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| schestowitz | Turns out some scientists in the US are being exploited unfairly by a state that takes jobs elsewhere for money savings.... | Jan 31 05:48 |
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| schestowitz | > Dear Roy: I appreciate that you are still in a position that makes | Jan 31 05:48 |
| schestowitz | > strong use of your training and experience. I'm glad that you are a | Jan 31 05:48 |
| schestowitz | > strong proponent for open source software. | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > I first became familiar with machine vision while I worked at the | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > Guidance and Control Division of NASA-JPL during the summers of 1973, | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > 1974, and 1975. While I was being considered for a postdoc at Los | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > Alamos Nuclear Laboratories, I did some initial studies for a remote | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > sensing project that was not started (as the program was de-funded at | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > the start of the Reagan administration.) I also was part of a team that | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > developed a discontinuous flow cytometry system, the Technicon H-1, | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > between 1983 and 1985. | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > I have become more interested in color still and video storage and | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > processing since 2005. | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > I currently volunteer as a Docent at the National Air and Space Museum. | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > I just completed a pair of Smithsonian Institution Postdoctoral research | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > applications with the National Air and Space Museum. If my proposal is | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > selected, I would work on the connection between the then-classified | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > CORONA satellite program and the manned space program. My objective in | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | > this work is to move into the field of overhead surveillance. | Jan 31 05:49 |
| schestowitz | Wonderful! I also suppose you know about Gates' infrequence over the Smithsonian ;-) | Jan 31 05:49 |
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| schestowitz | "@satipera] Hague says new (radio/online) services to China will appeal more to younger Chinese. He is blatantly discussing effectiveness of propaganda" | Jan 31 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12311007 | Jan 31 20:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: BBC News - Egypt protests: Curfew in cities as army deployed .::. Size~: 67.45 KB | Jan 31 20:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://archiv.twoday.net/stories/11598738/ | Jan 31 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Archivalia: Save Hungary's Archive .::. Size~: 26.19 KB | Jan 31 21:09 |
| MinceR | interesting | Jan 31 21:11 |
| MinceR | perhaps viktor wants to hide the proof that what he's doing is a lot like what the "commies" did | Jan 31 21:11 |
| MinceR | by destroying the evidence in advance | Jan 31 21:11 |
| MinceR | then again, the official reasoning might be valid | Jan 31 21:12 |
| MinceR | i don't know what's the right thing to do in such a case | Jan 31 21:12 |
| MinceR | it's kind of ironic to hear someone in the current government complain about something being done in anti-constitutional means though | Jan 31 21:12 |
| schestowitz | don't squash the evidece | Jan 31 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Squash Viktor? | Jan 31 21:13 |
| MinceR | as if they hadn't just dismantled the constitutional state here | Jan 31 21:13 |
| MinceR | that would be nice | Jan 31 21:13 |
| MinceR | but then i'm afraid his believers would also have to be squashed to make it last | Jan 31 21:13 |
| MinceR | fidesz/kdnp still has support among the mass of idiots that makes up this country | Jan 31 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Nice-maybe, but not for Viktor, that's for sure | Jan 31 21:14 |
| MinceR | i don't care if it's nice for that asshole | Jan 31 21:14 |
| MinceR | after what he did he deserves no human rights of any sort | Jan 31 21:14 |
| schestowitz | he asked what the country can do for him | Jan 31 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Not what he could do for the country | Jan 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | maybe he asked himself | Jan 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | he just took everything | Jan 31 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Maybe jobbik will lock in him up | Jan 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Jan 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | jobbik is just more of the same | Jan 31 21:15 |
| schestowitz | When he uses them as excuses that was bad | Jan 31 21:15 |
| schestowitz | "Hey, I'm not like Stalin, so be thankful" | Jan 31 21:16 |
| MinceR | except that he is | Jan 31 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Does he have agoulag? | Jan 31 21:16 |
| MinceR | not yet | Jan 31 21:16 |
| MinceR | at the current rate, the police can handle his victims | Jan 31 21:16 |
| MinceR | i've heard there are some show trials initiated already | Jan 31 21:17 |
| MinceR | (hu) http://szegedma.hu/hir/szeged/2011/01/velemeny-filozofus-per-2011-ben.html | Jan 31 21:18 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Vélemény: Filozófus-per 2011-ben? | Szeged Ma - tények és vélemények .::. Size~: 66.78 KB | Jan 31 21:18 |
| MinceR | if jobbik locked viktor up, they'd put someone else in his place and everything would go on | Jan 31 21:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: someone sent me this today (Alex Jones warning... sensationalism): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dys3xE2Bnk | Jan 31 21:21 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - (FULL LENGTH) "The Police State Conspiracy" with Jesse Ventura .::. Size~: 131.77 KB | Jan 31 21:21 |
| MinceR | i wonder what would happen the day this fucking joke of a video player actually managed to work | Jan 31 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Is this Viktor? http://szegedma.hu/hir/szeged/2011/01/konczey-elemer-karikaturaja-33.html | Jan 31 21:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Könczey Elemér karikatúrája | Szeged Ma - tények és vélemények .::. Size~: 47.89 KB | Jan 31 21:23 |
| MinceR | i guess if i had some beta or alpha version of firefox i could watch it in WebM | Jan 31 21:23 |
| MinceR | no idea | Jan 31 21:23 |
| MinceR | regarding the destruction of evidence thing, imo the most they should be allowed to do is that if it contains personal information of still-living people, they could ask those people if that information should be kept secret until those people die (but no longer) | Jan 31 21:29 |
| MinceR | the video is playing now | Jan 31 21:51 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: how credible is this video? | Jan 31 22:02 |
| schestowitz | NOT QUITE | Jan 31 22:03 |
| schestowitz | oops | Jan 31 22:03 |
| schestowitz | CAPS oops | Jan 31 22:03 |
| schestowitz | The coffins are for disease control and all | Jan 31 22:03 |
| schestowitz | They connect wrong things | Jan 31 22:03 |
| schestowitz | And the lockup facilities can be used for all sorts of things | Jan 31 22:03 |
| MinceR | when they discussed the coffins i thought "if they want to kill a lot of people secretly, they can just dig a hole and dump the bodies" | Jan 31 22:03 |
| schestowitz | They just reuse old stuff in this video | Jan 31 22:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: or burn the bodies | Jan 31 22:04 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard about the fusion centers before | Jan 31 22:04 |
| MinceR | but WP confirms it | Jan 31 22:04 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: that too | Jan 31 22:04 |
| schestowitz | me neither. "fusion centres" are the only interesting thing there, but you already knew such a thing existed | Jan 31 22:05 |
| MinceR | i didn't know | Jan 31 22:05 |
| schestowitz | It's just a name for departments that gather info like watchlists | Jan 31 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I reckon people like me are on it too | Jan 31 22:05 |
| schestowitz | UStatsi | Jan 31 22:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/32192420850434048 | Jan 31 22:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @glynmoody: @schestowitz indeed | Jan 31 22:07 |
| schestowitz | re "@glynmoody from the people who ignored people's vote for #Assange and made #1 spy Man of the Year, Microsoft's bandit also Man of the Year" | Jan 31 22:07 |
| schestowitz | TIME Mag | Jan 31 22:07 |
| MinceR | ustasi? | Jan 31 22:07 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jan 31 22:28 |
| MinceR | hay | Jan 31 22:29 |
| oiaohm | http://www.blender.org/blenderorg/blender-foundation/press/re-branding-blender/ I am expecting to see more and more of this | Jan 31 22:29 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: blender.org - Re-branding Blender .::. Size~: 16.68 KB | Jan 31 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: without going on link, hmm | Jan 31 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | re branding blender? | Jan 31 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Groups rebranding open source not saying its open source then selling it to unsuspeting pubic. | Jan 31 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm isn't that sort of what was done with Oracale Open Office | Jan 31 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | except for them actsualley saying its based on Open Office .org | Jan 31 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | anyway that's instead of StarOffice I guess from Sun | Jan 31 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: also the version of Open Office that just came out, may be the last one? | Jan 31 22:32 |
| MinceR | they explain the coffins later | Jan 31 22:32 |
| oiaohm | Oracle Open Office is sold with a 12 months support contract. | Jan 31 22:32 |
| oiaohm | The crap I was point to was rebranded just take the money and run. | Jan 31 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | openoffice.org helps Oracale now, people didn't like that | Jan 31 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | so LibreOffice | Jan 31 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Jan 31 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | however I guess all the code they gave Sun ownership of Oracle now own as well so yeah | Jan 31 22:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie orcale openoffice you are trulying buying something with the money. | Jan 31 22:34 |
| oiaohm | Just like ibms | Jan 31 22:34 |
| oiaohm | Open Office fork. | Jan 31 22:34 |
| oiaohm | Both you are buying support. | Jan 31 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but you can buy support for the open source projects as well, or should be able to | Jan 31 22:34 |
| oiaohm | 3DMagix and IllusionMage rename blender. | Jan 31 22:34 |
| oiaohm | That is all they change. | Jan 31 22:35 |
| oiaohm | No support contract. | Jan 31 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Jan 31 22:35 |
| gnufreex | But do then provide source code and copy of GPL? | Jan 31 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Do you not agree that suxs. | Jan 31 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Only if you ask for the source code. gnufreex | Jan 31 22:36 |
| oiaohm | And there documentation avoids where able mentioning GPL. | Jan 31 22:36 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, but there has to be written offer | Jan 31 22:36 |
| gnufreex | ANd they have to mention GPL | Jan 31 22:36 |
| oiaohm | It just enough to pass legal no more. | Jan 31 22:36 |
| gnufreex | They have to ship copy of GPL with the progarm | Jan 31 22:36 |
| oiaohm | In the box in the manual. | Jan 31 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Only place mentioned. | Jan 31 22:37 |
| gnufreex | in Help >> about needs to be GPL | Jan 31 22:37 |
| oiaohm | So yes after a person has bought and installed it do they find out its GPL. | Jan 31 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Also they take images from the blender site and claim it as there own. | Jan 31 22:38 |
| oiaohm | Yes they don't care that much about copyright either. | Jan 31 22:38 |
| oiaohm | Pure scam. | Jan 31 22:38 |
| gnufreex | That is (c) violation | Jan 31 22:38 |
| gnufreex | They should sue. | Jan 31 22:38 |
| oiaohm | Costs | Jan 31 22:39 |
| gnufreex | SFLC can help them | Jan 31 22:39 |
| gnufreex | They do pro bono suing | Jan 31 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Its not like the blender foundation has a lot of free cash. | Jan 31 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie blender cannot aford to lose. | Jan 31 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Yes the sucky part about the law. | Jan 31 22:39 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, but SFLC offers legal services to non-profits | Jan 31 22:39 |
| gnufreex | Blender foundation is non profit | Jan 31 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Services is one thing. | Jan 31 22:40 |
| gnufreex | so they don't need to pay anyting | Jan 31 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Others have attacked this guy. | Jan 31 22:40 |
| oiaohm | Note those sites are the same guy. | Jan 31 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | Unity hmm just read somethign else about it ongubuntu yeah hmm at Unity, dock on the left and yeah | Jan 31 22:40 |
| oiaohm | All he does is move his servers to where the law cannot touch him. | Jan 31 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | however the 2D version would probably be quite good with old lap tops | Jan 31 22:40 |
| oiaohm | So we will see more of that crap. | Jan 31 22:41 |
| oiaohm | 2d Version is QT. sebsebseb | Jan 31 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | yep I know | Jan 31 22:41 |
| oiaohm | Wonder if techrights should start a list of software trickesters. | Jan 31 22:42 |
| oiaohm | Like techrights has a list of trolls. | Jan 31 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | software tricksters? | Jan 31 22:42 |
| MinceR | i wonder what the people who like to complain about dependencies will say about unity | Jan 31 22:42 |
| MinceR | which apparently depends on both GTK+ and Qt | Jan 31 22:42 |
| oiaohm | software tricksters ie one that take open source reband it as there own and attempt to hide the fact. | Jan 31 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah indeed at that | Jan 31 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and QT on the Ubuntu 11.10 Live CD as well for that matter | Jan 31 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the version of Unity. | Jan 31 22:43 |
| MinceR | at least this time they put something on the CD that isn't a sack of shit | Jan 31 22:43 |
| oiaohm | Unity 2d depends on qt | Jan 31 22:44 |
| MinceR | unlike mono | Jan 31 22:44 |
| oiaohm | Unity the 3d version depends on gtk | Jan 31 22:44 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: sure but how are they going to handle fallback if not both "versions" are included? | Jan 31 22:44 |
| oiaohm | So each don't force both to be installed. | Jan 31 22:44 |
| oiaohm | Really its stupid.. | Jan 31 22:44 |
| oiaohm | QT version will auto do the 3d acceleration if it there. | Jan 31 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I been mixing Gnome/QT and KDE/GTK apps since 2005 I guess it is, and I still don't understand the big fuss from these people who have issues mixing | Jan 31 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | and I did my / stuff wrong above hmm | Jan 31 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | by mistake | Jan 31 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome/GTK KDE/QT | Jan 31 22:45 |
| oiaohm | Really delete mono off the live cd use QT applications instead. | Jan 31 22:45 |
| oiaohm | And you will have space for more applications. | Jan 31 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh, but the Ubuntu Tech Board think Mono is ok to provide, since no one has been sued over it yet | Jan 31 22:46 |
| oiaohm | But putting QT on there they will have to justify Mono presence more. | Jan 31 22:47 |
| oiaohm | GTK and QT are what the most open source applications are written in. | Jan 31 22:47 |
| MinceR | i wonder how long they can keep going before they'll just say "because shuttleworth said so" | Jan 31 22:48 |
| MinceR | or "because we want to force mono into the foundation of gnu/linux" | Jan 31 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Next 12 will be interesting | Jan 31 22:49 |
| oiaohm | Particularly with the unified applications system coming to Linux distributions. | Jan 31 22:49 |
| MinceR | ? | Jan 31 22:50 |
| oiaohm | appstream | Jan 31 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Have you not heard of this yet? | Jan 31 22:50 |
| MinceR | no | Jan 31 22:50 |
| oiaohm | http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/AppStream/Implementation | Jan 31 22:50 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: distributions Wiki - AppStream/Implementation .::. Size~: 13.71 KB | Jan 31 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Don't have the artical | Jan 31 22:50 |
| MinceR | oh, i thought you meant some kind of symantec bullshit and i was even more mystified than before | Jan 31 22:51 |
| oiaohm | But Ubuntu Debian Redhat Fedora Suse Nokia and a few others have already signed off on it. | Jan 31 22:51 |
| MinceR | anyway, what is this? | Jan 31 22:51 |
| oiaohm | A unfied applications store for Linux. | Jan 31 22:51 |
| MinceR | you mean a unified package manager repository for gnu/linux? | Jan 31 22:52 |
| MinceR | s/manager // | Jan 31 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. It applies to the /opt directory. | Jan 31 22:52 |
| MinceR | all i see in WP is that they'd use a common "installer" (whatever that's supposed to be) and a common GUI (something like PackageKit, i guess) | Jan 31 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Not the complete system. | Jan 31 22:52 |
| MinceR | it's getting clearer | Jan 31 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jan 31 22:53 |
| MinceR | well, there were many attempts to do that but maybe with support of several major distros this one might actually work | Jan 31 22:53 |
| MinceR | that would be nice | Jan 31 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Common installer intergration into the normal package manager front ends. | Jan 31 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Android has kinda scared them into action. | Jan 31 22:53 |
| MinceR | is this targeted at proprietary softare, free software, or both? | Jan 31 22:53 |
| oiaohm | Both | Jan 31 22:54 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 31 22:54 |
| oiaohm | proprietary are allready complaining the spec lacks DRM of course. | Jan 31 22:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 31 22:54 |
| MinceR | they refuse to learn their lesson | Jan 31 22:54 |
| oiaohm | Also more fun they are planing to extend it to windows. | Jan 31 22:55 |
| MinceR | it would be ironic if gnu/linux distributors were to develop one feature for winblows that winblows has sorely lacked for ages | Jan 31 22:58 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure, if winblows is worth the effort | Jan 31 22:58 |
| oiaohm | To remove the need for open source developed to be creating update systems for windows over and over again. | Jan 31 22:59 |
| oiaohm | http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/ This is also fairly new MinceR | Jan 31 22:59 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: distributions Wiki - FrontPage .::. Size~: 12.87 KB | Jan 31 22:59 |
| MinceR | there's no need -- anyone who wants that to be automated can just upgrade to gnu/linux and get a system that already does all that :> | Jan 31 23:01 |
| MinceR | if a user insists on winblows, they can have fun with hunting down .exe-s and clicking Next until they get RSI | Jan 31 23:01 |
| oiaohm | But it to help with migration. | Jan 31 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie the more cross platform applications people are using before they jump the less painful the landing is. | Jan 31 23:02 |
| MinceR | ic | Jan 31 23:02 |
| MinceR | well, he who writes the code makes the call :> | Jan 31 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Might as well make it simple for developers to access all markets without having to work hard. | Jan 31 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie same installer different build run hello windows support. | Jan 31 23:04 |
| oiaohm | Will be very nice for them. | Jan 31 23:04 |
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| oiaohm | Also will put presure on MS idea for an app store to be truly cross platform. MinceR | Jan 31 23:06 |
| MinceR | huh? | Jan 31 23:06 |
| oiaohm | http://distributions.freedesktop.org/wiki/Meetings/AppInstaller2011 Here is the list of people who agreed. MinceR | Jan 31 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: distributions Wiki - Meetings/AppInstaller2011 .::. Size~: 19.33 KB | Jan 31 23:07 |
| oiaohm | Quite a broad bunch of the Linux world realy. | Jan 31 23:07 |
| MinceR | sure, but what was the m$ idea? | Jan 31 23:09 |
| oiaohm | To create a appstore covering WP7 and Windows 8 | Jan 31 23:09 |
| MinceR | that's not "truly cross-platform" | Jan 31 23:10 |
| MinceR | that's what m$ likes to call cross-platform | Jan 31 23:10 |
| MinceR | that's what m$ meant when they said that ".net is portable" or some bullshit like that | Jan 31 23:11 |
| oiaohm | But a common application source for Linux is more than overdue. | Jan 31 23:11 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jan 31 23:12 |
| oiaohm | The question is once it released will we at long last see comericals look at Linux more. | Jan 31 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Since deployment will be simpler. | Jan 31 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | the app | Jan 31 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | store stuff | Jan 31 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | and all that | Jan 31 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | just been talking to one of the Mageia guys about that kind of thing | Jan 31 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | also no Mageia won't just go and use Ubuntu Software Centre probably, because of the copyright assignments | Jan 31 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it may have something similar later on | Jan 31 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Jan 31 23:44 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oiaohm so no need to worry about stuff like that at the moment really | Jan 31 23:45 |
| sebsebseb | also distros should work more together :) | Jan 31 23:45 |
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