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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Jan 13 05:16 | |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/62083295 https://identi.ca/notice/62083363 https://identi.ca/notice/62083606 | Jan 13 05:24 |
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| TechrightsBot-sc | @Alexandre Oliva (lxoliva)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jan-11 00:38:05 UTC - Identi.ca: ♻ @schestowitz: Angry Birds... how about a free/libre clone of it? "Angry Gnus"? | Jan 13 05:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Luke Slater (reality)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jan-11 00:39:16 UTC - Identi.ca: @lxoliva @schestowitz Nooooo *groans* | Jan 13 05:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Patrick Niedzielski (patrickniedzielski)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jan-11 00:43:33 UTC - Identi.ca: @lxoliva @schestowitz Seems to be making a whole lot of Gnus angry with that name. :P But yeah. Free clone would be cool. | Jan 13 05:24 |
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| MinceR | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Cracking-WPA-keys-in-the-cloud-1168636.html | Jan 13 09:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Cracking WPA keys in the cloud - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 41.69 KB | Jan 13 09:25 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: [11:29] <qu1j0t3> this is a subscriber link, so maybe best not to re-publish the link | Jan 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | OK | Jan 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | I read it | Jan 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | BTW, see my latest posts as you're mentioned in them | Jan 13 11:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | :) | Jan 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | I have one more | Jan 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | 6/6 | Jan 13 11:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | " One ‘reader’ asked about the Gates Foundation view of countries in conflict and Melinda just didn’t answer the question" | Jan 13 11:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | i've said many times that Gates will never, ever be caught talking war or torture | Jan 13 11:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | you could say it's the elephant in the room | Jan 13 11:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | or, you could cast US military and Gates Foundation as the bad cop/good cop | Jan 13 11:49 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: No. Gates Foundation is a front for a company. | Jan 13 11:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Jan 13 11:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | which company? | Jan 13 11:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | Gates Foundation is a front for an agenda. | Jan 13 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Remember world war II many different companies sell to both sides. | Jan 13 11:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | happens ot be the same agenda as US mil is fronting for | Jan 13 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Companies are not countries. | Jan 13 11:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm not talking about a national agenda. | Jan 13 12:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm talking about a supranational agenda, which the US mil also serves. | Jan 13 12:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | it was long ago co-opted away from any national purpose | Jan 13 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Really Gates Foundation serves making money. | Jan 13 12:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | so which company does it front for? | Jan 13 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Companies that Gates holds major shares in. | Jan 13 12:01 |
| oiaohm | What are quite a few. | Jan 13 12:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | right. | Jan 13 12:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | a supranational agenda, collection of interests. | Jan 13 12:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | same as the military does. | Jan 13 12:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | same interests, too. | Jan 13 12:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | which is why the good cop/bad cop analogy fits rather well. | Jan 13 12:01 |
| schestowitz | [11:59] <oiaohm> Companies are not countries. | Jan 13 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Difference is Military does worry about how many they kill. | Jan 13 12:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: ha! | Jan 13 12:01 |
| schestowitz | They are the shadow cast by business | Jan 13 12:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: like rooms in a house | Jan 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | The people are employees whose tax goes towards funding plutocrats with war contracts and the likes of it | Jan 13 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Companies can kill by stealth. qu1j0t3 | Jan 13 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Like with hold drugs. | Jan 13 12:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the occupants of the house move freely around the rooms | Jan 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | [12:00] <qu1j0t3> so which company does it front for? | Jan 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Gates Foundaton is not a company | Jan 13 12:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I know | Jan 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | It's like an hedge fund | Jan 13 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Introduce GM crops that disrupt the local crops from producing. qu1j0t3 | Jan 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | So he front for a multitude of what's in the portfolio | Jan 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | *fronts | Jan 13 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes some of the crops Gates Foundation has talked about are suppected of major bad side effects. | Jan 13 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Basically if you had the choice between Gates Foundation or being over run by USA mil. | Jan 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | Side effect schmide effect :-) | Jan 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | "They are just brown people" | Jan 13 12:04 |
| oiaohm | Being over run by USA mil might give you people a better chance of living than the gates foundation. | Jan 13 12:04 |
| oiaohm | They are both bad cops qu1j0t3 in different ways. | Jan 13 12:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: yeah the good/bad thing was only rhetorical. | Jan 13 12:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: i don't mean there's literally any good whatsoever in anything GF does. | Jan 13 12:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: it's all malign as far as I can see | Jan 13 12:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | which is no surprise. | Jan 13 12:05 |
| schestowitz | Obama is also a good cop.. and Pelosi | Jan 13 12:05 |
| schestowitz | They use Gibbs (did I remember right?) to do the hard ones | Jan 13 12:06 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: Australia is a good place to talk about GM crops we have had GM cotton the longest. | Jan 13 12:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. and tas was supposed to be gm-free at one point. unfortunately it's largely us -owned | Jan 13 12:06 |
| oiaohm | We have seen the long term side effects on stuff you don't eat it. | Jan 13 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Tas is gm free for another reason. | Jan 13 12:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes! | Jan 13 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Where does most of the worlds legal optimum product come from. qu1j0t3 | Jan 13 12:07 |
| oiaohm | You want to see huge poppy fields just visit Tasmania Australia. qu1j0t3 | Jan 13 12:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | i've never seen poppies there, actually. not saying they aren't. | Jan 13 12:08 |
| oiaohm | After what we saw with GM cotton no gm is allowed in Tasmania. | Jan 13 12:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's tricky since US owns a lot of the agricultural land | Jan 13 12:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | in Tas | Jan 13 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Since could possibley disrupt the optimun production there. | Jan 13 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Growing what qu1j0t3 | Jan 13 12:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | potatoes, otehr vegetables | Jan 13 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Jan 13 12:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jan 13 12:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | via Edgell | Jan 13 12:10 |
| oiaohm | potatoes are rotation crop to poppies | Jan 13 12:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | which was bought by US corp in ~1993 | Jan 13 12:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | along with about 20 other large Aussie agro/food brands | Jan 13 12:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | in a $1.5 bln deal | Jan 13 12:10 |
| oiaohm | you just named one of the worlds largest legal optimuim producers. qu1j0t3 | Jan 13 12:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | i worked for a company doing marketing for the aust subsidiary | Jan 13 12:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: right, it's US owned since 1993 approx | Jan 13 12:11 |
| oiaohm | GM crops alter the solid so disrupt optimuim production. | Jan 13 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Remember stuff like potatoes and other vegetables in taz are not the prime crop. | Jan 13 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Its also a good way to write the profits back on the books in a way not to be questioned. | Jan 13 12:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | the main reason i bring it up is that a large area of land is involved | Jan 13 12:12 |
| oiaohm | GM crops not in taz is profit motivated. | Jan 13 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Lot of medical drugs are still produces from optimuim. | Jan 13 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Taz was choosen because its a small island and it can be fairly simply protected. | Jan 13 12:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: yes | Jan 13 12:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | Tas is very valuable land | Jan 13 12:14 |
| oiaohm | optimuin could be grown in large areas of australia without problem. | Jan 13 12:14 |
| oiaohm | But it could not be protected. | Jan 13 12:14 |
| oiaohm | Tas value is how much it can be protected. | Jan 13 12:15 |
| oiaohm | There was a stuff up here at one point of not steralised optimuin poppy seads been sold to be used by bakers in this country. | Jan 13 12:16 |
| oiaohm | As far as I know there is no legal ground in USA tertorory to grow optimuim poppy. Be aware after its processed for illegal drug use its basically useless to produce a whole range of drugs. | Jan 13 12:21 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/01/13/gates-foundation-conflicts-of-interest/ | Jan 13 12:27 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Gates Foundation Uses Money to Increase Its Control | Techrights .::. Size~: 95.24 KB | Jan 13 12:27 |
| oiaohm | http://identi.ca/notice/62101002 I don't know of this is good or bad | Jan 13 13:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Carlo Piana (carlopiana)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jan-11 06:45:11 UTC - Identi.ca: Good news of the morning, Apple has complied w/ my fheroes2 cease&desist, removed app infringing its GPL2 license :-) | Jan 13 13:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/jan/06/sniffing-women-tears-sexual-desire | Jan 13 15:17 |
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| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Sniffing women's tears dampens sexual desire in men, study suggests | Science | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 205.65 KB | Jan 13 15:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/author-questioned-for-allegedly-smuggling-palestinians-into-israel-for-day-of-fun-1.315032 http://mondoweiss.net/2010/06/where-kindness-is-a-crime.html | Jan 13 15:20 |
| schestowitz | via RMS | Jan 13 15:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Author questioned for allegedly smuggling Palestinians into Israel for day of fun - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News .::. Size~: 79.04 KB | Jan 13 15:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Where Kindness Is A Crime .::. Size~: 131.58 KB | Jan 13 15:20 |
| schestowitz | "WikiLeaks: Julian Assange 'faces execution or Guantánamo detention'" | Jan 13 15:20 |
| schestowitz | "[CONFIDENTIAL] Seems BSA has lost (at least) three members. Big ones." | Jan 13 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | le iPad: A Linux Adm | Jan 13 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Jan 13 17:38 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7937 | Jan 13 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Apple iPad: A Linux Administrator’s New Assistant | Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 47.18 KB | Jan 13 17:39 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jan 13 20:46 |
| schestowitz | o/ | Jan 13 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Jan 13 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: David Neilson may like Mono, and used to try and get it in Fedora yes, and now does whatever with Ubuntu yes | Jan 13 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Jan 13 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | did you read the stuff about him leaving Fedora at all? | Jan 13 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | what he had to say on his blog? | Jan 13 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: anyway I thought that was an ineresting read, and so on | Jan 13 20:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovici/2011/01/13/bloombergs-new-conflict-of-interest/ | Jan 13 21:14 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Bloomberg’s New Conflict Of Interest? - Jeff Bercovici - Mixed Media - Forbes .::. Size~: 104.87 KB | Jan 13 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, it's sickening to see how press/wealth are merged | Jan 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Like Rupert | Jan 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Only religious thugs love blasphemy laws http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jan/09/nick-cohen-blasphemy-laws-inhuman | Jan 13 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Only religious thugs love blasphemy laws | Nick Cohen | Comment is free | The Observer .::. Size~: 229.5 KB | Jan 13 22:23 |
| schestowitz | alsohttps://identi.ca/notice/62152404 | Jan 13 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 13-Jan-11 22:11:50 UTC - Identi.ca: Hungary's democratic 'dictator in the making' takes centre stage in Europe http://bit.ly/frjJeG http://bit.ly/h4RWuO #orban #tyranny #hu | Jan 13 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Freedom House: Proposed Hungarian Media Law Would Threaten Freedom .::. Size~: 27.76 KB | Jan 13 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Hungary's democratic 'dictator in the making' takes centre stage in Europe | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 88.77 KB | Jan 13 22:24 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i doubt that's really "inhuman" (as in "alien to humans") | Jan 13 22:32 |
| MinceR | it's the sort of shit this society keeps doing all the time | Jan 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Seems like intl' issues | Jan 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | All govt. crack down, using other nations as precursor/excuse | Jan 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | There's also a rise in rioters as China takes over | Jan 13 22:36 |
| MinceR | also, "religion" turned out to be a popular excuse for violating the freedom of just about anyone | Jan 13 22:36 |
| MinceR | " | Jan 13 22:36 |
| MinceR | "but my religion tells me they must do what i say it does!" | Jan 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Let's make techrights a religion ;-) | Jan 13 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Register it as one, like chiros wanted to do, to silence opposition ;-) | Jan 13 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | I am a bit | Jan 13 22:39 |
| MinceR | not a good idea -- religions aren't based on facts :> | Jan 13 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | disaointed with my older brother right now | Jan 13 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | really | Jan 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Let's also turn gnu into religion | Jan 13 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | disapointed above | Jan 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | And say, "you're offending my religion (gnu toolchain)" | Jan 13 22:39 |
| MinceR | i'd rather not go there | Jan 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | let's make MinceR a God | Jan 13 22:39 |
| MinceR | though a "religion" could be started on its own | Jan 13 22:39 |
| MinceR | no need to make me, i already am | Jan 13 22:39 |
| schestowitz | If insulted, we'll complain to the UN | Jan 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what do you wield? | Jan 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | It's like X-men | Jan 13 22:40 |
| MinceR | whatever i feel like | Jan 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8xeBzMLPKM | Jan 13 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | Captain diillusion | Jan 13 22:51 |
| schestowitz | *dis | Jan 13 22:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwB3o5L5XY0 | Jan 13 22:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Giffords Shot! Palin Responsible? .::. Size~: 156.22 KB | Jan 13 22:57 |
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