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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Spuneți NU restricționării accesului la Web, chiar și în aceste cazuri ! http://is.gd/k5qUD2 #romania #internet #freedom #webMar 09 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Simultanology - http://bit.ly/f9oXx3 more thought-provoking stuff from Kevin KellyMar 09 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Adobe releases Flash to !html converter called "Wallaby" http://ur1.ca/3fluoMar 09 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Adobe releases Flash to !html5 converter called "Wallaby" http://ur1.ca/3fluoMar 09 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong" - http://bit.ly/e6sD3m an unpredictable player #copyrightMar 09 00:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Gertrud-Bäumer-Realschule http://b1t.it/ciF #4sqMar 09 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More [PPA] http://bit.ly/gw8BkZMar 09 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Packt Publishing Believes in Open Source, Donates Over $300K to Projects - http://bit.ly/f2mIA1 kudos #opensource #publishingMar 09 00:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @webupd8: gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More [PPA] http://bit.ly/gw8BkZMar 09 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: RT @instantshift Understanding the Theory of Minimalism in Web Design http://bit.ly/houv4zMar 09 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Free Speech Flag to be removed from Wikipedia?: http://news.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/03/08/1459252#commentlistingMar 09 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mapopa: What is worse than propietary flash : obfuscated bloated xml svg http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1256900Mar 09 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @richslxh: #Adobe releases #Flash to #html5 converter called "Wallaby" Better for #linux users http://ur1.ca/3fluoMar 09 00:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @AndreiAvadanei: #Adobe a lansat convertor #Flash-to-HTML5 poreclit Wallaby http://goo.gl/fb/pFibH #gnu #linuxMar 09 00:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] getting ready to hack on libtaskmanager some more. that thing is like an old friend that is always there.Mar 09 00:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh /s/fowls/fouls/ 0.oMar 09 00:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] writing a blog entry like http://ur1.ca/3fcf0 is unnerving as it is an uncomfortable sort of topic and (partly) about othersMar 09 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] So, first we get told Pluto isn't a planet, and now they get this one wrong as well >_> #astronomer #fail http://ur1.ca/3fmbhMar 09 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mihaibaboi: #Motorola Defy vs concurenţa - Blogul lui Emil! http://bit.ly/h27XSb #mobile #romaniaMar 09 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] so it is reassuring that it strikes a chord with some of our friends in GNOME too, e.g.: http://ur1.ca/3fmbjMar 09 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @guardiannews: French police find jewels worth £15.4m in Paris sewer http://gu.com/p/2nj3e/tfMar 09 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mascateatru: De a ta sărutare, Zaraza, vreau să mor și eu! http://wp.me/peKn5-2oeMar 09 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Trip Hawkins, founder of Electronic Arts, says that browsers are the gaming platform of the future: http://ur1.ca/3fmftMar 09 00:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @mossgarden when someone asks me to do something that takes two seconds for them because they don't have time... I don't really want ...Mar 09 00:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @glynmoody: Packt Publishing Believes in Open Source, Donates Over $300K to Projects - http://bit.ly/f2mIA1 kudos #opensource #publishingMar 09 00:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] . @pradeepto Just discussed about Spoken Tutorial project - one can know more about it http://ur1.ca/3fmja #kdeconf #kdeindiaMar 09 00:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] very sad to see Windows laptop connected to Projector at conf #kdeconf #kdeindia, There are many new user who will get wrong impression :(Mar 09 00:50
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MinceRgeekingsMar 09 00:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux backup: the complete guide http://is.gd/V1qQZ6 #gnu #linux #backup #securityMar 09 00:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Multi-Core Scaling http://is.gd/M6qHze #gnu #linux #kernel #softwareMar 09 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 5 Things OS X Does Better than Linux http://is.gd/ge1zIr #gnu #linux #software #osx #appleMar 09 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @dfscot Today is No Smoking Day - shouldn't that be every day?Mar 09 01:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Upgrading PCs http://is.gd/picTu7 #hardware #softwareMar 09 01:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Ten ways Windows fails but Linux does not http://is.gd/wzl7zi #microsoft #windows #office #msofficeMar 09 01:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Cum te conectezi la calculatoare #Windows de la distanță? Prin #VNC, protocol standardizat, NU Remote Desktop http://www.tightvnc.com/ #msftMar 09 01:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Why !Android phones are targets for Trojans (and how to protect your phone) http://goo.gl/OArEjMar 09 01:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [self RT] Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStIMar 09 01:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Chromium blog: A Mini-Newsletter From Your Google Chrome Security Team http://goo.gl/VjgqTMar 09 01:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @themoovida Working on a #git/#mercurial cheatsheet.comments/corrections welcome http://tinyurl.com/4bzzsneMar 09 01:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDEConf Live Dents/Tweets - http://twitter.com/#search?q=kdeconf%20OR%20kdeindia%20OR%20confkdeinMar 09 01:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #XKCD: Mathematically Annoying Advertising http://xkcd.com/870/Mar 09 01:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] England 'healthier than the US' - http://bbc.in/hvEl1O intriguing #healthMar 09 01:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] IsItOpen[Drug]Data? - http://bit.ly/fbGsoZ nice moves in world of chemistry #opendata #openchemistryMar 09 01:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Android now more profitable than #iOS for well-known game developer - http://bit.ly/eXalMB "Android has become our primary interest"Mar 09 01:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] China to realize online train ticket booking with real-name system - http://bit.ly/hDjud1 whoa... #surveillanceMar 09 01:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Foresight !Linux 2.5.0 Release Candidate Galore! http://goo.gl/Jy9nJMar 09 01:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] First good news of the day. Application to extend a very tight deadline in a big case has been granted :-)Mar 09 01:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStIMar 09 01:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] The Universal Runtime http://goo.gl/pw9XiMar 09 01:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Henri Bergius: Trying out #Cloud9IDE: Developing software in your browser http://goo.gl/F9PFQMar 09 01:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Fedora 15 Alpha Post-Installation Guide for Gnome http://goo.gl/DDjRS "4. Execute as root: yum groupinstall -y kde-desktop" lol :DMar 09 01:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8 !PPA updates: #Parcellite 1.0, #PuddleTag 0.10.0 http://goo.gl/gD9uZMar 09 01:40
sebsebsebAnyone here?Mar 09 01:42
MinceRyesMar 09 01:42
sebsebsebMinceR: I just  read about the name for Ubuntu 11.10Mar 09 01:42
MinceRthe name seems all rightMar 09 01:43
MinceRthe distro itself, on the other hand...Mar 09 01:43
sebsebsebthe name seems, weirdMar 09 01:43
sebsebsebanyway like I expected, they would do Unity 2D by defaultMar 09 01:43
sebsebsebmakes sense, they are going Gnome 3 as well with that one, except for shell by defaultMar 09 01:44
MinceRnow they could boot mono and banshee to make room for QtMar 09 01:44
MinceRand to end the banshee referral code problem :>Mar 09 01:44
sebsebsebheh yeahMar 09 01:44
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway people may as well not use Ubuntu,  as in not use Kubuntu or Lubuntu or XUbuntuMar 09 01:45
sebsebsebif they are going to use UbuntuMar 09 01:45
sebsebsebunless they use UnityMar 09 01:45
sebsebsebthat's what I think, since yep other  distro's :)Mar 09 01:45
MinceRthey might as well use debian or fedora or whateverMar 09 01:45
sebsebsebyep if going to use KDE or XFCE or LXDE, may as well use some other distro :)Mar 09 01:46
oiaohmMinceR: remember they have also made the mistake under my countries laws with rythombox.Mar 09 01:46
MinceRoiaohm: what did they do?Mar 09 01:46
sebsebseboiaohm: oh?Mar 09 01:46
oiaohmAltered the stores.  MinceRMar 09 01:46
MinceRwhat australian law prohibits it?Mar 09 01:46
MinceR(just in general terms, no need for exact ID :> )Mar 09 01:46
oiaohmFalls under false representation.Mar 09 01:47
MinceRhow?Mar 09 01:47
oiaohmPrograms look a 100 percent the same even that the ID has been change.Mar 09 01:47
oiaohmIe so customer could presume they are funding gnome when in fact the money is going 75 percent to ubuntu and 25 percent to gnome.Mar 09 01:48
MinceRicMar 09 01:48
oiaohmAlso can get confusing for customer if banshee or rythombox decided to directly release a version for ubuntuMar 09 01:48
oiaohmSince the 2 programs would look the same but infact have different outcomes.Mar 09 01:49
oiaohmBasically there are very good reason why what Ubuntu just did is illegal in many countries.  MinceRMar 09 01:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Thanks for the contagion (NOT) now we're both stuck at home :) ♺ @lilbernie: Suffering from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaryngitisMar 09 01:50
MinceRicMar 09 01:50
oiaohmBasically to be legal ubuntu did not alter enough.  MinceRMar 09 01:51
oiaohmA simple (Ubuntu) after amazon store entry would have been enough so user could see the difference.Mar 09 01:52
oiaohmTrickerly to get money is not tollerated under most countries laws.Mar 09 01:53
MinceRcan anyone other than the banshee devs sue for that in this case, though?Mar 09 01:53
sebsebsebMinceR: Mint is pretty wow now days reallyMar 09 01:54
sebsebsebMinceR: takes what is good from Ubuntu, does added user friendly, and looks better by default :)Mar 09 01:54
MinceRit's still either ubuntu or a rolling release thoughMar 09 01:54
sebsebseband of course that version based directly on Debian for a while now as wellMar 09 01:54
sebsebsebMinceR: Gnome 3 for next MintMar 09 01:55
sebsebsebnot shell or unity thoughMar 09 01:55
sebsebsebby defaultMar 09 01:55
sebsebseb,but can run unity and shell anyway with Mint next one, so :dMar 09 01:55
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway Aprl is coming soon,  Kubuntu 9.10 runs out of support, you could try and maintain yourself, or switch distro :DMar 09 01:55
sebsebsebI hear Mandriva  and PC Linux OS calling you to try them, but also whatever the next version of Mageia is saying that you should maybe try it, even though it's still developmentMar 09 01:56
MinceRyes, i knowMar 09 01:57
sebsebsebI meant above, the version of Mageia at the time, whatever the latest is thenMar 09 01:57
sebsebsebwhichever development version it is then, alpha 3 or something I guessMar 09 01:57
MinceRdoesn't mageia obsolete mandriva?Mar 09 01:57
sebsebsebfirst Mageia will be very similar to Mandriva,  since it's basically just a re branded Mandriva pretty muchMar 09 01:58
sebsebsebthen after that one, they should start doing their own thing quite a bit moreMar 09 01:58
oiaohmMinceR: Any consumer can sue. Under fair trading(consumer law breach)Mar 09 02:01
oiaohmAnd worst nightmare is anyone providing it is on the table to pay for it.Mar 09 02:01
sebsebsebhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/17800/google_and_microsoft_offer_nokia_hundreds_of_millions_to_abandon_meego_symbianMar 09 02:02
sebsebsebsays it's from February thoughMar 09 02:02
oiaohmMinceR: Banshee trademark owns to Novell and Novell could go Ubuntu for miss use of trademark and be seeking to take ubuntu trademarks as settlement to prevent future infringments.Mar 09 02:03
sebsebseboiaohm: MinceR hopefuly Canonical mess Ubuntu up enough soon, in a wayMar 09 02:04
sebsebsebthen off laods of poeple go to other distro's :DMar 09 02:04
sebsebsebpeopleMar 09 02:04
MinceR:>Mar 09 02:04
sebsebsebanyway the most popular software tend to be good reallyMar 09 02:04
sebsebsebthe industry standards you knowMar 09 02:04
MinceRoiaohm: novell won't do it though, nor will any other of the monomaniacsMar 09 02:04
sebsebsebalso software that is trying to go main streame, going by Ubuntu, well yep it becomes pretty bad reallyMar 09 02:05
oiaohmMinceR: Novell new ownerMar 09 02:05
oiaohmMinceR: we have a wild card.Mar 09 02:05
MinceRattackmate? i think that's just more of the sameMar 09 02:05
sebsebsebuh aboveMar 09 02:05
sebsebsebthat was meant to sayMar 09 02:05
sebsebsebthe most popular software does not tend to be good reallyMar 09 02:05
sebsebsebor not that goodMar 09 02:05
sebsebsebWindowsMar 09 02:05
sebsebsebPhotoshopMar 09 02:05
sebsebsebMicrosoft OfficeMar 09 02:05
sebsebsebMac OS XMar 09 02:05
oiaohmattackmate is a normally at take strip and proft company.   MinceRMar 09 02:05
sebsebsebto name someMar 09 02:06
MinceRicMar 09 02:06
MinceRwell, they could blackmail m$ for thisMar 09 02:06
MinceRthat's a good outcome too, i guessMar 09 02:06
oiaohmMinceR: so getting hands on ubuntu would suit there mod of operation.Mar 09 02:06
sebsebsebIphoneMar 09 02:06
sebsebsebPlaystation 3?Mar 09 02:06
sebsebsebBluerayMar 09 02:06
sebsebseb?Mar 09 02:06
oiaohmMinceR: also Redhat and Novell have trademark wared before.Mar 09 02:07
MinceRps3 was pretty much crippled since it was introducedMar 09 02:07
oiaohmMinceR: Both walked away with a respect for trademarks and a complete knowledge how to use them.Mar 09 02:07
sebsebsebexamples of software not that isn't that good, but is trying to go main strame, recent versions of Ubuntu, and I guess Windows Phone 7 as wellMar 09 02:07
sebsebsebnow, not, not above, stupid typosMar 09 02:07
sebsebsebMinceR: Ubuntu used to be so greatMar 09 02:07
oiaohmMinceR: Like including the fact you don't threat a person with trademark instead you just take them to court.Mar 09 02:08
sebsebsebMinceR: and then Canonical started messing it upMar 09 02:08
sebsebsebtrying to go main streameMar 09 02:08
oiaohmMinceR: And the point Novell will act is just after the release of 11.04Mar 09 02:08
oiaohmMinceR: If they are going to.Mar 09 02:08
oiaohmMinceR: And for consumer law to be applied also has to wait until the release of 11.04Mar 09 02:09
MinceR:>Mar 09 02:12
oiaohmWhat Canonical is trying to be done could have been done perfectly legally.Mar 09 02:15
oiaohmIts not hard.Mar 09 02:15
oiaohmDon't create something that could decieve someone.  Is that a hard point of view.Mar 09 02:15
oiaohmPersonally I would have just create 2 amazon store entries.Mar 09 02:16
oiaohmone with (Gnome) and one with (Ubuntu) with the different id behind it.Mar 09 02:16
oiaohmAnd left it to end users to choose who they were going to pay.Mar 09 02:16
oiaohmWait that breaks ubuntu idea of allowing users to have free will.Mar 09 02:17
MinceRubuntu has that idea?Mar 09 02:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jerezim Les gouvernements européens unis contre la société du savoir ? http://ur1.ca/3fo3j #IPRED #ACTA #Partage #EUMar 09 02:18
MinceRi thought they adopted the crApple "users are idiots and need to be controlled and restricted at every step" ideaMar 09 02:18
oiaohmIe ubuntu free will incompadible.Mar 09 02:22
MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/fzkvf/thats_it_were_quitting_no_more_quit_command_for/c1ju9x9Mar 09 02:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] An AMG CLS 63??? 6.3 l??? Seriously? This guy *has* to be a drug dealer.... WTFMar 09 02:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Nicu Buculei: Breaking News - !Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! Now with desktop icons! http://goo.gl/vcKEdMar 09 02:43
sebsebsebMinceR: what's the lancelot thingMar 09 02:44
sebsebsebwith this new name, I don't understand itMar 09 02:44
MinceRlancelot has a new name?Mar 09 02:44
sebsebsebnoMar 09 02:44
sebsebsebto do with this new Ubuntu code nameMar 09 02:45
sebsebsebsomeone did the Lancelot thing in a channel, but from the blog post:Mar 09 02:45
sebsebsebfrom the blog comments:Mar 09 02:45
sebsebsebfor exampleMar 09 02:45
sebsebsebthis:Mar 09 02:45
sebsebsebOh dear god. Prepare for people misspelling “Oneiric” as “Onieric”. Fiesty^WFeisty was bad enough :-( .Mar 09 02:45
sebsebsebThat being said, I actually like the name; it has a nice ring to it. It also reminds me of Lancelot.Mar 09 02:45
sebsebsebJust remember: I before E, except after C, or the name of an Ubuntu release.Mar 09 02:46
sebsebsebMinceR: Can you explain that to me? ^Mar 09 02:46
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MinceRi can'tMar 09 02:46
MinceRi don't know what "oneiric" has to do with "lancelot"Mar 09 02:47
sebsebsebhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/beyond-natty-the-next-version-of-ubuntu-linux/8418Mar 09 02:47
sebsebsebthen I went to the blog post about it later, but first said here I had read about it, by the wayMar 09 02:47
sebsebsebI Know not relivent, but anywayMar 09 02:47
MinceRother than that they're both wordsMar 09 02:47
sebsebsebhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/beyond-natty-the-next-version-of-ubuntu-linux/8418Mar 09 02:47
sebsebsebanyway Ubuntu hype :(Mar 09 02:47
sebsebsebCOME ON OTHER DISTRO'S GIVE UBUNTU SOME NICE PROPER COMPETITION!Mar 09 02:47
sebsebsebOTHER DISTRO'S YAY OTHER DISTRO'S YAY, GO ON, GO ON, GO ON, YES GO ON,  PROPER COMPETITION FOR UBUNTU YES PLEASE, WE SHOUT/CHANT :dMar 09 02:48
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway Canonical has been trying to make Ubuntu go main streame since well 9.04 reallyMar 09 02:48
sebsebsebwhen they got a design teamMar 09 02:49
sebsebseband 9.04 is when it started going badMar 09 02:49
sebsebsebproperly bad, just little stuff for 9.04 and 9.10, and then AH! for 10.04 and so on from there, as I have said beforeMar 09 02:49
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway I guess that's what happens to a lot of tech, it tries to go main streame, and then it sucksMar 09 02:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 is deemphasizing user customization, or theming in favour of a 'just works' and 'slick out of the box' approach http://goo.gl/59Ey1Mar 09 02:50
sebsebseband most main streame software does suck reallyMar 09 02:50
MinceRmaybe they thought they need to make another macos to go mainstreadMar 09 02:50
sebsebsebyep seems soMar 09 02:50
MinceRthen again, with all that crApple fanboyism going on in there it's not so surprisingMar 09 02:50
MinceRwith all the drooling that "omg omg omg crApple does design so well"Mar 09 02:50
sebsebsebthey seem to think they need to make something like OS X to go main streameMar 09 02:50
MinceR(no they don't, they suck at it)Mar 09 02:50
sebsebseb,but then again, going by the omgubuntu site, a lot of the slightly more expereinced Ubuntu users, like customising and docks and so on, so no wonderMar 09 02:51
MinceR(i mean, all that fanboyism/drooling seems to be going on _inside_ the company)Mar 09 02:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 doesn't want to confuse users... well, with options: http://goo.gl/gMJuOMar 09 02:51
sebsebsebwell yeah, both the company  and the UBuntu Community Members community as in those with membership, well loads of those will be fan boys or fan girlsMar 09 02:51
sebsebseband some of them really won't like it, if another distro get's recommended to someone insteadMar 09 02:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 'Global warming' vs. 'climate change': terminology matters - http://bit.ly/g4QV68 not too surprising, perhapsMar 09 02:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin's Chronicles: Unhappy with !GNOME 3? Just ditch it! http://goo.gl/w8KskMar 09 02:53
sebsebsebMinceR: hmm some slightly bad Gnome 3 stuff coming in on dents just now hmmMar 09 02:55
sebsebsebGnome Shell is good reallyMar 09 02:55
sebsebsebok it's differnet here and there, and will lack certain things from GNOME 2, BUTMar 09 02:55
sebsebsebwell 3.2 should be pretty good :)Mar 09 02:55
sebsebsebpeople just need to give it some time to improve a bit more after the first stable release I thinkMar 09 02:56
sebsebseba bit like KDE 4.0 reallyMar 09 02:56
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway have you noticed by going online,  you know comments to Linux stuff on sites and so on, a lot of idiots?Mar 09 02:56
oiaohmKDE 4.0 had a reason to be doggy.Mar 09 02:56
oiaohmComplete core ripped out and redone.Mar 09 02:56
sebsebseboiaohm: first stable versino of Gnome Shell is really a test as wellMar 09 02:56
sebsebseboiaohm: for examplle the no maximise and minimise buttons, that's a testMar 09 02:56
sebsebsebthey will add that back for 3.2  with good enough reasonMar 09 02:57
oiaohmGnome shell is still built on top of a known core.Mar 09 02:57
sebsebseboiaohm: right well  Gnome Shell is comopletly diffenret to Gnome 2 as wellMar 09 02:57
sebsebsebalso Gnome 3 is done with GTK 3 and so onMar 09 02:57
oiaohmIts more of a KDE 2.0 to KDE 3.0Mar 09 02:57
oiaohmNot a KDE 4.0 event.Mar 09 02:58
oiaohmBut even so there was no need to remove max and min buttions without leaving an option to turn them back on.Mar 09 02:58
oiaohmHmm does gnome have a on all desktops button?Mar 09 02:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stupid #EU #cookie law will hand the advantage to the US, kill our #startups stone dead - http://bit.ly/gPZeBi maladroitMar 09 03:00
sebsebseboiaohm: minimise doesn't really go into the design of Gnome Shell apparnatlyMar 09 03:01
sebsebseband maximise can be done in other waysMar 09 03:01
sebsebsebalso you can still minimizse, and maximise,  just no buttonMar 09 03:01
MinceRsebsebseb: gnome shell has no minimize and has maximize by dragging upwards, so it's stupidMar 09 03:02
sebsebsebone people are mainly ignoring though is the removing of the proper way to shut downMar 09 03:02
sebsebsebanyway maybe today not sure yet, but I should try out very latest GNome Shell really from a DVD/CDMar 09 03:02
sebsebsebalso the whiners can use Gnome 2 for quite a long while yet really :)Mar 09 03:03
sebsebsebit will be another year or so before most distro's that provide it now, no longer do I guessMar 09 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ECJ sinks plans for unified European #patent court - http://bit.ly/gdmqtR which is good: such a court would be disaster for #opensourceMar 09 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @qwghlm @glynmoody BBC article it's based on is FUD from the IAB, no-one at the BBC or TC has actually read law by the looks of thingsMar 09 03:05
sebsebsebGoing by the screenshot, an Ubuntu user wrote this, well no suprise then heh heh. http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2011/03/unhappy-with-gnome-3-just-ditch-it.htmlMar 09 03:06
sebsebsebhttp://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2011/03/unhappy-with-gnome-3-just-ditch-it.htmlMar 09 03:06
sebsebsebalso telling people to ditch Gnome 3, before it's even released in final, hmmMar 09 03:07
sebsebsebwell that right there, sounds like a Ubuntu user type of thing to do heh hehMar 09 03:07
oiaohmMasive change and the linux world is never compadible.Mar 09 03:09
sebsebseboh MinceR went away?Mar 09 03:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Breaking: #Zynga files for trademark on the word “Ville” in Europe - http://bit.ly/fGyAC9 that'll go down well in #franceMar 09 03:10
sebsebseboiaohm: don't you mean compatible ?Mar 09 03:10
oiaohmsebsebseb: Yes I was going after compatibleMar 09 03:11
sebsebseboiaohm: oh, but let's see, many Ubuntu users will whine about Gnome Shell yes, but how many about Ubuntu, probably not as many of them. Oh, but why?  Ah yes, since their beloved Canonical started Unity, I guess.  Plus it's got their social networking junk features in it, and dock type thing, and junk like that, hmm.Mar 09 03:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Beverage Companies Go Sustainable With Biodegradable Plastics, Ramped Up Recycling - http://tcrn.ch/huCLTY long overdue - & what about bags?Mar 09 03:11
sebsebsebalso I think many of them haven't even tried,  the version of Gnome Shell without the minimisie and maximise, before they start commenting on the web about itMar 09 03:12
oiaohmsebsebseb: More and more will get upset.Mar 09 03:12
sebsebsebwhateveverMar 09 03:12
sebsebsebthey can use UnityMar 09 03:12
sebsebsebGnome 2 for longerMar 09 03:12
sebsebsebXFCE, LXDE, and so onMar 09 03:12
oiaohmNo with ubuntu as a whole.Mar 09 03:12
sebsebsebif they don't like itMar 09 03:13
oiaohmUbuntu is very quickly turning into the next windows.Mar 09 03:13
sebsebseboiaohm: and yes more and more people getting annoyeed with Ubuntu now, and who were quite invovled with it :)Mar 09 03:13
sebsebseblike Windows, but looks like Mac OS X, you mean?Mar 09 03:13
oiaohmDid not Windows copy Mac?Mar 09 03:13
sebsebsebwell in some ways I guess Vista is like a Mac and Windows 7Mar 09 03:14
oiaohmThere was a huge court case about in  1995Mar 09 03:14
oiaohmOver the recycle bin vs trash and so on.Mar 09 03:14
sebsebsebmaybe, not sureMar 09 03:14
oiaohmThere was.Mar 09 03:14
sebsebsebhowever what they say is that Apple copied XerroxMar 09 03:14
sebsebsebor that's  when it comes to the buttons on the left or whateverMar 09 03:14
oiaohmApple did not copy XeroxMar 09 03:14
oiaohmApple used Xerox code base.Mar 09 03:15
sebsebseboiaohm: anyway for me Ubuntu is becoming indeed like Windows,  I mean where,  I will want to have some sort of idea about what's going on with itMar 09 03:15
oiaohmApple magically jumping from command line to graphical based.Mar 09 03:15
sebsebsebit's just Ubuntu is developed much faster, and much more openly so wellMar 09 03:15
oiaohmAll lines up when Xerox development center got aquired by apple.Mar 09 03:15
sebsebsebthere's nearly always some sort of relivent Ubuntu news, when it comes to what is going onMar 09 03:15
sebsebsebwhere as with Windows well no, since  development is more quite, and much slowerMar 09 03:16
oiaohmUbuntu development will slow.Mar 09 03:16
oiaohmUbuntu has really not thought threw the ammount of development time Unity is going to eat up.Mar 09 03:16
sebsebsebwell Unity 2D already being worked on as wellMar 09 03:16
sebsebseband that will be in 11.10Mar 09 03:16
oiaohmUbuntu resources are not unlimited.Mar 09 03:17
oiaohmAt some point they will find there limit.Mar 09 03:17
sebsebsebif enough Ubuntu users don't like Unity, well they got a problemMar 09 03:17
oiaohmThey have todo all the bug fixing on Unity.Mar 09 03:17
oiaohmNo other distribution is sharing the workload.Mar 09 03:18
sebsebsebanyway I used to look forward to Ubuntu releases, but wellMar 09 03:18
sebsebsebnot so much anymoreMar 09 03:18
oiaohmFedora stopped opensuse stoppedMar 09 03:18
oiaohmFor the simple reason Ubuntu upstream was being jerks taking patches.Mar 09 03:18
sebsebsebnoMar 09 03:18
sebsebsebthere was two blog posts about thatMar 09 03:18
sebsebsebfrom the Fedora guy, and from the OpenSuse guyMar 09 03:18
sebsebseband a link on pcworld that links to bothMar 09 03:18
oiaohmRead them.Mar 09 03:19
sebsebsebthey were only providing optionally, and they wanted something accepted upstream that wasn't yet, or the FEdora guy anywayMar 09 03:19
sebsebsebhe wanted it provided in the main Fedora repos, but  something needed accepting upstream firstMar 09 03:19
oiaohmI need to find the fedora mailing list post.Mar 09 03:20
sebsebseboiaohm: anyway Mint 11 the Ubuntu based version, yep Gnome 3 by default, with well  a similar look to current Mint, but that one can run Unity, and also Gnome Shell so :DMar 09 03:20
sebsebsebwell I guess Mint 11 can run Unity and Gnome ShellMar 09 03:20
oiaohmAlso the fun thing is gcc is just going to keep on getting more strict.Mar 09 03:21
sebsebsebI am slightly tempted to maybe put Mint 11 on here for real, for a while, you know pshyicall install, so I can switch between Unity and Gnome Shell, and well it's similar old lookMar 09 03:21
sebsebsebin a distro that looks good and all thatMar 09 03:21
sebsebseband yep has Synatpic of course as well, and yeah :)Mar 09 03:21
sebsebsebnot sure yetMar 09 03:21
sebsebsebplus I got a strange issue here in PC Linux OSMar 09 03:21
sebsebsebtwo evenMar 09 03:21
sebsebsebmaybe upgrading to KDE 4.6.1 will help a bit thoughMar 09 03:21
sebsebsebgcc is going to get more strict?Mar 09 03:21
nisshhsebsebseb, gcc 4.6 is more strict than 4.4Mar 09 03:24
nisshhthus, many programs have to be modified for itMar 09 03:24
nisshhsince C programmers are lazy and dont care about deprecation or warnings :)Mar 09 03:24
sebsebsebnisshh: hmm okMar 09 03:25
oiaohmnisshh: each gcc works in progression.Mar 09 03:25
oiaohmgcc 4.0 made many bad things warnings.Mar 09 03:25
nisshhoiaohm, yes, of course, thats one reason im not a C coder :)Mar 09 03:25
sebsebsebnisshh: So want some Oneirc Ocelot?Mar 09 03:25
oiaohmgcc 4.2 made many of those things errors with flags to over ride.Mar 09 03:25
oiaohmgcc 4.4 made many of those bad things not build.Mar 09 03:26
nisshhsebsebseb, eh, no thanks, ill just stick to calling it ubuntu :)Mar 09 03:26
oiaohmIs just that cycle extending.Mar 09 03:26
nisshhoiaohm, i have recently jumped on the perl bandwagonMar 09 03:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Metagrobolised, gruntulous noses - http://bit.ly/ey9gJY words, words, words #languageMar 09 03:26
oiaohmReally I am a C coder nisshhMar 09 03:26
nisshhperl is a very nice languageMar 09 03:26
sebsebsebnisshh: Ubuntu, maybe it should be called Unity insteadMar 09 03:27
oiaohmgcc really does not annoy me.Mar 09 03:27
nisshhoiaohm, coolMar 09 03:27
sebsebsebnisshh: after all that's what Ubuntu is going to be now really, UnityMar 09 03:27
nisshhoh it doesnt really annoy me oiaohm, its just C in general is not to my tasteMar 09 03:27
sebsebsebnisshh: yeah screw the backend, let's call it all Unity now, after all hey, that's what the average user only really cares about with them knowing they do anyway,  you know a good user interfaceMar 09 03:27
sebsebsebwell yeah I mean, the average user only really cares about the user interface mainlyMar 09 03:27
sebsebsebthey are ignorant to OS backendsMar 09 03:28
nisshhsebsebseb, if that :)Mar 09 03:28
oiaohmBecause I use to run static analysis over my programs anyhow nisshhMar 09 03:28
nisshhsebsebseb, most users dont even care about the UIMar 09 03:28
sebsebsebthey just want a user interface for the apps they want to run, for quite a lot of them, nearly any interface is good enough reallyMar 09 03:28
sebsebsebGnome 2Mar 09 03:28
sebsebsebKDEMar 09 03:28
oiaohmWhat gcc is finding now my other tools have been screaming at me for a while. nisshhMar 09 03:28
sebsebsebWindows, Mac OS XMar 09 03:28
sebsebsebLXDE, XFCEMar 09 03:28
sebsebsebetcMar 09 03:28
sebsebsebnisshh: exactlyMar 09 03:28
nisshhoiaohm, yeahMar 09 03:28
sebsebsebnisshh: so nearly any interface is good enough for them, like I was just sayingMar 09 03:28
sebsebsebas long as they can use the programs they want to runMar 09 03:29
nisshhsebsebseb, they want it to Just WorkMar 09 03:29
sebsebsebnisshh: yepMar 09 03:29
sebsebsebnisshh: and my brothers for example, only really want to use Firefox most of the time, so yep  other computer with KDE and Gnome 2, and the old preview of Gnome Shell in Mandriva 2010.2 and probably for quite a whileMar 09 03:29
sebsebsebI may not bother upgrading to Mandriva 2011 this year on that oneMar 09 03:29
sebsebsebor Mageia 1 in the summer eitherMar 09 03:30
sebsebsebnisshh: so yeahMar 09 03:30
sebsebsebnisshh: and my brothers got Linux Mint 9 based on Ubuntu 10.04 on his lap top since Jan, and I think I realy did make a good distro choice thereMar 09 03:30
sebsebsebit's doing auto log in as well, even though I installed other things as well, but he just wants to use FIrefox most of the time anyway like I was sayingMar 09 03:30
oiaohmhttp://ctuning.org/wiki/index.php?title=CTools:CTuningCC   A commonly unknown feature you can link into gccMar 09 03:31
sebsebsebnisshh: and Canonical think the average user will like Unity, hmm  well yes and no to that depending on who they are, but Unity is a fancy interface as well realy, average user can get by with something basic like Windows or Mac OS X,  so yeah Gnome 2 or KDE for exampleMar 09 03:31
nisshhsebsebseb, yeah, like my bro, he likes minimalist stuff, so he really likes Linux and he also does mechatronics (engineering + electronics = robotics) so he likes how easy it is to write code on linux as wellMar 09 03:32
sebsebseband I showed my little brother the old Gnome Shell preview a few times or whatever nowMar 09 03:32
oiaohmnisshh: Linux is predictable.Mar 09 03:32
sebsebseband he didn't seem interested at all reallyMar 09 03:32
oiaohmIf you screw something up you can always trace it to you.Mar 09 03:32
nisshhoiaohm, in some ways, yesMar 09 03:32
oiaohmWindows all the blackbox drivers and all the black box parts.Mar 09 03:33
oiaohmIs it your code or theres.Mar 09 03:33
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sebsebsebnisshh: also  removing features they are really used to, such as maximise and minimise like Gnome Shell has done now,  probably isn't really the best idea for these users, even if they aren't really needed the buttons for thatMar 09 03:33
sebsebsebnisshh: also moving to the left in that odd order which is what happended when Ubuntu 10.04  was in development, yep not a good idea for the average userMar 09 03:33
sebsebsebthen when I upgraded the Ubuntu 9.10 install that was on that computer to 10.04, for some reason it changed the buttons on my brother's account to the left, even though the old brown human theme :) the version before 9.10Mar 09 03:34
nisshhsebsebseb, yeah, although for someone who has never used a computer before, i would say it would not be bad in that use caseMar 09 03:34
sebsebseband he basically asked why they were on the left, I explained why, and he asked me to change backMar 09 03:34
nisshhyeahMar 09 03:34
sebsebsebfor someoen who hasn't used a computer before, sure Gnome Shell will be great, but pretty much nearly any other interface would be as well reallyMar 09 03:34
sebsebsebalso for those of us who can accept change, good stuff :)Mar 09 03:35
nisshhsebsebseb, the thing i think is bad is the inconsistency, with other themes, since they all switch the buttons backMar 09 03:35
sebsebsebanyway most of the whineing has been about the maximise and minimise being removed, well the buttons for, can still do it in other waysMar 09 03:35
sebsebsebhowever shut down was removed from the menu on top right or whatever as welll, and I haven't seen complaining about that hmm or hardly anyMar 09 03:35
sebsebsebwell I saw a little about that, but not much at all hmmMar 09 03:35
sebsebsebthat's important as well really have a shut down where it should be :)Mar 09 03:36
oiaohmsebsebseb: Gnome shell vs KDE netbookMar 09 03:36
sebsebsebon the other hand, take my little brother for example, he would just press the power button on the computer useually,  and switch off like thatMar 09 03:36
sebsebsebwhich is something that annoyeed me, when I had Ubuntu 10.04 on there, and set up to use the old Gnome icons :)Mar 09 03:36
nisshhsebsebseb, tbh, i am neither for nor against GNOME removing the buttons, since a) i never used them, i used the keyboard and b) it would affect people from windows and macMar 09 03:36
sebsebsebwhich is one thing I liked about Ubuntu 10.04,  for whatever reason/s it would show the old Gnome icons, instead of the new ones, that really it was meant to show since upstreamMar 09 03:37
nisshhyeahMar 09 03:37
oiaohmhttp://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/   << This is kde mininal interface.Mar 09 03:37
sebsebsebI used to really like the look of the old log out button, and some extent shut down even, and lock screen was ok,  I know this sounds geekey, but hey whatever I am a computer geek or whatever so :DMar 09 03:37
nisshhsebsebseb, do you also happen to know if libunity has bindings for other languages?Mar 09 03:37
sebsebseband I strongly disliked the new buttons for Gnome 3 and Gnome Shell,  for shutdown, and to some extent maybe lock screenMar 09 03:38
sebsebsebin fact I still think this new shut down icon is a joke really, butMar 09 03:38
sebsebsebwell I am more used to it nowMar 09 03:38
sebsebsebhmm that's a point Gnome Shell won't show this ugly joke shut down icon I guess then :D hmmMar 09 03:38
nisshhsebsebseb, what does the new shutdown icon look like?Mar 09 03:38
sebsebsebeven so though there should be shut down as part of the Gnome Shell interfaceMar 09 03:38
sebsebsebnisshh: you can see it in Mar 09 03:39
sebsebsebUbuntuMar 09 03:39
sebsebseb10.10Mar 09 03:39
sebsebsebor 11.04 even with Gnome 2 and if you set it up to show the icons in the system menu oh and removeMar 09 03:39
sebsebsebtheir horrible,  patch on the top rightMar 09 03:39
nisshhyah'Mar 09 03:39
sebsebsebthe me menu being linked to the power management or whateverMar 09 03:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @psquid @gomerx The hardest thing I have to do today is wake up, and I have done it. Win!Mar 09 03:40
sebsebsebnisshh: uh I am behind on identica :(Mar 09 03:40
nisshhsebsebseb, i personally never use the menu's in the top right, since i do nearly everything in the terminal nowMar 09 03:40
sebsebsebI wanted to catch up on dents, but I got a problemMar 09 03:40
sebsebsebnisshh: ok so did you remove those horrible patchs on top right then? :)Mar 09 03:40
nisshhi even shutdown/reboot from the command lineMar 09 03:40
nisshhno i didntMar 09 03:40
nisshhi just left them thereMar 09 03:40
sebsebsebnisshh: remove it thenMar 09 03:40
nisshhi figured if i removed themMar 09 03:41
sebsebsebnisshh: and go to gconf-editor and do the menus have icons optionMar 09 03:41
nisshhi would break somethingMar 09 03:41
sebsebsebin interface I think it isMar 09 03:41
sebsebsebthen you can see what I am on about :DMar 09 03:41
oiaohmUbuntu is even starting to cut the menus out of applications and place them like apple.Mar 09 03:41
nisshhsebsebseb, im talking about on 10.10 not Unity :)Mar 09 03:41
sebsebsebnisshh: if you remove what I am telling you to remove, it removes those horrible Gnome patches to Ubuntu :)Mar 09 03:41
sebsebseband things go like beforeMar 09 03:41
sebsebseband I am talking about 10.10 right now as wellMar 09 03:41
sebsebsebGnome 2 in 10.10Mar 09 03:41
oiaohmThe very thing I cannot stand about apple is that the menu is always on the top of screen.Mar 09 03:41
nisshhoiaohm, good thing i barely use them thenMar 09 03:41
sebsebsebnisshh: also you know that lame, do you really want to shut down or re boot feature?Mar 09 03:42
sebsebsebnisshh: remove the patches I am on about, and get the nice auto shut down feature back :)Mar 09 03:42
nisshhsebsebseb, i have NO idea what your on about :)Mar 09 03:42
sebsebsebnisshh: ok in Ubuntu 10.10Mar 09 03:42
sebsebsebwith Gnome 2Mar 09 03:42
sebsebsebnisshh: remove the me menu :)Mar 09 03:42
sebsebsebstep 1Mar 09 03:42
sebsebsebnisshh: you asked me how to see these new GNome icons, and I am telling you how :DMar 09 03:43
sebsebsebthen there's an option in gconf-editor for adding icons back :)  in the system menuMar 09 03:44
nisshhsebsebseb, i was hoping for more of a screenshot, i hate screwing with the UI, its boring :)Mar 09 03:44
sebsebsebnisshh: excusesMar 09 03:44
nisshhno, i swear, i would rather code in C# than do crap with the me menuMar 09 03:44
nisshh:)Mar 09 03:44
*sebsebseb thinks nisshh is sounding like a noob, no offence, but uhmm you sound a bit like, OH NO, if I remove this , my whole Ubuntu may mess upMar 09 03:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sqMar 09 03:45
sebsebsebnisshh: dude what I want you to do, takes about a minuteMar 09 03:45
nisshhsebsebseb, no, im not afraid of messing it up, i honestly dont care about the GUI enough to fiddle with it\Mar 09 03:45
oiaohmnisshh: So just move distribution instead?Mar 09 03:46
nisshhwhat?Mar 09 03:46
nisshhohMar 09 03:46
nisshhoiaohm, seriously thinking about it :)Mar 09 03:46
nisshhoiaohm, i have taken a liking to Arch tbhMar 09 03:46
sebsebseboiaohm: he's an Ubuntu Community Member, but doesn't seem to be 100% happy being one anymore :)Mar 09 03:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Universal plug and play (UPnP) is used to realize the intellectual interconnection." - from the Huawei E5 Settings. #notkidding #engrishMar 09 03:46
*sebsebseb would be ashamed if he was an Ubuntu Community Member since the current direction of Ubuntu, but well 1. I am not going to apply to be one, 2. unlikely I would become one if I didMar 09 03:47
oiaohmI went threw the 8 OS installed at once stage.Mar 09 03:47
oiaohmAt about 10 years into using Linux.Mar 09 03:47
sebsebseboiaohm: 8 OS ?Mar 09 03:47
nisshhah yesMar 09 03:47
nisshhoiaohm, at one point last year, i had gentoo, arch, ubuntu and debian installed on one hard driveMar 09 03:47
nisshhsince then i havent really tried other distro'sMar 09 03:48
sebsebsebnisshh: Mandriva,  PC Linux OSMar 09 03:48
oiaohmWindows BSD freedos BeOS quite a few others that a non existant nowMar 09 03:48
sebsebsebnisshh: maybe even make your own distro based on Unity Linux :dMar 09 03:48
sebsebsebwell using Unity LinuxMar 09 03:48
nisshhsebsebseb, heh, no thanksMar 09 03:48
sebsebsebUnity Linux was based on Mandriva, can be used as a distro, but is really more of a distro builderMar 09 03:48
oiaohmIts a natural state of Linux world development.Mar 09 03:49
sebsebsebmeant to make making remasters really easyMar 09 03:49
oiaohmYou get that I want better and going searching.  Mar 09 03:49
nisshhoiaohm, all i have open at the moment is a terminal and firefoxMar 09 03:49
sebsebsebnisshh: plus nice people from that community, who seem to know quite a lot about LinuxMar 09 03:49
nisshhits all i have open most of the timeMar 09 03:49
sebsebsebnisshh: Linux Mint you could go forMar 09 03:49
sebsebseb:DMar 09 03:49
nisshhsebsebseb, get fucked :)Mar 09 03:49
nisshhLM's for noobsMar 09 03:49
oiaohmI stick more in the enterprise classes of stuff.Mar 09 03:49
nisshhoiaohm, what do you use on your main PC?Mar 09 03:50
oiaohmCurrently Debian that I installed clean 15 years ago and have just migrated between machines ever since.Mar 09 03:50
oiaohmAnd updated along the way.Mar 09 03:50
nisshhso you mostly run debian?Mar 09 03:51
oiaohmI normally have openvz kernel loaded.Mar 09 03:51
oiaohmSo I can have server testing setups for scientific linux and centosMar 09 03:51
nisshhniceMar 09 03:52
oiaohmAt the moment I have not done anything embed in a while so I don't have a openembed laying around.Mar 09 03:52
sebsebsebnisshh: uhmm well heh heh your calling Linux Mint for noobs, which it is really sure, but so is Ubuntu, that's really for noobsMar 09 03:52
nisshhoiaohm, i have the predicament where i really like apt and .debs and such, but i want a distro like Arch :)Mar 09 03:53
oiaohmBeen threw that stage.  nisshhMar 09 03:53
nisshhsebsebseb, ok, ok, fineMar 09 03:53
nisshhoiaohm, what did you end up doing?Mar 09 03:53
oiaohmNotice I running rpm and deb  I really don't care that much any more about package manager.Mar 09 03:53
oiaohmIts the packages that they work is key.Mar 09 03:54
nisshhyeahMar 09 03:54
oiaohmAlso I do run a bit of jackaudio stuff for fun.Mar 09 03:54
sebsebseboiaohm: yeah same here, I don't care, if the distro uses RPM or DEB or whatever, as long as I can install the software, and as long as  the software worskMar 09 03:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Crowdsourcing Project: Broadcasting & Sharing local tech events via the airwaves with the Air Local channel http://mzl.la/ek9Xz0Mar 09 03:55
sebsebsebworksMar 09 03:55
oiaohmAnd ubuntu is getting to the stage of playing loto.Mar 09 03:56
sebsebsebplaying loto ????Mar 09 03:56
oiaohmMost risky distribution I run is Fedora.Mar 09 03:56
oiaohmsebsebseb: loto if the application you just installed still works as per manual.Mar 09 03:57
oiaohmsebsebseb: Ie not a good thing to be playing loto with.Mar 09 03:57
sebsebsebI don't understand you at the moment oiaohm or not properlyMar 09 03:58
oiaohmloto/gambling if the program will work.Mar 09 03:59
oiaohmI don't like gambling with software sebsebsebMar 09 03:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RHQ Project 4.0 beta out. It's a a systems management suite. http://rhq-project.org/display/RHQ/Home #fbMar 09 04:00
sebsebsebsure same here, I just want the software to workMar 09 04:00
oiaohmme refering to a distribution with stage of playing loto is a major insult to its quality.Mar 09 04:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] April 6-8 in San Francisco The !linux foundation will kick off Linux' 20th anniversary celebrations. http://ur1.ca/3fpwkMar 09 04:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] SWIFT-Daten weiterhin unkontrolliert - http://bit.ly/dLu0FD what a total disgrace #swift #privacy #surveillanceMar 09 04:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Vendor-Sec !linux security mailing list server hacked: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2011/03/03/3Mar 09 04:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-Piracy Group Say Police Have Arrested “Elite Pirate” - http://bit.ly/eoDxVb so this one has a wooden leg and parrot on his shoulder...Mar 09 04:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @glynmoody: Anti-Piracy Group Say Police Arrested “Elite Pirate” http://bit.ly/eoDxVb < So obvious these people have no sense of humourMar 09 04:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu Quick tip: Enable full screen Dash in Ubuntu 11.04 desktop http://goo.gl/MdgYm !UnityMar 09 04:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Just !listening 2 Gappy Ranks - Pumpkin Belly - awesome old reggae track. Everyone should hear it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TInstwOBDj0Mar 09 04:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Anonymous Operation Payback to BMI … 'You should have expected us' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49848Mar 09 04:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Canadian team says it can ID anonymous emails. 'Good enough for a court of law' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49849Mar 09 04:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Breaking: #Zynga files for trademark on the word “Ville” in Europe - http://bit.ly/fGyAC9 that'll go down well in #franceMar 09 04:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh It's common in Psychology, but rare otherwise (family members are in that area)Mar 09 04:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Stupid #EU #cookie law will hand the advantage to the US, kill our #startups stone dead - http://bit.ly/gPZeBi maladroitMar 09 04:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: 'Global warming' vs. 'climate change': terminology matters - http://bit.ly/g4QV68 not too surprising, perhapsMar 09 04:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: China to realize online train ticket booking with real-name system - http://bit.ly/hDjud1 whoa... #surveillanceMar 09 04:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: #Android now more profitable than #iOS for well-known game developer http://bit.ly/eXalMB "Android has become our primary ...Mar 09 04:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong" - http://bit.ly/e6sD3m an unpredictable player #copyrightMar 09 04:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid but is anyone really confident in pronouncing it? I'm certainly not :)Mar 09 04:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice to see AdaFruit mentioning "The Open Source Way" http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/03/08/the-open-source-way/ #fbMar 09 04:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid It's like Supererogatory - I can just about spell it but I wouldn't want to say it too often :)Mar 09 04:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Installing openSUSE 11.4 (KDE Live CD) on my Athlon XP deskop ATM. Final Release tomorrow. http://ur1.ca/3fbyhMar 09 04:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Oh-hoooo Oneir Weaver..... I believe you can get me through the ni-hi-iiiight. :PMar 09 04:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid the other thing is: Ocelots are not dreamy; they're fast and springy :)Mar 09 04:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh Let the replacement of the word Dream(y) for Oneir(ic) on !identica commence :)Mar 09 04:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh @psquid @silner @jargon Oh-hoooo Oneir Weaver..... I believe you can get me through the ni-hi-iiiight. :PMar 09 04:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] So, is the end of Gaddafi merely hours away? http://english.aljazeera.net//news/africa/2011/03/20113911921436551.html #fbMar 09 04:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] dunno whether to hope #Miliband is removed before the election or not, he's hopeless. None of the main parties deserves power. #LabourMar 09 05:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @rrix +100Mar 09 05:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2011-03-09: 'No sysadmin' is the key to Freedom Box "The Freedom Box project will succeed or fail on ... http://wmk.me/hrlKWpMar 09 05:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if #Miliband is removed, they're still the party which brought us such illegal wars as #Iraq. Until #Blair is in Hague I won't vote #LabourMar 09 05:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @jargon i really hate it when the unreliability of others make me seem unreliable to others. #smfhMar 09 05:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] La industria del copyright ha perdido el beneficio de la duda - http://bit.ly/fJTJxZ good post on the important #SSRC piracy study #mexicoMar 09 05:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] having fun discovering new foods in my new home .. example for the day: basler leckerli. yum!Mar 09 05:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Miliband sounds like a lil posh boy who's parents bought him a place in the school play, and all he can do is fluff his lines, no timingMar 09 05:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] he can't even adapt to what's being said to him, he just carries on with his prescripted retort, which tends to be way too long, & not funnyMar 09 05:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] from a kid in a school play you'd say "aww bless, he's trying" but as a potential PM? ya gotta be kiddin'Mar 09 05:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] tr @glynmoody The copyright industry has lost the benefit of the doubt - http://bit.ly/fJTJxZ gd post on important #mexico SSRC piracy studyMar 09 05:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it #opensourceMar 09 05:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] careful with the #Minecraft chat, the #FBI will be demanding a secret police station in every world next, complete with interrogation cellsMar 09 05:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Ubuntu #Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release - http://bit.ly/fjX9Bg "no longer a need for a separate netbook edition"Mar 09 05:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #abgeordnetenwatch: #HerbertMertin #fdp http://ur1.ca/3fqxv und #StefanPohl #cdu über Freie Software !fs im Auswärtigen Amt #bundesleaksMar 09 05:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Canonical blog: !Ubuntu Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release http://goo.gl/NLp3TMar 09 05:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tesco heralds 2011 as YEAR OF ANDROID - http://bit.ly/hVNa6x the people have spoken #tesco #androidMar 09 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] So What Was Decided With S3TC & Floating Points For Mesa: Last week I mentioned that a developer called for a di... http://bit.ly/hxqYVKMar 09 05:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it ...Mar 09 05:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @webmink links for 2011-03-09: 'No sysadmin' is the key to Freedom Box "The Freedom Box project will succeed or fail on ... http://w ...Mar 09 05:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] openSUSE 11.4 can't manage a network connection after installation (worked well in the Live session). Replacing it by Kubuntu "Natty" Alpha3Mar 09 05:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: Tesco heralds 2011 as YEAR OF ANDROID - http://bit.ly/hVNa6x the people have spoken #tesco #androidMar 09 05:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is this the year of #Linux in the pocket? ;PMar 09 05:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @codepope yes, probablyMar 09 05:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Freedom sacrificed for an easy life in Apple’s Brave New World - http://bit.ly/fuvruu good to see more oar-sticking (v @jmcesteves @cathfie)Mar 09 05:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @glynmoody: Freedom sacrificed for an easy life in Apple’s Brave New World - http://bit.ly/fuvruu good to see more oar-stickingMar 09 05:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: Ben tijdens de carnavalsdagen bij mijn broer Ger http://ur1.ca/3frfv geweest. Heerlijk zitten hacken en klooien.Mar 09 05:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Good afternoon !Identiverse my day has been alright so far, and this is my first dent from !ElmDenticaMar 09 05:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: heb KDE SC 4.6 op Ubuntu 10.10 laptop geïnstaleerd. Het was echt even hacken en klooien om een consistente desktop omgeving te krijgen.Mar 09 05:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: maar het is gelukt en ik ben er ontzettend van onder de indruk en trots op. Ubuntu 10.10 heeft namelijk wel een Nvidia binary blob :-)Mar 09 05:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense.Mar 09 05:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: heb openSUSE 11.4 KDE RC gisteren gedownload, werkte niet vanaf USB stick. Vandaag geïnstalleerd op dekstop.Mar 09 05:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Whoops forgot the :) after !ElmDentica in my previous dent to the !elmdentica and !identiverse groups.Mar 09 05:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: openSUSE kon geen netwerk verbinding maken. Ben nu Kubuntu "Natty" Alpha 3 weer aan het installeren (installatie had ik verklooid).Mar 09 05:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Crime writer makes a fortune selling ebooks at 99c http://tighturl.com/2zrk I smell the future of ebooks, and it is goodMar 09 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] People from !identiverse and !elmdentica: Elmdentica seems to be an ok client so far, but I don't like how I can't hit enter to send dents.Mar 09 06:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] How to become an amazing contributor (to an open source project) | http://bit.ly/ia8Sah #participateMar 09 06:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb thanks for using !elmdentica :) Do you use it on the desktop? Its more oriented towards touchscreens... however I'll look into itMar 09 06:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !elmdentica and !identiverse people not that keen that I have to click to type a dent, after clicking the post button, but no big deal :).Mar 09 06:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb not true I asked: Do you use it on the desktop? Its more oriented towards touchscreens... however I'll look into it. !identiverseMar 09 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb If you press and hold on a status, buttons will show up with actions (like reply). !elmdenticaMar 09 06:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://alturl.com/r27ou !wlMar 09 06:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @doctorow: #Fuckyeah new #raygun http://tinyurl.com/6juyysv #klockwerks #steampunk #rogerwoodMar 09 06:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: Discussing more with @_the_mad_hatter in comments at http://BillC32.ca/5293 : who is posting using @CopyrightCanada ?Mar 09 06:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Gentoo Linux LiveDVD 11.0 released http://lwn.net/Articles/432357/rssMar 09 06:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] March CC News: Where did our $ come from in 2010? plus round-up of other developments: http://bit.ly/eBZJ84Mar 09 06:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter I want "none of the above" to be an option on the ballot paper, the reason it's not is that it'd win too many seatsMar 09 06:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] HBR Blog: Open Source Software Hits a Strategic Tipping Point - http://bit.ly/edmujF really? - who would have thought...? (v @mmilinkov)Mar 09 06:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Lily Allen may well be the most brilliant marketer of the age http://ping.fm/O6wwyMar 09 06:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google Chrome 10 Released, A Robust Progress in Speed (TechOncept): http://bit.ly/gbnacDMar 09 06:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mozilla Moves On - http://bit.ly/i0nwSl new CEO explains how #Mozilla will save the Web - again #webapps #firefoxMar 09 06:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] mint "likes" over #!? at Reddit http://ping.fm/CGr30Mar 09 06:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Every #HP PC shipped next year will have #webOS - http://zd.net/eIt8VA "shipped with" or "able to run"? makes a difference #linux (v @sjvn)Mar 09 06:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !LibreOffice: an excellent open source productivity suite reviewed (briefly) at Onsoftware http://ping.fm/RsY2eMar 09 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] NYTimes exclusive: Julian Assange, Cat Hater http://is.gd/65eH0P !wlMar 09 06:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! apparently http://ping.fm/H5r4bMar 09 06:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense.Mar 09 06:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! apparently http://ping.fm/H5r4b I'm scepticalMar 09 06:53
GoForbes28Quote of the day:Mar 09 06:54
GoForbes28"We need our development teams focused on content and cool features, not anti-piracy technology."Mar 09 06:54
GoForbes28- Frank Pearce, Blizzard co-founder on the obviousMar 09 06:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @greve: RT @kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense.Mar 09 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android App writers ignore Open Sauce licensing - TechEye http://ping.fm/Tc2yOMar 09 06:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica - Daydream and discipline: !Ubuntu 11.10 codenamed #Oneiric Ocelot http://goo.gl/oGh0YMar 09 07:00
MinceRso when are they going to do that? :>Mar 09 07:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Chrome 10 released http://lwn.net/Articles/432366/rssMar 09 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] binary playhouse: !RedHat should have invested in a #BSD http://ping.fm/KCNcsMar 09 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Apologies if you've seen one of two of these old stories before. I'm catching upMar 09 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0... http://bit.ly/gRHQOjMar 09 07:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: NYTimes exclusive: Julian Assange, Cat Hater http://is.gd/65eH0P http://bit.ly/e8f5lPMar 09 07:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Is it possible to make !Elmdentica look less dark? Is it possible to attach files?Mar 09 07:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !RedHat Fights Back and I'm still undecided. I suppose they had to do it really? http://ping.fm/ZL9cUMar 09 07:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] RT @opencourselib: Adult Basic Ed eLearning Expansion Grant materials developed by WA CTCs will all be CC BY licensed http://bit.ly/gYuex6Mar 09 07:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: The end of Ubuntu Netbook edition http://goo.gl/2NXDkMar 09 07:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Chrome 10 brings Flash sandboxing and new settings UI http://goo.gl/X6hYT !chromiumMar 09 07:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @ubuntuone A new look. What do you think? http://bit.ly/faAhv8Mar 09 07:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Video release: Minecraft Adventures 3 - The Quest for Coal > http://outl.ws/hJ32Rb #minecraft #linuxoutlawsMar 09 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !UbuntuOne will get a new look soon: http://goo.gl/nCVly !uMar 09 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Rulings in #PS3 #jailbreaking suit should worry you | TechRepublic http://ping.fm/SBtmkMar 09 07:18
GoForbes28hahaMar 09 07:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] HP unifies software support services (Network World): http://bit.ly/fSkFXWMar 09 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Physics of Pruney Fingers Revealed by Lisa Grossman http://ping.fm/bbJtaMar 09 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] HTML5 in the Web browser: HTML5 forms (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/eMnAqiMar 09 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] VMware buys Java app dev toolmaker WaveMaker (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/hmAcZcMar 09 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !perl script to import posts from Wordpress to Whird: @corenominal http://ur1.ca/3fsusMar 09 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: The new !UbuntuOne logo is beautiful http://goo.gl/QazYaMar 09 07:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Facebook Is AOLifying the Internet: http://gizmo.do/gObueIMar 09 07:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Very Difficult Problem of Notifications (The Brooks Review): http://bit.ly/hpkQYC (via @techmeme)Mar 09 07:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google VP8: "Bali" to offer faster encoding (H): http://bit.ly/hqJpFMMar 09 07:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Gentoo Linux 11 released (H): http://bit.ly/dRpDVLMar 09 07:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @toros Beautiful? Well.... Let's say it's simple...Mar 09 07:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: Report Confirms Gang Rapes at Canadian-Controlled PNG Mine - http://bit.ly/hosfUqMar 09 07:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ninapaley: Mimi and Eunice: What Did We Do Before Laws? http://j.mp/fVQFoZMar 09 07:31
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GoForbes28Microsoft developers at work, my friends!Mar 09 07:36
GoForbes28http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-milestone-2-build-screenshot-leaked-features-new-up-button-in-explorer-and-improvement-in-windows-update/Mar 09 07:36
GoForbes28Wow, I think I may faint from the drastic changesMar 09 07:36
GoForbes28[/sarcasm]Mar 09 07:36
GoForbes28http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-milestone-3-build-7910-screenshots-leaked-windows-live-id-integration-factory-restore-windows-app-store-and-much-more/Mar 09 07:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] Coming in 2.6.38 (Part 6) - Drivers http://h-online.com/-1202826 #linux #kernel #2638 #alsa #v4l #staging #input #hidMar 09 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TanyaHuff: Amazon has listed a book I haven't quite entirely finished writing yet. Their faith in me is truly touching.Mar 09 07:38
MinceRwhoaMar 09 07:39
GoForbes28In the time it took to implement these "improvements", I think there has been at least two Fedora releasesMar 09 07:39
MinceRm$ invented the up button just now? :>Mar 09 07:39
GoForbes28YeahMar 09 07:39
GoForbes28If you used Classic Shell, then this change drops to completely meaninglessMar 09 07:40
MinceRand imagine that there are people who take these announcements seriouslyMar 09 07:40
GoForbes28Should I dent this with a sarcastic tagline?Mar 09 07:40
MinceRyesMar 09 07:40
MinceRthough you might need sarcasm markersMar 09 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thistleweb: @themadhatter I want "none of the above" to be an option on the ballot, the reason it's not is that it'd win too many seatsMar 09 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] The Consumer’s Dilemma License - recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries for the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqtMar 09 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] #Facebook and Civil Disobedience in #Vietnam http://ur1.ca/3ft2z #tpn #anon #piracy #freespeechMar 09 07:41
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GoForbes28yep, don't want people to actually thinkMar 09 07:43
MinceRrather, don't want m$ fanboys to redent itMar 09 07:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @joshourisman: @_the_mad_hatter @doctorow Squamous Shoggoth seems more appropriate.Mar 09 07:45
GoForbes28well, it should be here in a secMar 09 07:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @webmink: The Consumer’s Dilemma License recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries 4 the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqtMar 09 07:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] Look at these drastic Win8 enhancements![/sarcasm] (http://tinyurl.com/69zeq65) A folder-UP button. Wow! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqzmtz)Mar 09 07:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @stoppableforce: @_the_mad_hatter @doctorow Followed by Belligerent Byakhee and Gibbering Ghoul?Mar 09 07:46
GoForbes28actually, if they did redent it enough, people may realize the scamMar 09 07:46
MinceR:)Mar 09 07:46
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GoForbes28I think that gets the point across, no?Mar 09 07:48
MinceRindeedMar 09 07:49
GoForbes28I was thinking doing a followup, like "Only the level of innovation we've come to expect from Micro$oft (R)."Mar 09 07:51
GoForbes28But maybe that would be too muchMar 09 07:51
MinceR:>Mar 09 07:51
GoForbes28Is that a yes?Mar 09 07:52
MinceRnot sure if it would be too much, i don't knowMar 09 07:52
GoForbes28well, I'll give it some timeMar 09 07:52
GoForbes28no need to rushMar 09 07:52
cubexyzI'm sure windows 8 will run great on my 486 :)Mar 09 07:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] The Consumer's Dilemma - Funniest thing I've read today: http://bit.ly/gXrALk #humor #copyright #piracyMar 09 07:53
GoForbes28486 FTW!Mar 09 07:53
GoForbes28BTW, funny storyMar 09 07:53
GoForbes28the site where those "leaks" are posted is www.askvg.comMar 09 07:53
GoForbes28The guy who runs it is a Microsot MVPMar 09 07:54
GoForbes28Who also apparently makes a lot of Windows 7 themesMar 09 07:54
sebsebsebGoForbes28: MinceR Apparnatly Windows 8 or whatever it will be called, will get multi desktops, well about time for MicrosoftMar 09 07:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Cisco to stay out of the services business - Computerworld http://bit.ly/fKbdZhMar 09 07:55
cubexyzactually I'm saddened by the OEM lock-in stillMar 09 07:55
sebsebsebabout time Microsoft has work spaces in WindowsMar 09 07:55
GoForbes28I once asked him simply how to add outlines to the text in the taskbar to make them more readable, and he says I don't knowMar 09 07:55
cubexyzI was in Staples the other day :-/Mar 09 07:55
sebsebsebone of the most asked for features by Linux people for years now I guess :DMar 09 07:55
GoForbes28A microsoft MVP who specializes in themes, can't answer a simple question that I ended finding out laterMar 09 07:55
sebsebsebGoForbes28: MinceR anyway if Windows 8 (or whatever it will be called) doesn't sell that well, and many people remain on XP, well they got a problem reallyMar 09 07:56
abeNd-orgyou have a 486 that still works? i held onto my original computer (486dx2-80) as long as i could, but even the isa/vlb slots stopped working after awhileMar 09 07:56
cubexyzabeNd-org, yupMar 09 07:56
GoForbes28and this isn't a astetic thing either, without the outline, the taskbar font is unreadable on light backgroundsMar 09 07:56
cubexyz486SLC2 50 mhzMar 09 07:56
GoForbes28another GUI achievement for M$Mar 09 07:56
sebsebsebGoForbes28: MinceR people don't like being forced to upgrade, and well that's what is meant to be happening in April 2014 really, but quite a few will use  Windows  XP unsupported anyway I guess by then, and many will be open to alternative OS'sMar 09 07:56
abeNd-orgim noticing with most of my customers that they are making the move to win7 from xp, mostly since they can't really buy xp anymoreMar 09 07:56
cubexyzabeNd-org, there are computers from the late 1970's that still workMar 09 07:57
GoForbes28People who I know who run Windows 7 or Vista do so because it came with their laptopsMar 09 07:57
cubexyze.g. Commodore PETMar 09 07:57
sebsebsebXP is alright really, once it's pretty bad security has been properly taken care of, and no I  don't mean anti virus and anti spyware programs heh heh,  I mean limited accounts, and possibily a sandbox, and a more secure browser such as FirefoxMar 09 07:57
cubexyzI don't even consider 486 to be that oldMar 09 07:57
MinceRm$ doesn't seem to be able to improve on winblows xpMar 09 07:57
MinceReven though it sucksMar 09 07:57
GoForbes28Sorry sebsebseb, Windows XP is flawed from the ground upMar 09 07:58
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah I guess that's pretty much true reallyMar 09 07:58
cubexyzthe windows that sucked the least was win2kMar 09 07:58
sebsebsebaltough I haven't tried out Windows 7 ever properly, but Vista yepMar 09 07:58
cubexyzit still sucked though :)Mar 09 07:58
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abeNd-orgcube sure, but most consumer grade 486s were pretty bad to begin with (packard bell?) Mar 09 07:58
sebsebseband I know Vista version 2, and Vista are both pretty similar reallyMar 09 07:58
cubexyzabeNd-org, this was an IBM Mar 09 07:58
GoForbes28intergrating a browser into the operating system to the point of application dependencies is the stupidest design decision everMar 09 07:58
sebsebsebcubexyz: I used to think WIndows 2000 was the best version of Windows, and for quite a while as wellMar 09 07:58
abeNd-orgright, no IE9 for windows xp right?Mar 09 07:58
MinceRwhat did xp change compared to 2k?Mar 09 07:58
GoForbes28Windows 2000 when using FDV's fileset is tolerableMar 09 07:58
sebsebsebabeNd-org: oh yeah IE9 apparnatly only for the next version of Windows or whateverMar 09 07:59
sebsebsebMinceR: the theme and that was about it I Guess reallyMar 09 07:59
sebsebsebyeah XP better for eye  candy, but other than that, pretty similar to 2000Mar 09 07:59
abeNd-orgim trying the ie9 beta out on my win7-x64 box, it looks pretty much like operaMar 09 07:59
sebsebsebuh I said better for eye candy maybe not, I think 2000 was like WIndows 98 and loads of proper 3rd party themes coudl be used no problem and so onMar 09 08:00
cubexyzin a lot of ways Operating Systems are getting worse not betterMar 09 08:00
sebsebsebabeNd-org: a part of me wants to try IE 9 beta, but well ok I got Vista on here that I don't exactly boot up,  espesaily  since I lost the driver CD, so no soundMar 09 08:00
cubexyzbut what saves things is Linux and you can just run old distrosMar 09 08:00
cubexyzupgrading what you wantMar 09 08:00
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sebsebsebabeNd-org: was going to vm XP, for something, not bothered yet, but anyway no IE9 for XP?Mar 09 08:00
GoForbes28cubexyz: except for free software ;)  It definitely is getting betterMar 09 08:01
MinceRsome free software at leastMar 09 08:01
GoForbes28XP=eyecandy?  I don't think soMar 09 08:01
cubexyzGoForbes28, I check out a new distro at least once per weekMar 09 08:01
MinceRi'm not sure if kde and gnome are getting betterMar 09 08:01
sebsebsebcubexyz: sure and we can use Gnome 2 in like 10 years from now if we want to, even though it will hardly be supported by any distros anymore, if any reallyMar 09 08:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Flashback: Qaddafi blames !WikiLeaks > http://nyti.ms/fQMrwiMar 09 08:01
sebsebsebcubexyz: well I guess we can run Gnome 2 some how on a modern distro in 10 years time?Mar 09 08:01
GoForbes28Well, Free software that isn't being corrupted by corporate or proprietary interestesMar 09 08:02
cubexyzsebsebseb, well FC1 is from 2004 so I guess I have 3 years to go :)Mar 09 08:02
sebsebsebGoForbes28: Ubuntu  is being corrupted by corporate interests?Mar 09 08:02
GoForbes28Mono mono, di-diMar 09 08:02
cubexyzBL3 is pretty old tooMar 09 08:02
sebsebsebGoForbes28: I  read about one guy well quiting ast he Maryland loco leader, because of Canonical and so onMar 09 08:02
GoForbes28sorry, just referencing those old caulking commercialsMar 09 08:03
sebsebsebCanonical really are making Ubuntu into a product now, so trueMar 09 08:03
sebsebsebit's not this distro where things were quite a lot about community beforeMar 09 08:03
GoForbes28A mediocre productMar 09 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Patent trolls fatten up on vaguely worded patents (Ars): http://bit.ly/eKECJyMar 09 08:03
GoForbes28I think when judging the improvement of Free software, you have to look at every program overallMar 09 08:03
cubexyzI archive stuff a lot, you never know when old source code will disappearMar 09 08:04
cubexyzit was hard to find KDE 3.4.2 Mar 09 08:04
sebsebsebcubexyz: I think I know what you meanMar 09 08:04
sebsebseband bingoMar 09 08:04
GoForbes28Sure, some programs/operating systems may become worst, but so long as Free software as a whole is improving, everything is goodMar 09 08:04
sebsebsebcubexyz: ISO's start to disappear for old versions of distro'sMar 09 08:04
GoForbes28*worseMar 09 08:04
GoForbes28Like short-run vs. long-run economicsMar 09 08:04
sebsebsebcubexyz: at leat Ubuntu still provide their old ISO's though :)Mar 09 08:05
sebsebsebof stable releases only thoughMar 09 08:05
cubexyzsebsebseb, right, the server admins delete the old stuff to make roomMar 09 08:05
sebsebsebUbuntu/Canonical aboveMar 09 08:05
sebsebsebMint are keeping their old stable versions as well :)Mar 09 08:05
GoForbes28there are mirrors of old releasesMar 09 08:05
cubexyzsebsebseb, but do the ISO's come with _all_ source? probably notMar 09 08:05
GoForbes28Well, they also may have proprietary packages, ala Netscape and Adobe ReaderMar 09 08:06
cubexyztry to find old KDE source, not easyMar 09 08:06
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GoForbes28stupid mouse slipsMar 09 08:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @johnkoetsier: Android now more profitable than iOS for well-known game developer http://bit.ly/eljOdzMar 09 08:10
GoForbes28any way to display previous IRC messages?Mar 09 08:10
cubexyzthere is the logsMar 09 08:10
GoForbes28I mean on demandMar 09 08:11
sebsebsebGoForbes28: this channel is publically logged, as for your client,  well turn logging in or whatever if it's not already I guessMar 09 08:11
cubexyzhttp://maxhost.org/other/techrights.log Mar 09 08:11
cubexyzshould be up-to-dateMar 09 08:11
cubexyzI'd use wget though, not the browserMar 09 08:12
GoForbes28http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5677/196/Mar 09 08:12
GoForbes28thanks, btwMar 09 08:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] The pulse of the Drupal community after 10 years | http://bit.ly/enQc9O #drupalcon #drupalchiMar 09 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Gentoo Linux 11.0 Released http://is.gd/wvgu5j #software #gnu #linux #microsoft #windowsMar 09 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @arstechnica: Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong": http://t.co/2kH4dHr by @natexandersonMar 09 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @noyesk: Hackers versus Apple http://h-online.com/-1202598 #theh #securityMar 09 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @noyesk: Death of the signing bonus: Open source recruitment works http://reg.cx/1N7k #opensourceMar 09 08:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Large HDD/SSD Linux 2.6.38 File-System Comparison: Here are the results from our largest Linux file-system compa... http://bit.ly/g5pqGnMar 09 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @webmink: Consumer’s Dilemma License recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries for the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqtMar 09 08:18
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: no ie9 for xp from what i can tellMar 09 08:19
sebsebsebabeNd-org: GoForbes28 well there wasn't going to be an IE 7 for XP, but then Firefox started gaining loads of market shareMar 09 08:19
sebsebsebIE 7 was going to be only for VistaMar 09 08:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Apple patches critical #Mac bugs with #Java updates http://is.gd/jejEcpMar 09 08:20
abeNd-orgxp was still in the supported phase then, it is not nowMar 09 08:20
cubexyzis XP EOL now?Mar 09 08:20
sebsebsebnow it's on extended supportMar 09 08:20
sebsebsebyepMar 09 08:20
sebsebsebcubexyz: noMar 09 08:20
sebsebsebcubexyz: April 14 unless Microsoft extend again, and that's only SP3Mar 09 08:20
sebsebsebgot extended by four years, was going to be EOL last yearMar 09 08:21
cubexyzjust checking... I wouldn't care at all but my customers might wish to knowMar 09 08:21
sebsebseband they want business leaving it by 2012Mar 09 08:21
sebsebsebfrom what I read beforeMar 09 08:21
cubexyzgreat, that should mean more Linux users Mar 09 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jospoortvliet FOSS world must realize without collaboration !linux desktop goes nowhere. !gnome !kde wakeup call! http://bit.ly/gP7gE6Mar 09 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] The Harper Gov't are again hypocrites: negotiates with "evil separatists" to pass BillC32 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5676/196/Mar 09 08:21
cubexyzsave some $$$Mar 09 08:21
sebsebsebcubexyz: yeah and if we are lucky ReactOS will be well much more developed by April 2014 :)Mar 09 08:22
sebsebseb,but probably not quite for that one :(Mar 09 08:22
sebsebsebwould be great if it can run most XP junk apps that loads of people want, and their hardware drivers, by then thoughMar 09 08:22
cubexyzit's definitely still AlphaMar 09 08:22
GoForbes28ReactOS is a good idea, but unfortunately Microsoft is not UnixMar 09 08:22
sebsebsebGoForbes28: meaning?Mar 09 08:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Android OS Update Problem http://is.gd/1wt1sB #androidMar 09 08:23
GoForbes28A number people think that ReactOS is the next GNU/Linux in the sense that it will do to Windows what "Linux" did to UnixMar 09 08:23
cubexyzversion 0.3.12 implies itMar 09 08:23
sebsebsebGoForbes28: uh maybe one day if it's developed enough in time :DMar 09 08:23
cubexyzit's got a ways to go stillMar 09 08:23
GoForbes28It will be beta by version 0.5Mar 09 08:24
abeNd-orgthere will be a point where 3rd party apps will stop supporting xp, & people would have no choice, especially in business, to move onto win7 (especially when said app doesnt exist in the linux world at all)Mar 09 08:24
sebsebsebabeNd-org: uh if they wait untill April 2014 to dump XPMar 09 08:24
cubexyzthere's always a choiceMar 09 08:24
sebsebsebit's Windows 8 or whatever it's called I guessMar 09 08:24
GoForbes28brbMar 09 08:24
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sebsebsebabeNd-org: if going at the end of 2012, I guess can be an early adopter for Windows 8 or whatever it will be called?Mar 09 08:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Android Security: Six Tips to Protect Your Google Phone http://is.gd/4XJP82 #android #security #google (via @sjvn)Mar 09 08:25
sebsebsebohMar 09 08:25
sebsebsebhmmMar 09 08:25
sebsebsebah yes that's ok what I am thinkingMar 09 08:25
sebsebsebVista was 2006Mar 09 08:25
sebsebsebWindows 7 was end of October 2009Mar 09 08:25
sebsebsebso yep probably Windows 8 (or whatever it will be called) at the end of 2012 ?Mar 09 08:25
abeNd-orgno worries, the world will end in 2012, so perhaps ms will advertise it as windows 8, 2012, world ender edition plus!Mar 09 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Comcast Will Now Troubleshoot Your Gear, Too http://gizmo.do/epAiNQMar 09 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with EU treaties http://ur1.ca/3ftwa (DE) #swpatMar 09 08:26
sebsebsebcubexyz: abeNd-org anyway I think my Mum might be more open to doing Desktop LInux on her current lap top, if it's still working in April 2014, when XP runs out of support :)Mar 09 08:26
sebsebsebplus by then wellMar 09 08:26
sebsebsebmy older brother will have used for quite a while as well it seemsMar 09 08:27
cubexyzI'd be more satisified with Microsoft-Ender version nowMar 09 08:27
sebsebseband my little brother will be having his lap top with LInux on it so :DMar 09 08:27
sebsebsebanyway my little brother wants a lap top next year, when he goes to another schoolMar 09 08:27
sebsebsebandMar 09 08:27
sebsebsebwell I think it makes sense to buy a lap top when Windows 8 comes outMar 09 08:27
sebsebsebyep that's right having Windows, even though he probably woudnt' really need it as suchMar 09 08:27
sebsebsebthen again the schools are locked into Windows, so yeahMar 09 08:28
sebsebsebplus he might end up playing some commerical games, that  are for Windows or something, so hmmMar 09 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] @karsten PDF of ECJ opinion re unitary patent (EN) http://ur1.ca/3ftwj #swpatMar 09 08:28
sebsebseblike it or not, because of how things are, Windows can be good to have around attimesMar 09 08:28
cubexyzI never use itMar 09 08:29
sebsebsebsometimes forced to use it as well, because of a Educational Establishment or work place, or well software that needs itMar 09 08:29
sebsebsebfor example my latest driving thorey DVD I need Windows for that it seems, becasue of the copy protectionMar 09 08:29
sebsebsebthe DRMMar 09 08:29
cubexyzhmmm?Mar 09 08:29
sebsebsebso when I try in Wine it thinks I am running a priated copy basically, even though it was boughtMar 09 08:29
cubexyzsounds awfulMar 09 08:29
sebsebsebindeedMar 09 08:30
sebsebsebI haven't done it yet, but I hope it works no problem in  XP vm :)Mar 09 08:30
abeNd-orgdvd video through a vm? good luck on thatMar 09 08:30
sebsebsebif not well, my Vista has no sound right now like I mentioend earlierMar 09 08:30
sebsebsebabeNd-org: noMar 09 08:30
abeNd-orgim sure it will work, but the refresh would probably be horribleMar 09 08:30
sebsebsebabeNd-org: not DVD videoMar 09 08:30
sebsebsebabeNd-org: software DVDMar 09 08:30
abeNd-orgah, that should work just fineMar 09 08:30
sebsebseba DVD ROMMar 09 08:30
sebsebsebaltough sure it has some videos on it, but that shoudn't be a problemMar 09 08:31
cubexyzummm, do you have a separate license key for your VM XP?Mar 09 08:31
cubexyzjust curiousMar 09 08:31
cubexyznot sure how that worksMar 09 08:31
abeNd-orgif its win7 & the xpmode, its built into your win7Mar 09 08:32
sebsebseblegally bought copy, but if I  really wanted to, I could run a pirate, well special edited version by geeks, for exampleMar 09 08:32
abeNd-orgif you are running an xp vm through vmware on win or linux or mac, yeah, you have to have a full blown real licenseMar 09 08:32
sebsebsebabeNd-org: uh?Mar 09 08:32
cubexyzabeNd-org, what if you erased your XP from one computer and reinstalled on a different computer using a VM?Mar 09 08:33
sebsebsebabeNd-org: I don't think that's trueMar 09 08:33
sebsebsebabeNd-org: pirate copys can work for exampleMar 09 08:33
MinceRwhat if you run an OEM preinstalled copy of winblows in a VM, using the on-disk filesystem (as opposed to a virtual HDD)?Mar 09 08:33
cubexyzit might give one some troubleMar 09 08:33
abeNd-orgcubexyz: that all depends on if it is an OEM version, OEM windows license is legally tied to that original computer, you legally are not allowed to move that license to another computer, or a VMMar 09 08:33
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cubexyzah I seeMar 09 08:34
abeNd-orgim not talking piracy here, talking regular licensingMar 09 08:34
abeNd-orgif it is a retail version, your eopen/vlk license you are pretty much able to install it however many times in whatever way you want, at least for the amount of licenses you purchased through the vlkMar 09 08:34
sebsebsebabeNd-org: multi lisense is only for professional versions though isn't it?Mar 09 08:35
sebsebsebnot home versions?Mar 09 08:35
cubexyzanother reason not to use it :)Mar 09 08:35
abeNd-orgim no license guru, & heck, ms has teams of people dedicated to their own labyrinth of licensing, but thats the jist of itMar 09 08:35
cubexyznot that I needed oneMar 09 08:35
abeNd-orgoem is oem, be it home or professional, works the same wayMar 09 08:36
sebsebsebcubexyz: yeah restricted softwareMar 09 08:36
cubexyzso how much for a regular license?Mar 09 08:36
sebsebsebcubexyz: can't do this or that legally, uh, but we own it?  no we don'tMar 09 08:36
abeNd-org"the oem gets it cheaper & passes the cost savings onto you" so you cant legally move the license to another computerMar 09 08:36
sebsebsebcubexyz: ,but we bought it? so we own Windows? uh no we don't,  we just basically rent itMar 09 08:36
cubexyzah, but I'm liberated now :)Mar 09 08:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Woa.... Liking the new Foursquare!Mar 09 08:36
sebsebsebsame thing for cloud gaming I guessMar 09 08:36
cubexyzI'm a Universalist OS Specialist :)Mar 09 08:36
sebsebsebyou may have paid to have access to the cloud to play those gamesMar 09 08:36
sebsebseb,but you don't own the gamesMar 09 08:36
cubexyzoops, except for windows :-0Mar 09 08:37
cubexyzoh I have source code for some gamesMar 09 08:37
sebsebsebanyway I own FIrefox, well sort of :D I can have access to the code and do stuff with itMar 09 08:37
cubexyzhad to sign an NDA thoughMar 09 08:37
*sebsebseb owns the Linus kernelMar 09 08:38
sebsebsebyeah I am Linus in disguseMar 09 08:38
sebsebsebyou have all been fooled so well so farMar 09 08:38
cubexyzwell... you at least "own" what you write Mar 09 08:38
sebsebsebwell this was fun being an average person, but now my secret is outMar 09 08:38
cubexyzif you have source code, and libraries, and compiler, then you are setMar 09 08:38
cubexyzotherwise, you are stuckMar 09 08:39
*sebsebseb anyway seriosuly, I think that Linux would probably never come hereMar 09 08:39
sebsebsebLinus not Linux aboveMar 09 08:39
cubexyzLinux is here, except I'm on BSD at the moment :)Mar 09 08:39
sebsebsebanyway April 2014 should be interestingMar 09 08:40
sebsebsebXP probably going end of life yep, but whilst it is still on most of the worlds computers probablyMar 09 08:40
sebsebseband well alternatives such as Desktop Linux, besing as jono would say, awesomeMar 09 08:41
sebsebsebbtrfs for most distro's Gnome 3 nice and developed, user interfaces for it shell and Unity,  KDE even mroe developed, and so onMar 09 08:41
sebsebseboh 2014 should be pretty good for Desktop Linux I guessMar 09 08:41
sebsebseb2014 the  year of desktop linux? uhmm maybe, but it might have already happended before thenMar 09 08:42
sebsebsebcubexyz: why did you version me?Mar 09 08:42
GoForbes28I hate "year of" statementsMar 09 08:42
sebsebsebGoForbes28: yeah wellMar 09 08:42
cubexyzjust checking :)Mar 09 08:42
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: by april 2014 most home user's computers with xp on them now will have been replaced, and companies would have migrated off xp to win7-x64 since they will want the use of 4gb+ ramMar 09 08:42
sebsebsebthey do it pretty much every new yearsMar 09 08:42
sebsebsebfor Linux, and I know it's not new years :DMar 09 08:42
sebsebseb[16:42] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from cubexyz: Noobchat 2.8.6 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE [i386/664.00MHz].Mar 09 08:43
GoForbes28I also hate when the minority government negotiates with a group they previously denounced to pass a bill that is in conflict with the majority of CanadiansMar 09 08:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] News on Firefox 4 RC1 http://is.gd/fK0u86 #mozilla #firefox #web #softwareMar 09 08:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Canonical pares Ubuntu down to 2 editions - Register http://ping.fm/YnKjbMar 09 08:43
cubexyznice editMar 09 08:43
sebsebsebcubexyz: indeed :)Mar 09 08:43
sebsebseband it is Noobchat really, since most of the Ubuntu newbies use it for a startMar 09 08:43
cubexyzyeah it would be much cooler if I used a Commodore 128Mar 09 08:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I can happily imagine a world without #religion, but not a world without #science. #atheist #secularhumanistMar 09 08:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] All parts of the "What's coming in #2638" series finally online http://heise.de/-1202105 (de) http://h-online.com/-1202826 (en)Mar 09 08:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @karsten ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with EU treaties http://ur1.ca/3ftwa (DE) #swpatMar 09 08:45
sebsebsebMinceR: cubexyz  GoForbes28  Ok regarding that dent that came in about the versions of Ubuntu, well that makes senseMar 09 08:45
sebsebsebto only do two versionsMar 09 08:46
sebsebsebof UbuntuMar 09 08:46
sebsebsebyep MinceR they will get rid of Kubuntu to,  no not now, that's KubuntuMar 09 08:46
sebsebsebanyway I guess when they do QT for 11.10,  Kubuntu will become even less relivent in a wayMar 09 08:46
sebsebsebwant KDE apps ok, so just install them with Unity and yepMar 09 08:46
sebsebseband they should fit in with the Unity envrionment reasonably then as wellMar 09 08:47
*MinceR doesn't care about *ubuntuMar 09 08:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Curtea Europeană spune că propunerea Comisiei pt tratarea unitară a patentelor e incompatibilă cu Tratatul http://tinyurl.com/5th62k5 #roMar 09 08:48
sebsebsebMinceR: lies your still on Kubuntu 9.10Mar 09 08:48
sebsebsebso you hae to care about Canonical to an extent, becasue wellMar 09 08:48
sebsebsebif it wasn't for them KUbuntu 9.10 woudn't exist, and well you woudn't be getting updates for it untill the end of AprilMar 09 08:49
MinceRif it wasn't for them i'd be running Lenny right nowMar 09 08:49
sebsebseboh yeah? why don't you change then?Mar 09 08:49
sebsebsebwhy did you go Ubuntu not Debian?Mar 09 08:49
MinceRno time to change right nowMar 09 08:50
abeNd-orgive been trying to turn some local home schoolers with really old xp machines onto edubutu, but they dont have dvdroms to install it, & none of the current editions of it come on cdMar 09 08:50
MinceRi went ubuntu mainly because i believed the kde4 hypeMar 09 08:50
sebsebsebanyway Ubuntu online stuff is like a virus at times,  it's pretty hard to get away from,  I mean if using this channel since it comes in on dents, or if using identica since it's there yeahMar 09 08:50
sebsebsebor even if going to some Linux news site, probably going to see some Ubuntu stuff mentionedMar 09 08:50
MinceRand because gnome-do (which i stopped using long ago) was packaged incorrectly in debianMar 09 08:50
sebsebsebabeNd-org: oh I think there's some sort of work around for thatMar 09 08:50
MinceRabeNd-org: do they have usb slots?Mar 09 08:51
sebsebsebabeNd-org: like installing the standard Ubuntu version and then edubuntu-desktop into itMar 09 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with #EU treaties http://tinyurl.com/5r6djzs #fsfe (via @kgerloff )Mar 09 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Is A Few Days Away: The Linux 2.6.38 is effectively ready for release. The condition of ... http://bit.ly/eMj2R4Mar 09 08:51
sebsebsebMinceR: you belived the KDE 4 hype?Mar 09 08:51
cubexyzno :)Mar 09 08:52
*sebsebseb thinks kapman is packaged incorrectly or something in PC Linux OS, it's really laggy, and it was for someone else as well, but I think for someone else it was ok hmmMar 09 08:52
abeNd-orgmincer yes, but i dont think the usb port is bootable on those old machinesMar 09 08:52
MinceRdo they have floppy drives?Mar 09 08:52
*sebsebseb has had Choqok issues in PC Linux OS as well, and even after a version upgrade, but was using Elmdentica instead earlier :)Mar 09 08:52
MinceRsebsebseb: i did, at one pointMar 09 08:52
MinceRsebsebseb: i thought i just had to have 3d compositing, and since compiz is unstable and doesn't support it to be temporarily disabled, kde4 was the only wayMar 09 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I hope there will be a propritary Nvidia driver available in !kubuntu "Natty Narwhal" soon.Mar 09 08:53
MinceRabeNd-org: maybe you can use a floppy or a cd with some bootloader-like stuff such as SBM to boot the usb flash driveMar 09 08:53
sebsebsebMinceR: uh you could KDE 4 in Debian?Mar 09 08:53
sebsebsebMinceR: you should go to Ubuntu Developer Summit next time, it's in Budapest next time, so your countryMar 09 08:54
MinceRi don't think i could get it to run easilyMar 09 08:54
MinceRwhy should i go to UDS?Mar 09 08:54
MinceRubuntu is no longer relevant to meMar 09 08:54
sebsebsebMinceR: you should go to it, and dance around in a room with loads of them, and say out loud, Ubuntu SUCKS! :DMar 09 08:54
MinceRlolMar 09 08:55
sebsebseband really annoy them, untill security has to remove you :DMar 09 08:55
cubexyzno, go and tell everyone you only use LFS in text mode :)Mar 09 08:55
abeNd-orgmincer this is something i am trying to get them to do, i am remote to them, there is no possible way they can do that :) getting them to boot off a dvd would be a miracle , much less boot floppy to usb to whatever :)Mar 09 08:55
MinceRicMar 09 08:55
MinceRi used to boot a livedvd off a floppy with SBM :>Mar 09 08:56
abeNd-orgyea, they freecycled a bunch of old computers from me & first thing they did was email me asking "where is windows" (since i had no legal license to give them, the drives were blank) & thats when i tried getting them to go edubuntuMar 09 08:57
cubexyzpeople are so unadaptableMar 09 08:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] "The {Collaboration} Summit forms the opening bookend to something of a Linuxpalooza set to rock the Kabuki..." http://bit.ly/hOOZZqMar 09 08:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxjournal: Back from the Dead: Simple Bash for complex DdoS http://ht.ly/1bGAXm #securityMar 09 08:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Pleasantly surprised by the speed of @MyMCServ support. Good start to a customer relationship. :)Mar 09 08:58
sebsebsebabeNd-org: uh Edubuntu will go Unity as well I guess hmmMar 09 08:58
sebsebsebFreecyled I like that, I guess you mean you gave away the computers to them for FREE?Mar 09 08:59
cubexyzI guess you would have to be old enough to remember pre-windows computers to have at least some independence from windowsMar 09 08:59
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: yes, freecycle.org Mar 09 08:59
cubexyzpresent company excluded of courseMar 09 08:59
MinceRit was niceMar 09 08:59
sebsebsebcubexyz: yeah my primary school hadMar 09 08:59
sebsebsebreally old BBC'sMar 09 08:59
sebsebsebuh black and whiteMar 09 09:00
MinceRthen again, one can still build desktops and servers without having to pay the m$ taxMar 09 09:00
abeNd-orgthe community around here is pretty big with freecycleMar 09 09:00
sebsebsebhad a program called logo on itMar 09 09:00
MinceRit's laptops where trouble startsMar 09 09:00
sebsebsebfor like uhmm maths or whatever and that was about itMar 09 09:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sqMar 09 09:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] RT @octavioislas La Jornada es el primer diario en América Latina y sexto en el mundo, en recibir cables filtrados por !WikiLeaksMar 09 09:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: HP: The Linux Desktop Company http://t.co/po36586 HP!? Yes, #HP #linux #webOS by @sjvn #gnu #romaniaMar 09 09:00
abeNd-orgturtle tracks!Mar 09 09:00
sebsebsebabeNd-org: yeah a turtle or whatever, you know LOGO?Mar 09 09:00
cubexyzha, logoMar 09 09:00
sebsebsebcubexyz: you know it?Mar 09 09:00
cubexyzyesMar 09 09:00
sebsebsebok cool :)Mar 09 09:01
cubexyzbut it would be easy to write your ownMar 09 09:01
sebsebsebdon't remember it that much nowMar 09 09:01
sebsebseb,but used as a kid at school yeahMar 09 09:01
abeNd-orglogo is not known to me, my first program in elementary school was turtle tracks, dont even remember what platform it was onMar 09 09:01
sebsebsebwould like put in degrees and it would  draw a picture or whateverMar 09 09:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Why OSS is the right flavor for the government cloud | http://bit.ly/foMa6m #opengov #gov20Mar 09 09:01
sebsebsebthen I think later on logo got updated with a more modern version for Windows or whateverMar 09 09:01
MinceRbblMar 09 09:02
sebsebsebcubexyz: and they had the old Achorns as well :)  asteroties on it, and pac man, and a golf game, and yeah mainly or only really used for games when I was thereMar 09 09:02
cubexyzkturtle hasn't been updated in agesMar 09 09:02
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: i had a big pile of old P3/P4 machines that to me are worthless since they weren't x64, so i just freecycled themMar 09 09:02
sebsebsebthen yep Windows 95  and suchMar 09 09:02
sebsebseband well they were going to get Internet, butMar 09 09:02
cubexyzwhy doesn't anyone like p3?Mar 09 09:02
sebsebsebnot when I was at primary school, but soon after yepMar 09 09:02
cubexyzit was a good cpuMar 09 09:02
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abeNd-orgit is not x64, thus cannot run ESXi 4.xMar 09 09:02
sebsebseband I learnt to touch type instead of writing joined up :) been very userful for me over the yearsMar 09 09:03
sebsebsebI learnt at school, and did at home as well, Mavis Beacon and so on :DMar 09 09:03
abeNd-organd none of the motherboards that used the P3 address ram worth mentioning these daysMar 09 09:03
cubexyzI learned on a typewriter :)Mar 09 09:03
sebsebsebover 10 years of touch typing :)Mar 09 09:03
abeNd-orgi was looking at a home server with 16GB ram & figured that would not be sufficient for my virtual testing needsMar 09 09:03
cubexyzhmmmMar 09 09:03
sebsebsebcubexyz: then the secondary school, still the achorns, but just about, most of the comptuers were PC's with Windows,  and then well later on whilst I was there they got rid of the achorns :(Mar 09 09:04
sebsebsebcubexyz: a boy I used to go to school with some how got one of them though apparnatlyMar 09 09:04
sebsebseboh good times these older computersMar 09 09:04
sebsebseb,but then Windows came along, and messed loads of things up reallyMar 09 09:04
cubexyzoh I like retrocomputingMar 09 09:04
cubexyzprobably more than you folks :)Mar 09 09:04
sebsebsebexcept I have only used the two I mentioned propelryMar 09 09:04
sebsebseband well I seen an old Amiga beforeMar 09 09:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Becoming truly anonymous. Going underground http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49844Mar 09 09:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @rms: Kucinich and Manning http://ur1.ca/3fu8fMar 09 09:05
abeNd-orgmeh, i deal with enough old computers at work, i dont want to make a hobby out of itMar 09 09:05
sebsebsebcan't remember if it was on though when I was there, someone I used to knowMar 09 09:05
cubexyzabeNd-org, I don't think you would like original Amiga then :)Mar 09 09:05
cubexyz512K was standardMar 09 09:05
cubexyzso for me 512 meg is ample memoryMar 09 09:06
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abeNd-orgcubexyz: i bet you are right, i have no desire to play with thatMar 09 09:06
abeNd-orgor time :PMar 09 09:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Manning’s naked nights ’situationally driven’. US Marine Corps explanation http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49845Mar 09 09:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: #WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0... http://bit.ly/gRHQOjMar 09 09:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@ruiseabra: ♺@greve:@kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense.Mar 09 09:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Every #HP PC shipped next year will have #webOS - http://zd.net/eIt8VA "shipped with" or "able to run"? makes a difference...Mar 09 09:06
cubexyzabeNd-org, it did have one major advantage over modern PCs...Mar 09 09:07
cubexyzevery register on every chip was documented 100%Mar 09 09:07
sebsebsebok good Linux on every HP computer starting next year :)Mar 09 09:07
sebsebsebwell webosMar 09 09:08
cubexyzbut yeah, I don't think it would be good for web browsingMar 09 09:08
sebsebseb,but that's run by Linux so :DMar 09 09:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Mozilla Moves On - http://bit.ly/i0nwSl new CEO explains how #Mozilla will save the Web - again #webapps #firefoxMar 09 09:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: A/C gerações rasca e à rasca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdFPYoIv5GkMar 09 09:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it ...Mar 09 09:08
abeNd-orgyeah, im quite happy with my palm pre, but no official upgrade to webos2 on it though Mar 09 09:08
cubexyzHyperSpace is interestingMar 09 09:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at EDEKA http://b1t.it/clu #4sqMar 09 09:10
abeNd-orgthey have a "frankenpre" upgrade for it, but it needs access to a preplus or pre2Mar 09 09:10
cubexyzand HP bought it so...Mar 09 09:10
sebsebsebwhat about WebOSMar 09 09:11
sebsebsebI don't reallly know much about itMar 09 09:11
sebsebsebjust that it runs Linux :)Mar 09 09:11
abeNd-orgits greatMar 09 09:11
abeNd-orgits free to try in a virtual environment with the free PDKMar 09 09:11
sebsebsebPDK ?Mar 09 09:11
cubexyzthe trouble is where would one buy a linux HP computer?Mar 09 09:12
cubexyzdirectly from HP?Mar 09 09:12
sebsebsebcubexyz: the link I gaveMar 09 09:12
sebsebsebsaid all new HP computers shipped next yearMar 09 09:12
sebsebsebwill have WebOSMar 09 09:12
abeNd-org  http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1970&Itemid=20 & http://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1744  Mar 09 09:12
abeNd-orgits a virtualbox vm, works greatMar 09 09:12
cubexyzhmmmMar 09 09:12
sebsebsebabeNd-org: oh so there isn't a installer for webos?Mar 09 09:13
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abeNd-orgnot currentlyMar 09 09:13
cubexyzbut what about the Microsoftt Tax?Mar 09 09:13
*slush is now known as Diablo-D3Mar 09 09:13
abeNd-orgnot one that *I* know of anywaysMar 09 09:13
sebsebsebcubexyz: most Hp's will dual boot with Windows it seemsMar 09 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Second Jumper From The Daily - http://bit.ly/gTyRn9 didn't take long... ( @AntDeRosa @robinwauters) #publishing #ipadMar 09 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Land mines for open source in mobile - http://bit.ly/hnSJEs good points #opensource #smartphonesMar 09 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sting culture and #NPR’s capitulation to falsehood - http://bit.ly/fY6uiI "letting liars take over our public discourse"; worrying trendMar 09 09:13
sebsebsebread the link I guessMar 09 09:13
sebsebsebabeNd-org: Someone mentioned I could try out Android on a PC, you got a link for that?Mar 09 09:14
abeNd-org  Android - https://code.google.com/p/android-x86/downloads/list - just boot the iso in vmware & you can use the mail app or add touchdown to test the local network connectivity (or external if you are external)  Mar 09 09:14
sebsebsebhmmMar 09 09:14
abeNd-orgsome of the iso are built specifically for different netbooksMar 09 09:14
sebsebsebright, but can Android apps work like that?Mar 09 09:14
sebsebsebalso you recommend vmware?  I would use VirtualboxMar 09 09:15
abeNd-orgif you have a data connection, they dont careMar 09 09:15
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: the webos one is virtualbox nativeMar 09 09:15
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abeNd-orgi have vmware workstation license from work, so thats what i use for most thingsMar 09 09:15
sebsebseboh right okMar 09 09:15
abeNd-orgbut im sure the android-x86 iso would work fine booting from virtualbox tooMar 09 09:16
abeNd-organd you just mouse around as if it was a touchscreenMar 09 09:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] IE9: A More Beautiful Web Launches on March 14th - http://bit.ly/fft5Db indeed: one based on open standards #ie #html5Mar 09 09:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] NPR: Help us figure out which Senator killed #Whistleblower Protection - http://bit.ly/hyqeqB nothing to hide, nothing to fear, no?Mar 09 09:16
abeNd-orgive had to use it for testing our exchange & groupwise activesync customersMar 09 09:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stephen Fry’s Big Digital Day and our hack room - http://bit.ly/enauHD "to bring industry together for a single day of inspiring exchange"Mar 09 09:20
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abeNd-orgi should see if angry birds runs well in the vm...Mar 09 09:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Feds Really Do Seem To Think That Linking To Infringing Content Can Be A Jailable Offense - http://bit.ly/hcGxuS Web haters, it seemsMar 09 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.—Thomas Paine ♻ @cosmologistMar 09 09:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why the Cookie Monster Won’t Kill European Startups - http://bit.ly/ftMMlc useful corrective to earlier fearsMar 09 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @bob_sutor: Blog post: Land mines for open source in #mobile http://bit.ly/hIoDCm #mobile #opensource #free #software #gnu #linuxMar 09 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Open Compliance Focus for April is on Collaboration http://bit.ly/fdklo2 #linux #gnuMar 09 09:28
abeNd-orghttp://www.amazon.com/HP-HP-TOUCHPAD-TouchPad/dp/tech-data/B004JXWMICMar 09 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linux_pro: Canonical Changes Ubuntu Naming Conventions - http://is.gd/pQDZtT #ubuntu #canonical #communityMar 09 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Minty Freshness: New LMDE Theme Based On Orta, Created By SkiesOfAzel http://bit.ly/hEcdGoMar 09 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Chomping through email...Mar 09 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Pls help us welcome #Panasonic at Gold level of mbership. http://bit.ly/e635tt #gnu #linuxMar 09 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Watching @methoddan on http://live.twit.tv/ -- say hello to @acedtect from me, Dan! :DMar 09 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Panasonic Joins Linux Foundation http://is.gd/JnY5vX #gnu #linux #software #microsoft #windowsMar 09 09:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FLOSS Weekly live with @methoddan right now: http://live.twit.tvMar 09 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya a perfect example of the media whipping boy. Who is going to complain? Nobody so fill your boots in safety. #safegroupclosureMar 09 09:35
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sebsebsebabeNd-org: GoForbes28 cubexyz  Is Android really that amazing? Ok yes yes, it runs Linux, but doesn't help with Desktop Linux, also it helps Google a lot, so really it's Google hype?Mar 09 09:38
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sebsebseboh jono you moved house and also changed ISP at same time or?Mar 09 09:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] http://www.usbtypewriter.com -- Wow.... OoMar 09 09:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "This video contains content from UMG. It is not available in your country."Mar 09 09:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @snarf: #Inkscape 0.48.1 is out! http://is.gd/rzGF7gMar 09 09:43
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: it makes for a nice phoneOS, like WebOS, a nice alternative to iOS & all the rabid apple fansMar 09 09:45
abeNd-orgbut it is no desktop or even true netbook osMar 09 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @corenominal: ♺ @fabsh: FLOSS Weekly live with @methoddan right now: http://live.twit.tv - topic SELinuxMar 09 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I would like anyone who feels that NATO is far better behaved than #Libya to let me know about it and tell me why.Mar 09 09:45
sebsebsebabeNd-org: Android is really for phones yeah, and well ok sure nice  Iphone and Windows Phone 7 / Windows Mobile Phone alternative indeed, but other then that, it's just a load of hype isn't it?Mar 09 09:45
sebsebsebI mean it's the most used one at the moment, but why?Mar 09 09:45
sebsebsebsince Google is behind it, and Google has a lot of hype?Mar 09 09:46
abeNd-orghype helps, the fact winmob7 sucks helps & people who hate apple are going androidMar 09 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Legislature passes bill to teach U.S. is republic - http://bit.ly/e1MFMU none of that socialist "democracy" rubbish... #politicsMar 09 09:46
sebsebsebuh as well as a lot of well consumers, who don't really know about this stuffMar 09 09:46
sebsebsebjust go for it, because it's very popularMar 09 09:46
sebsebseb?Mar 09 09:46
abeNd-orgyea, most people go into a phone store & dont know what they are buyingMar 09 09:47
sebsebseblet's take BBC Click for exampleMar 09 09:47
sebsebsebUK technology programMar 09 09:47
sebsebsebAndroid, Iphone, Windows phone 7,  maybe something about Blackberry at times, but that's pretty much it for the phonesMar 09 09:48
cubexyzis that still being made sebsebseb?Mar 09 09:48
cubexyzre: BBC ClickMar 09 09:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @beabusaniche #transparencia en la negociación del TLC Mercosur Unión Europea, Acompañanos en esta iniciativa http://ur1.ca/3fuy2Mar 09 09:48
sebsebseblet's take OS's for that show, well mainly Windows and then Mac here and there, and on occassion something about LinuxMar 09 09:48
sebsebsebcubexyz: yep every weekMar 09 09:48
sebsebseblet's take social networkingMar 09 09:48
cubexyzwell at least they show Linux sometimesMar 09 09:48
abeNd-orgblackberry, its too bad, they have great corporate security, but the interface is just sadMar 09 09:48
sebsebsebmainly Facebook and Twitter, mainly I say, more like pretty much onlyMar 09 09:48
sebsebsebabeNd-org: what I am finding now days with tech, is that most of the stuff that is really popular, sucks reallyMar 09 09:49
cubexyzwe had a tech show too, but it was on at 5 am Mar 09 09:49
sebsebsebnow days, more like I started to find this out years ago in 2004Mar 09 09:49
cubexyzthey talked about Linux vs BSDMar 09 09:49
sebsebsebcubexyz: well BBC Click is on at 11:30am on Saturday mornings, and they have a shorter version that comes on in the night some time or whateverMar 09 09:49
sebsebseb,but it's on BBC News channel, so has the like news head lines at the bottom which sucks, if watching it live Mar 09 09:50
cubexyzwe had bites and bytes back in the 80'sMar 09 09:50
sebsebsebso I tend to watch it on our catch up TV :) and if it's not there online on the BBC IplayerMar 09 09:50
cubexyzsebsebseb, so available for download?Mar 09 09:50
sebsebsebabeNd-org: let's take browsers uhmm from what I have seen of Firefox 4,  I am not 100% sure about it's directionMar 09 09:50
sebsebsebit seems ok, butMar 09 09:50
sebsebsebI coudn't add a reload button it seemsMar 09 09:50
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: i have some issues with my motorola droid, it does get slow at times, but so does my palm pre, & so did my blackberry, they are all under powered, over app'ed & have too weak of a batteryMar 09 09:51
sebsebsebabeNd-org: and well I love Firefox, but I am not quite sure what they been doing the last year or so with FIrefox 4 in development from what I seen of itMar 09 09:51
sebsebsebcubexyz: well Iplayer is UK only, you can watch webscape the website reviews and such from outside UK though, and I think a clip on the click siteMar 09 09:51
cubexyzhmmMar 09 09:52
sebsebsebcubexyz: ,but sure I guess some where, there would be torrents of it, that aren't legal for exampleMar 09 09:52
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sebsebsebcubexyz: maybe you can watch on the site in USA, but no probably notMar 09 09:52
sebsebsebanyway there are ways round the country stuff and sites, but not meant to do that reallyMar 09 09:52
cubexyzI'm Canada, it's part of the Commonwealth :-0Mar 09 09:53
sebsebsebcubexyz: well you can try watching online on the Iplayer, but as far as I know UK onlyMar 09 09:53
sebsebseband no the clip would show on the main bbc click site not the showMar 09 09:53
sebsebsebcubexyz: anyway I found out recently, that they are appearing on the site, for a year now :)Mar 09 09:53
sebsebsebor for a while evenMar 09 09:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #zdnet "#Microsoft to allow Eclipse, Mozilla licences for WP7 apps" with comments from @karsten http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fs !fsfeMar 09 09:55
cubexyzI'd download Bits and Bytes just for the historical infoMar 09 09:55
sebsebsebI said USA earlier, forgetting your in CanadaMar 09 09:56
sebsebsebah wellMar 09 09:56
sebsebsebstill North AmericaMar 09 09:56
cubexyzwhen did it start?Mar 09 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fsfeMar 09 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh the most useless thing ever conceived after the Ogino-Knaus methodMar 09 09:56
cubexyzoh wow, over 500 episodesMar 09 09:57
sebsebsebwhat of Click?Mar 09 09:57
cubexyzyesMar 09 09:57
sebsebsebthat show been around since uhmm not sure exactly I think 2001 or somethingMar 09 09:57
sebsebseb,but sadlyMar 09 09:57
sebsebsebI Mar 09 09:57
sebsebsebdidn't start watching it untill 2008 I think it  was or 2009Mar 09 09:57
abeNd-orgguess you can get iplayer in NA with a proxy... meh http://hubpages.com/hub/BBC-iPlayer-USAMar 09 09:58
cubexyzwell I'll check the site anywayMar 09 09:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @brionv: Farewell, old friend Shuttle... we'll miss you! http://leuksman.com/log/2011/03/09/fare-well-old-friend-shuttle/Mar 09 09:58
sebsebsebcubexyz: the episodes that are over a year old, are gone as far as I knowMar 09 09:58
sebsebsebno way to legally download them, as far as I knowMar 09 09:58
cubexyzwatching the vids no probMar 09 09:59
sebsebsebcubexyz: you can see the short video on the click site probably no problem from outside UKMar 09 09:59
sebsebsebandMar 09 09:59
sebsebsebwebscapeMar 09 09:59
sebsebseb,but not the actsaul click episode as far as I knowMar 09 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @karsten: Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 < great stuffMar 09 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Unigine OilRush Barely Does 800 Sales To Date: While OilRush is the first Linux game using the Unigine Engine an... http://bit.ly/fWZmoTMar 09 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh I am old enough to have actually used mechanical typewriters - that's how I am on a 10-fingers blind typing. #annoyingMar 09 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya, Gaddafi's son's house in London festooned with protest banners police are relaxed about it. Well of course they are.Mar 09 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ntouk @hadleybeeman: Reminder: Public Data Corporation consultation responses due FRIDAY! need thoughts & insights http://bit.ly/f4lIZEMar 09 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Heading of to the !BUSC board meeting.Mar 09 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh actually I started with a QZERTY typewriter (Olivetti Valentine, by E. Sottssass, a masterpiece of style). Wicked!Mar 09 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @karsten: Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fsfeMar 09 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] finished up the QAIModel for libtaskmanager finally today; also practiced weighing veggies at the market. not quite used to that yet.Mar 09 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Sorry it's Sottsass, obviously. Read on http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivetti_Valentine (ITA)Mar 09 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Princes to start protecting our oceans - http://bit.ly/f83XNN amazing what a few emails can do #hacktivism #fishing #sustainabilityMar 09 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: Tell the New York Times to Apologize for Blaming a Child for Her Gang Rape | http://bit.ly/h4R4dBMar 09 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Torontonamo: #G20 SIU reopens another G20 case - CityNews http://bit.ly/fvbykCMar 09 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/every-hp-pc-shipped-next-year-will-have-webos/22928 Great !WebOS !Linux news :)Mar 09 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @kirschner well written article; great that we have people educating/reminding policy makers about these issues.Mar 09 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: Gaddaffi they're trying 2 steal our oil! No U mad fuck the noflyzone is 2 rstrct on U killing ur own ppl.http://bit.ly/e6xp9mMar 09 10:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The thought of #orcas in captivity for entertainment angers me. Please don't take your children to such shows. keepwhaleswild.orgMar 09 10:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @themadhatter: RT @alexhundert: Tell the New York Times to Apologize for Blaming a Child for Her Gang Rape | http://bit.ly/h4R4dBMar 09 10:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] :) #HP http://identi.ca/notice/66563406Mar 09 10:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Oh Oh, There's something rotten in the reign of Finland... http://ur1.ca/3fauwMar 09 10:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Warren Buffett's China car deal could backfire http://is.gd/jdYe5G !wlMar 09 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Leaked cables suggest US doubted Mexico prosecutor http://is.gd/VKVD15 !wlMar 09 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya Cameron and Sarkozy Re UN sing a nice duo of "so macho, gonna be so macho" #contemptMar 09 10:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Karimov Played U.S. Off Against Russia http://alturl.com/x2udz !wlMar 09 10:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] I AM THE DOCTOR http://ur1.ca/3fvki !miotdMar 09 10:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Al Jazeera, I love them and only channel I watch the adverts as they will never affect me :-)Mar 09 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy !wlMar 09 10:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Folks, Radeon HD 3650 AGP on Linux ? How does it behave ? Good ? Bad ? Avoid like the plague ? Any hint or tip is welcome. Thanks in advanceMar 09 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Fabien Tassin: !Chromium 10 in !Ubuntu http://goo.gl/PGBNZMar 09 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Kudos to @flat_world teaming up with @ohiohighered to provide 1000 free CC-licensed textbooks to Ohio students - http://goo.gl/Se1k9Mar 09 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @zwyback #Samsung's new tablet a thin little thing - http://b1t.it/cl7 !androidMar 09 10:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] What the world could be if idiots didn't run it (I wish I could move here) http://ur1.ca/3fvunMar 09 10:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The oldest space shuttle named discovery is retired. How many of its payloads were pointless military wankfests?Mar 09 10:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Adwaita 3.0 (the !GNOME 3 default theme) coolness http://goo.gl/6cOnbMar 09 11:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] In these dire times for public media, why is #NPR shooting itself in the foot? http://ur1.ca/3fvvtMar 09 11:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] What happens to shipping containers lost at sea? http://ur1.ca/3fvxaMar 09 11:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Switzerland an interesting example of Napoleonic law, some (maybe most) better than I thought.Mar 09 11:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Edubuntu WebLive Hits 15 000 Sessions http://goo.gl/CwYBDMar 09 11:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Karimov Played U.S. Off Against Russia http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63033 http://bit.ly/eNtyUgMar 09 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy http://bit.ly/gXByHvMar 09 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NPR: Help us figure out which Senator killed Whistleblower Protection http://ur1.ca/3fvytMar 09 11:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Activists seize Saif Gadaffi's London mansion http://ur1.ca/3fvzeMar 09 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya , What I have really reacted to against to the west's response is propaganda and hypocrisy. Believable?Mar 09 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Wisconsin capitol bans recording, flags, reading, balloons, chairs, bags, backpacks, photography, etc etc etc http://ur1.ca/3fvzjMar 09 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Now playing #Nasum - Human 2.0. It's so on it's not even funny. My feett might tap holes on the floor. #grindcoreMar 09 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Now playing #Nasum - Human 2.0. It's so on it's not even funny. My feet might tap holes on the floor. #grindcoreMar 09 11:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] This is one of the worst obstructions of justice I have ever read about pertaining to the legal system http://ur1.ca/3fw31 #fuckyouMar 09 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @dfrios: SVG Editor online: http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/editor/svg-editor.html - #Inkscape #svgMar 09 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @allsystemsarego: #CLI apps, aggregated by topic and ranked http://cli-apps.org/index.php?xsortmode=high #LinuxMar 09 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @michelenlared: RD @rivenathos New #Linux screenshots forum - http://is.gd/OamF5m #debian #mint #ubuntuMar 09 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ovidiusoft: RT @novitro: #peblog: Cateva notiuni despre autentificarea cu doi factori http://bit.ly/dOLy0xMar 09 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @alina_mierlus: RT @mozpub: [Edinburgh] Some Mozillians including @cyberdees with be @techmeetup tonight. Come share beers and pizza!Mar 09 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetfedora: Jared Smith: One day remaining for #Fedora 16 name suggestions! http://bit.ly/fI5UKwMar 09 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @zwyback: #Foursquare 3.0 brings a world of new check-ins for customers, businesses - http://b1t.it/cl6 #androidMar 09 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh If I can find an old typewriter with the keys I need for writing code, I'll try to convert it to USB (but not by using that method)Mar 09 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @michelenlared: RD @toros Fabien Tassin: #Chromium 10 in #Ubuntu http://goo.gl/PGBNZMar 09 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Kinect Confirmed As Fastest-Selling Consumer Electronics Device - http://bit.ly/i2qMZ4 fascinating #microsoftMar 09 11:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy http://bit.ly/gXByHvMar 09 11:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] 2011 British Met weather centre are still quoting snow fall in inches #BBCyouaremoreshitthantheworldknowsMar 09 11:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (Now With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) http://bit.ly/haXnuBMar 09 11:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] An alternative to pharmaceutical #patents - http://bit.ly/fbiKaD excellent analysis, practical proposal #drugs #pharmaMar 09 11:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I do not smoke but when industry bodies say you are smoking counterfeit brands with poisonous affects how do you check?Mar 09 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 217 dents!Mar 09 11:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Hunt saboteur Joe Hashman wins landmark ruling - http://bit.ly/fOzNqV "campaigner's beliefs are akin to religion under UK employment law"Mar 09 11:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The 'Stolen' Scream: Photographer Discovers His Image Is Everywhere... And Embraces It - http://bit.ly/e06m1c a tale with a moral #sharingMar 09 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Democrația necesită Software Liber http://is.gd/NDT54y #romania #software #fsfeMar 09 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] …lasting change does not happen until we unite behind what we want—not just against what we do not.—G.Monbiot http://ur1.ca/3fwig !qMar 09 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) http://goo.gl/foorbMar 09 12:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @openSUSE: Planet #openSUSE: Manu Gupta: openSUSE 11.3 http://bit.ly/fsqtTyMar 09 12:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @NeelieKroesEU: @digiphile: Gov 2.0 and open government take root in India [@HuffingtonPost] http://huff.to/hu6Luf #gov20 #opengov #gov2inMar 09 12:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wednesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/432490/rssMar 09 12:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 #fsfe (via @kgerloff )Mar 09 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RomaniaBizNews: #Google a lansat #Chrome 10 - http://blitzclick.ro/yJg3 #web #softwareMar 09 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @meegoexperts: Intellowares thoughts on #QML and #Qt Development for #MeeGo http://mge.bz/5F #Intel #Linux #NokiaMar 09 12:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: An alternative to pharmaceutical #patents - http://bit.ly/fbiKaD excellent analysis, practical proposal #drugs #pharmaMar 09 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The religious #rightwing is wrong: #USA's #religion isn't #Christianity, it's #freemarket #capitalism.Mar 09 12:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Ubuntu Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release http://is.gd/eDgrs7 #ubuntu #gnu #linuxMar 09 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrightsMar 09 12:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrights via @amMar 09 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @satipera: USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrights via @amMar 09 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] CentOS 5.6 expected for Monday, March 14th http://is.gd/76KOZD #centos #centos5 #gnu #linux #redhat #fedora #softwareMar 09 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Judge eviscerates #P2P lawyer: "I accepted you at your word" - http://bit.ly/hkRGFR what a fab slap-down #copyrightMar 09 12:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] NYT and "torture": Searching for a justification - http://bit.ly/eAVvWJ nailing the NYT's pusillanimous double standards #tortureMar 09 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: Judge eviscerates #P2P lawyer: "I accepted you at your word" - http://bit.ly/hkRGFR what a fab slap-down #copyrightMar 09 12:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Breaking news from the west "You had better watch yourself everybody, we will do what we want when we want, but the law applies to you" #lawMar 09 12:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Ada Initiative kicks off census http://lwn.net/Articles/432529/rssMar 09 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @EDRi_org: EDRi-gram 9.5: French decree establishes what data must be retained by hosting providers http://bit.ly/fWMd3HMar 09 12:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @EDRi_org: EDRi-gram 9.5: #SWIFT agreement implementation not respecting data protection safeguards http://bit.ly/fjo5FjMar 09 12:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @encyclomundi @GreySkyThinking: Sometimes it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. That's energy saving bulbs for youMar 09 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: OpenLogic Research Finds Mobile Apps Fail to Comply with OSS Licenses http://bit.ly/fdyvIG #linux #gnu #mobile #openlogicMar 09 12:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @psquid: I regularly suffer memory leaks. Or as I call them, "dents".Mar 09 12:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back from !BUSC board meeting, Looks like we are generally in good shape for #Taming. :DMar 09 13:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DOINGMar 09 13:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] #nokmsft - Android looks almost ready on n900. Too bad that I will never be able to run WP7 on it. Hmm.Mar 09 13:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @psquid To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DO ...Mar 09 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat 'virtualizes' data with new JBoss ESB (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/hNLp6XMar 09 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @psquid To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DO ...Mar 09 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] AWESOME!!! "She Don't Like Firefly" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-yHSaP0DygMar 09 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @mairin @colby_hoke @robdelaney: NPR head resigns after calling Tea Party "racist" Tomorrow, NASA head to resign after calling space "big"Mar 09 13:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I just took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011Mar 09 13:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] A genuinely extraordinary piece of sophistry by Elder Dallin H. Oaks http://ping.fm/oZBLIMar 09 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra F16 codename clearly has to be "Fighting Falcon" http://outl.ws/eHy2qgMar 09 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Sorry, heybuddy foiled me there.... ooMar 09 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Data Says #Money Might Buy #Happiness, But Happiness Might Not Be What You Want - http://bit.ly/fl0z0g deep & subtle pointMar 09 13:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh don't blame the buddy ;) apologies are unnecessaryMar 09 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra LOL ;)Mar 09 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yay! My @MyMCServ server is ready! #MinecraftMar 09 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @DivaDanese: Known problem (slowness loading some #wikipedia pages) in parts of Europe today. Team already working on the issue #wikimediaMar 09 13:20
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Daemonfcjono: The Ubuntu Natty security certificate signing system is having a bad dayMar 09 13:26
Daemonfcwhat have you been feeding it? :)Mar 09 13:26
Daemonfcalso, I've ran into two KDE 4.6.1 bugs that are particularly annoying, though they are upstream bugsMar 09 13:27
Daemonfcthey must be or they wouldn't happen in every KDE distributionMar 09 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Last time, I visited Cairo, I went to the pyramids. This time, my host is offering to take me to Tahrir Square.Mar 09 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Wiki Wednesday: March 9, 2011 http://mzl.la/ie1IJGMar 09 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup http://goo.gl/z7jshMar 09 13:30
oiaohmHP just announce WebOS on every computer they ship.Mar 09 13:32
oiaohmSo this will mean lot more Linux friendly hardware out there.Mar 09 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @tdfischer: All hail the @beefymiracle! #FedoraMar 09 13:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: Only one day left of F16 name proposals before I MOVE ONWARD. The mustard indicates progress! http://ur1.ca/3fwhrMar 09 13:33
MinceRwill they ship them without m$ tax, at least optionally?Mar 09 13:33
Daemonfcyeah, I noticed the Treacherous Computing support in Linux 2.6.38Mar 09 13:33
DaemonfcTrusted ExecutionMar 09 13:33
DaemonfcIntegrity Management InfrastructureMar 09 13:33
Daemonfcletting the TPM generate binary blob crypto keys and spitting them out to userspace programsMar 09 13:34
Daemonfcfun timesMar 09 13:34
Daemonfconce that starts getting flipped on in the name of security, it means you have no idea what your computer is up toMar 09 13:35
Daemonfcthe TPM is a black box by designMar 09 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] congrats to #Spurs, #ChampionsLeague win tonight !football, doubt any other club would want to draw Spurs, they surprised more than a fewMar 09 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @guardiantech: Space shuttle Discovery landing marks beginning of the end http://bit.ly/hr883EMar 09 13:35
MinceRcan't you just blacklist its modules?Mar 09 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Chernobyl, My Primeval, Teeming, Irradiated Eden - http://bit.ly/emUWp3 wonderfully evocative journalism (v @wickwox) #evolutionMar 09 13:36
Daemonfcyou can build the kernel without them and your TPM will be functionlessMar 09 13:37
oiaohmMinceR: Yes you can blacklist modules.Mar 09 13:37
MinceRDaemonfc: just the way i like itMar 09 13:37
oiaohmBut TPM is built as a core kernel part.Mar 09 13:37
Daemonfcbut it's obviously to turn Chrome OS and WebOS into systems with no user controlMar 09 13:37
MinceRof course i like my PC TPMlessMar 09 13:37
oiaohmAlso TPM can be working from bios down.Mar 09 13:37
oiaohmIe TPM can result in bios not loading the bootloader.Mar 09 13:38
Daemonfcthat's where WebOS and Chrome OS are going, using TPM modules in the Linux kernel to enslave the userMar 09 13:38
MinceRi thought that was optionalMar 09 13:38
oiaohmThen the bootloader not loading the kernel you want.Mar 09 13:38
Daemonfcnot if it's 1. Baked into your EFI (WebOS)Mar 09 13:38
MinceRand that the usual idea was to just checksum whatever you load as long as they trust itMar 09 13:38
Daemonfcor 2. Won't boot without it (Chrome OS)Mar 09 13:38
oiaohmTPM is a double sided sword.Mar 09 13:39
MinceRnot sure about that, their demo netbook had a switch to let you put any firmware on itMar 09 13:39
Daemonfcwhat good is having Chromium OS source if the TPM in everything Chrome OS is sold in won't let the user modify anything anyway?Mar 09 13:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I have decided to stop moaning about Fedora release names and implement my own fighter jet related naming scheme for the distro from now on.Mar 09 13:40
oiaohmGoogle Chrome OS machines have a TPM boot lock off switch.Mar 09 13:40
oiaohmWith the TPM on tampering is very hard.Mar 09 13:41
Daemonfcit's security, from you the userMar 09 13:41
Daemonfcthe guy who bought the fucking deviceMar 09 13:41
Daemonfcand (theoretically) owns itMar 09 13:41
oiaohmChrome OS case where the device has switch on and off.Mar 09 13:41
oiaohmIts not from the user.Mar 09 13:41
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oiaohmSince while the boot lock is off you can change the TPM settings.Mar 09 13:42
DaemonFCwhoopsMar 09 13:42
DaemonFCheheMar 09 13:42
oiaohmUser with direct access to the machine can mess with it under that system.Mar 09 13:42
DaemonFCthis open source video driver stack is so fragile that it either works great or fails completelyMar 09 13:42
DaemonFCdepending on whatever way the wind is blowingMar 09 13:43
oiaohmBut remote user is shot while its on.Mar 09 13:43
oiaohmDaemonFC: Its getting less fragileMar 09 13:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I'm soon gonna switch to F15 Eagle Alpha. I will miss Tomcat, it was a great release!Mar 09 13:43
DaemonFCit fails if you use Transparent Huge PagesMar 09 13:43
DaemonFCit fails if you remove the Big Kernel LockMar 09 13:43
DaemonFCit gets angry if you use a preemptive kernelMar 09 13:44
DaemonFCand it decides to disable color tiling at random depending on what 2.6.38 rc you are usingMar 09 13:44
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 13:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: That's what F14 was called. I certainly like it, but i came back having last tried F10 - the leap was amazingMar 09 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @frostbite: Tried out ubuntu 11.04 a3=not accessibleMar 09 13:45
oiaohmTransparent Huge Pages ok that is understandable new ish feature driver bugs might be found.Mar 09 13:45
MinceRstrangeMar 09 13:45
MinceRpreemptible kernel isn't exactly new :>Mar 09 13:45
DaemonFCUnity is obviously a cheap Mac OS ripoffMar 09 13:45
DaemonFCfor people with reading disorders I guess since everything is an icon nowMar 09 13:45
oiaohmBig Kernel Lock  Nothing newish should be depending on it.Mar 09 13:45
DaemonFCFGLRX falls down, goes boom without itMar 09 13:46
DaemonFCbut there's unofficial patches to the glue layer that fix thatMar 09 13:46
oiaohmThe unofficial patches create a new lock that is FGLRX only.Mar 09 13:46
MinceR:>Mar 09 13:46
DaemonFCFGLRX only seems to depend on BKL in one or two places, AMD could probably use spinlocks thereMar 09 13:47
DaemonFCsince that's what the unofficial patch doesMar 09 13:47
oiaohmExactly there is no techical reason for FGLRX to be using BKL in the first place.Mar 09 13:47
DaemonFCi.e, it's like ReiserFS de-BKLificationMar 09 13:47
oiaohmIt was miss use.Mar 09 13:47
DaemonFCit doesn't work better, but it won't explodeMar 09 13:47
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 13:47
oiaohmThere was tones and Tones of Miss use.Mar 09 13:48
DaemonFCI can't believe Ubuntu even lets you install to ReiserFS anymoreMar 09 13:48
DaemonFCwhat year is this?Mar 09 13:48
oiaohmSo almost the last one is FGLRX itselfMar 09 13:48
oiaohmReiserFS is still maintained.Mar 09 13:48
DaemonFCpoorlyMar 09 13:48
DaemonFConly enough to avoid build failures and to make sure it won't breakMar 09 13:48
DaemonFCit's not getting new features, it's not getting fasterMar 09 13:49
DaemonFCin fact, it hasn't been touched since the BKL removal that made it actually slowerMar 09 13:49
DaemonFCin 2.6.33?Mar 09 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: I think F10 was the first Linux I tried and the lack of codec support confused me back then :)Mar 09 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #illinois great news. They have banned the death sentence and joined civilisation #notretributionMar 09 13:50
DaemonFCHans Reiser's claims of being faster than Ext3 were dubious and ReiserFS is a nightmare to recover anything from if the file system becomes corruptMar 09 13:50
DaemonFCit's time to just disable the option for new installsMar 09 13:50
DaemonFCsave the newbies from themselvesMar 09 13:50
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 13:50
DaemonFCJFS and ReiserFS, nobody should be using themMar 09 13:51
DaemonFCat allMar 09 13:51
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 13:51
DaemonFCthey're old, barely maintained, are slow, have lots of documented problems, and don't get along with SELinux, Tomoyo, or SmackMar 09 13:51
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 13:51
oiaohmDaemonFC: Mine you is it transpartent huge pages or is it memory defraging.Mar 09 13:52
MinceRyes, also disable the option to choose what should happen when you close the lid of the laptopMar 09 13:52
DaemonFCyour system should fail to sleep and turn into the EZ Bake Laptop of courseMar 09 13:52
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 13:52
DaemonFC(Mac)Mar 09 13:52
MinceR:>Mar 09 13:52
MinceRthey're pretty close to that even if they're open, afaikMar 09 13:53
DaemonFCyes, and they still never fixed the discoloration problem eitherMar 09 13:53
DaemonFCthat pretty finishing wears down and the case starts yellowingMar 09 13:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] you have to wonder at the world we're now living in sometimes http://tighturl.com/2zsg football car sticker c********dMar 09 13:53
oiaohmDaemonFC: Really you stated why Ubuntu has it.Mar 09 13:53
DaemonFCthat's been a problem on their systems since PowerPC was still aroundMar 09 13:53
DaemonFCUbuntu does not have THPMar 09 13:54
DaemonFCit is disabled in their KconfigMar 09 13:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: ReiserFS and  apparmor worksMar 09 13:54
DaemonFCyes because AppArmor doesn't need to label the file systemMar 09 13:54
DaemonFCXFS works with all MAC implementations in the kernelMar 09 13:54
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 13:54
oiaohmTomoyo does not need labels either.Mar 09 13:54
DaemonFCas do Ext2, 3, and 4Mar 09 13:55
oiaohmTomoyo tech is what made Apparmor partly work.Mar 09 13:55
DaemonFCCrappArmor is there the let malicious stuff happen while the user is busy dealing with the problems it is causingMar 09 13:56
DaemonFCthe DBUS failure to load hilarityMar 09 13:56
DaemonFCFirefox not being able to download files or access the GTK+ theming engineMar 09 13:56
DaemonFCif it's so easy, why does Ubuntu misconfigure it?Mar 09 13:56
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MinceRapparmor is pathname-based, isn't it? weren't there issues with that? or it was the other way around?Mar 09 13:56
MinceRhttp://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090323080940/http://www.appledefects.com/?p=15Mar 09 13:57
oiaohmMinceR: Yes there were path based issues.Mar 09 13:58
oiaohmMinceR:  Tomoyo designed a new system for handling path based that is solid.Mar 09 13:59
MinceRicMar 09 13:59
oiaohmMinceR:  And apparmor got migrated to that.Mar 09 13:59
MinceRwhat did they do?Mar 09 13:59
oiaohmMinceR: Add means to solve to raw device holding the file.Mar 09 13:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] printf style debugging of any program (even proprietary) as long as you have .h http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2011/03/09/ann-liblogger/Mar 09 14:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Myths and patent reform | http://bit.ly/ffddWw #innovationMar 09 14:00
oiaohmPrior to Tomoyo the VFS was a universal mask of I don't have a clue where that file is coming from.Mar 09 14:00
MinceRi think i understandMar 09 14:00
oiaohmYes VFS had to know the raw device that was holding the file.Mar 09 14:01
oiaohmBut it was telling no one.Mar 09 14:01
DaemonFCSELinux never had this problem because it doesn't ask the VFS what's going onMar 09 14:02
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 14:02
oiaohmDaemonFC: SELinux did have this problem early on.Mar 09 14:03
oiaohmDaemonFC: why they went labels.Mar 09 14:03
oiaohmIe labels are a hack that works around the issue.Mar 09 14:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] There's a special place in hell for web designers/devs who put hovering toolbars across the bottom of websites.Mar 09 14:05
oiaohmOne of the things Tomoyo does different to Apparmor is hardlinks are forbin unless approved by Tomoyo.Mar 09 14:05
DaemonFCI have to ask, but why does Ubuntu need to apply 11 MB of patches to the kernel?Mar 09 14:05
oiaohmAnd that is due to a limtiation.Mar 09 14:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: 11 MB of patches I really don't know why.Mar 09 14:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: Do you have a patch list contianed.Mar 09 14:06
DaemonFCno, they release it as one giant blobMar 09 14:06
DaemonFCwithout breaking out any of themMar 09 14:06
DaemonFCvery little commenting on what's going onMar 09 14:07
DaemonFCor why they need to change anythingMar 09 14:07
MinceRsounds a lot like what a certain other distro started doing recently :>Mar 09 14:11
DaemonFC"Say N here unless you're an XFS developer, or play one on TV"Mar 09 14:12
DaemonFCheheMar 09 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Me too! ♺ @jledbetter: I just took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011Mar 09 14:15
DaemonFCI always exclude staging driversMar 09 14:15
DaemonFCspeaking of which, hv is still thereMar 09 14:15
DaemonFCMinceR's favoriteMar 09 14:15
MinceRhype-v?Mar 09 14:15
DaemonFCyeahMar 09 14:15
MinceR:>Mar 09 14:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft and Novell keep it just fixed up enough to continue on in the staging treeMar 09 14:16
DaemonFCthey don't want anyone to actually be able to use it without paying themMar 09 14:16
DaemonFCso it always has bugsMar 09 14:16
MinceR:>Mar 09 14:16
MinceRdoes anyone have hype-v without paying them?Mar 09 14:16
MinceRi mean, legallyMar 09 14:16
DaemonFCon the Windows side, you pay for Windows, obviouslyMar 09 14:16
DaemonFCthey don't want a non-Novell Linux supporting it and people using the Linux guest support for freeMar 09 14:17
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 14:17
oiaohmNovell has a hacked up verson of KVM that can use hyper-v drivers.Mar 09 14:17
DaemonFCMicrosoft gets you on the way in, Novell gets you on the way outMar 09 14:17
oiaohmBut really its pointless since most KVM native drivers for Windows are better performing.Mar 09 14:17
MinceR:>Mar 09 14:17
MinceRaren't there untainted virtio drivers for KVM anyway?Mar 09 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Trying out #xfce on my home workstationMar 09 14:18
DaemonFCMicrosoft sells the problem then Novell says they have the cureMar 09 14:19
DaemonFCblessed binaries and patent licenses = "Interop"Mar 09 14:19
MinceRyou can buy problems that enable you to buy even more problemsMar 09 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Install your !statusnet server ♺ @micu: Revolution failed: !Facebook not available in #Egypt: http://is.gd/R438hC !FSFE !FOSS !FLOSS !FSMar 09 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL ♺ @yamanickill: I won't tell anyone that minecraft.net is back up.... !loMar 09 14:31
DaemonFCMinceR: a Mixed Source EnvironmentMar 09 14:33
DaemonFCi.e., We don't care what you use as long as you pay usMar 09 14:33
MinceR:>Mar 09 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup http://bit.ly/goNUf4Mar 09 14:35
DaemonFCMinceR expects only the best in ISV support for his MSE, so he chooses the best IT solutions for his VM decisions.Mar 09 14:36
DaemonFCB-)Mar 09 14:36
MinceRi also roll dice on bullshit bingo cardsMar 09 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US-Libya Relations: Surviving the Wikileaks Controversy? http://alturl.com/93fs9 !wlMar 09 14:36
MinceR:>Mar 09 14:36
DaemonFCI want to know why Microsoft WOULD buy more SuSE couponsMar 09 14:37
DaemonFCNovell is already bankrupt and begging to be sold on the cheap to some no name outfitMar 09 14:37
MinceRprobably to keep novell sort of aliveMar 09 14:37
DaemonFCwho would buy a support contract from them?Mar 09 14:37
DaemonFC10 years? You may not even get 1Mar 09 14:37
MinceRthe same kind of people who would buy m$ productsMar 09 14:37
MinceRor assist nigerian royalty to move their money abroadMar 09 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @jfred99: What is software philosophy? Why does it matter? What is #free software? Here's some very clear answers http://is.gd/EqaEk2Mar 09 14:38
MinceRor buy crApple productsMar 09 14:38
DaemonFCI knew something was deeply wrong when I booted up OpenSuSE 10.3 and was greeting by an EXE file which had dlls included running in a .Net cloneMar 09 14:38
MinceRor buy snake oilMar 09 14:38
MinceRor buy adobe productsMar 09 14:38
MinceRetc.Mar 09 14:38
MinceRwell, that's what suse is aboutMar 09 14:39
MinceRpromoting monoMar 09 14:39
DaemonFCwhy do they name them EXE and DLL?Mar 09 14:39
DaemonFCdoes it matter what the extension is?Mar 09 14:39
MinceRbecause when m$ designs a "portable" system they spread windowsisms all aroundMar 09 14:39
MinceRthat's how your .net/mono binaries end up with PE headersMar 09 14:40
MinceRwith stub code written for dos or winblows, maybe bothMar 09 14:40
MinceRand some people don't see anything wrong with this, of courseMar 09 14:40
MinceRbecause winblows is so greatMar 09 14:40
MinceRespecially dllsMar 09 14:40
MinceR(they couldn't even implement shared libraries properly...)Mar 09 14:40
DaemonFCyeah, they have the header "This program can not be run in MS-DOS mode"Mar 09 14:40
DaemonFCon every Mono EXEMar 09 14:40
DaemonFCB-)Mar 09 14:41
MinceR(if you're lucky, two processes _might_ share the same copy of the same dll in memory)Mar 09 14:41
cubexyzdlls are used if you use wineMar 09 14:41
DaemonFCwithout both of them crashing you mean?Mar 09 14:41
MinceR(and if something goes wrong in loading a dll, you'll never find out what it was)Mar 09 14:41
MinceRno, they just play with memory addressesMar 09 14:41
MinceRbecause position-independent code is something that happens to other peopleMar 09 14:41
MinceRso if you aren't lucky, those addresses are already used by some other module of your executableMar 09 14:42
DaemonFCIn the Windows world, it's OK to have 12 different versions of the same dll to hide the fact that binary software has dependency issuesMar 09 14:42
MinceRthat tooMar 09 14:42
MinceRit's also ok to name them the exact same thingMar 09 14:42
MinceRwhich consists of 6 random letters and 2 random numbers, with ".dll" tacked on at the endMar 09 14:43
MinceRand sometimes stuff is loaded by addresses hardcoded into the .exe, it seemsMar 09 14:43
MinceRbasically if you want to know how to implement something the least sane way, you can look at how m$ did somethingMar 09 14:44
DaemonFCVBRUN600.DLL NOT FOUND! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! We must go back to 1998 and find a copy! :-)Mar 09 14:44
MinceR:>Mar 09 14:44
MinceRyou can go try 12 copies and maybe one of them won't crash your applicationMar 09 14:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How could #copyright infringement possibly deter visitors to a country? http://ow.ly/4bfJo I'm confusedMar 09 14:45
DaemonFCWindows Answer = Install every version of every DLL on the Windows 7 DVD then find reasons to excuse the lack of space for drivers.Mar 09 14:45
MinceR:>Mar 09 14:45
DaemonFCPRO TIP: You get to go on a hunt for more later!'Mar 09 14:45
cubexyza lot of Loki stuff won't run easily on a modern distroMar 09 14:45
MinceRnonfree crap breaks easilyMar 09 14:46
cubexyztrueMar 09 14:46
DaemonFCthat's because it's binary/proprietary cannot be updated and built against new librariesMar 09 14:46
MinceRbut at least the name of the shared objects actually means somethingMar 09 14:46
DaemonFCsame problem Windows has with EVERYTHINGMar 09 14:46
MinceRlike the major version being the version of the interfaceMar 09 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Example of anti-semitic attacks on WikiLeaks http://alturl.com/k5hti !wlMar 09 14:46
MinceRand it tends to be the only thing that matters as far as actually being able to load and use the .so goesMar 09 14:47
MinceR(if arch is correct, of course)Mar 09 14:47
cubexyzthank goodness for LFS and coreboot ;-)Mar 09 14:47
cubexyzok, I know, too hard-core Mar 09 14:47
MinceR:>Mar 09 14:47
DaemonFCFedora still provides (optional) compatibility versions of old glibc and suchMar 09 14:48
MinceRthat's nice of themMar 09 14:48
DaemonFCincluding their broken "2.96" releaseMar 09 14:48
DaemonFCfrom Red Hat 7Mar 09 14:48
MinceRcertain other distros don't seem to careMar 09 14:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bonnshakespeare: The cast for #TamingOfTheShrew is now official: http://busc.de #buscMar 09 14:48
cubexyztoo bad loki couldn't or wouldn't open source their gamesMar 09 14:48
DaemonFCRed Hat had their arguments for calling it GCC 2.96 and releasing itMar 09 14:49
DaemonFCthe problem was the Linux kernel code was so bad that almost everything broke when fed to a standards compliant compilerMar 09 14:49
DaemonFCat that timeMar 09 14:49
DaemonFCso they ended up having to ship a second gcc dubbed, kgcc to build the kernelMar 09 14:49
cubexyzthat's kind of why I have so many Linux boxes with different versionsMar 09 14:49
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 14:49
MinceRyet RH7 was a breath of fresh air after winblowsMar 09 14:50
cubexyzyou could go back further than thatMar 09 14:50
cubexyzwhat was big in 1995?Mar 09 14:50
MinceRthat's what i started on, thoughMar 09 14:50
DaemonFCI remember grabbing Linux 2.6.0 and building it for MandrakeMar 09 14:50
DaemonFCI didn't feel like waitingMar 09 14:50
DaemonFCMandrake was a few months away from another release and I was sick of 2.4 and its damned lagMar 09 14:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] OTVArabic - Wikileaks Episode 1 http://alturl.com/oeoco !wlMar 09 14:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bonnshakespeare: If you ever wanted to learn how to direct a stage play, join us this weekend. More info: http://busc.deMar 09 14:51
cubexyzI played around with BeOS in 1997Mar 09 14:52
DaemonFCthere were various low latency patches floating around for Linux 2.4 that helpedMar 09 14:52
DaemonFCbut it was still quite badMar 09 14:52
DaemonFCthe solution to the problem is of course, to not discuss the problemMar 09 14:53
DaemonFCwhat problem? there is no problem!Mar 09 14:53
cubexyzI guess Yggdrasil topped out in 1995Mar 09 14:53
DaemonFCthen after 2.6 was out, they started to say "Hey use 2.6, 2.4 has LAAAAAG!"Mar 09 14:53
cubexyzand Redhat started what, 1994 or soMar 09 14:53
DaemonFC1993Mar 09 14:53
cubexyzah okMar 09 14:53
cubexyzwikipedia says Red Hat 1.0 in Nov 1994Mar 09 14:55
DaemonFCthey had pre-1.0 iircMar 09 14:55
MinceRDaemonFC: probably that's when people started to have something to compare the lag toMar 09 14:55
MinceR:>Mar 09 14:55
DaemonFCthey had betas out in MayMar 09 14:55
DaemonFCfor a long time their answer to KDE was to just ignore itMar 09 14:56
DaemonFCthen they started supporting it, badlyMar 09 14:56
cubexyzso what was the first redhat with KDE?Mar 09 14:56
DaemonFCbreaking it to be as dumbed down as GNOMEMar 09 14:56
DaemonFCI think Red Hat 7 had itMar 09 14:56
DaemonFCand the "BlueCurve" themeMar 09 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: ACS:LAW on BBC 1 - Thursday 10th March @ 7pm http://tinyurl.com/6yu57vs !piracy !tpb !acslaw !bbc !bittorrent !torrentMar 09 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL.Mar 09 14:56
DaemonFCno wait, it was 8 that had BlueCurve, I remember the bitchingMar 09 14:57
cubexyzyeah I used 8Mar 09 14:57
DaemonFCthey were dumbing it down to be like GNOMEMar 09 14:57
cubexyzdid it not have KDE?Mar 09 14:57
MinceRRH7 did have KDEMar 09 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Steer clear of #Android Market and its #DRM http://ur1.ca/3fyjk !dbd http://www.defectivebydesign.orgMar 09 14:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why does a repeat get rendered as "RT" in heybuddy? @jezra, fix that! ;)Mar 09 14:58
DaemonFCright, but 8 was BlueCurveMar 09 14:58
DaemonFCI remember one Red Hat employee quit over thatMar 09 14:58
DaemonFCsaid he refused to help them break KDEMar 09 14:58
DaemonFCI really don't see what the big deal isMar 09 14:59
MinceRwhat was wrong with BlueCurve?Mar 09 14:59
DaemonFCit's a theme, users can change themes they don't likeMar 09 14:59
MinceRit seemed to look all right to meMar 09 14:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh send that bug to the client that posted the "RT".Mar 09 15:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Identi.ca web. It's the API.Mar 09 15:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Q: Why is free software important in the 21st century? A: Freedom! http://ur1.ca/3fyub (ogg video)Mar 09 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh yes it is, and I don't like that "twitter-compatible" crap.Mar 09 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Can't you change it in post? :PMar 09 15:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Example of anti-semitic attacks on WikiLeaks http://youtube.com/watch?v=BTFzMzBdew4 http://bit.ly/dSXv60Mar 09 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: OTVArabic - Wikileaks Episode 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=cNt0v6eeqRo http://bit.ly/fLFvrhMar 09 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh I could, but I certainly prefer to *not* edit was someone else's words, unless it is @methoddan announcing the netbook winner ;)Mar 09 15:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Meh, fuck it. Sometimes you gotta roll the hard six.Mar 09 15:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] So much still to do but I simply gotta sleep.... Catch you on the other side, folks! OoMar 09 15:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh I'll take a natural 20 over the hard 6 anyday!Mar 09 15:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh: no. I suffer from that in !elmdentica as well. !statusnet people not inclined to fix that bug, claim WONTFIXMar 09 15:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] I have a recycle status for that in !elmdentica ♻ @jezra: @fabsh yes it is, and I don't like that "twitter-compatible" crap.Mar 09 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] We need a FLOSS toolkit for creating !Wikileaks copies. All tools needed to set up a secure site for anonymous data transfers in one packageMar 09 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: Windows 7 app sales error? – Next Web gets corrected by developer http://tinyurl.com/6f6v4ht !wp7 !microsoft !windows7 !mvpbuzzMar 09 15:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Waterboarding is torture, but not when the U.S. does it http://ur1.ca/3fz9mMar 09 15:35
MinceRgnMar 09 15:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Very cogent analysis of the fiasco: #NPR falls into the right's trap, twice http://ur1.ca/3fz8kMar 09 15:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #BBC staff tortured by pro-Gadaffi forces #Lybia http://tighturl.com/2zsnMar 09 15:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Canonical tips Oneiric Ocelot release amid !Ubuntu controversy http://ow.ly/4bhEjMar 09 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @karinlow: Dear Snow, You can stop falling now. Thanks, Me.Mar 09 15:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rsandu: CentOS 5.6 expected for Monday, March 14th http://is.gd/76KOZD #centos #centos5 #gnu #linux #redhat #fedora #softwareMar 09 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: U.S. officials pushed products deemed unsafe by China http://is.gd/h8ig5B !wlMar 09 16:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Arab Revolutions Through the WikiLeaks Lens | FP http://is.gd/wIH5xT !wlMar 09 16:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Cable identified 23 in Australia with Qaeda links http://is.gd/OY1o7p !wlMar 09 16:11
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Daemonfcok, I finally got Ubuntu's AppArmor and ureadahead patches to apply cleanlyMar 09 16:14
Daemonfcvictory is mine!Mar 09 16:14
Daemonfcdamn you jono why can't Canonical be more transparent?Mar 09 16:14
Daemonfc:)Mar 09 16:14
Daemonfc"We applied this patch and that patch, no we're not telling you how to get ahold of them!"Mar 09 16:15
Daemonfcyou get a choice of pulling their entire git tree and trying to figure out what they did or getting a tarball with all of the patches applied and building it as-is, bugs and allMar 09 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks sheds light on Monitor Group work with Libyan security organization | Examiner http://is.gd/R8oSId !wlMar 09 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Progressives Lose When They Accept the Right's Framing: The #Market and #Inequality http://ur1.ca/3fzxiMar 09 16:16
oiaohmDaemonfc: at least a redhat or Fedora will work out box with a stock kernel.Mar 09 16:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @csoghoian: Law firm at center of HBGary/Chamber spying scandal holding privacy reception at DC Spy Museum tonight http://is.gd/1t3V9uMar 09 16:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: In the Commons chamber before votes tonight. It is uncommonly loud with chatter.Mar 09 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @kennethlipp: Proposed: Women get death if they miscarry http://t.co/LPrCFHC @Emma_A War in US against #reproductiverightsMar 09 16:25
DaemonfcI've been trying to tweak my kernel to speed up the drm/radeon bitsMar 09 16:25
DaemonfcI've had some successMar 09 16:25
DaemonfcI know glxgears is not a benchmark, but I went from 800 or so fps with stock Ubuntu to 4500 or so with latest video driver stuff / x.orgMar 09 16:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @kennethlipp: @Emma_A Haha. Yes. We need a campaign #DeathtoOnanists #SaveaTadpole #JizzhasFeelingsTooMar 09 16:26
Daemonfcnow I get to use apt to beat Ubuntu's crappy kernel over the head and toss it in the wood chipperMar 09 16:28
Daemonfcno offense to jonoMar 09 16:28
DaemonfcB-)Mar 09 16:28
jonoDaemonfc, you, offensive? never, pal :-)Mar 09 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: “Clement Attlee is a modest man who has much to be modest about” - Winston Churchill #quoteMar 09 16:28
Daemonfcjono: With all the attention to detail, you'd think Ubuntu could pimp my Radeon for meMar 09 16:29
Daemonfcright?Mar 09 16:29
Daemonfcjono: Ryan has a RadeonHD, he would like it to be faster than his 3dfx Voodoo 2 in Ubuntu, he is sad that he has to fix it himself.Mar 09 16:33
Daemonfcthe start of a use case?Mar 09 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Anony_Ops: Don't Let TPP Become the Next ACTA: Contact Your Lawmakers and Demand Transparency!: http://bit.ly/iiHABkMar 09 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: RT @MikeElk: UNION LEADERS TO CALL EMERGENCY MEETING TO DISCUSS GENERAL STRIKE #wiunionMar 09 16:33
jonoDaemonfc, heheMar 09 16:34
Daemonfcjono bought an Nvidia card and is currently smacking his head against the keyboard, jono knows that no matter what he does with it, it is the wrong course of actionMar 09 16:35
Daemonfcpoor hypothetical jonoMar 09 16:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sergiorauber/@sergiorauber] RT @wikileaks2: WikiLeaks sheds light on Monitor Group work with Libyan security organization | Examiner http://is.gd/R8oSId !wlMar 09 16:35
DaemonfcMinceR bought a system with Intel Extreme(ly bad) Graphics, or whatever they call those these days, he doesn't seem to mind that Intel has basically forked Mesa and bloated the X.org Server with a modesetting method that only they use, or that it is mostly just a step up from LLVMPIPEMar 09 16:37
DaemonfcMinceR is 1337Mar 09 16:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Mozilla launches Firefox 4.0 release candidate (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/hQuY1NMar 09 16:40
Daemonfcjono: I raided Debian Multimedia and got the S3TC librariesMar 09 16:40
DaemonfcSauerbraten perked up quite a lotMar 09 16:40
Daemonfc:)Mar 09 16:40
Daemonfcyou have to be running pretty much the latest kernel and x.org/mesa stack or the stupid command stream checker won't allow itMar 09 16:41
DaemonfcI say stack because it's not one driver, it's something like 2 drivers and 3 components (X Server, libdrm, mesa/gallium) Mar 09 16:42
Daemonfcit's starting to look like the planets have to be aligned for your video card to workMar 09 16:43
Daemonfcjono would probably describe it as a lot of full moons out there beaming bozo rays into everyone's brains Mar 09 16:43
Daemonfcand I would say I have to agree with this assessmentMar 09 16:44
Daemonfcjono: When do you figure Red Hat will be done writing Wayland so you can take it?Mar 09 16:45
Daemonfc:DMar 09 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Conversation with PayPal Support regarding Wikileaks (recording) http://alturl.com/tjidk !wlMar 09 16:46
jonololMar 09 16:47
DaemonfcI'm excited for Ubuntu, they'll take Wayland and make it purpleMar 09 16:48
Daemonfcthese are exciting timesMar 09 16:48
Daemonfcit can interface with your driver and compositing manager and totally render the window controls backwardsMar 09 16:49
Daemonfcbrilliant!Mar 09 16:50
Daemonfcyou can't get these results on XMar 09 16:50
DaemonfcI'd like to thank Phoronix for doubling the size of my ad block listMar 09 16:51
DaemonfcjesusMar 09 16:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @MaryKostakidis: Come to a big public rally at Sydney Town Hall 6pm 16 March in support of Assange and freedom of information !wlMar 09 16:51
Daemonfche runs benchmarks every day to note 1% +/-Mar 09 16:52
Daemonfcand packs the page full of adsMar 09 16:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” http://ping.fm/F4RyuMar 09 16:53
Daemonfche's all like "ZOMG! with sqlite and 7zip Linux 2.6.38 is 1% slower than 2.6.32, let's all just totally ignore that your RadeonHD is twice as fast, and I'll just not flip on all this neat performance related stuff new to .38!"Mar 09 16:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] LWN.net Weekly Edition for March 10, 2011 http://lwn.net/Articles/430942/rssMar 09 16:56
Daemonfctransparent huge page support and delayed logging make XFS a beastMar 09 16:58
DaemonfcB-)Mar 09 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: Esoterica II – David e Golias http://goo.gl/3rxmgMar 09 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @magicbus: http://goo.gl/6g70k Safari/Mac OS X the first to be owned. Webkit (naturally) is blamed.Mar 09 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @jackschofield: Safari/MacBook first to fall at #Pwn2Own 2011, by Ryan Naraine at ZD Net http://zd.net/g7flLBMar 09 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Thank the brave #WI state senators who fled the state to protect worker's rights. http://ur1.ca/3g1jv #CREDOMobile #solidarityWIMar 09 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ryanaraine: #Pwn2Own 2011: IE8 on Windows 7 hijacked with 3 vulnerabilities http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=8367Mar 09 17:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Don't let the Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your representative and demand transparency: https://eff.org/r.2z7Mar 09 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @eff Don't let the Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your representative and demand transparency: https://eff. ...Mar 09 17:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ryanaraine chrome survives day 1 at #pwn2own. the contestants who signed up for chrome were no-shows. they'll try again tomorrowMar 09 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I wonder if this will work in a very humid area like Singapore? Would love to try it at the west coast park. http://vimeo.com/14168034 #fbMar 09 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Don't let Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your congress*n & demand transparency https://eff.org/r.2z7Mar 09 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Conversation w/ PayPal Support regarding !WikiLeaks (recording) > http://youtu.be/QIY9VnGSc08 [claims donations will not be kept by PayPal]Mar 09 17:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @w3c Web Tracking and User Privacy: The Next Steps. http://ow.ly/1bH5XtMar 09 17:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL.Mar 09 17:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: China's top-secret SC-19 anti-satellite missile http://is.gd/kDOPBc !wlMar 09 18:21
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GoForbes28Wow, Roy's been gone for quite awhileMar 09 18:24
Daemonfcryan@ryan-MS-7501:~/$ glxinfo | grep GalliumMar 09 18:25
DaemonfcOpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOODMar 09 18:25
Daemonfcryan@ryan-MS-7501:~/$ uname -aMar 09 18:26
DaemonfcLinux ryan-MS-7501 2.6.38-rc8-ryan1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Mar 9 18:40:14 EST 2011 x86_64 GNU/LinuxMar 09 18:26
DaemonfcB-)Mar 09 18:26
oiaohmhttp://identi.ca/schestowitz  GoForbes28 Moving housesMar 09 18:26
oiaohmDaemonfc: so prity close to a stock kernel?Mar 09 18:27
Daemonfcaside from three apparmor patches, it is stockMar 09 18:27
oiaohmWith the closed source ati drivers they will catch up with huge pages after 2.6.38 is released.Mar 09 18:28
oiaohmmost likely catch up with BKL at the same time.Mar 09 18:28
DaemonfcI don't even care, I'm done with FGLRX and its bad behavior, random shittiness Mar 09 18:28
DaemonfcIt seems like every month they fix some bugs, and I find as many or more someplace else, it's like they're just shifting them aroundMar 09 18:30
oiaohmNot there is about 1200 bugs in it.Mar 09 18:30
oiaohmSo the number is dropping it started at over 3000 when AMD got ATI.Mar 09 18:30
DaemonfcI suspect that their Enterprise customers bitches about something, and they hack around the problem and make a few moreMar 09 18:30
DaemonfcI'm sure that's how Catalyst worksMar 09 18:31
oiaohmThink back to prior to the AMD aquirement .Mar 09 18:31
oiaohmCompared to then the Catalyet driver now are high quality.Mar 09 18:31
DaemonfcAMD should have bought Nvidia, at least they wouldn't have this nightmareMar 09 18:31
oiaohmBut they still sux.Mar 09 18:32
oiaohmNvidia was not cheep enough.Mar 09 18:32
DaemonfcATI was all about cutting corners, half-assing, and jerry riggingMar 09 18:32
oiaohmTo be correct ATI chip designers were not half bad.Mar 09 18:33
oiaohmDriver developers and Legal department in ATI have really had AMD rip right threw them for incompetence.Mar 09 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #DOD Passes the Buck Rather than Let #Kucinich Visit #BradleyManning http://ur1.ca/3g30gMar 09 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #DOD Declares #War on … Underwear http://ur1.ca/3g30zMar 09 18:35
DaemonfcI think it's weird how this open source stack is being developedMar 09 18:36
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DaemonfcI'm surprised that it's progressing as quickly as it isMar 09 18:36
oiaohmAMD is serious about it.Mar 09 18:36
oiaohmThings would move lot faster if the legal deparment clearances were not required.Mar 09 18:37
oiaohmin a way that takes a few months.Mar 09 18:37
oiaohmDue to the fact ATI docs were not clean.Mar 09 18:37
oiaohmAMD is almost to the point that all new cards that can release all the specs before they enter production.  DaemonfcMar 09 18:38
oiaohmIe AMD does that with there CPU's for years.Mar 09 18:38
Daemonfcyeah, binary drivers are maddeningMar 09 18:40
Daemonfcthe extra performance isn't even worth the headache Mar 09 18:40
Daemonfcso I'm not even going to use FGLRX anymoreMar 09 18:40
Daemonfcthe thing that pisses me off the most is how you have to wait until AMD is damned good and ready to release their monthly update before maybe using the latest kernelMar 09 18:41
Daemonfc(or maybe you wait another month)Mar 09 18:41
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oiaohmDaemonfc: intentional policyMar 09 18:46
oiaohmDaemonfc:  to force focus on the open source drivers.Mar 09 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Political prisoner Bradley Manning's state dangerously deteriorating http://alturl.com/pk64g !wlMar 09 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Julian Assange, The Man Behind WikiLeaks | CBS interview http://is.gd/kiFOef !wlMar 09 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl !wlMar 09 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] No dinner companions tonight so it's time to cook the tuna steak and drink the merlot.Mar 09 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry !wlMar 09 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] nice to do #adhoc #teaching. explained a colleague yesterday about basic #programming skills; loops, data structs, etc. today he showed it!Mar 09 19:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @mairin #sxsw here we come! /cc: !fedoraMar 09 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I'm "this" close to quitting #Twitter. Tag-based auto-followers = the plague. Besides, I prefer identi.ca's features.Mar 09 19:48
Ender2070http://www.infowars.com/soros-communist-chinese-model-of-order-may-become-the-envy-of-the-world/Mar 09 19:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Amazing piece: Five Ways to Be Tone Deaf in #Washington http://ur1.ca/3g3v5 #MotherJones #MoJoMar 09 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] These #GOP #Budget Cuts Might Make You Puke (or Worse) http://ur1.ca/3g4cx #food #safety #health #MotherJones #MoJo #wtfMar 09 20:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @rejon RT @taweili Who Will be the Steve Jobs of China? http://flpbd.it/MI88 Jobs is unique, one in a billion... Wait... Still dumb q ...Mar 09 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #FLOSS Weekly 156 with @methoddan: !SELinux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5VNrXOr6sMar 09 20:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] I know @methoddan is not the guest Dan Walsh, but the host Dan Lynch ;-) /cc: !SELinuxMar 09 20:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] State Has No Obligation To Protect Police Officers, Ottawa To Argue At Appeal - http://bit.ly/hLWqA7 #cdnpoliMar 09 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Even older in Stardate measurement...RT @Finola William Shatner is almost 80? omg. - Makes me feel old too!Mar 09 20:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I am late today, I missed Runa's Talk, now she is answering questions of audience after talk - #kdeconf #kdeindia #confkdeinMar 09 20:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Next Talk - Opportunities around Nokia platforms and emerging app economy #kdeconf #kdeindia #confkdeinMar 09 20:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Please update schedule on Tweet and Dents #kdeconf #confkdein @pradeepto @ApurvaTripathi @madcap_loon @kushaldas @kdeindia @rajitsinghMar 09 20:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Hall S1 - learning QTScript, Hall S2 - learning pyQT, #kdeconf #confkdein #kdeindiaMar 09 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl http://bit.ly/hB1LvxMar 09 21:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry http://bit.ly/hJtrUfMar 09 21:06
Ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ7HmcJCi4Mar 09 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The #Brain Eating #Vaccine #Conspiracy http://ur1.ca/3g501 #Wired #wtfMar 09 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Fascinating, bookmarked! Under Pressure: The Search for a #Stress #Vaccine http://ur1.ca/3g58r #Wired #biologyMar 09 21:15
Ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxoMar 09 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Wisconsin: Walker passes illegal anti-American bill, fuck him like we fucked Mubarak and his regime http://ur1.ca/3g5drMar 09 21:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] See Jobs available with Qt - http://fossjobs.in/search/qt #kdeconf #confkdein #kdeindiaMar 09 21:20
Ender2070http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_WeishauptMar 09 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Qt Jobs - http://tinyurl.com/6ef8qrc #kdeconf #confkdein @pradeepto @ApurvaTripathi @madcap_loon @kushaldas @kdeindia @rajitsingh plz RTMar 09 21:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 447 Minis votes for a God. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #Minis #fantasy #worthreadingMar 09 21:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #SarahPalin's Father: 'We Sleep With #Guns' http://ur1.ca/3g5ib I sleep with pillows.Mar 09 21:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I have a bunch of blog posts to write. I should be working on them, but I'm not. #procrastinationMar 09 21:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Nongeek friend on #tags: Why not make'em normal links—just highlight/color? All the #'s hurt my eyes; like looking at a broken website.Mar 09 21:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Anyone time to help #openSUSE? screenshots page must be updated. http://bit.ly/eZiVFG screenshots here: http://bit.ly/evVe5YMar 09 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @eLiberatica: #Mozilla makes a better case for #web #apps in minutes than #Google did in months http://is.gd/Yiw7dpMar 09 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @alpvonkri: #openSUSE #Linux 11.4 será oficialmente lanzado mañana 10 / Marzo / 2011 a las 8:00am (Tiempo del Centro de México)Mar 09 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mem: Yay! I'm getting a new PC at work, now it only has to get thru the paperwork :-P Can't wait to get #debian on it :-)Mar 09 22:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Holy bullshit, Batman! No Anonymous Browsing http://ur1.ca/3g5zs #UK #O2 #iPhone #censorship #failMar 09 22:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @stephiedg Annma's talk has started in the main auditorium! It's about how to start contributing to KDE-edu : #confkdein #kdeindiaMar 09 22:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @akavoor I'm giving away 500 Kubuntu CDs today, post lunch at #confkdein #kdeindiaMar 09 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I have SchoolOS Digital Library (2GB) - http://schooloslibrary.sourceforge.net/ , anyone can come and take - #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 09 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @karunakarg have debian squeeze mirror (50GB), if anyone wants #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf #debianMar 09 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] #Facebook Resistance Workshop at CIS, Bangalore, Apr 02, 2011 http://ur1.ca/3fomi (@hapeeg cc @nsisodiya) #media4d #ICT4DMar 09 22:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Video tutorial on Some of the KDE-EDU apps http://ur1.ca/3g6hr @@stephiedg RT #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 09 22:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] openSUSE 11.4 out today; probably will wait for new laptop, though. if there was a release party in Zürich, i'd go *hint* *hint* ;)Mar 09 22:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to work.Mar 09 22:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @jasonwoof @danielmarti btrfs is being developed as the successor to ext4. ext4 is older, and much more stable right now.Mar 09 22:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love @kaz correcting @bkuhn on the time thing.Mar 09 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Conferința Agora despre virtualizare http://www.agora.ro/conferinta/virtualizare-1 #agora #bucurestiMar 09 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Why, oh why is there an app to send fake SMS to self? More than one! #itsacrazyworldMar 09 22:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDE-EDU Contribution Tasks http://ur1.ca/3g6qo http://ur1.ca/3g6qp http://ur1.ca/3g6qq http://ur1.ca/3g6qr #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 09 22:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @chrisblizzard : It's time. The #Mozilla #Firefox 4 Release Candidate is Now Available. And it's awesome. http://mzl.la/edSLxp #web #freeMar 09 22:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate pentru Windows, Mac și Linux este disponibilă http://is.gd/VgZLMh #romania #software #windows #microsoftMar 09 23:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDE-EDU, You can also contribute by creating Video Tutorial using Spoken Tutorial Project #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 09 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Next Talk - Stephanie Das Gupta - Contributing more India specific content to KDE-edu apps #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 09 23:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LinkedIn Is About To Make Headlines http://tcrn.ch/edxdPN by @mrinaldesaiMar 09 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @zack nice #editorial by Jonas on the work revolving around the delivery of !FreedomBox to the public http://ur1.ca/3g6ta !DebianMar 09 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The year of the #FreedomBox http://dr.jones.dk//fb/year/ #free #software #gnu #linux #debian !romaniaMar 09 23:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @TechCrunch: LinkedIn Is About To Make Headlines http://tcrn.ch/edxdPN by @mrinaldesaiMar 09 23:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @JuniperNetworks : BLOG: New IPv6 blog series from #Juniper http://Ez.com/ipv6 (via @svjn ) #ipv6 #ip6 #netMar 09 23:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Will #Microsoft lose $1.1 billion this year because of tablet woes? Not likely http://is.gd/enHypX #android #software #mobile #wp7Mar 09 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Sitting with @indradg #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 09 23:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sqMar 09 23:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] why the crap am I awake and hacking on a ruby cgi script?Mar 09 23:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] How the new Kernel SRPM distribution impacts CentOS http://is.gd/ROvWmy #redhat #centos #kernel #gnu #linux #software #sourceMar 09 00:28
Ender2070i dont see the big deal behind the kernel srpmMar 09 00:41
Ender2070its still open sourceMar 09 00:41
Ender2070just because they don't wrap it up in nice foil with a ribbon, or on a silver platter doesn't change anythingMar 09 00:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] still believe #Fedora should try to be embedded-friendly. #MeeGo is a try. Then again, we already have !Yocto / #OpenEmbedded and DebianMar 09 00:43
Ender2070during the dark ages, kernel devel was done via tarballs and diff patchesMar 09 00:43
Ender2070while walking to work uphill both ways, in the freezing cold over broken glassMar 09 00:44
Ender2070barefootMar 09 00:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[hisdudeness/@hisdudeness] RT@ !wikileaks : #Ellsberg & #Assange talk (video, 90 minutes) at Frontline http://is.gd/8xJGziMar 09 01:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Canada: online piracy a problem hurting artists, creators and the economy? http://bit.ly/fhvGVJ #C32 #cdnpoliMar 09 01:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Last Discovery flight today. Makes me sad....Mar 09 01:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mapopa: RT @philippem_: #firebird : php5 and firebird pdo driver on rpm distro : http://ur1.ca/3fbqmMar 09 01:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ardrigh: Got #fedora 15 alpha dvd install image via torrent (yes Google, TORRENT), now to crank it up on my desktop :DMar 09 01:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to work.Mar 09 01:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: RT @nettuts Ruby for Newbies: Working with Directories and Files http://bit.ly/hCeNi5Mar 09 01:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms : The ghost, the healer & the arms-sage. http://bit.ly/dEBzBi #Chevenga #weblit #fantasy #worthreadingMar 09 01:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 447 Minis votes for a God. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #Minis #fantasy #worthreadingMar 09 01:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Chestionar Microblogging in educatie: cu @ggrosseck invitam cadre didactice/cercetatori/masteranzi/doctoranzi http://url.ie/a46p - multumim.Mar 09 01:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetmozilla: Meeting Notes from the Mozilla community: #Mozilla Platform Meeting Minutes: 2011-03-08 #firefox http://bit.ly/hp01fkMar 09 01:40
DaemonFCMozilla meeting......Mar 09 01:40
DaemonFCAgenda, discuss possible plans for Firefox 4 Beta 13-50Mar 09 01:41
DaemonFCBe it resolved that nobody has the time to apply one-liner patch to fix ChatzillaMar 09 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetmozilla: Meeting Notes from the #Mozilla community: Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2011-03-08: #Thunderbird http://bit.ly/e1G4oaMar 09 01:41
DaemonFCBe it resolved that OpenGL compositing on Linux is fucked and will stay that wayMar 09 01:42
DaemonFCBe it resolved that we ask SweatyB which one of his other API's to implement that competes with open standardsMar 09 01:42
DaemonFCBe it resolved that we continue to neglect memory leaks, since jemalloc usually cleans up after us anywayMar 09 01:43
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 01:43
DaemonFCBe it resolved that multi-threaded browsers are indeed passeMar 09 01:43
DaemonFChttp://forum.kernelnewbies.org/read.php?7,2399,2399,quote=1Mar 09 01:49
*DaemonFC hit that problemMar 09 01:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux Remote Desktop For Controlling Windows XP / Vista / Server 2003 ( rdesktop ) http://is.gd/5I4z4i #rdp #windows #gnu #linux #softwareMar 09 01:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] I'm sympathetic with those with mental problems. I used to date a chronic depressed. But I can't stand paranoids. Ghaddafi behaves like oneMar 09 01:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Om nom nom nom...Mar 09 01:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Nothing like a new !kernel and akmods-nvidia packet in the morning and not to forget a !reboot to get you started. !Fedora oh and !coffeeMar 09 02:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] New net rules set to make cookies crumble http://is.gd/dkV23M #web #eu #security #cookie #internetMar 09 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: Linux Australia needs to lift its public profile http://bit.ly/igTCce #linux #gnu #australiaMar 09 02:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @ZDNet: #Plaxo moving out of #social #networking... http://zd.net/dWdl0m Me: Bye. Don't bother to write.Mar 09 02:18
oiaohmDaemonFC: Xen magic wall hit you.Mar 09 02:18
DaemonFCwhat's that?Mar 09 02:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Mozilla urges users to update graphics drivers for Firefox 4 http://is.gd/NXQJQX #mozilla #firefox #firefox4 #web #fedora #ubuntu #romaniaMar 09 02:21
oiaohmThat xen bug.  DaemonFCMar 09 02:23
oiaohmIts appeared and disappared may times accross linux verisons.Mar 09 02:23
oiaohmhttps://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/9/23  <, Reason why I pays to check next.   DaemonFCMar 09 02:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Google and #Microsoft offer #Nokia hundreds of millions to abandon #MeeGo, #Symbian http://is.gd/D121Pf #android #wp7Mar 09 02:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] ♺ @gvs: Is this for real, !RedHat restricting GPL use of RHEL !linux? http://tinyurl.com/4htc24gMar 09 02:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just upgraded !google chrome 10 stable. Hangs on loading Facebook. Iceweasel loaded it in a second. First time Chrome has hung for me.Mar 09 02:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sqMar 09 02:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 2011 Day Against DRM http://is.gd/RtbWXH #drm #freedom #audio #video #gnu #linux #microsoft #apple #sony #ipadMar 09 02:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Spuneți NU restricționării accesului la Web, chiar și în aceste cazuri ! http://is.gd/k5qUD2 #romania #internet #freedom #webMar 09 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Simultanology - http://bit.ly/f9oXx3 more thought-provoking stuff from Kevin KellyMar 09 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Adobe releases Flash to !html converter called "Wallaby" http://ur1.ca/3fluoMar 09 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Adobe releases Flash to !html5 converter called "Wallaby" http://ur1.ca/3fluoMar 09 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong" - http://bit.ly/e6sD3m an unpredictable player #copyrightMar 09 03:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Gertrud-Bäumer-Realschule http://b1t.it/ciF #4sqMar 09 03:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More [PPA] http://bit.ly/gw8BkZMar 09 03:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Packt Publishing Believes in Open Source, Donates Over $300K to Projects - http://bit.ly/f2mIA1 kudos #opensource #publishingMar 09 03:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @webupd8: gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More [PPA] http://bit.ly/gw8BkZMar 09 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: RT @instantshift Understanding the Theory of Minimalism in Web Design http://bit.ly/houv4zMar 09 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Free Speech Flag to be removed from Wikipedia?: http://news.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=11/03/08/1459252#commentlistingMar 09 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mapopa: What is worse than propietary flash : obfuscated bloated xml svg http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1256900Mar 09 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @richslxh: #Adobe releases #Flash to #html5 converter called "Wallaby" Better for #linux users http://ur1.ca/3fluoMar 09 03:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @AndreiAvadanei: #Adobe a lansat convertor #Flash-to-HTML5 poreclit Wallaby http://goo.gl/fb/pFibH #gnu #linuxMar 09 03:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] getting ready to hack on libtaskmanager some more. that thing is like an old friend that is always there.Mar 09 03:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh /s/fowls/fouls/ 0.oMar 09 03:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] writing a blog entry like http://ur1.ca/3fcf0 is unnerving as it is an uncomfortable sort of topic and (partly) about othersMar 09 03:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] So, first we get told Pluto isn't a planet, and now they get this one wrong as well >_> #astronomer #fail http://ur1.ca/3fmbhMar 09 03:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mihaibaboi: #Motorola Defy vs concurenţa - Blogul lui Emil! http://bit.ly/h27XSb #mobile #romaniaMar 09 03:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] so it is reassuring that it strikes a chord with some of our friends in GNOME too, e.g.: http://ur1.ca/3fmbjMar 09 03:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @guardiannews: French police find jewels worth £15.4m in Paris sewer http://gu.com/p/2nj3e/tfMar 09 03:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mascateatru: De a ta sărutare, Zaraza, vreau să mor și eu! http://wp.me/peKn5-2oeMar 09 03:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Trip Hawkins, founder of Electronic Arts, says that browsers are the gaming platform of the future: http://ur1.ca/3fmftMar 09 03:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @mossgarden when someone asks me to do something that takes two seconds for them because they don't have time... I don't really want ...Mar 09 03:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @glynmoody: Packt Publishing Believes in Open Source, Donates Over $300K to Projects - http://bit.ly/f2mIA1 kudos #opensource #publishingMar 09 03:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] . @pradeepto Just discussed about Spoken Tutorial project - one can know more about it http://ur1.ca/3fmja #kdeconf #kdeindiaMar 09 03:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] very sad to see Windows laptop connected to Projector at conf #kdeconf #kdeindia, There are many new user who will get wrong impression :(Mar 09 03:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux backup: the complete guide http://is.gd/V1qQZ6 #gnu #linux #backup #securityMar 09 03:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Multi-Core Scaling http://is.gd/M6qHze #gnu #linux #kernel #softwareMar 09 04:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 5 Things OS X Does Better than Linux http://is.gd/ge1zIr #gnu #linux #software #osx #appleMar 09 04:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @dfscot Today is No Smoking Day - shouldn't that be every day?Mar 09 04:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Upgrading PCs http://is.gd/picTu7 #hardware #softwareMar 09 04:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Ten ways Windows fails but Linux does not http://is.gd/wzl7zi #microsoft #windows #office #msofficeMar 09 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Cum te conectezi la calculatoare #Windows de la distanță? Prin #VNC, protocol standardizat, NU Remote Desktop http://www.tightvnc.com/ #msftMar 09 04:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Why !Android phones are targets for Trojans (and how to protect your phone) http://goo.gl/OArEjMar 09 04:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [self RT] Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStIMar 09 04:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Chromium blog: A Mini-Newsletter From Your Google Chrome Security Team http://goo.gl/VjgqTMar 09 04:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @themoovida Working on a #git/#mercurial cheatsheet.comments/corrections welcome http://tinyurl.com/4bzzsneMar 09 04:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDEConf Live Dents/Tweets - http://twitter.com/#search?q=kdeconf%20OR%20kdeindia%20OR%20confkdeinMar 09 04:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #XKCD: Mathematically Annoying Advertising http://xkcd.com/870/Mar 09 04:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] England 'healthier than the US' - http://bbc.in/hvEl1O intriguing #healthMar 09 04:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] IsItOpen[Drug]Data? - http://bit.ly/fbGsoZ nice moves in world of chemistry #opendata #openchemistryMar 09 04:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Android now more profitable than #iOS for well-known game developer - http://bit.ly/eXalMB "Android has become our primary interest"Mar 09 04:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] China to realize online train ticket booking with real-name system - http://bit.ly/hDjud1 whoa... #surveillanceMar 09 04:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Foresight !Linux 2.5.0 Release Candidate Galore! http://goo.gl/Jy9nJMar 09 04:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] First good news of the day. Application to extend a very tight deadline in a big case has been granted :-)Mar 09 04:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStIMar 09 04:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] The Universal Runtime http://goo.gl/pw9XiMar 09 04:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Henri Bergius: Trying out #Cloud9IDE: Developing software in your browser http://goo.gl/F9PFQMar 09 04:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Fedora 15 Alpha Post-Installation Guide for Gnome http://goo.gl/DDjRS "4. Execute as root: yum groupinstall -y kde-desktop" lol :DMar 09 04:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8 !PPA updates: #Parcellite 1.0, #PuddleTag 0.10.0 http://goo.gl/gD9uZMar 09 04:40
sebsebsebAnyone here?Mar 09 04:42
MinceRyesMar 09 04:42
sebsebsebMinceR: I just  read about the name for Ubuntu 11.10Mar 09 04:42
MinceRthe name seems all rightMar 09 04:43
MinceRthe distro itself, on the other hand...Mar 09 04:43
sebsebsebthe name seems, weirdMar 09 04:43
sebsebsebanyway like I expected, they would do Unity 2D by defaultMar 09 04:43
sebsebsebmakes sense, they are going Gnome 3 as well with that one, except for shell by defaultMar 09 04:44
MinceRnow they could boot mono and banshee to make room for QtMar 09 04:44
MinceRand to end the banshee referral code problem :>Mar 09 04:44
sebsebsebheh yeahMar 09 04:44
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway people may as well not use Ubuntu,  as in not use Kubuntu or Lubuntu or XUbuntuMar 09 04:45
sebsebsebif they are going to use UbuntuMar 09 04:45
sebsebsebunless they use UnityMar 09 04:45
sebsebsebthat's what I think, since yep other  distro's :)Mar 09 04:45
MinceRthey might as well use debian or fedora or whateverMar 09 04:45
sebsebsebyep if going to use KDE or XFCE or LXDE, may as well use some other distro :)Mar 09 04:45
oiaohmMinceR: remember they have also made the mistake under my countries laws with rythombox.Mar 09 04:45
MinceRoiaohm: what did they do?Mar 09 04:46
sebsebseboiaohm: oh?Mar 09 04:46
oiaohmAltered the stores.  MinceRMar 09 04:46
MinceRwhat australian law prohibits it?Mar 09 04:46
MinceR(just in general terms, no need for exact ID :> )Mar 09 04:46
oiaohmFalls under false representation.Mar 09 04:47
MinceRhow?Mar 09 04:47
oiaohmPrograms look a 100 percent the same even that the ID has been change.Mar 09 04:47
oiaohmIe so customer could presume they are funding gnome when in fact the money is going 75 percent to ubuntu and 25 percent to gnome.Mar 09 04:48
MinceRicMar 09 04:48
oiaohmAlso can get confusing for customer if banshee or rythombox decided to directly release a version for ubuntuMar 09 04:48
oiaohmSince the 2 programs would look the same but infact have different outcomes.Mar 09 04:49
oiaohmBasically there are very good reason why what Ubuntu just did is illegal in many countries.  MinceRMar 09 04:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Thanks for the contagion (NOT) now we're both stuck at home :) ♺ @lilbernie: Suffering from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaryngitisMar 09 04:50
MinceRicMar 09 04:50
oiaohmBasically to be legal ubuntu did not alter enough.  MinceRMar 09 04:51
oiaohmA simple (Ubuntu) after amazon store entry would have been enough so user could see the difference.Mar 09 04:52
oiaohmTrickerly to get money is not tollerated under most countries laws.Mar 09 04:52
MinceRcan anyone other than the banshee devs sue for that in this case, though?Mar 09 04:53
sebsebsebMinceR: Mint is pretty wow now days reallyMar 09 04:54
sebsebsebMinceR: takes what is good from Ubuntu, does added user friendly, and looks better by default :)Mar 09 04:54
MinceRit's still either ubuntu or a rolling release thoughMar 09 04:54
sebsebseband of course that version based directly on Debian for a while now as wellMar 09 04:54
sebsebsebMinceR: Gnome 3 for next MintMar 09 04:55
sebsebsebnot shell or unity thoughMar 09 04:55
sebsebsebby defaultMar 09 04:55
sebsebseb,but can run unity and shell anyway with Mint next one, so :dMar 09 04:55
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway Aprl is coming soon,  Kubuntu 9.10 runs out of support, you could try and maintain yourself, or switch distro :DMar 09 04:55
sebsebsebI hear Mandriva  and PC Linux OS calling you to try them, but also whatever the next version of Mageia is saying that you should maybe try it, even though it's still developmentMar 09 04:56
MinceRyes, i knowMar 09 04:56
sebsebsebI meant above, the version of Mageia at the time, whatever the latest is thenMar 09 04:57
sebsebsebwhichever development version it is then, alpha 3 or something I guessMar 09 04:57
MinceRdoesn't mageia obsolete mandriva?Mar 09 04:57
sebsebsebfirst Mageia will be very similar to Mandriva,  since it's basically just a re branded Mandriva pretty muchMar 09 04:57
sebsebsebthen after that one, they should start doing their own thing quite a bit moreMar 09 04:58
oiaohmMinceR: Any consumer can sue. Under fair trading(consumer law breach)Mar 09 05:01
oiaohmAnd worst nightmare is anyone providing it is on the table to pay for it.Mar 09 05:01
sebsebsebhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/17800/google_and_microsoft_offer_nokia_hundreds_of_millions_to_abandon_meego_symbianMar 09 05:02
sebsebsebsays it's from February thoughMar 09 05:02
oiaohmMinceR: Banshee trademark owns to Novell and Novell could go Ubuntu for miss use of trademark and be seeking to take ubuntu trademarks as settlement to prevent future infringments.Mar 09 05:03
sebsebseboiaohm: MinceR hopefuly Canonical mess Ubuntu up enough soon, in a wayMar 09 05:03
sebsebsebthen off laods of poeple go to other distro's :DMar 09 05:04
sebsebsebpeopleMar 09 05:04
MinceR:>Mar 09 05:04
sebsebsebanyway the most popular software tend to be good reallyMar 09 05:04
sebsebsebthe industry standards you knowMar 09 05:04
MinceRoiaohm: novell won't do it though, nor will any other of the monomaniacsMar 09 05:04
sebsebsebalso software that is trying to go main streame, going by Ubuntu, well yep it becomes pretty bad reallyMar 09 05:04
oiaohmMinceR: Novell new ownerMar 09 05:05
oiaohmMinceR: we have a wild card.Mar 09 05:05
MinceRattackmate? i think that's just more of the sameMar 09 05:05
sebsebsebuh aboveMar 09 05:05
sebsebsebthat was meant to sayMar 09 05:05
sebsebsebthe most popular software does not tend to be good reallyMar 09 05:05
sebsebsebor not that goodMar 09 05:05
sebsebsebWindowsMar 09 05:05
sebsebsebPhotoshopMar 09 05:05
sebsebsebMicrosoft OfficeMar 09 05:05
sebsebsebMac OS XMar 09 05:05
oiaohmattackmate is a normally at take strip and proft company.   MinceRMar 09 05:05
sebsebsebto name someMar 09 05:05
MinceRicMar 09 05:05
MinceRwell, they could blackmail m$ for thisMar 09 05:06
MinceRthat's a good outcome too, i guessMar 09 05:06
oiaohmMinceR: so getting hands on ubuntu would suit there mod of operation.Mar 09 05:06
sebsebsebIphoneMar 09 05:06
sebsebsebPlaystation 3?Mar 09 05:06
sebsebsebBluerayMar 09 05:06
sebsebseb?Mar 09 05:06
oiaohmMinceR: also Redhat and Novell have trademark wared before.Mar 09 05:06
MinceRps3 was pretty much crippled since it was introducedMar 09 05:06
oiaohmMinceR: Both walked away with a respect for trademarks and a complete knowledge how to use them.Mar 09 05:07
sebsebsebexamples of software not that isn't that good, but is trying to go main strame, recent versions of Ubuntu, and I guess Windows Phone 7 as wellMar 09 05:07
sebsebsebnow, not, not above, stupid typosMar 09 05:07
sebsebsebMinceR: Ubuntu used to be so greatMar 09 05:07
oiaohmMinceR: Like including the fact you don't threat a person with trademark instead you just take them to court.Mar 09 05:07
sebsebsebMinceR: and then Canonical started messing it upMar 09 05:08
sebsebsebtrying to go main streameMar 09 05:08
oiaohmMinceR: And the point Novell will act is just after the release of 11.04Mar 09 05:08
oiaohmMinceR: If they are going to.Mar 09 05:08
oiaohmMinceR: And for consumer law to be applied also has to wait until the release of 11.04Mar 09 05:09
MinceR:>Mar 09 05:12
oiaohmWhat Canonical is trying to be done could have been done perfectly legally.Mar 09 05:15
oiaohmIts not hard.Mar 09 05:15
oiaohmDon't create something that could decieve someone.  Is that a hard point of view.Mar 09 05:15
oiaohmPersonally I would have just create 2 amazon store entries.Mar 09 05:16
oiaohmone with (Gnome) and one with (Ubuntu) with the different id behind it.Mar 09 05:16
oiaohmAnd left it to end users to choose who they were going to pay.Mar 09 05:16
oiaohmWait that breaks ubuntu idea of allowing users to have free will.Mar 09 05:17
MinceRubuntu has that idea?Mar 09 05:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jerezim Les gouvernements européens unis contre la société du savoir ? http://ur1.ca/3fo3j #IPRED #ACTA #Partage #EUMar 09 05:18
MinceRi thought they adopted the crApple "users are idiots and need to be controlled and restricted at every step" ideaMar 09 05:18
oiaohmIe ubuntu free will incompadible.Mar 09 05:22
MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/fzkvf/thats_it_were_quitting_no_more_quit_command_for/c1ju9x9Mar 09 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] An AMG CLS 63??? 6.3 l??? Seriously? This guy *has* to be a drug dealer.... WTFMar 09 05:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Nicu Buculei: Breaking News - !Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! Now with desktop icons! http://goo.gl/vcKEdMar 09 05:43
sebsebsebMinceR: what's the lancelot thingMar 09 05:44
sebsebsebwith this new name, I don't understand itMar 09 05:44
MinceRlancelot has a new name?Mar 09 05:44
sebsebsebnoMar 09 05:44
sebsebsebto do with this new Ubuntu code nameMar 09 05:44
sebsebsebsomeone did the Lancelot thing in a channel, but from the blog post:Mar 09 05:45
sebsebsebfrom the blog comments:Mar 09 05:45
sebsebsebfor exampleMar 09 05:45
sebsebsebthis:Mar 09 05:45
sebsebsebOh dear god. Prepare for people misspelling “Oneiric” as “Onieric”. Fiesty^WFeisty was bad enough :-( .Mar 09 05:45
sebsebsebThat being said, I actually like the name; it has a nice ring to it. It also reminds me of Lancelot.Mar 09 05:45
sebsebsebJust remember: I before E, except after C, or the name of an Ubuntu release.Mar 09 05:45
sebsebsebMinceR: Can you explain that to me? ^Mar 09 05:46
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MinceRi can'tMar 09 05:46
MinceRi don't know what "oneiric" has to do with "lancelot"Mar 09 05:46
sebsebsebhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/beyond-natty-the-next-version-of-ubuntu-linux/8418Mar 09 05:46
sebsebsebthen I went to the blog post about it later, but first said here I had read about it, by the wayMar 09 05:47
sebsebsebI Know not relivent, but anywayMar 09 05:47
MinceRother than that they're both wordsMar 09 05:47
sebsebsebhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/beyond-natty-the-next-version-of-ubuntu-linux/8418Mar 09 05:47
sebsebsebanyway Ubuntu hype :(Mar 09 05:47
sebsebsebCOME ON OTHER DISTRO'S GIVE UBUNTU SOME NICE PROPER COMPETITION!Mar 09 05:47
sebsebsebOTHER DISTRO'S YAY OTHER DISTRO'S YAY, GO ON, GO ON, GO ON, YES GO ON,  PROPER COMPETITION FOR UBUNTU YES PLEASE, WE SHOUT/CHANT :dMar 09 05:48
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway Canonical has been trying to make Ubuntu go main streame since well 9.04 reallyMar 09 05:48
sebsebsebwhen they got a design teamMar 09 05:48
sebsebseband 9.04 is when it started going badMar 09 05:49
sebsebsebproperly bad, just little stuff for 9.04 and 9.10, and then AH! for 10.04 and so on from there, as I have said beforeMar 09 05:49
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway I guess that's what happens to a lot of tech, it tries to go main streame, and then it sucksMar 09 05:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 is deemphasizing user customization, or theming in favour of a 'just works' and 'slick out of the box' approach http://goo.gl/59Ey1Mar 09 05:50
sebsebseband most main streame software does suck reallyMar 09 05:50
MinceRmaybe they thought they need to make another macos to go mainstreadMar 09 05:50
sebsebsebyep seems soMar 09 05:50
MinceRthen again, with all that crApple fanboyism going on in there it's not so surprisingMar 09 05:50
MinceRwith all the drooling that "omg omg omg crApple does design so well"Mar 09 05:50
sebsebsebthey seem to think they need to make something like OS X to go main streameMar 09 05:50
MinceR(no they don't, they suck at it)Mar 09 05:50
sebsebseb,but then again, going by the omgubuntu site, a lot of the slightly more expereinced Ubuntu users, like customising and docks and so on, so no wonderMar 09 05:50
MinceR(i mean, all that fanboyism/drooling seems to be going on _inside_ the company)Mar 09 05:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !GNOME 3 doesn't want to confuse users... well, with options: http://goo.gl/gMJuOMar 09 05:51
sebsebsebwell yeah, both the company  and the UBuntu Community Members community as in those with membership, well loads of those will be fan boys or fan girlsMar 09 05:51
sebsebseband some of them really won't like it, if another distro get's recommended to someone insteadMar 09 05:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 'Global warming' vs. 'climate change': terminology matters - http://bit.ly/g4QV68 not too surprising, perhapsMar 09 05:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin's Chronicles: Unhappy with !GNOME 3? Just ditch it! http://goo.gl/w8KskMar 09 05:53
sebsebsebMinceR: hmm some slightly bad Gnome 3 stuff coming in on dents just now hmmMar 09 05:55
sebsebsebGnome Shell is good reallyMar 09 05:55
sebsebsebok it's differnet here and there, and will lack certain things from GNOME 2, BUTMar 09 05:55
sebsebsebwell 3.2 should be pretty good :)Mar 09 05:55
sebsebsebpeople just need to give it some time to improve a bit more after the first stable release I thinkMar 09 05:55
sebsebseba bit like KDE 4.0 reallyMar 09 05:56
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway have you noticed by going online,  you know comments to Linux stuff on sites and so on, a lot of idiots?Mar 09 05:56
oiaohmKDE 4.0 had a reason to be doggy.Mar 09 05:56
oiaohmComplete core ripped out and redone.Mar 09 05:56
sebsebseboiaohm: first stable versino of Gnome Shell is really a test as wellMar 09 05:56
sebsebseboiaohm: for examplle the no maximise and minimise buttons, that's a testMar 09 05:56
sebsebsebthey will add that back for 3.2  with good enough reasonMar 09 05:57
oiaohmGnome shell is still built on top of a known core.Mar 09 05:57
sebsebseboiaohm: right well  Gnome Shell is comopletly diffenret to Gnome 2 as wellMar 09 05:57
sebsebsebalso Gnome 3 is done with GTK 3 and so onMar 09 05:57
oiaohmIts more of a KDE 2.0 to KDE 3.0Mar 09 05:57
oiaohmNot a KDE 4.0 event.Mar 09 05:58
oiaohmBut even so there was no need to remove max and min buttions without leaving an option to turn them back on.Mar 09 05:58
oiaohmHmm does gnome have a on all desktops button?Mar 09 05:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stupid #EU #cookie law will hand the advantage to the US, kill our #startups stone dead - http://bit.ly/gPZeBi maladroitMar 09 06:00
sebsebseboiaohm: minimise doesn't really go into the design of Gnome Shell apparnatlyMar 09 06:01
sebsebseband maximise can be done in other waysMar 09 06:01
sebsebsebalso you can still minimizse, and maximise,  just no buttonMar 09 06:01
MinceRsebsebseb: gnome shell has no minimize and has maximize by dragging upwards, so it's stupidMar 09 06:02
sebsebsebone people are mainly ignoring though is the removing of the proper way to shut downMar 09 06:02
sebsebsebanyway maybe today not sure yet, but I should try out very latest GNome Shell really from a DVD/CDMar 09 06:02
sebsebsebalso the whiners can use Gnome 2 for quite a long while yet really :)Mar 09 06:03
sebsebsebit will be another year or so before most distro's that provide it now, no longer do I guessMar 09 06:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ECJ sinks plans for unified European #patent court - http://bit.ly/gdmqtR which is good: such a court would be disaster for #opensourceMar 09 06:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @qwghlm @glynmoody BBC article it's based on is FUD from the IAB, no-one at the BBC or TC has actually read law by the looks of thingsMar 09 06:05
sebsebsebGoing by the screenshot, an Ubuntu user wrote this, well no suprise then heh heh. http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2011/03/unhappy-with-gnome-3-just-ditch-it.htmlMar 09 06:06
sebsebsebhttp://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2011/03/unhappy-with-gnome-3-just-ditch-it.htmlMar 09 06:06
sebsebsebalso telling people to ditch Gnome 3, before it's even released in final, hmmMar 09 06:06
sebsebsebwell that right there, sounds like a Ubuntu user type of thing to do heh hehMar 09 06:07
oiaohmMasive change and the linux world is never compadible.Mar 09 06:08
sebsebseboh MinceR went away?Mar 09 06:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Breaking: #Zynga files for trademark on the word “Ville” in Europe - http://bit.ly/fGyAC9 that'll go down well in #franceMar 09 06:10
sebsebseboiaohm: don't you mean compatible ?Mar 09 06:10
oiaohmsebsebseb: Yes I was going after compatibleMar 09 06:11
sebsebseboiaohm: oh, but let's see, many Ubuntu users will whine about Gnome Shell yes, but how many about Ubuntu, probably not as many of them. Oh, but why?  Ah yes, since their beloved Canonical started Unity, I guess.  Plus it's got their social networking junk features in it, and dock type thing, and junk like that, hmm.Mar 09 06:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Beverage Companies Go Sustainable With Biodegradable Plastics, Ramped Up Recycling - http://tcrn.ch/huCLTY long overdue - & what about bags?Mar 09 06:11
sebsebsebalso I think many of them haven't even tried,  the version of Gnome Shell without the minimisie and maximise, before they start commenting on the web about itMar 09 06:12
oiaohmsebsebseb: More and more will get upset.Mar 09 06:12
sebsebsebwhateveverMar 09 06:12
sebsebsebthey can use UnityMar 09 06:12
sebsebsebGnome 2 for longerMar 09 06:12
sebsebsebXFCE, LXDE, and so onMar 09 06:12
oiaohmNo with ubuntu as a whole.Mar 09 06:12
sebsebsebif they don't like itMar 09 06:12
oiaohmUbuntu is very quickly turning into the next windows.Mar 09 06:13
sebsebseboiaohm: and yes more and more people getting annoyeed with Ubuntu now, and who were quite invovled with it :)Mar 09 06:13
sebsebseblike Windows, but looks like Mac OS X, you mean?Mar 09 06:13
oiaohmDid not Windows copy Mac?Mar 09 06:13
sebsebsebwell in some ways I guess Vista is like a Mac and Windows 7Mar 09 06:13
oiaohmThere was a huge court case about in  1995Mar 09 06:14
oiaohmOver the recycle bin vs trash and so on.Mar 09 06:14
sebsebsebmaybe, not sureMar 09 06:14
oiaohmThere was.Mar 09 06:14
sebsebsebhowever what they say is that Apple copied XerroxMar 09 06:14
sebsebsebor that's  when it comes to the buttons on the left or whateverMar 09 06:14
oiaohmApple did not copy XeroxMar 09 06:14
oiaohmApple used Xerox code base.Mar 09 06:14
sebsebseboiaohm: anyway for me Ubuntu is becoming indeed like Windows,  I mean where,  I will want to have some sort of idea about what's going on with itMar 09 06:15
oiaohmApple magically jumping from command line to graphical based.Mar 09 06:15
sebsebsebit's just Ubuntu is developed much faster, and much more openly so wellMar 09 06:15
oiaohmAll lines up when Xerox development center got aquired by apple.Mar 09 06:15
sebsebsebthere's nearly always some sort of relivent Ubuntu news, when it comes to what is going onMar 09 06:15
sebsebsebwhere as with Windows well no, since  development is more quite, and much slowerMar 09 06:15
oiaohmUbuntu development will slow.Mar 09 06:16
oiaohmUbuntu has really not thought threw the ammount of development time Unity is going to eat up.Mar 09 06:16
sebsebsebwell Unity 2D already being worked on as wellMar 09 06:16
sebsebseband that will be in 11.10Mar 09 06:16
oiaohmUbuntu resources are not unlimited.Mar 09 06:17
oiaohmAt some point they will find there limit.Mar 09 06:17
sebsebsebif enough Ubuntu users don't like Unity, well they got a problemMar 09 06:17
oiaohmThey have todo all the bug fixing on Unity.Mar 09 06:17
sebsebsebanyway I used to look forward to Ubuntu releases, but wellMar 09 06:17
oiaohmNo other distribution is sharing the workload.Mar 09 06:17
sebsebsebnot so much anymoreMar 09 06:18
oiaohmFedora stopped opensuse stoppedMar 09 06:18
oiaohmFor the simple reason Ubuntu upstream was being jerks taking patches.Mar 09 06:18
sebsebsebnoMar 09 06:18
sebsebsebthere was two blog posts about thatMar 09 06:18
sebsebsebfrom the Fedora guy, and from the OpenSuse guyMar 09 06:18
sebsebseband a link on pcworld that links to bothMar 09 06:18
oiaohmRead them.Mar 09 06:19
sebsebsebthey were only providing optionally, and they wanted something accepted upstream that wasn't yet, or the FEdora guy anywayMar 09 06:19
sebsebsebhe wanted it provided in the main Fedora repos, but  something needed accepting upstream firstMar 09 06:19
oiaohmI need to find the fedora mailing list post.Mar 09 06:19
sebsebseboiaohm: anyway Mint 11 the Ubuntu based version, yep Gnome 3 by default, with well  a similar look to current Mint, but that one can run Unity, and also Gnome Shell so :DMar 09 06:20
sebsebsebwell I guess Mint 11 can run Unity and Gnome ShellMar 09 06:20
oiaohmAlso the fun thing is gcc is just going to keep on getting more strict.Mar 09 06:20
sebsebsebI am slightly tempted to maybe put Mint 11 on here for real, for a while, you know pshyicall install, so I can switch between Unity and Gnome Shell, and well it's similar old lookMar 09 06:20
sebsebsebin a distro that looks good and all thatMar 09 06:21
sebsebseband yep has Synatpic of course as well, and yeah :)Mar 09 06:21
sebsebsebnot sure yetMar 09 06:21
sebsebsebplus I got a strange issue here in PC Linux OSMar 09 06:21
sebsebsebtwo evenMar 09 06:21
sebsebsebmaybe upgrading to KDE 4.6.1 will help a bit thoughMar 09 06:21
sebsebsebgcc is going to get more strict?Mar 09 06:21
nisshhsebsebseb, gcc 4.6 is more strict than 4.4Mar 09 06:23
nisshhthus, many programs have to be modified for itMar 09 06:24
nisshhsince C programmers are lazy and dont care about deprecation or warnings :)Mar 09 06:24
sebsebsebnisshh: hmm okMar 09 06:25
oiaohmnisshh: each gcc works in progression.Mar 09 06:25
oiaohmgcc 4.0 made many bad things warnings.Mar 09 06:25
nisshhoiaohm, yes, of course, thats one reason im not a C coder :)Mar 09 06:25
sebsebsebnisshh: So want some Oneirc Ocelot?Mar 09 06:25
oiaohmgcc 4.2 made many of those things errors with flags to over ride.Mar 09 06:25
oiaohmgcc 4.4 made many of those bad things not build.Mar 09 06:26
nisshhsebsebseb, eh, no thanks, ill just stick to calling it ubuntu :)Mar 09 06:26
oiaohmIs just that cycle extending.Mar 09 06:26
nisshhoiaohm, i have recently jumped on the perl bandwagonMar 09 06:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Metagrobolised, gruntulous noses - http://bit.ly/ey9gJY words, words, words #languageMar 09 06:26
oiaohmReally I am a C coder nisshhMar 09 06:26
nisshhperl is a very nice languageMar 09 06:26
sebsebsebnisshh: Ubuntu, maybe it should be called Unity insteadMar 09 06:26
oiaohmgcc really does not annoy me.Mar 09 06:27
nisshhoiaohm, coolMar 09 06:27
sebsebsebnisshh: after all that's what Ubuntu is going to be now really, UnityMar 09 06:27
nisshhoh it doesnt really annoy me oiaohm, its just C in general is not to my tasteMar 09 06:27
sebsebsebnisshh: yeah screw the backend, let's call it all Unity now, after all hey, that's what the average user only really cares about with them knowing they do anyway,  you know a good user interfaceMar 09 06:27
sebsebsebwell yeah I mean, the average user only really cares about the user interface mainlyMar 09 06:27
sebsebsebthey are ignorant to OS backendsMar 09 06:27
nisshhsebsebseb, if that :)Mar 09 06:28
oiaohmBecause I use to run static analysis over my programs anyhow nisshhMar 09 06:28
nisshhsebsebseb, most users dont even care about the UIMar 09 06:28
sebsebsebthey just want a user interface for the apps they want to run, for quite a lot of them, nearly any interface is good enough reallyMar 09 06:28
sebsebsebGnome 2Mar 09 06:28
sebsebsebKDEMar 09 06:28
sebsebsebWindows, Mac OS XMar 09 06:28
oiaohmWhat gcc is finding now my other tools have been screaming at me for a while. nisshhMar 09 06:28
sebsebsebLXDE, XFCEMar 09 06:28
sebsebsebetcMar 09 06:28
sebsebsebnisshh: exactlyMar 09 06:28
nisshhoiaohm, yeahMar 09 06:28
sebsebsebnisshh: so nearly any interface is good enough for them, like I was just sayingMar 09 06:28
sebsebsebas long as they can use the programs they want to runMar 09 06:28
nisshhsebsebseb, they want it to Just WorkMar 09 06:29
sebsebsebnisshh: yepMar 09 06:29
sebsebsebnisshh: and my brothers for example, only really want to use Firefox most of the time, so yep  other computer with KDE and Gnome 2, and the old preview of Gnome Shell in Mandriva 2010.2 and probably for quite a whileMar 09 06:29
sebsebsebI may not bother upgrading to Mandriva 2011 this year on that oneMar 09 06:29
sebsebsebor Mageia 1 in the summer eitherMar 09 06:29
sebsebsebnisshh: so yeahMar 09 06:29
sebsebsebnisshh: and my brothers got Linux Mint 9 based on Ubuntu 10.04 on his lap top since Jan, and I think I realy did make a good distro choice thereMar 09 06:30
sebsebsebit's doing auto log in as well, even though I installed other things as well, but he just wants to use FIrefox most of the time anyway like I was sayingMar 09 06:30
oiaohmhttp://ctuning.org/wiki/index.php?title=CTools:CTuningCC   A commonly unknown feature you can link into gccMar 09 06:31
sebsebsebnisshh: and Canonical think the average user will like Unity, hmm  well yes and no to that depending on who they are, but Unity is a fancy interface as well realy, average user can get by with something basic like Windows or Mac OS X,  so yeah Gnome 2 or KDE for exampleMar 09 06:31
nisshhsebsebseb, yeah, like my bro, he likes minimalist stuff, so he really likes Linux and he also does mechatronics (engineering + electronics = robotics) so he likes how easy it is to write code on linux as wellMar 09 06:31
sebsebseband I showed my little brother the old Gnome Shell preview a few times or whatever nowMar 09 06:32
oiaohmnisshh: Linux is predictable.Mar 09 06:32
sebsebseband he didn't seem interested at all reallyMar 09 06:32
oiaohmIf you screw something up you can always trace it to you.Mar 09 06:32
nisshhoiaohm, in some ways, yesMar 09 06:32
oiaohmWindows all the blackbox drivers and all the black box parts.Mar 09 06:32
oiaohmIs it your code or theres.Mar 09 06:33
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sebsebsebnisshh: also  removing features they are really used to, such as maximise and minimise like Gnome Shell has done now,  probably isn't really the best idea for these users, even if they aren't really needed the buttons for thatMar 09 06:33
sebsebsebnisshh: also moving to the left in that odd order which is what happended when Ubuntu 10.04  was in development, yep not a good idea for the average userMar 09 06:33
sebsebsebthen when I upgraded the Ubuntu 9.10 install that was on that computer to 10.04, for some reason it changed the buttons on my brother's account to the left, even though the old brown human theme :) the version before 9.10Mar 09 06:34
sebsebseband he basically asked why they were on the left, I explained why, and he asked me to change backMar 09 06:34
nisshhsebsebseb, yeah, although for someone who has never used a computer before, i would say it would not be bad in that use caseMar 09 06:34
nisshhyeahMar 09 06:34
sebsebsebfor someoen who hasn't used a computer before, sure Gnome Shell will be great, but pretty much nearly any other interface would be as well reallyMar 09 06:34
sebsebsebalso for those of us who can accept change, good stuff :)Mar 09 06:35
nisshhsebsebseb, the thing i think is bad is the inconsistency, with other themes, since they all switch the buttons backMar 09 06:35
sebsebsebanyway most of the whineing has been about the maximise and minimise being removed, well the buttons for, can still do it in other waysMar 09 06:35
sebsebsebhowever shut down was removed from the menu on top right or whatever as welll, and I haven't seen complaining about that hmm or hardly anyMar 09 06:35
sebsebsebwell I saw a little about that, but not much at all hmmMar 09 06:35
sebsebsebthat's important as well really have a shut down where it should be :)Mar 09 06:36
oiaohmsebsebseb: Gnome shell vs KDE netbookMar 09 06:36
sebsebsebon the other hand, take my little brother for example, he would just press the power button on the computer useually,  and switch off like thatMar 09 06:36
sebsebsebwhich is something that annoyeed me, when I had Ubuntu 10.04 on there, and set up to use the old Gnome icons :)Mar 09 06:36
nisshhsebsebseb, tbh, i am neither for nor against GNOME removing the buttons, since a) i never used them, i used the keyboard and b) it would affect people from windows and macMar 09 06:36
sebsebsebwhich is one thing I liked about Ubuntu 10.04,  for whatever reason/s it would show the old Gnome icons, instead of the new ones, that really it was meant to show since upstreamMar 09 06:37
nisshhyeahMar 09 06:37
oiaohmhttp://www.kde.org/workspaces/plasmanetbook/   << This is kde mininal interface.Mar 09 06:37
sebsebsebI used to really like the look of the old log out button, and some extent shut down even, and lock screen was ok,  I know this sounds geekey, but hey whatever I am a computer geek or whatever so :DMar 09 06:37
nisshhsebsebseb, do you also happen to know if libunity has bindings for other languages?Mar 09 06:37
sebsebseband I strongly disliked the new buttons for Gnome 3 and Gnome Shell,  for shutdown, and to some extent maybe lock screenMar 09 06:38
sebsebsebin fact I still think this new shut down icon is a joke really, butMar 09 06:38
sebsebsebwell I am more used to it nowMar 09 06:38
sebsebsebhmm that's a point Gnome Shell won't show this ugly joke shut down icon I guess then :D hmmMar 09 06:38
nisshhsebsebseb, what does the new shutdown icon look like?Mar 09 06:38
sebsebsebeven so though there should be shut down as part of the Gnome Shell interfaceMar 09 06:38
sebsebsebnisshh: you can see it in Mar 09 06:38
sebsebsebUbuntuMar 09 06:39
sebsebseb10.10Mar 09 06:39
sebsebsebor 11.04 even with Gnome 2 and if you set it up to show the icons in the system menu oh and removeMar 09 06:39
sebsebsebtheir horrible,  patch on the top rightMar 09 06:39
nisshhyah'Mar 09 06:39
sebsebsebthe me menu being linked to the power management or whateverMar 09 06:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @psquid @gomerx The hardest thing I have to do today is wake up, and I have done it. Win!Mar 09 06:40
sebsebsebnisshh: uh I am behind on identica :(Mar 09 06:40
nisshhsebsebseb, i personally never use the menu's in the top right, since i do nearly everything in the terminal nowMar 09 06:40
sebsebsebI wanted to catch up on dents, but I got a problemMar 09 06:40
sebsebsebnisshh: ok so did you remove those horrible patchs on top right then? :)Mar 09 06:40
nisshhi even shutdown/reboot from the command lineMar 09 06:40
nisshhno i didntMar 09 06:40
nisshhi just left them thereMar 09 06:40
sebsebsebnisshh: remove it thenMar 09 06:40
nisshhi figured if i removed themMar 09 06:40
sebsebsebnisshh: and go to gconf-editor and do the menus have icons optionMar 09 06:40
nisshhi would break somethingMar 09 06:40
sebsebsebin interface I think it isMar 09 06:41
sebsebsebthen you can see what I am on about :DMar 09 06:41
oiaohmUbuntu is even starting to cut the menus out of applications and place them like apple.Mar 09 06:41
nisshhsebsebseb, im talking about on 10.10 not Unity :)Mar 09 06:41
sebsebsebnisshh: if you remove what I am telling you to remove, it removes those horrible Gnome patches to Ubuntu :)Mar 09 06:41
sebsebseband things go like beforeMar 09 06:41
sebsebseband I am talking about 10.10 right now as wellMar 09 06:41
sebsebsebGnome 2 in 10.10Mar 09 06:41
oiaohmThe very thing I cannot stand about apple is that the menu is always on the top of screen.Mar 09 06:41
nisshhoiaohm, good thing i barely use them thenMar 09 06:41
sebsebsebnisshh: also you know that lame, do you really want to shut down or re boot feature?Mar 09 06:42
sebsebsebnisshh: remove the patches I am on about, and get the nice auto shut down feature back :)Mar 09 06:42
nisshhsebsebseb, i have NO idea what your on about :)Mar 09 06:42
sebsebsebnisshh: ok in Ubuntu 10.10Mar 09 06:42
sebsebsebwith Gnome 2Mar 09 06:42
sebsebsebnisshh: remove the me menu :)Mar 09 06:42
sebsebsebstep 1Mar 09 06:42
sebsebsebnisshh: you asked me how to see these new GNome icons, and I am telling you how :DMar 09 06:43
sebsebsebthen there's an option in gconf-editor for adding icons back :)  in the system menuMar 09 06:43
nisshhsebsebseb, i was hoping for more of a screenshot, i hate screwing with the UI, its boring :)Mar 09 06:44
sebsebsebnisshh: excusesMar 09 06:44
nisshhno, i swear, i would rather code in C# than do crap with the me menuMar 09 06:44
nisshh:)Mar 09 06:44
*sebsebseb thinks nisshh is sounding like a noob, no offence, but uhmm you sound a bit like, OH NO, if I remove this , my whole Ubuntu may mess upMar 09 06:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sqMar 09 06:45
sebsebsebnisshh: dude what I want you to do, takes about a minuteMar 09 06:45
nisshhsebsebseb, no, im not afraid of messing it up, i honestly dont care about the GUI enough to fiddle with it\Mar 09 06:45
oiaohmnisshh: So just move distribution instead?Mar 09 06:45
nisshhwhat?Mar 09 06:46
nisshhohMar 09 06:46
nisshhoiaohm, seriously thinking about it :)Mar 09 06:46
nisshhoiaohm, i have taken a liking to Arch tbhMar 09 06:46
sebsebseboiaohm: he's an Ubuntu Community Member, but doesn't seem to be 100% happy being one anymore :)Mar 09 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Universal plug and play (UPnP) is used to realize the intellectual interconnection." - from the Huawei E5 Settings. #notkidding #engrishMar 09 06:46
*sebsebseb would be ashamed if he was an Ubuntu Community Member since the current direction of Ubuntu, but well 1. I am not going to apply to be one, 2. unlikely I would become one if I didMar 09 06:46
oiaohmI went threw the 8 OS installed at once stage.Mar 09 06:47
oiaohmAt about 10 years into using Linux.Mar 09 06:47
sebsebseboiaohm: 8 OS ?Mar 09 06:47
nisshhah yesMar 09 06:47
nisshhoiaohm, at one point last year, i had gentoo, arch, ubuntu and debian installed on one hard driveMar 09 06:47
nisshhsince then i havent really tried other distro'sMar 09 06:48
sebsebsebnisshh: Mandriva,  PC Linux OSMar 09 06:48
oiaohmWindows BSD freedos BeOS quite a few others that a non existant nowMar 09 06:48
sebsebsebnisshh: maybe even make your own distro based on Unity Linux :dMar 09 06:48
sebsebsebwell using Unity LinuxMar 09 06:48
nisshhsebsebseb, heh, no thanksMar 09 06:48
sebsebsebUnity Linux was based on Mandriva, can be used as a distro, but is really more of a distro builderMar 09 06:48
oiaohmIts a natural state of Linux world development.Mar 09 06:48
sebsebsebmeant to make making remasters really easyMar 09 06:48
oiaohmYou get that I want better and going searching.  Mar 09 06:49
nisshhoiaohm, all i have open at the moment is a terminal and firefoxMar 09 06:49
sebsebsebnisshh: plus nice people from that community, who seem to know quite a lot about LinuxMar 09 06:49
nisshhits all i have open most of the timeMar 09 06:49
sebsebsebnisshh: Linux Mint you could go forMar 09 06:49
sebsebseb:DMar 09 06:49
nisshhsebsebseb, get fucked :)Mar 09 06:49
nisshhLM's for noobsMar 09 06:49
oiaohmI stick more in the enterprise classes of stuff.Mar 09 06:49
nisshhoiaohm, what do you use on your main PC?Mar 09 06:50
oiaohmCurrently Debian that I installed clean 15 years ago and have just migrated between machines ever since.Mar 09 06:50
oiaohmAnd updated along the way.Mar 09 06:50
nisshhso you mostly run debian?Mar 09 06:50
oiaohmI normally have openvz kernel loaded.Mar 09 06:51
oiaohmSo I can have server testing setups for scientific linux and centosMar 09 06:51
nisshhniceMar 09 06:52
oiaohmAt the moment I have not done anything embed in a while so I don't have a openembed laying around.Mar 09 06:52
sebsebsebnisshh: uhmm well heh heh your calling Linux Mint for noobs, which it is really sure, but so is Ubuntu, that's really for noobsMar 09 06:52
nisshhoiaohm, i have the predicament where i really like apt and .debs and such, but i want a distro like Arch :)Mar 09 06:53
oiaohmBeen threw that stage.  nisshhMar 09 06:53
nisshhsebsebseb, ok, ok, fineMar 09 06:53
nisshhoiaohm, what did you end up doing?Mar 09 06:53
oiaohmNotice I running rpm and deb  I really don't care that much any more about package manager.Mar 09 06:53
oiaohmIts the packages that they work is key.Mar 09 06:53
nisshhyeahMar 09 06:54
oiaohmAlso I do run a bit of jackaudio stuff for fun.Mar 09 06:54
sebsebseboiaohm: yeah same here, I don't care, if the distro uses RPM or DEB or whatever, as long as I can install the software, and as long as  the software worskMar 09 06:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Crowdsourcing Project: Broadcasting & Sharing local tech events via the airwaves with the Air Local channel http://mzl.la/ek9Xz0Mar 09 06:55
sebsebsebworksMar 09 06:55
oiaohmAnd ubuntu is getting to the stage of playing loto.Mar 09 06:56
sebsebsebplaying loto ????Mar 09 06:56
oiaohmMost risky distribution I run is Fedora.Mar 09 06:56
oiaohmsebsebseb: loto if the application you just installed still works as per manual.Mar 09 06:56
oiaohmsebsebseb: Ie not a good thing to be playing loto with.Mar 09 06:57
sebsebsebI don't understand you at the moment oiaohm or not properlyMar 09 06:58
oiaohmloto/gambling if the program will work.Mar 09 06:59
oiaohmI don't like gambling with software sebsebsebMar 09 06:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RHQ Project 4.0 beta out. It's a a systems management suite. http://rhq-project.org/display/RHQ/Home #fbMar 09 07:00
sebsebsebsure same here, I just want the software to workMar 09 07:00
oiaohmme refering to a distribution with stage of playing loto is a major insult to its quality.Mar 09 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] April 6-8 in San Francisco The !linux foundation will kick off Linux' 20th anniversary celebrations. http://ur1.ca/3fpwkMar 09 07:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] SWIFT-Daten weiterhin unkontrolliert - http://bit.ly/dLu0FD what a total disgrace #swift #privacy #surveillanceMar 09 07:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Vendor-Sec !linux security mailing list server hacked: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2011/03/03/3Mar 09 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-Piracy Group Say Police Have Arrested “Elite Pirate” - http://bit.ly/eoDxVb so this one has a wooden leg and parrot on his shoulder...Mar 09 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @glynmoody: Anti-Piracy Group Say Police Arrested “Elite Pirate” http://bit.ly/eoDxVb < So obvious these people have no sense of humourMar 09 07:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu Quick tip: Enable full screen Dash in Ubuntu 11.04 desktop http://goo.gl/MdgYm !UnityMar 09 07:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Just !listening 2 Gappy Ranks - Pumpkin Belly - awesome old reggae track. Everyone should hear it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TInstwOBDj0Mar 09 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Anonymous Operation Payback to BMI … 'You should have expected us' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49848Mar 09 07:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Canadian team says it can ID anonymous emails. 'Good enough for a court of law' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49849Mar 09 07:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Breaking: #Zynga files for trademark on the word “Ville” in Europe - http://bit.ly/fGyAC9 that'll go down well in #franceMar 09 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh It's common in Psychology, but rare otherwise (family members are in that area)Mar 09 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Stupid #EU #cookie law will hand the advantage to the US, kill our #startups stone dead - http://bit.ly/gPZeBi maladroitMar 09 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: 'Global warming' vs. 'climate change': terminology matters - http://bit.ly/g4QV68 not too surprising, perhapsMar 09 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: China to realize online train ticket booking with real-name system - http://bit.ly/hDjud1 whoa... #surveillanceMar 09 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: #Android now more profitable than #iOS for well-known game developer http://bit.ly/eXalMB "Android has become our primary ...Mar 09 07:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong" - http://bit.ly/e6sD3m an unpredictable player #copyrightMar 09 07:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid but is anyone really confident in pronouncing it? I'm certainly not :)Mar 09 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice to see AdaFruit mentioning "The Open Source Way" http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2011/03/08/the-open-source-way/ #fbMar 09 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid It's like Supererogatory - I can just about spell it but I wouldn't want to say it too often :)Mar 09 07:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Installing openSUSE 11.4 (KDE Live CD) on my Athlon XP deskop ATM. Final Release tomorrow. http://ur1.ca/3fbyhMar 09 07:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Oh-hoooo Oneir Weaver..... I believe you can get me through the ni-hi-iiiight. :PMar 09 07:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @richslxh @psquid the other thing is: Ocelots are not dreamy; they're fast and springy :)Mar 09 07:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh Let the replacement of the word Dream(y) for Oneir(ic) on !identica commence :)Mar 09 07:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh @psquid @silner @jargon Oh-hoooo Oneir Weaver..... I believe you can get me through the ni-hi-iiiight. :PMar 09 07:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] So, is the end of Gaddafi merely hours away? http://english.aljazeera.net//news/africa/2011/03/20113911921436551.html #fbMar 09 07:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] dunno whether to hope #Miliband is removed before the election or not, he's hopeless. None of the main parties deserves power. #LabourMar 09 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @rrix +100Mar 09 08:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2011-03-09: 'No sysadmin' is the key to Freedom Box "The Freedom Box project will succeed or fail on ... http://wmk.me/hrlKWpMar 09 08:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if #Miliband is removed, they're still the party which brought us such illegal wars as #Iraq. Until #Blair is in Hague I won't vote #LabourMar 09 08:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @jargon i really hate it when the unreliability of others make me seem unreliable to others. #smfhMar 09 08:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] La industria del copyright ha perdido el beneficio de la duda - http://bit.ly/fJTJxZ good post on the important #SSRC piracy study #mexicoMar 09 08:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] having fun discovering new foods in my new home .. example for the day: basler leckerli. yum!Mar 09 08:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Miliband sounds like a lil posh boy who's parents bought him a place in the school play, and all he can do is fluff his lines, no timingMar 09 08:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] he can't even adapt to what's being said to him, he just carries on with his prescripted retort, which tends to be way too long, & not funnyMar 09 08:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] from a kid in a school play you'd say "aww bless, he's trying" but as a potential PM? ya gotta be kiddin'Mar 09 08:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] tr @glynmoody The copyright industry has lost the benefit of the doubt - http://bit.ly/fJTJxZ gd post on important #mexico SSRC piracy studyMar 09 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it #opensourceMar 09 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] careful with the #Minecraft chat, the #FBI will be demanding a secret police station in every world next, complete with interrogation cellsMar 09 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Ubuntu #Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release - http://bit.ly/fjX9Bg "no longer a need for a separate netbook edition"Mar 09 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #abgeordnetenwatch: #HerbertMertin #fdp http://ur1.ca/3fqxv und #StefanPohl #cdu über Freie Software !fs im Auswärtigen Amt #bundesleaksMar 09 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Canonical blog: !Ubuntu Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release http://goo.gl/NLp3TMar 09 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tesco heralds 2011 as YEAR OF ANDROID - http://bit.ly/hVNa6x the people have spoken #tesco #androidMar 09 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] So What Was Decided With S3TC & Floating Points For Mesa: Last week I mentioned that a developer called for a di... http://bit.ly/hxqYVKMar 09 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it ...Mar 09 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @webmink links for 2011-03-09: 'No sysadmin' is the key to Freedom Box "The Freedom Box project will succeed or fail on ... http://w ...Mar 09 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] openSUSE 11.4 can't manage a network connection after installation (worked well in the Live session). Replacing it by Kubuntu "Natty" Alpha3Mar 09 08:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: Tesco heralds 2011 as YEAR OF ANDROID - http://bit.ly/hVNa6x the people have spoken #tesco #androidMar 09 08:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is this the year of #Linux in the pocket? ;PMar 09 08:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @codepope yes, probablyMar 09 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Freedom sacrificed for an easy life in Apple’s Brave New World - http://bit.ly/fuvruu good to see more oar-sticking (v @jmcesteves @cathfie)Mar 09 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @glynmoody: Freedom sacrificed for an easy life in Apple’s Brave New World - http://bit.ly/fuvruu good to see more oar-stickingMar 09 08:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: Ben tijdens de carnavalsdagen bij mijn broer Ger http://ur1.ca/3frfv geweest. Heerlijk zitten hacken en klooien.Mar 09 08:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Good afternoon !Identiverse my day has been alright so far, and this is my first dent from !ElmDenticaMar 09 08:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: heb KDE SC 4.6 op Ubuntu 10.10 laptop geïnstaleerd. Het was echt even hacken en klooien om een consistente desktop omgeving te krijgen.Mar 09 08:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: maar het is gelukt en ik ben er ontzettend van onder de indruk en trots op. Ubuntu 10.10 heeft namelijk wel een Nvidia binary blob :-)Mar 09 08:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense.Mar 09 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: heb openSUSE 11.4 KDE RC gisteren gedownload, werkte niet vanaf USB stick. Vandaag geïnstalleerd op dekstop.Mar 09 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Whoops forgot the :) after !ElmDentica in my previous dent to the !elmdentica and !identiverse groups.Mar 09 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] NL: openSUSE kon geen netwerk verbinding maken. Ben nu Kubuntu "Natty" Alpha 3 weer aan het installeren (installatie had ik verklooid).Mar 09 08:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Crime writer makes a fortune selling ebooks at 99c http://tighturl.com/2zrk I smell the future of ebooks, and it is goodMar 09 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] People from !identiverse and !elmdentica: Elmdentica seems to be an ok client so far, but I don't like how I can't hit enter to send dents.Mar 09 09:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] How to become an amazing contributor (to an open source project) | http://bit.ly/ia8Sah #participateMar 09 09:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb thanks for using !elmdentica :) Do you use it on the desktop? Its more oriented towards touchscreens... however I'll look into itMar 09 09:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !elmdentica and !identiverse people not that keen that I have to click to type a dent, after clicking the post button, but no big deal :).Mar 09 09:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb not true I asked: Do you use it on the desktop? Its more oriented towards touchscreens... however I'll look into it. !identiverseMar 09 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @sebsebseb If you press and hold on a status, buttons will show up with actions (like reply). !elmdenticaMar 09 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://alturl.com/r27ou !wlMar 09 09:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @doctorow: #Fuckyeah new #raygun http://tinyurl.com/6juyysv #klockwerks #steampunk #rogerwoodMar 09 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: Discussing more with @_the_mad_hatter in comments at http://BillC32.ca/5293 : who is posting using @CopyrightCanada ?Mar 09 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Gentoo Linux LiveDVD 11.0 released http://lwn.net/Articles/432357/rssMar 09 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] March CC News: Where did our $ come from in 2010? plus round-up of other developments: http://bit.ly/eBZJ84Mar 09 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter I want "none of the above" to be an option on the ballot paper, the reason it's not is that it'd win too many seatsMar 09 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] HBR Blog: Open Source Software Hits a Strategic Tipping Point - http://bit.ly/edmujF really? - who would have thought...? (v @mmilinkov)Mar 09 09:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Lily Allen may well be the most brilliant marketer of the age http://ping.fm/O6wwyMar 09 09:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google Chrome 10 Released, A Robust Progress in Speed (TechOncept): http://bit.ly/gbnacDMar 09 09:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mozilla Moves On - http://bit.ly/i0nwSl new CEO explains how #Mozilla will save the Web - again #webapps #firefoxMar 09 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] mint "likes" over #!? at Reddit http://ping.fm/CGr30Mar 09 09:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Every #HP PC shipped next year will have #webOS - http://zd.net/eIt8VA "shipped with" or "able to run"? makes a difference #linux (v @sjvn)Mar 09 09:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !LibreOffice: an excellent open source productivity suite reviewed (briefly) at Onsoftware http://ping.fm/RsY2eMar 09 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] NYTimes exclusive: Julian Assange, Cat Hater http://is.gd/65eH0P !wlMar 09 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! apparently http://ping.fm/H5r4bMar 09 09:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense.Mar 09 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! apparently http://ping.fm/H5r4b I'm scepticalMar 09 09:53
GoForbes28Quote of the day:Mar 09 09:54
GoForbes28"We need our development teams focused on content and cool features, not anti-piracy technology."Mar 09 09:54
GoForbes28- Frank Pearce, Blizzard co-founder on the obviousMar 09 09:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @greve: RT @kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense.Mar 09 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android App writers ignore Open Sauce licensing - TechEye http://ping.fm/Tc2yOMar 09 09:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica - Daydream and discipline: !Ubuntu 11.10 codenamed #Oneiric Ocelot http://goo.gl/oGh0YMar 09 10:00
MinceRso when are they going to do that? :>Mar 09 10:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Chrome 10 released http://lwn.net/Articles/432366/rssMar 09 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] binary playhouse: !RedHat should have invested in a #BSD http://ping.fm/KCNcsMar 09 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Apologies if you've seen one of two of these old stories before. I'm catching upMar 09 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0... http://bit.ly/gRHQOjMar 09 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: NYTimes exclusive: Julian Assange, Cat Hater http://is.gd/65eH0P http://bit.ly/e8f5lPMar 09 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Is it possible to make !Elmdentica look less dark? Is it possible to attach files?Mar 09 10:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !RedHat Fights Back and I'm still undecided. I suppose they had to do it really? http://ping.fm/ZL9cUMar 09 10:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] RT @opencourselib: Adult Basic Ed eLearning Expansion Grant materials developed by WA CTCs will all be CC BY licensed http://bit.ly/gYuex6Mar 09 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: The end of Ubuntu Netbook edition http://goo.gl/2NXDkMar 09 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Chrome 10 brings Flash sandboxing and new settings UI http://goo.gl/X6hYT !chromiumMar 09 10:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @ubuntuone A new look. What do you think? http://bit.ly/faAhv8Mar 09 10:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Video release: Minecraft Adventures 3 - The Quest for Coal > http://outl.ws/hJ32Rb #minecraft #linuxoutlawsMar 09 10:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !UbuntuOne will get a new look soon: http://goo.gl/nCVly !uMar 09 10:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Rulings in #PS3 #jailbreaking suit should worry you | TechRepublic http://ping.fm/SBtmkMar 09 10:18
GoForbes28hahaMar 09 10:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] HP unifies software support services (Network World): http://bit.ly/fSkFXWMar 09 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Physics of Pruney Fingers Revealed by Lisa Grossman http://ping.fm/bbJtaMar 09 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] HTML5 in the Web browser: HTML5 forms (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/eMnAqiMar 09 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] VMware buys Java app dev toolmaker WaveMaker (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/hmAcZcMar 09 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !perl script to import posts from Wordpress to Whird: @corenominal http://ur1.ca/3fsusMar 09 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: The new !UbuntuOne logo is beautiful http://goo.gl/QazYaMar 09 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Facebook Is AOLifying the Internet: http://gizmo.do/gObueIMar 09 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Very Difficult Problem of Notifications (The Brooks Review): http://bit.ly/hpkQYC (via @techmeme)Mar 09 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google VP8: "Bali" to offer faster encoding (H): http://bit.ly/hqJpFMMar 09 10:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Gentoo Linux 11 released (H): http://bit.ly/dRpDVLMar 09 10:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @toros Beautiful? Well.... Let's say it's simple...Mar 09 10:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: Report Confirms Gang Rapes at Canadian-Controlled PNG Mine - http://bit.ly/hosfUqMar 09 10:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ninapaley: Mimi and Eunice: What Did We Do Before Laws? http://j.mp/fVQFoZMar 09 10:31
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GoForbes28Microsoft developers at work, my friends!Mar 09 10:36
GoForbes28http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-milestone-2-build-screenshot-leaked-features-new-up-button-in-explorer-and-improvement-in-windows-update/Mar 09 10:36
GoForbes28Wow, I think I may faint from the drastic changesMar 09 10:36
GoForbes28[/sarcasm]Mar 09 10:36
GoForbes28http://www.askvg.com/windows-8-milestone-3-build-7910-screenshots-leaked-windows-live-id-integration-factory-restore-windows-app-store-and-much-more/Mar 09 10:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] Coming in 2.6.38 (Part 6) - Drivers http://h-online.com/-1202826 #linux #kernel #2638 #alsa #v4l #staging #input #hidMar 09 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TanyaHuff: Amazon has listed a book I haven't quite entirely finished writing yet. Their faith in me is truly touching.Mar 09 10:38
MinceRwhoaMar 09 10:39
GoForbes28In the time it took to implement these "improvements", I think there has been at least two Fedora releasesMar 09 10:39
MinceRm$ invented the up button just now? :>Mar 09 10:39
GoForbes28YeahMar 09 10:39
GoForbes28If you used Classic Shell, then this change drops to completely meaninglessMar 09 10:39
MinceRand imagine that there are people who take these announcements seriouslyMar 09 10:40
GoForbes28Should I dent this with a sarcastic tagline?Mar 09 10:40
MinceRyesMar 09 10:40
MinceRthough you might need sarcasm markersMar 09 10:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thistleweb: @themadhatter I want "none of the above" to be an option on the ballot, the reason it's not is that it'd win too many seatsMar 09 10:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] The Consumer’s Dilemma License - recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries for the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqtMar 09 10:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] #Facebook and Civil Disobedience in #Vietnam http://ur1.ca/3ft2z #tpn #anon #piracy #freespeechMar 09 10:41
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GoForbes28yep, don't want people to actually thinkMar 09 10:43
MinceRrather, don't want m$ fanboys to redent itMar 09 10:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @joshourisman: @_the_mad_hatter @doctorow Squamous Shoggoth seems more appropriate.Mar 09 10:45
GoForbes28well, it should be here in a secMar 09 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @webmink: The Consumer’s Dilemma License recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries 4 the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqtMar 09 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] Look at these drastic Win8 enhancements![/sarcasm] (http://tinyurl.com/69zeq65) A folder-UP button. Wow! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqzmtz)Mar 09 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @stoppableforce: @_the_mad_hatter @doctorow Followed by Belligerent Byakhee and Gibbering Ghoul?Mar 09 10:46
GoForbes28actually, if they did redent it enough, people may realize the scamMar 09 10:46
MinceR:)Mar 09 10:46
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GoForbes28I think that gets the point across, no?Mar 09 10:48
MinceRindeedMar 09 10:48
GoForbes28I was thinking doing a followup, like "Only the level of innovation we've come to expect from Micro$oft (R)."Mar 09 10:50
GoForbes28But maybe that would be too muchMar 09 10:51
MinceR:>Mar 09 10:51
GoForbes28Is that a yes?Mar 09 10:52
MinceRnot sure if it would be too much, i don't knowMar 09 10:52
GoForbes28well, I'll give it some timeMar 09 10:52
GoForbes28no need to rushMar 09 10:52
cubexyzI'm sure windows 8 will run great on my 486 :)Mar 09 10:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] The Consumer's Dilemma - Funniest thing I've read today: http://bit.ly/gXrALk #humor #copyright #piracyMar 09 10:53
GoForbes28486 FTW!Mar 09 10:53
GoForbes28BTW, funny storyMar 09 10:53
GoForbes28the site where those "leaks" are posted is www.askvg.comMar 09 10:53
GoForbes28The guy who runs it is a Microsot MVPMar 09 10:54
GoForbes28Who also apparently makes a lot of Windows 7 themesMar 09 10:54
sebsebsebGoForbes28: MinceR Apparnatly Windows 8 or whatever it will be called, will get multi desktops, well about time for MicrosoftMar 09 10:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Cisco to stay out of the services business - Computerworld http://bit.ly/fKbdZhMar 09 10:55
cubexyzactually I'm saddened by the OEM lock-in stillMar 09 10:55
sebsebsebabout time Microsoft has work spaces in WindowsMar 09 10:55
GoForbes28I once asked him simply how to add outlines to the text in the taskbar to make them more readable, and he says I don't knowMar 09 10:55
cubexyzI was in Staples the other day :-/Mar 09 10:55
sebsebsebone of the most asked for features by Linux people for years now I guess :DMar 09 10:55
GoForbes28A microsoft MVP who specializes in themes, can't answer a simple question that I ended finding out laterMar 09 10:55
sebsebsebGoForbes28: MinceR anyway if Windows 8 (or whatever it will be called) doesn't sell that well, and many people remain on XP, well they got a problem reallyMar 09 10:55
abeNd-orgyou have a 486 that still works? i held onto my original computer (486dx2-80) as long as i could, but even the isa/vlb slots stopped working after awhileMar 09 10:55
cubexyzabeNd-org, yupMar 09 10:56
GoForbes28and this isn't a astetic thing either, without the outline, the taskbar font is unreadable on light backgroundsMar 09 10:56
cubexyz486SLC2 50 mhzMar 09 10:56
GoForbes28another GUI achievement for M$Mar 09 10:56
sebsebsebGoForbes28: MinceR people don't like being forced to upgrade, and well that's what is meant to be happening in April 2014 really, but quite a few will use  Windows  XP unsupported anyway I guess by then, and many will be open to alternative OS'sMar 09 10:56
abeNd-orgim noticing with most of my customers that they are making the move to win7 from xp, mostly since they can't really buy xp anymoreMar 09 10:56
cubexyzabeNd-org, there are computers from the late 1970's that still workMar 09 10:57
GoForbes28People who I know who run Windows 7 or Vista do so because it came with their laptopsMar 09 10:57
cubexyze.g. Commodore PETMar 09 10:57
sebsebsebXP is alright really, once it's pretty bad security has been properly taken care of, and no I  don't mean anti virus and anti spyware programs heh heh,  I mean limited accounts, and possibily a sandbox, and a more secure browser such as FirefoxMar 09 10:57
cubexyzI don't even consider 486 to be that oldMar 09 10:57
MinceRm$ doesn't seem to be able to improve on winblows xpMar 09 10:57
MinceReven though it sucksMar 09 10:57
GoForbes28Sorry sebsebseb, Windows XP is flawed from the ground upMar 09 10:57
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah I guess that's pretty much true reallyMar 09 10:57
cubexyzthe windows that sucked the least was win2kMar 09 10:57
sebsebsebaltough I haven't tried out Windows 7 ever properly, but Vista yepMar 09 10:58
cubexyzit still sucked though :)Mar 09 10:58
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abeNd-orgcube sure, but most consumer grade 486s were pretty bad to begin with (packard bell?) Mar 09 10:58
sebsebseband I know Vista version 2, and Vista are both pretty similar reallyMar 09 10:58
cubexyzabeNd-org, this was an IBM Mar 09 10:58
GoForbes28intergrating a browser into the operating system to the point of application dependencies is the stupidest design decision everMar 09 10:58
sebsebsebcubexyz: I used to think WIndows 2000 was the best version of Windows, and for quite a while as wellMar 09 10:58
abeNd-orgright, no IE9 for windows xp right?Mar 09 10:58
MinceRwhat did xp change compared to 2k?Mar 09 10:58
GoForbes28Windows 2000 when using FDV's fileset is tolerableMar 09 10:58
sebsebsebabeNd-org: oh yeah IE9 apparnatly only for the next version of Windows or whateverMar 09 10:58
sebsebsebMinceR: the theme and that was about it I Guess reallyMar 09 10:59
sebsebsebyeah XP better for eye  candy, but other than that, pretty similar to 2000Mar 09 10:59
abeNd-orgim trying the ie9 beta out on my win7-x64 box, it looks pretty much like operaMar 09 10:59
sebsebsebuh I said better for eye candy maybe not, I think 2000 was like WIndows 98 and loads of proper 3rd party themes coudl be used no problem and so onMar 09 10:59
cubexyzin a lot of ways Operating Systems are getting worse not betterMar 09 11:00
sebsebsebabeNd-org: a part of me wants to try IE 9 beta, but well ok I got Vista on here that I don't exactly boot up,  espesaily  since I lost the driver CD, so no soundMar 09 11:00
cubexyzbut what saves things is Linux and you can just run old distrosMar 09 11:00
cubexyzupgrading what you wantMar 09 11:00
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sebsebsebabeNd-org: was going to vm XP, for something, not bothered yet, but anyway no IE9 for XP?Mar 09 11:00
GoForbes28cubexyz: except for free software ;)  It definitely is getting betterMar 09 11:01
MinceRsome free software at leastMar 09 11:01
GoForbes28XP=eyecandy?  I don't think soMar 09 11:01
cubexyzGoForbes28, I check out a new distro at least once per weekMar 09 11:01
MinceRi'm not sure if kde and gnome are getting betterMar 09 11:01
sebsebsebcubexyz: sure and we can use Gnome 2 in like 10 years from now if we want to, even though it will hardly be supported by any distros anymore, if any reallyMar 09 11:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Flashback: Qaddafi blames !WikiLeaks > http://nyti.ms/fQMrwiMar 09 11:01
sebsebsebcubexyz: well I guess we can run Gnome 2 some how on a modern distro in 10 years time?Mar 09 11:01
GoForbes28Well, Free software that isn't being corrupted by corporate or proprietary interestesMar 09 11:01
cubexyzsebsebseb, well FC1 is from 2004 so I guess I have 3 years to go :)Mar 09 11:02
sebsebsebGoForbes28: Ubuntu  is being corrupted by corporate interests?Mar 09 11:02
GoForbes28Mono mono, di-diMar 09 11:02
cubexyzBL3 is pretty old tooMar 09 11:02
sebsebsebGoForbes28: I  read about one guy well quiting ast he Maryland loco leader, because of Canonical and so onMar 09 11:02
GoForbes28sorry, just referencing those old caulking commercialsMar 09 11:02
sebsebsebCanonical really are making Ubuntu into a product now, so trueMar 09 11:03
sebsebsebit's not this distro where things were quite a lot about community beforeMar 09 11:03
GoForbes28A mediocre productMar 09 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Patent trolls fatten up on vaguely worded patents (Ars): http://bit.ly/eKECJyMar 09 11:03
GoForbes28I think when judging the improvement of Free software, you have to look at every program overallMar 09 11:03
cubexyzI archive stuff a lot, you never know when old source code will disappearMar 09 11:03
cubexyzit was hard to find KDE 3.4.2 Mar 09 11:04
sebsebsebcubexyz: I think I know what you meanMar 09 11:04
sebsebseband bingoMar 09 11:04
GoForbes28Sure, some programs/operating systems may become worst, but so long as Free software as a whole is improving, everything is goodMar 09 11:04
sebsebsebcubexyz: ISO's start to disappear for old versions of distro'sMar 09 11:04
GoForbes28*worseMar 09 11:04
GoForbes28Like short-run vs. long-run economicsMar 09 11:04
sebsebsebcubexyz: at leat Ubuntu still provide their old ISO's though :)Mar 09 11:05
sebsebsebof stable releases only thoughMar 09 11:05
cubexyzsebsebseb, right, the server admins delete the old stuff to make roomMar 09 11:05
sebsebsebUbuntu/Canonical aboveMar 09 11:05
sebsebsebMint are keeping their old stable versions as well :)Mar 09 11:05
GoForbes28there are mirrors of old releasesMar 09 11:05
cubexyzsebsebseb, but do the ISO's come with _all_ source? probably notMar 09 11:05
GoForbes28Well, they also may have proprietary packages, ala Netscape and Adobe ReaderMar 09 11:05
cubexyztry to find old KDE source, not easyMar 09 11:05
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GoForbes28stupid mouse slipsMar 09 11:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @johnkoetsier: Android now more profitable than iOS for well-known game developer http://bit.ly/eljOdzMar 09 11:10
GoForbes28any way to display previous IRC messages?Mar 09 11:10
cubexyzthere is the logsMar 09 11:10
GoForbes28I mean on demandMar 09 11:11
sebsebsebGoForbes28: this channel is publically logged, as for your client,  well turn logging in or whatever if it's not already I guessMar 09 11:11
cubexyzhttp://maxhost.org/other/techrights.log Mar 09 11:11
cubexyzshould be up-to-dateMar 09 11:11
cubexyzI'd use wget though, not the browserMar 09 11:12
GoForbes28http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5677/196/Mar 09 11:12
GoForbes28thanks, btwMar 09 11:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] The pulse of the Drupal community after 10 years | http://bit.ly/enQc9O #drupalcon #drupalchiMar 09 11:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Gentoo Linux 11.0 Released http://is.gd/wvgu5j #software #gnu #linux #microsoft #windowsMar 09 11:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @arstechnica: Anonymous revives Operation Payback, wages war on "copywrong": http://t.co/2kH4dHr by @natexandersonMar 09 11:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @noyesk: Hackers versus Apple http://h-online.com/-1202598 #theh #securityMar 09 11:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @noyesk: Death of the signing bonus: Open source recruitment works http://reg.cx/1N7k #opensourceMar 09 11:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Large HDD/SSD Linux 2.6.38 File-System Comparison: Here are the results from our largest Linux file-system compa... http://bit.ly/g5pqGnMar 09 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @webmink: Consumer’s Dilemma License recreating the causes of "piracy" in low income countries for the rest of us: http://wmk.me/eXbhqtMar 09 11:18
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: no ie9 for xp from what i can tellMar 09 11:19
sebsebsebabeNd-org: GoForbes28 well there wasn't going to be an IE 7 for XP, but then Firefox started gaining loads of market shareMar 09 11:19
sebsebsebIE 7 was going to be only for VistaMar 09 11:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Apple patches critical #Mac bugs with #Java updates http://is.gd/jejEcpMar 09 11:20
abeNd-orgxp was still in the supported phase then, it is not nowMar 09 11:20
cubexyzis XP EOL now?Mar 09 11:20
sebsebsebnow it's on extended supportMar 09 11:20
sebsebsebyepMar 09 11:20
sebsebsebcubexyz: noMar 09 11:20
sebsebsebcubexyz: April 14 unless Microsoft extend again, and that's only SP3Mar 09 11:20
sebsebsebgot extended by four years, was going to be EOL last yearMar 09 11:20
cubexyzjust checking... I wouldn't care at all but my customers might wish to knowMar 09 11:21
sebsebseband they want business leaving it by 2012Mar 09 11:21
sebsebsebfrom what I read beforeMar 09 11:21
cubexyzgreat, that should mean more Linux users Mar 09 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jospoortvliet FOSS world must realize without collaboration !linux desktop goes nowhere. !gnome !kde wakeup call! http://bit.ly/gP7gE6Mar 09 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] The Harper Gov't are again hypocrites: negotiates with "evil separatists" to pass BillC32 http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5676/196/Mar 09 11:21
cubexyzsave some $$$Mar 09 11:21
sebsebsebcubexyz: yeah and if we are lucky ReactOS will be well much more developed by April 2014 :)Mar 09 11:21
sebsebseb,but probably not quite for that one :(Mar 09 11:22
sebsebsebwould be great if it can run most XP junk apps that loads of people want, and their hardware drivers, by then thoughMar 09 11:22
cubexyzit's definitely still AlphaMar 09 11:22
GoForbes28ReactOS is a good idea, but unfortunately Microsoft is not UnixMar 09 11:22
sebsebsebGoForbes28: meaning?Mar 09 11:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Android OS Update Problem http://is.gd/1wt1sB #androidMar 09 11:23
GoForbes28A number people think that ReactOS is the next GNU/Linux in the sense that it will do to Windows what "Linux" did to UnixMar 09 11:23
cubexyzversion 0.3.12 implies itMar 09 11:23
sebsebsebGoForbes28: uh maybe one day if it's developed enough in time :DMar 09 11:23
cubexyzit's got a ways to go stillMar 09 11:23
GoForbes28It will be beta by version 0.5Mar 09 11:24
abeNd-orgthere will be a point where 3rd party apps will stop supporting xp, & people would have no choice, especially in business, to move onto win7 (especially when said app doesnt exist in the linux world at all)Mar 09 11:24
sebsebsebabeNd-org: uh if they wait untill April 2014 to dump XPMar 09 11:24
cubexyzthere's always a choiceMar 09 11:24
sebsebsebit's Windows 8 or whatever it's called I guessMar 09 11:24
GoForbes28brbMar 09 11:24
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sebsebsebabeNd-org: if going at the end of 2012, I guess can be an early adopter for Windows 8 or whatever it will be called?Mar 09 11:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Android Security: Six Tips to Protect Your Google Phone http://is.gd/4XJP82 #android #security #google (via @sjvn)Mar 09 11:25
sebsebsebohMar 09 11:25
sebsebsebhmmMar 09 11:25
sebsebsebah yes that's ok what I am thinkingMar 09 11:25
sebsebsebVista was 2006Mar 09 11:25
sebsebsebWindows 7 was end of October 2009Mar 09 11:25
sebsebsebso yep probably Windows 8 (or whatever it will be called) at the end of 2012 ?Mar 09 11:25
abeNd-orgno worries, the world will end in 2012, so perhaps ms will advertise it as windows 8, 2012, world ender edition plus!Mar 09 11:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Comcast Will Now Troubleshoot Your Gear, Too http://gizmo.do/epAiNQMar 09 11:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with EU treaties http://ur1.ca/3ftwa (DE) #swpatMar 09 11:26
sebsebsebcubexyz: abeNd-org anyway I think my Mum might be more open to doing Desktop LInux on her current lap top, if it's still working in April 2014, when XP runs out of support :)Mar 09 11:26
sebsebsebplus by then wellMar 09 11:26
sebsebsebmy older brother will have used for quite a while as well it seemsMar 09 11:26
cubexyzI'd be more satisified with Microsoft-Ender version nowMar 09 11:26
sebsebseband my little brother will be having his lap top with LInux on it so :DMar 09 11:27
sebsebsebanyway my little brother wants a lap top next year, when he goes to another schoolMar 09 11:27
sebsebsebandMar 09 11:27
sebsebsebwell I think it makes sense to buy a lap top when Windows 8 comes outMar 09 11:27
sebsebsebyep that's right having Windows, even though he probably woudnt' really need it as suchMar 09 11:27
sebsebsebthen again the schools are locked into Windows, so yeahMar 09 11:27
sebsebsebplus he might end up playing some commerical games, that  are for Windows or something, so hmmMar 09 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] @karsten PDF of ECJ opinion re unitary patent (EN) http://ur1.ca/3ftwj #swpatMar 09 11:28
sebsebseblike it or not, because of how things are, Windows can be good to have around attimesMar 09 11:28
cubexyzI never use itMar 09 11:28
sebsebsebsometimes forced to use it as well, because of a Educational Establishment or work place, or well software that needs itMar 09 11:29
sebsebsebfor example my latest driving thorey DVD I need Windows for that it seems, becasue of the copy protectionMar 09 11:29
sebsebsebthe DRMMar 09 11:29
cubexyzhmmm?Mar 09 11:29
sebsebsebso when I try in Wine it thinks I am running a priated copy basically, even though it was boughtMar 09 11:29
cubexyzsounds awfulMar 09 11:29
sebsebsebindeedMar 09 11:29
sebsebsebI haven't done it yet, but I hope it works no problem in  XP vm :)Mar 09 11:30
abeNd-orgdvd video through a vm? good luck on thatMar 09 11:30
sebsebsebif not well, my Vista has no sound right now like I mentioend earlierMar 09 11:30
sebsebsebabeNd-org: noMar 09 11:30
abeNd-orgim sure it will work, but the refresh would probably be horribleMar 09 11:30
sebsebsebabeNd-org: not DVD videoMar 09 11:30
sebsebsebabeNd-org: software DVDMar 09 11:30
abeNd-orgah, that should work just fineMar 09 11:30
sebsebseba DVD ROMMar 09 11:30
sebsebsebaltough sure it has some videos on it, but that shoudn't be a problemMar 09 11:30
cubexyzummm, do you have a separate license key for your VM XP?Mar 09 11:31
cubexyzjust curiousMar 09 11:31
cubexyznot sure how that worksMar 09 11:31
abeNd-orgif its win7 & the xpmode, its built into your win7Mar 09 11:31
sebsebseblegally bought copy, but if I  really wanted to, I could run a pirate, well special edited version by geeks, for exampleMar 09 11:32
abeNd-orgif you are running an xp vm through vmware on win or linux or mac, yeah, you have to have a full blown real licenseMar 09 11:32
sebsebsebabeNd-org: uh?Mar 09 11:32
cubexyzabeNd-org, what if you erased your XP from one computer and reinstalled on a different computer using a VM?Mar 09 11:33
sebsebsebabeNd-org: I don't think that's trueMar 09 11:33
sebsebsebabeNd-org: pirate copys can work for exampleMar 09 11:33
MinceRwhat if you run an OEM preinstalled copy of winblows in a VM, using the on-disk filesystem (as opposed to a virtual HDD)?Mar 09 11:33
cubexyzit might give one some troubleMar 09 11:33
abeNd-orgcubexyz: that all depends on if it is an OEM version, OEM windows license is legally tied to that original computer, you legally are not allowed to move that license to another computer, or a VMMar 09 11:33
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cubexyzah I seeMar 09 11:33
abeNd-orgim not talking piracy here, talking regular licensingMar 09 11:33
abeNd-orgif it is a retail version, your eopen/vlk license you are pretty much able to install it however many times in whatever way you want, at least for the amount of licenses you purchased through the vlkMar 09 11:34
sebsebsebabeNd-org: multi lisense is only for professional versions though isn't it?Mar 09 11:35
sebsebsebnot home versions?Mar 09 11:35
cubexyzanother reason not to use it :)Mar 09 11:35
abeNd-orgim no license guru, & heck, ms has teams of people dedicated to their own labyrinth of licensing, but thats the jist of itMar 09 11:35
cubexyznot that I needed oneMar 09 11:35
abeNd-orgoem is oem, be it home or professional, works the same wayMar 09 11:35
sebsebsebcubexyz: yeah restricted softwareMar 09 11:35
cubexyzso how much for a regular license?Mar 09 11:36
sebsebsebcubexyz: can't do this or that legally, uh, but we own it?  no we don'tMar 09 11:36
abeNd-org"the oem gets it cheaper & passes the cost savings onto you" so you cant legally move the license to another computerMar 09 11:36
sebsebsebcubexyz: ,but we bought it? so we own Windows? uh no we don't,  we just basically rent itMar 09 11:36
cubexyzah, but I'm liberated now :)Mar 09 11:36
sebsebsebsame thing for cloud gaming I guessMar 09 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Woa.... Liking the new Foursquare!Mar 09 11:36
cubexyzI'm a Universalist OS Specialist :)Mar 09 11:36
sebsebsebyou may have paid to have access to the cloud to play those gamesMar 09 11:36
sebsebseb,but you don't own the gamesMar 09 11:36
cubexyzoops, except for windows :-0Mar 09 11:36
cubexyzoh I have source code for some gamesMar 09 11:37
sebsebsebanyway I own FIrefox, well sort of :D I can have access to the code and do stuff with itMar 09 11:37
cubexyzhad to sign an NDA thoughMar 09 11:37
*sebsebseb owns the Linus kernelMar 09 11:38
sebsebsebyeah I am Linus in disguseMar 09 11:38
sebsebsebyou have all been fooled so well so farMar 09 11:38
cubexyzwell... you at least "own" what you write Mar 09 11:38
sebsebsebwell this was fun being an average person, but now my secret is outMar 09 11:38
cubexyzif you have source code, and libraries, and compiler, then you are setMar 09 11:38
cubexyzotherwise, you are stuckMar 09 11:38
*sebsebseb anyway seriosuly, I think that Linux would probably never come hereMar 09 11:39
sebsebsebLinus not Linux aboveMar 09 11:39
cubexyzLinux is here, except I'm on BSD at the moment :)Mar 09 11:39
sebsebsebanyway April 2014 should be interestingMar 09 11:40
sebsebsebXP probably going end of life yep, but whilst it is still on most of the worlds computers probablyMar 09 11:40
sebsebseband well alternatives such as Desktop Linux, besing as jono would say, awesomeMar 09 11:40
sebsebsebbtrfs for most distro's Gnome 3 nice and developed, user interfaces for it shell and Unity,  KDE even mroe developed, and so onMar 09 11:41
sebsebseboh 2014 should be pretty good for Desktop Linux I guessMar 09 11:41
sebsebseb2014 the  year of desktop linux? uhmm maybe, but it might have already happended before thenMar 09 11:42
sebsebsebcubexyz: why did you version me?Mar 09 11:42
GoForbes28I hate "year of" statementsMar 09 11:42
sebsebsebGoForbes28: yeah wellMar 09 11:42
cubexyzjust checking :)Mar 09 11:42
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: by april 2014 most home user's computers with xp on them now will have been replaced, and companies would have migrated off xp to win7-x64 since they will want the use of 4gb+ ramMar 09 11:42
sebsebsebthey do it pretty much every new yearsMar 09 11:42
sebsebsebfor Linux, and I know it's not new years :DMar 09 11:42
sebsebseb[16:42] [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from cubexyz: Noobchat 2.8.6 FreeBSD 8.1-RELEASE [i386/664.00MHz].Mar 09 11:43
GoForbes28I also hate when the minority government negotiates with a group they previously denounced to pass a bill that is in conflict with the majority of CanadiansMar 09 11:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] News on Firefox 4 RC1 http://is.gd/fK0u86 #mozilla #firefox #web #softwareMar 09 11:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Canonical pares Ubuntu down to 2 editions - Register http://ping.fm/YnKjbMar 09 11:43
cubexyznice editMar 09 11:43
sebsebsebcubexyz: indeed :)Mar 09 11:43
sebsebseband it is Noobchat really, since most of the Ubuntu newbies use it for a startMar 09 11:43
cubexyzyeah it would be much cooler if I used a Commodore 128Mar 09 11:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I can happily imagine a world without #religion, but not a world without #science. #atheist #secularhumanistMar 09 11:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] All parts of the "What's coming in #2638" series finally online http://heise.de/-1202105 (de) http://h-online.com/-1202826 (en)Mar 09 11:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @karsten ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with EU treaties http://ur1.ca/3ftwa (DE) #swpatMar 09 11:45
sebsebsebMinceR: cubexyz  GoForbes28  Ok regarding that dent that came in about the versions of Ubuntu, well that makes senseMar 09 11:45
sebsebsebto only do two versionsMar 09 11:45
sebsebsebof UbuntuMar 09 11:46
sebsebsebyep MinceR they will get rid of Kubuntu to,  no not now, that's KubuntuMar 09 11:46
sebsebsebanyway I guess when they do QT for 11.10,  Kubuntu will become even less relivent in a wayMar 09 11:46
sebsebsebwant KDE apps ok, so just install them with Unity and yepMar 09 11:46
sebsebseband they should fit in with the Unity envrionment reasonably then as wellMar 09 11:47
*MinceR doesn't care about *ubuntuMar 09 11:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Curtea Europeană spune că propunerea Comisiei pt tratarea unitară a patentelor e incompatibilă cu Tratatul http://tinyurl.com/5th62k5 #roMar 09 11:48
sebsebsebMinceR: lies your still on Kubuntu 9.10Mar 09 11:48
sebsebsebso you hae to care about Canonical to an extent, becasue wellMar 09 11:48
sebsebsebif it wasn't for them KUbuntu 9.10 woudn't exist, and well you woudn't be getting updates for it untill the end of AprilMar 09 11:48
MinceRif it wasn't for them i'd be running Lenny right nowMar 09 11:49
sebsebseboh yeah? why don't you change then?Mar 09 11:49
sebsebsebwhy did you go Ubuntu not Debian?Mar 09 11:49
MinceRno time to change right nowMar 09 11:49
abeNd-orgive been trying to turn some local home schoolers with really old xp machines onto edubutu, but they dont have dvdroms to install it, & none of the current editions of it come on cdMar 09 11:50
MinceRi went ubuntu mainly because i believed the kde4 hypeMar 09 11:50
sebsebsebanyway Ubuntu online stuff is like a virus at times,  it's pretty hard to get away from,  I mean if using this channel since it comes in on dents, or if using identica since it's there yeahMar 09 11:50
sebsebsebor even if going to some Linux news site, probably going to see some Ubuntu stuff mentionedMar 09 11:50
MinceRand because gnome-do (which i stopped using long ago) was packaged incorrectly in debianMar 09 11:50
sebsebsebabeNd-org: oh I think there's some sort of work around for thatMar 09 11:50
MinceRabeNd-org: do they have usb slots?Mar 09 11:51
sebsebsebabeNd-org: like installing the standard Ubuntu version and then edubuntu-desktop into itMar 09 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ECJ says that Commission proposal for unitary EU #patent is incompatible with #EU treaties http://tinyurl.com/5r6djzs #fsfe (via @kgerloff )Mar 09 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Is A Few Days Away: The Linux 2.6.38 is effectively ready for release. The condition of ... http://bit.ly/eMj2R4Mar 09 11:51
sebsebsebMinceR: you belived the KDE 4 hype?Mar 09 11:51
cubexyzno :)Mar 09 11:51
*sebsebseb thinks kapman is packaged incorrectly or something in PC Linux OS, it's really laggy, and it was for someone else as well, but I think for someone else it was ok hmmMar 09 11:52
abeNd-orgmincer yes, but i dont think the usb port is bootable on those old machinesMar 09 11:52
MinceRdo they have floppy drives?Mar 09 11:52
*sebsebseb has had Choqok issues in PC Linux OS as well, and even after a version upgrade, but was using Elmdentica instead earlier :)Mar 09 11:52
MinceRsebsebseb: i did, at one pointMar 09 11:52
MinceRsebsebseb: i thought i just had to have 3d compositing, and since compiz is unstable and doesn't support it to be temporarily disabled, kde4 was the only wayMar 09 11:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I hope there will be a propritary Nvidia driver available in !kubuntu "Natty Narwhal" soon.Mar 09 11:53
MinceRabeNd-org: maybe you can use a floppy or a cd with some bootloader-like stuff such as SBM to boot the usb flash driveMar 09 11:53
sebsebsebMinceR: uh you could KDE 4 in Debian?Mar 09 11:53
sebsebsebMinceR: you should go to Ubuntu Developer Summit next time, it's in Budapest next time, so your countryMar 09 11:54
MinceRi don't think i could get it to run easilyMar 09 11:54
MinceRwhy should i go to UDS?Mar 09 11:54
MinceRubuntu is no longer relevant to meMar 09 11:54
sebsebsebMinceR: you should go to it, and dance around in a room with loads of them, and say out loud, Ubuntu SUCKS! :DMar 09 11:54
MinceRlolMar 09 11:54
sebsebseband really annoy them, untill security has to remove you :DMar 09 11:55
cubexyzno, go and tell everyone you only use LFS in text mode :)Mar 09 11:55
abeNd-orgmincer this is something i am trying to get them to do, i am remote to them, there is no possible way they can do that :) getting them to boot off a dvd would be a miracle , much less boot floppy to usb to whatever :)Mar 09 11:55
MinceRicMar 09 11:55
MinceRi used to boot a livedvd off a floppy with SBM :>Mar 09 11:56
abeNd-orgyea, they freecycled a bunch of old computers from me & first thing they did was email me asking "where is windows" (since i had no legal license to give them, the drives were blank) & thats when i tried getting them to go edubuntuMar 09 11:57
cubexyzpeople are so unadaptableMar 09 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] "The {Collaboration} Summit forms the opening bookend to something of a Linuxpalooza set to rock the Kabuki..." http://bit.ly/hOOZZqMar 09 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxjournal: Back from the Dead: Simple Bash for complex DdoS http://ht.ly/1bGAXm #securityMar 09 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Pleasantly surprised by the speed of @MyMCServ support. Good start to a customer relationship. :)Mar 09 11:58
sebsebsebabeNd-org: uh Edubuntu will go Unity as well I guess hmmMar 09 11:58
sebsebsebFreecyled I like that, I guess you mean you gave away the computers to them for FREE?Mar 09 11:59
cubexyzI guess you would have to be old enough to remember pre-windows computers to have at least some independence from windowsMar 09 11:59
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: yes, freecycle.org Mar 09 11:59
cubexyzpresent company excluded of courseMar 09 11:59
MinceRit was niceMar 09 11:59
sebsebsebcubexyz: yeah my primary school hadMar 09 11:59
sebsebsebreally old BBC'sMar 09 11:59
sebsebsebuh black and whiteMar 09 11:59
MinceRthen again, one can still build desktops and servers without having to pay the m$ taxMar 09 11:59
abeNd-orgthe community around here is pretty big with freecycleMar 09 11:59
sebsebsebhad a program called logo on itMar 09 11:59
MinceRit's laptops where trouble startsMar 09 12:00
sebsebsebfor like uhmm maths or whatever and that was about itMar 09 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sqMar 09 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] RT @octavioislas La Jornada es el primer diario en América Latina y sexto en el mundo, en recibir cables filtrados por !WikiLeaksMar 09 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: HP: The Linux Desktop Company http://t.co/po36586 HP!? Yes, #HP #linux #webOS by @sjvn #gnu #romaniaMar 09 12:00
abeNd-orgturtle tracks!Mar 09 12:00
sebsebsebabeNd-org: yeah a turtle or whatever, you know LOGO?Mar 09 12:00
cubexyzha, logoMar 09 12:00
sebsebsebcubexyz: you know it?Mar 09 12:00
cubexyzyesMar 09 12:00
sebsebsebok cool :)Mar 09 12:01
cubexyzbut it would be easy to write your ownMar 09 12:01
sebsebsebdon't remember it that much nowMar 09 12:01
sebsebseb,but used as a kid at school yeahMar 09 12:01
abeNd-orglogo is not known to me, my first program in elementary school was turtle tracks, dont even remember what platform it was onMar 09 12:01
sebsebsebwould like put in degrees and it would  draw a picture or whateverMar 09 12:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Why OSS is the right flavor for the government cloud | http://bit.ly/foMa6m #opengov #gov20Mar 09 12:01
sebsebsebthen I think later on logo got updated with a more modern version for Windows or whateverMar 09 12:01
MinceRbblMar 09 12:02
sebsebsebcubexyz: and they had the old Achorns as well :)  asteroties on it, and pac man, and a golf game, and yeah mainly or only really used for games when I was thereMar 09 12:02
cubexyzkturtle hasn't been updated in agesMar 09 12:02
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: i had a big pile of old P3/P4 machines that to me are worthless since they weren't x64, so i just freecycled themMar 09 12:02
sebsebsebthen yep Windows 95  and suchMar 09 12:02
sebsebseband well they were going to get Internet, butMar 09 12:02
cubexyzwhy doesn't anyone like p3?Mar 09 12:02
sebsebsebnot when I was at primary school, but soon after yepMar 09 12:02
cubexyzit was a good cpuMar 09 12:02
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abeNd-orgit is not x64, thus cannot run ESXi 4.xMar 09 12:02
sebsebseband I learnt to touch type instead of writing joined up :) been very userful for me over the yearsMar 09 12:02
sebsebsebI learnt at school, and did at home as well, Mavis Beacon and so on :DMar 09 12:03
abeNd-organd none of the motherboards that used the P3 address ram worth mentioning these daysMar 09 12:03
cubexyzI learned on a typewriter :)Mar 09 12:03
sebsebsebover 10 years of touch typing :)Mar 09 12:03
abeNd-orgi was looking at a home server with 16GB ram & figured that would not be sufficient for my virtual testing needsMar 09 12:03
cubexyzhmmmMar 09 12:03
sebsebsebcubexyz: then the secondary school, still the achorns, but just about, most of the comptuers were PC's with Windows,  and then well later on whilst I was there they got rid of the achorns :(Mar 09 12:04
sebsebsebcubexyz: a boy I used to go to school with some how got one of them though apparnatlyMar 09 12:04
sebsebseboh good times these older computersMar 09 12:04
sebsebseb,but then Windows came along, and messed loads of things up reallyMar 09 12:04
cubexyzoh I like retrocomputingMar 09 12:04
cubexyzprobably more than you folks :)Mar 09 12:04
sebsebsebexcept I have only used the two I mentioned propelryMar 09 12:04
sebsebseband well I seen an old Amiga beforeMar 09 12:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Becoming truly anonymous. Going underground http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49844Mar 09 12:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @rms: Kucinich and Manning http://ur1.ca/3fu8fMar 09 12:05
abeNd-orgmeh, i deal with enough old computers at work, i dont want to make a hobby out of itMar 09 12:05
sebsebsebcan't remember if it was on though when I was there, someone I used to knowMar 09 12:05
cubexyzabeNd-org, I don't think you would like original Amiga then :)Mar 09 12:05
cubexyz512K was standardMar 09 12:05
cubexyzso for me 512 meg is ample memoryMar 09 12:06
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abeNd-orgcubexyz: i bet you are right, i have no desire to play with thatMar 09 12:06
abeNd-orgor time :PMar 09 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Manning’s naked nights ’situationally driven’. US Marine Corps explanation http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49845Mar 09 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: #WikiLeaks: Bad blood between German and French at EADS http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0... http://bit.ly/gRHQOjMar 09 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@ruiseabra: ♺@greve:@kirschner #dwheeler: "!freesoftware Is #Commercial" http://ur1.ca/3fr54 His conclusion: It’s time to end the nonsense.Mar 09 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Every #HP PC shipped next year will have #webOS - http://zd.net/eIt8VA "shipped with" or "able to run"? makes a difference...Mar 09 12:06
cubexyzabeNd-org, it did have one major advantage over modern PCs...Mar 09 12:07
cubexyzevery register on every chip was documented 100%Mar 09 12:07
sebsebsebok good Linux on every HP computer starting next year :)Mar 09 12:07
sebsebsebwell webosMar 09 12:07
cubexyzbut yeah, I don't think it would be good for web browsingMar 09 12:07
sebsebseb,but that's run by Linux so :DMar 09 12:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Mozilla Moves On - http://bit.ly/i0nwSl new CEO explains how #Mozilla will save the Web - again #webapps #firefoxMar 09 12:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: A/C gerações rasca e à rasca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdFPYoIv5GkMar 09 12:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Open source safest for #healthcare IT, study claims - http://bit.ly/h3z5RK nothing new, but good to hear others saying it ...Mar 09 12:08
abeNd-orgyeah, im quite happy with my palm pre, but no official upgrade to webos2 on it though Mar 09 12:08
cubexyzHyperSpace is interestingMar 09 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at EDEKA http://b1t.it/clu #4sqMar 09 12:10
abeNd-orgthey have a "frankenpre" upgrade for it, but it needs access to a preplus or pre2Mar 09 12:10
cubexyzand HP bought it so...Mar 09 12:10
sebsebsebwhat about WebOSMar 09 12:11
sebsebsebI don't reallly know much about itMar 09 12:11
sebsebsebjust that it runs Linux :)Mar 09 12:11
abeNd-orgits greatMar 09 12:11
abeNd-orgits free to try in a virtual environment with the free PDKMar 09 12:11
sebsebsebPDK ?Mar 09 12:11
cubexyzthe trouble is where would one buy a linux HP computer?Mar 09 12:11
cubexyzdirectly from HP?Mar 09 12:12
sebsebsebcubexyz: the link I gaveMar 09 12:12
sebsebsebsaid all new HP computers shipped next yearMar 09 12:12
sebsebsebwill have WebOSMar 09 12:12
abeNd-org  http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1970&Itemid=20 & http://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1744  Mar 09 12:12
abeNd-orgits a virtualbox vm, works greatMar 09 12:12
cubexyzhmmmMar 09 12:12
sebsebsebabeNd-org: oh so there isn't a installer for webos?Mar 09 12:12
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abeNd-orgnot currentlyMar 09 12:13
cubexyzbut what about the Microsoftt Tax?Mar 09 12:13
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abeNd-orgnot one that *I* know of anywaysMar 09 12:13
sebsebsebcubexyz: most Hp's will dual boot with Windows it seemsMar 09 12:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Second Jumper From The Daily - http://bit.ly/gTyRn9 didn't take long... ( @AntDeRosa @robinwauters) #publishing #ipadMar 09 12:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Land mines for open source in mobile - http://bit.ly/hnSJEs good points #opensource #smartphonesMar 09 12:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sting culture and #NPR’s capitulation to falsehood - http://bit.ly/fY6uiI "letting liars take over our public discourse"; worrying trendMar 09 12:13
sebsebsebread the link I guessMar 09 12:13
sebsebsebabeNd-org: Someone mentioned I could try out Android on a PC, you got a link for that?Mar 09 12:14
abeNd-org  Android - https://code.google.com/p/android-x86/downloads/list - just boot the iso in vmware & you can use the mail app or add touchdown to test the local network connectivity (or external if you are external)  Mar 09 12:14
sebsebsebhmmMar 09 12:14
abeNd-orgsome of the iso are built specifically for different netbooksMar 09 12:14
sebsebsebright, but can Android apps work like that?Mar 09 12:14
sebsebsebalso you recommend vmware?  I would use VirtualboxMar 09 12:15
abeNd-orgif you have a data connection, they dont careMar 09 12:15
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: the webos one is virtualbox nativeMar 09 12:15
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abeNd-orgi have vmware workstation license from work, so thats what i use for most thingsMar 09 12:15
sebsebseboh right okMar 09 12:15
abeNd-orgbut im sure the android-x86 iso would work fine booting from virtualbox tooMar 09 12:16
abeNd-organd you just mouse around as if it was a touchscreenMar 09 12:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] IE9: A More Beautiful Web Launches on March 14th - http://bit.ly/fft5Db indeed: one based on open standards #ie #html5Mar 09 12:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] NPR: Help us figure out which Senator killed #Whistleblower Protection - http://bit.ly/hyqeqB nothing to hide, nothing to fear, no?Mar 09 12:16
abeNd-orgive had to use it for testing our exchange & groupwise activesync customersMar 09 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stephen Fry’s Big Digital Day and our hack room - http://bit.ly/enauHD "to bring industry together for a single day of inspiring exchange"Mar 09 12:20
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abeNd-orgi should see if angry birds runs well in the vm...Mar 09 12:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Feds Really Do Seem To Think That Linking To Infringing Content Can Be A Jailable Offense - http://bit.ly/hcGxuS Web haters, it seemsMar 09 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.—Thomas Paine ♻ @cosmologistMar 09 12:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why the Cookie Monster Won’t Kill European Startups - http://bit.ly/ftMMlc useful corrective to earlier fearsMar 09 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @bob_sutor: Blog post: Land mines for open source in #mobile http://bit.ly/hIoDCm #mobile #opensource #free #software #gnu #linuxMar 09 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Open Compliance Focus for April is on Collaboration http://bit.ly/fdklo2 #linux #gnuMar 09 12:28
abeNd-orghttp://www.amazon.com/HP-HP-TOUCHPAD-TouchPad/dp/tech-data/B004JXWMICMar 09 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linux_pro: Canonical Changes Ubuntu Naming Conventions - http://is.gd/pQDZtT #ubuntu #canonical #communityMar 09 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Minty Freshness: New LMDE Theme Based On Orta, Created By SkiesOfAzel http://bit.ly/hEcdGoMar 09 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Chomping through email...Mar 09 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Pls help us welcome #Panasonic at Gold level of mbership. http://bit.ly/e635tt #gnu #linuxMar 09 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Watching @methoddan on http://live.twit.tv/ -- say hello to @acedtect from me, Dan! :DMar 09 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Panasonic Joins Linux Foundation http://is.gd/JnY5vX #gnu #linux #software #microsoft #windowsMar 09 12:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FLOSS Weekly live with @methoddan right now: http://live.twit.tvMar 09 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya a perfect example of the media whipping boy. Who is going to complain? Nobody so fill your boots in safety. #safegroupclosureMar 09 12:35
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sebsebsebabeNd-org: GoForbes28 cubexyz  Is Android really that amazing? Ok yes yes, it runs Linux, but doesn't help with Desktop Linux, also it helps Google a lot, so really it's Google hype?Mar 09 12:38
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sebsebseboh jono you moved house and also changed ISP at same time or?Mar 09 12:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] http://www.usbtypewriter.com -- Wow.... OoMar 09 12:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "This video contains content from UMG. It is not available in your country."Mar 09 12:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @snarf: #Inkscape 0.48.1 is out! http://is.gd/rzGF7gMar 09 12:43
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: it makes for a nice phoneOS, like WebOS, a nice alternative to iOS & all the rabid apple fansMar 09 12:44
abeNd-orgbut it is no desktop or even true netbook osMar 09 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @corenominal: ♺ @fabsh: FLOSS Weekly live with @methoddan right now: http://live.twit.tv - topic SELinuxMar 09 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I would like anyone who feels that NATO is far better behaved than #Libya to let me know about it and tell me why.Mar 09 12:45
sebsebsebabeNd-org: Android is really for phones yeah, and well ok sure nice  Iphone and Windows Phone 7 / Windows Mobile Phone alternative indeed, but other then that, it's just a load of hype isn't it?Mar 09 12:45
sebsebsebI mean it's the most used one at the moment, but why?Mar 09 12:45
sebsebsebsince Google is behind it, and Google has a lot of hype?Mar 09 12:45
abeNd-orghype helps, the fact winmob7 sucks helps & people who hate apple are going androidMar 09 12:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Legislature passes bill to teach U.S. is republic - http://bit.ly/e1MFMU none of that socialist "democracy" rubbish... #politicsMar 09 12:46
sebsebsebuh as well as a lot of well consumers, who don't really know about this stuffMar 09 12:46
sebsebsebjust go for it, because it's very popularMar 09 12:46
sebsebseb?Mar 09 12:46
abeNd-orgyea, most people go into a phone store & dont know what they are buyingMar 09 12:47
sebsebseblet's take BBC Click for exampleMar 09 12:47
sebsebsebUK technology programMar 09 12:47
sebsebsebAndroid, Iphone, Windows phone 7,  maybe something about Blackberry at times, but that's pretty much it for the phonesMar 09 12:48
cubexyzis that still being made sebsebseb?Mar 09 12:48
cubexyzre: BBC ClickMar 09 12:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @beabusaniche #transparencia en la negociación del TLC Mercosur Unión Europea, Acompañanos en esta iniciativa http://ur1.ca/3fuy2Mar 09 12:48
sebsebseblet's take OS's for that show, well mainly Windows and then Mac here and there, and on occassion something about LinuxMar 09 12:48
sebsebsebcubexyz: yep every weekMar 09 12:48
sebsebseblet's take social networkingMar 09 12:48
cubexyzwell at least they show Linux sometimesMar 09 12:48
abeNd-orgblackberry, its too bad, they have great corporate security, but the interface is just sadMar 09 12:48
sebsebsebmainly Facebook and Twitter, mainly I say, more like pretty much onlyMar 09 12:48
sebsebsebabeNd-org: what I am finding now days with tech, is that most of the stuff that is really popular, sucks reallyMar 09 12:49
cubexyzwe had a tech show too, but it was on at 5 am Mar 09 12:49
sebsebsebnow days, more like I started to find this out years ago in 2004Mar 09 12:49
cubexyzthey talked about Linux vs BSDMar 09 12:49
sebsebsebcubexyz: well BBC Click is on at 11:30am on Saturday mornings, and they have a shorter version that comes on in the night some time or whateverMar 09 12:49
sebsebseb,but it's on BBC News channel, so has the like news head lines at the bottom which sucks, if watching it live Mar 09 12:50
cubexyzwe had bites and bytes back in the 80'sMar 09 12:50
sebsebsebso I tend to watch it on our catch up TV :) and if it's not there online on the BBC IplayerMar 09 12:50
cubexyzsebsebseb, so available for download?Mar 09 12:50
sebsebsebabeNd-org: let's take browsers uhmm from what I have seen of Firefox 4,  I am not 100% sure about it's directionMar 09 12:50
sebsebsebit seems ok, butMar 09 12:50
sebsebsebI coudn't add a reload button it seemsMar 09 12:50
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: i have some issues with my motorola droid, it does get slow at times, but so does my palm pre, & so did my blackberry, they are all under powered, over app'ed & have too weak of a batteryMar 09 12:50
sebsebsebabeNd-org: and well I love Firefox, but I am not quite sure what they been doing the last year or so with FIrefox 4 in development from what I seen of itMar 09 12:51
sebsebsebcubexyz: well Iplayer is UK only, you can watch webscape the website reviews and such from outside UK though, and I think a clip on the click siteMar 09 12:51
cubexyzhmmMar 09 12:51
sebsebsebcubexyz: ,but sure I guess some where, there would be torrents of it, that aren't legal for exampleMar 09 12:52
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sebsebsebcubexyz: maybe you can watch on the site in USA, but no probably notMar 09 12:52
sebsebsebanyway there are ways round the country stuff and sites, but not meant to do that reallyMar 09 12:52
cubexyzI'm Canada, it's part of the Commonwealth :-0Mar 09 12:52
sebsebsebcubexyz: well you can try watching online on the Iplayer, but as far as I know UK onlyMar 09 12:53
sebsebseband no the clip would show on the main bbc click site not the showMar 09 12:53
sebsebsebcubexyz: anyway I found out recently, that they are appearing on the site, for a year now :)Mar 09 12:53
sebsebsebor for a while evenMar 09 12:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #zdnet "#Microsoft to allow Eclipse, Mozilla licences for WP7 apps" with comments from @karsten http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fs !fsfeMar 09 12:55
cubexyzI'd download Bits and Bytes just for the historical infoMar 09 12:55
sebsebsebI said USA earlier, forgetting your in CanadaMar 09 12:55
sebsebsebah wellMar 09 12:55
sebsebsebstill North AmericaMar 09 12:55
cubexyzwhen did it start?Mar 09 12:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fsfeMar 09 12:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh the most useless thing ever conceived after the Ogino-Knaus methodMar 09 12:56
cubexyzoh wow, over 500 episodesMar 09 12:57
sebsebsebwhat of Click?Mar 09 12:57
cubexyzyesMar 09 12:57
sebsebsebthat show been around since uhmm not sure exactly I think 2001 or somethingMar 09 12:57
sebsebseb,but sadlyMar 09 12:57
sebsebsebI Mar 09 12:57
sebsebsebdidn't start watching it untill 2008 I think it  was or 2009Mar 09 12:57
abeNd-orgguess you can get iplayer in NA with a proxy... meh http://hubpages.com/hub/BBC-iPlayer-USAMar 09 12:57
cubexyzwell I'll check the site anywayMar 09 12:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @brionv: Farewell, old friend Shuttle... we'll miss you! http://leuksman.com/log/2011/03/09/fare-well-old-friend-shuttle/Mar 09 12:58
sebsebsebcubexyz: the episodes that are over a year old, are gone as far as I knowMar 09 12:58
sebsebsebno way to legally download them, as far as I knowMar 09 12:58
cubexyzwatching the vids no probMar 09 12:59
sebsebsebcubexyz: you can see the short video on the click site probably no problem from outside UKMar 09 12:59
sebsebsebandMar 09 12:59
sebsebsebwebscapeMar 09 12:59
sebsebseb,but not the actsaul click episode as far as I knowMar 09 12:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @karsten: Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 < great stuffMar 09 13:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Unigine OilRush Barely Does 800 Sales To Date: While OilRush is the first Linux game using the Unigine Engine an... http://bit.ly/fWZmoTMar 09 13:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh I am old enough to have actually used mechanical typewriters - that's how I am on a 10-fingers blind typing. #annoyingMar 09 13:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya, Gaddafi's son's house in London festooned with protest banners police are relaxed about it. Well of course they are.Mar 09 13:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ntouk @hadleybeeman: Reminder: Public Data Corporation consultation responses due FRIDAY! need thoughts & insights http://bit.ly/f4lIZEMar 09 13:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Heading of to the !BUSC board meeting.Mar 09 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh actually I started with a QZERTY typewriter (Olivetti Valentine, by E. Sottssass, a masterpiece of style). Wicked!Mar 09 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @karsten: Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 !fsfeMar 09 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] finished up the QAIModel for libtaskmanager finally today; also practiced weighing veggies at the market. not quite used to that yet.Mar 09 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Sorry it's Sottsass, obviously. Read on http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivetti_Valentine (ITA)Mar 09 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Princes to start protecting our oceans - http://bit.ly/f83XNN amazing what a few emails can do #hacktivism #fishing #sustainabilityMar 09 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: Tell the New York Times to Apologize for Blaming a Child for Her Gang Rape | http://bit.ly/h4R4dBMar 09 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Torontonamo: #G20 SIU reopens another G20 case - CityNews http://bit.ly/fvbykCMar 09 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/every-hp-pc-shipped-next-year-will-have-webos/22928 Great !WebOS !Linux news :)Mar 09 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @kirschner well written article; great that we have people educating/reminding policy makers about these issues.Mar 09 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: Gaddaffi they're trying 2 steal our oil! No U mad fuck the noflyzone is 2 rstrct on U killing ur own ppl.http://bit.ly/e6xp9mMar 09 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The thought of #orcas in captivity for entertainment angers me. Please don't take your children to such shows. keepwhaleswild.orgMar 09 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @themadhatter: RT @alexhundert: Tell the New York Times to Apologize for Blaming a Child for Her Gang Rape | http://bit.ly/h4R4dBMar 09 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] :) #HP http://identi.ca/notice/66563406Mar 09 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Oh Oh, There's something rotten in the reign of Finland... http://ur1.ca/3fauwMar 09 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Warren Buffett's China car deal could backfire http://is.gd/jdYe5G !wlMar 09 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Leaked cables suggest US doubted Mexico prosecutor http://is.gd/VKVD15 !wlMar 09 13:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya Cameron and Sarkozy Re UN sing a nice duo of "so macho, gonna be so macho" #contemptMar 09 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Karimov Played U.S. Off Against Russia http://alturl.com/x2udz !wlMar 09 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] I AM THE DOCTOR http://ur1.ca/3fvki !miotdMar 09 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Al Jazeera, I love them and only channel I watch the adverts as they will never affect me :-)Mar 09 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy !wlMar 09 13:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Folks, Radeon HD 3650 AGP on Linux ? How does it behave ? Good ? Bad ? Avoid like the plague ? Any hint or tip is welcome. Thanks in advanceMar 09 13:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Fabien Tassin: !Chromium 10 in !Ubuntu http://goo.gl/PGBNZMar 09 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Kudos to @flat_world teaming up with @ohiohighered to provide 1000 free CC-licensed textbooks to Ohio students - http://goo.gl/Se1k9Mar 09 13:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @zwyback #Samsung's new tablet a thin little thing - http://b1t.it/cl7 !androidMar 09 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] What the world could be if idiots didn't run it (I wish I could move here) http://ur1.ca/3fvunMar 09 13:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The oldest space shuttle named discovery is retired. How many of its payloads were pointless military wankfests?Mar 09 13:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Adwaita 3.0 (the !GNOME 3 default theme) coolness http://goo.gl/6cOnbMar 09 14:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] In these dire times for public media, why is #NPR shooting itself in the foot? http://ur1.ca/3fvvtMar 09 14:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] What happens to shipping containers lost at sea? http://ur1.ca/3fvxaMar 09 14:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Switzerland an interesting example of Napoleonic law, some (maybe most) better than I thought.Mar 09 14:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Edubuntu WebLive Hits 15 000 Sessions http://goo.gl/CwYBDMar 09 14:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Karimov Played U.S. Off Against Russia http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63033 http://bit.ly/eNtyUgMar 09 14:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy http://bit.ly/gXByHvMar 09 14:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NPR: Help us figure out which Senator killed Whistleblower Protection http://ur1.ca/3fvytMar 09 14:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Activists seize Saif Gadaffi's London mansion http://ur1.ca/3fvzeMar 09 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya , What I have really reacted to against to the west's response is propaganda and hypocrisy. Believable?Mar 09 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Wisconsin capitol bans recording, flags, reading, balloons, chairs, bags, backpacks, photography, etc etc etc http://ur1.ca/3fvzjMar 09 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Now playing #Nasum - Human 2.0. It's so on it's not even funny. My feett might tap holes on the floor. #grindcoreMar 09 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Now playing #Nasum - Human 2.0. It's so on it's not even funny. My feet might tap holes on the floor. #grindcoreMar 09 14:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] This is one of the worst obstructions of justice I have ever read about pertaining to the legal system http://ur1.ca/3fw31 #fuckyouMar 09 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @dfrios: SVG Editor online: http://svg-edit.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/editor/svg-editor.html - #Inkscape #svgMar 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @allsystemsarego: #CLI apps, aggregated by topic and ranked http://cli-apps.org/index.php?xsortmode=high #LinuxMar 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @michelenlared: RD @rivenathos New #Linux screenshots forum - http://is.gd/OamF5m #debian #mint #ubuntuMar 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ovidiusoft: RT @novitro: #peblog: Cateva notiuni despre autentificarea cu doi factori http://bit.ly/dOLy0xMar 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @alina_mierlus: RT @mozpub: [Edinburgh] Some Mozillians including @cyberdees with be @techmeetup tonight. Come share beers and pizza!Mar 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetfedora: Jared Smith: One day remaining for #Fedora 16 name suggestions! http://bit.ly/fI5UKwMar 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @zwyback: #Foursquare 3.0 brings a world of new check-ins for customers, businesses - http://b1t.it/cl6 #androidMar 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh If I can find an old typewriter with the keys I need for writing code, I'll try to convert it to USB (but not by using that method)Mar 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @michelenlared: RD @toros Fabien Tassin: #Chromium 10 in #Ubuntu http://goo.gl/PGBNZMar 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Kinect Confirmed As Fastest-Selling Consumer Electronics Device - http://bit.ly/i2qMZ4 fascinating #microsoftMar 09 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: wikileaks: WikiLeaks: Divas and despots: the stars who sing for dictators http://is.gd/Z4Afdy http://bit.ly/gXByHvMar 09 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] 2011 British Met weather centre are still quoting snow fall in inches #BBCyouaremoreshitthantheworldknowsMar 09 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (Now With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) http://bit.ly/haXnuBMar 09 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] An alternative to pharmaceutical #patents - http://bit.ly/fbiKaD excellent analysis, practical proposal #drugs #pharmaMar 09 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I do not smoke but when industry bodies say you are smoking counterfeit brands with poisonous affects how do you check?Mar 09 14:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 217 dents!Mar 09 14:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Hunt saboteur Joe Hashman wins landmark ruling - http://bit.ly/fOzNqV "campaigner's beliefs are akin to religion under UK employment law"Mar 09 14:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The 'Stolen' Scream: Photographer Discovers His Image Is Everywhere... And Embraces It - http://bit.ly/e06m1c a tale with a moral #sharingMar 09 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Democrația necesită Software Liber http://is.gd/NDT54y #romania #software #fsfeMar 09 14:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] …lasting change does not happen until we unite behind what we want—not just against what we do not.—G.Monbiot http://ur1.ca/3fwig !qMar 09 14:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) http://goo.gl/foorbMar 09 15:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @openSUSE: Planet #openSUSE: Manu Gupta: openSUSE 11.3 http://bit.ly/fsqtTyMar 09 15:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @NeelieKroesEU: @digiphile: Gov 2.0 and open government take root in India [@HuffingtonPost] http://huff.to/hu6Luf #gov20 #opengov #gov2inMar 09 15:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wednesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/432490/rssMar 09 15:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft trying to divide and rule re #freesoftware in app store http://ur1.ca/3fv35 #fsfe (via @kgerloff )Mar 09 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RomaniaBizNews: #Google a lansat #Chrome 10 - http://blitzclick.ro/yJg3 #web #softwareMar 09 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @meegoexperts: Intellowares thoughts on #QML and #Qt Development for #MeeGo http://mge.bz/5F #Intel #Linux #NokiaMar 09 15:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: An alternative to pharmaceutical #patents - http://bit.ly/fbiKaD excellent analysis, practical proposal #drugs #pharmaMar 09 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The religious #rightwing is wrong: #USA's #religion isn't #Christianity, it's #freemarket #capitalism.Mar 09 15:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Ubuntu Netbook Edition folded into Ubuntu for next release http://is.gd/eDgrs7 #ubuntu #gnu #linuxMar 09 15:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrightsMar 09 15:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrights via @amMar 09 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @satipera: USA Michigan Republicans think they can do what they want. http://is.gd/afTs9T #workersrights via @amMar 09 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] CentOS 5.6 expected for Monday, March 14th http://is.gd/76KOZD #centos #centos5 #gnu #linux #redhat #fedora #softwareMar 09 15:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Judge eviscerates #P2P lawyer: "I accepted you at your word" - http://bit.ly/hkRGFR what a fab slap-down #copyrightMar 09 15:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] NYT and "torture": Searching for a justification - http://bit.ly/eAVvWJ nailing the NYT's pusillanimous double standards #tortureMar 09 15:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: Judge eviscerates #P2P lawyer: "I accepted you at your word" - http://bit.ly/hkRGFR what a fab slap-down #copyrightMar 09 15:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Breaking news from the west "You had better watch yourself everybody, we will do what we want when we want, but the law applies to you" #lawMar 09 15:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Ada Initiative kicks off census http://lwn.net/Articles/432529/rssMar 09 15:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @EDRi_org: EDRi-gram 9.5: French decree establishes what data must be retained by hosting providers http://bit.ly/fWMd3HMar 09 15:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @EDRi_org: EDRi-gram 9.5: #SWIFT agreement implementation not respecting data protection safeguards http://bit.ly/fjo5FjMar 09 15:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @encyclomundi @GreySkyThinking: Sometimes it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel. That's energy saving bulbs for youMar 09 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: OpenLogic Research Finds Mobile Apps Fail to Comply with OSS Licenses http://bit.ly/fdyvIG #linux #gnu #mobile #openlogicMar 09 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @psquid: I regularly suffer memory leaks. Or as I call them, "dents".Mar 09 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back from !BUSC board meeting, Looks like we are generally in good shape for #Taming. :DMar 09 16:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DOINGMar 09 16:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] #nokmsft - Android looks almost ready on n900. Too bad that I will never be able to run WP7 on it. Hmm.Mar 09 16:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @psquid To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DO ...Mar 09 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat 'virtualizes' data with new JBoss ESB (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/hNLp6XMar 09 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @psquid To anyone who sets up an identi.ca account, hooks up twitterfeed to forward tweets here, and never properly dents: YOU ARE DO ...Mar 09 16:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] AWESOME!!! "She Don't Like Firefly" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-yHSaP0DygMar 09 16:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @mairin @colby_hoke @robdelaney: NPR head resigns after calling Tea Party "racist" Tomorrow, NASA head to resign after calling space "big"Mar 09 16:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I just took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011Mar 09 16:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] A genuinely extraordinary piece of sophistry by Elder Dallin H. Oaks http://ping.fm/oZBLIMar 09 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra F16 codename clearly has to be "Fighting Falcon" http://outl.ws/eHy2qgMar 09 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Sorry, heybuddy foiled me there.... ooMar 09 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Data Says #Money Might Buy #Happiness, But Happiness Might Not Be What You Want - http://bit.ly/fl0z0g deep & subtle pointMar 09 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh don't blame the buddy ;) apologies are unnecessaryMar 09 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra LOL ;)Mar 09 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yay! My @MyMCServ server is ready! #MinecraftMar 09 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @DivaDanese: Known problem (slowness loading some #wikipedia pages) in parts of Europe today. Team already working on the issue #wikimediaMar 09 16:20
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Daemonfcjono: The Ubuntu Natty security certificate signing system is having a bad dayMar 09 16:26
Daemonfcwhat have you been feeding it? :)Mar 09 16:26
Daemonfcalso, I've ran into two KDE 4.6.1 bugs that are particularly annoying, though they are upstream bugsMar 09 16:27
Daemonfcthey must be or they wouldn't happen in every KDE distributionMar 09 16:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Last time, I visited Cairo, I went to the pyramids. This time, my host is offering to take me to Tahrir Square.Mar 09 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Wiki Wednesday: March 9, 2011 http://mzl.la/ie1IJGMar 09 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup http://goo.gl/z7jshMar 09 16:30
oiaohmHP just announce WebOS on every computer they ship.Mar 09 16:32
oiaohmSo this will mean lot more Linux friendly hardware out there.Mar 09 16:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @tdfischer: All hail the @beefymiracle! #FedoraMar 09 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: Only one day left of F16 name proposals before I MOVE ONWARD. The mustard indicates progress! http://ur1.ca/3fwhrMar 09 16:33
MinceRwill they ship them without m$ tax, at least optionally?Mar 09 16:33
Daemonfcyeah, I noticed the Treacherous Computing support in Linux 2.6.38Mar 09 16:33
DaemonfcTrusted ExecutionMar 09 16:33
DaemonfcIntegrity Management InfrastructureMar 09 16:33
Daemonfcletting the TPM generate binary blob crypto keys and spitting them out to userspace programsMar 09 16:34
Daemonfcfun timesMar 09 16:34
Daemonfconce that starts getting flipped on in the name of security, it means you have no idea what your computer is up toMar 09 16:34
Daemonfcthe TPM is a black box by designMar 09 16:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] congrats to #Spurs, #ChampionsLeague win tonight !football, doubt any other club would want to draw Spurs, they surprised more than a fewMar 09 16:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @guardiantech: Space shuttle Discovery landing marks beginning of the end http://bit.ly/hr883EMar 09 16:35
MinceRcan't you just blacklist its modules?Mar 09 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Chernobyl, My Primeval, Teeming, Irradiated Eden - http://bit.ly/emUWp3 wonderfully evocative journalism (v @wickwox) #evolutionMar 09 16:36
Daemonfcyou can build the kernel without them and your TPM will be functionlessMar 09 16:37
oiaohmMinceR: Yes you can blacklist modules.Mar 09 16:37
MinceRDaemonfc: just the way i like itMar 09 16:37
oiaohmBut TPM is built as a core kernel part.Mar 09 16:37
Daemonfcbut it's obviously to turn Chrome OS and WebOS into systems with no user controlMar 09 16:37
MinceRof course i like my PC TPMlessMar 09 16:37
oiaohmAlso TPM can be working from bios down.Mar 09 16:37
oiaohmIe TPM can result in bios not loading the bootloader.Mar 09 16:37
Daemonfcthat's where WebOS and Chrome OS are going, using TPM modules in the Linux kernel to enslave the userMar 09 16:38
MinceRi thought that was optionalMar 09 16:38
oiaohmThen the bootloader not loading the kernel you want.Mar 09 16:38
Daemonfcnot if it's 1. Baked into your EFI (WebOS)Mar 09 16:38
MinceRand that the usual idea was to just checksum whatever you load as long as they trust itMar 09 16:38
Daemonfcor 2. Won't boot without it (Chrome OS)Mar 09 16:38
oiaohmTPM is a double sided sword.Mar 09 16:39
MinceRnot sure about that, their demo netbook had a switch to let you put any firmware on itMar 09 16:39
Daemonfcwhat good is having Chromium OS source if the TPM in everything Chrome OS is sold in won't let the user modify anything anyway?Mar 09 16:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I have decided to stop moaning about Fedora release names and implement my own fighter jet related naming scheme for the distro from now on.Mar 09 16:40
oiaohmGoogle Chrome OS machines have a TPM boot lock off switch.Mar 09 16:40
oiaohmWith the TPM on tampering is very hard.Mar 09 16:41
Daemonfcit's security, from you the userMar 09 16:41
Daemonfcthe guy who bought the fucking deviceMar 09 16:41
Daemonfcand (theoretically) owns itMar 09 16:41
oiaohmChrome OS case where the device has switch on and off.Mar 09 16:41
oiaohmIts not from the user.Mar 09 16:41
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oiaohmSince while the boot lock is off you can change the TPM settings.Mar 09 16:42
DaemonFCwhoopsMar 09 16:42
DaemonFCheheMar 09 16:42
oiaohmUser with direct access to the machine can mess with it under that system.Mar 09 16:42
DaemonFCthis open source video driver stack is so fragile that it either works great or fails completelyMar 09 16:42
DaemonFCdepending on whatever way the wind is blowingMar 09 16:42
oiaohmBut remote user is shot while its on.Mar 09 16:42
oiaohmDaemonFC: Its getting less fragileMar 09 16:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I'm soon gonna switch to F15 Eagle Alpha. I will miss Tomcat, it was a great release!Mar 09 16:43
DaemonFCit fails if you use Transparent Huge PagesMar 09 16:43
DaemonFCit fails if you remove the Big Kernel LockMar 09 16:43
DaemonFCit gets angry if you use a preemptive kernelMar 09 16:44
DaemonFCand it decides to disable color tiling at random depending on what 2.6.38 rc you are usingMar 09 16:44
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 16:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: That's what F14 was called. I certainly like it, but i came back having last tried F10 - the leap was amazingMar 09 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @frostbite: Tried out ubuntu 11.04 a3=not accessibleMar 09 16:45
oiaohmTransparent Huge Pages ok that is understandable new ish feature driver bugs might be found.Mar 09 16:45
MinceRstrangeMar 09 16:45
MinceRpreemptible kernel isn't exactly new :>Mar 09 16:45
DaemonFCUnity is obviously a cheap Mac OS ripoffMar 09 16:45
DaemonFCfor people with reading disorders I guess since everything is an icon nowMar 09 16:45
oiaohmBig Kernel Lock  Nothing newish should be depending on it.Mar 09 16:45
DaemonFCFGLRX falls down, goes boom without itMar 09 16:46
DaemonFCbut there's unofficial patches to the glue layer that fix thatMar 09 16:46
oiaohmThe unofficial patches create a new lock that is FGLRX only.Mar 09 16:46
MinceR:>Mar 09 16:46
DaemonFCFGLRX only seems to depend on BKL in one or two places, AMD could probably use spinlocks thereMar 09 16:47
DaemonFCsince that's what the unofficial patch doesMar 09 16:47
oiaohmExactly there is no techical reason for FGLRX to be using BKL in the first place.Mar 09 16:47
DaemonFCi.e, it's like ReiserFS de-BKLificationMar 09 16:47
oiaohmIt was miss use.Mar 09 16:47
DaemonFCit doesn't work better, but it won't explodeMar 09 16:47
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 16:47
oiaohmThere was tones and Tones of Miss use.Mar 09 16:48
DaemonFCI can't believe Ubuntu even lets you install to ReiserFS anymoreMar 09 16:48
DaemonFCwhat year is this?Mar 09 16:48
oiaohmSo almost the last one is FGLRX itselfMar 09 16:48
oiaohmReiserFS is still maintained.Mar 09 16:48
DaemonFCpoorlyMar 09 16:48
DaemonFConly enough to avoid build failures and to make sure it won't breakMar 09 16:48
DaemonFCit's not getting new features, it's not getting fasterMar 09 16:48
DaemonFCin fact, it hasn't been touched since the BKL removal that made it actually slowerMar 09 16:49
DaemonFCin 2.6.33?Mar 09 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: I think F10 was the first Linux I tried and the lack of codec support confused me back then :)Mar 09 16:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #illinois great news. They have banned the death sentence and joined civilisation #notretributionMar 09 16:50
DaemonFCHans Reiser's claims of being faster than Ext3 were dubious and ReiserFS is a nightmare to recover anything from if the file system becomes corruptMar 09 16:50
DaemonFCit's time to just disable the option for new installsMar 09 16:50
DaemonFCsave the newbies from themselvesMar 09 16:50
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 16:50
DaemonFCJFS and ReiserFS, nobody should be using themMar 09 16:51
DaemonFCat allMar 09 16:51
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 16:51
DaemonFCthey're old, barely maintained, are slow, have lots of documented problems, and don't get along with SELinux, Tomoyo, or SmackMar 09 16:51
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 16:51
oiaohmDaemonFC: Mine you is it transpartent huge pages or is it memory defraging.Mar 09 16:51
MinceRyes, also disable the option to choose what should happen when you close the lid of the laptopMar 09 16:52
DaemonFCyour system should fail to sleep and turn into the EZ Bake Laptop of courseMar 09 16:52
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 16:52
DaemonFC(Mac)Mar 09 16:52
MinceR:>Mar 09 16:52
MinceRthey're pretty close to that even if they're open, afaikMar 09 16:52
DaemonFCyes, and they still never fixed the discoloration problem eitherMar 09 16:53
DaemonFCthat pretty finishing wears down and the case starts yellowingMar 09 16:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] you have to wonder at the world we're now living in sometimes http://tighturl.com/2zsg football car sticker c********dMar 09 16:53
oiaohmDaemonFC: Really you stated why Ubuntu has it.Mar 09 16:53
DaemonFCthat's been a problem on their systems since PowerPC was still aroundMar 09 16:53
DaemonFCUbuntu does not have THPMar 09 16:53
DaemonFCit is disabled in their KconfigMar 09 16:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: ReiserFS and  apparmor worksMar 09 16:54
DaemonFCyes because AppArmor doesn't need to label the file systemMar 09 16:54
DaemonFCXFS works with all MAC implementations in the kernelMar 09 16:54
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 16:54
oiaohmTomoyo does not need labels either.Mar 09 16:54
DaemonFCas do Ext2, 3, and 4Mar 09 16:54
oiaohmTomoyo tech is what made Apparmor partly work.Mar 09 16:55
DaemonFCCrappArmor is there the let malicious stuff happen while the user is busy dealing with the problems it is causingMar 09 16:56
DaemonFCthe DBUS failure to load hilarityMar 09 16:56
DaemonFCFirefox not being able to download files or access the GTK+ theming engineMar 09 16:56
DaemonFCif it's so easy, why does Ubuntu misconfigure it?Mar 09 16:56
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MinceRapparmor is pathname-based, isn't it? weren't there issues with that? or it was the other way around?Mar 09 16:56
MinceRhttp://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090323080940/http://www.appledefects.com/?p=15Mar 09 16:57
oiaohmMinceR: Yes there were path based issues.Mar 09 16:58
oiaohmMinceR:  Tomoyo designed a new system for handling path based that is solid.Mar 09 16:59
MinceRicMar 09 16:59
oiaohmMinceR:  And apparmor got migrated to that.Mar 09 16:59
MinceRwhat did they do?Mar 09 16:59
oiaohmMinceR: Add means to solve to raw device holding the file.Mar 09 16:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] printf style debugging of any program (even proprietary) as long as you have .h http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2011/03/09/ann-liblogger/Mar 09 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Myths and patent reform | http://bit.ly/ffddWw #innovationMar 09 17:00
oiaohmPrior to Tomoyo the VFS was a universal mask of I don't have a clue where that file is coming from.Mar 09 17:00
MinceRi think i understandMar 09 17:00
oiaohmYes VFS had to know the raw device that was holding the file.Mar 09 17:01
oiaohmBut it was telling no one.Mar 09 17:01
DaemonFCSELinux never had this problem because it doesn't ask the VFS what's going onMar 09 17:02
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 17:02
oiaohmDaemonFC: SELinux did have this problem early on.Mar 09 17:02
oiaohmDaemonFC: why they went labels.Mar 09 17:03
oiaohmIe labels are a hack that works around the issue.Mar 09 17:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] There's a special place in hell for web designers/devs who put hovering toolbars across the bottom of websites.Mar 09 17:05
oiaohmOne of the things Tomoyo does different to Apparmor is hardlinks are forbin unless approved by Tomoyo.Mar 09 17:05
DaemonFCI have to ask, but why does Ubuntu need to apply 11 MB of patches to the kernel?Mar 09 17:05
oiaohmAnd that is due to a limtiation.Mar 09 17:05
oiaohmDaemonFC: 11 MB of patches I really don't know why.Mar 09 17:06
oiaohmDaemonFC: Do you have a patch list contianed.Mar 09 17:06
DaemonFCno, they release it as one giant blobMar 09 17:06
DaemonFCwithout breaking out any of themMar 09 17:06
DaemonFCvery little commenting on what's going onMar 09 17:07
DaemonFCor why they need to change anythingMar 09 17:07
MinceRsounds a lot like what a certain other distro started doing recently :>Mar 09 17:11
DaemonFC"Say N here unless you're an XFS developer, or play one on TV"Mar 09 17:12
DaemonFCheheMar 09 17:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Me too! ♺ @jledbetter: I just took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011Mar 09 17:15
DaemonFCI always exclude staging driversMar 09 17:15
DaemonFCspeaking of which, hv is still thereMar 09 17:15
DaemonFCMinceR's favoriteMar 09 17:15
MinceRhype-v?Mar 09 17:15
DaemonFCyeahMar 09 17:15
MinceR:>Mar 09 17:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft and Novell keep it just fixed up enough to continue on in the staging treeMar 09 17:15
DaemonFCthey don't want anyone to actually be able to use it without paying themMar 09 17:16
DaemonFCso it always has bugsMar 09 17:16
MinceR:>Mar 09 17:16
MinceRdoes anyone have hype-v without paying them?Mar 09 17:16
MinceRi mean, legallyMar 09 17:16
DaemonFCon the Windows side, you pay for Windows, obviouslyMar 09 17:16
DaemonFCthey don't want a non-Novell Linux supporting it and people using the Linux guest support for freeMar 09 17:17
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 17:17
oiaohmNovell has a hacked up verson of KVM that can use hyper-v drivers.Mar 09 17:17
DaemonFCMicrosoft gets you on the way in, Novell gets you on the way outMar 09 17:17
oiaohmBut really its pointless since most KVM native drivers for Windows are better performing.Mar 09 17:17
MinceR:>Mar 09 17:17
MinceRaren't there untainted virtio drivers for KVM anyway?Mar 09 17:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Trying out #xfce on my home workstationMar 09 17:18
DaemonFCMicrosoft sells the problem then Novell says they have the cureMar 09 17:19
DaemonFCblessed binaries and patent licenses = "Interop"Mar 09 17:19
MinceRyou can buy problems that enable you to buy even more problemsMar 09 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Install your !statusnet server ♺ @micu: Revolution failed: !Facebook not available in #Egypt: http://is.gd/R438hC !FSFE !FOSS !FLOSS !FSMar 09 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL ♺ @yamanickill: I won't tell anyone that minecraft.net is back up.... !loMar 09 17:31
DaemonFCMinceR: a Mixed Source EnvironmentMar 09 17:32
DaemonFCi.e., We don't care what you use as long as you pay usMar 09 17:33
MinceR:>Mar 09 17:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup http://bit.ly/goNUf4Mar 09 17:35
DaemonFCMinceR expects only the best in ISV support for his MSE, so he chooses the best IT solutions for his VM decisions.Mar 09 17:36
DaemonFCB-)Mar 09 17:36
MinceRi also roll dice on bullshit bingo cardsMar 09 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US-Libya Relations: Surviving the Wikileaks Controversy? http://alturl.com/93fs9 !wlMar 09 17:36
MinceR:>Mar 09 17:36
DaemonFCI want to know why Microsoft WOULD buy more SuSE couponsMar 09 17:37
DaemonFCNovell is already bankrupt and begging to be sold on the cheap to some no name outfitMar 09 17:37
MinceRprobably to keep novell sort of aliveMar 09 17:37
DaemonFCwho would buy a support contract from them?Mar 09 17:37
DaemonFC10 years? You may not even get 1Mar 09 17:37
MinceRthe same kind of people who would buy m$ productsMar 09 17:37
MinceRor assist nigerian royalty to move their money abroadMar 09 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @jfred99: What is software philosophy? Why does it matter? What is #free software? Here's some very clear answers http://is.gd/EqaEk2Mar 09 17:38
MinceRor buy crApple productsMar 09 17:38
DaemonFCI knew something was deeply wrong when I booted up OpenSuSE 10.3 and was greeting by an EXE file which had dlls included running in a .Net cloneMar 09 17:38
MinceRor buy snake oilMar 09 17:38
MinceRor buy adobe productsMar 09 17:38
MinceRetc.Mar 09 17:38
MinceRwell, that's what suse is aboutMar 09 17:39
MinceRpromoting monoMar 09 17:39
DaemonFCwhy do they name them EXE and DLL?Mar 09 17:39
DaemonFCdoes it matter what the extension is?Mar 09 17:39
MinceRbecause when m$ designs a "portable" system they spread windowsisms all aroundMar 09 17:39
MinceRthat's how your .net/mono binaries end up with PE headersMar 09 17:39
MinceRwith stub code written for dos or winblows, maybe bothMar 09 17:40
MinceRand some people don't see anything wrong with this, of courseMar 09 17:40
MinceRbecause winblows is so greatMar 09 17:40
MinceRespecially dllsMar 09 17:40
MinceR(they couldn't even implement shared libraries properly...)Mar 09 17:40
DaemonFCyeah, they have the header "This program can not be run in MS-DOS mode"Mar 09 17:40
DaemonFCon every Mono EXEMar 09 17:40
DaemonFCB-)Mar 09 17:40
MinceR(if you're lucky, two processes _might_ share the same copy of the same dll in memory)Mar 09 17:41
cubexyzdlls are used if you use wineMar 09 17:41
DaemonFCwithout both of them crashing you mean?Mar 09 17:41
MinceR(and if something goes wrong in loading a dll, you'll never find out what it was)Mar 09 17:41
MinceRno, they just play with memory addressesMar 09 17:41
MinceRbecause position-independent code is something that happens to other peopleMar 09 17:41
MinceRso if you aren't lucky, those addresses are already used by some other module of your executableMar 09 17:42
DaemonFCIn the Windows world, it's OK to have 12 different versions of the same dll to hide the fact that binary software has dependency issuesMar 09 17:42
MinceRthat tooMar 09 17:42
MinceRit's also ok to name them the exact same thingMar 09 17:42
MinceRwhich consists of 6 random letters and 2 random numbers, with ".dll" tacked on at the endMar 09 17:43
MinceRand sometimes stuff is loaded by addresses hardcoded into the .exe, it seemsMar 09 17:43
MinceRbasically if you want to know how to implement something the least sane way, you can look at how m$ did somethingMar 09 17:44
DaemonFCVBRUN600.DLL NOT FOUND! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! We must go back to 1998 and find a copy! :-)Mar 09 17:44
MinceR:>Mar 09 17:44
MinceRyou can go try 12 copies and maybe one of them won't crash your applicationMar 09 17:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How could #copyright infringement possibly deter visitors to a country? http://ow.ly/4bfJo I'm confusedMar 09 17:45
DaemonFCWindows Answer = Install every version of every DLL on the Windows 7 DVD then find reasons to excuse the lack of space for drivers.Mar 09 17:45
MinceR:>Mar 09 17:45
DaemonFCPRO TIP: You get to go on a hunt for more later!'Mar 09 17:45
cubexyza lot of Loki stuff won't run easily on a modern distroMar 09 17:45
MinceRnonfree crap breaks easilyMar 09 17:46
cubexyztrueMar 09 17:46
DaemonFCthat's because it's binary/proprietary cannot be updated and built against new librariesMar 09 17:46
MinceRbut at least the name of the shared objects actually means somethingMar 09 17:46
DaemonFCsame problem Windows has with EVERYTHINGMar 09 17:46
MinceRlike the major version being the version of the interfaceMar 09 17:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Example of anti-semitic attacks on WikiLeaks http://alturl.com/k5hti !wlMar 09 17:46
MinceRand it tends to be the only thing that matters as far as actually being able to load and use the .so goesMar 09 17:46
MinceR(if arch is correct, of course)Mar 09 17:47
cubexyzthank goodness for LFS and coreboot ;-)Mar 09 17:47
cubexyzok, I know, too hard-core Mar 09 17:47
MinceR:>Mar 09 17:47
DaemonFCFedora still provides (optional) compatibility versions of old glibc and suchMar 09 17:47
MinceRthat's nice of themMar 09 17:48
DaemonFCincluding their broken "2.96" releaseMar 09 17:48
DaemonFCfrom Red Hat 7Mar 09 17:48
MinceRcertain other distros don't seem to careMar 09 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bonnshakespeare: The cast for #TamingOfTheShrew is now official: http://busc.de #buscMar 09 17:48
cubexyztoo bad loki couldn't or wouldn't open source their gamesMar 09 17:48
DaemonFCRed Hat had their arguments for calling it GCC 2.96 and releasing itMar 09 17:49
DaemonFCthe problem was the Linux kernel code was so bad that almost everything broke when fed to a standards compliant compilerMar 09 17:49
DaemonFCat that timeMar 09 17:49
DaemonFCso they ended up having to ship a second gcc dubbed, kgcc to build the kernelMar 09 17:49
cubexyzthat's kind of why I have so many Linux boxes with different versionsMar 09 17:49
DaemonFC:)Mar 09 17:49
MinceRyet RH7 was a breath of fresh air after winblowsMar 09 17:50
cubexyzyou could go back further than thatMar 09 17:50
cubexyzwhat was big in 1995?Mar 09 17:50
DaemonFCI remember grabbing Linux 2.6.0 and building it for MandrakeMar 09 17:50
MinceRthat's what i started on, thoughMar 09 17:50
DaemonFCI didn't feel like waitingMar 09 17:50
DaemonFCMandrake was a few months away from another release and I was sick of 2.4 and its damned lagMar 09 17:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] OTVArabic - Wikileaks Episode 1 http://alturl.com/oeoco !wlMar 09 17:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bonnshakespeare: If you ever wanted to learn how to direct a stage play, join us this weekend. More info: http://busc.deMar 09 17:51
cubexyzI played around with BeOS in 1997Mar 09 17:52
DaemonFCthere were various low latency patches floating around for Linux 2.4 that helpedMar 09 17:52
DaemonFCbut it was still quite badMar 09 17:52
DaemonFCthe solution to the problem is of course, to not discuss the problemMar 09 17:52
DaemonFCwhat problem? there is no problem!Mar 09 17:53
cubexyzI guess Yggdrasil topped out in 1995Mar 09 17:53
DaemonFCthen after 2.6 was out, they started to say "Hey use 2.6, 2.4 has LAAAAAG!"Mar 09 17:53
cubexyzand Redhat started what, 1994 or soMar 09 17:53
DaemonFC1993Mar 09 17:53
cubexyzah okMar 09 17:53
cubexyzwikipedia says Red Hat 1.0 in Nov 1994Mar 09 17:55
DaemonFCthey had pre-1.0 iircMar 09 17:55
MinceRDaemonFC: probably that's when people started to have something to compare the lag toMar 09 17:55
MinceR:>Mar 09 17:55
DaemonFCthey had betas out in MayMar 09 17:55
DaemonFCfor a long time their answer to KDE was to just ignore itMar 09 17:55
DaemonFCthen they started supporting it, badlyMar 09 17:56
cubexyzso what was the first redhat with KDE?Mar 09 17:56
DaemonFCbreaking it to be as dumbed down as GNOMEMar 09 17:56
DaemonFCI think Red Hat 7 had itMar 09 17:56
DaemonFCand the "BlueCurve" themeMar 09 17:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: ACS:LAW on BBC 1 - Thursday 10th March @ 7pm http://tinyurl.com/6yu57vs !piracy !tpb !acslaw !bbc !bittorrent !torrentMar 09 17:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL.Mar 09 17:56
DaemonFCno wait, it was 8 that had BlueCurve, I remember the bitchingMar 09 17:56
DaemonFCthey were dumbing it down to be like GNOMEMar 09 17:57
cubexyzyeah I used 8Mar 09 17:57
cubexyzdid it not have KDE?Mar 09 17:57
MinceRRH7 did have KDEMar 09 17:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Steer clear of #Android Market and its #DRM http://ur1.ca/3fyjk !dbd http://www.defectivebydesign.orgMar 09 17:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why does a repeat get rendered as "RT" in heybuddy? @jezra, fix that! ;)Mar 09 17:58
DaemonFCright, but 8 was BlueCurveMar 09 17:58
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DaemonFCI remember one Red Hat employee quit over thatMar 09 17:58
DaemonFCsaid he refused to help them break KDEMar 09 17:58
DaemonFCI really don't see what the big deal isMar 09 17:59
MinceRwhat was wrong with BlueCurve?Mar 09 17:59
DaemonFCit's a theme, users can change themes they don't likeMar 09 17:59
MinceRit seemed to look all right to meMar 09 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh send that bug to the client that posted the "RT".Mar 09 18:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Identi.ca web. It's the API.Mar 09 18:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Q: Why is free software important in the 21st century? A: Freedom! http://ur1.ca/3fyub (ogg video)Mar 09 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh yes it is, and I don't like that "twitter-compatible" crap.Mar 09 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Can't you change it in post? :PMar 09 18:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Example of anti-semitic attacks on WikiLeaks http://youtube.com/watch?v=BTFzMzBdew4 http://bit.ly/dSXv60Mar 09 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: OTVArabic - Wikileaks Episode 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=cNt0v6eeqRo http://bit.ly/fLFvrhMar 09 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh I could, but I certainly prefer to *not* edit was someone else's words, unless it is @methoddan announcing the netbook winner ;)Mar 09 18:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jezra Meh, fuck it. Sometimes you gotta roll the hard six.Mar 09 18:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] So much still to do but I simply gotta sleep.... Catch you on the other side, folks! OoMar 09 18:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @fabsh I'll take a natural 20 over the hard 6 anyday!Mar 09 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh: no. I suffer from that in !elmdentica as well. !statusnet people not inclined to fix that bug, claim WONTFIXMar 09 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] I have a recycle status for that in !elmdentica ♻ @jezra: @fabsh yes it is, and I don't like that "twitter-compatible" crap.Mar 09 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] We need a FLOSS toolkit for creating !Wikileaks copies. All tools needed to set up a secure site for anonymous data transfers in one packageMar 09 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: Windows 7 app sales error? – Next Web gets corrected by developer http://tinyurl.com/6f6v4ht !wp7 !microsoft !windows7 !mvpbuzzMar 09 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Waterboarding is torture, but not when the U.S. does it http://ur1.ca/3fz9mMar 09 18:35
MinceRgnMar 09 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Very cogent analysis of the fiasco: #NPR falls into the right's trap, twice http://ur1.ca/3fz8kMar 09 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #BBC staff tortured by pro-Gadaffi forces #Lybia http://tighturl.com/2zsnMar 09 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Canonical tips Oneiric Ocelot release amid !Ubuntu controversy http://ow.ly/4bhEjMar 09 18:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @karinlow: Dear Snow, You can stop falling now. Thanks, Me.Mar 09 18:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rsandu: CentOS 5.6 expected for Monday, March 14th http://is.gd/76KOZD #centos #centos5 #gnu #linux #redhat #fedora #softwareMar 09 18:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: U.S. officials pushed products deemed unsafe by China http://is.gd/h8ig5B !wlMar 09 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Arab Revolutions Through the WikiLeaks Lens | FP http://is.gd/wIH5xT !wlMar 09 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Cable identified 23 in Australia with Qaeda links http://is.gd/OY1o7p !wlMar 09 19:11
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Daemonfcok, I finally got Ubuntu's AppArmor and ureadahead patches to apply cleanlyMar 09 19:14
Daemonfcvictory is mine!Mar 09 19:14
Daemonfcdamn you jono why can't Canonical be more transparent?Mar 09 19:14
Daemonfc:)Mar 09 19:14
Daemonfc"We applied this patch and that patch, no we're not telling you how to get ahold of them!"Mar 09 19:15
Daemonfcyou get a choice of pulling their entire git tree and trying to figure out what they did or getting a tarball with all of the patches applied and building it as-is, bugs and allMar 09 19:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks sheds light on Monitor Group work with Libyan security organization | Examiner http://is.gd/R8oSId !wlMar 09 19:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Progressives Lose When They Accept the Right's Framing: The #Market and #Inequality http://ur1.ca/3fzxiMar 09 19:16
oiaohmDaemonfc: at least a redhat or Fedora will work out box with a stock kernel.Mar 09 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @csoghoian: Law firm at center of HBGary/Chamber spying scandal holding privacy reception at DC Spy Museum tonight http://is.gd/1t3V9uMar 09 19:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: In the Commons chamber before votes tonight. It is uncommonly loud with chatter.Mar 09 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @kennethlipp: Proposed: Women get death if they miscarry http://t.co/LPrCFHC @Emma_A War in US against #reproductiverightsMar 09 19:25
DaemonfcI've been trying to tweak my kernel to speed up the drm/radeon bitsMar 09 19:25
DaemonfcI've had some successMar 09 19:25
DaemonfcI know glxgears is not a benchmark, but I went from 800 or so fps with stock Ubuntu to 4500 or so with latest video driver stuff / x.orgMar 09 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @kennethlipp: @Emma_A Haha. Yes. We need a campaign #DeathtoOnanists #SaveaTadpole #JizzhasFeelingsTooMar 09 19:26
Daemonfcnow I get to use apt to beat Ubuntu's crappy kernel over the head and toss it in the wood chipperMar 09 19:27
Daemonfcno offense to jonoMar 09 19:28
DaemonfcB-)Mar 09 19:28
jonoDaemonfc, you, offensive? never, pal :-)Mar 09 19:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: “Clement Attlee is a modest man who has much to be modest about” - Winston Churchill #quoteMar 09 19:28
Daemonfcjono: With all the attention to detail, you'd think Ubuntu could pimp my Radeon for meMar 09 19:29
Daemonfcright?Mar 09 19:29
Daemonfcjono: Ryan has a RadeonHD, he would like it to be faster than his 3dfx Voodoo 2 in Ubuntu, he is sad that he has to fix it himself.Mar 09 19:32
Daemonfcthe start of a use case?Mar 09 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Anony_Ops: Don't Let TPP Become the Next ACTA: Contact Your Lawmakers and Demand Transparency!: http://bit.ly/iiHABkMar 09 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @alexhundert: RT @MikeElk: UNION LEADERS TO CALL EMERGENCY MEETING TO DISCUSS GENERAL STRIKE #wiunionMar 09 19:33
jonoDaemonfc, heheMar 09 19:34
Daemonfcjono bought an Nvidia card and is currently smacking his head against the keyboard, jono knows that no matter what he does with it, it is the wrong course of actionMar 09 19:34
Daemonfcpoor hypothetical jonoMar 09 19:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sergiorauber/@sergiorauber] RT @wikileaks2: WikiLeaks sheds light on Monitor Group work with Libyan security organization | Examiner http://is.gd/R8oSId !wlMar 09 19:35
DaemonfcMinceR bought a system with Intel Extreme(ly bad) Graphics, or whatever they call those these days, he doesn't seem to mind that Intel has basically forked Mesa and bloated the X.org Server with a modesetting method that only they use, or that it is mostly just a step up from LLVMPIPEMar 09 19:37
DaemonfcMinceR is 1337Mar 09 19:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Mozilla launches Firefox 4.0 release candidate (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/hQuY1NMar 09 19:40
Daemonfcjono: I raided Debian Multimedia and got the S3TC librariesMar 09 19:40
DaemonfcSauerbraten perked up quite a lotMar 09 19:40
Daemonfc:)Mar 09 19:40
Daemonfcyou have to be running pretty much the latest kernel and x.org/mesa stack or the stupid command stream checker won't allow itMar 09 19:41
DaemonfcI say stack because it's not one driver, it's something like 2 drivers and 3 components (X Server, libdrm, mesa/gallium) Mar 09 19:42
Daemonfcit's starting to look like the planets have to be aligned for your video card to workMar 09 19:42
Daemonfcjono would probably describe it as a lot of full moons out there beaming bozo rays into everyone's brains Mar 09 19:43
Daemonfcand I would say I have to agree with this assessmentMar 09 19:43
Daemonfcjono: When do you figure Red Hat will be done writing Wayland so you can take it?Mar 09 19:44
Daemonfc:DMar 09 19:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Conversation with PayPal Support regarding Wikileaks (recording) http://alturl.com/tjidk !wlMar 09 19:46
jonololMar 09 19:47
DaemonfcI'm excited for Ubuntu, they'll take Wayland and make it purpleMar 09 19:48
Daemonfcthese are exciting timesMar 09 19:48
Daemonfcit can interface with your driver and compositing manager and totally render the window controls backwardsMar 09 19:49
Daemonfcbrilliant!Mar 09 19:49
Daemonfcyou can't get these results on XMar 09 19:50
DaemonfcI'd like to thank Phoronix for doubling the size of my ad block listMar 09 19:51
DaemonfcjesusMar 09 19:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @MaryKostakidis: Come to a big public rally at Sydney Town Hall 6pm 16 March in support of Assange and freedom of information !wlMar 09 19:51
Daemonfche runs benchmarks every day to note 1% +/-Mar 09 19:52
Daemonfcand packs the page full of adsMar 09 19:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” http://ping.fm/F4RyuMar 09 19:53
Daemonfche's all like "ZOMG! with sqlite and 7zip Linux 2.6.38 is 1% slower than 2.6.32, let's all just totally ignore that your RadeonHD is twice as fast, and I'll just not flip on all this neat performance related stuff new to .38!"Mar 09 19:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] LWN.net Weekly Edition for March 10, 2011 http://lwn.net/Articles/430942/rssMar 09 19:56
Daemonfctransparent huge page support and delayed logging make XFS a beastMar 09 19:58
DaemonfcB-)Mar 09 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: Esoterica II – David e Golias http://goo.gl/3rxmgMar 09 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @magicbus: http://goo.gl/6g70k Safari/Mac OS X the first to be owned. Webkit (naturally) is blamed.Mar 09 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @jackschofield: Safari/MacBook first to fall at #Pwn2Own 2011, by Ryan Naraine at ZD Net http://zd.net/g7flLBMar 09 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Thank the brave #WI state senators who fled the state to protect worker's rights. http://ur1.ca/3g1jv #CREDOMobile #solidarityWIMar 09 20:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ryanaraine: #Pwn2Own 2011: IE8 on Windows 7 hijacked with 3 vulnerabilities http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=8367Mar 09 20:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Don't let the Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your representative and demand transparency: https://eff.org/r.2z7Mar 09 20:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @eff Don't let the Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your representative and demand transparency: https://eff. ...Mar 09 20:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ryanaraine chrome survives day 1 at #pwn2own. the contestants who signed up for chrome were no-shows. they'll try again tomorrowMar 09 20:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I wonder if this will work in a very humid area like Singapore? Would love to try it at the west coast park. http://vimeo.com/14168034 #fbMar 09 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Don't let Trans Pacific Partnership become the next #ACTA! Contact your congress*n & demand transparency https://eff.org/r.2z7Mar 09 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Conversation w/ PayPal Support regarding !WikiLeaks (recording) > http://youtu.be/QIY9VnGSc08 [claims donations will not be kept by PayPal]Mar 09 20:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @w3c Web Tracking and User Privacy: The Next Steps. http://ow.ly/1bH5XtMar 09 20:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL.Mar 09 20:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: China's top-secret SC-19 anti-satellite missile http://is.gd/kDOPBc !wlMar 09 21:21
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GoForbes28Wow, Roy's been gone for quite awhileMar 09 21:24
Daemonfcryan@ryan-MS-7501:~/$ glxinfo | grep GalliumMar 09 21:25
DaemonfcOpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on AMD REDWOODMar 09 21:25
Daemonfcryan@ryan-MS-7501:~/$ uname -aMar 09 21:26
DaemonfcLinux ryan-MS-7501 2.6.38-rc8-ryan1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Mar 9 18:40:14 EST 2011 x86_64 GNU/LinuxMar 09 21:26
oiaohmhttp://identi.ca/schestowitz  GoForbes28 Moving housesMar 09 21:26
DaemonfcB-)Mar 09 21:26
oiaohmDaemonfc: so prity close to a stock kernel?Mar 09 21:27
Daemonfcaside from three apparmor patches, it is stockMar 09 21:27
oiaohmWith the closed source ati drivers they will catch up with huge pages after 2.6.38 is released.Mar 09 21:27
oiaohmmost likely catch up with BKL at the same time.Mar 09 21:28
DaemonfcI don't even care, I'm done with FGLRX and its bad behavior, random shittiness Mar 09 21:28
DaemonfcIt seems like every month they fix some bugs, and I find as many or more someplace else, it's like they're just shifting them aroundMar 09 21:29
oiaohmNot there is about 1200 bugs in it.Mar 09 21:30
oiaohmSo the number is dropping it started at over 3000 when AMD got ATI.Mar 09 21:30
DaemonfcI suspect that their Enterprise customers bitches about something, and they hack around the problem and make a few moreMar 09 21:30
DaemonfcI'm sure that's how Catalyst worksMar 09 21:31
oiaohmThink back to prior to the AMD aquirement .Mar 09 21:31
oiaohmCompared to then the Catalyet driver now are high quality.Mar 09 21:31
oiaohmBut they still sux.Mar 09 21:31
DaemonfcAMD should have bought Nvidia, at least they wouldn't have this nightmareMar 09 21:31
oiaohmNvidia was not cheep enough.Mar 09 21:32
DaemonfcATI was all about cutting corners, half-assing, and jerry riggingMar 09 21:32
oiaohmTo be correct ATI chip designers were not half bad.Mar 09 21:33
oiaohmDriver developers and Legal department in ATI have really had AMD rip right threw them for incompetence.Mar 09 21:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #DOD Passes the Buck Rather than Let #Kucinich Visit #BradleyManning http://ur1.ca/3g30gMar 09 21:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #DOD Declares #War on … Underwear http://ur1.ca/3g30zMar 09 21:35
DaemonfcI think it's weird how this open source stack is being developedMar 09 21:36
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DaemonfcI'm surprised that it's progressing as quickly as it isMar 09 21:36
oiaohmAMD is serious about it.Mar 09 21:36
oiaohmThings would move lot faster if the legal deparment clearances were not required.Mar 09 21:37
oiaohmin a way that takes a few months.Mar 09 21:37
oiaohmDue to the fact ATI docs were not clean.Mar 09 21:37
oiaohmAMD is almost to the point that all new cards that can release all the specs before they enter production.  DaemonfcMar 09 21:38
oiaohmIe AMD does that with there CPU's for years.Mar 09 21:38
Daemonfcyeah, binary drivers are maddeningMar 09 21:40
Daemonfcthe extra performance isn't even worth the headache Mar 09 21:40
Daemonfcso I'm not even going to use FGLRX anymoreMar 09 21:40
Daemonfcthe thing that pisses me off the most is how you have to wait until AMD is damned good and ready to release their monthly update before maybe using the latest kernelMar 09 21:41
Daemonfc(or maybe you wait another month)Mar 09 21:41
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oiaohmDaemonfc: intentional policyMar 09 21:46
oiaohmDaemonfc:  to force focus on the open source drivers.Mar 09 21:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Political prisoner Bradley Manning's state dangerously deteriorating http://alturl.com/pk64g !wlMar 09 21:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Julian Assange, The Man Behind WikiLeaks | CBS interview http://is.gd/kiFOef !wlMar 09 22:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl !wlMar 09 22:06
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