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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] #craigslist is truly awesome ♺ @NixiePixel: So this is how Marty McFly did it... http://bit.ly/hIeXrDMar 06 15:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #SCOTUS Rules Phelps and #WBC Can Protest Funerals http://ur1.ca/3emvy #atheist #humanist !lbgt #religionMar 06 16:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Peppermint Ice respin 20110302 out now! Check out this excellent distro! http://tinyurl.com/5ualgld !linux !ubuntu !foss !peppermintMar 06 16:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Dead Nation has an update tomorrow, apparently voice chat and other new features added http://tinyurl.com/5r64rhu !ps3 !psnMar 06 16:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks cables: MI6 warns of new suicide bomb wave | Telegraph http://is.gd/zyyPtj !wlMar 06 16:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Man, that Star Trek episode of #Yogscast is hilarious! Amazing stuff...Mar 06 16:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. I need sleep.... I fear what I'll dream about tonight with all that scriptwriting and #Yogscast though. OoMar 06 16:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: New WikiLeaks book: WIKILEAKS AND THE AGE OF TRANSPARENCY by Micah Sifry http://www.orbooks.com/our-b... http://bit.ly/f4XxNxMar 06 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks cables: MI6 warns of new suicide bomb wave | Telegraph http://is.gd/zyyPtj http://bit.ly/eS4ARgMar 06 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is someone who loves Big Mac's a "Mac fan"?Mar 06 16:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] The New Economy. http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/The_New_Economy Likeable 80's retro. !jamendo !ccmusic #BY-NC-SAMar 06 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya BBC reporter questioned why helicopter landing when they could take a taxi from ship. Now ship was there to collect them #bollocksMar 06 17:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] It's impossible to express in words how unenthusiastic I am about working around this IE7 bug.Mar 06 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Go and give Gordon support/encouragement for his intention to write a novel in a month! http://tinyurl.com/6brnagnMar 06 17:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya all of a sudden shit coverage from BBC does not count for much. Why do people trust them?Mar 06 17:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Listening to "All quiet on the Western front" on Radio 7! - Great stuff!Mar 06 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: The EFF Letter: Sony's subpoenas "impact the free speech interests of myriad third parties" - http://bit.ly/guEerc #eff #sony #DMCAMar 06 17:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Android Just Overtook Apple iOS and BlackBerry http://tinyurl.com/49fpo52 !android - !wp7 !apple !microsoft !mvpbuzz !mvpMar 06 17:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Patches Published For Merging S3TC Library Into Mesa: It's a slightly more interesting Sunday than usual. Beside... http://bit.ly/e4VOE5Mar 06 17:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Hey !fedora folks, our GSoC application is due by Friday! There have to be more awesome ideas to add, no? http://ur1.ca/3ep1oMar 06 18:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Sweet Mother Logic. http://ur1.ca/3ep23 Eclectic, oddly compelling instrumentals. !jamendo !ccmusic #BY-NC-SAMar 06 18:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] oh shiney! I'm adding RSS feeds to the ugliest UI I've ever had to deal with.Mar 06 18:31
DaemonFCschestowitz: I'm going to review Scientific Linux 6 shortly (just because I've been meaning to)Mar 06 18:41
DaemonFCinteresting to note that at the same time as this obfuscated kernel source, various Fedora related projects have started snubbing RHEL clonesMar 06 18:42
DaemonFC(No RPM Fusion for EL 6)Mar 06 18:42
DaemonFCAtRPMs and ELRepo are still aroundMar 06 18:42
DaemonFCa while back, some of the RPM Fusion people were trying to FUD both of them as "breaking" Fedora releasesMar 06 18:43
DaemonFCELRepo has never claimed that adding them to Fedora was a good idea (though they can't stop a person from it) and AtRPMs does replace some Fedora RPMs with its own versions, but always names them such that they won't break distribution upgradesMar 06 18:44
DaemonFCI kind of wonder how long Red Hat/Fedora have been trying to subvert free RHEL clones without coming right out and saying it :)Mar 06 18:44
oiaohmDaemonFC: This obfuscated kernel stunt is not the first time Redhat has done it either.Mar 06 18:46
oiaohmThey did it when mandrake was branching off as well.Mar 06 18:46
DaemonFCfor a while, RPM Fusion for EL 5 was providing kmods for video drivers because of Nvidia and ATI having this annoying habit or replacing libGL.so with their own versions, but the RPMs provided for RHEL have never done thisMar 06 18:46
DaemonFCthe ATI installer package builds an RPM that adds a diversion to their libGL.so without replacing the system packageMar 06 18:47
DaemonFCif you remove the RPM later, your system goes right back to using MESAMar 06 18:47
oiaohmATI has been good that way.Mar 06 18:47
DaemonFCbut if you run it as the generic Linux installer, it will bulldoze your system libraryMar 06 18:48
DaemonFC:)Mar 06 18:48
oiaohmThe Nvidia driver has a hunt down and destroy any other opengl lib it can find.Mar 06 18:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Tired of parents treating me like meatMar 06 18:48
DaemonFCwell, if you do use the generic installer, it's a simple matter of yum reinstall libgl (or whatever that package name was)Mar 06 18:49
DaemonFCit won't break your system, you just won't have 3d until you do thatMar 06 18:49
oiaohmNvidia has a search and destory feature in there installer.  DaemonFCMar 06 18:49
oiaohmATI only has the opps the file was in the same place we wanted to place it.Mar 06 18:49
DaemonFCyeah, last time I used Nvidia's installer it was because I needed a beta driver to use with a kernel I builtMar 06 18:49
DaemonFCand when it came time to remove it later in preference to a distro package, I was sorry :)Mar 06 18:50
oiaohmNvidia also does equal to windows by the way.Mar 06 18:50
DaemonFCit's not just one package it destroys, with Nvidia you have to gut and replace ALL of MesaMar 06 18:50
DaemonFCATI is just an annoyanceMar 06 18:51
oiaohmATI is hamless if you install it right.Mar 06 18:51
DaemonFCNvidia will prevent pretty much everything beyond framebuffer video if you remove it laterMar 06 18:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @telecomix: Blackout on #Libya for dialup against #censorship: +49 231 97844321 (login: telecomix password: telecomix) #fbMar 06 18:51
oiaohmThe generic installer can be told not to overlap with ATI DaemonFCMar 06 18:52
oiaohmAnd then you can alter the ld.so.conf so it works.Mar 06 18:52
oiaohmThen remove ati just falls back like any good install should.Mar 06 18:52
DaemonFCI don't remember what I did to gut Nvidia, but I was close to backing up and formattingMar 06 18:53
DaemonFC:)Mar 06 18:53
DaemonFCI didn't end up having to, but it litters your system with its crap, it's not just limited to Mesa or XMar 06 18:54
DaemonFCNvidia has  the most evil driver in the world (R)Mar 06 18:54
DaemonFCif your distro doesn't provide packages and you don't want to use Nouveau, find one that doesMar 06 18:55
DaemonFCdon't ever use their installerMar 06 18:55
oiaohmLast time I end up running a debian audit script.Mar 06 18:56
oiaohmAny package with missing files reinstall.Mar 06 18:57
oiaohmor files that don't pass checksum.Mar 06 18:57
oiaohmThat are elfMar 06 18:57
oiaohmIts one of my anti root kit scripts.Mar 06 18:57
DaemonFCI kept in mind how ugly Nvidia's driver was when it came time to buy a new cardMar 06 18:58
oiaohmI made the mistake on a system I had installed NvidiaMar 06 18:58
DaemonFCit wasn't the deciding factor, but geezMar 06 18:58
oiaohmof running my anti root kit scriptsMar 06 18:58
oiaohmThat is how I knew it would work.Mar 06 18:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is a batchelor pad for dads, called a Dad Pad? or is that a Thinkpad used by Fathers Lobby Groups?Mar 06 18:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] And here comes the breakdown. #nov4Mar 06 18:58
oiaohmIe Poff by by NvidiaMar 06 18:58
DaemonFCpretty much all of Nvidia's performance I understand comes from working around the X server instead of using itMar 06 18:58
oiaohmNvidia is doing what DRI2 enables.Mar 06 18:59
oiaohmBut DRI2 does it cleanly.Mar 06 18:59
DaemonFCX.org is probably more mismanaged now than ever, not like Nvidia needs to look hard to use them as an excuseMar 06 18:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Anyone who uses a vocoder straight to ICC Life sentence listening to singers using a vocoder. #justiceMar 06 19:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is it my imagination or just the circle of people I follow? there's a large proportion of Canadians using Identi.ca \o/ clued up countriesMar 06 19:00
oiaohmX,org has been trying to delete old DRI1 hacks for ever.Mar 06 19:00
oiaohmProblem is delete them Nvidia drivers die.Mar 06 19:00
DaemonFCthey're becoming what they criticized XFree86 of beingMar 06 19:00
DaemonFCthis big monolithic mess with varying degrees of quality and overlapping drivers, so on so forthMar 06 19:00
oiaohmReally X.org is not DaemonFCMar 06 19:00
oiaohmThe X.org code base has reduced in size.Mar 06 19:01
oiaohmLot of the overlapping drivers started before x.org  DaemonFCMar 06 19:01
oiaohmDri1 was a major design stuff up done by Xfree86  DaemonFCMar 06 19:02
oiaohmDRI1 was built with the logic that a person would Only need 1 opengl application at a time.Mar 06 19:02
oiaohmNow how do you fix something like that.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:03
DaemonFCwell, obviously you can'tMar 06 19:03
oiaohmOnly way is basically rebuild everything.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:03
oiaohmDRI2Mar 06 19:03
DaemonFCI agree with what Wayland is doing in principleMar 06 19:04
DaemonFCbut in fact, I'm skeptical they'll get everyone onboardMar 06 19:04
oiaohmEverything has to be rebuilt for DRI2.  And in the processor Wayland got invented.Mar 06 19:04
oiaohmWayland and X.org are sharing many parts.Mar 06 19:04
oiaohmIncluding keyboard input;Mar 06 19:04
DaemonFCyeah, well right now you have ATI using DRI 1, and Nvidia using a combination of DRI 1 and their own extensions held together with chewing gumMar 06 19:05
oiaohmReally the lead of X.org is onboard with Wayland.Mar 06 19:05
DaemonFCthat's why only the free drivers work with Wayland, or KMS, or.....Mar 06 19:05
oiaohmATI is trying to do away with there closed source drivers.Mar 06 19:05
oiaohmSo ATI will get kinda fixed at some point.Mar 06 19:06
oiaohmThe long term plan from ATI is quite complex.Mar 06 19:06
oiaohmIe open source drivers get so far then they will release binary libs todo the patent covered bit.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:06
oiaohmYes insane one of the last moves is merge the streams.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:07
oiaohmNvidia its getting harder and harder each release of X.org for them to remain Dri1Mar 06 19:07
oiaohmAnd Nvidia does not want to have to release KMS to kernel.Mar 06 19:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Naming of Fedora 16 underway - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16 #fbMar 06 19:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Goregaon West !Mar 06 19:08
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DaemonFCso basically you're seeing ATI support the freee driver framework for the same reason Fluendo supports GStreamerMar 06 19:08
DaemonFCthey hope to sell you binaries to plug into the "free" framework later onMar 06 19:09
DaemonFCotherwise it could be unusable Mar 06 19:09
oiaohmDaemonFC: Not sell AMD will want to sell the cards to you.Mar 06 19:09
DaemonFCyou know what I meanMar 06 19:09
oiaohmDaemonFC: they don't want you to be feature behind due to patents.Mar 06 19:09
DaemonFCyou still need them even though there will be some baseline functionality without itMar 06 19:09
oiaohmDaemonFC: Now of course if AMD can get the right patent agreements or implement the patent coverd parts in hardware.Mar 06 19:10
oiaohmSo that out the box it works AMD will.Mar 06 19:10
DaemonFChere, please build this nifty new framework to support our nonfree pluginsMar 06 19:10
DaemonFCyou've saved us so much money on programmer salary, thanks so much!Mar 06 19:10
oiaohmProblem is not all the old card were doing all the opengl features  that are patent covered in hardware.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:11
oiaohmAMD is basically going to work around a problem kindly.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:11
oiaohmNvidia from leaks appears to be working on a completely new driver for Linux in house.Mar 06 19:12
oiaohmGstreamer was designed to allow closed source plugins in.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:13
oiaohmDaemonFC: Note AMD is also talking to a lot of patent holder of opengl stuff about letting open source.Mar 06 19:14
DaemonFCDear Patent Troll, please find it in your heart of hearts to give up this racketeering scheme that our milk cow of 1,000 tits, known also as the patent system, has enabled you to sit back and make money on without the process of actually making, anything. Your friends, AMDMar 06 19:17
oiaohmDaemonFC: do you think AMD is talk nice.Mar 06 19:18
oiaohmDear Patent Troll  Please consider being nice to open source or we will have to start researching other ways to implement the functionality.    So one day we will pay you nothing.Mar 06 19:19
oiaohmAnd Patnet Troll most likely will listern because AMD has done that before.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:20
oiaohmAMD really does not care about paying patents as long as it does not interfere with what they want todo. DaemonFCMar 06 19:21
DaemonFCDear AMD, call us when you figure out how to get every game made that uses S3TC to work without any S3TC support in the driver. BTW, thanks for paying us royalties on your use of it in Catalyst, those checks are nice. If you can think of anything else that we may own a government sanctioned monopoly on that you would like to pay us for and transfer more costs onto your customers over, have your people call our people. Toodles!Mar 06 19:21
oiaohmThat would be a bad responce.Mar 06 19:22
DaemonFCWhat's ridiculous is how this bullshit can end up making it into a standard like OpenGLMar 06 19:22
oiaohmBecause AMD hardware implemenation S3TC is covered by AMD patent.Mar 06 19:23
oiaohmSo they don't have to pay for that one.Mar 06 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] let's see if I can get anything done tonight or if I'm just going to fail again. #nov4Mar 06 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter I read somewhere that being owned by non Canadians can be legal reason for seizure, I don't wanna build a brand then lose itMar 06 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter how brainwashed I was/am thought .ca was CaliforniaMar 06 19:23
DaemonFCan industry standard is almost always packed full of patents like a thanksgiving turkeyMar 06 19:23
oiaohmAMD can in theory shot down S3TCMar 06 19:24
DaemonFCthey tend to use things like the Khronos Group as a circle jerkMar 06 19:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] all #lmde needs to be the perfect laptop / netbook distro is the option to encrypt /home in the installer !linux !linuxmintMar 06 19:25
DaemonFCwell, the problem is that you can't call something an open standards and then tell everyone that wants to implement it where to send the checksMar 06 19:25
oiaohmRecent years getting patented features into Khronos Group has been getting harder.Mar 06 19:25
oiaohmAny ideas why.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:26
oiaohmAll the video card makers have worked out the patent agreements are more of a pain in the ass than profit making.Mar 06 19:26
DaemonFCwell, why isn't anyone scared about the Direct3D state tracker? There's an entire API full of god knows what that is maintained by MicrosoftMar 06 19:26
DaemonFCand we're worried about one texture compression algorithm in OpenGL?Mar 06 19:26
oiaohmMicrosoft patent threatens Video card makers by the way.Mar 06 19:27
oiaohmit kinda woke them up.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:27
oiaohmTo how stupid they were being.Mar 06 19:27
DaemonFCThat D3D state tracker is more worrying than Mono, just watch what happens when you have Linux programs that need DirectX and Microsoft launches a lawsuitMar 06 19:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter Part of Mexico :-)Mar 06 19:28
oiaohmProblem MS is limited.Mar 06 19:28
oiaohmMost of the features of the state tracker are exposed by the video card makers.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:29
DaemonFCS3TC is just about one washed up patent troll that nobody cares about anymore, and it brings the OpenGL state tracker work to a haltMar 06 19:29
oiaohmNo S3TC did not bring work to a halt.Mar 06 19:30
oiaohmFloating point textures has.   DaemonFCMar 06 19:30
oiaohm2 patents of hell.Mar 06 19:30
DaemonFCthey're debating whether to make Mesa the new LAMEMar 06 19:31
DaemonFCjsut ship it as source code and let the distro or user worry about itMar 06 19:31
oiaohmThe Floating point textures one is worse because you need that functionally to match fully base spec of opengl 2.0 and is required in opengl 3.0 and 4.0Mar 06 19:31
oiaohmS3TC is not a required part of the spec.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:32
DaemonFCDear user, OpenGL isn't all that open, so will you please compile it yourself or get it from a server in the Russian Federation? Thanks.Mar 06 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter within a few lifetimes yes mostlyMar 06 19:33
oiaohmDaemonFC: Interesting thing here.Mar 06 19:34
oiaohmATI implement the extention for floating point texturesMar 06 19:34
oiaohmusing a patent they did not own.Mar 06 19:34
oiaohmThank you ATI for having incompetent Patent tracking.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter I am sorry I do not understandMar 06 19:36
oiaohmDaemonFC: Really Khronos group has been a lot better since AMD bought ATI out.Mar 06 19:38
DaemonFCATI was a jokeMar 06 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter I do not know what a tv chow is.Mar 06 19:38
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DaemonFC"ATI Premium Graphics" Oh, is THAT why your driver segfaults if I turn Compiz on? Awesome.Mar 06 19:39
DaemonFCTheir driver has always been a pain in the ass, it's just been less of one every month since AMD bought them.Mar 06 19:40
oiaohmATI is improving.Mar 06 19:40
oiaohmGetting to the point AMD will start using there own branding.Mar 06 19:41
oiaohmand the ATI brand will be allowed die.Mar 06 19:41
DaemonFCI got the idea to move over to Enterprise Linux because AMD officially supports itMar 06 19:41
DaemonFCthat's not always the case with other distros, it's more like good luck installing it, oh it has bugs, greatMar 06 19:41
oiaohmMeego will also be offically supported by AMD.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:42
oiaohmThere is about 8 distributions Offically supported.Mar 06 19:43
DaemonFCyeah, Ubuntu is supposedly one of themMar 06 19:43
oiaohmcorrection offically supported with developers.Mar 06 19:43
DaemonFCbut to get that support, you have to use Ubuntu :)Mar 06 19:43
oiaohmUbuntu is offically supported for packaging.Mar 06 19:43
oiaohmNot for real coding.Mar 06 19:43
DaemonFCWhat is the RHEL upgrade policy  like?Mar 06 19:44
DaemonFClike for random packagesMar 06 19:44
DaemonFCwill you get a new Firefox and Pidgin or what?Mar 06 19:44
DaemonFClike in point upgradesMar 06 19:44
oiaohmI normally don't use Redhat as a desktop.Mar 06 19:45
DaemonFCI notice Pidgin has their own repo that is up to date for ELMar 06 19:45
DaemonFCthere's Red Hat Enterprise Linux ISOs that make their way to bittorrent sitesMar 06 19:46
DaemonFCwhich is just dumbMar 06 19:46
oiaohmScientific Linux 6  they have money.Mar 06 19:46
DaemonFCthere's free clones and you can get updates with thoseMar 06 19:46
DaemonFCunless you have a Red Hat Network subscription, you can't even get security updates for RHELMar 06 19:46
oiaohmYou can if you connect and basically turn it into fedora.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:47
DaemonFC?Mar 06 19:47
oiaohmRed Hat Enterpise contains a downgrade option.Mar 06 19:47
DaemonFCRHN is the update mechanism right?Mar 06 19:47
oiaohmConnect to Fedora reposMar 06 19:48
oiaohmAnd magically it ends up fedora.Mar 06 19:48
DaemonFCbut that's the problemMar 06 19:48
DaemonFCif you use RHEL, you don't want FedoraMar 06 19:48
DaemonFCFedora is new and bug proneMar 06 19:48
oiaohmExactly.Mar 06 19:48
oiaohmWhy you have to pay for updates Mar 06 19:49
oiaohmRedhat has the best protection against pirates.Mar 06 19:49
DaemonFCright, they backport a decent amount of stuff into ELMar 06 19:49
oiaohmThey can pirate as much as they like but its worthless withou the update server.Mar 06 19:49
oiaohmEL is Cern.Mar 06 19:49
oiaohmCern has been working with Redhat for a long time.Mar 06 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter I was coming around to that but thought it was my cultural ignorance, tell me the jokeMar 06 19:50
DaemonFCRHEL 5 may say Linux 2.6.18, but it has a significant amount of bug fixes and new drivers, features, etc. from newer kernelsMar 06 19:50
oiaohmIntesting other way over.Mar 06 19:51
DaemonFCa Red Hat engineer said at one point that "there is a stable ABI for Linux, it's called RHEL, it lasts 10 years, and everyone should use it"Mar 06 19:51
DaemonFC:)Mar 06 19:51
oiaohmRHEL developed a lot of those patches before they went upstream.Mar 06 19:51
DaemonFCof course using the actual RHEL as a desktop is priceyMar 06 19:52
DaemonFC$86 a year per seatMar 06 19:52
oiaohmAnd Cern was not having a bar of that.  DaemonFCMar 06 19:52
DaemonFCright, that adds up fastMar 06 19:52
DaemonFCand if you want it as a server.....Mar 06 19:52
oiaohmSo leading to the existance of Scientific Linux Mar 06 19:52
DaemonFC:)Mar 06 19:52
oiaohmBut Redhat understood this.Mar 06 19:53
oiaohmSo they both share code with each other.Mar 06 19:53
DaemonFCyeah, well, SL is not a threat to Red HatMar 06 19:53
DaemonFCRed Hat is selling supportMar 06 19:53
DaemonFCnot softwareMar 06 19:53
oiaohmExactly.Mar 06 19:53
DaemonFCCentOS or SL is where you go if you wouldn't be paying Red Hat anywayMar 06 19:53
DaemonFCso why bother trying to muscle them out of existence?Mar 06 19:54
oiaohmMain reason to go redhat is the support.Mar 06 19:54
DaemonFCI'm going to be trying to set up SL 6  as a desktopMar 06 19:54
oiaohmThere support contracts are good.Mar 06 19:55
DaemonFCit'll be fun even if I don't manage to get results :)Mar 06 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] China deputizes smart phones to spy on Beijing residents’ real-time location. https://eff.org/r.5zw #privacyMar 06 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Looks like the latter for now. #nov4Mar 06 19:55
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DaemonFCyeah, my dad says that you only ever see RHEL or Suse, but it's RHEL 3:1 from what he's seenMar 06 19:56
DaemonFCsays he's never seen a customer using Ubuntu :)Mar 06 19:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter I watched a programme about how USA citizens see Canada you are unreconstructed European socialists :-)Mar 06 19:56
DaemonFCCanonical has already demonstrated that they can't stand behind UbuntuMar 06 19:56
DaemonFCso it goes to reason, "Why pay them to?"Mar 06 19:57
DaemonFCI've seen people get good results from deploying Ubuntu Server in a low workload capacityMar 06 19:58
DaemonFCbut I've never seen super computing projects using itMar 06 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] BBC says the crazy Gaddafi dupes can't see the sense in giving in to the government opposition, mad or what?Mar 06 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @askmeaks A 13 Line #Patch That Boosts #Intel Sandy Bridge Performance http://bit.ly/dQjJg9 #Driver #Linux #MESA #fbMar 06 20:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @askmeaks Back up #Email with a Single #Command http://bit.ly/e5hz82 #IMAPGrab #Email #OpenSource #Python #Script #fbMar 06 20:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] satipera BBC says the crazy Gaddafi dupes can't see the sense in not giving in to the government opposition, mad or what?Mar 06 20:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Forget Saudi Arabia forget Bahrain concentrate on #Libya #westernhypocracy #hyperMar 06 20:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] stumbled across a glorious dark #GTK theme http://tighturl.com/2zm8Mar 06 20:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @StoryADayMay: RT @TheWritersDen: You fail only if you stop writing. ~ Ray Bradbury #WriterBloodMar 06 20:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter No it is not we all doMar 06 20:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The west does not give a wet shite about democracy, perhaps it is better to join in with the Arab uprising.Mar 06 20:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] She nodded back. “So you might also merit the Goddess’ protection. #amwritingMar 06 20:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Obama Rescinds Dangerous Bush-Era "Conscience Regulation" http://ur1.ca/3er15 #abortion #healthcare #PlannedParenthood #religionMar 06 20:56
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/66290348Mar 06 21:06
TechrightsBot-tr@Wayne Borean (themadhatter)'s status on Sunday, 06-Mar-11 23:36:48 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Actually Meego and WebOS needed to get going on tablets last year. Read today's 4k opus...Mar 06 21:06
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/66290417Mar 06 21:06
TechrightsBot-tr@Wayne Borean (themadhatter)'s status on Sunday, 06-Mar-11 23:38:34 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Quoted Mary Jo a lot, sice she's the Microsoft expert. Conclusion, WIndows for ARM has been in the works since summer 2009.Mar 06 21:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] lazyweb: who owns or runs condosingapore.com? #fbMar 06 21:06
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/66300725Mar 06 21:07
TechrightsBot-tr@Partimus (partimus)'s status on Monday, 07-Mar-11 03:04:57 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz would you pls follow us here & on Twitter? This is @einfeldt posting about FOSS in schoolsMar 06 21:07
schestowitzOh, nice!Mar 06 21:07
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/66300807Mar 06 21:08
TechrightsBot-tr@Partimus (partimus)'s status on Monday, 07-Mar-11 03:05:37 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz would you also consider doing a blog about our work putting computers in public schools? Thx either way Partimus.orgMar 06 21:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dredeyedick/status/44552739207909376Mar 06 21:09
TechrightsBot-tr@dredeyedick: @schestowitz Al Jazeera - English, Russia Today, BBC4, @FrontlineClub more, free, download http://livestation.com desktop app. #newsMar 06 21:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "By using Free Open Source Software and repurposed hardware, we aim to do our part to help bridge the digital divide." http://partimus.org/Mar 06 21:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Show notes for the new !techbytes episode are now out http://ur1.ca/3erddMar 06 21:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] LFS 6.8 Release http://ur1.ca/3erdz #linux from scratch that is.. great stuff!Mar 06 21:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Pastebin #Plasma widget http://ur1.ca/3erep very handy! #kde desktop is fantastic, give it a try,Mar 06 21:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Slur “Open Core”: Toward More Diligent Analysis http://ur1.ca/3eriw #opencore is hardcore marketing, not valueMar 06 21:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 5 Things OS X Does Better than #Linux http://ur1.ca/3erna someone can respond with 50 things #gnu Linux does better than #MacOSuXMar 06 21:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] First Post: Tiny Core 3.5 http://ur1.ca/3ero2 I was gonna install that, it quickly gains statusMar 06 21:40
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oiaohmschestowitz: on the 5 things OS X does better.   Really we should not fight them that much.   A lot should be taken as goals to achive.Mar 06 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mr. @jonobacon helps openwash #Facebook http://ur1.ca/3eh0z what about b0ng, silver lie, OOXML, #swpats aggression? Open...to interpretationMar 06 21:41
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oiaohmschestowitz: systemd coming to Linux is based on Apple service management because it was better.Mar 06 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @sunshineejc #LIBYA IS BURNING!~IS ANYONE WATCHING?: ~ 1000+ protesters killed from helicopters & roof top snipers. #jan25 #feb17 #P2Mar 06 21:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3 ...Mexican history - #Nahua civlisation is 12,000 yrs old!! - with a segue into the crazy intertwined fates of Brazil & PortugalMar 06 21:43
schestowitzoiaohm: I did not know that...Mar 06 21:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @einfeldt: RT @wwwuse: How will Microsoft lose a majority market share? Outlook from an investment site http://t.co/GV3BzuAMar 06 21:45
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gnufreexgood morningMar 06 22:14
gnufreex:-)Mar 06 22:14
oiaohmGood afternoon.  gnufreexMar 06 22:16
gnufreexLol. Ms troll claims he's an RHCE and fails hard: http://forums.channelregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/03/04/red_hat_twarts_oracle_and_novell_with_change_to_source_code_packaging/#c_1003372 Mar 06 22:16
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gnufreexI almost sprayed coffee all over the keyboard Mar 06 22:18
gnufreexSo funnyMar 06 22:18
oiaohmAnd this is not the first time Redhat has done this.Mar 06 22:18
oiaohmIn the time of the Mandrake Redhat split.  gnufreexMar 06 22:18
oiaohmyes it did ruin Mandrake stablish kernel back then.Mar 06 22:18
oiaohmIe Redhat has just reverted.Mar 06 22:19
gnufreexYou mean, when Bruce Perens complained that RH kernel is too different?Mar 06 22:20
oiaohmIf you are thinking 1996 we are on the same wave lengh.Mar 06 22:22
gnufreexHmm.. no.Mar 06 22:22
gnufreexThis is 2001Mar 06 22:22
oiaohmBruce Perens complained a few times.Mar 06 22:22
gnufreexor soMar 06 22:22
oiaohmFirst complain from him was at the start of the mandrake/redhat split.Mar 06 22:23
gnufreexI touched GNU/Linux first time about thenMar 06 22:23
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gnufreexWhat RH did here is smartMar 06 22:23
gnufreexOnly problem is that Debian could have little problems.Mar 06 22:24
oiaohmIts legal.Mar 06 22:24
gnufreexWith tracking patches.Mar 06 22:24
gnufreexOff course is legalMar 06 22:24
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oiaohmReally is not a big problem either.Mar 06 22:24
gnufreexBut I don't get why people complain that muchMar 06 22:25
gnufreexIt is not problem at allMar 06 22:25
gnufreexEthically they are fine tooMar 06 22:25
gnufreexAnd they are not lying about anything, Brian Stevens admited everything.Mar 06 22:26
gnufreexSome claim they clash with spirit of GPLMar 06 22:27
gnufreexBut I don't see how.Mar 06 22:27
gnufreexIf they didn't do before, this move doesn't bring them against spirit of GPL.Mar 06 22:28
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MinceRwell, the patches would be the preferred form to make modificiations, would they not?Mar 06 22:34
oiaohmhttp://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=119  This is rare a case alteration that makes me kinda want.Mar 06 22:35
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oiaohmMinceR: Patches would be preferable.  But it also means snooping at other peoples homework as wellMar 06 22:46
oiaohmMinceR: Maybe a source compare and patch solver might be invented.Mar 06 22:47
oiaohmMinceR: to make deal with embed device dumps simpler.Mar 06 22:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @rkallensee RT @evan: Ooh. https://github.com/eschnou/node-ostatus #nodejs #ostatus #fsw #looksawesomeMar 06 23:03
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gnufreexgoogle can remove stuff from people's phones? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/07/google_remotely_kills_android_malware_apps/Mar 06 23:27
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MinceRyes they canMar 06 23:28
MinceRit's in the android market agreementMar 06 23:29
gnufreexi am glad I didn't buy Android phone.Mar 06 23:29
MinceRthough not many details were published, so it's possible that they could technically remove anythingMar 06 23:29
MinceRi'm glad too, except i bought a symbian phone and that isn't good eitherMar 06 23:29
MinceRi wonder if one can disable the killswitch after rooting...Mar 06 23:29
gnufreexI still have a dumbphoneMar 06 23:30
gnufreexfrom NokiaMar 06 23:30
gnufreexSome odd numberMar 06 23:30
gnufreexforgot whatMar 06 23:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Hitting the B$A will clue bats continues to be a lost cause - http://ur1.ca/3d6g6 #fbMar 06 23:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I did not make my goal (uploading final ms) but new scenes are done. (more work than I thought), putting me a day behind schedule. :(Mar 06 23:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Good morning @kevie and good night !identiverseMar 06 23:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Now using mutt as an email client, liking it so far. !linuxMar 06 23:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Now its time to setup a .screenrc file.Mar 06 23:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/44645021160448000Mar 06 23:59
TechrightsBot-tr@jonobacon: @schestowitz: I have literally no idea what your last tweet actually means. English? :-)Mar 06 23:59
schestowitz The point was, Facebook is *very* proprietary (and being partly owned by Microsoft it promotes Microsoft wares) but wants "open" imageMar 07 00:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/44639295063068672Mar 07 00:00
TechrightsBot-tr@bgiltrap: @schestowitz: "...Windows has 75% PC market share..." that's an interesting figure lower than usually quoted do you know the source?Mar 07 00:00
schestowitzI wondered the same thing....Mar 07 00:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3: #WikiLeaks: US pressured 'allies' to ignore, not prosecute US kidnappings, #torture programmes http://t.co/OuquJXlMar 07 00:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Forget Gaddafi. Blair's new best friend is a despot guilty of even bloodier slaughter - http://bit.ly/gwDPYx Daily Mail, but still.. #blairMar 07 00:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Facebook and open source: 'we've come a long way' - http://bit.ly/hgvb4Q useful reminder that #Facebook depends on #opensourceMar 07 00:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "Breeding rabbits is a hare raising experience." - Slashdot MOTD !qMar 07 00:10
oiaohmschestowitz: 75 percent I have seen as a quoted number when all x86 hardare total is counted.Mar 07 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The EFF Letter: Sony's subpoenas "impact the free speech interests of myriad third parties" - http://bit.ly/dEgl5f and how #sony #freespeechMar 07 00:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New #DNA rules will restore public trust - http://bit.ly/fr3nPN sad to see Labour pushing its tired authoritarian #FUD hereMar 07 00:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Share a YouTube Video? Go to Jail - http://bit.ly/i6vWu1 petition about Bryan McCarthy & ICE overreach #linkingMar 07 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Costs of #DNA #Sequencing Falling Fast – Look At These Graphs! - http://bit.ly/hwJAPW people are not ready for the implications of thisMar 07 00:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] FUCK OFF LINKEDIN.Mar 07 00:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] "Chain of Fools: Upgrading through every version of windows" lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 #fbMar 07 00:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @graziano #Google flips #Android kill switch, destroys a batch of malicious apps: http://ur1.ca/3eu0mMar 07 00:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @alextootchie: Video - QWassr for NOKIA N900 - A Quick Demo of My Favorite Twitter client http://t.co/Lkj1Dzw @qwassrMar 07 00:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Forbes Estimates M$ Down to 75% Share of PCs http://ur1.ca/3eu8f #gnu #linux #mac #apple #windowsMar 07 00:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #RedHat corporate timeline http://ur1.ca/3eu9j Red Hat acquired AOL's Netscape server software for about $25 million in cash in September"Mar 07 00:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: PadOrbiter v2: Joggler Orbiter built atop MeeGo http://youtu.be/ZRKkqxWcytI?a via @tschakMar 07 00:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Denver Museum promotes #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/3eu9p 'in this case it just said “Linux”.' #mozilla #advocacyMar 07 00:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #FreeBSD needs fresh Blood! http://ur1.ca/3eubl cute devil *needs* "fresh blood" #bsd #freedomMar 07 01:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Open Source Software has been a huge blessing to the software community and businesses in general." http://ur1.ca/3eucl #pakistan #freedomMar 07 01:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☆ Crowdsourced is not Open Source: I’ve heard quite a few conversations that treat open source interchangeably w... http://wmk.me/dKwc3yMar 07 01:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google frags fragmentation with Fragments API for older Android versions http://ur1.ca/3es44 fragme^H^H^H^Hversity #android #linux #choiceMar 07 01:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Review of#Motorola #Xoom http://ur1.ca/3eue2 "Don't jump for the Xoom just because it's the first—they rushed it out prematurely" #linuxMar 07 01:06
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MinceRgeekingsMar 07 01:11
gnufreexgeeking Mar 07 01:11
gnufreexsMar 07 01:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Firefox 4 RC two days away. Final date unknown, still.Mar 07 01:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @ovidius: @carlopiana Maybe someone can explain me why having to assign Google the right to remote kill apps does not violate the GPL #GQ!Mar 07 01:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/44686079386857472Mar 07 01:18
TechrightsBot-tr@bgiltrap: @schestowitz: Now we need those Corp's & individuals to admit that it's not just Windows & Mac but that this Linux thing actually exists!Mar 07 01:18
schestowitzIndeedMar 07 01:18
oiaohmBoy people don't get it.Mar 07 01:18
oiaohmFirst generations of a device are always suxMar 07 01:18
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_Market_ShareMar 07 01:19
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schestowitzoiaohm: yesMar 07 01:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why a Xoom? http://ur1.ca/3euk2 not as negative as Fox Technica #xoom #motorola #linux #android #tablet #formfactorMar 07 01:20
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schestowitzhttp://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=is_it_time_to_reboot_or_replace_wikipedi&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1Mar 07 01:20
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schestowitzIt's not *that* bad, is it?Mar 07 01:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Mark Shuttleworth: Next after #Natty? The #Oneiric Ocelot! http://goo.gl/O0r4PMar 07 01:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Google frags fragmentation with Fragments API for older !Android versions http://goo.gl/SaKgKMar 07 01:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] No More Compiz Desktop Cube Plugin In Unity [Ubuntu 11.04] http://bit.ly/gb9oHVMar 07 01:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica Feature: Ars reviews the Motorola Xoom !android tablet http://goo.gl/2n6IBMar 07 01:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @mgeist Clement: Access to the Internet "fast becoming" crucial part of social and economic fabric of the country. #UBBMar 07 01:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: No More Compiz Desktop Cube Plugin In !Unity http://goo.gl/lY4zO !Ubuntu #NattyMar 07 01:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Vincent Untz: Google Summer of Code 2011 for !GNOME & openSUSE http://goo.gl/6jgZvMar 07 01:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] let's see if I can turn this #nov4 aroundMar 07 01:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 Launch Party in Prague http://goo.gl/5nmq7Mar 07 01:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu on CR-48! Windows 7 Launcher on Android, and Copyright Infringement Sucks [3/6/11 Vlog] http://ur1.ca/3eut4 #chromeosMar 07 01:36
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gnufreexOf course, Xoom has NVIDIA GPU so no Free drivers.Mar 07 01:40
gnufreexMotorola sucks badly.Mar 07 01:40
gnufreexThey could use FreescaleMar 07 01:40
gnufreexBut they don't have gpuMar 07 01:40
gnufreexPowerVR also do't have free driversMar 07 01:41
Diablo-D3gnufreex: btwMar 07 01:44
Diablo-D3its not really right to call it an nvidia gpuMar 07 01:44
Diablo-D3nvidia bought those arm gpus through buying a companyMar 07 01:44
gnufreexIt has GPU on SoCMar 07 01:44
Diablo-D3they're not related to actual geforces at allMar 07 01:44
gnufreexoh thatrMar 07 01:44
Diablo-D3I mean, geforces are pretty shitty, but these are worseMar 07 01:44
Diablo-D3they're really inferior to powervrs Mar 07 01:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Ubuntu 11.10 Codename Announced: #Oneiric Ocelot http://goo.gl/pcWcLMar 07 01:45
Diablo-D3I dont know why anyone is building on the tegra platformMar 07 01:45
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Diablo-D3its a pile of shit all aroundMar 07 01:45
gnufreexI thought it had couple of GF shadersMar 07 01:45
gnufreexBut it seems you'r rightMar 07 01:45
Diablo-D3not quiteMar 07 01:45
Diablo-D3they're kind of backro-genering their own shitMar 07 01:45
Diablo-D3to make it suck lessMar 07 01:45
Diablo-D3they'd be better off making an ultra-ulv geforceMar 07 01:46
gnufreexBut still, no free driver?Mar 07 01:46
Diablo-D3well, you wont see a free driver outside of powervrMar 07 01:46
Diablo-D3and google is trying to make a big push though the mesa community for a free powervr driverMar 07 01:46
gnufreexThere is free driver in the works for Qualcom snapdragonMar 07 01:46
Diablo-D3and by "big push" I mean shouting through a megaphone until they get itMar 07 01:47
gnufreexThat uses some GPU that starts with AMar 07 01:47
Diablo-D3gnufreex: yeah but fuck snapdragonsMar 07 01:47
gnufreexAdrenoMar 07 01:47
gnufreexThat's name of GPUMar 07 01:47
Diablo-D3I hate AdrenosMar 07 01:47
gnufreexThey bought that from AMDMar 07 01:47
Diablo-D3yeah, but amd bought it from someone elseMar 07 01:48
Diablo-D3well, ati didMar 07 01:48
gnufreexI don't know much about embeded GPUs..Mar 07 01:48
gnufreexIs there any more companies?Mar 07 01:48
Diablo-D3ati bought somebody, it became the ati imageon, then amd bought ati, then amd sold it to qualcommMar 07 01:48
gnufreexI know just about thoseMar 07 01:48
Diablo-D3the same way the goforce is absolutely not related to geforces, the imageon isnt a radeonMar 07 01:49
gnufreexMatrox could make embeded GPU, they fall behind on everytging, you would think they can use smallest manufacturing process posible and it would fit in cell phone :-)Mar 07 01:50
Diablo-D3hehMar 07 01:50
Diablo-D3wellMar 07 01:50
gnufreexIt is crappyMar 07 01:50
Diablo-D3fusion is probably going to destroy that entire marketMar 07 01:50
gnufreexSo it fitsMar 07 01:51
Diablo-D3and no, you're just describing the powervr evolutionMar 07 01:51
gnufreexFusion is x86Mar 07 01:51
gnufreexsucksMar 07 01:51
Diablo-D3fusion is quasi-x86Mar 07 01:51
MinceRwhat, fusion will ship with drivers that work? :>Mar 07 01:51
gnufreexhow do you mean quasiMar 07 01:51
Diablo-D3MinceR: erm, it had working drivers before fusion existedMar 07 01:52
Diablo-D3MinceR: fusion uses almost normal 5xxx coresMar 07 01:52
gnufreexit is full x86Mar 07 01:52
Diablo-D3gnufreex: AMD is extremely good at making a fast small x86 decoderMar 07 01:52
MinceRgnufreex: he hates x86 and is an amd fan, so it can't be x86, obviously :>Mar 07 01:52
Diablo-D3gnufreex: and they may end up just making the K10 RISC language accessable in future versionsMar 07 01:52
Diablo-D3its already accessable in some products, just not consumer onesMar 07 01:53
Diablo-D3gnufreex: and ARM is kind of shit nowMar 07 01:53
gnufreexDiablo-D3 dream onMar 07 01:53
Diablo-D3I dont like how it evolvedMar 07 01:53
Diablo-D3dream on what? Mar 07 01:53
MinceRnobody cares what you like :>Mar 07 01:53
Diablo-D3you do realize K7, K8, and K10 are all RISC cores, right?Mar 07 01:53
gnufreexThey will not make RISC acessibleMar 07 01:53
Diablo-D3they already _did_ make it accessibleMar 07 01:53
Diablo-D3the boat sailed on that.Mar 07 01:53
gnufreexDiablo-D3 I know it is RISC coreMar 07 01:53
gnufreexBut it is not fullMar 07 01:53
gnufreexit is very crappy RISC coreMar 07 01:54
gnufreexmutated and allMar 07 01:54
Diablo-D3its not crappy at all]Mar 07 01:54
gnufreexIt is not real RISC.Mar 07 01:54
Diablo-D3no, its even realer RISC than ARM isMar 07 01:54
Diablo-D3the only instructions that exist are for hardware featuresMar 07 01:54
gnufreexIt is like when you bread elephant and a snakeMar 07 01:54
Diablo-D3if the hardware does not explicitly do it, theres no op for itMar 07 01:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 7/3/2011: Forbes Says Microsoft’s Market Share is Down to 75%, Linux 2.6.38 is Coming, Xoom Reviews Out http://ur1.ca/3ev0vMar 07 01:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Forbes Says Microsoft’s Market Share is Down to 75%, Linux 2.6.38 is Coming, Xoom Reviews Out http://ur1.ca/3ev0v !techrightsMar 07 01:55
Diablo-D3the x86 decoder is part of the instruction scheduler frontend, its not part of the core.Mar 07 01:55
gnufreexSo, how many registers core really has?Mar 07 01:55
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Diablo-D3well, earlier K8s have something like 40Mar 07 01:56
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Diablo-D3K10s have upped itMar 07 01:56
MinceRafaik RISC is supposed to have simpler instruction scheduling than thatMar 07 01:56
Diablo-D3MinceR: simple is the wrong wordMar 07 01:56
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gnufreexx86 can only see 16 registers in long mode (x86-64)Mar 07 01:56
gnufreexand 8 in 32-bit modeMar 07 01:56
Diablo-D3gnufreex: it can see 16 normal registers, sureMar 07 01:56
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*schestowitz gives channel operator status to tessier_Mar 07 01:56
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Diablo-D3but you forgot SSE2 registersMar 07 01:57
gnufreexscrew SSEMar 07 01:57
Diablo-D3...Mar 07 01:57
Diablo-D3you fail at CPU design forever.Mar 07 01:57
Diablo-D3anyhow, all the registers seen from the x86 side are all virtualizedMar 07 01:57
gnufreexSSE should not be in coreMar 07 01:57
gnufreexThat is x86 brainfuckMar 07 01:57
Diablo-D3they're just instructionsMar 07 01:57
gnufreexNEON if off coreMar 07 01:57
gnufreexVIS is off coreMar 07 01:57
gnufreexaltiVec is off coreMar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3AMD does not have a core for SSEMar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3its just instructions.Mar 07 01:58
gnufreexThat is what I am sayingMar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3they didnt do the Intel brainfuck by dedicating a whole ALU subsystem for itMar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3no, what you're saying is you fail at CPU designMar 07 01:58
gnufreexThey have SSE in normal coreMar 07 01:58
gnufreexintegratedMar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3yes, because SSE _is normal instructions_Mar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3theres nothing to intergrateMar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3there is no special hardware in the RISC core for SSE.Mar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3none.Mar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3at.Mar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3all.Mar 07 01:58
Diablo-D3its decoded by the instruction decoder and properly scheduled for an optimized case.Mar 07 01:59
gnufreexIt has separate pipelineMar 07 01:59
Diablo-D3nope, it actually doesntMar 07 02:00
gnufreexand it is pretty separated in every RISCMar 07 02:00
Diablo-D3you do realize the RISC core has like 4 ALUs, right?Mar 07 02:00
gnufreexnot everyMar 07 02:00
gnufreexbut yesMar 07 02:00
Diablo-D3no, Im talking the K10 hereMar 07 02:00
gnufreexohMar 07 02:00
Diablo-D3the scheduler just farms them outMar 07 02:00
gnufreexI was talking about general RISC designsMar 07 02:01
Diablo-D3this is why ARM fails, btwMar 07 02:01
gnufreexI actually have no clue what AMD didMar 07 02:01
Diablo-D3[05:01:40] <gnufreex> I actually have no clue what AMD didMar 07 02:01
Diablo-D3[05:01:40] <gnufreex> I actually have no clue what AMD didMar 07 02:01
Diablo-D3[05:01:40] <gnufreex> I actually have no clue what AMD didMar 07 02:01
Diablo-D3[05:01:40] <gnufreex> I actually have no clue what AMD didMar 07 02:01
Diablo-D3you may now shut the fuck up.Mar 07 02:02
gnufreexI won't shut the fuck upMar 07 02:02
Diablo-D3If you dont understand how the K10 is designed, then you have no right to say shit about it.Mar 07 02:02
Diablo-D3Guess what asshat, its better designed than that abortion ARM is peddlingMar 07 02:02
gnufreexI know that all RISCx86 hybrids are fucked upMar 07 02:02
gnufreexAllMar 07 02:02
Diablo-D3The only thing AMD needs to do is sell the core naked decoupled from the x86 decoderMar 07 02:02
Diablo-D3and its not a hybridMar 07 02:03
MinceRbut they don't do thatMar 07 02:03
gnufreexIt won't work. Mar 07 02:03
Diablo-D3there are decade old super computing clusters that use them in K8 RISC modeMar 07 02:03
Diablo-D3and they're quite happy with themMar 07 02:03
Diablo-D3gcc even has a native target for them, and linux boots on themMar 07 02:03
gnufreexhmmMar 07 02:03
gnufreexI must try that.Mar 07 02:04
gnufreexWhere can I find it?Mar 07 02:04
MinceRhow do they switch the k8 into risc mode? is it like switching to protected mode?Mar 07 02:04
Diablo-D3you need a special bios for itMar 07 02:04
gnufreexWhere is it?Mar 07 02:04
MinceRpftMar 07 02:04
Diablo-D3gnufreex: its on boards you cant buy.Mar 07 02:04
gnufreexOh..Mar 07 02:04
Diablo-D3only people who buy them from AMD get to have that.Mar 07 02:04
gnufreexso you are bullshiting meMar 07 02:04
gnufreex:-)Mar 07 02:05
Diablo-D3so unless you're ordering a 5000 cpu cluster, nope, not yours.Mar 07 02:05
Diablo-D3not at allMar 07 02:05
Diablo-D3its not for consumersMar 07 02:05
Diablo-D3I said that about 10 mintues agoMar 07 02:05
gnufreexokMar 07 02:05
gnufreexI thought I will have some funMar 07 02:05
Diablo-D3but almost all the AMD clusters on the top 500 are not running in x86 modeMar 07 02:05
MinceRthat can hardly be called "accessible", can it?Mar 07 02:05
gnufreexHave one Phenom II here, but noMar 07 02:05
Diablo-D3MinceR: what gnufreex was saying is AMD never did thisMar 07 02:06
Diablo-D3and AMD already didMar 07 02:06
MinceRexcept not reallyMar 07 02:06
Diablo-D3[04:53:42] <Diablo-D3> the boat sailed on that.Mar 07 02:06
MinceRonly to special customersMar 07 02:06
MinceRmeanwhile ARM is RISC to all usersMar 07 02:06
gnufreexDiablo-D3: Do you have some links and such. I wana see testsMar 07 02:06
MinceRi think that is the point hereMar 07 02:06
Diablo-D3ARM is barely RISC at all nowMar 07 02:06
Diablo-D3look at what they did to itMar 07 02:06
MinceRi know what they did to itMar 07 02:07
MinceRthey basically helped the bandwidth issue :>Mar 07 02:07
Diablo-D3ARM11, A8, and A9 is ungodly horridMar 07 02:07
Diablo-D3its a giant ugly chipMar 07 02:07
gnufreexDiablo-D3 yes, Urlich Drreper agrees with you.Mar 07 02:07
gnufreex"embeded crap"Mar 07 02:07
Diablo-D3gnufreex: wow, nice insult thereMar 07 02:07
Diablo-D3go fuck yourselfMar 07 02:08
MinceRlolMar 07 02:08
gnufreexI am not insulting youMar 07 02:08
gnufreexok, maybe a littleMar 07 02:08
Diablo-D3I think you're aware how much I hate DrepperMar 07 02:08
gnufreexI am notMar 07 02:08
Diablo-D3You are now.Mar 07 02:08
gnufreexgive some AMD linksMar 07 02:09
gnufreexI want to see that RISC modeMar 07 02:09
Diablo-D3do it yourself.Mar 07 02:09
gnufreexI just get links about AM2900Mar 07 02:10
gnufreexGoogle doesn't know about that thing you talk aboutMar 07 02:10
Diablo-D3hmm googles uselessMar 07 02:10
Diablo-D3gnufreex: ask nenolod about itMar 07 02:10
Diablo-D3I think he might have a copy of the gcc patches too, Im not sureMar 07 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Ubuntu 11.10 named #Oneiric Ocelot http://goo.gl/19ghBMar 07 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Ubuntu 11.10 Codename Announced: Oneiric Ocelot http://bit.ly/htITaYMar 07 02:11
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gnufreexWikipedia and Google don't know about it. Mar 07 02:14
gnufreexAnd I don't know how to find nenolodMar 07 02:14
Diablo-D3....Mar 07 02:14
Diablo-D3you're fucking meMar 07 02:14
Diablo-D3oneiric ocelot?Mar 07 02:14
*Judas_PhD has quit (Quit: This is a quitting message)Mar 07 02:14
*Diablo-D3 blows up shuttlecockMar 07 02:14
Diablo-D3this man needs to be stoppedMar 07 02:14
Diablo-D3before he destroys linux any furtherMar 07 02:15
gnufreexWho?Mar 07 02:15
gnufreexYOu don't make any sensesMar 07 02:15
Diablo-D3[05:11:41] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [webupd8/@webupd8] Ubuntu 11.10 Codename Announced: Oneiric Ocelot http://bit.ly/htITaYMar 07 02:15
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Diablo-D3shuttlecockMar 07 02:15
Diablo-D3needs to be stoppedMar 07 02:15
Diablo-D3at all costsMar 07 02:15
gnufreexlolMar 07 02:15
gnufreexShuttleworthlessMar 07 02:16
Diablo-D3shuttlecock is betterMar 07 02:16
gnufreexBut it is impoliteMar 07 02:16
Diablo-D3shuttlecock == a tiny little peice of plastic you beat with a racketMar 07 02:17
gnufreexAhhMar 07 02:17
Diablo-D3http://www.timvansant.com/otoh/photo/shuttlecock.jpgMar 07 02:17
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeMar 07 02:17
Diablo-D3what a shuttlecock might look likeMar 07 02:17
gnufreexhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BadmintonMar 07 02:17
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MinceRand its arch enemy, GoodmintonMar 07 02:18
gnufreexlolMar 07 02:19
gnufreexWe better think something that is really "impolite" since shuttlecock is politeness zealot. Mar 07 02:19
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MinceRmore like politeness hypocriteMar 07 02:20
gnufreexYeah.Mar 07 02:20
gnufreexSaying "Fedora is RHEL's open core" makes him like Bill Gates when said "nobody can improve GPL software". Lying with straight face. Mar 07 02:22
Diablo-D3ermMar 07 02:22
Diablo-D3I would like to say thats full of shitMar 07 02:22
Diablo-D3Fedora is RHEL without the enterprise supportMar 07 02:22
gnufreexsoMar 07 02:22
gnufreex?Mar 07 02:22
MinceRno, that's CentOSMar 07 02:22
Diablo-D3MinceR: not quiteMar 07 02:22
MinceRFedora is the testing to RHEL's stable :>Mar 07 02:22
gnufreexFedoa is oposite of open coreMar 07 02:23
Diablo-D3wellMar 07 02:23
Diablo-D3lets try this a different wayMar 07 02:23
gnufreexRhel is subset of FedoraMar 07 02:23
Diablo-D3rhel isnt closed.Mar 07 02:23
gnufreexThey take out stuff.Mar 07 02:23
MinceRfedora doesn't even have the 'hide your work' policy to kernel patchesMar 07 02:23
Diablo-D3open core implies its paired with closed source shitMar 07 02:23
Diablo-D3rhel is open.Mar 07 02:23
gnufreexDiablo-D3 That is what I am saying. RHEL is open. Shuttlewroth says it is closed.Mar 07 02:24
Diablo-D3thats ironyMar 07 02:24
Diablo-D3ubuntu is closedMar 07 02:24
Diablo-D3they ship with mono in the default installMar 07 02:24
Diablo-D3mono is closed sourceMar 07 02:24
gnufreexMono is bait sourceMar 07 02:24
Diablo-D3its closed source.Mar 07 02:24
MinceRit's nonfreeMar 07 02:24
Diablo-D3its more nonfree than normal nonfreeMar 07 02:24
gnufreexIf it was closed, we would not have problemsMar 07 02:24
MinceRindeedMar 07 02:24
Diablo-D3nonfree stuff usually doesnt get you sued.Mar 07 02:24
gnufreexIt would be outMar 07 02:25
Diablo-D3mono WILL get you seudMar 07 02:25
gnufreexI hope Attackmate close it.Mar 07 02:25
Diablo-D3microsoft can sue you just for _using_ it as an end userMar 07 02:25
Diablo-D3but this is why Java isnt the same thing...Mar 07 02:25
Diablo-D3Oracle cant fight Java.Mar 07 02:25
MinceRpatent lawsuits can apply to the user?Mar 07 02:25
Diablo-D3Java isnt a Sun productMar 07 02:25
MinceRjava is an obstacle productMar 07 02:25
Diablo-D3its a product of the java communityMar 07 02:25
gnufreexDiablo-D3 Problem with Mono is that it won't get you sued. It will get you bullied. Mar 07 02:26
Diablo-D3Java belongs to Apache, Jboss, and everyone else tooMar 07 02:26
gnufreexMSFT has no guts to sue.Mar 07 02:26
Diablo-D3theres no Mono Community ProcessMar 07 02:26
gnufreexThey want to bully ad infinitumMar 07 02:26
Diablo-D3this is why Mono will always be closed source: no one fights for itMar 07 02:26
Diablo-D3its patentware, and no one caresMar 07 02:26
Diablo-D3Mono is of no valueMar 07 02:26
MinceRgnufreex: i think they'll have to back up their threats eventuallyMar 07 02:26
Diablo-D3we already have Java, and it works better; why do we need a slower more bloated clone?Mar 07 02:27
MinceRwith a lawsuitMar 07 02:27
Diablo-D3and btw, yes, you CAN be sued, as a userMar 07 02:27
MinceRDiablo-D3: because it was Not Invented Here, obviously.Mar 07 02:27
Diablo-D3Microsoft just has to make up shitMar 07 02:27
Diablo-D3and also, there are no non-MS impls of C#Mar 07 02:27
gnufreexMicrosoft is like insecure fat kid that bullies everyone. eventually someone kicks his ass and fatso goes crying to momy.Mar 07 02:27
MinceRthey still infringeMar 07 02:27
Diablo-D3theres at least 5 fully functional JVMs out thereMar 07 02:27
Diablo-D3apache harmony and dalvik being two of themMar 07 02:28
MinceRif not core "c#", then the librariesMar 07 02:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] thanks to !fsfe's new intern @natalissy "#Democracy requires !freesoftware" now available in Russian http://ur1.ca/3eve9Mar 07 02:28
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MinceRgoogle is being sued for dalvik, thoughMar 07 02:28
Diablo-D3MinceR: yes, using invalid patentsMar 07 02:28
MinceRkind of puts a damper on java's opennessMar 07 02:28
Diablo-D3but this is what I was sayingMar 07 02:28
Diablo-D3no one is standing up for MonoMar 07 02:28
MinceRit's not as bad as mono, but it's still pretty badMar 07 02:28
Diablo-D3because Mono does, and always will belong to MicrosoftMar 07 02:28
Diablo-D3Oracle == MicrosoftMar 07 02:29
Diablo-D3its the same fucking shitMar 07 02:29
Diablo-D3rich people trying to destroy the hard work of othersMar 07 02:29
Diablo-D3Java is 10 years of hard work Mar 07 02:29
Diablo-D3not just by Sun, but by Java coders everywhereMar 07 02:29
Diablo-D3when Sun GPL'ed it, that was Sun's promise to everyone that Java will be foreverMar 07 02:29
Diablo-D3Oracle cant destroy thatMar 07 02:29
Diablo-D3its a one way tripMar 07 02:29
Diablo-D3patents cant stop JavaMar 07 02:29
Diablo-D3and Oracle is the enemy of JavaMar 07 02:30
Diablo-D3the moment Sun did that, Sun gave Java to everyoneMar 07 02:31
Diablo-D3Oracle is trying to go door to door and barge in and grab it backMar 07 02:31
Diablo-D3This is why sw patents need to be wiped outMar 07 02:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Ubuntu Classroom: Summary of Ubuntu Developer Week http://goo.gl/wnlYMMar 07 02:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Daniel Holbach: Last day of !Ubuntu Developer Week http://goo.gl/FKUlzMar 07 02:31
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Diablo-D3not because of cases like Mono, but cases like JavaMar 07 02:31
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MinceRindeed, it is one of the reasonsMar 07 02:31
MinceRbut mono is another reason, VFAT is yet anotherMar 07 02:32
MinceRthe MPEG-LA cartel is yet anotherMar 07 02:32
Diablo-D3hehMar 07 02:32
Diablo-D3mpeg-la is fuckedMar 07 02:32
MinceRit's not fucked fast enoughMar 07 02:32
Diablo-D3DoJ is thinking about smacking them around a bit and make them their bitchMar 07 02:32
MinceRthey're still around and they can still do damageMar 07 02:32
MinceRi doubt that an organ of a bitch of the megacorps owning the cartel can really do thatMar 07 02:33
gnufreexLarry horn needs to go to jailMar 07 02:33
MinceRm$ and crApple will just tell their puppets what to do to the DoJMar 07 02:33
MinceR(maybe directly the main puppet, obama)Mar 07 02:33
gnufreexI think that every company that passes 50bn in revenue should be splitMar 07 02:34
gnufreexMegacorporations make huge problemsMar 07 02:34
MinceRthey'd just cook the books to make revenue seem smallerMar 07 02:34
gnufreexHP should be split, MS should be split, IBM should be split. No exceptionMar 07 02:34
gnufreexOr find some other metricsMar 07 02:34
MinceRi think the people should not be prevented from forming armed mobs to kill people like ballmer and larryMar 07 02:35
DaemonFChas anyone seen working Pidgin 2.7.x packages for EL 6?Mar 07 02:35
*DaemonFC scratches his headMar 07 02:35
gnufreexDid you look EPEL?Mar 07 02:36
DaemonFCEPEL has Pidgin Plugin Pack for Pidgin 2.6.6Mar 07 02:37
DaemonFCwhich comes with RHELMar 07 02:37
MinceRwhat's EL/EPEL?Mar 07 02:37
*gnufreex don't use RHEL6 yet Mar 07 02:37
Diablo-D3wellMar 07 02:37
Diablo-D3the metric isMar 07 02:37
Diablo-D3is the company actively harming smaller companiesMar 07 02:38
gnufreexExtra packages for Enterprise Linux MinceRMar 07 02:38
Diablo-D3if soMar 07 02:38
Diablo-D3splitMar 07 02:38
DaemonFCMinceR, Enterprise Linux / Extra Packages for Enterprise LinuxMar 07 02:38
Diablo-D3and as much as you guys bitchMar 07 02:38
Diablo-D3its rare companies need to be splitMar 07 02:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] March Newsletter: Facebook failed revolution, legal news, a lot of love, Document Freedom Day and much more! http://link.fsfe.org/BZ6hxlMar 07 02:38
MinceRicMar 07 02:38
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Diablo-D3MS shouldnt be split because they ARENT a monopolyMar 07 02:38
Diablo-D3on anythingMar 07 02:38
Diablo-D3at allMar 07 02:38
MinceRwell, m$ doesn't need to be split, it needs to be dissolvedMar 07 02:38
Diablo-D3they dont sell the most video game machinesMar 07 02:38
DaemonFCTip 1, don't use AtRPMSMar 07 02:38
MinceRtheir assets should be used to offset the damage they've causedMar 07 02:39
DaemonFCTip 2, Use RPM Forge instead :)Mar 07 02:39
Diablo-D3they dont have the most "normal" computers running their OSMar 07 02:39
MinceRand for the rest of the damage, their upper management should be sent into penal servitudeMar 07 02:39
gnufreexDiablo-D3 how come not a monopoly?Mar 07 02:39
Diablo-D3gnufreex: see aboveMar 07 02:39
Diablo-D3microsoft just isnt relevantMar 07 02:39
*DaemonFC has AtRPMs there but disabled for a few odd packagesMar 07 02:39
Diablo-D3and Im not sure if it ever wasMar 07 02:39
MinceRthey still keep causing damageMar 07 02:39
DaemonFCit tries to take over your systemMar 07 02:39
MinceRremember that mobile phone maker called nokia?Mar 07 02:39
Diablo-D3they cause damage, sureMar 07 02:39
Diablo-D3but thats about itMar 07 02:39
Diablo-D3they need to be slammed for thatMar 07 02:39
MinceRm$ needs to be dissolved so that they can't keep causing damageMar 07 02:40
gnufreexThey have a monopoly on WIndowsMar 07 02:40
Diablo-D3but they're not BellMar 07 02:40
Diablo-D3theres nothing TO splitMar 07 02:40
MinceRand so that they can't keep corrupting governmentsMar 07 02:40
Diablo-D3gnufreex: noMar 07 02:40
Diablo-D3gnufreex: windows is just an osMar 07 02:40
Diablo-D3most normal computers dont run windows.Mar 07 02:40
gnufreexYes, and some people think Windows is computerMar 07 02:40
gnufreexSo Microsoft has monopoly on some people's mindsMar 07 02:40
Diablo-D3some people think Ford is made in AmericaMar 07 02:40
Diablo-D3what do stupid people have to do with this?Mar 07 02:40
gnufreexSo that is a crimeMar 07 02:40
Diablo-D3the reality isMar 07 02:40
Diablo-D3Microsoft is not importantMar 07 02:40
Diablo-D3they do not have a majority in anything usefulMar 07 02:41
MinceRm$ is an important threatMar 07 02:41
gnufreexMicrosoft dumbed those peopleMar 07 02:41
Diablo-D3gnufreex: no, they were born dumbMar 07 02:41
gnufreexTheir propagandaMar 07 02:41
Diablo-D3dont blame Microsoft for making people dumbMar 07 02:41
MinceRand so is crAppleMar 07 02:41
Diablo-D3Microsoft only took advantage of itMar 07 02:41
Diablo-D3Windows in normal computers us probably less than a third.Mar 07 02:41
Diablo-D3*isMar 07 02:41
MinceRand so is obstacleMar 07 02:41
gnufreexTaking advantage of mentaly retarded is crimeMar 07 02:41
Diablo-D3gnufreex: now that I agree withMar 07 02:41
Diablo-D3but these people arent conisidered invalidsMar 07 02:42
Diablo-D3so theres no way thereMar 07 02:42
MinceRDiablo-D3: depends on who you askMar 07 02:42
gnufreexMicrosoft made them invalid with Windows. Mar 07 02:42
Diablo-D3gnufreex: ...Mar 07 02:42
*Diablo-D3 whacks gnufreex with a batMar 07 02:42
*gnufreex whacks Diablo backMar 07 02:42
Diablo-D3we can have a nice conversation, or we can act like blind FOSS zealotsMar 07 02:42
Diablo-D3Microsoft is no different than any other large companyMar 07 02:43
gnufreexsorry, I was just practicingMar 07 02:43
MinceRactually they areMar 07 02:43
Diablo-D3they do not provide anything of use, they make a lot of money, and they try to abuse the system in their favor.Mar 07 02:43
Diablo-D3they're not a Bell or a Standard OilMar 07 02:43
MinceRthey've abused their monopolies much harder than others and they had monopolies over much more important fieldsMar 07 02:43
gnufreexIs there a way to set spell checker in Quassell?Mar 07 02:43
Diablo-D3MinceR: not reallyMar 07 02:43
MinceRcomputers control most modern technology, m$ nearly gained control of all of thatMar 07 02:44
gnufreexI am tired of typosMar 07 02:44
Diablo-D3they're _nothing_ compared to other industriesMar 07 02:44
MinceRother industries depend on ITMar 07 02:44
Diablo-D3MinceR: and, in the end, they didnt.Mar 07 02:44
Diablo-D3like I said, most normal computers dont run windowsMar 07 02:44
MinceRit was a close shotMar 07 02:44
Diablo-D3anda ll the not-normal computers? NONE do.Mar 07 02:44
MinceRi don't think that humanity should keep risking such thingsMar 07 02:44
Diablo-D3does your car run windows? or your microsoft? what about your tv? bluray player? nuclear power plant?Mar 07 02:44
Diablo-D3even your cell phone doesnt.Mar 07 02:45
MinceRimagine what would have happened if they managed to implement and push Palladium like they imagined itMar 07 02:45
MinceRsome cars doMar 07 02:45
MinceRnot mine, of courseMar 07 02:45
Diablo-D3the car doesntMar 07 02:45
MinceRbmw did put winblows ce on some of their carsMar 07 02:45
Diablo-D3some sort of interactive panel device runs a hacked up version of winmoMar 07 02:45
Diablo-D3and winmo isnt windowsMar 07 02:45
MinceRthat's about as idiotic as it gets when it comes to car designMar 07 02:45
Diablo-D3your car doesnt crash because winmo does.Mar 07 02:45
Diablo-D3its a fucking car radioMar 07 02:46
MinceRno, it's a lot more than a car radioMar 07 02:46
Diablo-D3or a gps deviceMar 07 02:46
Diablo-D3it doesnt _do_ anything of importantsMar 07 02:46
MinceRit takes over a lot of the controls in the carMar 07 02:46
Diablo-D3not reallyMar 07 02:46
MinceRit controls the heater and the AC, for exampleMar 07 02:47
MinceRnow imagine driving with fully fogged windowsMar 07 02:47
Diablo-D3it doesntMar 07 02:47
MinceRdoesn't seem so safe, does it?Mar 07 02:47
Diablo-D3all it does is pass through the stuff on a dumb serial connectionMar 07 02:47
MinceRhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IDriveMar 07 02:47
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MinceR"allows the driver and front-seat passenger (in recent cars it is available to back-seat passengers as well) to control such amenities as the climate (air conditioner and heater),"Mar 07 02:47
Diablo-D3and heres the fun partMar 07 02:47
Diablo-D3Ive never seen it.Mar 07 02:47
Diablo-D3ever.Mar 07 02:47
Diablo-D3no one owns bizzaro shit like thisMar 07 02:47
Diablo-D3MinceR: oh, and btwMar 07 02:48
MinceRwell, no one i know owns a bmwMar 07 02:48
Diablo-D3that has to pass the law.Mar 07 02:48
Diablo-D3if theres actually a legitimate issue with it, it would have never been soldMar 07 02:48
MinceRDiablo-D3: the law doesn't really apply to rich people and companies.Mar 07 02:48
MinceRhaven't you noticed?Mar 07 02:48
Diablo-D3the car's computer itself runs normal car softwareMar 07 02:48
Diablo-D3MinceR: not quite.Mar 07 02:48
Diablo-D3because the OTHER companies paid for these lawsMar 07 02:49
Diablo-D3the current state of car laws is to drive foreign manufacturers out of the USMar 07 02:49
Diablo-D3why do you think the media and the government attacked toyota so hard for a problem that didnt existMar 07 02:49
Diablo-D3because they're made in America and the best cars in the worldMar 07 02:49
MinceRDiablo-D3: because it's usian media and toyota is japaneseMar 07 02:50
Diablo-D3MinceR: seeMar 07 02:50
Diablo-D3thats the hilarityMar 07 02:50
MinceRyanks were desperate because their two darling car companies were strugglingMar 07 02:50
Diablo-D3if you want American, you buy Toyota.Mar 07 02:50
MinceRbecause they couldn't come up with cars that didn't fucking suckMar 07 02:50
Diablo-D3if you want Mexican, you buy Ford, Chrysler, or GMMar 07 02:50
Diablo-D3but the laws exist to attack foreign car companiesMar 07 02:51
Diablo-D3so yesMar 07 02:51
Diablo-D3if there was an actual real problem with idriveMar 07 02:51
Diablo-D3it wouldnt have been in productionMar 07 02:51
Diablo-D3and EU car laws are even worse than US onesMar 07 02:51
Diablo-D3MinceR: oh, and these giant car panels?Mar 07 02:53
Diablo-D3they may be in violation of the law anyhowMar 07 02:53
Diablo-D3even our "domestic" carsMar 07 02:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @mjasay @jspaleta Fair enough. Not that anyone from that high up in Canonical would talk to me, but I guess you're on record now.Mar 07 02:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @mjasay @jspaleta You gotta understand that it looked a bit suspicious from the outside...Mar 07 02:53
Diablo-D3so the issue becomes increasingly mootMar 07 02:53
Diablo-D3but lets go back to what we were really talking aboutMar 07 02:53
Diablo-D3microsoft has to _lie_ to appear they have a majorityMar 07 02:53
Diablo-D3let that sink in a bitMar 07 02:54
Diablo-D3they are LYING about their majorityMar 07 02:54
Diablo-D3the implication is, THEY DO NOT HAVE A MAJORITYMar 07 02:54
MinceRDiablo-D3: you're overlooking that the idrive was a vector to ship usian crapMar 07 02:54
MinceRwinblows ceMar 07 02:54
Diablo-D3the money to be made is in all kinds embedded shit, in enterprise, in shit like thatMar 07 02:54
Diablo-D3microsoft doesnt exist there.Mar 07 02:54
MinceRof course they won't pick an issue over thatMar 07 02:54
Diablo-D3sure, theres wince/winmo/winphone7Mar 07 02:54
Diablo-D3but no one owns shit with that in itMar 07 02:55
Diablo-D3people run linux and vxworks on shitMar 07 02:55
MinceRi'll go eat lunch because the company network is fuckedMar 07 02:56
Diablo-D3dvd/bluray players, and mp3 players, and tvs, and cars, and routers, and whateverMar 07 02:56
Diablo-D3they run linux or vxworksMar 07 02:56
Diablo-D3military weapons run vxworksMar 07 02:56
Diablo-D3sats run vxworksMar 07 02:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] https://apps.mozillalabs.com/appdir/Mar 07 02:56
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Diablo-D3cell phones are blackberry or linux or whateverMar 07 02:56
Diablo-D3game machines, 360 is virtually a failureMar 07 02:57
*gnufreex thinks vxworks is overratedMar 07 02:57
Diablo-D3its all wii or DS or ps3 Mar 07 02:57
Diablo-D3no one owns a fucking 360Mar 07 02:57
Diablo-D3in all the things that are important for making moneyMar 07 02:57
Diablo-D3microsoft is in none of themMar 07 02:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Be Careful What You Wish For: Taiwan Using US Pressured #Patent Laws Against US Companies - http://bit.ly/eabEh8 yupMar 07 02:58
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gnufreexvxworks is now owned by Intel, so it is deadMar 07 02:58
gnufreexThey will put intelismsMar 07 02:58
gnufreexMake it slow on ARMMar 07 02:58
Diablo-D3btwMar 07 02:59
Diablo-D3it doesnt matter if vxworks is overratedMar 07 02:59
Diablo-D3the fact is its not microsoft'sMar 07 02:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Kinect Controlled Delta-Robot - http://bit.ly/gGHpxi with a dash of #arduinoMar 07 03:00
Diablo-D3everytime you see the missile camera plow into a terrorist? microsoft had nothing to do with that.Mar 07 03:00
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Diablo-D3gnufreex: and btw, vxworks is a _b_illion dollar industryMar 07 03:00
Diablo-D3and even if intel did own it, they are so deep under contract they couldnt touch itMar 07 03:01
Diablo-D3vxworks is what makes the most mission critical of shit functionMar 07 03:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh the strong emotion of hate reinforced with passion makes that statement quite biblic :)Mar 07 03:01
Diablo-D3there are competitors, of courseMar 07 03:01
gnufreexNucleusMar 07 03:02
Diablo-D3but all the competitors arent owned by microsoft either.Mar 07 03:02
gnufreexQNXMar 07 03:02
Diablo-D3gnufreex: they dont install QNX on sats and military hardware.Mar 07 03:02
Diablo-D3or nuclear power plantsMar 07 03:02
gnufreexhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleus_OSMar 07 03:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Three announces unlimited data for Pay-As-You-Go customers - http://bit.ly/ed8ytY but unlimited unlimited, or just unlimited? #mobile #dataMar 07 03:03
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gnufreexWe need something like that to be FLOSS.Mar 07 03:03
Diablo-D3blehMar 07 03:03
Diablo-D3all thats boring shitMar 07 03:03
Diablo-D3every single thing on that list can be ran with linuxMar 07 03:03
Diablo-D3except that defibrillator at the bottomMar 07 03:04
Diablo-D3I'd rather that be vxworksMar 07 03:04
Diablo-D3The Infineon S-Gold2 baseband chip used in Apple's iPhone[9]Mar 07 03:04
Diablo-D3LOLMar 07 03:04
Diablo-D3gnufreex: but you're missing the pointMar 07 03:04
Diablo-D3Microsoft has no way in.Mar 07 03:05
Diablo-D3the most lucrative technology markets are extreme computing (military/space/extremely mission critical), high end enterprise, and games.Mar 07 03:05
Diablo-D3microsoft has nothing for the first two, and the last one they failed twiceMar 07 03:06
gnufreexThey said that for serversMar 07 03:06
gnufreexAnd they pushed their incompetentce into serversMar 07 03:06
Diablo-D3microsoft is in low end enterprise a tiny bit, but not enough to really bother mentioningMar 07 03:06
Diablo-D3its almost all linux thereMar 07 03:06
gnufreexThey have more than 50% serversMar 07 03:06
Diablo-D3and on home computing on the PCs themselves.... thats about it.Mar 07 03:06
Diablo-D3gnufreex: nope.Mar 07 03:06
Diablo-D3not even close.Mar 07 03:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Moving beyond the #Microsoft #monoculture - http://bit.ly/hcL7Nq it's the end of an era - but problems will linger onMar 07 03:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Protocols mangling... http://xkcd.com/869/ ;-)Mar 07 03:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] HTC reportedly secures 1 million orders for HTC Flyer - http://bit.ly/i7P4BJ just the start #android #htcMar 07 03:06
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Diablo-D3on any actual enterprise, its hard to find windows.Mar 07 03:06
Diablo-D3its on the sub-enterprise shit windows floats aroundMar 07 03:07
Diablo-D3just because you're a company with 20 people and have a LAN box doesnt mean you're enterprise.Mar 07 03:07
gnufreexI am not talking "true scotsmen" enterprise, that is hard to defineMar 07 03:07
gnufreexServefsMar 07 03:07
gnufreex*serversMar 07 03:07
gnufreexthey have 50%Mar 07 03:07
Diablo-D3servers makes no senseMar 07 03:08
Diablo-D3lots of people claim to have servers and dont.Mar 07 03:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Be Careful What You Wish For: Taiwan Using US Pressured #Patent Laws Against US Companies - http://bit.ly/eabEh8 yupMar 07 03:08
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Diablo-D3like I said, just because you have 20 people and a "server" doesnt mean you're enterprise.Mar 07 03:08
gnufreexpeople talked that Windows Server will never sell. And by technical merit, it shouldn't.Mar 07 03:09
gnufreexBut they made 15bn last yearMar 07 03:09
gnufreexfrom STB divisionMar 07 03:09
Diablo-D3which means nothing.Mar 07 03:10
Diablo-D3imagine if Linux wasnt freeMar 07 03:10
gnufreexIt means they pushed their Jihad over comon reason. Mar 07 03:10
gnufreexPeople shouldn't touch their crapMar 07 03:10
Diablo-D3it'd be hundreds of billionsMar 07 03:10
gnufreexAnd they are forcedMar 07 03:10
gnufreexBy HP and suchMar 07 03:10
gnufreexand DellMar 07 03:10
Diablo-D3maybe trillionsMar 07 03:10
Diablo-D3gnufreex: not trueMar 07 03:10
Diablo-D3Dell and HP both sell Linux on their enterprise shitMar 07 03:11
gnufreexThey sell, but they "recomend" windowsMar 07 03:11
Diablo-D3they dont really recommend anythingMar 07 03:11
Diablo-D3they sell computersMar 07 03:11
gnufreexGo on site.Mar 07 03:11
gnufreexBig lettersMar 07 03:11
Diablo-D3no one cares about "a site"Mar 07 03:11
Diablo-D3its a fucking templateMar 07 03:11
Diablo-D3no one caresMar 07 03:12
Diablo-D3no one is buying windows on the serverMar 07 03:12
gnufreex"Life without walls - Windows 7"Mar 07 03:12
Diablo-D3soMar 07 03:12
Diablo-D3the ONLY placeMar 07 03:12
Diablo-D3the _ONLY_ placeMar 07 03:12
Diablo-D3microsoft ever took offMar 07 03:12
Diablo-D3was on the desktopMar 07 03:12
Diablo-D3which makes no real moneyMar 07 03:12
Diablo-D3I have no clue how Microsoft got so big, but it wasnt from selling Windows.Mar 07 03:12
gnufreexI tihnk it is stiupidest marketing phrase everMar 07 03:13
Diablo-D3all marketing phrases are stupidMar 07 03:13
gnufreexWhere you put Windows 7 if you don't have wall?Mar 07 03:13
gnufreexNobody will put it on computerMar 07 03:13
Diablo-D3gnufreex: maybe its some sort of all glass houseMar 07 03:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How To Add MinimizeAnd Maximize Buttons Back In Gnome Shell ~ Web Upd8 http://ping.fm/ijUV3Mar 07 03:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I really wish Facebook and Skype weren't going to work together http://ping.fm/elnsGMar 07 03:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh I'm guessing you're taking my joke it a bit more seriously than I ever expected. I'm sorry to have irked you :)Mar 07 03:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh full ack, agree and subscribe. :) Did you ever read asimov's short story Nightfall? Interesting view on religion there :)Mar 07 03:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh Lighten up :) Everytime you loose the sense of humour a kitten dies!Mar 07 03:23
gnufreexDiablo-D3: wrt k10 risc, BulMar 07 03:24
gnufreexbulldozer will have different ISA?Mar 07 03:24
gnufreexInternal one that is?Mar 07 03:24
gnufreexI think yesMar 07 03:24
gnufreexThey won't bother making that workMar 07 03:24
Diablo-D3no.Mar 07 03:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Slur “Open Core”: Toward More Diligent Analysis - http://bit.ly/egDdle interesting reflection on a contentious topic #opensourceMar 07 03:25
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Diablo-D3the radeon cores arent aprt of the cpu coreMar 07 03:25
Diablo-D3they're native htx cores in their own rightMar 07 03:25
gnufreexYou mean, it will have same RISC instructions  as K10Mar 07 03:25
Diablo-D3it IS a k10.Mar 07 03:25
gnufreex?Mar 07 03:25
Diablo-D3well, maybe a k11Mar 07 03:25
Diablo-D3gnufreex: btwMar 07 03:25
gnufreexBulldozer is not k10Mar 07 03:25
Diablo-D3each one does have slightly different instructionsMar 07 03:25
gnufreexIt is completely differentMar 07 03:25
Diablo-D3gnufreex: noMar 07 03:25
Diablo-D3its not as different as you thinkMar 07 03:25
gnufreexThey don't specify RISC instructions, meaning that they won't bother keeping them compatibleMar 07 03:26
gnufreexNothing runs on thatMar 07 03:27
Diablo-D3gnufreex: they're not compatible largely.Mar 07 03:27
gnufreexso it is waste of resources to test Mar 07 03:27
Diablo-D3its not a specification.Mar 07 03:27
Diablo-D3as I said aboveMar 07 03:27
Diablo-D3they have an op for everything the hw doesMar 07 03:27
Diablo-D3theres no ops for things the hardware doesnt do.Mar 07 03:27
Diablo-D3so if they remove something, the op goesMar 07 03:27
Diablo-D3if they add something, they add an opMar 07 03:27
gnufreexYeah but Buldozer is significant redesign. I think K7 to K10 had pretty same design.Mar 07 03:28
gnufreexBut bulldozer is way differentMar 07 03:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Debian honoured with LNM award for Outstanding Contribution to Free Software http://ping.fm/KKr2oMar 07 03:30
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gnufreexI know only those things they published on sites, but there is longer pipeline, fused cores.. Mar 07 03:30
gnufreexIt is 2 cores like one. Mar 07 03:30
gnufreexThey first said it will be posible to gang themMar 07 03:30
gnufreexlike oneMar 07 03:31
gnufreexbut they backed awayMar 07 03:31
gnufreexThat was pipe dream imhoMar 07 03:31
gnufreexBut it can still gang together two FPUsMar 07 03:31
gnufreexThat is nothing newMar 07 03:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Amazon outlines #Android bill of rights - http://bit.ly/gP6xX6 interesting details on how #Google & #Amazon use #DRM in their app storesMar 07 03:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Any hardcore plone developers looking for a good job with a cool company in Berne, Switzerland? Let me know. #freesoftware #jobs !gnu !fsfeMar 07 03:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Who herded the cats? - http://bit.ly/h5Gg4m "the future is catching up with us, and we need to free the thinkers again"; nice pieceMar 07 03:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh I feel that pain too, but sometimes we redirect it against the wrong people. Controlling that is... hard.Mar 07 03:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #DistroWatch Weekly Issue 395 has been released. This week's featured distro: #ArchBang !Linux 2011 http://goo.gl/a7JBdMar 07 03:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Working to fix mapping on the !LO !Minecraft server... Looking good.Mar 07 03:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Computational X - http://bit.ly/hT0H0M "Computational grass mowing...Computational knitting" er, right...Mar 07 03:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: There will be a live #LinuxOutlaws recording tonight as usual, folks. 19:00 UTC (ish). Be there!Mar 07 03:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Next after Natty? - http://bit.ly/fJ9Vcs will be...</drumroll> "Oneiric Ocelot". #shuttleworth explains why "oddball octopus" is out #ubuntuMar 07 03:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oneiric Ocelot? Are you SERIOUS???? Nobody can even SAY that! The UbuFAIL just gets harder and harder... #ubuntuMar 07 03:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Coming soon: Ubuntu HerpderpMar 07 03:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] And I thought "Lovelock" was a shit name..... LOLMar 07 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh meh I reckon you didn't :)Mar 07 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Crowdsourced is not #OpenSource - http://bit.ly/dGwMbi "they are very different, most importantly in the ownership of the outcome"Mar 07 03:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Towards Pirate Parties International Conference - http://bit.ly/hdHI6v a few places left, apparentlyMar 07 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ghana Photographer telling Africa's story through his lens: Independence Day Celebration in Pictures http://ping.fm/WTet3Mar 07 03:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux Has Domination, #Microsoft Has Vapourware http://ur1.ca/3ewdb #vapourware #win8 #androidMar 07 03:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Linux Has Domination, Microsoft Has Vapourware http://ur1.ca/3ewdb #vaporware #windows8Mar 07 03:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #BSA (Microsoft Front), MPEG Cartel (Backed by Microsoft and Apple), and Gates Foundation Under Scrutiny for Patent Play http://ur1.ca/3ewdsMar 07 03:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] BSA, MPEG Cartel (Backed by Microsoft and Apple), and Gates Foundation Under Scrutiny for Patent Play http://ur1.ca/3ewds #swpatsMar 07 03:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Moving houses. Will be back online ASAP. #SidenoteMar 07 03:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] In case you missed it like I did... Nicely done Free Software advertising video: Linspotting http://vimeo.com/15474925Mar 07 03:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Amazon outlines !Android bill of rights at the Register http://ping.fm/dKKJ1Mar 07 04:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Tadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! @th3k4ty has teh minecrafts! :DMar 07 04:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] You wouldn’t do this to a dog… - http://bit.ly/gURwD9 how not to do simple local government transactionsMar 07 04:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Got two new people on the Minecrafts this weekend. :PMar 07 04:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] /simon_creeper_voice That's a very nice everything you have there..... :PMar 07 04:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I think #accessibility could B the biggest practical issue 4 Unity, @popey. !Gnome was rlly excellent in that area re: http://bit.ly/fzKHehMar 07 04:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ORG's Hargreaves Review submission - http://bit.ly/eI4n4X NB: plus two more reviews we need to submit sensible ideas to... #copyrightMar 07 04:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Interview with David Hammerstein on #WIPO treaty for persons who are #blind - http://bit.ly/g1ClEy "#France is the most adamant in opposing"Mar 07 04:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Next Ubuntu Version Codenamed "Oneiric Ocelot" http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/oneiric-ocelot/Mar 07 04:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hacker discovers PS3 3.56 exploit, will not release - scared of Sony? http://ping.fm/Qwa0bMar 07 04:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @lxnews: Next Ubuntu Version Codenamed "Oneiric Ocelot" http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/oneiric-ocelot/Mar 07 04:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Jesus. Having to re-render the !LO #Minecraft map because the map format changed. It's taking fucking AGES.... OoMar 07 04:21
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MinceRreMar 07 04:26
MinceR121207 < gnufreex> "Life without walls - Windows 7"Mar 07 04:28
MinceRi was just thinkingMar 07 04:28
MinceRif they have no walls, what the fuck do they need windows for?Mar 07 04:28
gnufreexIn world without walls and fences, nobody needs Windows and Gates. Mar 07 04:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !openSUSE, #Banshee and the root of all evil http://ping.fm/YesHoMar 07 04:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Which virtual machine managers are in the !opensuse repos?Mar 07 04:30
TechrightsBot-trMissing content type. Ignoring.Mar 07 04:30
oiaohmI remember windows 1.0 that had a sanely shape windows picture.Mar 07 04:30
oiaohmFuture versions had a pciture of a window you would never fit to a house.Mar 07 04:30
gnufreexlolMar 07 04:31
gnufreexGates wants to brake your wallMar 07 04:31
gnufreexHere is another interesting thing:Mar 07 04:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Dear Google/Youtube, why if I joined the HTML5 you don't use HTML5 as default? #JustaskingMar 07 04:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Three good reasons to buy an open-PC - CIO Magazine http://ping.fm/LtZkdMar 07 04:31
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gnufreexWindows XP had "My Computer"Mar 07 04:32
gnufreexVista had "Computer"Mar 07 04:32
gnufreexand W7 tooMar 07 04:32
MinceR(flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M63gJdqc4j0Mar 07 04:32
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MinceRthere's a winblows window in that oneMar 07 04:32
gnufreexAn now they might put "Microsoft computer" (aka cloud) on W8Mar 07 04:32
gnufreexThey are stealing peoples computerMar 07 04:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Index on Censorship » Blog Archive » Freedom sacrificed for an easy life, in Apple’s Brave New World http://ping.fm/FuFUBMar 07 04:33
gnufreexAnd convincing them that it not their (no My Computer).Mar 07 04:33
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MinceRthey're climbing your windowsMar 07 04:34
MinceRsnatching your PCs upMar 07 04:34
gnufreexThey steal your hardrive and say: "Go to azure cloud"Mar 07 04:35
gnufreex" no need for local storage"Mar 07 04:35
gnufreexno, wait, that's googleMar 07 04:35
MinceRm$ wants to be google, thoughMar 07 04:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Digia to acquire #Qt commercial licensing business from #Nokia http://goo.gl/bbOy0 !gnu - via @hupMar 07 04:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Next Ubuntu Version Codenamed "Oneiric Ocelot" http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/oneiric-ocelot/Mar 07 04:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Nokia sold Qt to Digia. What's the next step?Mar 07 04:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @popey And I gotta be honest I'm not sure using Psychological terms is a great move (only context I've read it in)Mar 07 04:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Zoche v Wikipedia jetzt auch beim SPIEGEL im Netzwerkticker - ganz unten: http://ur1.ca/3ewz2 cc @georgzoche @netzpolitik @udovetterMar 07 04:45
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MinceRlooks like Qt is getting into a safer situation thenMar 07 04:46
gnufreexwho's digia?Mar 07 04:46
gnufreexI hope it isn't MSFT DroneMar 07 04:47
MinceRso do iMar 07 04:47
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gnufreexoh crapMar 07 04:47
gnufreexthey only sold dual licensing bussinesMar 07 04:47
gnufreexthey still keep devsMar 07 04:47
MinceRthis does mean that another company will at least push them to keep Qt alive and goingMar 07 04:48
gnufreexdigia will only send sales droids to Qt users to try to collect money.Mar 07 04:48
MinceRor notMar 07 04:48
MinceRi guess it's "wait and see" again :>Mar 07 04:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] At first sight, Digia doesn't look so bad at all: http://goo.gl/i9TfcMar 07 04:50
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gnufreexhttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/nokia-sells-non-mobile-licensing-ops-to-digia/articleshow/7647386.cmsMar 07 04:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @toros They only sold non-mobile proprietary licensing business. Development of Qt stays at Nokia. It is not great news.Mar 07 04:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #Firefox 4: Get Tabs In The Title Bar (Like Chrome) http://goo.gl/6g3HdMar 07 05:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I may need a new keyboard soonMar 07 05:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Funny. Yet another opening. This time: Capable system administrator with Python skills sought who is willing to work in Zurich. !fsfe !gnuMar 07 05:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Dear Universities, are you listening? Free Software competency is almost a job guarantee these days!Mar 07 05:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2011-03-07: Commitment to Open Rbust reply from Red Hat concerning their decision to stop sharing det... http://wmk.me/g4hSXeMar 07 05:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Nokia sells #Qt non-mobile proprietary relicensing to #Digia. Rest of Qt (incl. whole dev team) stays at #Nokia http://ur1.ca/3ex82Mar 07 05:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] European public administrations "needlessly spending millions" due to software vendor lock-in http://ur1.ca/3e6pmMar 07 05:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Loving @th3k4ty's #Minecraft dents! :DMar 07 05:25
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GoForbes28what is this, techrights without Roy?!!Mar 07 05:30
gnufreexGoForbes28 he said yesterday he is bussy... movingMar 07 05:31
nisshhGoForbes28, read his identi.ca he will be back ASAP :)Mar 07 05:31
nisshhhehMar 07 05:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] *now* im happy with my #.screenrc :)Mar 07 05:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Server is rendering the second zoom level for the map now.... Gods, this is slow! !loMar 07 05:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @karsten European public administrations "needlessly spending millions" due to software vendor lock-in http://ur1.ca/3e6pmMar 07 05:35
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GoForbes28seriously though, where is roy?  I've never seen him completely offline beforeMar 07 05:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Nokia sells off commercial and services arm of Qt - http://bit.ly/frBXpt hmmm (v @digitaldownfall) #nokia #qtMar 07 05:40
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nisshhGoForbes28, read his last dent....Mar 07 05:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Matt Zimmerman: Listening to users http://goo.gl/w6ICUMar 07 05:41
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oiaohmOk QT sold to digiaMar 07 05:42
gnufreexNot entire QtMar 07 05:43
gnufreexjust desktop relicensingMar 07 05:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] OpenStack Governance Update - http://bit.ly/eZPpQm trying to assuage concerns, maybe... #cloudcomputing #opensource (v @webmink)Mar 07 05:43
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gnufreexThe part that never had any meaning for nokiaMar 07 05:43
gnufreexand nobody really needs proprietary licenses, since it is LGPLMar 07 05:44
MinceRthey might still want support as a serviceMar 07 05:44
gnufreexElop could still kill QtMar 07 05:44
oiaohmhttp://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together/   Read more gnufreexMar 07 05:45
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MinceRelop can't kill Qt unless the KDE devs consent to itMar 07 05:45
gnufreexYeah... I meant damageMar 07 05:45
MinceRand now it seems that killing Qt would also need Digia's consentMar 07 05:45
oiaohmThe way this is written sould like trolltech staff are jumping ship.  gnufreexMar 07 05:45
MinceRwell, elop could FUD QtMar 07 05:45
oiaohmsould/soundsMar 07 05:45
gnufreexYeah I read that oiaohmMar 07 05:45
gnufreexI worry that financials warent dislosedMar 07 05:46
gnufreexIt means it is peanutsMar 07 05:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU governments could save millions by using #opensource on desktop - http://bit.ly/e2y03b interesting stats in paper (v @kgerloff @ggreve)Mar 07 05:46
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gnufreexhence, it is something irrelevantMar 07 05:46
gnufreexJust misdirection for ElopMar 07 05:47
oiaohmgnufreex: Its embeded services as well go to digiaMar 07 05:47
gnufreexto say "here, I sold it, so I am not a Trojan"Mar 07 05:47
oiaohmgnufreex: basically digia will have all the profitable lines of QtMar 07 05:47
gnufreexYeah, but they don't have developmentMar 07 05:47
gnufreexjust selling licenses that nobody needsMar 07 05:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "The FinUSB Suite is a tactical USB device, extracts predefined information from a target PC" - http://bit.ly/hMDqTa nasty (v @dozykraut)Mar 07 05:48
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gnufreexAnd nokia still has copyrightMar 07 05:48
gnufreexDigia just got permision to sell licensesMar 07 05:49
gnufreexNokia could still sell licenses to undercut them. Unless they agreed that they won't.Mar 07 05:49
gnufreexbut it doesn't say.Mar 07 05:49
gnufreexIt is basically nothingMar 07 05:49
gnufreexjust to fill the newsMar 07 05:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Novell Announces Commercially Supported LibreOffice Version http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/novell-commercially-supported-libreoffice/Mar 07 05:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China: #Tibet won't fall apart if Dalai Lama dies - http://bit.ly/hwfeYg i.e. we'll shoot anything that movesMar 07 05:50
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gnufreexmaybe to save them from forkMar 07 05:50
gnufreexto paralyze plans of KDE folksMar 07 05:50
gnufreexif they had plans to forkMar 07 05:50
oiaohmNokia will keep training.  gnufreexMar 07 05:52
oiaohmBut the split really puts the KDE guys in the strongest location.Mar 07 05:53
oiaohmBecause now the QT board could possibly become 1 Nokia 1 Digia and 2 KDEMar 07 05:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Having leftover pizza...Mar 07 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Such a wonderful day outside. Fucking shame we can't leave the house today. Damn fucking Karneval!!!Mar 07 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Charcoal really makes the starting out in !Minecraft a whole damn of a lot easier....Mar 07 05:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Of the community, not above the community | http://bit.ly/ghgBN9 #strategy #selfless #presentMar 07 06:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Oil Rush Available for Pre-Oder http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/oil-rush-available-for-pre-order/Mar 07 06:06
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DaemonFCI'm just learning all kinds of new things today :)Mar 07 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Shuttleworth: Next after Natty? http://lwn.net/Articles/431705/rssMar 07 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] another promo piece from #BBC begs the question "exactly who does Rory work for? http://tighturl.com/2zmsMar 07 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Rendering Level 4/8..... !LOMar 07 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @karsten: European public administrations "needlessly spending millions" due to software vendor lock-in http://ur1.ca/3e6pmMar 07 06:13
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DaemonFCDon't enable the Fastbugs repository in Scientific Linux, they don't keep it in sync with the 32-bit libraries and you end up conflicting with their official repositories Mar 07 06:14
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 06:14
*DaemonFC just spent a little while digging out some of those updates with the assistance of yumex and rpm -e --nodepsMar 07 06:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] I missed this news. Novell lost $18m in a quarter. http://ur1.ca/3exvy Balmer said no more coupons.Mar 07 06:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Novell Earnings Fall, But Linux Products Offer Hope - InternetNews.com .::. Size~: 132.89 KBMar 07 06:15
DaemonFCnow of course, had I actually read the documentation before installing this I would know that they recommend not leaving that updates repo enabled, and not using anything from it unless you encounter a bug in a particular packageMar 07 06:15
*DaemonFC is not known for reading documentation firstMar 07 06:16
DaemonFCNo more coupons from SweatyB, just a fire sale from the people who trusted him.Mar 07 06:17
DaemonFCB-)Mar 07 06:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Seems german company Gamma/Elaman sold some nasty spy SW to #Egyp SS - PDF here http://ur1.ca/3exwu via Heise [german] http://ur1.ca/3exwvMar 07 06:18
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DaemonFCMinceR, SweatyB will give you a 10% discount on Windows if you agree to buy >1000 site licensesMar 07 06:19
DaemonFCwhat say you? :)Mar 07 06:19
DaemonFCthe fastest way to get a concession from Microsoft is to say you're considering LinuxMar 07 06:20
gnufreexThis is first loss for Novell I know of. They were declining, but had no losses.Mar 07 06:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Nokia Sells Off Parts of Qt http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/nokia-sells-off-parts-of-qt/Mar 07 06:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Nokia sells its Qt licensing business to Digia http://lwn.net/Articles/431708/rssMar 07 06:20
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gnufreexNow they are in heavy losses.Mar 07 06:20
DaemonFCthe Marion, Indiana public library uses Red Hat, Microsoft couldn't go low enough to get their businessMar 07 06:20
DaemonFCthe library actually told them that paying people to support Windows and extra systems to run it would cost them more than using Red Hat even if Windows was freeMar 07 06:20
DaemonFCI got a kick out of thatMar 07 06:20
gnufreexIf sale to Attackmate fails, Novell is going bankrupt fast.  Mar 07 06:21
MinceRDaemonFC: i say he already knows where he can put those licenses :>Mar 07 06:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @lxnews: Nokia Sells Off Parts of Qt http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/nokia-sells-off-parts-of-qt/Mar 07 06:21
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DaemonFCMinceR, They have the systems set up so that it's one tower with 10 GPUs covers 10 workstationsMar 07 06:22
DaemonFCthree towers, 30 workstations :)Mar 07 06:22
DaemonFCI thought that was neat, I even got to use Pidgin :)Mar 07 06:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] More #elopcalypse ♺ @lxnews: Nokia Sells Off Parts of Qt http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/nokia-sells-off-parts-of-qt/Mar 07 06:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] TechCrunch comments now clipped thanks to Facebook presence: (Steve's Blog): http://bit.ly/gBliEOMar 07 06:25
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oiaohmgnufreex: funny enough Novell Linux departments are about the only parts growing.Mar 07 06:25
gnufreexI hope attackmate buy fails and Red Hat buys themMar 07 06:26
gnufreexthen they could do asset striping and even earn some cash.Mar 07 06:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @sparks: "I need to upgrade my laptop from !Ubuntu to !Fedora today." #overheardinmyoffice < *EvilGrin*Mar 07 06:26
DaemonFCRHEL 6 is a lot nicer than Debian 6Mar 07 06:28
*DaemonFC was having severe kernel latency issues with Debian's stock kernel for oneMar 07 06:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Rob Pegoraro - How to decipher tech rumors, the nerd equivalent of celebrity gossip http://wapo.st/f0T179Mar 07 06:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @osamak RT @freedomboxfndn Eben Moglen explains the !FreedomBox on CBS Evening News (flash req'd): http://ur1.ca/3exvq or donwload it...Mar 07 06:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] I'm taking Ars Technica off my RSS reader because they advertise for #Microsoft products too muchMar 07 06:30
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DaemonFCSL 6 feels like Fedora without the bugsMar 07 06:30
DaemonFCeverything that works right in Fedora is obviously hand picked for RHELMar 07 06:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat changes kernel source distribution in response to Oracle (H): http://bit.ly/egP4OcMar 07 06:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GlennBeck 's syndicator runs a astroturf-on-demand call-in service for radio programs http://ur1.ca/3ey2uMar 07 06:31
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oiaohmDaemonFC: exactly Fedora is a testing distrobution.   Any distribution worse than fedora should be put down.Mar 07 06:34
oiaohmHello the keynote that was against the lca2011 rules have been released.  http://linuxconfau.blip.tv/file/4851926/Mar 07 06:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Bradley Manning Facing Death Charges, Forced to Be Naked Daily http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/bradley-manning-facing-death-charges/Mar 07 06:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @karsten European public administrations "needlessly spending millions" due to software vendor lock-in http://ur1.ca/3e6pmMar 07 06:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat: 'Yes, we undercut Oracle with hidden Linux patches' • Channel Register http://bit.ly/fli0UcMar 07 06:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] I have had it up to here with Perl and Mysql man pages, mailing lists and forums today!Mar 07 06:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] That Was Quick: Nokia Sells Qt Commercial To Digia: Following the announcement less than a month ago that Nokia ... http://bit.ly/hIxFUnMar 07 06:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonymousIRC: RT @TauxFu: Hacked e-mails show Web's usefulness in dirty-tricks campaigns http://wapo.st/fx0iQl #Wikileaks #HBGary #COCMar 07 06:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] German gov't signs new contract w/ Microsoft http://ur1.ca/3ey5i Anyone have call for tender, copy of contract? #procurement #failMar 07 06:43
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] That Was Quick: Nokia Sells Qt Commercial To Digia .::. Size~: 19.73 KBMar 07 06:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Source Ampersands - http://bit.ly/fc8nRE no, really (v @kirstinbutler @michael_nielsen) #webfont #ampersandMar 07 06:45
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DaemonFCoiaohm, This has been driving me nutsMar 07 06:46
DaemonFCwhere would I go to get a new Pidgin and Rhythmbox if that's possible?Mar 07 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] RT @kirschner ♻ @reiter: @mirkoboehm on #qt, #kde : http://ping.fm/1EaS7. His conclusion: This is a political issue [..]That is why I wi ...Mar 07 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Microsoft preparing mysterious announcement - Beware the Ideas of March http://bit.ly/gUJVWO #softwareMar 07 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] IBM fires back at Oracle in middleware fray (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/ekaKP3Mar 07 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Anthony Rota was lobbied by BELL CANADA on Mar. 03 http://bit.ly/dGN6RRMar 07 06:46
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DaemonFCPidgin obviously never changes all that much, but the new plug-in pack refuses to work with Pidgin 2.6.6 mostlyMar 07 06:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @amandapalmer: SOMEONE made very realistic vagina-themed cupcakes for my going-away melbourne dinner. #hot http://twitpic.com/473c1qMar 07 06:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat Defends Kernel Code Obfuscation | ITworld http://bit.ly/focgbnMar 07 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Eighty years ago my father was born. Left us too early. Ciao papà :'-)Mar 07 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Humble Bundle Creator Says Linux Matters http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/humble-bundle-creator-says-linux-matters/Mar 07 06:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonymousIRC: RT @OpPinkPower: #OpPinkPower launches March 8, International Women's Day #Anonymiss #Anonymous http://bit.ly/gb9HZzMar 07 06:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @oliviachow: Guess who has the worst voting attendance of all MPs in the House of Commons? Missing 59% of votes: http://bit.ly/gZMFaQ #fbMar 07 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Nokia Sells Off Parts of Qt http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/nokia-sells-off-parts-of-qt/Mar 07 06:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: I will be attending a funeral today. The wife of former Parry Sound MPP Lorne Maeck, Ivy Maeck, passed away.Mar 07 06:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Humble Bundle Creator Says Linux Matters http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/humble-bundle-creator-says-linux-matters/Mar 07 06:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: #Samsung announces the portrait QWERTY Galaxy Pro http://goo.gl/hwEo8 !androidMar 07 07:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Novell Announces Commercially Supported LibreOffice Version http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/novell-commercially-supported-libreo ...Mar 07 07:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Interesting day. Last week Libs attacked me 4 announcing policy on Twitter. This week they say I don't have policy...Mar 07 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @lxnews: Bradley Manning Facing Death Charges, Forced to Be Naked Daily http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/bradley-manning-facing-death-charges/Mar 07 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Liberal critic also cribs from my remarks at Committee on #UBB, claims as his own & says I'm not doing anything! #cheekyMar 07 07:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: Islam and science: cowed Muslim physicist cancels lecture on evolution: http://t.co/79WSNX0Mar 07 07:05
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DaemonFCI love that the HPLIP build instructions have it spew crap all over your machineMar 07 07:05
DaemonFCall I really need are the CUPS driversMar 07 07:05
*DaemonFC tweaks this a bit :)Mar 07 07:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] Phil Collins retirement coverage distorted. http://www.philcollins.co.uk/news/breaking-news-message-philMar 07 07:06
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DaemonFCSystem Config Printer is good enough that as long as you have a CUPS driver, all you have to do is turn the printer onMar 07 07:08
DaemonFCtheir stupid documentation for HPLIP adds 4 MB to the build :)Mar 07 07:08
DaemonFCalso, I don't have a fax machineMar 07 07:08
DaemonFCand I won't be using it over a network :)Mar 07 07:08
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GoForbes28so gfx, what exactly does the QT "proprietary side" sale mean in terms of negative consequences?Mar 07 07:22
gnufreexAs it stands, it means nothingMar 07 07:22
gnufreexThey just get to resell proprietary licenses to those who want themMar 07 07:22
GoForbes28Then why is it bad news as you indicated?Mar 07 07:22
gnufreexBad news is that Elop still has QtMar 07 07:23
gnufreexNothing changedMar 07 07:23
GoForbes28Ah, that's whyMar 07 07:23
DaemonFCthere's nothing wrong with selling proprietary licenses for QTMar 07 07:23
GoForbes28Still, if they sell it, the company that gets the development "rights" may not be much betterMar 07 07:23
DaemonFCit's not going to lead to a fork, it just means that outfit can use QT without GPL-ing their productMar 07 07:23
gnufreexThat is problem too.Mar 07 07:23
DaemonFCOpera was using QT for a while like thatMar 07 07:24
DaemonFClook at it this way, it funds the salaries of a lot of QT developers at NokiaMar 07 07:24
MinceRthey can use Qt without GPL-ing their product anywayMar 07 07:24
MinceRQt is licensed under LGPL, remember?Mar 07 07:24
GoForbes28YesMar 07 07:24
gnufreexQt is LGPL Mar 07 07:24
DaemonFChmmMar 07 07:24
GoForbes28Like WineMar 07 07:24
gnufreexYesMar 07 07:24
DaemonFCwhy was Opera using it under a GPL opt-out?Mar 07 07:24
gnufreexNot even proprietary companies need licenseMar 07 07:24
gnufreexThey can use LGPL Mar 07 07:25
MinceRi see two points to commercial licensing: paid support and the ability to modify Qt without having to include its source codeMar 07 07:25
gnufreexMaybe they want to link staticallyMar 07 07:25
gnufreexFor convinienceMar 07 07:25
MinceRDaemonFC: the LGPL relicensing is recentMar 07 07:25
gnufreexalso thatMar 07 07:25
DaemonFCthey were linking statically when they used itMar 07 07:25
MinceRit happened not long after nokia bought trolltechMar 07 07:25
GoForbes28Opera now uses GTK, but that isn't LGPL is it?Mar 07 07:25
DaemonFCit's the only way to get consistency or to even guarantee that it will be thereMar 07 07:25
MinceRyou can statically link LGPL from nonfree code, you just need to include object files of your stuffMar 07 07:26
MinceRso that the user can relinkMar 07 07:26
gnufreexIf they want to link statically, then they must LGPL their stuff or get a prop licenseMar 07 07:26
DaemonFCnot all distros have QT libraries (a few don't) and the ones that do can modify it in such a way that it would cause bugs in OperaMar 07 07:26
MinceRmaybe not even that is required, i'm not sureMar 07 07:26
gnufreexThey might link dynamically or use inheritanceMar 07 07:26
gnufreexthen they don't need licenseMar 07 07:26
DaemonFCOpera just avoids the problem entirely now and uses its own toolkitMar 07 07:27
DaemonFCand mimics the desktop environment the user is running it inMar 07 07:27
GoForbes28They are using GTK for GNOME, no?Mar 07 07:27
GoForbes28I meant Opera isMar 07 07:27
DaemonFCno, it just looks like GTK when you run it in GNOMEMar 07 07:27
DaemonFCit's actually notMar 07 07:27
gnufreexHere is what PJ says on Qt saleMar 07 07:28
gnufreex[PJ: Remember SCO telling the court that in  SCO v. Novell that no one ever sells a business without the copyrights? Heh heh. It seems it does happen, eh?]Mar 07 07:28
DaemonFCthey have three interfaces it can mimic, GTK+, KDE, and generic QTMar 07 07:28
DaemonFCGeneric QT is what it falls back to if it can't tell what you're usingMar 07 07:28
DaemonFCand in that case, it also falls back to it's built-in file selectorMar 07 07:29
gnufreexProblem with this sale is that Elop gets time window he needsMar 07 07:29
DaemonFCyou can force it to do this by telling it to use File Selector #4Mar 07 07:29
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 07:29
GoForbes28DaemonFC: gotchaMar 07 07:29
GoForbes28Opera's kind of an enigmaMar 07 07:29
gnufreexHe gets to sell those symbian phonesMar 07 07:29
GoForbes28on the one hand, they are proprietaryMar 07 07:29
gnufreexAnd then he don't need Qt anymoreMar 07 07:29
DaemonFCQT is 1, GTK+ is 2, KDE is 3Mar 07 07:29
GoForbes28but on the other, they fight hard for Free standardsMar 07 07:30
DaemonFCanything else is as if you selected QTMar 07 07:30
DaemonFCfor some reason 1 sometimes goes and uses KDE anyway Mar 07 07:30
DaemonFCbut 4 doesn'tMar 07 07:30
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 07:30
DaemonFCit's nice that it blends in so well thoughMar 07 07:31
DaemonFCChrome and Firefox insist on looking GTK-ish even under KDE, and using GTK file selector dialogs with mandatory double clickMar 07 07:31
DaemonFCit's kind of a wart when your whole desktop works one way except for one programMar 07 07:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Grölende Jugendliche..... :/Mar 07 07:31
gnufreexI hate single click in KDEMar 07 07:32
gnufreexFirst thing I changeMar 07 07:32
DaemonFCOpera inherits double click in KDE mimic mode if you select global double click in KDE control panelMar 07 07:32
DaemonFCI was the one that files the bug on that :)Mar 07 07:32
DaemonFC*filedMar 07 07:32
GoForbes28gnufreex: Someone was using too much Windows 98Mar 07 07:32
gnufreexI used too much gnomeMar 07 07:33
GoForbes28No, I meant the KDE developersMar 07 07:33
gnufreexI think Windows 98 has double clickMar 07 07:33
GoForbes28Windows 98, AFAIK, was the first "OS" to use the single click B.SMar 07 07:33
GoForbes28As part of the "web integration"Mar 07 07:33
GoForbes28Though I don't think it was enabled by defaultMar 07 07:34
gnufreexAhMar 07 07:34
DaemonFCOpera does not work on Windows 98 natively since version 9.62Mar 07 07:34
gnufreexI am sure it was not enableMar 07 07:34
gnufreexdMar 07 07:34
DaemonFCbut 10 and 11 work if you have KernelExMar 07 07:34
DaemonFCobviously that's not supportedMar 07 07:34
DaemonFCcould eat babiesMar 07 07:34
DaemonFCwhat the hell are you doing on Windows 98?Mar 07 07:34
GoForbes28gnufreex: Who wants to know?Mar 07 07:34
DaemonFCyada yada...Mar 07 07:34
MinceReating babies.Mar 07 07:35
GoForbes28Windows 98 is just 95 with crap built onMar 07 07:35
GoForbes28Pretty much like every Microsoft operating system since thenMar 07 07:35
gnufreexmust goMar 07 07:35
GoForbes28It's a dump, growing since '93Mar 07 07:35
gnufreexbrbMar 07 07:35
DaemonFCWindows 98 = Windows 95 OSR 2.1 with IE 4 welded on, and that will be another $99 thanks muchMar 07 07:36
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 07:36
DaemonFCIE 4 was actually the most expensive web browser ever sold if you think about it that wayMar 07 07:36
GoForbes28yepMar 07 07:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ich HASSE Karneval! !BonnMar 07 07:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: http://imgur.com/wYfOM.jpg That's pretty cheap, considering the rarity. #minecraftMar 07 07:36
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GoForbes28especially since it requires a Windows liscense to run "legally"Mar 07 07:37
DaemonFCI avoided Windows 98 like a plague, I kept my 95 OSR 2.1 disc near and dearMar 07 07:37
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 07:37
DaemonFCused that more or less all the time until 2000 came outMar 07 07:37
MinceRlolMar 07 07:37
MinceROSR2, aka 'nuke your system if you boot DOS'Mar 07 07:37
DaemonFCOSR 2.1 added FAT32 and USB support, Microsoft never sold it retailMar 07 07:38
DaemonFCthe only thing 98 had extra was IE 4Mar 07 07:38
DaemonFCthey used Windows 95's 2 GB partition limit to force upgradesMar 07 07:38
DaemonFCthe retail Windows 95 that isMar 07 07:38
MinceRdid you miss IE3? :>Mar 07 07:39
DaemonFC95 OSR 2.1 actually supported volumes up to 64 GBMar 07 07:39
GoForbes28MinceR: HAHAHHAHAHA!!!Mar 07 07:39
DaemonFCnot a limit of FAT32, a limitation of the format utilityMar 07 07:39
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 07:39
GoForbes28yepMar 07 07:39
GoForbes28Windows98 FDISKMar 07 07:39
GoForbes28vs  Windows95 fdiskMar 07 07:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Great! Just lost the colour red from my graphics card pffft! Today just gets better. :(Mar 07 07:40
DaemonFCyes, I ended up taking the format and fdisk utilities from a Windows 98 disk to get Windows 95 onto an 80 GB hard disk in one partitionMar 07 07:40
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 07:40
GoForbes28Ain't proprietary software "magical"?Mar 07 07:41
DaemonFCthey sent me a free copy of Windows Me, and I took the Defrag.exe from itMar 07 07:41
DaemonFC4 years of Drive Contents Changed....restarting was enough :)Mar 07 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Hm. Seems the @markshuttlecock @jonabacon @miguelmicasa gang is quite quiet nowadays ;-)Mar 07 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Installing Fedora 14 Xfce on the netbook to get streaming working for !LO live later.....Mar 07 07:41
GoForbes28I assumed that you threw that copy out the windows shortly thereafter?Mar 07 07:41
DaemonFCdefrag was the only thing in Windows Me that had improvedMar 07 07:42
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DaemonFCI took the upgrade and applied it to Windows 95, all 1 MB of itMar 07 07:42
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 07:42
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GoForbes28wow, how many millions in development costs, for 1mb of improvementsMar 07 07:43
DaemonFCGoForbes28, When I do use Windows it tends to be a version almost nobody else hasMar 07 07:43
GoForbes2896?Mar 07 07:44
DaemonFCjust because they do tailor it for corner cases with a lot of money and it falls into my hands via MSDN or Technet :)Mar 07 07:44
GoForbes28betas?Mar 07 07:44
DaemonFCI have every version of Windows since 1.0Mar 07 07:44
GoForbes28WowMar 07 07:44
DaemonFCsome on official media, some from ISO's from MicrosoftMar 07 07:44
GoForbes28Retaining value: 6 dollarsMar 07 07:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Let's call that #JITI - Just In Time Install ;-)Mar 07 07:45
DaemonFCMy "favorite", if one can measure these things, was Windows XP x64 EditionMar 07 07:45
DaemonFCmost people hated it but I had drivers for all my stuffMar 07 07:45
GoForbes28Why was that your favourite?Mar 07 07:45
DaemonFCit was fairly fastMar 07 07:45
MinceRbecause it has the lowest chance of supporting any piece of hwMar 07 07:46
MinceRbut he got lucky ;)Mar 07 07:46
GoForbes28ahMar 07 07:46
DaemonFCI swiped some Windows Vista drivers to use on itMar 07 07:46
GoForbes28now 64bit Windows is bloated and slow, in other words now 100% consistentMar 07 07:46
DaemonFCon my Core 2 Duo boxMar 07 07:46
MinceRat some point it wasn't?Mar 07 07:46
GoForbes28good pointMar 07 07:46
DaemonFCMicrosoft's "professional" edition is almost never as saddled with crap and slow as the consumer versionsMar 07 07:47
DaemonFCof course it costs 2-10 times as much :DMar 07 07:47
GoForbes28well they solved that problem with Windows 7Mar 07 07:47
GoForbes28Now all versions are equally bloatedMar 07 07:47
DaemonFCXP x64 reports itself as Windows NT 5.2Mar 07 07:48
DaemonFCXP was 5.1Mar 07 07:48
DaemonFCthe core OS binaries match up to Windows 2003 ServerMar 07 07:48
GoForbes28yepMar 07 07:48
GoForbes28it's windows 2003 with a different nameMar 07 07:48
DaemonFCoddly enough this Microsoft keyboard and mouse work just dandyMar 07 07:49
GoForbes28curious, do all Vista drivers work with XP 64-bit?Mar 07 07:49
DaemonFCthe kernel log even mentions them by name and model numbersMar 07 07:50
GoForbes28and why is that odd?Mar 07 07:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @markshuttlecock Here at Canonicalifornia we have a release party. Every night.Mar 07 07:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @markshuttlecock: @jwildeboer @jargon I've been scrollitizing the scrollbar.Mar 07 07:50
DaemonFCmehMar 07 07:50
MinceRthe m$ mouse around here likes to randomly scrollMar 07 07:50
MinceRso i switched back to the dHell oneMar 07 07:50
MinceRwhich tracks inaccuratelyMar 07 07:50
DaemonFCGoForbes28, Any driver that is WDM compliant should, with exceptions to network drivers if they use NDIS 6, and video drivers that use WDDMMar 07 07:50
MinceRbut it's adequate for work :>Mar 07 07:50
DaemonFCa lot of "Vista" network drivers were actually NDIS 5.1 and work fine in XPMar 07 07:51
DaemonFCespecially the early onesMar 07 07:51
DaemonFCNvidia and ATI still support Windows XP x64's WDM display driver modelMar 07 07:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Every day my desire to pelt the offices of LinkedIn with cans of spam gets harder to resist. #imnotaviolentpersonbutMar 07 07:51
DaemonFCso video is not an issueMar 07 07:51
DaemonFCyou're most likely looking at problems with webcams, (though you can tell it it is a scanner sometimes)Mar 07 07:52
DaemonFCMTP-based MP3 players (put it in MSC mode and tell Windows it's an external hard drive)Mar 07 07:52
DaemonFCand printers :)Mar 07 07:53
DaemonFCahhh, printers, evil printersMar 07 07:53
DaemonFCit works or it doesn'tMar 07 07:53
DaemonFCMinceR, There is no spoon, it is a chicken, mooooMar 07 07:53
DaemonFCB-)Mar 07 07:53
GoForbes28hehMar 07 07:54
GoForbes28enough Windows for nowMar 07 07:54
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GoForbes28I'm torn between Debian and FedoraMar 07 07:54
DaemonFCjono works hard every day to preach the merits of WindowsMar 07 07:55
DaemonFCWindows isn't brown, purple, or orangeMar 07 07:55
MinceR:>Mar 07 07:55
jonohey DaemonFCMar 07 07:55
jonohows things?Mar 07 07:55
MinceRGoForbes28: have you tried both already?Mar 07 07:55
DaemonFCit is not an animal nor an adjectiveMar 07 07:55
GoForbes28jono is a Windows nut?Mar 07 07:56
DaemonFC[ryan@ryan-desktop ~]$ uname -aMar 07 07:56
DaemonFCLinux ryan-desktop 2.6.32-71.18.1.el6.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Feb 24 10:58:03 CST 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/LinuxMar 07 07:56
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 07:56
MinceRGoForbes28: duhMar 07 07:56
MinceRGoForbes28: he advertises vista7 in his free time.Mar 07 07:56
GoForbes28MinceR: I'm tired, give me a breakMar 07 07:56
MinceRWindows™ 7 - Life Without Clue.Mar 07 07:57
DaemonFCI'm a PC, and it burns when I pee.Mar 07 07:57
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 07:57
MinceR:>Mar 07 07:57
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GoForbes28Maybe he could advertise how the HKCR registry permissions get wiped for no reasonMar 07 07:57
MinceRDaemonFC: winblows infections are a bitch.Mar 07 07:57
MinceRGoForbes28: he won't get free licenses for thatMar 07 07:58
GoForbes28Thus, laying a nice foundation for future registry damageMar 07 07:58
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GoForbes28My brother is switching to UbuntuMar 07 07:58
DaemonFCGoForbes28, I miss IRIXMar 07 07:58
DaemonFCjono, you guys should be more like IRIXMar 07 07:58
GoForbes28Irix, really?Mar 07 07:58
MinceRdead?Mar 07 07:58
DaemonFCuhhhm, sadlyMar 07 07:59
DaemonFCGoForbes28, You should see Quake III Arena on IRIXMar 07 07:59
DaemonFCB-)Mar 07 07:59
GoForbes28I knew you could run BZFlag on Irix, which is the first I heard of itMar 07 07:59
GoForbes28MinceR: I have tried Debian, but not FedoraMar 07 08:00
Diablo-D3BZFlag runs on anything with OpenGLMar 07 08:00
*DaemonFC smacks Diablo-D3 with Hover.exeMar 07 08:00
MinceRGoForbes28: then i reckon trying fedora (maybe in a VM) would help you decide :)Mar 07 08:00
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 08:00
GoForbes28Hence why it is so awesomeMar 07 08:00
GoForbes28I'm going for stablity and reliability mind youMar 07 08:01
DaemonFCHover.exe works in WineMar 07 08:01
MinceRi think debian targets those more than fedoraMar 07 08:01
DaemonFCI dug out my Windows 95 disc one day to see if it wouldMar 07 08:01
GoForbes28except Debian's older kernel doesn't seem to support the Intel GMA HDMar 07 08:01
GoForbes28it's vague what kernels support this graphics architectureMar 07 08:02
MinceRyou could upgrade the kernelMar 07 08:02
GoForbes28trueMar 07 08:02
MinceReven build your ownMar 07 08:02
DaemonFCor build your ownMar 07 08:02
MinceR:)Mar 07 08:02
DaemonFCDebian's kernel always sucks anywayMar 07 08:02
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 08:02
GoForbes28but it is blob-freeMar 07 08:02
DaemonFCso?Mar 07 08:02
GoForbes28I like the conceptMar 07 08:03
DaemonFCso do I as long as it's not a blob I needMar 07 08:03
DaemonFCthey can keep the restMar 07 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Lodahl @Mark_Antony 20% of Danish public authorities use #opensource office suite http://tinyurl.com/6h6dxhp #opensource other big nos.Mar 07 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Ayatana Overlay Scrollbars http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/ayatana-overlay-scrollbars/Mar 07 08:03
GoForbes28Plus, my laptop seems to not require blobs AFAIKMar 07 08:03
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GoForbes28atheros wireless cardMar 07 08:03
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GoForbes28JMicron ethernet?Mar 07 08:04
DaemonFCmy NIC operates as 100 Mbit without the blob but is 1 Gbit with blobMar 07 08:04
DaemonFCmy ralink wifi doesn't work without blobMar 07 08:04
DaemonFCand without blob, my radeonhd cards are framebuffer devicesMar 07 08:04
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 08:04
GoForbes28That's why I got the Intel GMA HDMar 07 08:05
GoForbes28besides, it works surprisingly wellMar 07 08:05
GoForbes28a 2008 FPS runs greatMar 07 08:05
GoForbes28Interesting: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5669/196/Mar 07 08:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Redoing the !LO #Minecraft server map generation. *sigh*Mar 07 08:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Ubuntu 11.10 Is Called The "Oneiric Ocelot": While Fedora 16 might be codenamed Bacon, Mark Shuttleworth has ann... http://bit.ly/eaEKp0Mar 07 08:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I think @th3k4ty is really digging #Minecraft. :DMar 07 08:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: RT @ElizabethMay: Change the channel on attack ads http://green.ca/lGp Please RT! #GPC #cdnpoliMar 07 08:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Liberal #UBB petition raises specter of "congestion tolls". I still see no evidence of a need for this. How do you feel?Mar 07 08:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] If election law was treated like copyright law http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/5290Mar 07 08:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] LibreOffice Conference Announced http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/libreoffice-conference-announced/Mar 07 08:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Min. of State (Americas) Peter Kent was lobbied by Canadian Labour Congress on Jan. 13 http://bit.ly/gpo0sFMar 07 08:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @lwnnet Shuttleworth: Next after Natty? http://lwn.net/Articles/431705/rssMar 07 08:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] The Mumbai suburban railway. What's there (not) to like ? ;)Mar 07 08:16
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GoForbes28gotta a test to doMar 07 08:18
GoForbes28bblMar 07 08:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @davidc "Oneiric ocelot" is trending on Twitter =) !uMar 07 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning !identicaMar 07 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] boingboing: "Canadian MP who shills for the record industry is an enthusiastic pirate" http://ur1.ca/3ez7m !copyright #cdnpoliMar 07 08:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @mdz #Nokia sells #Qt business to Digia - http://bit.ly/enbO0oMar 07 08:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @robmyers "How Facebook is Killing Your Authenticity" - http://ur1.ca/3ez0n #usegnusocialinsteadMar 07 08:25
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DaemonFCI might just stay on ELMar 07 08:26
DaemonFCit's very solidMar 07 08:26
DaemonFC(I haven't managed to crash it yet) :)Mar 07 08:26
gnufreexI tried RHEL beta 6Mar 07 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @robmyers "Nintendo reserves the right to brick your 3DS" - http://ur1.ca/3eyyr #defectivebydesignMar 07 08:26
gnufreex*RHel 6 betaMar 07 08:26
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DaemonFCI'm using Scientific Linux 6Mar 07 08:26
gnufreexIt is goodMar 07 08:26
gnufreexNo, I didn't do it on desktopMar 07 08:27
DaemonFCI'd have to say yesMar 07 08:27
gnufreexOn server at workMar 07 08:27
DaemonFCit makes a nice desktop so farMar 07 08:27
DaemonFCI have had to build a few things or swipe from Fedora :)Mar 07 08:27
DaemonFCbut overall it's goodMar 07 08:27
gnufreexComplete move to RHEL 6 will be in few monthsMar 07 08:27
YownanymousWell I'd love to stay and see more of your excellent prepared and biased propaganda, but my bullshit alarm is winding up. So good day gentlemen.Mar 07 08:28
gnufreexat workMar 07 08:28
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gnufreexwho is that dick?Mar 07 08:28
DaemonFCit's a rhelatively good distro :)Mar 07 08:28
DaemonFChe's from LinsuxMar 07 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Tor 0.2.1.30 is released: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-02130-releasedMar 07 08:30
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gnufreexStrange, I usually always recognise all their nicksMar 07 08:30
gnufreexbut I don't know this oneMar 07 08:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Nokia's Not-so-cute #Qt Move - http://bit.ly/iccnyQ time to dig out that #fork from the back of the drawer? #opensourceMar 07 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Liberal MP Dan McTeague: Repeat Copyright Infringer? - http://bit.ly/f5TR4M why are fair use enemies often the copyright hypocrites?Mar 07 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Upstart 1.0 Released http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/upstart-1-0-released/Mar 07 08:35
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DaemonFClooks like I'll build Transmission 2.13Mar 07 08:37
DaemonFCthat's the newest I can go with the libevent library I have :)Mar 07 08:37
MinceRGlyn Moody has a good point thereMar 07 08:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @glynmoody: #Nokia's Not-so-cute #Qt Move - http://bit.ly/iccnyQ time to dig out that #fork from the back of the drawer? #opensourceMar 07 08:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @marjoleink @support !sr fixiebike ID 393695 4 avg blatant group spam, please kill immediately!Mar 07 08:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Liberal MP Dan McTeague: Repeat Copyright Infringer? - http://bit.ly/f5TR4M why are fair use enemies often the copyright h ...Mar 07 08:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Google Implements API to Combat Fragmentation http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/google-api-to-combat-fragmentation/Mar 07 08:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Lybia: Ghaddafi has not used a nuke, does not own a nuke, and has never been near a nuke, but I link to this anyhow http://ur1.ca/3ezg2Mar 07 08:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Breaktime over... I must get !mynovel done today so back to the word mines... enjoy your #cupoftea @kevie, & watch those spirits @maloki :)Mar 07 08:46
DaemonFC   Build Mac client:                                  noMar 07 08:47
DaemonFCheheMar 07 08:47
DaemonFCnot even for MinceR Mar 07 08:47
DaemonFCit built, it worksMar 07 08:50
DaemonFCcool B-)Mar 07 08:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @mathewi @leetrout: Just as darkness is the absence of light Charlie Sheen is the absence of Chuck Norris >>oooh, deep...Mar 07 08:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google.com occasionally redirecting (http 302) to www.google.com.hk?Mar 07 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] 8gb #Sanza Clip+ for £40 new from #Amazon? http://tighturl.com/2zn9 that must be a good dealMar 07 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] EFF Sends Letter to Sony in Defense of Hackers http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/eff-letter-in-defense-of-hackers/Mar 07 08:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the 2gb Sanza Clip+ is like £35Mar 07 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] PORRA!!! Recuperar a treta da senha para o IRS é um filme!!! Sei lá qual foi a resposta à pergunta?!!Mar 07 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Parece que tem de se enviar mail a cancelar a actual e registar novamente após eles enviarem mail.... senhas@dgci.min-financas.ptMar 07 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] Coming in 2.6.38 (Part 5) - #Architecture, #infrastructure and #virtualisation http://h-online.com/-1202216 #scheduler #thp #acpi #securityMar 07 08:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] more "cyberdefence" nonsense, this time in #France - http://bit.ly/fCUkPP dumping #Windows would be more efficacious & cheaper (v @manhack)Mar 07 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] that'd be a funny idea for a site, the RSPTB one, with a whole charter of rights to Tea biccies, welcoming non-Tea biccy members etcMar 07 08:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Scientific Linux 6.0 Released http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/scientific-linux-6-0-released/Mar 07 09:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Working hard on notes for tonight's !LO.Mar 07 09:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thomaszander/@thomaszander] Triaging !koffice bugs, seems like it hasn't been done in 5 or more years... !kdeMar 07 09:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[timbl/@timbl] RT @DirDigEng @bethnoveck Finland commits in principle to make public data available #opendata #gov20 http://bit.ly/egUPEEMar 07 09:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] French Court Tosses Ridiculous Criminal Complaint By Israeli Against An American Over Book Review By A German - http://bit.ly/hDePfu phewMar 07 09:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @phylogenomics Come on #Nature - how hard is it to fix promised free access for #genome papers? #FreeThePapers #fb http://ff.im/-zma92Mar 07 09:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] DataStore – an abstraction layer for storing data and processing requests http://bit.ly/eSBjwBMar 07 09:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @AndyPPUK @the_MPA asks 'who would invest in an industry that competes with free?' in #Hargreaves submission. Ever heard of bottled H2O?Mar 07 09:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] The DoJ is Looking into Anti-WebM Moves by MPEG LA http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/doj-anti-webm-by-mpeg-la/Mar 07 09:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I have a feeling that today's !lo will be on time and there will be absolutely no delays whatsoeverMar 07 09:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] is anything - like new uploads - happening in the Sid repo right now, !Debian? getting annoying "hash mismatch" errorsMar 07 09:23
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gnufreexEvery shuttlewroth's explanation for name of new release leaves me wtf.Mar 07 09:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pmctechblog/@pmctechblog] Interesting short article: Why !Linux is the most important software project in history: http://is.gd/udUDzCMar 07 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra I doubt it. I already am quite behind with everything. CC @methoddanMar 07 09:25
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gnufreexOneiric Ocelot is double wtfMar 07 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh yea, well tell that to the guy who has a dentist appointment at the same time as the show. Oh, you just did. #painMar 07 09:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Wearing blown-out old sneakers because my current pair is wet. Sort of nostalgic for the good times these Adidas and I had. #sniffMar 07 09:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Condemned to Joy - http://bit.ly/h1B4DF "we are probably the first society in history to make people unhappy for not being happy" (v @gnat)Mar 07 09:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] The DPL on the Influence of Debian http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/influence-of-debian/Mar 07 09:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @lxnews The DPL on the Influence of Debian http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/influence-of-debian/Mar 07 09:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @sixgun The !LinuxOutlaws live recording will probably start a bit later today, we still have stuff to prepare. We'll be in the IRC f ...Mar 07 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Intel Sandy Bridge VA-API Performance: There have been a number of Intel Sandy Bridge articles on Phoronix since... http://bit.ly/hjpZ0RMar 07 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] GCC 4.6 Is Only Four Bugs Away From An RC: While it's taken a while to clear out the most prominent bugs/regress... http://bit.ly/gw6b5TMar 07 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @iurie: Eben Moglen explains the #FreedomBox on CBS Evening News - http://videobin.org/v/4/44z.oggMar 07 09:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @zittrain @scottros US Supreme Court will hear Golan case, challenging return public domain materials to (c) http://bit.ly/gIH6Ly >>fabMar 07 09:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @jwildeboer: ♺ @sparks: "I need to upgrade my laptop from #Ubuntu to #Fedora today." #overheardinmyoffice < *EvilGrin*Mar 07 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Keeping !crunchbang for the time being; it may change my mind about !debianMar 07 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms 447 tser : Hurai is thinking perhaps I'm a changeling. http://bit.ly/ey663O #amwriting #Chevenga #weblitMar 07 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[hisdudeness/@hisdudeness] #Manning "...the underwear was taken away from him as a precaution to ensure that he did not injure himself" !wl !hrw http://is.gd/4xZiapMar 07 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What is Open Foresight? - http://bit.ly/hVdMgv "to analyze complex issues in an open and collaborative way"Mar 07 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Legally binding e-documents: #Germany pushes secure email - http://bit.ly/hhauli "Ministry of the Interior is backing the scheme": you betMar 07 09:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Climate, #Mind and Behavior Program - http://bit.ly/idPjAx interesting approach (v @dcarli)Mar 07 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Patent Woes Threaten #Drug Firms - http://bit.ly/f47asJ expiration of intellectual monopolies are cause for celebration, not mourning...Mar 07 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: RT @AndyPPUK @the_MPA asks 'who would invest in an industry that competes with free?' .... Ever heard of bottled H2O?Mar 07 09:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: more "cyberdefence" nonsense, this time in #France - http://bit.ly/fCUkPP dumping #Windows would be more efficacious & cheaperMar 07 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @jwildeboer: Seems german company Gamma/Elaman sold some nasty spy SW to #Egyp SS - PDF here http://ur1.ca/3exwu via http://ur1.ca/3exwvMar 07 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @ruiseabra: ♺ @karsten: European public administrations "needlessly spending millions" due to software vendor lock-in http://ur1.ca/3e6pmMar 07 09:58
gnufreexexactly what i feared http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2011/03/nokias-not-so-cute-qt-move/index.htmMar 07 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: RT @Lodahl @Mark_Antony 20% of Danish public authorities use #opensource office suite http://tinyurl.com/6h6dxhp #opensource...Mar 07 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: EU governments could save millions by using #opensource on desktop - http://bit.ly/e2y03b interesting stats in paper...Mar 07 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @boycottnovell: Linux Has Domination, Microsoft Has Vapourware http://ur1.ca/3ewdb #vaporware #windows8Mar 07 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Moving beyond the #Microsoft #monoculture - http://bit.ly/hcL7Nq it's the end of an era - but problems will linger onMar 07 10:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Xonotic Nexuiz-Fork Celebrates Its First Anniversary: Xonotic, a fork of the Nexuiz game, is celebrating its... http://bit.ly/ghjZMrMar 07 10:10
Diablo-D3GOPHSERV — cross-platform, GPLv3, FreeBASIC.Mar 07 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @sixgun The !LinuxOutlaws #Minecraft server is back up. We have also fixed map rendering but some glitches in the visuals still remain...Mar 07 10:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Upgrade your graphics drivers for best results with Firefox 4 http://mzl.la/ejRUyRMar 07 10:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Crank up voltage. Watch plastics crack (Futurity.org): http://bit.ly/fzHuSPMar 07 10:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @lxoliva I think it is harmful to call all those things open core since we need term open core to use it against real open core companies.Mar 07 10:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @lxoliva And it is no fun when they point back to your "linux is open core" articleMar 07 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @lxoliva Those three things (open core, blobs, and proprietary re-licensing) are all harmful but not to the same extent.Mar 07 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @lxoliva So they need to be called differently.Mar 07 10:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @lxnews: The DoJ is Looking into Anti-WebM Moves by MPEG LA http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/doj-anti-webm-by-mpeg-la/Mar 07 10:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Unity 3.6.2 has been released: http://ur1.ca/3f0g7Mar 07 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Has !GNOME rejected !Canonical help? http://ur1.ca/3f0itMar 07 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Canonical Design blog: That’s it, we’re quitting http://ur1.ca/3f0kqMar 07 10:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Scientific !Linux 6.0 has been released: http://ur1.ca/3f0l6Mar 07 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity source package is in #Natty http://ur1.ca/3f0luMar 07 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Monday http://lwn.net/Articles/431809/rssMar 07 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] brilliant, hackers managing to unban modded #PS3s while banning unmodded PS3s http://tighturl.com/2znc #hilarious #cat #mouseMar 07 10:55
DaemonFCI got Clementine to build on SL 6 with some libs from FedoraMar 07 10:56
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 10:56
gnufreexwhy not just use fedora?Mar 07 10:59
DaemonFCbecause I like a challenge :)Mar 07 11:01
gnufreexHmm. Scientist!Mar 07 11:02
gnufreex:-)Mar 07 11:02
DaemonFCI almost have Pidgin ready to buildMar 07 11:02
DaemonFCI've had to do some..... modificationsMar 07 11:02
DaemonFCbut I think it will accept my system here shortlyMar 07 11:02
DaemonFCI got Transmission built :)Mar 07 11:02
gnufreexIf you tested it well, see if you can submit it to epelMar 07 11:03
gnufreexbut you would need to test it aganst CentOS too.Mar 07 11:03
gnufreexSince SL is not 100% carbon copy.Mar 07 11:03
DaemonFCSauerbraten works fineMar 07 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Frantically compiling the notes for the !LO live show in a bit....Mar 07 11:03
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @ubuntudesigners That’s it, we’re quitting: http://design.canonical.com/2011/03/quit/Mar 07 11:03
DaemonFCI've also built Firefox 4Mar 07 11:03
gnufreexNo proprietary drivers?Mar 07 11:03
gnufreexI mean, you don't use it?Mar 07 11:04
DaemonFCI have Catalyst 11.2 right nowMar 07 11:04
gnufreexeh crap. I hoped it works withoutMar 07 11:04
DaemonFCI'm sure I could backport Mesa and X.org if I really felt like itMar 07 11:04
DaemonFC2d acceleration works fineMar 07 11:04
DaemonFCIf I was going to go to that much trouble I would just use FedoraMar 07 11:05
DaemonFCAtRPMs gave me a new ALSA lib Mar 07 11:06
DaemonFCthat's kind of distrurbingMar 07 11:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I want !Minecraft on the !PS3.Mar 07 11:06
DaemonFCI'm only really concerned with having the latest versions of a few thingsMar 07 11:08
DaemonFCit really makes more sense to just maintain those myself than use an entire distribution of untested crapMar 07 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Most gratuitous use of the word 'Belgium' in a documentary http://ur1.ca/3f0ugMar 07 11:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[peterb/@peterb] My last day at the FSF. Congratulations to John Sullivan the new ED: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/peterbMar 07 11:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Microsoft Death Watch - Forbes Weighs In - http://bit.ly/hDGJcw #microsoft #tabletMar 07 11:20
DaemonFCgnufreex, also, compiling network-facing software yourself can have advantages, such as being able to enable security options like stack protectionMar 07 11:20
DaemonFCthough Red Hat is already good about thatMar 07 11:20
DaemonFCUbuntu isn'tMar 07 11:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thistleweb: brilliant, hackers unban modded #PS3s while banning unmodded PS3s http://tighturl.com/2znc #hilarious #cat #mouseMar 07 11:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RD @danto !Ryzom is now #FreeToPlay http://forums.ryzom.com/showthread.php?t=35224 #mmorpg !gnu #agpl | Thanks for the bday present, ryzom!Mar 07 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @peterb: My last day at the FSF. Congratulations to John Sullivan the new ED: http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/peterbMar 07 11:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Is the Navy Trying to Start the Robot Apocalypse? (Wired): http://bit.ly/dYeApwMar 07 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] If I thought that last week was busy, it was because I have not experienced the one ahead yet. Looks promising :-/Mar 07 11:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: The Linux Outlaws are live now with the pre-show: http://linuxoutlaws.com/live !loMar 07 11:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is akbarnasr with 116 dents!Mar 07 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Doing another !LO wohoooooooooooooooo!!!!Mar 07 11:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] FSF announces new executive director -- http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-announces-new-executive-director -- !fsf !gnu !dbd !lpMar 07 11:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] RT @fsf FSF announces new executive director -- http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-announces-new-executive-director -- !fsf !gnu !dbd !lpMar 07 12:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @zach Bugs me when people bitch about Facebook and Twitter but wont even make the slightest, tiny effort to use or support the open web.Mar 07 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @fsf FSF announces new executive director -- http://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-announces-new-executive-director -- !fsf !gnu !dbd !lpMar 07 12:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @johnsu01 congratulations!Mar 07 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh you're kiddin', is that the next Ubuntu name? obstuse obscurity, erm..I mean whatever that ohnoes one wasMar 07 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @cwebber Seeing ./__MACOSX/ in FOSS-containing archives makes me go =_= #petpeeveMar 07 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thistleweb: @fabsh you're kiddin', is that the next Ubuntu name? obstuse obscurity, erm..I mean whatever that ohnoes one wasMar 07 12:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Ubuntu 11.11 - Obtuse Obscurity #sarcasmenabledMar 07 12:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @thistleweb: @fabsh you're kiddin', is that the next Ubuntu name? obstuse obscurity, erm..I mean whatever that ohnoes one wasMar 07 12:21
GoForbes28"Ubuntu 11.11 - Obtuse Obscurity"?Mar 07 12:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva it's not an additional restriction, it's an agreement where you waive some of your rights in exchange for the service.Mar 07 12:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva That's ok by me, if my clients always changed stuff I make I'd need to charge a whole lot more.Mar 07 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Is copyright enforcement effective or counterproductive? SSRC releases landmark empirical study of media piracy: https://eff.org/r.z7yMar 07 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] actually Obstinate Orangutan suits the Librarian better now I think about it #DiscworldMar 07 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[invi/@invi] !fotolibre !softwarelibre !nolesvotes !wikileaks ¿Acceso a la cultura y la educación? http://ur1.ca/3f1i1Mar 07 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] some distro should adopt #Discworld as their naming schemeMar 07 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva what is really unfortunate is the *threat* language. It's not nice and irks a lot some people (like me, a lot, because I like RH).Mar 07 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Cthon98 rocks! http://bash.org/?244321Mar 07 12:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] whoo, turns out my appointment tomorrow is MUCH closer than I thoughtMar 07 12:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] forgot to announce !linuxlibre 2.6.32.31-libre2-lemote for !yeeloong !gnewsense, with a bunch of additional driversMar 07 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The best Web security against hackers and spammers: advanced math! (LA TImes): http://lat.ms/g1JsY8Mar 07 12:56
gnufreexhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/07/uspto_overhaul/Mar 07 13:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @mv Farmers to Show Solidarity with Wis. Public Employees http://bit.ly/gFPOA7 !wisconsin !ilm #farmersMar 07 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh doing an Ass To Mouth show? is that a special episode? or a pilot for a new Sixbum Productions show? ;PMar 07 13:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @carlopiana: @peterb best wishes and thanks for your time and dedication to Free Software.Mar 07 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Considering buying an e-reader based on e-ink. Suggestions,!Lazyweb?Mar 07 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh god! The netbook winner is from Australia! The shipping will kill my bank account! OoMar 07 13:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @alexanderhanff I hate doing things last minute but have to find a hotel in Brussels near BEUC's office for tomorrow night. PLS HELPMar 07 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @thistleweb @carlopiana to @peterb: best wishes and thanks for your time and dedication to Free SoftwareMar 07 13:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Kik Messenger adds group chat and photos for !Android & iOS users http://goo.gl/MHUg7Mar 07 13:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva the purpose of an NDA is the ND. The purpose of the agreement is two fold: reduce support cost and maximise proffit.Mar 07 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] At a Wisconsin Town Hall, the Mood Turns Against Compromise - Natasha Vargas-Cooper - Politics - The Atlantic http://ow.ly/49CmBMar 07 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Thrilled about the new job, sad to lose @peterb. Thanks for all the kind words from everyone. http://ur1.ca/3f197Mar 07 13:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya seems to be an opportunity for every foreign politician to give a rare airing to their "values" #hypocricyMar 07 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya seems to be an opportunity for every foreign politician to give a rare airing to their "values" #hypocrisyMar 07 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: We're a proud sponsor of the very first #confkdein - http://kde.in/conf/ -- Are you attending?Mar 07 13:33
GoForbes28I love the comments at http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110306/22010113374/hackers-claim-they-can-unban-banned-ps3s-while-banning-unmodded-ps3s.shtml#commentsMar 07 13:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Kasvopus - Facebook client for Maemo, MeeGo and Symbian ^3: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7102Mar 07 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @danielmarti: I don't see why people are so concerned about Gnome 3.0. It's not that bad, and its appearance hasn't changed for yearsMar 07 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: qvdremote - use your N900 as a TCP/IP remote for VDR server: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7104Mar 07 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @alexanderhanff Hotel now booked thanks for the suggestions everyone.Mar 07 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @mwkn: Community: Nominations open for #Maemo Community Council election http://is.gd/659Bu9 #maemoMar 07 13:38
GoForbes28Either they are corporatrolls, or very very ignorant peopleMar 07 13:39
GoForbes28The ones arguing the Sony victim B.SMar 07 13:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Why have I got a dogfight going on in the middle of my living room?Mar 07 13:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Crowd-Sourcing System Requirements For Free Software: When purchasing commercial software for Windows and Mac OS... http://bit.ly/fVh9TZMar 07 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @susanamas: Whistleblower site 'Québecleaks' to launch Wednesday RT http://t.co/12YI0xq via @cyberpresseMar 07 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thistleweb: actually Obstinate Orangutan suits the Librarian better now I think about it #DiscworldMar 07 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Memory_Project: Featured Veteran: MARGARET GUILDFORD Signing up to work overseas as a nurse http://fb.me/Rw95HPCZMar 07 13:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Agriculture Min. Gerry Ritz was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/eOUWLA #?????Mar 07 13:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: York Regional Police aka York Pork get Rolling Fortress: http://bit.ly/gcO8Z1 #areyoufuckingkiddingme? #WTF? #acabMar 07 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Bloc's terms for C-32 support: extend levy, no fair dealing for education, no change on broadcast ephemeral http://is.gd/PdnzFwMar 07 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonQC: "I almost can't believe I'm witnessing this. We're inside the fortress of terror in Egypt" http://bit.ly/hVQiiQ #Egypt #StasiMar 07 13:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva because what you loose in the case of support contracts is support contract. "We don't hold your hand anymore".Mar 07 14:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva It's nasty, but doesn't remove freedom. And I'm sure it's more oriented towards being able to be used on abusers rather than alwaysMar 07 14:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Costa-Rica WikiLeaks, What a scandal! http://alturl.com/xohb9 !wlMar 07 14:01
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DaemonFCChatzilla is working again (had to apply a patch though)Mar 07 14:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Gods of Tech | Culture | Vanity Fair http://ow.ly/49Eib « No one will agree entirely with this listMar 07 14:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva An NDA is a contract, but one whose purpose is to hide information.Mar 07 14:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I just donated 10 Euro to the !lo to help cover shipping costs of sending a netbook to someone not named jezra ;)Mar 07 14:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Nigerian Supreme Court judges took bribes to validate Yar'Adua/Jonathan election http://is.gd/rSo1PI !wlMar 07 14:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] cue the carriers whining to the regulators to get this banned http://tighturl.com/2znv competition eh? that's not part of the planMar 07 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] ‘There will be consequences’ for Manning’s mistreatment, Kucinich warns Sec. Gates http://is.gd/Wy625Z !wlMar 07 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Wow, !unity 3.6.2 is reeally fast...Mar 07 14:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] I don't recommend people discuss their friends relationship troubles on the busMar 07 14:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I can't wait the day I can upgrade all of my machines to #natty...Mar 07 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Writing this from a #triangletransit busMar 07 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How Kenya rejected America’s ICC plot | Nation http://is.gd/cE3R9S !wlMar 07 14:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva it's cancelled if you do something wrong (like paying for support on X servers and using that support on much more than that).Mar 07 14:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] now using stock !debian !emacs on !crunchbang; !gnus not using authinfo fileMar 07 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva I agree.Mar 07 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Leaked !Android app has cloud sync for rooted phones. Are we closer to Google Music launch? http://goo.gl/xik7bMar 07 14:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Estarei na Manifestação Geração à Rasca este Sábado, dia 12 de Março. E tu? Os protestos são válidos, e não apenas de uma única geração.Mar 07 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Linux is losing the race to the #tablet - http://tek.io/gXdn4R yeah, just like android lost the race to the smartphone...Mar 07 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: 'Kirchners, allies react with fury and paranoia' http://is.gd/8gHKiD !wlMar 07 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #HawkEye firm sold to #Sony http://tighturl.com/2znxMar 07 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @rms Urgent: Support defunding of War in Afghanistan http://ur1.ca/3f2fbMar 07 14:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Zombels... Zombels. Zombelling free... Zombels, underground...Mar 07 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Vote rigging in Nigera http://is.gd/NVLOH3 !wlMar 07 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Liliputing: How to run Ubuntu Linux on the Motorola XOOM tablet http://ping.fm/ddC4vMar 07 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: Every time I lose a follower, deep in my heart, I believe they have been eaten by a Grue.Mar 07 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Linux is losing the race to the #tablet - http://tek.io/gXdn4R yeah, just like android lost the race to the smartphone... (via @glynmoody)Mar 07 14:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks: Saudi princes engage in sex, drug parties http://alturl.com/cb7am !wlMar 07 14:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Running yum updated on the freshly installed F14 Xfce netbook. Yup. 413 updates.Mar 07 14:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] “America is not broke”- Michael Moore - http://bit.ly/ijkQxF "400 Americans have the same wealth as half of all Americans combined."Mar 07 14:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Arctic ice loss moves phytoplankton peak up to 50 days early, could “lead to crashes of the food web” - http://bit.ly/iiNazH good idea, no?Mar 07 14:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK. Off to bed.... Will probably be a busy day tomorrow....Mar 07 14:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @glynmoody: Arctic ice loss moves phytoplankton peak up to 50 days early, could “lead to crashes of the food web” - http://bit.ly/iiNazHMar 07 15:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @dduane: :) RT @janecpb Charlie Sheen fired from 2.5 Men. Gadhafi, you're next!Mar 07 15:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: “America is not broke” Michael Moore http://bit.ly/ijkQxF 400 Americans have the same wealth as half of all Americans combinedMar 07 15:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] 15 Must-Have Linux Desktop Apps (Datamation) http://lwn.net/Articles/431888/rssMar 07 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] wow. simply wow. 400 people who even received money from the 2008 bailouts have as much wealth as 155 million americans combined. WOW.Mar 07 15:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] PWN2OWN Goes Deep to Exploit Browsers http://twurl.nl/1l7esi via @WebUpd8 « Still struggling with ChromeMar 07 15:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Inhumanity at Quantico http://alturl.com/5p6xj !wlMar 07 15:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Open Web Platform Weekly Summary - 2011-02-28 - 2011-03-06 http://ow.ly/1bEUJvMar 07 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] New cables from Moscow, Stockholm, Nairobi, Kyiv, Bogata, Tallinn http://alturl.com/69zsb !wlMar 07 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] My current !book is A short history of Ireland (re-reading actually)Mar 07 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RD Workers Under Attack Will Tell Their Stories to Congressional Hearing http://bit.ly/eq9NBd via@mvMar 07 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Stable kernels 2.6.32.33 and 2.6.37.3 http://lwn.net/Articles/431893/rssMar 07 15:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Regulating against Public Interest: !CRTC approves BCE takeover of CTV http://ur1.ca/3f36k < why CRTC needs to be dissolved #cdnpoli !CanadaMar 07 15:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Enterprise distributions and free software http://lwn.net/Articles/431854/rssMar 07 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Mexican #police chief fired after reportedly fleeing to US http://ur1.ca/3f370 #Addiction=medical problem; #Legalize=cartels go brokeMar 07 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] I need a bigger tortilla!Mar 07 15:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lamm #Mexican #police chief fired after reportedly fleeing to US http://ur1.ca/3f370 #Addiction=medical problem; #Legalize=cartels g ...Mar 07 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @gamambel RT @telecomix: journalists may register 4 free. We teach you skills to prevent censorship and surveillance: http://www.rsf- ...Mar 07 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Anybody know where I can find grande tortillas in #durham or Chapel Hill, #north_carolina ?Mar 07 15:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ RT @telecomix: journalists may register 4 free. We teach you skills to prevent censorship and surveillance http://ur1.ca/3f3p8 <englishMar 07 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Ah to be in Geneva 12 MARS 2011 4 the WORLD DAY AGAINST CYBER-CENSORSHIP ... we need this maybe even more in the so-called 'free world' !wlMar 07 16:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] #NC bill H.129 to stifle #google fiber in #triangle: TWC trying to crush free market. let your rep know it's not OK: http://bit.ly/eoQerFMar 07 16:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Pics of #Immortal concert in Chicago posted on #gnewbook. http://ur1.ca/3f498 !CC BY SA #blackmetal #heavymetalMar 07 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rlyehbob: Ah, poor Gaddafi. He denied Cthulhu, and now he's paying the piper, the piper at the gates of Sarnath #evilchuckleMar 07 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Natural Resources Min. Christian Paradis was lobbied by Hydro-Quebec on Sep. 14 http://bit.ly/dFeT2oMar 07 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @atopiary: That's right, media, AnonNews is run by the US government. We're all CIA, Santa is real, and we took the tooth fairy hostage.Mar 07 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms : The second sack of Arko, and, an Arkan writes. http://bit.ly/ey663O #Chevenga #weblit #reading #fantasyMar 07 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Senator Durbin's opinion piece on the ups, downs, and human rights obligations of U.S. tech companies overseas: https://eff.org/r.z7zMar 07 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Egypt faces new turmoil: Looted state security files | McClatchy http://is.gd/r0lMlM !wlMar 07 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] *In #kungfu flick voice* Your site's annoying ads are no match for my #Adblock Plus style! *evil lol* adblockplus.org #FirefoxMar 07 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @quaid #Android as a talking-guide for visually impaired - Eyes-Free Android: Walking About With A Talking Android http://bit.ly/fB82yTMar 07 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lamm *In #kungfu flick voice* Your site's annoying ads are no match for my #Adblock Plus style! *evil lol* adblockplus.org #FirefoxMar 07 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter RT @atopiary: That's right, media, AnonNews is run by the US government. We're all CIA, Santa is real, and we took the ...Mar 07 16:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter go get 'em!Mar 07 16:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] < back to final proofing !mynovelMar 07 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Supreme Court to hear Golan, an important case testing Congressional limits on removing works from the public domain: https://eff.org/r.1z2Mar 07 16:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @eff Senator Durbin's opinion piece on the ups, downs, and human rights obligations of U.S. tech companies overseas: https://eff.org/ ...Mar 07 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @eff Supreme Court to hear Golan, an important case testing Congressional limits on removing works from the public domain: https://ef ...Mar 07 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] 100 days of Cablegate: http://alturl.com/5a7t3 !wlMar 07 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Sam Varghese has a level headed and accurate report on things, as always. http://ur1.ca/3f56gMar 07 17:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] A Mind Forever VoyagingMar 07 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Why I wouldn't live in the United States - and I'm a man: http://bit.ly/gt4FNxMar 07 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 445 Minis believes he is a sinner all over again. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #Minis #fantasy #scifi #readingMar 07 17:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] In an ethereal voice Reeta proclaimed, “The Goddess provides what the Goddess wills." #AmwritingMar 07 18:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @GuidoPuddi: US probes #Anonymous plans for attack on marines http://twurl.nl/5pw7kiMar 07 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Or maybe that should have been #Anonymous probes #US plans for attack on marines http://twurl.nl/5pw7kiMar 07 18:21
oiaohmhttp://drdobbs.com/windows/229300501  hmm interestingMar 07 18:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] just saw a Mini E...just saw a Mini E... http://is.gd/5Dkr09 http://is.gd/RcleFnMar 07 18:30
Ender2070http://www.infowars.com/michael-moores-communist-rhetoric-distracts-from-crimes-of-the-banksters/Mar 07 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @jospoortvliet @speeddefrost Canonical is about as relevant as Xandros/Linspire were - had users but few contributions, no long term ...Mar 07 18:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @fukawi2: Keep it up longer..... Use #linux #innuendoMar 07 18:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] when #Windows has an update that it NEEDS to reboot now, why was that update held back for Patch Tuesday?Mar 07 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if that #Windows patch wasn't so vital that it could be held back, why the urgency for an immediate reboot?Mar 07 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Windows is a strange world, where you click START to STOP your machine, among many other quirksMar 07 19:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @lohang: Women Writers on Adelaide ebooks: In celebration of International Women's Day, 2011 http://ur1.ca/3f5zm #ebooksMar 07 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] RT @beefymiracle BEHOLD!!!! #fedoraMar 07 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jamesm/@jamesm] Interesting visualization of attack on a VOIP server - http://is.gd/aOyPnrMar 07 19:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] OSI Board thanks outgoing FSF Executive Director Peter Brown for his work: http://wmk.me/eDxW65Mar 07 19:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Tell Congress to Rein in #PATRIOTAct and Restore JUSTICE! https://eff.org/r.4z3Mar 07 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] It's international womens day! Thanks ladies for all your loveMar 07 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @beefymiracle BEHOLD!!!! !fedora < *sighs* be serious... and besides miracles already happened http://is.gd/rOoYEYMar 07 20:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jospoortvliet http://bit.ly/eIAOLQ this post scares me - something is going wrong and I feel Mark is genuinely worried here... !gnomeMar 07 20:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] #crisisavertedMar 07 20:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: Judge Gross Approves Sale of SCO's Assets to UnXis; Gives Novell 14 Days to Appeal - http://bit.ly/gI5RL7 #SCOMar 07 20:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter my kid dragged me away from the computer & forced me to watch "Second Hand Lions"... so I'm running behind, but rejuvenatedMar 07 20:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] the movie was fabulous btw :D favorite !q from deleted scene they shouldn't have, "Every man needs a hobby"~ M. Caine ... now back to workMar 07 21:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @evgenymorozov: So Zuckerberg's puppy can have its own Facebook page but Chinese dissidents using pseudonyms are out ...Mar 07 21:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] I too was looking for rebels. But I was looking for them among the village headmen up in the hills. #amwritingMar 07 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Or rather #waswriting - #amgoingtobedbeforeturnintoapumpkin and if that makes sense to U, I have a 2 for 1 deal on Climate Change scientistsMar 07 21:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @DemocracyCanada: CBC 'Question of the Day' on banning attack ads - 80% support: http://bit.ly/hOV8jD #cdnpoli #GPC /@elizabethmayMar 07 21:16
Ender2070so much for madhatter being right wingMar 07 21:25
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Ender2070what a liarMar 07 21:25
Ender2070welcome to the no-fact zoneMar 07 21:31
Ender2070http://madhatter.ca/2011/02/27/the-great-climate-change-conspiracy/Mar 07 21:31
Ender2070http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.htmlMar 07 21:33
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Ender2070"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill." - The Club of Rome, The First Global RevolutionMar 07 21:37
Ender2070Al Gore – former VP of the USA, leading climate change campaigner, Nobel Peace Prize winner, Academy Award winner, Emmy winner. Gore lead the US delegations to the Rio Earth Summit and Kyoto Climate Change conference. He chaired a meeting of the full Club of Rome held in Washington DC in 1997.Mar 07 21:37
Ender2070Maurice Strong – former Head of the UN Environment Programme, Chief Policy Advisor to Kofi Annan, Secretary General of the Rio Earth Summit, co-author (with Gorbachev) of the Earth Charter, co-author of the Kyoto Protocol, founder of the Earth Council, devout Baha’i. Mar 07 21:38
Ender2070Mikhail Gorbachev – CoR executive member, former President of the Soviet Union, founder of Green Cross International and the Gorbachev Foundation, Nobel Peace Prize winner, co-founder (with Hidalgo) of the Club of Madrid, co-author (with Strong) of the Earth Charter.Mar 07 21:38
Ender2070David Rockefeller – CoR executive member, former Chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank, founder of the Trilateral Commission, executive member of the World Economic Forum, donated land on which the United Nations stands.Mar 07 21:38
Ender2070Bill Gates – founder of Microsoft, philanthropist Mar 07 21:38
Ender2070A few members or people who helped the Club of RomeMar 07 21:38
Ender2070:PMar 07 21:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Gone are the days when all-nighters were possible based on willpower alone. Will finish proofing tomorrow when I can see straight. !editMar 07 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] goodnight !identica #amsleeping zzzzzMar 07 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I think it is time for us to once again focus on breaking up concentrated corporate power, including ending corporate personhood.Mar 07 22:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Hard time dealing with the stifling boredom at work. I can feel my brain going flabby.Mar 07 22:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.37.3-libre and 2.6.32.32-libre2 now availableMar 07 22:38
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twitterHappy Mardi GrasMar 07 22:45
twitterIt looks like the slaughter of QT has started. Mar 07 22:45
twitterPJ picked up the sale of QT licensing and other business to another company.Mar 07 22:46
twitterhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Nokia-sells-off-commercial-and-services-arm-of-Qt-1203210.htmlMar 07 22:46
twitter-> Nokia has announced that it is selling the commercial licensing and professional services arm of its Qt group to Digia, a Finnish services and software company. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. Nokia plans to retain all the core development, and copyright, of the Qt framework and continue development, but the business of selling Qt under its commercial licence and supporting those customers will be transferred to Digia - Nokia doesMar 07 22:47
twitter [PJ: Remember SCO telling the court that in  SCO v. Novell that no one ever sells a business without the copyrights? Heh heh. It seems it does happen, eh?] Mar 07 22:47
twitterIn a typical Microsoft Press assault, details are obscure but all the Microsoft friendly press are on it at once.Mar 07 22:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @flameeyes I have a PRS-505, lovely for novels and business books, sucks for techbooks... I've seen the EeeReader, looks nicer for those.Mar 07 22:48
twitterI have deep suspicions of the deal, not the least of which is that this cuts Nokia off from commercial feedback and creates further complexity that will make QT more costly. Mar 07 22:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] some people should just stick with drinking teaMar 07 22:50
twitterThe QT blog has lots of comments, many worried about things like how close Digia is to Microsoft.Mar 07 22:51
twitterhttp://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together/Mar 07 22:51
twittera quick search finds plenty of tie up, including .NET praise ... Mar 07 22:51
twitterhttp://www.digia.fi/C2256FEF0043E9C1/0/405001024Mar 07 22:51
twitterhttp://www.digia.com/C2256FEF0043E9C1/0/405000758Mar 07 22:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Best wishes to all women. :-) #8marchMar 07 22:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] What’s up with SUMO – Mar. 7 http://bit.ly/elz5aUMar 07 22:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #kernel 2.6.38-rc8 http://bit.ly/f87FBH "I would have been ok with releasing this as the final 38, but[...]So please keep testing,"Mar 07 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Now out: Linux #stable 2.6.37.3 http://bit.ly/e9EeSM and Linux #longterm 2.6.32.33 http://bit.ly/eRYNk5 "[...] must upgrade. [...]"Mar 07 23:06
twitterSlashdot does maximum FUD and confusion damage. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/03/07/1337211/Nokia-Sells-QtMar 07 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] considers to move to Debian again...Mar 07 23:26
twitterKDE is not worried http://dot.kde.org/2011/03/03/qt-and-future-kdeMar 07 23:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @kaddi: Hab Blumen und merci vom Chef zum weltfrauentag bekommen. :)Mar 07 23:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Cool! Gameduino! http://excamera.com/sphinx/gameduino/ #fbMar 07 23:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @gbraad why?Mar 07 23:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @newbintraining: 1 hour of sleep is less than optimalMar 07 23:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] #craigslist is truly awesome ♺ @NixiePixel: So this is how Marty McFly did it... http://bit.ly/hIeXrDMar 06 18:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #SCOTUS Rules Phelps and #WBC Can Protest Funerals http://ur1.ca/3emvy #atheist #humanist !lbgt #religionMar 06 19:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Peppermint Ice respin 20110302 out now! Check out this excellent distro! http://tinyurl.com/5ualgld !linux !ubuntu !foss !peppermintMar 06 19:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Dead Nation has an update tomorrow, apparently voice chat and other new features added http://tinyurl.com/5r64rhu !ps3 !psnMar 06 19:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks cables: MI6 warns of new suicide bomb wave | Telegraph http://is.gd/zyyPtj !wlMar 06 19:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Man, that Star Trek episode of #Yogscast is hilarious! Amazing stuff...Mar 06 19:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. I need sleep.... I fear what I'll dream about tonight with all that scriptwriting and #Yogscast though. OoMar 06 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: New WikiLeaks book: WIKILEAKS AND THE AGE OF TRANSPARENCY by Micah Sifry http://www.orbooks.com/our-b... http://bit.ly/f4XxNxMar 06 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks cables: MI6 warns of new suicide bomb wave | Telegraph http://is.gd/zyyPtj http://bit.ly/eS4ARgMar 06 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is someone who loves Big Mac's a "Mac fan"?Mar 06 19:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] The New Economy. http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/The_New_Economy Likeable 80's retro. !jamendo !ccmusic #BY-NC-SAMar 06 20:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya BBC reporter questioned why helicopter landing when they could take a taxi from ship. Now ship was there to collect them #bollocksMar 06 20:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] It's impossible to express in words how unenthusiastic I am about working around this IE7 bug.Mar 06 20:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Go and give Gordon support/encouragement for his intention to write a novel in a month! http://tinyurl.com/6brnagnMar 06 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya all of a sudden shit coverage from BBC does not count for much. Why do people trust them?Mar 06 20:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Listening to "All quiet on the Western front" on Radio 7! - Great stuff!Mar 06 20:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: The EFF Letter: Sony's subpoenas "impact the free speech interests of myriad third parties" - http://bit.ly/guEerc #eff #sony #DMCAMar 06 20:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Android Just Overtook Apple iOS and BlackBerry http://tinyurl.com/49fpo52 !android - !wp7 !apple !microsoft !mvpbuzz !mvpMar 06 20:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Patches Published For Merging S3TC Library Into Mesa: It's a slightly more interesting Sunday than usual. Beside... http://bit.ly/e4VOE5Mar 06 20:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Hey !fedora folks, our GSoC application is due by Friday! There have to be more awesome ideas to add, no? http://ur1.ca/3ep1oMar 06 21:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Sweet Mother Logic. http://ur1.ca/3ep23 Eclectic, oddly compelling instrumentals. !jamendo !ccmusic #BY-NC-SAMar 06 21:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] oh shiney! I'm adding RSS feeds to the ugliest UI I've ever had to deal with.Mar 06 21:31
DaemonFCschestowitz: I'm going to review Scientific Linux 6 shortly (just because I've been meaning to)Mar 06 21:41
DaemonFCinteresting to note that at the same time as this obfuscated kernel source, various Fedora related projects have started snubbing RHEL clonesMar 06 21:42
DaemonFC(No RPM Fusion for EL 6)Mar 06 21:42
DaemonFCAtRPMs and ELRepo are still aroundMar 06 21:42
DaemonFCa while back, some of the RPM Fusion people were trying to FUD both of them as "breaking" Fedora releasesMar 06 21:43
DaemonFCELRepo has never claimed that adding them to Fedora was a good idea (though they can't stop a person from it) and AtRPMs does replace some Fedora RPMs with its own versions, but always names them such that they won't break distribution upgradesMar 06 21:44
DaemonFCI kind of wonder how long Red Hat/Fedora have been trying to subvert free RHEL clones without coming right out and saying it :)Mar 06 21:44
oiaohmDaemonFC: This obfuscated kernel stunt is not the first time Redhat has done it either.Mar 06 21:46
oiaohmThey did it when mandrake was branching off as well.Mar 06 21:46
DaemonFCfor a while, RPM Fusion for EL 5 was providing kmods for video drivers because of Nvidia and ATI having this annoying habit or replacing libGL.so with their own versions, but the RPMs provided for RHEL have never done thisMar 06 21:46
DaemonFCthe ATI installer package builds an RPM that adds a diversion to their libGL.so without replacing the system packageMar 06 21:47
DaemonFCif you remove the RPM later, your system goes right back to using MESAMar 06 21:47
oiaohmATI has been good that way.Mar 06 21:47
DaemonFCbut if you run it as the generic Linux installer, it will bulldoze your system libraryMar 06 21:47
DaemonFC:)Mar 06 21:47
oiaohmThe Nvidia driver has a hunt down and destroy any other opengl lib it can find.Mar 06 21:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Tired of parents treating me like meatMar 06 21:48
DaemonFCwell, if you do use the generic installer, it's a simple matter of yum reinstall libgl (or whatever that package name was)Mar 06 21:48
DaemonFCit won't break your system, you just won't have 3d until you do thatMar 06 21:49
oiaohmNvidia has a search and destory feature in there installer.  DaemonFCMar 06 21:49
oiaohmATI only has the opps the file was in the same place we wanted to place it.Mar 06 21:49
DaemonFCyeah, last time I used Nvidia's installer it was because I needed a beta driver to use with a kernel I builtMar 06 21:49
DaemonFCand when it came time to remove it later in preference to a distro package, I was sorry :)Mar 06 21:50
oiaohmNvidia also does equal to windows by the way.Mar 06 21:50
DaemonFCit's not just one package it destroys, with Nvidia you have to gut and replace ALL of MesaMar 06 21:50
DaemonFCATI is just an annoyanceMar 06 21:51
oiaohmATI is hamless if you install it right.Mar 06 21:51
DaemonFCNvidia will prevent pretty much everything beyond framebuffer video if you remove it laterMar 06 21:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @telecomix: Blackout on #Libya for dialup against #censorship: +49 231 97844321 (login: telecomix password: telecomix) #fbMar 06 21:51
oiaohmThe generic installer can be told not to overlap with ATI DaemonFCMar 06 21:51
oiaohmAnd then you can alter the ld.so.conf so it works.Mar 06 21:52
oiaohmThen remove ati just falls back like any good install should.Mar 06 21:52
DaemonFCI don't remember what I did to gut Nvidia, but I was close to backing up and formattingMar 06 21:53
DaemonFC:)Mar 06 21:53
DaemonFCI didn't end up having to, but it litters your system with its crap, it's not just limited to Mesa or XMar 06 21:54
DaemonFCNvidia has  the most evil driver in the world (R)Mar 06 21:54
DaemonFCif your distro doesn't provide packages and you don't want to use Nouveau, find one that doesMar 06 21:55
DaemonFCdon't ever use their installerMar 06 21:55
oiaohmLast time I end up running a debian audit script.Mar 06 21:56
oiaohmAny package with missing files reinstall.Mar 06 21:57
oiaohmor files that don't pass checksum.Mar 06 21:57
oiaohmThat are elfMar 06 21:57
oiaohmIts one of my anti root kit scripts.Mar 06 21:57
DaemonFCI kept in mind how ugly Nvidia's driver was when it came time to buy a new cardMar 06 21:57
oiaohmI made the mistake on a system I had installed NvidiaMar 06 21:57
DaemonFCit wasn't the deciding factor, but geezMar 06 21:58
oiaohmof running my anti root kit scriptsMar 06 21:58
oiaohmThat is how I knew it would work.Mar 06 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is a batchelor pad for dads, called a Dad Pad? or is that a Thinkpad used by Fathers Lobby Groups?Mar 06 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] And here comes the breakdown. #nov4Mar 06 21:58
oiaohmIe Poff by by NvidiaMar 06 21:58
DaemonFCpretty much all of Nvidia's performance I understand comes from working around the X server instead of using itMar 06 21:58
oiaohmNvidia is doing what DRI2 enables.Mar 06 21:59
oiaohmBut DRI2 does it cleanly.Mar 06 21:59
DaemonFCX.org is probably more mismanaged now than ever, not like Nvidia needs to look hard to use them as an excuseMar 06 21:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Anyone who uses a vocoder straight to ICC Life sentence listening to singers using a vocoder. #justiceMar 06 22:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is it my imagination or just the circle of people I follow? there's a large proportion of Canadians using Identi.ca \o/ clued up countriesMar 06 22:00
oiaohmX,org has been trying to delete old DRI1 hacks for ever.Mar 06 22:00
oiaohmProblem is delete them Nvidia drivers die.Mar 06 22:00
DaemonFCthey're becoming what they criticized XFree86 of beingMar 06 22:00
DaemonFCthis big monolithic mess with varying degrees of quality and overlapping drivers, so on so forthMar 06 22:00
oiaohmReally X.org is not DaemonFCMar 06 22:00
oiaohmThe X.org code base has reduced in size.Mar 06 22:01
oiaohmLot of the overlapping drivers started before x.org  DaemonFCMar 06 22:01
oiaohmDri1 was a major design stuff up done by Xfree86  DaemonFCMar 06 22:02
oiaohmDRI1 was built with the logic that a person would Only need 1 opengl application at a time.Mar 06 22:02
oiaohmNow how do you fix something like that.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:03
DaemonFCwell, obviously you can'tMar 06 22:03
oiaohmOnly way is basically rebuild everything.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:03
oiaohmDRI2Mar 06 22:03
DaemonFCI agree with what Wayland is doing in principleMar 06 22:03
DaemonFCbut in fact, I'm skeptical they'll get everyone onboardMar 06 22:04
oiaohmEverything has to be rebuilt for DRI2.  And in the processor Wayland got invented.Mar 06 22:04
oiaohmWayland and X.org are sharing many parts.Mar 06 22:04
oiaohmIncluding keyboard input;Mar 06 22:04
DaemonFCyeah, well right now you have ATI using DRI 1, and Nvidia using a combination of DRI 1 and their own extensions held together with chewing gumMar 06 22:05
oiaohmReally the lead of X.org is onboard with Wayland.Mar 06 22:05
DaemonFCthat's why only the free drivers work with Wayland, or KMS, or.....Mar 06 22:05
oiaohmATI is trying to do away with there closed source drivers.Mar 06 22:05
oiaohmSo ATI will get kinda fixed at some point.Mar 06 22:05
oiaohmThe long term plan from ATI is quite complex.Mar 06 22:06
oiaohmIe open source drivers get so far then they will release binary libs todo the patent covered bit.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:06
oiaohmYes insane one of the last moves is merge the streams.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:06
oiaohmNvidia its getting harder and harder each release of X.org for them to remain Dri1Mar 06 22:07
oiaohmAnd Nvidia does not want to have to release KMS to kernel.Mar 06 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Naming of Fedora 16 underway - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16 #fbMar 06 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Goregaon West !Mar 06 22:08
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DaemonFCso basically you're seeing ATI support the freee driver framework for the same reason Fluendo supports GStreamerMar 06 22:08
DaemonFCthey hope to sell you binaries to plug into the "free" framework later onMar 06 22:08
DaemonFCotherwise it could be unusable Mar 06 22:09
oiaohmDaemonFC: Not sell AMD will want to sell the cards to you.Mar 06 22:09
DaemonFCyou know what I meanMar 06 22:09
oiaohmDaemonFC: they don't want you to be feature behind due to patents.Mar 06 22:09
DaemonFCyou still need them even though there will be some baseline functionality without itMar 06 22:09
oiaohmDaemonFC: Now of course if AMD can get the right patent agreements or implement the patent coverd parts in hardware.Mar 06 22:10
oiaohmSo that out the box it works AMD will.Mar 06 22:10
DaemonFChere, please build this nifty new framework to support our nonfree pluginsMar 06 22:10
DaemonFCyou've saved us so much money on programmer salary, thanks so much!Mar 06 22:10
oiaohmProblem is not all the old card were doing all the opengl features  that are patent covered in hardware.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:10
oiaohmAMD is basically going to work around a problem kindly.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:11
oiaohmNvidia from leaks appears to be working on a completely new driver for Linux in house.Mar 06 22:11
oiaohmGstreamer was designed to allow closed source plugins in.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:13
oiaohmDaemonFC: Note AMD is also talking to a lot of patent holder of opengl stuff about letting open source.Mar 06 22:14
DaemonFCDear Patent Troll, please find it in your heart of hearts to give up this racketeering scheme that our milk cow of 1,000 tits, known also as the patent system, has enabled you to sit back and make money on without the process of actually making, anything. Your friends, AMDMar 06 22:17
oiaohmDaemonFC: do you think AMD is talk nice.Mar 06 22:18
oiaohmDear Patent Troll  Please consider being nice to open source or we will have to start researching other ways to implement the functionality.    So one day we will pay you nothing.Mar 06 22:19
oiaohmAnd Patnet Troll most likely will listern because AMD has done that before.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:20
oiaohmAMD really does not care about paying patents as long as it does not interfere with what they want todo. DaemonFCMar 06 22:21
DaemonFCDear AMD, call us when you figure out how to get every game made that uses S3TC to work without any S3TC support in the driver. BTW, thanks for paying us royalties on your use of it in Catalyst, those checks are nice. If you can think of anything else that we may own a government sanctioned monopoly on that you would like to pay us for and transfer more costs onto your customers over, have your people call our people. Toodles!Mar 06 22:21
oiaohmThat would be a bad responce.Mar 06 22:22
DaemonFCWhat's ridiculous is how this bullshit can end up making it into a standard like OpenGLMar 06 22:22
oiaohmBecause AMD hardware implemenation S3TC is covered by AMD patent.Mar 06 22:23
oiaohmSo they don't have to pay for that one.Mar 06 22:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] let's see if I can get anything done tonight or if I'm just going to fail again. #nov4Mar 06 22:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter I read somewhere that being owned by non Canadians can be legal reason for seizure, I don't wanna build a brand then lose itMar 06 22:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter how brainwashed I was/am thought .ca was CaliforniaMar 06 22:23
DaemonFCan industry standard is almost always packed full of patents like a thanksgiving turkeyMar 06 22:23
oiaohmAMD can in theory shot down S3TCMar 06 22:23
DaemonFCthey tend to use things like the Khronos Group as a circle jerkMar 06 22:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] all #lmde needs to be the perfect laptop / netbook distro is the option to encrypt /home in the installer !linux !linuxmintMar 06 22:25
DaemonFCwell, the problem is that you can't call something an open standards and then tell everyone that wants to implement it where to send the checksMar 06 22:25
oiaohmRecent years getting patented features into Khronos Group has been getting harder.Mar 06 22:25
oiaohmAny ideas why.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:26
oiaohmAll the video card makers have worked out the patent agreements are more of a pain in the ass than profit making.Mar 06 22:26
DaemonFCwell, why isn't anyone scared about the Direct3D state tracker? There's an entire API full of god knows what that is maintained by MicrosoftMar 06 22:26
DaemonFCand we're worried about one texture compression algorithm in OpenGL?Mar 06 22:26
oiaohmMicrosoft patent threatens Video card makers by the way.Mar 06 22:27
oiaohmit kinda woke them up.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:27
oiaohmTo how stupid they were being.Mar 06 22:27
DaemonFCThat D3D state tracker is more worrying than Mono, just watch what happens when you have Linux programs that need DirectX and Microsoft launches a lawsuitMar 06 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter Part of Mexico :-)Mar 06 22:28
oiaohmProblem MS is limited.Mar 06 22:28
oiaohmMost of the features of the state tracker are exposed by the video card makers.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:28
DaemonFCS3TC is just about one washed up patent troll that nobody cares about anymore, and it brings the OpenGL state tracker work to a haltMar 06 22:28
oiaohmNo S3TC did not bring work to a halt.Mar 06 22:30
oiaohmFloating point textures has.   DaemonFCMar 06 22:30
oiaohm2 patents of hell.Mar 06 22:30
DaemonFCthey're debating whether to make Mesa the new LAMEMar 06 22:31
DaemonFCjsut ship it as source code and let the distro or user worry about itMar 06 22:31
oiaohmThe Floating point textures one is worse because you need that functionally to match fully base spec of opengl 2.0 and is required in opengl 3.0 and 4.0Mar 06 22:31
oiaohmS3TC is not a required part of the spec.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:32
DaemonFCDear user, OpenGL isn't all that open, so will you please compile it yourself or get it from a server in the Russian Federation? Thanks.Mar 06 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter within a few lifetimes yes mostlyMar 06 22:33
oiaohmDaemonFC: Interesting thing here.Mar 06 22:34
oiaohmATI implement the extention for floating point texturesMar 06 22:34
oiaohmusing a patent they did not own.Mar 06 22:34
oiaohmThank you ATI for having incompetent Patent tracking.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter I am sorry I do not understandMar 06 22:36
oiaohmDaemonFC: Really Khronos group has been a lot better since AMD bought ATI out.Mar 06 22:38
DaemonFCATI was a jokeMar 06 22:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter I do not know what a tv chow is.Mar 06 22:38
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DaemonFC"ATI Premium Graphics" Oh, is THAT why your driver segfaults if I turn Compiz on? Awesome.Mar 06 22:39
DaemonFCTheir driver has always been a pain in the ass, it's just been less of one every month since AMD bought them.Mar 06 22:40
oiaohmATI is improving.Mar 06 22:40
oiaohmGetting to the point AMD will start using there own branding.Mar 06 22:41
oiaohmand the ATI brand will be allowed die.Mar 06 22:41
DaemonFCI got the idea to move over to Enterprise Linux because AMD officially supports itMar 06 22:41
DaemonFCthat's not always the case with other distros, it's more like good luck installing it, oh it has bugs, greatMar 06 22:41
oiaohmMeego will also be offically supported by AMD.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:42
oiaohmThere is about 8 distributions Offically supported.Mar 06 22:42
DaemonFCyeah, Ubuntu is supposedly one of themMar 06 22:43
oiaohmcorrection offically supported with developers.Mar 06 22:43
DaemonFCbut to get that support, you have to use Ubuntu :)Mar 06 22:43
oiaohmUbuntu is offically supported for packaging.Mar 06 22:43
oiaohmNot for real coding.Mar 06 22:43
DaemonFCWhat is the RHEL upgrade policy  like?Mar 06 22:44
DaemonFClike for random packagesMar 06 22:44
DaemonFCwill you get a new Firefox and Pidgin or what?Mar 06 22:44
DaemonFClike in point upgradesMar 06 22:44
oiaohmI normally don't use Redhat as a desktop.Mar 06 22:44
DaemonFCI notice Pidgin has their own repo that is up to date for ELMar 06 22:45
DaemonFCthere's Red Hat Enterprise Linux ISOs that make their way to bittorrent sitesMar 06 22:45
DaemonFCwhich is just dumbMar 06 22:46
oiaohmScientific Linux 6  they have money.Mar 06 22:46
DaemonFCthere's free clones and you can get updates with thoseMar 06 22:46
DaemonFCunless you have a Red Hat Network subscription, you can't even get security updates for RHELMar 06 22:46
oiaohmYou can if you connect and basically turn it into fedora.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:47
DaemonFC?Mar 06 22:47
oiaohmRed Hat Enterpise contains a downgrade option.Mar 06 22:47
DaemonFCRHN is the update mechanism right?Mar 06 22:47
oiaohmConnect to Fedora reposMar 06 22:48
oiaohmAnd magically it ends up fedora.Mar 06 22:48
DaemonFCbut that's the problemMar 06 22:48
DaemonFCif you use RHEL, you don't want FedoraMar 06 22:48
DaemonFCFedora is new and bug proneMar 06 22:48
oiaohmExactly.Mar 06 22:48
oiaohmWhy you have to pay for updates Mar 06 22:48
oiaohmRedhat has the best protection against pirates.Mar 06 22:49
DaemonFCright, they backport a decent amount of stuff into ELMar 06 22:49
oiaohmThey can pirate as much as they like but its worthless withou the update server.Mar 06 22:49
oiaohmEL is Cern.Mar 06 22:49
oiaohmCern has been working with Redhat for a long time.Mar 06 22:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter I was coming around to that but thought it was my cultural ignorance, tell me the jokeMar 06 22:50
DaemonFCRHEL 5 may say Linux 2.6.18, but it has a significant amount of bug fixes and new drivers, features, etc. from newer kernelsMar 06 22:50
oiaohmIntesting other way over.Mar 06 22:51
DaemonFCa Red Hat engineer said at one point that "there is a stable ABI for Linux, it's called RHEL, it lasts 10 years, and everyone should use it"Mar 06 22:51
DaemonFC:)Mar 06 22:51
oiaohmRHEL developed a lot of those patches before they went upstream.Mar 06 22:51
DaemonFCof course using the actual RHEL as a desktop is priceyMar 06 22:52
DaemonFC$86 a year per seatMar 06 22:52
oiaohmAnd Cern was not having a bar of that.  DaemonFCMar 06 22:52
DaemonFCright, that adds up fastMar 06 22:52
DaemonFCand if you want it as a server.....Mar 06 22:52
oiaohmSo leading to the existance of Scientific Linux Mar 06 22:52
DaemonFC:)Mar 06 22:52
oiaohmBut Redhat understood this.Mar 06 22:52
oiaohmSo they both share code with each other.Mar 06 22:53
DaemonFCyeah, well, SL is not a threat to Red HatMar 06 22:53
DaemonFCRed Hat is selling supportMar 06 22:53
DaemonFCnot softwareMar 06 22:53
oiaohmExactly.Mar 06 22:53
DaemonFCCentOS or SL is where you go if you wouldn't be paying Red Hat anywayMar 06 22:53
DaemonFCso why bother trying to muscle them out of existence?Mar 06 22:54
oiaohmMain reason to go redhat is the support.Mar 06 22:54
DaemonFCI'm going to be trying to set up SL 6  as a desktopMar 06 22:54
oiaohmThere support contracts are good.Mar 06 22:54
DaemonFCit'll be fun even if I don't manage to get results :)Mar 06 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] China deputizes smart phones to spy on Beijing residents’ real-time location. https://eff.org/r.5zw #privacyMar 06 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Looks like the latter for now. #nov4Mar 06 22:55
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DaemonFCyeah, my dad says that you only ever see RHEL or Suse, but it's RHEL 3:1 from what he's seenMar 06 22:56
DaemonFCsays he's never seen a customer using Ubuntu :)Mar 06 22:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter I watched a programme about how USA citizens see Canada you are unreconstructed European socialists :-)Mar 06 22:56
DaemonFCCanonical has already demonstrated that they can't stand behind UbuntuMar 06 22:56
DaemonFCso it goes to reason, "Why pay them to?"Mar 06 22:56
DaemonFCI've seen people get good results from deploying Ubuntu Server in a low workload capacityMar 06 22:57
DaemonFCbut I've never seen super computing projects using itMar 06 22:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] BBC says the crazy Gaddafi dupes can't see the sense in giving in to the government opposition, mad or what?Mar 06 23:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @askmeaks A 13 Line #Patch That Boosts #Intel Sandy Bridge Performance http://bit.ly/dQjJg9 #Driver #Linux #MESA #fbMar 06 23:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @askmeaks Back up #Email with a Single #Command http://bit.ly/e5hz82 #IMAPGrab #Email #OpenSource #Python #Script #fbMar 06 23:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] satipera BBC says the crazy Gaddafi dupes can't see the sense in not giving in to the government opposition, mad or what?Mar 06 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Forget Saudi Arabia forget Bahrain concentrate on #Libya #westernhypocracy #hyperMar 06 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] stumbled across a glorious dark #GTK theme http://tighturl.com/2zm8Mar 06 23:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @StoryADayMay: RT @TheWritersDen: You fail only if you stop writing. ~ Ray Bradbury #WriterBloodMar 06 23:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @themadhatter No it is not we all doMar 06 23:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The west does not give a wet shite about democracy, perhaps it is better to join in with the Arab uprising.Mar 06 23:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] She nodded back. “So you might also merit the Goddess’ protection. #amwritingMar 06 23:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Obama Rescinds Dangerous Bush-Era "Conscience Regulation" http://ur1.ca/3er15 #abortion #healthcare #PlannedParenthood #religionMar 06 23:56
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/66290348Mar 07 00:06
TechrightsBot-tr@Wayne Borean (themadhatter)'s status on Sunday, 06-Mar-11 23:36:48 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Actually Meego and WebOS needed to get going on tablets last year. Read today's 4k opus...Mar 07 00:06
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/66290417Mar 07 00:06
TechrightsBot-tr@Wayne Borean (themadhatter)'s status on Sunday, 06-Mar-11 23:38:34 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Quoted Mary Jo a lot, sice she's the Microsoft expert. Conclusion, WIndows for ARM has been in the works since summer 2009.Mar 07 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] lazyweb: who owns or runs condosingapore.com? #fbMar 07 00:06
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/66300725Mar 07 00:07
TechrightsBot-tr@Partimus (partimus)'s status on Monday, 07-Mar-11 03:04:57 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz would you pls follow us here & on Twitter? This is @einfeldt posting about FOSS in schoolsMar 07 00:07
schestowitzOh, nice!Mar 07 00:07
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/66300807Mar 07 00:08
TechrightsBot-tr@Partimus (partimus)'s status on Monday, 07-Mar-11 03:05:37 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz would you also consider doing a blog about our work putting computers in public schools? Thx either way Partimus.orgMar 07 00:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/dredeyedick/status/44552739207909376Mar 07 00:09
TechrightsBot-tr@dredeyedick: @schestowitz Al Jazeera - English, Russia Today, BBC4, @FrontlineClub more, free, download http://livestation.com desktop app. #newsMar 07 00:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "By using Free Open Source Software and repurposed hardware, we aim to do our part to help bridge the digital divide." http://partimus.org/Mar 07 00:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Show notes for the new !techbytes episode are now out http://ur1.ca/3erddMar 07 00:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] LFS 6.8 Release http://ur1.ca/3erdz #linux from scratch that is.. great stuff!Mar 07 00:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Pastebin #Plasma widget http://ur1.ca/3erep very handy! #kde desktop is fantastic, give it a try,Mar 07 00:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Slur “Open Core”: Toward More Diligent Analysis http://ur1.ca/3eriw #opencore is hardcore marketing, not valueMar 07 00:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 5 Things OS X Does Better than #Linux http://ur1.ca/3erna someone can respond with 50 things #gnu Linux does better than #MacOSuXMar 07 00:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] First Post: Tiny Core 3.5 http://ur1.ca/3ero2 I was gonna install that, it quickly gains statusMar 07 00:40
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oiaohmschestowitz: on the 5 things OS X does better.   Really we should not fight them that much.   A lot should be taken as goals to achive.Mar 07 00:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mr. @jonobacon helps openwash #Facebook http://ur1.ca/3eh0z what about b0ng, silver lie, OOXML, #swpats aggression? Open...to interpretationMar 07 00:41
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oiaohmschestowitz: systemd coming to Linux is based on Apple service management because it was better.Mar 07 00:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @sunshineejc #LIBYA IS BURNING!~IS ANYONE WATCHING?: ~ 1000+ protesters killed from helicopters & roof top snipers. #jan25 #feb17 #P2Mar 07 00:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3 ...Mexican history - #Nahua civlisation is 12,000 yrs old!! - with a segue into the crazy intertwined fates of Brazil & PortugalMar 07 00:43
schestowitzoiaohm: I did not know that...Mar 07 00:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @einfeldt: RT @wwwuse: How will Microsoft lose a majority market share? Outlook from an investment site http://t.co/GV3BzuAMar 07 00:45
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gnufreexgood morningMar 07 01:14
gnufreex:-)Mar 07 01:14
oiaohmGood afternoon.  gnufreexMar 07 01:16
gnufreexLol. Ms troll claims he's an RHCE and fails hard: http://forums.channelregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/03/04/red_hat_twarts_oracle_and_novell_with_change_to_source_code_packaging/#c_1003372 Mar 07 01:16
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gnufreexI almost sprayed coffee all over the keyboard Mar 07 01:18
gnufreexSo funnyMar 07 01:18
oiaohmAnd this is not the first time Redhat has done this.Mar 07 01:18
oiaohmIn the time of the Mandrake Redhat split.  gnufreexMar 07 01:18
oiaohmyes it did ruin Mandrake stablish kernel back then.Mar 07 01:18
oiaohmIe Redhat has just reverted.Mar 07 01:19
gnufreexYou mean, when Bruce Perens complained that RH kernel is too different?Mar 07 01:20
oiaohmIf you are thinking 1996 we are on the same wave lengh.Mar 07 01:22
gnufreexHmm.. no.Mar 07 01:22
gnufreexThis is 2001Mar 07 01:22
oiaohmBruce Perens complained a few times.Mar 07 01:22
gnufreexor soMar 07 01:22
oiaohmFirst complain from him was at the start of the mandrake/redhat split.Mar 07 01:23
gnufreexI touched GNU/Linux first time about thenMar 07 01:23
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gnufreexWhat RH did here is smartMar 07 01:23
gnufreexOnly problem is that Debian could have little problems.Mar 07 01:24
oiaohmIts legal.Mar 07 01:24
gnufreexWith tracking patches.Mar 07 01:24
gnufreexOff course is legalMar 07 01:24
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oiaohmReally is not a big problem either.Mar 07 01:24
gnufreexBut I don't get why people complain that muchMar 07 01:24
gnufreexIt is not problem at allMar 07 01:24
gnufreexEthically they are fine tooMar 07 01:25
gnufreexAnd they are not lying about anything, Brian Stevens admited everything.Mar 07 01:26
gnufreexSome claim they clash with spirit of GPLMar 07 01:27
gnufreexBut I don't see how.Mar 07 01:27
gnufreexIf they didn't do before, this move doesn't bring them against spirit of GPL.Mar 07 01:28
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MinceRwell, the patches would be the preferred form to make modificiations, would they not?Mar 07 01:33
oiaohmhttp://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=119  This is rare a case alteration that makes me kinda want.Mar 07 01:35
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oiaohmMinceR: Patches would be preferable.  But it also means snooping at other peoples homework as wellMar 07 01:46
oiaohmMinceR: Maybe a source compare and patch solver might be invented.Mar 07 01:47
oiaohmMinceR: to make deal with embed device dumps simpler.Mar 07 01:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @rkallensee RT @evan: Ooh. https://github.com/eschnou/node-ostatus #nodejs #ostatus #fsw #looksawesomeMar 07 02:03
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gnufreexgoogle can remove stuff from people's phones? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/07/google_remotely_kills_android_malware_apps/Mar 07 02:27
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MinceRyes they canMar 07 02:28
MinceRit's in the android market agreementMar 07 02:28
gnufreexi am glad I didn't buy Android phone.Mar 07 02:29
MinceRthough not many details were published, so it's possible that they could technically remove anythingMar 07 02:29
MinceRi'm glad too, except i bought a symbian phone and that isn't good eitherMar 07 02:29
MinceRi wonder if one can disable the killswitch after rooting...Mar 07 02:29
gnufreexI still have a dumbphoneMar 07 02:29
gnufreexfrom NokiaMar 07 02:30
gnufreexSome odd numberMar 07 02:30
gnufreexforgot whatMar 07 02:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Hitting the B$A will clue bats continues to be a lost cause - http://ur1.ca/3d6g6 #fbMar 07 02:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I did not make my goal (uploading final ms) but new scenes are done. (more work than I thought), putting me a day behind schedule. :(Mar 07 02:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Good morning @kevie and good night !identiverseMar 07 02:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Now using mutt as an email client, liking it so far. !linuxMar 07 02:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Now its time to setup a .screenrc file.Mar 07 02:55
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jonobacon/status/44645021160448000Mar 07 02:59
TechrightsBot-tr@jonobacon: @schestowitz: I have literally no idea what your last tweet actually means. English? :-)Mar 07 02:59
schestowitz The point was, Facebook is *very* proprietary (and being partly owned by Microsoft it promotes Microsoft wares) but wants "open" imageMar 07 03:00
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/44639295063068672Mar 07 03:00
TechrightsBot-tr@bgiltrap: @schestowitz: "...Windows has 75% PC market share..." that's an interesting figure lower than usually quoted do you know the source?Mar 07 03:00
schestowitzI wondered the same thing....Mar 07 03:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3: #WikiLeaks: US pressured 'allies' to ignore, not prosecute US kidnappings, #torture programmes http://t.co/OuquJXlMar 07 03:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Forget Gaddafi. Blair's new best friend is a despot guilty of even bloodier slaughter - http://bit.ly/gwDPYx Daily Mail, but still.. #blairMar 07 03:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Facebook and open source: 'we've come a long way' - http://bit.ly/hgvb4Q useful reminder that #Facebook depends on #opensourceMar 07 03:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "Breeding rabbits is a hare raising experience." - Slashdot MOTD !qMar 07 03:10
oiaohmschestowitz: 75 percent I have seen as a quoted number when all x86 hardare total is counted.Mar 07 03:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The EFF Letter: Sony's subpoenas "impact the free speech interests of myriad third parties" - http://bit.ly/dEgl5f and how #sony #freespeechMar 07 03:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New #DNA rules will restore public trust - http://bit.ly/fr3nPN sad to see Labour pushing its tired authoritarian #FUD hereMar 07 03:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Share a YouTube Video? Go to Jail - http://bit.ly/i6vWu1 petition about Bryan McCarthy & ICE overreach #linkingMar 07 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Costs of #DNA #Sequencing Falling Fast – Look At These Graphs! - http://bit.ly/hwJAPW people are not ready for the implications of thisMar 07 03:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] FUCK OFF LINKEDIN.Mar 07 03:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] "Chain of Fools: Upgrading through every version of windows" lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14 #fbMar 07 03:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @graziano #Google flips #Android kill switch, destroys a batch of malicious apps: http://ur1.ca/3eu0mMar 07 03:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @alextootchie: Video - QWassr for NOKIA N900 - A Quick Demo of My Favorite Twitter client http://t.co/Lkj1Dzw @qwassrMar 07 03:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Forbes Estimates M$ Down to 75% Share of PCs http://ur1.ca/3eu8f #gnu #linux #mac #apple #windowsMar 07 03:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #RedHat corporate timeline http://ur1.ca/3eu9j Red Hat acquired AOL's Netscape server software for about $25 million in cash in September"Mar 07 03:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: PadOrbiter v2: Joggler Orbiter built atop MeeGo http://youtu.be/ZRKkqxWcytI?a via @tschakMar 07 03:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Denver Museum promotes #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/3eu9p 'in this case it just said “Linux”.' #mozilla #advocacyMar 07 03:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #FreeBSD needs fresh Blood! http://ur1.ca/3eubl cute devil *needs* "fresh blood" #bsd #freedomMar 07 04:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Open Source Software has been a huge blessing to the software community and businesses in general." http://ur1.ca/3eucl #pakistan #freedomMar 07 04:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☆ Crowdsourced is not Open Source: I’ve heard quite a few conversations that treat open source interchangeably w... http://wmk.me/dKwc3yMar 07 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google frags fragmentation with Fragments API for older Android versions http://ur1.ca/3es44 fragme^H^H^H^Hversity #android #linux #choiceMar 07 04:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Review of#Motorola #Xoom http://ur1.ca/3eue2 "Don't jump for the Xoom just because it's the first—they rushed it out prematurely" #linuxMar 07 04:06
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MinceRgeekingsMar 07 04:11
gnufreexgeeking Mar 07 04:11
gnufreexsMar 07 04:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Firefox 4 RC two days away. Final date unknown, still.Mar 07 04:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @ovidius: @carlopiana Maybe someone can explain me why having to assign Google the right to remote kill apps does not violate the GPL #GQ!Mar 07 04:13
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/44686079386857472Mar 07 04:18
TechrightsBot-tr@bgiltrap: @schestowitz: Now we need those Corp's & individuals to admit that it's not just Windows & Mac but that this Linux thing actually exists!Mar 07 04:18
schestowitzIndeedMar 07 04:18
oiaohmBoy people don't get it.Mar 07 04:18
oiaohmFirst generations of a device are always suxMar 07 04:18
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_Market_ShareMar 07 04:19
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schestowitzoiaohm: yesMar 07 04:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why a Xoom? http://ur1.ca/3euk2 not as negative as Fox Technica #xoom #motorola #linux #android #tablet #formfactorMar 07 04:20
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schestowitzhttp://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=is_it_time_to_reboot_or_replace_wikipedi&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1Mar 07 04:20
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schestowitzIt's not *that* bad, is it?Mar 07 04:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Mark Shuttleworth: Next after #Natty? The #Oneiric Ocelot! http://goo.gl/O0r4PMar 07 04:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #XKCD: Server Attention Span http://xkcd.com/869/Mar 07 04:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Google frags fragmentation with Fragments API for older !Android versions http://goo.gl/SaKgKMar 07 04:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] No More Compiz Desktop Cube Plugin In Unity [Ubuntu 11.04] http://bit.ly/gb9oHVMar 07 04:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica Feature: Ars reviews the Motorola Xoom !android tablet http://goo.gl/2n6IBMar 07 04:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @mgeist Clement: Access to the Internet "fast becoming" crucial part of social and economic fabric of the country. #UBBMar 07 04:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: No More Compiz Desktop Cube Plugin In !Unity http://goo.gl/lY4zO !Ubuntu #NattyMar 07 04:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Vincent Untz: Google Summer of Code 2011 for !GNOME & openSUSE http://goo.gl/6jgZvMar 07 04:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] let's see if I can turn this #nov4 aroundMar 07 04:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 Launch Party in Prague http://goo.gl/5nmq7Mar 07 04:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu on CR-48! Windows 7 Launcher on Android, and Copyright Infringement Sucks [3/6/11 Vlog] http://ur1.ca/3eut4 #chromeosMar 07 04:36
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gnufreexOf course, Xoom has NVIDIA GPU so no Free drivers.Mar 07 04:39
gnufreexMotorola sucks badly.Mar 07 04:40
gnufreexThey could use FreescaleMar 07 04:40
gnufreexBut they don't have gpuMar 07 04:40
gnufreexPowerVR also do't have free driversMar 07 04:40
Diablo-D3gnufreex: btwMar 07 04:43
Diablo-D3its not really right to call it an nvidia gpuMar 07 04:44
Diablo-D3nvidia bought those arm gpus through buying a companyMar 07 04:44
gnufreexIt has GPU on SoCMar 07 04:44
Diablo-D3they're not related to actual geforces at allMar 07 04:44
gnufreexoh thatrMar 07 04:44
Diablo-D3I mean, geforces are pretty shitty, but these are worseMar 07 04:44
Diablo-D3they're really inferior to powervrs Mar 07 04:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Ubuntu 11.10 Codename Announced: #Oneiric Ocelot http://goo.gl/pcWcLMar 07 04:45
Diablo-D3I dont know why anyone is building on the tegra platformMar 07 04:45
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Diablo-D3its a pile of shit all aroundMar 07 04:45
gnufreexI thought it had couple of GF shadersMar 07 04:45
gnufreexBut it seems you'r rightMar 07 04:45
Diablo-D3not quiteMar 07 04:45
Diablo-D3they're kind of backro-genering their own shitMar 07 04:45
Diablo-D3to make it suck lessMar 07 04:45
Diablo-D3they'd be better off making an ultra-ulv geforceMar 07 04:46
gnufreexBut still, no free driver?Mar 07 04:46
Diablo-D3well, you wont see a free driver outside of powervrMar 07 04:46
Diablo-D3and google is trying to make a big push though the mesa community for a free powervr driverMar 07 04:46
gnufreexThere is free driver in the works for Qualcom snapdragonMar 07 04:46
Diablo-D3and by "big push" I mean shouting through a megaphone until they get itMar 07 04:46
gnufreexThat uses some GPU that starts with AMar 07 04:47
Diablo-D3gnufreex: yeah but fuck snapdragonsMar 07 04:47
gnufreexAdrenoMar 07 04:47
gnufreexThat's name of GPUMar 07 04:47
Diablo-D3I hate AdrenosMar 07 04:47
gnufreexThey bought that from AMDMar 07 04:47
Diablo-D3yeah, but amd bought it from someone elseMar 07 04:47
Diablo-D3well, ati didMar 07 04:48
gnufreexI don't know much about embeded GPUs..Mar 07 04:48
gnufreexIs there any more companies?Mar 07 04:48
Diablo-D3ati bought somebody, it became the ati imageon, then amd bought ati, then amd sold it to qualcommMar 07 04:48
gnufreexI know just about thoseMar 07 04:48
Diablo-D3the same way the goforce is absolutely not related to geforces, the imageon isnt a radeonMar 07 04:49
gnufreexMatrox could make embeded GPU, they fall behind on everytging, you would think they can use smallest manufacturing process posible and it would fit in cell phone :-)Mar 07 04:50
Diablo-D3hehMar 07 04:50
Diablo-D3wellMar 07 04:50
gnufreexIt is crappyMar 07 04:50
Diablo-D3fusion is probably going to destroy that entire marketMar 07 04:50
gnufreexSo it fitsMar 07 04:50
Diablo-D3and no, you're just describing the powervr evolutionMar 07 04:51
gnufreexFusion is x86Mar 07 04:51
gnufreexsucksMar 07 04:51
Diablo-D3fusion is quasi-x86Mar 07 04:51
MinceRwhat, fusion will ship with drivers that work? :>Mar 07 04:51
gnufreexhow do you mean quasiMar 07 04:51
Diablo-D3MinceR: erm, it had working drivers before fusion existedMar 07 04:51
Diablo-D3MinceR: fusion uses almost normal 5xxx coresMar 07 04:52
gnufreexit is full x86Mar 07 04:52
Diablo-D3gnufreex: AMD is extremely good at making a fast small x86 decoderMar 07 04:52
MinceRgnufreex: he hates x86 and is an amd fan, so it can't be x86, obviously :>Mar 07 04:52
Diablo-D3gnufreex: and they may end up just making the K10 RISC language accessable in future versionsMar 07 04:52
Diablo-D3its already accessable in some products, just not consumer onesMar 07 04:52
Diablo-D3gnufreex: and ARM is kind of shit nowMar 07 04:53
gnufreexDiablo-D3 dream onMar 07 04:53
Diablo-D3I dont like how it evolvedMar 07 04:53
Diablo-D3dream on what? Mar 07 04:53
MinceRnobody cares what you like :>Mar 07 04:53
Diablo-D3you do realize K7, K8, and K10 are all RISC cores, right?Mar 07 04:53
gnufreexThey will not make RISC acessibleMar 07 04:53
Diablo-D3they already _did_ make it accessibleMar 07 04:53
Diablo-D3the boat sailed on that.Mar 07 04:53
gnufreexDiablo-D3 I know it is RISC coreMar 07 04:53
gnufreexBut it is not fullMar 07 04:53
gnufreexit is very crappy RISC coreMar 07 04:54
gnufreexmutated and allMar 07 04:54
Diablo-D3its not crappy at all]Mar 07 04:54
gnufreexIt is not real RISC.Mar 07 04:54
Diablo-D3no, its even realer RISC than ARM isMar 07 04:54
Diablo-D3the only instructions that exist are for hardware featuresMar 07 04:54
gnufreexIt is like when you bread elephant and a snakeMar 07 04:54
Diablo-D3if the hardware does not explicitly do it, theres no op for itMar 07 04:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 7/3/2011: Forbes Says Microsoft’s Market Share is Down to 75%, Linux 2.6.38 is Coming, Xoom Reviews Out http://ur1.ca/3ev0vMar 07 04:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Forbes Says Microsoft’s Market Share is Down to 75%, Linux 2.6.38 is Coming, Xoom Reviews Out http://ur1.ca/3ev0v !techrightsMar 07 04:55
Diablo-D3the x86 decoder is part of the instruction scheduler frontend, its not part of the core.Mar 07 04:55
gnufreexSo, how many registers core really has?Mar 07 04:55
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Diablo-D3well, earlier K8s have something like 40Mar 07 04:55
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Diablo-D3K10s have upped itMar 07 04:55
MinceRafaik RISC is supposed to have simpler instruction scheduling than thatMar 07 04:55
Diablo-D3MinceR: simple is the wrong wordMar 07 04:56
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gnufreexx86 can only see 16 registers in long mode (x86-64)Mar 07 04:56
gnufreexand 8 in 32-bit modeMar 07 04:56
Diablo-D3gnufreex: it can see 16 normal registers, sureMar 07 04:56
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Diablo-D3but you forgot SSE2 registersMar 07 04:56
gnufreexscrew SSEMar 07 04:57
Diablo-D3...Mar 07 04:57
Diablo-D3you fail at CPU design forever.Mar 07 04:57
Diablo-D3anyhow, all the registers seen from the x86 side are all virtualizedMar 07 04:57
gnufreexSSE should not be in coreMar 07 04:57
gnufreexThat is x86 brainfuckMar 07 04:57
Diablo-D3they're just instructionsMar 07 04:57
gnufreexNEON if off coreMar 07 04:57
gnufreexVIS is off coreMar 07 04:57
Diablo-D3AMD does not have a core for SSEMar 07 04:57
gnufreexaltiVec is off coreMar 07 04:57
Diablo-D3its just instructions.Mar 07 04:57
gnufreexThat is what I am sayingMar 07 04:58
Diablo-D3they didnt do the Intel brainfuck by dedicating a whole ALU subsystem for itMar 07 04:58
Diablo-D3no, what you're saying is you fail at CPU designMar 07 04:58
gnufreexThey have SSE in normal coreMar 07 04:58
gnufreexintegratedMar 07 04:58
Diablo-D3yes, because SSE _is normal instructions_Mar 07 04:58
Diablo-D3theres nothing to intergrateMar 07 04:58
Diablo-D3there is no special hardware in the RISC core for SSE.Mar 07 04:58
Diablo-D3none.Mar 07 04:58
Diablo-D3at.Mar 07 04:58
Diablo-D3all.Mar 07 04:58
Diablo-D3its decoded by the instruction decoder and properly scheduled for an optimized case.Mar 07 04:59
gnufreexIt has separate pipelineMar 07 04:59
Diablo-D3nope, it actually doesntMar 07 04:59
gnufreexand it is pretty separated in every RISCMar 07 04:59
Diablo-D3you do realize the RISC core has like 4 ALUs, right?Mar 07 05:00
gnufreexnot everyMar 07 05:00
gnufreexbut yesMar 07 05:00
Diablo-D3no, Im talking the K10 hereMar 07 05:00
gnufreexohMar 07 05:00
Diablo-D3the scheduler just farms them outMar 07 05:00
gnufreexI was talking about general RISC designsMar 07 05:01
Diablo-D3this is why ARM fails, btwMar 07 05:01
gnufreexI actually have no clue what AMD didMar 07 05:01
Diablo-D3[05:01:40] <gnufreex> I actually have no clue what AMD didMar 07 05:01
Diablo-D3[05:01:40] <gnufreex> I actually have no clue what AMD didMar 07 05:01
Diablo-D3[05:01:40] <gnufreex> I actually have no clue what AMD didMar 07 05:01
Diablo-D3[05:01:40] <gnufreex> I actually have no clue what AMD didMar 07 05:01
Diablo-D3you may now shut the fuck up.Mar 07 05:01
gnufreexI won't shut the fuck upMar 07 05:02
Diablo-D3If you dont understand how the K10 is designed, then you have no right to say shit about it.Mar 07 05:02
Diablo-D3Guess what asshat, its better designed than that abortion ARM is peddlingMar 07 05:02
gnufreexI know that all RISCx86 hybrids are fucked upMar 07 05:02
Diablo-D3The only thing AMD needs to do is sell the core naked decoupled from the x86 decoderMar 07 05:02
gnufreexAllMar 07 05:02
Diablo-D3and its not a hybridMar 07 05:02
MinceRbut they don't do thatMar 07 05:03
gnufreexIt won't work. Mar 07 05:03
Diablo-D3there are decade old super computing clusters that use them in K8 RISC modeMar 07 05:03
Diablo-D3and they're quite happy with themMar 07 05:03
Diablo-D3gcc even has a native target for them, and linux boots on themMar 07 05:03
gnufreexhmmMar 07 05:03
gnufreexI must try that.Mar 07 05:03
gnufreexWhere can I find it?Mar 07 05:04
MinceRhow do they switch the k8 into risc mode? is it like switching to protected mode?Mar 07 05:04
Diablo-D3you need a special bios for itMar 07 05:04
gnufreexWhere is it?Mar 07 05:04
MinceRpftMar 07 05:04
Diablo-D3gnufreex: its on boards you cant buy.Mar 07 05:04
gnufreexOh..Mar 07 05:04
Diablo-D3only people who buy them from AMD get to have that.Mar 07 05:04
gnufreexso you are bullshiting meMar 07 05:04
gnufreex:-)Mar 07 05:04
Diablo-D3so unless you're ordering a 5000 cpu cluster, nope, not yours.Mar 07 05:04
Diablo-D3not at allMar 07 05:05
Diablo-D3its not for consumersMar 07 05:05
Diablo-D3I said that about 10 mintues agoMar 07 05:05
gnufreexokMar 07 05:05
gnufreexI thought I will have some funMar 07 05:05
Diablo-D3but almost all the AMD clusters on the top 500 are not running in x86 modeMar 07 05:05
MinceRthat can hardly be called "accessible", can it?Mar 07 05:05
gnufreexHave one Phenom II here, but noMar 07 05:05
Diablo-D3MinceR: what gnufreex was saying is AMD never did thisMar 07 05:06
Diablo-D3and AMD already didMar 07 05:06
MinceRexcept not reallyMar 07 05:06
Diablo-D3[04:53:42] <Diablo-D3> the boat sailed on that.Mar 07 05:06
MinceRonly to special customersMar 07 05:06
MinceRmeanwhile ARM is RISC to all usersMar 07 05:06
gnufreexDiablo-D3: Do you have some links and such. I wana see testsMar 07 05:06
MinceRi think that is the point hereMar 07 05:06
Diablo-D3ARM is barely RISC at all nowMar 07 05:06
Diablo-D3look at what they did to itMar 07 05:06
MinceRi know what they did to itMar 07 05:06
MinceRthey basically helped the bandwidth issue :>Mar 07 05:07
Diablo-D3ARM11, A8, and A9 is ungodly horridMar 07 05:07
Diablo-D3its a giant ugly chipMar 07 05:07
gnufreexDiablo-D3 yes, Urlich Drreper agrees with you.Mar 07 05:07
gnufreex"embeded crap"Mar 07 05:07
Diablo-D3gnufreex: wow, nice insult thereMar 07 05:07
Diablo-D3go fuck yourselfMar 07 05:07
MinceRlolMar 07 05:07
gnufreexI am not insulting youMar 07 05:08
gnufreexok, maybe a littleMar 07 05:08
Diablo-D3I think you're aware how much I hate DrepperMar 07 05:08
gnufreexI am notMar 07 05:08
Diablo-D3You are now.Mar 07 05:08
gnufreexgive some AMD linksMar 07 05:09
gnufreexI want to see that RISC modeMar 07 05:09
Diablo-D3do it yourself.Mar 07 05:09
gnufreexI just get links about AM2900Mar 07 05:10
gnufreexGoogle doesn't know about that thing you talk aboutMar 07 05:10
Diablo-D3hmm googles uselessMar 07 05:10
Diablo-D3gnufreex: ask nenolod about itMar 07 05:10
Diablo-D3I think he might have a copy of the gcc patches too, Im not sureMar 07 05:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Ubuntu 11.10 named #Oneiric Ocelot http://goo.gl/19ghBMar 07 05:11
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gnufreexWikipedia and Google don't know about it. Mar 07 05:13
gnufreexAnd I don't know how to find nenolodMar 07 05:14
Diablo-D3....Mar 07 05:14
Diablo-D3you're fucking meMar 07 05:14
Diablo-D3oneiric ocelot?Mar 07 05:14
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*Diablo-D3 blows up shuttlecockMar 07 05:14
Diablo-D3this man needs to be stoppedMar 07 05:14
Diablo-D3before he destroys linux any furtherMar 07 05:14
gnufreexWho?Mar 07 05:15
gnufreexYOu don't make any sensesMar 07 05:15
Diablo-D3[05:11:41] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [webupd8/@webupd8] Ubuntu 11.10 Codename Announced: Oneiric Ocelot http://bit.ly/htITaYMar 07 05:15
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Diablo-D3shuttlecockMar 07 05:15
Diablo-D3needs to be stoppedMar 07 05:15
Diablo-D3at all costsMar 07 05:15
gnufreexlolMar 07 05:15
gnufreexShuttleworthlessMar 07 05:16
Diablo-D3shuttlecock is betterMar 07 05:16
gnufreexBut it is impoliteMar 07 05:16
Diablo-D3shuttlecock == a tiny little peice of plastic you beat with a racketMar 07 05:16
gnufreexAhhMar 07 05:17
Diablo-D3http://www.timvansant.com/otoh/photo/shuttlecock.jpgMar 07 05:17
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeMar 07 05:17
Diablo-D3what a shuttlecock might look likeMar 07 05:17
gnufreexhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BadmintonMar 07 05:17
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MinceRand its arch enemy, GoodmintonMar 07 05:18
gnufreexlolMar 07 05:19
gnufreexWe better think something that is really "impolite" since shuttlecock is politeness zealot. Mar 07 05:19
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MinceRmore like politeness hypocriteMar 07 05:20
gnufreexYeah.Mar 07 05:20
gnufreexSaying "Fedora is RHEL's open core" makes him like Bill Gates when said "nobody can improve GPL software". Lying with straight face. Mar 07 05:22
Diablo-D3ermMar 07 05:22
Diablo-D3I would like to say thats full of shitMar 07 05:22
Diablo-D3Fedora is RHEL without the enterprise supportMar 07 05:22
gnufreexsoMar 07 05:22
gnufreex?Mar 07 05:22
MinceRno, that's CentOSMar 07 05:22
Diablo-D3MinceR: not quiteMar 07 05:22
MinceRFedora is the testing to RHEL's stable :>Mar 07 05:22
gnufreexFedoa is oposite of open coreMar 07 05:22
Diablo-D3wellMar 07 05:23
Diablo-D3lets try this a different wayMar 07 05:23
gnufreexRhel is subset of FedoraMar 07 05:23
Diablo-D3rhel isnt closed.Mar 07 05:23
gnufreexThey take out stuff.Mar 07 05:23
MinceRfedora doesn't even have the 'hide your work' policy to kernel patchesMar 07 05:23
Diablo-D3open core implies its paired with closed source shitMar 07 05:23
Diablo-D3rhel is open.Mar 07 05:23
gnufreexDiablo-D3 That is what I am saying. RHEL is open. Shuttlewroth says it is closed.Mar 07 05:23
Diablo-D3thats ironyMar 07 05:24
Diablo-D3ubuntu is closedMar 07 05:24
Diablo-D3they ship with mono in the default installMar 07 05:24
Diablo-D3mono is closed sourceMar 07 05:24
gnufreexMono is bait sourceMar 07 05:24
Diablo-D3its closed source.Mar 07 05:24
MinceRit's nonfreeMar 07 05:24
Diablo-D3its more nonfree than normal nonfreeMar 07 05:24
gnufreexIf it was closed, we would not have problemsMar 07 05:24
MinceRindeedMar 07 05:24
Diablo-D3nonfree stuff usually doesnt get you sued.Mar 07 05:24
gnufreexIt would be outMar 07 05:24
Diablo-D3mono WILL get you seudMar 07 05:24
gnufreexI hope Attackmate close it.Mar 07 05:25
Diablo-D3microsoft can sue you just for _using_ it as an end userMar 07 05:25
Diablo-D3but this is why Java isnt the same thing...Mar 07 05:25
Diablo-D3Oracle cant fight Java.Mar 07 05:25
MinceRpatent lawsuits can apply to the user?Mar 07 05:25
Diablo-D3Java isnt a Sun productMar 07 05:25
MinceRjava is an obstacle productMar 07 05:25
Diablo-D3its a product of the java communityMar 07 05:25
gnufreexDiablo-D3 Problem with Mono is that it won't get you sued. It will get you bullied. Mar 07 05:26
Diablo-D3Java belongs to Apache, Jboss, and everyone else tooMar 07 05:26
gnufreexMSFT has no guts to sue.Mar 07 05:26
Diablo-D3theres no Mono Community ProcessMar 07 05:26
gnufreexThey want to bully ad infinitumMar 07 05:26
Diablo-D3this is why Mono will always be closed source: no one fights for itMar 07 05:26
Diablo-D3its patentware, and no one caresMar 07 05:26
Diablo-D3Mono is of no valueMar 07 05:26
MinceRgnufreex: i think they'll have to back up their threats eventuallyMar 07 05:26
Diablo-D3we already have Java, and it works better; why do we need a slower more bloated clone?Mar 07 05:26
MinceRwith a lawsuitMar 07 05:26
Diablo-D3and btw, yes, you CAN be sued, as a userMar 07 05:27
MinceRDiablo-D3: because it was Not Invented Here, obviously.Mar 07 05:27
Diablo-D3Microsoft just has to make up shitMar 07 05:27
Diablo-D3and also, there are no non-MS impls of C#Mar 07 05:27
gnufreexMicrosoft is like insecure fat kid that bullies everyone. eventually someone kicks his ass and fatso goes crying to momy.Mar 07 05:27
MinceRthey still infringeMar 07 05:27
Diablo-D3theres at least 5 fully functional JVMs out thereMar 07 05:27
Diablo-D3apache harmony and dalvik being two of themMar 07 05:28
MinceRif not core "c#", then the librariesMar 07 05:28
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MinceRgoogle is being sued for dalvik, thoughMar 07 05:28
Diablo-D3MinceR: yes, using invalid patentsMar 07 05:28
MinceRkind of puts a damper on java's opennessMar 07 05:28
Diablo-D3but this is what I was sayingMar 07 05:28
Diablo-D3no one is standing up for MonoMar 07 05:28
MinceRit's not as bad as mono, but it's still pretty badMar 07 05:28
Diablo-D3because Mono does, and always will belong to MicrosoftMar 07 05:28
Diablo-D3Oracle == MicrosoftMar 07 05:28
Diablo-D3its the same fucking shitMar 07 05:28
Diablo-D3rich people trying to destroy the hard work of othersMar 07 05:29
Diablo-D3Java is 10 years of hard work Mar 07 05:29
Diablo-D3not just by Sun, but by Java coders everywhereMar 07 05:29
Diablo-D3when Sun GPL'ed it, that was Sun's promise to everyone that Java will be foreverMar 07 05:29
Diablo-D3Oracle cant destroy thatMar 07 05:29
Diablo-D3its a one way tripMar 07 05:29
Diablo-D3patents cant stop JavaMar 07 05:29
Diablo-D3and Oracle is the enemy of JavaMar 07 05:29
Diablo-D3the moment Sun did that, Sun gave Java to everyoneMar 07 05:31
Diablo-D3Oracle is trying to go door to door and barge in and grab it backMar 07 05:31
Diablo-D3This is why sw patents need to be wiped outMar 07 05:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Ubuntu Classroom: Summary of Ubuntu Developer Week http://goo.gl/wnlYMMar 07 05:31
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Diablo-D3not because of cases like Mono, but cases like JavaMar 07 05:31
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MinceRindeed, it is one of the reasonsMar 07 05:31
MinceRbut mono is another reason, VFAT is yet anotherMar 07 05:31
MinceRthe MPEG-LA cartel is yet anotherMar 07 05:32
Diablo-D3hehMar 07 05:32
Diablo-D3mpeg-la is fuckedMar 07 05:32
MinceRit's not fucked fast enoughMar 07 05:32
Diablo-D3DoJ is thinking about smacking them around a bit and make them their bitchMar 07 05:32
MinceRthey're still around and they can still do damageMar 07 05:32
MinceRi doubt that an organ of a bitch of the megacorps owning the cartel can really do thatMar 07 05:33
gnufreexLarry horn needs to go to jailMar 07 05:33
MinceRm$ and crApple will just tell their puppets what to do to the DoJMar 07 05:33
MinceR(maybe directly the main puppet, obama)Mar 07 05:33
gnufreexI think that every company that passes 50bn in revenue should be splitMar 07 05:34
gnufreexMegacorporations make huge problemsMar 07 05:34
MinceRthey'd just cook the books to make revenue seem smallerMar 07 05:34
gnufreexHP should be split, MS should be split, IBM should be split. No exceptionMar 07 05:34
gnufreexOr find some other metricsMar 07 05:34
MinceRi think the people should not be prevented from forming armed mobs to kill people like ballmer and larryMar 07 05:35
DaemonFChas anyone seen working Pidgin 2.7.x packages for EL 6?Mar 07 05:35
*DaemonFC scratches his headMar 07 05:35
gnufreexDid you look EPEL?Mar 07 05:36
DaemonFCEPEL has Pidgin Plugin Pack for Pidgin 2.6.6Mar 07 05:37
DaemonFCwhich comes with RHELMar 07 05:37
MinceRwhat's EL/EPEL?Mar 07 05:37
*gnufreex don't use RHEL6 yet Mar 07 05:37
Diablo-D3wellMar 07 05:37
Diablo-D3the metric isMar 07 05:37
Diablo-D3is the company actively harming smaller companiesMar 07 05:37
Diablo-D3if soMar 07 05:37
gnufreexExtra packages for Enterprise Linux MinceRMar 07 05:37
Diablo-D3splitMar 07 05:37
DaemonFCMinceR, Enterprise Linux / Extra Packages for Enterprise LinuxMar 07 05:38
Diablo-D3and as much as you guys bitchMar 07 05:38
Diablo-D3its rare companies need to be splitMar 07 05:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] March Newsletter: Facebook failed revolution, legal news, a lot of love, Document Freedom Day and much more! http://link.fsfe.org/BZ6hxlMar 07 05:38
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Diablo-D3MS shouldnt be split because they ARENT a monopolyMar 07 05:38
Diablo-D3on anythingMar 07 05:38
Diablo-D3at allMar 07 05:38
MinceRwell, m$ doesn't need to be split, it needs to be dissolvedMar 07 05:38
Diablo-D3they dont sell the most video game machinesMar 07 05:38
DaemonFCTip 1, don't use AtRPMSMar 07 05:38
MinceRtheir assets should be used to offset the damage they've causedMar 07 05:38
DaemonFCTip 2, Use RPM Forge instead :)Mar 07 05:39
Diablo-D3they dont have the most "normal" computers running their OSMar 07 05:39
MinceRand for the rest of the damage, their upper management should be sent into penal servitudeMar 07 05:39
gnufreexDiablo-D3 how come not a monopoly?Mar 07 05:39
Diablo-D3gnufreex: see aboveMar 07 05:39
Diablo-D3microsoft just isnt relevantMar 07 05:39
*DaemonFC has AtRPMs there but disabled for a few odd packagesMar 07 05:39
Diablo-D3and Im not sure if it ever wasMar 07 05:39
MinceRthey still keep causing damageMar 07 05:39
DaemonFCit tries to take over your systemMar 07 05:39
MinceRremember that mobile phone maker called nokia?Mar 07 05:39
Diablo-D3they cause damage, sureMar 07 05:39
Diablo-D3but thats about itMar 07 05:39
Diablo-D3they need to be slammed for thatMar 07 05:39
MinceRm$ needs to be dissolved so that they can't keep causing damageMar 07 05:39
gnufreexThey have a monopoly on WIndowsMar 07 05:39
Diablo-D3but they're not BellMar 07 05:39
Diablo-D3theres nothing TO splitMar 07 05:40
MinceRand so that they can't keep corrupting governmentsMar 07 05:40
Diablo-D3gnufreex: noMar 07 05:40
Diablo-D3gnufreex: windows is just an osMar 07 05:40
Diablo-D3most normal computers dont run windows.Mar 07 05:40
gnufreexYes, and some people think Windows is computerMar 07 05:40
gnufreexSo Microsoft has monopoly on some people's mindsMar 07 05:40
Diablo-D3some people think Ford is made in AmericaMar 07 05:40
Diablo-D3what do stupid people have to do with this?Mar 07 05:40
gnufreexSo that is a crimeMar 07 05:40
Diablo-D3the reality isMar 07 05:40
Diablo-D3Microsoft is not importantMar 07 05:40
Diablo-D3they do not have a majority in anything usefulMar 07 05:40
MinceRm$ is an important threatMar 07 05:40
gnufreexMicrosoft dumbed those peopleMar 07 05:40
Diablo-D3gnufreex: no, they were born dumbMar 07 05:41
gnufreexTheir propagandaMar 07 05:41
Diablo-D3dont blame Microsoft for making people dumbMar 07 05:41
MinceRand so is crAppleMar 07 05:41
Diablo-D3Microsoft only took advantage of itMar 07 05:41
Diablo-D3Windows in normal computers us probably less than a third.Mar 07 05:41
Diablo-D3*isMar 07 05:41
MinceRand so is obstacleMar 07 05:41
gnufreexTaking advantage of mentaly retarded is crimeMar 07 05:41
Diablo-D3gnufreex: now that I agree withMar 07 05:41
Diablo-D3but these people arent conisidered invalidsMar 07 05:41
Diablo-D3so theres no way thereMar 07 05:42
MinceRDiablo-D3: depends on who you askMar 07 05:42
gnufreexMicrosoft made them invalid with Windows. Mar 07 05:42
Diablo-D3gnufreex: ...Mar 07 05:42
*Diablo-D3 whacks gnufreex with a batMar 07 05:42
*gnufreex whacks Diablo backMar 07 05:42
Diablo-D3we can have a nice conversation, or we can act like blind FOSS zealotsMar 07 05:42
Diablo-D3Microsoft is no different than any other large companyMar 07 05:43
gnufreexsorry, I was just practicingMar 07 05:43
MinceRactually they areMar 07 05:43
Diablo-D3they do not provide anything of use, they make a lot of money, and they try to abuse the system in their favor.Mar 07 05:43
Diablo-D3they're not a Bell or a Standard OilMar 07 05:43
MinceRthey've abused their monopolies much harder than others and they had monopolies over much more important fieldsMar 07 05:43
gnufreexIs there a way to set spell checker in Quassell?Mar 07 05:43
Diablo-D3MinceR: not reallyMar 07 05:43
MinceRcomputers control most modern technology, m$ nearly gained control of all of thatMar 07 05:43
gnufreexI am tired of typosMar 07 05:43
Diablo-D3they're _nothing_ compared to other industriesMar 07 05:43
MinceRother industries depend on ITMar 07 05:44
Diablo-D3MinceR: and, in the end, they didnt.Mar 07 05:44
Diablo-D3like I said, most normal computers dont run windowsMar 07 05:44
MinceRit was a close shotMar 07 05:44
Diablo-D3anda ll the not-normal computers? NONE do.Mar 07 05:44
MinceRi don't think that humanity should keep risking such thingsMar 07 05:44
Diablo-D3does your car run windows? or your microsoft? what about your tv? bluray player? nuclear power plant?Mar 07 05:44
Diablo-D3even your cell phone doesnt.Mar 07 05:45
MinceRimagine what would have happened if they managed to implement and push Palladium like they imagined itMar 07 05:45
MinceRsome cars doMar 07 05:45
MinceRnot mine, of courseMar 07 05:45
Diablo-D3the car doesntMar 07 05:45
MinceRbmw did put winblows ce on some of their carsMar 07 05:45
Diablo-D3some sort of interactive panel device runs a hacked up version of winmoMar 07 05:45
Diablo-D3and winmo isnt windowsMar 07 05:45
MinceRthat's about as idiotic as it gets when it comes to car designMar 07 05:45
Diablo-D3your car doesnt crash because winmo does.Mar 07 05:45
Diablo-D3its a fucking car radioMar 07 05:45
MinceRno, it's a lot more than a car radioMar 07 05:46
Diablo-D3or a gps deviceMar 07 05:46
Diablo-D3it doesnt _do_ anything of importantsMar 07 05:46
MinceRit takes over a lot of the controls in the carMar 07 05:46
Diablo-D3not reallyMar 07 05:46
MinceRit controls the heater and the AC, for exampleMar 07 05:47
MinceRnow imagine driving with fully fogged windowsMar 07 05:47
Diablo-D3it doesntMar 07 05:47
MinceRdoesn't seem so safe, does it?Mar 07 05:47
Diablo-D3all it does is pass through the stuff on a dumb serial connectionMar 07 05:47
MinceRhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/IDriveMar 07 05:47
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MinceR"allows the driver and front-seat passenger (in recent cars it is available to back-seat passengers as well) to control such amenities as the climate (air conditioner and heater),"Mar 07 05:47
Diablo-D3and heres the fun partMar 07 05:47
Diablo-D3Ive never seen it.Mar 07 05:47
Diablo-D3ever.Mar 07 05:47
Diablo-D3no one owns bizzaro shit like thisMar 07 05:47
Diablo-D3MinceR: oh, and btwMar 07 05:48
MinceRwell, no one i know owns a bmwMar 07 05:48
Diablo-D3that has to pass the law.Mar 07 05:48
Diablo-D3if theres actually a legitimate issue with it, it would have never been soldMar 07 05:48
MinceRDiablo-D3: the law doesn't really apply to rich people and companies.Mar 07 05:48
MinceRhaven't you noticed?Mar 07 05:48
Diablo-D3the car's computer itself runs normal car softwareMar 07 05:48
Diablo-D3MinceR: not quite.Mar 07 05:48
Diablo-D3because the OTHER companies paid for these lawsMar 07 05:49
Diablo-D3the current state of car laws is to drive foreign manufacturers out of the USMar 07 05:49
Diablo-D3why do you think the media and the government attacked toyota so hard for a problem that didnt existMar 07 05:49
Diablo-D3because they're made in America and the best cars in the worldMar 07 05:49
MinceRDiablo-D3: because it's usian media and toyota is japaneseMar 07 05:49
Diablo-D3MinceR: seeMar 07 05:50
Diablo-D3thats the hilarityMar 07 05:50
MinceRyanks were desperate because their two darling car companies were strugglingMar 07 05:50
Diablo-D3if you want American, you buy Toyota.Mar 07 05:50
MinceRbecause they couldn't come up with cars that didn't fucking suckMar 07 05:50
Diablo-D3if you want Mexican, you buy Ford, Chrysler, or GMMar 07 05:50
Diablo-D3but the laws exist to attack foreign car companiesMar 07 05:51
Diablo-D3so yesMar 07 05:51
Diablo-D3if there was an actual real problem with idriveMar 07 05:51
Diablo-D3it wouldnt have been in productionMar 07 05:51
Diablo-D3and EU car laws are even worse than US onesMar 07 05:51
Diablo-D3MinceR: oh, and these giant car panels?Mar 07 05:53
Diablo-D3they may be in violation of the law anyhowMar 07 05:53
Diablo-D3even our "domestic" carsMar 07 05:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @mjasay @jspaleta Fair enough. Not that anyone from that high up in Canonical would talk to me, but I guess you're on record now.Mar 07 05:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @mjasay @jspaleta You gotta understand that it looked a bit suspicious from the outside...Mar 07 05:53
Diablo-D3so the issue becomes increasingly mootMar 07 05:53
Diablo-D3but lets go back to what we were really talking aboutMar 07 05:53
Diablo-D3microsoft has to _lie_ to appear they have a majorityMar 07 05:53
Diablo-D3let that sink in a bitMar 07 05:53
Diablo-D3they are LYING about their majorityMar 07 05:54
Diablo-D3the implication is, THEY DO NOT HAVE A MAJORITYMar 07 05:54
MinceRDiablo-D3: you're overlooking that the idrive was a vector to ship usian crapMar 07 05:54
MinceRwinblows ceMar 07 05:54
Diablo-D3the money to be made is in all kinds embedded shit, in enterprise, in shit like thatMar 07 05:54
Diablo-D3microsoft doesnt exist there.Mar 07 05:54
MinceRof course they won't pick an issue over thatMar 07 05:54
Diablo-D3sure, theres wince/winmo/winphone7Mar 07 05:54
Diablo-D3but no one owns shit with that in itMar 07 05:54
Diablo-D3people run linux and vxworks on shitMar 07 05:55
MinceRi'll go eat lunch because the company network is fuckedMar 07 05:56
Diablo-D3dvd/bluray players, and mp3 players, and tvs, and cars, and routers, and whateverMar 07 05:56
Diablo-D3they run linux or vxworksMar 07 05:56
Diablo-D3military weapons run vxworksMar 07 05:56
Diablo-D3sats run vxworksMar 07 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] https://apps.mozillalabs.com/appdir/Mar 07 05:56
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Diablo-D3cell phones are blackberry or linux or whateverMar 07 05:56
Diablo-D3game machines, 360 is virtually a failureMar 07 05:57
*gnufreex thinks vxworks is overratedMar 07 05:57
Diablo-D3its all wii or DS or ps3 Mar 07 05:57
Diablo-D3no one owns a fucking 360Mar 07 05:57
Diablo-D3in all the things that are important for making moneyMar 07 05:57
Diablo-D3microsoft is in none of themMar 07 05:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Be Careful What You Wish For: Taiwan Using US Pressured #Patent Laws Against US Companies - http://bit.ly/eabEh8 yupMar 07 05:58
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gnufreexvxworks is now owned by Intel, so it is deadMar 07 05:58
gnufreexThey will put intelismsMar 07 05:58
gnufreexMake it slow on ARMMar 07 05:58
Diablo-D3btwMar 07 05:59
Diablo-D3it doesnt matter if vxworks is overratedMar 07 05:59
Diablo-D3the fact is its not microsoft'sMar 07 05:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Kinect Controlled Delta-Robot - http://bit.ly/gGHpxi with a dash of #arduinoMar 07 06:00
Diablo-D3everytime you see the missile camera plow into a terrorist? microsoft had nothing to do with that.Mar 07 06:00
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Diablo-D3gnufreex: and btw, vxworks is a _b_illion dollar industryMar 07 06:00
Diablo-D3and even if intel did own it, they are so deep under contract they couldnt touch itMar 07 06:01
Diablo-D3vxworks is what makes the most mission critical of shit functionMar 07 06:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh the strong emotion of hate reinforced with passion makes that statement quite biblic :)Mar 07 06:01
Diablo-D3there are competitors, of courseMar 07 06:01
gnufreexNucleusMar 07 06:01
Diablo-D3but all the competitors arent owned by microsoft either.Mar 07 06:01
gnufreexQNXMar 07 06:02
Diablo-D3gnufreex: they dont install QNX on sats and military hardware.Mar 07 06:02
Diablo-D3or nuclear power plantsMar 07 06:02
gnufreexhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleus_OSMar 07 06:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Three announces unlimited data for Pay-As-You-Go customers - http://bit.ly/ed8ytY but unlimited unlimited, or just unlimited? #mobile #dataMar 07 06:03
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gnufreexWe need something like that to be FLOSS.Mar 07 06:03
Diablo-D3blehMar 07 06:03
Diablo-D3all thats boring shitMar 07 06:03
Diablo-D3every single thing on that list can be ran with linuxMar 07 06:03
Diablo-D3except that defibrillator at the bottomMar 07 06:03
Diablo-D3I'd rather that be vxworksMar 07 06:04
Diablo-D3The Infineon S-Gold2 baseband chip used in Apple's iPhone[9]Mar 07 06:04
Diablo-D3LOLMar 07 06:04
Diablo-D3gnufreex: but you're missing the pointMar 07 06:04
Diablo-D3Microsoft has no way in.Mar 07 06:04
Diablo-D3the most lucrative technology markets are extreme computing (military/space/extremely mission critical), high end enterprise, and games.Mar 07 06:05
Diablo-D3microsoft has nothing for the first two, and the last one they failed twiceMar 07 06:05
gnufreexThey said that for serversMar 07 06:05
gnufreexAnd they pushed their incompetentce into serversMar 07 06:06
Diablo-D3microsoft is in low end enterprise a tiny bit, but not enough to really bother mentioningMar 07 06:06
Diablo-D3its almost all linux thereMar 07 06:06
gnufreexThey have more than 50% serversMar 07 06:06
Diablo-D3and on home computing on the PCs themselves.... thats about it.Mar 07 06:06
Diablo-D3gnufreex: nope.Mar 07 06:06
Diablo-D3not even close.Mar 07 06:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Moving beyond the #Microsoft #monoculture - http://bit.ly/hcL7Nq it's the end of an era - but problems will linger onMar 07 06:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Protocols mangling... http://xkcd.com/869/ ;-)Mar 07 06:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] HTC reportedly secures 1 million orders for HTC Flyer - http://bit.ly/i7P4BJ just the start #android #htcMar 07 06:06
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Diablo-D3on any actual enterprise, its hard to find windows.Mar 07 06:06
Diablo-D3its on the sub-enterprise shit windows floats aroundMar 07 06:07
Diablo-D3just because you're a company with 20 people and have a LAN box doesnt mean you're enterprise.Mar 07 06:07
gnufreexI am not talking "true scotsmen" enterprise, that is hard to defineMar 07 06:07
gnufreexServefsMar 07 06:07
gnufreex*serversMar 07 06:07
gnufreexthey have 50%Mar 07 06:07
Diablo-D3servers makes no senseMar 07 06:07
Diablo-D3lots of people claim to have servers and dont.Mar 07 06:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Be Careful What You Wish For: Taiwan Using US Pressured #Patent Laws Against US Companies - http://bit.ly/eabEh8 yupMar 07 06:08
Diablo-D3like I said, just because you have 20 people and a "server" doesnt mean you're enterprise.Mar 07 06:08
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gnufreexpeople talked that Windows Server will never sell. And by technical merit, it shouldn't.Mar 07 06:09
gnufreexBut they made 15bn last yearMar 07 06:09
gnufreexfrom STB divisionMar 07 06:09
Diablo-D3which means nothing.Mar 07 06:09
Diablo-D3imagine if Linux wasnt freeMar 07 06:10
gnufreexIt means they pushed their Jihad over comon reason. Mar 07 06:10
gnufreexPeople shouldn't touch their crapMar 07 06:10
Diablo-D3it'd be hundreds of billionsMar 07 06:10
gnufreexAnd they are forcedMar 07 06:10
gnufreexBy HP and suchMar 07 06:10
gnufreexand DellMar 07 06:10
Diablo-D3maybe trillionsMar 07 06:10
Diablo-D3gnufreex: not trueMar 07 06:10
Diablo-D3Dell and HP both sell Linux on their enterprise shitMar 07 06:10
gnufreexThey sell, but they "recomend" windowsMar 07 06:11
Diablo-D3they dont really recommend anythingMar 07 06:11
Diablo-D3they sell computersMar 07 06:11
gnufreexGo on site.Mar 07 06:11
gnufreexBig lettersMar 07 06:11
Diablo-D3no one cares about "a site"Mar 07 06:11
Diablo-D3its a fucking templateMar 07 06:11
Diablo-D3no one caresMar 07 06:11
Diablo-D3no one is buying windows on the serverMar 07 06:12
gnufreex"Life without walls - Windows 7"Mar 07 06:12
Diablo-D3soMar 07 06:12
Diablo-D3the ONLY placeMar 07 06:12
Diablo-D3the _ONLY_ placeMar 07 06:12
Diablo-D3microsoft ever took offMar 07 06:12
Diablo-D3was on the desktopMar 07 06:12
Diablo-D3which makes no real moneyMar 07 06:12
Diablo-D3I have no clue how Microsoft got so big, but it wasnt from selling Windows.Mar 07 06:12
gnufreexI tihnk it is stiupidest marketing phrase everMar 07 06:13
Diablo-D3all marketing phrases are stupidMar 07 06:13
gnufreexWhere you put Windows 7 if you don't have wall?Mar 07 06:13
Diablo-D3gnufreex: maybe its some sort of all glass houseMar 07 06:13
gnufreexNobody will put it on computerMar 07 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How To Add MinimizeAnd Maximize Buttons Back In Gnome Shell ~ Web Upd8 http://ping.fm/ijUV3Mar 07 06:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I really wish Facebook and Skype weren't going to work together http://ping.fm/elnsGMar 07 06:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh I'm guessing you're taking my joke it a bit more seriously than I ever expected. I'm sorry to have irked you :)Mar 07 06:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh full ack, agree and subscribe. :) Did you ever read asimov's short story Nightfall? Interesting view on religion there :)Mar 07 06:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh Lighten up :) Everytime you loose the sense of humour a kitten dies!Mar 07 06:23
gnufreexDiablo-D3: wrt k10 risc, BulMar 07 06:24
gnufreexbulldozer will have different ISA?Mar 07 06:24
gnufreexInternal one that is?Mar 07 06:24
gnufreexI think yesMar 07 06:24
gnufreexThey won't bother making that workMar 07 06:24
Diablo-D3no.Mar 07 06:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Slur “Open Core”: Toward More Diligent Analysis - http://bit.ly/egDdle interesting reflection on a contentious topic #opensourceMar 07 06:25
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Diablo-D3the radeon cores arent aprt of the cpu coreMar 07 06:25
Diablo-D3they're native htx cores in their own rightMar 07 06:25
gnufreexYou mean, it will have same RISC instructions  as K10Mar 07 06:25
Diablo-D3it IS a k10.Mar 07 06:25
gnufreex?Mar 07 06:25
Diablo-D3well, maybe a k11Mar 07 06:25
Diablo-D3gnufreex: btwMar 07 06:25
gnufreexBulldozer is not k10Mar 07 06:25
Diablo-D3each one does have slightly different instructionsMar 07 06:25
gnufreexIt is completely differentMar 07 06:25
Diablo-D3gnufreex: noMar 07 06:25
Diablo-D3its not as different as you thinkMar 07 06:25
gnufreexThey don't specify RISC instructions, meaning that they won't bother keeping them compatibleMar 07 06:26
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gnufreexNothing runs on thatMar 07 06:26
Diablo-D3gnufreex: they're not compatible largely.Mar 07 06:27
gnufreexso it is waste of resources to test Mar 07 06:27
Diablo-D3its not a specification.Mar 07 06:27
Diablo-D3as I said aboveMar 07 06:27
Diablo-D3they have an op for everything the hw doesMar 07 06:27
Diablo-D3theres no ops for things the hardware doesnt do.Mar 07 06:27
Diablo-D3so if they remove something, the op goesMar 07 06:27
Diablo-D3if they add something, they add an opMar 07 06:27
gnufreexYeah but Buldozer is significant redesign. I think K7 to K10 had pretty same design.Mar 07 06:28
gnufreexBut bulldozer is way differentMar 07 06:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Debian honoured with LNM award for Outstanding Contribution to Free Software http://ping.fm/KKr2oMar 07 06:30
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gnufreexI know only those things they published on sites, but there is longer pipeline, fused cores.. Mar 07 06:30
gnufreexIt is 2 cores like one. Mar 07 06:30
gnufreexThey first said it will be posible to gang themMar 07 06:30
gnufreexlike oneMar 07 06:30
gnufreexbut they backed awayMar 07 06:30
gnufreexThat was pipe dream imhoMar 07 06:31
gnufreexBut it can still gang together two FPUsMar 07 06:31
gnufreexThat is nothing newMar 07 06:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Amazon outlines #Android bill of rights - http://bit.ly/gP6xX6 interesting details on how #Google & #Amazon use #DRM in their app storesMar 07 06:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Any hardcore plone developers looking for a good job with a cool company in Berne, Switzerland? Let me know. #freesoftware #jobs !gnu !fsfeMar 07 06:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Who herded the cats? - http://bit.ly/h5Gg4m "the future is catching up with us, and we need to free the thinkers again"; nice pieceMar 07 06:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh I feel that pain too, but sometimes we redirect it against the wrong people. Controlling that is... hard.Mar 07 06:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #DistroWatch Weekly Issue 395 has been released. This week's featured distro: #ArchBang !Linux 2011 http://goo.gl/a7JBdMar 07 06:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Working to fix mapping on the !LO !Minecraft server... Looking good.Mar 07 06:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Computational X - http://bit.ly/hT0H0M "Computational grass mowing...Computational knitting" er, right...Mar 07 06:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: There will be a live #LinuxOutlaws recording tonight as usual, folks. 19:00 UTC (ish). Be there!Mar 07 06:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Next after Natty? - http://bit.ly/fJ9Vcs will be...</drumroll> "Oneiric Ocelot". #shuttleworth explains why "oddball octopus" is out #ubuntuMar 07 06:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oneiric Ocelot? Are you SERIOUS???? Nobody can even SAY that! The UbuFAIL just gets harder and harder... #ubuntuMar 07 06:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Coming soon: Ubuntu HerpderpMar 07 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] And I thought "Lovelock" was a shit name..... LOLMar 07 06:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh meh I reckon you didn't :)Mar 07 06:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Crowdsourced is not #OpenSource - http://bit.ly/dGwMbi "they are very different, most importantly in the ownership of the outcome"Mar 07 06:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Towards Pirate Parties International Conference - http://bit.ly/hdHI6v a few places left, apparentlyMar 07 06:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ghana Photographer telling Africa's story through his lens: Independence Day Celebration in Pictures http://ping.fm/WTet3Mar 07 06:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux Has Domination, #Microsoft Has Vapourware http://ur1.ca/3ewdb #vapourware #win8 #androidMar 07 06:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Linux Has Domination, Microsoft Has Vapourware http://ur1.ca/3ewdb #vaporware #windows8Mar 07 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #BSA (Microsoft Front), MPEG Cartel (Backed by Microsoft and Apple), and Gates Foundation Under Scrutiny for Patent Play http://ur1.ca/3ewdsMar 07 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] BSA, MPEG Cartel (Backed by Microsoft and Apple), and Gates Foundation Under Scrutiny for Patent Play http://ur1.ca/3ewds #swpatsMar 07 06:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Moving houses. Will be back online ASAP. #SidenoteMar 07 06:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] In case you missed it like I did... Nicely done Free Software advertising video: Linspotting http://vimeo.com/15474925Mar 07 06:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Amazon outlines !Android bill of rights at the Register http://ping.fm/dKKJ1Mar 07 07:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Tadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! @th3k4ty has teh minecrafts! :DMar 07 07:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] You wouldn’t do this to a dog… - http://bit.ly/gURwD9 how not to do simple local government transactionsMar 07 07:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Got two new people on the Minecrafts this weekend. :PMar 07 07:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] /simon_creeper_voice That's a very nice everything you have there..... :PMar 07 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I think #accessibility could B the biggest practical issue 4 Unity, @popey. !Gnome was rlly excellent in that area re: http://bit.ly/fzKHehMar 07 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ORG's Hargreaves Review submission - http://bit.ly/eI4n4X NB: plus two more reviews we need to submit sensible ideas to... #copyrightMar 07 07:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Interview with David Hammerstein on #WIPO treaty for persons who are #blind - http://bit.ly/g1ClEy "#France is the most adamant in opposing"Mar 07 07:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Next Ubuntu Version Codenamed "Oneiric Ocelot" http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/oneiric-ocelot/Mar 07 07:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hacker discovers PS3 3.56 exploit, will not release - scared of Sony? http://ping.fm/Qwa0bMar 07 07:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @lxnews: Next Ubuntu Version Codenamed "Oneiric Ocelot" http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/oneiric-ocelot/Mar 07 07:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Jesus. Having to re-render the !LO #Minecraft map because the map format changed. It's taking fucking AGES.... OoMar 07 07:21
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MinceRreMar 07 07:26
MinceR121207 < gnufreex> "Life without walls - Windows 7"Mar 07 07:28
MinceRi was just thinkingMar 07 07:28
MinceRif they have no walls, what the fuck do they need windows for?Mar 07 07:28
gnufreexIn world without walls and fences, nobody needs Windows and Gates. Mar 07 07:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !openSUSE, #Banshee and the root of all evil http://ping.fm/YesHoMar 07 07:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Which virtual machine managers are in the !opensuse repos?Mar 07 07:30
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oiaohmI remember windows 1.0 that had a sanely shape windows picture.Mar 07 07:30
oiaohmFuture versions had a pciture of a window you would never fit to a house.Mar 07 07:30
gnufreexlolMar 07 07:31
gnufreexGates wants to brake your wallMar 07 07:31
gnufreexHere is another interesting thing:Mar 07 07:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Dear Google/Youtube, why if I joined the HTML5 you don't use HTML5 as default? #JustaskingMar 07 07:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Three good reasons to buy an open-PC - CIO Magazine http://ping.fm/LtZkdMar 07 07:31
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gnufreexWindows XP had "My Computer"Mar 07 07:31
gnufreexVista had "Computer"Mar 07 07:32
gnufreexand W7 tooMar 07 07:32
MinceR(flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M63gJdqc4j0Mar 07 07:32
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MinceRthere's a winblows window in that oneMar 07 07:32
gnufreexAn now they might put "Microsoft computer" (aka cloud) on W8Mar 07 07:32
gnufreexThey are stealing peoples computerMar 07 07:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Index on Censorship » Blog Archive » Freedom sacrificed for an easy life, in Apple’s Brave New World http://ping.fm/FuFUBMar 07 07:33
gnufreexAnd convincing them that it not their (no My Computer).Mar 07 07:33
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MinceRthey're climbing your windowsMar 07 07:34
MinceRsnatching your PCs upMar 07 07:34
gnufreexThey steal your hardrive and say: "Go to azure cloud"Mar 07 07:35
gnufreex" no need for local storage"Mar 07 07:35
gnufreexno, wait, that's googleMar 07 07:35
MinceRm$ wants to be google, thoughMar 07 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Digia to acquire #Qt commercial licensing business from #Nokia http://goo.gl/bbOy0 !gnu - via @hupMar 07 07:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Next Ubuntu Version Codenamed "Oneiric Ocelot" http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/oneiric-ocelot/Mar 07 07:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] Nokia sold Qt to Digia. What's the next step?Mar 07 07:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @popey And I gotta be honest I'm not sure using Psychological terms is a great move (only context I've read it in)Mar 07 07:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Zoche v Wikipedia jetzt auch beim SPIEGEL im Netzwerkticker - ganz unten: http://ur1.ca/3ewz2 cc @georgzoche @netzpolitik @udovetterMar 07 07:45
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MinceRlooks like Qt is getting into a safer situation thenMar 07 07:46
gnufreexwho's digia?Mar 07 07:46
gnufreexI hope it isn't MSFT DroneMar 07 07:46
MinceRso do iMar 07 07:46
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gnufreexoh crapMar 07 07:47
gnufreexthey only sold dual licensing bussinesMar 07 07:47
gnufreexthey still keep devsMar 07 07:47
MinceRthis does mean that another company will at least push them to keep Qt alive and goingMar 07 07:48
gnufreexdigia will only send sales droids to Qt users to try to collect money.Mar 07 07:48
MinceRor notMar 07 07:48
MinceRi guess it's "wait and see" again :>Mar 07 07:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] At first sight, Digia doesn't look so bad at all: http://goo.gl/i9TfcMar 07 07:50
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gnufreexhttp://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/nokia-sells-non-mobile-licensing-ops-to-digia/articleshow/7647386.cmsMar 07 07:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @toros They only sold non-mobile proprietary licensing business. Development of Qt stays at Nokia. It is not great news.Mar 07 07:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #Firefox 4: Get Tabs In The Title Bar (Like Chrome) http://goo.gl/6g3HdMar 07 08:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I may need a new keyboard soonMar 07 08:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Funny. Yet another opening. This time: Capable system administrator with Python skills sought who is willing to work in Zurich. !fsfe !gnuMar 07 08:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Dear Universities, are you listening? Free Software competency is almost a job guarantee these days!Mar 07 08:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2011-03-07: Commitment to Open Rbust reply from Red Hat concerning their decision to stop sharing det... http://wmk.me/g4hSXeMar 07 08:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Nokia sells #Qt non-mobile proprietary relicensing to #Digia. Rest of Qt (incl. whole dev team) stays at #Nokia http://ur1.ca/3ex82Mar 07 08:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] European public administrations "needlessly spending millions" due to software vendor lock-in http://ur1.ca/3e6pmMar 07 08:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Loving @th3k4ty's #Minecraft dents! :DMar 07 08:25
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GoForbes28what is this, techrights without Roy?!!Mar 07 08:30
gnufreexGoForbes28 he said yesterday he is bussy... movingMar 07 08:31
nisshhGoForbes28, read his identi.ca he will be back ASAP :)Mar 07 08:31
nisshhhehMar 07 08:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] *now* im happy with my #.screenrc :)Mar 07 08:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Server is rendering the second zoom level for the map now.... Gods, this is slow! !loMar 07 08:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @karsten European public administrations "needlessly spending millions" due to software vendor lock-in http://ur1.ca/3e6pmMar 07 08:35
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GoForbes28seriously though, where is roy?  I've never seen him completely offline beforeMar 07 08:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Nokia sells off commercial and services arm of Qt - http://bit.ly/frBXpt hmmm (v @digitaldownfall) #nokia #qtMar 07 08:40
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nisshhGoForbes28, read his last dent....Mar 07 08:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Matt Zimmerman: Listening to users http://goo.gl/w6ICUMar 07 08:41
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oiaohmOk QT sold to digiaMar 07 08:42
gnufreexNot entire QtMar 07 08:43
gnufreexjust desktop relicensingMar 07 08:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] OpenStack Governance Update - http://bit.ly/eZPpQm trying to assuage concerns, maybe... #cloudcomputing #opensource (v @webmink)Mar 07 08:43
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gnufreexThe part that never had any meaning for nokiaMar 07 08:43
gnufreexand nobody really needs proprietary licenses, since it is LGPLMar 07 08:43
MinceRthey might still want support as a serviceMar 07 08:44
gnufreexElop could still kill QtMar 07 08:44
oiaohmhttp://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together/   Read more gnufreexMar 07 08:44
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MinceRelop can't kill Qt unless the KDE devs consent to itMar 07 08:45
gnufreexYeah... I meant damageMar 07 08:45
MinceRand now it seems that killing Qt would also need Digia's consentMar 07 08:45
oiaohmThe way this is written sould like trolltech staff are jumping ship.  gnufreexMar 07 08:45
MinceRwell, elop could FUD QtMar 07 08:45
oiaohmsould/soundsMar 07 08:45
gnufreexYeah I read that oiaohmMar 07 08:45
gnufreexI worry that financials warent dislosedMar 07 08:46
gnufreexIt means it is peanutsMar 07 08:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU governments could save millions by using #opensource on desktop - http://bit.ly/e2y03b interesting stats in paper (v @kgerloff @ggreve)Mar 07 08:46
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gnufreexhence, it is something irrelevantMar 07 08:46
gnufreexJust misdirection for ElopMar 07 08:47
oiaohmgnufreex: Its embeded services as well go to digiaMar 07 08:47
gnufreexto say "here, I sold it, so I am not a Trojan"Mar 07 08:47
oiaohmgnufreex: basically digia will have all the profitable lines of QtMar 07 08:47
gnufreexYeah, but they don't have developmentMar 07 08:47
gnufreexjust selling licenses that nobody needsMar 07 08:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "The FinUSB Suite is a tactical USB device, extracts predefined information from a target PC" - http://bit.ly/hMDqTa nasty (v @dozykraut)Mar 07 08:48
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gnufreexAnd nokia still has copyrightMar 07 08:48
gnufreexDigia just got permision to sell licensesMar 07 08:48
gnufreexNokia could still sell licenses to undercut them. Unless they agreed that they won't.Mar 07 08:49
gnufreexbut it doesn't say.Mar 07 08:49
gnufreexIt is basically nothingMar 07 08:49
gnufreexjust to fill the newsMar 07 08:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Novell Announces Commercially Supported LibreOffice Version http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/novell-commercially-supported-libreoffice/Mar 07 08:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China: #Tibet won't fall apart if Dalai Lama dies - http://bit.ly/hwfeYg i.e. we'll shoot anything that movesMar 07 08:50
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gnufreexmaybe to save them from forkMar 07 08:50
gnufreexto paralyze plans of KDE folksMar 07 08:50
gnufreexif they had plans to forkMar 07 08:50
oiaohmNokia will keep training.  gnufreexMar 07 08:52
oiaohmBut the split really puts the KDE guys in the strongest location.Mar 07 08:52
oiaohmBecause now the QT board could possibly become 1 Nokia 1 Digia and 2 KDEMar 07 08:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Having leftover pizza...Mar 07 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Such a wonderful day outside. Fucking shame we can't leave the house today. Damn fucking Karneval!!!Mar 07 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Charcoal really makes the starting out in !Minecraft a whole damn of a lot easier....Mar 07 08:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Of the community, not above the community | http://bit.ly/ghgBN9 #strategy #selfless #presentMar 07 09:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Oil Rush Available for Pre-Oder http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/oil-rush-available-for-pre-order/Mar 07 09:06
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DaemonFCI'm just learning all kinds of new things today :)Mar 07 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Shuttleworth: Next after Natty? http://lwn.net/Articles/431705/rssMar 07 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] another promo piece from #BBC begs the question "exactly who does Rory work for? http://tighturl.com/2zmsMar 07 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Rendering Level 4/8..... !LOMar 07 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @karsten: European public administrations "needlessly spending millions" due to software vendor lock-in http://ur1.ca/3e6pmMar 07 09:13
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DaemonFCDon't enable the Fastbugs repository in Scientific Linux, they don't keep it in sync with the 32-bit libraries and you end up conflicting with their official repositories Mar 07 09:14
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 09:14
*DaemonFC just spent a little while digging out some of those updates with the assistance of yumex and rpm -e --nodepsMar 07 09:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] I missed this news. Novell lost $18m in a quarter. http://ur1.ca/3exvy Balmer said no more coupons.Mar 07 09:15
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DaemonFCnow of course, had I actually read the documentation before installing this I would know that they recommend not leaving that updates repo enabled, and not using anything from it unless you encounter a bug in a particular packageMar 07 09:15
*DaemonFC is not known for reading documentation firstMar 07 09:15
DaemonFCNo more coupons from SweatyB, just a fire sale from the people who trusted him.Mar 07 09:17
DaemonFCB-)Mar 07 09:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Seems german company Gamma/Elaman sold some nasty spy SW to #Egyp SS - PDF here http://ur1.ca/3exwu via Heise [german] http://ur1.ca/3exwvMar 07 09:18
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DaemonFCMinceR, SweatyB will give you a 10% discount on Windows if you agree to buy >1000 site licensesMar 07 09:19
DaemonFCwhat say you? :)Mar 07 09:19
DaemonFCthe fastest way to get a concession from Microsoft is to say you're considering LinuxMar 07 09:19
gnufreexThis is first loss for Novell I know of. They were declining, but had no losses.Mar 07 09:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Nokia Sells Off Parts of Qt http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/nokia-sells-off-parts-of-qt/Mar 07 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Nokia sells its Qt licensing business to Digia http://lwn.net/Articles/431708/rssMar 07 09:20
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gnufreexNow they are in heavy losses.Mar 07 09:20
DaemonFCthe Marion, Indiana public library uses Red Hat, Microsoft couldn't go low enough to get their businessMar 07 09:20
DaemonFCthe library actually told them that paying people to support Windows and extra systems to run it would cost them more than using Red Hat even if Windows was freeMar 07 09:20
DaemonFCI got a kick out of thatMar 07 09:20
gnufreexIf sale to Attackmate fails, Novell is going bankrupt fast.  Mar 07 09:20
MinceRDaemonFC: i say he already knows where he can put those licenses :>Mar 07 09:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @lxnews: Nokia Sells Off Parts of Qt http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/nokia-sells-off-parts-of-qt/Mar 07 09:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nokia Sells Off Parts of Qt .::. Size~: 27.64 KBMar 07 09:21
DaemonFCMinceR, They have the systems set up so that it's one tower with 10 GPUs covers 10 workstationsMar 07 09:22
DaemonFCthree towers, 30 workstations :)Mar 07 09:22
DaemonFCI thought that was neat, I even got to use Pidgin :)Mar 07 09:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] More #elopcalypse ♺ @lxnews: Nokia Sells Off Parts of Qt http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/nokia-sells-off-parts-of-qt/Mar 07 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] TechCrunch comments now clipped thanks to Facebook presence: (Steve's Blog): http://bit.ly/gBliEOMar 07 09:25
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oiaohmgnufreex: funny enough Novell Linux departments are about the only parts growing.Mar 07 09:25
gnufreexI hope attackmate buy fails and Red Hat buys themMar 07 09:26
gnufreexthen they could do asset striping and even earn some cash.Mar 07 09:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @sparks: "I need to upgrade my laptop from !Ubuntu to !Fedora today." #overheardinmyoffice < *EvilGrin*Mar 07 09:26
DaemonFCRHEL 6 is a lot nicer than Debian 6Mar 07 09:28
*DaemonFC was having severe kernel latency issues with Debian's stock kernel for oneMar 07 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Rob Pegoraro - How to decipher tech rumors, the nerd equivalent of celebrity gossip http://wapo.st/f0T179Mar 07 09:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @osamak RT @freedomboxfndn Eben Moglen explains the !FreedomBox on CBS Evening News (flash req'd): http://ur1.ca/3exvq or donwload it...Mar 07 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] I'm taking Ars Technica off my RSS reader because they advertise for #Microsoft products too muchMar 07 09:30
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DaemonFCSL 6 feels like Fedora without the bugsMar 07 09:30
DaemonFCeverything that works right in Fedora is obviously hand picked for RHELMar 07 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat changes kernel source distribution in response to Oracle (H): http://bit.ly/egP4OcMar 07 09:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #GlennBeck 's syndicator runs a astroturf-on-demand call-in service for radio programs http://ur1.ca/3ey2uMar 07 09:31
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oiaohmDaemonFC: exactly Fedora is a testing distrobution.   Any distribution worse than fedora should be put down.Mar 07 09:34
oiaohmHello the keynote that was against the lca2011 rules have been released.  http://linuxconfau.blip.tv/file/4851926/Mar 07 09:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Bradley Manning Facing Death Charges, Forced to Be Naked Daily http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/bradley-manning-facing-death-charges/Mar 07 09:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @karsten European public administrations "needlessly spending millions" due to software vendor lock-in http://ur1.ca/3e6pmMar 07 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat: 'Yes, we undercut Oracle with hidden Linux patches' • Channel Register http://bit.ly/fli0UcMar 07 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] I have had it up to here with Perl and Mysql man pages, mailing lists and forums today!Mar 07 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] That Was Quick: Nokia Sells Qt Commercial To Digia: Following the announcement less than a month ago that Nokia ... http://bit.ly/hIxFUnMar 07 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonymousIRC: RT @TauxFu: Hacked e-mails show Web's usefulness in dirty-tricks campaigns http://wapo.st/fx0iQl #Wikileaks #HBGary #COCMar 07 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] German gov't signs new contract w/ Microsoft http://ur1.ca/3ey5i Anyone have call for tender, copy of contract? #procurement #failMar 07 09:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Source Ampersands - http://bit.ly/fc8nRE no, really (v @kirstinbutler @michael_nielsen) #webfont #ampersandMar 07 09:45
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DaemonFCoiaohm, This has been driving me nutsMar 07 09:46
DaemonFCwhere would I go to get a new Pidgin and Rhythmbox if that's possible?Mar 07 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] RT @kirschner ♻ @reiter: @mirkoboehm on #qt, #kde : http://ping.fm/1EaS7. His conclusion: This is a political issue [..]That is why I wi ...Mar 07 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Microsoft preparing mysterious announcement - Beware the Ideas of March http://bit.ly/gUJVWO #softwareMar 07 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] IBM fires back at Oracle in middleware fray (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/ekaKP3Mar 07 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Anthony Rota was lobbied by BELL CANADA on Mar. 03 http://bit.ly/dGN6RRMar 07 09:46
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DaemonFCPidgin obviously never changes all that much, but the new plug-in pack refuses to work with Pidgin 2.6.6 mostlyMar 07 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @amandapalmer: SOMEONE made very realistic vagina-themed cupcakes for my going-away melbourne dinner. #hot http://twitpic.com/473c1qMar 07 09:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat Defends Kernel Code Obfuscation | ITworld http://bit.ly/focgbnMar 07 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Eighty years ago my father was born. Left us too early. Ciao papà :'-)Mar 07 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Humble Bundle Creator Says Linux Matters http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/humble-bundle-creator-says-linux-matters/Mar 07 09:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonymousIRC: RT @OpPinkPower: #OpPinkPower launches March 8, International Women's Day #Anonymiss #Anonymous http://bit.ly/gb9HZzMar 07 09:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @oliviachow: Guess who has the worst voting attendance of all MPs in the House of Commons? Missing 59% of votes: http://bit.ly/gZMFaQ #fbMar 07 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Nokia Sells Off Parts of Qt http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/nokia-sells-off-parts-of-qt/Mar 07 09:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: I will be attending a funeral today. The wife of former Parry Sound MPP Lorne Maeck, Ivy Maeck, passed away.Mar 07 09:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Humble Bundle Creator Says Linux Matters http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/humble-bundle-creator-says-linux-matters/Mar 07 09:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: #Samsung announces the portrait QWERTY Galaxy Pro http://goo.gl/hwEo8 !androidMar 07 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Novell Announces Commercially Supported LibreOffice Version http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/novell-commercially-supported-libreo ...Mar 07 10:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Interesting day. Last week Libs attacked me 4 announcing policy on Twitter. This week they say I don't have policy...Mar 07 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @lxnews: Bradley Manning Facing Death Charges, Forced to Be Naked Daily http://lxnews.org/2011/03/07/bradley-manning-facing-death-charges/Mar 07 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Liberal critic also cribs from my remarks at Committee on #UBB, claims as his own & says I'm not doing anything! #cheekyMar 07 10:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: Islam and science: cowed Muslim physicist cancels lecture on evolution: http://t.co/79WSNX0Mar 07 10:05
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DaemonFCI love that the HPLIP build instructions have it spew crap all over your machineMar 07 10:05
DaemonFCall I really need are the CUPS driversMar 07 10:05
*DaemonFC tweaks this a bit :)Mar 07 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] Phil Collins retirement coverage distorted. http://www.philcollins.co.uk/news/breaking-news-message-philMar 07 10:06
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DaemonFCSystem Config Printer is good enough that as long as you have a CUPS driver, all you have to do is turn the printer onMar 07 10:07
DaemonFCtheir stupid documentation for HPLIP adds 4 MB to the build :)Mar 07 10:08
DaemonFCalso, I don't have a fax machineMar 07 10:08
DaemonFCand I won't be using it over a network :)Mar 07 10:08
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GoForbes28so gfx, what exactly does the QT "proprietary side" sale mean in terms of negative consequences?Mar 07 10:22
gnufreexAs it stands, it means nothingMar 07 10:22
gnufreexThey just get to resell proprietary licenses to those who want themMar 07 10:22
GoForbes28Then why is it bad news as you indicated?Mar 07 10:22
gnufreexBad news is that Elop still has QtMar 07 10:23
gnufreexNothing changedMar 07 10:23
GoForbes28Ah, that's whyMar 07 10:23
DaemonFCthere's nothing wrong with selling proprietary licenses for QTMar 07 10:23
GoForbes28Still, if they sell it, the company that gets the development "rights" may not be much betterMar 07 10:23
DaemonFCit's not going to lead to a fork, it just means that outfit can use QT without GPL-ing their productMar 07 10:23
gnufreexThat is problem too.Mar 07 10:23
DaemonFCOpera was using QT for a while like thatMar 07 10:24
DaemonFClook at it this way, it funds the salaries of a lot of QT developers at NokiaMar 07 10:24
MinceRthey can use Qt without GPL-ing their product anywayMar 07 10:24
MinceRQt is licensed under LGPL, remember?Mar 07 10:24
GoForbes28YesMar 07 10:24
gnufreexQt is LGPL Mar 07 10:24
DaemonFChmmMar 07 10:24
GoForbes28Like WineMar 07 10:24
gnufreexYesMar 07 10:24
DaemonFCwhy was Opera using it under a GPL opt-out?Mar 07 10:24
gnufreexNot even proprietary companies need licenseMar 07 10:24
gnufreexThey can use LGPL Mar 07 10:24
MinceRi see two points to commercial licensing: paid support and the ability to modify Qt without having to include its source codeMar 07 10:25
gnufreexMaybe they want to link staticallyMar 07 10:25
gnufreexFor convinienceMar 07 10:25
MinceRDaemonFC: the LGPL relicensing is recentMar 07 10:25
gnufreexalso thatMar 07 10:25
DaemonFCthey were linking statically when they used itMar 07 10:25
MinceRit happened not long after nokia bought trolltechMar 07 10:25
GoForbes28Opera now uses GTK, but that isn't LGPL is it?Mar 07 10:25
DaemonFCit's the only way to get consistency or to even guarantee that it will be thereMar 07 10:25
MinceRyou can statically link LGPL from nonfree code, you just need to include object files of your stuffMar 07 10:25
MinceRso that the user can relinkMar 07 10:26
gnufreexIf they want to link statically, then they must LGPL their stuff or get a prop licenseMar 07 10:26
DaemonFCnot all distros have QT libraries (a few don't) and the ones that do can modify it in such a way that it would cause bugs in OperaMar 07 10:26
MinceRmaybe not even that is required, i'm not sureMar 07 10:26
gnufreexThey might link dynamically or use inheritanceMar 07 10:26
gnufreexthen they don't need licenseMar 07 10:26
DaemonFCOpera just avoids the problem entirely now and uses its own toolkitMar 07 10:27
DaemonFCand mimics the desktop environment the user is running it inMar 07 10:27
GoForbes28They are using GTK for GNOME, no?Mar 07 10:27
GoForbes28I meant Opera isMar 07 10:27
DaemonFCno, it just looks like GTK when you run it in GNOMEMar 07 10:27
DaemonFCit's actually notMar 07 10:27
gnufreexHere is what PJ says on Qt saleMar 07 10:28
gnufreex[PJ: Remember SCO telling the court that in  SCO v. Novell that no one ever sells a business without the copyrights? Heh heh. It seems it does happen, eh?]Mar 07 10:28
DaemonFCthey have three interfaces it can mimic, GTK+, KDE, and generic QTMar 07 10:28
DaemonFCGeneric QT is what it falls back to if it can't tell what you're usingMar 07 10:28
DaemonFCand in that case, it also falls back to it's built-in file selectorMar 07 10:28
gnufreexProblem with this sale is that Elop gets time window he needsMar 07 10:29
DaemonFCyou can force it to do this by telling it to use File Selector #4Mar 07 10:29
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 10:29
GoForbes28DaemonFC: gotchaMar 07 10:29
GoForbes28Opera's kind of an enigmaMar 07 10:29
gnufreexHe gets to sell those symbian phonesMar 07 10:29
GoForbes28on the one hand, they are proprietaryMar 07 10:29
gnufreexAnd then he don't need Qt anymoreMar 07 10:29
DaemonFCQT is 1, GTK+ is 2, KDE is 3Mar 07 10:29
GoForbes28but on the other, they fight hard for Free standardsMar 07 10:29
DaemonFCanything else is as if you selected QTMar 07 10:30
DaemonFCfor some reason 1 sometimes goes and uses KDE anyway Mar 07 10:30
DaemonFCbut 4 doesn'tMar 07 10:30
DaemonFC:)Mar 07 10:30
DaemonFCit's nice that it blends in so well thoughMar 07 10:31
DaemonFCChrome and Firefox insist on looking GTK-ish even under KDE, and using GTK file selector dialogs with mandatory double clickMar 07 10:31
DaemonFCit's kind of a wart when your whole desktop works one way except for one programMar 07 10:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Grölende Jugendliche..... :/Mar 07 10:31