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sebsebsebFurnaceBoy:  You here?Apr 10 02:18
FurnaceBoyyesApr 10 02:37
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schestowitz""issues" is a bit euphemistic, can't we just come out and call them "problems"? :)"Apr 10 07:00
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/68444878#notice-70751710Apr 10 07:00
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.73 KBApr 10 07:00
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: ysApr 10 07:00
schestowitztrueApr 10 07:00
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/directhex/statuses/56868687029862400Apr 10 07:01
TechrightsBot-sc@directhex: @rjek @Codepope saw it linked from the Techrights headline "Debian 6 Claimed to be Harmed by Mono, Ubuntu Suffers From Banshee Problems"Apr 10 07:01
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/ThistleWeb/statuses/56874109421887489Apr 10 07:02
TechrightsBot-sc@ThistleWeb: @satipera just a pointer, the show is techbytes or #tb, techrights is roys siteApr 10 07:02
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schestowitzMinceRhttp://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/political-pictures-japan-tsunami-christian-aid.jpgMar 17 07:20Apr 10 12:21
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schestowitzLOLApr 10 12:21
schestowitzSome lunatics in the religious community say Japan got his as punishment for being non-believersApr 10 12:22
schestowitzMinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/g8tgl/give_a_man_a_fish_and_youll_feed_him_for_a_day/Mar 22 15:32Apr 10 12:25
schestowitzLOLApr 10 12:25
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Give a man a fish and you’ll feed him for a day. Give him a religion, and he’ll starve to death while praying for a fish. : atheism .::. Size~: 444.09 KBApr 10 12:25
schestowitzMinceR: do you have log for this channel 25th of March to 27th?Apr 10 12:35
abeNd-orgwhat of the phrase "god helps those who help themselves", as in the person wouldnt just pray for fish, they would pray for fish while on the fishing boat actively fishingApr 10 12:55
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: hi.Apr 10 14:10
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I start my new f/t job tomorrowApr 10 14:10
schestowitzNice!Apr 10 14:11
schestowitzHarper steps down? :-)Apr 10 14:11
FurnaceBoylolApr 10 14:15
schestowitzJust wrote to PJ: "This was not the first veiled threat from Florian -- a threat which generally tried to use the chilling effect if not to threaten with litigation then with risk to one's job. I would love to know the many factors Groklaw takes into account when deciding in advance to irreversibly shut its doors. In a prior post questioning the future of the site, Groklaw stated that risk of litigation and threat/stress Apr 10 14:58
schestowitzwhich accompanies this had become a factor."Apr 10 14:58
schestowitzYesterday morning we were talking about these issuesApr 10 14:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you'll love this http://susanhellein.blogspot.com/2011/01/newest-spin-on-customer-slurvice.htmlApr 10 15:10
TechrightsBot-scTitle: ~susan hellein~: We All Die (and live, sleep, tweet, walk around etc...) Alone .::. Size~: 63.48 KBApr 10 15:10
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i see no reason to believe she shut down due to threats.Apr 10 15:10
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: she's practically vaccinated against it by now.Apr 10 15:10
schestowitzI knowApr 10 15:14
schestowitzI was not suggesting thatApr 10 15:14
schestowitzBut it was a factor to her since ages agoApr 10 15:14
schestowitzI hope she uses the free time to subpoena MOG et alApr 10 15:14
FurnaceBoyah.Apr 10 15:15
schestowitzJust got this by mail:Apr 10 15:15
schestowitz"Apr 10 15:15
schestowitzSubject: Groklaw closing doorsApr 10 15:15
schestowitz[...]Apr 10 15:15
schestowitzTo: s@schestowitz.comApr 10 15:15
schestowitzContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1Apr 10 15:15
schestowitzhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110409161444432Apr 10 15:15
schestowitz"Apr 10 15:15
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Groklaw - Groklaw Articles Ending on May 16th .::. Size~: 280.49 KBApr 10 15:15
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: look for a post called "what now?" or something like thatApr 10 15:15
FurnaceBoyi saw it.Apr 10 15:15
schestowitzShe explained that running Groklaw carried a riskApr 10 15:15
FurnaceBoyohApr 10 15:15
FurnaceBoyright, i don't recall thatApr 10 15:16
FurnaceBoyyes a riskApr 10 15:16
schestowitzShe pondered stopping several times beforeApr 10 15:16
FurnaceBoyre-reading what u wrote, i see Apr 10 15:16
schestowitzSo it was no shock at all to meApr 10 15:16
FurnaceBoyi wonder if shutting down removes much risk though.Apr 10 15:16
schestowitzAnd recently groklaw as all about sconyApr 10 15:16
FurnaceBoythey could still go after her quietly, after all she's still a threatApr 10 15:16
schestowitznot reallyApr 10 15:16
schestowitznot with regards to newsApr 10 15:16
schestowitzand florian rubs it in her faceApr 10 15:17
schestowitzdistorting her views, stillApr 10 15:17
FurnaceBoythey'll keep doing thatApr 10 15:17
schestowitzAnd then makes remarks...Apr 10 15:17
FurnaceBoyexcept now she has no platform to defend herself.Apr 10 15:17
schestowitz http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/56977978986463232Apr 10 15:17
FurnaceBoythey'll just start on revisionismApr 10 15:17
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz With Groklie shutting down, all responsibility to fight what you call #mobbyists falls on you now.Apr 10 15:17
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: exactlyApr 10 15:17
FurnaceBoywow, i blocked that asshole.Apr 10 15:17
FurnaceBoyi'm amazed he can get away with that kind of crapApr 10 15:17
FurnaceBoyisn't he supposed to be showing a squeaky clean corporate side?Apr 10 15:18
FurnaceBoybetween he and de Icaza, they behave like the assholes they really are, onlineApr 10 15:18
FurnaceBoyi guess it's the bravado of thinking they're winningApr 10 15:18
FurnaceBoycheques still clearingApr 10 15:19
schestowitzhe likes de icaza, they chat a lot tooApr 10 15:19
FurnaceBoysame with right-wing nutjobsApr 10 15:19
schestowitzflorian is a .net developerApr 10 15:19
schestowitzsays his friend, janApr 10 15:19
FurnaceBoyevery time the US Mil makes some big action, kills a lot of people, the nutjobs come out emboldenedApr 10 15:19
FurnaceBoysame personality... extrinsicApr 10 15:19
FurnaceBoythey take their courage from aligning with who they feel is the winning teamApr 10 15:20
schestowitzmaybe they hire from prison ;-)Apr 10 15:20
FurnaceBoytheir personalities are too weak to align with anything elseApr 10 15:20
FurnaceBoyno imagination, no courage, no convictionApr 10 15:20
FurnaceBoyjust a false bravado because the cheques still clearApr 10 15:20
FurnaceBoyit's wishful thinking in a wayApr 10 15:20
FurnaceBoylike the American right wingApr 10 15:21
FurnaceBoythey *want* to believe in exceptionalismApr 10 15:21
FurnaceBoy"wouldn't it be great if it really were true!"Apr 10 15:21
FurnaceBoy"wouldn't it be great if we really were the good guys like in the movies!"Apr 10 15:21
FurnaceBoyso... they just go ahead and believe it, because they don't have the guts to face realityApr 10 15:21
FurnaceBoythey believe guns make them safer, because to face up that they don't, is too frightening to themApr 10 15:22
schestowitzI think she hid GL comments by default for the aforementioned reasonApr 10 15:29
schestowitzBut also accuracy claims in general, i.e. reputationApr 10 15:29
schestowitzWe have IRC logs... sometimes used against us tooApr 10 15:29
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: religion reinforced exceptionalismApr 10 15:30
FurnaceBoyyeah, similar fantasyApr 10 15:38
FurnaceBoybuild an imaginary world and climb into it.Apr 10 15:38
FurnaceBoyit's just /easier/Apr 10 15:38
FurnaceBoyeasier to believe Gates is a boy genius, he earned the money, a saint for giving some awayApr 10 15:38
FurnaceBoyotherwise you have to challenge every mainstream narrative, you have to yell at the tv, you have to stop reading the NYT...Apr 10 15:39
FurnaceBoytoo hardApr 10 15:39
FurnaceBoyjust accept everythingApr 10 15:39
FurnaceBoy"yeah we rid Iraq of a very bad bad man"Apr 10 15:39
FurnaceBoy"US 1 / Evil 0"Apr 10 15:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Harper's here for CanadaApr 10 15:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's why he renamed the Government of Canada to the Harper GovernmentApr 10 15:40
schestowitzHarper is a countryApr 10 15:47
FurnaceBoya horrifying thought but it may be trueApr 10 15:51
schestowitzroom-=sized continentApr 10 15:53
schestowitz!google techrights gates harperApr 10 15:53
TechrightsBot-sc[1] - How the Gates Foundation is Sometimes Starving — Not Feeding ... | http://techrights.org/2010/09/07/banking-interests-in-africa/Apr 10 15:53
TechrightsBot-sc[2] - Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_CritiqueApr 10 15:53
TechrightsBot-sc[3] - Bill Gates Sells Drugs in Less Developed Nations (for Profit ... | http://techrights.org/2010/08/09/pharmaceutical-patents-and-profits/Apr 10 15:53
TechrightsBot-sc[4] - Seeds of Doubt in Bill Gates Investments | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/10/22/seeds-of-doubt-in-bill-gates-investments/Apr 10 15:53
oiaohmFurnaceBoy: Lets forget USA put the bad man into power in iraq.  USA is the one that had given iraq bioweapons to use in the iran iraq war.Apr 10 16:07
oiaohmFurnaceBoy: USA and Russia in the cold war did a lot of interference all through the middle east.  And its the major reason why its such a screwed up place.Apr 10 16:09
oiaohmUSA we believe in demoacry unless it means the difference between getting hands on oil or winning the cold war.  Apr 10 16:10
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schestowitzMinceR: nmApr 10 17:04
schestowitzGot a backup from the TR serverApr 10 17:04
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/57111429307838464Apr 10 18:31
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/57111633683693568Apr 10 18:31
schestowitzLOL spinnerApr 10 18:31
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/57111633683693568Apr 10 18:31
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/57111429307838464Apr 10 18:31
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/57111633683693568 http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/57111633683693568Apr 10 18:33
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @sjvn cont: It doesn't provide any transparency to me or the people who commented on LWN if you perhaps met someone claiming to be "PJ".Apr 10 18:33
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @sjvn cont: It doesn't provide any transparency to me or the people who commented on LWN if you perhaps met someone claiming to be "PJ".Apr 10 18:33
schestowitz http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/57111429307838464Apr 10 18:33
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @sjvn Even in the event you are right about "PJ" being a "real person", there isn't the right balance between privacy and public activism.Apr 10 18:33
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/57109995900239872Apr 10 18:33
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17SAAB7EM@FOSSpatents: @sjvn cont: It doesn't provide any transparency to me or the people who commented on LWN if you perhaps met someone claiming to be "PJ".Apr 10 18:33
17SAAB7EM@FOSSpatents: @sjvn Even in the event you are right about "PJ" being a "real person", there isn't the right balance between privacy and public activism.Apr 10 18:33
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17SAAB7EM@FOSSpatents: @sjvn cont: It doesn't provide any transparency to me or the people who commented on LWN if you perhaps met someone claiming to be "PJ".Apr 10 18:33
17SAAB7EM@FOSSpatents: @sjvn cont: It doesn't provide any transparency to me or the people who commented on LWN if you perhaps met someone claiming to be "PJ".Apr 10 18:33
17SAAB7EM@FOSSpatents: @sjvn Even in the event you are right about "PJ" being a "real person", there isn't the right balance between privacy and public activism.Apr 10 18:33
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TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @jwildeboer I wonder what you mean by "outsmarts". Apparently "PJ" never had serious professional success in anything.Apr 10 18:33
13WAAI4PU@FOSSpatents: @jwildeboer I wonder what you mean by "outsmarts". Apparently "PJ" never had serious professional success in anything.Apr 10 18:33
17SAAB7EM@FOSSpatents: @jwildeboer I wonder what you mean by "outsmarts". Apparently "PJ" never had serious professional success in anything.Apr 10 18:33
schestowitzHis whole twitter feed is a flood of this sort of activityApr 10 18:33
schestowitzHm... botfailApr 10 18:33
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schestowitzThey rejoinApr 10 18:34
schestowitzBig messApr 10 18:34
schestowitzhttp://test.orgApr 10 18:35
TechrightsBot-scError processing the URLApr 10 18:35
schestowitzFlorian is morbidly obsessed with Groklaw. http://twitter.com/FOSSpatentsApr 10 18:36
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Florian Mueller (FOSSpatents) on Twitter .::. Size~: 45.19 KBApr 10 18:36
schestowitzThen he chats with Microsoft bloggers: http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/56408439198466049Apr 10 18:40
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @JBrodkin thanks. To me this looks like a remedy package the parties worked out with the regulators.Apr 10 18:40
schestowitzSad...Apr 10 18:40
schestowitzIt's justa  slogApr 10 18:40
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70778850Apr 10 18:40
TechrightsBot-sc@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 10-Apr-11 17:38:23 UTC - Identi.ca: Microsoft Florian to @enderle : LOL you so funny !! *smiles* http://ur1.ca/3todx http://ur1.ca/3tody http://ur1.ca/3toe0Apr 10 18:40
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Twitter / Florian Mueller: @Enderle compared to those ... .::. Size~: 9.85 KBApr 10 18:40
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Twitter / Florian Mueller: @Enderle lol .::. Size~: 9.65 KBApr 10 18:40
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/55889277539713024Apr 10 18:46
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @Gartenberg just need a Bluetooth joystick?Apr 10 18:46
schestowitzThat's a Microsoft TE, @GartenbergApr 10 18:46
FurnaceBoysee?Apr 10 18:54
FurnaceBoyit the fake bravado of thinking they're invincibleApr 10 18:54
FurnaceBoyit's*Apr 10 18:54
FurnaceBoyexactly what rwnj doApr 10 18:54
FurnaceBoyhence the backslappingApr 10 18:54
FurnaceBoythe best summary is... it's not exactly news that 3 of the most hostile guys, Mueller, Enderle, and de Icaza, are in a little circle-jerk.Apr 10 18:55
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: see my latest tweets tooApr 10 19:04
schestowitzThat's where I put stronger evidence, not in private for this channelApr 10 19:04
schestowitzI don't want to feed him *too* much... Groklaw had the same issueApr 10 19:04
schestowitzNow comes the favourite part of the week. Running experiments in desktop 8 and doing dents in #2Apr 10 19:07
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sebsebsebHiApr 10 20:39
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MinceRhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lj89y2mKNN1qbxxtso1_500.jpgApr 10 22:23
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schestowitzThe mobbyists even infect TR with comments now..Apr 10 22:44
schestowitzAnd http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/57148811113537536 http://twitter.com/verofakto/statuses/57155346346672128Apr 10 22:44
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @verofakto http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2428123 then just search for boycott or for techrights :-)Apr 10 22:44
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TechrightsBot-sc@verofakto: @schestowitz Really? I thought good old pete was to "be taken with caution"? http://j.mp/g8R73X #hypocrite /cc @FOSSpatentsApr 10 22:44
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/04/08/cuidad-jaurez-immigration/Apr 10 23:33
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Wonk Room          » Why Are Visa Applicants Forced To Travel To Mexico’s Most Dangerous City? .::. Size~: 59.17 KBApr 10 23:33
MinceR(flash) (video) (audio) http://www.colbertnation.com/full-episodes/wed-april-6-2011-sir-david-tang?fbid=2Dytmxza5bpApr 10 23:34
TechrightsBot-scTitle: April 06, 2011 - Sir David Tang - The Colbert Report - Full Episode Video  | Comedy Central .::. Size~: 43.58 KBApr 10 23:34
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schestowitzMinceR: Colbert's show is not vieable in the UKApr 10 23:44
schestowitzRemedy Central in generalApr 10 23:45
MinceRi can view it without having to use a proxy nowApr 10 23:45
schestowitz*ComedyApr 10 23:45
schestowitzMaybe they reckon the American humour will be misunderstood and offensive :-) :-)Apr 10 23:45
MinceRbut while i needed one, FoxyProxy and http://nntime.com/proxy-country/United-States-01.htm  helpedApr 10 23:45
schestowitzMinceR: approved by Queen ViktorApr 10 23:45
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Fresh Proxy List. United States Proxy. Page 1 .::. Size~: 15.15 KBApr 10 23:45
MinceRschestowitz: he'll send his personal army^W^Wanti-terror center after you for that remark :>Apr 10 23:46
schestowitzWill she?Apr 10 23:48
MinceR:>Apr 10 23:48
schestowitzAre there many blogs against him already? .hu ones?Apr 10 23:48
MinceRyesApr 10 23:48
schestowitzCoolApr 10 23:48
MinceRbut he'll probably require registration for themApr 10 23:48
schestowitzBy trying to shut them down he'll only spur moreApr 10 23:48
schestowitzStreisand EffectApr 10 23:49
MinceRand then they'll have to move their blogs and domains abroad or be attacked (and fined to destitution) by the censorship authorityApr 10 23:49
schestowitzViktoria StreisandApr 10 23:49
schestowitz censorship authority?Apr 10 23:49
schestowitzThey don'\t call it thatApr 10 23:49
schestowitzThey had some fancy euphemismApr 10 23:49
MinceRthey call themselve "National Media and Infocommunications Authority-Hungary"Apr 10 23:50
MinceRs/ve/ves/Apr 10 23:50
MinceRhttp://nmhh.hu/index.php?lang=enApr 10 23:50
TechrightsBot-scTitle: National Media and Infocommunications Authority .::. Size~: 23.83 KBApr 10 23:50
schestowitzYeah, I remembered "national"Apr 10 23:51
schestowitzWhich has a shorthand, tooApr 10 23:51
MinceRi don't know that shorthandApr 10 23:52
MinceRbut the shorthand for "national socialist" (which they are) works fineApr 10 23:52
schestowitzTheir logo looks like teethApr 10 23:52
MinceRyou should have seen the logo of the previous tax authorityApr 10 23:52
MinceRthey've rebranded that tooApr 10 23:52
schestowitzIs there a picture left?Apr 10 23:53
MinceR(hey, these nazis act a lot like m$)Apr 10 23:53
MinceRi'll checkApr 10 23:53
MinceRonce wikipedia arises from comaApr 10 23:53
schestowitzLOLApr 10 23:53
schestowitzholland mirror?Apr 10 23:53
MinceRhttp://replay.waybackmachine.org/20070711201803/http://www.apeh.hu/sites/apeh/images/apeh_cimer.gifApr 10 23:53
TechrightsBot-scNot a web page! Aborting image/gif typeApr 10 23:53
schestowitzjobbik OK, criticism of orban not OKApr 10 23:54
schestowitzLOLOLOLApr 10 23:54
schestowitzAdd the captionApr 10 23:54
schestowitzOrban's Tax Office: We take your seedApr 10 23:54
MinceRwell, it was before orbanApr 10 23:54
schestowitzI know...Apr 10 23:55
MinceRthe current tax authority is called a lot like the commie secret police thoughApr 10 23:55
schestowitzCause he's rather new, IIRCApr 10 23:55
schestowitzOpecApr 10 23:55
MinceR"Nemzeti AVH"Apr 10 23:55
MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Protection_AuthorityApr 10 23:55
TechrightsBot-scTitle: State Protection Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 51.53 KBApr 10 23:55
schestowitzkagabeApr 10 23:56
schestowitzUnder NagyApr 10 23:56
schestowitzSame name as the man who made an omelette on Microsoft's CEOApr 10 23:56

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