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| sebsebseb | I had two years, doing loads of Ubuntu support, certain issues to do with the channel at time, two years or so of my life I spent, obbssed with heling people with Ubuntu, because of what had happended, and how I was depressed and it was something to do, only to result in me thinking that 8.10 was ready for main streame, and then Canonical thinking they should make Ubuntu more suitable for the main streame, with the distro then | Jan 16 00:00 |
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| sebsebseb | going bad with their changes starting with 9.04 | Jan 16 00:00 |
| sebsebseb | 8.10 ready for main streame with help above I mean, also that was really the last properly good version of Ubuntu | Jan 16 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex_: MinceR anyway like I am basicalely saying above, they had years building the community with people like myself thinking it was great, and then, they started doing there own thing | Jan 16 00:02 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 16 00:02 |
| sebsebseb | much more, trying to make things more user friendly, but then the distro got worse for people like myself hmm | Jan 16 00:02 |
| gnufreex_ | Canonical is spin machine. They use people to push their agenda, when you see their lies they call you an extremist. | Jan 16 00:03 |
| gnufreex_ | And then they tell you to be polite. | Jan 16 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | so far most of what Canonical have done, to try and make the distro more user friendly, sucks, also those Gnome patches brake features that are meant to be there really here and there, the shut down and log out in the system menu, the shut down after a minute feature, that kind of thing yeah, and I have said this thing I don't know how many times before | Jan 16 00:03 |
| sebsebseb | also I think it was you MinceR who basically just said it not long ago here now, but | Jan 16 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Jan 16 00:04 |
| sebsebseb | we shoudn't have a company | Jan 16 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | a for profit company | Jan 16 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | in control of loads of opensource/freesoftware | Jan 16 00:05 |
| MinceR | yes, canonical's example shows the dangers of that | Jan 16 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | it should be the volunters, the non profit organisations, ideally a commericial distro shoudn't even be the number one most used Desktop Linux distro, it should be a non profit 100% community distro :) | Jan 16 00:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: also I used to care about loads of users going Desktop Linux before | Jan 16 00:06 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am not so sure anymore | Jan 16 00:06 |
| sebsebseb | take my older brother for example | Jan 16 00:06 |
| sebsebseb | rather non technical really, will use stuff I tell him to though probably | Jan 16 00:06 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm yeah about a year and a bit, Ubuntu and then Mandriva on the family computer, and more recently I put Linux Mint 9 on his lap top based on Ubuntu 10.04 so yep LTS | Jan 16 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | I had to set it up for him, he didn't want to set up himself really or anything like that, so yeah just a consumer really | Jan 16 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | and he kept on nagging me untill I had sorted the lap top out enough to give back and all that, uh :( | Jan 16 00:07 |
| sebsebseb | and then well he only realy goes on Facebook, and some websites, and maybe types something, and well whatever music and photos, basic stuff | Jan 16 00:08 |
| sebsebseb | well he wanted to sync music with his ipod, and uh, and I thought maybe he would mention on Facebook for example, how he was happy lap top was back, and then I could be like, yeah and your using Linux now | Jan 16 00:08 |
| sebsebseb | ,but no mention of lap top at all on Facebook from what I seen, since he obviosuly doesn't care enough to mention it, just a consumer like I am saying | Jan 16 00:08 |
| MinceR | well, fuckerberg probably knows more about that laptop than the user now :> | Jan 16 00:09 |
| sebsebseb | and he would use pretty much any distro I give him really, as long as he could use it for the tasks, but he will probably never really know or understand about software freedom for example | Jan 16 00:09 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: who? oh Facebook guy? | Jan 16 00:09 |
| MinceR | yes, the dumbfuckbook guy | Jan 16 00:09 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah possibily if they look at the Firefox user agent string | Jan 16 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you know | Jan 16 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | do we really want people like that using Desktop Linux? | Jan 16 00:10 |
| MinceR | and possibly run javascript to query more stuff about the machine :> | Jan 16 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | also I helped loads of people from that big Ubuntu channel | Jan 16 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | spent hours with some, some much more than just hours, even, and well | Jan 16 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | most don't even want a online friendship, it sucks | Jan 16 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | they just come there and use for support, it sucks | Jan 16 00:10 |
| MinceR | well, if the choice is between winblows, osx and a version of ubuntu that's full of crap but its applications are compatible with saner gnu/linux distros, i'd still say that i'd prefer the masses to use gnu/linux | Jan 16 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | and why are many of them using Ubuntu in the first place? let's see, to get away from Windows viruses | Jan 16 00:11 |
| MinceR | because it would force the hw and application companies to support gnu/linux | Jan 16 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | yes, but | Jan 16 00:11 |
| sebsebseb | some will only support the most popular distro Ubuntu | Jan 16 00:11 |
| MinceR | which would in turn mean that i get to use a system i can control to do my work and entertainment | Jan 16 00:11 |
| MinceR | i'm really tired of having to use winblows and other m$ crap in certain situations | Jan 16 00:11 |
| MinceR | because the masses give m$ all that leverage | Jan 16 00:12 |
| gnufreex_ | MinceR what distro do you use? | Jan 16 00:12 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah same here realy, even though I don't hate Windows or Microsoft, altough if I am forced to use it, well I won't be happy | Jan 16 00:12 |
| MinceR | kubuntu | Jan 16 00:12 |
| MinceR | i'm planning to switch but i have no time to do the research | Jan 16 00:12 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hmm | Jan 16 00:12 |
| MinceR | then again, i haven't upgraded it since karmic | Jan 16 00:12 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ok wait for Mageia | Jan 16 00:12 |
| MinceR | i'm a bit wary of mageia | Jan 16 00:12 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: for the final, well first version will be just re branded Mandriva really, but | Jan 16 00:12 |
| sebsebseb | yeah it will be a good distro :) | Jan 16 00:13 |
| gnufreex_ | Try Arch | Jan 16 00:13 |
| MinceR | but i guess i'm going to take another look at fedora (and kororaa if it's ready) so i might as well check mageia | Jan 16 00:13 |
| gnufreex_ | :> | Jan 16 00:13 |
| MinceR | i've tried arch, i don't like it | Jan 16 00:13 |
| MinceR | especially their policy against documentation in packages | Jan 16 00:13 |
| MinceR | in fact, i've used arch as my main distro for a while | Jan 16 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well March or April for the final release of Mageia | Jan 16 00:13 |
| MinceR | and went back to kubuntu | Jan 16 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: in the mean time though, Mandriva or even PC Linux OS are very nice KDE distros | Jan 16 00:13 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: that's a point I am running PC Linux OS currently, and yep the KDE and also the Gnome and LXDE and XFCE is all rather nice really | Jan 16 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | no Gnome Shell in the repo though :( | Jan 16 00:14 |
| MinceR | i think i'll move back to the oldschool pick-and-choose desktop | Jan 16 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | which means? | Jan 16 00:14 |
| MinceR | i'll see if i can get reliable compositing with it | Jan 16 00:14 |
| MinceR | it means choosing my own window manager and such | Jan 16 00:14 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway this is kind of funny in a way, you whine about Ubuntu and Canonical, but you well use them really on a daily basis pretty much :D | Jan 16 00:15 |
| MinceR | kde was a supports-all-features kind of thing for a while, but it doesn't seem to be anymore | Jan 16 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yes Kubuntu, but still Ubuntu repos, so yeah to what I am saying | Jan 16 00:15 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes | Jan 16 00:15 |
| MinceR | it's because they used to do a good job | Jan 16 00:15 |
| MinceR | before they went like this | Jan 16 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Jan 16 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu used to be a good distro, and then it started going bad with 9.04 | Jan 16 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | with 9.04 and 9.10 just little things really, but then 10.04 ah! | Jan 16 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | and so on from there | Jan 16 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Linux MInt is nice though, still has the good of Ubuntu really, plus that added user friendly the mint menu, and nice backgrounds by default | Jan 16 00:16 |
| MinceR | 8.04 (hardy) was finally pretty reliable and all | Jan 16 00:16 |
| MinceR | then two pretty bad releases arrived, intrepid (8.10) and jaunty (9.04). karmic (9.10) seemed decent -- but it is not without issues | Jan 16 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: it seems though ever since Canonical has had a design team doing stuff, Ayatana or whatever its called, that things have yep been going bad | Jan 16 00:16 |
| MinceR | intrepid had the way too early switch to kde4 | Jan 16 00:17 |
| sebsebseb | of course most users are to ignorant to know that, but yep to what I am saying | Jan 16 00:17 |
| MinceR | 4.3 in karmic seemed for a long while to be pretty reliable, but problems showed up already | Jan 16 00:17 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah well distros weren't really meant to ship KDE 4.0 like they did | Jan 16 00:17 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 16 00:17 |
| sebsebseb | KDE 4.0 was like a test release really | Jan 16 00:18 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: also Mageia 0 won't be ready for its general audiance going by the wiki | Jan 16 00:18 |
| MinceR | :/ | Jan 16 00:18 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: its about testing the whole build proccess and such, but even so, I think for you it would be a good release, since it will be very similar to Manedriiva 2010.1 just well different branding, and LibreOffice | Jan 16 00:18 |
| sebsebseb | basicalely | Jan 16 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: however in the mean time, the two best KDE distros would be, Mandriva and PC Linux OS, well unless you like OpenSuse :d heh heh | Jan 16 00:19 |
| MinceR | yes, it seems that most of the canonical desktop idiocy is coming from ayatana | Jan 16 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | yes, but also Mark himself here and there | Jan 16 00:19 |
| MinceR | i don't want anything suse | Jan 16 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | I know you don't want suse, hence my heh heh | Jan 16 00:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 16 00:19 |
| MinceR | for now, debian seems to be the most likely contender :> | Jan 16 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | Debian uhmm | Jan 16 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | thats something else | Jan 16 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | I am starting to get annoyed about Debian this that and the other now as well, not just Ubuntu | Jan 16 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | plus is Debian really that great compard to other distros that aren't based on it, nah not realy I guess | Jan 16 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | plus what does Debian do, their choice or not? yep that's right, it helps Ubuntu! | Jan 16 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | it helps a for profit distro!!!! | Jan 16 00:21 |
| MinceR | it seems to be less likely to adopt silly stuff while it's not just silly but also unreliable | Jan 16 00:21 |
| MinceR | debian "helps" many debian-based distros in that way | Jan 16 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | yes Debian is like Ubuntu without the rubbish, since Ubuntu is based on Debian, but uhmm loads of other great distros, Mandriva, PC Linux OS, Fedora, Slackware, Arch, Gentoo, Sabayon,e tc | Jan 16 00:21 |
| MinceR | then again, i'm not sure how long debian can go without being affected by canonical | Jan 16 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah, but its Ubuntu and Debian hype mainly in Desktop Linux world, so hmm :( | Jan 16 00:22 |
| MinceR | i don't see any debian hype | Jan 16 00:22 |
| MinceR | in fact, there's a lot more arch hype than debian hype | Jan 16 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | well its Ubuntu, Fedora, and Debian, this that and the other, mainly Ubuntu and Fedora though | Jan 16 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | and quite a lot of people who used Ubuntu seem to like Arch | Jan 16 00:22 |
| MinceR | fedora becomes likely if i can get it to install with a sane root fs | Jan 16 00:23 |
| MinceR | (ext3 or btrfs, _not_ ext4) | Jan 16 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | uh btrfs isn't exactly ready yet | Jan 16 00:23 |
| MinceR | so ext3 | Jan 16 00:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 16 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | aslo Ext4 | Jan 16 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | works fine in Ubuntu since 9.10 | Jan 16 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | and Fedora since whenever it was now, and other distros since yep | Jan 16 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | Ext4 is fine now | Jan 16 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | and has been for quite a while | Jan 16 00:24 |
| MinceR | ext4 was not designed to reliably store files | Jan 16 00:25 |
| MinceR | ext3 was | Jan 16 00:25 |
| *sebsebseb never had problems with Ext4, even when I tried in Ubuntu 9.04 where it wasn't stable properly yet | Jan 16 00:25 | |
| sebsebseb | since the kernel or wahtever | Jan 16 00:25 |
| MinceR | well, they've hung some hacks on top of it to make it less like blackholefs | Jan 16 00:25 |
| MinceR | which also made its performance about on the level of ext3, if not worse | Jan 16 00:26 |
| MinceR | so what's the point? | Jan 16 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | well | Jan 16 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | btrfs will become the default in most distros eventualley | Jan 16 00:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Jan 16 00:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | assuming it gets finished. | Jan 16 00:29 |
| MinceR | gn | Jan 16 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ok gn | Jan 16 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: why do you think it might not get finnished? | Jan 16 00:33 |
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| qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: anything could happen | Jan 16 03:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: remember Oracle bought SUn, which owns Solaris, which include ZFS, which is already mature and beyond btrfs | Jan 16 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: I am talking to someone rather interesting on IRC tonight | Jan 16 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | at the moment | Jan 16 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | and no not you | Jan 16 03:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | and Chris Mason, dev of btrfs, works for Oracle | Jan 16 03:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | and signs are ambiguous | Jan 16 03:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | also, it will take another 5-odd years to shakedown. remembering that most filesystems we use are 20+ years old (mature) | Jan 16 03:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | unforutnately that also means tehy are obsolete :) | Jan 16 03:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: um, wow. http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/15/2041214 | Jan 16 05:01 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Microsoft Seeks Do-Let-The-Bed-Bugs-Bite Patent - Slashdot .::. Size~: 129.79 KB | Jan 16 05:01 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: did you see the NYT piece? | Jan 16 05:14 |
| schestowitz | Stuxnet.. | Jan 16 05:14 |
| schestowitz | Built by the Israelis with US, German, and British help | Jan 16 05:14 |
| schestowitz | Collateral damage doesn't matter | Jan 16 05:14 |
| schestowitz | Running viruses out there for selfish reasons | Jan 16 05:14 |
| schestowitz | http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE70F08920110116 http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/stuxnet_its_bushs_fault.html | Jan 16 05:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Israel tested worm linked to Iran atom woes - report | World | Reuters .::. Size~: 44.49 KB | Jan 16 05:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: American Thinker: Stuxnet: It's Bush's fault! .::. Size~: 19.14 KB | Jan 16 05:16 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/62295431 | Jan 16 05:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @U Avalos (ikaruga2099)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jan-11 00:36:21 UTC - Identi.ca: @ggoes too unused windows license refund is not more common. @schestowitz | Jan 16 05:25 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/62291063 | Jan 16 05:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Alexandre Oliva (lxoliva)'s status on Saturday, 15-Jan-11 23:19:15 UTC - Identi.ca: @carlopiana @jwildeboer @schestowitz I'd say all bits are created equal, but it would be false. some are 0, some are 1 ;-) | Jan 16 05:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yeah but it was already pretty much concluded re stuxnet | Jan 16 05:29 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jan 16 05:29 |
| schestowitz | But now not just theoretic | Jan 16 05:29 |
| schestowitz | "You're such a conspiracy nut" | Jan 16 05:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | interesting that the nyt ran it. i guess they don't deem it important issue | Jan 16 05:29 |
| schestowitz | [although I never get that] | Jan 16 05:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: we need to look @ the meta-conspiracy... | Jan 16 05:30 |
| schestowitz | Except when I write about tech... | Jan 16 05:30 |
| schestowitz | Even though I'm usually right, e.g. Novell patents | Jan 16 05:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | nite | Jan 16 05:47 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Jan 16 10:18 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: manish was a troll | Jan 16 15:51 |
| schestowitz | I gave him the benefit of the doubt | Jan 16 15:51 |
| schestowitz | You fed the troll | Jan 16 15:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | X-| | Jan 16 16:48 |
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| schestowitz | o/ | Jan 16 17:27 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: the troll from last night.. | Jan 16 17:27 |
| schestowitz | He was digging for dirt | Jan 16 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Provocation for 'material' to post in hack job | Jan 16 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Now he's pimping it everywhere like a kid at the age of 15 who saw a girl naked in a magazine for the first time | Jan 16 17:28 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i know, i was around for part of it. | Jan 16 18:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | no finesse | Jan 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Ah, OK | Jan 16 18:00 |
| schestowitz | "TheVoice" sounds like "TheTruth" aja MUTEX | Jan 16 18:48 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: why didn't you kickban him then? :> | Jan 16 20:59 |
| MinceR | also, it revealed something about canonical | Jan 16 21:00 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: like I told you before, I don't think he works for Canonical | Jan 16 21:27 |
| MinceR | canonical supports him | Jan 16 21:27 |
| MinceR | like i told you before :> | Jan 16 21:28 |
| MinceR | we'll see if this changes after his potential policy violation | Jan 16 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeh | Jan 16 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | oh check out | Jan 16 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | planet ubuntu | Jan 16 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | someone else has replied to it, but to do with identica | Jan 16 21:31 |
| sebsebseb | also that article has a lot more comments now, let's check it out | Jan 16 21:34 |
| MinceR | i'm doing so | Jan 16 21:51 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: Well, he is Ubuntu Dick | Jan 16 21:58 |
| gnufreex | So he's endorsed by Canonical | Jan 16 21:59 |
| gnufreex | I'm sorry, I meant Member. | Jan 16 21:59 |
| MinceR | lol | Jan 16 21:59 |
| MinceR | well said | Jan 16 21:59 |
| gnufreex | :> | Jan 16 22:00 |
| gnufreex | Most commenters are mobbyists and linsux trolls. | Jan 16 22:01 |
| gnufreex | They probably linked it there. | Jan 16 22:01 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/62355103 https://identi.ca/notice/62358519 | Jan 16 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jan-11 20:43:18 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz: Can you dent a link to the Techrights #IRC channel? | Jan 16 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jan-11 22:00:04 UTC - Identi.ca: @bobjonkman sure, but what about specifically? | Jan 16 22:04 |
| schestowitz | BobJonkman: oh hi! | Jan 16 22:04 |
| schestowitz | I was just replying in identca | Jan 16 22:04 |
| schestowitz | *identica | Jan 16 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Then I saw you here | Jan 16 22:04 |
| BobJonkman | Yup, I was looking for something like irc://irc.freenode.net/#techrights | Jan 16 22:05 |
| BobJonkman | But I found it :-) | Jan 16 22:05 |
| schestowitz | What's new? | Jan 16 22:05 |
| BobJonkman | Just reading your article about GroupWise, and Monotrolls | Jan 16 22:06 |
| BobJonkman | I was a GW admin for many years, and was sad to see Novell drop the ball on GW and a F/LOSS implementation of GroupWise. | Jan 16 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see now... https://identi.ca/notice/62358930 | Jan 16 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Bob Jonkman (bobjonkman)'s status on Sunday, 16-Jan-11 22:09:24 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz: I found info on Techrights #IRC channel at http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ | Jan 16 22:13 |
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| schestowitz | BobJonkman: I think it's still profitable (GW) | Jan 16 22:13 |
| schestowitz | And Gwavacon is on | Jan 16 22:13 |
| BobJonkman | :) Dented mere seconds ago, to keep identicats in the loop | Jan 16 22:13 |
| schestowitz | It's netware that's at risk | Jan 16 22:13 |
| BobJonkman | Netware has been a dead horse for many years. Novell relied on their NDS tools ported to SLES, which seemed to me to be a good strategy | Jan 16 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Novell is basically facing some problems and I'll soon catch up with more recent news from them. They lose customer confidence. | Jan 16 22:14 |
| schestowitz | As for the Mono thing, it's Microsoft's stuff | Jan 16 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Novell thought it would appeal to admins by going with Linux | Jan 16 22:15 |
| BobJonkman | And, FWIW, as a corporate customer, the Novell agreement with Novell (in 2006?) made a lot of corporate execs comfortable with Novell's move to a Linux-based platform | Jan 16 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Instead it pissed many of them off by trying to put Microsoft inside Linux (Mono, OOXML, etc) | Jan 16 22:15 |
| schestowitz | The people whom you see abusing me are Microsoft proponents a lot of the time | Jan 16 22:16 |
| BobJonkman | Personally, I was not too thrilled with the Novell/Microsoft alliance. | Jan 16 22:16 |
| schestowitz | BobJonkman: for Linux they could use RHEL | Jan 16 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Novell made up new 'reasons' | Jan 16 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Put new 'dangers' on the table | Jan 16 22:16 |
| schestowitz | "IP peace of mind" | Jan 16 22:16 |
| BobJonkman | In the Novell-based shop there were Solaris servers, and a handful of 'rogue' Linux servers (maybe RH, maybe something else). Corporate direction was towards SLES as a replacement for Netware | Jan 16 22:17 |
| BobJonkman | That "IP peace of mind" made a big difference where I worked. | Jan 16 22:18 |
| BobJonkman | I think GW was one of the few profit centres that Novell still has (had). Netware licenses, and the maintenance/upgrade protection was quickly being replaced with Microsoft, even in the mostly Netware shop where I worked | Jan 16 22:20 |
| BobJonkman | I'm not sure if SLES/SLED was ever profitable for Novell. | Jan 16 22:20 |
| gnufreex | It was not. | Jan 16 22:24 |
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| gnufreex | Still isn't | Jan 16 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | They say it is now | Jan 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | But it's hard to tell if they play the bucket game | Jan 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | They also fired many SUSE employees to reward Ronnie with his annual $6 million *bonus* | Jan 16 22:32 |
| schestowitz | just done a gnu octave video | Jan 16 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I didn't prepare anything, so it's kind of blech... just 10 minutes all over the place | Jan 16 22:32 |
| MinceR | novell worked pretty hard to prevent suse from being profitable | Jan 16 22:37 |
| MinceR | what with attacking their target audience and all | Jan 16 22:37 |
| MinceR | besides, suse sucked pretty hard even before novell bought it | Jan 16 22:38 |
| BobJonkman | I found SUSE to be much more usable after Novell started influencing its development. | Jan 16 22:39 |
| BobJonkman | But even so, I'm using an Ubuntu desktop and not SUSE, even though the only formal courses I've taken were for SUSE (SLES 9.2/9.3) | Jan 16 22:40 |
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| gnufreex | <schestowitz> They say it is now | Jan 16 22:54 |
| gnufreex | I thik they said it reached break even point. | Jan 16 22:54 |
| gnufreex | But that was before aquisition. | Jan 16 22:54 |
| gnufreex | It probably gone down again. | Jan 16 22:55 |
| gnufreex | Break even don't mean profits. | Jan 16 22:55 |
| schestowitz | it means it broke novell | Jan 16 22:56 |
| schestowitz | like a camel's back | Jan 16 22:56 |
| gnufreex | lol | Jan 16 22:56 |
| gnufreex | But serisously, that is why Novell never cared about future of Free SOftware. | Jan 16 22:57 |
| gnufreex | It never made money for them | Jan 16 22:57 |
| gnufreex | So if they poison it with patents | Jan 16 22:57 |
| gnufreex | no big deal | Jan 16 22:57 |
| gnufreex | They just dump it | Jan 16 22:57 |
| gnufreex | They might even did it on purpose./ | Jan 16 22:57 |
| gnufreex | Since Free Sofware threatens their core bussines. | Jan 16 22:58 |
| gnufreex | So distroy it from inside. | Jan 16 22:58 |
| gnufreex | ***typos everywhere | Jan 16 22:58 |
| MinceR | novell didn't have a future | Jan 16 23:01 |
| MinceR | they could have bought one with suse, but they decided to shit all over it instead | Jan 16 23:01 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm is feeding the troll. | Jan 16 23:15 |
| MinceR | he's making pretty good arguments | Jan 16 23:15 |
| gnufreex | Yeah he does. | Jan 16 23:16 |
| gnufreex | But that don't matter | Jan 16 23:16 |
| gnufreex | they are going to pervert it. | Jan 16 23:16 |
| gnufreex | Better ignore such idiots. | Jan 16 23:16 |
| MinceR | not to the m$ fanboys, but it might matter to actual free software supporters | Jan 16 23:16 |
| gnufreex | True | Jan 16 23:17 |
| MinceR | and to people who are undecided | Jan 16 23:17 |
| MinceR | funny how the troll tries to wriggle out of the fact that he insulted all identica users | Jan 16 23:24 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Jan 16 23:25 |
| schestowitz | yeah, silly that | Jan 16 23:25 |
| schestowitz | identica is FS types | Jan 16 23:25 |
| schestowitz | He just shows he's like Senor MVP | Jan 16 23:25 |
| schestowitz | strictly twitter-only, like all other Microsoft employees | Jan 16 23:25 |
| MinceR | "As for those who bother about second hand smoking … i have to ask you why you spend your time in others smoke? you can always spend it in the forest where there is plenty clean air." | Jan 16 23:32 |
| MinceR | what a douche | Jan 16 23:32 |
| schestowitz | doug SHHHH!! | Jan 16 23:37 |
| schestowitz | gn | Jan 16 23:37 |
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