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qu1j0t3sebsebseb: why?Jan 14 00:06
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: all that time being nagged to sort his lap top out, and I doJan 14 00:08
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: and well he doesn't even mention on Facebook he has it back or something, like oh cool its backJan 14 00:09
sebsebsebI could  have then replied to something like that, and been like, yeah thanks to your brotherJan 14 00:09
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: well he doesn't really care much about computers so yeahJan 14 00:09
sebsebseband also for that reason I think the distro I put on is a good one, Linux Mint 9 based on Ubuntu 10.04 so yep LTS as wellJan 14 00:09
sebsebseband a distro for people who don't really care much about computers reallyJan 14 00:10
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: plus a bit more user friendly over UbuntuJan 14 00:10
qu1j0t3so he has no troubles with it?Jan 14 01:12
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/aletorto/status/25706775827189760Jan 14 05:31
TechrightsBot-sc@aletorto: RT @schestowitz: The US army definition of "terrorism" strictly requires the "use of force". Was #Assange forceful? #wikileaksJan 14 05:31
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schestowitz"I may recommend @ave as one of the most trustful members of Romanian GNU/Linux community - Red Hat trainer, Debian user, etc."Jan 14 13:18
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schestowitzre " ♻ @jwildeboer Apple history in one dent/tweet: From "think different" via "think like us" to "let us think for you" - Freedom detoriation..." "@schestowitz @jwildeboer think different is a metaphor for the opposite" https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/25904821471023104Jan 14 14:26
TechrightsBot-sc@ender2070: @schestowitz @jwildeboer think different is a metaphor for the oppositeJan 14 14:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jimbobbysez/status/25905231921418240Jan 14 14:26
TechrightsBot-sc@jimbobbysez: #FollowFriday #FF Thx for RTs @democracycanada @marlenewells @tidewaters @thehilltimes @greatgodfrey @schestowitz  (via @ffhelper)Jan 14 14:26
schestowitzqu1j0t3: brandon still defends the whole "no global warming" thing..Jan 14 14:28
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ender2070/status/25905244231704576Jan 14 14:28
TechrightsBot-sc@ender2070: @schestowitz vs libs/greenpeace using bank funding to physically threaten critical thinkers and commit terrorism?Jan 14 14:28
schestowitzre "Here is what happens when Tea "don't retreat, instead RELOAD" Party uses Big Oil funding to physically threaten #science http://is.gd/xv25zr"Jan 14 14:28
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Even now, ClimateDepot’s Marc Morano reiterates his call for a “hostile reaction” to climate scientists «  Climate Progress .::. Size~: 90.44 KBJan 14 14:28
schestowitzAnd qu1j0t3: the article that quotes you has just been published in SpanishJan 14 14:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/swadeshine/status/25905547010117632Jan 14 14:29
TechrightsBot-sc@swadeshine: @schestowitz Assange: #wikileaks to speed release of leaked docs > http://goo.gl/jicAxJan 14 14:29
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: World Wide Web - Assange: WikiLeaks To Speed Release of Leaked Docs .::. Size~: 54.63 KBJan 14 14:29
qu1j0t3schestowitz: :)Jan 14 14:38
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yeah 'global warming' is a terrible labelJan 14 14:38
qu1j0t3schestowitz: every day we see the effects of climate change in More EXTREME climate, hot, cold, regardlessJan 14 14:39
qu1j0t3exactly as predictedJan 14 14:39
qu1j0t3i work with ppl who continue to say things like "there's snow in Georgia (in fact, every US state but one) , where's your global warming, hippies"Jan 14 14:39
*qu1j0t3 sighsJan 14 14:40
qu1j0t3they read headlines but no text, apaprently.Jan 14 14:40
qu1j0t3FOX Science!Jan 14 14:40
schestowitzIt's not amusing at allJan 14 14:43
schestowitzBut we're cynical about itJan 14 14:43
schestowitzSome people think Fox is newsJan 14 14:43
schestowitzFrankly, I switch off any mass broadcast device because I know who pays for the serviceJan 14 14:43
schestowitzSometimes I leave that on for amusmentJan 14 14:44
schestowitzAnd to practice critical thinking, or to explain someone around me what they actually did to launder each itemJan 14 14:44
schestowitzTV/radio/paper...Jan 14 14:44
schestowitzLie by omission is most commonJan 14 14:44
schestowitzSadly, while some people immediately agree with me on it (like how editors choose to magnify some subjects rather than others), there are those who simply refuse to believe that are being manipulated. It scares them for the same reason religion people defend religion in the face of most obvious truismsJan 14 14:46
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yes i agree re commercial media, i believe tv has no place in public space, periodJan 14 14:54
qu1j0t3schestowitz: and newspapers, well, hahahahahaJan 14 14:54
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you realise that foreign papers are 1) hard to find and 2) specially edited for the USJan 14 14:54
qu1j0t3"US Edition", if you can find them at allJan 14 14:54
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schestowitz[14:54] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: and newspapers, well, hahahahahaJan 14 14:55
schestowitzThey hand they out for free in Manchester and the London tubesJan 14 14:55
schestowitz"Free"Jan 14 14:55
qu1j0t3schestowitz: oh, i know.Jan 14 14:55
schestowitz"free indoctrination"Jan 14 14:55
schestowitzFree schoolsJan 14 14:55
qu1j0t3schestowitz: i've long watched that phenomenon.Jan 14 14:55
schestowitzThe govt. will pay for it...Jan 14 14:55
qu1j0t3schestowitz: those free papers are usually Murdoch ownedJan 14 14:55
schestowitzThey'll teach the kids national 'history', bible...Jan 14 14:56
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it started  ~ 10 yrs ago in my hometownJan 14 14:56
qu1j0t3schestowitz: note, there's typicall only ONE paper. what really offended me is that they got pvement space for the 'free' dispensers ALL OVER THE CITY.Jan 14 14:56
qu1j0t3un. believeable.Jan 14 14:56
qu1j0t3same in CanadaJan 14 14:56
qu1j0t3free subway paperJan 14 14:56
qu1j0t3free indoctrinationJan 14 14:57
qu1j0t3'here, have a dose, first hit is free'Jan 14 14:57
qu1j0t3i used to foam at the mouth when i first realised what ws going on, this was a bit before iraq invasionJan 14 14:57
schestowitzIt's not like that...Jan 14 14:57
schestowitz[14:57] <qu1j0t3> 'here, have a dose, first hit is free'Jan 14 14:57
schestowitzThey don't need you to sub'Jan 14 14:57
qu1j0t3first and every hit is free, i know.Jan 14 14:58
schestowitzHehJan 14 14:58
schestowitzSub at the subJan 14 14:58
schestowitzThis one is not a paper with 'premium' 'version;'Jan 14 14:58
schestowitzeditionJan 14 14:58
qu1j0t3i knowJan 14 14:58
schestowitzqu1j0t3: fed on the way to work on the trainJan 14 14:58
qu1j0t3it horrifies me that ppl can't see what's going onJan 14 14:58
schestowitz45 minutes to nuclear impact on Manc?!Jan 14 14:58
schestowitzIIRC the lump of reports about it was seeded in Manc, infamouslyJan 14 14:59
qu1j0t3like, hello, ONE paper, with subsidised space all over the city, given to EVERY commuter,... what could possibly be wrong with thi spicture?Jan 14 14:59
schestowitzM.E.N. maybeJan 14 14:59
qu1j0t3schestowitz: YES!Jan 14 14:59
qu1j0t3this is exactly how these lies are injectedJan 14 14:59
schestowitzThen they cite itJan 14 14:59
qu1j0t3ther's not even a venue to criciticse pulp mediaJan 14 14:59
schestowitzAnd you need to check where it comes fromJan 14 14:59
qu1j0t3"I read it on the Metro paper."Jan 14 14:59
schestowitzMet RAWJan 14 15:00
qu1j0t3they can write anything, nobody criticises it, because the "intelligentisa" are already above it.Jan 14 15:00
qu1j0t3they don't realise that this doesn't matter if 90% of the population accepts it as factJan 14 15:00
qu1j0t3it's how Fox won as wellJan 14 15:00
qu1j0t3"smart liberals" don't watch Fox. so it crept up. won the 90% of ignorant  uneducated lumpsJan 14 15:00
qu1j0t3and STILL people don't see parallels to NSDPJan 14 15:01
qu1j0t3they believe -anything-Jan 14 15:01
qu1j0t3tell them Muslims are the problemJan 14 15:01
qu1j0t3they still believe itJan 14 15:01
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qu1j0t3WMDs.Jan 14 15:02
qu1j0t3Big Lie.Jan 14 15:02
qu1j0t3Bush/Rove/FleischerJan 14 15:02
qu1j0t3USA über allesJan 14 15:02
schestowitzIt's a convenient parallel realityJan 14 15:02
schestowitzWhere the class war does not existJan 14 15:03
schestowitzAnd where the rich sustain the countryJan 14 15:03
qu1j0t3exactlyJan 14 15:03
qu1j0t3and don't examine too closely how the rich is making a buckJan 14 15:03
schestowitzWhile "outside enemies" are *everyone's* 'target' (/me thinks Palin)Jan 14 15:03
qu1j0t3the sausage factoryJan 14 15:03
schestowitzsleenJan 14 15:03
schestowitzspleenJan 14 15:03
qu1j0t3Shopping as Recreation. yes, it's a dual with TV.Jan 14 15:04
qu1j0t3TV tells you to go to the Mall. Then you come home and relax with some TV.Jan 14 15:04
qu1j0t3this is how nearly a billion people live.Jan 14 15:04
schestowitzHeheJan 14 15:07
schestowitzSelf-serving thereJan 14 15:07
schestowitzTV says you need to watch TVJan 14 15:07
*schestowitz dies of age in recursionJan 14 15:07
schestowitzI'll elaborate on the shopping thingJan 14 15:08
qu1j0t3yes, ppl die of old age in that recursionJan 14 15:09
qu1j0t3they're not supposed to exit the loopJan 14 15:09
qu1j0t3if you exit, you are a radical, a freak, a weirdo, a hippie, an extremist, a t*rr*r*stJan 14 15:09
schestowitzOh cool: "Auf die Abwanderungsbewegung war zunächst das Blog Techrights durch einen Vergleich der aktuellen Mitgliederliste mit der von 2008 aufmerksam geworden. "Jan 14 15:10
schestowitzhttp://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/IT-Groessen-kehren-Business-Software-Alliance-den-Ruecken-1169911.htmlJan 14 15:10
qu1j0t3threatening corporationsJan 14 15:10
TechrightsBot-scTitle: heise online - IT-Größen kehren Business Software Alliance den Rücken .::. Size~: 61.33 KBJan 14 15:10
schestowitzI'm in the German news...Jan 14 15:10
schestowitzqu1j0t3: or "Wewird"Jan 14 15:10
schestowitzOh wait..Jan 14 15:10
qu1j0t3schestowitz: i think i'm going to refer to t*rr*r*st as SUSTADOR from now on, to emphasise the power of label-wordsJan 14 15:10
schestowitzYou said weirdoJan 14 15:11
qu1j0t3becasue SUSTADOR means nothing to EnflishJan 14 15:11
qu1j0t3gl*Jan 14 15:11
schestowitzNot normal is anotherJan 14 15:11
qu1j0t3yes, abnormalJan 14 15:11
qu1j0t3non-conformingJan 14 15:11
schestowitzWhen I explain this to people it goes something like thisJan 14 15:11
qu1j0t3a difficult caeJan 14 15:11
schestowitzAverage is normalJan 14 15:11
qu1j0t3caseJan 14 15:11
qu1j0t3needs treatmentJan 14 15:11
schestowitzNot strictlyJan 14 15:11
qu1j0t3correctionJan 14 15:11
schestowitzAnd people have many parametersJan 14 15:11
schestowitzBehavioural, appearance, etc.Jan 14 15:11
schestowitzSo "not normal" means no averageJan 14 15:11
schestowitzIt can be better than averageJan 14 15:11
schestowitzAnd it depend which parameters are fine-tunedJan 14 15:12
schestowitzSchools and mass media adjust those parametersJan 14 15:12
qu1j0t3yesJan 14 15:12
schestowitzSo since kindergarden you generally know what to do and not what to doJan 14 15:12
schestowitzE.g. don't yell in classJan 14 15:12
schestowitzBTW...Jan 14 15:12
schestowitzMy mother used to tell me that when I was about 6 a teacher told her in a postive way that I was "non-conformist"Jan 14 15:13
schestowitzqu1j0t3: anyway, you must show your 'abnormality'Jan 14 15:14
schestowitzIt's the only way to enlighten other peopleJan 14 15:14
schestowitzThey won't serve it to themselves, it intimidates themJan 14 15:14
schestowitzYou have to intrude their cocoon sometimes, then they get curious and read the read for themselvesJan 14 15:14
schestowitzSome truths --polite put -- cause a "shock effect" to some people if they are not used to hearing it. They develop defences from watching other sources that relieve them and sometimes provide an escape from this "conflicting" new informationJan 14 15:15
schestowitzAs long as you're not a radio with 24/7 access to many minds, you're disadvantagedJan 14 15:16
qu1j0t3I do that, within limits.Jan 14 15:17
qu1j0t3the people i've been living around are completely conforming, thought, action, everythingJan 14 15:17
qu1j0t3they can only take a minimum of challengeJan 14 15:17
qu1j0t3close to zeroJan 14 15:17
qu1j0t3any challenge really has to be revolutionary: all or nothingJan 14 15:17
qu1j0t3unplug the tvJan 14 15:17
qu1j0t3"From now on you are going to live."Jan 14 15:18
qu1j0t3not artificial respiration, iron lung for the brainJan 14 15:18
qu1j0t3concealing a terminal case of boredomJan 14 15:18
qu1j0t3did the film V address this?Jan 14 15:18
qu1j0t3the film Brazil certainly did.Jan 14 15:18
qu1j0t3it was one long sarcastic monologue on the banal evils of conformityJan 14 15:19
schestowitzI didn't waytch VJan 14 15:19
schestowitzI almost did when I was in Miami and it was newJan 14 15:19
qu1j0t3i did, but i don't recall it in enough detail.Jan 14 15:19
schestowitzIs it any good?Jan 14 15:19
qu1j0t3i'm suspicious of it.Jan 14 15:19
schestowitzI associate it with a relative of mine who was rebellious and loved itJan 14 15:20
qu1j0t3i need to rewatch critically.Jan 14 15:20
schestowitzHe also sped in his car with me, which pissed me offJan 14 15:20
qu1j0t3yeah, but rebellion is only the 1st order take on VJan 14 15:20
qu1j0t3it's superficially about rebellion, i haven't really concluded my thoughts on itJan 14 15:20
qu1j0t3schestowitz: sighJan 14 15:20
qu1j0t3schestowitz: that pisses me off tooJan 14 15:20
qu1j0t3schestowitz: the other day my fatherinlaw was trying to use his phone while driving, nearly ran us off the roadJan 14 15:21
qu1j0t3schestowitz: had to tell my wife to please make sure he doesn't do thatJan 14 15:21
schestowitzYou should not tell them off for itJan 14 15:21
qu1j0t3i didn't.Jan 14 15:21
schestowitz"Everyone is doing it"Jan 14 15:21
qu1j0t3i told my wifeJan 14 15:21
schestowitzIt's you who's the problemJan 14 15:22
qu1j0t3heheJan 14 15:22
qu1j0t3not sureJan 14 15:22
schestowitzTexting I think is like 30 times more likely yo lead to accidentJan 14 15:22
qu1j0t3i think it was just thoughtlessness on his partJan 14 15:22
qu1j0t3they are childlikeJan 14 15:22
schestowitzI remember some COuric show about itJan 14 15:22
schestowitz"textng while driving can turn an LOL into a big OMG"Jan 14 15:22
schestowitzEven pedestrians should watch out nowJan 14 15:23
schestowitzWith texting, the cars go in all sorts of directionJan 14 15:23
schestowitzLike falling sleep at the wheelJan 14 15:23
schestowitzI tell people to switch off the phone before they start drivingJan 14 15:23
schestowitzI don't carry a phone anymoreJan 14 15:23
schestowitzSo when I drive it's not a factorJan 14 15:24
schestowitzCars are not an officeJan 14 15:24
schestowitzThey are a one-tonne machine for moving a person from place to placeJan 14 15:24
schestowitzThat's why cars don't have kitchens yetJan 14 15:24
schestowitzSome have TVs, sadlyJan 14 15:24
schestowitzaudio-visual indoc. while you drive :-)Jan 14 15:24
schestowitzTo enhance the radio signalJan 14 15:25
schestowitzSexy people..... brave leaders... fear of outsiders... scandals that don't matter to you...Jan 14 15:25
qu1j0t3:)Jan 14 15:26
qu1j0t3schestowitz | Cars are not an office <-- YES! I've long been fighting this mixing of incompatible ideas.Jan 14 15:26
qu1j0t3ditto airplanesJan 14 15:27
qu1j0t3ditto movie theatresJan 14 15:27
qu1j0t3they're not fucking restaurantsJan 14 15:27
qu1j0t3i'm there to see a movie, not eatJan 14 15:27
qu1j0t3sighJan 14 15:27
schestowitzPlanes with gymsJan 14 15:27
schestowitzNot cargoJan 14 15:27
qu1j0t3"oh, but it's convenient! Why should your brain receive Crap and not your stomach? have a multidimensional crap filled experience!"Jan 14 15:28
schestowitzWireless I understandJan 14 15:28
schestowitzDoesn't take up much space to have wifi and widens reach for some people in virtual spaceJan 14 15:28
schestowitzThe "legroom" class game sickens meJan 14 15:28
qu1j0t3LOLJan 14 15:28
schestowitzWhen people stare and judge each other like friggin' chickens in a coopJan 14 15:28
schestowitzHey...Jan 14 15:28
schestowitzToday I went outJan 14 15:28
schestowitzOut OUTJan 14 15:28
schestowitzI went to natureJan 14 15:28
schestowitzI actually bruised myself a lotJan 14 15:29
schestowitzbut I have vast space around meJan 14 15:29
schestowitzNow, THAT'S leg roomJan 14 15:29
schestowitzI fell on some barb wireJan 14 15:29
schestowitzMy whole fist bladJan 14 15:29
schestowitz*bladJan 14 15:29
schestowitz*bledJan 14 15:29
MinceRi like having a radio/music player in my carJan 14 15:29
schestowitzThe music does all the work :-)Jan 14 15:30
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*schestowitz listens to music while on IRCJan 14 15:30
*schestowitz does not write SMS while trying this into IRCJan 14 15:30
schestowitz*typingJan 14 15:30
schestowitzo'dearJan 14 15:30
schestowitzmonodev:Jan 14 15:30
*qu1j0t3 goes 2 do some workJan 14 15:31
monodevschestowitz: yesJan 14 15:31
schestowitzThere are some trolls who came out of the woodshed today... https://identi.ca/notice/62201258Jan 14 15:31
TechrightsBot-sc@rclayton's status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 15:12:06 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz likely they got sick of your trolling and general douchebaggeryJan 14 15:31
schestowitzNo activity from these accounts until Mono is under fireJan 14 15:31
schestowitzqu1j0t3: dishes?Jan 14 15:31
schestowitzThat's workJan 14 15:31
schestowitzMaybe you mean work "WORK"Jan 14 15:31
schestowitzWhich today is a shorthand name for "Servicing a mortgage" ;-)Jan 14 15:32
monodevschestowitz: for your consumption - http://monodev.tumblr.com/post/2743278056/techright-remnant-monoJan 14 15:32
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Discussing CLI | Techrights thinks Remnant was a mono apologist .::. Size~: 15.46 KBJan 14 15:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/25937460773003264Jan 14 15:33
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Despite all reservations, I congratulate you on having discovered this. Research is more quoteworthy than conspiracy theories.Jan 14 15:33
monodevschestowitz: also some more info http://monodev.tumblr.com/post/2732346118/mono-apps-native-apps-performanceJan 14 15:35
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Discussing CLI | Are mono applications always slower than native apps? .::. Size~: 17.8 KBJan 14 15:35
monodevschestowitz: you can ask me anything related to mono. esp technical is you wantJan 14 15:35
qu1j0t3schestowitz: oh, right, yes the euphemistic workJan 14 15:35
qu1j0t3schestowitz: funding my wife's mall tripsJan 14 15:35
schestowitzmonodev: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000584.htmlJan 14 15:35
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  Mono Position Statement     .::. Size~: 4.91 KBJan 14 15:35
schestowitzqu1j0t3: mall trips is shoppingJan 14 15:35
qu1j0t3I know.Jan 14 15:35
monodevmonodev: that's pretty much old announcementJan 14 15:35
schestowitzmall is orgasm for that typeJan 14 15:36
monodeveveryone knows about itJan 14 15:36
monodevschestowitz:Jan 14 15:36
schestowitzIf shopping is the next sex... then malls... It's like  an orgyJan 14 15:36
schestowitzmonodev: my main point was no ScottJan 14 15:36
schestowitzIt was 'sidal'Jan 14 15:37
schestowitzAnd someone whom I saw bringing this up I disagree withJan 14 15:37
schestowitzThe problem that's greater was mentioned in my postJan 14 15:37
schestowitzAnd it's not Scott James RemnantJan 14 15:37
monodevwell scott can be sparedJan 14 15:37
monodevhe is more info those low level stuffJan 14 15:37
schestowitzHe's a Debian guy working close to kernel layerJan 14 15:38
monodevyesJan 14 15:38
MinceRthat name sounds a lot like "whatever was left of Scott James"Jan 14 15:38
monodevhe can have his view on mono btwJan 14 15:38
schestowitzbeat me to it..Jan 14 15:38
schestowitzMinceR: I don't get the referenceJan 14 15:38
monodevnor meJan 14 15:38
MinceRit's not a reference, just the meaning of the word "remnant" :)Jan 14 15:38
monodevlolJan 14 15:39
monodevpeople have even weirder names. probably in this local or family or culture, it means something goodJan 14 15:39
schestowitzHereditary remnantJan 14 15:40
alkethiJan 14 15:42
qu1j0t3MinceR: yeah it's a fairly unusual name. i notice that in the etymology, it has a christian meaning.Jan 14 15:42
schestowitzLOL: https://identi.ca/notice/62202606Jan 14 15:42
TechrightsBot-sc@rclayton's status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 15:36:28 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz yes, it means trolls like you aren't worth their time.Jan 14 15:42
MinceRicJan 14 15:43
qu1j0t3MinceR: which seems likely to be the surname's connectionJan 14 15:43
schestowitzThis account is like a Mono droneJan 14 15:43
schestowitzOnly active as Mono damage control once in x months, curses and attacks mostly meJan 14 15:43
qu1j0t3MinceR: 'Remnant' -- those who remain/ will be saved / after the 2nd comingJan 14 15:43
schestowitzOr tried to incite my friends against ,eJan 14 15:43
schestowitz*meJan 14 15:43
MinceRschestowitz: he disproves his own statement by taking the time anywayJan 14 15:43
MinceRqu1j0t3: icJan 14 15:43
schestowitzThat's the "Mono bullying" I sometimes refer toJan 14 15:43
schestowitzqu1j0t3: remnant sounds OKJan 14 15:44
schestowitzNeve though of it as name that would have you abused at schoolsJan 14 15:44
schestowitzKids like to pick on names that sound like bodypartsJan 14 15:44
qu1j0t3it's pretty funny in the context of mono. you could argue that Señor MVP is trying to stay in God's good graces so that after the rapture, when all infidels are sent to hell, he will be spared, as a quisling/collaborator.Jan 14 15:45
schestowitzHeheJan 14 15:45
schestowitzYeah, well..Jan 14 15:45
monodevif Scott told his orientation during school days, he would have been outcasted by our societyJan 14 15:45
*qu1j0t3 gigglesJan 14 15:45
schestowitzSeñor MVP also believes in sky daddyJan 14 15:45
qu1j0t3schestowitz: remnant is quite a nice word. i wasn't aware of the christian meaning until just now.Jan 14 15:45
MinceRqu1j0t3: lolJan 14 15:45
qu1j0t3schestowitz: Sky daddy? Rupe?Jan 14 15:45
schestowitz"OH YOU!!! Shame on you.... blasphemous... criticising for religion!"Jan 14 15:45
MinceRqu1j0t3: the old man in the skyJan 14 15:46
qu1j0t3MinceR: yeah I know. also: RupeJan 14 15:46
qu1j0t3MinceR: daddy of SkyJan 14 15:46
schestowitzYou can mock someone's football team or "Elvis is alive" insistence, but not in total lunacy...Jan 14 15:46
MinceRwho tells you you have free will but kicks your ass if you don't do as he says, supposedlyJan 14 15:46
MinceRi don't know who "Rupe" is, thoughJan 14 15:46
qu1j0t3schestowitz: mock Chelsea at thy peril!Jan 14 15:46
qu1j0t3MinceR: Rupert MurdochJan 14 15:46
MinceRoh.Jan 14 15:46
MinceRgot it now.Jan 14 15:46
schestowitz[15:45] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: Sky daddy? Rupe?Jan 14 15:47
schestowitzHeheJan 14 15:47
schestowitzWhat's the diff. between Larry Ellison and God?Jan 14 15:47
qu1j0t3MinceR: prety much the earthly god, spreading the gospelJan 14 15:47
qu1j0t3schestowitz: i know.Jan 14 15:47
MinceRschestowitz: i'm not larry ellison ;)Jan 14 15:47
schestowitzGood for you!Jan 14 15:47
schestowitzGod for you!Jan 14 15:47
schestowitzNo SOUP for you!Jan 14 15:47
MinceRlolJan 14 15:47
qu1j0t3hot buttered godJan 14 15:47
MinceRyumJan 14 15:48
qu1j0t3god gone wildJan 14 15:48
schestowitzIt can give you fartsJan 14 15:48
qu1j0t3canned dogmaJan 14 15:48
schestowitzCause you know what they say... it's just a load of airJan 14 15:48
MinceRbut can it give me divine ranks?Jan 14 15:48
qu1j0t3spray-on ethicsJan 14 15:48
qu1j0t3schestowitz: hut it's holy air!Jan 14 15:49
qu1j0t3schestowitz: but*Jan 14 15:49
schestowitzYo Dawg! I herd you can turn break into the flesh of God's child. Gimme some of dat, homieJan 14 15:49
schestowitz*breadJan 14 15:49
MinceRlolJan 14 15:49
qu1j0t3schestowitz: breathe the holy air! certified to have been blown out of Gates' ass!Jan 14 15:49
schestowitz[15:48] <qu1j0t3> canned dogmaJan 14 15:49
MinceRlolJan 14 15:49
schestowitzNot in CHina's menu during olympics?Jan 14 15:49
qu1j0t3lolJan 14 15:49
MinceRthe ass GatesJan 14 15:49
qu1j0t3breathe! breathe in the air! [offer void in Beijing and most chinese cities]Jan 14 15:50
*qu1j0t3 procratsinates mall-funding workJan 14 15:50
schestowitzqu1j0t3: They suffer pollution so that we don't have toJan 14 15:50
qu1j0t3schestowitz: um, well.Jan 14 15:50
schestowitz"It's the American way" (well, justa  pun)Jan 14 15:50
schestowitzNot just AMERICAN< OBVCIOUSLY>>> OOOPS CAPS FAILJan 14 15:51
schestowitz[15:50] * qu1j0t3 procratsinates mall-funding workJan 14 15:51
schestowitzYou're a bd citizensJan 14 15:51
schestowitzMalls don't existJan 14 15:51
schestowitzThey are a grid of girdersJan 14 15:51
schestowitzTo facilitate "workers"Jan 14 15:51
schestowitzNot those who make stuffJan 14 15:51
schestowitzThe stuff is made in ChinaJan 14 15:51
qu1j0t3yes.Jan 14 15:51
schestowitzThese people just reposition itemsJan 14 15:51
schestowitzThey don't combine themJan 14 15:52
schestowitzThe most they can combine is ice cream and combJan 14 15:52
schestowitzAnd...Jan 14 15:52
schestowitzMost importantly..Jan 14 15:52
schestowitzThe function of malls is to move moneyJan 14 15:52
schestowitzEvery transaction feeds the economyJan 14 15:52
schestowitzMasterCard, Visa, interest rates, loans, and of course you must 'make' >2 kids to ensure the national debt can be repaid by them (or their children.. or...)Jan 14 15:53
schestowitzMalls keep society working.... today.Jan 14 15:53
MinceRor just cover the planet in bodies and let everything dieJan 14 15:53
schestowitzNothing would dieJan 14 15:54
schestowitzRemember we feed germsJan 14 15:54
schestowitzBIllions of billions of hemJan 14 15:54
schestowitz*themJan 14 15:54
schestowitzEven now...Jan 14 15:54
schestowitzThe planet is apathetic to lifeJan 14 15:54
schestowitzIt's a ball of rock that spinsJan 14 15:54
MinceRhumans will eat all the plants and animalsJan 14 15:54
schestowitzBut we make life miserable to a lot of peopleJan 14 15:54
MinceRmaybe they'll let the germs live on...Jan 14 15:54
schestowitzNot just 90% of the worldJan 14 15:54
schestowitzThe other 10% (West) is also one where fragmentation is such that 90% (the other 9%) are servicing someone elseJan 14 15:55
schestowitzIt was simpler when civilisation was villagesJan 14 15:55
schestowitzWith rolesJan 14 15:55
schestowitzartsJan 14 15:55
schestowitzBefore debtJan 14 15:55
schestowitzCurrency being commodityJan 14 15:56
schestowitzAnd the most pollution you could induce was some horse fartJan 14 15:56
schestowitzSadly, in a way, we made life miserable to animalsJan 14 15:56
schestowitz[what's left of them]Jan 14 15:56
MinceRnot entirely trueJan 14 15:56
schestowitzBut more importantly, it worries me that people ignore the mere existence of 90% of peopleJan 14 15:57
schestowitzIt's easier to cast 20% of them "terrorists"Jan 14 15:57
MinceRa lot more labor was necessary, a lot less entertainment was possibleJan 14 15:57
MinceRpeople knew a lot less, they were mostly uneducateJan 14 15:57
MinceRdJan 14 15:57
MinceRpeople in general had even less power and freedom than todayJan 14 15:57
MinceRand there were also cow farts, with methaneJan 14 15:57
schestowitzBut it was probably better a while backJan 14 15:57
MinceRplus a lot of trees were killedJan 14 15:57
schestowitzMaybe it depends whereJan 14 15:57
schestowitzMybe in Asia they get bettere eduatedJan 14 15:58
schestowitzI hear CHinese are big acers in schools nowJan 14 15:58
schestowitzAnd in the West, I'm not so sure...Jan 14 15:58
schestowitz[15:57] <MinceR> plus a lot of trees were killedJan 14 15:58
schestowitzPer capitaJan 14 15:58
MinceRso koreans are big samsungs in schools then? :>Jan 14 15:58
MinceRprobably not just per capitaJan 14 15:58
schestowitzSam's Song?Jan 14 15:58
MinceRdunno thatJan 14 15:59
schestowitzWatzitgotodoowidit>?Jan 14 15:59
schestowitzSam's Song..Jan 14 15:59
schestowitzLet me find it...Jan 14 15:59
MinceRi've heard that the great plains in hungary used to be forestsJan 14 15:59
schestowitz!google youtube sam's songJan 14 15:59
TechrightsBot-sc[1] - YouTube - Sam's Song | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DdqKkn8wExIQJan 14 15:59
TechrightsBot-sc[2] - YouTube - Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jnr - Sam's Song | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DKjVY7ybME-sJan 14 15:59
TechrightsBot-sc[3] - YouTube - The SAM Song - Athenrye | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dplo_01uQUsgJan 14 15:59
TechrightsBot-sc[4] - YouTube - sixTnine: Sam's Song | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVvY5NJLcx5UJan 14 15:59
schestowitzMinceR: a lot of Eastern Europe wasJan 14 15:59
schestowitzBut find out *when* it was chopped off to become lumberJan 14 16:00
MinceRthey said it was the middle agesJan 14 16:00
schestowitzMaybe the church needed more wood to burn witchesJan 14 16:00
MinceRmore likely it was one of the few energy sources they knew how to useJan 14 16:01
MinceRand how to getJan 14 16:01
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schestowitzthe other ones drive the industrial revolution later onJan 14 16:06
schestowitzBut with it came a huge growth in human populationJan 14 16:07
schestowitzSo the more power you have (energy I mean), the more population you permit to expandJan 14 16:07
schestowitzIt's like putting germs in a Petri dishJan 14 16:07
MinceRsure, same with foodJan 14 16:08
MinceRi prefer birth control (and population control) to medieval squalorJan 14 16:08
schestowitz"OH, you genocider!"Jan 14 16:12
qu1j0t3in another chan here, someone was seriously talking eugenics..Jan 14 16:13
qu1j0t3as if it were okayJan 14 16:13
schestowitzAnyway, the point is, these are unspeakable subjectsJan 14 16:13
schestowitz"Who are you to deprive baby machines?"Jan 14 16:13
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I occasionally see people calling Pearly a eugenicJan 14 16:14
MinceRqu1j0t3: i prefer genetic engineering and natural selection to eugenics :>Jan 14 16:14
MinceRi thought pearly just wanted humanity to be oppressed by robots running winblowsJan 14 16:15
qu1j0t3schestowitz: i think essentially billg is a eugenicistJan 14 16:15
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's kind of the fundamental plank of his agendaJan 14 16:15
qu1j0t3windows was only a vehicle, not an endJan 14 16:16
qu1j0t3same w/ microsoftJan 14 16:16
qu1j0t3just a vehcile. a first stage booster that is disposable and will fall into the ocean soon enoughJan 14 16:16
schestowitzHe wanted powerJan 14 16:16
qu1j0t3yes.Jan 14 16:16
schestowitzHe came from a powerful dynastyJan 14 16:17
schestowitzHis mom helped himJan 14 16:17
schestowitzAnd later his dad defended himJan 14 16:17
schestowitzNow they're involved via the 'foundation'Jan 14 16:17
schestowitzCorporation without public stakesJan 14 16:17
qu1j0t3unelected governorsJan 14 16:19
qu1j0t3ministersJan 14 16:19
qu1j0t3legislatorsJan 14 16:19
qu1j0t3american monarchyJan 14 16:19
qu1j0t3-> bushJan 14 16:20
qu1j0t3look for connections between bush and gatesJan 14 16:20
qu1j0t3or maybe they're actually in competition nowJan 14 16:20
qu1j0t3feudal feudJan 14 16:20
MinceRi think it's rather that bush and obama are both puppets whose services gates pays forJan 14 16:20
MinceRan indirection to hide who really is in controlJan 14 16:21
MinceRand to help usians pretend that they're living in a democracy and are freeJan 14 16:21
qu1j0t3MinceR: yesJan 14 16:22
qu1j0t3MinceR: but Bush family is also de facto royaltyJan 14 16:22
schestowitzAnd their friends in SAJan 14 16:22
qu1j0t3but yeah, a frontJan 14 16:22
schestowitzNot South America :-)Jan 14 16:22
schestowitzThe other SAJan 14 16:22
qu1j0t3schestowitz: riteJan 14 16:22
schestowitzAnd not South AfricaJan 14 16:22
schestowitz[16:21] <MinceR> and to help usians pretend that they're living in a democracy and are freeJan 14 16:23
schestowitzThey are freeJan 14 16:23
schestowitzThey graduateJan 14 16:23
schestowitzAnd then banks employ them for freeJan 14 16:23
schestowitzThey call it 'internships'Jan 14 16:23
schestowitzThe "American people" (sound bite) are freeJan 14 16:23
MinceRfree as in free beer?Jan 14 16:24
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/62205012Jan 14 16:30
TechrightsBot-sc@Jayson Fortune (slurry)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 16:20:10 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz ...as if on queue! #drivelJan 14 16:30
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schestowitzre: "By revealing that they have 'dirt' on Murdoch/Fox , !wikileaks makes another enemy with lots of media outlets and political power"Jan 14 16:30
schestowitzMinceR: free as in feer [sic]Jan 14 16:31
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/25938856763203584Jan 14 16:34
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @Elland_Road So far I haven't seen any secret input @schestowitz  published. But the BSA member list is public and he did a good job on thatJan 14 16:34
schestowitzHmmm... weird one: http://twitter.com/coreshift/statuses/25950147028451328Jan 14 16:34
TechrightsBot-sc@coreshift: @schestowitz Well, Assange says he likes crushing bastards.  Unfortunately for him many other people do as well. #wikileaksJan 14 16:34
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/62200950Jan 14 16:40
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 15:05:15 UTC - Identi.ca: @rysiek in their forums they made "free speech zones" to even distance polite critics http://is.gd/ZH6kG7 !ubuntu #monoJan 14 16:40
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/62200897Jan 14 16:40
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 15:03:58 UTC - Identi.ca: "Money Is Not Wealth" http://is.gd/YD7ajS /via @webmink http://is.gd/QipC3y // I personally have no aspiration to become richJan 14 16:40
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/62200043 https://identi.ca/notice/62200096Jan 14 16:41
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 14:46:10 UTC - Identi.ca: has come to the conclusion that a lot of people refuse to accept they are being manipulated/deceived by mass media for same reason as [...]Jan 14 16:41
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 14:47:07 UTC - Identi.ca: [...]  religion and apologetics, where one becomes desperate to convince self that not entire life was spent following a lieJan 14 16:41
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/62194422Jan 14 16:45
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 12:55:13 UTC - Identi.ca: ♻ @glynmoody !Linux Foundation: Events for 2011 include new LinuxCon http://bit.ly/hTpaDq great to see acknowledgement that Rest of WorldJan 14 16:45
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schestowitzEnder just mailed me. Interesting sig:Jan 14 19:25
schestowitzMICROSOFT CERTIFIED IT PROFESSIONALJan 14 19:25
schestowitzMCITP, MCTS, MCPJan 14 19:25
schestowitzA+ CERTIFIEDJan 14 19:25
schestowitzNETWORK+ CERTIFIEDJan 14 19:25
schestowitzPeople becoming a properyy of a companyJan 14 19:25
schestowitzBy titleJan 14 19:25
schestowitz[17:48] <goblin_> schestowitz, you here...?Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz[17:48] <goblin_> how about a show tonight?Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz[17:51] *** goblin_ is now known as _goblin_netbook.Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz[18:11] *** _goblin_netbook is now known as _goblin.Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz[19:26] <schestowitz> yeah!Jan 14 19:26
schestowitz[19:26] <schestowitz> Now is a great timeJan 14 19:26
schestowitz:-)Jan 14 19:26
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schestowitzok, done editing the showJan 14 21:34
schestowitz[21:26] <_Goblin_Netbook> good show mate...Jan 14 21:34
schestowitzJan 14 21:34
schestowitz[21:27] <_Goblin_Netbook> smoke breadJan 14 21:34
schestowitz[21:27] <_Goblin_Netbook> *breakJan 14 21:34
schestowitz[21:34] <schestowitz> i t sounds alright this one, he massive cough break cut outJan 14 21:34
schestowitzJan 14 21:44
schestowitz[21:42] <_Goblin_Netbook> cool!Jan 14 21:44
schestowitz[21:42] <_Goblin_Netbook> sorry about that...a tickly cough which was made worse when I tried to hold it in!Jan 14 21:44
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schestowitzqu1j0t3: "n should read Godwin's"Jan 14 22:29
schestowitzoops. "/@themadhatter] RT @howardknopf: Sarah Palin should read Godwin's Law ( http://bit.ly/hUB1Ry ) about Nazi analogies - if she can read. http://nyti.ms/edRHi3"Jan 14 22:30
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schestowitzqu1j0t3: ^ two Canadian bloggersJan 14 22:30
schestowitzindenti.CA has many CanadiansJan 14 22:30
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dredeyedick/status/26035329412636672Jan 14 22:30
TechrightsBot-sc@dredeyedick: @schestowitz @thistleweb @laurelrusswurm  that damned paplin!Jan 14 22:30
schestowitzre: "@thistleweb @laurelrusswurm wonder if they'd be ok with killobama.com or killpaplin.com; not that I'm looking for names myself"Jan 14 22:31
schestowitz"@themadhatter] Re death of Sgt. Russell - in the U.S. he would have been shot. In Canada he gets run over by a stolen snowplow, leaving a wife and child."Jan 14 22:37
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schestowitz"Jan 14 23:17
schestowitzHey All,Jan 14 23:17
schestowitzThe legendary Knuth is coming to Manchester on Feb 8th, I thought this may be of interest.Jan 14 23:17
schestowitzhttp://www.bcs.org/category/14335/Jan 14 23:17
schestowitz"Jan 14 23:17
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