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| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: hi | Feb 01 03:25 |
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| BobJonkman | hi sebsebseb | Feb 01 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | New here? | Feb 01 03:26 |
| BobJonkman | Fairly new. | Feb 01 03:26 |
| BobJonkman | First logged in just over a week ago | Feb 01 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: hmm ok | Feb 01 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm | Feb 01 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: well you probably want our other channel as well #techrights | Feb 01 03:29 |
| BobJonkman | Yup, it's on my list, but not as auto-join. | Feb 01 03:29 |
| BobJonkman | too much bot traffic ... | Feb 01 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but how did you find us? | Feb 01 03:30 |
| BobJonkman | Through the Techrights blog; there's a page pointing to the IRC channels. | Feb 01 03:30 |
| BobJonkman | Took me a while to find it, tho. | Feb 01 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | oh right | Feb 01 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | So you liked what was on techrights or? | Feb 01 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | the blog | Feb 01 03:31 |
| BobJonkman | I've been reading Techrights on and off for a while. I used to be a Netware admin, and was quite the Novell fanboi | Feb 01 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: oh | Feb 01 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | They used to use Netware at school | Feb 01 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | and I didn't really know much about Novell then of course, but | Feb 01 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | seemed ok, you know | Feb 01 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | maybe they still use it, probably not though | Feb 01 03:36 |
| BobJonkman | Netware was really advanced for its time. Still the best datapump going (network-to-disk throughput) | Feb 01 03:36 |
| BobJonkman | Sadly, Novell dropped the ball. Couldn't market their way out of a paper bag. | Feb 01 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: well its since the patents deal with Microsoft | Feb 01 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | and Mono being started | Feb 01 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | and to some extent even Moonlight the alternative to Silverlight I guess | Feb 01 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | why schestowitz and some others who come to #techrights and some to here as well | Feb 01 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | don't like Novell | Feb 01 03:37 |
| BobJonkman | Shortly after Novell bought SUSE I was in a meeting with some Novell execs, and told them "Don't screw this up like you screwed up WordPerfect" | Feb 01 03:38 |
| BobJonkman | Didn't make many friends that way | Feb 01 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: yeah the patents deal with Microsoft, about the Linux kernel apparantly braking 235 of Mirosoft's patents | Feb 01 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | so they make a deal so Suse won't be sued | Feb 01 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | hmm so have you worked for Novell before? Or? | Feb 01 03:39 |
| BobJonkman | The Novell-Microsoft patent deal was great for corporate customer execs -- they didn't have to worry about the liability of using this new Linux thing | Feb 01 03:39 |
| sebsebseb | maybe so, but was only for Suse | Feb 01 03:40 |
| sebsebseb | not all the other distros as well | Feb 01 03:40 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: I am not sure exactly, but I think recently Micrsofot may have even said about a lot of these patents, and its already been worked around in the Linux kernel | Feb 01 03:40 |
| BobJonkman | No, I've never worked on Novell's payroll. Worked as a Netware admin in a customer shop. Done some private consulting | Feb 01 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | as for Linux well not so new goes back to like 1993 or 1991 | Feb 01 03:41 |
| BobJonkman | SUSE would have been the preferred Linux distro in Netware shops. | Feb 01 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah I guess | Feb 01 03:41 |
| BobJonkman | The last couple of versions of Netware saw a lot of convergence with the SUSE/Linux way of doing things | Feb 01 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Feb 01 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: on the subject of fanboys, I used to be quite the Ubuntu fan boys, but then things started going bad with that distro, most users have no idea though | Feb 01 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | and well yeah times change | Feb 01 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | things change | Feb 01 03:43 |
| BobJonkman | Netware became the kernel for a set of tools for NDS (eDirectory), using the Netware file system. | Feb 01 03:43 |
| sebsebseb | thankfuly plenty of other good alternative distros out there :) and all that so yeah :) | Feb 01 03:43 |
| BobJonkman | The latest version of Netware Enterprise server had exactly the same services as SUSE Enterprise Server, just with a different kernel | Feb 01 03:43 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Feb 01 03:44 |
| BobJonkman | I'm still using Ubuntu, but I can see where they're headed. Haven't found another desktop distro I like, tho. | Feb 01 03:44 |
| sebsebseb | well | Feb 01 03:44 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia is the one I am waiting for :) | Feb 01 03:45 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva fork | Feb 01 03:45 |
| sebsebseb | in the mean time other computer is still Mandriva, and this one is PC Linux OS at the moment :) | Feb 01 03:45 |
| BobJonkman | I installed my first Debian distro around 1996, but there was really nothing I could do with it. Ubuntu was the first really usable distro for me. | Feb 01 03:45 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah both distros are great really Mandriva and PC Linux OS, and similar as well, since PC Linux OS started off as a fork of Mandriva | Feb 01 03:45 |
| BobJonkman | I've got a Mandriva 2010 disk laying around; should plug it in again. | Feb 01 03:46 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah stuff like that, how Debian wasn't really that user friendly | Feb 01 03:46 |
| sebsebseb | and then Ubuntu comes along and yeah a Debian based user friendly distro | Feb 01 03:46 |
| sebsebseb | and of course a lot of the people who were using Linux distros then, were using Debian, and then Shuttleworth's money and all that as well | Feb 01 03:47 |
| sebsebseb | and the free CD's of Ubuntu | Feb 01 03:47 |
| sebsebseb | and Mandrake/Mandriva having company issues, so losing quite a lot of users | Feb 01 03:47 |
| sebsebseb | and all that, so yep Ubuntu became the most popular distro on desktop instead of Mandriva | Feb 01 03:47 |
| BobJonkman | Lots of Mandriva users in my LUG | Feb 01 03:47 |
| sebsebseb | oh interesting | Feb 01 03:48 |
| sebsebseb | I have been told by peopel on IRC about how their LUG's are hijacked by Ubuntu people | Feb 01 03:48 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah Mandriva company issues, being sued over the old name for a start Mandrake | Feb 01 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | communication issues between company and community, new investors, and a lot of people losing their job and that kind of thing | Feb 01 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | still a fine distro though :) | Feb 01 03:49 |
| BobJonkman | We've got a separate, active Ubuntu community. Lots of overlap in the LUG, but we all get along. | Feb 01 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am realy looking forward to the fork being well ready for a lot of users, the one started by ex Mandriva developers and such | Feb 01 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | and it will be a 100% community distro with a non profit organisation as well, so yeah like Debian | Feb 01 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | and rely on donations | Feb 01 03:50 |
| BobJonkman | I'm not so much tied to Ubuntu, but I really like the social aspects of the Ubuntu community. Release parties, Ubuntu Hours, Bug Jams. | Feb 01 03:50 |
| sebsebseb | I haven't done the in person stuff | Feb 01 03:51 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah | Feb 01 03:52 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: some of the stuff they do is awesome | Feb 01 03:52 |
| sebsebseb | it was user days recently for example | Feb 01 03:52 |
| BobJonkman | Yup, I lurked in the ubuntu-classroom channel | Feb 01 03:54 |
| sebsebseb | I want to help Mageia do community stuff :) | Feb 01 03:57 |
| sebsebseb | proper community stuff in the future :) | Feb 01 03:57 |
| sebsebseb | ,but well got to wait for a first proper version of the distro and such first | Feb 01 03:57 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: hmm so you weren't in the classroom chat channel? | Feb 01 04:00 |
| BobJonkman | So set up Mageia Hours; Just say you'll be in some coffee shop at such-and-such a time, working on Mageia, ready to answer questions and such | Feb 01 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: yeah, but | Feb 01 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | it will be a while yet | Feb 01 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | I mean | Feb 01 04:00 |
| BobJonkman | I was in the ubuntu-classroom and ubuntu-classroom-chat channels, but didn't contribute | Feb 01 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | we don't have a ISO just yet for alpha 1 of what will be the first release, which is really a test release as well | Feb 01 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | a re brand of Mageia | Feb 01 04:00 |
| sebsebseb | BobJonkman: did you see jcastro get annoyed at me then? :D | Feb 01 04:00 |
| BobJonkman | No, I was AFK for much of it. Got the logs, tho. | Feb 01 04:01 |
| sebsebseb | I only take part in some of these sessions, since to expereinced with Ubuntu | Feb 01 04:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:07] <gnufreex> Hey... What's the story about that spying thing? You said it will be on monday... just checking. | Feb 01 04:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:10] <schestowitz> delay in that.. | Feb 01 04:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:16] <gnufreex> ok | Feb 01 04:56 |
| MinceR | 042611 < BobJonkman> too much bot traffic ... | Feb 01 06:33 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 01 06:33 |
| MinceR | where are the logs of jcastro getting annoyed? | Feb 01 06:34 |
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| gnufreex | http://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/01/open-source-policy-pleases-red-hat-linux-australia/ | Feb 01 11:16 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Feb 01 13:13 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell | Feb 01 13:13 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Feb 01 13:13 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm.. my colleague said I'd be able to install MATLAB at home to also work remotely. Is there a disc/licence that can be used to achieve that? | Feb 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I might have to use MATLAB and not Octave | Feb 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | No PCA | Feb 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/24322-principal-component-analysis-pca-in-matlab http://www.mathworks.com/help/toolbox/stats/princomp.html | Feb 01 14:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: MATLAB Central - File detail - Principal Component Analysis (PCA) in MATLAB .::. Size~: 23.2 KB | Feb 01 14:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Principal component analysis (PCA) on data - MATLAB .::. Size~: 35.59 KB | Feb 01 14:49 |
| schestowitz | http://osdir.com/ml/gnu.octave.general/2004-05/msg00054.html | Feb 01 14:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Re: how can I do Principal Components Analysis with octave? - msg#00054 - gnu.octave.general .::. Size~: 31.46 KB | Feb 01 14:49 |
| MinceR | if not, maybe you could use it over VNC and/or SSH | Feb 01 15:03 |
| schestowitz | MATLAB? | Feb 01 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Too slow | Feb 01 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Unless I do this in 100mbit local ethernet | Feb 01 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Or use no GUI stuff | Feb 01 15:06 |
| schestowitz | with FOSS you just download a copy | Feb 01 15:07 |
| MinceR | ic | Feb 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | This one is a PITA, I prefer working from home | Feb 01 15:07 |
| schestowitz | I'm defecting back from tea to coffee today... to sleep less | Feb 01 15:58 |
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| schestowitz | Today I saw why some Windows admins hate Linux | Feb 01 16:48 |
| schestowitz | They become n00bs again | Feb 01 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Trying to hype addresses like "//NET ADDRESS" into the prompt (alt+f2) | Feb 01 16:48 |
| schestowitz | *type | Feb 01 16:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dspolleke/status/32476101594849281 | Feb 01 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @dspolleke: @schestowitz @richslxh don't forget Scalix.. it Rocks! (written by HP way back..) | Feb 01 16:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/janstedehouder/status/32476409955876865 | Feb 01 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @janstedehouder: @schestowitz In 5 minutes? It takes that much time to download and install Vbox alone, on a very fast machine. | Feb 01 16:49 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/63452916 | Feb 01 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:49:37 UTC - Identi.ca: @janstedehouder it was already installed. Wasn't my box. | Feb 01 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/janstedehouder/status/32482046546812929 | Feb 01 17:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @janstedehouder: @schestowitz See, it's all in the details ;) For my readers I need to understand their Windows baseline, and 7 is better than XP. | Feb 01 17:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/janstedehouder/status/32483367890976768 | Feb 01 17:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @janstedehouder: @schestowitz The only OS I rejected within 5 minutes was Ultumix. Still remember the vicious comments on my review. | Feb 01 17:05 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/63453749 | Feb 01 17:06 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 17:05:50 UTC - Identi.ca: @janstedehouder Hehe. I'm sure this one is retired... long ago. :-) | Feb 01 17:06 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/janstedehouder/status/32486348636037120 | Feb 01 17:14 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @janstedehouder: @schestowitz You know what, he didn't retire. He rebranded Ultumix, found it a few months ago. Almost wrote about it. | Feb 01 17:14 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: they never stopped being n00bs | Feb 01 18:14 |
| MinceR | winblows made them believe they know something, but winblows hides the important stuff from everyone | Feb 01 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I love it... | Feb 01 18:20 |
| schestowitz | The people who patronise others in Windows turn into n00bs and then they shamefully ask the *users* for help | Feb 01 18:20 |
| schestowitz | They try hard not to embarrass themselves | Feb 01 18:20 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/63451959 | Feb 01 18:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:31:35 UTC - Identi.ca: ♺ @anonymouse ♺ @seraphyn: !debian Oldest bug closed ever http://ur1.ca/32nnb #links #debian | Feb 01 18:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Oldest bug closed ever .::. Size~: 3.4 KB | Feb 01 18:54 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/63449566 | Feb 01 18:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 15:52:22 UTC - Identi.ca: @tedks yeah, but you phrased it cleverly | Feb 01 18:58 |
| schestowitz | re " If you're implying the comrade in question is me, you're wrong. I just assumed file requests would be filed in my file." | Feb 01 18:58 |
| schestowitz | comrade... | Feb 01 18:58 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/63447698 | Feb 01 19:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 15:19:05 UTC - Identi.ca: @tedks oh I see what you did there. Clever. | Feb 01 19:00 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz a comrade of mine is about to request his file again to see if his first request for his file is in it" | Feb 01 19:00 |
| schestowitz | > What you think about 1. 2. 3. 4. about Microsoft mistakes about which | Feb 01 19:06 |
| schestowitz | > I write yesterday? | Feb 01 19:06 |
| schestowitz | > How you think. Need your opinnion. | Feb 01 19:06 |
| schestowitz | See yesterday's IRC logs. We discussed your points. | Feb 01 19:06 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Feb 01 19:06 |
| MinceR | http://www.motivatorscompanyblog.com/image.axd?picture=Too-Cool-to-Do-Drugs-Pencil.jpg | Feb 01 19:08 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Feb 01 19:09 |
| schestowitz | So afterwards you can just inhale the "Drugs" | Feb 01 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEWVt6xyjLU | Feb 01 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://yoyodawgdawg.com/10/yo-dawg-hiding http://www.chibiz.mybbnew.com/showthread.php?tid=233 | Feb 01 23:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Yo Dawg Macros // Hiding .::. Size~: 4.04 KB | Feb 01 23:44 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Now I am even more disapointed with Virgin TV | Feb 01 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Feb 01 23:56 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/63477118 | Feb 01 23:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @qu1j0t3's status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 23:55:37 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Good analogy. What the US is doing is offering a can of Coke to a thirsty man. Water is the answer, not a cocktail of shit. | Feb 01 23:57 |
| schestowitz | I'd say artificial chemical mixes | Feb 01 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: apparnatly Virgin sold their TV wing to Sky | Feb 01 23:59 |
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