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| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: Hmm at this http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/02/pcpro-to-run-on-ubuntu-for-one-day-only/ | Feb 10 04:33 |
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| qu1j0t3 | sebsebseb: yeah i heard about this a while back | Feb 10 05:08 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: I just read the blog entry and comments there as well | Feb 10 05:09 |
| sebsebseb | and someone gave me the lol Ubuntu = Linux reponse when I told him about it on here a little whiel ago | Feb 10 05:09 |
| sebsebseb | Come on other distros :) | Feb 10 05:10 |
| sebsebseb | qu1j0t3: anyway what you think of the news? | Feb 10 05:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | i think it's a clever exercise... whichever way it turns out | Feb 10 05:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | it really just highlights the silly arbitrariness of using windows in the first place | Feb 10 05:19 |
| schestowitz | "My favourite is, "if we 'came' from monkeys, how come monkeys are still around?"  https://twitter.com/hurzicane/status/35474099018932225 | Feb 10 05:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @hurzicane: @schestowitz That's freaking Outstanding! Hilarious! | Feb 10 05:25 |
| schestowitz | Pro-Microsoft PR bunny apologises for spamming... https://twitter.com/MichellePropel/status/35490514514083840 | Feb 10 05:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @MichellePropel: @schestowitz Dr. Schestowitz, My sincere apologies. MyMediaInfo.com must have incorrect info re: your editorial requests/interests. Michelle | Feb 10 05:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | hahahahaha | Feb 10 05:26 |
| schestowitz | Not apologising for the spam | Feb 10 05:28 |
| schestowitz | But for getting the spam lists wrong | Feb 10 05:28 |
| schestowitz | And then embargoing disclosure of something I didn't ask for | Feb 10 05:28 |
| schestowitz | "Avtex Selected by Microsoft as a Premier Sponsor of the Dynamics CRM 2011 National Launch Event Series " | Feb 10 05:29 |
| schestowitz | "You are welcome to contact me with questions or to arrange an executive-level interview. " | Feb 10 05:29 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Feb 10 05:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 10 05:29 |
| schestowitz | Regards, | Feb 10 05:29 |
| schestowitz | Michelle | Feb 10 05:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 10 05:29 |
| schestowitz | "CONFIDENTIAL: This e-mail, including its contents and attachments, if any, are confidential. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender and immediately delete it. Do not disseminate, distribute or forward this e-mail message or disclose its contents to any other third party except with the express permission of AVTEX. " | Feb 10 05:29 |
| schestowitz | Since I hadn't asked for the spam, how can they demand secrecy | Feb 10 05:29 |
| schestowitz | ? | Feb 10 05:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | they can't. | Feb 10 05:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | they're relying on "professional courtesy" which is a code for "we can make life difficult for yu if you break implied rules" | Feb 10 05:36 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/64104674 | Feb 10 05:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dagan McGregor (ardrigh)'s status on Thursday, 10-Feb-11 05:43:37 UTC - Identi.ca: Very interesting read ♺ @schestowitz: Just How Rich Is Hosni Mubarak? http://ur1.ca/36cz5 maybe even the richest in the world | Feb 10 05:49 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Just How Rich Is Hosni Mubarak? | The Atlantic Wire .::. Size~: 37.22 KB | Feb 10 05:49 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the links | Feb 10 05:49 |
| schestowitz | I recall someone saying the oil families may in fact be richest in thr world | Feb 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | But they keep their numbers under the radar | Feb 10 05:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | you bet | Feb 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | For example, this guy who sometimes comes to our gym is from UAE royalty | Feb 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | And they say he's worth 300 billion | Feb 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | Now, nobody knows these numbers for sure | Feb 10 05:50 |
| schestowitz | But the guy who told me this is a respected British businessman who speaks to him | Feb 10 05:51 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if it's true, I could never verify | Feb 10 05:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | that reminds me of that House of Commons story | Feb 10 05:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | "sold the uk government" | Feb 10 05:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/trmanco/status/35574523268956160 | Feb 10 05:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @trmanco: @schestowitz ok thanks :) | Feb 10 05:51 |
| schestowitz | He's not here, is he? | Feb 10 05:52 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: the question is, how much money is spent importing oil | Feb 10 05:52 |
| schestowitz | And you can assume the majority of it goes to royal families | Feb 10 05:52 |
| schestowitz | Forbes lists and such use a methodology that cannot capture these things | Feb 10 05:53 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to some people whom I know hide their wealth because it only given them trouble when people find out | Feb 10 05:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Feb 10 05:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes, it stands to reason. | Feb 10 05:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | whenever i see one of these forbes rich list | Feb 10 05:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | i think of the ghosts above them all | Feb 10 05:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's amazing that people think those things are comprehensive | Feb 10 05:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | i mean the richer ghosts | Feb 10 05:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | invisibles | Feb 10 05:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | why do people think there aren't plutocrats hiding in plain sight? | Feb 10 05:54 |
| schestowitz | The people who live in the public eye or have SEC/NASDAQ-watched entities can't hide much | Feb 10 06:02 |
| schestowitz | But... | Feb 10 06:02 |
| schestowitz | I got abuse from anti-Linux trolls for bringing this up | Feb 10 06:02 |
| schestowitz | Another thing is the dynasty factor | Feb 10 06:02 |
| schestowitz | Many of the super rich families have the money spread around, over generation or at the same time | Feb 10 06:02 |
| schestowitz | Like Waltons or Rothschilds | Feb 10 06:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Feb 10 06:04 |
| schestowitz | "@themadhatter] @ender2070 Not a difference of opinion. Science isn't based on opinions, it's based on measurements. What did you measure?" | Feb 10 06:28 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Feb 10 06:28 |
| schestowitz | Brandon bats for Koch and doesn't know it... | Feb 10 06:28 |
| Ender2070 | ugh | Feb 10 06:30 |
| Ender2070 | and you bat for the super wealthy and don't know it | Feb 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz | You realise they bribe many outlets to spout of lies about climate, right? | Feb 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz | Including Fox | Feb 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz | And Fox actively tells the staff to do that | Feb 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz | E-mails leaked to show this | Feb 10 06:31 |
| schestowitz | The super-wealthy is not misguided on climate issue, that's all | Feb 10 06:31 |
| Ender2070 | climategate puts that to shame | Feb 10 06:32 |
| schestowitz | This does not imply that it's a plot by the wealthy | Feb 10 06:32 |
| schestowitz | Some of whom try tom profit from i | Feb 10 06:32 |
| schestowitz | *it | Feb 10 06:32 |
| Ender2070 | really so why has al gore already profited by the millions | Feb 10 06:32 |
| schestowitz | But it makes it not evidence that there is a lie | Feb 10 06:32 |
| schestowitz | Just sensationalism, like Gore's | Feb 10 06:32 |
| schestowitz | Even climate scientists often dismiss Gore cause he gives a bad name to science | Feb 10 06:33 |
| Ender2070 | not only that but i hate gas more than you do, i think cars and insurance are scams and i take the bus to work - so don't say I'm defending oil | Feb 10 06:33 |
| Ender2070 | meanwhile | Feb 10 06:34 |
| Ender2070 | the guy who runs the show at the IPCC owns several cars, a few are electric and he drives a gas guzzling bmw to work | Feb 10 06:34 |
| Ender2070 | you know the environmentalists got us using smart meters and going with a peak energy plan to charge you more for electricity at certain times | Feb 10 06:38 |
| Ender2070 | it ended up working too well, we had a surpluss and had to pay other states and provinces to take it | Feb 10 06:38 |
| Ender2070 | while we were getting fucked on the prices | Feb 10 06:39 |
| schestowitz | http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/07/olbermann-said-to-be-going-to-current-tv/ | Feb 10 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Gore... | Feb 10 06:46 |
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| schestowitz | [06:38] <Ender2070> you know the environmentalists got us using smart meters and going with a peak energy plan to charge you more for electricity at certain times | Feb 10 06:46 |
| schestowitz | Some people exploit that | Feb 10 06:46 |
| schestowitz | But it does not invalidate climate science | Feb 10 06:47 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://www.quora.com/Mathematics/What-is-the-most-beautiful-equation | Feb 10 08:56 |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/64114899 | Feb 10 09:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 10-Feb-11 08:58:20 UTC - Identi.ca: ♺ @toros intellihide for !unity has been merged http://goo.gl/lxVFC !ubuntu | Feb 10 09:00 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/dogdazed/status/35624175427125248 | Feb 10 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @dogdazed: RT @eurocelt: RT @MarietjeD66: The European Parliament votes on #Egypt next week, I am one of the authors of the resolution @schestowitz | Feb 10 09:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/35688479253991424 https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/35689074580791296 https://twitter.com/ender2070/status/35690146267537408 | Feb 10 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @ender2070: @schestowitz @themadhatter funny that you mention soros he's one of the crooks trying to kill national sovereignty | Feb 10 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @ender2070: @schestowitz @themadhatter speaking of detailed documentation, what is #techrights doing besides conspiracy theories[1][2][3] | Feb 10 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @ender2070: @schestowitz simple mistake, and its still a lot of money - should be taxed too | Feb 10 13:46 |
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| qu1j0t3 | http://cgi.ebay.ca/New-Condition-Microsoft-1st-Quarter-Report-1983-/200553620298?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb1ed634a | Feb 10 15:13 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yeah i saw that quora a while back | Feb 10 15:14 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/35721016181264384 | Feb 10 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @qu1j0t3: @schestowitz ppl's reactions to deal are too simple. (i.e. it's not really about paying the bloggers!) | Feb 10 16:51 |
| schestowitz | So you think it was not supposed to be sold in the first place and that's it? | Feb 10 16:51 |
| schestowitz | http://deviceguru.com/amds-new-cpu-gpu-rivals-intels-atom/ | Feb 10 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | Just had a 2-hour chat with a good old mate | Feb 10 16:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: well, the deal is just "good business". | Feb 10 16:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | i guess my point is that, the business was what it was. selling it doesn't change the underlying model. | Feb 10 16:54 |
| schestowitz | I think I explained to him many things about PR distortion field and he absorbed rather than 'fled' | Feb 10 16:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | if Twitter were sold, twitter users wouldn't demand a cut. Nor Facebook, Slashdot, etc. | Feb 10 16:54 |
| schestowitz | True... | Feb 10 16:54 |
| schestowitz | But people should decentralise further | Feb 10 16:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Feb 10 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Because they can... | Feb 10 16:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | the deal represents a consolidation | Feb 10 16:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | the people who are being abused are not the contributors, but the readership. | Feb 10 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Chopra quack.... brought to you by Arianna. | Feb 10 16:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | the readership was sold down the river, but the problem always existed. | Feb 10 16:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's what i wish people would see: that it has been flawed from the inception. | Feb 10 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, well... but readers got it all for 'free' | Feb 10 16:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | like "Obama", for example. | Feb 10 16:56 |
| schestowitz | So I don't think they have entitlement to complain | Feb 10 16:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Obama" is another trojan horse brand. | Feb 10 16:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | they keep using this trick and it keeps working. | Feb 10 16:56 |
| schestowitz | It's a bundle of brands | Feb 10 16:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Murdoch's FREE Metro papers. | Feb 10 16:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I complain about them. | Feb 10 16:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: do I not have standing? | Feb 10 16:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I don't really read them, either. does that give me more or less standing to complain about the practice? | Feb 10 16:57 |
| schestowitz | The other ones could be used with Clinton, saying she's hope (for females) and change (back to the Clintons after Bush) | Feb 10 16:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes! | Feb 10 16:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | clinton as we've often discussed is another "brand" | Feb 10 16:57 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: the practice is different | Feb 10 16:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | americans like brands, i guess. | Feb 10 16:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | they need to put their faith in something | Feb 10 16:57 |
| schestowitz | For Murdoch it's influence on the rag | Feb 10 16:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | no wonder the Obama scam worked | Feb 10 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Oil Tyconna did the same | Feb 10 16:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: I'm not sure i see a large difference between murdoch's free metro papers and the huff po | Feb 10 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Tycoona Matata :) | Feb 10 16:58 |
| schestowitz | yes,brands... | Feb 10 16:58 |
| schestowitz | I just had a long chat about that here in my place | Feb 10 16:58 |
| schestowitz | How singers become actors and children's entertainers etc. | Feb 10 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Because they become brands | Feb 10 16:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Feb 10 16:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | Palin family | Feb 10 16:59 |
| schestowitz | It's very common to assume not the best singer will have CDs sold... appearance and perceived value of a person (Can you say Madonna and Michael Jackson) is what sells | Feb 10 16:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's an absurdity | Feb 10 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Nader has glued to him the reputation of poor man's choice | Feb 10 16:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: like casting Nicolas Cage or Natalie Portman in every 2nd movie. | Feb 10 17:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's an insult to the intelligence | Feb 10 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I don't quite get it | Feb 10 17:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | celebrities. | Feb 10 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Were they in the same film? | Feb 10 17:00 |
| schestowitz | back in the 90s DiCario was a big brand | Feb 10 17:00 |
| schestowitz | After Titanic and all | Feb 10 17:00 |
| schestowitz | He almost got the American Psycho cast | Feb 10 17:00 |
| schestowitz | They aim for a brand to put in the trailer and poster | Feb 10 17:01 |
| schestowitz | "The film? WHAT? What's THAT? Oh, it's Leonardo.... with some film 'around' him" | Feb 10 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Obama-washing policies helps sell the illusion that the policies change something | Feb 10 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Even when these policies are the same as worse than the predecessor's (George) | Feb 10 17:02 |
| schestowitz | They spent a lot of time building the Georgwe brand too | Feb 10 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Some dude from a ranch, so they'd have you believe.. :-) | Feb 10 17:02 |
| schestowitz | "If you (Senator Wellstone) vote against the war in Iraq, the Bush administration will do whatever is necessary to get you. There will be severe ramifications for you and the state of Minnesota." -- Vice President Dick Cheney to Senator Paul Wellstone (D), October, 2002, just days before Wellstone's death in a suspicious airplane "accident". | Feb 10 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth about what we Bushs have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." --- George Bush Sr. 1992 | Feb 10 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." --- George W. Bush | Feb 10 17:03 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/35719101682819072 | Feb 10 17:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @qu1j0t3: .@schestowitz she's part of the problem. Just call HuffPo "Fox Center" | Feb 10 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Central? | Feb 10 17:04 |
| schestowitz | But it's no comedy... | Feb 10 17:05 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Fox Center. | Feb 10 17:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: market segment | Feb 10 17:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: too liberal/cool for Fox- the HP reader | Feb 10 17:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: corps need this market | Feb 10 17:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: HP serves it up, and now it's more obvious | Feb 10 17:08 |
| schestowitz | re: http://cgi.ebay.ca/New-Condition-Microsoft-1st-Quarter-Report-1983-/200553620298?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb1ed634a | Feb 10 17:08 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, for wood is cheaper and produces more heat | Feb 10 17:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | :) | Feb 10 17:08 |
| schestowitz | What's AOL's orientation politically? | Feb 10 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I honestly have the feeling it plays the neutral card, side-wise (left/right) | Feb 10 17:09 |
| schestowitz | But embracing consensus of both side, i.e. non-progressive | Feb 10 17:10 |
| schestowitz | The 'American' (Monroe doctrine) public needs to know it's multi-dimensional because the 'opposites' they get lie in similar manifold :-) | Feb 10 17:10 |
| schestowitz | CNN, NBC, PBS, AOL, News Corp, CBS... name the progressive one... 3...2...1 | Feb 10 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Lousy channels. It's only reasonable for one channel to parrot another and seem reasonable. It's unreasonable to refute other channels. But only the unreasonable channels like The Guardian can ever achieve something in society. | Feb 10 17:27 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/64144300 | Feb 10 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @jezra (jezra)'s status on Thursday, 10-Feb-11 17:24:58 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz ha! I doubt #Elop will bother going to a conference for an abandoned OS. Maybe I can find a WebOS conference to attend. egads. | Feb 10 17:30 |
| abeNd-org | hey, nothing wrong with webos, besides hp just released info on 3 new upcoming devices, pretty slick looking, not to mention functionality | Feb 10 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, they have a better UI than the competition's | Feb 10 17:42 |
| schestowitz | But Xoom too looks alright | Feb 10 17:42 |
| abeNd-org | i wouldnt mind getting one of those new webos tablets | Feb 10 17:47 |
| schestowitz | who would mind? :-) | Feb 10 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Getting as in buying or being sent one? | Feb 10 17:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: also see Jay Rosen, the View from Nowhere | Feb 10 17:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: corporate news, consensus | Feb 10 17:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: they need to cover the 'center' i.e. people 'left' of Fox | Feb 10 17:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: MS+NBC | Feb 10 17:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: same deal. | Feb 10 17:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's easy. Right= covered. Center = covered. *real* progressives = delegitimise. censor. arrest. | Feb 10 17:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i.e. Greenwald. And now we see from recent stories that this strategy exists and is active. | Feb 10 18:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and when you own all the other 'sectors' of opinion/leaning, you can drive it anywhere you want (Murdoch). | Feb 10 18:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: you leverage the sectors you own against the sectors you don't (real left). | Feb 10 18:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: you steal and corrupt their words (e.g. 'socialism') | Feb 10 18:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: write a new dictionary, write a new history | Feb 10 18:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the problem with Huff Po is that it is part of the owned sectors | Feb 10 18:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and who's driving it? the usual suspects. Fox writers, firstly, through the reactionary process. and secondly, corporates, through their reps. thirdly, even the plutocrats leverage their positive reputations gained through the other sectors, to dare write to the 'center' at HuffPo | Feb 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz | HuffPo does a lot of hosting for AP et al, I noticed | Feb 10 18:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's a war. it's chess. but everyone else thinks it's a unicorn grooming contest. | Feb 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz | It's the space fillers | Feb 10 18:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: so does Salon | Feb 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz | As you said... | Feb 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Come for Fox amplifier... | Feb 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Stay for gossip | Feb 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | And AP the copyright bullies | Feb 10 18:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. psychological cocktail. | Feb 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | That's why I never likes HuffPo | Feb 10 18:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | there are people in this 'center' (e.g. geek class) who will defend Huff Po's tabloidism | Feb 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | And when people commended it I responded | Feb 10 18:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | i could write the argument out... you could too.... | Feb 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | They DO have some decent stuff sometimes | Feb 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | but that's the hosted stuff from volunteers | Feb 10 18:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | of course they do. | Feb 10 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Like Lessig | Feb 10 18:05 |
| schestowitz | They mirror their own blog and give their googlejuice to Arianna | Feb 10 18:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | but even Fox runs a sensible story once or twice a year. a stopped clock, etc. | Feb 10 18:05 |
| schestowitz | The lead crab | Feb 10 18:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/02/crabzilla-5-ft-biggest-known-crab-uk.php | Feb 10 18:05 |
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| qu1j0t3 | those 'good pieces' on Huff Po disprove its fundamental destructiveness as much as snow in winter cancels theories of climate change. | Feb 10 18:05 |
| schestowitz | The "stay for gossip" style is Murdoch, e.g. The Mail | Feb 10 18:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | tabloidism. | Feb 10 18:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | qu1j0t3 | there are people in this 'center' (e.g. geek class) who will defend Huff Po's | Feb 10 18:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | tabloidism | Feb 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: yes | Feb 10 18:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | the arguments are obvious | Feb 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz | People come to read some progressive stuff | Feb 10 18:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | but again, not important. | Feb 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz | And give googlejuice to Chopra quack | Feb 10 18:06 |
| schestowitz | And gates puff pieces etc | Feb 10 18:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | more than googlejuice. | Feb 10 18:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | it plays into a feeling that people want to have, | Feb 10 18:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | they WANT to trust philanthropists. they WANT to trust obama. | Feb 10 18:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's very hard for people to cross that line | Feb 10 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know... | Feb 10 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Or rather... | Feb 10 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Given the two options | Feb 10 18:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | and accept they're being screwed by their own wishful thinking | Feb 10 18:07 |
| schestowitz | They'd go for the mainstream one that's also a cushion | Feb 10 18:07 |
| schestowitz | People don't like feeling betrayed | Feb 10 18:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Feb 10 18:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | exactly. | Feb 10 18:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's a very hard line to cross; ask egyptians. | Feb 10 18:07 |
| schestowitz | You can't tell a girl that this and that b/f is bad for her | Feb 10 18:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | took them 30 years to cross it | Feb 10 18:07 |
| schestowitz | She would not listen if someone (maybe her own mind) refuted it | Feb 10 18:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | good analogy. | Feb 10 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Eventually they get screwed | Feb 10 18:08 |
| schestowitz | And break down to admit | Feb 10 18:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | you can spend your whole life with the wrong person... irrationality can always beat rationality | Feb 10 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Like religion, climate change denial etc | Feb 10 18:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | sometimes they never admit. most of america is in this category. | Feb 10 18:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/science/16malaria.html?_r=1 | Feb 10 18:09 |
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| schestowitz | ""The chief of malaria for the World Health Organization has complained that the growing dominance of malaria research by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation risks stifling a diversity of views among scientists and wiping out the world health agency’s policy-making function." | Feb 10 18:09 |
| schestowitz | "Mubarak loves us speech" comes in 2 hours | Feb 10 18:09 |
| schestowitz | he's still in his palace, not Germany for "medical reasons" | Feb 10 18:09 |
| schestowitz | The address of his family in London was posted in Twitter, I RTed | Feb 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | And he seems likely to be worth more than Pearly gates | Feb 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Sent his dynasty tom safer place... people are on to him. | Feb 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | I have some more links to post about it later | Feb 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | I fetched many, but spoke to a friend here at the same time, so couldn't dent em | Feb 10 18:11 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: https://twitter.com/mqudsi/status/35760102552113154 | Feb 10 18:24 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @mqudsi: @schestowitz "Tabloidization" can be a good thing. It makes the "serious" accusations/lies less credible, too. | Feb 10 18:24 |
| schestowitz | context is wikileaks tabloid-like smears (vs Assange) | Feb 10 18:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Feb 10 18:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | i don't agree | Feb 10 18:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | "does a fish know it's wet?" | Feb 10 18:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | most people don't see tabloidisation because it is the water they swim in,. | Feb 10 18:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | you have to step OUT of it to see it. | Feb 10 18:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's murdoch's great accomplishment | Feb 10 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | to make people think this is "news", "journalism", "public interest", or relevant at all. | Feb 10 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | all this crap | Feb 10 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | at best, it's a complete distraction from any issue | Feb 10 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | at worst, it's applied to attack (JA) | Feb 10 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | (Muslims) | Feb 10 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | (Blacks) | Feb 10 18:41 |
| schestowitz | this feels like déjà vu all over again. | Feb 10 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Bernays | Feb 10 18:43 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/dont-deal-away-our-sovereignty/article1901070/ | Feb 10 18:49 |
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| schestowitz | "@mqudsi good point there about cheat shots at #wikileaks muddying the water of legitimate criticisms" | Feb 10 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: Eben Moglen helps explain why people like you do the right think by blogging politically and also do software | Feb 10 20:23 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/64152356 | Feb 10 20:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 10-Feb-11 19:41:21 UTC - Identi.ca: #FOSDEM talk from Eben Moglen is great http://ur1.ca/3735r http://ur1.ca/37362 !wikileaks !fsf #freedom | Feb 10 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | Have a listen | Feb 10 20:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | hm okay- gotta go 2 lunch, will listen when i get back. | Feb 10 20:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | thax | Feb 10 20:31 |
| schestowitz | He also mentions Zuckerberg and such... versus Assange | Feb 10 20:35 |
| abeNd-org | what, zuckerberg pissed that asange released privacy related information he couldnt? | Feb 10 20:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | Zuck has a lot to fear from leaks... :) | Feb 10 20:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | he's already been embarrassed | Feb 10 20:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | like Gates, he speaks his mind too much | Feb 10 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Feb 10 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Stupid f*** | Feb 10 21:09 |
| schestowitz | "They trust us" | Feb 10 21:09 |
| schestowitz | !google zuckerberg dumb fucks | Feb 10 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [1] - Well, These New Zuckerberg IMs Won't Help Facebook's Privacy Problems | http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5 | Feb 10 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [2] - Facebook founder called trusting users dumb f*cks • The Register | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/ | Feb 10 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [3] - Facebook CEO Admits To Calling Users 'Dumb Fucks' | http://gawker.com/%23!5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks | Feb 10 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | [4] - Report: At Harvard, Zuckerberg mocked users who trusted him with ... | http://venturebeat.com/2010/05/13/zuckerberg-dumb-fucks/ | Feb 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes it's better to STFU | Feb 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | "All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order" --David Rockefeller | Feb 10 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/64157246 | Feb 10 22:46 |
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