jan 03 06:37 |
| scientes | actually economy-wise where i am is pretty decent | Jan 03 06:37 |
| scientes | for US standards | Jan 03 06:38 |
| scientes | otherwise its like iceland or new zealand or something | Jan 03 06:38 |
| scientes | but maybe a first step of a few months in seattle? | Jan 03 06:38 |
| scientes | im dealing with personal problems so i need some experience, and maybe a diversion or somehting | Jan 03 06:38 |
| scientes | ive lived in the same city my entire life | Jan 03 06:38 |
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| schestowitz | interview with Jono in a new post http://techrights.org/2011/01/03/techrights-interview-2010/ , see the published one for differences | Jan 03 07:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Raw Interview With Linux Format Magazine | Techrights .::. Size~: 87.38 KB | Jan 03 07:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/61461660 | Jan 03 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Could not fetch identi.ca page | Jan 03 10:05 |
| schestowitz | "!GNU !Linux is winning but it's known as "Red Hat" on servers, "IBM" or "mainframe" in bigger servers, "Android" in phones, etc" | Jan 03 10:06 |
| MinceR | android is not GNU/Linux | Jan 03 10:08 |
| schestowitz | Linux+stuff | Jan 03 10:10 |
| schestowitz | I knew when I wrote this that it might come up | Jan 03 10:10 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/61462672 | Jan 03 10:34 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Could not fetch identi.ca page | Jan 03 10:34 |
| *schestowitz still uses a PDA daily. It has a full-size foldable keyboard and touchscreen. | Jan 03 10:35 | |
| MinceR | what sort of keyboard? | Jan 03 10:36 |
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| schestowitz | Palm(R) | Jan 03 10:57 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Sorry but you sometimes re-dents completely contradictory messages. Sitting on the fence or schizophrenia? !Linux" https://identi.ca/notice/61463439 | Jan 03 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Could not fetch identi.ca page | Jan 03 10:57 |
| schestowitz | that doesn't have context. I don't know what dents it refers to. | Jan 03 10:57 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/61463763 | Jan 03 11:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Could not fetch identi.ca page | Jan 03 11:02 |
| schestowitz | "about Photoshop. Your last two dents." > @rrh yes, that latter is the message someone sent me, I RTed it | Jan 03 11:02 |
| schestowitz | LOL https://twitter.com/fribeiro1/status/21880985083711488 | Jan 03 11:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @fribeiro1: @jwildeboer @schestowitz It should actually read "Down for Only 5 Hours Despite Microsoft". | Jan 03 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft spinner? | Jan 03 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Not sure... | Jan 03 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it would be a good headline... | Jan 03 11:03 |
| oiaohm | I am starting to wonder if windows is the next Enigma machine. Enigma machines were pushed on a lot of poor countries even that in world war II how to crack them was developed. | Jan 03 11:04 |
| schestowitz | China has Windows source code | Jan 03 11:28 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/einfeldt/status/21942722289999872 | Jan 03 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @einfeldt: RT @glynmoody: Linux Format Magazine interview with @schestowitz - http://bit.ly/hnyYU0 background info to his site | Jan 03 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Raw Interview With Linux Format Magazine | Techrights .::. Size~: 87.76 KB | Jan 03 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | I had an interesting chat.... Could paste some of it later, but that would flood the channel | Jan 03 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Hey, qu1j0t3 | Jan 03 21:22 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: identica ceased working with your program... | Jan 03 21:45 |
| schestowitz | E.g. https://identi.ca/notice/61487690 | Jan 03 21:45 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Could not fetch identi.ca page | Jan 03 21:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | http://identi.ca/notice/61487690 | Jan 03 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @whirli's status on Monday, 03-Jan-11 21:27:45 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Agreed. One question though: whats left then? | Jan 03 21:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | still works. note the https. | Jan 03 21:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: have to get curl to not verify server certs for https | Jan 03 21:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i already noticed this | Jan 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | oh | Jan 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | They changed something somewhere | Jan 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I get the URLs as secure now... | Jan 03 21:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: maybe their cert expired. | Jan 03 21:48 |
| schestowitz | New year.... | Jan 03 21:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yeah so it will need fixing in the bot. unfortunately i can't do that now, i didn't take a copy of the src with me (knew that would bite me) | Jan 03 21:49 |
| schestowitz | you should tell @evan | Jan 03 21:49 |
| schestowitz | or maybe I should...? | Jan 03 21:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | well no, that would only be the case if they worked before and now don;t. | Jan 03 21:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's possible they never worked, if identica never had a cert that curl can verify in its default CA bundle | Jan 03 21:49 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jan 03 21:49 |
| schestowitz | I'll paste some things here you might find of interest in a moment | Jan 03 21:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | k | Jan 03 21:50 |
| schestowitz | it started banal | Jan 03 21:52 |
| schestowitz | But then I got a pointer re tax evaders among the rich | Jan 03 21:52 |
| schestowitz | And a person explaining it... | Jan 03 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I'll paste.. | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:12] <schestowitz> ping | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:13] <MikeC> hey roy | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:14] <schestowitz> :-) | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:14] <MikeC> whats happenin | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:14] <MikeC> i might be joinin the midland again | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:14] <schestowitz> Getting prepared....The university is trying to tempt me.. | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:14] <MikeC> thinking about it at the mo | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:14] <schestowitz> cool | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:14] <schestowitz> Midland | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:14] <schestowitz> Amanda mailed me. | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <MikeC> how are they tempting you | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <MikeC> what did amanda say | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <schestowitz> Some famous professor might want to assign me to a project | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <schestowitz> Amanda, wel.. | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <schestowitz> She wanted to know what's up | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <schestowitz> I reckon it's getting empty there | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:15] <schestowitz> SteveO is scaring all the ladies ;-) | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:16] <MikeC> a famous professor that sounds good, it would be good to have you back over here, we could make a grand reunion to the midland, come back in a blaze of glory | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:16] <schestowitz> Are the protests down south over? | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:16] <MikeC> yes | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:16] <schestowitz> Hehe. They took a break.. | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:17] <schestowitz> Did you see me in a magazine cover? | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:17] <schestowitz> December issue... | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:18] <MikeC> which magazine again | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:18] <MikeC> i think i saw it on web | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:18] <MikeC> remind me pls | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:18] <schestowitz> Today I posted the text.. raw text http://techrights.org/2011/01/03/techrights-interview-2010/ | Jan 03 21:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Raw Interview With Linux Format Magazine | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.16 KB | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:18] <schestowitz> I hope you can read it quickly | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <schestowitz> 5 minutes... will help you understand what I've been up to | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:21] <MikeC> It's not my field but i get the jist of it, you've been very busy i see, and you are quite well known, well done for fighting the good fight | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:21] <MikeC> i just read an article on billionaires donating to 'charity foundations' | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:21] <MikeC> tax avoidance | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:21] <MikeC> inheritence tax etc | Jan 03 21:53 |
| schestowitz | [19:21] <MikeC> i am so cynical | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz> [19:21] <MikeC> i just read an article on billionaires donating to 'charity foundations' | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz> Yes | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz> Tax avoidance | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz> Fame | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz> Power in policies | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz> they don't donate per say | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz> They tell people what to do | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz> And then put the money | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz> E.g. to control public school | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:24] <schestowitz> Privatising them and the curriculum | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:25] <schestowitz> I'll be doing posts about this next week | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:25] <MikeC> http://timworstall.com/2010/08/05/this-isnt-that-difficult-you-know/#more-16725 | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:28] <schestowitz> yeah | Jan 03 21:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: This isn’t that difficult you know? .::. Size~: 49.27 KB | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:29] <MikeC> thats great | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:29] <MikeC> will you be rejoing the gym do you think | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <schestowitz> depends on many factors | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <schestowitz> But I've been there since 2001 | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <schestowitz> 2nd year in uni... | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:30] <schestowitz> 2.5ish | Jan 03 21:54 |
| schestowitz | [19:31] <MikeC> you could always try the pure gym for one month at only £15, its huge and many facilities then see what you think about the midland | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:31] <schestowitz> For good workout the Midland is not best | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:31] <MikeC> the midland is a bit dear really for what it is but i liked it there its a tough one | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:31] <schestowitz> I could max all the machines.. | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:31] <MikeC> same here | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:31] <schestowitz> For many years | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:31] <schestowitz> So I could not progress much | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] <MikeC> hey why dont you come to pure gym for one month its very flexible then see what you think | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] <schestowitz> Usually you need to take it up a level | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] <MikeC> tonnes of better machines | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] <MikeC> its great | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:32] <MikeC> i now use a rope climbing machine with gears, its great for allround upper body strength and endurance | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <schestowitz> Sounds kind of hardcore and old-style | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <MikeC> i also use the cable crossovers and the sit in ab crunch machine which goes to 100kg! | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <schestowitz> Heh. | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <schestowitz> I used to hate doing it with dumbbells | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <schestowitz> The rubber would wear off | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:33] <schestowitz> I'd end up with black marks on hands and nape/neck | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <MikeC> its just on deansgate, i t has about 30 running machines loads of bikes and rowing machines its huge and only 15 a month with no tie in you can cancel when you like | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <schestowitz> Hard to wash off | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <schestowitz> last time I surveyed gyms was 2001 | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <schestowitz> I saw many of them, hardly checked since | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <schestowitz> I remember getting the addresses off the Net at the time | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:34] <schestowitz> Some of these gyms no longer exist | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:35] <MikeC> well i can take you down for the day and you can see what you think of it, i think you might like it | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:35] <MikeC> but then the midland is kind of friendly and cosy, but its twice the price | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:35] <schestowitz> I don't worry about the price much, but... | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:36] <schestowitz> The tenseness of competition is no longer there | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:36] <schestowitz> Or the passage from teenage to manhood trying to reach max performance | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:37] <MikeC> mr fitness is now history, no comp this year apparently | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> yeah, I figured... | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:37] <MikeC> they should give me the shield as a momento, we could share it one year at a time | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> Hehe | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:37] <schestowitz> Well, maybe Sid can win it | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:38] <MikeC> sid has gone | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:41] <MikeC> and 2011 is going to be bad for the economy when our public sector cuts start to bite, i cant believe this situation has been allowed to happen without someone in powwer asking why, maybe it is happening by design on some level i dont know | Jan 03 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:42] <MikeC> inflation is starting to rise rapidly | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:42] <MikeC> now almost 5% | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:42] <schestowitz> ....... | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:43] <schestowitz> bit of both... | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:43] <schestowitz> [19:41] <MikeC> and 2011 is going to be bad for the economy when our public sector cuts start to bite, | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:43] <schestowitz> 2011? | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:43] <schestowitz> Oh | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:43] <schestowitz> nm | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:43] <schestowitz> I read that as 2010 | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:44] <MikeC> inflation seems inevitable after the large sums of money being printed willy nilly, however it could help reduce the burden of the debt | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:44] <schestowitz> I know VAT is upped to 20% | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:44] <MikeC> if inflation exceeds the interest rate of the loan | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:44] <schestowitz> I have no loans thankfully... never had | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:44] <MikeC> the government loan, from whoever they loaned the money from, if they did loan it and not just print it, or digitise it, very confusing, smoke and mirrors | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:45] <schestowitz> I see... | Jan 03 22:01 |
| schestowitz | [19:45] <schestowitz> Hina. | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:45] <schestowitz> CHina. | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:45] <schestowitz> SteveO is Mr Finance 2011 | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:45] <schestowitz> it's not just printing though | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:45] <schestowitz> They just write it down | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:45] <schestowitz> They make up deb | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:45] <schestowitz> They make up debt | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:45] <MikeC> yes digitise it | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:46] <schestowitz> Then produce currency or make a loan to get it rolling | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:46] <MikeC> 0's on a computer | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:46] <schestowitz> That's what money is and how it's created | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:46] <MikeC> which devalues the existing currency in circulation and causes inflation, vis a vis, weimar germany | Jan 03 22:09 |
| schestowitz | [19:46] <schestowitz> "Money doesn't grow on trees" sez mommy, "it comes from Canary Wharf" | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:47] <MikeC> hehe | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:47] <schestowitz> I was there in July BTW | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:47] <schestowitz> Posted some photos... | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:47] <schestowitz> It's a ghost town at night | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:47] <MikeC> money is the stimulus for human activity/production | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:47] <schestowitz> Hunger is... | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:47] <schestowitz> Or peer pressure | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:47] <schestowitz> "Tommy has a house that's big..." | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:48] <schestowitz> "Harry gets all the girls" | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:48] <MikeC> the attainment of money is the vehicle through which hunger is satisfied | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:48] <schestowitz> The media -- mostly theatre+tv these days -- plays for the firms that need this circulation | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:48] <MikeC> yes i have a theory on the medias role to | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:48] <schestowitz> The last thing they want is people who barely travel and second handers | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:49] <schestowitz> A lot of people would be happy just reading a book somewhere | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:49] <schestowitz> But that requires psychological adjustment/preconditioning | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:49] <MikeC> i suspect that society is becoming more matriarchal, more power to women, more spending power to create more consumer demand | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:49] <schestowitz> Language is used a lot | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:49] <schestowitz> Like you said, "chav" appears on TV as a scouser or cockney | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <schestowitz> And you don't want to be "THAT" | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <schestowitz> They say unemployed | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <MikeC> women also tend to control a lot of household spending, the men earn most of it granted, but it always finds its way to the kitchen table and the lady has a large sday in how its spent | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <schestowitz> Rather than unslaved | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <schestowitz> Where work is to most people wage slavery | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <schestowitz> "Labour liberates" | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <schestowitz> Work in marketing | Jan 03 22:10 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <schestowitz> Law... | Jan 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <schestowitz> Banks.. | Jan 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [19:50] <schestowitz> Mediation.. | Jan 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [19:51] <schestowitz> Farmers are useless.. mock them | Jan 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [19:51] <MikeC> you'd think with the mechanisation of society we'd be working fewer hours per week, but like building more roads it just creates more demand | Jan 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [19:51] <schestowitz> COnstruction workers... don't talk to them.... bad for your status <--- btw, saracasm here | Jan 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz> not fewer hours of labour | Jan 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <MikeC> yes as humans we crave two things which dictate most of our behaviour, the need for love and the need for power | Jan 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz> it gives introspecation time | Jan 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz> Interaction, free thinking | Jan 03 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz> Free thinking leads to protests against unjust things | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <schestowitz> Oh, I have a video for you... | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:52] <MikeC> if we are told we can attain love (or admiration) by having a bigger house that is what we will all try to achieve | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <schestowitz> But nevermind | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <schestowitz> it would take me a while to find it now | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <schestowitz> [19:52] <MikeC> yes as humans we crave two things which dictate most of our behaviour, the need for love and the need for power | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <schestowitz> Sme thing | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <MikeC> and of course this plays into the hands of the bankers as we spend more, get into more debt, consume more and they have more power | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <schestowitz> Power->Love | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <schestowitz> Where love can be girl | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <schestowitz> Or | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <schestowitz> Can be admiration from peers | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:53] <schestowitz> Power and money being interchangeable | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <MikeC> no love as in admiration or respect from ones peers, affirmation, it can also be love from a chick to | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <schestowitz> One of the reason the super-rich pretend to give away, to swap for more power and love | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <MikeC> bertrand russell alluded to this | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <schestowitz> BTW | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <MikeC> yes | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <schestowitz> Bono's charity is a scam | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <schestowitz> But he not shies away from the media | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <schestowitz> ONE he calls it IIRC | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <schestowitz> I wrote a while ago how he got exposed | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:54] <schestowitz> Only about 10% of less IIRC actually goes somewhere as promised | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:55] <MikeC> you do what you do because you want to be loved and respected for doing the right thing, a drug dealer amongst his peers is respected/feared he has earned power | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:55] <schestowitz> MAfia calls it "respect" | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:55] <schestowitz> In the firm | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:55] <schestowitz> Alpha male driver | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:55] <schestowitz> /firm/firms/ | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:55] <MikeC> the media sends out the wrong messages about what aspects of our lives are worthy of admiration, celebrity culture and materialism are examples of this | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <schestowitz> Not really | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <schestowitz> Not if you consider its role | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <schestowitz> me being tongue in cheek here... | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <schestowitz> The media's purpose is not to help the viewer | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <schestowitz> CNN/NBC/Fox is all corporations owned | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <schestowitz> Appealing to 'left' and 'right'... | Jan 03 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <MikeC> you only have to look at advertising | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:56] <schestowitz> But never question class divisions | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <schestowitz> They have commercial breaks | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <schestowitz> They cannot without hypocrisy preach against consumption | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <schestowitz> Or they would fall of the air in due time | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <MikeC> cars for instance are advertised alongside sexy chicks, you can win love/powewr/respect by drivingthis car, you WILL be more attractive and desirable | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <schestowitz> [19:56] <MikeC> you only have to look at advertising | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <schestowitz> Do you know the market value? | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:57] <schestowitz> Over $1 TRILLION per year in the US | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:58] <schestowitz> The US could drop this wasteful activity and repay debt after production for a decade... although it's more complicated than this | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:58] <schestowitz> [19:57] <MikeC> cars for instance are advertised alongside sexy chicks, you can win love/powewr/respect by drivingthis car, you WILL be more attractive and desirable | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:58] <schestowitz> Phones too | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:58] <schestowitz> And beverages | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:59] <schestowitz> People judge what they use by how they PERCEIVE others as viewing it | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:59] <schestowitz> So... | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:59] <schestowitz> If hypePhone is perceived as the best phone (no matter the truth), its owner will look around semi-smiling like Mr. Bean in his series... | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [19:59] <MikeC> the cult of celebrity and materialism is a socially transmitted personality disorder:) | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:00] <MikeC> and it has infected large swathes of the population | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:00] <schestowitz> That's why they pay celebs to appear with phones | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:00] <schestowitz> Or Nike caps... | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:00] <MikeC> class prejeudice is part of this | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:00] <schestowitz> Or to merely pretend to stand in line to get one | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:00] <schestowitz> Celebs are used to evoke the envy psyche | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:00] <schestowitz> You are seeing them as perfect | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <schestowitz> Happy, beautiful, making people cry... | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <schestowitz> So you have envy invoked and the way to achieve this "Dream"/AmericanDream" is to imitate them | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <schestowitz> Then... | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <schestowitz> The PR firms use these people as vehicle | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:01] <schestowitz> To flog their wares | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:02] <MikeC> i also avoid films for this reason, they can be loaded with lots of social engineering, sometimes not intentional but it only serves to reinforce the negative traits of the subconscious | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:02] <schestowitz> YES | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:02] <schestowitz> FIlms are more carefully crafted | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:02] <MikeC> we MUST consume more to serve the pyramid | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:02] <schestowitz> I explain this to people who watch only firlm | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <schestowitz> They calculate each scene and every aspect of it | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <schestowitz> The expensive productions also do emotion testing with dummy crowds | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <MikeC> we MUST consume more to serve the pyramid scheme, at the top are the bankers, at the bottom is the ever increasing population, growing and consuming | Jan 03 22:18 |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <MikeC> to serve the debt it has to grow | Jan 03 22:19 |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <schestowitz> To see how people's brains react to the lighting, facial expression, etc,. | Jan 03 22:19 |
| schestowitz | [20:03] <schestowitz> The good directors, makeup folks, etc. are hired with the knowledge already in mind.. training | Jan 03 22:19 |
| schestowitz | [20:04] <schestowitz> Which is why they do so spectacularly well changing people over the course of 1.5 hours | Jan 03 22:19 |
| schestowitz | [20:04] <schestowitz> No breaks | Jan 03 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | [20:04] <MikeC> two people can pay of the debt better than one, politicians talk of 'growth' as a barometer of success, the economy is forecast to expand by blah de blah de blah, why is growth successfull? Because it delivers more ants into the debt creating/paying machine | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:04] <schestowitz> Name firms that advocate for couples not to have kids | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:05] <schestowitz> Name firms that advocate by positive example a person living in simplicity like Eric Blair did | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:05] <schestowitz> The thing is | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:05] <schestowitz> They show these | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:05] <schestowitz> but the question is, what will the people's faces say? Happy, sad? | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:05] <MikeC> America saves the world is the common theme, thereby justifying the american 'way' | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:05] <schestowitz> People's brains are build on expectation models | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> And people's assumptions are shaped by popular culture | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> It resonates | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <MikeC> i particularly despise soccer fans at the moment | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <schestowitz> Well, I don't ascend into the nationality games they play yet... | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:06] <MikeC> i have to listen to them droning on each day in work | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <schestowitz> Hehe | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <schestowitz> I know the feeling.... it's everywhere | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <schestowitz> Foorball is a universal language | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <schestowitz> Like pop music | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <MikeC> football is univeral bollocks | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <schestowitz> Politics less so... | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <schestowitz> Football is celeb | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <schestowitz> No different | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <MikeC> true | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <schestowitz> But these ones kick rubber | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:08] <MikeC> true | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:08] <schestowitz> Football is about clans (cities) and people | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:08] <schestowitz> It's not so much about the games | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:08] <schestowitz> The teams are no longer composed of people from their home town, either | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:08] <schestowitz> If fewer people care, the collapse in popularity has inertia | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:08] <MikeC> and ill at ease young man trying to build an identity for themseves as 'a proper bloke', | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:09] <MikeC> and be liked | Jan 03 22:22 |
| schestowitz | [20:09] <schestowitz> It's the debate about it that keeps it perceptually relevant | Jan 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:09] <MikeC> yes | Jan 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:09] <schestowitz> The foorball celeb | Jan 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:09] <schestowitz> "Proper bloke" | Jan 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:09] <schestowitz> I question young people about it | Jan 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:10] <schestowitz> Tease-type question | Jan 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:10] <schestowitz> I ask them about singers that are no longer on TV... | Jan 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:10] <schestowitz> And what they can express as opinion | Jan 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:10] <schestowitz> How they make a living after 1 year of fame | Jan 03 22:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:10] <schestowitz> The kids avoid the questions shyly | Jan 03 22:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: well, yes. :) | Jan 03 22:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that recapitulates some familiar themes... | Jan 03 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I'm glad you agree | Jan 03 22:25 |
| schestowitz | This is a chat with a good mate of mine | Jan 03 22:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | you know i do, we've discussed most of this | Jan 03 22:26 |
| schestowitz | We see eye to eye on these issues | Jan 03 22:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | MikeC has realised some of the things that have admittedly become near-obsessions for me | Jan 03 22:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: being here has given me a chance to observe ordinary, tv-watching people | Jan 03 22:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's a different world.... :-( | Jan 03 22:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: tv is almost the entire problem, as far as I can tell. as I long figured. | Jan 03 22:27 |
| MinceR | here the ordinary, tv-watching people have voted a dictator into power | Jan 03 22:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: as they always do. they have no resistance, they are guided into it 24 hours a day. | Jan 03 22:28 |
| MinceR | tv is not the problem, lack of functioning brains is. | Jan 03 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: there's a connection. | Jan 03 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: TV *precludes* thinking. | Jan 03 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: they all have the same brains as you and I. | Jan 03 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: but they are poisoned and disabled with a drug | Jan 03 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: and bullshit | Jan 03 22:28 |
| schestowitz | [22:28] <MinceR> tv is not the problem, lack of functioning brains is. | Jan 03 22:28 |
| schestowitz | One cause the others | Jan 03 22:28 |
| schestowitz | One cause the other | Jan 03 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jan 03 22:28 |
| MinceR | i watch tv (at least twice a week) and yet my brain still works | Jan 03 22:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | their brains are the same size, weight, consistency, substance as yours or mine. | Jan 03 22:29 |
| schestowitz | *causes even | Jan 03 22:29 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: just filled with junk | Jan 03 22:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: i am talking about people whose lives are TV | Jan 03 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Names of 'famous' people | Jan 03 22:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: i.e. most people. | Jan 03 22:29 |
| schestowitz | People whom you don't really know or even meet, even online | Jan 03 22:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: it's their whole world. | Jan 03 22:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: correct. | Jan 03 22:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: you won't meet them in a library or bookshop either. | Jan 03 22:29 |
| schestowitz | People's capacity for thinking is low | Jan 03 22:29 |
| schestowitz | They must focus | Jan 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Memories is one thing | Jan 03 22:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | why bother? TV tells them they don'thave to. | Jan 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Pictorial memoty | Jan 03 22:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | it supplies ALL the answers. | Jan 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Numbers... | Jan 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Thinking methods are a skill, essential one | Jan 03 22:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | this used to be a kind of 'truism'. but now i know it's true. | Jan 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It allows people to access and organise knowledge | Jan 03 22:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | my parents were very wary of tv. and they were 100% right. | Jan 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Processing books near them, communicate with peers, look stuff up | Jan 03 22:30 |
| schestowitz | That's what schools are supposed to provide as tools | Jan 03 22:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | even intelligent, geeky people i know watch the shows that are designed to indoctrinate them. | Jan 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Not help people memrise anthems and text | Jan 03 22:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | they think it's innocent. | Jan 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Unless they teach memorisation tricks, which do exist | Jan 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Not ussable | Jan 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | In digital age they need to give people calcs | Jan 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | And Net connection in exm | Jan 03 22:31 |
| MinceR | people don't necessarily believe everything they're exposed to | Jan 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Exam | Jan 03 22:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: heh | Jan 03 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Checking critical thinking skills and research | Jan 03 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: we're clearly not talking abotu the same group. | Jan 03 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: you yourselfsaid that they don't think. | Jan 03 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: they're not sceptical. try to raise a non-consensus idea among ordinary people. | Jan 03 22:32 |
| MinceR | qu1j0t3: i think you're blaming tv for something it is not the cause | Jan 03 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: for example, that US should stop torture, or making war. | Jan 03 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: TV 's FUNCTION is to bring this about. so yes, I am blaming it. | Jan 03 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: and it's worked. | Jan 03 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Just the venue/outlet du jour | Jan 03 22:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: Murdoch has now made this complete, globally. | Jan 03 22:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | I've watched it creep along for 20 years... | Jan 03 22:33 |
| schestowitz | They would like to filter the Web now | Jan 03 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Too many 'channels' | Jan 03 22:33 |
| schestowitz | See what OrBAN does... | Jan 03 22:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | this is what TV is *for* | Jan 03 22:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | the best way to summarise it is.... | Jan 03 22:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Does a fish know it's wet?" | Jan 03 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Ha ;-) | Jan 03 22:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | Try to raise any important issue with ordinary TV watching people. | Jan 03 22:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | for example, challenge Bono's philanthrophy. | Jan 03 22:34 |
| schestowitz | They avoid it | Jan 03 22:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | Challenge global war on terror. | Jan 03 22:34 |
| schestowitz | They bluntly change subject | Jan 03 22:34 |
| schestowitz | it threatens what they know | Jan 03 22:34 |
| MinceR | qu1j0t3: before the tv, there were books and priests | Jan 03 22:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: that is true, but TV makes it possible on a global, industrial scale. | Jan 03 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Atheism, third-world reality... Politics | Jan 03 22:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: that's why the mess we're in is global and not local | Jan 03 22:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: the damage is almost total | Jan 03 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Outsourcing the nightmare | Jan 03 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Creating illusion | Jan 03 22:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: for these people, if it isn't on TV, it doesn't exist. | Jan 03 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Smiley caricatures | Jan 03 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Until photos leak in | Jan 03 22:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: which is VERY convenient for those whio built the system. | Jan 03 22:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: this applies to issues large and small... i could name a few exampels that i observed first hand this week | Jan 03 22:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | when you look at they way these people live, what they buy, what they do, you see that it's entirely in obedience to the tv | Jan 03 22:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's no exaggeration | Jan 03 22:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | sure, it's a cliche that the hippies used to espouse, bc they saw it happening, but now I know it's the simple truth | Jan 03 22:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | ask any Fox viewer, haha | Jan 03 22:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | but it's far beyond fox | Jan 03 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Fox is most viewed now, right? | Jan 03 22:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | and why? because the TV plays LITERALLY 24 hours a day in EVERY room of the house. Orwell much? | Jan 03 22:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | ^^ 24 hours a day. Every room. | Jan 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | WORST REPORTING- >best ratings | Jan 03 22:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | it becomes a living habit, they cannot do without it. | Jan 03 22:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | they feel a LACK without the TV on. | Jan 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | When stupidity is rewarded | Jan 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Commending idiocy and illusion | Jan 03 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Cause "we have faith" | Jan 03 22:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | this is not an extreme lifestyle. This is the NORMAL. | Jan 03 22:39 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: Mike says films are worse | Jan 03 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Romance, heroes... no ads | Jan 03 22:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I know about films. I've often raised themhere. | Jan 03 22:39 |
| schestowitz | High engagement | Jan 03 22:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's worse | Jan 03 22:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: war, torture, stereotypes, etc, all injected. | Jan 03 22:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: to normalise them | Jan 03 22:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: also, american exceptionalism is maintained this way. | Jan 03 22:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | in people's minds | Jan 03 22:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | as MikeC mentioned | Jan 03 22:39 |
| *schestowitz glad to be active again in Twitter+identica, lots of replies today.... enlightened people unlike TV | Jan 03 22:40 | |
| qu1j0t3 | nationalism, exceptionalism, are cancers | Jan 03 22:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | deadliest kind | Jan 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | The US is the centre of the world | Jan 03 22:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | yet TV and film nurture them, bring these myths into the hom EVERY DAY | Jan 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | As long as all the big films come from Hollywood | Jan 03 22:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | and not just americna homes! | Jan 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | The de facto std films become Avatar, Disney cartoons... | Jan 03 22:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | if you travel you realise that these myths have successfully metastasised globally | Jan 03 22:40 |
| MinceR | there are some great movies | Jan 03 22:40 |
| schestowitz | And that gives US status as de facto leader of the "good world" | Jan 03 22:41 |
| MinceR | and avatar isn't that bad | Jan 03 22:41 |
| schestowitz | I beg to differ, but I'm no PR person | Jan 03 22:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: exactly. consensus reality. mainstream reality. fiction. | Jan 03 22:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and very deliberately constructed fiction. | Jan 03 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Jan 03 22:41 |
| schestowitz | I spoke about it on the show yesterday | Jan 03 22:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: they used to attack Nazis for doing this ahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah | Jan 03 22:41 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin brought up Amazon chart | Jan 03 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Then I told him Amazon is a portion that's biased | Jan 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Amazon top sellers=US, UK...... | Jan 03 22:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | all popularity contests are meaningless in this context | Jan 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | But in the press/media we have, Amazon *is* what counts | Jan 03 22:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's EXACTLY hte same as an election | Jan 03 22:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Which hand?" | Jan 03 22:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | the kids' game. | Jan 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | I saw this nice cartoon | Jan 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Which I internalised | Jan 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Showing two legs | Jan 03 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Stomping on two people | Jan 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Left, righ, left, right... | Jan 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | And the trampled people say, "next time I vote for [other foot] | Jan 03 22:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | exactly | Jan 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | It was drawn nicely | Jan 03 22:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's happening here in Br | Jan 03 22:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | i had a chat with my father in law today while we drove 7 hrs | Jan 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Did you hear the latest? | Jan 03 22:43 |
| schestowitz | New installation... | Jan 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Bad news.. | Jan 03 22:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | Fox News North? | Jan 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.vgrass.de/?p=611 | Jan 03 22:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Dilma announced new minister of culture – and the end of the copyright reform? « vgrass.de .::. Size~: 31.31 KB | Jan 03 22:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | oh, right. | Jan 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | The new "Culture" will be Hollywood | Jan 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | It's about Brazil BTW | Jan 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Not .de | Jan 03 22:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's already pervasive here | Jan 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | glyn posted it this week | Jan 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | BBC expands to the US | Jan 03 22:44 |
| schestowitz | And Murdoch to get sky in the UK | Jan 03 22:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | i c | Jan 03 22:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | yeah i heard | Jan 03 22:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | about sky | Jan 03 22:45 |
| schestowitz | http://followthemedia.com/mediarules/bskyb03012011.htm | Jan 03 22:45 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Triangulating Murdoch .::. Size~: 24.38 KB | Jan 03 22:45 |
| schestowitz | "Sky News, which operates under News International, drew heat from some quarters fearful it would morph into something like News Corporation’s veracity -challenged, teabagger-supporting US all (sort of) news channel Fox News." | Jan 03 22:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's deep shit to be sure | Jan 03 22:45 |
| schestowitz | It was bad before | Jan 03 22:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | i know | Jan 03 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Partly owned by Murdoch | Jan 03 22:45 |
| schestowitz | It's shown along with CNN in many places | Jan 03 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Serving a consistent message | Jan 03 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Imposed status quo | Jan 03 22:46 |
| schestowitz | No opposing views, thus affirmation | Jan 03 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [20:10] <schestowitz> They never quite thing of how these people are products or someone else | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:11] <schestowitz> Thrown into the ashtray at will, attempting solo/indie career or a book before falling into obscurity | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:11] <schestowitz> Then maybe working in a bar (which is a dignified job by the way.. feeding or entertaining people) | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:12] <MikeC> we are being farmed, dumbed down and in most cases given just enough education to perform, there is less requirement for intellect in opur mechanised/computerised society, granted we need the people to service/program the machines but little beyond that, my job 50 years ago would have been considerably more intellectually demanding | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:13] <schestowitz> Here is a very short video you must watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOlcUVFSYCs&feature=youtu.be | Jan 03 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Why We Need WikiLeaks .::. Size~: 123.95 KB | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:13] <schestowitz> it ends with a reminder we must educate people | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:14] <schestowitz> That's what my sites are about.. helping people develop some critical skills about their surroundings...and of course becoming aware of the unjust... I cover more than just tech since 2008 | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:14] <MikeC> whay are we still workinga forty hour week, surely if we all haved our consumption and collaborated more we could work less and spend more time thinking, we are all living seperate self serving lives in competition with each other which is the system that consumes the most and delivers more debt into the hands of the bankers | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:14] <schestowitz> NO | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:14] <schestowitz> nO | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:14] <schestowitz> i MEAN | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:14] <schestowitz> hEH | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:14] <schestowitz> CAPS locks... | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <schestowitz> Ok. | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <schestowitz> The thing is this | Jan 03 22:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | right. | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <schestowitz> People are more stressed today than before | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <schestowitz> But we have washing machines... | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <schestowitz> We automated dull tasks... | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <schestowitz> And in China too, development is statistically making them more depressed | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <schestowitz> Many in the US are on meds for psychological reasons. | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:15] <MikeC> we are becoming dehumanised | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <schestowitz> Granted, some of for made-up 'problems' defined and classified by those who push the drugs | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <schestowitz> vis-a-vis, the BBC's docu' on PR covered this IIRC | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <MikeC> kids are mainly on meds because feminism has sent their mothers into the workplace | Jan 03 22:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | dumbed down/ just enough education to perform --- exactly | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <schestowitz> Hmmm... | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <MikeC> its a modern phenomenon | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <schestowitz> Do you watch that video BTW? | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <schestowitz> Save it for later if not | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <MikeC> not yet | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <schestowitz> I have another one for you | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:17] <MikeC> and also medicalising bad behaviour creates another market for big pharma too | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:17] <schestowitz> Quick point worth adding | Jan 03 22:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:17] <schestowitz> A stable system uses as deterrent against opposition its own citizens | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:18] <schestowitz> Not just people in special cloth... | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:18] <schestowitz> aka cops | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:18] <schestowitz> But also cultural | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:18] <schestowitz> People discouraging different opinions | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:18] <schestowitz> Or new information they did not have befoe | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:18] <schestowitz> e.g. Osama worked for the CIA | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:18] <schestowitz> China borrows money to US... | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:18] <MikeC> but human brains develop mostly outside the womb, unlike horses we cannot walk or function at birth, we are very sensitive to our environment during the primary years of brain development from 0 to 5, during this period women are nowadays absent and in work, chilhood psychological problems follow | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:19] <schestowitz> Things we make take for granted as informed people are outlandish to vast majority of popu' | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:19] <schestowitz> but they have nannies | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:19] <schestowitz> For the kids | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:19] <schestowitz> Not a perfect subs', but still... | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <schestowitz> It's a bit like a production line | Jan 03 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <schestowitz> Breeding kids | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <schestowitz> Paying someone to 'manufacture' growth | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <schestowitz> Coming back from work at 7 | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <schestowitz> Spending some time with the baby | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <schestowitz> But the mission is fulfilment of the model where normality is attained by compliance | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <MikeC> nannies who do not make the same emotional attachment, the children of rich people often go to boarding school and have nannies and often grow up to be rich adults with the same cold emotional detachment and lack of empathy borne out of childhood parental seperation/nannying, they can also often as a result be quite ruthless | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <schestowitz> There is a discouragement method here | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <schestowitz> People who see no reason to expand human population are: | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <schestowitz> 1) gay | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <schestowitz> 2) poor | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <schestowitz> 3) bad parents | Jan 03 22:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | "medicalising bad behaviour creates another market │ | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <schestowitz> 4) don't add to society | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <schestowitz> 5) [...] all the above | Jan 03 22:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | for big pharma too" << exaclty | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <schestowitz> It compels more people to create more people to work and pay the dbet | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <MikeC> yes thats my point | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <schestowitz> The bigger the pyramid, the sparser it gets at the bottom | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <schestowitz> Nobody wants to control a small pyramid | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <schestowitz> CEOs want to grow their company | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <schestowitz> It increases their power | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <MikeC> 'human resources' | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <schestowitz> Companies are tyranical entities BTW... just a statement of fact | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <schestowitz> oh, yeah,... HR | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <schestowitz> Check your birth cerf | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <schestowitz> Maybe has a barcode... | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <schestowitz> Human value too | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <MikeC> perpetual growth cannot be sustained, we need to decide on the equilibrium population | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <schestowitz> It's treated like a commodity | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:24] <schestowitz> there is no equilibrium | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:24] <schestowitz> Human mind doesn't work that way | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:24] <schestowitz> We inherited this from our forefathers the bacteria :-) | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:25] <MikeC> the global banking system has no interest in limiting the number of humans it can leach off, the more the better, population contraction spells disaster as there is reliance on more people to pay off their manufactured debt | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:26] <MikeC> you are exactly the kind of person they would engineer people to believe as a friek or geek, you consume very little and have amind of your own | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:26] <MikeC> you are a threat | Jan 03 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [20:27] <MikeC> you reject debt | Jan 03 22:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | yus | Jan 03 22:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | and now we see the threads of common interest joining to form the cabal that was so well described by Julian Assange and the exegetic essay | Jan 03 22:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | WL is the only credible force contra | Jan 03 22:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | JA knew all this stuff decades ago, as we all did | Jan 03 22:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | but he decided to do something about it | Jan 03 22:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | he knew what would happen | Jan 03 22:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | (to him) | Jan 03 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't know enough about the Ellsberg case | Jan 03 22:56 |
| schestowitz | But I'm watching a long program about it | Jan 03 22:56 |
| schestowitz | As I understand it, they played shrinks against him | Jan 03 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Nixon did... | Jan 03 22:56 |
| schestowitz | The programme is here: http://vimeo.com/groups/1615/videos/10540038 | Jan 03 22:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The Most Dangerous Man in America - Short Films on Vimeo .::. Size~: 74.49 KB | Jan 03 22:57 |
| schestowitz | [20:27] <MikeC> as does islam to a certain degree, i wonder if..... | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:29] <MikeC> bacteria | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:29] <schestowitz> [20:26] <MikeC> you are exactly the kind of person they would engineer people to believe as a friek or geek, you consume very little and have amind of your own | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:29] <schestowitz> Yes, I try to stay outside the system that I help explain criticially | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:30] <schestowitz> Doing anything else would be hard to do without guilt | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:30] <schestowitz> It would also be hypocritical is a critic was to find out | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:30] <schestowitz> The other day I told a banker I was speaking to in a bank about Wikileaks | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:30] <schestowitz> And BoA | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:31] <MikeC> looking from outer space some might think we bear a resemblance to bacteria, constantly growing and consuming, eating everything up, imagine if we were a weapon in a galactic planetary war, where our concept of time is slowed down enormously we would be like a virus destroying the cell planet. | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:31] <schestowitz> As you know, they have heaps of toxic stuff on them | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:31] <schestowitz> It's funny seeing what bankers say to defend the institution they devote their lives to | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:31] <schestowitz> There always exist some sound bytes for them to feel comfy | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:31] <schestowitz> I once dated this girl who studied law | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:32] <schestowitz> And I can't recall what exactly she said | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:32] <schestowitz> But it irked me | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:32] <schestowitz> Something about why there were 'the' important occupation | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:32] <schestowitz> (Talking for people) | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:32] <schestowitz> And I once knew this housemate of mine in 2003 who did an MBA | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:32] <schestowitz> And gosh what a disgusting person | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:33] <MikeC> i can imagine an egotist | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:33] <schestowitz> They think it's their duty to abuse other humans | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:33] <schestowitz> They are heavily indoctrinated or many grew up being abused in their house | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:33] <MikeC> i hope you dumped her | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:33] <MikeC> and one up the bum no harm done too:) | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:33] <schestowitz> it never got further | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:34] <schestowitz> I was not interested, either | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:34] <MikeC> they will no doubt carry the same status anxieties as their parents, always in need of someone to look down on to affirm their own self appointed status | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <MikeC> and illusion of being more worthwhile then the rest of us | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <schestowitz> It depends how though | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <schestowitz> Some do it by coercion | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <schestowitz> Some serve power structures | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <schestowitz> Some serve their ego by helping the exploited | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <schestowitz> I'd rather think that -- if anything -- I do the latter. | Jan 03 22:58 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <MikeC> yes a lot of the time i hate to say it but based on my lifes experience people can more often than not = shit | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <schestowitz> And I never expect to get rewarded for it | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <schestowitz> Scum like Kissinger stomping on people gets all the big power and fame | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <schestowitz> People like Mandela get locked in a cage | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> re people, no, I'm not anti-people | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> I know people who are | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> Some devalue their peers | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> Some see their peers' bad behaviour and feel disgust with human kind as a whole | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> That's a different thing | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> Although it sounds similar | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <MikeC> yes | Jan 03 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdQxxmBkr5k | Jan 03 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | I love this vlogger...... | Jan 03 23:00 |
| schestowitz | "Koch Media Crew" | Jan 03 23:00 |
| schestowitz | "Koch Media Crew (@KochMedia_es) is now following your tweets (@schestowitz) on Twitter. " | Jan 03 23:00 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> I know people of bothj groups | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> I'm not anti-people | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <MikeC> you would be if you worked where i did:) | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <MikeC> only joking:) | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <schestowitz> I just choose to spend a lot of time trying to advance the interests of those whom I see trampled on | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <schestowitz> People around me are not those people | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <schestowitz> Those people are on the Web... | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <schestowitz> Web cafes.... Brazil... India.. | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <schestowitz> Hehe | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:39] <schestowitz> I bet SteveO was demoted to toilet brusher for Lee now.. | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:39] <schestowitz> They're a "happy family..." | Jan 03 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [20:41] <MikeC> Lee has gone | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:41] <MikeC> he left the company | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:42] <MikeC> quite sad really | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:44] <schestowitz> Hmm..... | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:44] <schestowitz> How's the company doing? | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:44] <schestowitz> Govt. to spend less money on programmes | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:44] <schestowitz> I reckon it's like another Thatcher era | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:45] <MikeC> well i hear a director may be leaving and he brings in most of the work, i think 2011 will be the year i part company with the company | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:45] <MikeC> so to speak | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:45] <MikeC> just need to keep saving | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:46] <MikeC> i have enough now to last two years, do you think that will be enough? | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:47] <MikeC> or is the uk approaching a tipping point into constant decline, the imperial treasure chest is empty | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:47] <MikeC> the rewards of empire now spent | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:47] <MikeC> manufacturing gone | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:48] <MikeC> uk credit card maxed out | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:48] <MikeC> nowhere to run to | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:48] <MikeC> abandon ship | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:48] <MikeC> the time has come | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:48] <MikeC> we face the final curtain | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:48] <MikeC> with many regrets | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:49] <MikeC> too numerous to mention | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:49] <MikeC> we may live to rue the days we would annually piss away thousands on beach holidays | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:49] <MikeC> new cars | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:49] <MikeC> tv's | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:50] <MikeC> clothes | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:50] <MikeC> fast food | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:50] <MikeC> hot chicks | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:50] <MikeC> hot food | Jan 03 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [20:50] <MikeC> fast chicks | Jan 03 23:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's likely that i won't be able to scroll this back. | Jan 03 23:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: later. | Jan 03 23:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: :/ | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | OK.... | Jan 03 23:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'll find it in the www log? | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | It's the end of it anyway | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | yes, tomorrow | Jan 03 23:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | ok | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | The last bit is this: | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Biz doesn't go well in the UK... | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | [20:52] <schestowitz> [20:45] <MikeC> well i hear a director may be leaving and he brings in most of the work, i think 2011 will be the year i part company with the company | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | [20:52] <schestowitz> Do you have fallback? | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | [20:52] <schestowitz> btw, sorry for lag in responding, I'm eager to talk | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | [20:52] <schestowitz> [20:47] <MikeC> the rewards of empire now spent | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | [20:53] <schestowitz> What do you know about "IP" | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | [20:53] <schestowitz> It's a propaganda term by the way | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | [20:53] <schestowitz> Used a lot in the West | Jan 03 23:03 |
| schestowitz | [20:53] <schestowitz> To mean patents, brands (TM), copyrights... | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:53] <schestowitz> The UK relies on these virtual fake monopolies... | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:53] <schestowitz> No domestic production | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:54] <MikeC> i have enough now to last two years, do you think that will be enough? | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:54] <MikeC> not sure what ip is | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:54] <schestowitz> Depends | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:54] <schestowitz> On how low-budget you are willing to live | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <schestowitz> Some people are deterred by the "if my friends saw me" factor | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <MikeC> i mean do you think two years will be long enough to find a job | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <schestowitz> Going back to the "to be loved" test | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <schestowitz> People's perceived status | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:56] <schestowitz> IP or IPR is what they abbreviate Intellectual Property Rights to.. | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:56] <schestowitz> I write about it all the time | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:56] <schestowitz> My main concern | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:56] <schestowitz> How the West uses these made up 'laws' and forces them upon others to continue exploiting others without lifting a finger | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:57] <MikeC> do you have a simple example | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:57] <schestowitz> The question about money lasting I think is misguided as it's not the right one to ask | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:58] <schestowitz> One can be philosophically sounds and extremely happy (I am) based upon expectations | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:58] <schestowitz> I don't need to worry too much about being left hungry and in a tent cause in the West it takes a lot to end up this way | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <schestowitz> People who live in caravans are still far better off than the average human | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <schestowitz> West=~10% of world | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <schestowitz> Example re IPR? | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <schestowitz> My site has thousands of examples, Microsoft being one of them | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [20:59] <schestowitz> They use EULA and patents they make artificial limitations on supply and coding | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:00] <schestowitz> BAsically they lobbies to pass laws which ensure people must pay them taxes | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:00] <schestowitz> I look mostly at this angle of things | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:00] <schestowitz> Other than that I program for a living, so it can affect me | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:04] <schestowitz> Don't set the bar too high... I think my negative approach towards things, where by negative I mean that I always assume the worst of outcome and therefore I'm always surprised for the better, will reduce worry time. I let the bastards who work hard all day making currencies just have their coronaries while I enjoy the simple things like music... whilst also exposing them | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:04] <schestowitz> Society would function OK with more people like you and me..... | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:04] <schestowitz> But... | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:04] <schestowitz> Society is not 'the system' | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:05] <schestowitz> That's what people do not understand unless they go to some particular counmtries | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:05] <schestowitz> Brazil is now having some business crony were pro-culture people was previously installed | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:05] <schestowitz> I feel bad for Brazil, one of the world's mightiest nations in terms of popu' size | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz |  | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:06] <MikeC> good to speak to you roy, i gotta go now, keep well | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:06] <MikeC> i am getting flu | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:06] <MikeC> i feel bad | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [21:12] <schestowitz> ok | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | OK, I'll try to do some posts before bedtime now.... | Jan 03 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Been a weird day today catching up with Linux | Jan 03 23:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | :) | Jan 03 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I have too many posts to do | Jan 03 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Like 1-2MB of text | Jan 03 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Lots about Gates, haven't started editing yet | Jan 03 23:07 |
| schestowitz | But it's good news | Jan 03 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Journalists start exposing it, they can't buy the press quickly enough | Jan 03 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Jan 03 23:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | the other thing about debt | Jan 03 23:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | fosters total obedience | Jan 03 23:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | i wonder if there's a push to convert bankruptcy into a crime yet | Jan 03 23:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | ok i gotta go | Jan 03 23:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | [20:58] <schestowitz> I don't need to worry too much about being left │ | Jan 03 23:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | hungry and in a tent cause in the West it takes a lot to end up this way -- no it's doesn't. | Jan 03 23:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | tent cities springing up in california | Jan 03 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | supposedly the promised land - according to hollywood - where everyone is beautiful , rich, and the streets are paved with gold | Jan 03 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | people around here believe it | Jan 03 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | they waste thousands on pilgrimages to Disneyworld and never see the reality of USA | Jan 03 23:21 |
| *qu1j0t3 will stay connected bc otherwise can't scroll back | Jan 03 23:22 | |
| schestowitz | [23:19] <qu1j0t3> fosters total obedience | Jan 03 23:23 |
| schestowitz | They say debt is the new slave master | Jan 03 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Forces people to do the unwanted | Jan 03 23:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | it has long been, just that now debt is considered normal and expected | Jan 03 23:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | you're encouraged to get credit cards as young as possible: In US, now 13 yrs old | Jan 03 23:24 |
| schestowitz | [23:21] <qu1j0t3> tent cities springing up in california | Jan 03 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 03 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know till Mike showed me vids in 2008 | Jan 03 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Won't see it in CNN much :-) | Jan 03 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Debt... it's a wondeful invention. Buy a house... pay for 3 as time goes buy :-) | Jan 03 23:26 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/61491940 | Jan 03 23:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Monday, 03-Jan-11 23:24:44 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz: Sorry, that confused me I was expecting El reg and went to a video on CO2, I will watch for longer next time. | Jan 03 23:26 |
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