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schestowitzWhat do you think could explain this?Feb 22 05:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/39845311136534529Feb 22 05:27
TechrightsBot-sc@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz #NYT showing its true colours: http://twitter.com/#!/WLLegal/status/39844888954540032Feb 22 05:27
TechrightsBot-sc@WLLegal: NYT not only withheld news on CIA agent at US's request (Guardian didn't), but published knowingly false info about him http://bit.ly/gs8bhrFeb 22 05:27
schestowitzqu1j0t3: they are part of the EstablishmentFeb 22 05:27
schestowitzPentagon Papers was a rare exceptionFeb 22 05:27
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yes, i'm well aware :)Feb 22 05:29
*schestowitz reads qu1j0t3's latest tweetsFeb 22 05:34
*schestowitz still thinks it should be posted in identica tooFeb 22 05:34
qu1j0t3schestowitz: lolFeb 22 05:35
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you mean the F/oSS oneFeb 22 05:35
schestowitzyes]Feb 22 05:35
schestowitzit's receptive to politics tooFeb 22 05:35
schestowitzThe two are interwined to some degreeFeb 22 05:35
qu1j0t3but you RT me anyway on identi.caFeb 22 05:43
schestowitzBut it's hard to read you...Feb 22 05:45
qu1j0t3you mean you're phasing out reading twitter?Feb 22 05:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/moniquesrqelmor/status/39922039804403712Feb 22 05:48
TechrightsBot-sc@moniquesrqelmor: @schestowitz Massacre in Libya http://tinyurl.com/4mhg6pmFeb 22 05:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/stevrossi/status/39921753824296960Feb 22 05:48
TechrightsBot-scNot a web page! Aborting  typeFeb 22 05:48
TechrightsBot-sc@stevrossi: @schestowitz 2 mins WWide silence for Libya dead on Tue 1 Mar 2011 @ 12:00pm Let's do this for Mankind - Retweet and pass it on.Feb 22 05:48
schestowitzArgh...Feb 22 05:49
schestowitzspammersFeb 22 05:49
schestowitzusing libya to push spam, the first one..Feb 22 05:49
MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/tb/fpjwwFeb 22 06:33
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Jeopardy Watson's biggest mistake. Donating its winnings to a religious charity that actively discriminates against hiring Atheists, Jews, Muslims, etc. (WTF! WWJD?) via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.78 KBFeb 22 06:33
schestowitzLOLFeb 22 06:58
schestowitz"Feb 22 06:58
schestowitzSearch for a ChildFeb 22 06:58
schestowitzgirl boy Feb 22 06:58
schestowitz"Feb 22 06:58
schestowitzWhat is this...?Feb 22 06:58
MinceRspamFeb 22 07:02
schestowitzI was thinking more along the lines of kids for saleFeb 22 07:05
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schestowitzHmmm... my lucky day.. opening at Beetham Tower http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-32697623.htmlFeb 22 11:10
TechrightsBot-scTitle: 1 bedroom apartment to rent in Beetham Tower, Deansgate, Manchester, M3, M3 .::. Size~: 48.94 KBFeb 22 11:11
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/39958664240562176 https://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/39958941882388480Feb 22 11:13
TechrightsBot-scNot a tweet?Feb 22 11:13
TechrightsBot-sc@keithccurtis: @schestowitz This is a small community, let's be friendly and WP:AGF. I've told you this before and I hope it eventually sinks in.Feb 22 11:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/39958664240562176Feb 22 11:13
TechrightsBot-scNot a tweet?Feb 22 11:13
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/39958664240562176Feb 22 11:13
TechrightsBot-scNot a tweet?Feb 22 11:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/39958664240562176 "It is paranoid for you to continue to question my motives and say I'm lying. It says something about you. "Psych. projection"" << I think it is well established by now why Mono in Linux in a bad idea. The FSF concurs.Feb 22 11:14
TechrightsBot-scNot a tweet?Feb 22 11:14
schestowitzIt's the former Microsoft employeeFeb 22 11:14
schestowitzWho now says he's a Linux fanFeb 22 11:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40006679231733760Feb 22 11:19
TechrightsBot-sc@keithccurtis: @schestowitz I appreciate that you are engaging me in the field of ideas rather than emotions. No reason to speak ill of me b/c we disagreFeb 22 11:19
schestowitzA lot of former Microsoft employees appear to be promoting Mono, which is problematic to Free software (but not to Microsoft)Feb 22 11:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40007221072896000Feb 22 11:33
TechrightsBot-sc@keithccurtis: @schestowitz It is not "proven" that Mono is a bad idea. The FSF is RMS. Talk to other people and you will find diff opinions.Feb 22 11:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40007700511195136Feb 22 11:34
TechrightsBot-sc@keithccurtis: @schestowitz It basically boils down to a patent risk. So who is to say what the actual risk is? Patent risk means we trash a good codebase?Feb 22 11:34
schestowitz"@keithccurtis it's API domination, not patent risk. It gives Microsoft a lot of power over Linux. #mono #moonlight"Feb 22 11:34
schestowitz"when you say FSF is just RMS you over-simplify and only promote the perception that you dislike the FSF"Feb 22 11:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40008028858093568Feb 22 11:35
TechrightsBot-sc@keithccurtis: @schestowitz Mono is a very good codebase. Better than Java in many ways. Do you even look at that?Feb 22 11:35
schestowitz"@keithccurtis it's not about the code as much as it is about freedom. Mono is about being subjugated by Microsoft, your former employer."Feb 22 11:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40009394431201280Feb 22 11:36
TechrightsBot-scNot a tweet?Feb 22 11:36
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40009394431201280 "@schestowitz I didn't "trash" Java. I was attempting to describe why it failed. You are being a demagogue when you use that word."Feb 22 11:36
TechrightsBot-scNot a tweet?Feb 22 11:36
schestowitz"@keithccurtis I was referring to your advocacy of Mono, which relied on bashing Java. You casually promote Microsoft s/w, your former boss."Feb 22 11:37
schestowitz*Sigh*Feb 22 11:37
schestowitzMicrosoft boosters dressed in sheep clothing IMHOFeb 22 11:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/EdgarFerro/status/40009941343404032Feb 22 11:37
TechrightsBot-sc@EdgarFerro: @schestowitz I didn't "trash" Java. I was attempting to describe why it failed. You are being a demagogue when you... http://dlvr.it/HFy93Feb 22 11:37
TechrightsBot-scError processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 301 Moved PermanentlyFeb 22 11:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40010763078737920Feb 22 11:38
TechrightsBot-sc@keithccurtis: @schestowitz We cannot quantify "patent risk" with the precision that we can of many other metrics in software like boot time.Feb 22 11:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40011845687316480Feb 22 11:38
TechrightsBot-sc@keithccurtis: @schestowitz I only ever hear about patents. Maybe you guys have a new tune.  The term "API domination" is not a standard one.Feb 22 11:38
schestowitzIt is actually. It's even in leaked Microsoft documents. http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdfFeb 22 11:38
TechrightsBot-scNot a web page! Aborting application/pdf typeFeb 22 11:38
abeNd-org1you did drop the ball on gwavacon2011 :) Feb 22 11:53
abeNd-org1i didn't get a chance to attend this yr, but it is usually a great event, and there is more to it than just groupwise & 3rd party products for it, but yes, that is the main focusFeb 22 11:54
MinceR123405 < TechrightsBot-sc> @keithccurtis: @schestowitz Mono is a very good codebase. Better than Java in many ways. Do you even look at that?Feb 22 12:02
MinceRLOLFeb 22 12:02
MinceRdoes this clown even know java?Feb 22 12:02
MinceRdoes he even know what the word "documentation" means?Feb 22 12:02
MinceR(the guys who "work" for m$ apparently don't)Feb 22 12:03
schestowitzYeah, saying that Mono is better than Java...Feb 22 12:04
schestowitz.NET is a Java ripoffFeb 22 12:04
schestowitzAnd mono is a lousy .NET ripoffFeb 22 12:04
schestowitzThis guy sounds like the usual mono boostersFeb 22 12:04
schestowitzabeNd-org1: Richard mailed me againFeb 22 12:05
schestowitzA few years ago he invited me (all expenses covered), which I found offFeb 22 12:05
schestowitz*oddFeb 22 12:05
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40012901439770624Feb 22 12:06
TechrightsBot-sc@keithccurtis: @schestowitz My Java and Mono statements are unrelated. It is wrong to think that I trash Java because I support mono.Feb 22 12:06
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40013129605718016Feb 22 12:06
TechrightsBot-sc@keithccurtis: @schestowitz There can be no subjugation in free code. You don't even appreciate the rights you are fighting for.Feb 22 12:07
schestowitzthat's sidestepping the point I was making. It's about the APIs, not the code.Feb 22 12:07
MinceR.net is a lousy java ripoffFeb 22 12:08
schestowitzSo they say..Feb 22 12:08
MinceRlast year i wished it wasn't quite so lousyFeb 22 12:09
schestowitzJava?Feb 22 12:11
MinceR.netFeb 22 12:12
MinceRand c#Feb 22 12:12
schestowitzEww...Feb 22 12:14
MinceRindeedFeb 22 12:14
schestowitzThe Beetham tower apartment is now taken. Damn.Feb 22 12:15
schestowitzEverything that's good get snatched so quickly.Feb 22 12:15
schestowitz*getsFeb 22 12:15
abeNd-org1schestowitz I know richard, what you describe of him inviting you like that isnt oddFeb 22 12:31
schestowitzThere's a video on youtube of his daughter interviewing HovsepianFeb 22 12:32
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/40032039163920384Feb 22 13:03
TechrightsBot-sc@keithccurtis: @schestowitz This is called the free software movement. I'm not sidestepping the point, that is the point.Feb 22 13:03
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qu1j0t3> @keithccurtis: @schestowitz Mono is a very good codebase. Better than Java in many    │@ChanServ        Feb 22 15:34
qu1j0t3                          ways. Do you even look at that? Feb 22 15:34
schestowitzqu1j0t3: to ensure you know this, keith is a former Microsoft employee who later wrote a book on Linux/FOSSFeb 22 15:40
qu1j0t3he seems like one of those people who think it's about technology and code and opcodes and nanoseconds and volts and wattsFeb 22 16:06
qu1j0t3a politics free comfort zone where programs don't killFeb 22 16:06
qu1j0t3nice fantasyFeb 22 16:06
schestowitzI know...Feb 22 16:13
schestowitzBut I too was once like that..Feb 22 16:13
schestowitzI even was offered a job (dev) in a company that makes software for gambling sitesFeb 22 16:14
schestowitzI declined at the endFeb 22 16:14
schestowitzFew people said I should not do itFeb 22 16:14
schestowitzThere's the other type, that only well..... cares about the money... the rest of "not my department" so to speak...Feb 22 16:15
qu1j0t3i was once like that tooFeb 22 16:36
MinceRwhat's wrong with gambling?Feb 22 16:39
MinceRpeople waste their money and have funFeb 22 16:40
MinceRsometimes they winFeb 22 16:40
schestowitzIt appeals to dumb people a lot of the timeFeb 22 16:51
schestowitzThey watch some blockbuster about high-end prostitutes, brandy, and some big shots with planes. Then they go to a casino, get drunk on 'free' drinks, and lose the house.Feb 22 16:51
schestowitzCasinos often prey on those who cannot figure out odds and have them intoxicated to further blue judgmentFeb 22 16:52
MinceRi'm not sure whose fault that isFeb 22 16:54
schestowitzI think the government does need to protect the public in same casesFeb 22 17:01
schestowitzThe UK has the ASAFeb 22 17:01
schestowitzYou might say companies can advertise anything they wishFeb 22 17:01
schestowitzBut reservations are often in society's interestFeb 22 17:01
MinceRso they need warning labelsFeb 22 17:08
MinceRthen again i think it might be better to leave off the warning labels from everything and let stupid people take care of themselvesFeb 22 17:09
schestowitzHeh. Like smoking, I guessFeb 22 17:14
schestowitzFinancial vs health thoughFeb 22 17:14
schestowitzSo different dilemmas, inhernetlyFeb 22 17:14
schestowitz*inherentlyFeb 22 17:14
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/WarOnErrorDKos/status/40096722390614016Feb 22 17:20
TechrightsBot-sc@WarOnErrorDKos: @schestowitz <> The Kochs + TheFamily + Birchers = Tea Party <> 80 YEAR ANTI-WORKER PLAN <> Spread far and wide. shar.es/3Yzql #newsFeb 22 17:20
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/65119027  https://identi.ca/notice/65119075Feb 22 17:22
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Feb-11 15:42:35 UTC - Identi.ca: ♺ @serk01 #Stallman giving a speech in Cambridge in the William Gates Building on March 1. Anyone else sees the irony? http://bit.ly/eXk7kOFeb 22 17:22
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title:  Free software and your freedom - The IET  .::. Size~: 32.52 KBFeb 22 17:22
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Feb-11 15:43:04 UTC - Identi.ca: @serk01 not the first. Previously he made a witty remark about it. Can't find it offhand...Feb 22 17:22
MinceR:>Feb 22 17:23
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/65117828Feb 22 17:24
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Feb-11 15:22:02 UTC - Identi.ca: @quaid the problem is not @ArsTechnica but Microsoft zealots who spread their spin using an otherwise fine publication http://ur1.ca/38zocFeb 22 17:24
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Microsoft Boosters Turn Ars Technica Into Fox Technica | Techrights .::. Size~: 107.12 KBFeb 22 17:24
MinceRfine publications might be able to resist becoming tools of such campaignsFeb 22 17:26
MinceRperhaps they also shouldFeb 22 17:26
MinceR:>Feb 22 17:26
schestowitzYes, but people should point that outFeb 22 17:28
schestowitzThey got many commentsFeb 22 17:29
schestowitzNot of the good kindFeb 22 17:29
schestowitzArs is now seen as anti-GPLFeb 22 17:29
schestowitzAnd it doesn't help them attract the copyright and s/w reformists who like the site for Nate's good workFeb 22 17:29
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/65125568Feb 22 17:31
TechrightsBot-sc@Alexandre Oliva (lxoliva)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Feb-11 17:26:35 UTC - Identi.ca: @fabsh you give me that after calling @schestowitz on lacking counter-arguments?  wow!  just wow!Feb 22 17:31
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/64265016#notice-65125568Feb 22 17:31
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 20.56 KBFeb 22 17:31
schestowitzFab doesn't have it easy in denticaFeb 22 17:31
schestowitzIn identica people understand freedom, it's not twitterFeb 22 17:31
schestowitzSoaring gas and food prices cause a lot of the unrestFeb 22 18:33
schestowitzInflation where it hurts the little guys the most... crops ruined by the climate changes tooFeb 22 18:33
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6oL77tUCn8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkFMMgfAmXoFeb 22 18:33
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/65132132Feb 22 19:24
TechrightsBot-sc@identi.ca (michelenlared)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Feb-11 19:14:47 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz #Firefox 4 improves appearance in #Ubuntu http://t.co/HlExUGt vía @omgubuntuFeb 22 19:24
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/65145209Feb 22 23:12
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Feb-11 23:03:21 UTC - Identi.ca: @carlopiana "Service Provider(s): Microsoft Corporation; The Microsoft Network, LLC; MSNBC Interactive News, LLC" << so much for NBC 'news'Feb 22 23:12
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