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txdvFaither: and what time frame do you think mokia will *die*?Feb 13 00:00
MinceRhm, i wonder how well the m$ scheme to pay people to use their search engine wentFeb 13 00:00
MinceRprobably not well, since they stoppedFeb 13 00:00
oiaohmReally the Nokia move is to try to slow Linux down.Feb 13 00:00
txdvin what *Feb 13 00:00
oiaohmFaither: txdv and MinceR can any of you name the game changing thing Meego was working on.Feb 13 00:01
MinceRoiaohm: GNU/Linux on smartphonesFeb 13 00:01
oiaohmMissed.  MinceRFeb 13 00:01
MinceRalso, using the same distro on a wide range of devicesFeb 13 00:01
gnufreexoiaohm: "Linux"? They just killed only GNU/Linux moblile platform. Microsoft can compete with Linux, it can't with GNU. Feb 13 00:01
MinceRoiaohm: it is game changingFeb 13 00:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks news update http://wlcentral.org/ !wlFeb 13 00:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[maymaym/@maymaym] Corporate plots to undermine !Wikileaks & their supporters straight out of 1984: http://ur1.ca/387dv http://ur1.ca/363y5 http://is.gd/lNUEuJFeb 13 00:01
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oiaohmThe big game changer is the single kernel for all arm devices.Feb 13 00:02
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MinceRnah, the common kernel was already thereFeb 13 00:02
oiaohmIn binary form.Feb 13 00:02
MinceRAndroid used that kernel too, more or lessFeb 13 00:02
FaitherIt is a free platform where you could virtually run every thing you want and are in control of your own dataFeb 13 00:02
oiaohmNo its a unique kernel per device still in Android.  MinceRFeb 13 00:02
MinceRit's still Linux.Feb 13 00:02
oiaohmBut binary its unique per device.Feb 13 00:02
MinceReven on desktop PCs you can compile different binariesFeb 13 00:02
MinceRmany people doFeb 13 00:03
gnufreexMinceR: android kernel is incompatible with Linux kernel. Wakelocks, binder instead Dbus . Android Drivers can't be merged to Linxu kernel Feb 13 00:03
MinceRfor example, if you don't use initrd, you have to compile your root filesystem driver into the kernelFeb 13 00:03
oiaohmBut on the PC you can build a single kernel to run on most of them.Feb 13 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] I don't get American late night shows. "You're such an interesting person. Whoops, your five minutes is up. Good luck with the thing. Next!"Feb 13 00:03
MinceRgnufreex: there still probably is a lot of common codeFeb 13 00:03
MinceRdbus is in the kernel?Feb 13 00:03
oiaohmSo software and hardware can be split on a PC.Feb 13 00:03
FaitherCoudln't MeeGo run Android apps as of late?Feb 13 00:03
MinceRiirc there was some software that could do thatFeb 13 00:03
oiaohmicedroid is underway.  FaitherFeb 13 00:04
MinceRnot sure of its statusFeb 13 00:04
MinceRbut it shouldn't be too difficult anywayFeb 13 00:04
oiaohmMeego due to lack of vendors was having to look at the single kernel everywhere option.Feb 13 00:04
MinceRin the worst case, you could install the android SDK and run the emulator it comes with :>Feb 13 00:04
gnufreexThere are common code, but development is not common. It is one way street. Android rebases on newest version of Linux kernel but no code flows from Android to lkml. MinceRFeb 13 00:04
oiaohmgnufreex: some code flows from android to main kernel.Feb 13 00:05
oiaohmgnufreex: some area are highly disputed.Feb 13 00:05
oiaohmgnufreex: Current Linux kernel has a api that can do equal to WakelocksFeb 13 00:05
txdvwhy did google fork at all?Feb 13 00:05
gnufreexoiaohm: no hardware drivers. Feb 13 00:05
MinceRprobably because they can't play nice with othersFeb 13 00:05
oiaohmtxdv: do you think google search runs a standard kernel.Feb 13 00:05
oiaohmGoogle has forked off there own invention for years.Feb 13 00:06
oiaohmPredates android by a long way.Feb 13 00:06
gnufreex<txdv> why did google fork at all?Feb 13 00:06
gnufreexbecause they are greedy basrards, they don't want their code to end up in areal GNU/Linux like MeeGO or such.Feb 13 00:06
oiaohmgnufreex: the fork predates android.Feb 13 00:06
txdvOoFeb 13 00:06
gnufreexoiaohm: You mean MeeGO? It doesn't predate android... it created android.Feb 13 00:06
oiaohmThe fork happened right at the start of google.  Feb 13 00:06
oiaohmIe google own kernel started in 1998Feb 13 00:07
txdvgnufreex: you know that meego belongs to the linux foundationFeb 13 00:07
oiaohmSo to google doing there own kernel internally was normal.Feb 13 00:07
txdvso you are stating that the linux foundation is not interested in getting code into the main kernel?Feb 13 00:07
gnufreexoiaohm: No, that is not same fork. They don't use server kernel in androidFeb 13 00:07
gnufreextxdv: I knowFeb 13 00:07
oiaohmgnufreex: Its the same development team.Feb 13 00:08
oiaohmWho has been making custom kernels for google internal operations.Feb 13 00:08
txdvWhat do you know?Feb 13 00:08
txdvIt was a questionFeb 13 00:08
gnufreextxdv: No, I say Android team don't want their code in main kernel/Feb 13 00:08
oiaohmWho has not played well with the mainline since 1998.Feb 13 00:08
oiaohmgnufreex: Really wrong.Feb 13 00:08
txdvBecause of greed?Feb 13 00:08
oiaohmAndroid team has been putting up there designs to lkml.Feb 13 00:08
gnufreexokFeb 13 00:09
MinceRis the android kernel fork related to the fork that drives the search engine?Feb 13 00:09
gnufreexWait a secFeb 13 00:09
MinceRseems unlikely to meFeb 13 00:09
gnufreexWe are talking diferent thing hareFeb 13 00:09
gnufreexhereFeb 13 00:09
oiaohmMinceR:  There is not one Linux kernel driving the search engine.Feb 13 00:09
gnufreexGoogle's server fork of Linux is separate from androidFeb 13 00:09
oiaohmMinceR:  they are many different kernels inside google.Feb 13 00:09
gnufreexGoogle's server Linux started in 2004Feb 13 00:09
gnufreexAndroid started in 2005 as separate companyFeb 13 00:10
gnufreexAnd google bought it laterFeb 13 00:10
MinceRthere's a pointFeb 13 00:10
gnufreexCompletely separate.Feb 13 00:10
oiaohmMaking custom kernels has been normal to google.Feb 13 00:10
gnufreexAndroid was meant to only take code, never push upstreamFeb 13 00:10
oiaohm2004 is when they decided to move to a common ish image between departments.Feb 13 00:10
oiaohm2006 Google started pushing some of there core code upstream.Feb 13 00:11
gnufreexYeah, they push code from server versionFeb 13 00:11
oiaohmand from androidFeb 13 00:11
gnufreex they started doing that regularly in 2009Feb 13 00:11
gnufreexbefore that, it was almost nothngFeb 13 00:11
txdvnot many people care about these thingsFeb 13 00:11
gnufreexGreg KH tried to convince them many timesFeb 13 00:12
oiaohmBut items like the design wakelocks and and android frame buffer failed Linux kernel design.  gnufreexFeb 13 00:12
gnufreexThey only started listening in 2009Feb 13 00:12
oiaohmgnufreex: One problem.Feb 13 00:12
oiaohmWhat managment system for ther code do you think google was still using for there kernel upto 2009Feb 13 00:12
oiaohmthere kernels.Feb 13 00:13
gnufreexPerforceFeb 13 00:13
oiaohmNopFeb 13 00:13
oiaohmCVSFeb 13 00:13
oiaohmCVS kinda does not play well with GIT.Feb 13 00:13
oiaohmYes the CVS usage goes all the way back to 1998Feb 13 00:13
gnufreexI remember torvald's talk at Google (there is video on youtube), he was try to talk them into droping perforce for Git.Feb 13 00:13
oiaohmperforce was being used for google libc and other projects.Feb 13 00:14
gnufreexmaybe. Not sure about that.Feb 13 00:14
oiaohmAnd google guys were not owning up to Linus what they were running either.Feb 13 00:14
oiaohmBut kinda came obouse in 2009 when patches started coming in.Feb 13 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Enough hacking. Off to bed...Feb 13 00:15
txdvhe was actually talking about how much cvs and svn sucksFeb 13 00:15
oiaohmThe process was CVS to perforce then to git was what google was doing.Feb 13 00:15
gnufreextxdv: Yes. Did you see the video?Feb 13 00:15
txdvyeahFeb 13 00:15
oiaohmBut sanity has taken over at google.Feb 13 00:15
gnufreexHe also tried to pitch gitFeb 13 00:15
oiaohmAnd they have moved there kernel trees to gitFeb 13 00:15
oiaohmProblem is git allows forking more than CVSFeb 13 00:16
txdvhow is that a problem?Feb 13 00:16
oiaohmWith google internal staff forking is something they will do.Feb 13 00:16
txdvI though GNU people love diversityFeb 13 00:16
gnufreextxdv what problem?Feb 13 00:16
oiaohmDiversity is fine as long as it making it way back upstream.Feb 13 00:16
txdv"Problem is git allows forking more than CVS"Feb 13 00:17
oiaohmForking and failure to return up stream over and over again slowly weakens you location.Feb 13 00:17
txdvthis is complete and utter bullshitFeb 13 00:17
txdvthe lack of upstream is not an issue of the technologyFeb 13 00:17
oiaohmGit does allow forking of tree without kicking person in teeth as much with maintanice issues.  Feb 13 00:18
gnufreexForking just for sake of forking is problem. Feb 13 00:18
oiaohmCVS if you fork off you kinda run into hell trying to merge updatesFeb 13 00:18
oiaohmSo forking with CVS turns really really painful.Feb 13 00:18
gnufreexYeah, CVS is crapFeb 13 00:18
gnufreexNot just because of thatFeb 13 00:19
MinceRcan't you just turn cvs commits into git commits and then merge them?Feb 13 00:19
oiaohm That is very messy.  MinceRFeb 13 00:19
txdvactually not messy at allFeb 13 00:20
oiaohmYou have to be able to map back to the existing git commits.Feb 13 00:20
txdvYou just need to checkout the entire svn repo which is slowFeb 13 00:20
oiaohmGit makes the process of merging very clean.  txdvFeb 13 00:20
txdvyeah i knowFeb 13 00:20
oiaohmwhen its git to gitFeb 13 00:20
txdvno need to tell me thatFeb 13 00:20
oiaohmSo what I call messy it compared to git to gitFeb 13 00:21
txdvwhat is actually interesting is that gnufreex thinks that easy forking is not goodFeb 13 00:21
gnufreextxdv no I didn't said thatFeb 13 00:21
oiaohmForking is ok as long as the forks merge or the weak forks die off.Feb 13 00:21
oiaohmWhat is bad is when forks just keep on growing like a plague.Feb 13 00:22
oiaohmThat google is having issues with.Feb 13 00:22
gnufreexI just said that forking just because of forking should be discouraged. But now with vesion control system. I think should be socialy discouraged txdvFeb 13 00:22
txdvoiaohm: so the existence of all the linux distributions is bad?Feb 13 00:22
oiaohmFork with 1 developer behind it is not good. txdvFeb 13 00:22
oiaohmIt simply a case of too few devolpers to audit there work.Feb 13 00:23
oiaohmFedora has a very good upstream policy so they don't run into the too few developer issue.  txdvFeb 13 00:23
oiaohmUbuntu and Debian and a lot of other developers suffer from it.Feb 13 00:24
oiaohmLeading to quality problems.Feb 13 00:24
txdvdoesnt debian suffer from ubuntu?Feb 13 00:24
oiaohmDebian issues predate Ubuntu.Feb 13 00:24
oiaohmDebian has improved in recent years.Feb 13 00:24
oiaohmUbuntu has got more and more worse.Feb 13 00:25
txdv:DFeb 13 00:25
oiaohmBut the same basic issue exists.  1 maintainer taken care of 1 package applying what ever patch they think is good.Feb 13 00:25
txdvWhat so bad about Ubuntu?Feb 13 00:25
oiaohmWithout checking with upstream.Feb 13 00:26
oiaohmClassic example is jackaudio and wine having major issues on the current release Ubuntu kernels.Feb 13 00:26
oiaohmDue to a prototype performance boosting patch being merged.Feb 13 00:26
oiaohmBut it requires other software to work that Ubuntu does not have.Feb 13 00:26
oiaohmThat upstream maker of the code said would not be released for another 3 months yet.Feb 13 00:27
txdvfreaking animalsFeb 13 00:27
txdvwhat were they thinkingFeb 13 00:27
oiaohmAnd that is not unique for a single maintainer taken care of a package that is not working with upstream.Feb 13 00:28
oiaohmIts highly common accross all distributions maintainers.  txdvFeb 13 00:28
txdvso what is the best distribution from your point of view?Feb 13 00:28
cubezzzthe one you make yourself :)Feb 13 00:29
txdv:DFeb 13 00:29
oiaohmcubezzz: really that can be the worst if you are stupid.Feb 13 00:29
FaitherlolFeb 13 00:29
sebsebsebtxdv: PC Linux OS is one of the best right now, unless wanting Gnome Shell or UnityFeb 13 00:29
txdvBecause you can apply whatever patch you want to :DFeb 13 00:29
cubezzzI like Debian Lenny actuallyFeb 13 00:29
cubezzzand FC1, and BL3Feb 13 00:29
cubezzzdepends on the hardware I'm usingFeb 13 00:29
oiaohmDebian has been weeding out there solo maintainers not doing the right thing.Feb 13 00:29
sebsebsebtxdv: or KDE 4.6 for that matter, which they aren't doing just yet since some bugs in itFeb 13 00:30
oiaohmPeople are not aware that Ubuntu formed when Debian started weeding out bad maintainers.Feb 13 00:30
oiaohmFedora weeding out bad maintainers first.Feb 13 00:30
txdvWhats so good about pclinuxos?Feb 13 00:30
cubezzzfor example, let's say you only had 16 megs of memory...Feb 13 00:30
txdvThe name is kinda interesting :DFeb 13 00:30
cubezzzthen BL3 is a good choiceFeb 13 00:30
sebsebsebtxdv: well it was forked from MandrivaFeb 13 00:30
oiaohmtxdv: basically what you need to check is the packaging policy.Feb 13 00:30
sebsebsebtxdv: back in 2007Feb 13 00:30
oiaohmtxdv: do they have a upstream first policyFeb 13 00:31
sebsebsebtxdv: was quite popular for a while as well, and it's a rolling releaseFeb 13 00:31
sebsebsebtxdv: keeps up to date with later versions of packages, however they are very so much about stability and thatFeb 13 00:31
oiaohmtxdv:  if they don't the distribution quaility will be more suspect than it should be.Feb 13 00:31
FaitherI like the KISS approach of archlinuxFeb 13 00:31
cubezzzthe fact of the matter is software creep will always occurFeb 13 00:31
sebsebsebtxdv: it's not like ArchLinux for example which is yep a rolling release, but one that keeps on getting the very latest versions of packagesFeb 13 00:31
oiaohmarch is one that does not tollerage non upstream patches.Feb 13 00:31
oiaohmFedora and arch are fairly equal on quality.Feb 13 00:32
sebsebsebtxdv: and they support six desktops offically and are a 100% community distro :)Feb 13 00:32
Diablo-D3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb5c9n3nIJMFeb 13 00:32
sebsebsebtxdv: and all that, http://pclinuxos.comFeb 13 00:32
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sebsebsebtxdv: for now I run this on here, other computer is still MandrivaFeb 13 00:32
cubezzzslitaz isn't bad on 256 megs of memFeb 13 00:32
sebsebsebtxdv: I'll probably end up putting Fedora 15 on here in May or something,  since Gnome 3, and I guess even Unity in the repos :DFeb 13 00:32
oiaohmtxdv: basically when you know that forked to far is bad.  That maintainers working upstream reduce fork issues.  You know what to look for to sort the good the bad and the ugly distributions from each other.Feb 13 00:33
txdvim using "awesome window manager"Feb 13 00:33
sebsebsebtxdv: and I may give Ubuntu 11.04 development versions more of a try on here for real on pshyhicall hardware before then, not sureFeb 13 00:33
sebsebsebtxdv: yep you can install awesome  into PCLOS of courseFeb 13 00:33
Faitherarchlinux aswell xDFeb 13 00:34
txdvthe main thing i like about debian is that there are ashitload of packagesFeb 13 00:34
sebsebsebtxdv: uhmm it's like that for most Desktop Linux distros reallyFeb 13 00:34
txdvespecially all the dev packagesFeb 13 00:34
cubezzzdebian is good if you're into shortware tooFeb 13 00:34
sebsebsebcubezzz: shortware ?Feb 13 00:34
txdvsebsebseb: i tried archlinux, it had no dev packages whatsoeverFeb 13 00:35
cubezzzer, shortwave radio  I meanFeb 13 00:35
MinceRit also has no docsFeb 13 00:35
MinceRin the packagesFeb 13 00:35
oiaohmtxdv: source code that makes binarys has no dev packages eitherFeb 13 00:35
Faitherif you want docs in packages you can build them with abs with a few keystrokesFeb 13 00:35
oiaohmtxdv: dev packages are distrobution inventions.Feb 13 00:35
Faitherunder archlinuxFeb 13 00:36
MinceRi want them in by defaultFeb 13 00:36
cubezzzbtw, does any distro come with _all_ the source?Feb 13 00:36
txdvoiaohm: well it makes my life easierFeb 13 00:36
FaitherLinux from scratch? xDFeb 13 00:36
MinceRmany distros have official source packagesFeb 13 00:36
MinceRwhen i got RH7, there was a disc that had source code, iircFeb 13 00:36
cubezzzI mean why use FOSS if you don't ever use the source luke?Feb 13 00:36
oiaohmThere are a few.  cubezzzFeb 13 00:36
MinceRof course, Gentoo would have to come with the sourcesFeb 13 00:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Mexican & Colombian cables http://alturl.com/i9wtf !wlFeb 13 00:36
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MinceRsame with SourceMage and other source-based distrosFeb 13 00:36
oiaohmcrux also MinceRFeb 13 00:37
FaitherAnd with ABS you can run archlinux in gentoo mode aswell xDFeb 13 00:37
cubezzzthere's stuff in FC1 I'd never used, even after 7 yearsFeb 13 00:37
cubezzzdevice drivers for tape drives...Feb 13 00:38
txdvtape drives are awesomeFeb 13 00:39
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cubezzzok, but nothing can touch my Quantum Maverick :)Feb 13 00:39
cubezzzstill works after 17 yearsFeb 13 00:39
cubezzz300 milliwatts, not really too efficient though :)Feb 13 00:40
cubezzzactually I'm not sure how that compares to modern hard drivesFeb 13 00:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @satipera "State security" is more a magic cudgelFeb 13 00:41
Faitherokay i'm a goner xDFeb 13 00:41
Faithergn8Feb 13 00:42
cubezzzlaterFeb 13 00:42
Faitherdidn't realize it was 2 amFeb 13 00:42
Faitherwell... almostFeb 13 00:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] https://github.com/zotz/jSoundz - GPLFeb 13 00:45
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qu1j0t3300mW ?Feb 13 00:50
qu1j0t3modern hard drive is < 10 WattsFeb 13 00:50
qu1j0t3like min 2W in idleFeb 13 00:50
qu1j0t3iircFeb 13 00:50
qu1j0t3i forget the actual figures, check the WD Green drivesFeb 13 00:50
cubezzzqu1j0t3, ok but this drive is like 230 megsFeb 13 00:50
qu1j0t3wattage depends on cache sizeFeb 13 00:50
qu1j0t3cubezzz: that doesn't seem right at allFeb 13 00:51
cubezzzqu1j0t3, it's printed right on the top of the driveFeb 13 00:51
qu1j0t3oddFeb 13 00:51
cubezzzI'll see if I can find a picFeb 13 00:53
qu1j0t3i can't see how it could be 300mW in any modeFeb 13 00:53
cubezzzhttp://kraftsound.com/oscommerce_st/catalog/images/Maverick365AT.jpgFeb 13 00:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Meego is pretty nice in live mode, can't find the logout / shutdown menu though :/Feb 13 00:53
cubezzzoopsFeb 13 00:54
cubezzzsorry, milliampsFeb 13 00:55
cubezzzmy mistakeFeb 13 00:55
cubezzzthe print is very smallFeb 13 00:55
qu1j0t3yeah that makes senseFeb 13 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] hmm, pressing the poweroff button to trigger the menu is a new ideaFeb 13 00:56
cubezzzMaxtor acquired Quantum and then Seagate acquired Maxtor in 2006Feb 13 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonymousIRC: Great portal about Internet #censorship counter-measures: http://www.sesawe.net/ | #AnonymousFeb 13 01:10
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qu1j0t3cubezzz: nice antique, keep hold of itFeb 13 01:11
cubezzzI'm still using it :)Feb 13 01:11
qu1j0t3:)Feb 13 01:11
cubezzzstill remember paying $1360 for my first amiga hard driveFeb 13 01:12
cubezzzback then, it was a big deal to have an amiga 500 with a bootable hard driveFeb 13 01:12
cubezzzback in 1987 or 1988Feb 13 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @DemocracyCanada: Can somebody explain why political parties are exempt from “truth in advertising” requirements of the CCAS? #cdnpoliFeb 13 01:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Suleiman promised to stop Gaza elections http://alturl.com/hcqyu !wlFeb 13 01:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rbonifaz/@rbonifaz] Aquí un cable de !wikileaks que habla de !ecuador, #texaco y el #yasuní http://cablesearch.org/cable/view.php?id=08BRASILIA1572&hl=texacoFeb 13 01:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] First and last valentine of the year. Back to soldering #toobusytocare #singleandlovingitFeb 13 01:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @DemocracyCanada: Man who says #Ottawa police broke his nose cleared of all charges: http://bit.ly/fJ14nJ #cdnpoliFeb 13 02:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter #Ottawa police broke his nose and then charged him? Nice of them to drop charges... Police wonder why we don't trust them?Feb 13 02:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @laurelrusswurm Did you read what the judge said?Feb 13 02:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] This is so much better than CNN http://ur1.ca/388q2Feb 13 02:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Many new cables for Brazil http://alturl.com/2wmcn !wlFeb 13 02:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Speak out against the PATRIOT Act! We need your voice now more than ever. https://eff.org/r.5ydFeb 13 02:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter That the judge didn't believe the officers?Feb 13 02:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange's 2008 essay "The Hidden Curse of Thomas Paine" eerily prophetic in hindsight http://is.gd/qzHqQ2 !wlFeb 13 02:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @eff Speak out against the PATRIOT Act! We need your voice now more than ever. https://eff.org/r.5ydFeb 13 02:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] Oh! #nascar taught me a new word tonight: coopetitionFeb 13 03:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] Of course, that is not nearly as cool as @ludost's "engineerd(ing)" #AwesomeNewWordsFeb 13 03:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @laurelrusswurm Yes. When a judge doesn't believe three cops, you know that there's something very wrong.Feb 13 03:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @atopiary: "HBGary has no official position on security. Please do not comment to the press on security. We know nothing about security."Feb 13 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: At the Habitat For Humanity Valentine's Fundraiser, Huntsville, Muskoka... http://yfrog.com/h49fvbrjFeb 13 03:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @therealjanisian: Quote of the day: "I don't deserve this award, but I have arthritis and I don't deserve that either." --Jack BennyFeb 13 03:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Yes. Something is very wrong indeed. Interestingly, the police were somewhat out of hand in #egypt too.Feb 13 03:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @laurelrusswurm Never mind in United States, and England, and too many other places.Feb 13 03:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RD @AnonyOps Thinly veiled fascism from Ann coulter. CPAC audience applauds when she says more journalists s/b jailed. http://ur1.ca/389jsFeb 13 05:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter RT @DemocracyCanada: Man who says #Ottawa police broke his nose cleared of all charges: http://bit.ly/fJ14nJ #cdnpoliFeb 13 05:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter RT @DemocracyCanada: Can somebody explain why political parties are exempt from “truth in advertising” requirements of ...Feb 13 05:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gouki/@gouki] New !wl #cables relased regarding #brasil http://wikileaks.ch/reldate/2011-02-13_0.htmlFeb 13 05:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[hazzy/@hazzy] Can I pass data between pages (on the same domain) with Javascript using HTML5's local storage feature?Feb 13 05:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Elop is after me http://ur1.ca/383ts bureaucrats who destroy, not create. #microsoftClient #entryism #elopFeb 13 05:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !WikiLeaks : #Suleiman promised to stop Gaza elections http://ur1.ca/389oc so much for will of the people...Feb 13 05:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @ahannula: Nokia CEO has 261302 Microsoft shares and 0 Nokia shares. Quite funny, isn't it? http://t.co/xr684Rs #nokia #in #microsoftFeb 13 05:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The honourable @csmart has just relaunched #Kororaa , the first live distro to come with 3-D out of the box http://kororaa.orgFeb 13 05:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @schestowitz: The honourable @csmart has relaunched #Kororaa , the first live distro to come with 3-D out of the box http://kororaa.orgFeb 13 06:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @rms Canadian tar sand oil http://ur1.ca/389dfFeb 13 06:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @psquid Businesscat knows what needs to be done. http://i.imgur.com/WkIrI.jpgFeb 13 06:05
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/cdsmart/status/36665729340145665Feb 13 06:05
TechrightsBot-tr@cdsmart: @schestowitz Honourable, or questionable?! ;-) I hope you get to try it some time and let me know what you think.. :-) Cheers!Feb 13 06:05
schestowitzI might try a new distro at work soon (I used Fedora October-January)Feb 13 06:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Many new cables for Brazil http://wikileaks.ch/reldate/2011-02-13_0.html http://bit.ly/gEWecXFeb 13 06:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Assange's 2008 essay "The Hidden Curse of Thomas Paine" eerily prophetic in hindsight http://is.gd/qzHqQ2 http://bit.ly/eaMiE4Feb 13 06:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[hazzy/@hazzy] @hazzy Replying to myself, but I figured it out.Feb 13 06:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] One day I'll learn the words. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN62PAKoBfEFeb 13 06:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why You Need to Have a #Linux LiveCD http://ur1.ca/389yc "avoiding Windows and its infection."Feb 13 06:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #LibreOffice Sees First Update Already http://ur1.ca/389ym development has momentumFeb 13 06:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Is Debian Dying? http://ur1.ca/389yq Byfield with a sensationalist headline. *Sigh*Feb 13 06:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 5 Factors for Open Source Success http://ur1.ca/389zb #germany #gnu #linux #egovFeb 13 06:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Workspaces come to #Unity 2D http://ur1.ca/38a0w #ubuntu #gnu #linuxFeb 13 06:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] A !MeeGo timeline: What led up to today's #Nokia #Microsoft partnership? http://is.gd/VDukcM #NokMsftFeb 13 06:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My Photography-Centric #Linux Migration http://ur1.ca/38a27 #photographyFeb 13 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft #KDE ? http://ur1.ca/38a2h not likely at allFeb 13 06:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The coming of #GNOME 3 http://ur1.ca/38a2s #gnu #linuxFeb 13 06:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] found a few new #Drupal screencasts http://www.drupaltherapy.com/node/2023Feb 13 06:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Revisited: #KDE 4.6 http://ur1.ca/38a3y "de Icaza's support of the Nokia-Microsoft partnership seems to be the last straw, even for me"Feb 13 07:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] First Stable Release Of #Mageia In June: Exclusive Interview http://ur1.ca/38a4g #mandriva #gnu #linux #franceFeb 13 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] First open hardware definition has been released http://is.gd/1HkOVP /cc: !qihardware !openhardwareFeb 13 07:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Three little zillas from Taiwan http://ur1.ca/38a5g good stuff to know. #Taiwan #gnu #linuxFeb 13 07:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ingredients http://ur1.ca/38a5r one picture says it all. #qt #meego #gtk #gnuFeb 13 07:10
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/64376315Feb 13 07:10
TechrightsBot-tr@gabe's status on Sunday, 13-Feb-11 06:43:25 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz The title and the conclusion bother me. "Debian will probably keep going for a few more years." As if the project can't adaptFeb 13 07:10
schestowitzindeedFeb 13 07:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] EFF wants you to know about the Patriot Act extension bill https://secure.eff.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=461Feb 13 07:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cuba Announces Migration to Open-Source Software http://ur1.ca/38a62 "More than 8,000 computers at the University of Computer Sciences"Feb 13 07:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Stephen #Elop chants 'Developers, developers, developers' to close Nokia World http://is.gd/nc6wER #15sep2010Feb 13 07:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] and they didn't see this one coming? oh please... the guy was already much up to this from his appointment.Feb 13 07:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Slap Upside The Head: "Harper Votes Against Trans Rights Bill" http://ur1.ca/38a98Feb 13 07:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Elop is after me http://ur1.ca/383ts /cc: !QtFeb 13 07:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New articles in Spanish at !techrights http://ur1.ca/38adc http://ur1.ca/38add http://ur1.ca/38ade http://ur1.ca/38adfFeb 13 07:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Jim Zemlin: "The Linux Foundation is disappointed in Nokia’s decision" http://ur1.ca/38ag4 Miguel de Icaza is excited about it, though.Feb 13 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @gbraad Elop is after me http://ur1.ca/383tsFeb 13 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Miguel de Icaza chatting with anti-Linux people who lobby for Microsoft interests http://ur1.ca/38agfFeb 13 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @schestowitz Jim Zemlin: "The Linux Foundation is disappointed in Nokia’s decision" http://ur1.ca/38ag4 Miguel de Icaza is excited ab ...Feb 13 08:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] AIG: Corporate Welfare King Mouths Off http://ur1.ca/38agu AIG, which stole from the public, says the public deserves nothingFeb 13 08:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Thanks, Miguel. That's what I thought. http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/36114380802228224Feb 13 08:06
TechrightsBot-tr@migueldeicaza: @FOSSpatents They made a "call for patents" because they have not found anything that WebM infringes.Feb 13 08:06
amarsh04schestowitz, remember that de Icaza appeared in the movie "Antitrust"Feb 13 08:14
schestowitzDid he?Feb 13 08:14
schestowitzI heard of the film...Feb 13 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Neil Tyson - Human Intelligence? http://ur1.ca/38aii #iqFeb 13 08:15
schestowitzWhat was he on about... how Microsoft was all innocent?Feb 13 08:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Daily Motion to stream Live news from Al Jazeera, BBC etc http://ur1.ca/38aiyFeb 13 08:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Nokia workers walk out after hearing about the deal with Microsoft: http://ur1.ca/37rssFeb 13 08:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] huh? RT @migueldeicaza Today Nokia announced it will do more patent monetization. If they have anything RHT needs, could be fun ;-) #fbFeb 13 08:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Recharging !android phone. Battery completely dead after a night of app-shenanigans including; Drum Kit, Big Fart Button, !lastfm player :)Feb 13 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @richslxh Nokia workers walk out after hearing about the deal with Microsoft: http://ur1.ca/37rssFeb 13 08:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @harishpillay you RD'd it erroneously. It's Microsoft Florian who wrote this to the Microsoft MVP (de Icaza).Feb 13 08:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft may want to 'pull a CPTN' on Nokia. Elop won't prevent this.Feb 13 08:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 13/2/2011: Cuba’s GNU/Linux Migration, New Mageia Interview http://ur1.ca/38an6 !techrightsFeb 13 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 13/2/2011: Cuba’s GNU/Linux Migration, New Mageia Interview http://ur1.ca/38an6 #techrightsFeb 13 08:35
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amarsh04de Icaza was an "open source" person who appeared briefly in the movie having his hand shaken by Scott McNealyFeb 13 08:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just rescued half a Rich Tea biscuit from drowning in my coffee, if it involved diving in I'd count myself as a hero, but it was a spoon :/Feb 13 08:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Reported #regressions 2.6.38-rc4-git5: From 2.6.37 (18 unresolved) http://bit.ly/h9TFGx 2.6.36 -> 2.6.37 http://bit.ly/ghNSeE (30 unresolv.)Feb 13 08:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] DAMNIT! Why did I buy the suicidal packet of Tea biccies? WHY? They're rejecting me, determined to drown in the coffee :((Feb 13 08:56
schestowitzamarsh04: heheFeb 13 08:57
schestowitzMcNealy and .NET booster?Feb 13 08:58
amarsh04yes...Feb 13 08:58
gnufreexMcNealy... he is Microsoft haterFeb 13 08:58
gnufreexNot .NET boosterFeb 13 08:58
gnufreexHe was .NET busterFeb 13 08:59
schestowitzDe Icaza...Feb 13 08:59
schestowitz[08:36] <amarsh04> de Icaza was an "open source" person who appeared briefly in the movie having his hand shaken by Scott McNealyFeb 13 08:59
gnufreexah...Feb 13 09:00
gnufreexWhat movie? Feb 13 09:01
amarsh04http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_%28film%29Feb 13 09:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @schestowitz hmm. mea culpa then ;pFeb 13 09:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Cool !debian squeeze wallpaper on deviantart: http://madeinkobaia.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d2teva3Feb 13 09:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RD WikiLeaks: Suleiman promised to stop Gaza elections http://is.gd/R2EBqp !Palestine via @schestowitz #warondemocracyFeb 13 09:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] hokay sleep time. ASU/UA game tomorrow, and some homeworkin'... Fun stuffFeb 13 09:15
*amarsh04 wonders how many have already said that microsoft eloped with and is ... nokiaFeb 13 09:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @ufa: Min© apaga do seu site seminários sobre direito autoral: http://www.trezentos.blog.br/?p=5549 #MIncFeb 13 09:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @thistleweb Those biscuits were obviously abused as ingredients.Feb 13 09:18
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schestowitzFor agesFeb 13 09:19
schestowitzSince months agoFeb 13 09:19
schestowitzThe Register was when I first saw itFeb 13 09:20
schestowitzFrom Gavin ClarkeFeb 13 09:20
schestowitzBut that was when he left MicrosoftFeb 13 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RD @birgittaj Anarchy means "without leaders"; not "without order".Feb 13 09:20
schestowitzThey say he eloped (not WITH Ballmer)Feb 13 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Nokia new strategic direction. What is the future for #Qt? - http://bit.ly/eDv1IT i.e, nasty, brutish and shortFeb 13 09:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] Brazilian Min. of ©ult removes from its site records of years of public debates on copyright reform http://ur1.ca/38axg ♻@ufa #MIncFeb 13 09:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] The Telegraph: Egyptian 'torturers' trained by FBI http://ur1.ca/3662a !WikiLeaks !cablegateFeb 13 09:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Microsoft, #Nokia, and #MeeGo: Are they all doomed? - http://bit.ly/hiL5kC makes some excellent pointsFeb 13 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Our World, Slowed Down 100 Times - http://on.mash.to/fA9r8Z moments of surprising grace and beauty in the quotidian #videoFeb 13 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody #Microsoft, #Nokia, and #MeeGo: Are they all doomed? - http://bit.ly/hiL5kC makes some excellent pointsFeb 13 09:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @satipera maybe, although I don't want to have to counsel them before waterboarding them in boiling coffeeFeb 13 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cuba Announces Migration to Open-Source Software - http://bit.ly/i76qYk El pueblo unido jamás será vencido #cuba #gnulinuxFeb 13 09:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Utah quake: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Maps/US2/39.41.-113.-111.phpFeb 13 09:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Utah quake had 2.8 magnitude. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/uu00005927.phpFeb 13 09:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @glynmoody So Nokia just practically said "we have bright future for Qt.. until we phase out Symbian. Then is all .NET and WP7". #elopolypseFeb 13 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Telegraph: #Algeria shuts down internet and #Facebook as protest mounts http://ur1.ca/38azu #democracy #PeacefulProtestFeb 13 09:35
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schestowitzhttp://apps.ycombinator.com/item?id=2212078 "Yea, Techrights has several cases where ex-Microsoft people that was hired recently led the company to add a MS stack as an option. It is interesting that an issue that was discussed there years ago has become more widely discussed recently."Feb 13 09:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Mostafa Boshashi, head of Algerian League for Human Rights, said: "Algerians want their voices to be heard too. They want democratic change"Feb 13 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Nokia tell Qt developers to stay. They need them until Symbian is phased out. Then they'll show them door. http://ur1.ca/3893vFeb 13 09:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Tony Blair, Middle East envoy... The alcoholic in charge of the brewing industry.Feb 13 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Blair is banging on about how bad Iran is just for a change. He must still think he is in front of the Chilcott inquiry.Feb 13 09:55
schestowitztessier: I think Varnish serves for "/" (root) 503 for some odd reason like poisoned cache. Is that possible? been going on for half an hour or so.Feb 13 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Nokia isn't Elop's first victim. #elopolypse http://piacentini.blog.br/2011/02/elop-is-after-me/Feb 13 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is it just me, or does #Firebug become fucking useless when you move the pointer to the panel to scroll the properties and it deselects?Feb 13 09:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] http://www.elop.org/ #elopolypseFeb 13 09:57
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/Feb 13 10:06
TechrightsBot-tr@: Feb 13 10:06
schestowitzError...Feb 13 10:06
schestowitzI think bad cache and I can't access the varnish cacheFeb 13 10:06
schestowitzHopefully the cache will expire shortlyFeb 13 10:07
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schestowitzOK, cache clearedFeb 13 10:09
schestowitzoiaohm: hiFeb 13 10:09
schestowitzWhat would you do if a cache server gets an error page and then caches that as though that's the page to serve to users?Feb 13 10:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Egypt, the protesters have been given an IOU and they are not sure if it will be honoured.Feb 13 10:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @splitbrain: für die Offenlegung der Berliner Wasserverträge gestimmt. Schlimm dass das nicht selbstverständlich istFeb 13 10:18
schestowitzredirect is not the issue then, I guess cache... still a problemFeb 13 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] BlenderNation • by Community Reporter: !Blender for #Biology in Boston http://ping.fm/UxjYLFeb 13 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Logging into Minecraft for a bit...Feb 13 10:25
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fab1IsCZzYFeb 13 10:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Making breakfast. *sigh*Feb 13 10:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Fin media is caling for legal action against Elop http://ur1.ca/38bhbFeb 13 10:35
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oiaohmschestowitz: Depends on the cache.  Touch the new copy so that the date is latter than the date of the error page that is cached.Feb 13 10:36
oiaohmschestowitz: some cases clearing cache is the only way.Feb 13 10:37
oiaohmschestowitz: man touch Yes touch is a command not physically touch as some people try to do.Feb 13 10:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Look at "Top 10 Other Holders: MSFT" http://ur1.ca/38ae1 Elop (Stephen A) 130,026 3.18 MFeb 13 10:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android applications running on BlackBerry's PlayBook - Gmtennis - Techno News http://ping.fm/AZTugFeb 13 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Extinguishing fires on the Minecraft server. Bloody arsonists....Feb 13 10:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just crafted me some axes. Let's contain this fucker.....Feb 13 10:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The server banded together, extinguished the fire and planted trees. I love the !LO communityFeb 13 11:03
schestowitzLet me try it...Feb 13 11:09
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/Feb 13 11:10
TechrightsBot-tr@: Feb 13 11:10
schestowitzStill not workingFeb 13 11:10
gnufreexYeah...Feb 13 11:11
oiaohmNice its giving a blank page.  schestowitzFeb 13 11:12
oiaohmstories is working schestowitzFeb 13 11:13
schestowitzit gave varnish sometimesFeb 13 11:13
schestowitzoiaohm: everything works except itFeb 13 11:13
schestowitztessier must be asleepFeb 13 11:13
schestowitzIt's not urgent enough for wake-upFeb 13 11:13
oiaohmIs that page dynamic or static?  schestowitzFeb 13 11:14
oiaohmstatic touch the file.Feb 13 11:14
schestowitzDynamicFeb 13 11:14
schestowitzAnd I cleared all cacheFeb 13 11:14
schestowitzVarnish seems to have improperly cached it or something, that's my guess anywayFeb 13 11:15
oiaohmAnd you have tried ssh to server to see if locally it presenting the correct page.  schestowitzFeb 13 11:15
schestowitzAnd it worked momentarily a short while agoFeb 13 11:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] To OMG!Ubuntu!, it's called spellcheck. !ffsFeb 13 11:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] fail.Feb 13 11:15
oiaohmschestowitz: Ie forward port 80 on server to some local port using sshFeb 13 11:15
schestowitzLet me try...Feb 13 11:15
schestowitzI'll also try to fetch the page locallyFeb 13 11:15
oiaohmThis is a evence based game.  schestowitzFeb 13 11:16
schestowitzboycottnovell ~]# cat index.html Feb 13 11:16
schestowitz<!-- Page not cached by WP Super Cache. No closing HTML tag. Check your theme. -->Feb 13 11:16
schestowitzAfter Feb 13 11:16
schestowitz@boycottnovell ~]# wget techrights.orgFeb 13 11:16
schestowitz--2011-02-13 03:15:54--  http://techrights.org/Feb 13 11:16
TechrightsBot-tr@: Feb 13 11:16
schestowitzResolving techrights.org... 216.105.40.114Feb 13 11:16
oiaohmwget 127.0.0.1Feb 13 11:17
oiaohmschestowitz: wget http://127.0.0.1Feb 13 11:17
oiaohmFrom memory it decated hosting now right. schestowitzFeb 13 11:17
oiaohmIe I want to see what the appache is spitting out schestowitzFeb 13 11:18
oiaohmIts really simple to blame the cache when it not.Feb 13 11:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[codepope/@codepope] Experimenting with AfficheurFeb 13 11:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Trying to kill the last fire near the Flaming Skull now...Feb 13 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Couldn't subscribe to @encyclomundi (from silner@silner.status.net or silner@identi.ca) ?Feb 13 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] New Assange interview (video) | SBS http://is.gd/gKbC39 !wlFeb 13 11:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] marvelous, just seen a tee shirt, people's republic of CornwallFeb 13 11:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Extinguished a lot of fire on the Minecraft server. Now off to do the first Rant of Fab & Kuhn with @bkuhn.Feb 13 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @glynmoody #Microsoft, #Nokia, and !MeeGo: Are they all doomed? - http://bit.ly/hiL5kC makes some excellent pointsFeb 13 11:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Pymp - YouTube downloader and video to MP3 converter: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7021 #N900 #MaemoFeb 13 11:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegoblog: Fujitsu Announces Their First MeeGo OS Netbook, It's Really Thin http://nowskip.to/hPhJ1M #MeeGoFeb 13 11:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: We are getting ready for #MWC11, Visit us at AppPlanet Hall 7 #MWC11, come by our boothFeb 13 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @SlipKoRnSaad RT @MobileCrunch Palm's Ari Jaaksi (Who Previously Lead MeeGo At Nokia) On Nokia Ditching MeeGo http://tinyurl.com/4eqzmhjFeb 13 12:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: Join us for a cocktail hour on Tuesday, Feb 15 and Wednesday, Feb 16 at 5 pm #MWC11 #AppUpFeb 13 12:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Starting to get to grips with 8pen it makes sense on a phone !androidFeb 13 12:03
schestowitzoiaohm: let me try...Feb 13 12:06
schestowitzwget http://127.0.0.1 outputs the same pageFeb 13 12:07
schestowitzNow it works (at least momentarily) from the Web browserFeb 13 12:07
oiaohmschestowitz: so direct to apache is giving you a error?Feb 13 12:11
oiaohmIf that is the case the cache is not to blame but something has gone south in the site.Feb 13 12:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] it strikes me when capitalists talk about democracy they mean people they can do business withFeb 13 12:13
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gnufreexschestowitz: Did you see my last few dents. Finish newspapers are predicting a lawsuits against elop and pointing out that he is Microsoft shareholder. Feb 13 12:26
schestowitzYesFeb 13 12:27
schestowitzExcellent!Feb 13 12:27
schestowitzoiaohm: correctFeb 13 12:27
schestowitzoiaohm: what would cause root to act different than anything else?Feb 13 12:27
schestowitzI've looked around the site a bit, nothing raises similar errorsFeb 13 12:27
oiaohmSo you done the basic sanity tests of our test.Feb 13 12:28
oiaohmie wget://127.0.0.1/?stories  that should be working schestowitzFeb 13 12:28
oiaohmI keep on forgoting that you are not a full time admin and presume basics.  schestowitzFeb 13 12:29
oiaohmYes bad of me.Feb 13 12:29
schestowitzLocally I get the same results as outside the serverFeb 13 12:31
schestowitzi.e. empty page for root and fine page for everything elseFeb 13 12:31
oiaohmIe ?stories works?Feb 13 12:31
schestowitzYesFeb 13 12:31
schestowitzSo I guess it's not cacheFeb 13 12:31
oiaohmIt has to be some form of site damage.Feb 13 12:31
schestowitzAt one point I tried removing a redirection, but it didn't helpFeb 13 12:31
oiaohmI guess your site is not sitting in a git or equal that you can check for alterations.Feb 13 12:31
schestowitzNoFeb 13 12:32
oiaohmAnd you don't have a local reference copy.Feb 13 12:32
oiaohmthis is one of the reasons why was saying to have a local reference copy.Feb 13 12:32
oiaohmstrange things happen and a compare file by file helps a lot.Feb 13 12:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] steeds meer Nederlanders te vinden op Identi.caFeb 13 12:33
schestowitzIt might be DB relatedFeb 13 12:35
schestowitzAll the WordPress settings go thereFeb 13 12:35
schestowitzI didn't really much anything in the FS before it started happeningFeb 13 12:36
schestowitzI just posted daily linksFeb 13 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @gbraad en Nederlands (+ Vlaams)!Feb 13 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @johanvnl Ik zou het niet beter kunnen verwoorden :) http://ur1.ca/38bpq < /cc: !MeeGo "Nokia - Microsoft: a marriage of two 'losers'"Feb 13 12:38
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schestowitzoiaohm: what we know is that spordically it works... for like a minute maybe. I can't spot the patternFeb 13 12:39
schestowitzbut off/on pattern implies it might be something than just outright misconfigurationFeb 13 12:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] NY attorney on Bradley Manning http://is.gd/iDxJAA !wlFeb 13 12:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @csarven @Google did an excellent !ux job with the Art Project. Where is Louvre Museum? The French don't want to share what they stole?Feb 13 12:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Having lunch with the family.Feb 13 12:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Scanning [/nokia/dev/symbian, /nokia/dev/meego]... Warning: w32.elop.trojan found. /from: @amanda_lamFeb 13 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @amanda_lam Nokia Corporation, a subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation. (de facto) #nokia #elopocalypseFeb 13 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @mwkn: Community: What now for #MeeGo? Some proposals http://is.gd/gvfzTl #maemoFeb 13 12:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] what does Jorma Ollila think of this partnership? He actually made #NokiaFeb 13 13:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Troubleshooting an openvpn connection with @bkuhn. This could be a rant topic in and of itself. :)Feb 13 13:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Searches from yesterday: "wordpress sex" "hilarious instructions" "devel sex" "wordpress plugin for sex" #sex_math_programmingFeb 13 13:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[codepope/@codepope] Trying to decide if I want to spend the time debugging Adium's "lets make identica unusable if someone mentions you" bug…Feb 13 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Elop is not crazy to hold any Nokia stock http://ur1.ca/38cejFeb 13 13:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @rupertg Interesting finance fact: Stephen A Elop is Microsoft's 7th-largest individual shareholder. http://aol.it/giiS11 >>well, wellFeb 13 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2011-02-13: Document Freedom Day 2011 Don't for a second underestimate the importance of document for... http://wmk.me/h9iA7rFeb 13 13:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Score one for !moodle: !TeX display works, at least with setenforce 0 on !fedora 14 #selinuxFeb 13 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @gnufreex: Nokia tell Qt developers to stay. They need them until Symbian is phased out. Then they'll show them door http://ur1.ca/3893vFeb 13 13:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Guardian journalist who may have lost accreditation over WikiLeaks back in Moscow http://is.gd/Ya0yY8 !wlFeb 13 13:26
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schestowitzzoobab: what's up w/ the EU patent?Feb 13 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Juste recorded the intro episode of #rantofabkuhn. Just a very quick 6 min intro. Now it's on to the first rant... :)Feb 13 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @gerrymoth: RT @meetmeego: A little teaser what awaits you tomorrow: http://bit.ly/eCF8IF #MeeGo #Smartphone #TabletFeb 13 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @gerrymoth: RT @LinuxBot2: RT @MeeGoExperts: "Comitted to Linux" Blogpost by a Nokia employee working on #MeeGo http://is.gd/ZoFhsGFeb 13 13:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @tlaukkanen: Using Nokia #N900, TwimGo and big screen TV to keep up with the #mwc tweets http://twitpic.com/3zcwdzFeb 13 13:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] RT @meegoportal RT @gerrymoth: RT @LinuxBot2: RT @MeeGoExperts: "Comitted to Linux" Blogpost by a Nokia employee working on #MeeGo http: ...Feb 13 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex Ahh, that says all... Now, we have a conflict of interests here, Elop will sink Nokia to help his shares in M$.Feb 13 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @agentsmith I hope there is a law against destroying companies from inside in Finland so they can jail him. If not, they need to make law.Feb 13 13:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex Well, I hope so. Finland seems a lot more serious about white collar crimes than US. If US was serious, Ballmer was already jailedFeb 13 13:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @agentsmith Is there any sign of a legal challenge?Feb 13 14:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera I don't know finnish laws, but I expect them to be more serious than US laws. US laws R a joke.Feb 13 14:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Btw, about QT and KDE, it's time to pull a LibreOffice on Nokia. If we all wait, maybe it will be too late.Feb 13 14:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @agentsmith Not sure if Elop even is in Finland. He surely realized that fins would catapult him into Baltic sea if they get a hold of him.Feb 13 14:06
schestowitzhttp://www.olpcmap.net/ Nice..Feb 13 14:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex Just one thing puzzles me: Where were Nokia shareholders minds when they got Elop on board Nokia ? Naivety at its worstFeb 13 14:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @tlaukkanen: Just uploaded new binaries of TwimGo 2.7 for Nokia #N8 and #N900 http://is.gd/cDligM dark theme, fixes, settings, etc.Feb 13 14:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @tlaukkanen: Wrote a short blog post of new TwimGo 2.7 release: http://bit.ly/twimgo27 #Qt #QML #N900 #E7 #N8Feb 13 14:10
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schestowitzhttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/02/07/apple_ipad_tomorrow_people/Feb 13 14:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] @agentsmith maybe it's unnecessary.... because: "KDE Free Qt Foundation" http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.phpFeb 13 14:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @agentsmith It seems that few largest Nokia shareholders are US based and are also M$ shareholders. A clever scheme by M$.Feb 13 14:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: RT@rupertg Interesting finance fact: Stephen A Elop is Microsoft's 7th-largest individual shareholder. http://aol.it/giiS11 ...Feb 13 14:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @agentsmith Probably double shareholders think that MSFT gain would be bigger than nokia's lost.Feb 13 14:16
schestowitzhttp://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/185-jennifer-cloer/402139-we-need-your-help-on-it-securityFeb 13 14:18
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schestowitz"It is the combination of generous sponsorships from companies like Centrify and the contributions from Linux.com community members that help us ensure the site delivers on all matters Linux. "Feb 13 14:18
schestowitzBlechFeb 13 14:18
schestowitzSelling out to Microsoft boostersFeb 13 14:18
gnufreexLinux foundation is corporate shell. It serves as smoke screen for community. People trust it more than corporations and in fact it is worse.Feb 13 14:19
gnufreexSame with Eclipse and Apache Feb 13 14:20
gnufreexThat was entire point with corporations shunning FSF. They want their sockpuppets and FSF dont want to be a sockpuppet. Feb 13 14:21
gnufreexOnly FSF, SFLC, and Conservancy have credibility with me.Feb 13 14:21
oiaohmLinux foundation exists to solve employment disputes.Feb 13 14:22
oiaohmLinus really cannot own to any single company.Feb 13 14:22
oiaohmOne of the main reason for the foundation is to pay LinusFeb 13 14:22
oiaohmCentrify has been handy to Linux to locate a lot of security flaws.Feb 13 14:23
gnufreexI don't get, how much money is enough for Torvalds?Feb 13 14:25
gnufreexAll those companies paying him, he must be a bilionaireFeb 13 14:25
oiaohmThat was the problem.Feb 13 14:25
gnufreexThere are more than 100 companies in LFFeb 13 14:26
oiaohmLinus does not want to be a billionaireFeb 13 14:26
oiaohmthe bids back when the foundation started got to 100 million a year for him.Feb 13 14:26
gnufreexOk, so he is not quite a billionaire, but closeFeb 13 14:27
oiaohmHe takes what he clases as a fair pay rate for a lead developers.Feb 13 14:27
oiaohmIe so he is not a billionare.Feb 13 14:27
oiaohmWhat is left over is used to pay for projects that may be helpful to linux.  Like meego and LSB.Feb 13 14:28
oiaohmAnd then there is the linux.com employment ageence who job is to find good coders without funding.Feb 13 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex Ha, 2 turkeys don't make 1 eagle. It's Nokia's demise, without being M$'s salvation.Feb 13 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex Feel sorry for the finnish people.Feb 13 14:28
oiaohmAnd match them up with funding so they can work full time.  gnufreexFeb 13 14:28
oiaohmEven if it means the Linux foundation acting as a proxy between many parties.Feb 13 14:29
oiaohmSo lot of Linux rapid development is linked to what the foundation is doing with the money Linus does not want.  gnufreexFeb 13 14:29
gnufreexFSF collected bellow  500k this yearFeb 13 14:29
gnufreexTorvalds didn't deserve any of thatFeb 13 14:29
gnufreexThey should fire him and use that money to hire real devsFeb 13 14:30
oiaohmRemember I said the Linux foundation started because of a bidding war for Linus.Feb 13 14:30
oiaohmReason why he did not take it is that he did to believe he should be payed multi millions.Feb 13 14:31
oiaohmDue to the comunity nature of the project.Feb 13 14:31
oiaohmFSF employing Linus would have never worked.  gnufreexFeb 13 14:32
gnufreexIf he got paid billions he would lose credibilty in community. He wants to be a God so he chose to give up some money to retain deity status.Feb 13 14:32
gnufreexI was not saying FSF should employ LinusFeb 13 14:32
oiaohmBig thing is why did all those companies want to own LinusFeb 13 14:33
oiaohmTo control the future of Linux.Feb 13 14:33
oiaohmand to make sure no other company got him.Feb 13 14:33
oiaohmLinux foundation has worked out very will really.Feb 13 14:33
oiaohmStopped a lot of stupid bidding wars for leads of particular open source projects as well.Feb 13 14:34
oiaohmBasically FSF and the Linux foundation has two fairly different roles.Feb 13 14:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ovigia Yup, but Qt going BSD style licensing is atrocious at the best... Should be GPL v3Feb 13 14:35
oiaohmFSF exists to push forwards rights.Feb 13 14:35
gnufreexYeah, LF is about providing free labour to companies, while FSF is about providing freedom to users. Feb 13 14:35
oiaohmNo LF is not about free labour.Feb 13 14:35
oiaohmIf companies what the ear of Linus they will employ developers.Feb 13 14:36
oiaohmIn the LF employment system.Feb 13 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks in Peru http://elcomercio.pe/impresa/ !wlFeb 13 14:37
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oiaohmLF is a very warped form of job angency matching people with companies.  gnufreexFeb 13 14:37
oiaohmIf FSF started doing that its pushing for rights would not look very good.Feb 13 14:37
oiaohmBasically two different jobs.Feb 13 14:37
gnufreexWhat I don't get is why is Torvalds that important? Feb 13 14:38
gnufreexHe is subpar programer, a flameboy personality, and pretty anti-FOSS personFeb 13 14:38
gnufreexAll he did is slap his name on missing piece of GNUFeb 13 14:39
gnufreexRight place in the right time.Feb 13 14:39
gnufreexNothing more.Feb 13 14:39
oiaohmsubpar programmer is not exactly right.   Remember Torvalds is a qualified chip designer.Feb 13 14:39
oiaohmThis does make him a good person to have in the mix.Feb 13 14:40
gnufreexNo he's notFeb 13 14:40
oiaohmHe is gnufreexFeb 13 14:40
gnufreexHe worked on x86 emulator at TransmetaFeb 13 14:40
oiaohmAnd the chip design that was running on was his.Feb 13 14:40
gnufreexTransmeta made VLIW processor that emulated x86Feb 13 14:40
gnufreexAnd he was just one of staff tweaking emulatorFeb 13 14:41
oiaohmVLIW processor by Transmeta is LinusFeb 13 14:41
gnufreexHe doesn't design chips.Feb 13 14:41
gnufreexNo it isn'tFeb 13 14:41
oiaohmLinus is on the patents leading to it.Feb 13 14:41
gnufreex It is dave ditzel and bunch of ex DECiesFeb 13 14:41
gnufreexAnd some ex SunShinersFeb 13 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Del Castillo pidió apoyo a embajada de EE.UU. para que Lourdes Flores admita derrota http://is.gd/XRc4zN !wlFeb 13 14:41
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gnufreexThere is nothing really unique about Transmeta chips. Feb 13 14:42
gnufreexVLIW is invented same time as RISCFeb 13 14:42
gnufreexJust nobody had luck comercializing itFeb 13 14:42
gnufreexIt is really very simple designFeb 13 14:43
gnufreexEvery software engineer could design VLIW Feb 13 14:43
oiaohmVLIW used by transmeta had a lot of changes for power management.  Those are linus.Feb 13 14:43
oiaohmLinus Uni course was hardware engineering.Feb 13 14:44
gnufreexLongRun you mean?Feb 13 14:44
oiaohmgnufreex: guess what was part of Linus uni course design your own VLIW chip.Feb 13 14:44
oiaohmYes some of the LongRun tech comes straight out of what Linus did at uniFeb 13 14:45
gnufreexI am not sure about that so I won't claim.Feb 13 14:45
oiaohmLinus had dreams of being a hardware designer.Feb 13 14:45
gnufreexBut I know that most of VLIW design is about compilerFeb 13 14:45
oiaohmAnd has end up in charge of Linux instead.Feb 13 14:45
gnufreexAnd in case of Transmeta, an x86 amulatorFeb 13 14:46
oiaohmHaving someone at the top with understanding of circuits has been useful.Feb 13 14:46
oiaohmPool of just coders would not have worked as well.Feb 13 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Perú: funcionaria chavista se reunió con Humala para organizar anticumbre 2008 http://is.gd/XRc4zN http://is.gd/ETTRZ3 !wlFeb 13 14:46
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oiaohmEach person has to have there own speciality.Feb 13 14:47
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gnufreexTransmeta was pretty big failure of a companyFeb 13 14:47
gnufreexLet me show you one article about thatFeb 13 14:47
gnufreexWait a secFeb 13 14:47
oiaohmBe aware Transmeta tried to get around the embargo n x86 processor contruction.Feb 13 14:48
oiaohmBy AMD and Intel.Feb 13 14:48
oiaohmIt was a good attempt.Feb 13 14:48
gnufreexTransmeta initial plan was not x86 CPU. They mainly wanted to make VLIWFeb 13 14:49
gnufreexThen they thought it is cool to emulate x86Feb 13 14:49
gnufreexBecuase VLIW needs to emulate something anyways, Feb 13 14:49
gnufreexsince new VLIW implementation will not be backward compatibleFeb 13 14:50
gnufreexOne VLIW CPU can't be compatible with otherFeb 13 14:50
gnufreexunless it is sameFeb 13 14:50
gnufreexso they decided to write abstraction layerFeb 13 14:50
gnufreexan emulatorFeb 13 14:50
gnufreexthen they said: why not emulate x86 ?Feb 13 14:51
gnufreexHere is nice article about Transmeta Crusoe. http://www.vanshardware.com/articles/2003/07/030715_Transmeta/030715_Transmeta.htmFeb 13 14:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: VHJ: Tracking Transmeta .::. Size~: 80.07 KBFeb 13 14:53
gnufreexThat article spelled doom of TransmetaFeb 13 14:53
oiaohmIf you read linus uni papers he was way more dreamy at that age.  gnufreexFeb 13 14:53
oiaohmHis dream was a cpu that could process any other cpu instruction set.Feb 13 14:54
oiaohmNot a good dream.Feb 13 14:54
oiaohmNot that Linus is past making a mistake of grand scale.Feb 13 14:54
gnufreexThat was also my dream at one point. It is not lost yet. See Elbrus Feb 13 14:54
oiaohmNote I have not said Linus is perfect.Feb 13 14:55
gnufreexBut beleive me, Transmeta wining and surviving would be very bad for FOSS.Feb 13 14:56
oiaohmthe skill set Linus has is a good add to the mix.  Since he does have the language to talk to chip designer and coders fairly equally.Feb 13 14:56
gnufreexYou basicaly _have_ to have that piece of software (emulator) that Transmeta would never ever opensourceFeb 13 14:56
oiaohmBasically linus is the type of person you do want at the top of someone developing a OS due to skill set.Feb 13 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[invi/@invi] !fotolibre !wikileaks !softwarelibre Nos unimos para terminar con la censura http://ur1.ca/38cz3Feb 13 14:56
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oiaohmAlso his love of debating stuff out and flame wars over stuff has also being fairly productive.Feb 13 14:57
gnufreexAnd Torvalds was defending Transmeta's closed-sourcensess on LKMLFeb 13 14:57
oiaohmLinus does speek his mind.Feb 13 14:57
oiaohmEven if you don't like it.Feb 13 14:57
gnufreexThat is first time when I had deep dislike for himFeb 13 14:57
oiaohmDoes a project lead have to be liked?  gnufreexFeb 13 14:57
gnufreexHe sided with Transmeta against his projectFeb 13 14:58
oiaohmIts not really a requirment of the job.Feb 13 14:58
gnufreexHackers wanted emulatorFeb 13 14:58
oiaohmAlso what year was the talk on LKMLFeb 13 14:58
gnufreexHe provided crazy excusesFeb 13 14:58
gnufreexlike "security"Feb 13 14:58
oiaohmPre 2003 before he left transmeta or after?Feb 13 14:58
gnufreexLike Microsoft Feb 13 14:58
gnufreexHe still worked for themFeb 13 14:59
oiaohmAnd how much longer before he left.Feb 13 14:59
oiaohmYes the issue about working for some companies.Feb 13 14:59
gnufreexI think it was 2001 or 2002Feb 13 14:59
gnufreexWait till I findFeb 13 14:59
gnufreexhttp://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=105606848227636&w=2Feb 13 15:00
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gnufreexRead also follow upsFeb 13 15:01
gnufreexTransmeta refused to document internal instruction setFeb 13 15:01
gnufreexYou basically have to run their emulator and can't write your ownFeb 13 15:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Fujitsu unveils world's first !MeeGo netbook, world barely notices http://is.gd/w7ikJRFeb 13 15:01
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gnufreexThat shows that Torvalds is not proFOSS personFeb 13 15:02
gnufreexwhen he can support thatFeb 13 15:02
oiaohmAnd next month he no longer worked for Transmeta.  gnufreexFeb 13 15:02
gnufreexI doubt he pushed opensourcing. Feb 13 15:03
oiaohmwe will never fully know.Feb 13 15:03
gnufreexAnd he worked for years for them will knowing full well that his fellow hackers will hate closed tech.Feb 13 15:03
oiaohmBut I found it very interesting that inside a month of being questioned he put himself on the open market.Feb 13 15:03
gnufreexHe is not a God that people are painiting him to be.Feb 13 15:04
oiaohmReally who is perfect.  gnufreexFeb 13 15:06
gnufreexI am not expecting anybody to be perfect, but I hate that person that is not even interested in future of FOSS is being portrayed as poster boy of FOSS worldFeb 13 15:07
gnufreexSee his BitKeeper debacleFeb 13 15:08
gnufreex He defended Larry McVoyFeb 13 15:08
gnufreexEven when he yanked BK licenseFeb 13 15:08
gnufreexAnd then he atacked TridgeFeb 13 15:08
oiaohmRemember Tridge and Linus are still friends.Feb 13 15:09
oiaohmBoth have disputed with each other over the years.Feb 13 15:09
schestowitzI argued with Linux over freedomFeb 13 15:09
schestowitz*liusFeb 13 15:09
schestowitz*linusFeb 13 15:09
gnufreexLinus is in a way, like De IcazaFeb 13 15:10
gnufreexHe just isn't interested in higher level stuffFeb 13 15:10
schestowitzHe does not measure success in the same terms as FSF...Feb 13 15:10
gnufreexor else he will be boosting MonoFeb 13 15:10
oiaohmReally we need a person like Linus in the mix.   Lets say Linux was run by all freedom loving who did nothing for companies and hardware makers to match there likes.Feb 13 15:10
oiaohmI know is hard to have a person who fully does not follow the ideas of freedom.Feb 13 15:11
oiaohmBut its one of the reasons Linus is successful.Feb 13 15:11
oiaohmand Linux has done so well.Feb 13 15:11
gnufreexYeah, it is also one of reasons why M$ is sucessfulFeb 13 15:12
oiaohmgnufreex: At times I don't like Linus either.Feb 13 15:12
oiaohmBut I have got to see the importance of what he bring to the table.Feb 13 15:12
oiaohmTPM stuff has had almost an impossible time getting into BSD like kernels.Feb 13 15:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] How Old ATI GPUs Can Be Faster On Open Drivers: A few days ago when publishing the results of benchmarking a lot... http://bit.ly/hN5AtAFeb 13 15:13
gnufreexLinux trademark is not really that important.Feb 13 15:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] How Old ATI GPUs Can Be Faster On Open Drivers .::. Size~: 22.4 KBFeb 13 15:13
gnufreexWe can call it AlanixFeb 13 15:14
oiaohmtivo we might not have liked it but it did give Linux more embed hardware support.Feb 13 15:14
oiaohmBasically Linus playing to some of these groups short time hurts longterm Linux gains.Feb 13 15:14
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/blogs/browse/2011/02/hp-put-linux-printers-and-pc%E2%80%99s-it%E2%80%99s-end-era-windows < to LF's creditFeb 13 15:15
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gnufreexNow that Nokia is borged, we might not have any Phone to run GNU/LinuxFeb 13 15:15
schestowitzgnufreex: but Linux seen as a safe bet because of its age and backingFeb 13 15:15
gnufreexAll thanks to TorvaldsFeb 13 15:15
schestowitzLibreOffice also did well, unlike some Linux forksFeb 13 15:15
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schestowitzTrue, Android has no GNUFeb 13 15:16
schestowitzNot even real JavaFeb 13 15:16
gnufreexI bet he is happy. Android will be DRM laden Linux without GNU. He finally beats Stallman.Feb 13 15:16
schestowitzGooglOSFeb 13 15:16
TheMadHatterWhich is a problem with Android. Feb 13 15:16
schestowitzHey, WayneFeb 13 15:16
TheMadHatterMorning.Feb 13 15:16
TheMadHatterWas wondering if I could pick your brain.Feb 13 15:16
schestowitzTheMadHatter: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/leaked_security_firm_documents_show_plans_to_discr.phpFeb 13 15:16
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oiaohmgnufreex: Really no Linus is upset with Andriod.  due to the failure to work well with upstream.Feb 13 15:17
oiaohmgnufreex: Linus really does not care about userspace that much.  And that is something Stallman had trouble understanding.Feb 13 15:17
schestowitzTheMadHatter: we're all open-skulledFeb 13 15:17
gnufreex<oiaohm> gnufreex: Really no Linus is upset with Andriod.  due to the failure to work well with upstream.Feb 13 15:18
gnufreexoiaohm: I didn't get that wibe. He says he loves Android.Feb 13 15:18
TheMadHatterThanks. Looking for a list of deat Microsoft partners.Feb 13 15:18
TheMadHatterand did you see this:Feb 13 15:18
TheMadHatterhttp://minimsft.blogspot.com/2011/01/microsoft-fy11q2-results.htmlFeb 13 15:18
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TheMadHatterYep, Anonymous is a hilarious bunch. I gather that they haven't figured out exactly what they are yet.Feb 13 15:19
oiaohmgnufreex: statements and time frames are critical.  Love of android mostly when google was planing to upstream effectively.Feb 13 15:20
TheMadHatterhttp://crowdleaks.org/hbgary-wanted-to-suppress-stuxnet-research/Feb 13 15:20
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TheMadHatterhttp://diyblogger.net/the-truth-behind-wikileaksFeb 13 15:21
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gnufreexWell, he might finally get that those who remove GNU won't play nice with Linux either.... but he will pragmaticaly declare victory since Android at least have mutated Linux.Feb 13 15:21
TheMadHatterLinux isn't all that bright in some ways. Feb 13 15:22
gnufreexoiaohm: btw, thanks for nice disscusion. Do I sound too crazy?Feb 13 15:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] This is an interesting virtual newspaper - culling stuff from #fb - http://www.postpost.com/Feb 13 15:23
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TheMadHatterSorry, meant to say Linus.Feb 13 15:23
TheMadHatterHe's one hell of a programmer, but he doesn't understand the implications of what's happening.Feb 13 15:24
oiaohmInteresting how little MS income has gone up for the staff they have lost.Feb 13 15:24
TheMadHatterNext quarter report is going to be the interesting one.Feb 13 15:26
gnufreexTheMadHatter: Bruce Perens sumed it up nicely, when he said to Linus that he don't want to do politics but don't want to let other people do it for him. As result, corporations do politicking and have their way.Feb 13 15:26
gnufreex*as in, Linus don't let politicsFeb 13 15:26
oiaohmgnufreex: Not really I understand the way you see him.Feb 13 15:26
TheMadHatterhttp://www.boxertech.com/blog/post/Microsoft-Commerce-Server-Dead-or-MIA.aspxFeb 13 15:27
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oiaohmI have a habit of looking at the bigger picture.   gnufreexFeb 13 15:27
oiaohmof not just linus in isolation.Feb 13 15:27
oiaohmBasically linus in isolation Linux would not be what it is today.Feb 13 15:27
gnufreexoiaohm: I have habbit of looking ever bigger picture :-)Feb 13 15:27
schestowitzTheMadHatter: you need policestatewatch.us too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fab1IsCZzYFeb 13 15:28
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oiaohmReally mine is over history as well.  gnufreexFeb 13 15:28
oiaohmOf how lot of these bad things played out.Feb 13 15:28
oiaohmRemember the out cry over the tivo.Feb 13 15:28
gnufreexwhose picture is bigger... mine, no it is mine... :-)Feb 13 15:28
schestowitzTheMadHatter: more fleeing execs at MSFT. I'll try to cover it tonight.Feb 13 15:28
TheMadHatterI only have so much time - Police State Watch Canada I can develop on my own.Feb 13 15:28
oiaohmgnufreex: Lot of things work themselves as natual forces of open source take over.Feb 13 15:28
TheMadHatterGood. Um, so no one has a list of dead Microsoft partners? Best one I've found is from 2003.Feb 13 15:29
oiaohmgnufreex: grabing onto stuff too tight in the open source world normally puts you behind your competitors.Feb 13 15:29
gnufreexoiaohm: I used to thnk that, but I don't beleive in natural forces anymore. Not affter seing what Microsoft dark forces do.Feb 13 15:29
gnufreexThings must be planed and done to offset entrysimFeb 13 15:30
TheMadHatterBTW, I'm getting Error 503 Service Unavailable from Techrights.orgFeb 13 15:30
gnufreexor we are screwedFeb 13 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: AnonLeaks – How far is too far? 'This is blackmail.' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/48934Feb 13 15:30
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oiaohmIs open source chipping away at MS without very much planning.  gnufreexFeb 13 15:30
oiaohmYes it is.Feb 13 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Cable: European NGOs, social movements and the EU-LatAm summit http://alturl.com/6guyq !wlFeb 13 15:32
oiaohmHistory always has that a dark force over reachs and does something that direct that they no longer can hide.Feb 13 15:32
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oiaohmWhat MS just did to nokia might be bad enough gnufreexFeb 13 15:32
TheMadHatterThink of it as Evolution in Action.Feb 13 15:32
oiaohmThere are a lot of natural forces at play.Feb 13 15:33
oiaohmIts like mpeg la trying to find patents to attack webm because everyone is trying to avoid there patent trap now.  gnufreexFeb 13 15:33
oiaohmIe over playing there hand.Feb 13 15:33
oiaohmGoing to lead to there doom.Feb 13 15:33
schestowitz[15:30] <TheMadHatter> BTW, I'm getting Error 503 Service Unavailable from Techrights.orgFeb 13 15:34
schestowitzYes, I'm waiting for tessier to wake upFeb 13 15:34
schestowitzMaybe he's up now?Feb 13 15:34
schestowitzWe've had this issue since the morning, all other pages work fineFeb 13 15:34
oiaohmgnufreex: Also some of the court cases in the EU have been because MS actions have been that bad they cannot hide.Feb 13 15:35
oiaohmgnufreex: these large force effect things takes like for ever to happen.Feb 13 15:35
gnufreexWhat they just did with nokia is just one clumsy thing, tip of the ice bergFeb 13 15:35
oiaohmgnufreex: but when they do they are like a fault line moving.Feb 13 15:36
gnufreexthey done worseFeb 13 15:36
oiaohmProblem is it take that 1 clumsy thing.Feb 13 15:36
oiaohmThat is that direct and upset enough people to make the rest of the iceberg appear on them.Feb 13 15:36
oiaohmAs why the 1 clumsy thing happenned.Feb 13 15:36
oiaohmBasically MS has been slowly building a pandoras box.Feb 13 15:37
gnufreexMost things won't be documented ever. Bull Gates changed email retenttion policy to prevent truth from surfacing againFeb 13 15:37
oiaohmQuestion is when it will be opened.Feb 13 15:37
oiaohmNote its not MS documents alone that contain the evidence.Feb 13 15:37
oiaohmGoogle has the right idea. Try not todo evil.Feb 13 15:38
oiaohmBecause one day you have to pay for the evil you have done as a company.Feb 13 15:38
oiaohmgnufreex: Yes the large invisable forces that build up and its very much like a earthquake.Feb 13 15:40
oiaohmNothing Nothing crap our company is toast.Feb 13 15:40
oiaohmBecause no one trusts us at all todo anything.Feb 13 15:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Lubuntu: Lubuntu’s new theme ‘ozone’ ready for testing http://goo.gl/l1KEoFeb 13 15:55
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schestowitzgnufreex: http://blog.laptopmag.com/intel-were-not-blinking-on-meegoFeb 13 16:00
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schestowitzThis has me rethink my position of today's IntelFeb 13 16:00
schestowitzMeeGNU...Feb 13 16:00
gnufreexIt commes with Craptom... I mean AtomFeb 13 16:01
gnufreexBut it has meegoFeb 13 16:01
schestowitzhttp://ooo-speak.blogspot.com/2011/02/updates.htmlFeb 13 16:01
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schestowitzHe quitFeb 13 16:02
schestowitzgnufreex: as long as the can carry on a bitFeb 13 16:02
schestowitzBut...Feb 13 16:02
schestowitzQt is Nokia'sFeb 13 16:02
schestowitzAnd a lot of the OS..Feb 13 16:02
schestowitzMoblin is there, for sub-notebooksFeb 13 16:02
schestowitzBut netbook UX is abandoned, I thinkFeb 13 16:02
schestowitzWafaa said so IIRCFeb 13 16:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Is The President of #Turkey a Movie Pirate? - http://bit.ly/glDkaA time for him to join the Turkish Pirate Party, perhaps... #piracyFeb 13 16:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Al Jazeera’s Social Revolution (In Realtime) - rightfully a big winner from recent events #egypt #aljazeeraFeb 13 16:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Guy releases his own DNA under a !CC license http://ur1.ca/388d7Feb 13 16:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Year of the Hurd: 2010 brought some big improvements http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/news/2010.htmlFeb 13 16:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange new SBS interview transcript http://is.gd/rxIcOk !wlFeb 13 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @TechCrunch: Al Jazeera's Social Revolution (In Realtime) http://tcrn.ch/fwtReY by @erickschonfeldFeb 13 16:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Harvard Library Joins HathiTrust - http://bit.ly/hfQ10d "shared digital repository for published materials" #harvardFeb 13 16:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @phoronix: How Old ATI GPUs Can Be Faster On Open Drivers http://ff.im/-xVHo2Feb 13 16:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Gay couples may soon be able to tie the knot in church http://is.gd/VQZ7ML #BritishsocietyFeb 13 16:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] @fabsh Oh man, i used to have 2 HUGE boxes of lego, i LOVED it. :)Feb 13 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody Harvard Library Joins HathiTrust - http://bit.ly/hfQ10d "shared digital repository for published materials" #harvardFeb 13 16:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @kanarip Using the noop I/O Scheduler for KVM Virtualization through Puppet and Augeas http://tinyurl.com/499mvmnFeb 13 16:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] nice, short piece on "#Circumvention, #anonymity, and #privacy tools" - http://bit.ly/fbf9us from those nice #Tor peopleFeb 13 16:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] !listening to Alexisonfire - AccidentsFeb 13 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Chamber of Commerce lobbyists solicited firm to investigate opponents’ families, children - http://bit.ly/e1T83V there's a word for that...Feb 13 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[codepope/@codepope] Does anyone on identi.ca actually use #adium #adiumx ?Feb 13 16:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: nice, short piece on "#Circumvention, #anonymity, and #privacy tools" - http://bit.ly/fbf9us from those nice #Tor peopleFeb 13 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Is The President of #Turkey a Movie Pirate? - http://bit.ly/glDkaA time for him to join the Turkish Pirate Party, perhaps...Feb 13 16:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Just rewatched all the Star Wars Movies and now looking for some Stargate SG1, Fringe and V.Feb 13 16:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The #Ghent Declaration - http://bit.ly/gDeiRe furthering #openaccess, #opensource and #oerFeb 13 16:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] China activist Chen Guangcheng 'beaten' - http://bbc.in/fNAndQ beating up blind people: gosh, those security forces are so brave...Feb 13 16:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] So farewell to the cheesy phone OS - http://bit.ly/h4VGCB nice bit of #symbian history #psionFeb 13 16:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovruni/@ovruni] Documentos filtrados demuestran campaña sistemática para acabar con Wikileaks: http://ur1.ca/38dq9 !wikileaksFeb 13 17:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Executions Are Good, Says Iran’s Chief Justice - http://bit.ly/eDUz13 "Iran is executing one person every eight hours" #iran #deathpenaltyFeb 13 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonQC: RT @StopAhmadi: Iran government fear tomorrow's protests. Cell service, Internet and satellite is down #IranElection #25bahmanFeb 13 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] This time, the people of Haiti may win http://is.gd/k8MpIS #warondemocracyFeb 13 17:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @evan LOL :DFeb 13 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @windigo: Alright, back on the sauce. #minecraftFeb 13 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] PureOS 3.0 released http://pureos.org/Feb 13 17:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] good morning coffee!Feb 13 17:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Qatar Exchange rolls out !RedHat - ITP.net http://ping.fm/4BPqGFeb 13 17:43
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schestowitztessier: pingFeb 13 17:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[codepope/@codepope] Well, I think I have identified what the issue is with the statusnet support. If I'm right, the last id for replies isn't being updated.Feb 13 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @agentsmith Just got a thought. Maybe M$ has deal that makes Samsung and LG switch to 100% WP7 if M$ kills Nokia. That would answer some Qs.Feb 13 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[codepope/@codepope] Yup, a bit of plist editting seems to have supressed the constantly reappearing mention/reply in Adium. Now to find out why...Feb 13 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex Oh Oh, Kill Nokia to please the koreans ?A bit stretchy, don't you think ? Anyway, Intel better buy Qt and keep it away from NokiaFeb 13 17:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @agentsmith It is a bit stretchy, but there surely need to be some cartel at work, it doesn't makes sense otherwise. Numbers don't add up..Feb 13 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @agentsmith .. Microsoft simply won't have significant marketshare if they sink Nokia.Feb 13 18:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @agentsmith re Qt, I don't think Balmer will let it go. He will want to make a point that Free Software doesn't ensure stability of ecosys.Feb 13 18:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex Yup, but then, Nokia's demise was being fabricated by americans shareholders. Where's the finnish govmt now, is what I wonderFeb 13 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex Oh, sure, with so many thugs bent on killing free software, of course it won't survive. But then, there's Google & IntelFeb 13 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] UBS Whistleblower Finds Himself in Federal Prison http://ur1.ca/38e5z astonishing - those who commit crime stay free, exposers go to jailFeb 13 18:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex Intel is strongly commited to Meego because of M$'s afair with ARM. So, I believe Intel will go Meego way, just to stay relevantFeb 13 18:13
DaemonFCSeamonkey 2.1b2 candidates are being builtFeb 13 18:13
*DaemonFC just noticedFeb 13 18:14
DaemonFCso much for community project, someone leaned on them to implement the do not track spamFeb 13 18:14
DaemonFCyet Chatzilla has been broken since OctoberFeb 13 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex I would feel happy if Google would grab Qt. But Elop won't let it happen. Give a competitor a gem like Qt.Feb 13 18:15
DaemonFCuseless pref proliferation, suddenly everyone has to pollute their user prefs because Firefox didFeb 13 18:15
DaemonFCprivacy is such a hot issue, why don't they build privacy features into their browsers instead of feel good crap? :)Feb 13 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex More likely Elop will let Qt die. So, a FORK, like LibreOffice could be a solutionFeb 13 18:16
DaemonFCKDE has the right to take over QT and call it QT and license it under a BSD-style license should Nokia drop it from what I understandFeb 13 18:17
DaemonFCthe Free QT Foundation still existsFeb 13 18:18
DaemonFCNokia inherited that deal from TrolltechFeb 13 18:18
*DaemonFC doesn't think it should come down to a fork if KDE takes it overFeb 13 18:19
DaemonFCand KDE would have to take it over because everything in KDE's software package depends on itFeb 13 18:19
gnufreexI am not sure that Elop will honour any dealFeb 13 18:19
gnufreexthat would have to be fought through courtFeb 13 18:19
gnufreexWith long legal battleFeb 13 18:19
DaemonFCI don't think KDE is in any danger, either they take it over or they have the dominate fork and just rename itFeb 13 18:20
gnufreexWhat if Nokia does as deal says: Release it under BSDFeb 13 18:20
DaemonFC*dominant Feb 13 18:20
gnufreexAnd then demand patent royaltiesFeb 13 18:20
gnufreexBSD allows thatFeb 13 18:20
gnufreexIt has no patent clauseFeb 13 18:21
gnufreexeverything is permitedFeb 13 18:21
DaemonFCthen KDE could fork it under the terms of the LGPLFeb 13 18:21
DaemonFC:)Feb 13 18:21
gnufreexOk, they find few partners to put some cash in BSD versionFeb 13 18:21
gnufreexFragmentationFeb 13 18:21
DaemonFCit's granted as LGPL with licensing exceptions now I thinkFeb 13 18:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex But then, I hope for the finnish to give Elop the boot, Nokia's shares down 20%. Monday(tomorrow) will be interestingFeb 13 18:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Miguel de Icaza Helps Show He is an Enemy of GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/38e89 he has been very transparent recently, unlike the code he sellsFeb 13 18:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Miguel de Icaza Helps Show He is an Enemy of GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/38e89 #swpats #mono #gnome #nokia #gnu #linuxFeb 13 18:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android tablets in big demand - Trade Arabia http://ping.fm/jbgUvFeb 13 18:22
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DaemonFCif you take it as LGPL, you have patent grantsFeb 13 18:22
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gnufreexAnd then BSD kooks start improving BSD versionFeb 13 18:22
DaemonFCI doubt itFeb 13 18:22
gnufreexThey don't care about patentsFeb 13 18:22
DaemonFCthe BSD people pretty much drool all over KDEFeb 13 18:22
gnufreexthe are too smal to be suedFeb 13 18:22
DaemonFCthey'll take it LGPL if KDE doesFeb 13 18:22
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gnufreexand they are hell bent on screwing everying glpFeb 13 18:22
gnufreexgplFeb 13 18:22
DaemonFCyou'd be hard pressed to find any actual BSD users that have GNOMEFeb 13 18:23
gnufreexThat is whyFeb 13 18:23
DaemonFCit's there, it works just as well as on Linux, it's just usually not usedFeb 13 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] Ok so if Nokia is nowhere near ready to release a WP7 phone what was the point of jumping ship? #MWC11 #Nokia #MeeGoFeb 13 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Wow, that was one intense flamewar.Feb 13 18:23
gnufreexThey hope that Qt will be BSD licensed sometimesFeb 13 18:23
gnufreexAnd they they will take itFeb 13 18:23
gnufreexThey don't care about tecnology or freedomFeb 13 18:24
DaemonFCI think KDE is just a better match for the kind of people who tend to use FreeBSDFeb 13 18:24
gnufreexjust screwing GPLFeb 13 18:24
DaemonFCGNOME is there to placate idiots who are confused by featuresFeb 13 18:24
DaemonFCtheir argument for something being useless is that if they added features, it might confuse their motherFeb 13 18:25
gnufreexFreeBSD used to be fine just little militant against GPL (as all BSDs) but acceptable. But in recent years, they are like Balmers. Probably due to Microsfot entryism.Feb 13 18:25
gnufreexThey are hiring heavily from BSDsFeb 13 18:26
DaemonFCUbuntu is going with Banshee because they get to copypaste a bunch of the plug-in code for Amazon MP3 to use as Ubuntu OneFeb 13 18:26
gnufreexAnd inciting them against GNU/LinuxFeb 13 18:26
DaemonFCit's one less thing they have to maintainFeb 13 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] British Consul Closes Office to Duck Assange Letter http://is.gd/EG0ws6 !wlFeb 13 18:27
DaemonFCFreeBSD isn't a bad systemFeb 13 18:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] Msft has proven again they can't meet schedules with WP7's update (pushed back 2 month) how does it improve #Nokia devices time to market?Feb 13 18:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Texrat: Afterthought added to my "#MeeGo Limbo" article based on #MWC11 updates: http://bit.ly/dFRv1xFeb 13 18:27
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gnufreexFreeBSD is pretty good system. I used it in the past, but I want to thow up when visiting their forums. It became worse than Linsux.Feb 13 18:28
gnufreexAnd it is getting even worse with LLVM zealotry.Feb 13 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] Gutsy question :) RT @MeeGoExperts: Question: were you a Trojan horse? Board of directors reviewed and accepted the proposal #nokmsftFeb 13 18:28
DaemonFCand clangFeb 13 18:29
DaemonFCthey keep wanting to use that but the binaries it produces are dog slowFeb 13 18:30
DaemonFCthey end up using gccFeb 13 18:30
gnufreexThey vandalized wikipedia with gcc slurFeb 13 18:30
DaemonFCthey'll use GPL/LGPL licensed software when it's better than BSD licensed softwareFeb 13 18:30
DaemonFCthey don't make an issue about it thoughFeb 13 18:30
gnufreexit is removed now becaus it is utter liesFeb 13 18:30
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gnufreexWith OpenBSD,  they won't use it when it is better, they only use GPL when there is absolutely no choice.Feb 13 18:32
gnufreexWith FreeBSDFeb 13 18:32
DaemonFCclang is also behind GCC on featuresFeb 13 18:32
DaemonFCthe only reason it is around is because it makes them look less dependent on GCC, that's my opinionFeb 13 18:32
gnufreexFreeBSD used to be more level headed, but it gone down the drainFeb 13 18:32
gnufreexOpenBSD actually dug out PCCFeb 13 18:33
gnufreexwhich is utter crapFeb 13 18:33
DaemonFCI compiled a Linux kernel with clang just to play with it at one pointFeb 13 18:33
gnufreexno optimizations at allFeb 13 18:33
DaemonFCit built, but that's the end of anything good I have to say about itFeb 13 18:33
DaemonFCit was slow and some driver modules caused kernel panics when loadedFeb 13 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How Corporations Conduct Smear Campaigns http://ur1.ca/38ear !wikileaks #cablegate #assangeFeb 13 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] How Corporations Conduct Smear Campaigns http://ur1.ca/38ear !wikileaks #cablegate #assangeFeb 13 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @boycottnovell: Miguel de Icaza Helps Show He is an Enemy of GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/38e89 #swpats #mono #gnome #nokia #gnu #linuxFeb 13 18:33
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DaemonFCI think NetBSD are the more reasonable of the BSD projectsFeb 13 18:34
DaemonFCDragonFlyBSD has some neat ideas, and isn't militantFeb 13 18:34
gnufreexYou didn't meet many NetBSD militants thenFeb 13 18:34
DaemonFCfor what it is, it's a good systemFeb 13 18:35
gnufreexThey are FUDing embeded vendors with GPL scareFeb 13 18:35
DaemonFCI wouldn't use it on my PC :)Feb 13 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @gnufreex And in the same day, Google's shares rose 8%. Pretty telling, isn't it ? http://bit.ly/KT4tFeb 13 18:35
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gnufreexLook up NetBSD dev interview on OSNEWSFeb 13 18:35
gnufreexHe openly admited that they were mailing mfrs about "dangers of GPL"Feb 13 18:35
gnufreexAnd pitching NetBSDFeb 13 18:36
gnufreexas "solution"Feb 13 18:36
DaemonFCI didn't see thatFeb 13 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Future of WikiLeaks http://alturl.com/8wwob !wlFeb 13 18:36
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gnufreexI think it is 2004-5Feb 13 18:37
gnufreexThere are actually multiple interviewsFeb 13 18:37
gnufreexfrom multiple devsFeb 13 18:37
gnufreexI'll try to find someFeb 13 18:37
DaemonFCsome of the BSDs are kind of neat, but they all depend on GPL/LGPL software to be usefulFeb 13 18:37
DaemonFCright down to compiling in the first placeFeb 13 18:37
DaemonFCit's comical that they can be that against it and still use itFeb 13 18:38
gnufreexThey are usualy corporate hacksFeb 13 18:38
DaemonFCthe only noteworthy desktop environment software is LGPL/GPL licensed in whole or significant partFeb 13 18:39
DaemonFCthe only decent optimizing compiler they can use is GCCFeb 13 18:39
DaemonFCyou could probably put together a BSD system without any GPL/LGPL components but it wouldn't be something you'd want to use as a desktop systemFeb 13 18:39
gnufreexThey want  to incite other people to contribute under BSD so they could take it. They even admited that on LWN.net on article about De Raddts flame over WiFi driversFeb 13 18:40
DaemonFCyeah, they have to use NDIS drivers built for Windows in order to have wifi in many casesFeb 13 18:41
DaemonFCbecause the drivers are GPL onlyFeb 13 18:41
DaemonFCthe situation used to be similar in LinuxFeb 13 18:41
gnufreexNo, I think this was about Atheros drivers that were ISC licensedFeb 13 18:42
gnufreexDe Raddt didn't like that Linux can use itFeb 13 18:42
DaemonFCI had to grab a Windows driver to use in Mandrake at one pointFeb 13 18:42
DaemonFCif a driver is BSD, nothing stops Linux from using it under the GPLFeb 13 18:43
DaemonFCI think what he'd be mad about is a driver licensed GPL in the beginningFeb 13 18:43
DaemonFCthat's a valid thing to be mad about because if it's BSD licensed in the first place, anyone can use itFeb 13 18:44
gnufreexDe Raddt used oportunity to flame linux devs. He claimed it is illegal to take it without asking. And said they Linux devs are stealing thier FreedomFeb 13 18:44
DaemonFCa hardware enabling driver is one case where I think BSD is preferable Feb 13 18:44
DaemonFCunless a license says you can only redistribute the stuff under that license (or others specified), you can relicense itFeb 13 18:45
DaemonFCit's not the Linux developers fault that BSD leaves the licensing issue wide openFeb 13 18:46
DaemonFCbut the reason it leaves the further licensing optional is why I think drivers should be BSD licensedFeb 13 18:46
DaemonFCanyone can take the code and have same day supportFeb 13 18:46
DaemonFCthe problem with a lot of hardware is the firmware they need to load onto the deviceFeb 13 18:48
DaemonFCOpenBSD's policy is to exclude it even if it can be redistributed Feb 13 18:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 with 10.1" Screen. It will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine. http://ur1.ca/38ee0Feb 13 18:48
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DaemonFCLinux will just toss it in to make the device workFeb 13 18:48
gnufreexLook this http://lwn.net/Articles/229740/Feb 13 18:48
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gnufreexThat was first disputeFeb 13 18:49
gnufreexThey infringed GPL and complained when they were notifiedFeb 13 18:49
DaemonFCso OpenBSD is "free" because of security concerns, and Linux is nonfree and impossible to audit without stripping out a lot of hardware-enabling firmwareFeb 13 18:49
DaemonFCthey're both a problem I thinkFeb 13 18:49
DaemonFCin a perfect world we'd have a free OS where everything magically workedFeb 13 18:50
gnufreexLater, Linux folks took ISC driver and put it into kernel, and OpenBSD folks screamed bloody murder.Feb 13 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Trying to find out about !android upgrades to Honeycombe. Will it be possible for all handsets?Feb 13 18:50
DaemonFCin the one we have, you have to pickFeb 13 18:50
DaemonFCyou'd think there'd be more cooperationFeb 13 18:51
gnufreexAnd they made problem just becaus of publicity. No other explanation. To flame those evil "GPL people"Feb 13 18:51
DaemonFCtheir goals aren't inherently incompatibleFeb 13 18:51
DaemonFCLGPL solves their main complaint, the viral clause isn't thereFeb 13 18:52
DaemonFCthey seem to want all their code to be an all you can eat buffet for Microsoft and Apple and anyone elseFeb 13 18:52
DaemonFCI'd want to be on the salary if they were using my project :)Feb 13 18:53
DaemonFCI don't quite understand their reasoning for being adamant about the BSD licenseFeb 13 18:53
gnufreexThey are religious. They want to fight that freedom thing but they need free labour to survive. So BSD gives them chance to lord over community and not have any obligation while they are not helping freedom to grow. Feb 13 18:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El norte de Guatemala, controlado por Los Zetas http://is.gd/XRc4zN !wlFeb 13 19:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @davidmarsden It's not Twitter or Facebook, it's _different_ from Twitter and Facebook, it's better than Twitter and Facebook. #WhyId ...Feb 13 19:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @agentsmith Yeah, google couldn't help for better gift. Re: Qt, Intel can't buy it because MS wont sell. Fork is only option.Feb 13 19:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Another Senior Vice President Quits Microsoft and Microsoft Sues Departing Executive http://ur1.ca/38eht #microsoft #SrivastavaFeb 13 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Another Senior Vice President Quits Microsoft and Microsoft Sues Departing Executive http://ur1.ca/38eht #microsoft #elop #nokiaFeb 13 19:06
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/64412522Feb 13 19:08
TechrightsBot-tr@Luis A. Morán Morales (lamm)'s status on Sunday, 13-Feb-11 18:41:48 UTC - Identi.ca: Does @schestowitz run on Terminator-grade power cells? The man is nonstop! Thanks for keeping us (super)informed.Feb 13 19:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, apparently the Samsung galaxy 3 (2.1) cannot be upgraded to 2.2 *gutted* http://ur1.ca/38eieFeb 13 19:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] At #BUSC board meeting. My first. Never been on a board before....Feb 13 19:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3 ♻ @helptheplanet Plastic bags: 1 second to be produced, 20 minutes to be used and 300 years to be destroyed.Feb 13 19:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Egypt: Hosni Mubarak used last 18 days in power to secure his fortune http://is.gd/77zji9 !wlFeb 13 19:26
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_Goblinschestowitz: hello mateFeb 13 19:31
_Goblinschestowitz: forgot it was my sisters birthday today...Im now all ready to record if you are.Feb 13 19:31
schestowitzCool!Feb 13 19:32
_Goblinim loading up skypeFeb 13 19:32
schestowitzOK, give me a few minutes.Feb 13 19:33
schestowitzFInishing a post...Feb 13 19:33
_Goblinyep no probsFeb 13 19:33
_Goblinlooks like its just me and you todayFeb 13 19:33
schestowitzAre you on the network?Feb 13 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Marvellous! /sarcasm :( Spotify !linux Preview is not currently available for Free/Open users #lameFeb 13 19:38
DaemonFCFirefox's scripting engine is (slightly) faster than Opera's, but Opera still renders images and parses CSS fasterFeb 13 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] European Court of Justice Can Defend European Software Companies From Patents http://ur1.ca/38ep3 #europe #swpats #euFeb 13 19:40
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DaemonFC(4b11 vs 11.01)Feb 13 19:40
DaemonFCFirefox on Fedora probably has an advantage over stock Firefox since it's using the system jpeg (libjpeg-turbo)Feb 13 19:40
DaemonFCit's getting down to where you have to split hairs to compare rendering engines, which is goodFeb 13 19:41
DaemonFCit means everyone is improvingFeb 13 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Samsung (Galaxy 3) updates: "Robert Parker" Who the f*ck is he?Feb 13 19:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] European Court of Justice Can Defend European Software Companies From Patents http://ur1.ca/38ep3 #patents #italyFeb 13 19:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Reverse Engineering PowerVR Is Now A High Priority: The Free Software Foundation has now determined that reverse... http://bit.ly/fwzHCOFeb 13 19:43
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DaemonFCI'm going to call Firefox 4 beta 11 good enough for day to day useFeb 13 19:43
DaemonFCthe softblockers and hardblockers remaining in Bugzilla are mostly corner casesFeb 13 19:44
DaemonFCof course it's always possible to be the first to trip over something really nasty that everyone else has missedFeb 13 19:44
DaemonFCone thing they've classified as a soft blocker really jumps out at me as who the hell caresFeb 13 19:45
DaemonFC"Significant Zimbra perf regression due to d2d "Feb 13 19:45
DaemonFCewwwFeb 13 19:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is schestowitz with 187 dents!Feb 13 19:47
DaemonFCthere's no free software driver worth using for the majority of Nvidia and ATI chipsets, why are those not high priority?Feb 13 19:58
DaemonFCyou can boot up and maybe use them to run Compiz, that's a far cry from CAD or 3d gamingFeb 13 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: El norte de Guatemala, controlado por Los Zetas http://is.gd/XRc4zN http://bit.ly/e3oPDZFeb 13 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Egypt: Hosni Mubarak used last 18 days in power to secure his fortune http://is.gd/77zji9 http://bit.ly/fkTsqVFeb 13 19:58
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DaemonFCalso, my GPU has no fan control even with the latest Linux kernelFeb 13 19:58
DaemonFCsounds like a jet engine unless I use, nonfree driversFeb 13 19:58
DaemonFCthe documentation I saw for the latest open source ati driver says this model has automatic fan control support, but not from what I've seenFeb 13 19:58
DaemonFCI thought my computer was about to lift off and fly around the roomFeb 13 19:58
DaemonFCgo figure :)Feb 13 19:58
gnufreexPoverVR is simpler. If you want to make Nouveau capale of runing profesional CAD tools, you are looking at effort which is comparable to Stallman wrinting GNU alone. Feb 13 19:59
DaemonFCI'll never be able to tell anyone why the FSF dedicates obscure crap as high priority while important projects never get a nodFeb 13 19:59
gnufreexNvidia has CAD so secret that is crazyFeb 13 19:59
gnufreex3D games might be little easierFeb 13 19:59
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gnufreexBut Quadro like funcionality is nearly imposibleFeb 13 19:59
gnufreexUnless they show all specsFeb 13 19:59
walterbyrdOpen source guru Miguel de Icaza "psyched" about Microsoft/Nokia deal http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/open-source-guru-miguel-de-icaza-psyched-abou?elq=true#comment-277157Feb 13 20:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft, Google and cloud tech news: Open source guru Miguel de Icaza "psyched" about Microsoft/Nokia deal | Network World .::. Size~: 93.82 KBFeb 13 20:00
DaemonFCNvidia and ATI are apples and oranges. It's amazing they've been able to do this much without any help from NvidiaFeb 13 20:00
DaemonFCI had expected ATI drivers to progress faster with official ATI cooperationFeb 13 20:00
DaemonFCthey've documented damned near everything that doesn't have to do with HDCP from my understandingFeb 13 20:01
gnufreexwalterbyrd: Yeah, old news. RMS was right. Miguel De Iscarion is traitor.Feb 13 20:01
walterbyrdMiguel de Icaza is an "open source guru?" I thought foss community hated Miguel?Feb 13 20:01
gnufreexIscariot*Feb 13 20:01
MinceR:>Feb 13 20:01
gnufreexNetwork world is M$ fundedFeb 13 20:01
gnufreexThey have warped pictureFeb 13 20:01
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DaemonFChe started GNOME, why start hating him now? :)Feb 13 20:02
gnufreexBalmer "controls their mental input"Feb 13 20:02
DaemonFCGNOME was built around functional copies of things in WindowsFeb 13 20:02
gnufreexI think I will call him just Iscariot from not onFeb 13 20:02
DaemonFCthe work they've had to do to excise things like gconf and bonobo alone should show what a damned mess GNOME wasFeb 13 20:03
gnufreexGNOMe is not so Windows nowFeb 13 20:03
gnufreexBonobo is goneFeb 13 20:03
DaemonFCyes, for a while now, but it caused a lot of problems while it was thereFeb 13 20:04
DaemonFCincluding a lot of security problems that come from the fact that it was a COM implementation that trusted everythingFeb 13 20:04
DaemonFC:)Feb 13 20:04
gnufreexThat makes senseFeb 13 20:04
gnufreexDe Iscariot wants us to trust MicrosoftFeb 13 20:05
gnufreexYou might as well trust anyone thenFeb 13 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Spotify won't install with Wine. "Error writing temporary file. Make sure your temp folder is valid." ?? :(Feb 13 20:05
DaemonFCI played with GNOME Shell and Unity on my older system that has better ATI open source driver supportFeb 13 20:05
DaemonFCI don't really like either, but Unity sucks lessFeb 13 20:06
DaemonFCnot saying muchFeb 13 20:06
DaemonFCif I had to choose I probably would use the old GNOME 2-ish desktop with CompizFeb 13 20:06
DaemonFCboth GNOME Shell and Unity reek of trying to use netbook optimized interfaces, even on desktop PCsFeb 13 20:07
gnufreexI wonder what that walterbyrd wanted. Just trolled and gone.Feb 13 20:08
DaemonFCthe difference is that a netbook user will only be running one or two tasks while a desktop PC user needs to switch between moreFeb 13 20:08
DaemonFCthis one size fits all desktop built for netbook users is just badFeb 13 20:08
DaemonFCsome people will like it, the rest will probably migrate to KDEFeb 13 20:09
DaemonFCI think in the end, GNOME is worse offFeb 13 20:09
DaemonFCtreating a desktop like a really big netbook is asinineFeb 13 20:10
DaemonFCI don't buy the argument that people are lining up to throw their desktop PC in the trash in place of a single tasking toyFeb 13 20:10
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTA5OQFeb 13 20:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] How Old ATI GPUs Can Be Faster On Open Drivers .::. Size~: 22.5 KBFeb 13 20:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @jimbobbysez: International Criminal Court investigating Harper & MacKay for war crimes: http://ow.ly/3Vwiw #cdnpoli #ICC #tortureFeb 13 20:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @DemocracyCanada: "Likelihood is that all the Afghans handed over were tortured." Richard Colvin 18 Nov 09: http://bit.ly/hdHgrV #cdnpoliFeb 13 20:13
DaemonFCMinceR, You were referring to Intel as making GPUsFeb 13 20:13
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DaemonFCthere's proof they don'tFeb 13 20:13
DaemonFCa 9 year old PCI bus ATI card beats their latest integrated Intel Feb 13 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonQC: RT @Leoslaire: @AnonyOps is like the Borg on Star Trek: "Resistance is futile!" #HBGary got Borged! ROFLMAO!Feb 13 20:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Story on 'Wikileaks' on Discovery channel #121 !wlFeb 13 20:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Farrah3m: VOTE for Egyptian People as 2011 Nobel Peace Prize Winner #egypt #feb11 #jan25 http://bit.ly/hMIBoLFeb 13 20:17
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DaemonFCI am Dyslexic of Borg, fusistence is retile, your ass will be laminatedFeb 13 20:17
DaemonFCB-)Feb 13 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonQC: RT @prysiahell: Police is now interrupting #Anonymous demo against #SindeLaw in the Goya Awards in Madrid #operaciongoyaFeb 13 20:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RT @graziano #GTK+ 3.0 Released: http://www.gtk.org/ !gnu !fsfFeb 13 20:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] how am I supposed to listen to music while replacing a light switch if I have to turn off all of the power in my apartment?Feb 13 20:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] ♺ @MeeGoExperts: Question: were you a Trojan horse? Board of directors reviewed and accepted the proposal #nokmsftFeb 13 20:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] ♺ @schestowitz: Miguel de Icaza Helps Show He is an Enemy of GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/38e89Feb 13 20:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @rms: States are asking for federal bailouts http://ur1.ca/38esqFeb 13 20:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: wikileaks: Egypt: Hosni Mubarak used last 18 days in power to secure his fortune http://is.gd/77zji9 http://bit.ly/fkTsqVFeb 13 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: European Court of Justice Can Defend European Software Companies From Patents http://ur1.ca/38ep3 #europe #swpats #euFeb 13 20:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Cuba welcomes new internet connection and unblocks access to controversial blog https://eff.org/r.2ye https://eff.org/r.y6f #netfreedomFeb 13 20:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @jezra let there be light!Feb 13 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Source Engine On Postal III Is Still Coming To Linux: While it was announced previously by the Running With ... http://bit.ly/fBvxaTFeb 13 20:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Installing !Crunchbang Xfce on my EeePC. Love the post-install script. Never seen that before...Feb 13 20:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Harper, Bush, maybe Obama next. Looks like no North American politician will dare to leave the continent: http://bit.ly/hsmXPS #cdnpoliFeb 13 20:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] I second that RT @Texrat: @quimgil please do blog. Many of us are specifically interested in YOUR opinion and analysis, Quim.Feb 13 20:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Bought Gran Torino last year, finally getting around to watching it. Clint Eastwood did one heck of a job!Feb 13 20:50
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MinceRDaemonFC: and your point is?Feb 13 20:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Story on 'Wikileaks' on Discovery channel #121 http://bit.ly/dSlc9fFeb 13 20:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @tekk not an existing one, but I suggest that for the commandFeb 13 20:57
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DaemonFChttp://i.imgur.com/efUfX.pngFeb 13 20:57
DaemonFClolFeb 13 20:57
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/png typeFeb 13 20:57
MinceR(actually i suspect you're full of shit as usual)Feb 13 20:57
MinceRhm, phoronix looks like it could use some more adsFeb 13 20:57
DaemonFCit's worse now, they host Microsoft fullscreen ads like thatFeb 13 20:58
DaemonFCadvertising Windows ServerFeb 13 20:58
DaemonFCthe guy must make a lot of money spamming Google with 3 years worth of steam is coming to Linux bs, then covering the screen with ads once you get thereFeb 13 20:59
MinceRhe sold out to IDGFeb 13 21:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Will Australia help Julian Assange? http://alturl.com/v94zp !wlFeb 13 21:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] It's nice to see people starting to use, understand and love !KDE 's activities :DFeb 13 21:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] talk about embracing life "romantic love is not suitable for Muslims" apparently http://tighturl.com/2xyzFeb 13 21:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12424996 Maybe worth a listen when it's released #ASCLawFeb 13 21:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Someone's idea of The Perfect Desktop http://ping.fm/0AzpvFeb 13 21:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Two Huge Holes in the Sun Spotted - International Business Times http://ping.fm/vWalWFeb 13 21:32
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_GoblinGood show Roy! ThanksFeb 13 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Man.... I had totally forgotten how much I missed !Crunchbang. This is niiiiiice..... :)Feb 13 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #msnokia: MSQt™ 4.7: [arggggggghhhhhhhh #NIGHTMARE] http://www.msqt.org/Feb 13 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !winehq Create desktop launchers for Wine apps easily with #WLCreator via @omgubuntu http://ping.fm/Yxgo5Feb 13 21:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] MSCE [IMG] http://ur1.ca/38fgdFeb 13 21:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] [Phoronix] Reverse Engineering PowerVR Is Now A High Priority http://ping.fm/Ml0k6Feb 13 21:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] It always amazes me how easy is to share printers between two Linux printers.Feb 13 21:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "OSS guru Miguel de Icaza "psyched" about Microsoft/Nokia deal" -> "OSS guru says Microsoft/Nokia deal shows Miguel de Icaza is a psycho" ;)Feb 13 21:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Just finished recording the !techbytes show episode 31!Feb 13 21:50
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/64419891Feb 13 21:50
TechrightsBot-tr@luq (ghabuntu)'s status on Sunday, 13-Feb-11 20:49:33 UTC - Identi.ca: Have you got any idea what this is? http://ping.fm/soTrW (cc @schestowitz @agente_smithe) #Nokia #QT #MicrosoftFeb 13 21:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: MSQt™ 4.7:  .::. Size~: 11.45 KBFeb 13 21:50
schestowitzwhoaFeb 13 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @ghabuntu: Have you got any idea what this is? http://ping.fm/soTrW (cc @schestowitz @agente_smithe) #Nokia #QT #MicrosoftFeb 13 21:52
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schestowitzI guess it can be pronnounced mascotFeb 13 21:53
schestowitz*pronouncedFeb 13 21:53
schestowitzWow:Feb 13 21:54
schestowitz> FOSSpatents Florian Mueller @   Feb 13 21:54
schestowitz> @jwildeboer I tried my best but it wasn't possible without significantFeb 13 21:54
schestowitz> resouces to try to build a serious anti-swpat alliance. So gave up.Feb 13 21:54
schestowitz> 5 hours ago Favorite Retweet ReplyFeb 13 21:54
schestowitz> FOSSpatents Florian Mueller @   Feb 13 21:54
schestowitz> @jwildeboer It didn't work out. I raised more money for the fightFeb 13 21:54
schestowitz> against swpat than the entire FFII, but it wasn't enough to win this.Feb 13 21:54
schestowitz> Feb 13 21:54
schestowitz> What to make out of that?Feb 13 21:54
schestowitzJust had this mailed to meFeb 13 21:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @schestowitz it'd help to read the bottom of the site.. This is a satire, for the real Qt website go to qt.nokia.com.Feb 13 21:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Sweden's hawkish foreign minister, Carl Bildt, gets into the act http://alturl.com/hdmqr !wlFeb 13 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Florian says today "So gave up" about fight against #swpats - admission of not being against them (said to @jwildeboer )Feb 13 21:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @tekk: @schestowitz it'd help to read the bottom of the site.. This is a satire, for the real Qt website go to qt.nokia.com. cc @ghabuntuFeb 13 21:58
schestowitztessier: ?Feb 13 21:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. Just read @thurrott's thoughts on Nokia+Microsoft. What a load of crap. Windows Phone had lost to Android before it was even announced.Feb 13 22:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh I suppose there could be adecent fight for second place between Apple and Nokia/Microsoft ?Feb 13 22:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Gods damn you fucking New York Rangers!!!! Doing the Flyers' dirty work.... Damn!Feb 13 22:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @silner Hahahahahahaha! When I said lost, I meant LOST! The iPhone was whipping M$'s ass on one carrier, man....Feb 13 22:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh I agree it's unlikely, but if apple just keep on alienating devs it could yet turn aroundFeb 13 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] All the Microsoft bloggers pronouncing the smartphone market a three horse race is quite sad really. In a dying puppy sort of way... LOLFeb 13 22:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just got another !LO theme version from @jezra in the mail. The man is a living legend! And I don't just mean the 'burns... :DFeb 13 22:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Understanding “violent” protest in vancouver - Feb. 2010 anti-Olympic Protest http://bit.ly/gXU8ki #cdnpoliFeb 13 22:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @pmoharper: Not going to be able put the Internet back into the tubes. #UBBFeb 13 22:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rms: Darwin Day http://ur1.ca/38fit - Think of it as Evolution in ActionFeb 13 22:18
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/64423764Feb 13 22:19
TechrightsBot-tr@luq (ghabuntu)'s status on Sunday, 13-Feb-11 22:00:24 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Ah, that makes some sense then...satire...Feb 13 22:19
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TuxDotKing/status/36905706863071232 https://twitter.com/TuxDotKing/status/36905758058754048Feb 13 22:19
TechrightsBot-tr@TuxDotKing: @schestowitz I've never seen one person so tirelessly promote a programming language. Mono doesn't bother me that much, but Icaza is a bitFeb 13 22:19
TechrightsBot-tr@TuxDotKing: @schestowitz overzealous...Feb 13 22:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Jim Skippen to Make the Software Patents Mess Worse in Canada, Elsewhere http://ur1.ca/38fn0 #swpats #canada #wilanFeb 13 22:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Jim Skippen to Make the Software Patents Mess Worse in Canada, Elsewhere http://ur1.ca/38fn0 #patentsFeb 13 22:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] @richslxh there are many awesome games for the android platform: Angry Birds, pocket legends, asphalt 5...Feb 13 22:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] @richslxh It's hard to admit, but I think that android is a better gaming platform than ubuntu at the moment. Whis is sad... :(Feb 13 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @Techmeme: Microsoft to pay out 'billions' as part of Nokia deal (@idgnancy / Computerworld) http://j.mp/f2LAtn http://techme.me/BA0NFeb 13 22:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Better link for that Nokia Microsoft payment story http://is.gd/YLHDY2Feb 13 22:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh @fontana That's not an accent, THÍS ís än åccént! @bkuhn ;) ;PFeb 13 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @tekk Hahahahahaha! :DFeb 13 22:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @RWW: Cuba's Internet Capacity To Increase by 3,000 Percent http://rww.to/fs2muWFeb 13 22:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @lissnup: WOW RT @richardengelnbc: #Egypt.. egyptian police protested.. and won.. police salaries doubled.. as they try to transform MoIFeb 13 22:42
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FaitherhaiFeb 13 22:53
tessierschestowitz: Yes?Feb 13 22:59
schestowitzHey buddyFeb 13 22:59
schestowitzI sent a mail with the explanation:Feb 13 22:59
FaitherhihoFeb 13 22:59
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schestowitzSince this morning we've had some apparent cache problem in TR, The root http://techrights.org/ address is sometimes not accessible, sometimes gives the Varnish "Error 503 Service Unavailable", sometimes blank pages, and sometimes it works fine. What's interesting is that all other pages work just perfectly.Feb 13 22:59
TechrightsBot-tr@: Feb 13 22:59
schestowitzIt started about 14 hours agoFeb 13 22:59
tessierWeird. Ok, I'm looking into it...Feb 13 23:00
schestowitzWe tried some debugging, I spent hours without success trying to figure it outFeb 13 23:00
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I guess I won't be receiving any updates on the Microsoft's symbiotic relationship to Nokia. You heard Elop appointed another Microsoftie as head of US sales?Feb 13 23:00
Faitherwas abut to ask the same question, thanks for clarificationFeb 13 23:00
Faitherg2g, byeFeb 13 23:02
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Ender2070sounds like some american should be filing a complaint with someoneFeb 13 23:02
schestowitzZiomatrix: yeahFeb 13 23:02
ZiomatrixFaither: according to Engadget Intel is back to pimping Meego concepts at the upcoming Mobile World Conference to look for a partnerFeb 13 23:02
Ender2070if microsoft really does have that much influence over nokia due to ElopFeb 13 23:02
Ender2070its probably a monopoly concernFeb 13 23:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Maneuverers of #Microsoft in an Age of Software Patents http://ur1.ca/38fv4 #swpats #cptnFeb 13 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Maneuverers of #Microsoft in an Age of Software Patents http://ur1.ca/38fv4 #patents #novell #androidFeb 13 23:03
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ZiomatrixEnder2070: are you kidding the current US Administration will take this as good news, since "one of our own" ie big lobby contributor is reigning in a foreign company to push their product.Feb 13 23:03
Ender2070except that its a product which competes with IntelFeb 13 23:04
ZiomatrixEnder2070: The government as a meaningful regulatory body in this country has died decades ago, what has been happening since has been one business pawning big gov to go after another.Feb 13 23:04
Ender2070well then i askFeb 13 23:05
Ender2070how can you trust any government to do anything for the peopleFeb 13 23:05
ZiomatrixEnder2070: by appealing to their common sense to do enough to stay in office.Feb 13 23:05
Ender2070LOLFeb 13 23:06
Ender2070and socialism is just a way to keep us happy while they keep doing thisFeb 13 23:07
ZiomatrixEnder2070: if the people love their triple plays and 2 year contracts with low caps, throttled data, sky high ETFs and overage fees in order to buy the latest smartphone they can have it.Feb 13 23:07
Ender2070all governments side with big corps or businesses to screw peopleFeb 13 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed.Feb 13 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @jstone !reading "It Will Be Awesome if They Don’t Screw it Up: 3D Printing, Intellectual Property, [...]" - http://ur1.ca/2bhsjFeb 13 23:08
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ZiomatrixEnder2070: its great that for example HP is being blasted for not supplying OTA updates to Palm based WebOS devices (sans Pre 2) without anyone realizing its the cellular carriers that call the shots in the US when it comes to rolling out updates and the best manufacturers can do is compromise or play along if they want them to continue to buy their products in bulk. So far its only Apple that has gained enough mindshaFeb 13 23:09
Ziomatrixcapital muscle to call the shots over AT&T.Feb 13 23:09
Ender2070what are you going to do about itFeb 13 23:10
ZiomatrixEnder2070: that sometimes peoples' misguided angst gets them to whine in the wrong direction.Feb 13 23:10
Ender2070what are you doing to stop themFeb 13 23:11
ZiomatrixEnder2070: I just pick and choose the best deals on my own terms. I know I don't want to update my contract for a long time if it means they have to implement unnecessary caps or if I know the phone I'm getting is crippled beyond repair. I needed to download a few patches to get the GPS on my Pre Plus to work right since Verizon crippled it for everything but their $9.95 per a month map application. Feb 13 23:13
ZiomatrixEnder2070: I don't think I'll be buying a PS4 since Sony screwed around so much with the PS3Feb 13 23:14
Ender2070take me for exampleFeb 13 23:14
Ender2070i've filed complaints against numerous corporationsFeb 13 23:14
Ender2070i have something to show for my complaintsFeb 13 23:14
Ender2070not much happens in Canada thoughFeb 13 23:15
ZiomatrixEnder2070: how many have been received and addressed?Feb 13 23:15
Ender2070a monopoly here doesnt exist if theres 1 competitorFeb 13 23:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @satipera #Egypt, the protesters have been given an IOU and they are not sure if it will be honoured.Feb 13 23:15
Ziomatrixhttp://engt.co/dIJthj Read a few posts down to the nice parody of the false flag "Burning Platform" email.Feb 13 23:15
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Ender2070even if they are really badFeb 13 23:15
ZiomatrixEnder2070: you mean like Coke and Pepsi? :PFeb 13 23:15
Ender2070similarFeb 13 23:16
ZiomatrixEnder2070: sorry but the sorry situation in the US when it comes to ISPs, phone and other information services is a sorry situation indeed. Feb 13 23:16
Ender2070i filed a complaint against our cell phone providersFeb 13 23:17
Ender2070conspiracy to price fixFeb 13 23:17
Ender2070ttylFeb 13 23:17
ZiomatrixEnder2070: In many cases there is only one high speed internet provider. It doesn't help they can get exclusive agreements with landlordsFeb 13 23:17
ZiomatrixokFeb 13 23:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] after a week of downtime and rebuilding, my blog is back up and online with a new Drupal 7 build http://thistleweb.co.uk/Feb 13 23:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] forgot to mention the Digital Prism Screencast is also back upFeb 13 23:23
Ziomatrixschestowitz: so any good news? besides the above.Feb 13 23:23
schestowitzYeah..Feb 13 23:24
schestowitzCuba for example...Feb 13 23:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Scaremongering Against #Google — Not Technical Advantage — the Strategy of #MPEGLA and #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/38fyuFeb 13 23:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Scaremongering Against #Google — Not Technical Advantage — the Strategy of #MPEGLA and #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/38fyu #swpats #webmFeb 13 23:25
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: what transpired in Cuba, I just heard something in Spanish about a Cuba diplomatic official visiting Colombia and also 2 hostages released from a left wing paramilitary group.Feb 13 23:29
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ZiomatrixMinceR: night?Feb 13 23:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @nisshh Guy releases his own DNA under a !CC license http://ur1.ca/388d7Feb 13 23:40
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: interesting video on Wikileaks, it seems that in response to the latest attack on Wikileaks by efforts to peg them to Anonymous: http://bit.ly/eNJ7SX had lead Jullian to announce the release of some scathing information later this year: http://huff.to/gbRLmL Feb 13 23:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter @russellmcormond Do you meant to say that they lied to @CBCTheHouse 's @JaneTaber1 on #UBB ? The horror :)Feb 13 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter @russellmcormond What's shocking is that a reporter could be so gullible.Feb 13 23:42
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sebsebseb_Goblin: schestowitz MinceR HeyFeb 13 23:42
sebsebsebGood news!Feb 13 23:42
_GoblinHi!Feb 13 23:43
sebsebseb_Goblin: BBC Click :) at them againFeb 13 23:43
sebsebsebin the latest episode they mention PC Linux OS :)Feb 13 23:43
sebsebsebin the episode before they were in Brazil and Linux got mentioned and such :)Feb 13 23:43
_GoblinI'm surprised Click knows even what Linux isFeb 13 23:43
sebsebseb_Goblin: they do mention Linux stuff sometimesFeb 13 23:44
sebsebsebnot that often thoughFeb 13 23:44
sebsebseband when they do it's useually UbuntuFeb 13 23:44
sebsebsebso this is like WOW, PC Linux OS :)Feb 13 23:44
sebsebsebplus that's the distro I am on right now :)Feb 13 23:44
sebsebseb_Goblin: also it seems they nearly explained in the latest episodeFeb 13 23:44
sebsebsebthe termsFeb 13 23:44
sebsebsebhacker and crackerFeb 13 23:44
sebsebseband cracking and hackingFeb 13 23:44
sebsebsebsee for yourself I guessFeb 13 23:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Yemen protests styled after #Egypt protest, I wish these guys luck too http://ur1.ca/38gc4Feb 13 23:45
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_Goblinthey probably only mention Linux for viewers.......bring in a few views by mentioning Linux.  Theres no point talking MS, people don't want to know.Feb 13 23:45
sebsebsebthis was a proper mention thoughFeb 13 23:45
sebsebsebnot just a quick breif mentionFeb 13 23:45
sebsebsebthey did PC Linux OS as the first thing on webscape and the presenter said something first as wellFeb 13 23:45
_GoblinLord Balmer will not be pleased if he hears about it.....Feb 13 23:46
sebsebseb_Goblin: see the episode for yourself I guess,  Iplayer or however your going to see itFeb 13 23:46
sebsebsebanywayFeb 13 23:46
_GoblinI'll give it a look on the PS3 on moneyFeb 13 23:46
_Goblin*mondayFeb 13 23:46
sebsebsebthey were like there's this 3rd OS as well... and I am like LInuxFeb 13 23:47
Faitherin 15 inutes then?Feb 13 23:47
sebsebseb_Goblin: my Dad was in the room as wellFeb 13 23:47
schestowitzposted... Feb 13 23:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The US Fatwa on Assange http://alturl.com/eookk !wlFeb 13 23:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #TechBytes Episode 31: Nokiasoft and Computer Games http://ur1.ca/38ge3 http://ur1.ca/38ge8 #nokiaFeb 13 23:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] !TechBytes Episode 31: Nokiasoft and Computer Games http://ur1.ca/38ge3 http://ur1.ca/38ge8 #nokiaFeb 13 23:47
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schestowitzNeed the notesFeb 13 23:47
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sebsebseb_Goblin: then he started with the negativeness, oh, but business don't use LInuxFeb 13 23:47
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sebsebsebcompanies don't use it blah de blahFeb 13 23:47
sebsebsebthat kind of thing again yeahFeb 13 23:47
sebsebseband I am like, depends on the other programs that are going to be used as wellFeb 13 23:47
FaitherWill start downloadingFeb 13 23:47
_Goblinschestowitz: damn...show notes....too busy watching Pacific box set.Feb 13 23:47
sebsebseb_Goblin: also PC Pro did Ubuntu for a day recentlyFeb 13 23:47
sebsebseband did some stuff about it on their site and thatFeb 13 23:47
_Goblinyeah we talked about that tonightFeb 13 23:47
sebsebsebadn people followed on TwitterFeb 13 23:47
sebsebseband it seems they rely on Exchange to muchFeb 13 23:48
sebsebsebschestowitz: watch the latest episode of Click, I just told _Goblin why it should be watchedFeb 13 23:48
sebsebseb_Goblin: I may have to email BBC Click or something :DFeb 13 23:48
sebsebseb_Goblin: just to say how great it is when they mention LInux :)Feb 13 23:48
Faitherschestowitz: what are you guys using as conference tool?Feb 13 23:48
sebsebsebI have thought about contacting them before, but didn't botherFeb 13 23:48
_GoblinFaither: skypeFeb 13 23:49
sebsebseb_Goblin: last week's episode maybe not on the Iplayer, but on our catch up TV just about, that was good the Brazil stuffFeb 13 23:49
sebsebsebAl GoreFeb 13 23:50
sebsebseband Tim Berners-LeeFeb 13 23:50
sebsebseband something about how a lot of them use Linux, at this tech thing they went toFeb 13 23:50
sebsebseb_Goblin: if they mentioned LInux and open source much more, I would like BBC Click a lot more, but I find it an okFeb 13 23:51
sebsebsebshowFeb 13 23:51
Faitheryou could use teamspeak so you could have some sort of live audiende ^^ and just give voice to the people on the showFeb 13 23:51
sebsebsebsometimes it sucks though or parts of it, depending on what it's aboutFeb 13 23:51
_Goblinthe reason why I hold Click in contempt is that it is only just starting to talk about Linux that we all have been using and enjoying for years....they are out of touch, out of date and the presenters are out of any personality....Feb 13 23:51
sebsebseb_Goblin: and they use Twitter not Identica hmm :DFeb 13 23:51
_Goblinbut worse than that...I pay for the show through the TV licenseFeb 13 23:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The US Fatwa on Assange http://alturl.com/h7mnr !wlFeb 13 23:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] A Microsoft Partner Is Just Someone They Haven’t Gotten Around To Killing Yet - http://bit.ly/hx6ESl #microsoft #nokiaFeb 13 23:52
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sebsebsebI could suggest Identica for something ot mention on Webscape :DFeb 13 23:52
_Goblingive them a couple more years, they will finally realize Identi.ca exists.Feb 13 23:52
sebsebsebI could link them to this log even :DFeb 13 23:52
sebsebsebwhen the log is upFeb 13 23:52
_GoblinI don't even think its the presenters that post on twitterFeb 13 23:52
sebsebsebin fact that could be a good idea in a way, to send a email and also link them to this chat in a log :DFeb 13 23:53
_Goblinits "fast food" tech news...you know the stuff that gives you heartburn and leaves you hungry,,,,Feb 13 23:53
sebsebsebit seems they will mention the Nokia and MIcrosoft deal properly next weekFeb 13 23:53
sebsebsebas part of some mobile phones episodeFeb 13 23:53
_Goblinproperly meaning about 5mins worth....Feb 13 23:54
sebsebsebgot mentioned in this latest one quickly in the news section thoughFeb 13 23:54
_Goblinand they will be singing about how great it is...Feb 13 23:54
_Goblinjust watchFeb 13 23:54
sebsebsebmaybe notFeb 13 23:54
sebsebsebI think they try to be unbiased, butFeb 13 23:54
_GoblinI don't think they are biased....I just think they are ignorant.Feb 13 23:54
sebsebsebthat also means, not much Linux, because they are still biased really to Microsoft and Apple and Twitter and Facebook, if you get what I MeanFeb 13 23:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: “We had to put a stop to the presentation of debutantes at Court. Every tart in London was getting in” - Princess MargaretFeb 13 23:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TanyaHuff: The Courts like to think they were too precious to burn. The rest of the underRealm built in stone. #amwritingFeb 13 23:55
sebsebseb_Goblin: also I am not sure why, but in this latest webscape they mentioned audacityFeb 13 23:55
sebsebsebuh that's been around for quite a while nowFeb 13 23:55
sebsebsebah well at least they were mentioning something open source :)Feb 13 23:55
_Goblinbiased would suggest they have a modicum of knowledge....I don't think they have.Feb 13 23:55
sebsebseb_Goblin: biased  in that context, would mean, wanting to mention propritary stuff mainlyFeb 13 23:56
sebsebsebMicrosoft, Apple, Facebook, and TwitterFeb 13 23:56
_GoblinI think they just vomit press releases given to them.Feb 13 23:56
sebsebsebeither way though great stuff, they mentioend PC Linux OS in the way they did :)Feb 13 23:56
cubezzzpeople don't question thingsFeb 13 23:56
sebsebsebalso they explained kind of how their are different distro'sFeb 13 23:56
_Goblinthats why there is little Linux......to many proprietary firms stuffing PR infront of them.Feb 13 23:56
sebsebsebmade it sound like trying a LIve CD was a bit hard thoughFeb 13 23:56
_Goblin*tooFeb 13 23:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The US Fatwa on Assange http://alturl.com/e738x !wlFeb 13 23:57
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cubezzzthere's lots of Linux actuallyFeb 13 23:57
sebsebseb_Goblin: well see for yourself when you watch it :)Feb 13 23:57
cubezzza ton of LCD TV's are Linux basedFeb 13 23:57
sebsebsebschestowitz I highly recommend you see the latest BBC Click as wellFeb 13 23:57
_Goblinnot the same as talking about desktop LinuxFeb 13 23:57
cubezzzpeople are very resistant to change, yesFeb 13 23:57
cubezzzMother Says use Windows Version 12345678Feb 13 23:58
cubezzzand they doFeb 13 23:58
cubezzzexcepting the crazy Commodore diehards of courseFeb 13 23:59
_Goblinand on that note...Im off to get through another ep of Pacific before I go to bed!Feb 13 23:59
_Goblingn all.....Feb 13 23:59
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