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| qu1j0t3 | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/03/2127257 schestowitz | Jan 04 01:01 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: any sign of trmanco | Jan 04 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | > Interesting. I have just read a story in French: | Jan 04 05:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 04 05:41 |
| schestowitz | > Washington et Berlin développent des satellites espions, affirme WikiLeaks | Jan 04 05:41 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.lemonde.fr/documents-wikileaks/article/2011/01/03/washington-et-berlin-developpent-des-satellites-espions-affirme-wikileaks_1460272_1446239.html | Jan 04 05:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 04 05:41 |
| schestowitz | > where the US and German goverments have been collaborating on the development of spy satellites. Strangely enough (that is, even though Le Monde is one of the newspapers which has signed an agreement with Wikileaks), this story quotes a Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten. Aftenposten has somehow gotten access to all of the cables without signing an agreement. Thus the subject of this e-mail: a wikileaks leak? It is truly | Jan 04 05:41 |
| schestowitz | strange that Le Monde did not source the cable directly and write its own story and instead the Norwegian paper wrote the story on its own initiative, which the French paper quotes. And, no, I don't find the story itself to be very surprising at all. | Jan 04 05:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 04 05:41 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Washington et Berlin développent des satellites espions, affirme WikiLeaks - LeMonde.fr .::. Size~: 107.41 KB | Jan 04 05:41 |
| schestowitz | > Regards, | Jan 04 05:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/robsanchezjr/statuses/22190030298554368 | Jan 04 10:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @robsanchezjr: @schestowitz I think he's doing this as a way to insure that he lives. http://ur1.ca/2qnoy http://ff.im/-wf64C | Jan 04 10:07 |
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| qu1j0t3 | j`ey | qu1j0t3: read the etrrnal golden braid; <-- no, not the whole thing. I skimmed it about 25 yrs ago | Jan 04 12:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | aff | Jan 04 12:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | wc | Jan 04 12:21 |
| MinceR | wc -l | Jan 04 12:27 |
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| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: good day | Jan 04 12:28 |
| MinceR | hay | Jan 04 12:28 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: I'm reading the logs | Jan 04 13:18 |
| MinceR | In Soviet Russia, logs read YOU!! | Jan 04 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Do you know Globo? | Jan 04 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Fitting name.. | Jan 04 13:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I feel violated! | Jan 04 13:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 04 13:20 |
| schestowitz | [19:29.07] <qu1j0t3> see, TV conceals boredom. | Jan 04 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Exactly | Jan 04 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:17.32] <qu1j0t3> they had a tv in every room playing 24 hours a day | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:18.48] <Quadrescence> what | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:18.50] <Quadrescence> seriously? :(\ | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:19.51] <qu1j0t3> ya | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:19.56] <qu1j0t3> that's how normal people live, i guess | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:20.15] <qu1j0t3> it's so depressing | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:20.20] <qu1j0t3> the effect is about the same as heroin addiction | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:20.34] <qu1j0t3> worse, really, since it replaces all other source | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | of information or culture | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:21.14] <qu1j0t3> thye don't DO anything. most of the time they don't | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | even change the channel | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:21.18] <qu1j0t3> WHATEVER IS ON is okay. | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:21.27] <qu1j0t3> i found this ... quite revolting | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | So true... | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | I see this even today | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | had an argument | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Seen how people are afraid to go to places alone | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it's part of what they are used to seeing | Jan 04 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:24.09] <qu1j0t3> TV contains nothing important or true. | Jan 04 13:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:24.16] <Quadrescence> Right | Jan 04 13:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:24.21] <qu1j0t3> it's there deliberately to keep us away from the | Jan 04 13:23 |
| schestowitz | important and true. | Jan 04 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Precisely | Jan 04 13:23 |
| schestowitz | [19:37.36] <qu1j0t3> yet, all these people around me are. | Jan 04 13:24 |
| schestowitz | [19:37.41] <qu1j0t3> because they never. do. anything. | Jan 04 13:24 |
| schestowitz | [19:37.54] <qu1j0t3> except obey the box | Jan 04 13:24 |
| schestowitz | "OBEY!!! The Box!!" | Jan 04 13:24 |
| schestowitz | But you have a cliker | Jan 04 13:24 |
| schestowitz | Like patients at the hospital | Jan 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Tapping a clicker to control the dosage | Jan 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | They can't input text | Jan 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | It's not a computer | Jan 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Find me "klsdfj dsfkjds hfkj dshkf' | Jan 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Highlight, copy, share with friend... | Jan 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Just sit back... | Jan 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Cruise channels of uninterrupted input | Jan 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | [19:40.06] <qu1j0t3> well, the whole house was filled with supermarket junk | Jan 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | [19:40.18] <qu1j0t3> Quadrescence: the flipside of TV addiction is MALL | Jan 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | as Recreation | Jan 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: Mall is like the meeting you have that you never really have | Jan 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | It's an excuse to go out | Jan 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | "What did you do last night?" | Jan 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Q: "I went 'window-shopping' at the mall" | Jan 04 13:27 |
| schestowitz | A rather | Jan 04 13:27 |
| schestowitz | (A) rather | Jan 04 13:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:43.14] <qu1j0t3> Quadrescence: we're down so deep a hole i don't | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | know if we'll ever get out. | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:43.35] <qu1j0t3> Quadrescence: and i've spent 25 years looking at | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | society from an outsider angle, and i've never been so sure that I am right. | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:43.37] <Quadrescence> whatever garbage CNN/Faux puts up, it goes | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | right into the NORAD command center | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:43.38] <Quadrescence> as if they | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:43.42] <Quadrescence> re a reliable source of news | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:43.45] <qu1j0t3> consensus reality. | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:43.59] <qu1j0t3> they ARE reliable guide to the consensus reality, | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | which those soldiers are there to enforce. | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:44.17] <qu1j0t3> qu1j0t3: r u kidding? wikileaks was banned .. and | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | you can see why | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:44.24] <qu1j0t3> Quadrescence: it directlyu challenges consensus reality | Jan 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: my mate Mike is about your age and has similar opinions | Jan 04 13:30 |
| schestowitz | And he used to serve the British army... got out of there fast and climbed up and out of that hole | Jan 04 13:31 |
| schestowitz | Got 3 Masters degree now... | Jan 04 13:31 |
| schestowitz | But... | Jan 04 13:31 |
| schestowitz | He is shy to express his opinions at work | Jan 04 13:31 |
| schestowitz | It's strongly discouraged for obvious reaons | Jan 04 13:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | wow. 3 masters. | Jan 04 13:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | :) | Jan 04 13:32 |
| schestowitz | [20:46.21] <qu1j0t3> poor people. not even windows. | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | [20:46.26] <qu1j0t3> Every house has a dish | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | [20:46.40] <qu1j0t3> yes. | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | [20:46.48] <qu1j0t3> you GOTTA have a TV or you're nobody. | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | ... | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | [20:47.41] <qu1j0t3> but yeah, even the poorest streets... so there's | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | something in this as well. | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | [20:47.48] <qu1j0t3> i ended up suspecting there is a govt subsidy | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | [20:47.50] <qu1j0t3> and you can see why | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | [20:47.55] <qu1j0t3> TV is the ultimate tool of govt | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | In some countries it's not the TV | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | It's like you set up a dish | Jan 04 13:33 |
| schestowitz | And hen build a house 'around' it | Jan 04 13:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jan 04 13:34 |
| schestowitz | First you make the foundation -- establishment control if you like ;-) | Jan 04 13:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | wired in. | Jan 04 13:34 |
| schestowitz | The kids yell if they get no TV | Jan 04 13:34 |
| schestowitz | The 'education' starts early | Jan 04 13:34 |
| schestowitz | In the West it's consumerism | Jan 04 13:34 |
| schestowitz | 'famous' catoons | Jan 04 13:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | all this used to be considered half a joke -- that the tv is used to produce conformity. but look, it's worked! everybody conforms. it's no joke. | Jan 04 13:34 |
| schestowitz | 'famous' cartoons | Jan 04 13:34 |
| schestowitz | And brands | Jan 04 13:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. single culture. | Jan 04 13:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | kill off diversity. | Jan 04 13:35 |
| schestowitz | And the kids must have a TV and toys or be mocked by friends | Jan 04 13:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | right. | Jan 04 13:35 |
| schestowitz | The friends are taught to judge other kids by possession | Jan 04 13:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Can I go to my friends' house and watch tv? Mom?" | Jan 04 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Peer pressure does the rest | Jan 04 13:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | curse of hippie parents: disconnection from the Master Culture | Jan 04 13:35 |
| schestowitz | So it becomes a self-sustaining subsystem | Jan 04 13:35 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: re Mike | Jan 04 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Never ask him about the army.. | Jan 04 13:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | np, wasn't planning to :) | Jan 04 13:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | is he in TR? | Jan 04 13:36 |
| schestowitz | It's one of those people so embarrassed about it | Jan 04 13:36 |
| schestowitz | No | Jan 04 13:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that's why the upper-middle families here go to Disneyworld. | Jan 04 13:36 |
| schestowitz | There are question I ask people who go to the military as a joke | Jan 04 13:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's 'expected'; eveyrbody else does; we must | Jan 04 13:36 |
| schestowitz | To make them giggle | Jan 04 13:36 |
| schestowitz | The humour | Jan 04 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Those who defend what they did I can make feel guilt | Jan 04 13:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: they go directly there. never see anything of USA. just the crap they are indoctrinated to wnat, to expect. no surprises. | Jan 04 13:36 |
| schestowitz | "Did you know the person you shot?" | Jan 04 13:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | hm | Jan 04 13:37 |
| schestowitz | "How do you know the bomb didn't fall on a baby?" | Jan 04 13:37 |
| schestowitz | That type of stuff.. | Jan 04 13:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Gulf War I solved that problem. | Jan 04 13:37 |
| schestowitz | That's when you deal with hardcore ones | Jan 04 13:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: which was why i was so freaked out at the time. | Jan 04 13:37 |
| schestowitz | The once who think of it as legacy of heroism | Jan 04 13:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I had a troll on twitter | Jan 04 13:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: armchair soldier | Jan 04 13:38 |
| schestowitz | They never asked themselves if the "enemy" as defined by their bosses really is an enemy | Jan 04 13:38 |
| schestowitz | There's no good guys and bad guys | Jan 04 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Often both sides as bad | Jan 04 13:38 |
| schestowitz | it's he people who take orders who keep it going | Jan 04 13:38 |
| schestowitz | They think it's Xbox | Jan 04 13:38 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FVddVw5-Pk | Jan 04 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - War is a video game (Light em up) .::. Size~: 135.42 KB | Jan 04 13:39 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: amchair literally? | Jan 04 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Or idiom-y? | Jan 04 13:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | idiom-y | Jan 04 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Mike was in the war | Jan 04 13:39 |
| schestowitz | You know about the uraniam I reckon... | Jan 04 13:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | DU yes | Jan 04 13:40 |
| MinceR | armchair soldier -- like the guys who control UAVs? :> | Jan 04 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I finished reading the logs | Jan 04 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Very fun read | Jan 04 13:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: heh, right. :( | Jan 04 13:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: those suck | Jan 04 13:40 |
| MinceR | i disagree | Jan 04 13:40 |
| schestowitz | You can do the same with higher res picture | Jan 04 13:40 |
| schestowitz | At home | Jan 04 13:40 |
| schestowitz | On a machine | Jan 04 13:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: 'field trip...' sociology haha | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | But the blood doesn't taste the same.. | Jan 04 13:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: exactly!! | Jan 04 13:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: training | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | War is good | Jan 04 13:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: normality | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | VIoleence is fun | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Head shots are winners | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Shoot them up | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Light em up | Jan 04 13:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: also: you are the GOOD guy and everyone else is the BAD guy. DaemonFC's problem. | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Practice with games | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Mike has opinions on all that too | Jan 04 13:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: he never could see the logical problem | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | How consoles grease up the kids | Jan 04 13:41 |
| schestowitz | And how they choose targets in the game to align with the "enemy" du jour | Jan 04 13:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: also, identifying enemies by appearance, language, etc. | Jan 04 13:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: locale | Jan 04 13:42 |
| schestowitz | He correctly predicted that they would make Chavez a target | Jan 04 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Then Chavez banned it | Jan 04 13:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: "oh, a middle eastern city; let's use for target practice" <--- except this is exactly what DID happen. | Jan 04 13:42 |
| schestowitz | And he was daemonised in the press for it | Jan 04 13:42 |
| schestowitz | When Arabs make games with US targets the US uses that as propaganda against Arabs | Jan 04 13:42 |
| schestowitz | [13:41] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: also: you are the GOOD guy and everyone else is the BAD guy. DaemonFC's problem. | Jan 04 13:43 |
| schestowitz | It's more complicated than that | Jan 04 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Stupidity is rewarded now | Jan 04 13:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, part of his problem is easy to see like this | Jan 04 13:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | he has been indoctrinated to think he needs to carry a gun, to defend himself, to be Dirty Harry (his self image) | Jan 04 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01d2Nft6Chw | Jan 04 13:45 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - American. Ashamed. .::. Size~: 136.65 KB | Jan 04 13:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | but he forgets that every other idiot around him is the same | Jan 04 13:45 |
| schestowitz | He explains it well | Jan 04 13:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | but when HE shoots somebody in the head, it's self defence, noble | Jan 04 13:45 |
| schestowitz | The mindset where truth doesn't matter | Jan 04 13:45 |
| schestowitz | "Goddamn, I'm from the home of the brave....." | Jan 04 13:45 |
| schestowitz | Not exact quote of anything | Jan 04 13:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jan 04 13:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | exceptionalism. Fish don't knwo they're wet...... | Jan 04 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Watch the video | Jan 04 13:46 |
| schestowitz | It gets good around 3:00 | Jan 04 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Nail on head | Jan 04 13:46 |
| MinceR | the idiots around you aren't going to become any less dangerous if you don't carry weapons | Jan 04 13:46 |
| schestowitz | Arms race | Jan 04 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Other than the fact idiots will not be carrying weapons if weapons are out lawed. | Jan 04 13:48 |
| MinceR | wrong | Jan 04 13:48 |
| MinceR | criminals tend to disobey the law | Jan 04 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Ok last 12 months Australia how many gun crimes. | Jan 04 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Guns and crime here are rare. | Jan 04 13:50 |
| oiaohm | More likely to be knocked out with bat or held up by knife these days. | Jan 04 13:51 |
| MinceR | so they exist | Jan 04 13:51 |
| MinceR | also, what do you think bats and knives are? | Jan 04 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Shorter than a brom | Jan 04 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Even some unbrellas. | Jan 04 13:51 |
| MinceR | they're still weapons | Jan 04 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically in arms race here. Shopkeeper can be ahead against. | Jan 04 13:52 |
| oiaohm | them now that guns are gone. | Jan 04 13:52 |
| MinceR | the arms race exists even if you don't like it or ignore it | Jan 04 13:52 |
| MinceR | it's just that then you automatically lose | Jan 04 13:52 |
| oiaohm | What is the big problem about a gun and a idiot. | Jan 04 13:53 |
| oiaohm | They don't have to be close to you to hurt you. | Jan 04 13:53 |
| MinceR | there are many problems with it | Jan 04 13:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR | the idiots around you aren't going to become any less dangerous if you │ | Jan 04 13:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | don't carry weapons | Jan 04 13:53 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: did you watch the video? | Jan 04 13:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | ^^ that's exactly the faulty reasoning I'm lambasting DFC for. | Jan 04 13:53 |
| MinceR | but wishful thinking is going to solve none of them | Jan 04 13:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | of course, DFC isn't an idiot. | Jan 04 13:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | he;s a warrior | Jan 04 13:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | one of the good guys | Jan 04 13:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | ready for any evil to raise its head | Jan 04 13:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | concealed carry. takes the gun to bars. | Jan 04 13:54 |
| MinceR | does one have to be a warrior in order to prepare to defend oneself to some extent? | Jan 04 13:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Jan 04 13:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm only describing his mentality | Jan 04 13:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | how he rationalises it to himself | Jan 04 13:55 |
| schestowitz | I mostly ignore Daemon when I can | Jan 04 13:55 |
| MinceR | sure, but you seem to get a few things wrong | Jan 04 13:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | "I'm good. I must defeend myself from the EVIL that lurks all around me." | Jan 04 13:55 |
| schestowitz | He provokes by using racism to get responses | Jan 04 13:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: what you you think walking sticks and unbrellas are for. MinceR | Jan 04 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Or statements of menacing nature | Jan 04 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Shock treatment | Jan 04 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Something a idoit normaly will not carry. | Jan 04 13:55 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: walking sticks are for supporting one's own body and umbrellas are so something can break if there's a wind :> | Jan 04 13:56 |
| MinceR | but they can be used as weapons too | Jan 04 13:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: do you carry a gun everywhere you go? | Jan 04 13:56 |
| MinceR | no | Jan 04 13:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: why not? shoudn't you defend yourself against the bad people all around? | Jan 04 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Again depends on the walking stick and depends on the unbrella | Jan 04 13:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | isn't it your obligation, as a Good Law Abiding person? | Jan 04 13:56 |
| MinceR | i'm not allowed to have a gun, i can't afford one and i don't have the time for training | Jan 04 13:56 |
| oiaohm | Some of the old solid shaft unbrellas basically will not bend. | Jan 04 13:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | btu you aren't SAFE without one | Jan 04 13:57 |
| MinceR | it isn't an obligation, it's self-interest | Jan 04 13:57 |
| MinceR | i know i'm not safe | Jan 04 13:57 |
| oiaohm | And will beat the crap out a person quite effectively. | Jan 04 13:57 |
| oiaohm | I have even seen a thief dropped by purse. | Jan 04 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes I do mean dropped. | Jan 04 13:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: In Soviet Russia, thief drops purse | Jan 04 13:57 |
| oiaohm | When the purse is hammer thrown while containing about 2 kg of coin | Jan 04 13:58 |
| oiaohm | its kinda cracked skull. | Jan 04 13:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: interesting! | Jan 04 13:58 |
| MinceR | who the hell carries 2kg of coin with them? | Jan 04 13:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | @terrycojones on twitter has some entertaining tales about confronting and chasing pickpockets in Barcelona | Jan 04 13:58 |
| MinceR | s/in/ins/ | Jan 04 13:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: ppl doingbank runs :) | Jan 04 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Person taking shops till to bank. | Jan 04 13:58 |
| MinceR | interesting weapon to rob banks with... | Jan 04 13:58 |
| oiaohm | Yes those bags have all kinds of different looks | Jan 04 13:59 |
| MinceR | or is that not what you mean by "bank run"? :> | Jan 04 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Including a over the shoulder purse. | Jan 04 13:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: i mean what oiaohm said. | Jan 04 13:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | bank run ... depositing takings | Jan 04 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Due to the strong handle makes a perfect mace/hammer throwable item. | Jan 04 13:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: ya | Jan 04 13:59 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 04 13:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: interesting design | Jan 04 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes I have seen thiefs beat sensless even killed by them. | Jan 04 14:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | i am sure, the sock-full-of-quarters is legendary. | Jan 04 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Because by the time the thief works out what is coming there way its kinda too late. | Jan 04 14:00 |
| oiaohm | 2 kg of coins also in them breaks straight threw the bones of arm if they try to block it that way. | Jan 04 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Basically don't underestermate the effectiveness off the stealth mace. | Jan 04 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Sock full of quarters is resonsablly effectively normally don't kill. | Jan 04 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Ie not enough weight. | Jan 04 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Once you cross the magical 1 kg with 30 cm plus cord you are in killing area of a hideable weapon. | Jan 04 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes and that is simple for a woman to hide. Lot harder for a man. | Jan 04 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie purse filled with crap to the right weight hello weapon. | Jan 04 14:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: + of course woman is more surprising when she turns out to have a defence. thief is less prepared for it | Jan 04 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Yes it what proves thiefs are idiots | Jan 04 14:05 |
| oiaohm | High heals weapon 1. | Jan 04 14:05 |
| oiaohm | The purse the lady is carring weapon 2. | Jan 04 14:06 |
| oiaohm | That hairspray or equal in purse weapon 3 | Jan 04 14:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | and Palin's WINK ftw | Jan 04 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Wepaon 4 those nice sharp diamon rings they have a habit of wearing. | Jan 04 14:06 |
| MinceR | but carrying weapons is evil, right? :> | Jan 04 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Again remember it was the gun that gives theifs most of there advantage over a woman due to the weapons there normally carry. | Jan 04 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Reason don't have to get close. | Jan 04 14:08 |
| MinceR | poor weak thieves need a gun because they can't defeat the scary woman otherwise? | Jan 04 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Most theifs are male. | Jan 04 14:08 |
| oiaohm | And yes most case trained woman if she is not caught by supprised the male thief is doomed. | Jan 04 14:09 |
| oiaohm | If thief only has knife. | Jan 04 14:09 |
| oiaohm | For the simple reason reach of purse wins. | Jan 04 14:09 |
| MinceR | lucky women, there are no other concealable weapons | Jan 04 14:10 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 04 14:10 |
| oiaohm | I did not cover the complete list of weapons a woman can wear in plain view and not get questioned. | Jan 04 14:10 |
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| oiaohm | Like the metal chopsticks some asian ladys wear in hair. | Jan 04 14:10 |
| MinceR | how do they wield those? | Jan 04 14:11 |
| oiaohm | They can wield them the same way they eat with them. | Jan 04 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Just poke somewere important like voice box. | Jan 04 14:11 |
| MinceR | seems pretty unwieldy | Jan 04 14:12 |
| MinceR | even the knife has a better reach | Jan 04 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the knife | Jan 04 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Small blade knifes lot of thiefs like for some stupid reason have bugger all reach. | Jan 04 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes most thiefs are idiots. MinceR | Jan 04 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Were most sane people would use a decent sized knife they worry about if it will fit into there pants pocket or not. | Jan 04 14:14 |
| MinceR | doesn't mean that any person who'd attack other people have to be such idiots | Jan 04 14:14 |
| oiaohm | 90 percent of them are. | Jan 04 14:14 |
| MinceR | so it's the 10% that will cut you up because you refuse to carry weapons :> | Jan 04 14:15 |
| oiaohm | The 10 percent would have got you anyhow. MinceR | Jan 04 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Carrying weapons or not. | Jan 04 14:15 |
| MinceR | you seem to like ignoring categories | Jan 04 14:15 |
| oiaohm | The ones with brains | Jan 04 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Will most likely drug or other wise disable there target. | Jan 04 14:16 |
| oiaohm | So having a gun will basically be useless. | Jan 04 14:16 |
| oiaohm | By the time you know what they are upto you will be done basically. MinceR | Jan 04 14:16 |
| MinceR | how are they going to drug me? | Jan 04 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Spiked drinks. Note otherwise disable. Those include tazers and other fast disabling items. | Jan 04 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Normally noiseless. | Jan 04 14:18 |
| oiaohm | So not to draw attention. | Jan 04 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Ie they have thought through what they are upto. | Jan 04 14:18 |
| MinceR | i don't take drinks from random people on the street | Jan 04 14:18 |
| MinceR | also, tazer is just yet another weapon | Jan 04 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Not the 10 percent are unlikely to use a gun anyhow other than if connered. | Jan 04 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Also I don't think you would carry enough money to be worth the time of the 10 percent. MinceR | Jan 04 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes they are the ones that study there target. | Jan 04 14:20 |
| oiaohm | They truly hard to defend against. | Jan 04 14:20 |
| MinceR | i have difficulty believing that this somehow guarantees that anyone who'd attack me for whatever reason will only use knives with really short blades. | Jan 04 14:21 |
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| oiaohm | Its because you have some brains. MinceR | Jan 04 14:22 |
| oiaohm | And if you were going to attack someone you would most likely be the kind to study target an find weakness as well. | Jan 04 14:22 |
| oiaohm | And wake up a knife is going to be messy if you do cut them. | Jan 04 14:22 |
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| oiaohm | Basically if you want to get away with the crime the knive is not a good selection. MinceR | Jan 04 14:23 |
| MinceR | one could choose to use a bigger knife, though | Jan 04 14:24 |
| MinceR | say, a sword concealed in a walking stick | Jan 04 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Again why not just use a blut walking stick. | Jan 04 14:24 |
| oiaohm | In most cases it not going to put blood all over you. | Jan 04 14:24 |
| MinceR | for improved damage | Jan 04 14:24 |
| oiaohm | The sword increase risk of blood over you. | Jan 04 14:25 |
| MinceR | a walking stick seems easier to defend against | Jan 04 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Again depends on walking stick. | Jan 04 14:25 |
| MinceR | not every attacker will care about getting bloodyu | Jan 04 14:25 |
| MinceR | s/.$// | Jan 04 14:25 |
| oiaohm | If the attacker wants to get away and has thought ahead to what is going to happen. | Jan 04 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Yes will care. | Jan 04 14:25 |
| MinceR | if they attack on an impulse, they won't care | Jan 04 14:25 |
| MinceR | if they count on the apathy of observers, they won't care | Jan 04 14:26 |
| oiaohm | So impulse again brings you back to pocket size weapons. | Jan 04 14:26 |
| MinceR | (and it's a pretty good expectation) | Jan 04 14:26 |
| MinceR | nope | Jan 04 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Pure impulse normally does. | Jan 04 14:26 |
| MinceR | if someone carries bigger weapons (such as the hypothetical woman you've mentioned), they have better than pocket size weapons | Jan 04 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Impulse person normally would not think of items like purse. | Jan 04 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Those take planing/training to be able to use. | Jan 04 14:27 |
| MinceR | they can train without foreseeing that they'll want to attack me specifically. | Jan 04 14:28 |
| oiaohm | That is the funny one. | Jan 04 14:28 |
| oiaohm | It simpler to train a complex weapon responce to a defence from attack point. | Jan 04 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Then from agression point of view. | Jan 04 14:29 |
| oiaohm | To be correct most people cannot lean to use the purse one effectively in a agressive way. | Jan 04 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Yes basic beating with purse yes. Not killer blow one hit. | Jan 04 14:30 |
| oiaohm | There are basically limits on what we can learn. MinceR | Jan 04 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | We might need a mirror at one stage | Jan 04 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | Amazons? | Jan 04 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | I wanted to do that too | Jan 04 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Trips in less develped countries | Jan 04 16:11 |
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| qu1j0t3 | in reality it won't be outside the middle class comfort zone in terms of daily routine. | Jan 04 16:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | nothing wild | Jan 04 16:13 |
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| MinceR | coincidence? i think not! | Jan 04 20:03 |
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| MinceR | bacon with herpes | Jan 04 20:08 |
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