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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Spuneți NU restricționării accesului la Web, chiar și în aceste cazuri ! http://is.gd/k5qUD2 #romania #internet #freedom #web | Mar 09 00:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Simultanology - http://bit.ly/f9oXx3 more thought-provoking stuff from Kevin Kelly | Mar 09 00:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Adobe releases Flash to !html converter called "Wallaby" http://ur1.ca/3fluo | Mar 09 00:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Adobe releases Flash to !html5 converter called "Wallaby" http://ur1.ca/3fluo | Mar 09 00:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong" - http://bit.ly/e6sD3m an unpredictable player #copyright | Mar 09 00:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Gertrud-Bäumer-Realschule http://b1t.it/ciF #4sq | Mar 09 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More [PPA] http://bit.ly/gw8BkZ | Mar 09 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Packt Publishing Believes in Open Source, Donates Over $300K to Projects - http://bit.ly/f2mIA1 kudos #opensource #publishing | Mar 09 00:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @webupd8: gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More [PPA] http://bit.ly/gw8BkZ | Mar 09 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: RT @instantshift Understanding the Theory of Minimalism in Web Design http://bit.ly/houv4z | Mar 09 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Free Speech Flag to be removed from Wikipedia?: http://news.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/03/08/1459252#commentlisting | Mar 09 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mapopa: What is worse than propietary flash : obfuscated bloated xml svg http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1256900 | Mar 09 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @richslxh: #Adobe releases #Flash to #html5 converter called "Wallaby" Better for #linux users http://ur1.ca/3fluo | Mar 09 00:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @AndreiAvadanei: #Adobe a lansat convertor #Flash-to-HTML5 poreclit Wallaby http://goo.gl/fb/pFibH #gnu #linux | Mar 09 00:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] getting ready to hack on libtaskmanager some more. that thing is like an old friend that is always there. | Mar 09 00:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh /s/fowls/fouls/ 0.o | Mar 09 00:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] writing a blog entry like http://ur1.ca/3fcf0 is unnerving as it is an uncomfortable sort of topic and (partly) about others | Mar 09 00:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] So, first we get told Pluto isn't a planet, and now they get this one wrong as well >_> #astronomer #fail http://ur1.ca/3fmbh | Mar 09 00:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mihaibaboi: #Motorola Defy vs concurenţa - Blogul lui Emil! http://bit.ly/h27XSb #mobile #romania | Mar 09 00:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] so it is reassuring that it strikes a chord with some of our friends in GNOME too, e.g.: http://ur1.ca/3fmbj | Mar 09 00:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @guardiannews: French police find jewels worth £15.4m in Paris sewer http://gu.com/p/2nj3e/tf | Mar 09 00:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mascateatru: De a ta sărutare, Zaraza, vreau să mor și eu! http://wp.me/peKn5-2oe | Mar 09 00:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Trip Hawkins, founder of Electronic Arts, says that browsers are the gaming platform of the future: http://ur1.ca/3fmft | Mar 09 00:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @mossgarden when someone asks me to do something that takes two seconds for them because they don't have time... I don't really want ... | Mar 09 00:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @glynmoody: Packt Publishing Believes in Open Source, Donates Over $300K to Projects - http://bit.ly/f2mIA1 kudos #opensource #publishing | Mar 09 00:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] . @pradeepto Just discussed about Spoken Tutorial project - one can know more about it http://ur1.ca/3fmja #kdeconf #kdeindia | Mar 09 00:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] very sad to see Windows laptop connected to Projector at conf #kdeconf #kdeindia, There are many new user who will get wrong impression :( | Mar 09 00:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux backup: the complete guide http://is.gd/V1qQZ6 #gnu #linux #backup #security | Mar 09 00:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Multi-Core Scaling http://is.gd/M6qHze #gnu #linux #kernel #software | Mar 09 01:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 5 Things OS X Does Better than Linux http://is.gd/ge1zIr #gnu #linux #software #osx #apple | Mar 09 01:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @dfscot Today is No Smoking Day - shouldn't that be every day? | Mar 09 01:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Upgrading PCs http://is.gd/picTu7 #hardware #software | Mar 09 01:03 | |
| *Faither (~stefan@krlh-5f724f47.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #techrights | Mar 09 01:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Ten ways Windows fails but Linux does not http://is.gd/wzl7zi #microsoft #windows #office #msoffice | Mar 09 01:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Cum te conectezi la calculatoare #Windows de la distanță? Prin #VNC, protocol standardizat, NU Remote Desktop http://www.tightvnc.com/ #msft | Mar 09 01:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Why !Android phones are targets for Trojans (and how to protect your phone) http://goo.gl/OArEj | Mar 09 01:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [self RT] Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStI | Mar 09 01:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Chromium blog: A Mini-Newsletter From Your Google Chrome Security Team http://goo.gl/VjgqT | Mar 09 01:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @themoovida Working on a #git/#mercurial cheatsheet.comments/corrections welcome http://tinyurl.com/4bzzsne | Mar 09 01:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDEConf Live Dents/Tweets - http://twitter.com/#search?q=kdeconf%20OR%20kdeindia%20OR%20confkdein | Mar 09 01:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #XKCD: Mathematically Annoying Advertising http://xkcd.com/870/ | Mar 09 01:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] England 'healthier than the US' - http://bbc.in/hvEl1O intriguing #health | Mar 09 01:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] IsItOpen[Drug]Data? - http://bit.ly/fbGsoZ nice moves in world of chemistry #opendata #openchemistry | Mar 09 01:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Android now more profitable than #iOS for well-known game developer - http://bit.ly/eXalMB "Android has become our primary interest" | Mar 09 01:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] China to realize online train ticket booking with real-name system - http://bit.ly/hDjud1 whoa... #surveillance | Mar 09 01:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Foresight !Linux 2.5.0 Release Candidate Galore! http://goo.gl/Jy9nJ | Mar 09 01:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] First good news of the day. Application to extend a very tight deadline in a big case has been granted :-) | Mar 09 01:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStI | Mar 09 01:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] The Universal Runtime http://goo.gl/pw9Xi | Mar 09 01:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Henri Bergius: Trying out #Cloud9IDE: Developing software in your browser http://goo.gl/F9PFQ | Mar 09 01:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Fedora 15 Alpha Post-Installation Guide for Gnome http://goo.gl/DDjRS "4. Execute as root: yum groupinstall -y kde-desktop" lol :D | Mar 09 01:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8 !PPA updates: #Parcellite 1.0, #PuddleTag 0.10.0 http://goo.gl/gD9uZ | Mar 09 01:40 | |
| sebsebseb | Anyone here? | Mar 09 01:42 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 09 01:42 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I just read about the name for Ubuntu 11.10 | Mar 09 01:42 |
| MinceR | the name seems all right | Mar 09 01:43 |
| MinceR | the distro itself, on the other hand... | Mar 09 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | the name seems, weird | Mar 09 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | anyway like I expected, they would do Unity 2D by default | Mar 09 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | makes sense, they are going Gnome 3 as well with that one, except for shell by default | Mar 09 01:44 |
| MinceR | now they could boot mono and banshee to make room for Qt | Mar 09 01:44 |
| MinceR | and to end the banshee referral code problem :> | Mar 09 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | heh yeah | Mar 09 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway people may as well not use Ubuntu, as in not use Kubuntu or Lubuntu or XUbuntu | Mar 09 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | if they are going to use Ubuntu | Mar 09 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | unless they use Unity | Mar 09 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | that's what I think, since yep other distro's :) | Mar 09 01:45 |
| MinceR | they might as well use debian or fedora or whatever | Mar 09 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | yep if going to use KDE or XFCE or LXDE, may as well use some other distro :) | Mar 09 01:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember they have also made the mistake under my countries laws with rythombox. | Mar 09 01:46 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: what did they do? | Mar 09 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh? | Mar 09 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Altered the stores. MinceR | Mar 09 01:46 |
| MinceR | what australian law prohibits it? | Mar 09 01:46 |
| MinceR | (just in general terms, no need for exact ID :> ) | Mar 09 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Falls under false representation. | Mar 09 01:47 |
| MinceR | how? | Mar 09 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Programs look a 100 percent the same even that the ID has been change. | Mar 09 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Ie so customer could presume they are funding gnome when in fact the money is going 75 percent to ubuntu and 25 percent to gnome. | Mar 09 01:48 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 09 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Also can get confusing for customer if banshee or rythombox decided to directly release a version for ubuntu | Mar 09 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Since the 2 programs would look the same but infact have different outcomes. | Mar 09 01:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically there are very good reason why what Ubuntu just did is illegal in many countries. MinceR | Mar 09 01:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Thanks for the contagion (NOT) now we're both stuck at home :) ♺ @lilbernie: Suffering from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laryngitis | Mar 09 01:50 | |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 09 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Basically to be legal ubuntu did not alter enough. MinceR | Mar 09 01:51 |
| oiaohm | A simple (Ubuntu) after amazon store entry would have been enough so user could see the difference. | Mar 09 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Trickerly to get money is not tollerated under most countries laws. | Mar 09 01:53 |
| MinceR | can anyone other than the banshee devs sue for that in this case, though? | Mar 09 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Mint is pretty wow now days really | Mar 09 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: takes what is good from Ubuntu, does added user friendly, and looks better by default :) | Mar 09 01:54 |
| MinceR | it's still either ubuntu or a rolling release though | Mar 09 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | and of course that version based directly on Debian for a while now as well | Mar 09 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Gnome 3 for next Mint | Mar 09 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | not shell or unity though | Mar 09 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | by default | Mar 09 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but can run unity and shell anyway with Mint next one, so :d | Mar 09 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway Aprl is coming soon, Kubuntu 9.10 runs out of support, you could try and maintain yourself, or switch distro :D | Mar 09 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | I hear Mandriva and PC Linux OS calling you to try them, but also whatever the next version of Mageia is saying that you should maybe try it, even though it's still development | Mar 09 01:56 |
| MinceR | yes, i know | Mar 09 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | I meant above, the version of Mageia at the time, whatever the latest is then | Mar 09 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | whichever development version it is then, alpha 3 or something I guess | Mar 09 01:57 |
| MinceR | doesn't mageia obsolete mandriva? | Mar 09 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | first Mageia will be very similar to Mandriva, since it's basically just a re branded Mandriva pretty much | Mar 09 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | then after that one, they should start doing their own thing quite a bit more | Mar 09 01:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Any consumer can sue. Under fair trading(consumer law breach) | Mar 09 02:01 |
| oiaohm | And worst nightmare is anyone providing it is on the table to pay for it. | Mar 09 02:01 |
| sebsebseb | http://blogs.computerworld.com/17800/google_and_microsoft_offer_nokia_hundreds_of_millions_to_abandon_meego_symbian | Mar 09 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | says it's from February though | Mar 09 02:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Banshee trademark owns to Novell and Novell could go Ubuntu for miss use of trademark and be seeking to take ubuntu trademarks as settlement to prevent future infringments. | Mar 09 02:03 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: MinceR hopefuly Canonical mess Ubuntu up enough soon, in a way | Mar 09 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | then off laods of poeple go to other distro's :D | Mar 09 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | people | Mar 09 02:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | anyway the most popular software tend to be good really | Mar 09 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | the industry standards you know | Mar 09 02:04 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: novell won't do it though, nor will any other of the monomaniacs | Mar 09 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | also software that is trying to go main streame, going by Ubuntu, well yep it becomes pretty bad really | Mar 09 02:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Novell new owner | Mar 09 02:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: we have a wild card. | Mar 09 02:05 |
| MinceR | attackmate? i think that's just more of the same | Mar 09 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | uh above | Mar 09 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | that was meant to say | Mar 09 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | the most popular software does not tend to be good really | Mar 09 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | or not that good | Mar 09 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | Windows | Mar 09 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | Photoshop | Mar 09 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | Microsoft Office | Mar 09 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | Mac OS X | Mar 09 02:05 |
| oiaohm | attackmate is a normally at take strip and proft company. MinceR | Mar 09 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | to name some | Mar 09 02:06 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 09 02:06 |
| MinceR | well, they could blackmail m$ for this | Mar 09 02:06 |
| MinceR | that's a good outcome too, i guess | Mar 09 02:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so getting hands on ubuntu would suit there mod of operation. | Mar 09 02:06 |
| sebsebseb | Iphone | Mar 09 02:06 |
| sebsebseb | Playstation 3? | Mar 09 02:06 |
| sebsebseb | Blueray | Mar 09 02:06 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 09 02:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also Redhat and Novell have trademark wared before. | Mar 09 02:07 |
| MinceR | ps3 was pretty much crippled since it was introduced | Mar 09 02:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Both walked away with a respect for trademarks and a complete knowledge how to use them. | Mar 09 02:07 |
| sebsebseb | examples of software not that isn't that good, but is trying to go main strame, recent versions of Ubuntu, and I guess Windows Phone 7 as well | Mar 09 02:07 |
| sebsebseb | now, not, not above, stupid typos | Mar 09 02:07 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Ubuntu used to be so great | Mar 09 02:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Like including the fact you don't threat a person with trademark instead you just take them to court. | Mar 09 02:08 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and then Canonical started messing it up | Mar 09 02:08 |
| sebsebseb | trying to go main streame | Mar 09 02:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: And the point Novell will act is just after the release of 11.04 | Mar 09 02:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: If they are going to. | Mar 09 02:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: And for consumer law to be applied also has to wait until the release of 11.04 | Mar 09 02:09 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 02:12 |
| oiaohm | What Canonical is trying to be done could have been done perfectly legally. | Mar 09 02:15 |
| oiaohm | Its not hard. | Mar 09 02:15 |
| oiaohm | Don't create something that could decieve someone. Is that a hard point of view. | Mar 09 02:15 |
| oiaohm | Personally I would have just create 2 amazon store entries. | Mar 09 02:16 |
| oiaohm | one with (Gnome) and one with (Ubuntu) with the different id behind it. | Mar 09 02:16 |
| oiaohm | And left it to end users to choose who they were going to pay. | Mar 09 02:16 |
| oiaohm | Wait that breaks ubuntu idea of allowing users to have free will. | Mar 09 02:17 |
| MinceR | ubuntu has that idea? | Mar 09 02:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jerezim Les gouvernements européens unis contre la société du savoir ? http://ur1.ca/3fo3j #IPRED #ACTA #Partage #EU | Mar 09 02:18 | |
| MinceR | i thought they adopted the crApple "users are idiots and need to be controlled and restricted at every step" idea | Mar 09 02:18 |
| oiaohm | Ie ubuntu free will incompadible. | Mar 09 02:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/fzkvf/thats_it_were_quitting_no_more_quit_command_for/c1ju9x9 | Mar 09 02:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] An AMG CLS 63??? 6.3 l??? Seriously? This guy *has* to be a drug dealer.... WTF | Mar 09 02:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Nicu Buculei: Breaking News - !Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! Now with desktop icons! http://goo.gl/vcKEd | Mar 09 02:43 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: what's the lancelot thing | Mar 09 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | with this new name, I don't understand it | Mar 09 02:44 |
| MinceR | lancelot has a new name? | Mar 09 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | no | Mar 09 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | to do with this new Ubuntu code name | Mar 09 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | someone did the Lancelot thing in a channel, but from the blog post: | Mar 09 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | from the blog comments: | Mar 09 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | for example | Mar 09 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | this: | Mar 09 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | Oh dear god. Prepare for people misspelling “Oneiric” as “Onieric”. Fiesty^WFeisty was bad enough :-( . | Mar 09 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | That being said, I actually like the name; it has a nice ring to it. It also reminds me of Lancelot. | Mar 09 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | Just remember: I before E, except after C, or the name of an Ubuntu release. | Mar 09 02:46 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Can you explain that to me? ^ | Mar 09 02:46 |
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| MinceR | i can't | Mar 09 02:46 |
| MinceR | i don't know what "oneiric" has to do with "lancelot" | Mar 09 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/beyond-natty-the-next-version-of-ubuntu-linux/8418 | Mar 09 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | then I went to the blog post about it later, but first said here I had read about it, by the way | Mar 09 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | I Know not relivent, but anyway | Mar 09 02:47 |
| MinceR | other than that they're both words | Mar 09 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/beyond-natty-the-next-version-of-ubuntu-linux/8418 | Mar 09 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Ubuntu hype :( | Mar 09 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | COME ON OTHER DISTRO'S GIVE UBUNTU SOME NICE PROPER COMPETITION! | Mar 09 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | OTHER DISTRO'S YAY OTHER DISTRO'S YAY, GO ON, GO ON, GO ON, YES GO ON, PROPER COMPETITION FOR UBUNTU YES PLEASE, WE SHOUT/CHANT :d | Mar 09 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway Canonical has been trying to make Ubuntu go main streame since well 9.04 really | Mar 09 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | when they got a design team | Mar 09 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | and 9.04 is when it started going bad | Mar 09 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | properly bad, just little stuff for 9.04 and 9.10, and then AH! for 10.04 and so on from there, as I have said before | Mar 09 02:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway I guess that's what happens to a lot of tech, it tries to go main streame, and then it sucks | Mar 09 02:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 is deemphasizing user customization, or theming in favour of a 'just works' and 'slick out of the box' approach http://goo.gl/59Ey1 | Mar 09 02:50 | |
| sebsebseb | and most main streame software does suck really | Mar 09 02:50 |
| MinceR | maybe they thought they need to make another macos to go mainstread | Mar 09 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | yep seems so | Mar 09 02:50 |
| MinceR | then again, with all that crApple fanboyism going on in there it's not so surprising | Mar 09 02:50 |
| MinceR | with all the drooling that "omg omg omg crApple does design so well" | Mar 09 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | they seem to think they need to make something like OS X to go main streame | Mar 09 02:50 |
| MinceR | (no they don't, they suck at it) | Mar 09 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then again, going by the omgubuntu site, a lot of the slightly more expereinced Ubuntu users, like customising and docks and so on, so no wonder | Mar 09 02:51 |
| MinceR | (i mean, all that fanboyism/drooling seems to be going on _inside_ the company) | Mar 09 02:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 doesn't want to confuse users... well, with options: http://goo.gl/gMJuO | Mar 09 02:51 | |
| sebsebseb | well yeah, both the company and the UBuntu Community Members community as in those with membership, well loads of those will be fan boys or fan girls | Mar 09 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | and some of them really won't like it, if another distro get's recommended to someone instead | Mar 09 02:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 'Global warming' vs. 'climate change': terminology matters - http://bit.ly/g4QV68 not too surprising, perhaps | Mar 09 02:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin's Chronicles: Unhappy with !GNOME 3? Just ditch it! http://goo.gl/w8Ksk | Mar 09 02:53 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hmm some slightly bad Gnome 3 stuff coming in on dents just now hmm | Mar 09 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome Shell is good really | Mar 09 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | ok it's differnet here and there, and will lack certain things from GNOME 2, BUT | Mar 09 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | well 3.2 should be pretty good :) | Mar 09 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | people just need to give it some time to improve a bit more after the first stable release I think | Mar 09 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | a bit like KDE 4.0 really | Mar 09 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway have you noticed by going online, you know comments to Linux stuff on sites and so on, a lot of idiots? | Mar 09 02:56 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.0 had a reason to be doggy. | Mar 09 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Complete core ripped out and redone. | Mar 09 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: first stable versino of Gnome Shell is really a test as well | Mar 09 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: for examplle the no maximise and minimise buttons, that's a test | Mar 09 02:56 |
| sebsebseb | they will add that back for 3.2 with good enough reason | Mar 09 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Gnome shell is still built on top of a known core. | Mar 09 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: right well Gnome Shell is comopletly diffenret to Gnome 2 as well | Mar 09 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | also Gnome 3 is done with GTK 3 and so on | Mar 09 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Its more of a KDE 2.0 to KDE 3.0 | Mar 09 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Not a KDE 4.0 event. | Mar 09 02:58 |
| oiaohm | But even so there was no need to remove max and min buttions without leaving an option to turn them back on. | Mar 09 02:58 |
| oiaohm | Hmm does gnome have a on all desktops button? | Mar 09 02:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stupid #EU #cookie law will hand the advantage to the US, kill our #startups stone dead - http://bit.ly/gPZeBi maladroit | Mar 09 03:00 | |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: minimise doesn't really go into the design of Gnome Shell apparnatly | Mar 09 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | and maximise can be done in other ways | Mar 09 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | also you can still minimizse, and maximise, just no button | Mar 09 03:01 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: gnome shell has no minimize and has maximize by dragging upwards, so it's stupid | Mar 09 03:02 |
| sebsebseb | one people are mainly ignoring though is the removing of the proper way to shut down | Mar 09 03:02 |
| sebsebseb | anyway maybe today not sure yet, but I should try out very latest GNome Shell really from a DVD/CD | Mar 09 03:02 |
| sebsebseb | also the whiners can use Gnome 2 for quite a long while yet really :) | Mar 09 03:03 |
| sebsebseb | it will be another year or so before most distro's that provide it now, no longer do I guess | Mar 09 03:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ECJ sinks plans for unified European #patent court - http://bit.ly/gdmqtR which is good: such a court would be disaster for #opensource | Mar 09 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @qwghlm @glynmoody BBC article it's based on is FUD from the IAB, no-one at the BBC or TC has actually read law by the looks of things | Mar 09 03:05 | |
| sebsebseb | Going by the screenshot, an Ubuntu user wrote this, well no suprise then heh heh. http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2011/03/unhappy-with-gnome-3-just-ditch-it.html | Mar 09 03:06 |
| sebsebseb | http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2011/03/unhappy-with-gnome-3-just-ditch-it.html | Mar 09 03:06 |
| sebsebseb | also telling people to ditch Gnome 3, before it's even released in final, hmm | Mar 09 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | well that right there, sounds like a Ubuntu user type of thing to do heh heh | Mar 09 03:07 |
| oiaohm | Masive change and the linux world is never compadible. | Mar 09 03:09 |
| sebsebseb | oh MinceR went away? | Mar 09 03:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Breaking: #Zynga files for trademark on the word “Ville” in Europe - http://bit.ly/fGyAC9 that'll go down well in #france | Mar 09 03:10 | |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: don't you mean compatible ? | Mar 09 03:10 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Yes I was going after compatible | Mar 09 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh, but let's see, many Ubuntu users will whine about Gnome Shell yes, but how many about Ubuntu, probably not as many of them. Oh, but why? Ah yes, since their beloved Canonical started Unity, I guess. Plus it's got their social networking junk features in it, and dock type thing, and junk like that, hmm. | Mar 09 03:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Beverage Companies Go Sustainable With Biodegradable Plastics, Ramped Up Recycling - http://tcrn.ch/huCLTY long overdue - & what about bags? | Mar 09 03:11 | |
| sebsebseb | also I think many of them haven't even tried, the version of Gnome Shell without the minimisie and maximise, before they start commenting on the web about it | Mar 09 03:12 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: More and more will get upset. | Mar 09 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | whatevever | Mar 09 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | they can use Unity | Mar 09 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome 2 for longer | Mar 09 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | XFCE, LXDE, and so on | Mar 09 03:12 |
| oiaohm | No with ubuntu as a whole. | Mar 09 03:12 |
| sebsebseb | if they don't like it | Mar 09 03:13 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is very quickly turning into the next windows. | Mar 09 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and yes more and more people getting annoyeed with Ubuntu now, and who were quite invovled with it :) | Mar 09 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | like Windows, but looks like Mac OS X, you mean? | Mar 09 03:13 |
| oiaohm | Did not Windows copy Mac? | Mar 09 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | well in some ways I guess Vista is like a Mac and Windows 7 | Mar 09 03:14 |
| oiaohm | There was a huge court case about in 1995 | Mar 09 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Over the recycle bin vs trash and so on. | Mar 09 03:14 |
| sebsebseb | maybe, not sure | Mar 09 03:14 |
| oiaohm | There was. | Mar 09 03:14 |
| sebsebseb | however what they say is that Apple copied Xerrox | Mar 09 03:14 |
| sebsebseb | or that's when it comes to the buttons on the left or whatever | Mar 09 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Apple did not copy Xerox | Mar 09 03:14 |
| oiaohm | Apple used Xerox code base. | Mar 09 03:15 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: anyway for me Ubuntu is becoming indeed like Windows, I mean where, I will want to have some sort of idea about what's going on with it | Mar 09 03:15 |
| oiaohm | Apple magically jumping from command line to graphical based. | Mar 09 03:15 |
| sebsebseb | it's just Ubuntu is developed much faster, and much more openly so well | Mar 09 03:15 |
| oiaohm | All lines up when Xerox development center got aquired by apple. | Mar 09 03:15 |
| sebsebseb | there's nearly always some sort of relivent Ubuntu news, when it comes to what is going on | Mar 09 03:15 |
| sebsebseb | where as with Windows well no, since development is more quite, and much slower | Mar 09 03:16 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu development will slow. | Mar 09 03:16 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu has really not thought threw the ammount of development time Unity is going to eat up. | Mar 09 03:16 |
| sebsebseb | well Unity 2D already being worked on as well | Mar 09 03:16 |
| sebsebseb | and that will be in 11.10 | Mar 09 03:16 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu resources are not unlimited. | Mar 09 03:17 |
| oiaohm | At some point they will find there limit. | Mar 09 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | if enough Ubuntu users don't like Unity, well they got a problem | Mar 09 03:17 |
| oiaohm | They have todo all the bug fixing on Unity. | Mar 09 03:17 |
| oiaohm | No other distribution is sharing the workload. | Mar 09 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I used to look forward to Ubuntu releases, but well | Mar 09 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | not so much anymore | Mar 09 03:18 |
| oiaohm | Fedora stopped opensuse stopped | Mar 09 03:18 |
| oiaohm | For the simple reason Ubuntu upstream was being jerks taking patches. | Mar 09 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | no | Mar 09 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | there was two blog posts about that | Mar 09 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | from the Fedora guy, and from the OpenSuse guy | Mar 09 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | and a link on pcworld that links to both | Mar 09 03:18 |
| oiaohm | Read them. | Mar 09 03:19 |
| sebsebseb | they were only providing optionally, and they wanted something accepted upstream that wasn't yet, or the FEdora guy anyway | Mar 09 03:19 |
| sebsebseb | he wanted it provided in the main Fedora repos, but something needed accepting upstream first | Mar 09 03:19 |
| oiaohm | I need to find the fedora mailing list post. | Mar 09 03:20 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: anyway Mint 11 the Ubuntu based version, yep Gnome 3 by default, with well a similar look to current Mint, but that one can run Unity, and also Gnome Shell so :D | Mar 09 03:20 |
| sebsebseb | well I guess Mint 11 can run Unity and Gnome Shell | Mar 09 03:20 |
| oiaohm | Also the fun thing is gcc is just going to keep on getting more strict. | Mar 09 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | I am slightly tempted to maybe put Mint 11 on here for real, for a while, you know pshyicall install, so I can switch between Unity and Gnome Shell, and well it's similar old look | Mar 09 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | in a distro that looks good and all that | Mar 09 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | and yep has Synatpic of course as well, and yeah :) | Mar 09 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | not sure yet | Mar 09 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | plus I got a strange issue here in PC Linux OS | Mar 09 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | two even | Mar 09 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | maybe upgrading to KDE 4.6.1 will help a bit though | Mar 09 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | gcc is going to get more strict? | Mar 09 03:21 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, gcc 4.6 is more strict than 4.4 | Mar 09 03:24 |
| nisshh | thus, many programs have to be modified for it | Mar 09 03:24 |
| nisshh | since C programmers are lazy and dont care about deprecation or warnings :) | Mar 09 03:24 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: hmm ok | Mar 09 03:25 |
| oiaohm | nisshh: each gcc works in progression. | Mar 09 03:25 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.0 made many bad things warnings. | Mar 09 03:25 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, yes, of course, thats one reason im not a C coder :) | Mar 09 03:25 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: So want some Oneirc Ocelot? | Mar 09 03:25 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.2 made many of those things errors with flags to over ride. | Mar 09 03:25 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.4 made many of those bad things not build. | Mar 09 03:26 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, eh, no thanks, ill just stick to calling it ubuntu :) | Mar 09 03:26 |
| oiaohm | Is just that cycle extending. | Mar 09 03:26 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, i have recently jumped on the perl bandwagon | Mar 09 03:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Metagrobolised, gruntulous noses - http://bit.ly/ey9gJY words, words, words #language | Mar 09 03:26 | |
| oiaohm | Really I am a C coder nisshh | Mar 09 03:26 |
| nisshh | perl is a very nice language | Mar 09 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: Ubuntu, maybe it should be called Unity instead | Mar 09 03:27 |
| oiaohm | gcc really does not annoy me. | Mar 09 03:27 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, cool | Mar 09 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: after all that's what Ubuntu is going to be now really, Unity | Mar 09 03:27 |
| nisshh | oh it doesnt really annoy me oiaohm, its just C in general is not to my taste | Mar 09 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: yeah screw the backend, let's call it all Unity now, after all hey, that's what the average user only really cares about with them knowing they do anyway, you know a good user interface | Mar 09 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah I mean, the average user only really cares about the user interface mainly | Mar 09 03:27 |
| sebsebseb | they are ignorant to OS backends | Mar 09 03:28 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, if that :) | Mar 09 03:28 |
| oiaohm | Because I use to run static analysis over my programs anyhow nisshh | Mar 09 03:28 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, most users dont even care about the UI | Mar 09 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | they just want a user interface for the apps they want to run, for quite a lot of them, nearly any interface is good enough really | Mar 09 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome 2 | Mar 09 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | KDE | Mar 09 03:28 |
| oiaohm | What gcc is finding now my other tools have been screaming at me for a while. nisshh | Mar 09 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | Windows, Mac OS X | Mar 09 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | LXDE, XFCE | Mar 09 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Mar 09 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: exactly | Mar 09 03:28 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, yeah | Mar 09 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: so nearly any interface is good enough for them, like I was just saying | Mar 09 03:28 |
| sebsebseb | as long as they can use the programs they want to run | Mar 09 03:29 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, they want it to Just Work | Mar 09 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: yep | Mar 09 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and my brothers for example, only really want to use Firefox most of the time, so yep other computer with KDE and Gnome 2, and the old preview of Gnome Shell in Mandriva 2010.2 and probably for quite a while | Mar 09 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | I may not bother upgrading to Mandriva 2011 this year on that one | Mar 09 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | or Mageia 1 in the summer either | Mar 09 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: so yeah | Mar 09 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and my brothers got Linux Mint 9 based on Ubuntu 10.04 on his lap top since Jan, and I think I realy did make a good distro choice there | Mar 09 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | it's doing auto log in as well, even though I installed other things as well, but he just wants to use FIrefox most of the time anyway like I was saying | Mar 09 03:30 |
| oiaohm | http://ctuning.org/wiki/index.php?title=CTools:CTuningCC A commonly unknown feature you can link into gcc | Mar 09 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and Canonical think the average user will like Unity, hmm well yes and no to that depending on who they are, but Unity is a fancy interface as well realy, average user can get by with something basic like Windows or Mac OS X, so yeah Gnome 2 or KDE for example | Mar 09 03:31 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, yeah, like my bro, he likes minimalist stuff, so he really likes Linux and he also does mechatronics (engineering + electronics = robotics) so he likes how easy it is to write code on linux as well | Mar 09 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | and I showed my little brother the old Gnome Shell preview a few times or whatever now | Mar 09 03:32 |
| oiaohm | nisshh: Linux is predictable. | Mar 09 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | and he didn't seem interested at all really | Mar 09 03:32 |
| oiaohm | If you screw something up you can always trace it to you. | Mar 09 03:32 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, in some ways, yes | Mar 09 03:32 |
| oiaohm | Windows all the blackbox drivers and all the black box parts. | Mar 09 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Is it your code or theres. | Mar 09 03:33 |
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| sebsebseb | nisshh: also removing features they are really used to, such as maximise and minimise like Gnome Shell has done now, probably isn't really the best idea for these users, even if they aren't really needed the buttons for that | Mar 09 03:33 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: also moving to the left in that odd order which is what happended when Ubuntu 10.04 was in development, yep not a good idea for the average user | Mar 09 03:33 |
| sebsebseb | then when I upgraded the Ubuntu 9.10 install that was on that computer to 10.04, for some reason it changed the buttons on my brother's account to the left, even though the old brown human theme :) the version before 9.10 | Mar 09 03:34 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, yeah, although for someone who has never used a computer before, i would say it would not be bad in that use case | Mar 09 03:34 |
| sebsebseb | and he basically asked why they were on the left, I explained why, and he asked me to change back | Mar 09 03:34 |
| nisshh | yeah | Mar 09 03:34 |
| sebsebseb | for someoen who hasn't used a computer before, sure Gnome Shell will be great, but pretty much nearly any other interface would be as well really | Mar 09 03:34 |
| sebsebseb | also for those of us who can accept change, good stuff :) | Mar 09 03:35 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, the thing i think is bad is the inconsistency, with other themes, since they all switch the buttons back | Mar 09 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | anyway most of the whineing has been about the maximise and minimise being removed, well the buttons for, can still do it in other ways | Mar 09 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | however shut down was removed from the menu on top right or whatever as welll, and I haven't seen complaining about that hmm or hardly any | Mar 09 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | well I saw a little about that, but not much at all hmm | Mar 09 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | that's important as well really have a shut down where it should be :) | Mar 09 03:36 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Gnome shell vs KDE netbook | Mar 09 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | on the other hand, take my little brother for example, he would just press the power button on the computer useually, and switch off like that | Mar 09 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | which is something that annoyeed me, when I had Ubuntu 10.04 on there, and set up to use the old Gnome icons :) | Mar 09 03:36 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, tbh, i am neither for nor against GNOME removing the buttons, since a) i never used them, i used the keyboard and b) it would affect people from windows and mac | Mar 09 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | which is one thing I liked about Ubuntu 10.04, for whatever reason/s it would show the old Gnome icons, instead of the new ones, that really it was meant to show since upstream | Mar 09 03:37 |
| nisshh | yeah | Mar 09 03:37 |
| oiaohm | http://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/ << This is kde mininal interface. | Mar 09 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | I used to really like the look of the old log out button, and some extent shut down even, and lock screen was ok, I know this sounds geekey, but hey whatever I am a computer geek or whatever so :D | Mar 09 03:37 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, do you also happen to know if libunity has bindings for other languages? | Mar 09 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | and I strongly disliked the new buttons for Gnome 3 and Gnome Shell, for shutdown, and to some extent maybe lock screen | Mar 09 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | in fact I still think this new shut down icon is a joke really, but | Mar 09 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | well I am more used to it now | Mar 09 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | hmm that's a point Gnome Shell won't show this ugly joke shut down icon I guess then :D hmm | Mar 09 03:38 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, what does the new shutdown icon look like? | Mar 09 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | even so though there should be shut down as part of the Gnome Shell interface | Mar 09 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: you can see it in | Mar 09 03:39 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu | Mar 09 03:39 |
| sebsebseb | 10.10 | Mar 09 03:39 |
| sebsebseb | or 11.04 even with Gnome 2 and if you set it up to show the icons in the system menu oh and remove | Mar 09 03:39 |
| sebsebseb | their horrible, patch on the top right | Mar 09 03:39 |
| nisshh | yah' | Mar 09 03:39 |
| sebsebseb | the me menu being linked to the power management or whatever | Mar 09 03:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @psquid @gomerx The hardest thing I have to do today is wake up, and I have done it. Win! | Mar 09 03:40 | |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: uh I am behind on identica :( | Mar 09 03:40 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, i personally never use the menu's in the top right, since i do nearly everything in the terminal now | Mar 09 03:40 |
| sebsebseb | I wanted to catch up on dents, but I got a problem | Mar 09 03:40 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: ok so did you remove those horrible patchs on top right then? :) | Mar 09 03:40 |
| nisshh | i even shutdown/reboot from the command line | Mar 09 03:40 |
| nisshh | no i didnt | Mar 09 03:40 |
| nisshh | i just left them there | Mar 09 03:40 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: remove it then | Mar 09 03:40 |
| nisshh | i figured if i removed them | Mar 09 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and go to gconf-editor and do the menus have icons option | Mar 09 03:41 |
| nisshh | i would break something | Mar 09 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | in interface I think it is | Mar 09 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | then you can see what I am on about :D | Mar 09 03:41 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is even starting to cut the menus out of applications and place them like apple. | Mar 09 03:41 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, im talking about on 10.10 not Unity :) | Mar 09 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: if you remove what I am telling you to remove, it removes those horrible Gnome patches to Ubuntu :) | Mar 09 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | and things go like before | Mar 09 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | and I am talking about 10.10 right now as well | Mar 09 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome 2 in 10.10 | Mar 09 03:41 |
| oiaohm | The very thing I cannot stand about apple is that the menu is always on the top of screen. | Mar 09 03:41 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, good thing i barely use them then | Mar 09 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: also you know that lame, do you really want to shut down or re boot feature? | Mar 09 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: remove the patches I am on about, and get the nice auto shut down feature back :) | Mar 09 03:42 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, i have NO idea what your on about :) | Mar 09 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: ok in Ubuntu 10.10 | Mar 09 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | with Gnome 2 | Mar 09 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: remove the me menu :) | Mar 09 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | step 1 | Mar 09 03:42 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: you asked me how to see these new GNome icons, and I am telling you how :D | Mar 09 03:43 |
| sebsebseb | then there's an option in gconf-editor for adding icons back :) in the system menu | Mar 09 03:44 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, i was hoping for more of a screenshot, i hate screwing with the UI, its boring :) | Mar 09 03:44 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: excuses | Mar 09 03:44 |
| nisshh | no, i swear, i would rather code in C# than do crap with the me menu | Mar 09 03:44 |
| nisshh | :) | Mar 09 03:44 |
| *sebsebseb thinks nisshh is sounding like a noob, no offence, but uhmm you sound a bit like, OH NO, if I remove this , my whole Ubuntu may mess up | Mar 09 03:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sq | Mar 09 03:45 | |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: dude what I want you to do, takes about a minute | Mar 09 03:45 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, no, im not afraid of messing it up, i honestly dont care about the GUI enough to fiddle with it\ | Mar 09 03:45 |
| oiaohm | nisshh: So just move distribution instead? | Mar 09 03:46 |
| nisshh | what? | Mar 09 03:46 |
| nisshh | oh | Mar 09 03:46 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, seriously thinking about it :) | Mar 09 03:46 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, i have taken a liking to Arch tbh | Mar 09 03:46 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: he's an Ubuntu Community Member, but doesn't seem to be 100% happy being one anymore :) | Mar 09 03:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Universal plug and play (UPnP) is used to realize the intellectual interconnection." - from the Huawei E5 Settings. #notkidding #engrish | Mar 09 03:46 | |
| *sebsebseb would be ashamed if he was an Ubuntu Community Member since the current direction of Ubuntu, but well 1. I am not going to apply to be one, 2. unlikely I would become one if I did | Mar 09 03:47 | |
| oiaohm | I went threw the 8 OS installed at once stage. | Mar 09 03:47 |
| oiaohm | At about 10 years into using Linux. | Mar 09 03:47 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: 8 OS ? | Mar 09 03:47 |
| nisshh | ah yes | Mar 09 03:47 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, at one point last year, i had gentoo, arch, ubuntu and debian installed on one hard drive | Mar 09 03:47 |
| nisshh | since then i havent really tried other distro's | Mar 09 03:48 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: Mandriva, PC Linux OS | Mar 09 03:48 |
| oiaohm | Windows BSD freedos BeOS quite a few others that a non existant now | Mar 09 03:48 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: maybe even make your own distro based on Unity Linux :d | Mar 09 03:48 |
| sebsebseb | well using Unity Linux | Mar 09 03:48 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, heh, no thanks | Mar 09 03:48 |
| sebsebseb | Unity Linux was based on Mandriva, can be used as a distro, but is really more of a distro builder | Mar 09 03:48 |
| oiaohm | Its a natural state of Linux world development. | Mar 09 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | meant to make making remasters really easy | Mar 09 03:49 |
| oiaohm | You get that I want better and going searching. | Mar 09 03:49 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, all i have open at the moment is a terminal and firefox | Mar 09 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: plus nice people from that community, who seem to know quite a lot about Linux | Mar 09 03:49 |
| nisshh | its all i have open most of the time | Mar 09 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: Linux Mint you could go for | Mar 09 03:49 |
| sebsebseb | :D | Mar 09 03:49 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, get fucked :) | Mar 09 03:49 |
| nisshh | LM's for noobs | Mar 09 03:49 |
| oiaohm | I stick more in the enterprise classes of stuff. | Mar 09 03:49 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, what do you use on your main PC? | Mar 09 03:50 |
| oiaohm | Currently Debian that I installed clean 15 years ago and have just migrated between machines ever since. | Mar 09 03:50 |
| oiaohm | And updated along the way. | Mar 09 03:50 |
| nisshh | so you mostly run debian? | Mar 09 03:51 |
| oiaohm | I normally have openvz kernel loaded. | Mar 09 03:51 |
| oiaohm | So I can have server testing setups for scientific linux and centos | Mar 09 03:51 |
| nisshh | nice | Mar 09 03:52 |
| oiaohm | At the moment I have not done anything embed in a while so I don't have a openembed laying around. | Mar 09 03:52 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: uhmm well heh heh your calling Linux Mint for noobs, which it is really sure, but so is Ubuntu, that's really for noobs | Mar 09 03:52 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, i have the predicament where i really like apt and .debs and such, but i want a distro like Arch :) | Mar 09 03:53 |
| oiaohm | Been threw that stage. nisshh | Mar 09 03:53 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, ok, ok, fine | Mar 09 03:53 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, what did you end up doing? | Mar 09 03:53 |
| oiaohm | Notice I running rpm and deb I really don't care that much any more about package manager. | Mar 09 03:53 |
| oiaohm | Its the packages that they work is key. | Mar 09 03:54 |
| nisshh | yeah | Mar 09 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Also I do run a bit of jackaudio stuff for fun. | Mar 09 03:54 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah same here, I don't care, if the distro uses RPM or DEB or whatever, as long as I can install the software, and as long as the software worsk | Mar 09 03:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Crowdsourcing Project: Broadcasting & Sharing local tech events via the airwaves with the Air Local channel http://mzl.la/ek9Xz0 | Mar 09 03:55 | |
| sebsebseb | works | Mar 09 03:55 |
| oiaohm | And ubuntu is getting to the stage of playing loto. | Mar 09 03:56 |
| sebsebseb | playing loto ???? | Mar 09 03:56 |
| oiaohm | Most risky distribution I run is Fedora. | Mar 09 03:56 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: loto if the application you just installed still works as per manual. | Mar 09 03:57 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Ie not a good thing to be playing loto with. | Mar 09 03:57 |
| sebsebseb | I don't understand you at the moment oiaohm or not properly | Mar 09 03:58 |
| oiaohm | loto/gambling if the program will work. | Mar 09 03:59 |
| oiaohm | I don't like gambling with software sebsebseb | Mar 09 03:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RHQ Project 4.0 beta out. It's a a systems management suite. http://rhq-project.org/display/RHQ/Home #fb | Mar 09 04:00 | |
| sebsebseb | sure same here, I just want the software to work | Mar 09 04:00 |
| oiaohm | me refering to a distribution with stage of playing loto is a major insult to its quality. | Mar 09 04:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] April 6-8 in San Francisco The !linux foundation will kick off Linux' 20th anniversary celebrations. http://ur1.ca/3fpwk | Mar 09 04:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] SWIFT-Daten weiterhin unkontrolliert - http://bit.ly/dLu0FD what a total disgrace #swift #privacy #surveillance | Mar 09 04:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Vendor-Sec !linux security mailing list server hacked: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2011/03/03/3 | Mar 09 04:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-Piracy Group Say Police Have Arrested “Elite Pirate” - http://bit.ly/eoDxVb so this one has a wooden leg and parrot on his shoulder... | Mar 09 04:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @glynmoody: Anti-Piracy Group Say Police Arrested “Elite Pirate” http://bit.ly/eoDxVb < So obvious these people have no sense of humour | Mar 09 04:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu Quick tip: Enable full screen Dash in Ubuntu 11.04 desktop http://goo.gl/MdgYm !Unity | Mar 09 04:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Just !listening 2 Gappy Ranks - Pumpkin Belly - awesome old reggae track. Everyone should hear it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TInstwOBDj0 | Mar 09 04:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Anonymous Operation Payback to BMI … 'You should have expected us' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49848 | Mar 09 04:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Canadian team says it can ID anonymous emails. 'Good enough for a court of law' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49849 | Mar 09 04:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Breaking: #Zynga files for trademark on the word “Ville” in Europe - http://bit.ly/fGyAC9 that'll go down well in #france | Mar 09 04:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh It's common in Psychology, but rare otherwise (family members are in that area) | Mar 09 04:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Stupid #EU #cookie law will hand the advantage to the US, kill our #startups stone dead - http://bit.ly/gPZeBi maladroit | Mar 09 04:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: 'Global warming' vs. 'climate change': terminology matters - http://bit.ly/g4QV68 not too surprising, perhaps | Mar 09 04:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: China to realize online train ticket booking with real-name system - http://bit.ly/hDjud1 whoa... #surveillance | Mar 09 04:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: #Android now more profitable than #iOS for well-known game developer http://bit.ly/eXalMB "Android has become our primary ... | Mar 09 04:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong" - http://bit.ly/e6sD3m an unpredictable player #copyright | Mar 09 04:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid but is anyone really confident in pronouncing it? I'm certainly not :) | Mar 09 04:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice to see AdaFruit mentioning "The Open Source Way" http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/03/08/the-open-source-way/ #fb | Mar 09 04:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid It's like Supererogatory - I can just about spell it but I wouldn't want to say it too often :) | Mar 09 04:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Installing openSUSE 11.4 (KDE Live CD) on my Athlon XP deskop ATM. Final Release tomorrow. http://ur1.ca/3fbyh | Mar 09 04:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Oh-hoooo Oneir Weaver..... I believe you can get me through the ni-hi-iiiight. :P | Mar 09 04:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid the other thing is: Ocelots are not dreamy; they're fast and springy :) | Mar 09 04:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh Let the replacement of the word Dream(y) for Oneir(ic) on !identica commence :) | Mar 09 04:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh @psquid @silner @jargon Oh-hoooo Oneir Weaver..... I believe you can get me through the ni-hi-iiiight. :P | Mar 09 04:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] So, is the end of Gaddafi merely hours away? http://english.aljazeera.net//news/africa/2011/03/20113911921436551.html #fb | Mar 09 04:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] dunno whether to hope #Miliband is removed before the election or not, he's hopeless. None of the main parties deserves power. #Labour | Mar 09 05:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @rrix +100 | Mar 09 05:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2011-03-09: 'No sysadmin' is the key to Freedom Box "The Freedom Box project will succeed or fail on ... http://wmk.me/hrlKWp | Mar 09 05:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if #Miliband is removed, they're still the party which brought us such illegal wars as #Iraq. Until #Blair is in Hague I won't vote #Labour | Mar 09 05:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @jargon i really hate it when the unreliability of others make me seem unreliable to others. #smfh | Mar 09 05:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] La industria del copyright ha perdido el beneficio de la duda - http://bit.ly/fJTJxZ good post on the important #SSRC piracy study #mexico | Mar 09 05:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] having fun discovering new foods in my new home .. example for the day: basler leckerli. yum! | Mar 09 05:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Miliband sounds like a lil posh boy who's parents bought him a place in the school play, and all he can do is fluff his lines, no timing | Mar 09 05:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] he can't even adapt to what's being said to him, he just carries on with his prescripted retort, which tends to be way too long, & not funny | Mar 09 05:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] from a kid in a school play you'd say "aww bless, he's trying" but as a potential PM? ya gotta be kiddin' | Mar 09 05:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] tr @glynmoody The copyright industry has lost the benefit of the doubt - http://bit.ly/fJTJxZ gd post on important #mexico SSRC piracy study | Mar 09 05:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it #opensource | Mar 09 05:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] careful with the #Minecraft chat, the #FBI will be demanding a secret police station in every world next, complete with interrogation cells | Mar 09 05:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Ubuntu #Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release - http://bit.ly/fjX9Bg "no longer a need for a separate netbook edition" | Mar 09 05:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #abgeordnetenwatch: #HerbertMertin #fdp http://ur1.ca/3fqxv und #StefanPohl #cdu über Freie Software !fs im Auswärtigen Amt #bundesleaks | Mar 09 05:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Canonical blog: !Ubuntu Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release http://goo.gl/NLp3T | Mar 09 05:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tesco heralds 2011 as YEAR OF ANDROID - http://bit.ly/hVNa6x the people have spoken #tesco #android | Mar 09 05:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] So What Was Decided With S3TC & Floating Points For Mesa: Last week I mentioned that a developer called for a di... http://bit.ly/hxqYVK | Mar 09 05:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it ... | Mar 09 05:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @webmink links for 2011-03-09: 'No sysadmin' is the key to Freedom Box "The Freedom Box project will succeed or fail on ... http://w ... | Mar 09 05:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] openSUSE 11.4 can't manage a network connection after installation (worked well in the Live session). Replacing it by Kubuntu "Natty" Alpha3 | Mar 09 05:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: Tesco heralds 2011 as YEAR OF ANDROID - http://bit.ly/hVNa6x the people have spoken #tesco #android | Mar 09 05:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is this the year of #Linux in the pocket? ;P | Mar 09 05:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @codepope yes, probably | Mar 09 05:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Freedom sacrificed for an easy life in Apple’s Brave New World - http://bit.ly/fuvruu good to see more oar-sticking (v @jmcesteves @cathfie) | Mar 09 05:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @glynmoody: Freedom sacrificed for an easy life in Apple’s Brave New World - http://bit.ly/fuvruu good to see more oar-sticking | Mar 09 05:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: Ben tijdens de carnavalsdagen bij mijn broer Ger http://ur1.ca/3frfv geweest. Heerlijk zitten hacken en klooien. | Mar 09 05:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Good afternoon !Identiverse my day has been alright so far, and this is my first dent from !ElmDentica | Mar 09 05:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: heb KDE SC 4.6 op Ubuntu 10.10 laptop geïnstaleerd. Het was echt even hacken en klooien om een consistente desktop omgeving te krijgen. | Mar 09 05:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: maar het is gelukt en ik ben er ontzettend van onder de indruk en trots op. Ubuntu 10.10 heeft namelijk wel een Nvidia binary blob :-) | Mar 09 05:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense. | Mar 09 05:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: heb openSUSE 11.4 KDE RC gisteren gedownload, werkte niet vanaf USB stick. Vandaag geïnstalleerd op dekstop. | Mar 09 05:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Whoops forgot the :) after !ElmDentica in my previous dent to the !elmdentica and !identiverse groups. | Mar 09 05:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: openSUSE kon geen netwerk verbinding maken. Ben nu Kubuntu "Natty" Alpha 3 weer aan het installeren (installatie had ik verklooid). | Mar 09 05:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Crime writer makes a fortune selling ebooks at 99c http://tighturl.com/2zrk I smell the future of ebooks, and it is good | Mar 09 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] People from !identiverse and !elmdentica: Elmdentica seems to be an ok client so far, but I don't like how I can't hit enter to send dents. | Mar 09 06:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] How to become an amazing contributor (to an open source project) | http://bit.ly/ia8Sah #participate | Mar 09 06:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb thanks for using !elmdentica :) Do you use it on the desktop? Its more oriented towards touchscreens... however I'll look into it | Mar 09 06:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !elmdentica and !identiverse people not that keen that I have to click to type a dent, after clicking the post button, but no big deal :). | Mar 09 06:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb not true I asked: Do you use it on the desktop? Its more oriented towards touchscreens... however I'll look into it. !identiverse | Mar 09 06:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb If you press and hold on a status, buttons will show up with actions (like reply). !elmdentica | Mar 09 06:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://alturl.com/r27ou !wl | Mar 09 06:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @doctorow: #Fuckyeah new #raygun http://tinyurl.com/6juyysv #klockwerks #steampunk #rogerwood | Mar 09 06:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: Discussing more with @_the_mad_hatter in comments at http://BillC32.ca/5293 : who is posting using @CopyrightCanada ? | Mar 09 06:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Gentoo Linux LiveDVD 11.0 released http://lwn.net/Articles/432357/rss | Mar 09 06:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] March CC News: Where did our $ come from in 2010? plus round-up of other developments: http://bit.ly/eBZJ84 | Mar 09 06:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter I want "none of the above" to be an option on the ballot paper, the reason it's not is that it'd win too many seats | Mar 09 06:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] HBR Blog: Open Source Software Hits a Strategic Tipping Point - http://bit.ly/edmujF really? - who would have thought...? (v @mmilinkov) | Mar 09 06:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Lily Allen may well be the most brilliant marketer of the age http://ping.fm/O6wwy | Mar 09 06:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google Chrome 10 Released, A Robust Progress in Speed (TechOncept): http://bit.ly/gbnacD | Mar 09 06:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mozilla Moves On - http://bit.ly/i0nwSl new CEO explains how #Mozilla will save the Web - again #webapps #firefox | Mar 09 06:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] mint "likes" over #!? at Reddit http://ping.fm/CGr30 | Mar 09 06:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Every #HP PC shipped next year will have #webOS - http://zd.net/eIt8VA "shipped with" or "able to run"? makes a difference #linux (v @sjvn) | Mar 09 06:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !LibreOffice: an excellent open source productivity suite reviewed (briefly) at Onsoftware http://ping.fm/RsY2e | Mar 09 06:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] NYTimes exclusive: Julian Assange, Cat Hater http://is.gd/65eH0P !wl | Mar 09 06:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! apparently http://ping.fm/H5r4b | Mar 09 06:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense. | Mar 09 06:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! apparently http://ping.fm/H5r4b I'm sceptical | Mar 09 06:53 | |
| GoForbes28 | Quote of the day: | Mar 09 06:54 |
| GoForbes28 | "We need our development teams focused on content and cool features, not anti-piracy technology." | Mar 09 06:54 |
| GoForbes28 | - Frank Pearce, Blizzard co-founder on the obvious | Mar 09 06:55 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @greve: RT @kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense. | Mar 09 06:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android App writers ignore Open Sauce licensing - TechEye http://ping.fm/Tc2yO | Mar 09 06:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica - Daydream and discipline: !Ubuntu 11.10 codenamed #Oneiric Ocelot http://goo.gl/oGh0Y | Mar 09 07:00 | |
| MinceR | so when are they going to do that? :> | Mar 09 07:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Chrome 10 released http://lwn.net/Articles/432366/rss | Mar 09 07:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] binary playhouse: !RedHat should have invested in a #BSD http://ping.fm/KCNcs | Mar 09 07:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Apologies if you've seen one of two of these old stories before. I'm catching up | Mar 09 07:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0... http://bit.ly/gRHQOj | Mar 09 07:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: NYTimes exclusive: Julian Assange, Cat Hater http://is.gd/65eH0P http://bit.ly/e8f5lP | Mar 09 07:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Is it possible to make !Elmdentica look less dark? Is it possible to attach files? | Mar 09 07:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !RedHat Fights Back and I'm still undecided. I suppose they had to do it really? http://ping.fm/ZL9cU | Mar 09 07:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] RT @opencourselib: Adult Basic Ed eLearning Expansion Grant materials developed by WA CTCs will all be CC BY licensed http://bit.ly/gYuex6 | Mar 09 07:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: The end of Ubuntu Netbook edition http://goo.gl/2NXDk | Mar 09 07:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Chrome 10 brings Flash sandboxing and new settings UI http://goo.gl/X6hYT !chromium | Mar 09 07:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @ubuntuone A new look. What do you think? http://bit.ly/faAhv8 | Mar 09 07:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Video release: Minecraft Adventures 3 - The Quest for Coal > http://outl.ws/hJ32Rb #minecraft #linuxoutlaws | Mar 09 07:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !UbuntuOne will get a new look soon: http://goo.gl/nCVly !u | Mar 09 07:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Rulings in #PS3 #jailbreaking suit should worry you | TechRepublic http://ping.fm/SBtmk | Mar 09 07:18 | |
| GoForbes28 | haha | Mar 09 07:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] HP unifies software support services (Network World): http://bit.ly/fSkFXW | Mar 09 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Physics of Pruney Fingers Revealed by Lisa Grossman http://ping.fm/bbJta | Mar 09 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] HTML5 in the Web browser: HTML5 forms (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/eMnAqi | Mar 09 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] VMware buys Java app dev toolmaker WaveMaker (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/hmAcZc | Mar 09 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !perl script to import posts from Wordpress to Whird: @corenominal http://ur1.ca/3fsus | Mar 09 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: The new !UbuntuOne logo is beautiful http://goo.gl/QazYa | Mar 09 07:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Facebook Is AOLifying the Internet: http://gizmo.do/gObueI | Mar 09 07:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Very Difficult Problem of Notifications (The Brooks Review): http://bit.ly/hpkQYC (via @techmeme) | Mar 09 07:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google VP8: "Bali" to offer faster encoding (H): http://bit.ly/hqJpFM | Mar 09 07:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Gentoo Linux 11 released (H): http://bit.ly/dRpDVL | Mar 09 07:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @toros Beautiful? Well.... Let's say it's simple... | Mar 09 07:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: Report Confirms Gang Rapes at Canadian-Controlled PNG Mine - http://bit.ly/hosfUq | Mar 09 07:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ninapaley: Mimi and Eunice: What Did We Do Before Laws? http://j.mp/fVQFoZ | Mar 09 07:31 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Microsoft developers at work, my friends! | Mar 09 07:36 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-milestone-2-build-screenshot-leaked-features-new-up-button-in-explorer-and-improvement-in-windows-update/ | Mar 09 07:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Wow, I think I may faint from the drastic changes | Mar 09 07:36 |
| GoForbes28 | [/sarcasm] | Mar 09 07:36 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-milestone-3-build-7910-screenshots-leaked-windows-live-id-integration-factory-restore-windows-app-store-and-much-more/ | Mar 09 07:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] Coming in 2.6.38 (Part 6) - Drivers http://h-online.com/-1202826 #linux #kernel #2638 #alsa #v4l #staging #input #hid | Mar 09 07:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TanyaHuff: Amazon has listed a book I haven't quite entirely finished writing yet. Their faith in me is truly touching. | Mar 09 07:38 | |
| MinceR | whoa | Mar 09 07:39 |
| GoForbes28 | In the time it took to implement these "improvements", I think there has been at least two Fedora releases | Mar 09 07:39 |
| MinceR | m$ invented the up button just now? :> | Mar 09 07:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah | Mar 09 07:39 |
| GoForbes28 | If you used Classic Shell, then this change drops to completely meaningless | Mar 09 07:40 |
| MinceR | and imagine that there are people who take these announcements seriously | Mar 09 07:40 |
| GoForbes28 | Should I dent this with a sarcastic tagline? | Mar 09 07:40 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 09 07:40 |
| MinceR | though you might need sarcasm markers | Mar 09 07:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thistleweb: @themadhatter I want "none of the above" to be an option on the ballot, the reason it's not is that it'd win too many seats | Mar 09 07:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] The Consumer’s Dilemma License - recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries for the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqt | Mar 09 07:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] #Facebook and Civil Disobedience in #Vietnam http://ur1.ca/3ft2z #tpn #anon #piracy #freespeech | Mar 09 07:41 | |
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| GoForbes28 | yep, don't want people to actually think | Mar 09 07:43 |
| MinceR | rather, don't want m$ fanboys to redent it | Mar 09 07:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @joshourisman: @_the_mad_hatter @doctorow Squamous Shoggoth seems more appropriate. | Mar 09 07:45 | |
| GoForbes28 | well, it should be here in a sec | Mar 09 07:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @webmink: The Consumer’s Dilemma License recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries 4 the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqt | Mar 09 07:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] Look at these drastic Win8 enhancements![/sarcasm] (http://tinyurl.com/69zeq65) A folder-UP button. Wow! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqzmtz) | Mar 09 07:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @stoppableforce: @_the_mad_hatter @doctorow Followed by Belligerent Byakhee and Gibbering Ghoul? | Mar 09 07:46 | |
| GoForbes28 | actually, if they did redent it enough, people may realize the scam | Mar 09 07:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 09 07:46 |
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| GoForbes28 | I think that gets the point across, no? | Mar 09 07:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 09 07:49 |
| GoForbes28 | I was thinking doing a followup, like "Only the level of innovation we've come to expect from Micro$oft (R)." | Mar 09 07:51 |
| GoForbes28 | But maybe that would be too much | Mar 09 07:51 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 07:51 |
| GoForbes28 | Is that a yes? | Mar 09 07:52 |
| MinceR | not sure if it would be too much, i don't know | Mar 09 07:52 |
| GoForbes28 | well, I'll give it some time | Mar 09 07:52 |
| GoForbes28 | no need to rush | Mar 09 07:52 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure windows 8 will run great on my 486 :) | Mar 09 07:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] The Consumer's Dilemma - Funniest thing I've read today: http://bit.ly/gXrALk #humor #copyright #piracy | Mar 09 07:53 | |
| GoForbes28 | 486 FTW! | Mar 09 07:53 |
| GoForbes28 | BTW, funny story | Mar 09 07:53 |
| GoForbes28 | the site where those "leaks" are posted is www.askvg.com | Mar 09 07:53 |
| GoForbes28 | The guy who runs it is a Microsot MVP | Mar 09 07:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Who also apparently makes a lot of Windows 7 themes | Mar 09 07:54 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: MinceR Apparnatly Windows 8 or whatever it will be called, will get multi desktops, well about time for Microsoft | Mar 09 07:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Cisco to stay out of the services business - Computerworld http://bit.ly/fKbdZh | Mar 09 07:55 | |
| cubexyz | actually I'm saddened by the OEM lock-in still | Mar 09 07:55 |
| sebsebseb | about time Microsoft has work spaces in Windows | Mar 09 07:55 |
| GoForbes28 | I once asked him simply how to add outlines to the text in the taskbar to make them more readable, and he says I don't know | Mar 09 07:55 |
| cubexyz | I was in Staples the other day :-/ | Mar 09 07:55 |
| sebsebseb | one of the most asked for features by Linux people for years now I guess :D | Mar 09 07:55 |
| GoForbes28 | A microsoft MVP who specializes in themes, can't answer a simple question that I ended finding out later | Mar 09 07:55 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: MinceR anyway if Windows 8 (or whatever it will be called) doesn't sell that well, and many people remain on XP, well they got a problem really | Mar 09 07:56 |
| abeNd-org | you have a 486 that still works? i held onto my original computer (486dx2-80) as long as i could, but even the isa/vlb slots stopped working after awhile | Mar 09 07:56 |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, yup | Mar 09 07:56 |
| GoForbes28 | and this isn't a astetic thing either, without the outline, the taskbar font is unreadable on light backgrounds | Mar 09 07:56 |
| cubexyz | 486SLC2 50 mhz | Mar 09 07:56 |
| GoForbes28 | another GUI achievement for M$ | Mar 09 07:56 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: MinceR people don't like being forced to upgrade, and well that's what is meant to be happening in April 2014 really, but quite a few will use Windows XP unsupported anyway I guess by then, and many will be open to alternative OS's | Mar 09 07:56 |
| abeNd-org | im noticing with most of my customers that they are making the move to win7 from xp, mostly since they can't really buy xp anymore | Mar 09 07:56 |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, there are computers from the late 1970's that still work | Mar 09 07:57 |
| GoForbes28 | People who I know who run Windows 7 or Vista do so because it came with their laptops | Mar 09 07:57 |
| cubexyz | e.g. Commodore PET | Mar 09 07:57 |
| sebsebseb | XP is alright really, once it's pretty bad security has been properly taken care of, and no I don't mean anti virus and anti spyware programs heh heh, I mean limited accounts, and possibily a sandbox, and a more secure browser such as Firefox | Mar 09 07:57 |
| cubexyz | I don't even consider 486 to be that old | Mar 09 07:57 |
| MinceR | m$ doesn't seem to be able to improve on winblows xp | Mar 09 07:57 |
| MinceR | even though it sucks | Mar 09 07:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Sorry sebsebseb, Windows XP is flawed from the ground up | Mar 09 07:58 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah I guess that's pretty much true really | Mar 09 07:58 |
| cubexyz | the windows that sucked the least was win2k | Mar 09 07:58 |
| sebsebseb | altough I haven't tried out Windows 7 ever properly, but Vista yep | Mar 09 07:58 |
| cubexyz | it still sucked though :) | Mar 09 07:58 |
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| abeNd-org | cube sure, but most consumer grade 486s were pretty bad to begin with (packard bell?) | Mar 09 07:58 |
| sebsebseb | and I know Vista version 2, and Vista are both pretty similar really | Mar 09 07:58 |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, this was an IBM | Mar 09 07:58 |
| GoForbes28 | intergrating a browser into the operating system to the point of application dependencies is the stupidest design decision ever | Mar 09 07:58 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: I used to think WIndows 2000 was the best version of Windows, and for quite a while as well | Mar 09 07:58 |
| abeNd-org | right, no IE9 for windows xp right? | Mar 09 07:58 |
| MinceR | what did xp change compared to 2k? | Mar 09 07:58 |
| GoForbes28 | Windows 2000 when using FDV's fileset is tolerable | Mar 09 07:58 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: oh yeah IE9 apparnatly only for the next version of Windows or whatever | Mar 09 07:59 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: the theme and that was about it I Guess really | Mar 09 07:59 |
| sebsebseb | yeah XP better for eye candy, but other than that, pretty similar to 2000 | Mar 09 07:59 |
| abeNd-org | im trying the ie9 beta out on my win7-x64 box, it looks pretty much like opera | Mar 09 07:59 |
| sebsebseb | uh I said better for eye candy maybe not, I think 2000 was like WIndows 98 and loads of proper 3rd party themes coudl be used no problem and so on | Mar 09 08:00 |
| cubexyz | in a lot of ways Operating Systems are getting worse not better | Mar 09 08:00 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: a part of me wants to try IE 9 beta, but well ok I got Vista on here that I don't exactly boot up, espesaily since I lost the driver CD, so no sound | Mar 09 08:00 |
| cubexyz | but what saves things is Linux and you can just run old distros | Mar 09 08:00 |
| cubexyz | upgrading what you want | Mar 09 08:00 |
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| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: was going to vm XP, for something, not bothered yet, but anyway no IE9 for XP? | Mar 09 08:00 |
| GoForbes28 | cubexyz: except for free software ;) It definitely is getting better | Mar 09 08:01 |
| MinceR | some free software at least | Mar 09 08:01 |
| GoForbes28 | XP=eyecandy? I don't think so | Mar 09 08:01 |
| cubexyz | GoForbes28, I check out a new distro at least once per week | Mar 09 08:01 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if kde and gnome are getting better | Mar 09 08:01 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: sure and we can use Gnome 2 in like 10 years from now if we want to, even though it will hardly be supported by any distros anymore, if any really | Mar 09 08:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Flashback: Qaddafi blames !WikiLeaks > http://nyti.ms/fQMrwi | Mar 09 08:01 | |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: well I guess we can run Gnome 2 some how on a modern distro in 10 years time? | Mar 09 08:01 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, Free software that isn't being corrupted by corporate or proprietary interestes | Mar 09 08:02 |
| cubexyz | sebsebseb, well FC1 is from 2004 so I guess I have 3 years to go :) | Mar 09 08:02 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: Ubuntu is being corrupted by corporate interests? | Mar 09 08:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Mono mono, di-di | Mar 09 08:02 |
| cubexyz | BL3 is pretty old too | Mar 09 08:02 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: I read about one guy well quiting ast he Maryland loco leader, because of Canonical and so on | Mar 09 08:02 |
| GoForbes28 | sorry, just referencing those old caulking commercials | Mar 09 08:03 |
| sebsebseb | Canonical really are making Ubuntu into a product now, so true | Mar 09 08:03 |
| sebsebseb | it's not this distro where things were quite a lot about community before | Mar 09 08:03 |
| GoForbes28 | A mediocre product | Mar 09 08:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Patent trolls fatten up on vaguely worded patents (Ars): http://bit.ly/eKECJy | Mar 09 08:03 | |
| GoForbes28 | I think when judging the improvement of Free software, you have to look at every program overall | Mar 09 08:03 |
| cubexyz | I archive stuff a lot, you never know when old source code will disappear | Mar 09 08:04 |
| cubexyz | it was hard to find KDE 3.4.2 | Mar 09 08:04 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: I think I know what you mean | Mar 09 08:04 |
| sebsebseb | and bingo | Mar 09 08:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Sure, some programs/operating systems may become worst, but so long as Free software as a whole is improving, everything is good | Mar 09 08:04 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: ISO's start to disappear for old versions of distro's | Mar 09 08:04 |
| GoForbes28 | *worse | Mar 09 08:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Like short-run vs. long-run economics | Mar 09 08:04 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: at leat Ubuntu still provide their old ISO's though :) | Mar 09 08:05 |
| sebsebseb | of stable releases only though | Mar 09 08:05 |
| cubexyz | sebsebseb, right, the server admins delete the old stuff to make room | Mar 09 08:05 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu/Canonical above | Mar 09 08:05 |
| sebsebseb | Mint are keeping their old stable versions as well :) | Mar 09 08:05 |
| GoForbes28 | there are mirrors of old releases | Mar 09 08:05 |
| cubexyz | sebsebseb, but do the ISO's come with _all_ source? probably not | Mar 09 08:05 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, they also may have proprietary packages, ala Netscape and Adobe Reader | Mar 09 08:06 |
| cubexyz | try to find old KDE source, not easy | Mar 09 08:06 |
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| GoForbes28 | stupid mouse slips | Mar 09 08:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @johnkoetsier: Android now more profitable than iOS for well-known game developer http://bit.ly/eljOdz | Mar 09 08:10 | |
| GoForbes28 | any way to display previous IRC messages? | Mar 09 08:10 |
| cubexyz | there is the logs | Mar 09 08:10 |
| GoForbes28 | I mean on demand | Mar 09 08:11 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: this channel is publically logged, as for your client, well turn logging in or whatever if it's not already I guess | Mar 09 08:11 |
| cubexyz | http://maxhost.org/other/techrights.log | Mar 09 08:11 |
| cubexyz | should be up-to-date | Mar 09 08:11 |
| cubexyz | I'd use wget though, not the browser | Mar 09 08:12 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5677/196/ | Mar 09 08:12 |
| GoForbes28 | thanks, btw | Mar 09 08:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] The pulse of the Drupal community after 10 years | http://bit.ly/enQc9O #drupalcon #drupalchi | Mar 09 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Gentoo Linux 11.0 Released http://is.gd/wvgu5j #software #gnu #linux #microsoft #windows | Mar 09 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @arstechnica: Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong": http://t.co/2kH4dHr by @natexanderson | Mar 09 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @noyesk: Hackers versus Apple http://h-online.com/-1202598 #theh #security | Mar 09 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @noyesk: Death of the signing bonus: Open source recruitment works http://reg.cx/1N7k #opensource | Mar 09 08:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Large HDD/SSD Linux 2.6.38 File-System Comparison: Here are the results from our largest Linux file-system compa... http://bit.ly/g5pqGn | Mar 09 08:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @webmink: Consumer’s Dilemma License recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries for the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqt | Mar 09 08:18 | |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: no ie9 for xp from what i can tell | Mar 09 08:19 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: GoForbes28 well there wasn't going to be an IE 7 for XP, but then Firefox started gaining loads of market share | Mar 09 08:19 |
| sebsebseb | IE 7 was going to be only for Vista | Mar 09 08:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Apple patches critical #Mac bugs with #Java updates http://is.gd/jejEcp | Mar 09 08:20 | |
| abeNd-org | xp was still in the supported phase then, it is not now | Mar 09 08:20 |
| cubexyz | is XP EOL now? | Mar 09 08:20 |
| sebsebseb | now it's on extended support | Mar 09 08:20 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Mar 09 08:20 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: no | Mar 09 08:20 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: April 14 unless Microsoft extend again, and that's only SP3 | Mar 09 08:20 |
| sebsebseb | got extended by four years, was going to be EOL last year | Mar 09 08:21 |
| cubexyz | just checking... I wouldn't care at all but my customers might wish to know | Mar 09 08:21 |
| sebsebseb | and they want business leaving it by 2012 | Mar 09 08:21 |
| sebsebseb | from what I read before | Mar 09 08:21 |
| cubexyz | great, that should mean more Linux users | Mar 09 08:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jospoortvliet FOSS world must realize without collaboration !linux desktop goes nowhere. !gnome !kde wakeup call! http://bit.ly/gP7gE6 | Mar 09 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] The Harper Gov't are again hypocrites: negotiates with "evil separatists" to pass BillC32 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5676/196/ | Mar 09 08:21 | |
| cubexyz | save some $$$ | Mar 09 08:21 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: yeah and if we are lucky ReactOS will be well much more developed by April 2014 :) | Mar 09 08:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but probably not quite for that one :( | Mar 09 08:22 |
| sebsebseb | would be great if it can run most XP junk apps that loads of people want, and their hardware drivers, by then though | Mar 09 08:22 |
| cubexyz | it's definitely still Alpha | Mar 09 08:22 |
| GoForbes28 | ReactOS is a good idea, but unfortunately Microsoft is not Unix | Mar 09 08:22 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: meaning? | Mar 09 08:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Android OS Update Problem http://is.gd/1wt1sB #android | Mar 09 08:23 | |
| GoForbes28 | A number people think that ReactOS is the next GNU/Linux in the sense that it will do to Windows what "Linux" did to Unix | Mar 09 08:23 |
| cubexyz | version 0.3.12 implies it | Mar 09 08:23 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: uh maybe one day if it's developed enough in time :D | Mar 09 08:23 |
| cubexyz | it's got a ways to go still | Mar 09 08:23 |
| GoForbes28 | It will be beta by version 0.5 | Mar 09 08:24 |
| abeNd-org | there will be a point where 3rd party apps will stop supporting xp, & people would have no choice, especially in business, to move onto win7 (especially when said app doesnt exist in the linux world at all) | Mar 09 08:24 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: uh if they wait untill April 2014 to dump XP | Mar 09 08:24 |
| cubexyz | there's always a choice | Mar 09 08:24 |
| sebsebseb | it's Windows 8 or whatever it's called I guess | Mar 09 08:24 |
| GoForbes28 | brb | Mar 09 08:24 |
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| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: if going at the end of 2012, I guess can be an early adopter for Windows 8 or whatever it will be called? | Mar 09 08:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Android Security: Six Tips to Protect Your Google Phone http://is.gd/4XJP82 #android #security #google (via @sjvn) | Mar 09 08:25 | |
| sebsebseb | oh | Mar 09 08:25 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Mar 09 08:25 |
| sebsebseb | ah yes that's ok what I am thinking | Mar 09 08:25 |
| sebsebseb | Vista was 2006 | Mar 09 08:25 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 7 was end of October 2009 | Mar 09 08:25 |
| sebsebseb | so yep probably Windows 8 (or whatever it will be called) at the end of 2012 ? | Mar 09 08:25 |
| abeNd-org | no worries, the world will end in 2012, so perhaps ms will advertise it as windows 8, 2012, world ender edition plus! | Mar 09 08:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Comcast Will Now Troubleshoot Your Gear, Too http://gizmo.do/epAiNQ | Mar 09 08:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with EU treaties http://ur1.ca/3ftwa (DE) #swpat | Mar 09 08:26 | |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: abeNd-org anyway I think my Mum might be more open to doing Desktop LInux on her current lap top, if it's still working in April 2014, when XP runs out of support :) | Mar 09 08:26 |
| sebsebseb | plus by then well | Mar 09 08:26 |
| sebsebseb | my older brother will have used for quite a while as well it seems | Mar 09 08:27 |
| cubexyz | I'd be more satisified with Microsoft-Ender version now | Mar 09 08:27 |
| sebsebseb | and my little brother will be having his lap top with LInux on it so :D | Mar 09 08:27 |
| sebsebseb | anyway my little brother wants a lap top next year, when he goes to another school | Mar 09 08:27 |
| sebsebseb | and | Mar 09 08:27 |
| sebsebseb | well I think it makes sense to buy a lap top when Windows 8 comes out | Mar 09 08:27 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's right having Windows, even though he probably woudnt' really need it as such | Mar 09 08:27 |
| sebsebseb | then again the schools are locked into Windows, so yeah | Mar 09 08:28 |
| sebsebseb | plus he might end up playing some commerical games, that are for Windows or something, so hmm | Mar 09 08:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] @karsten PDF of ECJ opinion re unitary patent (EN) http://ur1.ca/3ftwj #swpat | Mar 09 08:28 | |
| sebsebseb | like it or not, because of how things are, Windows can be good to have around attimes | Mar 09 08:28 |
| cubexyz | I never use it | Mar 09 08:29 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes forced to use it as well, because of a Educational Establishment or work place, or well software that needs it | Mar 09 08:29 |
| sebsebseb | for example my latest driving thorey DVD I need Windows for that it seems, becasue of the copy protection | Mar 09 08:29 |
| sebsebseb | the DRM | Mar 09 08:29 |
| cubexyz | hmmm? | Mar 09 08:29 |
| sebsebseb | so when I try in Wine it thinks I am running a priated copy basically, even though it was bought | Mar 09 08:29 |
| cubexyz | sounds awful | Mar 09 08:29 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Mar 09 08:30 |
| sebsebseb | I haven't done it yet, but I hope it works no problem in XP vm :) | Mar 09 08:30 |
| abeNd-org | dvd video through a vm? good luck on that | Mar 09 08:30 |
| sebsebseb | if not well, my Vista has no sound right now like I mentioend earlier | Mar 09 08:30 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: no | Mar 09 08:30 |
| abeNd-org | im sure it will work, but the refresh would probably be horrible | Mar 09 08:30 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: not DVD video | Mar 09 08:30 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: software DVD | Mar 09 08:30 |
| abeNd-org | ah, that should work just fine | Mar 09 08:30 |
| sebsebseb | a DVD ROM | Mar 09 08:30 |
| sebsebseb | altough sure it has some videos on it, but that shoudn't be a problem | Mar 09 08:31 |
| cubexyz | ummm, do you have a separate license key for your VM XP? | Mar 09 08:31 |
| cubexyz | just curious | Mar 09 08:31 |
| cubexyz | not sure how that works | Mar 09 08:31 |
| abeNd-org | if its win7 & the xpmode, its built into your win7 | Mar 09 08:32 |
| sebsebseb | legally bought copy, but if I really wanted to, I could run a pirate, well special edited version by geeks, for example | Mar 09 08:32 |
| abeNd-org | if you are running an xp vm through vmware on win or linux or mac, yeah, you have to have a full blown real license | Mar 09 08:32 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: uh? | Mar 09 08:32 |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, what if you erased your XP from one computer and reinstalled on a different computer using a VM? | Mar 09 08:33 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: I don't think that's true | Mar 09 08:33 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: pirate copys can work for example | Mar 09 08:33 |
| MinceR | what if you run an OEM preinstalled copy of winblows in a VM, using the on-disk filesystem (as opposed to a virtual HDD)? | Mar 09 08:33 |
| cubexyz | it might give one some trouble | Mar 09 08:33 |
| abeNd-org | cubexyz: that all depends on if it is an OEM version, OEM windows license is legally tied to that original computer, you legally are not allowed to move that license to another computer, or a VM | Mar 09 08:33 |
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| cubexyz | ah I see | Mar 09 08:34 |
| abeNd-org | im not talking piracy here, talking regular licensing | Mar 09 08:34 |
| abeNd-org | if it is a retail version, your eopen/vlk license you are pretty much able to install it however many times in whatever way you want, at least for the amount of licenses you purchased through the vlk | Mar 09 08:34 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: multi lisense is only for professional versions though isn't it? | Mar 09 08:35 |
| sebsebseb | not home versions? | Mar 09 08:35 |
| cubexyz | another reason not to use it :) | Mar 09 08:35 |
| abeNd-org | im no license guru, & heck, ms has teams of people dedicated to their own labyrinth of licensing, but thats the jist of it | Mar 09 08:35 |
| cubexyz | not that I needed one | Mar 09 08:35 |
| abeNd-org | oem is oem, be it home or professional, works the same way | Mar 09 08:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: yeah restricted software | Mar 09 08:36 |
| cubexyz | so how much for a regular license? | Mar 09 08:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: can't do this or that legally, uh, but we own it? no we don't | Mar 09 08:36 |
| abeNd-org | "the oem gets it cheaper & passes the cost savings onto you" so you cant legally move the license to another computer | Mar 09 08:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: ,but we bought it? so we own Windows? uh no we don't, we just basically rent it | Mar 09 08:36 |
| cubexyz | ah, but I'm liberated now :) | Mar 09 08:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Woa.... Liking the new Foursquare! | Mar 09 08:36 | |
| sebsebseb | same thing for cloud gaming I guess | Mar 09 08:36 |
| cubexyz | I'm a Universalist OS Specialist :) | Mar 09 08:36 |
| sebsebseb | you may have paid to have access to the cloud to play those games | Mar 09 08:36 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you don't own the games | Mar 09 08:36 |
| cubexyz | oops, except for windows :-0 | Mar 09 08:37 |
| cubexyz | oh I have source code for some games | Mar 09 08:37 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I own FIrefox, well sort of :D I can have access to the code and do stuff with it | Mar 09 08:37 |
| cubexyz | had to sign an NDA though | Mar 09 08:37 |
| *sebsebseb owns the Linus kernel | Mar 09 08:38 | |
| sebsebseb | yeah I am Linus in disguse | Mar 09 08:38 |
| sebsebseb | you have all been fooled so well so far | Mar 09 08:38 |
| cubexyz | well... you at least "own" what you write | Mar 09 08:38 |
| sebsebseb | well this was fun being an average person, but now my secret is out | Mar 09 08:38 |
| cubexyz | if you have source code, and libraries, and compiler, then you are set | Mar 09 08:38 |
| cubexyz | otherwise, you are stuck | Mar 09 08:39 |
| *sebsebseb anyway seriosuly, I think that Linux would probably never come here | Mar 09 08:39 | |
| sebsebseb | Linus not Linux above | Mar 09 08:39 |
| cubexyz | Linux is here, except I'm on BSD at the moment :) | Mar 09 08:39 |
| sebsebseb | anyway April 2014 should be interesting | Mar 09 08:40 |
| sebsebseb | XP probably going end of life yep, but whilst it is still on most of the worlds computers probably | Mar 09 08:40 |
| sebsebseb | and well alternatives such as Desktop Linux, besing as jono would say, awesome | Mar 09 08:41 |
| sebsebseb | btrfs for most distro's Gnome 3 nice and developed, user interfaces for it shell and Unity, KDE even mroe developed, and so on | Mar 09 08:41 |
| sebsebseb | oh 2014 should be pretty good for Desktop Linux I guess | Mar 09 08:41 |
| sebsebseb | 2014 the year of desktop linux? uhmm maybe, but it might have already happended before then | Mar 09 08:42 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: why did you version me? | Mar 09 08:42 |
| GoForbes28 | I hate "year of" statements | Mar 09 08:42 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: yeah well | Mar 09 08:42 |
| cubexyz | just checking :) | Mar 09 08:42 |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: by april 2014 most home user's computers with xp on them now will have been replaced, and companies would have migrated off xp to win7-x64 since they will want the use of 4gb+ ram | Mar 09 08:42 |
| sebsebseb | they do it pretty much every new years | Mar 09 08:42 |
| sebsebseb | for Linux, and I know it's not new years :D | Mar 09 08:42 |
| sebsebseb | [16:42] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from cubexyz: Noobchat 2.8.6 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE [i386/664.00MHz]. | Mar 09 08:43 |
| GoForbes28 | I also hate when the minority government negotiates with a group they previously denounced to pass a bill that is in conflict with the majority of Canadians | Mar 09 08:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] News on Firefox 4 RC1 http://is.gd/fK0u86 #mozilla #firefox #web #software | Mar 09 08:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Canonical pares Ubuntu down to 2 editions - Register http://ping.fm/YnKjb | Mar 09 08:43 | |
| cubexyz | nice edit | Mar 09 08:43 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: indeed :) | Mar 09 08:43 |
| sebsebseb | and it is Noobchat really, since most of the Ubuntu newbies use it for a start | Mar 09 08:43 |
| cubexyz | yeah it would be much cooler if I used a Commodore 128 | Mar 09 08:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I can happily imagine a world without #religion, but not a world without #science. #atheist #secularhumanist | Mar 09 08:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] All parts of the "What's coming in #2638" series finally online http://heise.de/-1202105 (de) http://h-online.com/-1202826 (en) | Mar 09 08:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @karsten ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with EU treaties http://ur1.ca/3ftwa (DE) #swpat | Mar 09 08:45 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: cubexyz GoForbes28 Ok regarding that dent that came in about the versions of Ubuntu, well that makes sense | Mar 09 08:45 |
| sebsebseb | to only do two versions | Mar 09 08:46 |
| sebsebseb | of Ubuntu | Mar 09 08:46 |
| sebsebseb | yep MinceR they will get rid of Kubuntu to, no not now, that's Kubuntu | Mar 09 08:46 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I guess when they do QT for 11.10, Kubuntu will become even less relivent in a way | Mar 09 08:46 |
| sebsebseb | want KDE apps ok, so just install them with Unity and yep | Mar 09 08:46 |
| sebsebseb | and they should fit in with the Unity envrionment reasonably then as well | Mar 09 08:47 |
| *MinceR doesn't care about *ubuntu | Mar 09 08:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Curtea Europeană spune că propunerea Comisiei pt tratarea unitară a patentelor e incompatibilă cu Tratatul http://tinyurl.com/5th62k5 #ro | Mar 09 08:48 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: lies your still on Kubuntu 9.10 | Mar 09 08:48 |
| sebsebseb | so you hae to care about Canonical to an extent, becasue well | Mar 09 08:48 |
| sebsebseb | if it wasn't for them KUbuntu 9.10 woudn't exist, and well you woudn't be getting updates for it untill the end of April | Mar 09 08:49 |
| MinceR | if it wasn't for them i'd be running Lenny right now | Mar 09 08:49 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah? why don't you change then? | Mar 09 08:49 |
| sebsebseb | why did you go Ubuntu not Debian? | Mar 09 08:49 |
| MinceR | no time to change right now | Mar 09 08:50 |
| abeNd-org | ive been trying to turn some local home schoolers with really old xp machines onto edubutu, but they dont have dvdroms to install it, & none of the current editions of it come on cd | Mar 09 08:50 |
| MinceR | i went ubuntu mainly because i believed the kde4 hype | Mar 09 08:50 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Ubuntu online stuff is like a virus at times, it's pretty hard to get away from, I mean if using this channel since it comes in on dents, or if using identica since it's there yeah | Mar 09 08:50 |
| sebsebseb | or even if going to some Linux news site, probably going to see some Ubuntu stuff mentioned | Mar 09 08:50 |
| MinceR | and because gnome-do (which i stopped using long ago) was packaged incorrectly in debian | Mar 09 08:50 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: oh I think there's some sort of work around for that | Mar 09 08:50 |
| MinceR | abeNd-org: do they have usb slots? | Mar 09 08:51 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: like installing the standard Ubuntu version and then edubuntu-desktop into it | Mar 09 08:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with #EU treaties http://tinyurl.com/5r6djzs #fsfe (via @kgerloff ) | Mar 09 08:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Is A Few Days Away: The Linux 2.6.38 is effectively ready for release. The condition of ... http://bit.ly/eMj2R4 | Mar 09 08:51 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: you belived the KDE 4 hype? | Mar 09 08:51 |
| cubexyz | no :) | Mar 09 08:52 |
| *sebsebseb thinks kapman is packaged incorrectly or something in PC Linux OS, it's really laggy, and it was for someone else as well, but I think for someone else it was ok hmm | Mar 09 08:52 | |
| abeNd-org | mincer yes, but i dont think the usb port is bootable on those old machines | Mar 09 08:52 |
| MinceR | do they have floppy drives? | Mar 09 08:52 |
| *sebsebseb has had Choqok issues in PC Linux OS as well, and even after a version upgrade, but was using Elmdentica instead earlier :) | Mar 09 08:52 | |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i did, at one point | Mar 09 08:52 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i thought i just had to have 3d compositing, and since compiz is unstable and doesn't support it to be temporarily disabled, kde4 was the only way | Mar 09 08:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I hope there will be a propritary Nvidia driver available in !kubuntu "Natty Narwhal" soon. | Mar 09 08:53 | |
| MinceR | abeNd-org: maybe you can use a floppy or a cd with some bootloader-like stuff such as SBM to boot the usb flash drive | Mar 09 08:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: uh you could KDE 4 in Debian? | Mar 09 08:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: you should go to Ubuntu Developer Summit next time, it's in Budapest next time, so your country | Mar 09 08:54 |
| MinceR | i don't think i could get it to run easily | Mar 09 08:54 |
| MinceR | why should i go to UDS? | Mar 09 08:54 |
| MinceR | ubuntu is no longer relevant to me | Mar 09 08:54 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: you should go to it, and dance around in a room with loads of them, and say out loud, Ubuntu SUCKS! :D | Mar 09 08:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 09 08:55 |
| sebsebseb | and really annoy them, untill security has to remove you :D | Mar 09 08:55 |
| cubexyz | no, go and tell everyone you only use LFS in text mode :) | Mar 09 08:55 |
| abeNd-org | mincer this is something i am trying to get them to do, i am remote to them, there is no possible way they can do that :) getting them to boot off a dvd would be a miracle , much less boot floppy to usb to whatever :) | Mar 09 08:55 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 09 08:55 |
| MinceR | i used to boot a livedvd off a floppy with SBM :> | Mar 09 08:56 |
| abeNd-org | yea, they freecycled a bunch of old computers from me & first thing they did was email me asking "where is windows" (since i had no legal license to give them, the drives were blank) & thats when i tried getting them to go edubuntu | Mar 09 08:57 |
| cubexyz | people are so unadaptable | Mar 09 08:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] "The {Collaboration} Summit forms the opening bookend to something of a Linuxpalooza set to rock the Kabuki..." http://bit.ly/hOOZZq | Mar 09 08:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxjournal: Back from the Dead: Simple Bash for complex DdoS http://ht.ly/1bGAXm #security | Mar 09 08:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Pleasantly surprised by the speed of @MyMCServ support. Good start to a customer relationship. :) | Mar 09 08:58 | |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: uh Edubuntu will go Unity as well I guess hmm | Mar 09 08:58 |
| sebsebseb | Freecyled I like that, I guess you mean you gave away the computers to them for FREE? | Mar 09 08:59 |
| cubexyz | I guess you would have to be old enough to remember pre-windows computers to have at least some independence from windows | Mar 09 08:59 |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: yes, freecycle.org | Mar 09 08:59 |
| cubexyz | present company excluded of course | Mar 09 08:59 |
| MinceR | it was nice | Mar 09 08:59 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: yeah my primary school had | Mar 09 08:59 |
| sebsebseb | really old BBC's | Mar 09 08:59 |
| sebsebseb | uh black and white | Mar 09 09:00 |
| MinceR | then again, one can still build desktops and servers without having to pay the m$ tax | Mar 09 09:00 |
| abeNd-org | the community around here is pretty big with freecycle | Mar 09 09:00 |
| sebsebseb | had a program called logo on it | Mar 09 09:00 |
| MinceR | it's laptops where trouble starts | Mar 09 09:00 |
| sebsebseb | for like uhmm maths or whatever and that was about it | Mar 09 09:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sq | Mar 09 09:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] RT @octavioislas La Jornada es el primer diario en América Latina y sexto en el mundo, en recibir cables filtrados por !WikiLeaks | Mar 09 09:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: HP: The Linux Desktop Company http://t.co/po36586 HP!? Yes, #HP #linux #webOS by @sjvn #gnu #romania | Mar 09 09:00 | |
| abeNd-org | turtle tracks! | Mar 09 09:00 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: yeah a turtle or whatever, you know LOGO? | Mar 09 09:00 |
| cubexyz | ha, logo | Mar 09 09:00 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: you know it? | Mar 09 09:00 |
| cubexyz | yes | Mar 09 09:00 |
| sebsebseb | ok cool :) | Mar 09 09:01 |
| cubexyz | but it would be easy to write your own | Mar 09 09:01 |
| sebsebseb | don't remember it that much now | Mar 09 09:01 |
| sebsebseb | ,but used as a kid at school yeah | Mar 09 09:01 |
| abeNd-org | logo is not known to me, my first program in elementary school was turtle tracks, dont even remember what platform it was on | Mar 09 09:01 |
| sebsebseb | would like put in degrees and it would draw a picture or whatever | Mar 09 09:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Why OSS is the right flavor for the government cloud | http://bit.ly/foMa6m #opengov #gov20 | Mar 09 09:01 | |
| sebsebseb | then I think later on logo got updated with a more modern version for Windows or whatever | Mar 09 09:01 |
| MinceR | bbl | Mar 09 09:02 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: and they had the old Achorns as well :) asteroties on it, and pac man, and a golf game, and yeah mainly or only really used for games when I was there | Mar 09 09:02 |
| cubexyz | kturtle hasn't been updated in ages | Mar 09 09:02 |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: i had a big pile of old P3/P4 machines that to me are worthless since they weren't x64, so i just freecycled them | Mar 09 09:02 |
| sebsebseb | then yep Windows 95 and such | Mar 09 09:02 |
| sebsebseb | and well they were going to get Internet, but | Mar 09 09:02 |
| cubexyz | why doesn't anyone like p3? | Mar 09 09:02 |
| sebsebseb | not when I was at primary school, but soon after yep | Mar 09 09:02 |
| cubexyz | it was a good cpu | Mar 09 09:02 |
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| abeNd-org | it is not x64, thus cannot run ESXi 4.x | Mar 09 09:02 |
| sebsebseb | and I learnt to touch type instead of writing joined up :) been very userful for me over the years | Mar 09 09:03 |
| sebsebseb | I learnt at school, and did at home as well, Mavis Beacon and so on :D | Mar 09 09:03 |
| abeNd-org | and none of the motherboards that used the P3 address ram worth mentioning these days | Mar 09 09:03 |
| cubexyz | I learned on a typewriter :) | Mar 09 09:03 |
| sebsebseb | over 10 years of touch typing :) | Mar 09 09:03 |
| abeNd-org | i was looking at a home server with 16GB ram & figured that would not be sufficient for my virtual testing needs | Mar 09 09:03 |
| cubexyz | hmmm | Mar 09 09:03 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: then the secondary school, still the achorns, but just about, most of the comptuers were PC's with Windows, and then well later on whilst I was there they got rid of the achorns :( | Mar 09 09:04 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: a boy I used to go to school with some how got one of them though apparnatly | Mar 09 09:04 |
| sebsebseb | oh good times these older computers | Mar 09 09:04 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then Windows came along, and messed loads of things up really | Mar 09 09:04 |
| cubexyz | oh I like retrocomputing | Mar 09 09:04 |
| cubexyz | probably more than you folks :) | Mar 09 09:04 |
| sebsebseb | except I have only used the two I mentioned propelry | Mar 09 09:04 |
| sebsebseb | and well I seen an old Amiga before | Mar 09 09:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Becoming truly anonymous. Going underground http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49844 | Mar 09 09:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @rms: Kucinich and Manning http://ur1.ca/3fu8f | Mar 09 09:05 | |
| abeNd-org | meh, i deal with enough old computers at work, i dont want to make a hobby out of it | Mar 09 09:05 |
| sebsebseb | can't remember if it was on though when I was there, someone I used to know | Mar 09 09:05 |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, I don't think you would like original Amiga then :) | Mar 09 09:05 |
| cubexyz | 512K was standard | Mar 09 09:05 |
| cubexyz | so for me 512 meg is ample memory | Mar 09 09:06 |
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| abeNd-org | cubexyz: i bet you are right, i have no desire to play with that | Mar 09 09:06 |
| abeNd-org | or time :P | Mar 09 09:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Manning’s naked nights ’situationally driven’. US Marine Corps explanation http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49845 | Mar 09 09:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: #WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0... http://bit.ly/gRHQOj | Mar 09 09:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@ruiseabra: ♺@greve:@kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense. | Mar 09 09:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Every #HP PC shipped next year will have #webOS - http://zd.net/eIt8VA "shipped with" or "able to run"? makes a difference... | Mar 09 09:06 | |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, it did have one major advantage over modern PCs... | Mar 09 09:07 |
| cubexyz | every register on every chip was documented 100% | Mar 09 09:07 |
| sebsebseb | ok good Linux on every HP computer starting next year :) | Mar 09 09:07 |
| sebsebseb | well webos | Mar 09 09:08 |
| cubexyz | but yeah, I don't think it would be good for web browsing | Mar 09 09:08 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that's run by Linux so :D | Mar 09 09:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Mozilla Moves On - http://bit.ly/i0nwSl new CEO explains how #Mozilla will save the Web - again #webapps #firefox | Mar 09 09:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: A/C gerações rasca e à rasca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdFPYoIv5Gk | Mar 09 09:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it ... | Mar 09 09:08 | |
| abeNd-org | yeah, im quite happy with my palm pre, but no official upgrade to webos2 on it though | Mar 09 09:08 |
| cubexyz | HyperSpace is interesting | Mar 09 09:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at EDEKA http://b1t.it/clu #4sq | Mar 09 09:10 | |
| abeNd-org | they have a "frankenpre" upgrade for it, but it needs access to a preplus or pre2 | Mar 09 09:10 |
| cubexyz | and HP bought it so... | Mar 09 09:10 |
| sebsebseb | what about WebOS | Mar 09 09:11 |
| sebsebseb | I don't reallly know much about it | Mar 09 09:11 |
| sebsebseb | just that it runs Linux :) | Mar 09 09:11 |
| abeNd-org | its great | Mar 09 09:11 |
| abeNd-org | its free to try in a virtual environment with the free PDK | Mar 09 09:11 |
| sebsebseb | PDK ? | Mar 09 09:11 |
| cubexyz | the trouble is where would one buy a linux HP computer? | Mar 09 09:12 |
| cubexyz | directly from HP? | Mar 09 09:12 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: the link I gave | Mar 09 09:12 |
| sebsebseb | said all new HP computers shipped next year | Mar 09 09:12 |
| sebsebseb | will have WebOS | Mar 09 09:12 |
| abeNd-org | http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1970&Itemid=20 & http://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1744 | Mar 09 09:12 |
| abeNd-org | its a virtualbox vm, works great | Mar 09 09:12 |
| cubexyz | hmmm | Mar 09 09:12 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: oh so there isn't a installer for webos? | Mar 09 09:13 |
| *Diablo-D3 is now known as slush | Mar 09 09:13 | |
| abeNd-org | not currently | Mar 09 09:13 |
| cubexyz | but what about the Microsoftt Tax? | Mar 09 09:13 |
| *slush is now known as Diablo-D3 | Mar 09 09:13 | |
| abeNd-org | not one that *I* know of anyways | Mar 09 09:13 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: most Hp's will dual boot with Windows it seems | Mar 09 09:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Second Jumper From The Daily - http://bit.ly/gTyRn9 didn't take long... ( @AntDeRosa @robinwauters) #publishing #ipad | Mar 09 09:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Land mines for open source in mobile - http://bit.ly/hnSJEs good points #opensource #smartphones | Mar 09 09:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sting culture and #NPR’s capitulation to falsehood - http://bit.ly/fY6uiI "letting liars take over our public discourse"; worrying trend | Mar 09 09:13 | |
| sebsebseb | read the link I guess | Mar 09 09:13 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: Someone mentioned I could try out Android on a PC, you got a link for that? | Mar 09 09:14 |
| abeNd-org | Android - https://code.google.com/p/android-x86/downloads/list - just boot the iso in vmware & you can use the mail app or add touchdown to test the local network connectivity (or external if you are external) | Mar 09 09:14 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Mar 09 09:14 |
| abeNd-org | some of the iso are built specifically for different netbooks | Mar 09 09:14 |
| sebsebseb | right, but can Android apps work like that? | Mar 09 09:14 |
| sebsebseb | also you recommend vmware? I would use Virtualbox | Mar 09 09:15 |
| abeNd-org | if you have a data connection, they dont care | Mar 09 09:15 |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: the webos one is virtualbox native | Mar 09 09:15 |
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| abeNd-org | i have vmware workstation license from work, so thats what i use for most things | Mar 09 09:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh right ok | Mar 09 09:15 |
| abeNd-org | but im sure the android-x86 iso would work fine booting from virtualbox too | Mar 09 09:16 |
| abeNd-org | and you just mouse around as if it was a touchscreen | Mar 09 09:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] IE9: A More Beautiful Web Launches on March 14th - http://bit.ly/fft5Db indeed: one based on open standards #ie #html5 | Mar 09 09:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] NPR: Help us figure out which Senator killed #Whistleblower Protection - http://bit.ly/hyqeqB nothing to hide, nothing to fear, no? | Mar 09 09:16 | |
| abeNd-org | ive had to use it for testing our exchange & groupwise activesync customers | Mar 09 09:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stephen Fry’s Big Digital Day and our hack room - http://bit.ly/enauHD "to bring industry together for a single day of inspiring exchange" | Mar 09 09:20 | |
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| abeNd-org | i should see if angry birds runs well in the vm... | Mar 09 09:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Feds Really Do Seem To Think That Linking To Infringing Content Can Be A Jailable Offense - http://bit.ly/hcGxuS Web haters, it seems | Mar 09 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.—Thomas Paine ♻ @cosmologist | Mar 09 09:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why the Cookie Monster Won’t Kill European Startups - http://bit.ly/ftMMlc useful corrective to earlier fears | Mar 09 09:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @bob_sutor: Blog post: Land mines for open source in #mobile http://bit.ly/hIoDCm #mobile #opensource #free #software #gnu #linux | Mar 09 09:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Open Compliance Focus for April is on Collaboration http://bit.ly/fdklo2 #linux #gnu | Mar 09 09:28 | |
| abeNd-org | http://www.amazon.com/HP-HP-TOUCHPAD-TouchPad/dp/tech-data/B004JXWMIC | Mar 09 09:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linux_pro: Canonical Changes Ubuntu Naming Conventions - http://is.gd/pQDZtT #ubuntu #canonical #community | Mar 09 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Minty Freshness: New LMDE Theme Based On Orta, Created By SkiesOfAzel http://bit.ly/hEcdGo | Mar 09 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Chomping through email... | Mar 09 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Pls help us welcome #Panasonic at Gold level of mbership. http://bit.ly/e635tt #gnu #linux | Mar 09 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Watching @methoddan on http://live.twit.tv/ -- say hello to @acedtect from me, Dan! :D | Mar 09 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Panasonic Joins Linux Foundation http://is.gd/JnY5vX #gnu #linux #software #microsoft #windows | Mar 09 09:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FLOSS Weekly live with @methoddan right now: http://live.twit.tv | Mar 09 09:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya a perfect example of the media whipping boy. Who is going to complain? Nobody so fill your boots in safety. #safegroupclosure | Mar 09 09:35 | |
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| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: GoForbes28 cubexyz Is Android really that amazing? Ok yes yes, it runs Linux, but doesn't help with Desktop Linux, also it helps Google a lot, so really it's Google hype? | Mar 09 09:38 |
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| sebsebseb | oh jono you moved house and also changed ISP at same time or? | Mar 09 09:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] http://www.usbtypewriter.com -- Wow.... Oo | Mar 09 09:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "This video contains content from UMG. It is not available in your country." | Mar 09 09:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @snarf: #Inkscape 0.48.1 is out! http://is.gd/rzGF7g | Mar 09 09:43 | |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: it makes for a nice phoneOS, like WebOS, a nice alternative to iOS & all the rabid apple fans | Mar 09 09:45 |
| abeNd-org | but it is no desktop or even true netbook os | Mar 09 09:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @corenominal: ♺ @fabsh: FLOSS Weekly live with @methoddan right now: http://live.twit.tv - topic SELinux | Mar 09 09:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I would like anyone who feels that NATO is far better behaved than #Libya to let me know about it and tell me why. | Mar 09 09:45 | |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: Android is really for phones yeah, and well ok sure nice Iphone and Windows Phone 7 / Windows Mobile Phone alternative indeed, but other then that, it's just a load of hype isn't it? | Mar 09 09:45 |
| sebsebseb | I mean it's the most used one at the moment, but why? | Mar 09 09:45 |
| sebsebseb | since Google is behind it, and Google has a lot of hype? | Mar 09 09:46 |
| abeNd-org | hype helps, the fact winmob7 sucks helps & people who hate apple are going android | Mar 09 09:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Legislature passes bill to teach U.S. is republic - http://bit.ly/e1MFMU none of that socialist "democracy" rubbish... #politics | Mar 09 09:46 | |
| sebsebseb | uh as well as a lot of well consumers, who don't really know about this stuff | Mar 09 09:46 |
| sebsebseb | just go for it, because it's very popular | Mar 09 09:46 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 09 09:46 |
| abeNd-org | yea, most people go into a phone store & dont know what they are buying | Mar 09 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | let's take BBC Click for example | Mar 09 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | UK technology program | Mar 09 09:47 |
| sebsebseb | Android, Iphone, Windows phone 7, maybe something about Blackberry at times, but that's pretty much it for the phones | Mar 09 09:48 |
| cubexyz | is that still being made sebsebseb? | Mar 09 09:48 |
| cubexyz | re: BBC Click | Mar 09 09:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @beabusaniche #transparencia en la negociación del TLC Mercosur Unión Europea, Acompañanos en esta iniciativa http://ur1.ca/3fuy2 | Mar 09 09:48 | |
| sebsebseb | let's take OS's for that show, well mainly Windows and then Mac here and there, and on occassion something about Linux | Mar 09 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: yep every week | Mar 09 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | let's take social networking | Mar 09 09:48 |
| cubexyz | well at least they show Linux sometimes | Mar 09 09:48 |
| abeNd-org | blackberry, its too bad, they have great corporate security, but the interface is just sad | Mar 09 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | mainly Facebook and Twitter, mainly I say, more like pretty much only | Mar 09 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: what I am finding now days with tech, is that most of the stuff that is really popular, sucks really | Mar 09 09:49 |
| cubexyz | we had a tech show too, but it was on at 5 am | Mar 09 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | now days, more like I started to find this out years ago in 2004 | Mar 09 09:49 |
| cubexyz | they talked about Linux vs BSD | Mar 09 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: well BBC Click is on at 11:30am on Saturday mornings, and they have a shorter version that comes on in the night some time or whatever | Mar 09 09:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it's on BBC News channel, so has the like news head lines at the bottom which sucks, if watching it live | Mar 09 09:50 |
| cubexyz | we had bites and bytes back in the 80's | Mar 09 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | so I tend to watch it on our catch up TV :) and if it's not there online on the BBC Iplayer | Mar 09 09:50 |
| cubexyz | sebsebseb, so available for download? | Mar 09 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: let's take browsers uhmm from what I have seen of Firefox 4, I am not 100% sure about it's direction | Mar 09 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | it seems ok, but | Mar 09 09:50 |
| sebsebseb | I coudn't add a reload button it seems | Mar 09 09:50 |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: i have some issues with my motorola droid, it does get slow at times, but so does my palm pre, & so did my blackberry, they are all under powered, over app'ed & have too weak of a battery | Mar 09 09:51 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: and well I love Firefox, but I am not quite sure what they been doing the last year or so with FIrefox 4 in development from what I seen of it | Mar 09 09:51 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: well Iplayer is UK only, you can watch webscape the website reviews and such from outside UK though, and I think a clip on the click site | Mar 09 09:51 |
| cubexyz | hmm | Mar 09 09:52 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: ,but sure I guess some where, there would be torrents of it, that aren't legal for example | Mar 09 09:52 |
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| sebsebseb | cubexyz: maybe you can watch on the site in USA, but no probably not | Mar 09 09:52 |
| sebsebseb | anyway there are ways round the country stuff and sites, but not meant to do that really | Mar 09 09:52 |
| cubexyz | I'm Canada, it's part of the Commonwealth :-0 | Mar 09 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: well you can try watching online on the Iplayer, but as far as I know UK only | Mar 09 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | and no the clip would show on the main bbc click site not the show | Mar 09 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: anyway I found out recently, that they are appearing on the site, for a year now :) | Mar 09 09:53 |
| sebsebseb | or for a while even | Mar 09 09:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #zdnet "#Microsoft to allow Eclipse, Mozilla licences for WP7 apps" with comments from @karsten http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fs !fsfe | Mar 09 09:55 | |
| cubexyz | I'd download Bits and Bytes just for the historical info | Mar 09 09:55 |
| sebsebseb | I said USA earlier, forgetting your in Canada | Mar 09 09:56 |
| sebsebseb | ah well | Mar 09 09:56 |
| sebsebseb | still North America | Mar 09 09:56 |
| cubexyz | when did it start? | Mar 09 09:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fsfe | Mar 09 09:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh the most useless thing ever conceived after the Ogino-Knaus method | Mar 09 09:56 | |
| cubexyz | oh wow, over 500 episodes | Mar 09 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | what of Click? | Mar 09 09:57 |
| cubexyz | yes | Mar 09 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | that show been around since uhmm not sure exactly I think 2001 or something | Mar 09 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | ,but sadly | Mar 09 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | I | Mar 09 09:57 |
| sebsebseb | didn't start watching it untill 2008 I think it was or 2009 | Mar 09 09:57 |
| abeNd-org | guess you can get iplayer in NA with a proxy... meh http://hubpages.com/hub/BBC-iPlayer-USA | Mar 09 09:58 |
| cubexyz | well I'll check the site anyway | Mar 09 09:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @brionv: Farewell, old friend Shuttle... we'll miss you! http://leuksman.com/log/2011/03/09/fare-well-old-friend-shuttle/ | Mar 09 09:58 | |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: the episodes that are over a year old, are gone as far as I know | Mar 09 09:58 |
| sebsebseb | no way to legally download them, as far as I know | Mar 09 09:58 |
| cubexyz | watching the vids no prob | Mar 09 09:59 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: you can see the short video on the click site probably no problem from outside UK | Mar 09 09:59 |
| sebsebseb | and | Mar 09 09:59 |
| sebsebseb | webscape | Mar 09 09:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not the actsaul click episode as far as I know | Mar 09 09:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @karsten: Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 < great stuff | Mar 09 10:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Unigine OilRush Barely Does 800 Sales To Date: While OilRush is the first Linux game using the Unigine Engine an... http://bit.ly/fWZmoT | Mar 09 10:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh I am old enough to have actually used mechanical typewriters - that's how I am on a 10-fingers blind typing. #annoying | Mar 09 10:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya, Gaddafi's son's house in London festooned with protest banners police are relaxed about it. Well of course they are. | Mar 09 10:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ntouk @hadleybeeman: Reminder: Public Data Corporation consultation responses due FRIDAY! need thoughts & insights http://bit.ly/f4lIZE | Mar 09 10:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Heading of to the !BUSC board meeting. | Mar 09 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh actually I started with a QZERTY typewriter (Olivetti Valentine, by E. Sottssass, a masterpiece of style). Wicked! | Mar 09 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @karsten: Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fsfe | Mar 09 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] finished up the QAIModel for libtaskmanager finally today; also practiced weighing veggies at the market. not quite used to that yet. | Mar 09 10:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Sorry it's Sottsass, obviously. Read on http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivetti_Valentine (ITA) | Mar 09 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Princes to start protecting our oceans - http://bit.ly/f83XNN amazing what a few emails can do #hacktivism #fishing #sustainability | Mar 09 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: Tell the New York Times to Apologize for Blaming a Child for Her Gang Rape | http://bit.ly/h4R4dB | Mar 09 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Torontonamo: #G20 SIU reopens another G20 case - CityNews http://bit.ly/fvbykC | Mar 09 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/every-hp-pc-shipped-next-year-will-have-webos/22928 Great !WebOS !Linux news :) | Mar 09 10:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @kirschner well written article; great that we have people educating/reminding policy makers about these issues. | Mar 09 10:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: Gaddaffi they're trying 2 steal our oil! No U mad fuck the noflyzone is 2 rstrct on U killing ur own ppl.http://bit.ly/e6xp9m | Mar 09 10:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The thought of #orcas in captivity for entertainment angers me. Please don't take your children to such shows. keepwhaleswild.org | Mar 09 10:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @themadhatter: RT @alexhundert: Tell the New York Times to Apologize for Blaming a Child for Her Gang Rape | http://bit.ly/h4R4dB | Mar 09 10:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] :) #HP http://identi.ca/notice/66563406 | Mar 09 10:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Oh Oh, There's something rotten in the reign of Finland... http://ur1.ca/3fauw | Mar 09 10:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Warren Buffett's China car deal could backfire http://is.gd/jdYe5G !wl | Mar 09 10:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Leaked cables suggest US doubted Mexico prosecutor http://is.gd/VKVD15 !wl | Mar 09 10:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya Cameron and Sarkozy Re UN sing a nice duo of "so macho, gonna be so macho" #contempt | Mar 09 10:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Karimov Played U.S. Off Against Russia http://alturl.com/x2udz !wl | Mar 09 10:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] I AM THE DOCTOR http://ur1.ca/3fvki !miotd | Mar 09 10:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Al Jazeera, I love them and only channel I watch the adverts as they will never affect me :-) | Mar 09 10:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy !wl | Mar 09 10:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Folks, Radeon HD 3650 AGP on Linux ? How does it behave ? Good ? Bad ? Avoid like the plague ? Any hint or tip is welcome. Thanks in advance | Mar 09 10:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Fabien Tassin: !Chromium 10 in !Ubuntu http://goo.gl/PGBNZ | Mar 09 10:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Kudos to @flat_world teaming up with @ohiohighered to provide 1000 free CC-licensed textbooks to Ohio students - http://goo.gl/Se1k9 | Mar 09 10:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @zwyback #Samsung's new tablet a thin little thing - http://b1t.it/cl7 !android | Mar 09 10:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] What the world could be if idiots didn't run it (I wish I could move here) http://ur1.ca/3fvun | Mar 09 10:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The oldest space shuttle named discovery is retired. How many of its payloads were pointless military wankfests? | Mar 09 10:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Adwaita 3.0 (the !GNOME 3 default theme) coolness http://goo.gl/6cOnb | Mar 09 11:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] In these dire times for public media, why is #NPR shooting itself in the foot? http://ur1.ca/3fvvt | Mar 09 11:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] What happens to shipping containers lost at sea? http://ur1.ca/3fvxa | Mar 09 11:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Switzerland an interesting example of Napoleonic law, some (maybe most) better than I thought. | Mar 09 11:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Edubuntu WebLive Hits 15 000 Sessions http://goo.gl/CwYBD | Mar 09 11:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Karimov Played U.S. Off Against Russia http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63033 http://bit.ly/eNtyUg | Mar 09 11:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy http://bit.ly/gXByHv | Mar 09 11:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NPR: Help us figure out which Senator killed Whistleblower Protection http://ur1.ca/3fvyt | Mar 09 11:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Activists seize Saif Gadaffi's London mansion http://ur1.ca/3fvze | Mar 09 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya , What I have really reacted to against to the west's response is propaganda and hypocrisy. Believable? | Mar 09 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Wisconsin capitol bans recording, flags, reading, balloons, chairs, bags, backpacks, photography, etc etc etc http://ur1.ca/3fvzj | Mar 09 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Now playing #Nasum - Human 2.0. It's so on it's not even funny. My feett might tap holes on the floor. #grindcore | Mar 09 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Now playing #Nasum - Human 2.0. It's so on it's not even funny. My feet might tap holes on the floor. #grindcore | Mar 09 11:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] This is one of the worst obstructions of justice I have ever read about pertaining to the legal system http://ur1.ca/3fw31 #fuckyou | Mar 09 11:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @dfrios: SVG Editor online: http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/editor/svg-editor.html - #Inkscape #svg | Mar 09 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @allsystemsarego: #CLI apps, aggregated by topic and ranked http://cli-apps.org/index.php?xsortmode=high #Linux | Mar 09 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @michelenlared: RD @rivenathos New #Linux screenshots forum - http://is.gd/OamF5m #debian #mint #ubuntu | Mar 09 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ovidiusoft: RT @novitro: #peblog: Cateva notiuni despre autentificarea cu doi factori http://bit.ly/dOLy0x | Mar 09 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @alina_mierlus: RT @mozpub: [Edinburgh] Some Mozillians including @cyberdees with be @techmeetup tonight. Come share beers and pizza! | Mar 09 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetfedora: Jared Smith: One day remaining for #Fedora 16 name suggestions! http://bit.ly/fI5UKw | Mar 09 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @zwyback: #Foursquare 3.0 brings a world of new check-ins for customers, businesses - http://b1t.it/cl6 #android | Mar 09 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh If I can find an old typewriter with the keys I need for writing code, I'll try to convert it to USB (but not by using that method) | Mar 09 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @michelenlared: RD @toros Fabien Tassin: #Chromium 10 in #Ubuntu http://goo.gl/PGBNZ | Mar 09 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Kinect Confirmed As Fastest-Selling Consumer Electronics Device - http://bit.ly/i2qMZ4 fascinating #microsoft | Mar 09 11:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy http://bit.ly/gXByHv | Mar 09 11:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] 2011 British Met weather centre are still quoting snow fall in inches #BBCyouaremoreshitthantheworldknows | Mar 09 11:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (Now With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) http://bit.ly/haXnuB | Mar 09 11:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] An alternative to pharmaceutical #patents - http://bit.ly/fbiKaD excellent analysis, practical proposal #drugs #pharma | Mar 09 11:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I do not smoke but when industry bodies say you are smoking counterfeit brands with poisonous affects how do you check? | Mar 09 11:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 217 dents! | Mar 09 11:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Hunt saboteur Joe Hashman wins landmark ruling - http://bit.ly/fOzNqV "campaigner's beliefs are akin to religion under UK employment law" | Mar 09 11:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The 'Stolen' Scream: Photographer Discovers His Image Is Everywhere... And Embraces It - http://bit.ly/e06m1c a tale with a moral #sharing | Mar 09 11:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Democrația necesită Software Liber http://is.gd/NDT54y #romania #software #fsfe | Mar 09 11:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] …lasting change does not happen until we unite behind what we want—not just against what we do not.—G.Monbiot http://ur1.ca/3fwig !q | Mar 09 11:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) http://goo.gl/foorb | Mar 09 12:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @openSUSE: Planet #openSUSE: Manu Gupta: openSUSE 11.3 http://bit.ly/fsqtTy | Mar 09 12:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @NeelieKroesEU: @digiphile: Gov 2.0 and open government take root in India [@HuffingtonPost] http://huff.to/hu6Luf #gov20 #opengov #gov2in | Mar 09 12:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wednesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/432490/rss | Mar 09 12:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 #fsfe (via @kgerloff ) | Mar 09 12:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RomaniaBizNews: #Google a lansat #Chrome 10 - http://blitzclick.ro/yJg3 #web #software | Mar 09 12:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @meegoexperts: Intellowares thoughts on #QML and #Qt Development for #MeeGo http://mge.bz/5F #Intel #Linux #Nokia | Mar 09 12:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: An alternative to pharmaceutical #patents - http://bit.ly/fbiKaD excellent analysis, practical proposal #drugs #pharma | Mar 09 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The religious #rightwing is wrong: #USA's #religion isn't #Christianity, it's #freemarket #capitalism. | Mar 09 12:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Ubuntu Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release http://is.gd/eDgrs7 #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Mar 09 12:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrights | Mar 09 12:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrights via @am | Mar 09 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @satipera: USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrights via @am | Mar 09 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] CentOS 5.6 expected for Monday, March 14th http://is.gd/76KOZD #centos #centos5 #gnu #linux #redhat #fedora #software | Mar 09 12:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Judge eviscerates #P2P lawyer: "I accepted you at your word" - http://bit.ly/hkRGFR what a fab slap-down #copyright | Mar 09 12:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] NYT and "torture": Searching for a justification - http://bit.ly/eAVvWJ nailing the NYT's pusillanimous double standards #torture | Mar 09 12:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: Judge eviscerates #P2P lawyer: "I accepted you at your word" - http://bit.ly/hkRGFR what a fab slap-down #copyright | Mar 09 12:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Breaking news from the west "You had better watch yourself everybody, we will do what we want when we want, but the law applies to you" #law | Mar 09 12:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Ada Initiative kicks off census http://lwn.net/Articles/432529/rss | Mar 09 12:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @EDRi_org: EDRi-gram 9.5: French decree establishes what data must be retained by hosting providers http://bit.ly/fWMd3H | Mar 09 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @EDRi_org: EDRi-gram 9.5: #SWIFT agreement implementation not respecting data protection safeguards http://bit.ly/fjo5Fj | Mar 09 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @encyclomundi @GreySkyThinking: Sometimes it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. That's energy saving bulbs for you | Mar 09 12:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: OpenLogic Research Finds Mobile Apps Fail to Comply with OSS Licenses http://bit.ly/fdyvIG #linux #gnu #mobile #openlogic | Mar 09 12:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @psquid: I regularly suffer memory leaks. Or as I call them, "dents". | Mar 09 12:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back from !BUSC board meeting, Looks like we are generally in good shape for #Taming. :D | Mar 09 13:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DOING | Mar 09 13:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] #nokmsft - Android looks almost ready on n900. Too bad that I will never be able to run WP7 on it. Hmm. | Mar 09 13:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @psquid To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DO ... | Mar 09 13:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat 'virtualizes' data with new JBoss ESB (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/hNLp6X | Mar 09 13:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @psquid To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DO ... | Mar 09 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] AWESOME!!! "She Don't Like Firefly" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-yHSaP0Dyg | Mar 09 13:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @mairin @colby_hoke @robdelaney: NPR head resigns after calling Tea Party "racist" Tomorrow, NASA head to resign after calling space "big" | Mar 09 13:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I just took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011 | Mar 09 13:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] A genuinely extraordinary piece of sophistry by Elder Dallin H. Oaks http://ping.fm/oZBLI | Mar 09 13:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra F16 codename clearly has to be "Fighting Falcon" http://outl.ws/eHy2qg | Mar 09 13:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Sorry, heybuddy foiled me there.... oo | Mar 09 13:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Data Says #Money Might Buy #Happiness, But Happiness Might Not Be What You Want - http://bit.ly/fl0z0g deep & subtle point | Mar 09 13:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh don't blame the buddy ;) apologies are unnecessary | Mar 09 13:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra LOL ;) | Mar 09 13:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yay! My @MyMCServ server is ready! #Minecraft | Mar 09 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @DivaDanese: Known problem (slowness loading some #wikipedia pages) in parts of Europe today. Team already working on the issue #wikimedia | Mar 09 13:20 | |
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| Daemonfc | jono: The Ubuntu Natty security certificate signing system is having a bad day | Mar 09 13:26 |
| Daemonfc | what have you been feeding it? :) | Mar 09 13:26 |
| Daemonfc | also, I've ran into two KDE 4.6.1 bugs that are particularly annoying, though they are upstream bugs | Mar 09 13:27 |
| Daemonfc | they must be or they wouldn't happen in every KDE distribution | Mar 09 13:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Last time, I visited Cairo, I went to the pyramids. This time, my host is offering to take me to Tahrir Square. | Mar 09 13:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Wiki Wednesday: March 9, 2011 http://mzl.la/ie1IJG | Mar 09 13:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup http://goo.gl/z7jsh | Mar 09 13:30 | |
| oiaohm | HP just announce WebOS on every computer they ship. | Mar 09 13:32 |
| oiaohm | So this will mean lot more Linux friendly hardware out there. | Mar 09 13:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @tdfischer: All hail the @beefymiracle! #Fedora | Mar 09 13:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: Only one day left of F16 name proposals before I MOVE ONWARD. The mustard indicates progress! http://ur1.ca/3fwhr | Mar 09 13:33 | |
| MinceR | will they ship them without m$ tax, at least optionally? | Mar 09 13:33 |
| Daemonfc | yeah, I noticed the Treacherous Computing support in Linux 2.6.38 | Mar 09 13:33 |
| Daemonfc | Trusted Execution | Mar 09 13:33 |
| Daemonfc | Integrity Management Infrastructure | Mar 09 13:33 |
| Daemonfc | letting the TPM generate binary blob crypto keys and spitting them out to userspace programs | Mar 09 13:34 |
| Daemonfc | fun times | Mar 09 13:34 |
| Daemonfc | once that starts getting flipped on in the name of security, it means you have no idea what your computer is up to | Mar 09 13:35 |
| Daemonfc | the TPM is a black box by design | Mar 09 13:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] congrats to #Spurs, #ChampionsLeague win tonight !football, doubt any other club would want to draw Spurs, they surprised more than a few | Mar 09 13:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @guardiantech: Space shuttle Discovery landing marks beginning of the end http://bit.ly/hr883E | Mar 09 13:35 | |
| MinceR | can't you just blacklist its modules? | Mar 09 13:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Chernobyl, My Primeval, Teeming, Irradiated Eden - http://bit.ly/emUWp3 wonderfully evocative journalism (v @wickwox) #evolution | Mar 09 13:36 | |
| Daemonfc | you can build the kernel without them and your TPM will be functionless | Mar 09 13:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Yes you can blacklist modules. | Mar 09 13:37 |
| MinceR | Daemonfc: just the way i like it | Mar 09 13:37 |
| oiaohm | But TPM is built as a core kernel part. | Mar 09 13:37 |
| Daemonfc | but it's obviously to turn Chrome OS and WebOS into systems with no user control | Mar 09 13:37 |
| MinceR | of course i like my PC TPMless | Mar 09 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Also TPM can be working from bios down. | Mar 09 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Ie TPM can result in bios not loading the bootloader. | Mar 09 13:38 |
| Daemonfc | that's where WebOS and Chrome OS are going, using TPM modules in the Linux kernel to enslave the user | Mar 09 13:38 |
| MinceR | i thought that was optional | Mar 09 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Then the bootloader not loading the kernel you want. | Mar 09 13:38 |
| Daemonfc | not if it's 1. Baked into your EFI (WebOS) | Mar 09 13:38 |
| MinceR | and that the usual idea was to just checksum whatever you load as long as they trust it | Mar 09 13:38 |
| Daemonfc | or 2. Won't boot without it (Chrome OS) | Mar 09 13:38 |
| oiaohm | TPM is a double sided sword. | Mar 09 13:39 |
| MinceR | not sure about that, their demo netbook had a switch to let you put any firmware on it | Mar 09 13:39 |
| Daemonfc | what good is having Chromium OS source if the TPM in everything Chrome OS is sold in won't let the user modify anything anyway? | Mar 09 13:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I have decided to stop moaning about Fedora release names and implement my own fighter jet related naming scheme for the distro from now on. | Mar 09 13:40 | |
| oiaohm | Google Chrome OS machines have a TPM boot lock off switch. | Mar 09 13:40 |
| oiaohm | With the TPM on tampering is very hard. | Mar 09 13:41 |
| Daemonfc | it's security, from you the user | Mar 09 13:41 |
| Daemonfc | the guy who bought the fucking device | Mar 09 13:41 |
| Daemonfc | and (theoretically) owns it | Mar 09 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Chrome OS case where the device has switch on and off. | Mar 09 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Its not from the user. | Mar 09 13:41 |
| *Daemonfc is now known as DaemonFC | Mar 09 13:42 | |
| oiaohm | Since while the boot lock is off you can change the TPM settings. | Mar 09 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | whoops | Mar 09 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 09 13:42 |
| oiaohm | User with direct access to the machine can mess with it under that system. | Mar 09 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | this open source video driver stack is so fragile that it either works great or fails completely | Mar 09 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | depending on whatever way the wind is blowing | Mar 09 13:43 |
| oiaohm | But remote user is shot while its on. | Mar 09 13:43 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Its getting less fragile | Mar 09 13:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I'm soon gonna switch to F15 Eagle Alpha. I will miss Tomcat, it was a great release! | Mar 09 13:43 | |
| DaemonFC | it fails if you use Transparent Huge Pages | Mar 09 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | it fails if you remove the Big Kernel Lock | Mar 09 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | it gets angry if you use a preemptive kernel | Mar 09 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | and it decides to disable color tiling at random depending on what 2.6.38 rc you are using | Mar 09 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 13:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: That's what F14 was called. I certainly like it, but i came back having last tried F10 - the leap was amazing | Mar 09 13:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @frostbite: Tried out ubuntu 11.04 a3=not accessible | Mar 09 13:45 | |
| oiaohm | Transparent Huge Pages ok that is understandable new ish feature driver bugs might be found. | Mar 09 13:45 |
| MinceR | strange | Mar 09 13:45 |
| MinceR | preemptible kernel isn't exactly new :> | Mar 09 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | Unity is obviously a cheap Mac OS ripoff | Mar 09 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | for people with reading disorders I guess since everything is an icon now | Mar 09 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Big Kernel Lock Nothing newish should be depending on it. | Mar 09 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX falls down, goes boom without it | Mar 09 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | but there's unofficial patches to the glue layer that fix that | Mar 09 13:46 |
| oiaohm | The unofficial patches create a new lock that is FGLRX only. | Mar 09 13:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX only seems to depend on BKL in one or two places, AMD could probably use spinlocks there | Mar 09 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | since that's what the unofficial patch does | Mar 09 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Exactly there is no techical reason for FGLRX to be using BKL in the first place. | Mar 09 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | i.e, it's like ReiserFS de-BKLification | Mar 09 13:47 |
| oiaohm | It was miss use. | Mar 09 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't work better, but it won't explode | Mar 09 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 13:47 |
| oiaohm | There was tones and Tones of Miss use. | Mar 09 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe Ubuntu even lets you install to ReiserFS anymore | Mar 09 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | what year is this? | Mar 09 13:48 |
| oiaohm | So almost the last one is FGLRX itself | Mar 09 13:48 |
| oiaohm | ReiserFS is still maintained. | Mar 09 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | poorly | Mar 09 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | only enough to avoid build failures and to make sure it won't break | Mar 09 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's not getting new features, it's not getting faster | Mar 09 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, it hasn't been touched since the BKL removal that made it actually slower | Mar 09 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | in 2.6.33? | Mar 09 13:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: I think F10 was the first Linux I tried and the lack of codec support confused me back then :) | Mar 09 13:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #illinois great news. They have banned the death sentence and joined civilisation #notretribution | Mar 09 13:50 | |
| DaemonFC | Hans Reiser's claims of being faster than Ext3 were dubious and ReiserFS is a nightmare to recover anything from if the file system becomes corrupt | Mar 09 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's time to just disable the option for new installs | Mar 09 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | save the newbies from themselves | Mar 09 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | JFS and ReiserFS, nobody should be using them | Mar 09 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | at all | Mar 09 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | they're old, barely maintained, are slow, have lots of documented problems, and don't get along with SELinux, Tomoyo, or Smack | Mar 09 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 13:51 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Mine you is it transpartent huge pages or is it memory defraging. | Mar 09 13:52 |
| MinceR | yes, also disable the option to choose what should happen when you close the lid of the laptop | Mar 09 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | your system should fail to sleep and turn into the EZ Bake Laptop of course | Mar 09 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | (Mac) | Mar 09 13:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 13:52 |
| MinceR | they're pretty close to that even if they're open, afaik | Mar 09 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | yes, and they still never fixed the discoloration problem either | Mar 09 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | that pretty finishing wears down and the case starts yellowing | Mar 09 13:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] you have to wonder at the world we're now living in sometimes http://tighturl.com/2zsg football car sticker c********d | Mar 09 13:53 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Really you stated why Ubuntu has it. | Mar 09 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's been a problem on their systems since PowerPC was still around | Mar 09 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu does not have THP | Mar 09 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | it is disabled in their Kconfig | Mar 09 13:54 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: ReiserFS and apparmor works | Mar 09 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | yes because AppArmor doesn't need to label the file system | Mar 09 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | XFS works with all MAC implementations in the kernel | Mar 09 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Tomoyo does not need labels either. | Mar 09 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | as do Ext2, 3, and 4 | Mar 09 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Tomoyo tech is what made Apparmor partly work. | Mar 09 13:55 |
| DaemonFC | CrappArmor is there the let malicious stuff happen while the user is busy dealing with the problems it is causing | Mar 09 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | the DBUS failure to load hilarity | Mar 09 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox not being able to download files or access the GTK+ theming engine | Mar 09 13:56 |
| DaemonFC | if it's so easy, why does Ubuntu misconfigure it? | Mar 09 13:56 |
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| MinceR | apparmor is pathname-based, isn't it? weren't there issues with that? or it was the other way around? | Mar 09 13:56 |
| MinceR | http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090323080940/http://www.appledefects.com/?p=15 | Mar 09 13:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Yes there were path based issues. | Mar 09 13:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Tomoyo designed a new system for handling path based that is solid. | Mar 09 13:59 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 09 13:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: And apparmor got migrated to that. | Mar 09 13:59 |
| MinceR | what did they do? | Mar 09 13:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Add means to solve to raw device holding the file. | Mar 09 13:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] printf style debugging of any program (even proprietary) as long as you have .h http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2011/03/09/ann-liblogger/ | Mar 09 14:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Myths and patent reform | http://bit.ly/ffddWw #innovation | Mar 09 14:00 | |
| oiaohm | Prior to Tomoyo the VFS was a universal mask of I don't have a clue where that file is coming from. | Mar 09 14:00 |
| MinceR | i think i understand | Mar 09 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Yes VFS had to know the raw device that was holding the file. | Mar 09 14:01 |
| oiaohm | But it was telling no one. | Mar 09 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | SELinux never had this problem because it doesn't ask the VFS what's going on | Mar 09 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 14:02 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: SELinux did have this problem early on. | Mar 09 14:03 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: why they went labels. | Mar 09 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie labels are a hack that works around the issue. | Mar 09 14:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] There's a special place in hell for web designers/devs who put hovering toolbars across the bottom of websites. | Mar 09 14:05 | |
| oiaohm | One of the things Tomoyo does different to Apparmor is hardlinks are forbin unless approved by Tomoyo. | Mar 09 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | I have to ask, but why does Ubuntu need to apply 11 MB of patches to the kernel? | Mar 09 14:05 |
| oiaohm | And that is due to a limtiation. | Mar 09 14:05 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: 11 MB of patches I really don't know why. | Mar 09 14:06 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Do you have a patch list contianed. | Mar 09 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | no, they release it as one giant blob | Mar 09 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | without breaking out any of them | Mar 09 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | very little commenting on what's going on | Mar 09 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | or why they need to change anything | Mar 09 14:07 |
| MinceR | sounds a lot like what a certain other distro started doing recently :> | Mar 09 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Say N here unless you're an XFS developer, or play one on TV" | Mar 09 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 09 14:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Me too! ♺ @jledbetter: I just took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011 | Mar 09 14:15 | |
| DaemonFC | I always exclude staging drivers | Mar 09 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of which, hv is still there | Mar 09 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR's favorite | Mar 09 14:15 |
| MinceR | hype-v? | Mar 09 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 09 14:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft and Novell keep it just fixed up enough to continue on in the staging tree | Mar 09 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | they don't want anyone to actually be able to use it without paying them | Mar 09 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | so it always has bugs | Mar 09 14:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 14:16 |
| MinceR | does anyone have hype-v without paying them? | Mar 09 14:16 |
| MinceR | i mean, legally | Mar 09 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | on the Windows side, you pay for Windows, obviously | Mar 09 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | they don't want a non-Novell Linux supporting it and people using the Linux guest support for free | Mar 09 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Novell has a hacked up verson of KVM that can use hyper-v drivers. | Mar 09 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft gets you on the way in, Novell gets you on the way out | Mar 09 14:17 |
| oiaohm | But really its pointless since most KVM native drivers for Windows are better performing. | Mar 09 14:17 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 14:17 |
| MinceR | aren't there untainted virtio drivers for KVM anyway? | Mar 09 14:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Trying out #xfce on my home workstation | Mar 09 14:18 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft sells the problem then Novell says they have the cure | Mar 09 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | blessed binaries and patent licenses = "Interop" | Mar 09 14:19 |
| MinceR | you can buy problems that enable you to buy even more problems | Mar 09 14:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Install your !statusnet server ♺ @micu: Revolution failed: !Facebook not available in #Egypt: http://is.gd/R438hC !FSFE !FOSS !FLOSS !FS | Mar 09 14:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL ♺ @yamanickill: I won't tell anyone that minecraft.net is back up.... !lo | Mar 09 14:31 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: a Mixed Source Environment | Mar 09 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | i.e., We don't care what you use as long as you pay us | Mar 09 14:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 14:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup http://bit.ly/goNUf4 | Mar 09 14:35 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR expects only the best in ISV support for his MSE, so he chooses the best IT solutions for his VM decisions. | Mar 09 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 09 14:36 |
| MinceR | i also roll dice on bullshit bingo cards | Mar 09 14:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US-Libya Relations: Surviving the Wikileaks Controversy? http://alturl.com/93fs9 !wl | Mar 09 14:36 | |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | I want to know why Microsoft WOULD buy more SuSE coupons | Mar 09 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | Novell is already bankrupt and begging to be sold on the cheap to some no name outfit | Mar 09 14:37 |
| MinceR | probably to keep novell sort of alive | Mar 09 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | who would buy a support contract from them? | Mar 09 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | 10 years? You may not even get 1 | Mar 09 14:37 |
| MinceR | the same kind of people who would buy m$ products | Mar 09 14:37 |
| MinceR | or assist nigerian royalty to move their money abroad | Mar 09 14:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @jfred99: What is software philosophy? Why does it matter? What is #free software? Here's some very clear answers http://is.gd/EqaEk2 | Mar 09 14:38 | |
| MinceR | or buy crApple products | Mar 09 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | I knew something was deeply wrong when I booted up OpenSuSE 10.3 and was greeting by an EXE file which had dlls included running in a .Net clone | Mar 09 14:38 |
| MinceR | or buy snake oil | Mar 09 14:38 |
| MinceR | or buy adobe products | Mar 09 14:38 |
| MinceR | etc. | Mar 09 14:38 |
| MinceR | well, that's what suse is about | Mar 09 14:39 |
| MinceR | promoting mono | Mar 09 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | why do they name them EXE and DLL? | Mar 09 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | does it matter what the extension is? | Mar 09 14:39 |
| MinceR | because when m$ designs a "portable" system they spread windowsisms all around | Mar 09 14:39 |
| MinceR | that's how your .net/mono binaries end up with PE headers | Mar 09 14:40 |
| MinceR | with stub code written for dos or winblows, maybe both | Mar 09 14:40 |
| MinceR | and some people don't see anything wrong with this, of course | Mar 09 14:40 |
| MinceR | because winblows is so great | Mar 09 14:40 |
| MinceR | especially dlls | Mar 09 14:40 |
| MinceR | (they couldn't even implement shared libraries properly...) | Mar 09 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they have the header "This program can not be run in MS-DOS mode" | Mar 09 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | on every Mono EXE | Mar 09 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 09 14:41 |
| MinceR | (if you're lucky, two processes _might_ share the same copy of the same dll in memory) | Mar 09 14:41 |
| cubexyz | dlls are used if you use wine | Mar 09 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | without both of them crashing you mean? | Mar 09 14:41 |
| MinceR | (and if something goes wrong in loading a dll, you'll never find out what it was) | Mar 09 14:41 |
| MinceR | no, they just play with memory addresses | Mar 09 14:41 |
| MinceR | because position-independent code is something that happens to other people | Mar 09 14:41 |
| MinceR | so if you aren't lucky, those addresses are already used by some other module of your executable | Mar 09 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | In the Windows world, it's OK to have 12 different versions of the same dll to hide the fact that binary software has dependency issues | Mar 09 14:42 |
| MinceR | that too | Mar 09 14:42 |
| MinceR | it's also ok to name them the exact same thing | Mar 09 14:42 |
| MinceR | which consists of 6 random letters and 2 random numbers, with ".dll" tacked on at the end | Mar 09 14:43 |
| MinceR | and sometimes stuff is loaded by addresses hardcoded into the .exe, it seems | Mar 09 14:43 |
| MinceR | basically if you want to know how to implement something the least sane way, you can look at how m$ did something | Mar 09 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | VBRUN600.DLL NOT FOUND! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! We must go back to 1998 and find a copy! :-) | Mar 09 14:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 14:44 |
| MinceR | you can go try 12 copies and maybe one of them won't crash your application | Mar 09 14:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How could #copyright infringement possibly deter visitors to a country? http://ow.ly/4bfJo I'm confused | Mar 09 14:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Windows Answer = Install every version of every DLL on the Windows 7 DVD then find reasons to excuse the lack of space for drivers. | Mar 09 14:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | PRO TIP: You get to go on a hunt for more later!' | Mar 09 14:45 |
| cubexyz | a lot of Loki stuff won't run easily on a modern distro | Mar 09 14:45 |
| MinceR | nonfree crap breaks easily | Mar 09 14:46 |
| cubexyz | true | Mar 09 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's because it's binary/proprietary cannot be updated and built against new libraries | Mar 09 14:46 |
| MinceR | but at least the name of the shared objects actually means something | Mar 09 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | same problem Windows has with EVERYTHING | Mar 09 14:46 |
| MinceR | like the major version being the version of the interface | Mar 09 14:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Example of anti-semitic attacks on WikiLeaks http://alturl.com/k5hti !wl | Mar 09 14:46 | |
| MinceR | and it tends to be the only thing that matters as far as actually being able to load and use the .so goes | Mar 09 14:47 |
| MinceR | (if arch is correct, of course) | Mar 09 14:47 |
| cubexyz | thank goodness for LFS and coreboot ;-) | Mar 09 14:47 |
| cubexyz | ok, I know, too hard-core | Mar 09 14:47 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora still provides (optional) compatibility versions of old glibc and such | Mar 09 14:48 |
| MinceR | that's nice of them | Mar 09 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | including their broken "2.96" release | Mar 09 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | from Red Hat 7 | Mar 09 14:48 |
| MinceR | certain other distros don't seem to care | Mar 09 14:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bonnshakespeare: The cast for #TamingOfTheShrew is now official: http://busc.de #busc | Mar 09 14:48 | |
| cubexyz | too bad loki couldn't or wouldn't open source their games | Mar 09 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat had their arguments for calling it GCC 2.96 and releasing it | Mar 09 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | the problem was the Linux kernel code was so bad that almost everything broke when fed to a standards compliant compiler | Mar 09 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | at that time | Mar 09 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | so they ended up having to ship a second gcc dubbed, kgcc to build the kernel | Mar 09 14:49 |
| cubexyz | that's kind of why I have so many Linux boxes with different versions | Mar 09 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 14:49 |
| MinceR | yet RH7 was a breath of fresh air after winblows | Mar 09 14:50 |
| cubexyz | you could go back further than that | Mar 09 14:50 |
| cubexyz | what was big in 1995? | Mar 09 14:50 |
| MinceR | that's what i started on, though | Mar 09 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | I remember grabbing Linux 2.6.0 and building it for Mandrake | Mar 09 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't feel like waiting | Mar 09 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | Mandrake was a few months away from another release and I was sick of 2.4 and its damned lag | Mar 09 14:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] OTVArabic - Wikileaks Episode 1 http://alturl.com/oeoco !wl | Mar 09 14:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bonnshakespeare: If you ever wanted to learn how to direct a stage play, join us this weekend. More info: http://busc.de | Mar 09 14:51 | |
| cubexyz | I played around with BeOS in 1997 | Mar 09 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | there were various low latency patches floating around for Linux 2.4 that helped | Mar 09 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | but it was still quite bad | Mar 09 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | the solution to the problem is of course, to not discuss the problem | Mar 09 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | what problem? there is no problem! | Mar 09 14:53 |
| cubexyz | I guess Yggdrasil topped out in 1995 | Mar 09 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | then after 2.6 was out, they started to say "Hey use 2.6, 2.4 has LAAAAAG!" | Mar 09 14:53 |
| cubexyz | and Redhat started what, 1994 or so | Mar 09 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | 1993 | Mar 09 14:53 |
| cubexyz | ah ok | Mar 09 14:53 |
| cubexyz | wikipedia says Red Hat 1.0 in Nov 1994 | Mar 09 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | they had pre-1.0 iirc | Mar 09 14:55 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: probably that's when people started to have something to compare the lag to | Mar 09 14:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | they had betas out in May | Mar 09 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | for a long time their answer to KDE was to just ignore it | Mar 09 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | then they started supporting it, badly | Mar 09 14:56 |
| cubexyz | so what was the first redhat with KDE? | Mar 09 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | breaking it to be as dumbed down as GNOME | Mar 09 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | I think Red Hat 7 had it | Mar 09 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | and the "BlueCurve" theme | Mar 09 14:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: ACS:LAW on BBC 1 - Thursday 10th March @ 7pm http://tinyurl.com/6yu57vs !piracy !tpb !acslaw !bbc !bittorrent !torrent | Mar 09 14:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL. | Mar 09 14:56 | |
| DaemonFC | no wait, it was 8 that had BlueCurve, I remember the bitching | Mar 09 14:57 |
| cubexyz | yeah I used 8 | Mar 09 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | they were dumbing it down to be like GNOME | Mar 09 14:57 |
| cubexyz | did it not have KDE? | Mar 09 14:57 |
| MinceR | RH7 did have KDE | Mar 09 14:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Steer clear of #Android Market and its #DRM http://ur1.ca/3fyjk !dbd http://www.defectivebydesign.org | Mar 09 14:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why does a repeat get rendered as "RT" in heybuddy? @jezra, fix that! ;) | Mar 09 14:58 | |
| DaemonFC | right, but 8 was BlueCurve | Mar 09 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | I remember one Red Hat employee quit over that | Mar 09 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | said he refused to help them break KDE | Mar 09 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | I really don't see what the big deal is | Mar 09 14:59 |
| MinceR | what was wrong with BlueCurve? | Mar 09 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's a theme, users can change themes they don't like | Mar 09 14:59 |
| MinceR | it seemed to look all right to me | Mar 09 14:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh send that bug to the client that posted the "RT". | Mar 09 15:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Identi.ca web. It's the API. | Mar 09 15:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Q: Why is free software important in the 21st century? A: Freedom! http://ur1.ca/3fyub (ogg video) | Mar 09 15:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh yes it is, and I don't like that "twitter-compatible" crap. | Mar 09 15:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Can't you change it in post? :P | Mar 09 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Example of anti-semitic attacks on WikiLeaks http://youtube.com/watch?v=BTFzMzBdew4 http://bit.ly/dSXv60 | Mar 09 15:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: OTVArabic - Wikileaks Episode 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=cNt0v6eeqRo http://bit.ly/fLFvrh | Mar 09 15:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh I could, but I certainly prefer to *not* edit was someone else's words, unless it is @methoddan announcing the netbook winner ;) | Mar 09 15:10 | |
| *cubexyz gives channel operator status to cubezzz | Mar 09 15:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Meh, fuck it. Sometimes you gotta roll the hard six. | Mar 09 15:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] So much still to do but I simply gotta sleep.... Catch you on the other side, folks! Oo | Mar 09 15:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh I'll take a natural 20 over the hard 6 anyday! | Mar 09 15:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh: no. I suffer from that in !elmdentica as well. !statusnet people not inclined to fix that bug, claim WONTFIX | Mar 09 15:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] I have a recycle status for that in !elmdentica ♻ @jezra: @fabsh yes it is, and I don't like that "twitter-compatible" crap. | Mar 09 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] We need a FLOSS toolkit for creating !Wikileaks copies. All tools needed to set up a secure site for anonymous data transfers in one package | Mar 09 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: Windows 7 app sales error? – Next Web gets corrected by developer http://tinyurl.com/6f6v4ht !wp7 !microsoft !windows7 !mvpbuzz | Mar 09 15:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Waterboarding is torture, but not when the U.S. does it http://ur1.ca/3fz9m | Mar 09 15:35 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 09 15:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Very cogent analysis of the fiasco: #NPR falls into the right's trap, twice http://ur1.ca/3fz8k | Mar 09 15:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #BBC staff tortured by pro-Gadaffi forces #Lybia http://tighturl.com/2zsn | Mar 09 15:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Canonical tips Oneiric Ocelot release amid !Ubuntu controversy http://ow.ly/4bhEj | Mar 09 15:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @karinlow: Dear Snow, You can stop falling now. Thanks, Me. | Mar 09 15:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rsandu: CentOS 5.6 expected for Monday, March 14th http://is.gd/76KOZD #centos #centos5 #gnu #linux #redhat #fedora #software | Mar 09 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: U.S. officials pushed products deemed unsafe by China http://is.gd/h8ig5B !wl | Mar 09 16:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Arab Revolutions Through the WikiLeaks Lens | FP http://is.gd/wIH5xT !wl | Mar 09 16:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Cable identified 23 in Australia with Qaeda links http://is.gd/OY1o7p !wl | Mar 09 16:11 | |
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| Daemonfc | ok, I finally got Ubuntu's AppArmor and ureadahead patches to apply cleanly | Mar 09 16:14 |
| Daemonfc | victory is mine! | Mar 09 16:14 |
| Daemonfc | damn you jono why can't Canonical be more transparent? | Mar 09 16:14 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 09 16:14 |
| Daemonfc | "We applied this patch and that patch, no we're not telling you how to get ahold of them!" | Mar 09 16:15 |
| Daemonfc | you get a choice of pulling their entire git tree and trying to figure out what they did or getting a tarball with all of the patches applied and building it as-is, bugs and all | Mar 09 16:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks sheds light on Monitor Group work with Libyan security organization | Examiner http://is.gd/R8oSId !wl | Mar 09 16:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Progressives Lose When They Accept the Right's Framing: The #Market and #Inequality http://ur1.ca/3fzxi | Mar 09 16:16 | |
| oiaohm | Daemonfc: at least a redhat or Fedora will work out box with a stock kernel. | Mar 09 16:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @csoghoian: Law firm at center of HBGary/Chamber spying scandal holding privacy reception at DC Spy Museum tonight http://is.gd/1t3V9u | Mar 09 16:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: In the Commons chamber before votes tonight. It is uncommonly loud with chatter. | Mar 09 16:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @kennethlipp: Proposed: Women get death if they miscarry http://t.co/LPrCFHC @Emma_A War in US against #reproductiverights | Mar 09 16:25 | |
| Daemonfc | I've been trying to tweak my kernel to speed up the drm/radeon bits | Mar 09 16:25 |
| Daemonfc | I've had some success | Mar 09 16:25 |
| Daemonfc | I know glxgears is not a benchmark, but I went from 800 or so fps with stock Ubuntu to 4500 or so with latest video driver stuff / x.org | Mar 09 16:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @kennethlipp: @Emma_A Haha. Yes. We need a campaign #DeathtoOnanists #SaveaTadpole #JizzhasFeelingsToo | Mar 09 16:26 | |
| Daemonfc | now I get to use apt to beat Ubuntu's crappy kernel over the head and toss it in the wood chipper | Mar 09 16:28 |
| Daemonfc | no offense to jono | Mar 09 16:28 |
| Daemonfc | B-) | Mar 09 16:28 |
| jono | Daemonfc, you, offensive? never, pal :-) | Mar 09 16:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: “Clement Attlee is a modest man who has much to be modest about” - Winston Churchill #quote | Mar 09 16:28 | |
| Daemonfc | jono: With all the attention to detail, you'd think Ubuntu could pimp my Radeon for me | Mar 09 16:29 |
| Daemonfc | right? | Mar 09 16:29 |
| Daemonfc | jono: Ryan has a RadeonHD, he would like it to be faster than his 3dfx Voodoo 2 in Ubuntu, he is sad that he has to fix it himself. | Mar 09 16:33 |
| Daemonfc | the start of a use case? | Mar 09 16:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Anony_Ops: Don't Let TPP Become the Next ACTA: Contact Your Lawmakers and Demand Transparency!: http://bit.ly/iiHABk | Mar 09 16:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: RT @MikeElk: UNION LEADERS TO CALL EMERGENCY MEETING TO DISCUSS GENERAL STRIKE #wiunion | Mar 09 16:33 | |
| jono | Daemonfc, hehe | Mar 09 16:34 |
| Daemonfc | jono bought an Nvidia card and is currently smacking his head against the keyboard, jono knows that no matter what he does with it, it is the wrong course of action | Mar 09 16:35 |
| Daemonfc | poor hypothetical jono | Mar 09 16:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sergiorauber/@sergiorauber] RT @wikileaks2: WikiLeaks sheds light on Monitor Group work with Libyan security organization | Examiner http://is.gd/R8oSId !wl | Mar 09 16:35 | |
| Daemonfc | MinceR bought a system with Intel Extreme(ly bad) Graphics, or whatever they call those these days, he doesn't seem to mind that Intel has basically forked Mesa and bloated the X.org Server with a modesetting method that only they use, or that it is mostly just a step up from LLVMPIPE | Mar 09 16:37 |
| Daemonfc | MinceR is 1337 | Mar 09 16:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Mozilla launches Firefox 4.0 release candidate (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/hQuY1N | Mar 09 16:40 | |
| Daemonfc | jono: I raided Debian Multimedia and got the S3TC libraries | Mar 09 16:40 |
| Daemonfc | Sauerbraten perked up quite a lot | Mar 09 16:40 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 09 16:40 |
| Daemonfc | you have to be running pretty much the latest kernel and x.org/mesa stack or the stupid command stream checker won't allow it | Mar 09 16:41 |
| Daemonfc | I say stack because it's not one driver, it's something like 2 drivers and 3 components (X Server, libdrm, mesa/gallium) | Mar 09 16:42 |
| Daemonfc | it's starting to look like the planets have to be aligned for your video card to work | Mar 09 16:43 |
| Daemonfc | jono would probably describe it as a lot of full moons out there beaming bozo rays into everyone's brains | Mar 09 16:43 |
| Daemonfc | and I would say I have to agree with this assessment | Mar 09 16:44 |
| Daemonfc | jono: When do you figure Red Hat will be done writing Wayland so you can take it? | Mar 09 16:45 |
| Daemonfc | :D | Mar 09 16:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Conversation with PayPal Support regarding Wikileaks (recording) http://alturl.com/tjidk !wl | Mar 09 16:46 | |
| jono | lol | Mar 09 16:47 |
| Daemonfc | I'm excited for Ubuntu, they'll take Wayland and make it purple | Mar 09 16:48 |
| Daemonfc | these are exciting times | Mar 09 16:48 |
| Daemonfc | it can interface with your driver and compositing manager and totally render the window controls backwards | Mar 09 16:49 |
| Daemonfc | brilliant! | Mar 09 16:50 |
| Daemonfc | you can't get these results on X | Mar 09 16:50 |
| Daemonfc | I'd like to thank Phoronix for doubling the size of my ad block list | Mar 09 16:51 |
| Daemonfc | jesus | Mar 09 16:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @MaryKostakidis: Come to a big public rally at Sydney Town Hall 6pm 16 March in support of Assange and freedom of information !wl | Mar 09 16:51 | |
| Daemonfc | he runs benchmarks every day to note 1% +/- | Mar 09 16:52 |
| Daemonfc | and packs the page full of ads | Mar 09 16:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” http://ping.fm/F4Ryu | Mar 09 16:53 | |
| Daemonfc | he's all like "ZOMG! with sqlite and 7zip Linux 2.6.38 is 1% slower than 2.6.32, let's all just totally ignore that your RadeonHD is twice as fast, and I'll just not flip on all this neat performance related stuff new to .38!" | Mar 09 16:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] LWN.net Weekly Edition for March 10, 2011 http://lwn.net/Articles/430942/rss | Mar 09 16:56 | |
| Daemonfc | transparent huge page support and delayed logging make XFS a beast | Mar 09 16:58 |
| Daemonfc | B-) | Mar 09 16:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: Esoterica II – David e Golias http://goo.gl/3rxmg | Mar 09 17:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @magicbus: http://goo.gl/6g70k Safari/Mac OS X the first to be owned. Webkit (naturally) is blamed. | Mar 09 17:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @jackschofield: Safari/MacBook first to fall at #Pwn2Own 2011, by Ryan Naraine at ZD Net http://zd.net/g7flLB | Mar 09 17:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Thank the brave #WI state senators who fled the state to protect worker's rights. http://ur1.ca/3g1jv #CREDOMobile #solidarityWI | Mar 09 17:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ryanaraine: #Pwn2Own 2011: IE8 on Windows 7 hijacked with 3 vulnerabilities http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=8367 | Mar 09 17:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Don't let the Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your representative and demand transparency: https://eff.org/r.2z7 | Mar 09 17:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @eff Don't let the Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your representative and demand transparency: https://eff. ... | Mar 09 17:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ryanaraine chrome survives day 1 at #pwn2own. the contestants who signed up for chrome were no-shows. they'll try again tomorrow | Mar 09 17:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I wonder if this will work in a very humid area like Singapore? Would love to try it at the west coast park. http://vimeo.com/14168034 #fb | Mar 09 17:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Don't let Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your congress*n & demand transparency https://eff.org/r.2z7 | Mar 09 17:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Conversation w/ PayPal Support regarding !WikiLeaks (recording) > http://youtu.be/QIY9VnGSc08 [claims donations will not be kept by PayPal] | Mar 09 17:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @w3c Web Tracking and User Privacy: The Next Steps. http://ow.ly/1bH5Xt | Mar 09 17:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL. | Mar 09 17:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: China's top-secret SC-19 anti-satellite missile http://is.gd/kDOPBc !wl | Mar 09 18:21 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Wow, Roy's been gone for quite awhile | Mar 09 18:24 |
| Daemonfc | ryan@ryan-MS-7501:~/$ glxinfo | grep Gallium | Mar 09 18:25 |
| Daemonfc | OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOOD | Mar 09 18:25 |
| Daemonfc | ryan@ryan-MS-7501:~/$ uname -a | Mar 09 18:26 |
| Daemonfc | Linux ryan-MS-7501 2.6.38-rc8-ryan1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Mar 9 18:40:14 EST 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux | Mar 09 18:26 |
| Daemonfc | B-) | Mar 09 18:26 |
| oiaohm | http://identi.ca/schestowitz GoForbes28 Moving houses | Mar 09 18:26 |
| oiaohm | Daemonfc: so prity close to a stock kernel? | Mar 09 18:27 |
| Daemonfc | aside from three apparmor patches, it is stock | Mar 09 18:27 |
| oiaohm | With the closed source ati drivers they will catch up with huge pages after 2.6.38 is released. | Mar 09 18:28 |
| oiaohm | most likely catch up with BKL at the same time. | Mar 09 18:28 |
| Daemonfc | I don't even care, I'm done with FGLRX and its bad behavior, random shittiness | Mar 09 18:28 |
| Daemonfc | It seems like every month they fix some bugs, and I find as many or more someplace else, it's like they're just shifting them around | Mar 09 18:30 |
| oiaohm | Not there is about 1200 bugs in it. | Mar 09 18:30 |
| oiaohm | So the number is dropping it started at over 3000 when AMD got ATI. | Mar 09 18:30 |
| Daemonfc | I suspect that their Enterprise customers bitches about something, and they hack around the problem and make a few more | Mar 09 18:30 |
| Daemonfc | I'm sure that's how Catalyst works | Mar 09 18:31 |
| oiaohm | Think back to prior to the AMD aquirement . | Mar 09 18:31 |
| oiaohm | Compared to then the Catalyet driver now are high quality. | Mar 09 18:31 |
| Daemonfc | AMD should have bought Nvidia, at least they wouldn't have this nightmare | Mar 09 18:31 |
| oiaohm | But they still sux. | Mar 09 18:32 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia was not cheep enough. | Mar 09 18:32 |
| Daemonfc | ATI was all about cutting corners, half-assing, and jerry rigging | Mar 09 18:32 |
| oiaohm | To be correct ATI chip designers were not half bad. | Mar 09 18:33 |
| oiaohm | Driver developers and Legal department in ATI have really had AMD rip right threw them for incompetence. | Mar 09 18:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #DOD Passes the Buck Rather than Let #Kucinich Visit #BradleyManning http://ur1.ca/3g30g | Mar 09 18:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #DOD Declares #War on … Underwear http://ur1.ca/3g30z | Mar 09 18:35 | |
| Daemonfc | I think it's weird how this open source stack is being developed | Mar 09 18:36 |
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| Daemonfc | I'm surprised that it's progressing as quickly as it is | Mar 09 18:36 |
| oiaohm | AMD is serious about it. | Mar 09 18:36 |
| oiaohm | Things would move lot faster if the legal deparment clearances were not required. | Mar 09 18:37 |
| oiaohm | in a way that takes a few months. | Mar 09 18:37 |
| oiaohm | Due to the fact ATI docs were not clean. | Mar 09 18:37 |
| oiaohm | AMD is almost to the point that all new cards that can release all the specs before they enter production. Daemonfc | Mar 09 18:38 |
| oiaohm | Ie AMD does that with there CPU's for years. | Mar 09 18:38 |
| Daemonfc | yeah, binary drivers are maddening | Mar 09 18:40 |
| Daemonfc | the extra performance isn't even worth the headache | Mar 09 18:40 |
| Daemonfc | so I'm not even going to use FGLRX anymore | Mar 09 18:40 |
| Daemonfc | the thing that pisses me off the most is how you have to wait until AMD is damned good and ready to release their monthly update before maybe using the latest kernel | Mar 09 18:41 |
| Daemonfc | (or maybe you wait another month) | Mar 09 18:41 |
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| oiaohm | Daemonfc: intentional policy | Mar 09 18:46 |
| oiaohm | Daemonfc: to force focus on the open source drivers. | Mar 09 18:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Political prisoner Bradley Manning's state dangerously deteriorating http://alturl.com/pk64g !wl | Mar 09 18:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Julian Assange, The Man Behind WikiLeaks | CBS interview http://is.gd/kiFOef !wl | Mar 09 19:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl !wl | Mar 09 19:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] No dinner companions tonight so it's time to cook the tuna steak and drink the merlot. | Mar 09 19:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry !wl | Mar 09 19:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] nice to do #adhoc #teaching. explained a colleague yesterday about basic #programming skills; loops, data structs, etc. today he showed it! | Mar 09 19:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @mairin #sxsw here we come! /cc: !fedora | Mar 09 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I'm "this" close to quitting #Twitter. Tag-based auto-followers = the plague. Besides, I prefer identi.ca's features. | Mar 09 19:48 | |
| Ender2070 | http://www.infowars.com/soros-communist-chinese-model-of-order-may-become-the-envy-of-the-world/ | Mar 09 19:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Amazing piece: Five Ways to Be Tone Deaf in #Washington http://ur1.ca/3g3v5 #MotherJones #MoJo | Mar 09 20:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] These #GOP #Budget Cuts Might Make You Puke (or Worse) http://ur1.ca/3g4cx #food #safety #health #MotherJones #MoJo #wtf | Mar 09 20:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @rejon RT @taweili Who Will be the Steve Jobs of China? http://flpbd.it/MI88 Jobs is unique, one in a billion... Wait... Still dumb q ... | Mar 09 20:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #FLOSS Weekly 156 with @methoddan: !SELinux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5VNrXOr6s | Mar 09 20:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] I know @methoddan is not the guest Dan Walsh, but the host Dan Lynch ;-) /cc: !SELinux | Mar 09 20:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] State Has No Obligation To Protect Police Officers, Ottawa To Argue At Appeal - http://bit.ly/hLWqA7 #cdnpoli | Mar 09 20:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Even older in Stardate measurement...RT @Finola William Shatner is almost 80? omg. - Makes me feel old too! | Mar 09 20:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I am late today, I missed Runa's Talk, now she is answering questions of audience after talk - #kdeconf #kdeindia #confkdein | Mar 09 20:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Next Talk - Opportunities around Nokia platforms and emerging app economy #kdeconf #kdeindia #confkdein | Mar 09 20:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Please update schedule on Tweet and Dents #kdeconf #confkdein @pradeepto @ApurvaTripathi @madcap_loon @kushaldas @kdeindia @rajitsingh | Mar 09 20:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Hall S1 - learning QTScript, Hall S2 - learning pyQT, #kdeconf #confkdein #kdeindia | Mar 09 21:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl http://bit.ly/hB1Lvx | Mar 09 21:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry http://bit.ly/hJtrUf | Mar 09 21:06 | |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ7HmcJCi4 | Mar 09 21:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The #Brain Eating #Vaccine #Conspiracy http://ur1.ca/3g501 #Wired #wtf | Mar 09 21:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Fascinating, bookmarked! Under Pressure: The Search for a #Stress #Vaccine http://ur1.ca/3g58r #Wired #biology | Mar 09 21:15 | |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo | Mar 09 21:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Wisconsin: Walker passes illegal anti-American bill, fuck him like we fucked Mubarak and his regime http://ur1.ca/3g5dr | Mar 09 21:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] See Jobs available with Qt - http://fossjobs.in/search/qt #kdeconf #confkdein #kdeindia | Mar 09 21:20 | |
| Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt | Mar 09 21:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Qt Jobs - http://tinyurl.com/6ef8qrc #kdeconf #confkdein @pradeepto @ApurvaTripathi @madcap_loon @kushaldas @kdeindia @rajitsingh plz RT | Mar 09 21:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 447 Minis votes for a God. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #Minis #fantasy #worthreading | Mar 09 21:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #SarahPalin's Father: 'We Sleep With #Guns' http://ur1.ca/3g5ib I sleep with pillows. | Mar 09 21:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I have a bunch of blog posts to write. I should be working on them, but I'm not. #procrastination | Mar 09 21:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Nongeek friend on #tags: Why not make'em normal links—just highlight/color? All the #'s hurt my eyes; like looking at a broken website. | Mar 09 21:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Anyone time to help #openSUSE? screenshots page must be updated. http://bit.ly/eZiVFG screenshots here: http://bit.ly/evVe5Y | Mar 09 22:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @eLiberatica: #Mozilla makes a better case for #web #apps in minutes than #Google did in months http://is.gd/Yiw7dp | Mar 09 22:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @alpvonkri: #openSUSE #Linux 11.4 será oficialmente lanzado mañana 10 / Marzo / 2011 a las 8:00am (Tiempo del Centro de México) | Mar 09 22:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mem: Yay! I'm getting a new PC at work, now it only has to get thru the paperwork :-P Can't wait to get #debian on it :-) | Mar 09 22:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Holy bullshit, Batman! No Anonymous Browsing http://ur1.ca/3g5zs #UK #O2 #iPhone #censorship #fail | Mar 09 22:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @stephiedg Annma's talk has started in the main auditorium! It's about how to start contributing to KDE-edu : #confkdein #kdeindia | Mar 09 22:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @akavoor I'm giving away 500 Kubuntu CDs today, post lunch at #confkdein #kdeindia | Mar 09 22:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I have SchoolOS Digital Library (2GB) - http://schooloslibrary.sourceforge.net/ , anyone can come and take - #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 09 22:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @karunakarg have debian squeeze mirror (50GB), if anyone wants #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf #debian | Mar 09 22:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] #Facebook Resistance Workshop at CIS, Bangalore, Apr 02, 2011 http://ur1.ca/3fomi (@hapeeg cc @nsisodiya) #media4d #ICT4D | Mar 09 22:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Video tutorial on Some of the KDE-EDU apps http://ur1.ca/3g6hr @@stephiedg RT #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 09 22:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] openSUSE 11.4 out today; probably will wait for new laptop, though. if there was a release party in Zürich, i'd go *hint* *hint* ;) | Mar 09 22:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to work. | Mar 09 22:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @jasonwoof @danielmarti btrfs is being developed as the successor to ext4. ext4 is older, and much more stable right now. | Mar 09 22:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love @kaz correcting @bkuhn on the time thing. | Mar 09 22:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Conferința Agora despre virtualizare http://www.agora.ro/conferinta/virtualizare-1 #agora #bucuresti | Mar 09 22:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Why, oh why is there an app to send fake SMS to self? More than one! #itsacrazyworld | Mar 09 22:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDE-EDU Contribution Tasks http://ur1.ca/3g6qo http://ur1.ca/3g6qp http://ur1.ca/3g6qq http://ur1.ca/3g6qr #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 09 22:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @chrisblizzard : It's time. The #Mozilla #Firefox 4 Release Candidate is Now Available. And it's awesome. http://mzl.la/edSLxp #web #free | Mar 09 22:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate pentru Windows, Mac și Linux este disponibilă http://is.gd/VgZLMh #romania #software #windows #microsoft | Mar 09 23:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDE-EDU, You can also contribute by creating Video Tutorial using Spoken Tutorial Project #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 09 23:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Next Talk - Stephanie Das Gupta - Contributing more India specific content to KDE-edu apps #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 09 23:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LinkedIn Is About To Make Headlines http://tcrn.ch/edxdPN by @mrinaldesai | Mar 09 23:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @zack nice #editorial by Jonas on the work revolving around the delivery of !FreedomBox to the public http://ur1.ca/3g6ta !Debian | Mar 09 23:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The year of the #FreedomBox http://dr.jones.dk//fb/year/ #free #software #gnu #linux #debian !romania | Mar 09 23:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @TechCrunch: LinkedIn Is About To Make Headlines http://tcrn.ch/edxdPN by @mrinaldesai | Mar 09 23:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @JuniperNetworks : BLOG: New IPv6 blog series from #Juniper http://Ez.com/ipv6 (via @svjn ) #ipv6 #ip6 #net | Mar 09 23:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Will #Microsoft lose $1.1 billion this year because of tablet woes? Not likely http://is.gd/enHypX #android #software #mobile #wp7 | Mar 09 23:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Sitting with @indradg #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 09 23:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sq | Mar 09 23:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] why the crap am I awake and hacking on a ruby cgi script? | Mar 09 23:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] How the new Kernel SRPM distribution impacts CentOS http://is.gd/ROvWmy #redhat #centos #kernel #gnu #linux #software #source | Mar 09 00:28 | |
| Ender2070 | i dont see the big deal behind the kernel srpm | Mar 09 00:41 |
| Ender2070 | its still open source | Mar 09 00:41 |
| Ender2070 | just because they don't wrap it up in nice foil with a ribbon, or on a silver platter doesn't change anything | Mar 09 00:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] still believe #Fedora should try to be embedded-friendly. #MeeGo is a try. Then again, we already have !Yocto / #OpenEmbedded and Debian | Mar 09 00:43 | |
| Ender2070 | during the dark ages, kernel devel was done via tarballs and diff patches | Mar 09 00:43 |
| Ender2070 | while walking to work uphill both ways, in the freezing cold over broken glass | Mar 09 00:44 |
| Ender2070 | barefoot | Mar 09 00:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[hisdudeness/@hisdudeness] RT@ !wikileaks : #Ellsberg & #Assange talk (video, 90 minutes) at Frontline http://is.gd/8xJGzi | Mar 09 01:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Canada: online piracy a problem hurting artists, creators and the economy? http://bit.ly/fhvGVJ #C32 #cdnpoli | Mar 09 01:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Last Discovery flight today. Makes me sad.... | Mar 09 01:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mapopa: RT @philippem_: #firebird : php5 and firebird pdo driver on rpm distro : http://ur1.ca/3fbqm | Mar 09 01:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ardrigh: Got #fedora 15 alpha dvd install image via torrent (yes Google, TORRENT), now to crank it up on my desktop :D | Mar 09 01:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to work. | Mar 09 01:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: RT @nettuts Ruby for Newbies: Working with Directories and Files http://bit.ly/hCeNi5 | Mar 09 01:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms : The ghost, the healer & the arms-sage. http://bit.ly/dEBzBi #Chevenga #weblit #fantasy #worthreading | Mar 09 01:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 447 Minis votes for a God. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #Minis #fantasy #worthreading | Mar 09 01:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Chestionar Microblogging in educatie: cu @ggrosseck invitam cadre didactice/cercetatori/masteranzi/doctoranzi http://url.ie/a46p - multumim. | Mar 09 01:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetmozilla: Meeting Notes from the Mozilla community: #Mozilla Platform Meeting Minutes: 2011-03-08 #firefox http://bit.ly/hp01fk | Mar 09 01:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla meeting...... | Mar 09 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | Agenda, discuss possible plans for Firefox 4 Beta 13-50 | Mar 09 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | Be it resolved that nobody has the time to apply one-liner patch to fix Chatzilla | Mar 09 01:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetmozilla: Meeting Notes from the #Mozilla community: Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2011-03-08: #Thunderbird http://bit.ly/e1G4oa | Mar 09 01:41 | |
| DaemonFC | Be it resolved that OpenGL compositing on Linux is fucked and will stay that way | Mar 09 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | Be it resolved that we ask SweatyB which one of his other API's to implement that competes with open standards | Mar 09 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | Be it resolved that we continue to neglect memory leaks, since jemalloc usually cleans up after us anyway | Mar 09 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | Be it resolved that multi-threaded browsers are indeed passe | Mar 09 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://forum.kernelnewbies.org/read.php?7,2399,2399,quote=1 | Mar 09 01:49 |
| *DaemonFC hit that problem | Mar 09 01:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux Remote Desktop For Controlling Windows XP / Vista / Server 2003 ( rdesktop ) http://is.gd/5I4z4i #rdp #windows #gnu #linux #software | Mar 09 01:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] I'm sympathetic with those with mental problems. I used to date a chronic depressed. But I can't stand paranoids. Ghaddafi behaves like one | Mar 09 01:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Om nom nom nom... | Mar 09 01:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Nothing like a new !kernel and akmods-nvidia packet in the morning and not to forget a !reboot to get you started. !Fedora oh and !coffee | Mar 09 02:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] New net rules set to make cookies crumble http://is.gd/dkV23M #web #eu #security #cookie #internet | Mar 09 02:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: Linux Australia needs to lift its public profile http://bit.ly/igTCce #linux #gnu #australia | Mar 09 02:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @ZDNet: #Plaxo moving out of #social #networking... http://zd.net/dWdl0m Me: Bye. Don't bother to write. | Mar 09 02:18 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Xen magic wall hit you. | Mar 09 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | what's that? | Mar 09 02:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Mozilla urges users to update graphics drivers for Firefox 4 http://is.gd/NXQJQX #mozilla #firefox #firefox4 #web #fedora #ubuntu #romania | Mar 09 02:21 | |
| oiaohm | That xen bug. DaemonFC | Mar 09 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Its appeared and disappared may times accross linux verisons. | Mar 09 02:23 |
| oiaohm | https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/9/23 <, Reason why I pays to check next. DaemonFC | Mar 09 02:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Google and #Microsoft offer #Nokia hundreds of millions to abandon #MeeGo, #Symbian http://is.gd/D121Pf #android #wp7 | Mar 09 02:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] ♺ @gvs: Is this for real, !RedHat restricting GPL use of RHEL !linux? http://tinyurl.com/4htc24g | Mar 09 02:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just upgraded !google chrome 10 stable. Hangs on loading Facebook. Iceweasel loaded it in a second. First time Chrome has hung for me. | Mar 09 02:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sq | Mar 09 02:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 2011 Day Against DRM http://is.gd/RtbWXH #drm #freedom #audio #video #gnu #linux #microsoft #apple #sony #ipad | Mar 09 02:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Spuneți NU restricționării accesului la Web, chiar și în aceste cazuri ! http://is.gd/k5qUD2 #romania #internet #freedom #web | Mar 09 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Simultanology - http://bit.ly/f9oXx3 more thought-provoking stuff from Kevin Kelly | Mar 09 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Adobe releases Flash to !html converter called "Wallaby" http://ur1.ca/3fluo | Mar 09 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Adobe releases Flash to !html5 converter called "Wallaby" http://ur1.ca/3fluo | Mar 09 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong" - http://bit.ly/e6sD3m an unpredictable player #copyright | Mar 09 03:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Gertrud-Bäumer-Realschule http://b1t.it/ciF #4sq | Mar 09 03:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More [PPA] http://bit.ly/gw8BkZ | Mar 09 03:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Packt Publishing Believes in Open Source, Donates Over $300K to Projects - http://bit.ly/f2mIA1 kudos #opensource #publishing | Mar 09 03:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @webupd8: gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More [PPA] http://bit.ly/gw8BkZ | Mar 09 03:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: RT @instantshift Understanding the Theory of Minimalism in Web Design http://bit.ly/houv4z | Mar 09 03:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Free Speech Flag to be removed from Wikipedia?: http://news.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/03/08/1459252#commentlisting | Mar 09 03:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mapopa: What is worse than propietary flash : obfuscated bloated xml svg http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1256900 | Mar 09 03:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @richslxh: #Adobe releases #Flash to #html5 converter called "Wallaby" Better for #linux users http://ur1.ca/3fluo | Mar 09 03:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @AndreiAvadanei: #Adobe a lansat convertor #Flash-to-HTML5 poreclit Wallaby http://goo.gl/fb/pFibH #gnu #linux | Mar 09 03:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] getting ready to hack on libtaskmanager some more. that thing is like an old friend that is always there. | Mar 09 03:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh /s/fowls/fouls/ 0.o | Mar 09 03:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] writing a blog entry like http://ur1.ca/3fcf0 is unnerving as it is an uncomfortable sort of topic and (partly) about others | Mar 09 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] So, first we get told Pluto isn't a planet, and now they get this one wrong as well >_> #astronomer #fail http://ur1.ca/3fmbh | Mar 09 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mihaibaboi: #Motorola Defy vs concurenţa - Blogul lui Emil! http://bit.ly/h27XSb #mobile #romania | Mar 09 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] so it is reassuring that it strikes a chord with some of our friends in GNOME too, e.g.: http://ur1.ca/3fmbj | Mar 09 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @guardiannews: French police find jewels worth £15.4m in Paris sewer http://gu.com/p/2nj3e/tf | Mar 09 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mascateatru: De a ta sărutare, Zaraza, vreau să mor și eu! http://wp.me/peKn5-2oe | Mar 09 03:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Trip Hawkins, founder of Electronic Arts, says that browsers are the gaming platform of the future: http://ur1.ca/3fmft | Mar 09 03:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @mossgarden when someone asks me to do something that takes two seconds for them because they don't have time... I don't really want ... | Mar 09 03:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @glynmoody: Packt Publishing Believes in Open Source, Donates Over $300K to Projects - http://bit.ly/f2mIA1 kudos #opensource #publishing | Mar 09 03:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] . @pradeepto Just discussed about Spoken Tutorial project - one can know more about it http://ur1.ca/3fmja #kdeconf #kdeindia | Mar 09 03:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] very sad to see Windows laptop connected to Projector at conf #kdeconf #kdeindia, There are many new user who will get wrong impression :( | Mar 09 03:50 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 09 03:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux backup: the complete guide http://is.gd/V1qQZ6 #gnu #linux #backup #security | Mar 09 03:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Multi-Core Scaling http://is.gd/M6qHze #gnu #linux #kernel #software | Mar 09 04:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 5 Things OS X Does Better than Linux http://is.gd/ge1zIr #gnu #linux #software #osx #apple | Mar 09 04:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @dfscot Today is No Smoking Day - shouldn't that be every day? | Mar 09 04:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Upgrading PCs http://is.gd/picTu7 #hardware #software | Mar 09 04:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Ten ways Windows fails but Linux does not http://is.gd/wzl7zi #microsoft #windows #office #msoffice | Mar 09 04:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Cum te conectezi la calculatoare #Windows de la distanță? Prin #VNC, protocol standardizat, NU Remote Desktop http://www.tightvnc.com/ #msft | Mar 09 04:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Why !Android phones are targets for Trojans (and how to protect your phone) http://goo.gl/OArEj | Mar 09 04:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [self RT] Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStI | Mar 09 04:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Chromium blog: A Mini-Newsletter From Your Google Chrome Security Team http://goo.gl/VjgqT | Mar 09 04:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @themoovida Working on a #git/#mercurial cheatsheet.comments/corrections welcome http://tinyurl.com/4bzzsne | Mar 09 04:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDEConf Live Dents/Tweets - http://twitter.com/#search?q=kdeconf%20OR%20kdeindia%20OR%20confkdein | Mar 09 04:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #XKCD: Mathematically Annoying Advertising http://xkcd.com/870/ | Mar 09 04:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] England 'healthier than the US' - http://bbc.in/hvEl1O intriguing #health | Mar 09 04:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] IsItOpen[Drug]Data? - http://bit.ly/fbGsoZ nice moves in world of chemistry #opendata #openchemistry | Mar 09 04:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Android now more profitable than #iOS for well-known game developer - http://bit.ly/eXalMB "Android has become our primary interest" | Mar 09 04:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] China to realize online train ticket booking with real-name system - http://bit.ly/hDjud1 whoa... #surveillance | Mar 09 04:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Foresight !Linux 2.5.0 Release Candidate Galore! http://goo.gl/Jy9nJ | Mar 09 04:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] First good news of the day. Application to extend a very tight deadline in a big case has been granted :-) | Mar 09 04:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStI | Mar 09 04:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] The Universal Runtime http://goo.gl/pw9Xi | Mar 09 04:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Henri Bergius: Trying out #Cloud9IDE: Developing software in your browser http://goo.gl/F9PFQ | Mar 09 04:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Fedora 15 Alpha Post-Installation Guide for Gnome http://goo.gl/DDjRS "4. Execute as root: yum groupinstall -y kde-desktop" lol :D | Mar 09 04:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8 !PPA updates: #Parcellite 1.0, #PuddleTag 0.10.0 http://goo.gl/gD9uZ | Mar 09 04:40 | |
| sebsebseb | Anyone here? | Mar 09 04:42 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 09 04:42 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I just read about the name for Ubuntu 11.10 | Mar 09 04:42 |
| MinceR | the name seems all right | Mar 09 04:43 |
| MinceR | the distro itself, on the other hand... | Mar 09 04:43 |
| sebsebseb | the name seems, weird | Mar 09 04:43 |
| sebsebseb | anyway like I expected, they would do Unity 2D by default | Mar 09 04:43 |
| sebsebseb | makes sense, they are going Gnome 3 as well with that one, except for shell by default | Mar 09 04:44 |
| MinceR | now they could boot mono and banshee to make room for Qt | Mar 09 04:44 |
| MinceR | and to end the banshee referral code problem :> | Mar 09 04:44 |
| sebsebseb | heh yeah | Mar 09 04:44 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway people may as well not use Ubuntu, as in not use Kubuntu or Lubuntu or XUbuntu | Mar 09 04:45 |
| sebsebseb | if they are going to use Ubuntu | Mar 09 04:45 |
| sebsebseb | unless they use Unity | Mar 09 04:45 |
| sebsebseb | that's what I think, since yep other distro's :) | Mar 09 04:45 |
| MinceR | they might as well use debian or fedora or whatever | Mar 09 04:45 |
| sebsebseb | yep if going to use KDE or XFCE or LXDE, may as well use some other distro :) | Mar 09 04:45 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember they have also made the mistake under my countries laws with rythombox. | Mar 09 04:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: what did they do? | Mar 09 04:46 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh? | Mar 09 04:46 |
| oiaohm | Altered the stores. MinceR | Mar 09 04:46 |
| MinceR | what australian law prohibits it? | Mar 09 04:46 |
| MinceR | (just in general terms, no need for exact ID :> ) | Mar 09 04:46 |
| oiaohm | Falls under false representation. | Mar 09 04:47 |
| MinceR | how? | Mar 09 04:47 |
| oiaohm | Programs look a 100 percent the same even that the ID has been change. | Mar 09 04:47 |
| oiaohm | Ie so customer could presume they are funding gnome when in fact the money is going 75 percent to ubuntu and 25 percent to gnome. | Mar 09 04:48 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 09 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Also can get confusing for customer if banshee or rythombox decided to directly release a version for ubuntu | Mar 09 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Since the 2 programs would look the same but infact have different outcomes. | Mar 09 04:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically there are very good reason why what Ubuntu just did is illegal in many countries. MinceR | Mar 09 04:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Thanks for the contagion (NOT) now we're both stuck at home :) ♺ @lilbernie: Suffering from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laryngitis | Mar 09 04:50 | |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 09 04:50 |
| oiaohm | Basically to be legal ubuntu did not alter enough. MinceR | Mar 09 04:51 |
| oiaohm | A simple (Ubuntu) after amazon store entry would have been enough so user could see the difference. | Mar 09 04:52 |
| oiaohm | Trickerly to get money is not tollerated under most countries laws. | Mar 09 04:52 |
| MinceR | can anyone other than the banshee devs sue for that in this case, though? | Mar 09 04:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Mint is pretty wow now days really | Mar 09 04:54 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: takes what is good from Ubuntu, does added user friendly, and looks better by default :) | Mar 09 04:54 |
| MinceR | it's still either ubuntu or a rolling release though | Mar 09 04:54 |
| sebsebseb | and of course that version based directly on Debian for a while now as well | Mar 09 04:54 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Gnome 3 for next Mint | Mar 09 04:55 |
| sebsebseb | not shell or unity though | Mar 09 04:55 |
| sebsebseb | by default | Mar 09 04:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but can run unity and shell anyway with Mint next one, so :d | Mar 09 04:55 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway Aprl is coming soon, Kubuntu 9.10 runs out of support, you could try and maintain yourself, or switch distro :D | Mar 09 04:55 |
| sebsebseb | I hear Mandriva and PC Linux OS calling you to try them, but also whatever the next version of Mageia is saying that you should maybe try it, even though it's still development | Mar 09 04:56 |
| MinceR | yes, i know | Mar 09 04:56 |
| sebsebseb | I meant above, the version of Mageia at the time, whatever the latest is then | Mar 09 04:57 |
| sebsebseb | whichever development version it is then, alpha 3 or something I guess | Mar 09 04:57 |
| MinceR | doesn't mageia obsolete mandriva? | Mar 09 04:57 |
| sebsebseb | first Mageia will be very similar to Mandriva, since it's basically just a re branded Mandriva pretty much | Mar 09 04:57 |
| sebsebseb | then after that one, they should start doing their own thing quite a bit more | Mar 09 04:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Any consumer can sue. Under fair trading(consumer law breach) | Mar 09 05:01 |
| oiaohm | And worst nightmare is anyone providing it is on the table to pay for it. | Mar 09 05:01 |
| sebsebseb | http://blogs.computerworld.com/17800/google_and_microsoft_offer_nokia_hundreds_of_millions_to_abandon_meego_symbian | Mar 09 05:02 |
| sebsebseb | says it's from February though | Mar 09 05:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Banshee trademark owns to Novell and Novell could go Ubuntu for miss use of trademark and be seeking to take ubuntu trademarks as settlement to prevent future infringments. | Mar 09 05:03 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: MinceR hopefuly Canonical mess Ubuntu up enough soon, in a way | Mar 09 05:03 |
| sebsebseb | then off laods of poeple go to other distro's :D | Mar 09 05:04 |
| sebsebseb | people | Mar 09 05:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 05:04 |
| sebsebseb | anyway the most popular software tend to be good really | Mar 09 05:04 |
| sebsebseb | the industry standards you know | Mar 09 05:04 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: novell won't do it though, nor will any other of the monomaniacs | Mar 09 05:04 |
| sebsebseb | also software that is trying to go main streame, going by Ubuntu, well yep it becomes pretty bad really | Mar 09 05:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Novell new owner | Mar 09 05:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: we have a wild card. | Mar 09 05:05 |
| MinceR | attackmate? i think that's just more of the same | Mar 09 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | uh above | Mar 09 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | that was meant to say | Mar 09 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | the most popular software does not tend to be good really | Mar 09 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | or not that good | Mar 09 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | Windows | Mar 09 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | Photoshop | Mar 09 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | Microsoft Office | Mar 09 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | Mac OS X | Mar 09 05:05 |
| oiaohm | attackmate is a normally at take strip and proft company. MinceR | Mar 09 05:05 |
| sebsebseb | to name some | Mar 09 05:05 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 09 05:05 |
| MinceR | well, they could blackmail m$ for this | Mar 09 05:06 |
| MinceR | that's a good outcome too, i guess | Mar 09 05:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so getting hands on ubuntu would suit there mod of operation. | Mar 09 05:06 |
| sebsebseb | Iphone | Mar 09 05:06 |
| sebsebseb | Playstation 3? | Mar 09 05:06 |
| sebsebseb | Blueray | Mar 09 05:06 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 09 05:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also Redhat and Novell have trademark wared before. | Mar 09 05:06 |
| MinceR | ps3 was pretty much crippled since it was introduced | Mar 09 05:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Both walked away with a respect for trademarks and a complete knowledge how to use them. | Mar 09 05:07 |
| sebsebseb | examples of software not that isn't that good, but is trying to go main strame, recent versions of Ubuntu, and I guess Windows Phone 7 as well | Mar 09 05:07 |
| sebsebseb | now, not, not above, stupid typos | Mar 09 05:07 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Ubuntu used to be so great | Mar 09 05:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Like including the fact you don't threat a person with trademark instead you just take them to court. | Mar 09 05:07 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and then Canonical started messing it up | Mar 09 05:08 |
| sebsebseb | trying to go main streame | Mar 09 05:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: And the point Novell will act is just after the release of 11.04 | Mar 09 05:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: If they are going to. | Mar 09 05:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: And for consumer law to be applied also has to wait until the release of 11.04 | Mar 09 05:09 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 05:12 |
| oiaohm | What Canonical is trying to be done could have been done perfectly legally. | Mar 09 05:15 |
| oiaohm | Its not hard. | Mar 09 05:15 |
| oiaohm | Don't create something that could decieve someone. Is that a hard point of view. | Mar 09 05:15 |
| oiaohm | Personally I would have just create 2 amazon store entries. | Mar 09 05:16 |
| oiaohm | one with (Gnome) and one with (Ubuntu) with the different id behind it. | Mar 09 05:16 |
| oiaohm | And left it to end users to choose who they were going to pay. | Mar 09 05:16 |
| oiaohm | Wait that breaks ubuntu idea of allowing users to have free will. | Mar 09 05:17 |
| MinceR | ubuntu has that idea? | Mar 09 05:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jerezim Les gouvernements européens unis contre la société du savoir ? http://ur1.ca/3fo3j #IPRED #ACTA #Partage #EU | Mar 09 05:18 | |
| MinceR | i thought they adopted the crApple "users are idiots and need to be controlled and restricted at every step" idea | Mar 09 05:18 |
| oiaohm | Ie ubuntu free will incompadible. | Mar 09 05:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/fzkvf/thats_it_were_quitting_no_more_quit_command_for/c1ju9x9 | Mar 09 05:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] An AMG CLS 63??? 6.3 l??? Seriously? This guy *has* to be a drug dealer.... WTF | Mar 09 05:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Nicu Buculei: Breaking News - !Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! Now with desktop icons! http://goo.gl/vcKEd | Mar 09 05:43 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: what's the lancelot thing | Mar 09 05:44 |
| sebsebseb | with this new name, I don't understand it | Mar 09 05:44 |
| MinceR | lancelot has a new name? | Mar 09 05:44 |
| sebsebseb | no | Mar 09 05:44 |
| sebsebseb | to do with this new Ubuntu code name | Mar 09 05:44 |
| sebsebseb | someone did the Lancelot thing in a channel, but from the blog post: | Mar 09 05:45 |
| sebsebseb | from the blog comments: | Mar 09 05:45 |
| sebsebseb | for example | Mar 09 05:45 |
| sebsebseb | this: | Mar 09 05:45 |
| sebsebseb | Oh dear god. Prepare for people misspelling “Oneiric” as “Onieric”. Fiesty^WFeisty was bad enough :-( . | Mar 09 05:45 |
| sebsebseb | That being said, I actually like the name; it has a nice ring to it. It also reminds me of Lancelot. | Mar 09 05:45 |
| sebsebseb | Just remember: I before E, except after C, or the name of an Ubuntu release. | Mar 09 05:45 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Can you explain that to me? ^ | Mar 09 05:46 |
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| MinceR | i can't | Mar 09 05:46 |
| MinceR | i don't know what "oneiric" has to do with "lancelot" | Mar 09 05:46 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/beyond-natty-the-next-version-of-ubuntu-linux/8418 | Mar 09 05:46 |
| sebsebseb | then I went to the blog post about it later, but first said here I had read about it, by the way | Mar 09 05:47 |
| sebsebseb | I Know not relivent, but anyway | Mar 09 05:47 |
| MinceR | other than that they're both words | Mar 09 05:47 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/beyond-natty-the-next-version-of-ubuntu-linux/8418 | Mar 09 05:47 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Ubuntu hype :( | Mar 09 05:47 |
| sebsebseb | COME ON OTHER DISTRO'S GIVE UBUNTU SOME NICE PROPER COMPETITION! | Mar 09 05:47 |
| sebsebseb | OTHER DISTRO'S YAY OTHER DISTRO'S YAY, GO ON, GO ON, GO ON, YES GO ON, PROPER COMPETITION FOR UBUNTU YES PLEASE, WE SHOUT/CHANT :d | Mar 09 05:48 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway Canonical has been trying to make Ubuntu go main streame since well 9.04 really | Mar 09 05:48 |
| sebsebseb | when they got a design team | Mar 09 05:48 |
| sebsebseb | and 9.04 is when it started going bad | Mar 09 05:49 |
| sebsebseb | properly bad, just little stuff for 9.04 and 9.10, and then AH! for 10.04 and so on from there, as I have said before | Mar 09 05:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway I guess that's what happens to a lot of tech, it tries to go main streame, and then it sucks | Mar 09 05:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 is deemphasizing user customization, or theming in favour of a 'just works' and 'slick out of the box' approach http://goo.gl/59Ey1 | Mar 09 05:50 | |
| sebsebseb | and most main streame software does suck really | Mar 09 05:50 |
| MinceR | maybe they thought they need to make another macos to go mainstread | Mar 09 05:50 |
| sebsebseb | yep seems so | Mar 09 05:50 |
| MinceR | then again, with all that crApple fanboyism going on in there it's not so surprising | Mar 09 05:50 |
| MinceR | with all the drooling that "omg omg omg crApple does design so well" | Mar 09 05:50 |
| sebsebseb | they seem to think they need to make something like OS X to go main streame | Mar 09 05:50 |
| MinceR | (no they don't, they suck at it) | Mar 09 05:50 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then again, going by the omgubuntu site, a lot of the slightly more expereinced Ubuntu users, like customising and docks and so on, so no wonder | Mar 09 05:50 |
| MinceR | (i mean, all that fanboyism/drooling seems to be going on _inside_ the company) | Mar 09 05:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 doesn't want to confuse users... well, with options: http://goo.gl/gMJuO | Mar 09 05:51 | |
| sebsebseb | well yeah, both the company and the UBuntu Community Members community as in those with membership, well loads of those will be fan boys or fan girls | Mar 09 05:51 |
| sebsebseb | and some of them really won't like it, if another distro get's recommended to someone instead | Mar 09 05:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 'Global warming' vs. 'climate change': terminology matters - http://bit.ly/g4QV68 not too surprising, perhaps | Mar 09 05:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin's Chronicles: Unhappy with !GNOME 3? Just ditch it! http://goo.gl/w8Ksk | Mar 09 05:53 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hmm some slightly bad Gnome 3 stuff coming in on dents just now hmm | Mar 09 05:55 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome Shell is good really | Mar 09 05:55 |
| sebsebseb | ok it's differnet here and there, and will lack certain things from GNOME 2, BUT | Mar 09 05:55 |
| sebsebseb | well 3.2 should be pretty good :) | Mar 09 05:55 |
| sebsebseb | people just need to give it some time to improve a bit more after the first stable release I think | Mar 09 05:55 |
| sebsebseb | a bit like KDE 4.0 really | Mar 09 05:56 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway have you noticed by going online, you know comments to Linux stuff on sites and so on, a lot of idiots? | Mar 09 05:56 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.0 had a reason to be doggy. | Mar 09 05:56 |
| oiaohm | Complete core ripped out and redone. | Mar 09 05:56 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: first stable versino of Gnome Shell is really a test as well | Mar 09 05:56 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: for examplle the no maximise and minimise buttons, that's a test | Mar 09 05:56 |
| sebsebseb | they will add that back for 3.2 with good enough reason | Mar 09 05:57 |
| oiaohm | Gnome shell is still built on top of a known core. | Mar 09 05:57 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: right well Gnome Shell is comopletly diffenret to Gnome 2 as well | Mar 09 05:57 |
| sebsebseb | also Gnome 3 is done with GTK 3 and so on | Mar 09 05:57 |
| oiaohm | Its more of a KDE 2.0 to KDE 3.0 | Mar 09 05:57 |
| oiaohm | Not a KDE 4.0 event. | Mar 09 05:58 |
| oiaohm | But even so there was no need to remove max and min buttions without leaving an option to turn them back on. | Mar 09 05:58 |
| oiaohm | Hmm does gnome have a on all desktops button? | Mar 09 05:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stupid #EU #cookie law will hand the advantage to the US, kill our #startups stone dead - http://bit.ly/gPZeBi maladroit | Mar 09 06:00 | |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: minimise doesn't really go into the design of Gnome Shell apparnatly | Mar 09 06:01 |
| sebsebseb | and maximise can be done in other ways | Mar 09 06:01 |
| sebsebseb | also you can still minimizse, and maximise, just no button | Mar 09 06:01 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: gnome shell has no minimize and has maximize by dragging upwards, so it's stupid | Mar 09 06:02 |
| sebsebseb | one people are mainly ignoring though is the removing of the proper way to shut down | Mar 09 06:02 |
| sebsebseb | anyway maybe today not sure yet, but I should try out very latest GNome Shell really from a DVD/CD | Mar 09 06:02 |
| sebsebseb | also the whiners can use Gnome 2 for quite a long while yet really :) | Mar 09 06:03 |
| sebsebseb | it will be another year or so before most distro's that provide it now, no longer do I guess | Mar 09 06:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ECJ sinks plans for unified European #patent court - http://bit.ly/gdmqtR which is good: such a court would be disaster for #opensource | Mar 09 06:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @qwghlm @glynmoody BBC article it's based on is FUD from the IAB, no-one at the BBC or TC has actually read law by the looks of things | Mar 09 06:05 | |
| sebsebseb | Going by the screenshot, an Ubuntu user wrote this, well no suprise then heh heh. http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2011/03/unhappy-with-gnome-3-just-ditch-it.html | Mar 09 06:06 |
| sebsebseb | http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2011/03/unhappy-with-gnome-3-just-ditch-it.html | Mar 09 06:06 |
| sebsebseb | also telling people to ditch Gnome 3, before it's even released in final, hmm | Mar 09 06:06 |
| sebsebseb | well that right there, sounds like a Ubuntu user type of thing to do heh heh | Mar 09 06:07 |
| oiaohm | Masive change and the linux world is never compadible. | Mar 09 06:08 |
| sebsebseb | oh MinceR went away? | Mar 09 06:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Breaking: #Zynga files for trademark on the word “Ville” in Europe - http://bit.ly/fGyAC9 that'll go down well in #france | Mar 09 06:10 | |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: don't you mean compatible ? | Mar 09 06:10 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Yes I was going after compatible | Mar 09 06:11 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh, but let's see, many Ubuntu users will whine about Gnome Shell yes, but how many about Ubuntu, probably not as many of them. Oh, but why? Ah yes, since their beloved Canonical started Unity, I guess. Plus it's got their social networking junk features in it, and dock type thing, and junk like that, hmm. | Mar 09 06:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Beverage Companies Go Sustainable With Biodegradable Plastics, Ramped Up Recycling - http://tcrn.ch/huCLTY long overdue - & what about bags? | Mar 09 06:11 | |
| sebsebseb | also I think many of them haven't even tried, the version of Gnome Shell without the minimisie and maximise, before they start commenting on the web about it | Mar 09 06:12 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: More and more will get upset. | Mar 09 06:12 |
| sebsebseb | whatevever | Mar 09 06:12 |
| sebsebseb | they can use Unity | Mar 09 06:12 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome 2 for longer | Mar 09 06:12 |
| sebsebseb | XFCE, LXDE, and so on | Mar 09 06:12 |
| oiaohm | No with ubuntu as a whole. | Mar 09 06:12 |
| sebsebseb | if they don't like it | Mar 09 06:12 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is very quickly turning into the next windows. | Mar 09 06:13 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and yes more and more people getting annoyeed with Ubuntu now, and who were quite invovled with it :) | Mar 09 06:13 |
| sebsebseb | like Windows, but looks like Mac OS X, you mean? | Mar 09 06:13 |
| oiaohm | Did not Windows copy Mac? | Mar 09 06:13 |
| sebsebseb | well in some ways I guess Vista is like a Mac and Windows 7 | Mar 09 06:13 |
| oiaohm | There was a huge court case about in 1995 | Mar 09 06:14 |
| oiaohm | Over the recycle bin vs trash and so on. | Mar 09 06:14 |
| sebsebseb | maybe, not sure | Mar 09 06:14 |
| oiaohm | There was. | Mar 09 06:14 |
| sebsebseb | however what they say is that Apple copied Xerrox | Mar 09 06:14 |
| sebsebseb | or that's when it comes to the buttons on the left or whatever | Mar 09 06:14 |
| oiaohm | Apple did not copy Xerox | Mar 09 06:14 |
| oiaohm | Apple used Xerox code base. | Mar 09 06:14 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: anyway for me Ubuntu is becoming indeed like Windows, I mean where, I will want to have some sort of idea about what's going on with it | Mar 09 06:15 |
| oiaohm | Apple magically jumping from command line to graphical based. | Mar 09 06:15 |
| sebsebseb | it's just Ubuntu is developed much faster, and much more openly so well | Mar 09 06:15 |
| oiaohm | All lines up when Xerox development center got aquired by apple. | Mar 09 06:15 |
| sebsebseb | there's nearly always some sort of relivent Ubuntu news, when it comes to what is going on | Mar 09 06:15 |
| sebsebseb | where as with Windows well no, since development is more quite, and much slower | Mar 09 06:15 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu development will slow. | Mar 09 06:16 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu has really not thought threw the ammount of development time Unity is going to eat up. | Mar 09 06:16 |
| sebsebseb | well Unity 2D already being worked on as well | Mar 09 06:16 |
| sebsebseb | and that will be in 11.10 | Mar 09 06:16 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu resources are not unlimited. | Mar 09 06:17 |
| oiaohm | At some point they will find there limit. | Mar 09 06:17 |
| sebsebseb | if enough Ubuntu users don't like Unity, well they got a problem | Mar 09 06:17 |
| oiaohm | They have todo all the bug fixing on Unity. | Mar 09 06:17 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I used to look forward to Ubuntu releases, but well | Mar 09 06:17 |
| oiaohm | No other distribution is sharing the workload. | Mar 09 06:17 |
| sebsebseb | not so much anymore | Mar 09 06:18 |
| oiaohm | Fedora stopped opensuse stopped | Mar 09 06:18 |
| oiaohm | For the simple reason Ubuntu upstream was being jerks taking patches. | Mar 09 06:18 |
| sebsebseb | no | Mar 09 06:18 |
| sebsebseb | there was two blog posts about that | Mar 09 06:18 |
| sebsebseb | from the Fedora guy, and from the OpenSuse guy | Mar 09 06:18 |
| sebsebseb | and a link on pcworld that links to both | Mar 09 06:18 |
| oiaohm | Read them. | Mar 09 06:19 |
| sebsebseb | they were only providing optionally, and they wanted something accepted upstream that wasn't yet, or the FEdora guy anyway | Mar 09 06:19 |
| sebsebseb | he wanted it provided in the main Fedora repos, but something needed accepting upstream first | Mar 09 06:19 |
| oiaohm | I need to find the fedora mailing list post. | Mar 09 06:19 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: anyway Mint 11 the Ubuntu based version, yep Gnome 3 by default, with well a similar look to current Mint, but that one can run Unity, and also Gnome Shell so :D | Mar 09 06:20 |
| sebsebseb | well I guess Mint 11 can run Unity and Gnome Shell | Mar 09 06:20 |
| oiaohm | Also the fun thing is gcc is just going to keep on getting more strict. | Mar 09 06:20 |
| sebsebseb | I am slightly tempted to maybe put Mint 11 on here for real, for a while, you know pshyicall install, so I can switch between Unity and Gnome Shell, and well it's similar old look | Mar 09 06:20 |
| sebsebseb | in a distro that looks good and all that | Mar 09 06:21 |
| sebsebseb | and yep has Synatpic of course as well, and yeah :) | Mar 09 06:21 |
| sebsebseb | not sure yet | Mar 09 06:21 |
| sebsebseb | plus I got a strange issue here in PC Linux OS | Mar 09 06:21 |
| sebsebseb | two even | Mar 09 06:21 |
| sebsebseb | maybe upgrading to KDE 4.6.1 will help a bit though | Mar 09 06:21 |
| sebsebseb | gcc is going to get more strict? | Mar 09 06:21 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, gcc 4.6 is more strict than 4.4 | Mar 09 06:23 |
| nisshh | thus, many programs have to be modified for it | Mar 09 06:24 |
| nisshh | since C programmers are lazy and dont care about deprecation or warnings :) | Mar 09 06:24 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: hmm ok | Mar 09 06:25 |
| oiaohm | nisshh: each gcc works in progression. | Mar 09 06:25 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.0 made many bad things warnings. | Mar 09 06:25 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, yes, of course, thats one reason im not a C coder :) | Mar 09 06:25 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: So want some Oneirc Ocelot? | Mar 09 06:25 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.2 made many of those things errors with flags to over ride. | Mar 09 06:25 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.4 made many of those bad things not build. | Mar 09 06:26 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, eh, no thanks, ill just stick to calling it ubuntu :) | Mar 09 06:26 |
| oiaohm | Is just that cycle extending. | Mar 09 06:26 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, i have recently jumped on the perl bandwagon | Mar 09 06:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Metagrobolised, gruntulous noses - http://bit.ly/ey9gJY words, words, words #language | Mar 09 06:26 | |
| oiaohm | Really I am a C coder nisshh | Mar 09 06:26 |
| nisshh | perl is a very nice language | Mar 09 06:26 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: Ubuntu, maybe it should be called Unity instead | Mar 09 06:26 |
| oiaohm | gcc really does not annoy me. | Mar 09 06:27 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, cool | Mar 09 06:27 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: after all that's what Ubuntu is going to be now really, Unity | Mar 09 06:27 |
| nisshh | oh it doesnt really annoy me oiaohm, its just C in general is not to my taste | Mar 09 06:27 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: yeah screw the backend, let's call it all Unity now, after all hey, that's what the average user only really cares about with them knowing they do anyway, you know a good user interface | Mar 09 06:27 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah I mean, the average user only really cares about the user interface mainly | Mar 09 06:27 |
| sebsebseb | they are ignorant to OS backends | Mar 09 06:27 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, if that :) | Mar 09 06:28 |
| oiaohm | Because I use to run static analysis over my programs anyhow nisshh | Mar 09 06:28 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, most users dont even care about the UI | Mar 09 06:28 |
| sebsebseb | they just want a user interface for the apps they want to run, for quite a lot of them, nearly any interface is good enough really | Mar 09 06:28 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome 2 | Mar 09 06:28 |
| sebsebseb | KDE | Mar 09 06:28 |
| sebsebseb | Windows, Mac OS X | Mar 09 06:28 |
| oiaohm | What gcc is finding now my other tools have been screaming at me for a while. nisshh | Mar 09 06:28 |
| sebsebseb | LXDE, XFCE | Mar 09 06:28 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Mar 09 06:28 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: exactly | Mar 09 06:28 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, yeah | Mar 09 06:28 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: so nearly any interface is good enough for them, like I was just saying | Mar 09 06:28 |
| sebsebseb | as long as they can use the programs they want to run | Mar 09 06:28 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, they want it to Just Work | Mar 09 06:29 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: yep | Mar 09 06:29 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and my brothers for example, only really want to use Firefox most of the time, so yep other computer with KDE and Gnome 2, and the old preview of Gnome Shell in Mandriva 2010.2 and probably for quite a while | Mar 09 06:29 |
| sebsebseb | I may not bother upgrading to Mandriva 2011 this year on that one | Mar 09 06:29 |
| sebsebseb | or Mageia 1 in the summer either | Mar 09 06:29 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: so yeah | Mar 09 06:29 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and my brothers got Linux Mint 9 based on Ubuntu 10.04 on his lap top since Jan, and I think I realy did make a good distro choice there | Mar 09 06:30 |
| sebsebseb | it's doing auto log in as well, even though I installed other things as well, but he just wants to use FIrefox most of the time anyway like I was saying | Mar 09 06:30 |
| oiaohm | http://ctuning.org/wiki/index.php?title=CTools:CTuningCC A commonly unknown feature you can link into gcc | Mar 09 06:31 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and Canonical think the average user will like Unity, hmm well yes and no to that depending on who they are, but Unity is a fancy interface as well realy, average user can get by with something basic like Windows or Mac OS X, so yeah Gnome 2 or KDE for example | Mar 09 06:31 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, yeah, like my bro, he likes minimalist stuff, so he really likes Linux and he also does mechatronics (engineering + electronics = robotics) so he likes how easy it is to write code on linux as well | Mar 09 06:31 |
| sebsebseb | and I showed my little brother the old Gnome Shell preview a few times or whatever now | Mar 09 06:32 |
| oiaohm | nisshh: Linux is predictable. | Mar 09 06:32 |
| sebsebseb | and he didn't seem interested at all really | Mar 09 06:32 |
| oiaohm | If you screw something up you can always trace it to you. | Mar 09 06:32 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, in some ways, yes | Mar 09 06:32 |
| oiaohm | Windows all the blackbox drivers and all the black box parts. | Mar 09 06:32 |
| oiaohm | Is it your code or theres. | Mar 09 06:33 |
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| sebsebseb | nisshh: also removing features they are really used to, such as maximise and minimise like Gnome Shell has done now, probably isn't really the best idea for these users, even if they aren't really needed the buttons for that | Mar 09 06:33 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: also moving to the left in that odd order which is what happended when Ubuntu 10.04 was in development, yep not a good idea for the average user | Mar 09 06:33 |
| sebsebseb | then when I upgraded the Ubuntu 9.10 install that was on that computer to 10.04, for some reason it changed the buttons on my brother's account to the left, even though the old brown human theme :) the version before 9.10 | Mar 09 06:34 |
| sebsebseb | and he basically asked why they were on the left, I explained why, and he asked me to change back | Mar 09 06:34 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, yeah, although for someone who has never used a computer before, i would say it would not be bad in that use case | Mar 09 06:34 |
| nisshh | yeah | Mar 09 06:34 |
| sebsebseb | for someoen who hasn't used a computer before, sure Gnome Shell will be great, but pretty much nearly any other interface would be as well really | Mar 09 06:34 |
| sebsebseb | also for those of us who can accept change, good stuff :) | Mar 09 06:35 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, the thing i think is bad is the inconsistency, with other themes, since they all switch the buttons back | Mar 09 06:35 |
| sebsebseb | anyway most of the whineing has been about the maximise and minimise being removed, well the buttons for, can still do it in other ways | Mar 09 06:35 |
| sebsebseb | however shut down was removed from the menu on top right or whatever as welll, and I haven't seen complaining about that hmm or hardly any | Mar 09 06:35 |
| sebsebseb | well I saw a little about that, but not much at all hmm | Mar 09 06:35 |
| sebsebseb | that's important as well really have a shut down where it should be :) | Mar 09 06:36 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Gnome shell vs KDE netbook | Mar 09 06:36 |
| sebsebseb | on the other hand, take my little brother for example, he would just press the power button on the computer useually, and switch off like that | Mar 09 06:36 |
| sebsebseb | which is something that annoyeed me, when I had Ubuntu 10.04 on there, and set up to use the old Gnome icons :) | Mar 09 06:36 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, tbh, i am neither for nor against GNOME removing the buttons, since a) i never used them, i used the keyboard and b) it would affect people from windows and mac | Mar 09 06:36 |
| sebsebseb | which is one thing I liked about Ubuntu 10.04, for whatever reason/s it would show the old Gnome icons, instead of the new ones, that really it was meant to show since upstream | Mar 09 06:37 |
| nisshh | yeah | Mar 09 06:37 |
| oiaohm | http://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/ << This is kde mininal interface. | Mar 09 06:37 |
| sebsebseb | I used to really like the look of the old log out button, and some extent shut down even, and lock screen was ok, I know this sounds geekey, but hey whatever I am a computer geek or whatever so :D | Mar 09 06:37 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, do you also happen to know if libunity has bindings for other languages? | Mar 09 06:37 |
| sebsebseb | and I strongly disliked the new buttons for Gnome 3 and Gnome Shell, for shutdown, and to some extent maybe lock screen | Mar 09 06:38 |
| sebsebseb | in fact I still think this new shut down icon is a joke really, but | Mar 09 06:38 |
| sebsebseb | well I am more used to it now | Mar 09 06:38 |
| sebsebseb | hmm that's a point Gnome Shell won't show this ugly joke shut down icon I guess then :D hmm | Mar 09 06:38 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, what does the new shutdown icon look like? | Mar 09 06:38 |
| sebsebseb | even so though there should be shut down as part of the Gnome Shell interface | Mar 09 06:38 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: you can see it in | Mar 09 06:38 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu | Mar 09 06:39 |
| sebsebseb | 10.10 | Mar 09 06:39 |
| sebsebseb | or 11.04 even with Gnome 2 and if you set it up to show the icons in the system menu oh and remove | Mar 09 06:39 |
| sebsebseb | their horrible, patch on the top right | Mar 09 06:39 |
| nisshh | yah' | Mar 09 06:39 |
| sebsebseb | the me menu being linked to the power management or whatever | Mar 09 06:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @psquid @gomerx The hardest thing I have to do today is wake up, and I have done it. Win! | Mar 09 06:40 | |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: uh I am behind on identica :( | Mar 09 06:40 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, i personally never use the menu's in the top right, since i do nearly everything in the terminal now | Mar 09 06:40 |
| sebsebseb | I wanted to catch up on dents, but I got a problem | Mar 09 06:40 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: ok so did you remove those horrible patchs on top right then? :) | Mar 09 06:40 |
| nisshh | i even shutdown/reboot from the command line | Mar 09 06:40 |
| nisshh | no i didnt | Mar 09 06:40 |
| nisshh | i just left them there | Mar 09 06:40 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: remove it then | Mar 09 06:40 |
| nisshh | i figured if i removed them | Mar 09 06:40 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: and go to gconf-editor and do the menus have icons option | Mar 09 06:40 |
| nisshh | i would break something | Mar 09 06:40 |
| sebsebseb | in interface I think it is | Mar 09 06:41 |
| sebsebseb | then you can see what I am on about :D | Mar 09 06:41 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is even starting to cut the menus out of applications and place them like apple. | Mar 09 06:41 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, im talking about on 10.10 not Unity :) | Mar 09 06:41 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: if you remove what I am telling you to remove, it removes those horrible Gnome patches to Ubuntu :) | Mar 09 06:41 |
| sebsebseb | and things go like before | Mar 09 06:41 |
| sebsebseb | and I am talking about 10.10 right now as well | Mar 09 06:41 |
| sebsebseb | Gnome 2 in 10.10 | Mar 09 06:41 |
| oiaohm | The very thing I cannot stand about apple is that the menu is always on the top of screen. | Mar 09 06:41 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, good thing i barely use them then | Mar 09 06:41 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: also you know that lame, do you really want to shut down or re boot feature? | Mar 09 06:42 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: remove the patches I am on about, and get the nice auto shut down feature back :) | Mar 09 06:42 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, i have NO idea what your on about :) | Mar 09 06:42 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: ok in Ubuntu 10.10 | Mar 09 06:42 |
| sebsebseb | with Gnome 2 | Mar 09 06:42 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: remove the me menu :) | Mar 09 06:42 |
| sebsebseb | step 1 | Mar 09 06:42 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: you asked me how to see these new GNome icons, and I am telling you how :D | Mar 09 06:43 |
| sebsebseb | then there's an option in gconf-editor for adding icons back :) in the system menu | Mar 09 06:43 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, i was hoping for more of a screenshot, i hate screwing with the UI, its boring :) | Mar 09 06:44 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: excuses | Mar 09 06:44 |
| nisshh | no, i swear, i would rather code in C# than do crap with the me menu | Mar 09 06:44 |
| nisshh | :) | Mar 09 06:44 |
| *sebsebseb thinks nisshh is sounding like a noob, no offence, but uhmm you sound a bit like, OH NO, if I remove this , my whole Ubuntu may mess up | Mar 09 06:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sq | Mar 09 06:45 | |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: dude what I want you to do, takes about a minute | Mar 09 06:45 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, no, im not afraid of messing it up, i honestly dont care about the GUI enough to fiddle with it\ | Mar 09 06:45 |
| oiaohm | nisshh: So just move distribution instead? | Mar 09 06:45 |
| nisshh | what? | Mar 09 06:46 |
| nisshh | oh | Mar 09 06:46 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, seriously thinking about it :) | Mar 09 06:46 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, i have taken a liking to Arch tbh | Mar 09 06:46 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: he's an Ubuntu Community Member, but doesn't seem to be 100% happy being one anymore :) | Mar 09 06:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Universal plug and play (UPnP) is used to realize the intellectual interconnection." - from the Huawei E5 Settings. #notkidding #engrish | Mar 09 06:46 | |
| *sebsebseb would be ashamed if he was an Ubuntu Community Member since the current direction of Ubuntu, but well 1. I am not going to apply to be one, 2. unlikely I would become one if I did | Mar 09 06:46 | |
| oiaohm | I went threw the 8 OS installed at once stage. | Mar 09 06:47 |
| oiaohm | At about 10 years into using Linux. | Mar 09 06:47 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: 8 OS ? | Mar 09 06:47 |
| nisshh | ah yes | Mar 09 06:47 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, at one point last year, i had gentoo, arch, ubuntu and debian installed on one hard drive | Mar 09 06:47 |
| nisshh | since then i havent really tried other distro's | Mar 09 06:48 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: Mandriva, PC Linux OS | Mar 09 06:48 |
| oiaohm | Windows BSD freedos BeOS quite a few others that a non existant now | Mar 09 06:48 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: maybe even make your own distro based on Unity Linux :d | Mar 09 06:48 |
| sebsebseb | well using Unity Linux | Mar 09 06:48 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, heh, no thanks | Mar 09 06:48 |
| sebsebseb | Unity Linux was based on Mandriva, can be used as a distro, but is really more of a distro builder | Mar 09 06:48 |
| oiaohm | Its a natural state of Linux world development. | Mar 09 06:48 |
| sebsebseb | meant to make making remasters really easy | Mar 09 06:48 |
| oiaohm | You get that I want better and going searching. | Mar 09 06:49 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, all i have open at the moment is a terminal and firefox | Mar 09 06:49 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: plus nice people from that community, who seem to know quite a lot about Linux | Mar 09 06:49 |
| nisshh | its all i have open most of the time | Mar 09 06:49 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: Linux Mint you could go for | Mar 09 06:49 |
| sebsebseb | :D | Mar 09 06:49 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, get fucked :) | Mar 09 06:49 |
| nisshh | LM's for noobs | Mar 09 06:49 |
| oiaohm | I stick more in the enterprise classes of stuff. | Mar 09 06:49 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, what do you use on your main PC? | Mar 09 06:50 |
| oiaohm | Currently Debian that I installed clean 15 years ago and have just migrated between machines ever since. | Mar 09 06:50 |
| oiaohm | And updated along the way. | Mar 09 06:50 |
| nisshh | so you mostly run debian? | Mar 09 06:50 |
| oiaohm | I normally have openvz kernel loaded. | Mar 09 06:51 |
| oiaohm | So I can have server testing setups for scientific linux and centos | Mar 09 06:51 |
| nisshh | nice | Mar 09 06:52 |
| oiaohm | At the moment I have not done anything embed in a while so I don't have a openembed laying around. | Mar 09 06:52 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: uhmm well heh heh your calling Linux Mint for noobs, which it is really sure, but so is Ubuntu, that's really for noobs | Mar 09 06:52 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, i have the predicament where i really like apt and .debs and such, but i want a distro like Arch :) | Mar 09 06:53 |
| oiaohm | Been threw that stage. nisshh | Mar 09 06:53 |
| nisshh | sebsebseb, ok, ok, fine | Mar 09 06:53 |
| nisshh | oiaohm, what did you end up doing? | Mar 09 06:53 |
| oiaohm | Notice I running rpm and deb I really don't care that much any more about package manager. | Mar 09 06:53 |
| oiaohm | Its the packages that they work is key. | Mar 09 06:53 |
| nisshh | yeah | Mar 09 06:54 |
| oiaohm | Also I do run a bit of jackaudio stuff for fun. | Mar 09 06:54 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah same here, I don't care, if the distro uses RPM or DEB or whatever, as long as I can install the software, and as long as the software worsk | Mar 09 06:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Crowdsourcing Project: Broadcasting & Sharing local tech events via the airwaves with the Air Local channel http://mzl.la/ek9Xz0 | Mar 09 06:55 | |
| sebsebseb | works | Mar 09 06:55 |
| oiaohm | And ubuntu is getting to the stage of playing loto. | Mar 09 06:56 |
| sebsebseb | playing loto ???? | Mar 09 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Most risky distribution I run is Fedora. | Mar 09 06:56 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: loto if the application you just installed still works as per manual. | Mar 09 06:56 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Ie not a good thing to be playing loto with. | Mar 09 06:57 |
| sebsebseb | I don't understand you at the moment oiaohm or not properly | Mar 09 06:58 |
| oiaohm | loto/gambling if the program will work. | Mar 09 06:59 |
| oiaohm | I don't like gambling with software sebsebseb | Mar 09 06:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RHQ Project 4.0 beta out. It's a a systems management suite. http://rhq-project.org/display/RHQ/Home #fb | Mar 09 07:00 | |
| sebsebseb | sure same here, I just want the software to work | Mar 09 07:00 |
| oiaohm | me refering to a distribution with stage of playing loto is a major insult to its quality. | Mar 09 07:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] April 6-8 in San Francisco The !linux foundation will kick off Linux' 20th anniversary celebrations. http://ur1.ca/3fpwk | Mar 09 07:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] SWIFT-Daten weiterhin unkontrolliert - http://bit.ly/dLu0FD what a total disgrace #swift #privacy #surveillance | Mar 09 07:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Vendor-Sec !linux security mailing list server hacked: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2011/03/03/3 | Mar 09 07:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-Piracy Group Say Police Have Arrested “Elite Pirate” - http://bit.ly/eoDxVb so this one has a wooden leg and parrot on his shoulder... | Mar 09 07:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @glynmoody: Anti-Piracy Group Say Police Arrested “Elite Pirate” http://bit.ly/eoDxVb < So obvious these people have no sense of humour | Mar 09 07:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu Quick tip: Enable full screen Dash in Ubuntu 11.04 desktop http://goo.gl/MdgYm !Unity | Mar 09 07:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Just !listening 2 Gappy Ranks - Pumpkin Belly - awesome old reggae track. Everyone should hear it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TInstwOBDj0 | Mar 09 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Anonymous Operation Payback to BMI … 'You should have expected us' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49848 | Mar 09 07:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Canadian team says it can ID anonymous emails. 'Good enough for a court of law' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49849 | Mar 09 07:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Breaking: #Zynga files for trademark on the word “Ville” in Europe - http://bit.ly/fGyAC9 that'll go down well in #france | Mar 09 07:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh It's common in Psychology, but rare otherwise (family members are in that area) | Mar 09 07:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Stupid #EU #cookie law will hand the advantage to the US, kill our #startups stone dead - http://bit.ly/gPZeBi maladroit | Mar 09 07:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: 'Global warming' vs. 'climate change': terminology matters - http://bit.ly/g4QV68 not too surprising, perhaps | Mar 09 07:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: China to realize online train ticket booking with real-name system - http://bit.ly/hDjud1 whoa... #surveillance | Mar 09 07:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: #Android now more profitable than #iOS for well-known game developer http://bit.ly/eXalMB "Android has become our primary ... | Mar 09 07:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong" - http://bit.ly/e6sD3m an unpredictable player #copyright | Mar 09 07:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid but is anyone really confident in pronouncing it? I'm certainly not :) | Mar 09 07:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice to see AdaFruit mentioning "The Open Source Way" http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/03/08/the-open-source-way/ #fb | Mar 09 07:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid It's like Supererogatory - I can just about spell it but I wouldn't want to say it too often :) | Mar 09 07:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Installing openSUSE 11.4 (KDE Live CD) on my Athlon XP deskop ATM. Final Release tomorrow. http://ur1.ca/3fbyh | Mar 09 07:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Oh-hoooo Oneir Weaver..... I believe you can get me through the ni-hi-iiiight. :P | Mar 09 07:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid the other thing is: Ocelots are not dreamy; they're fast and springy :) | Mar 09 07:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh Let the replacement of the word Dream(y) for Oneir(ic) on !identica commence :) | Mar 09 07:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh @psquid @silner @jargon Oh-hoooo Oneir Weaver..... I believe you can get me through the ni-hi-iiiight. :P | Mar 09 07:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] So, is the end of Gaddafi merely hours away? http://english.aljazeera.net//news/africa/2011/03/20113911921436551.html #fb | Mar 09 07:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] dunno whether to hope #Miliband is removed before the election or not, he's hopeless. None of the main parties deserves power. #Labour | Mar 09 08:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @rrix +100 | Mar 09 08:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2011-03-09: 'No sysadmin' is the key to Freedom Box "The Freedom Box project will succeed or fail on ... http://wmk.me/hrlKWp | Mar 09 08:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if #Miliband is removed, they're still the party which brought us such illegal wars as #Iraq. Until #Blair is in Hague I won't vote #Labour | Mar 09 08:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @jargon i really hate it when the unreliability of others make me seem unreliable to others. #smfh | Mar 09 08:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] La industria del copyright ha perdido el beneficio de la duda - http://bit.ly/fJTJxZ good post on the important #SSRC piracy study #mexico | Mar 09 08:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] having fun discovering new foods in my new home .. example for the day: basler leckerli. yum! | Mar 09 08:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Miliband sounds like a lil posh boy who's parents bought him a place in the school play, and all he can do is fluff his lines, no timing | Mar 09 08:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] he can't even adapt to what's being said to him, he just carries on with his prescripted retort, which tends to be way too long, & not funny | Mar 09 08:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] from a kid in a school play you'd say "aww bless, he's trying" but as a potential PM? ya gotta be kiddin' | Mar 09 08:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] tr @glynmoody The copyright industry has lost the benefit of the doubt - http://bit.ly/fJTJxZ gd post on important #mexico SSRC piracy study | Mar 09 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it #opensource | Mar 09 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] careful with the #Minecraft chat, the #FBI will be demanding a secret police station in every world next, complete with interrogation cells | Mar 09 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Ubuntu #Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release - http://bit.ly/fjX9Bg "no longer a need for a separate netbook edition" | Mar 09 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #abgeordnetenwatch: #HerbertMertin #fdp http://ur1.ca/3fqxv und #StefanPohl #cdu über Freie Software !fs im Auswärtigen Amt #bundesleaks | Mar 09 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Canonical blog: !Ubuntu Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release http://goo.gl/NLp3T | Mar 09 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tesco heralds 2011 as YEAR OF ANDROID - http://bit.ly/hVNa6x the people have spoken #tesco #android | Mar 09 08:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] So What Was Decided With S3TC & Floating Points For Mesa: Last week I mentioned that a developer called for a di... http://bit.ly/hxqYVK | Mar 09 08:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it ... | Mar 09 08:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @webmink links for 2011-03-09: 'No sysadmin' is the key to Freedom Box "The Freedom Box project will succeed or fail on ... http://w ... | Mar 09 08:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] openSUSE 11.4 can't manage a network connection after installation (worked well in the Live session). Replacing it by Kubuntu "Natty" Alpha3 | Mar 09 08:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: Tesco heralds 2011 as YEAR OF ANDROID - http://bit.ly/hVNa6x the people have spoken #tesco #android | Mar 09 08:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is this the year of #Linux in the pocket? ;P | Mar 09 08:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @codepope yes, probably | Mar 09 08:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Freedom sacrificed for an easy life in Apple’s Brave New World - http://bit.ly/fuvruu good to see more oar-sticking (v @jmcesteves @cathfie) | Mar 09 08:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @glynmoody: Freedom sacrificed for an easy life in Apple’s Brave New World - http://bit.ly/fuvruu good to see more oar-sticking | Mar 09 08:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: Ben tijdens de carnavalsdagen bij mijn broer Ger http://ur1.ca/3frfv geweest. Heerlijk zitten hacken en klooien. | Mar 09 08:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Good afternoon !Identiverse my day has been alright so far, and this is my first dent from !ElmDentica | Mar 09 08:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: heb KDE SC 4.6 op Ubuntu 10.10 laptop geïnstaleerd. Het was echt even hacken en klooien om een consistente desktop omgeving te krijgen. | Mar 09 08:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: maar het is gelukt en ik ben er ontzettend van onder de indruk en trots op. Ubuntu 10.10 heeft namelijk wel een Nvidia binary blob :-) | Mar 09 08:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense. | Mar 09 08:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: heb openSUSE 11.4 KDE RC gisteren gedownload, werkte niet vanaf USB stick. Vandaag geïnstalleerd op dekstop. | Mar 09 08:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Whoops forgot the :) after !ElmDentica in my previous dent to the !elmdentica and !identiverse groups. | Mar 09 08:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: openSUSE kon geen netwerk verbinding maken. Ben nu Kubuntu "Natty" Alpha 3 weer aan het installeren (installatie had ik verklooid). | Mar 09 08:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Crime writer makes a fortune selling ebooks at 99c http://tighturl.com/2zrk I smell the future of ebooks, and it is good | Mar 09 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] People from !identiverse and !elmdentica: Elmdentica seems to be an ok client so far, but I don't like how I can't hit enter to send dents. | Mar 09 09:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] How to become an amazing contributor (to an open source project) | http://bit.ly/ia8Sah #participate | Mar 09 09:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb thanks for using !elmdentica :) Do you use it on the desktop? Its more oriented towards touchscreens... however I'll look into it | Mar 09 09:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !elmdentica and !identiverse people not that keen that I have to click to type a dent, after clicking the post button, but no big deal :). | Mar 09 09:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb not true I asked: Do you use it on the desktop? Its more oriented towards touchscreens... however I'll look into it. !identiverse | Mar 09 09:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb If you press and hold on a status, buttons will show up with actions (like reply). !elmdentica | Mar 09 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://alturl.com/r27ou !wl | Mar 09 09:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @doctorow: #Fuckyeah new #raygun http://tinyurl.com/6juyysv #klockwerks #steampunk #rogerwood | Mar 09 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: Discussing more with @_the_mad_hatter in comments at http://BillC32.ca/5293 : who is posting using @CopyrightCanada ? | Mar 09 09:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Gentoo Linux LiveDVD 11.0 released http://lwn.net/Articles/432357/rss | Mar 09 09:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] March CC News: Where did our $ come from in 2010? plus round-up of other developments: http://bit.ly/eBZJ84 | Mar 09 09:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter I want "none of the above" to be an option on the ballot paper, the reason it's not is that it'd win too many seats | Mar 09 09:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] HBR Blog: Open Source Software Hits a Strategic Tipping Point - http://bit.ly/edmujF really? - who would have thought...? (v @mmilinkov) | Mar 09 09:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Lily Allen may well be the most brilliant marketer of the age http://ping.fm/O6wwy | Mar 09 09:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google Chrome 10 Released, A Robust Progress in Speed (TechOncept): http://bit.ly/gbnacD | Mar 09 09:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mozilla Moves On - http://bit.ly/i0nwSl new CEO explains how #Mozilla will save the Web - again #webapps #firefox | Mar 09 09:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] mint "likes" over #!? at Reddit http://ping.fm/CGr30 | Mar 09 09:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Every #HP PC shipped next year will have #webOS - http://zd.net/eIt8VA "shipped with" or "able to run"? makes a difference #linux (v @sjvn) | Mar 09 09:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !LibreOffice: an excellent open source productivity suite reviewed (briefly) at Onsoftware http://ping.fm/RsY2e | Mar 09 09:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] NYTimes exclusive: Julian Assange, Cat Hater http://is.gd/65eH0P !wl | Mar 09 09:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! apparently http://ping.fm/H5r4b | Mar 09 09:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense. | Mar 09 09:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! apparently http://ping.fm/H5r4b I'm sceptical | Mar 09 09:53 | |
| GoForbes28 | Quote of the day: | Mar 09 09:54 |
| GoForbes28 | "We need our development teams focused on content and cool features, not anti-piracy technology." | Mar 09 09:54 |
| GoForbes28 | - Frank Pearce, Blizzard co-founder on the obvious | Mar 09 09:54 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @greve: RT @kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense. | Mar 09 09:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android App writers ignore Open Sauce licensing - TechEye http://ping.fm/Tc2yO | Mar 09 09:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica - Daydream and discipline: !Ubuntu 11.10 codenamed #Oneiric Ocelot http://goo.gl/oGh0Y | Mar 09 10:00 | |
| MinceR | so when are they going to do that? :> | Mar 09 10:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Chrome 10 released http://lwn.net/Articles/432366/rss | Mar 09 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] binary playhouse: !RedHat should have invested in a #BSD http://ping.fm/KCNcs | Mar 09 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Apologies if you've seen one of two of these old stories before. I'm catching up | Mar 09 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0... http://bit.ly/gRHQOj | Mar 09 10:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: NYTimes exclusive: Julian Assange, Cat Hater http://is.gd/65eH0P http://bit.ly/e8f5lP | Mar 09 10:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Is it possible to make !Elmdentica look less dark? Is it possible to attach files? | Mar 09 10:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !RedHat Fights Back and I'm still undecided. I suppose they had to do it really? http://ping.fm/ZL9cU | Mar 09 10:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] RT @opencourselib: Adult Basic Ed eLearning Expansion Grant materials developed by WA CTCs will all be CC BY licensed http://bit.ly/gYuex6 | Mar 09 10:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: The end of Ubuntu Netbook edition http://goo.gl/2NXDk | Mar 09 10:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Chrome 10 brings Flash sandboxing and new settings UI http://goo.gl/X6hYT !chromium | Mar 09 10:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @ubuntuone A new look. What do you think? http://bit.ly/faAhv8 | Mar 09 10:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Video release: Minecraft Adventures 3 - The Quest for Coal > http://outl.ws/hJ32Rb #minecraft #linuxoutlaws | Mar 09 10:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !UbuntuOne will get a new look soon: http://goo.gl/nCVly !u | Mar 09 10:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Rulings in #PS3 #jailbreaking suit should worry you | TechRepublic http://ping.fm/SBtmk | Mar 09 10:18 | |
| GoForbes28 | haha | Mar 09 10:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] HP unifies software support services (Network World): http://bit.ly/fSkFXW | Mar 09 10:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Physics of Pruney Fingers Revealed by Lisa Grossman http://ping.fm/bbJta | Mar 09 10:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] HTML5 in the Web browser: HTML5 forms (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/eMnAqi | Mar 09 10:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] VMware buys Java app dev toolmaker WaveMaker (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/hmAcZc | Mar 09 10:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !perl script to import posts from Wordpress to Whird: @corenominal http://ur1.ca/3fsus | Mar 09 10:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: The new !UbuntuOne logo is beautiful http://goo.gl/QazYa | Mar 09 10:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Facebook Is AOLifying the Internet: http://gizmo.do/gObueI | Mar 09 10:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Very Difficult Problem of Notifications (The Brooks Review): http://bit.ly/hpkQYC (via @techmeme) | Mar 09 10:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google VP8: "Bali" to offer faster encoding (H): http://bit.ly/hqJpFM | Mar 09 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Gentoo Linux 11 released (H): http://bit.ly/dRpDVL | Mar 09 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @toros Beautiful? Well.... Let's say it's simple... | Mar 09 10:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: Report Confirms Gang Rapes at Canadian-Controlled PNG Mine - http://bit.ly/hosfUq | Mar 09 10:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ninapaley: Mimi and Eunice: What Did We Do Before Laws? http://j.mp/fVQFoZ | Mar 09 10:31 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Microsoft developers at work, my friends! | Mar 09 10:36 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-milestone-2-build-screenshot-leaked-features-new-up-button-in-explorer-and-improvement-in-windows-update/ | Mar 09 10:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Wow, I think I may faint from the drastic changes | Mar 09 10:36 |
| GoForbes28 | [/sarcasm] | Mar 09 10:36 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-milestone-3-build-7910-screenshots-leaked-windows-live-id-integration-factory-restore-windows-app-store-and-much-more/ | Mar 09 10:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] Coming in 2.6.38 (Part 6) - Drivers http://h-online.com/-1202826 #linux #kernel #2638 #alsa #v4l #staging #input #hid | Mar 09 10:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TanyaHuff: Amazon has listed a book I haven't quite entirely finished writing yet. Their faith in me is truly touching. | Mar 09 10:38 | |
| MinceR | whoa | Mar 09 10:39 |
| GoForbes28 | In the time it took to implement these "improvements", I think there has been at least two Fedora releases | Mar 09 10:39 |
| MinceR | m$ invented the up button just now? :> | Mar 09 10:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah | Mar 09 10:39 |
| GoForbes28 | If you used Classic Shell, then this change drops to completely meaningless | Mar 09 10:39 |
| MinceR | and imagine that there are people who take these announcements seriously | Mar 09 10:40 |
| GoForbes28 | Should I dent this with a sarcastic tagline? | Mar 09 10:40 |
| MinceR | yes | Mar 09 10:40 |
| MinceR | though you might need sarcasm markers | Mar 09 10:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thistleweb: @themadhatter I want "none of the above" to be an option on the ballot, the reason it's not is that it'd win too many seats | Mar 09 10:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] The Consumer’s Dilemma License - recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries for the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqt | Mar 09 10:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] #Facebook and Civil Disobedience in #Vietnam http://ur1.ca/3ft2z #tpn #anon #piracy #freespeech | Mar 09 10:41 | |
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| GoForbes28 | yep, don't want people to actually think | Mar 09 10:43 |
| MinceR | rather, don't want m$ fanboys to redent it | Mar 09 10:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @joshourisman: @_the_mad_hatter @doctorow Squamous Shoggoth seems more appropriate. | Mar 09 10:45 | |
| GoForbes28 | well, it should be here in a sec | Mar 09 10:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @webmink: The Consumer’s Dilemma License recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries 4 the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqt | Mar 09 10:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] Look at these drastic Win8 enhancements![/sarcasm] (http://tinyurl.com/69zeq65) A folder-UP button. Wow! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqzmtz) | Mar 09 10:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @stoppableforce: @_the_mad_hatter @doctorow Followed by Belligerent Byakhee and Gibbering Ghoul? | Mar 09 10:46 | |
| GoForbes28 | actually, if they did redent it enough, people may realize the scam | Mar 09 10:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 09 10:46 |
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| GoForbes28 | I think that gets the point across, no? | Mar 09 10:48 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 09 10:48 |
| GoForbes28 | I was thinking doing a followup, like "Only the level of innovation we've come to expect from Micro$oft (R)." | Mar 09 10:50 |
| GoForbes28 | But maybe that would be too much | Mar 09 10:51 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 10:51 |
| GoForbes28 | Is that a yes? | Mar 09 10:52 |
| MinceR | not sure if it would be too much, i don't know | Mar 09 10:52 |
| GoForbes28 | well, I'll give it some time | Mar 09 10:52 |
| GoForbes28 | no need to rush | Mar 09 10:52 |
| cubexyz | I'm sure windows 8 will run great on my 486 :) | Mar 09 10:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] The Consumer's Dilemma - Funniest thing I've read today: http://bit.ly/gXrALk #humor #copyright #piracy | Mar 09 10:53 | |
| GoForbes28 | 486 FTW! | Mar 09 10:53 |
| GoForbes28 | BTW, funny story | Mar 09 10:53 |
| GoForbes28 | the site where those "leaks" are posted is www.askvg.com | Mar 09 10:53 |
| GoForbes28 | The guy who runs it is a Microsot MVP | Mar 09 10:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Who also apparently makes a lot of Windows 7 themes | Mar 09 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: MinceR Apparnatly Windows 8 or whatever it will be called, will get multi desktops, well about time for Microsoft | Mar 09 10:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Cisco to stay out of the services business - Computerworld http://bit.ly/fKbdZh | Mar 09 10:55 | |
| cubexyz | actually I'm saddened by the OEM lock-in still | Mar 09 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | about time Microsoft has work spaces in Windows | Mar 09 10:55 |
| GoForbes28 | I once asked him simply how to add outlines to the text in the taskbar to make them more readable, and he says I don't know | Mar 09 10:55 |
| cubexyz | I was in Staples the other day :-/ | Mar 09 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | one of the most asked for features by Linux people for years now I guess :D | Mar 09 10:55 |
| GoForbes28 | A microsoft MVP who specializes in themes, can't answer a simple question that I ended finding out later | Mar 09 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: MinceR anyway if Windows 8 (or whatever it will be called) doesn't sell that well, and many people remain on XP, well they got a problem really | Mar 09 10:55 |
| abeNd-org | you have a 486 that still works? i held onto my original computer (486dx2-80) as long as i could, but even the isa/vlb slots stopped working after awhile | Mar 09 10:55 |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, yup | Mar 09 10:56 |
| GoForbes28 | and this isn't a astetic thing either, without the outline, the taskbar font is unreadable on light backgrounds | Mar 09 10:56 |
| cubexyz | 486SLC2 50 mhz | Mar 09 10:56 |
| GoForbes28 | another GUI achievement for M$ | Mar 09 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: MinceR people don't like being forced to upgrade, and well that's what is meant to be happening in April 2014 really, but quite a few will use Windows XP unsupported anyway I guess by then, and many will be open to alternative OS's | Mar 09 10:56 |
| abeNd-org | im noticing with most of my customers that they are making the move to win7 from xp, mostly since they can't really buy xp anymore | Mar 09 10:56 |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, there are computers from the late 1970's that still work | Mar 09 10:57 |
| GoForbes28 | People who I know who run Windows 7 or Vista do so because it came with their laptops | Mar 09 10:57 |
| cubexyz | e.g. Commodore PET | Mar 09 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | XP is alright really, once it's pretty bad security has been properly taken care of, and no I don't mean anti virus and anti spyware programs heh heh, I mean limited accounts, and possibily a sandbox, and a more secure browser such as Firefox | Mar 09 10:57 |
| cubexyz | I don't even consider 486 to be that old | Mar 09 10:57 |
| MinceR | m$ doesn't seem to be able to improve on winblows xp | Mar 09 10:57 |
| MinceR | even though it sucks | Mar 09 10:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Sorry sebsebseb, Windows XP is flawed from the ground up | Mar 09 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah I guess that's pretty much true really | Mar 09 10:57 |
| cubexyz | the windows that sucked the least was win2k | Mar 09 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | altough I haven't tried out Windows 7 ever properly, but Vista yep | Mar 09 10:58 |
| cubexyz | it still sucked though :) | Mar 09 10:58 |
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| abeNd-org | cube sure, but most consumer grade 486s were pretty bad to begin with (packard bell?) | Mar 09 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | and I know Vista version 2, and Vista are both pretty similar really | Mar 09 10:58 |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, this was an IBM | Mar 09 10:58 |
| GoForbes28 | intergrating a browser into the operating system to the point of application dependencies is the stupidest design decision ever | Mar 09 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: I used to think WIndows 2000 was the best version of Windows, and for quite a while as well | Mar 09 10:58 |
| abeNd-org | right, no IE9 for windows xp right? | Mar 09 10:58 |
| MinceR | what did xp change compared to 2k? | Mar 09 10:58 |
| GoForbes28 | Windows 2000 when using FDV's fileset is tolerable | Mar 09 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: oh yeah IE9 apparnatly only for the next version of Windows or whatever | Mar 09 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: the theme and that was about it I Guess really | Mar 09 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | yeah XP better for eye candy, but other than that, pretty similar to 2000 | Mar 09 10:59 |
| abeNd-org | im trying the ie9 beta out on my win7-x64 box, it looks pretty much like opera | Mar 09 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | uh I said better for eye candy maybe not, I think 2000 was like WIndows 98 and loads of proper 3rd party themes coudl be used no problem and so on | Mar 09 10:59 |
| cubexyz | in a lot of ways Operating Systems are getting worse not better | Mar 09 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: a part of me wants to try IE 9 beta, but well ok I got Vista on here that I don't exactly boot up, espesaily since I lost the driver CD, so no sound | Mar 09 11:00 |
| cubexyz | but what saves things is Linux and you can just run old distros | Mar 09 11:00 |
| cubexyz | upgrading what you want | Mar 09 11:00 |
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| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: was going to vm XP, for something, not bothered yet, but anyway no IE9 for XP? | Mar 09 11:00 |
| GoForbes28 | cubexyz: except for free software ;) It definitely is getting better | Mar 09 11:01 |
| MinceR | some free software at least | Mar 09 11:01 |
| GoForbes28 | XP=eyecandy? I don't think so | Mar 09 11:01 |
| cubexyz | GoForbes28, I check out a new distro at least once per week | Mar 09 11:01 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if kde and gnome are getting better | Mar 09 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: sure and we can use Gnome 2 in like 10 years from now if we want to, even though it will hardly be supported by any distros anymore, if any really | Mar 09 11:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Flashback: Qaddafi blames !WikiLeaks > http://nyti.ms/fQMrwi | Mar 09 11:01 | |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: well I guess we can run Gnome 2 some how on a modern distro in 10 years time? | Mar 09 11:01 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, Free software that isn't being corrupted by corporate or proprietary interestes | Mar 09 11:01 |
| cubexyz | sebsebseb, well FC1 is from 2004 so I guess I have 3 years to go :) | Mar 09 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: Ubuntu is being corrupted by corporate interests? | Mar 09 11:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Mono mono, di-di | Mar 09 11:02 |
| cubexyz | BL3 is pretty old too | Mar 09 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: I read about one guy well quiting ast he Maryland loco leader, because of Canonical and so on | Mar 09 11:02 |
| GoForbes28 | sorry, just referencing those old caulking commercials | Mar 09 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | Canonical really are making Ubuntu into a product now, so true | Mar 09 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | it's not this distro where things were quite a lot about community before | Mar 09 11:03 |
| GoForbes28 | A mediocre product | Mar 09 11:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Patent trolls fatten up on vaguely worded patents (Ars): http://bit.ly/eKECJy | Mar 09 11:03 | |
| GoForbes28 | I think when judging the improvement of Free software, you have to look at every program overall | Mar 09 11:03 |
| cubexyz | I archive stuff a lot, you never know when old source code will disappear | Mar 09 11:03 |
| cubexyz | it was hard to find KDE 3.4.2 | Mar 09 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: I think I know what you mean | Mar 09 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | and bingo | Mar 09 11:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Sure, some programs/operating systems may become worst, but so long as Free software as a whole is improving, everything is good | Mar 09 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: ISO's start to disappear for old versions of distro's | Mar 09 11:04 |
| GoForbes28 | *worse | Mar 09 11:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Like short-run vs. long-run economics | Mar 09 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: at leat Ubuntu still provide their old ISO's though :) | Mar 09 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | of stable releases only though | Mar 09 11:05 |
| cubexyz | sebsebseb, right, the server admins delete the old stuff to make room | Mar 09 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu/Canonical above | Mar 09 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | Mint are keeping their old stable versions as well :) | Mar 09 11:05 |
| GoForbes28 | there are mirrors of old releases | Mar 09 11:05 |
| cubexyz | sebsebseb, but do the ISO's come with _all_ source? probably not | Mar 09 11:05 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, they also may have proprietary packages, ala Netscape and Adobe Reader | Mar 09 11:05 |
| cubexyz | try to find old KDE source, not easy | Mar 09 11:05 |
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| GoForbes28 | stupid mouse slips | Mar 09 11:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @johnkoetsier: Android now more profitable than iOS for well-known game developer http://bit.ly/eljOdz | Mar 09 11:10 | |
| GoForbes28 | any way to display previous IRC messages? | Mar 09 11:10 |
| cubexyz | there is the logs | Mar 09 11:10 |
| GoForbes28 | I mean on demand | Mar 09 11:11 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: this channel is publically logged, as for your client, well turn logging in or whatever if it's not already I guess | Mar 09 11:11 |
| cubexyz | http://maxhost.org/other/techrights.log | Mar 09 11:11 |
| cubexyz | should be up-to-date | Mar 09 11:11 |
| cubexyz | I'd use wget though, not the browser | Mar 09 11:12 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5677/196/ | Mar 09 11:12 |
| GoForbes28 | thanks, btw | Mar 09 11:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] The pulse of the Drupal community after 10 years | http://bit.ly/enQc9O #drupalcon #drupalchi | Mar 09 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Gentoo Linux 11.0 Released http://is.gd/wvgu5j #software #gnu #linux #microsoft #windows | Mar 09 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @arstechnica: Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong": http://t.co/2kH4dHr by @natexanderson | Mar 09 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @noyesk: Hackers versus Apple http://h-online.com/-1202598 #theh #security | Mar 09 11:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @noyesk: Death of the signing bonus: Open source recruitment works http://reg.cx/1N7k #opensource | Mar 09 11:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Large HDD/SSD Linux 2.6.38 File-System Comparison: Here are the results from our largest Linux file-system compa... http://bit.ly/g5pqGn | Mar 09 11:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @webmink: Consumer’s Dilemma License recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries for the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqt | Mar 09 11:18 | |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: no ie9 for xp from what i can tell | Mar 09 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: GoForbes28 well there wasn't going to be an IE 7 for XP, but then Firefox started gaining loads of market share | Mar 09 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | IE 7 was going to be only for Vista | Mar 09 11:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Apple patches critical #Mac bugs with #Java updates http://is.gd/jejEcp | Mar 09 11:20 | |
| abeNd-org | xp was still in the supported phase then, it is not now | Mar 09 11:20 |
| cubexyz | is XP EOL now? | Mar 09 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | now it's on extended support | Mar 09 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Mar 09 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: no | Mar 09 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: April 14 unless Microsoft extend again, and that's only SP3 | Mar 09 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | got extended by four years, was going to be EOL last year | Mar 09 11:20 |
| cubexyz | just checking... I wouldn't care at all but my customers might wish to know | Mar 09 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | and they want business leaving it by 2012 | Mar 09 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | from what I read before | Mar 09 11:21 |
| cubexyz | great, that should mean more Linux users | Mar 09 11:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jospoortvliet FOSS world must realize without collaboration !linux desktop goes nowhere. !gnome !kde wakeup call! http://bit.ly/gP7gE6 | Mar 09 11:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] The Harper Gov't are again hypocrites: negotiates with "evil separatists" to pass BillC32 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5676/196/ | Mar 09 11:21 | |
| cubexyz | save some $$$ | Mar 09 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: yeah and if we are lucky ReactOS will be well much more developed by April 2014 :) | Mar 09 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | ,but probably not quite for that one :( | Mar 09 11:22 |
| sebsebseb | would be great if it can run most XP junk apps that loads of people want, and their hardware drivers, by then though | Mar 09 11:22 |
| cubexyz | it's definitely still Alpha | Mar 09 11:22 |
| GoForbes28 | ReactOS is a good idea, but unfortunately Microsoft is not Unix | Mar 09 11:22 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: meaning? | Mar 09 11:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Android OS Update Problem http://is.gd/1wt1sB #android | Mar 09 11:23 | |
| GoForbes28 | A number people think that ReactOS is the next GNU/Linux in the sense that it will do to Windows what "Linux" did to Unix | Mar 09 11:23 |
| cubexyz | version 0.3.12 implies it | Mar 09 11:23 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: uh maybe one day if it's developed enough in time :D | Mar 09 11:23 |
| cubexyz | it's got a ways to go still | Mar 09 11:23 |
| GoForbes28 | It will be beta by version 0.5 | Mar 09 11:24 |
| abeNd-org | there will be a point where 3rd party apps will stop supporting xp, & people would have no choice, especially in business, to move onto win7 (especially when said app doesnt exist in the linux world at all) | Mar 09 11:24 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: uh if they wait untill April 2014 to dump XP | Mar 09 11:24 |
| cubexyz | there's always a choice | Mar 09 11:24 |
| sebsebseb | it's Windows 8 or whatever it's called I guess | Mar 09 11:24 |
| GoForbes28 | brb | Mar 09 11:24 |
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| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: if going at the end of 2012, I guess can be an early adopter for Windows 8 or whatever it will be called? | Mar 09 11:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Android Security: Six Tips to Protect Your Google Phone http://is.gd/4XJP82 #android #security #google (via @sjvn) | Mar 09 11:25 | |
| sebsebseb | oh | Mar 09 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Mar 09 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | ah yes that's ok what I am thinking | Mar 09 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | Vista was 2006 | Mar 09 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | Windows 7 was end of October 2009 | Mar 09 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | so yep probably Windows 8 (or whatever it will be called) at the end of 2012 ? | Mar 09 11:25 |
| abeNd-org | no worries, the world will end in 2012, so perhaps ms will advertise it as windows 8, 2012, world ender edition plus! | Mar 09 11:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Comcast Will Now Troubleshoot Your Gear, Too http://gizmo.do/epAiNQ | Mar 09 11:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with EU treaties http://ur1.ca/3ftwa (DE) #swpat | Mar 09 11:26 | |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: abeNd-org anyway I think my Mum might be more open to doing Desktop LInux on her current lap top, if it's still working in April 2014, when XP runs out of support :) | Mar 09 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | plus by then well | Mar 09 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | my older brother will have used for quite a while as well it seems | Mar 09 11:26 |
| cubexyz | I'd be more satisified with Microsoft-Ender version now | Mar 09 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | and my little brother will be having his lap top with LInux on it so :D | Mar 09 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | anyway my little brother wants a lap top next year, when he goes to another school | Mar 09 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | and | Mar 09 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | well I think it makes sense to buy a lap top when Windows 8 comes out | Mar 09 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's right having Windows, even though he probably woudnt' really need it as such | Mar 09 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | then again the schools are locked into Windows, so yeah | Mar 09 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | plus he might end up playing some commerical games, that are for Windows or something, so hmm | Mar 09 11:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] @karsten PDF of ECJ opinion re unitary patent (EN) http://ur1.ca/3ftwj #swpat | Mar 09 11:28 | |
| sebsebseb | like it or not, because of how things are, Windows can be good to have around attimes | Mar 09 11:28 |
| cubexyz | I never use it | Mar 09 11:28 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes forced to use it as well, because of a Educational Establishment or work place, or well software that needs it | Mar 09 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | for example my latest driving thorey DVD I need Windows for that it seems, becasue of the copy protection | Mar 09 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | the DRM | Mar 09 11:29 |
| cubexyz | hmmm? | Mar 09 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | so when I try in Wine it thinks I am running a priated copy basically, even though it was bought | Mar 09 11:29 |
| cubexyz | sounds awful | Mar 09 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Mar 09 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | I haven't done it yet, but I hope it works no problem in XP vm :) | Mar 09 11:30 |
| abeNd-org | dvd video through a vm? good luck on that | Mar 09 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | if not well, my Vista has no sound right now like I mentioend earlier | Mar 09 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: no | Mar 09 11:30 |
| abeNd-org | im sure it will work, but the refresh would probably be horrible | Mar 09 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: not DVD video | Mar 09 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: software DVD | Mar 09 11:30 |
| abeNd-org | ah, that should work just fine | Mar 09 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | a DVD ROM | Mar 09 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | altough sure it has some videos on it, but that shoudn't be a problem | Mar 09 11:30 |
| cubexyz | ummm, do you have a separate license key for your VM XP? | Mar 09 11:31 |
| cubexyz | just curious | Mar 09 11:31 |
| cubexyz | not sure how that works | Mar 09 11:31 |
| abeNd-org | if its win7 & the xpmode, its built into your win7 | Mar 09 11:31 |
| sebsebseb | legally bought copy, but if I really wanted to, I could run a pirate, well special edited version by geeks, for example | Mar 09 11:32 |
| abeNd-org | if you are running an xp vm through vmware on win or linux or mac, yeah, you have to have a full blown real license | Mar 09 11:32 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: uh? | Mar 09 11:32 |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, what if you erased your XP from one computer and reinstalled on a different computer using a VM? | Mar 09 11:33 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: I don't think that's true | Mar 09 11:33 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: pirate copys can work for example | Mar 09 11:33 |
| MinceR | what if you run an OEM preinstalled copy of winblows in a VM, using the on-disk filesystem (as opposed to a virtual HDD)? | Mar 09 11:33 |
| cubexyz | it might give one some trouble | Mar 09 11:33 |
| abeNd-org | cubexyz: that all depends on if it is an OEM version, OEM windows license is legally tied to that original computer, you legally are not allowed to move that license to another computer, or a VM | Mar 09 11:33 |
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| cubexyz | ah I see | Mar 09 11:33 |
| abeNd-org | im not talking piracy here, talking regular licensing | Mar 09 11:33 |
| abeNd-org | if it is a retail version, your eopen/vlk license you are pretty much able to install it however many times in whatever way you want, at least for the amount of licenses you purchased through the vlk | Mar 09 11:34 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: multi lisense is only for professional versions though isn't it? | Mar 09 11:35 |
| sebsebseb | not home versions? | Mar 09 11:35 |
| cubexyz | another reason not to use it :) | Mar 09 11:35 |
| abeNd-org | im no license guru, & heck, ms has teams of people dedicated to their own labyrinth of licensing, but thats the jist of it | Mar 09 11:35 |
| cubexyz | not that I needed one | Mar 09 11:35 |
| abeNd-org | oem is oem, be it home or professional, works the same way | Mar 09 11:35 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: yeah restricted software | Mar 09 11:35 |
| cubexyz | so how much for a regular license? | Mar 09 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: can't do this or that legally, uh, but we own it? no we don't | Mar 09 11:36 |
| abeNd-org | "the oem gets it cheaper & passes the cost savings onto you" so you cant legally move the license to another computer | Mar 09 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: ,but we bought it? so we own Windows? uh no we don't, we just basically rent it | Mar 09 11:36 |
| cubexyz | ah, but I'm liberated now :) | Mar 09 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | same thing for cloud gaming I guess | Mar 09 11:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Woa.... Liking the new Foursquare! | Mar 09 11:36 | |
| cubexyz | I'm a Universalist OS Specialist :) | Mar 09 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | you may have paid to have access to the cloud to play those games | Mar 09 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you don't own the games | Mar 09 11:36 |
| cubexyz | oops, except for windows :-0 | Mar 09 11:36 |
| cubexyz | oh I have source code for some games | Mar 09 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I own FIrefox, well sort of :D I can have access to the code and do stuff with it | Mar 09 11:37 |
| cubexyz | had to sign an NDA though | Mar 09 11:37 |
| *sebsebseb owns the Linus kernel | Mar 09 11:38 | |
| sebsebseb | yeah I am Linus in disguse | Mar 09 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | you have all been fooled so well so far | Mar 09 11:38 |
| cubexyz | well... you at least "own" what you write | Mar 09 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | well this was fun being an average person, but now my secret is out | Mar 09 11:38 |
| cubexyz | if you have source code, and libraries, and compiler, then you are set | Mar 09 11:38 |
| cubexyz | otherwise, you are stuck | Mar 09 11:38 |
| *sebsebseb anyway seriosuly, I think that Linux would probably never come here | Mar 09 11:39 | |
| sebsebseb | Linus not Linux above | Mar 09 11:39 |
| cubexyz | Linux is here, except I'm on BSD at the moment :) | Mar 09 11:39 |
| sebsebseb | anyway April 2014 should be interesting | Mar 09 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | XP probably going end of life yep, but whilst it is still on most of the worlds computers probably | Mar 09 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | and well alternatives such as Desktop Linux, besing as jono would say, awesome | Mar 09 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | btrfs for most distro's Gnome 3 nice and developed, user interfaces for it shell and Unity, KDE even mroe developed, and so on | Mar 09 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | oh 2014 should be pretty good for Desktop Linux I guess | Mar 09 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | 2014 the year of desktop linux? uhmm maybe, but it might have already happended before then | Mar 09 11:42 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: why did you version me? | Mar 09 11:42 |
| GoForbes28 | I hate "year of" statements | Mar 09 11:42 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: yeah well | Mar 09 11:42 |
| cubexyz | just checking :) | Mar 09 11:42 |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: by april 2014 most home user's computers with xp on them now will have been replaced, and companies would have migrated off xp to win7-x64 since they will want the use of 4gb+ ram | Mar 09 11:42 |
| sebsebseb | they do it pretty much every new years | Mar 09 11:42 |
| sebsebseb | for Linux, and I know it's not new years :D | Mar 09 11:42 |
| sebsebseb | [16:42] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from cubexyz: Noobchat 2.8.6 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE [i386/664.00MHz]. | Mar 09 11:43 |
| GoForbes28 | I also hate when the minority government negotiates with a group they previously denounced to pass a bill that is in conflict with the majority of Canadians | Mar 09 11:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] News on Firefox 4 RC1 http://is.gd/fK0u86 #mozilla #firefox #web #software | Mar 09 11:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Canonical pares Ubuntu down to 2 editions - Register http://ping.fm/YnKjb | Mar 09 11:43 | |
| cubexyz | nice edit | Mar 09 11:43 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: indeed :) | Mar 09 11:43 |
| sebsebseb | and it is Noobchat really, since most of the Ubuntu newbies use it for a start | Mar 09 11:43 |
| cubexyz | yeah it would be much cooler if I used a Commodore 128 | Mar 09 11:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I can happily imagine a world without #religion, but not a world without #science. #atheist #secularhumanist | Mar 09 11:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] All parts of the "What's coming in #2638" series finally online http://heise.de/-1202105 (de) http://h-online.com/-1202826 (en) | Mar 09 11:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @karsten ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with EU treaties http://ur1.ca/3ftwa (DE) #swpat | Mar 09 11:45 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: cubexyz GoForbes28 Ok regarding that dent that came in about the versions of Ubuntu, well that makes sense | Mar 09 11:45 |
| sebsebseb | to only do two versions | Mar 09 11:45 |
| sebsebseb | of Ubuntu | Mar 09 11:46 |
| sebsebseb | yep MinceR they will get rid of Kubuntu to, no not now, that's Kubuntu | Mar 09 11:46 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I guess when they do QT for 11.10, Kubuntu will become even less relivent in a way | Mar 09 11:46 |
| sebsebseb | want KDE apps ok, so just install them with Unity and yep | Mar 09 11:46 |
| sebsebseb | and they should fit in with the Unity envrionment reasonably then as well | Mar 09 11:47 |
| *MinceR doesn't care about *ubuntu | Mar 09 11:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Curtea Europeană spune că propunerea Comisiei pt tratarea unitară a patentelor e incompatibilă cu Tratatul http://tinyurl.com/5th62k5 #ro | Mar 09 11:48 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: lies your still on Kubuntu 9.10 | Mar 09 11:48 |
| sebsebseb | so you hae to care about Canonical to an extent, becasue well | Mar 09 11:48 |
| sebsebseb | if it wasn't for them KUbuntu 9.10 woudn't exist, and well you woudn't be getting updates for it untill the end of April | Mar 09 11:48 |
| MinceR | if it wasn't for them i'd be running Lenny right now | Mar 09 11:49 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah? why don't you change then? | Mar 09 11:49 |
| sebsebseb | why did you go Ubuntu not Debian? | Mar 09 11:49 |
| MinceR | no time to change right now | Mar 09 11:49 |
| abeNd-org | ive been trying to turn some local home schoolers with really old xp machines onto edubutu, but they dont have dvdroms to install it, & none of the current editions of it come on cd | Mar 09 11:50 |
| MinceR | i went ubuntu mainly because i believed the kde4 hype | Mar 09 11:50 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Ubuntu online stuff is like a virus at times, it's pretty hard to get away from, I mean if using this channel since it comes in on dents, or if using identica since it's there yeah | Mar 09 11:50 |
| sebsebseb | or even if going to some Linux news site, probably going to see some Ubuntu stuff mentioned | Mar 09 11:50 |
| MinceR | and because gnome-do (which i stopped using long ago) was packaged incorrectly in debian | Mar 09 11:50 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: oh I think there's some sort of work around for that | Mar 09 11:50 |
| MinceR | abeNd-org: do they have usb slots? | Mar 09 11:51 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: like installing the standard Ubuntu version and then edubuntu-desktop into it | Mar 09 11:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with #EU treaties http://tinyurl.com/5r6djzs #fsfe (via @kgerloff ) | Mar 09 11:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Is A Few Days Away: The Linux 2.6.38 is effectively ready for release. The condition of ... http://bit.ly/eMj2R4 | Mar 09 11:51 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: you belived the KDE 4 hype? | Mar 09 11:51 |
| cubexyz | no :) | Mar 09 11:51 |
| *sebsebseb thinks kapman is packaged incorrectly or something in PC Linux OS, it's really laggy, and it was for someone else as well, but I think for someone else it was ok hmm | Mar 09 11:52 | |
| abeNd-org | mincer yes, but i dont think the usb port is bootable on those old machines | Mar 09 11:52 |
| MinceR | do they have floppy drives? | Mar 09 11:52 |
| *sebsebseb has had Choqok issues in PC Linux OS as well, and even after a version upgrade, but was using Elmdentica instead earlier :) | Mar 09 11:52 | |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i did, at one point | Mar 09 11:52 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i thought i just had to have 3d compositing, and since compiz is unstable and doesn't support it to be temporarily disabled, kde4 was the only way | Mar 09 11:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I hope there will be a propritary Nvidia driver available in !kubuntu "Natty Narwhal" soon. | Mar 09 11:53 | |
| MinceR | abeNd-org: maybe you can use a floppy or a cd with some bootloader-like stuff such as SBM to boot the usb flash drive | Mar 09 11:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: uh you could KDE 4 in Debian? | Mar 09 11:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: you should go to Ubuntu Developer Summit next time, it's in Budapest next time, so your country | Mar 09 11:54 |
| MinceR | i don't think i could get it to run easily | Mar 09 11:54 |
| MinceR | why should i go to UDS? | Mar 09 11:54 |
| MinceR | ubuntu is no longer relevant to me | Mar 09 11:54 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: you should go to it, and dance around in a room with loads of them, and say out loud, Ubuntu SUCKS! :D | Mar 09 11:54 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 09 11:54 |
| sebsebseb | and really annoy them, untill security has to remove you :D | Mar 09 11:55 |
| cubexyz | no, go and tell everyone you only use LFS in text mode :) | Mar 09 11:55 |
| abeNd-org | mincer this is something i am trying to get them to do, i am remote to them, there is no possible way they can do that :) getting them to boot off a dvd would be a miracle , much less boot floppy to usb to whatever :) | Mar 09 11:55 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 09 11:55 |
| MinceR | i used to boot a livedvd off a floppy with SBM :> | Mar 09 11:56 |
| abeNd-org | yea, they freecycled a bunch of old computers from me & first thing they did was email me asking "where is windows" (since i had no legal license to give them, the drives were blank) & thats when i tried getting them to go edubuntu | Mar 09 11:57 |
| cubexyz | people are so unadaptable | Mar 09 11:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] "The {Collaboration} Summit forms the opening bookend to something of a Linuxpalooza set to rock the Kabuki..." http://bit.ly/hOOZZq | Mar 09 11:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxjournal: Back from the Dead: Simple Bash for complex DdoS http://ht.ly/1bGAXm #security | Mar 09 11:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Pleasantly surprised by the speed of @MyMCServ support. Good start to a customer relationship. :) | Mar 09 11:58 | |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: uh Edubuntu will go Unity as well I guess hmm | Mar 09 11:58 |
| sebsebseb | Freecyled I like that, I guess you mean you gave away the computers to them for FREE? | Mar 09 11:59 |
| cubexyz | I guess you would have to be old enough to remember pre-windows computers to have at least some independence from windows | Mar 09 11:59 |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: yes, freecycle.org | Mar 09 11:59 |
| cubexyz | present company excluded of course | Mar 09 11:59 |
| MinceR | it was nice | Mar 09 11:59 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: yeah my primary school had | Mar 09 11:59 |
| sebsebseb | really old BBC's | Mar 09 11:59 |
| sebsebseb | uh black and white | Mar 09 11:59 |
| MinceR | then again, one can still build desktops and servers without having to pay the m$ tax | Mar 09 11:59 |
| abeNd-org | the community around here is pretty big with freecycle | Mar 09 11:59 |
| sebsebseb | had a program called logo on it | Mar 09 11:59 |
| MinceR | it's laptops where trouble starts | Mar 09 12:00 |
| sebsebseb | for like uhmm maths or whatever and that was about it | Mar 09 12:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sq | Mar 09 12:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] RT @octavioislas La Jornada es el primer diario en América Latina y sexto en el mundo, en recibir cables filtrados por !WikiLeaks | Mar 09 12:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: HP: The Linux Desktop Company http://t.co/po36586 HP!? Yes, #HP #linux #webOS by @sjvn #gnu #romania | Mar 09 12:00 | |
| abeNd-org | turtle tracks! | Mar 09 12:00 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: yeah a turtle or whatever, you know LOGO? | Mar 09 12:00 |
| cubexyz | ha, logo | Mar 09 12:00 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: you know it? | Mar 09 12:00 |
| cubexyz | yes | Mar 09 12:00 |
| sebsebseb | ok cool :) | Mar 09 12:01 |
| cubexyz | but it would be easy to write your own | Mar 09 12:01 |
| sebsebseb | don't remember it that much now | Mar 09 12:01 |
| sebsebseb | ,but used as a kid at school yeah | Mar 09 12:01 |
| abeNd-org | logo is not known to me, my first program in elementary school was turtle tracks, dont even remember what platform it was on | Mar 09 12:01 |
| sebsebseb | would like put in degrees and it would draw a picture or whatever | Mar 09 12:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Why OSS is the right flavor for the government cloud | http://bit.ly/foMa6m #opengov #gov20 | Mar 09 12:01 | |
| sebsebseb | then I think later on logo got updated with a more modern version for Windows or whatever | Mar 09 12:01 |
| MinceR | bbl | Mar 09 12:02 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: and they had the old Achorns as well :) asteroties on it, and pac man, and a golf game, and yeah mainly or only really used for games when I was there | Mar 09 12:02 |
| cubexyz | kturtle hasn't been updated in ages | Mar 09 12:02 |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: i had a big pile of old P3/P4 machines that to me are worthless since they weren't x64, so i just freecycled them | Mar 09 12:02 |
| sebsebseb | then yep Windows 95 and such | Mar 09 12:02 |
| sebsebseb | and well they were going to get Internet, but | Mar 09 12:02 |
| cubexyz | why doesn't anyone like p3? | Mar 09 12:02 |
| sebsebseb | not when I was at primary school, but soon after yep | Mar 09 12:02 |
| cubexyz | it was a good cpu | Mar 09 12:02 |
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| abeNd-org | it is not x64, thus cannot run ESXi 4.x | Mar 09 12:02 |
| sebsebseb | and I learnt to touch type instead of writing joined up :) been very userful for me over the years | Mar 09 12:02 |
| sebsebseb | I learnt at school, and did at home as well, Mavis Beacon and so on :D | Mar 09 12:03 |
| abeNd-org | and none of the motherboards that used the P3 address ram worth mentioning these days | Mar 09 12:03 |
| cubexyz | I learned on a typewriter :) | Mar 09 12:03 |
| sebsebseb | over 10 years of touch typing :) | Mar 09 12:03 |
| abeNd-org | i was looking at a home server with 16GB ram & figured that would not be sufficient for my virtual testing needs | Mar 09 12:03 |
| cubexyz | hmmm | Mar 09 12:03 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: then the secondary school, still the achorns, but just about, most of the comptuers were PC's with Windows, and then well later on whilst I was there they got rid of the achorns :( | Mar 09 12:04 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: a boy I used to go to school with some how got one of them though apparnatly | Mar 09 12:04 |
| sebsebseb | oh good times these older computers | Mar 09 12:04 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then Windows came along, and messed loads of things up really | Mar 09 12:04 |
| cubexyz | oh I like retrocomputing | Mar 09 12:04 |
| cubexyz | probably more than you folks :) | Mar 09 12:04 |
| sebsebseb | except I have only used the two I mentioned propelry | Mar 09 12:04 |
| sebsebseb | and well I seen an old Amiga before | Mar 09 12:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Becoming truly anonymous. Going underground http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49844 | Mar 09 12:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @rms: Kucinich and Manning http://ur1.ca/3fu8f | Mar 09 12:05 | |
| abeNd-org | meh, i deal with enough old computers at work, i dont want to make a hobby out of it | Mar 09 12:05 |
| sebsebseb | can't remember if it was on though when I was there, someone I used to know | Mar 09 12:05 |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, I don't think you would like original Amiga then :) | Mar 09 12:05 |
| cubexyz | 512K was standard | Mar 09 12:05 |
| cubexyz | so for me 512 meg is ample memory | Mar 09 12:06 |
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| abeNd-org | cubexyz: i bet you are right, i have no desire to play with that | Mar 09 12:06 |
| abeNd-org | or time :P | Mar 09 12:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Manning’s naked nights ’situationally driven’. US Marine Corps explanation http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49845 | Mar 09 12:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: #WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0... http://bit.ly/gRHQOj | Mar 09 12:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@ruiseabra: ♺@greve:@kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense. | Mar 09 12:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Every #HP PC shipped next year will have #webOS - http://zd.net/eIt8VA "shipped with" or "able to run"? makes a difference... | Mar 09 12:06 | |
| cubexyz | abeNd-org, it did have one major advantage over modern PCs... | Mar 09 12:07 |
| cubexyz | every register on every chip was documented 100% | Mar 09 12:07 |
| sebsebseb | ok good Linux on every HP computer starting next year :) | Mar 09 12:07 |
| sebsebseb | well webos | Mar 09 12:07 |
| cubexyz | but yeah, I don't think it would be good for web browsing | Mar 09 12:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that's run by Linux so :D | Mar 09 12:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Mozilla Moves On - http://bit.ly/i0nwSl new CEO explains how #Mozilla will save the Web - again #webapps #firefox | Mar 09 12:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: A/C gerações rasca e à rasca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdFPYoIv5Gk | Mar 09 12:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it ... | Mar 09 12:08 | |
| abeNd-org | yeah, im quite happy with my palm pre, but no official upgrade to webos2 on it though | Mar 09 12:08 |
| cubexyz | HyperSpace is interesting | Mar 09 12:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at EDEKA http://b1t.it/clu #4sq | Mar 09 12:10 | |
| abeNd-org | they have a "frankenpre" upgrade for it, but it needs access to a preplus or pre2 | Mar 09 12:10 |
| cubexyz | and HP bought it so... | Mar 09 12:10 |
| sebsebseb | what about WebOS | Mar 09 12:11 |
| sebsebseb | I don't reallly know much about it | Mar 09 12:11 |
| sebsebseb | just that it runs Linux :) | Mar 09 12:11 |
| abeNd-org | its great | Mar 09 12:11 |
| abeNd-org | its free to try in a virtual environment with the free PDK | Mar 09 12:11 |
| sebsebseb | PDK ? | Mar 09 12:11 |
| cubexyz | the trouble is where would one buy a linux HP computer? | Mar 09 12:11 |
| cubexyz | directly from HP? | Mar 09 12:12 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: the link I gave | Mar 09 12:12 |
| sebsebseb | said all new HP computers shipped next year | Mar 09 12:12 |
| sebsebseb | will have WebOS | Mar 09 12:12 |
| abeNd-org | http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1970&Itemid=20 & http://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1744 | Mar 09 12:12 |
| abeNd-org | its a virtualbox vm, works great | Mar 09 12:12 |
| cubexyz | hmmm | Mar 09 12:12 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: oh so there isn't a installer for webos? | Mar 09 12:12 |
| ---Diablo-D3 is now known as slush | Mar 09 12:13 | |
| abeNd-org | not currently | Mar 09 12:13 |
| cubexyz | but what about the Microsoftt Tax? | Mar 09 12:13 |
| ---slush is now known as Diablo-D3 | Mar 09 12:13 | |
| abeNd-org | not one that *I* know of anyways | Mar 09 12:13 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: most Hp's will dual boot with Windows it seems | Mar 09 12:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Second Jumper From The Daily - http://bit.ly/gTyRn9 didn't take long... ( @AntDeRosa @robinwauters) #publishing #ipad | Mar 09 12:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Land mines for open source in mobile - http://bit.ly/hnSJEs good points #opensource #smartphones | Mar 09 12:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sting culture and #NPR’s capitulation to falsehood - http://bit.ly/fY6uiI "letting liars take over our public discourse"; worrying trend | Mar 09 12:13 | |
| sebsebseb | read the link I guess | Mar 09 12:13 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: Someone mentioned I could try out Android on a PC, you got a link for that? | Mar 09 12:14 |
| abeNd-org | Android - https://code.google.com/p/android-x86/downloads/list - just boot the iso in vmware & you can use the mail app or add touchdown to test the local network connectivity (or external if you are external) | Mar 09 12:14 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Mar 09 12:14 |
| abeNd-org | some of the iso are built specifically for different netbooks | Mar 09 12:14 |
| sebsebseb | right, but can Android apps work like that? | Mar 09 12:14 |
| sebsebseb | also you recommend vmware? I would use Virtualbox | Mar 09 12:15 |
| abeNd-org | if you have a data connection, they dont care | Mar 09 12:15 |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: the webos one is virtualbox native | Mar 09 12:15 |
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| abeNd-org | i have vmware workstation license from work, so thats what i use for most things | Mar 09 12:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh right ok | Mar 09 12:15 |
| abeNd-org | but im sure the android-x86 iso would work fine booting from virtualbox too | Mar 09 12:16 |
| abeNd-org | and you just mouse around as if it was a touchscreen | Mar 09 12:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] IE9: A More Beautiful Web Launches on March 14th - http://bit.ly/fft5Db indeed: one based on open standards #ie #html5 | Mar 09 12:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] NPR: Help us figure out which Senator killed #Whistleblower Protection - http://bit.ly/hyqeqB nothing to hide, nothing to fear, no? | Mar 09 12:16 | |
| abeNd-org | ive had to use it for testing our exchange & groupwise activesync customers | Mar 09 12:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stephen Fry’s Big Digital Day and our hack room - http://bit.ly/enauHD "to bring industry together for a single day of inspiring exchange" | Mar 09 12:20 | |
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| abeNd-org | i should see if angry birds runs well in the vm... | Mar 09 12:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Feds Really Do Seem To Think That Linking To Infringing Content Can Be A Jailable Offense - http://bit.ly/hcGxuS Web haters, it seems | Mar 09 12:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.—Thomas Paine ♻ @cosmologist | Mar 09 12:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why the Cookie Monster Won’t Kill European Startups - http://bit.ly/ftMMlc useful corrective to earlier fears | Mar 09 12:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @bob_sutor: Blog post: Land mines for open source in #mobile http://bit.ly/hIoDCm #mobile #opensource #free #software #gnu #linux | Mar 09 12:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Open Compliance Focus for April is on Collaboration http://bit.ly/fdklo2 #linux #gnu | Mar 09 12:28 | |
| abeNd-org | http://www.amazon.com/HP-HP-TOUCHPAD-TouchPad/dp/tech-data/B004JXWMIC | Mar 09 12:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linux_pro: Canonical Changes Ubuntu Naming Conventions - http://is.gd/pQDZtT #ubuntu #canonical #community | Mar 09 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Minty Freshness: New LMDE Theme Based On Orta, Created By SkiesOfAzel http://bit.ly/hEcdGo | Mar 09 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Chomping through email... | Mar 09 12:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Pls help us welcome #Panasonic at Gold level of mbership. http://bit.ly/e635tt #gnu #linux | Mar 09 12:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Watching @methoddan on http://live.twit.tv/ -- say hello to @acedtect from me, Dan! :D | Mar 09 12:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Panasonic Joins Linux Foundation http://is.gd/JnY5vX #gnu #linux #software #microsoft #windows | Mar 09 12:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FLOSS Weekly live with @methoddan right now: http://live.twit.tv | Mar 09 12:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya a perfect example of the media whipping boy. Who is going to complain? Nobody so fill your boots in safety. #safegroupclosure | Mar 09 12:35 | |
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| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: GoForbes28 cubexyz Is Android really that amazing? Ok yes yes, it runs Linux, but doesn't help with Desktop Linux, also it helps Google a lot, so really it's Google hype? | Mar 09 12:38 |
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| sebsebseb | oh jono you moved house and also changed ISP at same time or? | Mar 09 12:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] http://www.usbtypewriter.com -- Wow.... Oo | Mar 09 12:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "This video contains content from UMG. It is not available in your country." | Mar 09 12:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @snarf: #Inkscape 0.48.1 is out! http://is.gd/rzGF7g | Mar 09 12:43 | |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: it makes for a nice phoneOS, like WebOS, a nice alternative to iOS & all the rabid apple fans | Mar 09 12:44 |
| abeNd-org | but it is no desktop or even true netbook os | Mar 09 12:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @corenominal: ♺ @fabsh: FLOSS Weekly live with @methoddan right now: http://live.twit.tv - topic SELinux | Mar 09 12:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I would like anyone who feels that NATO is far better behaved than #Libya to let me know about it and tell me why. | Mar 09 12:45 | |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: Android is really for phones yeah, and well ok sure nice Iphone and Windows Phone 7 / Windows Mobile Phone alternative indeed, but other then that, it's just a load of hype isn't it? | Mar 09 12:45 |
| sebsebseb | I mean it's the most used one at the moment, but why? | Mar 09 12:45 |
| sebsebseb | since Google is behind it, and Google has a lot of hype? | Mar 09 12:45 |
| abeNd-org | hype helps, the fact winmob7 sucks helps & people who hate apple are going android | Mar 09 12:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Legislature passes bill to teach U.S. is republic - http://bit.ly/e1MFMU none of that socialist "democracy" rubbish... #politics | Mar 09 12:46 | |
| sebsebseb | uh as well as a lot of well consumers, who don't really know about this stuff | Mar 09 12:46 |
| sebsebseb | just go for it, because it's very popular | Mar 09 12:46 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Mar 09 12:46 |
| abeNd-org | yea, most people go into a phone store & dont know what they are buying | Mar 09 12:47 |
| sebsebseb | let's take BBC Click for example | Mar 09 12:47 |
| sebsebseb | UK technology program | Mar 09 12:47 |
| sebsebseb | Android, Iphone, Windows phone 7, maybe something about Blackberry at times, but that's pretty much it for the phones | Mar 09 12:48 |
| cubexyz | is that still being made sebsebseb? | Mar 09 12:48 |
| cubexyz | re: BBC Click | Mar 09 12:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @beabusaniche #transparencia en la negociación del TLC Mercosur Unión Europea, Acompañanos en esta iniciativa http://ur1.ca/3fuy2 | Mar 09 12:48 | |
| sebsebseb | let's take OS's for that show, well mainly Windows and then Mac here and there, and on occassion something about Linux | Mar 09 12:48 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: yep every week | Mar 09 12:48 |
| sebsebseb | let's take social networking | Mar 09 12:48 |
| cubexyz | well at least they show Linux sometimes | Mar 09 12:48 |
| abeNd-org | blackberry, its too bad, they have great corporate security, but the interface is just sad | Mar 09 12:48 |
| sebsebseb | mainly Facebook and Twitter, mainly I say, more like pretty much only | Mar 09 12:48 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: what I am finding now days with tech, is that most of the stuff that is really popular, sucks really | Mar 09 12:49 |
| cubexyz | we had a tech show too, but it was on at 5 am | Mar 09 12:49 |
| sebsebseb | now days, more like I started to find this out years ago in 2004 | Mar 09 12:49 |
| cubexyz | they talked about Linux vs BSD | Mar 09 12:49 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: well BBC Click is on at 11:30am on Saturday mornings, and they have a shorter version that comes on in the night some time or whatever | Mar 09 12:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it's on BBC News channel, so has the like news head lines at the bottom which sucks, if watching it live | Mar 09 12:50 |
| cubexyz | we had bites and bytes back in the 80's | Mar 09 12:50 |
| sebsebseb | so I tend to watch it on our catch up TV :) and if it's not there online on the BBC Iplayer | Mar 09 12:50 |
| cubexyz | sebsebseb, so available for download? | Mar 09 12:50 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: let's take browsers uhmm from what I have seen of Firefox 4, I am not 100% sure about it's direction | Mar 09 12:50 |
| sebsebseb | it seems ok, but | Mar 09 12:50 |
| sebsebseb | I coudn't add a reload button it seems | Mar 09 12:50 |
| abeNd-org | sebsebseb: i have some issues with my motorola droid, it does get slow at times, but so does my palm pre, & so did my blackberry, they are all under powered, over app'ed & have too weak of a battery | Mar 09 12:50 |
| sebsebseb | abeNd-org: and well I love Firefox, but I am not quite sure what they been doing the last year or so with FIrefox 4 in development from what I seen of it | Mar 09 12:51 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: well Iplayer is UK only, you can watch webscape the website reviews and such from outside UK though, and I think a clip on the click site | Mar 09 12:51 |
| cubexyz | hmm | Mar 09 12:51 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: ,but sure I guess some where, there would be torrents of it, that aren't legal for example | Mar 09 12:52 |
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| sebsebseb | cubexyz: maybe you can watch on the site in USA, but no probably not | Mar 09 12:52 |
| sebsebseb | anyway there are ways round the country stuff and sites, but not meant to do that really | Mar 09 12:52 |
| cubexyz | I'm Canada, it's part of the Commonwealth :-0 | Mar 09 12:52 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: well you can try watching online on the Iplayer, but as far as I know UK only | Mar 09 12:53 |
| sebsebseb | and no the clip would show on the main bbc click site not the show | Mar 09 12:53 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: anyway I found out recently, that they are appearing on the site, for a year now :) | Mar 09 12:53 |
| sebsebseb | or for a while even | Mar 09 12:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #zdnet "#Microsoft to allow Eclipse, Mozilla licences for WP7 apps" with comments from @karsten http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fs !fsfe | Mar 09 12:55 | |
| cubexyz | I'd download Bits and Bytes just for the historical info | Mar 09 12:55 |
| sebsebseb | I said USA earlier, forgetting your in Canada | Mar 09 12:55 |
| sebsebseb | ah well | Mar 09 12:55 |
| sebsebseb | still North America | Mar 09 12:55 |
| cubexyz | when did it start? | Mar 09 12:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fsfe | Mar 09 12:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh the most useless thing ever conceived after the Ogino-Knaus method | Mar 09 12:56 | |
| cubexyz | oh wow, over 500 episodes | Mar 09 12:57 |
| sebsebseb | what of Click? | Mar 09 12:57 |
| cubexyz | yes | Mar 09 12:57 |
| sebsebseb | that show been around since uhmm not sure exactly I think 2001 or something | Mar 09 12:57 |
| sebsebseb | ,but sadly | Mar 09 12:57 |
| sebsebseb | I | Mar 09 12:57 |
| sebsebseb | didn't start watching it untill 2008 I think it was or 2009 | Mar 09 12:57 |
| abeNd-org | guess you can get iplayer in NA with a proxy... meh http://hubpages.com/hub/BBC-iPlayer-USA | Mar 09 12:57 |
| cubexyz | well I'll check the site anyway | Mar 09 12:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @brionv: Farewell, old friend Shuttle... we'll miss you! http://leuksman.com/log/2011/03/09/fare-well-old-friend-shuttle/ | Mar 09 12:58 | |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: the episodes that are over a year old, are gone as far as I know | Mar 09 12:58 |
| sebsebseb | no way to legally download them, as far as I know | Mar 09 12:58 |
| cubexyz | watching the vids no prob | Mar 09 12:59 |
| sebsebseb | cubexyz: you can see the short video on the click site probably no problem from outside UK | Mar 09 12:59 |
| sebsebseb | and | Mar 09 12:59 |
| sebsebseb | webscape | Mar 09 12:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not the actsaul click episode as far as I know | Mar 09 12:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @karsten: Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 < great stuff | Mar 09 13:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Unigine OilRush Barely Does 800 Sales To Date: While OilRush is the first Linux game using the Unigine Engine an... http://bit.ly/fWZmoT | Mar 09 13:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh I am old enough to have actually used mechanical typewriters - that's how I am on a 10-fingers blind typing. #annoying | Mar 09 13:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya, Gaddafi's son's house in London festooned with protest banners police are relaxed about it. Well of course they are. | Mar 09 13:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ntouk @hadleybeeman: Reminder: Public Data Corporation consultation responses due FRIDAY! need thoughts & insights http://bit.ly/f4lIZE | Mar 09 13:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Heading of to the !BUSC board meeting. | Mar 09 13:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh actually I started with a QZERTY typewriter (Olivetti Valentine, by E. Sottssass, a masterpiece of style). Wicked! | Mar 09 13:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @karsten: Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fsfe | Mar 09 13:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] finished up the QAIModel for libtaskmanager finally today; also practiced weighing veggies at the market. not quite used to that yet. | Mar 09 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Sorry it's Sottsass, obviously. Read on http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivetti_Valentine (ITA) | Mar 09 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Princes to start protecting our oceans - http://bit.ly/f83XNN amazing what a few emails can do #hacktivism #fishing #sustainability | Mar 09 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: Tell the New York Times to Apologize for Blaming a Child for Her Gang Rape | http://bit.ly/h4R4dB | Mar 09 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Torontonamo: #G20 SIU reopens another G20 case - CityNews http://bit.ly/fvbykC | Mar 09 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/every-hp-pc-shipped-next-year-will-have-webos/22928 Great !WebOS !Linux news :) | Mar 09 13:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @kirschner well written article; great that we have people educating/reminding policy makers about these issues. | Mar 09 13:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: Gaddaffi they're trying 2 steal our oil! No U mad fuck the noflyzone is 2 rstrct on U killing ur own ppl.http://bit.ly/e6xp9m | Mar 09 13:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The thought of #orcas in captivity for entertainment angers me. Please don't take your children to such shows. keepwhaleswild.org | Mar 09 13:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @themadhatter: RT @alexhundert: Tell the New York Times to Apologize for Blaming a Child for Her Gang Rape | http://bit.ly/h4R4dB | Mar 09 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] :) #HP http://identi.ca/notice/66563406 | Mar 09 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Oh Oh, There's something rotten in the reign of Finland... http://ur1.ca/3fauw | Mar 09 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Warren Buffett's China car deal could backfire http://is.gd/jdYe5G !wl | Mar 09 13:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Leaked cables suggest US doubted Mexico prosecutor http://is.gd/VKVD15 !wl | Mar 09 13:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya Cameron and Sarkozy Re UN sing a nice duo of "so macho, gonna be so macho" #contempt | Mar 09 13:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Karimov Played U.S. Off Against Russia http://alturl.com/x2udz !wl | Mar 09 13:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] I AM THE DOCTOR http://ur1.ca/3fvki !miotd | Mar 09 13:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Al Jazeera, I love them and only channel I watch the adverts as they will never affect me :-) | Mar 09 13:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy !wl | Mar 09 13:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Folks, Radeon HD 3650 AGP on Linux ? How does it behave ? Good ? Bad ? Avoid like the plague ? Any hint or tip is welcome. Thanks in advance | Mar 09 13:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Fabien Tassin: !Chromium 10 in !Ubuntu http://goo.gl/PGBNZ | Mar 09 13:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Kudos to @flat_world teaming up with @ohiohighered to provide 1000 free CC-licensed textbooks to Ohio students - http://goo.gl/Se1k9 | Mar 09 13:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @zwyback #Samsung's new tablet a thin little thing - http://b1t.it/cl7 !android | Mar 09 13:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] What the world could be if idiots didn't run it (I wish I could move here) http://ur1.ca/3fvun | Mar 09 13:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The oldest space shuttle named discovery is retired. How many of its payloads were pointless military wankfests? | Mar 09 13:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Adwaita 3.0 (the !GNOME 3 default theme) coolness http://goo.gl/6cOnb | Mar 09 14:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] In these dire times for public media, why is #NPR shooting itself in the foot? http://ur1.ca/3fvvt | Mar 09 14:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] What happens to shipping containers lost at sea? http://ur1.ca/3fvxa | Mar 09 14:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Switzerland an interesting example of Napoleonic law, some (maybe most) better than I thought. | Mar 09 14:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Edubuntu WebLive Hits 15 000 Sessions http://goo.gl/CwYBD | Mar 09 14:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Karimov Played U.S. Off Against Russia http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63033 http://bit.ly/eNtyUg | Mar 09 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy http://bit.ly/gXByHv | Mar 09 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NPR: Help us figure out which Senator killed Whistleblower Protection http://ur1.ca/3fvyt | Mar 09 14:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Activists seize Saif Gadaffi's London mansion http://ur1.ca/3fvze | Mar 09 14:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya , What I have really reacted to against to the west's response is propaganda and hypocrisy. Believable? | Mar 09 14:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Wisconsin capitol bans recording, flags, reading, balloons, chairs, bags, backpacks, photography, etc etc etc http://ur1.ca/3fvzj | Mar 09 14:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Now playing #Nasum - Human 2.0. It's so on it's not even funny. My feett might tap holes on the floor. #grindcore | Mar 09 14:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Now playing #Nasum - Human 2.0. It's so on it's not even funny. My feet might tap holes on the floor. #grindcore | Mar 09 14:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] This is one of the worst obstructions of justice I have ever read about pertaining to the legal system http://ur1.ca/3fw31 #fuckyou | Mar 09 14:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @dfrios: SVG Editor online: http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/editor/svg-editor.html - #Inkscape #svg | Mar 09 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @allsystemsarego: #CLI apps, aggregated by topic and ranked http://cli-apps.org/index.php?xsortmode=high #Linux | Mar 09 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @michelenlared: RD @rivenathos New #Linux screenshots forum - http://is.gd/OamF5m #debian #mint #ubuntu | Mar 09 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ovidiusoft: RT @novitro: #peblog: Cateva notiuni despre autentificarea cu doi factori http://bit.ly/dOLy0x | Mar 09 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @alina_mierlus: RT @mozpub: [Edinburgh] Some Mozillians including @cyberdees with be @techmeetup tonight. Come share beers and pizza! | Mar 09 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetfedora: Jared Smith: One day remaining for #Fedora 16 name suggestions! http://bit.ly/fI5UKw | Mar 09 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @zwyback: #Foursquare 3.0 brings a world of new check-ins for customers, businesses - http://b1t.it/cl6 #android | Mar 09 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh If I can find an old typewriter with the keys I need for writing code, I'll try to convert it to USB (but not by using that method) | Mar 09 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @michelenlared: RD @toros Fabien Tassin: #Chromium 10 in #Ubuntu http://goo.gl/PGBNZ | Mar 09 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Kinect Confirmed As Fastest-Selling Consumer Electronics Device - http://bit.ly/i2qMZ4 fascinating #microsoft | Mar 09 14:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy http://bit.ly/gXByHv | Mar 09 14:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] 2011 British Met weather centre are still quoting snow fall in inches #BBCyouaremoreshitthantheworldknows | Mar 09 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (Now With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) http://bit.ly/haXnuB | Mar 09 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] An alternative to pharmaceutical #patents - http://bit.ly/fbiKaD excellent analysis, practical proposal #drugs #pharma | Mar 09 14:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I do not smoke but when industry bodies say you are smoking counterfeit brands with poisonous affects how do you check? | Mar 09 14:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 217 dents! | Mar 09 14:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Hunt saboteur Joe Hashman wins landmark ruling - http://bit.ly/fOzNqV "campaigner's beliefs are akin to religion under UK employment law" | Mar 09 14:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The 'Stolen' Scream: Photographer Discovers His Image Is Everywhere... And Embraces It - http://bit.ly/e06m1c a tale with a moral #sharing | Mar 09 14:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Democrația necesită Software Liber http://is.gd/NDT54y #romania #software #fsfe | Mar 09 14:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] …lasting change does not happen until we unite behind what we want—not just against what we do not.—G.Monbiot http://ur1.ca/3fwig !q | Mar 09 14:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) http://goo.gl/foorb | Mar 09 15:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @openSUSE: Planet #openSUSE: Manu Gupta: openSUSE 11.3 http://bit.ly/fsqtTy | Mar 09 15:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @NeelieKroesEU: @digiphile: Gov 2.0 and open government take root in India [@HuffingtonPost] http://huff.to/hu6Luf #gov20 #opengov #gov2in | Mar 09 15:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wednesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/432490/rss | Mar 09 15:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 #fsfe (via @kgerloff ) | Mar 09 15:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RomaniaBizNews: #Google a lansat #Chrome 10 - http://blitzclick.ro/yJg3 #web #software | Mar 09 15:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @meegoexperts: Intellowares thoughts on #QML and #Qt Development for #MeeGo http://mge.bz/5F #Intel #Linux #Nokia | Mar 09 15:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: An alternative to pharmaceutical #patents - http://bit.ly/fbiKaD excellent analysis, practical proposal #drugs #pharma | Mar 09 15:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The religious #rightwing is wrong: #USA's #religion isn't #Christianity, it's #freemarket #capitalism. | Mar 09 15:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Ubuntu Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release http://is.gd/eDgrs7 #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Mar 09 15:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrights | Mar 09 15:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrights via @am | Mar 09 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @satipera: USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrights via @am | Mar 09 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] CentOS 5.6 expected for Monday, March 14th http://is.gd/76KOZD #centos #centos5 #gnu #linux #redhat #fedora #software | Mar 09 15:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Judge eviscerates #P2P lawyer: "I accepted you at your word" - http://bit.ly/hkRGFR what a fab slap-down #copyright | Mar 09 15:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] NYT and "torture": Searching for a justification - http://bit.ly/eAVvWJ nailing the NYT's pusillanimous double standards #torture | Mar 09 15:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: Judge eviscerates #P2P lawyer: "I accepted you at your word" - http://bit.ly/hkRGFR what a fab slap-down #copyright | Mar 09 15:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Breaking news from the west "You had better watch yourself everybody, we will do what we want when we want, but the law applies to you" #law | Mar 09 15:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Ada Initiative kicks off census http://lwn.net/Articles/432529/rss | Mar 09 15:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @EDRi_org: EDRi-gram 9.5: French decree establishes what data must be retained by hosting providers http://bit.ly/fWMd3H | Mar 09 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @EDRi_org: EDRi-gram 9.5: #SWIFT agreement implementation not respecting data protection safeguards http://bit.ly/fjo5Fj | Mar 09 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @encyclomundi @GreySkyThinking: Sometimes it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. That's energy saving bulbs for you | Mar 09 15:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: OpenLogic Research Finds Mobile Apps Fail to Comply with OSS Licenses http://bit.ly/fdyvIG #linux #gnu #mobile #openlogic | Mar 09 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @psquid: I regularly suffer memory leaks. Or as I call them, "dents". | Mar 09 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back from !BUSC board meeting, Looks like we are generally in good shape for #Taming. :D | Mar 09 16:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DOING | Mar 09 16:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] #nokmsft - Android looks almost ready on n900. Too bad that I will never be able to run WP7 on it. Hmm. | Mar 09 16:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @psquid To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DO ... | Mar 09 16:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat 'virtualizes' data with new JBoss ESB (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/hNLp6X | Mar 09 16:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @psquid To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DO ... | Mar 09 16:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] AWESOME!!! "She Don't Like Firefly" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-yHSaP0Dyg | Mar 09 16:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @mairin @colby_hoke @robdelaney: NPR head resigns after calling Tea Party "racist" Tomorrow, NASA head to resign after calling space "big" | Mar 09 16:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I just took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011 | Mar 09 16:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] A genuinely extraordinary piece of sophistry by Elder Dallin H. Oaks http://ping.fm/oZBLI | Mar 09 16:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra F16 codename clearly has to be "Fighting Falcon" http://outl.ws/eHy2qg | Mar 09 16:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Sorry, heybuddy foiled me there.... oo | Mar 09 16:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Data Says #Money Might Buy #Happiness, But Happiness Might Not Be What You Want - http://bit.ly/fl0z0g deep & subtle point | Mar 09 16:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh don't blame the buddy ;) apologies are unnecessary | Mar 09 16:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra LOL ;) | Mar 09 16:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yay! My @MyMCServ server is ready! #Minecraft | Mar 09 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @DivaDanese: Known problem (slowness loading some #wikipedia pages) in parts of Europe today. Team already working on the issue #wikimedia | Mar 09 16:20 | |
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| Daemonfc | jono: The Ubuntu Natty security certificate signing system is having a bad day | Mar 09 16:26 |
| Daemonfc | what have you been feeding it? :) | Mar 09 16:26 |
| Daemonfc | also, I've ran into two KDE 4.6.1 bugs that are particularly annoying, though they are upstream bugs | Mar 09 16:27 |
| Daemonfc | they must be or they wouldn't happen in every KDE distribution | Mar 09 16:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Last time, I visited Cairo, I went to the pyramids. This time, my host is offering to take me to Tahrir Square. | Mar 09 16:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Wiki Wednesday: March 9, 2011 http://mzl.la/ie1IJG | Mar 09 16:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup http://goo.gl/z7jsh | Mar 09 16:30 | |
| oiaohm | HP just announce WebOS on every computer they ship. | Mar 09 16:32 |
| oiaohm | So this will mean lot more Linux friendly hardware out there. | Mar 09 16:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @tdfischer: All hail the @beefymiracle! #Fedora | Mar 09 16:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: Only one day left of F16 name proposals before I MOVE ONWARD. The mustard indicates progress! http://ur1.ca/3fwhr | Mar 09 16:33 | |
| MinceR | will they ship them without m$ tax, at least optionally? | Mar 09 16:33 |
| Daemonfc | yeah, I noticed the Treacherous Computing support in Linux 2.6.38 | Mar 09 16:33 |
| Daemonfc | Trusted Execution | Mar 09 16:33 |
| Daemonfc | Integrity Management Infrastructure | Mar 09 16:33 |
| Daemonfc | letting the TPM generate binary blob crypto keys and spitting them out to userspace programs | Mar 09 16:34 |
| Daemonfc | fun times | Mar 09 16:34 |
| Daemonfc | once that starts getting flipped on in the name of security, it means you have no idea what your computer is up to | Mar 09 16:34 |
| Daemonfc | the TPM is a black box by design | Mar 09 16:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] congrats to #Spurs, #ChampionsLeague win tonight !football, doubt any other club would want to draw Spurs, they surprised more than a few | Mar 09 16:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @guardiantech: Space shuttle Discovery landing marks beginning of the end http://bit.ly/hr883E | Mar 09 16:35 | |
| MinceR | can't you just blacklist its modules? | Mar 09 16:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Chernobyl, My Primeval, Teeming, Irradiated Eden - http://bit.ly/emUWp3 wonderfully evocative journalism (v @wickwox) #evolution | Mar 09 16:36 | |
| Daemonfc | you can build the kernel without them and your TPM will be functionless | Mar 09 16:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Yes you can blacklist modules. | Mar 09 16:37 |
| MinceR | Daemonfc: just the way i like it | Mar 09 16:37 |
| oiaohm | But TPM is built as a core kernel part. | Mar 09 16:37 |
| Daemonfc | but it's obviously to turn Chrome OS and WebOS into systems with no user control | Mar 09 16:37 |
| MinceR | of course i like my PC TPMless | Mar 09 16:37 |
| oiaohm | Also TPM can be working from bios down. | Mar 09 16:37 |
| oiaohm | Ie TPM can result in bios not loading the bootloader. | Mar 09 16:37 |
| Daemonfc | that's where WebOS and Chrome OS are going, using TPM modules in the Linux kernel to enslave the user | Mar 09 16:38 |
| MinceR | i thought that was optional | Mar 09 16:38 |
| oiaohm | Then the bootloader not loading the kernel you want. | Mar 09 16:38 |
| Daemonfc | not if it's 1. Baked into your EFI (WebOS) | Mar 09 16:38 |
| MinceR | and that the usual idea was to just checksum whatever you load as long as they trust it | Mar 09 16:38 |
| Daemonfc | or 2. Won't boot without it (Chrome OS) | Mar 09 16:38 |
| oiaohm | TPM is a double sided sword. | Mar 09 16:39 |
| MinceR | not sure about that, their demo netbook had a switch to let you put any firmware on it | Mar 09 16:39 |
| Daemonfc | what good is having Chromium OS source if the TPM in everything Chrome OS is sold in won't let the user modify anything anyway? | Mar 09 16:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I have decided to stop moaning about Fedora release names and implement my own fighter jet related naming scheme for the distro from now on. | Mar 09 16:40 | |
| oiaohm | Google Chrome OS machines have a TPM boot lock off switch. | Mar 09 16:40 |
| oiaohm | With the TPM on tampering is very hard. | Mar 09 16:41 |
| Daemonfc | it's security, from you the user | Mar 09 16:41 |
| Daemonfc | the guy who bought the fucking device | Mar 09 16:41 |
| Daemonfc | and (theoretically) owns it | Mar 09 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Chrome OS case where the device has switch on and off. | Mar 09 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Its not from the user. | Mar 09 16:41 |
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| oiaohm | Since while the boot lock is off you can change the TPM settings. | Mar 09 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | whoops | Mar 09 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 09 16:42 |
| oiaohm | User with direct access to the machine can mess with it under that system. | Mar 09 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | this open source video driver stack is so fragile that it either works great or fails completely | Mar 09 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | depending on whatever way the wind is blowing | Mar 09 16:42 |
| oiaohm | But remote user is shot while its on. | Mar 09 16:42 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Its getting less fragile | Mar 09 16:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I'm soon gonna switch to F15 Eagle Alpha. I will miss Tomcat, it was a great release! | Mar 09 16:43 | |
| DaemonFC | it fails if you use Transparent Huge Pages | Mar 09 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | it fails if you remove the Big Kernel Lock | Mar 09 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | it gets angry if you use a preemptive kernel | Mar 09 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | and it decides to disable color tiling at random depending on what 2.6.38 rc you are using | Mar 09 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 16:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: That's what F14 was called. I certainly like it, but i came back having last tried F10 - the leap was amazing | Mar 09 16:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @frostbite: Tried out ubuntu 11.04 a3=not accessible | Mar 09 16:45 | |
| oiaohm | Transparent Huge Pages ok that is understandable new ish feature driver bugs might be found. | Mar 09 16:45 |
| MinceR | strange | Mar 09 16:45 |
| MinceR | preemptible kernel isn't exactly new :> | Mar 09 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | Unity is obviously a cheap Mac OS ripoff | Mar 09 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | for people with reading disorders I guess since everything is an icon now | Mar 09 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Big Kernel Lock Nothing newish should be depending on it. | Mar 09 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX falls down, goes boom without it | Mar 09 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | but there's unofficial patches to the glue layer that fix that | Mar 09 16:46 |
| oiaohm | The unofficial patches create a new lock that is FGLRX only. | Mar 09 16:46 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX only seems to depend on BKL in one or two places, AMD could probably use spinlocks there | Mar 09 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | since that's what the unofficial patch does | Mar 09 16:47 |
| oiaohm | Exactly there is no techical reason for FGLRX to be using BKL in the first place. | Mar 09 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | i.e, it's like ReiserFS de-BKLification | Mar 09 16:47 |
| oiaohm | It was miss use. | Mar 09 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't work better, but it won't explode | Mar 09 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 16:47 |
| oiaohm | There was tones and Tones of Miss use. | Mar 09 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe Ubuntu even lets you install to ReiserFS anymore | Mar 09 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | what year is this? | Mar 09 16:48 |
| oiaohm | So almost the last one is FGLRX itself | Mar 09 16:48 |
| oiaohm | ReiserFS is still maintained. | Mar 09 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | poorly | Mar 09 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | only enough to avoid build failures and to make sure it won't break | Mar 09 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's not getting new features, it's not getting faster | Mar 09 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, it hasn't been touched since the BKL removal that made it actually slower | Mar 09 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | in 2.6.33? | Mar 09 16:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: I think F10 was the first Linux I tried and the lack of codec support confused me back then :) | Mar 09 16:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #illinois great news. They have banned the death sentence and joined civilisation #notretribution | Mar 09 16:50 | |
| DaemonFC | Hans Reiser's claims of being faster than Ext3 were dubious and ReiserFS is a nightmare to recover anything from if the file system becomes corrupt | Mar 09 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's time to just disable the option for new installs | Mar 09 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | save the newbies from themselves | Mar 09 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | JFS and ReiserFS, nobody should be using them | Mar 09 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | at all | Mar 09 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | they're old, barely maintained, are slow, have lots of documented problems, and don't get along with SELinux, Tomoyo, or Smack | Mar 09 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 16:51 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Mine you is it transpartent huge pages or is it memory defraging. | Mar 09 16:51 |
| MinceR | yes, also disable the option to choose what should happen when you close the lid of the laptop | Mar 09 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | your system should fail to sleep and turn into the EZ Bake Laptop of course | Mar 09 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | (Mac) | Mar 09 16:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 16:52 |
| MinceR | they're pretty close to that even if they're open, afaik | Mar 09 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | yes, and they still never fixed the discoloration problem either | Mar 09 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | that pretty finishing wears down and the case starts yellowing | Mar 09 16:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] you have to wonder at the world we're now living in sometimes http://tighturl.com/2zsg football car sticker c********d | Mar 09 16:53 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Really you stated why Ubuntu has it. | Mar 09 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's been a problem on their systems since PowerPC was still around | Mar 09 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu does not have THP | Mar 09 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | it is disabled in their Kconfig | Mar 09 16:54 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: ReiserFS and apparmor works | Mar 09 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | yes because AppArmor doesn't need to label the file system | Mar 09 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | XFS works with all MAC implementations in the kernel | Mar 09 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 16:54 |
| oiaohm | Tomoyo does not need labels either. | Mar 09 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | as do Ext2, 3, and 4 | Mar 09 16:54 |
| oiaohm | Tomoyo tech is what made Apparmor partly work. | Mar 09 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | CrappArmor is there the let malicious stuff happen while the user is busy dealing with the problems it is causing | Mar 09 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | the DBUS failure to load hilarity | Mar 09 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox not being able to download files or access the GTK+ theming engine | Mar 09 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | if it's so easy, why does Ubuntu misconfigure it? | Mar 09 16:56 |
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| MinceR | apparmor is pathname-based, isn't it? weren't there issues with that? or it was the other way around? | Mar 09 16:56 |
| MinceR | http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090323080940/http://www.appledefects.com/?p=15 | Mar 09 16:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Yes there were path based issues. | Mar 09 16:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Tomoyo designed a new system for handling path based that is solid. | Mar 09 16:59 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 09 16:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: And apparmor got migrated to that. | Mar 09 16:59 |
| MinceR | what did they do? | Mar 09 16:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Add means to solve to raw device holding the file. | Mar 09 16:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] printf style debugging of any program (even proprietary) as long as you have .h http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2011/03/09/ann-liblogger/ | Mar 09 17:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Myths and patent reform | http://bit.ly/ffddWw #innovation | Mar 09 17:00 | |
| oiaohm | Prior to Tomoyo the VFS was a universal mask of I don't have a clue where that file is coming from. | Mar 09 17:00 |
| MinceR | i think i understand | Mar 09 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Yes VFS had to know the raw device that was holding the file. | Mar 09 17:01 |
| oiaohm | But it was telling no one. | Mar 09 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | SELinux never had this problem because it doesn't ask the VFS what's going on | Mar 09 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 17:02 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: SELinux did have this problem early on. | Mar 09 17:02 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: why they went labels. | Mar 09 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Ie labels are a hack that works around the issue. | Mar 09 17:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] There's a special place in hell for web designers/devs who put hovering toolbars across the bottom of websites. | Mar 09 17:05 | |
| oiaohm | One of the things Tomoyo does different to Apparmor is hardlinks are forbin unless approved by Tomoyo. | Mar 09 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | I have to ask, but why does Ubuntu need to apply 11 MB of patches to the kernel? | Mar 09 17:05 |
| oiaohm | And that is due to a limtiation. | Mar 09 17:05 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: 11 MB of patches I really don't know why. | Mar 09 17:06 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Do you have a patch list contianed. | Mar 09 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | no, they release it as one giant blob | Mar 09 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | without breaking out any of them | Mar 09 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | very little commenting on what's going on | Mar 09 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | or why they need to change anything | Mar 09 17:07 |
| MinceR | sounds a lot like what a certain other distro started doing recently :> | Mar 09 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Say N here unless you're an XFS developer, or play one on TV" | Mar 09 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 09 17:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Me too! ♺ @jledbetter: I just took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011 | Mar 09 17:15 | |
| DaemonFC | I always exclude staging drivers | Mar 09 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of which, hv is still there | Mar 09 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR's favorite | Mar 09 17:15 |
| MinceR | hype-v? | Mar 09 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 09 17:15 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft and Novell keep it just fixed up enough to continue on in the staging tree | Mar 09 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | they don't want anyone to actually be able to use it without paying them | Mar 09 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | so it always has bugs | Mar 09 17:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 17:16 |
| MinceR | does anyone have hype-v without paying them? | Mar 09 17:16 |
| MinceR | i mean, legally | Mar 09 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | on the Windows side, you pay for Windows, obviously | Mar 09 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | they don't want a non-Novell Linux supporting it and people using the Linux guest support for free | Mar 09 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 17:17 |
| oiaohm | Novell has a hacked up verson of KVM that can use hyper-v drivers. | Mar 09 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft gets you on the way in, Novell gets you on the way out | Mar 09 17:17 |
| oiaohm | But really its pointless since most KVM native drivers for Windows are better performing. | Mar 09 17:17 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 17:17 |
| MinceR | aren't there untainted virtio drivers for KVM anyway? | Mar 09 17:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Trying out #xfce on my home workstation | Mar 09 17:18 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft sells the problem then Novell says they have the cure | Mar 09 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | blessed binaries and patent licenses = "Interop" | Mar 09 17:19 |
| MinceR | you can buy problems that enable you to buy even more problems | Mar 09 17:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Install your !statusnet server ♺ @micu: Revolution failed: !Facebook not available in #Egypt: http://is.gd/R438hC !FSFE !FOSS !FLOSS !FS | Mar 09 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL ♺ @yamanickill: I won't tell anyone that minecraft.net is back up.... !lo | Mar 09 17:31 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: a Mixed Source Environment | Mar 09 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | i.e., We don't care what you use as long as you pay us | Mar 09 17:33 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 17:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup http://bit.ly/goNUf4 | Mar 09 17:35 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR expects only the best in ISV support for his MSE, so he chooses the best IT solutions for his VM decisions. | Mar 09 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 09 17:36 |
| MinceR | i also roll dice on bullshit bingo cards | Mar 09 17:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US-Libya Relations: Surviving the Wikileaks Controversy? http://alturl.com/93fs9 !wl | Mar 09 17:36 | |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | I want to know why Microsoft WOULD buy more SuSE coupons | Mar 09 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | Novell is already bankrupt and begging to be sold on the cheap to some no name outfit | Mar 09 17:37 |
| MinceR | probably to keep novell sort of alive | Mar 09 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | who would buy a support contract from them? | Mar 09 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | 10 years? You may not even get 1 | Mar 09 17:37 |
| MinceR | the same kind of people who would buy m$ products | Mar 09 17:37 |
| MinceR | or assist nigerian royalty to move their money abroad | Mar 09 17:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @jfred99: What is software philosophy? Why does it matter? What is #free software? Here's some very clear answers http://is.gd/EqaEk2 | Mar 09 17:38 | |
| MinceR | or buy crApple products | Mar 09 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | I knew something was deeply wrong when I booted up OpenSuSE 10.3 and was greeting by an EXE file which had dlls included running in a .Net clone | Mar 09 17:38 |
| MinceR | or buy snake oil | Mar 09 17:38 |
| MinceR | or buy adobe products | Mar 09 17:38 |
| MinceR | etc. | Mar 09 17:38 |
| MinceR | well, that's what suse is about | Mar 09 17:39 |
| MinceR | promoting mono | Mar 09 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | why do they name them EXE and DLL? | Mar 09 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | does it matter what the extension is? | Mar 09 17:39 |
| MinceR | because when m$ designs a "portable" system they spread windowsisms all around | Mar 09 17:39 |
| MinceR | that's how your .net/mono binaries end up with PE headers | Mar 09 17:39 |
| MinceR | with stub code written for dos or winblows, maybe both | Mar 09 17:40 |
| MinceR | and some people don't see anything wrong with this, of course | Mar 09 17:40 |
| MinceR | because winblows is so great | Mar 09 17:40 |
| MinceR | especially dlls | Mar 09 17:40 |
| MinceR | (they couldn't even implement shared libraries properly...) | Mar 09 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they have the header "This program can not be run in MS-DOS mode" | Mar 09 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | on every Mono EXE | Mar 09 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 09 17:40 |
| MinceR | (if you're lucky, two processes _might_ share the same copy of the same dll in memory) | Mar 09 17:41 |
| cubexyz | dlls are used if you use wine | Mar 09 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | without both of them crashing you mean? | Mar 09 17:41 |
| MinceR | (and if something goes wrong in loading a dll, you'll never find out what it was) | Mar 09 17:41 |
| MinceR | no, they just play with memory addresses | Mar 09 17:41 |
| MinceR | because position-independent code is something that happens to other people | Mar 09 17:41 |
| MinceR | so if you aren't lucky, those addresses are already used by some other module of your executable | Mar 09 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | In the Windows world, it's OK to have 12 different versions of the same dll to hide the fact that binary software has dependency issues | Mar 09 17:42 |
| MinceR | that too | Mar 09 17:42 |
| MinceR | it's also ok to name them the exact same thing | Mar 09 17:42 |
| MinceR | which consists of 6 random letters and 2 random numbers, with ".dll" tacked on at the end | Mar 09 17:43 |
| MinceR | and sometimes stuff is loaded by addresses hardcoded into the .exe, it seems | Mar 09 17:43 |
| MinceR | basically if you want to know how to implement something the least sane way, you can look at how m$ did something | Mar 09 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | VBRUN600.DLL NOT FOUND! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! We must go back to 1998 and find a copy! :-) | Mar 09 17:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 17:44 |
| MinceR | you can go try 12 copies and maybe one of them won't crash your application | Mar 09 17:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How could #copyright infringement possibly deter visitors to a country? http://ow.ly/4bfJo I'm confused | Mar 09 17:45 | |
| DaemonFC | Windows Answer = Install every version of every DLL on the Windows 7 DVD then find reasons to excuse the lack of space for drivers. | Mar 09 17:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | PRO TIP: You get to go on a hunt for more later!' | Mar 09 17:45 |
| cubexyz | a lot of Loki stuff won't run easily on a modern distro | Mar 09 17:45 |
| MinceR | nonfree crap breaks easily | Mar 09 17:46 |
| cubexyz | true | Mar 09 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's because it's binary/proprietary cannot be updated and built against new libraries | Mar 09 17:46 |
| MinceR | but at least the name of the shared objects actually means something | Mar 09 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | same problem Windows has with EVERYTHING | Mar 09 17:46 |
| MinceR | like the major version being the version of the interface | Mar 09 17:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Example of anti-semitic attacks on WikiLeaks http://alturl.com/k5hti !wl | Mar 09 17:46 | |
| MinceR | and it tends to be the only thing that matters as far as actually being able to load and use the .so goes | Mar 09 17:46 |
| MinceR | (if arch is correct, of course) | Mar 09 17:47 |
| cubexyz | thank goodness for LFS and coreboot ;-) | Mar 09 17:47 |
| cubexyz | ok, I know, too hard-core | Mar 09 17:47 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora still provides (optional) compatibility versions of old glibc and such | Mar 09 17:47 |
| MinceR | that's nice of them | Mar 09 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | including their broken "2.96" release | Mar 09 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | from Red Hat 7 | Mar 09 17:48 |
| MinceR | certain other distros don't seem to care | Mar 09 17:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bonnshakespeare: The cast for #TamingOfTheShrew is now official: http://busc.de #busc | Mar 09 17:48 | |
| cubexyz | too bad loki couldn't or wouldn't open source their games | Mar 09 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat had their arguments for calling it GCC 2.96 and releasing it | Mar 09 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | the problem was the Linux kernel code was so bad that almost everything broke when fed to a standards compliant compiler | Mar 09 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | at that time | Mar 09 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | so they ended up having to ship a second gcc dubbed, kgcc to build the kernel | Mar 09 17:49 |
| cubexyz | that's kind of why I have so many Linux boxes with different versions | Mar 09 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 09 17:49 |
| MinceR | yet RH7 was a breath of fresh air after winblows | Mar 09 17:50 |
| cubexyz | you could go back further than that | Mar 09 17:50 |
| cubexyz | what was big in 1995? | Mar 09 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | I remember grabbing Linux 2.6.0 and building it for Mandrake | Mar 09 17:50 |
| MinceR | that's what i started on, though | Mar 09 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't feel like waiting | Mar 09 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | Mandrake was a few months away from another release and I was sick of 2.4 and its damned lag | Mar 09 17:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] OTVArabic - Wikileaks Episode 1 http://alturl.com/oeoco !wl | Mar 09 17:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bonnshakespeare: If you ever wanted to learn how to direct a stage play, join us this weekend. More info: http://busc.de | Mar 09 17:51 | |
| cubexyz | I played around with BeOS in 1997 | Mar 09 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | there were various low latency patches floating around for Linux 2.4 that helped | Mar 09 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | but it was still quite bad | Mar 09 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | the solution to the problem is of course, to not discuss the problem | Mar 09 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | what problem? there is no problem! | Mar 09 17:53 |
| cubexyz | I guess Yggdrasil topped out in 1995 | Mar 09 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | then after 2.6 was out, they started to say "Hey use 2.6, 2.4 has LAAAAAG!" | Mar 09 17:53 |
| cubexyz | and Redhat started what, 1994 or so | Mar 09 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | 1993 | Mar 09 17:53 |
| cubexyz | ah ok | Mar 09 17:53 |
| cubexyz | wikipedia says Red Hat 1.0 in Nov 1994 | Mar 09 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | they had pre-1.0 iirc | Mar 09 17:55 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: probably that's when people started to have something to compare the lag to | Mar 09 17:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 09 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | they had betas out in May | Mar 09 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | for a long time their answer to KDE was to just ignore it | Mar 09 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | then they started supporting it, badly | Mar 09 17:56 |
| cubexyz | so what was the first redhat with KDE? | Mar 09 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | breaking it to be as dumbed down as GNOME | Mar 09 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | I think Red Hat 7 had it | Mar 09 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | and the "BlueCurve" theme | Mar 09 17:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: ACS:LAW on BBC 1 - Thursday 10th March @ 7pm http://tinyurl.com/6yu57vs !piracy !tpb !acslaw !bbc !bittorrent !torrent | Mar 09 17:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL. | Mar 09 17:56 | |
| DaemonFC | no wait, it was 8 that had BlueCurve, I remember the bitching | Mar 09 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | they were dumbing it down to be like GNOME | Mar 09 17:57 |
| cubexyz | yeah I used 8 | Mar 09 17:57 |
| cubexyz | did it not have KDE? | Mar 09 17:57 |
| MinceR | RH7 did have KDE | Mar 09 17:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Steer clear of #Android Market and its #DRM http://ur1.ca/3fyjk !dbd http://www.defectivebydesign.org | Mar 09 17:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why does a repeat get rendered as "RT" in heybuddy? @jezra, fix that! ;) | Mar 09 17:58 | |
| DaemonFC | right, but 8 was BlueCurve | Mar 09 17:58 |
| ---Received a CTCP VERSION from AddL | Mar 09 17:58 | |
| DaemonFC | I remember one Red Hat employee quit over that | Mar 09 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | said he refused to help them break KDE | Mar 09 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | I really don't see what the big deal is | Mar 09 17:59 |
| MinceR | what was wrong with BlueCurve? | Mar 09 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's a theme, users can change themes they don't like | Mar 09 17:59 |
| MinceR | it seemed to look all right to me | Mar 09 17:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh send that bug to the client that posted the "RT". | Mar 09 18:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Identi.ca web. It's the API. | Mar 09 18:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Q: Why is free software important in the 21st century? A: Freedom! http://ur1.ca/3fyub (ogg video) | Mar 09 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh yes it is, and I don't like that "twitter-compatible" crap. | Mar 09 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Can't you change it in post? :P | Mar 09 18:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Example of anti-semitic attacks on WikiLeaks http://youtube.com/watch?v=BTFzMzBdew4 http://bit.ly/dSXv60 | Mar 09 18:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: OTVArabic - Wikileaks Episode 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=cNt0v6eeqRo http://bit.ly/fLFvrh | Mar 09 18:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh I could, but I certainly prefer to *not* edit was someone else's words, unless it is @methoddan announcing the netbook winner ;) | Mar 09 18:10 | |
| ---cubexyz gives channel operator status to cubezzz | Mar 09 18:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Meh, fuck it. Sometimes you gotta roll the hard six. | Mar 09 18:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] So much still to do but I simply gotta sleep.... Catch you on the other side, folks! Oo | Mar 09 18:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh I'll take a natural 20 over the hard 6 anyday! | Mar 09 18:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh: no. I suffer from that in !elmdentica as well. !statusnet people not inclined to fix that bug, claim WONTFIX | Mar 09 18:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] I have a recycle status for that in !elmdentica ♻ @jezra: @fabsh yes it is, and I don't like that "twitter-compatible" crap. | Mar 09 18:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] We need a FLOSS toolkit for creating !Wikileaks copies. All tools needed to set up a secure site for anonymous data transfers in one package | Mar 09 18:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: Windows 7 app sales error? – Next Web gets corrected by developer http://tinyurl.com/6f6v4ht !wp7 !microsoft !windows7 !mvpbuzz | Mar 09 18:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Waterboarding is torture, but not when the U.S. does it http://ur1.ca/3fz9m | Mar 09 18:35 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 09 18:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Very cogent analysis of the fiasco: #NPR falls into the right's trap, twice http://ur1.ca/3fz8k | Mar 09 18:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #BBC staff tortured by pro-Gadaffi forces #Lybia http://tighturl.com/2zsn | Mar 09 18:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Canonical tips Oneiric Ocelot release amid !Ubuntu controversy http://ow.ly/4bhEj | Mar 09 18:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @karinlow: Dear Snow, You can stop falling now. Thanks, Me. | Mar 09 18:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rsandu: CentOS 5.6 expected for Monday, March 14th http://is.gd/76KOZD #centos #centos5 #gnu #linux #redhat #fedora #software | Mar 09 18:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: U.S. officials pushed products deemed unsafe by China http://is.gd/h8ig5B !wl | Mar 09 19:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Arab Revolutions Through the WikiLeaks Lens | FP http://is.gd/wIH5xT !wl | Mar 09 19:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Cable identified 23 in Australia with Qaeda links http://is.gd/OY1o7p !wl | Mar 09 19:11 | |
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| Daemonfc | ok, I finally got Ubuntu's AppArmor and ureadahead patches to apply cleanly | Mar 09 19:14 |
| Daemonfc | victory is mine! | Mar 09 19:14 |
| Daemonfc | damn you jono why can't Canonical be more transparent? | Mar 09 19:14 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 09 19:14 |
| Daemonfc | "We applied this patch and that patch, no we're not telling you how to get ahold of them!" | Mar 09 19:15 |
| Daemonfc | you get a choice of pulling their entire git tree and trying to figure out what they did or getting a tarball with all of the patches applied and building it as-is, bugs and all | Mar 09 19:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks sheds light on Monitor Group work with Libyan security organization | Examiner http://is.gd/R8oSId !wl | Mar 09 19:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Progressives Lose When They Accept the Right's Framing: The #Market and #Inequality http://ur1.ca/3fzxi | Mar 09 19:16 | |
| oiaohm | Daemonfc: at least a redhat or Fedora will work out box with a stock kernel. | Mar 09 19:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @csoghoian: Law firm at center of HBGary/Chamber spying scandal holding privacy reception at DC Spy Museum tonight http://is.gd/1t3V9u | Mar 09 19:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: In the Commons chamber before votes tonight. It is uncommonly loud with chatter. | Mar 09 19:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @kennethlipp: Proposed: Women get death if they miscarry http://t.co/LPrCFHC @Emma_A War in US against #reproductiverights | Mar 09 19:25 | |
| Daemonfc | I've been trying to tweak my kernel to speed up the drm/radeon bits | Mar 09 19:25 |
| Daemonfc | I've had some success | Mar 09 19:25 |
| Daemonfc | I know glxgears is not a benchmark, but I went from 800 or so fps with stock Ubuntu to 4500 or so with latest video driver stuff / x.org | Mar 09 19:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @kennethlipp: @Emma_A Haha. Yes. We need a campaign #DeathtoOnanists #SaveaTadpole #JizzhasFeelingsToo | Mar 09 19:26 | |
| Daemonfc | now I get to use apt to beat Ubuntu's crappy kernel over the head and toss it in the wood chipper | Mar 09 19:27 |
| Daemonfc | no offense to jono | Mar 09 19:28 |
| Daemonfc | B-) | Mar 09 19:28 |
| jono | Daemonfc, you, offensive? never, pal :-) | Mar 09 19:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: “Clement Attlee is a modest man who has much to be modest about” - Winston Churchill #quote | Mar 09 19:28 | |
| Daemonfc | jono: With all the attention to detail, you'd think Ubuntu could pimp my Radeon for me | Mar 09 19:29 |
| Daemonfc | right? | Mar 09 19:29 |
| Daemonfc | jono: Ryan has a RadeonHD, he would like it to be faster than his 3dfx Voodoo 2 in Ubuntu, he is sad that he has to fix it himself. | Mar 09 19:32 |
| Daemonfc | the start of a use case? | Mar 09 19:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Anony_Ops: Don't Let TPP Become the Next ACTA: Contact Your Lawmakers and Demand Transparency!: http://bit.ly/iiHABk | Mar 09 19:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: RT @MikeElk: UNION LEADERS TO CALL EMERGENCY MEETING TO DISCUSS GENERAL STRIKE #wiunion | Mar 09 19:33 | |
| jono | Daemonfc, hehe | Mar 09 19:34 |
| Daemonfc | jono bought an Nvidia card and is currently smacking his head against the keyboard, jono knows that no matter what he does with it, it is the wrong course of action | Mar 09 19:34 |
| Daemonfc | poor hypothetical jono | Mar 09 19:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sergiorauber/@sergiorauber] RT @wikileaks2: WikiLeaks sheds light on Monitor Group work with Libyan security organization | Examiner http://is.gd/R8oSId !wl | Mar 09 19:35 | |
| Daemonfc | MinceR bought a system with Intel Extreme(ly bad) Graphics, or whatever they call those these days, he doesn't seem to mind that Intel has basically forked Mesa and bloated the X.org Server with a modesetting method that only they use, or that it is mostly just a step up from LLVMPIPE | Mar 09 19:37 |
| Daemonfc | MinceR is 1337 | Mar 09 19:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Mozilla launches Firefox 4.0 release candidate (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/hQuY1N | Mar 09 19:40 | |
| Daemonfc | jono: I raided Debian Multimedia and got the S3TC libraries | Mar 09 19:40 |
| Daemonfc | Sauerbraten perked up quite a lot | Mar 09 19:40 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 09 19:40 |
| Daemonfc | you have to be running pretty much the latest kernel and x.org/mesa stack or the stupid command stream checker won't allow it | Mar 09 19:41 |
| Daemonfc | I say stack because it's not one driver, it's something like 2 drivers and 3 components (X Server, libdrm, mesa/gallium) | Mar 09 19:42 |
| Daemonfc | it's starting to look like the planets have to be aligned for your video card to work | Mar 09 19:42 |
| Daemonfc | jono would probably describe it as a lot of full moons out there beaming bozo rays into everyone's brains | Mar 09 19:43 |
| Daemonfc | and I would say I have to agree with this assessment | Mar 09 19:43 |
| Daemonfc | jono: When do you figure Red Hat will be done writing Wayland so you can take it? | Mar 09 19:44 |
| Daemonfc | :D | Mar 09 19:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Conversation with PayPal Support regarding Wikileaks (recording) http://alturl.com/tjidk !wl | Mar 09 19:46 | |
| jono | lol | Mar 09 19:47 |
| Daemonfc | I'm excited for Ubuntu, they'll take Wayland and make it purple | Mar 09 19:48 |
| Daemonfc | these are exciting times | Mar 09 19:48 |
| Daemonfc | it can interface with your driver and compositing manager and totally render the window controls backwards | Mar 09 19:49 |
| Daemonfc | brilliant! | Mar 09 19:49 |
| Daemonfc | you can't get these results on X | Mar 09 19:50 |
| Daemonfc | I'd like to thank Phoronix for doubling the size of my ad block list | Mar 09 19:51 |
| Daemonfc | jesus | Mar 09 19:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @MaryKostakidis: Come to a big public rally at Sydney Town Hall 6pm 16 March in support of Assange and freedom of information !wl | Mar 09 19:51 | |
| Daemonfc | he runs benchmarks every day to note 1% +/- | Mar 09 19:52 |
| Daemonfc | and packs the page full of ads | Mar 09 19:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” http://ping.fm/F4Ryu | Mar 09 19:53 | |
| Daemonfc | he's all like "ZOMG! with sqlite and 7zip Linux 2.6.38 is 1% slower than 2.6.32, let's all just totally ignore that your RadeonHD is twice as fast, and I'll just not flip on all this neat performance related stuff new to .38!" | Mar 09 19:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] LWN.net Weekly Edition for March 10, 2011 http://lwn.net/Articles/430942/rss | Mar 09 19:56 | |
| Daemonfc | transparent huge page support and delayed logging make XFS a beast | Mar 09 19:58 |
| Daemonfc | B-) | Mar 09 19:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: Esoterica II – David e Golias http://goo.gl/3rxmg | Mar 09 20:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @magicbus: http://goo.gl/6g70k Safari/Mac OS X the first to be owned. Webkit (naturally) is blamed. | Mar 09 20:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @jackschofield: Safari/MacBook first to fall at #Pwn2Own 2011, by Ryan Naraine at ZD Net http://zd.net/g7flLB | Mar 09 20:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Thank the brave #WI state senators who fled the state to protect worker's rights. http://ur1.ca/3g1jv #CREDOMobile #solidarityWI | Mar 09 20:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ryanaraine: #Pwn2Own 2011: IE8 on Windows 7 hijacked with 3 vulnerabilities http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=8367 | Mar 09 20:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Don't let the Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your representative and demand transparency: https://eff.org/r.2z7 | Mar 09 20:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @eff Don't let the Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your representative and demand transparency: https://eff. ... | Mar 09 20:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ryanaraine chrome survives day 1 at #pwn2own. the contestants who signed up for chrome were no-shows. they'll try again tomorrow | Mar 09 20:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I wonder if this will work in a very humid area like Singapore? Would love to try it at the west coast park. http://vimeo.com/14168034 #fb | Mar 09 20:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Don't let Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your congress*n & demand transparency https://eff.org/r.2z7 | Mar 09 20:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Conversation w/ PayPal Support regarding !WikiLeaks (recording) > http://youtu.be/QIY9VnGSc08 [claims donations will not be kept by PayPal] | Mar 09 20:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @w3c Web Tracking and User Privacy: The Next Steps. http://ow.ly/1bH5Xt | Mar 09 20:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL. | Mar 09 20:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: China's top-secret SC-19 anti-satellite missile http://is.gd/kDOPBc !wl | Mar 09 21:21 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Wow, Roy's been gone for quite awhile | Mar 09 21:24 |
| Daemonfc | ryan@ryan-MS-7501:~/$ glxinfo | grep Gallium | Mar 09 21:25 |
| Daemonfc | OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOOD | Mar 09 21:25 |
| Daemonfc | ryan@ryan-MS-7501:~/$ uname -a | Mar 09 21:26 |
| Daemonfc | Linux ryan-MS-7501 2.6.38-rc8-ryan1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Mar 9 18:40:14 EST 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux | Mar 09 21:26 |
| oiaohm | http://identi.ca/schestowitz GoForbes28 Moving houses | Mar 09 21:26 |
| Daemonfc | B-) | Mar 09 21:26 |
| oiaohm | Daemonfc: so prity close to a stock kernel? | Mar 09 21:27 |
| Daemonfc | aside from three apparmor patches, it is stock | Mar 09 21:27 |
| oiaohm | With the closed source ati drivers they will catch up with huge pages after 2.6.38 is released. | Mar 09 21:27 |
| oiaohm | most likely catch up with BKL at the same time. | Mar 09 21:28 |
| Daemonfc | I don't even care, I'm done with FGLRX and its bad behavior, random shittiness | Mar 09 21:28 |
| Daemonfc | It seems like every month they fix some bugs, and I find as many or more someplace else, it's like they're just shifting them around | Mar 09 21:29 |
| oiaohm | Not there is about 1200 bugs in it. | Mar 09 21:30 |
| oiaohm | So the number is dropping it started at over 3000 when AMD got ATI. | Mar 09 21:30 |
| Daemonfc | I suspect that their Enterprise customers bitches about something, and they hack around the problem and make a few more | Mar 09 21:30 |
| Daemonfc | I'm sure that's how Catalyst works | Mar 09 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Think back to prior to the AMD aquirement . | Mar 09 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Compared to then the Catalyet driver now are high quality. | Mar 09 21:31 |
| oiaohm | But they still sux. | Mar 09 21:31 |
| Daemonfc | AMD should have bought Nvidia, at least they wouldn't have this nightmare | Mar 09 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia was not cheep enough. | Mar 09 21:32 |
| Daemonfc | ATI was all about cutting corners, half-assing, and jerry rigging | Mar 09 21:32 |
| oiaohm | To be correct ATI chip designers were not half bad. | Mar 09 21:33 |
| oiaohm | Driver developers and Legal department in ATI have really had AMD rip right threw them for incompetence. | Mar 09 21:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #DOD Passes the Buck Rather than Let #Kucinich Visit #BradleyManning http://ur1.ca/3g30g | Mar 09 21:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #DOD Declares #War on … Underwear http://ur1.ca/3g30z | Mar 09 21:35 | |
| Daemonfc | I think it's weird how this open source stack is being developed | Mar 09 21:36 |
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| Daemonfc | I'm surprised that it's progressing as quickly as it is | Mar 09 21:36 |
| oiaohm | AMD is serious about it. | Mar 09 21:36 |
| oiaohm | Things would move lot faster if the legal deparment clearances were not required. | Mar 09 21:37 |
| oiaohm | in a way that takes a few months. | Mar 09 21:37 |
| oiaohm | Due to the fact ATI docs were not clean. | Mar 09 21:37 |
| oiaohm | AMD is almost to the point that all new cards that can release all the specs before they enter production. Daemonfc | Mar 09 21:38 |
| oiaohm | Ie AMD does that with there CPU's for years. | Mar 09 21:38 |
| Daemonfc | yeah, binary drivers are maddening | Mar 09 21:40 |
| Daemonfc | the extra performance isn't even worth the headache | Mar 09 21:40 |
| Daemonfc | so I'm not even going to use FGLRX anymore | Mar 09 21:40 |
| Daemonfc | the thing that pisses me off the most is how you have to wait until AMD is damned good and ready to release their monthly update before maybe using the latest kernel | Mar 09 21:41 |
| Daemonfc | (or maybe you wait another month) | Mar 09 21:41 |
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| oiaohm | Daemonfc: intentional policy | Mar 09 21:46 |
| oiaohm | Daemonfc: to force focus on the open source drivers. | Mar 09 21:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Political prisoner Bradley Manning's state dangerously deteriorating http://alturl.com/pk64g !wl | Mar 09 21:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Julian Assange, The Man Behind WikiLeaks | CBS interview http://is.gd/kiFOef !wl | Mar 09 22:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl !wl | Mar 09 22:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] No dinner companions tonight so it's time to cook the tuna steak and drink the merlot. | Mar 09 22:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry !wl | Mar 09 22:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] nice to do #adhoc #teaching. explained a colleague yesterday about basic #programming skills; loops, data structs, etc. today he showed it! | Mar 09 22:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @mairin #sxsw here we come! /cc: !fedora | Mar 09 22:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I'm "this" close to quitting #Twitter. Tag-based auto-followers = the plague. Besides, I prefer identi.ca's features. | Mar 09 22:48 | |
| Ender2070 | http://www.infowars.com/soros-communist-chinese-model-of-order-may-become-the-envy-of-the-world/ | Mar 09 22:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Amazing piece: Five Ways to Be Tone Deaf in #Washington http://ur1.ca/3g3v5 #MotherJones #MoJo | Mar 09 23:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] These #GOP #Budget Cuts Might Make You Puke (or Worse) http://ur1.ca/3g4cx #food #safety #health #MotherJones #MoJo #wtf | Mar 09 23:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @rejon RT @taweili Who Will be the Steve Jobs of China? http://flpbd.it/MI88 Jobs is unique, one in a billion... Wait... Still dumb q ... | Mar 09 23:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #FLOSS Weekly 156 with @methoddan: !SELinux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5VNrXOr6s | Mar 09 23:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] I know @methoddan is not the guest Dan Walsh, but the host Dan Lynch ;-) /cc: !SELinux | Mar 09 23:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] State Has No Obligation To Protect Police Officers, Ottawa To Argue At Appeal - http://bit.ly/hLWqA7 #cdnpoli | Mar 09 23:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Even older in Stardate measurement...RT @Finola William Shatner is almost 80? omg. - Makes me feel old too! | Mar 09 23:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I am late today, I missed Runa's Talk, now she is answering questions of audience after talk - #kdeconf #kdeindia #confkdein | Mar 09 23:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Next Talk - Opportunities around Nokia platforms and emerging app economy #kdeconf #kdeindia #confkdein | Mar 09 23:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Please update schedule on Tweet and Dents #kdeconf #confkdein @pradeepto @ApurvaTripathi @madcap_loon @kushaldas @kdeindia @rajitsingh | Mar 09 23:53 | |
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