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qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: why? | Jan 14 00:06 |
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sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: all that time being nagged to sort his lap top out, and I do | Jan 14 00:08 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: and well he doesn't even mention on Facebook he has it back or something, like oh cool its back | Jan 14 00:09 |
sebsebseb | I could have then replied to something like that, and been like, yeah thanks to your brother | Jan 14 00:09 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: well he doesn't really care much about computers so yeah | Jan 14 00:09 |
sebsebseb | and also for that reason I think the distro I put on is a good one, Linux Mint 9 based on Ubuntu 10.04 so yep LTS as well | Jan 14 00:09 |
sebsebseb | and a distro for people who don't really care much about computers really | Jan 14 00:10 |
sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: plus a bit more user friendly over Ubuntu | Jan 14 00:10 |
qu1j0t3 | so he has no troubles with it? | Jan 14 01:12 |
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schestowitz | https://twitter.com/aletorto/status/25706775827189760 | Jan 14 05:31 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @aletorto: RT @schestowitz: The US army definition of "terrorism" strictly requires the "use of force". Was #Assange forceful? #wikileaks | Jan 14 05:31 |
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schestowitz | "I may recommend @ave as one of the most trustful members of Romanian GNU/Linux community - Red Hat trainer, Debian user, etc." | Jan 14 13:18 |
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schestowitz | re " ♻ @jwildeboer Apple history in one dent/tweet: From "think different" via "think like us" to "let us think for you" - Freedom detoriation..." "@schestowitz @jwildeboer think different is a metaphor for the opposite" https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/25904821471023104 | Jan 14 14:26 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @ender2070: @schestowitz @jwildeboer think different is a metaphor for the opposite | Jan 14 14:26 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jimbobbysez/status/25905231921418240 | Jan 14 14:26 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @jimbobbysez: #FollowFriday #FF Thx for RTs @democracycanada @marlenewells @tidewaters @thehilltimes @greatgodfrey @schestowitz (via @ffhelper) | Jan 14 14:26 |
schestowitz | qu1j0t3: brandon still defends the whole "no global warming" thing.. | Jan 14 14:28 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/25905244231704576 | Jan 14 14:28 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @ender2070: @schestowitz vs libs/greenpeace using bank funding to physically threaten critical thinkers and commit terrorism? | Jan 14 14:28 |
schestowitz | re "Here is what happens when Tea "don't retreat, instead RELOAD" Party uses Big Oil funding to physically threaten #science http://is.gd/xv25zr" | Jan 14 14:28 |
TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Even now, ClimateDepot’s Marc Morano reiterates his call for a “hostile reaction” to climate scientists « Climate Progress .::. Size~: 90.44 KB | Jan 14 14:28 |
schestowitz | And qu1j0t3: the article that quotes you has just been published in Spanish | Jan 14 14:29 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/swadeshine/status/25905547010117632 | Jan 14 14:29 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @swadeshine: @schestowitz Assange: #wikileaks to speed release of leaked docs > http://goo.gl/jicAx | Jan 14 14:29 |
TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: World Wide Web - Assange: WikiLeaks To Speed Release of Leaked Docs .::. Size~: 54.63 KB | Jan 14 14:29 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: :) | Jan 14 14:38 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yeah 'global warming' is a terrible label | Jan 14 14:38 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: every day we see the effects of climate change in More EXTREME climate, hot, cold, regardless | Jan 14 14:39 |
qu1j0t3 | exactly as predicted | Jan 14 14:39 |
qu1j0t3 | i work with ppl who continue to say things like "there's snow in Georgia (in fact, every US state but one) , where's your global warming, hippies" | Jan 14 14:39 |
*qu1j0t3 sighs | Jan 14 14:40 | |
qu1j0t3 | they read headlines but no text, apaprently. | Jan 14 14:40 |
qu1j0t3 | FOX Science! | Jan 14 14:40 |
schestowitz | It's not amusing at all | Jan 14 14:43 |
schestowitz | But we're cynical about it | Jan 14 14:43 |
schestowitz | Some people think Fox is news | Jan 14 14:43 |
schestowitz | Frankly, I switch off any mass broadcast device because I know who pays for the service | Jan 14 14:43 |
schestowitz | Sometimes I leave that on for amusment | Jan 14 14:44 |
schestowitz | And to practice critical thinking, or to explain someone around me what they actually did to launder each item | Jan 14 14:44 |
schestowitz | TV/radio/paper... | Jan 14 14:44 |
schestowitz | Lie by omission is most common | Jan 14 14:44 |
schestowitz | Sadly, while some people immediately agree with me on it (like how editors choose to magnify some subjects rather than others), there are those who simply refuse to believe that are being manipulated. It scares them for the same reason religion people defend religion in the face of most obvious truisms | Jan 14 14:46 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes i agree re commercial media, i believe tv has no place in public space, period | Jan 14 14:54 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and newspapers, well, hahahahaha | Jan 14 14:54 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: you realise that foreign papers are 1) hard to find and 2) specially edited for the US | Jan 14 14:54 |
qu1j0t3 | "US Edition", if you can find them at all | Jan 14 14:54 |
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schestowitz | [14:54] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: and newspapers, well, hahahahaha | Jan 14 14:55 |
schestowitz | They hand they out for free in Manchester and the London tubes | Jan 14 14:55 |
schestowitz | "Free" | Jan 14 14:55 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: oh, i know. | Jan 14 14:55 |
schestowitz | "free indoctrination" | Jan 14 14:55 |
schestowitz | Free schools | Jan 14 14:55 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i've long watched that phenomenon. | Jan 14 14:55 |
schestowitz | The govt. will pay for it... | Jan 14 14:55 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: those free papers are usually Murdoch owned | Jan 14 14:55 |
schestowitz | They'll teach the kids national 'history', bible... | Jan 14 14:56 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it started ~ 10 yrs ago in my hometown | Jan 14 14:56 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: note, there's typicall only ONE paper. what really offended me is that they got pvement space for the 'free' dispensers ALL OVER THE CITY. | Jan 14 14:56 |
qu1j0t3 | un. believeable. | Jan 14 14:56 |
qu1j0t3 | same in Canada | Jan 14 14:56 |
qu1j0t3 | free subway paper | Jan 14 14:56 |
qu1j0t3 | free indoctrination | Jan 14 14:57 |
qu1j0t3 | 'here, have a dose, first hit is free' | Jan 14 14:57 |
qu1j0t3 | i used to foam at the mouth when i first realised what ws going on, this was a bit before iraq invasion | Jan 14 14:57 |
schestowitz | It's not like that... | Jan 14 14:57 |
schestowitz | [14:57] <qu1j0t3> 'here, have a dose, first hit is free' | Jan 14 14:57 |
schestowitz | They don't need you to sub' | Jan 14 14:57 |
qu1j0t3 | first and every hit is free, i know. | Jan 14 14:58 |
schestowitz | Heh | Jan 14 14:58 |
schestowitz | Sub at the sub | Jan 14 14:58 |
schestowitz | This one is not a paper with 'premium' 'version;' | Jan 14 14:58 |
schestowitz | edition | Jan 14 14:58 |
qu1j0t3 | i know | Jan 14 14:58 |
schestowitz | qu1j0t3: fed on the way to work on the train | Jan 14 14:58 |
qu1j0t3 | it horrifies me that ppl can't see what's going on | Jan 14 14:58 |
schestowitz | 45 minutes to nuclear impact on Manc?! | Jan 14 14:58 |
schestowitz | IIRC the lump of reports about it was seeded in Manc, infamously | Jan 14 14:59 |
qu1j0t3 | like, hello, ONE paper, with subsidised space all over the city, given to EVERY commuter,... what could possibly be wrong with thi spicture? | Jan 14 14:59 |
schestowitz | M.E.N. maybe | Jan 14 14:59 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: YES! | Jan 14 14:59 |
qu1j0t3 | this is exactly how these lies are injected | Jan 14 14:59 |
schestowitz | Then they cite it | Jan 14 14:59 |
qu1j0t3 | ther's not even a venue to criciticse pulp media | Jan 14 14:59 |
schestowitz | And you need to check where it comes from | Jan 14 14:59 |
qu1j0t3 | "I read it on the Metro paper." | Jan 14 14:59 |
schestowitz | Met RAW | Jan 14 15:00 |
qu1j0t3 | they can write anything, nobody criticises it, because the "intelligentisa" are already above it. | Jan 14 15:00 |
qu1j0t3 | they don't realise that this doesn't matter if 90% of the population accepts it as fact | Jan 14 15:00 |
qu1j0t3 | it's how Fox won as well | Jan 14 15:00 |
qu1j0t3 | "smart liberals" don't watch Fox. so it crept up. won the 90% of ignorant uneducated lumps | Jan 14 15:00 |
qu1j0t3 | and STILL people don't see parallels to NSDP | Jan 14 15:01 |
qu1j0t3 | they believe -anything- | Jan 14 15:01 |
qu1j0t3 | tell them Muslims are the problem | Jan 14 15:01 |
qu1j0t3 | they still believe it | Jan 14 15:01 |
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qu1j0t3 | WMDs. | Jan 14 15:02 |
qu1j0t3 | Big Lie. | Jan 14 15:02 |
qu1j0t3 | Bush/Rove/Fleischer | Jan 14 15:02 |
qu1j0t3 | USA über alles | Jan 14 15:02 |
schestowitz | It's a convenient parallel reality | Jan 14 15:02 |
schestowitz | Where the class war does not exist | Jan 14 15:03 |
schestowitz | And where the rich sustain the country | Jan 14 15:03 |
qu1j0t3 | exactly | Jan 14 15:03 |
qu1j0t3 | and don't examine too closely how the rich is making a buck | Jan 14 15:03 |
schestowitz | While "outside enemies" are *everyone's* 'target' (/me thinks Palin) | Jan 14 15:03 |
qu1j0t3 | the sausage factory | Jan 14 15:03 |
schestowitz | sleen | Jan 14 15:03 |
schestowitz | spleen | Jan 14 15:03 |
qu1j0t3 | Shopping as Recreation. yes, it's a dual with TV. | Jan 14 15:04 |
qu1j0t3 | TV tells you to go to the Mall. Then you come home and relax with some TV. | Jan 14 15:04 |
qu1j0t3 | this is how nearly a billion people live. | Jan 14 15:04 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Jan 14 15:07 |
schestowitz | Self-serving there | Jan 14 15:07 |
schestowitz | TV says you need to watch TV | Jan 14 15:07 |
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schestowitz | I'll elaborate on the shopping thing | Jan 14 15:08 |
qu1j0t3 | yes, ppl die of old age in that recursion | Jan 14 15:09 |
qu1j0t3 | they're not supposed to exit the loop | Jan 14 15:09 |
qu1j0t3 | if you exit, you are a radical, a freak, a weirdo, a hippie, an extremist, a t*rr*r*st | Jan 14 15:09 |
schestowitz | Oh cool: "Auf die Abwanderungsbewegung war zunächst das Blog Techrights durch einen Vergleich der aktuellen Mitgliederliste mit der von 2008 aufmerksam geworden. " | Jan 14 15:10 |
schestowitz | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/IT-Groessen-kehren-Business-Software-Alliance-den-Ruecken-1169911.html | Jan 14 15:10 |
qu1j0t3 | threatening corporations | Jan 14 15:10 |
TechrightsBot-sc | Title: heise online - IT-Größen kehren Business Software Alliance den Rücken .::. Size~: 61.33 KB | Jan 14 15:10 |
schestowitz | I'm in the German news... | Jan 14 15:10 |
schestowitz | qu1j0t3: or "Wewird" | Jan 14 15:10 |
schestowitz | Oh wait.. | Jan 14 15:10 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i think i'm going to refer to t*rr*r*st as SUSTADOR from now on, to emphasise the power of label-words | Jan 14 15:10 |
schestowitz | You said weirdo | Jan 14 15:11 |
qu1j0t3 | becasue SUSTADOR means nothing to Enflish | Jan 14 15:11 |
qu1j0t3 | gl* | Jan 14 15:11 |
schestowitz | Not normal is another | Jan 14 15:11 |
qu1j0t3 | yes, abnormal | Jan 14 15:11 |
qu1j0t3 | non-conforming | Jan 14 15:11 |
schestowitz | When I explain this to people it goes something like this | Jan 14 15:11 |
qu1j0t3 | a difficult cae | Jan 14 15:11 |
schestowitz | Average is normal | Jan 14 15:11 |
qu1j0t3 | case | Jan 14 15:11 |
qu1j0t3 | needs treatment | Jan 14 15:11 |
schestowitz | Not strictly | Jan 14 15:11 |
qu1j0t3 | correction | Jan 14 15:11 |
schestowitz | And people have many parameters | Jan 14 15:11 |
schestowitz | Behavioural, appearance, etc. | Jan 14 15:11 |
schestowitz | So "not normal" means no average | Jan 14 15:11 |
schestowitz | It can be better than average | Jan 14 15:11 |
schestowitz | And it depend which parameters are fine-tuned | Jan 14 15:12 |
schestowitz | Schools and mass media adjust those parameters | Jan 14 15:12 |
qu1j0t3 | yes | Jan 14 15:12 |
schestowitz | So since kindergarden you generally know what to do and not what to do | Jan 14 15:12 |
schestowitz | E.g. don't yell in class | Jan 14 15:12 |
schestowitz | BTW... | Jan 14 15:12 |
schestowitz | My mother used to tell me that when I was about 6 a teacher told her in a postive way that I was "non-conformist" | Jan 14 15:13 |
schestowitz | qu1j0t3: anyway, you must show your 'abnormality' | Jan 14 15:14 |
schestowitz | It's the only way to enlighten other people | Jan 14 15:14 |
schestowitz | They won't serve it to themselves, it intimidates them | Jan 14 15:14 |
schestowitz | You have to intrude their cocoon sometimes, then they get curious and read the read for themselves | Jan 14 15:14 |
schestowitz | Some truths --polite put -- cause a "shock effect" to some people if they are not used to hearing it. They develop defences from watching other sources that relieve them and sometimes provide an escape from this "conflicting" new information | Jan 14 15:15 |
schestowitz | As long as you're not a radio with 24/7 access to many minds, you're disadvantaged | Jan 14 15:16 |
qu1j0t3 | I do that, within limits. | Jan 14 15:17 |
qu1j0t3 | the people i've been living around are completely conforming, thought, action, everything | Jan 14 15:17 |
qu1j0t3 | they can only take a minimum of challenge | Jan 14 15:17 |
qu1j0t3 | close to zero | Jan 14 15:17 |
qu1j0t3 | any challenge really has to be revolutionary: all or nothing | Jan 14 15:17 |
qu1j0t3 | unplug the tv | Jan 14 15:17 |
qu1j0t3 | "From now on you are going to live." | Jan 14 15:18 |
qu1j0t3 | not artificial respiration, iron lung for the brain | Jan 14 15:18 |
qu1j0t3 | concealing a terminal case of boredom | Jan 14 15:18 |
qu1j0t3 | did the film V address this? | Jan 14 15:18 |
qu1j0t3 | the film Brazil certainly did. | Jan 14 15:18 |
qu1j0t3 | it was one long sarcastic monologue on the banal evils of conformity | Jan 14 15:19 |
schestowitz | I didn't waytch V | Jan 14 15:19 |
schestowitz | I almost did when I was in Miami and it was new | Jan 14 15:19 |
qu1j0t3 | i did, but i don't recall it in enough detail. | Jan 14 15:19 |
schestowitz | Is it any good? | Jan 14 15:19 |
qu1j0t3 | i'm suspicious of it. | Jan 14 15:19 |
schestowitz | I associate it with a relative of mine who was rebellious and loved it | Jan 14 15:20 |
qu1j0t3 | i need to rewatch critically. | Jan 14 15:20 |
schestowitz | He also sped in his car with me, which pissed me off | Jan 14 15:20 |
qu1j0t3 | yeah, but rebellion is only the 1st order take on V | Jan 14 15:20 |
qu1j0t3 | it's superficially about rebellion, i haven't really concluded my thoughts on it | Jan 14 15:20 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: sigh | Jan 14 15:20 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that pisses me off too | Jan 14 15:20 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the other day my fatherinlaw was trying to use his phone while driving, nearly ran us off the road | Jan 14 15:21 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: had to tell my wife to please make sure he doesn't do that | Jan 14 15:21 |
schestowitz | You should not tell them off for it | Jan 14 15:21 |
qu1j0t3 | i didn't. | Jan 14 15:21 |
schestowitz | "Everyone is doing it" | Jan 14 15:21 |
qu1j0t3 | i told my wife | Jan 14 15:21 |
schestowitz | It's you who's the problem | Jan 14 15:22 |
qu1j0t3 | hehe | Jan 14 15:22 |
qu1j0t3 | not sure | Jan 14 15:22 |
schestowitz | Texting I think is like 30 times more likely yo lead to accident | Jan 14 15:22 |
qu1j0t3 | i think it was just thoughtlessness on his part | Jan 14 15:22 |
qu1j0t3 | they are childlike | Jan 14 15:22 |
schestowitz | I remember some COuric show about it | Jan 14 15:22 |
schestowitz | "textng while driving can turn an LOL into a big OMG" | Jan 14 15:22 |
schestowitz | Even pedestrians should watch out now | Jan 14 15:23 |
schestowitz | With texting, the cars go in all sorts of direction | Jan 14 15:23 |
schestowitz | Like falling sleep at the wheel | Jan 14 15:23 |
schestowitz | I tell people to switch off the phone before they start driving | Jan 14 15:23 |
schestowitz | I don't carry a phone anymore | Jan 14 15:23 |
schestowitz | So when I drive it's not a factor | Jan 14 15:24 |
schestowitz | Cars are not an office | Jan 14 15:24 |
schestowitz | They are a one-tonne machine for moving a person from place to place | Jan 14 15:24 |
schestowitz | That's why cars don't have kitchens yet | Jan 14 15:24 |
schestowitz | Some have TVs, sadly | Jan 14 15:24 |
schestowitz | audio-visual indoc. while you drive :-) | Jan 14 15:24 |
schestowitz | To enhance the radio signal | Jan 14 15:25 |
schestowitz | Sexy people..... brave leaders... fear of outsiders... scandals that don't matter to you... | Jan 14 15:25 |
qu1j0t3 | :) | Jan 14 15:26 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz | Cars are not an office <-- YES! I've long been fighting this mixing of incompatible ideas. | Jan 14 15:26 |
qu1j0t3 | ditto airplanes | Jan 14 15:27 |
qu1j0t3 | ditto movie theatres | Jan 14 15:27 |
qu1j0t3 | they're not fucking restaurants | Jan 14 15:27 |
qu1j0t3 | i'm there to see a movie, not eat | Jan 14 15:27 |
qu1j0t3 | sigh | Jan 14 15:27 |
schestowitz | Planes with gyms | Jan 14 15:27 |
schestowitz | Not cargo | Jan 14 15:27 |
qu1j0t3 | "oh, but it's convenient! Why should your brain receive Crap and not your stomach? have a multidimensional crap filled experience!" | Jan 14 15:28 |
schestowitz | Wireless I understand | Jan 14 15:28 |
schestowitz | Doesn't take up much space to have wifi and widens reach for some people in virtual space | Jan 14 15:28 |
schestowitz | The "legroom" class game sickens me | Jan 14 15:28 |
qu1j0t3 | LOL | Jan 14 15:28 |
schestowitz | When people stare and judge each other like friggin' chickens in a coop | Jan 14 15:28 |
schestowitz | Hey... | Jan 14 15:28 |
schestowitz | Today I went out | Jan 14 15:28 |
schestowitz | Out OUT | Jan 14 15:28 |
schestowitz | I went to nature | Jan 14 15:28 |
schestowitz | I actually bruised myself a lot | Jan 14 15:29 |
schestowitz | but I have vast space around me | Jan 14 15:29 |
schestowitz | Now, THAT'S leg room | Jan 14 15:29 |
schestowitz | I fell on some barb wire | Jan 14 15:29 |
schestowitz | My whole fist blad | Jan 14 15:29 |
schestowitz | *blad | Jan 14 15:29 |
schestowitz | *bled | Jan 14 15:29 |
MinceR | i like having a radio/music player in my car | Jan 14 15:29 |
schestowitz | The music does all the work :-) | Jan 14 15:30 |
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*schestowitz listens to music while on IRC | Jan 14 15:30 | |
*schestowitz does not write SMS while trying this into IRC | Jan 14 15:30 | |
schestowitz | *typing | Jan 14 15:30 |
schestowitz | o'dear | Jan 14 15:30 |
schestowitz | monodev: | Jan 14 15:30 |
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monodev | schestowitz: yes | Jan 14 15:31 |
schestowitz | There are some trolls who came out of the woodshed today... https://identi.ca/notice/62201258 | Jan 14 15:31 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 15:12:06 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz likely they got sick of your trolling and general douchebaggery | Jan 14 15:31 |
schestowitz | No activity from these accounts until Mono is under fire | Jan 14 15:31 |
schestowitz | qu1j0t3: dishes? | Jan 14 15:31 |
schestowitz | That's work | Jan 14 15:31 |
schestowitz | Maybe you mean work "WORK" | Jan 14 15:31 |
schestowitz | Which today is a shorthand name for "Servicing a mortgage" ;-) | Jan 14 15:32 |
monodev | schestowitz: for your consumption - http://monodev.tumblr.com/post/2743278056/techright-remnant-mono | Jan 14 15:32 |
TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Discussing CLI | Techrights thinks Remnant was a mono apologist .::. Size~: 15.46 KB | Jan 14 15:32 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/25937460773003264 | Jan 14 15:33 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Despite all reservations, I congratulate you on having discovered this. Research is more quoteworthy than conspiracy theories. | Jan 14 15:33 |
monodev | schestowitz: also some more info http://monodev.tumblr.com/post/2732346118/mono-apps-native-apps-performance | Jan 14 15:35 |
TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Discussing CLI | Are mono applications always slower than native apps? .::. Size~: 17.8 KB | Jan 14 15:35 |
monodev | schestowitz: you can ask me anything related to mono. esp technical is you want | Jan 14 15:35 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: oh, right, yes the euphemistic work | Jan 14 15:35 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: funding my wife's mall trips | Jan 14 15:35 |
schestowitz | monodev: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000584.html | Jan 14 15:35 |
TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Mono Position Statement .::. Size~: 4.91 KB | Jan 14 15:35 |
schestowitz | qu1j0t3: mall trips is shopping | Jan 14 15:35 |
qu1j0t3 | I know. | Jan 14 15:35 |
monodev | monodev: that's pretty much old announcement | Jan 14 15:35 |
schestowitz | mall is orgasm for that type | Jan 14 15:36 |
monodev | everyone knows about it | Jan 14 15:36 |
monodev | schestowitz: | Jan 14 15:36 |
schestowitz | If shopping is the next sex... then malls... It's like an orgy | Jan 14 15:36 |
schestowitz | monodev: my main point was no Scott | Jan 14 15:36 |
schestowitz | It was 'sidal' | Jan 14 15:37 |
schestowitz | And someone whom I saw bringing this up I disagree with | Jan 14 15:37 |
schestowitz | The problem that's greater was mentioned in my post | Jan 14 15:37 |
schestowitz | And it's not Scott James Remnant | Jan 14 15:37 |
monodev | well scott can be spared | Jan 14 15:37 |
monodev | he is more info those low level stuff | Jan 14 15:37 |
schestowitz | He's a Debian guy working close to kernel layer | Jan 14 15:38 |
monodev | yes | Jan 14 15:38 |
MinceR | that name sounds a lot like "whatever was left of Scott James" | Jan 14 15:38 |
monodev | he can have his view on mono btw | Jan 14 15:38 |
schestowitz | beat me to it.. | Jan 14 15:38 |
schestowitz | MinceR: I don't get the reference | Jan 14 15:38 |
monodev | nor me | Jan 14 15:38 |
MinceR | it's not a reference, just the meaning of the word "remnant" :) | Jan 14 15:38 |
monodev | lol | Jan 14 15:39 |
monodev | people have even weirder names. probably in this local or family or culture, it means something good | Jan 14 15:39 |
schestowitz | Hereditary remnant | Jan 14 15:40 |
alket | hi | Jan 14 15:42 |
qu1j0t3 | MinceR: yeah it's a fairly unusual name. i notice that in the etymology, it has a christian meaning. | Jan 14 15:42 |
schestowitz | LOL: https://identi.ca/notice/62202606 | Jan 14 15:42 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @rclayton's status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 15:36:28 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz yes, it means trolls like you aren't worth their time. | Jan 14 15:42 |
MinceR | ic | Jan 14 15:43 |
qu1j0t3 | MinceR: which seems likely to be the surname's connection | Jan 14 15:43 |
schestowitz | This account is like a Mono drone | Jan 14 15:43 |
schestowitz | Only active as Mono damage control once in x months, curses and attacks mostly me | Jan 14 15:43 |
qu1j0t3 | MinceR: 'Remnant' -- those who remain/ will be saved / after the 2nd coming | Jan 14 15:43 |
schestowitz | Or tried to incite my friends against ,e | Jan 14 15:43 |
schestowitz | *me | Jan 14 15:43 |
MinceR | schestowitz: he disproves his own statement by taking the time anyway | Jan 14 15:43 |
MinceR | qu1j0t3: ic | Jan 14 15:43 |
schestowitz | That's the "Mono bullying" I sometimes refer to | Jan 14 15:43 |
schestowitz | qu1j0t3: remnant sounds OK | Jan 14 15:44 |
schestowitz | Neve though of it as name that would have you abused at schools | Jan 14 15:44 |
schestowitz | Kids like to pick on names that sound like bodyparts | Jan 14 15:44 |
qu1j0t3 | it's pretty funny in the context of mono. you could argue that Señor MVP is trying to stay in God's good graces so that after the rapture, when all infidels are sent to hell, he will be spared, as a quisling/collaborator. | Jan 14 15:45 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Jan 14 15:45 |
schestowitz | Yeah, well.. | Jan 14 15:45 |
monodev | if Scott told his orientation during school days, he would have been outcasted by our society | Jan 14 15:45 |
*qu1j0t3 giggles | Jan 14 15:45 | |
schestowitz | Señor MVP also believes in sky daddy | Jan 14 15:45 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: remnant is quite a nice word. i wasn't aware of the christian meaning until just now. | Jan 14 15:45 |
MinceR | qu1j0t3: lol | Jan 14 15:45 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Sky daddy? Rupe? | Jan 14 15:45 |
schestowitz | "OH YOU!!! Shame on you.... blasphemous... criticising for religion!" | Jan 14 15:45 |
MinceR | qu1j0t3: the old man in the sky | Jan 14 15:46 |
qu1j0t3 | MinceR: yeah I know. also: Rupe | Jan 14 15:46 |
qu1j0t3 | MinceR: daddy of Sky | Jan 14 15:46 |
schestowitz | You can mock someone's football team or "Elvis is alive" insistence, but not in total lunacy... | Jan 14 15:46 |
MinceR | who tells you you have free will but kicks your ass if you don't do as he says, supposedly | Jan 14 15:46 |
MinceR | i don't know who "Rupe" is, though | Jan 14 15:46 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: mock Chelsea at thy peril! | Jan 14 15:46 |
qu1j0t3 | MinceR: Rupert Murdoch | Jan 14 15:46 |
MinceR | oh. | Jan 14 15:46 |
MinceR | got it now. | Jan 14 15:46 |
schestowitz | [15:45] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: Sky daddy? Rupe? | Jan 14 15:47 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Jan 14 15:47 |
schestowitz | What's the diff. between Larry Ellison and God? | Jan 14 15:47 |
qu1j0t3 | MinceR: prety much the earthly god, spreading the gospel | Jan 14 15:47 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i know. | Jan 14 15:47 |
MinceR | schestowitz: i'm not larry ellison ;) | Jan 14 15:47 |
schestowitz | Good for you! | Jan 14 15:47 |
schestowitz | God for you! | Jan 14 15:47 |
schestowitz | No SOUP for you! | Jan 14 15:47 |
MinceR | lol | Jan 14 15:47 |
qu1j0t3 | hot buttered god | Jan 14 15:47 |
MinceR | yum | Jan 14 15:48 |
qu1j0t3 | god gone wild | Jan 14 15:48 |
schestowitz | It can give you farts | Jan 14 15:48 |
qu1j0t3 | canned dogma | Jan 14 15:48 |
schestowitz | Cause you know what they say... it's just a load of air | Jan 14 15:48 |
MinceR | but can it give me divine ranks? | Jan 14 15:48 |
qu1j0t3 | spray-on ethics | Jan 14 15:48 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: hut it's holy air! | Jan 14 15:49 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: but* | Jan 14 15:49 |
schestowitz | Yo Dawg! I herd you can turn break into the flesh of God's child. Gimme some of dat, homie | Jan 14 15:49 |
schestowitz | *bread | Jan 14 15:49 |
MinceR | lol | Jan 14 15:49 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: breathe the holy air! certified to have been blown out of Gates' ass! | Jan 14 15:49 |
schestowitz | [15:48] <qu1j0t3> canned dogma | Jan 14 15:49 |
MinceR | lol | Jan 14 15:49 |
schestowitz | Not in CHina's menu during olympics? | Jan 14 15:49 |
qu1j0t3 | lol | Jan 14 15:49 |
MinceR | the ass Gates | Jan 14 15:49 |
qu1j0t3 | breathe! breathe in the air! [offer void in Beijing and most chinese cities] | Jan 14 15:50 |
*qu1j0t3 procratsinates mall-funding work | Jan 14 15:50 | |
schestowitz | qu1j0t3: They suffer pollution so that we don't have to | Jan 14 15:50 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: um, well. | Jan 14 15:50 |
schestowitz | "It's the American way" (well, justa pun) | Jan 14 15:50 |
schestowitz | Not just AMERICAN< OBVCIOUSLY>>> OOOPS CAPS FAIL | Jan 14 15:51 |
schestowitz | [15:50] * qu1j0t3 procratsinates mall-funding work | Jan 14 15:51 |
schestowitz | You're a bd citizens | Jan 14 15:51 |
schestowitz | Malls don't exist | Jan 14 15:51 |
schestowitz | They are a grid of girders | Jan 14 15:51 |
schestowitz | To facilitate "workers" | Jan 14 15:51 |
schestowitz | Not those who make stuff | Jan 14 15:51 |
schestowitz | The stuff is made in China | Jan 14 15:51 |
qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jan 14 15:51 |
schestowitz | These people just reposition items | Jan 14 15:51 |
schestowitz | They don't combine them | Jan 14 15:52 |
schestowitz | The most they can combine is ice cream and comb | Jan 14 15:52 |
schestowitz | And... | Jan 14 15:52 |
schestowitz | Most importantly.. | Jan 14 15:52 |
schestowitz | The function of malls is to move money | Jan 14 15:52 |
schestowitz | Every transaction feeds the economy | Jan 14 15:52 |
schestowitz | MasterCard, Visa, interest rates, loans, and of course you must 'make' >2 kids to ensure the national debt can be repaid by them (or their children.. or...) | Jan 14 15:53 |
schestowitz | Malls keep society working.... today. | Jan 14 15:53 |
MinceR | or just cover the planet in bodies and let everything die | Jan 14 15:53 |
schestowitz | Nothing would die | Jan 14 15:54 |
schestowitz | Remember we feed germs | Jan 14 15:54 |
schestowitz | BIllions of billions of hem | Jan 14 15:54 |
schestowitz | *them | Jan 14 15:54 |
schestowitz | Even now... | Jan 14 15:54 |
schestowitz | The planet is apathetic to life | Jan 14 15:54 |
schestowitz | It's a ball of rock that spins | Jan 14 15:54 |
MinceR | humans will eat all the plants and animals | Jan 14 15:54 |
schestowitz | But we make life miserable to a lot of people | Jan 14 15:54 |
MinceR | maybe they'll let the germs live on... | Jan 14 15:54 |
schestowitz | Not just 90% of the world | Jan 14 15:54 |
schestowitz | The other 10% (West) is also one where fragmentation is such that 90% (the other 9%) are servicing someone else | Jan 14 15:55 |
schestowitz | It was simpler when civilisation was villages | Jan 14 15:55 |
schestowitz | With roles | Jan 14 15:55 |
schestowitz | arts | Jan 14 15:55 |
schestowitz | Before debt | Jan 14 15:55 |
schestowitz | Currency being commodity | Jan 14 15:56 |
schestowitz | And the most pollution you could induce was some horse fart | Jan 14 15:56 |
schestowitz | Sadly, in a way, we made life miserable to animals | Jan 14 15:56 |
schestowitz | [what's left of them] | Jan 14 15:56 |
MinceR | not entirely true | Jan 14 15:56 |
schestowitz | But more importantly, it worries me that people ignore the mere existence of 90% of people | Jan 14 15:57 |
schestowitz | It's easier to cast 20% of them "terrorists" | Jan 14 15:57 |
MinceR | a lot more labor was necessary, a lot less entertainment was possible | Jan 14 15:57 |
MinceR | people knew a lot less, they were mostly uneducate | Jan 14 15:57 |
MinceR | d | Jan 14 15:57 |
MinceR | people in general had even less power and freedom than today | Jan 14 15:57 |
MinceR | and there were also cow farts, with methane | Jan 14 15:57 |
schestowitz | But it was probably better a while back | Jan 14 15:57 |
MinceR | plus a lot of trees were killed | Jan 14 15:57 |
schestowitz | Maybe it depends where | Jan 14 15:57 |
schestowitz | Mybe in Asia they get bettere eduated | Jan 14 15:58 |
schestowitz | I hear CHinese are big acers in schools now | Jan 14 15:58 |
schestowitz | And in the West, I'm not so sure... | Jan 14 15:58 |
schestowitz | [15:57] <MinceR> plus a lot of trees were killed | Jan 14 15:58 |
schestowitz | Per capita | Jan 14 15:58 |
MinceR | so koreans are big samsungs in schools then? :> | Jan 14 15:58 |
MinceR | probably not just per capita | Jan 14 15:58 |
schestowitz | Sam's Song? | Jan 14 15:58 |
MinceR | dunno that | Jan 14 15:59 |
schestowitz | Watzitgotodoowidit>? | Jan 14 15:59 |
schestowitz | Sam's Song.. | Jan 14 15:59 |
schestowitz | Let me find it... | Jan 14 15:59 |
MinceR | i've heard that the great plains in hungary used to be forests | Jan 14 15:59 |
schestowitz | !google youtube sam's song | Jan 14 15:59 |
TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - YouTube - Sam's Song | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DdqKkn8wExIQ | Jan 14 15:59 |
TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - YouTube - Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jnr - Sam's Song | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DKjVY7ybME-s | Jan 14 15:59 |
TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - YouTube - The SAM Song - Athenrye | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dplo_01uQUsg | Jan 14 15:59 |
TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - YouTube - sixTnine: Sam's Song | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVvY5NJLcx5U | Jan 14 15:59 |
schestowitz | MinceR: a lot of Eastern Europe was | Jan 14 15:59 |
schestowitz | But find out *when* it was chopped off to become lumber | Jan 14 16:00 |
MinceR | they said it was the middle ages | Jan 14 16:00 |
schestowitz | Maybe the church needed more wood to burn witches | Jan 14 16:00 |
MinceR | more likely it was one of the few energy sources they knew how to use | Jan 14 16:01 |
MinceR | and how to get | Jan 14 16:01 |
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schestowitz | the other ones drive the industrial revolution later on | Jan 14 16:06 |
schestowitz | But with it came a huge growth in human population | Jan 14 16:07 |
schestowitz | So the more power you have (energy I mean), the more population you permit to expand | Jan 14 16:07 |
schestowitz | It's like putting germs in a Petri dish | Jan 14 16:07 |
MinceR | sure, same with food | Jan 14 16:08 |
MinceR | i prefer birth control (and population control) to medieval squalor | Jan 14 16:08 |
schestowitz | "OH, you genocider!" | Jan 14 16:12 |
qu1j0t3 | in another chan here, someone was seriously talking eugenics.. | Jan 14 16:13 |
qu1j0t3 | as if it were okay | Jan 14 16:13 |
schestowitz | Anyway, the point is, these are unspeakable subjects | Jan 14 16:13 |
schestowitz | "Who are you to deprive baby machines?" | Jan 14 16:13 |
schestowitz | qu1j0t3: I occasionally see people calling Pearly a eugenic | Jan 14 16:14 |
MinceR | qu1j0t3: i prefer genetic engineering and natural selection to eugenics :> | Jan 14 16:14 |
MinceR | i thought pearly just wanted humanity to be oppressed by robots running winblows | Jan 14 16:15 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i think essentially billg is a eugenicist | Jan 14 16:15 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's kind of the fundamental plank of his agenda | Jan 14 16:15 |
qu1j0t3 | windows was only a vehicle, not an end | Jan 14 16:16 |
qu1j0t3 | same w/ microsoft | Jan 14 16:16 |
qu1j0t3 | just a vehcile. a first stage booster that is disposable and will fall into the ocean soon enough | Jan 14 16:16 |
schestowitz | He wanted power | Jan 14 16:16 |
qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jan 14 16:16 |
schestowitz | He came from a powerful dynasty | Jan 14 16:17 |
schestowitz | His mom helped him | Jan 14 16:17 |
schestowitz | And later his dad defended him | Jan 14 16:17 |
schestowitz | Now they're involved via the 'foundation' | Jan 14 16:17 |
schestowitz | Corporation without public stakes | Jan 14 16:17 |
qu1j0t3 | unelected governors | Jan 14 16:19 |
qu1j0t3 | ministers | Jan 14 16:19 |
qu1j0t3 | legislators | Jan 14 16:19 |
qu1j0t3 | american monarchy | Jan 14 16:19 |
qu1j0t3 | -> bush | Jan 14 16:20 |
qu1j0t3 | look for connections between bush and gates | Jan 14 16:20 |
qu1j0t3 | or maybe they're actually in competition now | Jan 14 16:20 |
qu1j0t3 | feudal feud | Jan 14 16:20 |
MinceR | i think it's rather that bush and obama are both puppets whose services gates pays for | Jan 14 16:20 |
MinceR | an indirection to hide who really is in control | Jan 14 16:21 |
MinceR | and to help usians pretend that they're living in a democracy and are free | Jan 14 16:21 |
qu1j0t3 | MinceR: yes | Jan 14 16:22 |
qu1j0t3 | MinceR: but Bush family is also de facto royalty | Jan 14 16:22 |
schestowitz | And their friends in SA | Jan 14 16:22 |
qu1j0t3 | but yeah, a front | Jan 14 16:22 |
schestowitz | Not South America :-) | Jan 14 16:22 |
schestowitz | The other SA | Jan 14 16:22 |
qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: rite | Jan 14 16:22 |
schestowitz | And not South Africa | Jan 14 16:22 |
schestowitz | [16:21] <MinceR> and to help usians pretend that they're living in a democracy and are free | Jan 14 16:23 |
schestowitz | They are free | Jan 14 16:23 |
schestowitz | They graduate | Jan 14 16:23 |
schestowitz | And then banks employ them for free | Jan 14 16:23 |
schestowitz | They call it 'internships' | Jan 14 16:23 |
schestowitz | The "American people" (sound bite) are free | Jan 14 16:23 |
MinceR | free as in free beer? | Jan 14 16:24 |
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schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/62205012 | Jan 14 16:30 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @Jayson Fortune (slurry)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 16:20:10 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz ...as if on queue! #drivel | Jan 14 16:30 |
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schestowitz | re: "By revealing that they have 'dirt' on Murdoch/Fox , !wikileaks makes another enemy with lots of media outlets and political power" | Jan 14 16:30 |
schestowitz | MinceR: free as in feer [sic] | Jan 14 16:31 |
schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/25938856763203584 | Jan 14 16:34 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @FOSSpatents: @Elland_Road So far I haven't seen any secret input @schestowitz published. But the BSA member list is public and he did a good job on that | Jan 14 16:34 |
schestowitz | Hmmm... weird one: http://twitter.com/coreshift/statuses/25950147028451328 | Jan 14 16:34 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @coreshift: @schestowitz Well, Assange says he likes crushing bastards. Unfortunately for him many other people do as well. #wikileaks | Jan 14 16:34 |
schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/62200950 | Jan 14 16:40 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 15:05:15 UTC - Identi.ca: @rysiek in their forums they made "free speech zones" to even distance polite critics http://is.gd/ZH6kG7 !ubuntu #mono | Jan 14 16:40 |
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schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/62200897 | Jan 14 16:40 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 15:03:58 UTC - Identi.ca: "Money Is Not Wealth" http://is.gd/YD7ajS /via @webmink http://is.gd/QipC3y // I personally have no aspiration to become rich | Jan 14 16:40 |
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schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/62200043 https://identi.ca/notice/62200096 | Jan 14 16:41 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 14:46:10 UTC - Identi.ca: has come to the conclusion that a lot of people refuse to accept they are being manipulated/deceived by mass media for same reason as [...] | Jan 14 16:41 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 14:47:07 UTC - Identi.ca: [...] religion and apologetics, where one becomes desperate to convince self that not entire life was spent following a lie | Jan 14 16:41 |
schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/62194422 | Jan 14 16:45 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 14-Jan-11 12:55:13 UTC - Identi.ca: ♻ @glynmoody !Linux Foundation: Events for 2011 include new LinuxCon http://bit.ly/hTpaDq great to see acknowledgement that Rest of World | Jan 14 16:45 |
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schestowitz | Ender just mailed me. Interesting sig: | Jan 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | MICROSOFT CERTIFIED IT PROFESSIONAL | Jan 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | MCITP, MCTS, MCP | Jan 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | A+ CERTIFIED | Jan 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | NETWORK+ CERTIFIED | Jan 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | People becoming a properyy of a company | Jan 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | By title | Jan 14 19:25 |
schestowitz | [17:48] <goblin_> schestowitz, you here...? | Jan 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | [17:48] <goblin_> how about a show tonight? | Jan 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | [17:51] *** goblin_ is now known as _goblin_netbook. | Jan 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | [18:11] *** _goblin_netbook is now known as _goblin. | Jan 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | [19:26] <schestowitz> yeah! | Jan 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | [19:26] <schestowitz> Now is a great time | Jan 14 19:26 |
schestowitz | :-) | Jan 14 19:26 |
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schestowitz | ok, done editing the show | Jan 14 21:34 |
schestowitz | [21:26] <_Goblin_Netbook> good show mate... | Jan 14 21:34 |
schestowitz |  | Jan 14 21:34 |
schestowitz | [21:27] <_Goblin_Netbook> smoke bread | Jan 14 21:34 |
schestowitz | [21:27] <_Goblin_Netbook> *break | Jan 14 21:34 |
schestowitz | [21:34] <schestowitz> i t sounds alright this one, he massive cough break cut out | Jan 14 21:34 |
schestowitz |  | Jan 14 21:44 |
schestowitz | [21:42] <_Goblin_Netbook> cool! | Jan 14 21:44 |
schestowitz | [21:42] <_Goblin_Netbook> sorry about that...a tickly cough which was made worse when I tried to hold it in! | Jan 14 21:44 |
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schestowitz | qu1j0t3: "n should read Godwin's" | Jan 14 22:29 |
schestowitz | oops. "/@themadhatter] RT @howardknopf: Sarah Palin should read Godwin's Law ( http://bit.ly/hUB1Ry ) about Nazi analogies - if she can read. http://nyti.ms/edRHi3" | Jan 14 22:30 |
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schestowitz | qu1j0t3: ^ two Canadian bloggers | Jan 14 22:30 |
schestowitz | indenti.CA has many Canadians | Jan 14 22:30 |
schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dredeyedick/status/26035329412636672 | Jan 14 22:30 |
TechrightsBot-sc | @dredeyedick: @schestowitz @thistleweb @laurelrusswurm that damned paplin! | Jan 14 22:30 |
schestowitz | re: "@thistleweb @laurelrusswurm wonder if they'd be ok with killobama.com or killpaplin.com; not that I'm looking for names myself" | Jan 14 22:31 |
schestowitz | "@themadhatter] Re death of Sgt. Russell - in the U.S. he would have been shot. In Canada he gets run over by a stolen snowplow, leaving a wife and child." | Jan 14 22:37 |
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schestowitz | " | Jan 14 23:17 |
schestowitz | Hey All, | Jan 14 23:17 |
schestowitz | The legendary Knuth is coming to Manchester on Feb 8th, I thought this may be of interest. | Jan 14 23:17 |
schestowitz | http://www.bcs.org/category/14335/ | Jan 14 23:17 |
schestowitz | " | Jan 14 23:17 |
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