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| DaemonFC | this Games For Windows Live client is a son of a bitch to work around | Feb 20 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | suddenly it's appearing in tons of games that don't even have multiplayer :) | Feb 20 00:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How Berlusconi stopped an anti-GM crops law at the request of US http://is.gd/L0DIWC !wl | Feb 20 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @xfce midori 0.3.2 released: http://archive.xfce.org/feeds/project/midori !Xfce | Feb 20 00:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Così fu bloccata la legge anti Ogm - L'espresso .::. Size~: 40.67 KB | Feb 20 00:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type | Feb 20 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh, look, now you can chat with your XBOX Live friends from your computer! Durrrr, and it only adds another 300 megs to the game!" | Feb 20 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | "It breaks Wine? Fantastic!" | Feb 20 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | "Bugs in the Live client stops your game from loading even on Windows until you track down another 60 MB file to install to patch it with? Super!" | Feb 20 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Clearly the Games For Windows Live is there with the end user experience in mind, you see? | Feb 20 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Feb 20 00:09 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 20 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | Its presence is unnecessary, it adds nothing to the game except a few hundred megs of support files and bugs, and it's there because? | Feb 20 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft said jump and Bethesda asked how high? | Feb 20 00:10 |
| MinceR | maybe m$ holds them hostage or something | Feb 20 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | Oh look, it adds an icon to Games Explorer, which takes exactly as much effort to open as the Applications folder | Feb 20 00:11 |
| MinceR | "adopt our newest crap or we'll accidentally break compatibility in our next update" | Feb 20 00:11 |
| MinceR | or they can still afford to pay bribes | Feb 20 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | but in Games Explorer, it tells you what Windows thinks of your PC on a confusing scale that changes meaning with every Windows release :) | Feb 20 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | nothing at all like "You need a Pentium 4 or higher" | Feb 20 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 00:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How Berlusconi tried to stop Italian magistrates http://is.gd/6mm9L9 !wl | Feb 20 00:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @schestowitz @satipera: Of course, in the #UN (United Nincompoops) some countries are more equal than others. | Feb 20 00:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: "Le leggi ad personam del premier per fermare i suoi processi" - Repubblica.it .::. Size~: 54.04 KB | Feb 20 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | that's just too non-specific, and besides, why make the user stop and think "Why do you only need 1 GB of RAM with XP, but 2 GB is the minimum if you have Windows 7?" | Feb 20 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, This Games For Windows Live bullshit is just adding to the hostility the game publishers have already fostered towards themselves with DRM | Feb 20 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's another reason why the game won't just work out of the box, even if you have all of the requirements :) | Feb 20 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's just a poorly executed attempt by Microsoft to distinguish Windows as a gaming platform now that lots of stuff runs as well or better on three gaming consoles and the Mac | Feb 20 00:15 |
| MinceR | stuff runs on macos? | Feb 20 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | superficially it's easier to say "Your PC has to be a 5.3 on the Windows Experience Index" to play this game | Feb 20 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | but WEI is a terrible gauge of video game performance | Feb 20 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's pegged to the lowest score out of all your hardware | Feb 20 00:16 |
| MinceR | it also doesn't tell you what to upgrade, does it? | Feb 20 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | so if your video card is an 8 and your hard disk is a 5.2, then you can't play the game according to WEI | Feb 20 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | even though it would work fine | Feb 20 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's just more meaningless bullshit that offers little insight into how the software will ultimately end up running | Feb 20 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | but thanks to the copyright law making it illegal to return opened software, you're stuck with it | Feb 20 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | win or lose | Feb 20 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | that had the effect of paralyzing me whenever I went to buy any software | Feb 20 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | knowing that it might not work at all and there was no taking it back :) | Feb 20 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | this WEI is the most misleading thing I've seen Microsoft do in a while, and it's subtle | Feb 20 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | you have PCs that don't meet the WEI score that run the software fine and PCs that far exceed the WEI score where performance is poor or it won't run at all | Feb 20 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | so it's meaningless, the old way of just giving two paragraphs of baseline hardware left me less confused as to whether or not it would work | Feb 20 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | trying to boil down thousands of PC components into a two digit numerical rating system is by far the most fucking stupid thing Microsoft has EVER done to "standardize" the PC | Feb 20 00:23 |
| MinceR | can't you sue if your PC has a high enough WEI and yet the game does not work? | Feb 20 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Feb 20 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | most software EULAs say the company's liability is limited to damage to your computer caused by the software, not to exceed the purchase price of the software | Feb 20 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | or other fun things like all claims have to go to an arbitrator of their choice and you give up your right to sue by running the software | Feb 20 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | and the EULA may specify that it will be executed under the laws of a state you don't even live in | Feb 20 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | So I'm going to drive 3,000 miles across the country to sue Microsoft in Washington state courts for $60? | Feb 20 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | right | Feb 20 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | if anyone actually read any of this shit they're agreeing to, proprietary software probably wouldn't exist because they'd be too afraid to buy it | Feb 20 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | spending hundred of dollars on something that could damned well be full of bugs that never get fixed that may not even work to begin with, where the producer of the software has no liability to speak of is insane | Feb 20 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | governments do it to the tune of millions of dollars every day | Feb 20 00:28 |
| MinceR | nah | Feb 20 00:29 |
| MinceR | people are very good at agreeing to bad deals | Feb 20 00:29 |
| MinceR | even defending it | Feb 20 00:29 |
| MinceR | "nah, they'd never do that!" | Feb 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | so there's Linux distributions out there that are pointless and plenty of free software programs that don't work for me, I'm out 20 cents for a blank CD | Feb 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | boo hoo | Feb 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | go back to using some that do work for me | Feb 20 00:29 |
| MinceR | i've heard people vigorously defend the steam EULA, for example | Feb 20 00:29 |
| MinceR | and m$ EULAs, of course | Feb 20 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | at least if, Debian doesn't work for me, I'm not in it to the tune of $300 | Feb 20 00:30 |
| MinceR | (claiming that the worst parts of the latter are unenforceable) | Feb 20 00:30 |
| MinceR | if debian doesn't work for you, you can fix it | Feb 20 00:30 |
| MinceR | with winblows, you get a black box full of shit | Feb 20 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | I think that the term, let the buyer beware applies with EULAs | Feb 20 00:30 |
| cubezzz | I can't think of anyone who defends the Microsoft EULA unless they are Microsoft employed | Feb 20 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | if you can read through a EULA and stomach it, then it's your right to accept it | Feb 20 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | but it's probably not a great idea | Feb 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | even then it's iffy :) | Feb 20 00:33 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: they're deluded fanboys | Feb 20 00:33 |
| MinceR | believing that they have something to gain from pushing m$ crap | Feb 20 00:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] plasma keyboard container's input context is kinda finicky ;*( | Feb 20 00:33 | |
| DaemonFC | the only time I've seen anything good come out of Microsoft was if they HAD to improve it because of fierce competition | Feb 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | then once the competition is gone, the product disappears or becomes bitrot | Feb 20 00:33 |
| MinceR | i don't think i've ever seen anything good come out of m$ that they actually made | Feb 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm hearing that even with windows 7 their are problems | Feb 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | they're | Feb 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | not that I've even bothered with it | Feb 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | they let IE fester for 10 years and then all of a sudden, it supports all of CSS 2.1, a lot of draft CSS 3 and HTML 5, proper support for SVG, and so on so forth | Feb 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | yeah they want control | Feb 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | they could have done it at any time, but there were no Firefox 4, Chrome 10, and Opera 11 back then | Feb 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | so no need | Feb 20 00:33 |
| MinceR | i've seen some issues with vista7 | Feb 20 00:33 |
| MinceR | and heard of more | Feb 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | one customer tells me they can't turn their computer off :) | Feb 20 00:33 |
| MinceR | afaik ie9 is still ages behind in standards support | Feb 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | should be interesting | Feb 20 00:33 |
| MinceR | despite hype from m$ | Feb 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I've taken a good look at it | Feb 20 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's roughly on par with Firefox 4 for standards support | Feb 20 00:34 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: some of the ones where people cannot turn there computer off is bios makers should be shot. | Feb 20 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | there's been a lot of back and forth bickering, but that's where it's at | Feb 20 00:34 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I just want bios source code... | Feb 20 00:35 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: so you're saying this is a lie? http://people.mozilla.com/~prouget/ie9/ | Feb 20 00:35 |
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| DaemonFC | Firefox 4 supports things IE 9 doesn't and vice versa, they've been nitpicking more than arguing | Feb 20 00:35 |
| cubezzz | award used masm 5 though :-/ | Feb 20 00:35 |
| cubezzz | not sure if they still use it | Feb 20 00:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: i've seen winblows xp silently give up on shutdowns | Feb 20 00:35 |
| MinceR | and even just plain ignoring the command | Feb 20 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Firefox is better security-wise* and has the advantage of speed (provided you forcibly remove Microsoft's tampering) | Feb 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of the Windows build that is | Feb 20 00:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Yes. background service will not die issue. | Feb 20 00:36 |
| cubezzz | if it's "updating" it will wait until it's done | Feb 20 00:36 |
| MinceR | i've also seen it start to "reboot" and give up half-way through shutting down applications | Feb 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | also, Firefox has a shorter design cycle because it's not pegged to any particular OS | Feb 20 00:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I wrote a service for fun once for XP that simply keeps on refusing to die. | Feb 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | so even if they're closely matched now, Firefox will one up them in 6 months | Feb 20 00:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the result is you cannot shut the machine down or reboot it. | Feb 20 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | the next IE will be a year or 2 later | Feb 20 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | IE is a kind of rolling roadblock for web developers | Feb 20 00:37 |
| cubezzz | uh, pulling the plug will shut it down :) | Feb 20 00:37 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: what if the user kills it from a task manager? | Feb 20 00:37 |
| MinceR | or winblows fails at that too? | Feb 20 00:37 |
| cubezzz | unless it's the M5 of course | Feb 20 00:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I was nasty. I had it also delist from the userspace task list. | Feb 20 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | and Microsoft can do standards compliant mode without any risk of sites actually fixing their broken markup | Feb 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: So only the NT kernel knew it was there. Nothing from userspace could see that it was running. | Feb 20 00:38 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, you writing malware? ;0 | Feb 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | look how many sites invoke IE 7 mode already | Feb 20 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | or are in the compatibility list for IE 6 mode | Feb 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Secuirty demostrations. Of why particular things were going wrong. | Feb 20 00:38 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: NT duel table system is really really bad. | Feb 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Then you have iWeb I think it was, Crapple's WYSIWYG editor, that invokes IE 7 mode in IE 8 even though IE 8 supports anything that iWeb can generate | Feb 20 00:39 |
| MinceR | i've seen an iWeb site | Feb 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | even in cases where it breaks in IE 7 mode | Feb 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | that's comical | Feb 20 00:39 |
| MinceR | it was one of the most retarded sites i've ever seen | Feb 20 00:39 |
| cubezzz | most sites seem icecat/firefox friendly nowadays | Feb 20 00:39 |
| MinceR | using all sorts of bloat just to produce a butt-ugly gallery | Feb 20 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | Konqueror with the webkit kpart is what I'm using most lately | Feb 20 00:40 |
| cubezzz | sites with rotating gifs and lots of flash are annoying :) | Feb 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | I have Firefox 4 nightlies though | Feb 20 00:40 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: And the main reason for the duel table system was in the first place so users could not see what the kernel was doing. | Feb 20 00:40 |
| MinceR | i'm mostly using firefox | Feb 20 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | I don't typically fire up Firefox unless something breaks badly in a better browser | Feb 20 00:40 |
| cubezzz | pfft, I compile my own (because with FC1 you have to ) | Feb 20 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox supports a lot more broken IE crap that some sites like to put up | Feb 20 00:41 |
| cubezzz | icecat that is | Feb 20 00:41 |
| cubezzz | web masters are lazy though | Feb 20 00:42 |
| MinceR | on my debian lenny vm, i just installed the official firefox under /opt | Feb 20 00:42 |
| cubezzz | many many sites aren't lynx friendly, or text browser friendly | Feb 20 00:42 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: and that suxs balls for the blind. | Feb 20 00:42 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I don't think you ever really know what's going on with windows | Feb 20 00:42 |
| cubezzz | all that closed source... | Feb 20 00:42 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Depends if you are sitting down with people who are disasmbling it. | Feb 20 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not saying Firefox 4 is bad, I'm just saying there's other options that integrate better with *nix in general and KDE/GNOME/etc in specific | Feb 20 00:43 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Mostly to work out how a rootkit or the like managed to hide. | Feb 20 00:43 |
| cubezzz | not to mention flash url obfuscation... | Feb 20 00:43 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Yes it far simpler to hide in windows than OS X or Linux | Feb 20 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what platform you run Firefox on, it's basically running in an abstraction layer | Feb 20 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | with some additional support for native OS features | Feb 20 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | mostly Windows | Feb 20 00:44 |
| MinceR | yet it still works pretty well | Feb 20 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing that surprises me about Firefox is that it's not any more bloated than it is | Feb 20 00:44 |
| MinceR | unlike chromium which likes to cause kernel panics, for example | Feb 20 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Some of the additional support for windows only. Releate to Linux 3d drivers suxing. | Feb 20 00:45 |
| MinceR | probably because their sandbox (which is setuid root) sucks ass | Feb 20 00:45 |
| cubezzz | I haven't seen any panics in a while | Feb 20 00:45 |
| cubezzz | but I don't really use chromium | Feb 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, When they fix Chatzilla in Seamonkey we might talk about me using Mozilla stuff primarily | Feb 20 00:45 |
| MinceR | it kept causing them on exit | Feb 20 00:45 |
| MinceR | so i stopped using it | Feb 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | Seamonkey in general just feels a lot faster than Firefox | Feb 20 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, To be honest, I'm kind of surprised that the Firefox PPAs for Ubuntu spit stuff out that disables all the system libraries that it could be using | Feb 20 00:47 |
| cubezzz | I just use good ol' xchat | Feb 20 00:47 |
| MinceR | firefox has more and more extensions i'd hardly do without :> | Feb 20 00:47 |
| MinceR | for irc, there's irssi :> | Feb 20 00:47 |
| cubezzz | or naim or a million others :) | Feb 20 00:47 |
| MinceR | (unrelated to firefox, of course) | Feb 20 00:47 |
| nisshh | MinceR, i only use 3 FF extensions | Feb 20 00:48 |
| cubezzz | the right tool for the job, no bloated swiss army knives with a hundred blades please | Feb 20 00:48 |
| nisshh | adblock plus, fastestfox and Ubuntu Firefox mods | Feb 20 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | then there's the fact that Firefox uses GTK+ stuff like file selectors | Feb 20 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | so you single click on things out of muscle memory and all you've done is highlight something | Feb 20 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | Opera can figure out what desktop it's running in and pick the right file selection dialog | Feb 20 00:50 |
| MinceR | i use AdBlock Plus, Clear Text Fields, CookieSafe, DownloadHelper, Ghostery, Live HTTP headers, NoScript, RefControl, Save Complete, Taboo, Web Developer, xclear and FoxyProxy | Feb 20 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | why can't Firefox? | Feb 20 00:50 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: o | Feb 20 00:51 |
| MinceR | i'm used to a diversity of file selectors :> | Feb 20 00:51 |
| MinceR | i even sometimes use java apps with swing file selector dialogs with the metal theme :> | Feb 20 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | I just found that a neat feature in Opera | Feb 20 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | how it detects what you use and mimics the surrounding environment | Feb 20 00:52 |
| MinceR | i prefer letting me decide | Feb 20 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | technically, Opera is better than Firefox on Linux for many users | Feb 20 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | their software renderer is faster than the software renderer in Firefox | Feb 20 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | which is what most Linux users get stuck with even in 4.0 | Feb 20 00:53 |
| MinceR | i've heard of libreoffice royally screwing up the DE autodetection/integration job :> | Feb 20 00:53 |
| cubezzz | no source code... | Feb 20 00:53 |
| cubezzz | and yes, I compiled my own icecat | Feb 20 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox was damaged goods from the beginning | Feb 20 00:53 |
| MinceR | i did compile my own firefox once | Feb 20 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | it was basically designed by AOL | Feb 20 00:53 |
| MinceR | took some extra work to make it use official firefox branding though | Feb 20 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | they've spent years trying to fix bad design that Netscape employees are responsible for | Feb 20 00:54 |
| MinceR | http://majic.rs/blog/gentoo-libreoffice-and-qt4 | Feb 20 00:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gentoo, LibreOffice, and Qt4 | majic.rs .::. Size~: 18.39 KB | Feb 20 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'm using KOffice 2.3.1 | Feb 20 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | even on my Windows system | Feb 20 00:54 |
| MinceR | firefox might have had a bad start but it can do stuff no other browser can :> | Feb 20 00:55 |
| cubezzz | I think 1999 and before it was netscape on Linux but... | Feb 20 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like OOo, LibreOffice is a little better | Feb 20 00:55 |
| cubezzz | mostly I used lynx in those days | Feb 20 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | LibreOffice got all those performance patches from Go-OO and it still feels like I'm dragging a dead elephant just to start Writer | Feb 20 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | even on a quad core with 8 gigs of RAM | Feb 20 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | no excuse for this | Feb 20 00:56 |
| MinceR | i mostly use GNOME Office instead | Feb 20 00:56 |
| MinceR | (and LaTeX, of course) | Feb 20 00:56 |
| cubezzz | bah | Feb 20 00:56 |
| cubezzz | I use none of that | Feb 20 00:56 |
| cubezzz | perl scripts and text files for me :) | Feb 20 00:56 |
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| cubezzz | and awk | Feb 20 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | KOffice has excellent OOXML import filter, which I require, I don't care if it exports them or not | Feb 20 00:56 |
| cubezzz | well actually I do use Latex sometimes | Feb 20 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | I save to ODF or PDF or HTML or something | Feb 20 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | LibreOffice destroys any OOXML documents I import | Feb 20 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | not destroys really, just everything is a little wrong | Feb 20 00:57 |
| DaemonFC | and I have to go through and fix stuff up before I save it as ODF/PDF/HTML | Feb 20 00:57 |
| MinceR | i've seen the same version of excel on the same version of windows using the same font still fuck up formatting once it was opened on another PC | Feb 20 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | I send documents back to MS Office users as PDF usually so they don't try to edit it and mess up the formatting all over again | Feb 20 00:58 |
| cubezzz | looking back at all my old work, it's the ascii files that survived | Feb 20 00:58 |
| MinceR | i don't expect m$o crap to be portable to any extent | Feb 20 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's not | Feb 20 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | any portability they talk about means it might open in MS Office on Mac too | Feb 20 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 00:59 |
| MinceR | (cells had to be resized to show all the text) | Feb 20 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | they don't even support the same OOXML in Office Mac as Office Windows | Feb 20 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | you really think Novell is going to hack in any decent support into OOo? | Feb 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | I don't either? | Feb 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 01:00 |
| MinceR | or the same OOXML as the one they've handed the specs of to Ecma | Feb 20 01:00 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 20 01:00 |
| cubezzz | does Novell even exist now? | Feb 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | they're still funding Miguel to FUD Android and praise Vista Phone 7 that his precious Mono isn't allowed on | Feb 20 01:00 |
| DaemonFC | so they must | Feb 20 01:01 |
| MinceR | maybe attackmate still didn't finish the acquisition | Feb 20 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | the attachmate part went through | Feb 20 01:01 |
| cubezzz | I'm just glad I have source code | Feb 20 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | the patent sale to CPTN hasn't | Feb 20 01:01 |
| cubezzz | Stallman really did the right thing | Feb 20 01:02 |
| cubezzz | companies will die but Linux moves on | Feb 20 01:02 |
| MinceR | and so does GNU | Feb 20 01:03 |
| cubezzz | yes | Feb 20 01:03 |
| *enthymeme solidarity fist | Feb 20 01:03 | |
| *MinceR waves to enthymeme | Feb 20 01:05 | |
| enthymeme | ^__^ | Feb 20 01:05 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] looks like I'm home again by myself tonight. sigh. | Feb 20 01:09 | |
| MinceR | oh, another feature of firefox i get some use out of is support for multiple profiles | Feb 20 01:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @encyclomundi RT @PDXrox If we cut Planned Parenthood the $$ saved could sustain the war for 3 hrs 51 mins. $75 mil for 800 clinics a ... | Feb 20 01:16 | |
| MinceR | gn | Feb 20 01:24 |
| enthymeme | g'night | Feb 20 01:39 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: So you have seen the MS Office fail to open a document from OS X MS Office on windows. | Feb 20 01:39 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: IE OS X directories in the document. | Feb 20 01:39 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: MS Office windows don't particularly like it. | Feb 20 01:40 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RT @encyclomundi RT @PDXrox If we cut Planned Parenthood the $$ saved could sustain the war for 3 hrs 51 mins. $75 mil for 800 clinics a ... | Feb 20 02:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm compiling Firefox 4.0 beta 11 | Feb 20 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | against libjpeg-turbo :) | Feb 20 02:16 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: How Berlusconi stopped an anti-GM crops law at the request of US http://is.gd/L0DIWC http://bit.ly/hM0vKO | Feb 20 02:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: How Berlusconi tried to stop Italian magistrates http://is.gd/6mm9L9 http://bit.ly/e1ZKcz | Feb 20 02:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @charlesschulz To this day #LibreOffice has 133 developers and 55 localizers. We gain 1 developer every day & 1 localizer every 2days [..] | Feb 20 06:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "[S]ales of the Verizon iPhone 4 have not lived up to the expectations." http://ur1.ca/3alsi #Linux is stealing their thunder | Feb 20 06:17 | |
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| schestowitz | Groklaw: "WebOS, although proprietary, runs on Linux." | Feb 20 06:22 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, proprietary indeed. | Feb 20 06:22 |
| cubezzz | it's too slow anyway | Feb 20 06:22 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: you're in Groklaw's news picks today | Feb 20 06:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Nokia CEO Stephen Elop [...] purchased 150,000 shares of Nokia, according to Reuters." >> AFTER it has sunk like a rock http://ur1.ca/3alu6 | Feb 20 06:24 | |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: did you try it? | Feb 20 06:24 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Eh? | Feb 20 06:24 |
| cubezzz | no, but logic tells me it _must_ be slow | Feb 20 06:25 |
| cubezzz | can't think of any benefit either | Feb 20 06:25 |
| cubezzz | I think Palm Pre had it | Feb 20 06:26 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I really made it into newspicks. | Feb 20 06:27 |
| gnufreex | :-) | Feb 20 06:27 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know Chris Olstrom started a blog... | Feb 20 06:28 |
| oiaohm | Now Elop will be hoping NOK at bottom. | Feb 20 06:30 |
| oiaohm | So nice quick profit if it comes up. | Feb 20 06:30 |
| oiaohm | Hmm announce in a few weeks that Windows Phone 7 suxs and the they are returning to meego? | Feb 20 06:31 |
| oiaohm | Wonder if this will turn out to be one of the most open insider trading stunts ever. | Feb 20 06:31 |
| gnufreex | Who is Chris Olstrom? He was defending Microsoft all over the internet. Pluged comment on my post | Feb 20 06:32 |
| oiaohm | Could I see post. | Feb 20 06:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] ♺ @schestowitz: ♺ @charlesschulz Today #LibreOffice has 133 developers and 55 localizers. We gain 1 developer/day & 1 localizer every 2days | Feb 20 06:32 | |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Lot of the MS supports are the same people using fake name. | Feb 20 06:33 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: http://gnufreex.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/wp7-walled-garden-and-mono-movement/#comments | Feb 20 06:33 |
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| gnufreex | I later found out that he copypasted same microsfot apologism on Slashdot, Jan's blog, OSnews and right about everywhere. | Feb 20 06:33 |
| gnufreex | I can understand if he thinks Microsoft is not at fault (althoug I dissagree), but pasting it everywhere stinks of apologism. | Feb 20 06:34 |
| oiaohm | I guess different name on OS News | Feb 20 06:34 |
| oiaohm | Or his hey sticking constant. | Feb 20 06:34 |
| oiaohm | he is also a unresearched idiot. | Feb 20 06:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @jospoortvliet http://engt.co/glpJiY run !android apps easily on #symbian !MeeGo !linux #windows #apple any platform supported by !qt | Feb 20 06:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @aseigo great blog on the Qt situation from within: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/02/18/buckets-of-cold-water/ | Feb 20 06:36 | |
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| oiaohm | Not up to the normal MS paid guys level. | Feb 20 06:36 |
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| gnufreex | I have no idea who he is. I just saw he commented, and latter I saw he parroted that all over the place. | Feb 20 06:36 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/64922771 | Feb 20 06:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rwdubsreviews's status on Sunday, 20-Feb-11 06:19:28 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz maybe or people are smart enough to wait for June and iPhone 5 | Feb 20 06:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: Novell Shareholders Approve Attachmate Deal - http://bit.ly/gJC2Iu #novell #business | Feb 20 06:37 | |
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| gnufreex | oiaohm http://www.osnews.com/thread?462991 | Feb 20 06:39 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3: RT @Tripolitanian: Source on the ground: #Tripoli protesters shot at by helicopters. #Libya #Feb17 | Feb 20 06:41 | |
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| zer0c00l` | Check it out | Feb 20 06:54 |
| zer0c00l` | schestowitz: ^^ | Feb 20 06:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @rms #Torture Continues http://ur1.ca/3alre [in Iraq] // and have we seen any sign it's ended in USA? | Feb 20 06:56 | |
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| cubezzz | looks like a bunch of drivel | Feb 20 06:56 |
| cubezzz | what are they even talking about | Feb 20 06:56 |
| cubezzz | so much for hacker news | Feb 20 06:57 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, retrocomputing... | Feb 20 06:58 |
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| gnufreex | that tzs guy is mono booster | Feb 20 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | first Opera 11.10 snapshot is out | Feb 20 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | lots of fixes for not only the core, but to address bug reports for *nix builds | Feb 20 07:03 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: I forgot something in the post to your blog. WP7 has side loading that does not require to be signed. So MS has no legal requirement to hand over key to online store. | Feb 20 07:04 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: but just the software to side load. And that is hacked and out in the open anyhow. | Feb 20 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | Profile Guided Optimization is back on for the *nix builds, so there's a nice speed up | Feb 20 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | they turned it off for 11.01 due to crashes in 11 | Feb 20 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | spell check is working again for single line text input fields :) | Feb 20 07:05 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: I think you shouldn't have said idiot | Feb 20 07:06 |
| gnufreex | I jus now say | Feb 20 07:06 |
| gnufreex | *w | Feb 20 07:06 |
| oiaohm | In this case. I am not kind. gnufreex | Feb 20 07:07 |
| gnufreex | Unless you know him from before | Feb 20 07:07 |
| oiaohm | For the simple fact his claim is false. | Feb 20 07:07 |
| oiaohm | MS store keys are not at risk at all. | Feb 20 07:07 |
| oiaohm | Linux distributions would not ship GPLv3 if it put there repo keys at risk gnufreex | Feb 20 07:08 |
| gnufreex | I know, but trolls will creep up and start a flamewar saying we insult people and such | Feb 20 07:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @opensourceway Twenty questions I ask myself every day | http://bit.ly/gMWxge or http://bit.ly/g7a1ye #innovation #hackmanagement | Feb 20 07:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] http://ur1.ca/3am2w On how to subvert subversionm | Feb 20 07:09 | |
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| oiaohm | gnufreex: There is a problem here. Was he wrong yes. Claiming something false is being a idiot. So was not a insult as such. Trolls will call you a idiot when they have no documentation backing them up. | Feb 20 07:10 |
| gnufreex | Ok, fair enough | Feb 20 07:11 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: also trolls will come back and attempt to start a flamewar over being called a idiot in the correct context. | Feb 20 07:11 |
| oiaohm | If he does we know what he is. | Feb 20 07:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes I am more likely to call someone a idiot in first contact. gnufreex | Feb 20 07:12 |
| oiaohm | To sus out what they are. | Feb 20 07:12 |
| gnufreex | I though you knew him before | Feb 20 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Writing style matchs a troll I know. | Feb 20 07:13 |
| oiaohm | If it him he will bite and bite big. gnufreex | Feb 20 07:13 |
| oiaohm | Ie ask you to delete my entry. gnufreex | Feb 20 07:14 |
| oiaohm | Should know in 48 hours he also likely to try direct emailing you gnufreex | Feb 20 07:14 |
| *amarsh04 is still git-bisecting a kernel issue affecting MIDI playback | Feb 20 07:14 | |
| gnufreex | I didn't leave mail adress in blog. | Feb 20 07:15 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Note I said try. | Feb 20 07:15 |
| gnufreex | Anyway, I responded yesterday to him but he is not comming back. I don't think he's a troll, just ignorant. | Feb 20 07:16 |
| oiaohm | Problem is his class of idiot is bad for GPLv3 | Feb 20 07:16 |
| oiaohm | Since people get the idea that GPLv3 covers more than it does. | Feb 20 07:17 |
| gnufreex | Yeah | Feb 20 07:17 |
| gnufreex | That's true | Feb 20 07:17 |
| gnufreex | He spreads missinformation | Feb 20 07:17 |
| oiaohm | GPLv3 is fairly sane. | Feb 20 07:17 |
| gnufreex | And he left that on few places on web | Feb 20 07:17 |
| gnufreex | He probably won't respond anywhere | Feb 20 07:17 |
| gnufreex | just a drive by | Feb 20 07:18 |
| oiaohm | As long as you can install modifed versions GPLv3 places no requirements. | Feb 20 07:18 |
| oiaohm | Some of the embeded developers don't like GPLv3 of course. | Feb 20 07:18 |
| oiaohm | GPLv2 is rom compadible. | Feb 20 07:18 |
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| oiaohm | GPLv3 is not rom compadible. | Feb 20 07:19 |
| gnufreex | GPLv3 is also ROM compatible, if you can flash it | Feb 20 07:19 |
| oiaohm | I mean real rom | Feb 20 07:19 |
| oiaohm | The non flashable kind. | Feb 20 07:19 |
| gnufreex | Ah... but that is not used anymore | Feb 20 07:19 |
| oiaohm | It is | Feb 20 07:19 |
| gnufreex | where? | Feb 20 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, looks like Opera has libjpeg-turbo now | Feb 20 07:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Feb 20 07:20 |
| oiaohm | For bootloaders in some devices. gnufreex | Feb 20 07:20 |
| oiaohm | So the device stays recoverable and someone cannot nuke the bootloader. gnufreex | Feb 20 07:20 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Note that GPLv3 anti DRM is only for user products. | Feb 20 07:20 |
| gnufreex | Not for voting machines | Feb 20 07:20 |
| gnufreex | or pacemakers | Feb 20 07:20 |
| gnufreex | "User Product" is defined in GPL | Feb 20 07:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Who the bloody hell cares about !Debian? by @zack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5WvY1CiRfU #FOSDEM | Feb 20 07:21 | |
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| oiaohm | User Product covers a few zones embeded developers wish it did not. | Feb 20 07:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie where they use rom chips. gnufreex | Feb 20 07:21 |
| gnufreex | Well, some people only want to take code and never give back | Feb 20 07:21 |
| oiaohm | And cannot ever meet the requirements of GPLv3 of allowing person to alter it. | Feb 20 07:21 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the embed developers would have been happy if the was an exception that if the binary was on a true rom chip | Feb 20 07:22 |
| oiaohm | They had to hand over the code but that was it. | Feb 20 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Yes Its a minor wording issue in GPLv3 that lead to embed being asked todo the impossible. | Feb 20 07:23 |
| gnufreex | That would increase usage of ROM chips | Feb 20 07:23 |
| oiaohm | Remember Rom chips have a downside as well. | Feb 20 07:23 |
| oiaohm | Of if you have screwed up a batch they are all bricked. | Feb 20 07:23 |
| oiaohm | So rom chip usage will always remain limited by sanity of costs. | Feb 20 07:24 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, and security issues are immposible to fix | Feb 20 07:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Looks like China will be protesting soon, too. http://ur1.ca/3am5w | Feb 20 07:24 | |
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| cubezzz | uh, can't you reprogram with an external flash programmer? | Feb 20 07:24 |
| cubezzz | rom as in not-writable at all? | Feb 20 07:25 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Not in cpu dia rom chips | Feb 20 07:25 |
| cubezzz | ah | Feb 20 07:25 |
| oiaohm | And yes it 100 percent not writable item. | Feb 20 07:25 |
| cubezzz | even dvd drives on computers have flash chips | Feb 20 07:25 |
| oiaohm | To be correct the word are mask-programmed ROM | Feb 20 07:26 |
| cubezzz | but they are all different, rather a pain | Feb 20 07:26 |
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| oiaohm | Ie on and off states directly made into the silcon. | Feb 20 07:26 |
| cubezzz | surface mounted I assume? | Feb 20 07:26 |
| cubezzz | not socketed? | Feb 20 07:26 |
| oiaohm | Can be socketed | Feb 20 07:27 |
| oiaohm | But masked coded is writen once only cubezzz | Feb 20 07:27 |
| oiaohm | When the chip was made. cubezzz | Feb 20 07:27 |
| cubezzz | sounds like somethign to avoid | Feb 20 07:27 |
| cubezzz | something | Feb 20 07:27 |
| oiaohm | Yes and no. | Feb 20 07:27 |
| oiaohm | You avoid it where you can. | Feb 20 07:27 |
| oiaohm | but its good for allowing devices to recover from bad flash writes. | Feb 20 07:28 |
| oiaohm | Or allowing flash writes when flash has been scrambled by outside interfance. | Feb 20 07:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie masked rom is way more tollerent. | Feb 20 07:28 |
| cubezzz | you could use an external programmer, or even another motherboard or dvd drive :) | Feb 20 07:29 |
| oiaohm | Note masked rom is writen in silcon construction. | Feb 20 07:29 |
| oiaohm | No extenal programmer. cubezzz | Feb 20 07:29 |
| oiaohm | Default microcode inside a intel x86 chip is stored in masked rom. | Feb 20 07:30 |
| cubezzz | hmm, I thought the idea behind microcode was fixing bugs | Feb 20 07:31 |
| oiaohm | Note default. | Feb 20 07:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @rrix had not heard of it yet... but I was expecting something like this to happen. | Feb 20 07:31 | |
| oiaohm | Later copy can be loaded into ram so working around bugs in chip. cubezzz | Feb 20 07:31 |
| cubezzz | ah | Feb 20 07:31 |
| oiaohm | Basically all the stuff so you can fire up and self repair without needing external programmers. | Feb 20 07:32 |
| oiaohm | Is good to be in masked rom. cubezzz | Feb 20 07:32 |
| oiaohm | Where it cannot be screwed up. | Feb 20 07:32 |
| oiaohm | Even if design allows for that to be overridden by a newer copy. | Feb 20 07:32 |
| cubezzz | I don't think I ever got down to that level | Feb 20 07:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie some devices hold the reset button until they power up with reset button depressed. | Feb 20 07:33 |
| cubezzz | I've compiled my own bios though | Feb 20 07:33 |
| oiaohm | Takes you threw a full masked rom boot. | Feb 20 07:33 |
| oiaohm | So any firmware flashs and the like can be fixed. | Feb 20 07:33 |
| oiaohm | Without having to disasmble the device. | Feb 20 07:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @gbraad THE AP SAID SO THUS IT IS SO | Feb 20 07:34 | |
| cubezzz | don't think old stuff used microcode | Feb 20 07:34 |
| oiaohm | Masked roms have advantages on junk reduction to embeded device makers. | Feb 20 07:34 |
| cubezzz | I've never heard the term masked rom before | Feb 20 07:36 |
| amarsh04 | oiaohm... narrowing down this git bisect to stuff to do with memory compaction in the linux kernel | Feb 20 07:36 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: what issue are you suffering from? | Feb 20 07:36 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: So you have never had a silcon chip made. | Feb 20 07:37 |
| amarsh04 | MIDI playback slows down when kswapd0 kicks in | Feb 20 07:37 |
| cubezzz | ah, mask rom | Feb 20 07:37 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I think mask rom may be the common term | Feb 20 07:37 |
| cubezzz | no, I've never had a silicon chip made :) | Feb 20 07:38 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: mask rom is one of the common terms. | Feb 20 07:38 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: the proper term is mask-programmed ROM | Feb 20 07:38 |
| cubezzz | ah I see | Feb 20 07:38 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: but mask-programmed ROM is one hell of a thing to type. So it ends up shorted to either mask rom or masked rom | Feb 20 07:38 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Also it would be unlikely for a modern day system to contain more than 32 kb of mask rom. | Feb 20 07:40 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Not counting microcodes of course | Feb 20 07:40 |
| cubezzz | I don't really like stand-alone dvd players and the like | Feb 20 07:41 |
| cubezzz | so I built an oldish computer as a player... so one can avoid blackbox syndrome | Feb 20 07:41 |
| cubezzz | in fact the dvd itself is kind of obsolete | Feb 20 07:42 |
| cubezzz | not sure when eeprom's came into vogue | Feb 20 07:43 |
| oiaohm | When they worked out how. cubezzz | Feb 20 07:43 |
| oiaohm | I rememeber the early ones eproms uv required to clear. | Feb 20 07:44 |
| cubezzz | uv-eprom yes | Feb 20 07:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RD @rfamovie “RADIO FREE CAIRO” http://ur1.ca/3ama5 David Gill "Total Dick-Head on political relevance of PKD <<i so want to see this movie! | Feb 20 07:44 | |
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| oiaohm | Problem was place in the wrong place near the wrong light souce and the sticker comes off. | Feb 20 07:44 |
| oiaohm | And they would fail in place. | Feb 20 07:44 |
| oiaohm | That was costly | Feb 20 07:44 |
| oiaohm | There was bubble memory before the silcon age. cubezzz | Feb 20 07:46 |
| cubezzz | yes, I'm old enough to remember :) | Feb 20 07:46 |
| cubezzz | it's been eeproms for quite a while though | Feb 20 07:48 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_memory | Feb 20 07:48 |
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| cubezzz | I'm trying to recall when eeproms first appeared on the scence | Feb 20 07:48 |
| oiaohm | Bubble memory was in used right up until eeproms appeared. | Feb 20 07:48 |
| oiaohm | eeproms are cheeper to make. | Feb 20 07:48 |
| oiaohm | Have higher desnity | Feb 20 07:49 |
| oiaohm | but still have support for less write cycles than old Bubble memory. | Feb 20 07:49 |
| oiaohm | No one has found a write cycle limit for bubble memory. | Feb 20 07:49 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, seems like we've had eeprom since the late 1970's | Feb 20 07:49 |
| cubezzz | longer than I thought | Feb 20 07:49 |
| cubezzz | or uv-eproms at least | Feb 20 07:50 |
| oiaohm | Bios's stayed with eproms and proms | Feb 20 07:50 |
| oiaohm | For a sanity reason. | Feb 20 07:50 |
| oiaohm | So devices could not be bricked. | Feb 20 07:50 |
| oiaohm | Early eeproms were not that dependable. | Feb 20 07:50 |
| cubezzz | Intel 2816 seems like was first | Feb 20 07:50 |
| cubezzz | around 1983 | Feb 20 07:50 |
| oiaohm | Most Intel 2816 were dead by 1988 | Feb 20 07:51 |
| oiaohm | complete dead. | Feb 20 07:51 |
| cubezzz | I can't even remember using that | Feb 20 07:51 |
| amarsh04 | my oldest 386 motherboard had bios in eprom - I bought a new bios to support 3.5" 1.44M floppy drives | Feb 20 07:51 |
| cubezzz | 6502 era didn't have them | Feb 20 07:51 |
| oiaohm | First eeproms has a max life of about 5 years. cubezzz | Feb 20 07:52 |
| cubezzz | ah, but what about the very first IBM PC? :) | Feb 20 07:52 |
| oiaohm | IBM PC used solid mask rom first batchs. | Feb 20 07:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] "Johnny makes love to a dummy, says, "Ain't it good to be alive?"" | Feb 20 07:52 | |
| cubezzz | ah, just a rom then | Feb 20 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Since they were producing in units that match what come of IBM silcon production lines. | Feb 20 07:53 |
| oiaohm | And IBM though the PC was going to be a toy | Feb 20 07:53 |
| cubezzz | so no point in giving out bios source code back then | Feb 20 07:53 |
| oiaohm | and would never need upgrade. | Feb 20 07:53 |
| oiaohm | How wrong they were. | Feb 20 07:53 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, rare is the computer that lasts more than 10 years in production | Feb 20 07:53 |
| oiaohm | IBM was doing eproms in there mainframes of the time of the IBM PC. | Feb 20 07:54 |
| cubezzz | I think commodore 64 might have though | Feb 20 07:54 |
| oiaohm | Since those many require upgrades in there lifespan. | Feb 20 07:54 |
| oiaohm | IBM really got thing badly wrong with the PC. | Feb 20 07:54 |
| cubezzz | amarsh04, hope it wasn't too expensive :) | Feb 20 07:54 |
| oiaohm | The PC was mostly built from parts they had that were now oblosete to go into mainframes at the time. | Feb 20 07:54 |
| oiaohm | Problem with this is when someone went to clone the PC. | Feb 20 07:55 |
| oiaohm | Only thing that was unique was the rom chip. | Feb 20 07:55 |
| oiaohm | c64 contained custom parts | Feb 20 07:55 |
| cubezzz | amiga had kickstart, so you could update | Feb 20 07:55 |
| oiaohm | And so did basically ever other computer before the PC. | Feb 20 07:56 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, yes and that is a bit of a problem | Feb 20 07:56 |
| amarsh04 | no it wasn't cubezzz | Feb 20 07:56 |
| cubezzz | how to keep aging c64's working | Feb 20 07:56 |
| amarsh04 | one guy in Adelaide had a scsi hard disk connected to his c64 | Feb 20 08:03 |
| amarsh04 | bak soon | Feb 20 08:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Woah, #hongkong doctors seem to be handing out antibiotics left and right for any real/percieved bacterial/viral fever. Is that even legal? | Feb 20 08:04 | |
| cubezzz | Lt. Kernal :) | Feb 20 08:04 |
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| zer0c00l` | oiaohm: hi | Feb 20 08:17 |
| oiaohm | zer0c00l`: hi | Feb 20 08:19 |
| zer0c00l` | Are you a package maintainer? | Feb 20 08:19 |
| zer0c00l` | oiaohm: i think i have seen you in #fedora-devel | Feb 20 08:19 |
| oiaohm | Not a package mantainer. | Feb 20 08:20 |
| oiaohm | But I have been in there complaining at a particular package maintainer for screwing up a package. | Feb 20 08:20 |
| oiaohm | I do support for winehq in my time off. | Feb 20 08:21 |
| oiaohm | I really really wish people would not patch in times that upstream have documented as bust. | Feb 20 08:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] like the logo design of @mageia #mageia | Feb 20 08:21 | |
| oiaohm | Particularly pulse driver into wine that is hacked up from the oss driver that barely works right in the first place. | Feb 20 08:21 |
| *amarsh04 blames [5a03b051ed87e72b959f32a86054e1142ac4cf55] thp: use compaction in kswapd for GFP_ATOMIC order > 0 for the MIDI playback slow-down | Feb 20 08:21 | |
| zer0c00l` | i see | Feb 20 08:22 |
| oiaohm | My side is testing/debuging/support. | Feb 20 08:22 |
| zer0c00l` | oiaohm: ok | Feb 20 08:22 |
| oiaohm | Mostly walking new people threw those three steps. | Feb 20 08:22 |
| zer0c00l` | oiaohm: Do you work at red hat? | Feb 20 08:22 |
| oiaohm | No | Feb 20 08:23 |
| zer0c00l` | ok | Feb 20 08:23 |
| oiaohm | I am hoping to get a job with redhat. | Feb 20 08:23 |
| oiaohm | Pay would be better. | Feb 20 08:23 |
| zer0c00l` | oiaohm: nice. All the best. | Feb 20 08:23 |
| oiaohm | And due to what I do. At times I hate particular package maintainers with a passion. | Feb 20 08:23 |
| amarsh04 | not sure what my ideal job would be, like getting infrastructure type issues fixed, but it can be very frustrating doing so | Feb 20 08:24 |
| oiaohm | Support is if you like people. | Feb 20 08:24 |
| oiaohm | To be correct like to help people. | Feb 20 08:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @ArabRevolution To Celebrate The #Jan25 Revolution, Egyptian Names Firstborn "Facebook” http://ur1.ca/3amjd << cc @gladwell_m | Feb 20 08:24 | |
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| oiaohm | and have a tollerence to morons. | Feb 20 08:24 |
| oiaohm | Because you will get a lot of them. | Feb 20 08:25 |
| zer0c00l` | yes | Feb 20 08:25 |
| oiaohm | You know the old joke about a person using a cdrom drive as a coffee cup holder. | Feb 20 08:25 |
| oiaohm | Its not a joke there are real people who do that. | Feb 20 08:25 |
| zer0c00l` | oiaohm: if you running EL6, can you test a package for me? | Feb 20 08:25 |
| zer0c00l` | *if you are running EL6 | Feb 20 08:25 |
| oiaohm | zer0c00l`: Currently I am running a debian that is mangled. | Feb 20 08:25 |
| zer0c00l` | oiaohm: ok | Feb 20 08:26 |
| oiaohm | Its only was installed in 1998 | Feb 20 08:26 |
| *zer0c00l` is looking for people running EL6 | Feb 20 08:26 | |
| oiaohm | And been upgraded since then. | Feb 20 08:26 |
| zer0c00l` | cool | Feb 20 08:26 |
| oiaohm | And its starting to get a little upset. | Feb 20 08:26 |
| oiaohm | Might have to install this year. | Feb 20 08:26 |
| amarsh04 | I haven't mangled my Debian installations lately... there were very few broken transitions | Feb 20 08:27 |
| oiaohm | amarsh04: Its all the legacy files are stacking up. | Feb 20 08:27 |
| oiaohm | I am trying to work out if I should reinstall or create a clean up script. | Feb 20 08:27 |
| oiaohm | should I go for 15 years 1 install? | Feb 20 08:28 |
| amarsh04 | ah ok... I've used deborphan and gone through in aptitude manually purging packages that had been installed at some time and since removed | Feb 20 08:28 |
| amarsh04 | not a bad effort oiaohm | Feb 20 08:28 |
| amarsh04 | that's what Debian is for | Feb 20 08:29 |
| oiaohm | Also does not help that this one is not 1 repo either. | Feb 20 08:29 |
| oiaohm | I have sid testing and stable packages mixed up with each other. | Feb 20 08:29 |
| oiaohm | And a few ubuntu packages for good measure. | Feb 20 08:29 |
| amarsh04 | that's normal for me, but no ubuntu packages | Feb 20 08:29 |
| oiaohm | When I say mangled I do mean mangled. | Feb 20 08:29 |
| oiaohm | It was fine before I added the ubuntu ones amarsh04 | Feb 20 08:29 |
| oiaohm | What are now on my list to remove. | Feb 20 08:30 |
| amarsh04 | enough said... | Feb 20 08:30 |
| oiaohm | Mine you this is not my oldest system record. | Feb 20 08:30 |
| oiaohm | My oldest was a BSD that got to 13 and half. | Feb 20 08:31 |
| oiaohm | That one god kinda stepped in with a lighting bolt frying the hardware completely. | Feb 20 08:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @ _matilda__ ♺ @kennethlipp Libya protests: 140 'massacred' as Gaddafi sends in snipers to crush dissent - Telegraph http://ur1.ca/3ammb | Feb 20 08:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Cross-distro collab: App Installer #AppStream http://is.gd/FU8TSN http://is.gd/uBdTCq !Debian !Fedora #Mageia !openSUSE #Ubuntu #FOSDEM | Feb 20 08:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Journalists Facing Extinction http://tighturl.com/2yic | Feb 20 08:44 | |
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| zer0c00l` | /ma,es | Feb 20 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | I just got done filing a bug report on Opera 11.10 :) | Feb 20 08:50 |
| DaemonFC | never takes me long to find a bug in anything I use for some reason | Feb 20 08:50 |
| zer0c00l` | heh | Feb 20 08:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica - Black ops: how HBGary wrote backdoors for the government http://goo.gl/mWMEO | Feb 20 08:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | the KDE file selector is broken, but if I switch to the GTK+ or built-in backup it works | Feb 20 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | I chose to use the built in selector because GTK+ looks like shit in KDE, and choosing that selector causes a global setting for Opera to mimic GTK+ :) | Feb 20 08:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #MOD should employ #MadEyeMoody as their PR guy to reply "CONSTANT VIGILANCE!" to every question ;P | Feb 20 08:56 | |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l`: RE hackernews, LOL | Feb 20 08:57 |
| schestowitz | He makes _zero_ arguments and false accusations against me | Feb 20 08:58 |
| schestowitz | Typical Scientolo... I mean, Mono | Feb 20 08:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Fluxbox 1.3 Released: Fluxbox, the X window manager derived from Blackbox, has reached version 1.3... http://bit.ly/h1g7y8 | Feb 20 08:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] QEMU 0.14 Improves Linux Virtualization: While it was not long ago that QEMU 0.13 was released, QEMU version 0.1... http://bit.ly/id3Bi0 | Feb 20 08:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://pastebin.com/Mq8T6x06 | Feb 20 09:02 |
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| DaemonFC | I posted that to an MVP's blog to mock Microsoft's speed up your PC tips | Feb 20 09:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Welcome to my 600th subscriber in #identica - days ago I posted my 40,000th dent, too. Loving identica! | Feb 20 09:02 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: source...? | Feb 20 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Feb 20 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | he moderates his blog | Feb 20 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's not showing there yet | Feb 20 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2011/02/19/microsoft-suggests-6-ways-to-speed-up-your-pc | Feb 20 09:04 |
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| DaemonFC | you'd think every Windows user would know to run disk cleanup and defrag | Feb 20 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | they've only had what, 20 years of practice? | Feb 20 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 is so bloated that it doesn't run well on a lot of entry level hardware sold today | Feb 20 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | even systems that come with it pre-installed | Feb 20 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | I still have yet to see a store selling Windows 7 netbooks putting up any demo units | Feb 20 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's because they don't want you to see how slow it is until you get it home | Feb 20 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I salvaged a Dell netbook my aunt got with Windows 7 Starter on it, I put Kubuntu on there and switched it over to the netbook interface | Feb 20 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | an Atom CPU with 1 GB of RAM isn't exactly fast, but this was like warp speed compared with Windows 7 | Feb 20 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | you could see Windows 7 drawing things to the display is how slow that was | Feb 20 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's basically unusable | Feb 20 09:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @thistleweb New Blog Post | Journalists Facing Extinction http://tighturl.com/2yic | Feb 20 09:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @thistleweb which one? | Feb 20 09:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Welcome to my 600th subscriber in #identica - days ago I posted my 40,000th dent, too. Loving identica! | Feb 20 09:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @telecomix Eben Moglen's full FOSDEM speech with Q&A !ACTA starts at 46:00 http://bit.ly/ghKqyI | Feb 20 09:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You'd figure OEMs wouldn't put their name on something like that | Feb 20 09:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @laurelrusswurm Crouch had to play the part of the real one or get found out, so either really | Feb 20 09:14 | |
| DaemonFC | just to protect their own reputation | Feb 20 09:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/02/08/ibm_kills_power_6_6_plus_servers/ | Feb 20 09:14 |
| schestowitz | [09:09] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, I salvaged a Dell netbook my aunt got with Windows 7 Starter on it, I put Kubuntu on there and switched it over to the netbook interface | Feb 20 09:15 |
| schestowitz | Does it serve you well? 3D on Intel chipset? | Feb 20 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | it works well enough to use | Feb 20 09:15 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! | Feb 20 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | if if I had to get stuck with onboard, I'd rather it be Intel | Feb 20 09:16 |
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| schestowitz | I put plasma-netbook on my brother's laptop | Feb 20 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's not saying much, but the free Intel drivers can at least play Doom3, Quake 4, etc. (GMA 3100 can handle them at least) | Feb 20 09:17 |
| schestowitz | It does all the Expose-style "scale" effect | Feb 20 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | the free radeon drivers can't | Feb 20 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it doesn't take a very capable card or driver to run desktop effects | Feb 20 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | though Kwin compositing is now slightly more demanding than Compiz | Feb 20 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | I think Compiz runs as long as you have OpenGL 1.4 support | Feb 20 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | KWin wants OpenGL 2.1 support as of KDE 4.6 | Feb 20 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | but that's well within the capability of all the proprietary drivers, and most of the ones using Mesa or Gallium3d as of late | Feb 20 09:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] way past my bed time - up late watching double feature "Labyrinth" and "VabityFair"! Good night !Identica | Feb 20 09:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @thistleweb good point ;) | Feb 20 09:19 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, They're considering using OpenGL 3 in KDE 4.7 | Feb 20 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | but whether they do or not depends largely on where the free drivers are at | Feb 20 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | and they'd have to blacklist a lot of plug-ins for chipsets that aren't hardware capable | Feb 20 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | you still may get basic compositing support even if your driver or chipset aren't capable of running every plug-in | Feb 20 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | they could do it now really, just because a driver reports it's only OpenGL 2.1 capable doesn't mean it doesn't support a lot of OpenGL 3 extensions | Feb 20 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | they should probably base their feature set on what Gallium3d can currently do | Feb 20 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | and tell people using classic Mesa to use Gallium instead | Feb 20 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | glxinfo on my system reports a LOT more supported GL extensions with Gallium than with Mesa | Feb 20 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | the classic drivers aren't really getting new features now from my understanding | Feb 20 09:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] today I'm Spiderman! | Feb 20 09:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @fossmaniac ♻ @iitdlug: RedHat Linux Basics (Free Videos) :-) http://bit.ly/gvt1wk #iitdlug | Feb 20 09:29 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: got a source for this? I linked to a kwin update last night | Feb 20 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | which part? | Feb 20 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL 3 in KDE 4.7? | Feb 20 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/07/next-generation-opengl-compositing-in-4-6/ | Feb 20 09:31 |
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| DaemonFC | "In a next step I want to go to OpenGL 3 in 4.7, but the free drivers do not yet support this generation. (That’s perhaps a point to work together with Compiz developers)" | Feb 20 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | he could use a lot of OpenGL 3 features even if not all the free drivers support OpenGL 3 in its entirety | Feb 20 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | the level of OpenGL 3 support in drivers using Gallium3d is more or less uniform | Feb 20 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | if they use their own classic Mesa driver, their OpenGL support is less complete and they all support different extensions :) | Feb 20 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | there's a couple ways to attack the problem that I can see | Feb 20 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | tell everyone to use proprietary drivers -or- free drivers + Gallium3d | Feb 20 09:34 |
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| DaemonFC | and/or use a blacklist of cards and drivers that cannot enable certain plugins and leave the core user experience only dependent upon OpenGL 2.1 | Feb 20 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | Gallium3d in many cases is much slower than the proprietary drivers, but it is also a lot faster than classic Mesa, which already runs desktop effects at a good speed | Feb 20 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | I find Gallium3d intriguing even if it is currently a little slow and buggy | Feb 20 09:36 |
| oiaohm | The interesting case is there are particular applications that are faster with the open source drivers. | Feb 20 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | as long as it can stay near the screen refresh rate, then usability isn't really a problem | Feb 20 09:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] USA ambassador to Britain on telly says that USA is all about promoting democracy abroad (Paraphrasing). Obviously not true. #foreignpolicy | Feb 20 09:37 | |
| DaemonFC | yes, 2d acceleration is zomgfast with the open source drivers | Feb 20 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | not so much with nvidia or fglrx | Feb 20 09:38 |
| oiaohm | some forms of number crunching with the gpu are also zomgfast | Feb 20 09:38 |
| oiaohm | with the open source drivers | Feb 20 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | if you're not a gamer and spend all day staring at web browsers and office software, you may prefer the open source drivers just because they are a lot smoother in that use case | Feb 20 09:39 |
| oiaohm | I like comparing over time. | Feb 20 09:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @fossmaniac ♻ @nileshgr: The most dangerous thing you can do is teach someone a #programming language instead of how to program. | Feb 20 09:39 | |
| oiaohm | Todays open source video card drivers have improved a lot from 12 months ago. | Feb 20 09:39 |
| oiaohm | If they are able to keep the rate of improvement the gap could close up to mostly there for most users over the next 12. | Feb 20 09:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.newsmax.com/InsiderReport/Kerry-Campaigningfor-Hillarys-Job/2011/02/13/id/385916 | Feb 20 09:40 |
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| DaemonFC | within the next year at this rate I figure the r600g driver will be on par with FGLRX for 3d acceleration | Feb 20 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's gotten so much faster in the last 3 months alone that I can say with reasonable certainty that next year I'll have dumped Catalyst for good | Feb 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the kwin link | Feb 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | BTW, who does martin work for? I've always wondered... | Feb 20 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | not sure | Feb 20 09:41 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: do you remember all the people saying that open source drivers could never match closed source ones. | Feb 20 09:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Its going to be fun to watch some of those eat there words. | Feb 20 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but for the pre-HD radeons, they already smoke the last FGLRX release that supported those | Feb 20 09:42 |
| *fanta01 (~user@dslb-094-221-158-160.pools.arcor-ip.net) has joined #techrights | Feb 20 09:42 | |
| DaemonFC | so there was no reason to keep support in the proprietary driver | Feb 20 09:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 10 Fascinating #YouTube Facts That May Surprise You - http://on.mash.to/hQ8gdv well, maybe not suprise, but interest | Feb 20 09:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European Commission shows a weak hand to Hungary - http://bit.ly/fXrJmC feeble in the extreme #censorship | Feb 20 09:42 | |
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| DaemonFC | and the RadeonHD 2000/3000 series are coming close to the same speed as FGLRX | Feb 20 09:43 |
| schestowitz | wb, fanta01 | Feb 20 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | AMD dumped a lot of legacy crap out of their driver bundle this month | Feb 20 09:43 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: who does martin the window decorator guy work for? I doubt he's a volunteer | Feb 20 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | it shrank from 126 megs to 84 megs | Feb 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | window manager I meant.. | Feb 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itjungle.com/tfh/tfh021411-story08.html "A typical classroom is equipped with 22 workstations running the latest versions of both Microsoft Windows and Novell SUSE Linux. " | Feb 20 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I dumped Nvidia for good after they sent $50,000 to those damned Mormons to fund their anti-gay crusade out in California | Feb 20 09:45 |
| *schestowitz will buy oiaohm SLED 11 for the birthday.. :-p | Feb 20 09:45 | |
| DaemonFC | that just pissed me off to no end | Feb 20 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | all my systems have Radeons in them now | Feb 20 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Why did they pay/ | Feb 20 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Or rather, how did they justify this to shareholders? | Feb 20 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | their board of directors sent them $50,000 to fund their Proposition 8 deal | Feb 20 09:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ÞORN.INFO - http://bit.ly/e75NXe hot stuff...for linguists #linguistics | Feb 20 09:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] FBI Complains About Wiretapping Difficulties Due To Web Services - http://bit.ly/fUW3pQ useful hint, there... #privacy #webservices | Feb 20 09:46 | |
| DaemonFC | dunno, but they're on the list of donors | Feb 20 09:46 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I have not checked that out. | Feb 20 09:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the CEO wasn't feeling so gay that day.. | Feb 20 09:46 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: don't be funny. If SLED gets to version 13 I might buy 1. | Feb 20 09:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Feb 20 09:46 |
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| oiaohm | Just for black friday. | Feb 20 09:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: :-) | Feb 20 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | guess not | Feb 20 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | all my systems from now on are AMD, top to bottom | Feb 20 09:47 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE 11.4 might be last too | Feb 20 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sick of Intel and Nvidia and all their crap | Feb 20 09:47 |
| schestowitz | AttachMSFT gets Novell around 8/3 | Feb 20 09:47 |
| schestowitz | Which is just before 11.4 is out | Feb 20 09:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Can Android Without Dalvik Avoid Oracle's Wrath? - http://bit.ly/hTXzdK now there's a good question #android #java | Feb 20 09:47 | |
| DaemonFC | 11.4 isn't looking too bad actually | Feb 20 09:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Can Android Without Dalvik Avoid Oracle's Wrath? - Slashdot .::. Size~: 131.7 KB | Feb 20 09:47 |
| oiaohm | Intel I understand why there video drivers when to hell. | Feb 20 09:47 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Bama just made Otellini a special person... | Feb 20 09:48 |
| oiaohm | OpenJDK based Dalvik will avoid Oracle Wrath | Feb 20 09:48 |
| oiaohm | Because then it will be LGPL. | Feb 20 09:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/18/intel-idUSN1810760620110218 | Feb 20 09:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: UPDATE 2-Intel plans $5 bln Arizona chip plant by 2013 | Reuters .::. Size~: 70.63 KB | Feb 20 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | ORacle is pissed that there's an automated Java to Dalvik conversion tool set | Feb 20 09:49 |
| schestowitz | and then, amid Intel's patent lobbying.. | Feb 20 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's hilarious myself | Feb 20 09:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-naw-obama-otellini-20110219,0,6726198.story | Feb 20 09:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Obama to name Intel CEO Otellini to jobs panel - latimes.com .::. Size~: 186.72 KB | Feb 20 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Aww.... | Feb 20 09:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Help to get #MeeGo running on the #Samsung #Galaxy #Tab http://mge.bz/3o #NothingsSafe #Community | Feb 20 09:49 | |
| schestowitz | Got to love them... "job creation" and all those buzzterms | Feb 20 09:49 |
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| DaemonFC | I hate Java, I have no use for it | Feb 20 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | I don't even bother building the Java XPCOM bridge when I compile Firefox | Feb 20 09:49 |
| oiaohm | Really this next 12 will define where we are agoin. | Feb 20 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | I know I won't be using it :) | Feb 20 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Mobile phones shipping dual OS. | Feb 20 09:50 |
| oiaohm | That is kinda a game changer. | Feb 20 09:50 |
| oiaohm | Its always been natural for 1 os per device shipped. | Feb 20 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | Java was making everybody but Sun / SCOracle money and now they're going to kill their own platform by being sue happy with patents | Feb 20 09:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @frals: Ops, seems I had a nasty bug in latest fMMS release, new version uploaded to autobuilder now #n900 #maemo | Feb 20 09:51 | |
| DaemonFC | stupid SOBs deserve Dalvik :) | Feb 20 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Don't you think it's funny that Microsoft banned Mono right after Miguel was proclaiming Mono for everyone on VistaPhone7? | Feb 20 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | of course they're banning Mono, they're going to put .NET on there, the last thing they want is to compete with themselves with their own runtime | Feb 20 09:53 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Give me link to that page where you list your real accounts. | Feb 20 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | Opera still beats Chrome on Google's own javascript conformance test | Feb 20 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | cool :) | Feb 20 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I can tell, Opera is the closest browser to total javascript conformance | Feb 20 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Its fun watching the crap arguements why gpl3 cannot be in a app store. | Feb 20 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care what's in Apple's app store | Feb 20 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the arguements people stupidly come up with would prevent it from being in a distribution repo as well. | Feb 20 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | if people want to pay money for apps so they can constantly be several versions behind while the developer is navigating app approval hell, good for them | Feb 20 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Apple is truthful about it. | Feb 20 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Apple does not want to have to maintain a source archive. | Feb 20 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes is a valid arguement. | Feb 20 09:57 |
| schestowitz | [09:52] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, Don't you think it's funny that Microsoft banned Mono right after Miguel was proclaiming Mono for everyone on VistaPhone7? | Feb 20 10:02 |
| schestowitz | They want .NET on Vista Phony 7 | Feb 20 10:02 |
| schestowitz | They don't need Mono thee | Feb 20 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I said | Feb 20 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Mono is for poisoning Linux platforms | Feb 20 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Not for replacing .NET | Feb 20 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | and Mono and .Net are not compatible with each other | Feb 20 10:02 |
| schestowitz | oh, and UNIX too | Feb 20 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | they're only, similar | Feb 20 10:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Very much amused to be shown a new attack on me from Scientol^H^HMono, saying _zero_ to refuse my claims (message), just smearing character | Feb 20 10:03 | |
| schestowitz | Like Apple's hypeOS | Feb 20 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Similar=patents | Feb 20 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Identical=copyright | Feb 20 10:03 |
| schestowitz | See Dalvik | Feb 20 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Feb 20 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that you need a Mono Migration Assistant at all should tell you it's not .NET | Feb 20 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | if it was, then you wouldn't need to analyze your code and fix stuff all around before it would work on Mono | Feb 20 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Really Mono is a subset | Feb 20 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Ie features are missing. | Feb 20 10:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] MonoDroid and MonoTouch are trouble for the same reason Dalvik has proven a tad risky to Google. Microsoft hates UNIX/Linux, unlike Oracle. | Feb 20 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @markey Larry David really is one of a kind. Here are his views on religion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1yOckwMm_k #larrydavid # ... | Feb 20 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oracle waited a good while for Android to be sold/spread at pace of ~250,000 activations per day before attacking, demanding $$ for damages. | Feb 20 10:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - larry david on religion .::. Size~: 118.71 KB | Feb 20 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | which means that the section in the Community Promise(R) that says it only applies to full implementations doesn't cover Mono? | Feb 20 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 10:06 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Worse | Feb 20 10:07 |
| oiaohm | you have miss read. | Feb 20 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | before that could mean anything at all, your .Net implementation would have to be 100% ECMA compliant before you even released it | Feb 20 10:07 |
| oiaohm | Community Promise only covers stuff that is ECMA compliant | Feb 20 10:07 |
| oiaohm | MS .Net is not ECMA compliant | Feb 20 10:07 |
| oiaohm | So you are screwed. | Feb 20 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | it never said you couldn't add your own stuff | Feb 20 10:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] This past week, Microsoft Florian has been raving about Android tax while chatting to Microsoft MVP de Icaza, who linked back. #mono | Feb 20 10:07 | |
| DaemonFC | so GTK# is probably safe, right? | Feb 20 10:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/39213314026389504 | Feb 20 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @scottEweinberg: What's do Sarah Palin and my cat's anus have in common? (They're both on the TV all the time.) | Feb 20 10:08 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Basic sections of the CLI ie the byte code of .net does not follow ECMA | Feb 20 10:08 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: that mono is compadible with. | Feb 20 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | so if you comply with ECMA, you don't comply with the actual .NET | Feb 20 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like OOXML | Feb 20 10:08 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Feb 20 10:08 |
| oiaohm | Exactly like OOXML | Feb 20 10:09 |
| oiaohm | And exactly like RTF before that. | Feb 20 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | throw a phony standard they never intend to support out there | Feb 20 10:10 |
| oiaohm | This is not a new stunt by MS. | Feb 20 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | then produce something with the same name to confuse people | Feb 20 10:10 |
| oiaohm | Remember Windows 3.11 was offically a standard. | Feb 20 10:10 |
| zer0c00l` | schestowitz: yes | Feb 20 10:10 |
| zer0c00l` | :) | Feb 20 10:10 |
| oiaohm | Just MS did not update it for Windows 95 once they had market share. DaemonFC | Feb 20 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | I liked Windows 95, it was probably the closest Windows ever came to working the way I wanted it to | Feb 20 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | I kept my OSR 2.1 install disc around for a long time | Feb 20 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 10:10 |
| oiaohm | Its also when MS started shattering there compadibleity with OS/2 and other platforms. | Feb 20 10:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @satipera RT @markey Larry David really is one of a kind. Here are his views on religion: http://ur1.ca/3an8u #larrydavid | Feb 20 10:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | OS/2 had a lot of the same fundamental problems that Windows did | Feb 20 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | it even inherited the Portable Executable format | Feb 20 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | OS/2 wouldn't give you freedom, just a different master | Feb 20 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | crappy software full of bugs | Feb 20 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Ok LE don't you mean. | Feb 20 10:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Morning !identiverse :) | Feb 20 10:12 | |
| oiaohm | OS/2 did not use PE as such. | Feb 20 10:13 |
| oiaohm | OS/2 used LE that MS used as LX in vxd | Feb 20 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes 95 is a horid hibred of OS/2 tech and NT tech. | Feb 20 10:13 |
| oiaohm | And throw in a bit of dos for good measure | Feb 20 10:14 |
| oiaohm | Then wonder why you have a platform with bugs. | Feb 20 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 98 was worse | Feb 20 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | you could have WDM and VxD and DOS drivers all side by side | Feb 20 10:14 |
| oiaohm | When you foundations are quicksand | Feb 20 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 10:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Scientist finds Gulf bottom still oily, dead http://ur1.ca/3an9p via @qu1j0t3 #bp #gulf #pollution | Feb 20 10:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Cold, dark and raining on the Med coast today. Boo! Will try to do something constructive. So many things on the list, so little time. | Feb 20 10:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @gbraad Most definitely. | Feb 20 10:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | for all 5 minutes of uptime :) | Feb 20 10:14 |
| oiaohm | Windows 98 Se | Feb 20 10:14 |
| oiaohm | the got the uptime sorted temp. | Feb 20 10:14 |
| oiaohm | Then they had to release Windows ME | Feb 20 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | I had that Revenge of Mozilla tool | Feb 20 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | ripped out all the IE stuff and Outlook Express and other crap | Feb 20 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | and slapped in the Windows 95 OSR 2.1 shell files | Feb 20 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Feb 20 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | that was the first thing I did with Windows 98 installations | Feb 20 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Over the years MS has made it harder and harder todo that. | Feb 20 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft still had a site where you could download standalone updates | Feb 20 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | I could skip most of them because they were IE patches :P | Feb 20 10:16 |
| oiaohm | And start of 95 you still got a licence that was not locked to machine. | Feb 20 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | I've never liked IE, everywhere they could choose between what's best for the user and what's best for them and to let their partners spy on you, they chose the latter | Feb 20 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | and that continues even in IE 9 | Feb 20 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | apparently the Adblock Chrome guys have launched a FUD campaign against Adblock Plus for Chrome | Feb 20 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6768 | Feb 20 10:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK. Details: | Feb 20 10:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Meego "partners like AMD, Novell, Texas Instruments, ST Ericsson, & operators like Orange & Sprint are still on board" http://ur1.ca/3anb3 | Feb 20 10:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Intel still committed to MeeGo .::. Size~: 37.38 KB | Feb 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | Heh: http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/files/2010/12/2010_YIR-275x244.jpg | Feb 20 10:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Feb 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC's criminal hero as Crocodile Dundee | Feb 20 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Ubuntu has marked ffmpeg as a requirement of Chromium | Feb 20 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | MPEG ftw? | Feb 20 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | yay freedom | Feb 20 10:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.technewsdaily.com/white-house-to-move-government-data-to-the-cloud-2171/ | Feb 20 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Feb 20 10:27 |
| schestowitz | Your govt. gives the data you own to companies that own your country | Feb 20 10:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe mpeg2ogg | Feb 20 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | nah, it plays h264 | Feb 20 10:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !MeeGo "partners like AMD, Novell, Texas Instruments, ST Ericsson and operators like Orange, Sprint are still on board" http://ur1.ca/3anb3 | Feb 20 10:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | The Value Of Expertise http://tighturl.com/2yii | Feb 20 10:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Intel still committed to MeeGo .::. Size~: 37.38 KB | Feb 20 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Value Of Expertise | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 25.64 KB | Feb 20 10:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[vejeta/@vejeta] ♻ @invi !fotolibre !wikileaks !softwarelibre Artistas haciendo leyes y legisladores haciendo teatro http://ur1.ca/3agz9 | Feb 20 10:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[vejeta/@vejeta] ♻ @invi !fotolibre !wikileaks !softwarelibre Manual de sublevación ciudadana contra la Ley Sinde http://ur1.ca/3ah01 | Feb 20 10:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Políticos del S.XIX y Ley Sinde: #nolesvotes .::. Size~: 38.97 KB | Feb 20 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | Still? | Feb 20 10:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Set DockBarX To Use Compiz Scale Plugin (Unity-Like) http://bit.ly/fjsllI | Feb 20 10:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @thistleweb Nice work. I have an RSS feed to DP which does not work, have you a working one? | Feb 20 10:44 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Set DockBarX To Use Compiz Scale Plugin (Unity-Like) ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 56.8 KB | Feb 20 10:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Working on a manuscript to the tune of "My Boy Builds Coffins," by #florence_and_the_machine Somewhat ironic? | Feb 20 10:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @thistleweb Duh! Found it will have another go | Feb 20 10:47 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.last.fm/user/DaemonFC | Feb 20 10:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DaemonFC’s Music Profile – Users at Last.fm .::. Size~: 121.64 KB | Feb 20 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | Disco Inferno? | Feb 20 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | why not? | Feb 20 10:49 |
| *DaemonFC cranks it | Feb 20 10:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @thistleweb Loaded and working | Feb 20 10:49 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Feb 20 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | you know you had too much coffee when you're playing the air guitar to Boston | Feb 20 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Feb 20 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | lets see if Wine 1.3.14 likes Fallout 3 | Feb 20 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Feb 20 10:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Legislators in Kerala, India work better with Ubuntu laptops http://ur1.ca/3abfe | Feb 20 10:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Legislators in Kerala, India work better with Ubuntu laptops | Canonical .::. Size~: 40.52 KB | Feb 20 10:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] FYI - Identi.ca is my main microblogging platform. You can still see tweet on Twitter because Identi.ca can post on Twitter. GoodBye Twitter | Feb 20 11:02 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, that kernel I built yesterday is going pretty strong | Feb 20 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | didn't figure it would with all the patching I did to it :P | Feb 20 11:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Lockheed Martin involved in surveillance and data processing for the CIA and FBI wins contract for British census. http://is.gd/xSws1X | Feb 20 11:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Boycott the UK census over links to Lockheed Martin, protesters say | UK news | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 233.97 KB | Feb 20 11:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Microsoft boosters are like Stalin. Attacking all opositon. Look comments http://ur1.ca/3a2nd | Feb 20 11:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Bans Its Own License (updated twice) - Simon Says... .::. Size~: 66.14 KB | Feb 20 11:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Bash one-liner guides always show you howto replace suffixes, so i put this up: http://ur1.ca/3anmn | Feb 20 11:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: LxH Blog » Script to edit first letters of multiple files .::. Size~: 36.56 KB | Feb 20 11:12 |
| schestowitz | What do you mean by "strong" kernel? | Feb 20 11:16 |
| schestowitz | This one is funny at the end with Beck and the cow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_bzB3HJVcU | Feb 20 11:17 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Intel Demonstrates #MeeGo OS On A Tablet: Video http://ur1.ca/3anno #linux | Feb 20 11:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @schestowitz #Intel Demonstrates !MeeGo OS On A Tablet: Video http://ur1.ca/3anno #linux | Feb 20 11:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @ungethym: Mentor wanted for #KDE #GSoC http://is.gd/No0DKl | Feb 20 11:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Web Browser Insecurity http://tighturl.com/2yil I appear to be a bloggin' machine this morning :/ | Feb 20 11:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[whirli/@whirli] http://is.gd/xSIa2d #USA tried to force !finland not to sell cheaper medicine to its people. How can you be disappointed with that? !wl | Feb 20 11:31 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/it-business/3261625/frustrations-mount-over-london-stock-exchange-data-interface-problems/ | Feb 20 11:32 |
| schestowitz | "Publicly, the LSE and the data vendors say they are working together as engineers scramble to fix the price data problems, even though some statements to clients suggest elements of blame." | Feb 20 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | What's up with that? | Feb 20 11:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can now push some moles in to 'pull a German Foreign Office' | Feb 20 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | I may have to build a linux-2.6.37.1-ryan2 | Feb 20 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | found some updated bfs and apparmor patches that seem to apply cleanly | Feb 20 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Feb 20 11:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Pardus Kurumsal 2 http://ur1.ca/3anvv #gnu #linux #kde | Feb 20 11:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] changed my profile to also have the colors; orange = 'defiance', white = 'neutral' and blue = 'work'. based on the old Dutch Princes flag | Feb 20 11:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ‘Ubuntu Linux’, ‘Ubuntu GNU/Linux’? No, use ‘Ubuntu’! http://ur1.ca/3a9q3 #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Feb 20 11:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Top 8 Newest #GNOME #GTK Themes Worth Trying Out http://ur1.ca/3anwh | Feb 20 12:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Looking at a few Operating Systems http://ur1.ca/3anxf #gnu #linux | Feb 20 12:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #VLC Celebrating its Tenth Birthday, VLC Truly is One of the Biggest Open Source Success Story http://ur1.ca/3any0 #freesoftware | Feb 20 12:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Debian Squeeze:about relevance and visibility http://ur1.ca/3any8 "our famous distribution seems to be slowly drifting toward invisibility" | Feb 20 12:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fluxbox 1.3 Released | What’s new | Compile Fluxbox http://ur1.ca/3anyt very simple, but polished | Feb 20 12:07 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU14ciTTfWo&feature=related | Feb 20 12:17 |
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| schestowitz | This is hilarious | Feb 20 12:17 |
| schestowitz | I missed it... | Feb 20 12:17 |
| schestowitz | It's almost as bad as Richard's attack on black people... | Feb 20 12:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z47LZS7rhwE&feature=related | Feb 20 12:17 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Get Your USB Drives To Work With VirtualBox (Ubuntu Host) http://bit.ly/gYikQK | Feb 20 12:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @schestowitz #VLC Celebrating its Tenth Birthday, VLC Truly is One of the Biggest Open Source Success Story http://ur1.ca/3any0 #free ... | Feb 20 12:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @schestowitz #VLC Celebrating its Tenth Birthday, VLC Truly is One of the Biggest Open Source Success Story http://ur1.ca/3any0 #fb | Feb 20 12:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Bye bye Twitter http://richs-lxh.com/twitter-account-closed-identi-ca-ftw/ | Feb 20 12:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @dacashman !fluxbox 1.3 !! http://fluxbox.org/news/all.php#1298141402 !linux | Feb 20 12:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just removed my "Follow me on Twitter" button from my blog. Strangely refreshing all this de-twittering :) | Feb 20 12:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Part 36 of a very good series is now out http://ur1.ca/3ao6u | Feb 20 12:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Fluxbox 1.3 released, will it be able to lure me away from !openbox? It served me well for many years until !crunchbang converted me to OB. | Feb 20 12:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US using Twitter to build WikiLeaks case http://is.gd/MWCNDJ !wl | Feb 20 12:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Stop Belo Monte! http://bit.ly/e9JKHC Save our native brazilians! | Feb 20 12:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @rrix just saw it on BBC World News | Feb 20 12:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh <a href="http://identi.ca/maloki"><img src="/files/main/img/ identica.png" alt="identi.ca" style="border: medium none;"></a> | Feb 20 12:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 20/2/2011: Fluxbox 1.3 is Out, FSF Calls for Boycott of MPEG-LA Signers http://ur1.ca/3aoa7 !techrights | Feb 20 12:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 20/2/2011: Fluxbox 1.3 is Out, FSF Calls for Boycott of MPEG-LA Signers http://ur1.ca/3aoa7 #techrights | Feb 20 12:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Japan rebuilds foreign intelligence service to spy on neighbours http://is.gd/7xiAsW !wl | Feb 20 12:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Reputation manager with a good reputation? Is he is own client? Or is he actually good? http://tighturl.com/2yio #PR | Feb 20 13:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @harishpillay ♻ @schestowitz #VLC Celebrating its Tenth Birthday, VLC Truly is One of the Biggest Open Source Success Story http://ur ... | Feb 20 13:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "the most damaging thing is a person with a lot of time & a lot of hate" & a full time job "managing reputations" | Feb 20 13:06 | |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: ping | Feb 20 13:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Alien Dalvik - Android goodness everywhere - http://bit.ly/eOIc7P | Feb 20 13:09 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi, what's up? | Feb 20 13:09 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Ex-FBI agent held in Iran, may have left clue on prison wall http://is.gd/B3SxHV !wl | Feb 20 13:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] RT @floeff Nearly 50% of the required capital stock donated - AMAZING! Thanks so much! http://is.gd/fIhHHf !libo !tdf #tdfchallenge | Feb 20 13:16 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi, David | Feb 20 13:16 |
| dyfet | It is a good day to do a new release... | Feb 20 13:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] welcome to web 20; the evolution of the dot | Feb 20 13:17 | |
| schestowitz | GNU telephony? | Feb 20 13:19 |
| dyfet | No, just of gnu ucommon, I was struggling with the fact posix monotonic clocking does not seem to work correctly with pthread_cond_timedwait on some gnu/linux arm targets.... | Feb 20 13:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @lxoliva @faconti só não explica por que as páginas favoráveis ao ECAD foram privilegiadas, né? http://ff.im/-ykv5B #MInc | Feb 20 13:22 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/39309142355222528 | Feb 20 13:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Metztli_IT: #Debian ♒drifting toward invisibility—not loosing relevance but becoming…framework 2 build #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/3any8 {♺ @schestowitz} | Feb 20 13:29 |
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| schestowitz | dyfet: I didn't know you maintained it too | Feb 20 13:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] British Parliament to Reduce Dependence on #Microsoft While #Facebook Increases It http://ur1.ca/3aojt #fb #silverlight | Feb 20 13:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] British Parliament to Reduce Dependence on #Microsoft While #Facebook Increases It http://ur1.ca/3aojt #ooxml #uk #silverlie | Feb 20 13:29 | |
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| schestowitz | dyfet: emphasis on "It" | Feb 20 13:29 |
| dyfet | I maintain a number of probably obscure packages that are in the GNU project... | Feb 20 13:30 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I need link to that page when you list accounts so that people know others are fakers. | Feb 20 13:36 |
| gnufreex | I don't see it on front page | Feb 20 13:36 |
| dyfet | My primary concern is in continuing the freedom of what we do, not in the popularity of our packages | Feb 20 13:38 |
| gnufreex | Popularity can help... but it sometimes harm also. | Feb 20 13:39 |
| dyfet | there is nothing wrong with popularity, so long as one does not choose to compromise freedom to try and achieve it | Feb 20 13:40 |
| gnufreex | Exactly | Feb 20 13:40 |
| gnufreex | but once something is popular, some will try to "monetize" it | Feb 20 13:40 |
| gnufreex | Now, it depends how | Feb 20 13:41 |
| dyfet | there is nothing wrong with that either, again so long as freedom is not compromised in the process | Feb 20 13:41 |
| gnufreex | That is why i say "depends how" | Feb 20 13:41 |
| dyfet | true, and exactly :) | Feb 20 13:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Cool, just got Disqus for Android by scanning a barcode :) | Feb 20 13:42 | |
| schestowitz | Asterisk is a good example. | Feb 20 13:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: ANC a 'complete mess' http://is.gd/91XNsw !wl | Feb 20 13:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft is Still Lying About the Numbers of Vulnerabilities http://ur1.ca/3aonk #lie #spin #windows #security | Feb 20 13:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft is Still Lying About the Numbers of Vulnerabilities http://ur1.ca/3aonk #novell #vuln #exploit | Feb 20 13:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Novell is Being Ditched http://ur1.ca/3aoor #attachmsft #novell #cptn #groupwise #mail #school #migration #network | Feb 20 13:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Novell is Being Ditched http://ur1.ca/3aoor #microsoft | Feb 20 13:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Green Movement - 4.1-magnitude earthquake rocked Tehran minutes ago http://post.ly/1e9NK | Feb 20 13:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Downloading the new !radiohead album, King of Limbs. Eagerly awaiting the physical package they'll send me with CD, Vinyls, and what not. | Feb 20 14:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Spends Millions Attacking #Google at #Antitrust Level, Murdoch’s Press Helps #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/3aosm | Feb 20 14:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft Spends Millions Attacking #Google at #Antitrust Level, Murdoch’s Press Helps #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/3aosm #lobbying | Feb 20 14:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] 8 tracks in !radiohead album... Little over half an hour. Somehow I can't help feeling a bit ripped off, I hope they are all freaking good. | Feb 20 14:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks: Keiko Fujimori dio detalles de su acuerdo con el Apra http://is.gd/B84ldL !wl | Feb 20 14:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Wikileaks: Keiko Fujimori dio detalles de su acuerdo con el Apra http://is.gd/B84ldL http://bit.ly/hIh6Hs | Feb 20 14:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Wikileaks en “Página/12” http://is.gd/dUMwFS http://bit.ly/gEnU6p | Feb 20 14:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks en “Página/12” http://is.gd/dUMwFS !wl | Feb 20 14:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] House votes 244-179 to kill U.S. funding of #IPCC - http://bit.ly/eUI8KF voting the US back into the 18th century #climatescience | Feb 20 14:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @txt Turns out "Google pulls Flash Game Player from the !Android Market" was some syncing issues at Google's end. | Feb 20 14:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Swedish Courts Coming To Senses: €200 Filesharing Fine - http://bit.ly/icWtgP getting a sense of proportion #filesharing #sweden | Feb 20 14:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody Swedish Courts Coming To Senses: €200 Filesharing Fine - http://bit.ly/icWtgP getting a sense of proportion #filesharing # ... | Feb 20 14:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Eprints Institutional Repository Software: A Review - http://bit.ly/i9eLod useful summary of this #opensource tool #libraries | Feb 20 14:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why The Name “Pirate Party”? - http://bit.ly/igvkSK "we believe in copying and in civil liberties. Some people brand us pirates for that." | Feb 20 14:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Colombia on Wikileaks http://is.gd/d7PeUI !wl | Feb 20 14:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Google has “no plans” to ban copyleft - http://bit.ly/ey3oPI I should hope not, but useful to have in writing... #gpl #google | Feb 20 14:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !android Froyo Eeepc iso DOWNLOAD link http://android-x86.googlecode.com/files/froyo-eeepc-20110101.iso | Feb 20 14:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xtarwars/@xtarwars] !wikileaks #Colombia en Wikileaks http://www.elespectador.com/wikileaks/articulo-252038-los-cables-de-colombia | Feb 20 14:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Building the Technology Stack for Internet Freedom (Gigaom) http://lwn.net/Articles/428954/rss | Feb 20 14:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Where Novell Staff Goes After Abandoning Novell http://ur1.ca/3ap94 #novell #ximian #wordperfect #lasala #ericschmidt | Feb 20 14:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Where Novell Staff Goes After Abandoning Novell http://ur1.ca/3ap94 #google #schmidt #josephlasala | Feb 20 14:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] jobs posting - python django developer needed by kenneth-gonsalves {go for it} http://ur1.ca/3ap9u | Feb 20 14:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Libyan forces fire machine-guns at crowd of mourners http://yhoo.it/hOD2Tu | Feb 20 15:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Courts Coming To Senses: €200 Filesharing Fine http://bit.ly/icWtgP getting a sense of proportion #filesharing #sweden | Feb 20 15:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] “Shares of Novell Rank the Lowest in Terms Of EPS Growth in the Systems Software Industry” http://ur1.ca/3apd0 #attachmsft #novell | Feb 20 15:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “Shares of Novell Rank the Lowest in Terms Of EPS Growth in the Systems Software Industry” http://ur1.ca/3apd0 #software #finance | Feb 20 15:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Software Center adds ‘inappropriate rating’ link, and more http://goo.gl/s4vVa #natty | Feb 20 15:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Use it in non-free apps !fs ♺ @toros: #OMG #Ubuntu: Software Center adds ‘inappropriate rating’ link, and more http://goo.gl/s4vVa #natty | Feb 20 15:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] any opinion on appleseedproject vs diaspora? would it make sense to merge? http://appleseedproject.org/ and https://joindiaspora.com/ #fb | Feb 20 15:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Do anybody know if I can search inside my books managed by !Calibre !Fedora | Feb 20 15:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Posting from my netbook using !android Froyo live from USB pendrive #awesomeness | Feb 20 15:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Coverage for Sale http://ur1.ca/3aphc #novell #MSPmentor | Feb 20 15:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Coverage for Sale http://ur1.ca/3aphc #pr #sponsorednews | Feb 20 15:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh It's in the app store on Froyo. Must be your phone settings. | Feb 20 15:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @thp4: #gPodder 2.13 "Mr. Dingle, the Strong" released - http://blog.gpodder.org/2011/02/gpodder-213-mr-dingle-strong-released.html | Feb 20 15:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh It's not a phone. It's a live-booted iso on my Netbook. | Feb 20 15:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] City go on the goal scoring rampage after Balotelli comes off lol go figure | Feb 20 15:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @MMFlint States r running out of $$ cause the rich haven't been paying their taxes & they've destroyed the middle class (more lost tax$) | Feb 20 15:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh Well, that might be the problem then.... Probably screen size restrictions or something. | Feb 20 16:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] wondered why #Pino fonts were smaller than usual, then it occurred to me that I'd taken my reading glasses off to make #coffee DOH! lol | Feb 20 16:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh I can see other apps in the app store, just not Mustard. @macno gave me the download link, so I think i'll try and install to hdd. | Feb 20 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @MMFlint From @tmorello (RageAgstMach): The Battle of Madison. Monday/100k expected. History in the streets. Be there, I will. It's ON. | Feb 20 16:08 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Faither | Feb 20 16:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Farrah3m: THE PPL OF #LIBYA ASKED FOR THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS AND RECEIVED BULLETS IN RETURN. | Feb 20 16:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Farrah3m: LIBYAN GOVT HAS KILLED OVER 300 LIBYANS IN THE LAST 3 DAYS WITH HUNDREDS LEFT IN CRITICAL CONDITION .. #libya | Feb 20 16:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @themadhatter RT @Farrah3m: THE PPL OF #LIBYA ASKED FOR THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS AND RECEIVED BULLETS IN RETURN. | Feb 20 16:13 | |
| Faither | Hiya schestowitz | Feb 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/GaryArmstrong/status/39354455765958656 | Feb 20 16:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @GaryArmstrong: If I worked for Nokia, I would be cautious about Elop @schestowitz: "Nokia CEO Stephen Elop purchased 150,000 shares of Nokia" | Feb 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Indeed. | Feb 20 16:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] KDE India Community to Organize Its First Conference in Bangalore http://ur1.ca/3appt #kde #india | Feb 20 16:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Kinect – Licensing implications of open hardware projects - http://bit.ly/hLLj8b good reminder of legal issues #microsoft | Feb 20 16:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Slashdot owner reports loss again http://ur1.ca/3apqn Microsoft PR does not pay off much, does it? | Feb 20 16:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz /. runs microsoft advertising; that's not really the same as a pro-MS bias. | Feb 20 16:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @schestowitz KDE India Community to Organize Its First Conference in Bangalore http://ur1.ca/3appt #kde #india | Feb 20 16:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "The VitalQIP 1200 is built on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 and is also available as a software appliance." http://ur1.ca/3apta | Feb 20 16:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 They have that, too http://ur1.ca/23ugc http://ur1.ca/3aptl http://ur1.ca/3aptj http://ur1.ca/3aptk | Feb 20 16:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Internet empowers people: "one in a billion chance... kidnapped toddler found using microblog" http://is.gd/KDg31G !China | Feb 20 16:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] where is the line between "much changed" and "weakened" team? #FA #sillyrules #football #Aresenal #ManUTD | Feb 20 16:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] UK based war crimes party want to kick Welsh nationalists out of Wales, think they know better http://tighturl.com/2yj3 #NuLabour #Iraq | Feb 20 16:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] sometimes #football fans just go way too far http://tighturl.com/2yj5 #murder | Feb 20 16:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Bob Maistros thinks Watson cheated on Jeopardy scandal - sort of http://ping.fm/Nq6rM | Feb 20 16:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !KDE India Community to Organize Its First Conference in Bangalore http://ping.fm/bqHxx | Feb 20 16:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Archos 28: A Very Affordable Android Pocket Tablet Computer http://ur1.ca/3apwp "-OS: Android 2.2 (Froyo)" #linux #pmp | Feb 20 16:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #PS3 Jailbreaker #GeoHot Asks For Donation To Defend Against #Sony - VeryRite http://ping.fm/jE3Ar | Feb 20 16:47 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.junauza.com/2011/02/android-pocket-tablet-computer.html | Feb 20 16:53 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Using Mozmill to Test !Firefox Extensions http://ping.fm/rvw3d | Feb 20 16:54 | |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/64960184 | Feb 20 16:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Billy (seeds)'s status on Sunday, 20-Feb-11 16:52:02 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz i have the archos 70. real good tablet for the price | Feb 20 16:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @mwkn: Community: State of Maemo, Q12011.1 - http://is.gd/BbYTgA #maemo #n900 #meego #nokia #intel | Feb 20 16:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] A tentar obter mais info sobre barramento de chamadas de valor acrescentado, #SVA; opt-in / opt-out? http://ur1.ca/3apy5 http://ur1.ca/3apz9 | Feb 20 17:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @ruiseabra: Use it in non-free apps ♺ @toros: Ubuntu Software Center adds ‘inappropriate rating’ link http://goo.gl/s4vVa | Feb 20 17:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Silent installation of #LibreOffice on Windows http://ur1.ca/3aq15 or better yet, install #GNU #Linux which comes with LibreOffice in it. | Feb 20 17:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mako/@mako] In NYC for the the Students for Free Culture conference. Trying to encourage more contributors to AcaWiki. #sfcnyc | Feb 20 17:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @akfoerster you should also ask companies with patents that read on vp8 (if there are any) to set a good precedent and set them free! | Feb 20 17:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @jacobwb I am watching this discussion closely: http://ur1.ca/3anoc Interesting stuff. | Feb 20 17:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Jesusfreak #climatechange deniers like science when it gives them #iPads & airplanes, but not when it warns us to curve pollution. | Feb 20 17:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Airport face-scanning robots switched off http://ur1.ca/3aq4d good news, but it's not permanent http://ur1.ca/3aq4g #manchester #airporn | Feb 20 17:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 'Kill Switch' Internet bill alarms #privacy experts http://ur1.ca/3aq4x "The bill — crafted by Sens. Joseph Lieberman..." << anti- !wl guy | Feb 20 17:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android Market to Add Music, Movies, and Books /by @chrisbeepbeep http://ping.fm/J1rjC http://ping.fm/plOzY | Feb 20 17:24 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm.. now a book? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Big-Brother-Watch-Alexander-Deane/dp/1849540446 | Feb 20 17:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Ubuntu Software Center adds ‘inappropriate rating’ link, and more http://ping.fm/XfCVB | Feb 20 17:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Munich Continues to Migrate to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/3aq7s of course if does. #freedom #debian | Feb 20 17:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Strange… Since yesterday(?), my dents bridge to Twitter *way* before they show on my profile. | Feb 20 17:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Soldiers in #Libya - do the RIGHT thing. Protect the people, not a dictator who has lost his mental health. #feb17 | Feb 20 17:36 | |
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| Here's the US AirForce bragging about their sock puppet software. https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=d88e9d660336be91552fe8c1a51bacb2&tab=core&_cview=1 | Feb 20 17:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Persona Management Software. - Federal Business Opportunities: Opportunities .::. Size~: 25.26 KB | Feb 20 17:42 |
| The daily rotten quotes a portion, ""Software will allow 10 personas per user, replete with background , history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent. Individual applications will enable an operator to exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries." | Feb 20 17:43 | |
| One piece of software is called, "Anonymizer Enterprise Chameleon" | Feb 20 17:45 | |
| A static IP is assigned to each persona. | Feb 20 17:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @jwildeboer Soldiers in #Libya - do the RIGHT thing. Protect the people, not a dictator who has lost his mental health. #feb17 | Feb 20 17:46 | |
| the IP address looks like it is coming from the region that matches the sock puppet persona | Feb 20 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] You can now donate to the Defence Fund using Visa, Mastercard and PayPal | http://alturl.com/5qx2q !wl | Feb 20 17:48 | |
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| it looks like they want to use this in Afghanistan, but it goes to show how sophisticated the PR industry has become with this sort of slime. | Feb 20 17:49 | |
| It also goes to show how the USAF is working to match their boast to "dominate cyberspace" | Feb 20 17:49 | |
| connect the dots to HBGary and US Chamber of Commerce. | Feb 20 17:52 | |
| All of these clowns are using the same software. | Feb 20 17:52 | |
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| I imagine the software is as honest as it's intended use and will come with backdoors from the maker. If they are dumb enough to run it on Windows, as we know from the recent Google sting, Microsoft will be able to spy on it. | Feb 20 17:54 | |
| ISPs too will be able to notice, unless they use TOR. | Feb 20 17:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !ndroid on my EeePc had to be installed to the first partition for Grub to boot to it. All fixed now. | Feb 20 17:56 | |
| Android on a EEE PC. I wonder what that would give you that Debian does not. | Feb 20 17:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow. Looks like a fantastic election result in Hamburg. Absolute majority for #SPD would be sweet. :) | Feb 20 18:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @jwildeboer @carlopiana: As a former soldier, it's obscene to me how oppressive regimes—esp. the #USA—use their forces. | Feb 20 18:04 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.cringely.com/2011/02/let-them-eat-veggies-obama-has-dinner-with-steve/ | Feb 20 18:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: I, Cringely » Blog Archive » Let them eat veggies: Obama has dinner with Steve - Cringely on technology .::. Size~: 105.93 KB | Feb 20 18:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @lamm @carlopiana maybe NATO could dispatch the #Atalanta fleet to help the protestors? #wishfulThinking | Feb 20 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | You hardly ever see Ballmer and Schmidt in the same scene | Feb 20 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer might try to "buy that f**** pu***" | Feb 20 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer might try to "bury that f**** pu***" | Feb 20 18:11 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, it's know that they do it | Feb 20 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Not there is more concrete proof and you taxpayers are paying for it | Feb 20 18:13 |
| schestowitz | The FBI only makes itself look more silly because inevitably it gets caught and it becomes another cablegate | Feb 20 18:13 |
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| *lightpriest_ has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Feb 20 18:14 | |
| proof and details are good to have | Feb 20 18:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @OlafScholz: I just ousted C. Ahlhaus as the mayor of Hamburg! http://4sq.com/f2gzhH | Feb 20 18:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow... Am I the only one who thinks this slogan http://outl.ws/g7xmSj is contraproductive? !fedoradesign | Feb 20 18:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Feb 20 18:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] It's certainly true but it's still crappy advertising, no? !fedoradesign | Feb 20 18:22 | |
| "freedom trumps convenience" is not true. It is a false choice because freedom is always more convenient than the alternatives. | Feb 20 18:28 | |
| schestowitz | "The King of Jordan fired his cabinet, trying to look like part of the solution, not the problem." How true http://www.cringely.com/2011/02/metternich-and-mubarak/ | Feb 20 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/37554986393153536 | Feb 20 18:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @josephtartakoff: Mary Jo Foley speculates that changes are coming to Microsoft's Zune, including a possible rebranding, http://zd.net/dItQEE #pcbuzz | Feb 20 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | *anything* to pretend it's not being abandoned | Feb 20 18:30 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/37554986393153536 | Feb 20 18:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @josephtartakoff: Mary Jo Foley speculates that changes are coming to Microsoft's Zune, including a possible rebranding, http://zd.net/dItQEE #pcbuzz | Feb 20 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://search.slashdot.org/story/11/01/30/2142259/Google-Would-Beat-Bing-At-Jeopardy-Says-Wolfram | Feb 20 18:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Would Beat Bing At Jeopardy, Says Wolfram - Slashdot .::. Size~: 121.48 KB | Feb 20 18:32 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-google-gives-schmidt-a-100-million-equity-award/ | Feb 20 18:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Gives Schmidt A $100 Million Equity Award | paidContent .::. Size~: 30.72 KB | Feb 20 18:35 |
| More of the campaign to screw Google? http://www.alternet.org/media/149949/the_real_reason_glenn_beck_hates_google?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet | Feb 20 18:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Real Reason Glenn Beck Hates Google | Media | AlterNet .::. Size~: 105.12 KB | Feb 20 18:36 |
| broadcast nutjobs seem to be getter worse | Feb 20 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | Oh, I forgot to connect this dot | Feb 20 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Someone should point that out in the comment | Feb 20 18:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Activist faces up to 10 years in prison for peacefully challenging big oil http://ur1.ca/3aqnp #greenpeace #bigoil | Feb 20 18:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Activist faces up to 10 years in prison for peacefully challenging big oil | Greenpeace International .::. Size~: 175.83 KB | Feb 20 18:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sooopergoof/status/39385568915750913 | Feb 20 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @sooopergoof: @schestowitz @jilliancyork UMM privacy experts AND anyone who's heard of #Egypt. wtf. PLS keep posting how to fight it ??!? THX | Feb 20 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Best way is to vote for Change (Kucinich for example) | Feb 20 18:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @no_to_war: #Libya livestream reports Army forces join Benghazi protesters, heading 2 airport 2 deal w/ mercenaries http://bit.ly/ikvas5 | Feb 20 18:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] L'Espresso: How Berlusconi stopped an anti-GM crops law at the request of the U.S. (Italian) | http://is.gd/L0DIWC !wl | Feb 20 18:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Hacking around with #Minecraft. | Feb 20 18:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @aurele @visualiza @matux Philosophy is a way to understand that we are free and how break our chains | Feb 20 18:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Few students make time to study computer science http://ur1.ca/3aqp8 "for a student to learn to write a letter in Microsoft Word..." | Feb 20 18:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @Henry_Kissinger Obama must reassure business leaders over Mid East. Just had CEO of L'Oreal crying hysterically in my office. | Feb 20 18:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Few students make time to study computer science - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review .::. Size~: 47.57 KB | Feb 20 18:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @slashdot: Will !Google Oppose DRM On #HTML5 Video? http://bit.ly/i079jW | Feb 20 18:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3 ♻ @hellonheelz I say have every GOP against health care reform spend an evening w/o big bucks and insurance in an ER. | Feb 20 18:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3 ♻ @hellonheelz Tell me why a person w/a Ph.D cannot see that ongoing care is more cost-effective than repeated visits to the ER | Feb 20 18:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Will Google Oppose DRM On HTML5 Video? - Slashdot .::. Size~: 69.65 KB | Feb 20 18:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @pla1: What Twitter policy did #Android app @Twidroyd violate? < That's a point @twitter - we heard about all about @UberTwitter | Feb 20 18:54 | |
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| URBAN HOMESTEADING™ http://www.alternet.org/food/149977/can_you_trademark_urban_homesteading?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet | Feb 20 18:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Can You Trademark Urban Homesteading? | Food | AlterNet .::. Size~: 102.6 KB | Feb 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Seen it | Feb 20 18:57 |
| schestowitz | It's in TR | Feb 20 18:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The US is one of the few countries where, if you're ill, you should be thankful for being in prison too (free care). If not, you might die. | Feb 20 18:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] L'ESPRESSO: Cosa gli abbiamo dato | http://is.gd/Rf05sI !wl | Feb 20 18:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] There is something inherently corrupt(ed) in a system that looks after the life of convected felons but none of the rest. #insurance #cartel | Feb 20 18:58 | |
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| schestowitz | Google still uses bright colours and children toys to market its wares http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2011/02/18/MWC | Feb 20 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | They build an image of innocence | Feb 20 19:00 |
| schestowitz | http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/02/16/the-future-for-qt-meego-and-symbian-cto-rich-green-explains/ | Feb 20 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The future for Qt, MeeGo and Symbian – CTO Rich Green explains | Nokia Conversations - The official Nokia Blog .::. Size~: 113.81 KB | Feb 20 19:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @schestowitz #Munich Continues to Migrate to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/3aq7s of course if does. #freedom #debian | Feb 20 19:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Best Buy has man arrested for trying to pay for free customer service with $2 bills (Baltimore Sun): http://bit.ly/hL8oqN | Feb 20 19:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A tale of customer service, justice and currency as funny as a $2 bill - Baltimore Sun .::. Size~: 30.22 KB | Feb 20 19:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @bugabundo: RSS 7 Chrome Annoyances and How to Fix Them: http://idek.net/42n8 « RSS subs is really good! | Feb 20 19:26 | |
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| schestowitz | It started with Mono | Feb 20 19:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Glinner vs. Doctorow: Notes from The Story – Pt I - http://bit.ly/ge26tP wonderful stuff #writing #blogging | Feb 20 19:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Glinner vs. Doctorow: Notes from The Story – Pt I | Open (minds, finds, conversations)... .::. Size~: 45.95 KB | Feb 20 19:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @osamak: #Gaddafi's son will give the first speech tonight. Let's start counting down three speeches! #Libya | Feb 20 19:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @osamak Azmi Bishara: Libya people's motto shouldn't be "the people want to overthrow the regime", but "the people want to have a regime" | Feb 20 19:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK, !LO #Minecraft server back up. Feel free to stress test.... LOL | Feb 20 19:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @osamak: The State TV of #Libya is broadcasting a pro-regime protest. | Feb 20 19:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] RT @agentsmith RT @carlopiana ♻ @jwildeboer Soldiers in #Libya - do the RIGHT thing. Protect the people, not a dictator who has lost his ... | Feb 20 19:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz ♻ @osamak: The State TV of #Libya is broadcasting a pro-regime #protest // they're only being Fair and Balanced! | Feb 20 19:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: L'ESPRESSO: Cosa gli abbiamo dato | http://is.gd/Rf05sI http://bit.ly/hzpOxf | Feb 20 19:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: LA REPUBBLICA: Washington sostenga Berlusconi avremo più soldati in Afghanistan | http://is.gd/SsqitP http://bit.ly/fPQfj9 | Feb 20 19:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Libya TV propaganda is same as #Mubarak in Egypt #tried - he also wanted tanks to run over people; in Libya the army does attack the people | Feb 20 19:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 It's just "shock and awe" -- I guess it's a good thing then. | Feb 20 19:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @edythemighty: What's the difference between a rottweiler and a poodle? If a rottweiler starts humping your leg, you let it finish | Feb 20 19:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Distraction Affliction Correction Extension - http://bit.ly/gG74IL clever | Feb 20 19:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is richslxh with 127 dents! | Feb 20 19:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ex-Leader of Charity for Disabled Gets 10 Years in Prison - http://bit.ly/etQVfK some might suggest a more condign punishment for betraying | Feb 20 19:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ex-Leader of Charity for Disabled Gets 10 Years in Prison, Must Pay $65 Million - ProPublica .::. Size~: 34.78 KB | Feb 20 19:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Android’s New Problem: Not Enough Fragmentation! - http://bit.ly/eolvAR you just can't win... #tablets #android | Feb 20 19:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Android’s New Problem: Not Enough Fragmentation! - http://bit.ly/eolvAR you just can't win... #tablets #android /via @glynmoody | Feb 20 20:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Techi.com • by JD Rucker • How the Human Brain Retains Information http://ping.fm/ZysXB | Feb 20 20:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rlyehbob: @glynmoody Leave Robert Jones alone, he was collecting money for Cthulhu! http://twurl.nl/h1kgo4 | Feb 20 20:14 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Corrupt El Paso charity boss exposed by The Oregonian gets 10 years in federal prison | OregonLive.com .::. Size~: 98.74 KB | Feb 20 20:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Busted. http://www.smartphowned.com/get_image.php?i=20110211105514dff5e631262197549905782b90e22d0e.jpg | Feb 20 20:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @zack: it's a bad sign when: you configure your calendar application to include Sat & Sun in the "work week" view | Feb 20 20:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Chromium Blog: Native Client: Getting Ready for Takeoff http://ow.ly/3ZYuT | Feb 20 20:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @glynmoody I get the ones where every tweet is about some scam, usually herbal. And yes, they are almost 100% American | Feb 20 20:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @glynmoody Don't know who RlyehBob really is, but he's hilarious. Claims Microsoft Management works for Cthulhu too. | Feb 20 20:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ROFL http://outl.ws/i2K9lf #lovecraft #cthulhu | Feb 20 20:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just maxed up the translucency and other #kwin effects in KDE, chose a new plasma theme. #KDE is today's best desktop, IMHO. | Feb 20 20:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @schestowitz Just maxed up the translucency and other #kwin effects in KDE, chose a new plasma theme. #KDE is today's best desktop, IMHO. | Feb 20 20:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @schestowitz E17 and XFCE are better than KDE. But it's a matter of taste. | Feb 20 20:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @themadhatter true | Feb 20 20:43 | |
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| schestowitz | http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2011/02/is-nokia-committing-harakiri-by.html | Feb 20 20:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Is Nokia Committing Harakiri By Aligning With Microsoft ? | All about Linux .::. Size~: 42.86 KB | Feb 20 20:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ircolle/status/39417728443875328 | Feb 20 21:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @ircolle: @schestowitz Things probably aren't much better now than in 2009, when 60% of bankruptcies were due to medical bills. http://ow.ly/1s3O8F | Feb 20 21:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Empty reply from server ( http://ow.ly/1s3O8F ) | Feb 20 21:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bahrain must reform now, Clinton says http://ur1.ca/3arna doctor, heal thyself | Feb 20 21:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bahrain must reform now, Clinton says | The Raw Story .::. Size~: 47.44 KB | Feb 20 21:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Libya "Update: Death toll now at least 173, rights group says" http://ur1.ca/3arnr | Feb 20 21:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Reuters:"people...gathered in central Beijing on Sunday after...pro-democracy gatherings inspired by protest rallies across the Middle East" | Feb 20 21:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Update: Libya death toll tops 173, says Human Rights Watch | The Raw Story .::. Size~: 50.06 KB | Feb 20 21:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Agence France-Presse: "As army withdraws from Bahrain’s Pearl Square, protesters return" | Feb 20 21:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 75,000+ protesters come out in Wisconsin as #Koch "tea party" Brothers turn out to have financed the anti-union governor | Feb 20 21:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Today's lesson in patience. http://evan.status.net/notice/600126 | Feb 20 21:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Evan Prodromou (evan)'s status on Sunday, 20-Feb-11 16:10:39 EST - Evan Prodromou .::. Size~: 8.29 KB | Feb 20 21:29 |
| schestowitz | it seems like more Americans realise that the real war is class war, not war on TERROR~1. And that their enemies are not Arabs but people who look just like themselves, only wearing Armani suits and a smile. | Feb 20 21:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @lnxwalt140 Today's lesson in patience. http://ur1.ca/3arqz >> +1 | Feb 20 21:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Here's me thinking talking to people and trying to offer criticism was a contribution. Apparently it's not... | Feb 20 21:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Evan Prodromou (evan)'s status on Sunday, 20-Feb-11 16:10:39 EST - Evan Prodromou .::. Size~: 8.29 KB | Feb 20 21:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3 ♻ @GaeMar01 #Blair linked to arms deal in #Libya - the same arms being used against its citizens? http://thetim.es/erAptv | Feb 20 21:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I think I am going to concentrate on doing something where my time is actually valued for a while. Somewhere were people are less touchy... | Feb 20 21:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @JohnFugelsang #Bahrainn #Libya, #Algeria #Egypt, #Yemen #Iran. Meanwhile in the 1st World, pls ignore #wiunion & enjoy #Snooki #Bieber | Feb 20 21:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Tony Blair linked to arms trade with Libya - Times Online .::. Size~: 20.77 KB | Feb 20 21:38 |
| Faither | schestowitz: "[..]Are we any closer of figuring out accurate sales figuers for windows 7 phones" - "Awe, it doesn't matter. Don't ask them. They don't really want to talk about it!" | Feb 20 21:39 |
| Faither | loool | Feb 20 21:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @GregMitch One more hat tip for Wikileaks: reminding us of McCain and Lieberman calling Libya and Gaddafi "friends." http://bit.ly/h6UglU | Feb 20 21:39 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The WikiLeaks News & Views Blog—Special Weekend Edition! | The Nation .::. Size~: 62.18 KB | Feb 20 21:41 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Feb 20 21:41 |
| Faither | hey ho | Feb 20 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Faither: true though.. | Feb 20 21:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek & Poke: Way Back When In Paradise http://goo.gl/JNA6j | Feb 20 21:41 | |
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| Faither | I know i tried finding some myself | Feb 20 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Hey Sebastian | Feb 20 21:41 |
| Faither | nothing there just made me laugh out really hard ^^ | Feb 20 21:41 |
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| schestowitz | Faither: it's estimated at about 400000 sales | Feb 20 21:41 |
| Faither | Your answer to that question was simply great ^^ | Feb 20 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Was it? Thanks, did think so myself | Feb 20 21:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Barack Obama 'friends' Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg http://ur1.ca/3artb Mark wants MOAR (!!) power, Obama wants Mark's DB (spying) | Feb 20 21:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh For that, I'd recommend a 6-month retreat at a Buddhist temple to build up the necessary patience to deal w/ user error+attitude. :D | Feb 20 21:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Farrah3m: Can u believe tht Gaddafi once said “There is no state with a democracy except #Libya on the whole planet.” Uh huh... | Feb 20 21:46 | |
| Faither | yep from openbytes 31 | Feb 20 21:46 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RebaSillavan595/status/39439051547217920 | Feb 20 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @RebaSillavan595: @schestowitz cant believe what is happening in #egypt, this video is history in the making http://hstl.co/5R | Feb 20 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Faither: oh, is it? | Feb 20 21:47 |
| schestowitz | I thought I maybe wrote it somewhere... | Feb 20 21:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm I deal with that every week without help from religion. Tends to keep you grounded, which I welcome... | Feb 20 21:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK, and now for at least eight hours of sleep. #frontalot | Feb 20 21:49 | |
| schestowitz | That video is nice. I saw it last month, couldn't understand the words though. | Feb 20 21:52 |
| Faither | 17:58 openbytes 31 | Feb 20 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Feb 20 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we'll do another episode tomorrow. Tim is at work.. | Feb 20 21:55 |
| Faither | looking forward to it | Feb 20 21:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] [US citizens] Stand in solidarity against Walker's radical proposal and threats - sign the open letter http://ur1.ca/3arvp #Wisconsin #Koch | Feb 20 21:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Stand in solidarity against Walker's radical proposal and threats - sign the open letter | Progressive Change Campaign Committee .::. Size~: 19.82 KB | Feb 20 21:56 |
| schestowitz | His job has irregular times. In November we managed to record once in two days, but that was unusual. | Feb 20 21:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @themadhatter holy christ, aren't people allowed to disagree with you? | Feb 20 21:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh Of course I'm being facetious, since I'm strongly against religion. Adults talking to imaginary friends just doesn't cut it. | Feb 20 21:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When KDE 4′s Activities Finally Made Sense http://ur1.ca/3arwd #kde #advancedUser #PowerUser #gnu #linux | Feb 20 21:59 | |
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| Faither | You were pushing out episodes pretty fast back then | Feb 20 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | Faither: I am way behind on Techbytes | Feb 20 22:00 |
| sebsebseb | Faither: trying to listen to Episode 22 again now, so far so good, last time it messed up | Feb 20 22:01 |
| sebsebseb | Faither: it's called Techbytes not Openbytes by the way | Feb 20 22:02 |
| Faither | aight -.- | Feb 20 22:02 |
| Faither | my bad | Feb 20 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | however he calls himself Openbytes on identica and so on | Feb 20 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | Tim | Feb 20 22:02 |
| Faither | having a had ache for 2 days and didn't get much sleep | Feb 20 22:02 |
| Faither | head^ | Feb 20 22:02 |
| Faither | -.- | Feb 20 22:02 |
| *sebsebseb had a lot of sleep earlier, and some quite interesting dreams | Feb 20 22:02 | |
| sebsebseb | so interesting that I didn't want to just get out of bed and such | Feb 20 22:02 |
| Faither | hehe | Feb 20 22:03 |
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| sebsebseb | Faither: thing is once awake, start forgetting stuff pretty quickly | Feb 20 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | useually | Feb 20 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Feb 20 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | great fun at the time though :) | Feb 20 22:03 |
| tacone | hello folks | Feb 20 22:03 |
| sebsebseb | hello tacone | Feb 20 22:04 |
| Faither | hiya | Feb 20 22:04 |
| tacone | long time | Feb 20 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Hey, tacone | Feb 20 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Long time | Feb 20 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Ha, beat me to it | Feb 20 22:04 |
| schestowitz | You also slowed down with the blog | Feb 20 22:04 |
| tacone | i pratically stopped | Feb 20 22:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Popular Puzzle Game 'Wind and Water' Comes to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/3arxg #gaming | Feb 20 22:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Popular Puzzle Game 'Wind and Water' Comes to Linux ~ Ubuntu Vibes .::. Size~: 106.08 KB | Feb 20 22:04 |
| tacone | i don't like ubuntu that much anymore btw | Feb 20 22:04 |
| schestowitz | tacone: almost | Feb 20 22:04 |
| schestowitz | About 2 posts/year | Feb 20 22:04 |
| tacone | and bad ones | Feb 20 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Short | Feb 20 22:05 |
| tacone | i finally got to be brave and try the moonlight plugin | Feb 20 22:05 |
| tacone | i needed it to watch a tv show for some reason | Feb 20 22:05 |
| tacone | well, it's disappointing. :D | Feb 20 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I know... | Feb 20 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Some Italian TV relies on SIlver Lie... notoriously | Feb 20 22:06 |
| tacone | our prediction turn right | Feb 20 22:06 |
| schestowitz | British TV dumped it | Feb 20 22:06 |
| schestowitz | US baseball too | Feb 20 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Olympics will have to... | Feb 20 22:06 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: Ok :) you don't like Ubuntu that much anymore, how come? | Feb 20 22:06 |
| tacone | no more updates, a 3.0 unsecure beta with the only use of giving bad experience to *xers | Feb 20 22:07 |
| tacone | sebsebseb: i dont' like what they're doing. it's developing very slowly and mainly unuseful things | Feb 20 22:07 |
| schestowitz | tacone: it must be part of Belusconi's plan to cripple the media... :-) Making it Silver Lie-dependent | Feb 20 22:07 |
| tacone | i hope google get the guts to dump chromeos and bakes an android for the rest of us | Feb 20 22:07 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: Ok more details please :) and I am not exactly keen on the direction they are giong in myself, starting with 9.04 | Feb 20 22:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fotoxx – The swiss army knife of #Linux photo editors http://ur1.ca/3arxz | Feb 20 22:07 | |
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| tacone | schestowitz: the only silver berlusconi knows about is the real deal | Feb 20 22:08 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Android 3.0 suits small desktops too | Feb 20 22:08 |
| tacone | schestowitz: i know. i like android | Feb 20 22:08 |
| tacone | my phone feels better than my notebook | Feb 20 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Chrome OS will possibly merge w/ Android at some level, Brin hoped 2 years ago almost | Feb 20 22:08 |
| schestowitz | tacone: not rubel? | Feb 20 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: Gnome paching :( and stuff like Ubuntu One to try and lock people in to that, and Ubuntu Software Centre is okish I guess, but not realy for expereinced users, Synaptic :) apt-get install :) | Feb 20 22:08 |
| tacone | i believe google work on android is much better than work on chrome os | Feb 20 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Chrome OS got obscure | Feb 20 22:09 |
| tacone | yes stupid paper-cut patching. | Feb 20 22:09 |
| schestowitz | i doubt they have much hope for it | Feb 20 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Another "beta" non-search project | Feb 20 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: then Unity is kind of intereting, but not really for me, makes their Gnome patching some of them, in to something sort of ok, because now it's not just Gnome patching it's a proper alternative interface, but they should have gone with Gnome Shell by default really for the desktp edition of 11.04 :) not Unity | Feb 20 22:09 |
| tacone | they're increasing the delta for the sake of it | Feb 20 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | the delta? | Feb 20 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | what you mean? | Feb 20 22:09 |
| schestowitz | But when they get something right, they usually hit jackpot, e.g. gmail, android, search | Feb 20 22:09 |
| tacone | delta = patches quantity | Feb 20 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Feb 20 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | yeah they are doing their own thing a lot more now, and a lot of it is sucky really | Feb 20 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | most users have no idea | Feb 20 22:10 |
| tacone | unity feels pretty bad to me, in the video, while gnome 3 is actually interesting even if not my kind of thing | Feb 20 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Delta is the diffs | Feb 20 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | and most of the sucky stuff, is aimed at new users as well, the average computer user, hmm | Feb 20 22:10 |
| tacone | tipical papercut is patch empathy (IM) to remove the status icon, because they have their own notification system | Feb 20 22:11 |
| tacone | but they just remove it without obviously allowing an option to bring it back | Feb 20 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: yeah a lot of that, removing notification icons, for their application indicaters | Feb 20 22:11 |
| schestowitz | If Debian has delta like Red Hat (maybe it has analogous things), it'll be funny to see how Ubuntu can delta-fy Debian... empty packets :-) | Feb 20 22:11 |
| tacone | as a result i don't use empathy | Feb 20 22:11 |
| tacone | or the stupid monochrome icons, with the result of increasing the work of everybody | Feb 20 22:11 |
| tacone | devs have to create more icons | Feb 20 22:12 |
| tacone | consistency is lost very often | Feb 20 22:12 |
| tacone | i understand their reason, but i'd rather have done more useful things | Feb 20 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: ok and back in 9.04, the shut down and log out, removed from system menu, for shut down and log out in 10.04 | Feb 20 22:13 |
| tacone | i think my phone has more settings options than ubuntu | Feb 20 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: ,but then, the automatic shut down feature after a minute, that I loved when it was introduced in 8.10, which is realy a upstream Gnome feature :) | Feb 20 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: well they remove it in 10.04, for lame, do you really want to shut down or re start messages, that are there when the patches for shut down on top right are enabled | Feb 20 22:13 |
| tacone | sebsebseb: it has been a long time i say: wanna know next ubuntu features ? read Fedora's roadmap :) | Feb 20 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: then I found that with Ubuntu 10.04, even after customising and removing loads of these patches, things still weren't quite the same as before with Ubuntu, altough that was partly also, because of Grub 2 and GDM 2 | Feb 20 22:14 |
| tacone | i tried to post in ayatana or on my blog, but they seem to imply i'm just yet another change resister | Feb 20 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah not even the old theme, would quite do it | Feb 20 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | it just didn't feel right | Feb 20 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: anyway yeah the 10.04 themes, I didn't like those enough and uh, 10.04 ended up being quite a pointless upgrade | Feb 20 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | except for a KDM screen that looked nicer by default hmm | Feb 20 22:15 |
| tacone | they're apparently trying to make it pretty right now, which is quite pointless imho | Feb 20 22:15 |
| tacone | the real thing we need is an html/css like thing. | Feb 20 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: yeah ever since Ayatana started doing stuff, Ubuntu started going down hill it seems, for experienced users I mean such as myself, and I guess you as well | Feb 20 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | for many expereinced users | Feb 20 22:16 |
| tacone | yes it feels dumbed down. problem is you have to mess in the command line to get what you want. that's not nice for the rest of the world | Feb 20 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | they want to compete against the Mac OS X interface, try and make something better, and win the masses over | Feb 20 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | that's the idea of Ubuntu now | Feb 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | even Mark Shuttleworth made it clear, about the competing against Mac OS X | Feb 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | quite awhiel ago now | Feb 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | that also means got to have the stupid social networking features built in and such, uh | Feb 20 22:17 |
| tacone | when android get's to work on low-grade notebook it will eat all linuxes | Feb 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | Facebook :( | Feb 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | Twitter :( | Feb 20 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | identica :) except not 100% for me, because of certain things | Feb 20 22:17 |
| tacone | one language (java), documentation (!), APIs ! | Feb 20 22:17 |
| tacone | a decent SDK and so on. | Feb 20 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: did you read something about the Banshee in Ubuntu 11.04 | Feb 20 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | and how | Feb 20 22:18 |
| tacone | ubuntu can't compete with macosx, if it even gets to MacOS will be dead and replaced by iOs | Feb 20 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | because it has the amazon store | Feb 20 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | Canonical gave the Banshee develovers two options | Feb 20 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | either remove the Amazon store, or they take 75% of the money, because it would donate to Gnome | Feb 20 22:19 |
| tacone | given the sad end of f-spot and moonlight that's not that clever | Feb 20 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: Moonlight is pretty much dead now | Feb 20 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | since Microsoft don't do Silverlight on normal Windows anymore | Feb 20 22:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How !Wikileaks REALLY Works http://ur1.ca/3arzy http://ur1.ca/3arzv http://ur1.ca/3as02 | Feb 20 22:19 | |
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| tacone | moonlight sucks and blows and swallows. | Feb 20 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | on Windows Phone 7 it will still be there | Feb 20 22:19 |
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| sebsebseb | or am I being missed up to the previous one, maybe both, well whatever | Feb 20 22:20 |
| tacone | wasted efforts | Feb 20 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: Ubuntu is like Windows now, when it comes to market share and user base | Feb 20 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | it's worth keeping an eye on here and there | Feb 20 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | ,because it's most popular | Feb 20 22:22 |
| tacone | schestowitz about wikileaks | Feb 20 22:22 |
| tacone | i spotted a weird censure | Feb 20 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Where? | Feb 20 22:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Hehe, my parents just got angry at me for something they told me to do but they forgot that they had told me to do it. #fail | Feb 20 22:23 | |
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| sebsebseb | tacone: as for Unity, very important that other distro's provide it as well I think as an option, I mean if they want a lot of users in the future | Feb 20 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: well it's being worked on for Fedora as an option, but also OpenSuse | Feb 20 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | however there is the Canonical copyright assignments issue | Feb 20 22:23 |
| tacone | schestowitz wikileaks is supposed to redact documents only to avoid threatened people to be killed, right ? | Feb 20 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | most/many developers of other distro's won't just want to contribute code to it, whilst it has that | Feb 20 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | and so on | Feb 20 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | oh and if neassrey other developers of other distro's can fork Unity | Feb 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | No | Feb 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | That's a spin | Feb 20 22:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] [Humour] #Cablegate - !Wikileaks opens secrets (c) 2010 Rap News - spsyed analysis http://ur1.ca/3as17 | Feb 20 22:24 | |
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| tacone | but I spotted a weird redaction. they released a complete document and the redacted hiding 2 names | Feb 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | US state dept/whatever: blah blah life at risk | Feb 20 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | however if Canonical play upstream properly, there shoudn't need to be a fork of Unity | Feb 20 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Wikileaks: we're redacting | Feb 20 22:24 |
| tacone | you guess who were the 2 people ? | Feb 20 22:25 |
| schestowitz | False corollary: redacting cables saves lives | Feb 20 22:25 |
| tacone | first name was a US senator | Feb 20 22:25 |
| *sebsebseb might put Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 3 on next month, and run it for quite a while, hmm | Feb 20 22:25 | |
| tacone | second name was Gianni Letta, de-facto Berlusconi vice. | Feb 20 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | some little issues in PC Linux OS that are getting at me, plus I am getting a bit bored of this distro now | Feb 20 22:25 |
| tacone | interesting uh ? | Feb 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Well, they are assassination targets too... public figures | Feb 20 22:26 |
| Faither | sebsebseb: install archlinux ^^ | Feb 20 22:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fabsh isn't freedom the ultimate feature? | Feb 20 22:26 | |
| tacone | schestowitz LOL that cable was about Berlusconi | Feb 20 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | Faither: probably not, it takes ages to set up as far as I know | Feb 20 22:26 |
| tacone | berlusconi is said to have bounds with mafia but nobody would kill for the content of that document | Feb 20 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | Faither: plus it would help to know commands and such better for that one I guess | Feb 20 22:26 |
| schestowitz | tacone: LOL | Feb 20 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | Faither: I am thinking Fedora 15 in May or whenever Virtualbox is ready for it, well maybe it will have in repo :D well Fedora 14 didn't | Feb 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | tacone: yeah... | Feb 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | But like I said, it's not about life-saving | Feb 20 22:27 |
| schestowitz | it's one of those myths | Feb 20 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | as for Mageia well nice distro to follow, but I guess i'll only really or mainly only really run it in a virtual machine for now, untill it becomes something more proper, hopefuly starting with their second release | Feb 20 22:27 |
| tacone | what's that about ? | Feb 20 22:27 |
| Faither | sebsebseb: chek out https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners'_Guide | Feb 20 22:27 |
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| sebsebseb | Faither: in a way I should do somethimg more complex, but | Feb 20 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | Faither: with newbie distro's it doesnt' take much to fix most problems you know | Feb 20 22:28 |
| Faither | sebsebseb: I found myself always customizing | Feb 20 22:28 |
| nisshh | Faither, your an Arch user? | Feb 20 22:28 |
| Faither | nisshh: yes | Feb 20 22:29 |
| nisshh | cool | Feb 20 22:29 |
| nisshh | i have tried arch | Feb 20 22:29 |
| nisshh | it very nice | Feb 20 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | Faither: a guy did help me set up Arch in a vm uh some time last year I guess it was, basic set up, and then I try to boot it, but nope woudn't work, the kernel didn't like Virtualbox or whatever | Feb 20 22:29 |
| nisshh | its* | Feb 20 22:29 |
| tacone | sebsebseb: I don't think the world will ever give a dime about Canonical's Unity | Feb 20 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: I think it will get pretty popular, since the most used Desktop Linu distro at the moment Ubuntu, and by a long way, will be using it by default | Feb 20 22:29 |
| tacone | a GUI is a work much bigger than them. they won't get far with it. | Feb 20 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: so newbies will get used to Unity, and expect it, when they try other distro's | Feb 20 22:29 |
| Faither | nisshh: i really like arch | Feb 20 22:30 |
| nisshh | Faither, i tried both Arch and Gentoo last year, have to say, while both were really good, Arch was nicer imo | Feb 20 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: some or many of them, will ask if the other distro's can have Unity | Feb 20 22:30 |
| nisshh | yah | Feb 20 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: yah at me? | Feb 20 22:30 |
| tacone | sad to say, Shuttleworth seems to be simply building a customized shell for himself. | Feb 20 22:30 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, no, at faither | Feb 20 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: Unity is being made for Ubuntu, and other distro's can use like I said earlier, but the CA issue | Feb 20 22:30 |
| Faither | nisshh: you can run arch in 'gentoo'-mode if you want to with the ABS | Feb 20 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: yep Canonical aren't playing upstream properly | Feb 20 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: as far as I know Gnome can't even adopt Unity, whilst it has CA | Feb 20 22:31 |
| nisshh | Faither, yeah, i really liked emerge on Gentoo tbh, but Arch overall was nicer to use | Feb 20 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: also good luck trying to get the truth about Unity from Ubuntu people such as Jono Bacon and Jorge Castro, who are about hyping up Unity | Feb 20 22:31 |
| nisshh | Faither, and the Arch docs are so much nicer | Feb 20 22:32 |
| nisshh | the gentoo docs are a bit of a mess, i had to get a gentoo user to help me find the right install docs | Feb 20 22:32 |
| tacone | hyping Unity is their work. | Feb 20 22:32 |
| Faither | nisshh: the entire community around arch is | Feb 20 22:32 |
| tacone | Castro was also hyping mono over dropbox iirc | Feb 20 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: if Unity becomes pouplar enough though, which is likely, if we like it or not, other distro's that want to also have a chance at being popular, will have to provide it optionally in their repo's at least | Feb 20 22:32 |
| nisshh | Faither, is a mess or nicer? | Feb 20 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: I personally do think though, that no other distro should ever use Unity by default, unless maybe Canonical play upstream properly, so yep sort out the copyright assignment issues | Feb 20 22:33 |
| Faither | nisshh: it's nice ^^ | Feb 20 22:33 |
| tacone | iFolder, and that didn't get anywhere | Feb 20 22:33 |
| nisshh | Faither, yeah | Feb 20 22:33 |
| tacone | problem with unity is it doesn't have a point | Feb 20 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: and it's very important that, most distro's that do Gnome, do Gnome 3 and Gnome Shell by default, when what I just mentioned, hasn't happended | Feb 20 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: it does have a point, to make an alternative interface, that is more suitable for the masses | Feb 20 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | hi nisshh by the way, so up early or awake late? | Feb 20 22:34 |
| tacone | nope the real point is to build a finger friendly interface | Feb 20 22:34 |
| tacone | but they're already late with it. | Feb 20 22:34 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, neither really, woke up at 9pm and been awake since :) | Feb 20 22:35 |
| nisshh | my sleep cycle is screwed | Feb 20 22:35 |
| tacone | ubuntu was hoping to become standard the facto for tablets and alike | Feb 20 22:35 |
| tacone | but tablets ship android right now, for good reasons. | Feb 20 22:35 |
| tacone | why should they want an OS with no real battery optimization whatsoever ? | Feb 20 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | From my trying of Unity on my desktop computer in Ubuntu 10.10 in Ubuntu and Lubuntu, it was alright, sort of impressive in a way, and in other ways it wasn't that good at all really. Then my trying of Unity in Ubuntu 11.04 apha 1 well that sucked, since that was the start of Unity being re done with Compiz instead of Mutter. Then I would have done Unity with Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 2, but nope since Nivida graphics card, and NIvida didn't have | Feb 20 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | a driver yet for the new Xorg. | Feb 20 22:36 |
| tacone | with notification that takes up screen estate in exchange for nothing ? | Feb 20 22:36 |
| tacone | so you like unity ? | Feb 20 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking about maybe putting Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 3, and maybe even it as in updating it all the way to the final of Ubuntu 11.04, but not quite sure yet | Feb 20 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | why? | Feb 20 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | well | Feb 20 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | Unity | Feb 20 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | of course | Feb 20 22:38 |
| tacone | i'll give it a shot then, someday | Feb 20 22:38 |
| tacone | on the paper, gnome3 looks far more impressive for me | Feb 20 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | altough on the other hand maybe I should try development versiosn of Fedora on here with Gnome Shell, actsual pshyicall install, not Live CD's which I haven't done yet, Live CD/DVD where apaprnatly Gnome Shell may run now on my hardware, not tried these yet | Feb 20 22:38 |
| tacone | gnome folks have more experience on UI's i think | Feb 20 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | I mean where it may run on my hardware without needing propritary driver :) | Feb 20 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: indeed they do | Feb 20 22:38 |
| Faither | gn | Feb 20 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | anyway if I do what I am saying when it comes to Ubuntu 11.04 and trying Unity all the way from alpha 3 untill the final of Ubuntu 11.04, I may kind of hate myself at the time heh heh | Feb 20 22:38 |
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| tacone | theoretically gnome3 should ship some plugin system in the future. | Feb 20 22:38 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, the thing i hate about Unity is that they made it so mac-like, but keep denying that its mac-like at all | Feb 20 22:38 |
| nisshh | and they keep calling the dock the launcher instead | Feb 20 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | on the other hand, maybe I should just do, Ubuntu 11.04 alpha 3, in a virtual machine, and carry on with my little minor PC Linux OS issues and such | Feb 20 22:39 |
| nisshh | when its clearly a dock | Feb 20 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Feb 20 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | I am not sure what I am going to be running and when exactly this year on this computer, I just have to wait untill the times, and make my mind up then | Feb 20 22:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @tius: http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/mpeg-la/boycott !fsfla !softwarelivre !softwarelibre | Feb 20 22:39 | |
| tacone | my take is they're trying to innovate for the sake of it | Feb 20 22:39 |
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| sebsebseb | nisshh: sure, and they don't want to talk about the copyright assignments either | Feb 20 22:39 |
| tacone | they either copy or change thing just to make it different | Feb 20 22:39 |
| tacone | they don't solve problems. | Feb 20 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and trying to get truth's out of them, when it comes to that kind of thing, I mean the two guys I mentioned earlier, the second in particular, well that can annoy them | Feb 20 22:40 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, yeah, there is that, one thing i would like to see is it not be Ubuntu-only, they should design it so Unity can be used on any/most distros | Feb 20 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: well it is kind of now, except other distro's have to patch it a bit into their distro or something, and then the CA thing | Feb 20 22:41 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, well, they are promoter's, thats all they are good at, tbh | Feb 20 22:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fabsh what convenience does Fedora sacrifice for software freedom?!? patented *Free* Software is left out because Red Hat says so | Feb 20 22:41 | |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: well one time in a channel not that long ago, I started saying something to a guy about Unity, and CA and so on, and Jorge saw it, and got quite annoyed at me | Feb 20 22:41 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, the CA thing? | Feb 20 22:41 |
| nisshh | yeah | Feb 20 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: yep if want to contribute to Unity, got to accept their copyright assignments agreement, and then Canonical own all the rights to that code basicalley | Feb 20 22:42 |
| tacone | he has the right to be annoyed and you have the right to not care about that | Feb 20 22:42 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, seriously? | Feb 20 22:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @evan that's assuming USA wanted to Free the Iraqi people. looks like all they wanted was the oil, and waiting wouldn't have done | Feb 20 22:43 | |
| nisshh | so its FOSS code, but can you can only contribute under a CA agreement? | Feb 20 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: also there are a few more recent links on omgubuntu.co.uk where some Jeff guy who has been trying to get it into Fedora as an option with the main guy, was trying to get more truths' about Unity and the CA and so on | Feb 20 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: even had Jono replying here and there, but yeah didn't go that well | Feb 20 22:43 |
| nisshh | yeah | Feb 20 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and yes as far as I know from what I have read and so on, to contribute back to Unity, the programmer just indeed accept Canonica's copyright assignment agreement | Feb 20 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and then Canonical can do pretty much whatever they want with that code | Feb 20 22:44 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, i guess canonical are sort of making their own interface and saying "no, this is our interface, if you want it, you can go to hell" | Feb 20 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | oh Free Software Foundation has CA as well, but we can trust them, to not do bad with the code | Feb 20 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | Canonical on the other hand well no not quite | Feb 20 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | Canonical is a for profit company at the end of the day for a start | Feb 20 22:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] .@evan Cost of #Iraq attack estimated $3 trillion and upwards (depending how far ahead you want to look) | Feb 20 22:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @lxoliva it never was about the Iraqi people one iota. If it had been, somebody might have thought twice before killing a million of them. | Feb 20 22:44 | |
| nisshh | yeah | Feb 20 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | plus Launchpad used to be closed source, and something else is still cloed source of Canonical's and so on | Feb 20 22:44 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, so the Unity API is not public domain then? | Feb 20 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: so yeah ok Canonical may have helped Fedora and OpenSuse provide to provide it as options for their distro's, but as far as I know, none of these developers have contributed any code back to Unity, because of the CA | Feb 20 22:45 |
| tacone | CA is not a big deal i think | Feb 20 22:45 |
| nisshh | tacone, how so? | Feb 20 22:45 |
| tacone | still, better not to have it | Feb 20 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: Unity used to use or still does, quite a few things that aren't upstream or whatever | Feb 20 22:46 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, what kind of stuff? | Feb 20 22:46 |
| tacone | CA give canonical the right to close the source at any point. but then a fork would happen. | Feb 20 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: so Canonical had been like helping Fedora and OpenSuse get round this or whatever, also the Fedora guy said there was something that needed to be accepeted upstream, before it could be provided for Fedora as an option | Feb 20 22:46 |
| nisshh | tacone, ah, i see | Feb 20 22:46 |
| tacone | not that that is good, but it's still no big deal | Feb 20 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: it is a big deal | Feb 20 22:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbFvSCsMF3s&feature=related | Feb 20 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: for those that don't trust Canonical enough | Feb 20 22:47 |
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| sebsebseb | and want to contribute to Unity | Feb 20 22:47 |
| tacone | i can see a dev to frustrated if their code gets closed. | Feb 20 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: if they drop the CA or change it a bit or whatever, other distros will provide it easier and contribute code even I guess | Feb 20 22:48 |
| nisshh | yeah | Feb 20 22:48 |
| tacone | schestowitz: WL sounds like a US tactic to free itself a little bit from the pressure of other parts of America | Feb 20 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: anyway glibc or something, something to do with that, needed accepting upstream | Feb 20 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | before Fedora could provide Unity in their repos optinalley | Feb 20 22:48 |
| nisshh | ah, must be a patch for glibc or something | Feb 20 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: I am not even sure what glibc is, but yeah I think it's that one | Feb 20 22:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fabsh when winning people becomes the primary concern, all important values are lost | Feb 20 22:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Eben Moglen: A free world needs !freesoftware - New Europe http://ping.fm/tbuFJ | Feb 20 22:49 | |
| sebsebseb | or maybe I am being mixed up with some other librarey | Feb 20 22:49 |
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| sebsebseb | I mean I get told names of libraries sometimes on IRC, and don't really know what they are for and such | Feb 20 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: ,but either way, something needs accepting upstream for Fedora to provide Unity as an option, unless it's already happended | Feb 20 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: I gave up on Ubuntu support, because 1. it was getting at me, how I would help out loads, some issues in the past and so on, and uhmmm loasd of help with people in pm at times, and such, hours and hours of help | Feb 20 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | and well most would still just use for support, don't want to be in contact still or wahtever, form a online friendshp you know | Feb 20 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: 2. the Unity news | Feb 20 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: 3. I wasn't likeing the Gnome patching since 9.04 anyway, except for in a way the sound menu | Feb 20 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: 4. why spend loads of time helping others with a distro that I know is going down hill | Feb 20 22:52 |
| nisshh | i agree on the first point | Feb 20 22:52 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, as for number 4, it is going down in your opinion, not everyones | Feb 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | tacone: :-) | Feb 20 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: yes in my opinion, but not just my opinion, many expereinced users opinions, even some of the Ubuntu Community Members | Feb 20 22:53 |
| tacone | schestowitz: nope ? | Feb 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe a way to close the nation's channels down | Feb 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | But unintended | Feb 20 22:53 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, yeah, *some* peoples opinion, but not everyones :) | Feb 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | They already crack down on many things | Feb 20 22:53 |
| schestowitz | tacone: you're right about gnome3 | Feb 20 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: Ubuntu going main streame, that's something I really wanted before, hence why I did Ubuntu support one reason, ok sure I didn't help enough to make it go main streame obviously, but anyway | Feb 20 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Much more compelling then fisher-price finger-friendly "let's-make-it-useful-for-mousing-too" unity | Feb 20 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and it was something to do, and yeah :) | Feb 20 22:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ArabRevolution @SultanAlQassemi Breaking: Al Arabiya: Unconfirmed reports that Gaddafi has left #Libya for an unknown country | Feb 20 22:54 | |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: I remember thinking Ubuntu 8.10 was ready for the main streame, with the correct help | Feb 20 22:55 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, the thing i dislike about ubuntu going mainstream is that to compete with windows/mac, ubuntu has to adopt the same strategies, which its already doing | Feb 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Canonical doesn't get enough out of vacuuming the whole Linux desktop market, they also want extra differentiators nopw | Feb 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | *now | Feb 20 22:55 |
| nisshh | thats why i dont want it to go mainstream | Feb 20 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what was that? | Feb 20 22:55 |
| nisshh | well, thats one reason | Feb 20 22:55 |
| schestowitz | U1 and Unity | Feb 20 22:55 |
| nisshh | schestowitz, yeah | Feb 20 22:55 |
| tacone | i deeply regreeted having developed a tool for ubuntu-only | Feb 20 22:55 |
| nisshh | tacone, so do i a little bit now | Feb 20 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | tacone: I deeply regret, some of the things I did in the past, because of Ubuntu | Feb 20 22:56 |
| tacone | i was forced to do that, more or less | Feb 20 22:56 |
| tacone | but putting extra effort to make it work on fedora etc would have paid | Feb 20 22:56 |
| nisshh | tacone, people file bugs saying that your app doesnt work on their distro and you have to tell them why, it makes me feel terrible | Feb 20 22:56 |
| nisshh | how i feel so tied to one distro | Feb 20 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | also what good did Ubuntu do for me anyway really? I mean I even lost a potential friend trying to convert him to Ubuntu, altough I guess it was other reasons as well | Feb 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | It's a bit like Linspire and Xandros now | Feb 20 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu takes a Debian and adds to it its [U] porfolio | Feb 20 22:57 |
| schestowitz | *port | Feb 20 22:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @Zorrrrro: Video of #Gadaffi on his way out of #Lybia? 71 cars motorcade. http://bit.ly/gppGkK | Feb 20 22:58 | |
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| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:55:48] <tacone>i deeply regreeted having developed a tool for ubuntu-only | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:56:04] <nisshh>tacone, so do i a little bit now | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:56:11] <sebsebseb>tacone: I deeply regret, some of the things I did in the past, because of Ubuntu | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:56:21] <tacone>i was forced to do that, more or less | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:56:38] <tacone>but putting extra effort to make it work on fedora etc would have paid | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:56:40] <nisshh>tacone, people file bugs saying that your app doesnt work on their distro and you have to tell them why, it makes me feel terrible | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:56:49] <nisshh>how i feel so tied to one distro | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:56:51] <sebsebseb>also what good did Ubuntu do for me anyway really? I mean I even lost a potential friend trying to convert him to Ubuntu, altough I guess it was other reasons as well | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:57:26] <schestowitz>It's a bit like Linspire and Xandros now | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:57:39] <schestowitz>Ubuntu takes a Debian and adds to it its [U] porfolio | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:57:44] <schestowitz>*port | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:57:59] Notice-TRIdentica to #techrights- [silner/@silner] RT @Zorrrrro: Video of #Gadaffi on his way out of #Lybia? 71 cars motorcade. http://bit.ly/gppGkK | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:58:00] <TechrightsBot-tr>Title: YouTube - YouTube هروب القذافى الى الصحراء الكبرى جنوب ليبيا .::. Size~: 132.83 KB | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:58:16] <schestowitz>tacone: some people do that w/ Android and hypeOS | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:58:26] <schestowitz>Objective C, Dalivik lockins.. | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:58:31] <schestowitz>*Dalvik | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [22:58:59] <schestowitz>Ubuntu will soon pee on the competition and call this "Urine", then nuke what's left, call it project "Uranium" | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:07] <sebsebseb>nisshh: oh you feel terrible, that your tied to Ubuntu? | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:07] <sebsebseb>nisshh: I used to think Ubuntu was great, and pretty much just ignored other distro's in a way, but then Ubuntu starting going ball bad, and I started to see the light again | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:07] <sebsebseb>nisshh: how other distro's and many of them are so great :) | ||
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| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:07] * sebsebseb highly regrets being an Ubuntu fan boy, beause of some of the things he did, whilst doing so | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:07] <sebsebseb>whilst being so, above | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:07] <nisshh>sebsebseb, i guess i was all pro-ubuntu when i first started using it, then the shine wore off, then people started telling me all this bad stuff | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:07] <MinceR>it's not your fault, sebsebseb | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:07] <MinceR>it did start off promising | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:07] <MinceR>it was good for a while | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:07] <sebsebseb>MinceR: yeah 8.10 the last properly good version of Ubuntu really | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:14] <sebsebseb>and 9.04 was good as well, except for the patch on top right for shut down | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:52] <tacone>schestowitz: android is a completely different platform | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:54] <sebsebseb>nisshh: personally I would be majorly ashamed if I was a Ubuntu Community Member today | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:00:56] <MinceR>"nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark"? | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:01:08] <nisshh>sebsebseb, schestowitz, im seriouslt considering letting my Ubuntu Membership expire and switching to Arch tbh | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:01:09] <tacone>ubuntu is as gnome as fedora | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:01:16] <nisshh>seriously* | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:01:16] <MinceR>sebsebseb: so would i, considering that indian troll that visited us | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:01:18] Notice-TRIdentica to #techrights- [qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] 'greatest threats to our children are poor diet &lack of exercise. Yet parents fret instead about risk of [abduction]' http://ur1.ca/3as7v | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:01:20] <TechrightsBot-tr>Title: Getting a grip .::. Size~: 158.47 KB | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:01:21] <sebsebseb>MinceR: heh | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:01:46] <sebsebseb>MinceR: well yeah omgubuntu is one reason I would be majorly ashamed of being a Ubuntu Community Member, as in the kind of people who tend to comemnt on there, and oh he is one of them | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:01:54] <tacone>schestowitz do you understand my point ? | ||
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| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:02:03] <schestowitz>Yes | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:02:22] <sebsebseb>nisshh: your a nice guy :) and I think your ready to move on to other distro's from Ubuntu | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:02:23] <nisshh>schestowitz, another reason im annoyed with Ubuntu is the terrible way they add/update their repos, its so hard for me to get my app into the repos that im just going to submit it to debian instead | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:02:27] <sebsebseb>nisshh: was Ubuntu your first distro? | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:02:31] <nisshh>sebsebseb, yes | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:02:44] <sebsebseb>nisshh: oh so Ubuntu was your first distrok, when did you start using? | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:02:45] <nisshh>sebsebseb, just so you know i have tried a good dozen others | ||
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| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:02:54] <tacone>yeah the best way to get stuff in ubuntu is to send to debian | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:03:01] <nisshh>i started using it way back in december 2008 | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:03:07] <sebsebseb>nisshh: also you don't even wantg Ubuntu to go main straeme you said | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:03:12] <sebsebseb>nisshh: well did you ever see Ubuntu bug 1? | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:03:20] <nisshh>lol, yep | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:03:23] <sebsebseb>Canonical want Ubuntu to go main streame | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:03:23] <tacone>motu were totally unresponsive last time i tried | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:03:33] <nisshh>all the newbies talk about that | ||
| [Sunday 20 Feb 2011] [23:03:36] <sebsebseb>nisshh: and Canonical want to make money whilst doing that as well | ||
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 20 23:02:50 2011 | ||
| *Now talking on #techrights | Feb 20 23:02 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom | Feb 20 23:02 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Wed Sep 22 21:19:38 2010 | Feb 20 23:02 | |
| tacone | yeah the best way to get stuff in ubuntu is to send to debian | Feb 20 23:02 |
| nisshh | i started using it way back in december 2008 | Feb 20 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: also you don't even wantg Ubuntu to go main straeme you said | Feb 20 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: well did you ever see Ubuntu bug 1? | Feb 20 23:03 |
| nisshh | lol, yep | Feb 20 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | Canonical want Ubuntu to go main streame | Feb 20 23:03 |
| tacone | motu were totally unresponsive last time i tried | Feb 20 23:03 |
| nisshh | all the newbies talk about that | Feb 20 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and Canonical want to make money whilst doing that as well | Feb 20 23:03 |
| nisshh | yeah | Feb 20 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: I don't hate Windows, oh sure I dislike it at times, when I am forced to use it, but I can keep Windows secure enough online, I don't hate Windows | Feb 20 23:04 |
| tacone | enough money to auto-sustain, of course. | Feb 20 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: most of the Ubuntu users seem to hate/dislike it though | Feb 20 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | anyway looking at Ubuntu | Feb 20 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | well | Feb 20 23:04 |
| tacone | i'm just happy not to have to use osx anymore | Feb 20 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | I am glad really more now days, that Windows is the most used OS in the wordl | Feb 20 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | not Ubuntu :) | Feb 20 23:04 |
| nisshh | yeah | Feb 20 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | yeah looking at how things are now with Ubuntu | Feb 20 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | I am quite glad, that Windows has most market share on the desktop | Feb 20 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | with Mac OS X in second place I guess even | Feb 20 23:05 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, i submitted my app for "review" nearly 6 months ago, it hasnt been touched since | Feb 20 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | I mean no distro is ready for the masses really, right now | Feb 20 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | come on other distro's :) let's become that, become better than Ubuntu, gain more users, and :) | Feb 20 23:05 |
| nisshh | and they claimed it was the fastest way to get my app into the repos | Feb 20 23:05 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: neither is winblows or macos ready for the masses | Feb 20 23:05 |
| nisshh | i dont want to know the slowest way | Feb 20 23:05 |
| MinceR | ubuntu is better than those two | Feb 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | ?? Title: YouTube - YouTube ???? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????? ???? ????? .::. Size~: 132.83 KB | Feb 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:58] <schestowitz> tacone: some people do that w/ Android and hypeOS | Feb 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:58] <schestowitz> Objective C, Dalivik lockins.. | Feb 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:58] <schestowitz> *Dalvik | Feb 20 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:58] <schestowitz> Ubuntu will soon pee on the competition and call this "Urine", then nuke what's left, call it project "Uranium" | Feb 20 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Microsoft play dirty yes, patents and so on, but having Windows as the most used OS in the world at the moment, isn't a really bad thing | Feb 20 23:06 |
| MinceR | then they can say "urine big trouble!" | Feb 20 23:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] trans @oli2be: Gaddafi has transferred his power to his son Saif al-Islam Gaddafi http://goo.gl/04Icx / @meithu #Libya | Feb 20 23:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @meithu: Al Jazeera English: Live Stream - Saif El Islam Gaddafi talking NOW | Feb 20 23:06 | |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes it is | Feb 20 23:06 |
| tacone | schestowitz ? | Feb 20 23:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Libye : Kadhafi aurait quitté le pays vers le Venezuela ou le Brésil. L'opposition refuse le transfert de pouvoir à Saïf Al-Islam - Mediarabe.info .::. Size~: 19.04 KB | Feb 20 23:06 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: it's the reason for hw and sw support issues | Feb 20 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well it is and isn't, depends on how going to look at it | Feb 20 23:06 |
| MinceR | starting with missing drivers | Feb 20 23:06 |
| tacone | Kadhafi is being hanged soon if it continues like that. | Feb 20 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway some people are right idiots in general, so they kind of deserve Windows and any problems they get with it, oh and that's more than just some people, that's a lot of people :D | Feb 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | sounds like a good thing to me | Feb 20 23:07 |
| tacone | main reason usa is silent is probably italian friendship with libya | Feb 20 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: only thing is, we can get effected by spam and such as a result, but well I don't use email much anyway :) | Feb 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: right, but i don't deserve having to hunt for some classes of hw that are properly supportecd | Feb 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | s/cd$/d/ | Feb 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | i also don't deserve having to use winblows at work | Feb 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | even if it's only a fraction of the time now | Feb 20 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: So Ubuntu was your first distro? When did you start using and why? | Feb 20 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh you got a job? | Feb 20 23:07 |
| MinceR | indeed | Feb 20 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: doing what? | Feb 20 23:08 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, i already told you that, lol :) | Feb 20 23:08 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: your mom :-) | Feb 20 23:08 |
| MinceR | sw development | Feb 20 23:08 |
| nisshh | well, i said when, but not why | Feb 20 23:08 |
| MinceR | currently medical imaging stuff on gnu/linux | Feb 20 23:08 |
| nisshh | schestowitz, lol | Feb 20 23:08 |
| schestowitz | tacone: interesting.. | Feb 20 23:08 |
| schestowitz | gn | Feb 20 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I know you meant as a joke, but naughtey schestowitz | Feb 20 23:09 |
| tacone | we get the oil from there. | Feb 20 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: a bit early for bed? | Feb 20 23:09 |
| tacone | berlusconi likes dictators, but italian bound is far reaching than the poor berlusconi interests | Feb 20 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I can think of two distro's that I would love to be more well main streame probably :) altough for one of them, well it has to be more developed first, since new | Feb 20 23:09 |
| MinceR | so can i | Feb 20 23:09 |
| tacone | actually it seems kahdafi planned is coup d'etat in italy. | Feb 20 23:09 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, im just going to go for a jog, ill explain to you why i started using linux when i get back :) | Feb 20 23:10 |
| MinceR | still, any gnu/linux would be preferable to have in the #1 spot to winblows or macos | Feb 20 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: ok | Feb 20 23:10 |
| tacone | we also sell them weapons etc. | Feb 20 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I am not so sure about that, if it's Ubuntu, since the current direction, but in general yeah probably even Ubuntu, on the other hand maybe not | Feb 20 23:11 |
| tacone | uh ? Kahdafi fled to Venezuela ?!.. | Feb 20 23:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 20/2/2011: Munich’s Migration to GNU/Linux Goes Well, #Android 3.0 Clues http://ur1.ca/3asbt !techrights | Feb 20 23:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 20/2/2011: Munich’s Migration to GNU/Linux Goes Well, #Android 3.0 Clues http://ur1.ca/3asbt #techrights | Feb 20 23:13 | |
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| tacone | arabian al jazeera says there are rumors about Gaddafi escaping in Venezuela. (probably not true btw) | Feb 20 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: hmm Sabayon yeah | Feb 20 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | listening to this old Techbytes episode 22 | Feb 20 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I tried to install Sabayon before, but something, and soemone would tell me how great it was and such, but yeah maybe I should give that a try on real hardware this year | Feb 20 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and set up Virtualbox 4.0 properly for Ubuntu 11.04 and such | Feb 20 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | I kind of forgot about Sabayon | Feb 20 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | untill this | Feb 20 23:20 |
| tacone | 11.04 is still alpha right ? | Feb 20 23:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] 'number of Americans who die every year from #smoking...exceeds number of Americans who died..in WWII' http://ur1.ca/3as7v | Feb 20 23:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Metals with Memories: The Shape Memory Alloys May Hold a Key to Future Energy Requirements | Scienceray http://ping.fm/6VW2F | Feb 20 23:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Metals with Memories: The Shape Memory Alloys May Hold a Key to Future Energy Requirements | Scienceray .::. Size~: 67.37 KB | Feb 20 23:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @ender2070 People are allowed to disagree with me. People aren't allowed to disagree with reality :) | Feb 20 23:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ganadel: URGENT:Libyan diplomat live on #Aljazeera says #Gaddafi has left #Libya towards #Venezuela,says it will b confirmed soon #T ... | Feb 20 23:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Dima_Khatib: I spoke to Venezuelan officials myself, got official denial of news that Gaddafi is on his way to Caracas. Not true ! # ... | Feb 20 23:28 | |
| MinceR | gn | Feb 20 23:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Yes, reason has been a part of organized #religion ever since two nudists took dietary advice from a talking snake. —Jon Stewart !q #LOL | Feb 20 23:49 | |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, im back | Feb 20 23:51 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: hi | Feb 20 23:51 |
| nisshh | just give me 2 minutes | Feb 20 23:52 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, right | Feb 20 23:55 |
| nisshh | you wanted to know why i switched to Linux? | Feb 20 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | yeah | Feb 20 23:55 |
| nisshh | well, its hard to remember now (was just over 2 years ago | Feb 20 23:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] ♺ @RonnyNaftaniel: In TelAviv is de eerste openlijk #homoseksuele rechter benoemd: Dori Spivak, oud voorz. vd Vereniging voor Burgerrechten | Feb 20 23:56 | |
| nisshh | but i vaguely remember seeing the word linux somewhere | Feb 20 23:56 |
| nisshh | and i had heard about it rarely before that | Feb 20 23:56 |
| nisshh | so i googled it,etc | Feb 20 23:56 |
| nisshh | and chose Ubuntu | Feb 20 23:56 |
| nisshh | and the rest is self explanitory | Feb 20 23:57 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, ^^^ | Feb 20 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | when? | Feb 20 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: yeah your like most of them in the past few years, Ubuntu since all the hype | Feb 20 23:58 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, December 2008 was when i switched | Feb 20 23:58 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, no, my first version was 8.10 | Feb 20 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: hmm your quite the newbie still then really | Feb 20 23:58 |
| nisshh | back then, it wasnt being hyped as much | Feb 20 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | oh Ubuntu 8.10 the last properly good version of Ubuntu :) | Feb 20 23:58 |
| nisshh | heh | Feb 20 23:58 |
| sebsebseb | I loved 8.10 | Feb 20 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | even though | Feb 20 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | well it was a bit annoying actsualley, the other computer well | Feb 20 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | I finaly upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10, 9.04 was already out | Feb 20 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | in fact I tried to upgrade soon after 9.04 came out if I remember correctly, like on download day or something, anyway | Feb 20 23:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Sock-puppets and HB Gary http://tinyurl.com/685lxfd - A great read! | Feb 20 23:59 | |
| nisshh | i would say im more of a newbie than some people, but less than many others | Feb 20 23:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sock-puppets and HB Gary • The Register .::. Size~: 21.34 KB | Feb 20 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah repos were slow, anyway I finally get it upgraded to 8.10 | Feb 20 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | and it all seemed to go ok :) | Feb 20 23:59 |
| nisshh | yeah | Feb 20 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Feb 20 23:59 |
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