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sebsebsebBobJonkman: hiFeb 01 03:25
BobJonkmanhi sebsebsebFeb 01 03:26
sebsebsebNew here?Feb 01 03:26
BobJonkmanFairly new.Feb 01 03:26
BobJonkmanFirst logged in just over a week agoFeb 01 03:26
sebsebsebBobJonkman: hmm okFeb 01 03:28
sebsebsebuhmmFeb 01 03:28
sebsebsebBobJonkman: well you probably want our other channel as well #techrightsFeb 01 03:29
BobJonkmanYup, it's on my list, but not as auto-join.Feb 01 03:29
BobJonkmantoo much bot traffic ...Feb 01 03:30
sebsebseb,but how did you find us?Feb 01 03:30
BobJonkmanThrough the Techrights blog; there's a page pointing to the IRC channels.Feb 01 03:30
BobJonkmanTook me a while to find it, tho.Feb 01 03:30
sebsebseboh rightFeb 01 03:31
sebsebsebSo you liked what was on techrights or?Feb 01 03:31
sebsebsebthe blogFeb 01 03:31
BobJonkmanI've been reading Techrights on and off for a while.  I used to be a Netware admin, and was quite the Novell fanboiFeb 01 03:35
sebsebsebBobJonkman: ohFeb 01 03:35
sebsebsebThey used to use Netware at schoolFeb 01 03:35
sebsebseband I didn't really know much about Novell  then of course, butFeb 01 03:35
sebsebsebseemed ok, you knowFeb 01 03:35
sebsebsebmaybe they still use it, probably not thoughFeb 01 03:36
BobJonkmanNetware was really advanced for its time.  Still the best datapump going (network-to-disk throughput)Feb 01 03:36
BobJonkmanSadly, Novell dropped the ball.  Couldn't market their way out of a paper bag.Feb 01 03:37
sebsebsebBobJonkman: well its since the patents deal with MicrosoftFeb 01 03:37
sebsebseband Mono being startedFeb 01 03:37
sebsebseband to some extent even Moonlight the alternative to Silverlight I guessFeb 01 03:37
sebsebsebwhy schestowitz and some others who come to #techrights and some to here as wellFeb 01 03:37
sebsebsebdon't like NovellFeb 01 03:37
BobJonkmanShortly after Novell bought SUSE I was in a meeting with some Novell execs, and told them "Don't screw this up like you screwed up WordPerfect"Feb 01 03:38
BobJonkmanDidn't make many friends that wayFeb 01 03:38
sebsebsebBobJonkman: yeah the patents deal with Microsoft, about the Linux kernel apparantly braking 235 of Mirosoft's patentsFeb 01 03:38
sebsebsebso they make a deal so Suse won't be suedFeb 01 03:38
sebsebsebhmm so have you worked for Novell before? Or?Feb 01 03:39
BobJonkmanThe Novell-Microsoft patent deal was great for corporate customer execs -- they didn't have to worry about the liability of using this new Linux thingFeb 01 03:39
sebsebsebmaybe so, but was only for SuseFeb 01 03:40
sebsebsebnot all the other distros as wellFeb 01 03:40
sebsebsebBobJonkman: I am not sure exactly, but I think recently Micrsofot may have even said about a lot of these patents, and its already been worked around in the Linux kernelFeb 01 03:40
BobJonkmanNo, I've never worked on Novell's payroll.  Worked as a Netware admin in a customer shop.  Done some private consultingFeb 01 03:41
sebsebsebas for Linux well not so new goes back to like 1993 or 1991Feb 01 03:41
BobJonkmanSUSE would have been the preferred Linux distro in Netware shops.Feb 01 03:41
sebsebsebwell yeah I guessFeb 01 03:41
BobJonkmanThe last couple of versions of Netware saw a lot of convergence with the SUSE/Linux way of doing thingsFeb 01 03:41
sebsebseboh?Feb 01 03:42
sebsebsebBobJonkman: on the subject of fanboys, I used to be quite the Ubuntu fan boys, but then things started going bad with that distro, most users have no idea thoughFeb 01 03:42
sebsebseband well yeah times changeFeb 01 03:42
sebsebsebthings changeFeb 01 03:43
BobJonkmanNetware became the kernel for a set of tools for NDS (eDirectory), using the Netware file system.Feb 01 03:43
sebsebsebthankfuly plenty of other good alternative distros out there :) and all that so yeah :)Feb 01 03:43
BobJonkmanThe latest version of Netware Enterprise server had exactly the same services as SUSE Enterprise Server, just with a different kernelFeb 01 03:43
sebsebseboh okFeb 01 03:44
BobJonkmanI'm still using Ubuntu, but I can see where they're headed.  Haven't found another desktop distro I like, tho.Feb 01 03:44
sebsebsebwellFeb 01 03:44
sebsebsebMageia is the one I am waiting for :)Feb 01 03:45
sebsebsebMandriva forkFeb 01 03:45
sebsebsebin the mean time other computer is still Mandriva, and this one is PC Linux OS at the moment :)Feb 01 03:45
BobJonkmanI installed my first Debian distro around 1996, but there was really nothing I could do with it.  Ubuntu was the first really usable distro for me.Feb 01 03:45
sebsebseband yeah both distros are great really Mandriva and PC Linux OS, and similar as well, since PC Linux OS started off as a fork of MandrivaFeb 01 03:45
BobJonkmanI've got a Mandriva 2010 disk laying around; should plug it in again.Feb 01 03:46
sebsebsebwell yeah stuff like that, how Debian wasn't really that user friendlyFeb 01 03:46
sebsebseband then Ubuntu comes along and yeah a Debian based user friendly distroFeb 01 03:46
sebsebseband of course a lot of the  people who  were using Linux distros then, were using Debian, and then Shuttleworth's money and all that as wellFeb 01 03:47
sebsebseband the free CD's of UbuntuFeb 01 03:47
sebsebseband Mandrake/Mandriva having company issues, so losing quite a lot of usersFeb 01 03:47
sebsebseband all that, so yep Ubuntu became the most popular distro on desktop instead of MandrivaFeb 01 03:47
BobJonkmanLots of Mandriva users in my LUGFeb 01 03:47
sebsebseboh interestingFeb 01 03:48
sebsebsebI have been told by peopel on IRC about how their LUG's are hijacked by Ubuntu peopleFeb 01 03:48
sebsebsebso yeah Mandriva company issues, being sued over the old name for a start MandrakeFeb 01 03:49
sebsebsebcommunication issues between company and community,  new investors, and a lot of people losing their job and that kind of thingFeb 01 03:49
sebsebsebstill a fine distro though :)Feb 01 03:49
BobJonkmanWe've got a separate, active Ubuntu community.  Lots of overlap in the LUG, but we all get along.Feb 01 03:50
sebsebseb,but I am realy looking forward to the fork being well ready for a lot of users,  the one started by ex Mandriva  developers and suchFeb 01 03:50
sebsebseband it will be a 100% community distro with a non profit organisation as well, so yeah like DebianFeb 01 03:50
sebsebseband rely on donationsFeb 01 03:50
BobJonkmanI'm not so much tied to Ubuntu, but I really like the social aspects of the Ubuntu community.  Release parties, Ubuntu Hours, Bug Jams.Feb 01 03:50
sebsebsebI haven't done the in person stuffFeb 01 03:51
sebsebseb,but yeahFeb 01 03:52
sebsebsebBobJonkman: some of the stuff they do is awesomeFeb 01 03:52
sebsebsebit was user days recently for exampleFeb 01 03:52
BobJonkmanYup, I lurked in the ubuntu-classroom channelFeb 01 03:54
sebsebsebI want to help Mageia do community stuff :)Feb 01 03:57
sebsebsebproper community stuff in the future :)Feb 01 03:57
sebsebseb,but well got to wait for a first proper version of the distro and such firstFeb 01 03:57
sebsebsebBobJonkman: hmm so you weren't in the classroom chat channel?Feb 01 04:00
BobJonkmanSo set up Mageia Hours;  Just say you'll be in some coffee shop at such-and-such a time, working on Mageia, ready to answer questions and suchFeb 01 04:00
sebsebsebBobJonkman: yeah, butFeb 01 04:00
sebsebsebit will be a while yetFeb 01 04:00
sebsebsebI meanFeb 01 04:00
BobJonkmanI was in the ubuntu-classroom and ubuntu-classroom-chat channels, but didn't contributeFeb 01 04:00
sebsebsebwe don't have a ISO just yet for alpha 1 of what will be the first release, which is really a test release as wellFeb 01 04:00
sebsebseba re brand of MageiaFeb 01 04:00
sebsebsebBobJonkman: did you see jcastro get annoyed at me then? :DFeb 01 04:00
BobJonkmanNo, I was AFK for much of it.  Got the logs, tho.Feb 01 04:01
sebsebsebI only take part in some of these sessions, since to expereinced with UbuntuFeb 01 04:02
schestowitz[21:07] <gnufreex> Hey... What's the story about that spying thing? You said it will be on monday... just checking.Feb 01 04:56
schestowitz[21:10] <schestowitz> delay in that..Feb 01 04:56
schestowitz[21:16] <gnufreex> okFeb 01 04:56
MinceR042611 < BobJonkman> too much bot traffic ...Feb 01 06:33
MinceRindeedFeb 01 06:33
MinceRwhere are the logs of jcastro getting annoyed?Feb 01 06:34
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gnufreexhttp://delimiter.com.au/2011/02/01/open-source-policy-pleases-red-hat-linux-australia/Feb 01 11:16
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Delimiter  – Open source policy pleases Red Hat, Linux Australia .::. Size~: 52.88 KBFeb 01 11:16
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*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovellFeb 01 13:13
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010Feb 01 13:13
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schestowitzHmmm.. my colleague said I'd be able to install MATLAB at home to also work remotely. Is there a disc/licence that can be used to achieve that?Feb 01 14:49
schestowitzI might have to use MATLAB and not OctaveFeb 01 14:49
schestowitzNo PCAFeb 01 14:49
schestowitzhttp://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/24322-principal-component-analysis-pca-in-matlab http://www.mathworks.com/help/toolbox/stats/princomp.htmlFeb 01 14:49
TechrightsBot-scTitle: MATLAB Central - File detail - Principal Component Analysis (PCA) in MATLAB .::. Size~: 23.2 KBFeb 01 14:49
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Principal component analysis (PCA) on data - MATLAB .::. Size~: 35.59 KBFeb 01 14:49
schestowitzhttp://osdir.com/ml/gnu.octave.general/2004-05/msg00054.htmlFeb 01 14:49
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  Re: how can I do Principal Components Analysis with octave? - msg#00054 - gnu.octave.general .::. Size~: 31.46 KBFeb 01 14:49
MinceRif not, maybe you could use it over VNC and/or SSHFeb 01 15:03
schestowitzMATLAB?Feb 01 15:06
schestowitzToo slowFeb 01 15:06
schestowitzUnless I do this in 100mbit local ethernetFeb 01 15:06
schestowitzOr use no GUI stuffFeb 01 15:06
schestowitzwith FOSS you just download a copyFeb 01 15:07
MinceRicFeb 01 15:07
schestowitzThis one is a PITA, I prefer working from homeFeb 01 15:07
schestowitzI'm defecting back from tea to coffee today... to sleep lessFeb 01 15:58
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schestowitzToday I saw why some Windows admins hate LinuxFeb 01 16:48
schestowitzThey become n00bs againFeb 01 16:48
schestowitzTrying to hype addresses like "//NET ADDRESS" into the prompt (alt+f2)Feb 01 16:48
schestowitz*typeFeb 01 16:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dspolleke/status/32476101594849281Feb 01 16:49
TechrightsBot-sc@dspolleke: @schestowitz @richslxh don't forget Scalix.. it Rocks! (written by HP way back..)Feb 01 16:49
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/janstedehouder/status/32476409955876865Feb 01 16:49
TechrightsBot-sc@janstedehouder: @schestowitz In 5 minutes? It takes that much time to download and install Vbox alone, on a very fast machine.Feb 01 16:49
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/63452916Feb 01 16:49
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:49:37 UTC - Identi.ca: @janstedehouder it was already installed. Wasn't my box.Feb 01 16:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/janstedehouder/status/32482046546812929Feb 01 17:05
TechrightsBot-sc@janstedehouder: @schestowitz See, it's all in the details  ;) For my readers I need to understand their Windows baseline, and 7 is better than XP.Feb 01 17:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/janstedehouder/status/32483367890976768Feb 01 17:05
TechrightsBot-sc@janstedehouder: @schestowitz The only OS I rejected within 5 minutes was Ultumix. Still remember the vicious comments on my review.Feb 01 17:05
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/63453749Feb 01 17:06
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 17:05:50 UTC - Identi.ca: @janstedehouder Hehe. I'm sure this one is retired... long ago. :-)Feb 01 17:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/janstedehouder/status/32486348636037120Feb 01 17:14
TechrightsBot-sc@janstedehouder: @schestowitz You know what, he didn't retire. He rebranded Ultumix, found it a few months ago. Almost wrote about it.Feb 01 17:14
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MinceRschestowitz: they never stopped being n00bsFeb 01 18:14
MinceRwinblows made them believe they know something, but winblows hides the important stuff from everyoneFeb 01 18:14
schestowitzAnyway, I love it...Feb 01 18:20
schestowitzThe people who patronise others in Windows turn into n00bs and then they shamefully ask the *users* for helpFeb 01 18:20
schestowitzThey try hard not to embarrass themselvesFeb 01 18:20
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/63451959Feb 01 18:54
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 16:31:35 UTC - Identi.ca: ♺ @anonymouse ♺ @seraphyn: !debian Oldest bug closed ever http://ur1.ca/32nnb #links #debianFeb 01 18:54
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Oldest bug closed ever .::. Size~: 3.4 KBFeb 01 18:54
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/63449566Feb 01 18:57
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 15:52:22 UTC - Identi.ca: @tedks yeah, but you phrased it cleverlyFeb 01 18:58
schestowitzre " If you're implying the comrade in question is me, you're wrong. I just assumed file requests would be filed in my file."Feb 01 18:58
schestowitzcomrade...Feb 01 18:58
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/63447698Feb 01 19:00
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 15:19:05 UTC - Identi.ca: @tedks oh I see what you did there. Clever.Feb 01 19:00
schestowitz"@schestowitz a comrade of mine is about to request his file again to see if his first request for his file is in it"Feb 01 19:00
schestowitz> What you think about 1. 2. 3. 4. about Microsoft mistakes about whichFeb 01 19:06
schestowitz> I write yesterday?Feb 01 19:06
schestowitz> How you think. Need your opinnion.Feb 01 19:06
schestowitzSee yesterday's IRC logs. We discussed your points.Feb 01 19:06
schestowitz:-)Feb 01 19:06
MinceRhttp://www.motivatorscompanyblog.com/image.axd?picture=Too-Cool-to-Do-Drugs-Pencil.jpgFeb 01 19:08
TechrightsBot-scNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeFeb 01 19:09
schestowitzSo afterwards you can just inhale the "Drugs"Feb 01 19:11
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEWVt6xyjLUFeb 01 19:28
TechrightsBot-scTitle:      YouTube         - Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 35).    .::. Size~: 142.88 KBFeb 01 19:28
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sebsebseb Feb 01 23:35
schestowitzhttp://yoyodawgdawg.com/10/yo-dawg-hiding http://www.chibiz.mybbnew.com/showthread.php?tid=233Feb 01 23:44
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Yo Dawg Macros // Hiding .::. Size~: 4.04 KBFeb 01 23:44
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Yo Dawg .::. Size~: 29.7 KBFeb 01 23:44
sebsebsebschestowitz: Now I am even more disapointed with Virgin TVFeb 01 23:54
schestowitzWhy?Feb 01 23:56
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/63477118Feb 01 23:57
TechrightsBot-sc@qu1j0t3's status on Tuesday, 01-Feb-11 23:55:37 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Good analogy. What the US is doing is offering a can of Coke to a thirsty man. Water is the answer, not a cocktail of shit.Feb 01 23:57
schestowitzI'd say artificial chemical mixesFeb 01 23:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: apparnatly Virgin sold their TV wing to SkyFeb 01 23:59

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