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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Paul-Martini-Schule http://b1t.it/cpP #4sq | Mar 10 00:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Twitter blocked in #Cameroon, unlikely to affect protests - http://bit.ly/fiLUz5 government discovers #Streisand Effect | Mar 10 00:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Peter King's Radicalization Hearings, Explained http://ur1.ca/3g7rz #Republican #hypocrisy #Islamophobia #Congress | Mar 10 00:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Great Green African Wall Planned for Sahara - http://bit.ly/fBvLgT imagine if this had been done instead of invading Iraq... #africa | Mar 10 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @DavidAllenGreen #LibelReform campaign publish important pamphlet on what Defamation Bill should contain: http://bit.ly/fuTtdj (pdf) | Mar 10 00:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh weren't ssh and perl originally non-free? o.o | Mar 10 00:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011 | Mar 10 00:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] http://twatter.com/ that is all. | Mar 10 00:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sq | Mar 10 00:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Un articol necesar în #Wikipedia #RO, vă ROG să contribuiți http://is.gd/8hlU5j ( @legiinternet , @cdriga , @prolinuxro , @avpascal s.a.) :) | Mar 10 00:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek & Poke: How To Deal With Information Overload http://goo.gl/VEcYe | Mar 10 00:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RomiMaier: "4 elemente [...] virtualizare in Data Center", Dan Popa Star Storage LIVE http://www.agora.ro/eveniment-live/virtualizare-0 | Mar 10 00:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Tottenham are into the last eight of the Champions with a 0-0 draw against Milan. Nice work Gallas and Dawson !spurs !football | Mar 10 00:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Openstreetmap, #harta #GPS liberă și gratuită, pe care o poți îmbunătăți și singur http://is.gd/izz5kA #romania #garmin #map | Mar 10 00:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Greg Grossmeier: !Ubuntu Global Jam – #Natty Narwhal http://goo.gl/vx4gN | Mar 10 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Daniel Holbach: !Ubuntu Development videocast http://goo.gl/qUQOL | Mar 10 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Randall Ross: Master Your Social Networking with Gwibber http://goo.gl/pCMNj | Mar 10 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @Sjig: Read the *secret* Dutch GVT report on open source savings here : http://ur1.ca/3g8f6 #egovt #gnu #linux #opensource #free #software | Mar 10 01:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mozilla #Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available - http://bit.ly/h8m1r8 important release | Mar 10 01:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just found my old Tux-Pirate-Brit-Catalan avatar :) | Mar 10 01:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @runa_b 10 year old python champs who got @kushaldas to recheck functions in his code #confkdein http://t.co/zBfgelm | Mar 10 01:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, time to do some work. | Mar 10 01:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Online music sales in #China up by 14 percent - http://bit.ly/gTnym5 despite rampant #piracy | Mar 10 01:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Irish Computer Service Board switches to open source software - http://bit.ly/gzOpZE "forecast to have major migration ramifications" | Mar 10 01:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Let's have a very strong #tea | Mar 10 01:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @gijs: Read the *secret* Dutch GVT report on open source savings here : http://ur1.ca/3g8f6 | Mar 10 01:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MIT Media Labs’ new logo has 40,000 variations - http://bit.ly/dU3hDL clever #design | Mar 10 01:32 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Mar 10 01:42 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Mark Shuttleworth: Internal competition is healthy, but depends on strong and mature leadership http://goo.gl/cj5Hu !gnome !ubuntu | Mar 10 01:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Thank you, wireshark <# | Mar 10 01:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available http://bit.ly/e8bwbK | Mar 10 02:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☝ Parallel Filing: In the future, where will most of the patents that patent trolls use come from? Find out in m... http://wmk.me/fcK4tl | Mar 10 02:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Interrogator in #Assange case friend with woman accusing #Wikileaks founder - http://bit.ly/fXfcor never a dull moment (v @AlexiMostrous) | Mar 10 02:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Foggy thinking about the Right to Oblivion - http://bit.ly/fE5jnB excellent analysis: "Culture is memory" #privacy | Mar 10 02:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Internal competition is healthy, but depends on strong and mature leadership - http://bit.ly/erex69 big post from #Canonical's Big Man | Mar 10 02:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Illinois Death Penalty Repeal Has National Implications - http://bit.ly/gwu4rn is the tide finally turning? #capitalpunishment #us | Mar 10 02:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Reforming Peer Review. What are the practical steps? - http://bit.ly/ggfhf2 long, thoughtful & important post #peerreview #science | Mar 10 02:20 | |
| speexbTniPA | Some TV networks have started gratiuituously wrapping their video in Flash: | Mar 10 02:21 |
| speexbTniPA | http://areena.yle.fi/ohjelma/1673832 | Mar 10 02:21 |
| speexbTniPA | There is no added value in Flash as a container format, only liability -- security and portability suffer. | Mar 10 02:21 |
| oiaohm | speexbTniPA: really flv format is documented fully. | Mar 10 02:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The 17 Sides of a Cultural Identity - http://bit.ly/eyi2Z8 more on multi-faceted, variable logos (v @loucaspapa) #design | Mar 10 02:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @glynmoody Illinois Death Penalty Repeal Has National Implications - http://bit.ly/gwu4rn is the tide finally turning? #capitalpunishment | Mar 10 02:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For #Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” - http://bit.ly/ewcPvV using #Linux too | Mar 10 02:30 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so? | Mar 10 02:31 |
| MinceR | it brings no technical merits to the table, it's merely more difficult to play and handle | Mar 10 02:31 |
| MinceR | and trash itself is a big heap of security and privacy issues, implemented by people whose programming skills consist entirely of whining about how difficult something is to implement | Mar 10 02:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] FrenchLeaks - http://bit.ly/fS4LAi "documents d’intérêt public concernant notamment la France et l’Europe"; good to see (v @telecomix) | Mar 10 02:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody #China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For #Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” - http://bit.ly/ewcPvV | Mar 10 02:33 | |
| MinceR | even if you don't consider how shitty trash is, their installed base is scary | Mar 10 02:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @mozilla Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available http://bit.ly/e8bwbK | Mar 10 02:35 | |
| MinceR | (and difficulties in providing alternative trash players show that it's not an open format, at least in practice) | Mar 10 02:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do we need an Open Interface licence? - http://bit.ly/emkss5 "interface code can be closed, but back-end code open"; hmm | Mar 10 02:43 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have not found a flash site that does not download by one method or another | Mar 10 02:47 |
| MinceR | downloading is just part of the deal | Mar 10 02:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also lot of the flash selection was prior to any viable cross platform soltuions either. | Mar 10 02:48 |
| MinceR | and i'm tired of working around all that shit | Mar 10 02:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup [Ubuntu 11.04] http://ping.fm/QRK3v | Mar 10 02:48 | |
| MinceR | i think that linking to a standard video file is pretty viable and cross platform | Mar 10 02:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Think how old webm is and the lack of windows means to play ogg. | Mar 10 02:48 |
| MinceR | sure, you don't get to put ads all around a tiny video window, but fuck that. | Mar 10 02:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: just embed the adds in the video problem solved. | Mar 10 02:49 |
| MinceR | and HTTP could do streaming for a long time | Mar 10 02:49 |
| oiaohm | But there was no common format all browsers supported. MinceR | Mar 10 02:49 |
| oiaohm | Yes the state of crap we have had. | Mar 10 02:49 |
| oiaohm | And its the state of crap that has to end. | Mar 10 02:50 |
| MinceR | what browser didn't support <a href="video.mpg">my video</a> ? | Mar 10 02:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog http://ping.fm/njN7s | Mar 10 02:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @LinuxLatest conf.kde.in Opens in Bengaluru (KDE.NEWS) http://bit.ly/gd57Q4 | Mar 10 02:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: Dedicated to the dissemination of public documents relating notably France and Europe. http://www.frenchleaks.fr/ <3 | Mar 10 02:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @darkestkhan: Call for translators to help with #FreedomBox http://bit.ly/hek2Ut #Debian #Linux (repost because previous link got killed) | Mar 10 02:56 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: mpg magical patent locked solution. MPEG LA again. I should have been more correct no format that all browsers supported where the was not a person who could be grabing a fee. | Mar 10 02:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Adobe allow FLV to be used without fee. | Mar 10 03:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "The Ten Minute Guide to diff and patch" from http://stephenjungels.com/jungels.net/articles/diff-patch-ten-minutes.html #programming | Mar 10 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Vinux Project: Ubuntu-based distribution designed for blind and visually impaired users http://ping.fm/EZqW5 | Mar 10 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Vapiano http://b1t.it/cqB #4sq | Mar 10 03:05 | |
| speexbTniPA | MPEG and QuickTime are more portable. | Mar 10 03:08 |
| oiaohm | speexbTniPA: and patented. | Mar 10 03:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Steve Jobs Introducing Macintosh 24-JAN-1984 - No matter how often he said $2400 was cheap no one cheered the price http://ping.fm/g5cX3 | Mar 10 03:08 | |
| oiaohm | speexbTniPA: under a licenses that people can demard fees for content. | Mar 10 03:08 |
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| speexbTniPA | yes | Mar 10 03:08 |
| speexbTniPA | webm and ogg are needed | Mar 10 03:09 |
| oiaohm | Basically the first format without fees won. | Mar 10 03:09 |
| oiaohm | unforntanly the format that won also requires flash. | Mar 10 03:09 |
| Open Washing non free medical records systems and Microsoft http://www.fredtrotter.com/2011/03/01/glen-tullman-presents-the-chewbacca-defense/ | Mar 10 03:09 | |
| speexbTniPA | FSF could work *with* Apple on ban of Flash. | Mar 10 03:09 |
| speexbTniPA | Mozilla Foundation, too. | Mar 10 03:10 |
| oiaohm | Becareful working with Apple. | Mar 10 03:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Do you set your system clock to UTC? If not, why? | Mar 10 03:10 | |
| oiaohm | Apple can make profit from mpeg patents and quicktime patents. | Mar 10 03:10 |
| speexbTniPA | Of course, Apple has problems, but there are areas of common ground | Mar 10 03:10 |
| oiaohm | So most key thing is to focus on forcing webm up. | Mar 10 03:10 |
| speexbTniPA | but to make their proffit from mpeg and quicktime patents (in NAFTA zone) they have to eliminate flash | Mar 10 03:10 |
| speexbTniPA | that makes room for webm and ogg | Mar 10 03:11 |
| oiaohm | ogg container format has some design flaws that do effect streaming resuneablity. | Mar 10 03:11 |
| oiaohm | webm basically is the best on offer. | Mar 10 03:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sabayon 5.5 review at linuxbsdos.com http://ping.fm/betCe | Mar 10 03:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do we actually need a #census? - http://bit.ly/hJl5Sc bit late to ask...but a reasonable article (v @jmcesteves) | Mar 10 03:11 | |
| oiaohm | and webm has a proper patent grant and patents in googles hands to use to defend it. | Mar 10 03:12 |
| oiaohm | Sad it took so long to get something like webm that is basically the right tech for the job. | Mar 10 03:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MIT Media Lab, Logos and Trademarks - http://bit.ly/gdwfZB time for the algorithmic trademark? #design #computability | Mar 10 03:13 | |
| speexbTniPA | Which browsers support WebM today? | Mar 10 03:13 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough flash itself support WebM today. | Mar 10 03:15 |
| oiaohm | So flv and WebM are already equal. | Mar 10 03:15 |
| oiaohm | To be correct WebM is ahead. | Mar 10 03:15 |
| oiaohm | As time goes on Firefox 4 has webm current chrome has. That is about 50 percent + of the market without flash. | Mar 10 03:18 |
| speexbTniPA | not so equal, flash has more malware potential and is locked to a few platforms | Mar 10 03:36 |
| speexbTniPA | FF has a lot of marketshare, that will drive webm adoption | Mar 10 03:37 |
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| speexbTniPA | FF-> Firefox | Mar 10 03:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Please take this 5 minute @AdaInitiative survey about women in open technology and culture! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011 | Mar 10 03:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Paraphrasing Mark Shuttleworth: It's all down to the Gnome leadership, nothing to do with us http://ping.fm/SdATS | Mar 10 03:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The other problem with Shuttleworth's remarks? Assumes Unity will win. If it loses, he'll need a whole other strategy, won't he? | Mar 10 03:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ubuntu Wiki Relicensing to CC-BY-SA – Request For Comments by @popey http://ping.fm/K1Hnp | Mar 10 03:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I can't see how anyone could object to that @popey re http://bit.ly/h2dBJK | Mar 10 03:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Public domain here, under copyright there http://ping.fm/BJrFT | Mar 10 03:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Aptitude is now back in the default package list of #ubuntu 11.04, good choice | Mar 10 03:53 | |
| oiaohm | speexbTniPA: flash will at first help. For the simple reason non supporting were flash is will still have some form of support. | Mar 10 03:54 |
| oiaohm | speexbTniPA: Of course ideal is not to require flash of course. | Mar 10 03:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Twitter está saturado o no disponible temporalmente. Inténtalo de nuevo o visita Estado de Twitter para más información. #twitter #lame | Mar 10 03:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @evan long awaited. But won't it cause a loop if I use identi.ca to feed Twitter timeline? Or have you avoided that already? | Mar 10 04:01 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: did they also allow use of their video codec without a fee? | Mar 10 04:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: adobe released the full specs of flv and gave a free patent lince equal to what webm has now. | Mar 10 04:03 |
| MinceR | flv is just a container, isn't it? | Mar 10 04:04 |
| MinceR | they had some sorensen bullshit or whatever | Mar 10 04:04 |
| MinceR | they have h.264 now | Mar 10 04:04 |
| oiaohm | No there is a flv particular encoding. | Mar 10 04:04 |
| oiaohm | That is pre h.264 | Mar 10 04:04 |
| oiaohm | video/x-flv | Mar 10 04:04 |
| oiaohm | That video format. | Mar 10 04:04 |
| oiaohm | Sorenson Spark, Screen video | Mar 10 04:05 |
| oiaohm | Also the predesor to webm is also in flv. On2 VP6 | Mar 10 04:06 |
| MinceR | i did mention sorenson | Mar 10 04:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, baguette and beer time woot! | Mar 10 04:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Schulamt Bonn, Außenstelle Beschaffung & IT http://b1t.it/cqW #4sq | Mar 10 04:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] A new install of Ubuntu 11.04 on Virtualbox partially failed installing. Let's see if it recovers from aptitude... ;-) | Mar 10 04:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Paul-Martini-Schule http://b1t.it/cpP #4sq | Mar 10 04:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler @schestowitz Wow, are they still on those old tricks ? How pity. | Mar 10 04:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] no idea who this fella is, but I'm guessing he'd be better than Blatter http://tighturl.com/2ztv change is BADLY needed #FIFA !football | Mar 10 04:28 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: When the selections were first made to use flash by a lot h.264 support was not in flash. | Mar 10 04:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: many years latter the iso format f4v contains only h264 that suxs. | Mar 10 04:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] have the #Republicans made themselves unelectable in Wisconsin? http://tighturl.com/2ztw how many average workers will vote for them now? | Mar 10 04:35 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Issue has been at every turn the supporters behind Mpeg have getting rid of the others. | Mar 10 04:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @thistleweb: have the #Republicans made themselves unelectable in Wisconsin? http://tighturl.com/2ztw | Mar 10 04:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #Conservatives made themselves a pariah on Scotland with the #PollTax decades on they're still a minor player largely because of that | Mar 10 04:36 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Hard part is lot of these selections are done over 5 to10 year windows. | Mar 10 04:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Giving a try -- for sport over no-lunch -- fixing the machine via aptitude install ubuntu-desktop and let it crunch, which it's doing. | Mar 10 04:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Libya: #BBC news team kidnapped, hooded and beaten by Gadaffi's forces | Mar 10 04:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks ideas spread: French news site @MediaPart launches its own leaks site: http://frenchleaks.fr !wl | Mar 10 04:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Hot on the heals of #openSUSE 11.4 being released, we've just finished our latest podcast! http://bit.ly/dXETWu | Mar 10 04:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Ridicolo che le banche usino ancora la dizione "assegno su piazza", visto che la compensazione è completamente elettronica | Mar 10 04:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I think I'm gonna try Jolli OS or whatever they're calling the new Jollicloud. I haven't used it in yonks | Mar 10 04:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: SCO, unXis, Microsoft, Canopy, Carlyle, Elliott Associates, and Koch Industries - http://bit.ly/gZbDG5 #SCO #Microsoft #koch | Mar 10 04:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] /me looking at #packetfence | Mar 10 04:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Integrating Software Center with #Launchpad (Mockup) http://goo.gl/bUNoA !u | Mar 10 05:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I just unticked the box for local replies to be sent to Twitter, @support, but they're still being relayed. Any ideas? | Mar 10 05:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @atopiary: @aaronbarr http://poll.pollcode.com/U2N this poll is old, but what do you think of the results? What are you up to these days? | Mar 10 05:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 448 Ili's view of Jitzmitthra. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #fantasy #Minis #worthreading | Mar 10 05:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @glynmoody: Great Green African Wall Planned for Sahara - http://bit.ly/fBvLgT imagine if this had been done instead of invading Iraq... | Mar 10 05:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Loved @bkuhn's Apple rant on the latest @faifshow. That was spot on and very funny. "Sick, I tell ya! SICK!!!" :D | Mar 10 05:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @karinlow: I can't begin to express how much "the Harper Government" offends me. It's not your government, nimrod. | Mar 10 05:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Linux, Mac, and Windows now available: http://bit.ly/h8m1r8 - grab it while it's hot! | Mar 10 05:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Europe, the Guardian needs you - http://bit.ly/g6hbKv is #Guardian trying to set up global network of #bloggers? | Mar 10 05:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Anony_Ops: A new #Anonymiss appears. @AnonMsLy Sexy and hot as hell! | Mar 10 05:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonymousIRC: France first country to recognize Libyan rebel leadership as country's legitimate government. http://ow.ly/4bwNq #Feb17 | Mar 10 05:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Thorsten Wilms: Design-Boost http://goo.gl/PeLHu design in free software world | Mar 10 05:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Nokia CFO plays Symbian while rubber boot maker burns - Nokia is still doomed http://bit.ly/gCBwlP #business | Mar 10 05:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: Reality is "not available for sale" a greater impact on revenues for creators than infringement, #C32 makes issue worse | Mar 10 05:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @tekk Perl? Was always Artistic License or am I wrong? ssh was around since before there even was proprietary software I think. | Mar 10 05:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Vienna opens its data [de] - http://bit.ly/i1ddKx nett (v @bethnoveck @karounos) #opendata #austria | Mar 10 05:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Interrogator in Assange case is friends with accuser > http://goo.gl/6axLC (Swedish) !wl | Mar 10 05:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Zoopla launches Property Archive of past UK house prices - http://bit.ly/gCXKaF interesting #property #opendata | Mar 10 05:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Safari and Internet Explorer are hacked first at Pwn2Own contest - http://bit.ly/hNHJ9T excitement: will Firefox and Chrome resist? | Mar 10 05:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL! :D ♺ @evan: @digibomb You're seriously on flight 815? Is this soccer team on your flight? http://outl.ws/dPMkji | Mar 10 05:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Trying to keep my brain alert with Monster. It's better than collapsing... | Mar 10 05:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Louis #Vuitton – the symbol of corporate #bullying - http://bit.ly/gDk6ja not even handbags at dawn | Mar 10 05:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnr | Mar 10 05:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mendeley API Binary Battle: IsItOpenData? - http://bit.ly/fHOAp2 @petermurrayrust asks the right question #opendata | Mar 10 05:46 | |
| speexbTniPA | @TRIdewntica: SSH arrived only in 1995, | Mar 10 05:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Now boarding SXF > CGN | Mar 10 05:48 | |
| speexbTniPA | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Overview#SSH_-_open_then_closed | Mar 10 05:48 |
| speexbTniPA | Perl was around first | Mar 10 05:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !perl and databases? Very nice DBI guide: http://www.felixgers.de/teaching/perl/perl_DBI.html | Mar 10 05:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] LLVMpipe Gallium3D Is Used In Fedora 15: Fedora 15 is gearing up to be another great release from the Red Hat ca... http://bit.ly/dH8qqW | Mar 10 05:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] ♻ @karsten: A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnr !fs !gnu | Mar 10 05:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open source procurement: Subscriptions | http://bit.ly/gjkn78 #foss #osi | Mar 10 06:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks news update http://is.gd/xRn0oy & http://wlcentral.org/ !wl | Mar 10 06:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @emily_hatchpr @ABridgwater Cool map of US passport ownership by state. 45% of Americans have a passport. http://aol.it/e6eJNl >>uh-huh | Mar 10 06:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Mark is deliberately misleading the community about the way GNOME works [...] this post is essentially a lie." http://outl.ws/g7DpwM | Mar 10 06:08 | |
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| GoForbes28 | hi all | Mar 10 06:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ratholeradio: Tickets to the 2nd annual Rathole Radio gig in Liverpool on April 24th are now available http://is.gd/7x2cRw | Mar 10 06:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] What the hell is Shuttleworth doing? He's just lashing out again and again on his blog suddenly after not posting for months. What's up? | Mar 10 06:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Release is coming. So some noise needed? | Mar 10 06:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @bryonwilfert: Two decisions by Speaker of the House of Commons find Conservative government in contempt of Parliament. Election coming. | Mar 10 06:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Spending a few hours learning as many vim commands and terminal commands as i can. !cli | Mar 10 06:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I have been called a lot of things on here and I actually agree with some of it but liar really hurts. I never knowingly lied. | Mar 10 06:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I may be an egomaniacally, troublemaking bastard that doesn't know what he's talking about but a liar? Wow. | Mar 10 06:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Microsoft and the Game of Catch-Up #drupalcon http://ping.fm/NuUHn | Mar 10 06:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: I remember @michelenlared said to me this "in a hurry" comment. I had to leave it, cos I had no idea what it meant | Mar 10 06:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] openSUSE 11.4 has arrived http://lwn.net/Articles/432736/rss | Mar 10 06:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] New Statesman: How the 'liberal' press tried to silence WikiLeaks http://is.gd/3q5kL1 !wl | Mar 10 06:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @michelenlared I wonde if Mark's real annoyance with Gnome is he's losing the PR battle? | Mar 10 06:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @vinzv: Moved to !fedora alpha on my day-by-day machine. Everything looks good and works right from the start. | Mar 10 06:45 | |
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| AdmFubar_ | i take it roy is on vacation? :) about time he took a break! | Mar 10 06:46 |
| AdmFubar_ | laters all | Mar 10 06:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: What's #disturbing is: @sabdfl seems to believe #FaiF sw needs him more than he needs it. | Mar 10 06:48 | |
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| MinceR | lol @ shuttlecock's delusions of grandeur | Mar 10 06:49 |
| MinceR | a reference would be nice though | Mar 10 06:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] 'The Guardian’s hatchet job on Julian Assange' | WSWS http://alturl.com/xypga !wl | Mar 10 06:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Is http://www.markshuttleworth.com down or is it just me? | Mar 10 06:52 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Really KDE will not miss the chance to knife Gnome. | Mar 10 06:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: KDE does pride themselves on following freedesktop standards. | Mar 10 06:53 |
| cubexyz | icewm, xfce, kde is what I use | Mar 10 06:54 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: ? | Mar 10 06:54 |
| MinceR | i was referring to the dent redented by fabsh | Mar 10 06:54 |
| cubexyz | may as well try different DE's | Mar 10 06:55 |
| oiaohm | Shuttleworth does not get it yet Ubuntu method is no different to what Gnome does. | Mar 10 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Its basically lets ingnore upstream. | Mar 10 06:57 |
| oiaohm | Freedesktop should be upstream of Gnome and KDE. | Mar 10 06:57 |
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| cubexyz | time to tweak weather.txt | Mar 10 06:59 |
| cubexyz | it's getting rather big | Mar 10 06:59 |
| MinceR | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/09/sony-ps3-lg-blu-ray-dispute | Mar 10 07:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: No project/org has perfect leadership, but GNOME is among best in this regard. | Mar 10 07:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh yeah, but there are several ways of "down" and I don't know what that site uses. I just get a blank page (but http connection is ok) | Mar 10 07:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] openSUSE 11.4 Released: The openSUSE developers in Nuremberg and around the world have a reason to celebrate tod... http://bit.ly/dGvt8c | Mar 10 07:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Open-Source AMD Fusion E-350 Support Takes A Dive: If you have been thinking about picking up a motherboard with... http://bit.ly/hLgukt | Mar 10 07:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: the sickest part is that @sabdfl is clearly having a !Canonical proxy war w/ #RedHat through #GNOME. | Mar 10 07:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] If vuntz had a broken heart after Banshee, he must be totally gutted now.... :( | Mar 10 07:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] The upcoming FTF ELN annual meeting is going to be awesome. EG 2/3 of the initial keynotes will rock tha house (the third is mine) ;-P | Mar 10 07:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] setting up another !debian system for the Polish FLOSS Foundation. I love that system. :) #fwioo #wioo | Mar 10 07:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: New #Gwibber User Guide makes mastering social networking in Ubuntu easy http://goo.gl/5u7NC | Mar 10 07:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ninapaley: Mimi and Eunice: My Works Are Like My Children http://j.mp/fw903Q | Mar 10 07:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] For those who haven't guessed, I absolutely love Mimi and Eunice. @ninapaley has an incredible sense of the absurd! | Mar 10 07:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why is Mark so interested in Gnome anyway? Seems to me he planning to get totally rid of it as fast as possible... | Mar 10 07:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] DailyTech - Apple's OS X is First OS to be Hacked at This Year's Pwn2Own http://ping.fm/eCYzN | Mar 10 07:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] IMHO Shuttleworth has all rights to complain if a promise was not kept. OTOH that's life, if you don't like it, fork it. I'm #unconcerned | Mar 10 07:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @bugabundo: thumbs up http://acidcow.com/pics/20110310/acid_picdump_19.jpg | ROTFL | Mar 10 07:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] FOSA AGM and SFD 2011 planning meeting - http://fosa.sg/2011_ECM_ACM_SFDS_Kickoff | Mar 10 07:43 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Mar 10 07:49 |
| sebsebseb | mandybuntu: hi | Mar 10 07:49 |
| sebsebseb | uh wrong one | Mar 10 07:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hi | Mar 10 07:49 |
| MinceR | hay | Mar 10 07:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: PC Linux OS, new KDE when stable enough, just done my upgrade to KDE 4.6.1 | Mar 10 07:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] After a bit of unsuccessful troll-fishing ;-( heading to home office and will see if it had worked when I'm back online ;-) | Mar 10 07:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Of the 9 roses I bought @th3k4ty for our anniversary, 6 are still left 10 days later. They weren't cheap but seem to have been worth it. :) | Mar 10 07:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] My email id is a bigger winner than charlie sheen.... | Mar 10 08:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #MusOpen.org: Public domain performances of public domain music - http://bit.ly/hUNdAN good intro to important project #pd #music | Mar 10 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ggoes So !Slackware's next version number is really 13.37? Amazing. | Mar 10 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Off to bed early today. Reading all the gnome / canonical mud slinging has tired me out :p | Mar 10 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OpenSuse 11.4 release mentioned at Adnet and The H | Mar 10 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Actually OpenSuse is mentioned everywhere. Too many to read them all | Mar 10 08:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Die GdL streikt. Fallen jetzt überall die #Apple Airport Express aus? </sarcasm> | Mar 10 08:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] !Ubuntu Maverick shuts down really fast (< 5 seconds) Thanks @keybuk for all the great work in making that possible. | Mar 10 08:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Endowed by Their Creator?: The Future of Constitutional Personhood - http://bit.ly/fNJh3Z deep & delightful musings on chimeras & the law | Mar 10 08:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU: Time For a New Approach on #Copyright - http://bit.ly/f5uU0R ah, that naughty Neelie - teasing again... | Mar 10 08:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Honest Tea tests America’s honesty in its latest brand campaign - http://bit.ly/ifuUKf nice #tea #honesty | Mar 10 08:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla at SXSW 2011 http://mzl.la/gdCUxD | Mar 10 08:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Norwegian open source-based problem-reporting website launched nationwide - http://bit.ly/gYBGGu #opensource #opengov | Mar 10 08:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] HP to Ship All PCs With webOS Option http://bit.ly/i9zqwW #linux | Mar 10 08:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I was just thinking how funny it would be if loads of people placed orders at moonpig for mugs with the Sony copy protection keys on them | Mar 10 08:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jospoortvliet @jwildeboer sure !gnome is free to ignore a request. !canonical is free to replace referral in banshee. Doesn't make i ... | Mar 10 08:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @omgsuse On the tenth day, !openSUSE 11.4 changed everything http://goo.gl/fb/Bcu80 | Mar 10 08:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Install Sparkleshare In Ubuntu Via PPA (Open Source Cloud Sync - Dropbox Alternative) http://bit.ly/htSySx | Mar 10 08:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker - http://bit.ly/gnxbDP good to see that "banker" is now an insult | Mar 10 08:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !lo Where do people hang out on IRC? I've decided to get back into it, but I have no regualr haunts any more | Mar 10 09:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Nouveau can' t handle videos well on my 23" plasma screen. Hope the proprietary Nvidia driver will be available soon on !kubuntu "Natty". | Mar 10 09:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Make-Believe Billion - http://slate.me/gPegsB "How drug companies exaggerate research costs to justify absurd profits" comments are fun | Mar 10 09:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Russian DNS netbook comes with !MeeGo !Linux http://ping.fm/zwxvF | Mar 10 09:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listening to the Joel I Have To Run Windows At Work Tech Show | Mar 10 09:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I just called AT&T customer service and was greeted with "Hello, this is Buddy, how can I help you?" to which I replied "Hey Buddy!" | Mar 10 09:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Best Practices for Authoring Interoperable #ODF Documents - http://bit.ly/eKhI1Q "user education must help with the rest of the way" | Mar 10 09:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @fscons #FSCONS Video: Salve J. Nilsen: Kaizendo: Customizable schoolbooks http://ur1.ca/3ge1c #education #rwculture | Mar 10 09:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Unity 3.6.4 has been released: http://goo.gl/veCb6 | Mar 10 09:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @samtuke ♻ @karsten: A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnr !fs !gnu | Mar 10 09:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] complete text of the US proposal for the #Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (#TPP) chapter - http://bit.ly/eKe5BU get it while it's hot | Mar 10 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @jamie_love USTR in #TPP: patents shall be available even if such invention does not result in the enhancement of the known efficacy | Mar 10 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @jamie_love USTR in TPP chpt: 95 year copyright minimum term for works for hire >>oh look, that copyright ratchet again... | Mar 10 09:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The need and drive for open data in biomedical publishing - http://bit.ly/hrVELQ it's the future #opendata (v @wilbanks) #publishing | Mar 10 09:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Feeling for @th3k4ty and trying to motivate her to keep at it. Science and research is a very hard and frustrating job sometimes... | Mar 10 09:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Nacion (Costa Rica): Intrepidez tica en Naciones Unidas impresionó a EE. UU. | http://is.gd/wVuaKH !wl | Mar 10 09:55 | |
| GoForbes28 | hi again | Mar 10 09:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Bounce bounce bouncycow. #minecraft | Mar 10 10:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Jornada (Mexico): En 2009, Pascual destapó la debilidad de AN y Calderón tras la elección intermedia | http://is.gd/j0sIWv !wl | Mar 10 10:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open Leadership webcast with Charlene Li | http://bit.ly/hGWs9q #transparency #innovation #altimeter | Mar 10 10:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] A note for Hotmail users http://lwn.net/Articles/432797/rss | Mar 10 10:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why does Gawker home page have *2* scroll bars and why does the scroll bar on the far right control the far left frame? | Mar 10 10:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Espectador (Colombia): Sabas culpó a Restrepo de meterle 12.000 'paras' | http://is.gd/Z5AK6O !wl | Mar 10 10:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Pais (Uruguay): El creciente poder sindical, "bendecido" por Vázquez, preocupaba a Estados Unidos | http://is.gd/ocdMcz !wl | Mar 10 10:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bruce89 Shuttleworth is just annoyed that #GNOME doesn't share his vision of cloning OS X | Mar 10 10:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Comercio (Peru): Wikileaks evidencia detalles del proceso de Alberto Fujimori en Chile | http://is.gd/gmO35j !wl | Mar 10 10:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] »R @marjoleink: just about 1000 more dents, and we'll hit 66666666 :D | Mar 10 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Working with Frames and Objects in Scribus http://is.gd/OoYDEA #desktop #dtp #publishing #scribus #linux #gnu #free #software | Mar 10 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Post-PC Era Is Already Here http://is.gd/85ts99 #hardware #software | Mar 10 10:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gusteru: RT @yo9fah_ro: openSUSE 11.4 Officially Released, Screenshot Tour Inside: http://bit.ly/gESKRh #linux #gnu | Mar 10 10:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL. | Mar 10 10:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Waxing Nostalgic About Old-School Linux http://is.gd/V9NcYm #gnu #linux | Mar 10 10:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sq | Mar 10 10:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ahh..... Coffee! | Mar 10 10:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL. | Mar 10 10:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] SF Bay Area friends! @TEDxSFED "mashEDup: re-imagine education" will happen on April 9. Register by this Mon: http://ht.ly/49BQx #OER | Mar 10 10:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Does Compiz Still Slow Down Your System?: There have been a flurry of comments this week following my post why s... http://bit.ly/fCOkw2 | Mar 10 10:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] just deleted my Google Buzz Profile ! | Mar 10 10:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sq | Mar 10 10:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Has Microsoft dropped the ball with Windows Phone 7? http://is.gd/7oXxc3 #microsoft #windows #wp7 #mobile #samsung | Mar 10 10:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Thursday http://lwn.net/Articles/432776/rss | Mar 10 10:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @zach RT @rejon Die Java, die! | Mar 10 10:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Pro Markt http://b1t.it/csZ #4sq | Mar 10 10:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Ground control to Major Tom... ♺ @zach: @evan I get the idea you hum Space Oddity whenever you're on a plane. | Mar 10 11:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Frittebud http://b1t.it/cs5 #4sq | Mar 10 11:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity 3.6.4 source package is in #natty http://goo.gl/5xTF8 | Mar 10 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Unigine Does Terrain Tessellation, Confirms OS X Plans: While Unigine's pre-release orders for OilRush aren't go... http://bit.ly/iku21l | Mar 10 11:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] the source package of !unity 3.6.4 is waiting for dependencies: http://goo.gl/2QFwu | Mar 10 11:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Top 10 Worst Things About the #Republicans' Immoral #Budget http://ur1.ca/3g881 | Mar 10 11:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] 'In #God We Trust' suit rejected by #SupremeCourt http://ur1.ca/3g8ma Might as well be "In #Myth We Trust" | Mar 10 11:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] EXI Extends Reach of XML to New Devices and Applications http://ow.ly/1bHNwS | Mar 10 11:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Three Web Apps Last Calls: Server-Sent Events, Progress Events, Web Workers http://ow.ly/1bHNwR | Mar 10 11:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Imagini inedite cu Eva Braun şi Hitler, date publicităţii http://is.gd/M7cx3u #hitler | Mar 10 11:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Full Text of US proposal for #TPPA IP chapter leaked: https://eff.org/r.z98 Take action: https://eff.org/r.2z7 | Mar 10 11:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] IT departments 'flying blind' when it comes to mobile #security http://is.gd/XiAliB | Mar 10 11:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Israeli Court Enforces for the First Time a Creative Commons License http://is.gd/LxO3pA via @glynmoody | Mar 10 11:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @TechJournalist: Newest #openSUSE #Linux Release Offers Rolling Releases - LinuxPlanet http://bit.ly/f9LMRA #gnu | Mar 10 11:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @JustMeAmber: Reminder today is #GNOME 3 test day - More information at http://is.gd/98k9VB #gnome #community | Mar 10 11:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] My muscle memory has finally memorized the screen keyboard shortcuts \o/ #screen | Mar 10 11:44 | |
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| Daemonfc | ok jono, my mods have restored balance to the Force | Mar 10 11:53 |
| Daemonfc | at least with regards to Kubuntu | Mar 10 11:53 |
| Daemonfc | B-) | Mar 10 11:53 |
| Daemonfc | Ubuntu is now basically this big monolithic ball of crap that can't be modified, hence it is no longer "fun" | Mar 10 11:54 |
| Daemonfc | I get that's what you guys call a "product" | Mar 10 11:54 |
| Daemonfc | stay off my lawn! | Mar 10 11:54 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 10 11:54 |
| Daemonfc | vanilla kernels and mesa pulled from git is my bag, baby | Mar 10 11:55 |
| Daemonfc | B-) | Mar 10 11:55 |
| Daemonfc | this looks juicy http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=7dcf019af2e76a4c6e0391c3c5e1d50966367df8 | Mar 10 11:56 |
| *Daemonfc wonders when radeon will use it | Mar 10 11:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @eff Full Text of US proposal for #TPPA IP chapter leaked: https://eff.org/r.z98 Take action: https://eff.org/r.2z7 | Mar 10 11:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Pwn2Own 2011: IE8 on Windows 7 hijacked with 3 vulnerabilities http://is.gd/3kLjXY #microsoft #windows #ie #ie8 #security | Mar 10 11:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @wired: Hackers steal $1.2 million in Microsoft Points. http://wrd.tw/ie9Esn (We suspect Mr. Microsoft-Pointfinger.) | Mar 10 11:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @StirileProTV: Proiectul Uranus in standby. Hala #Matache din Capitala nu poate fi demolata http://fb.me/J3X1ScTr #bucuresti #ro | Mar 10 11:57 | |
| Daemonfc | MinceR: My conclusion of radeon is that it has a lot of rough edges but FGLRX does the wrong thing from start to finish | Mar 10 11:58 |
| *Daemonfc thinks he will ride the radeon wave | Mar 10 11:58 | |
| Daemonfc | one thing that really stands out is that if radeon manages to hang X, this isn't normally a kernel panic thrown in as a bonus | Mar 10 11:59 |
| Daemonfc | not so with FGLRX | Mar 10 11:59 |
| Daemonfc | switch to tty1, kill X, switch to tty7, startx | Mar 10 12:00 |
| Daemonfc | whereas FGLRX leaves the user holding the power button until the system shuts off and the file system might not have allocated all outstanding writes | Mar 10 12:00 |
| Daemonfc | = not a good outlook for your data | Mar 10 12:00 |
| Daemonfc | I did have to edit Ubuntu's init scripts to disable that stupid failsafe X, X respawn crap | Mar 10 12:01 |
| Daemonfc | ZOMG, you're trying to kill X, let's start X back up only to crash again! | Mar 10 12:02 |
| Daemonfc | that's why all the cool kids know not to upgrade from PackageKit, it ignores DPKG asking you if you want to keep your existing settings or install the maintainer's | Mar 10 12:03 |
| Daemonfc | it just bulldozes your settings without asking :) | Mar 10 12:03 |
| Daemonfc | before you know it, you have that failsafe X stupidity again | Mar 10 12:04 |
| Daemonfc | jono: ZOMG, you're not running X, we'll TEACH you to love X, X is mandatory, you can thank us later! | Mar 10 12:04 |
| Daemonfc | B-)\ | Mar 10 12:05 |
| MinceR | what gpus/drivers does wayland currently run with anyway? | Mar 10 12:05 |
| Daemonfc | the proprietary ones all fail | Mar 10 12:05 |
| Daemonfc | the free ones all work to my knowledge | Mar 10 12:05 |
| Daemonfc | I've tried Wayland with nouveau, radeon, rage128, intel, and tdfx (3dfx) | Mar 10 12:06 |
| Daemonfc | all of them work, even 3dfx Voodoo 2 1000 hehe | Mar 10 12:06 |
| Daemonfc | circa 1998 | Mar 10 12:06 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 10 12:07 |
| Daemonfc | 3dfx supports accelerated compositing | Mar 10 12:07 |
| Daemonfc | though you're limited to what you can do | Mar 10 12:07 |
| Daemonfc | all the basic compiz plugins work | Mar 10 12:07 |
| Daemonfc | Extreme Tux Racer works | Mar 10 12:07 |
| Daemonfc | what else do you need? B-) | Mar 10 12:08 |
| MinceR | nexuiz | Mar 10 12:08 |
| MinceR | ut2004 | Mar 10 12:08 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 10 12:08 |
| Daemonfc | 3dfx supports OpenGL 1.1, and not fully | Mar 10 12:08 |
| Daemonfc | you can get away with most of that, some will fall back to llvmpipe and be rendered on the CPU | Mar 10 12:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] damn it, does this mean that I need to write a notification daemon? | Mar 10 12:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] It's incredible that !fs advances w/ so many ppl wanting to do things their way & arguing among themselves. !q @hound | Mar 10 12:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @psquid #slowdentica | Mar 10 12:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ccLearn: Free Technology Academy publishes course books CC BY-SA on #freesoftware #openstandards & #GNU #Linux http://is.gd/68dNz | Mar 10 12:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @fedorared: RT @ccLearn: Fantastic resource! Creative Commons: What every Educator needs to know by Rodd Lucier http://bit.ly/dMoV | Mar 10 12:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: I just confirmed my reservations for the 2011 Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit http://is.gd/vAi4sT Hope to see some of you... | Mar 10 12:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #bzr is *so* stupid :| | Mar 10 12:09 | |
| Daemonfc | it will report OpenGL 1.3, but a lot of it is running on llvmpipe if it's past 1.1 | Mar 10 12:09 |
| Daemonfc | which as far as software rendering goes, llvmpipe is fantastic | Mar 10 12:10 |
| Daemonfc | you're talking at least double the speed of Mesa's classic software rendering | Mar 10 12:10 |
| Daemonfc | 3dfx is usable with Compiz and some basic 3d games, even to this day | Mar 10 12:11 |
| Daemonfc | it supports KVM | Mar 10 12:11 |
| Daemonfc | try running a 3dfx card on Windows XP, Vista, or 7 and tell me what you think | Mar 10 12:12 |
| Daemonfc | I think the beta driver for Windows 2000 works kind of on XP, but very buggy | Mar 10 12:12 |
| Daemonfc | no DirectX support | Mar 10 12:12 |
| Daemonfc | 3dfx leaked out a beta driver for Windows 2000 right before they went under, that's the only support you'll get on Windows NT, ever | Mar 10 12:13 |
| Daemonfc | B-) enjoy | Mar 10 12:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Neil deGrasse Tyson - Communicating #Science http://ur1.ca/3gfxe #PointofInquiry #podcast #CenterForInquiry #secular | Mar 10 12:14 | |
| Daemonfc | and on Windows, it won't do you much good, no DirectX, full of bugs, no OpenGL support | Mar 10 12:14 |
| Daemonfc | if you can dig up some GLIDE apps it will accelerate them | Mar 10 12:14 |
| Daemonfc | MinceR: That DOOM 3 on Voodoo 2 1000 thing that surfaced a while back was actually not utilizing the card at all | Mar 10 12:15 |
| Daemonfc | Windows XP has software rendering of OpenGL 1.x and some of DirectX | Mar 10 12:16 |
| Daemonfc | so the card might have been present, but the CPU was doing everything | Mar 10 12:16 |
| Daemonfc | publicity stunt | Mar 10 12:16 |
| Daemonfc | just like Windows 7 on the Pentium 2 | Mar 10 12:16 |
| Daemonfc | zomg, it took 32 minutes to boot! | Mar 10 12:17 |
| Daemonfc | this is totally useful! | Mar 10 12:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Copying over the #Minecraft map to the new server. | Mar 10 12:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @jezra yes, yes it does. | Mar 10 12:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] uo, un @jack6es por aqui! :D Todavia no estas en el grupo !eol ? ya tardas xD | Mar 10 12:17 | |
| cubexyz | I've seen worse | Mar 10 12:17 |
| cubexyz | 386SX16 with win95 | Mar 10 12:17 |
| Daemonfc | I've ran Windows 95 on a 486 | Mar 10 12:17 |
| cubexyz | not pretty | Mar 10 12:17 |
| Daemonfc | but it was a DX4-100 | Mar 10 12:17 |
| Daemonfc | it runs well on that | Mar 10 12:18 |
| cubexyz | well sure | Mar 10 12:18 |
| cubexyz | it's rare I see anything older than p2 though | Mar 10 12:18 |
| Daemonfc | the 486 SX line was crap | Mar 10 12:18 |
| Daemonfc | the 487 was basically a fully functional 486 DX that disables the 486 SX and takes over | Mar 10 12:18 |
| Daemonfc | ploy by Intel to sell you another CPU later on | Mar 10 12:19 |
| cubexyz | hard to avoid intel | Mar 10 12:19 |
| cubexyz | and even harder to avoid x86 | Mar 10 12:19 |
| abeNd-org | that mathcoprocessor stuff? | Mar 10 12:19 |
| Daemonfc | well, you're thinking, just plug the 487 in, won't work, not pin compatible with the 486 slot, and it won't work by itself if the main slot is empty | Mar 10 12:20 |
| cubexyz | well I think 8086 was different | Mar 10 12:20 |
| Daemonfc | Intel hasn't changed much | Mar 10 12:20 |
| Daemonfc | yes, up until and including 387, the co-processor was actually a co-processor | Mar 10 12:20 |
| Daemonfc | the 487 was not | Mar 10 12:21 |
| cubexyz | extinct now, unless you still have a working 486 | Mar 10 12:21 |
| Daemonfc | I do | Mar 10 12:21 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 10 12:21 |
| abeNd-org | i havent seen a working 486 in years | Mar 10 12:22 |
| cubexyz | I have one myself... don't really use it much | Mar 10 12:23 |
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| Daemonfc | I have a 386 laptop | Mar 10 12:23 |
| Daemonfc | DX 33 | Mar 10 12:23 |
| cubexyz | x86 is so boring though | Mar 10 12:23 |
| Daemonfc | I never went for the SX ones, don't save you much, perform so much worse | Mar 10 12:23 |
| cubexyz | I miss the 6502 | Mar 10 12:24 |
| cubexyz | the weird thing is 486 boards on ebay are like $100 or more | Mar 10 12:24 |
| Daemonfc | the git patches to 2.6.38-rc8 are moving very slowly | Mar 10 12:25 |
| Daemonfc | git2 doesn't have anything I'm interested in | Mar 10 12:25 |
| cubexyz | so what OS are you running on the 486? | Mar 10 12:25 |
| abeNd-org | only thing i would use 486s for is pull the cpu fan off & use it on my gpu in my current system | Mar 10 12:26 |
| Daemonfc | MINIX 3 | Mar 10 12:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Marketing your Business- #Facebook vs. #LinkedIn http://is.gd/QDhAEe | Mar 10 12:27 | |
| Daemonfc | looks like there will be a 2.6.38-rc9 | Mar 10 12:27 |
| Daemonfc | just won't be anything too exciting in it | Mar 10 12:27 |
| Daemonfc | unless some patches show up for radeon, I probably won't even build it | Mar 10 12:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Probably the funniest comment ever on !GNOME Shell: "Don't you guys surf the net for porn!!!!???? C'monnnn." http://goo.gl/zDqpl | Mar 10 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Armies of Expensive #Lawyers, Replaced by Cheaper #Software http://is.gd/dSRiUW #cataphora | Mar 10 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RIAA not happy with Sen Zoe Lofgren, excellent piece as usual from #TechDirt http://tighturl.com/2zus #p2p #law #politics | Mar 10 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Marked bugs with attached patch to add rpm support to #utouch -{evemu,frame,grail,geis} LP#732822 LP#732823 LP#732828 LP#732829 | Mar 10 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Is A Few Days Away http://is.gd/SO9cRc #gnu #linux #kernel | Mar 10 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @stav: It is a historical fact, that's all. Today is Osama bin Laden's 54th birthday. | Mar 10 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] De ce sa-ti cumperi telefon cu Android si nu iPhone http://pulsene.ws/12FLu via @bogdanid | Mar 10 12:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I predict, by the end of 5 years, more people will be on Skype than on Facebook | Mar 10 12:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @lamm It's incredible that !fs advances w/ so many ppl wanting to do things their way & arguing among themselves. !q @hound | Mar 10 12:45 | |
| abeNd-org | feh, in 5 yrs facebook will have a voip service that will have ended skype | Mar 10 12:46 |
| abeNd-org | they are already starting to get into the netflix market | Mar 10 12:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] (Michael) Moore to play Sarah Palin in TV production? http://tighturl.com/2zuv careful now, people may prefer the looks of the fake Palin ;P | Mar 10 12:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Tor 0.2.2.23-alpha is out: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-02223-alpha-out | Mar 10 12:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@WebsterGTarpley: #STALINGRAD of #Libya rebels at #RasLanouf, pt. of farthest advance, then retreat and defeat - says... #CorriereDellaSera | Mar 10 12:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @mvalente "Why High-Speed Rail Isn’t That Great" http://goo.gl/3zuv1 Agradeço reenvio para tontos e afins. | Mar 10 12:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK I'm trying this new Joli OS. Back later | Mar 10 12:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Grim reading: Manning's abuse inside custody released by his Lawyer, David Coombs http://is.gd/FWKAEk !wl | Mar 10 12:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 144 dents! | Mar 10 12:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ex #BP employee advise UK govt over energy? and the #Tories said they wanted "new politics"; BUSINESS as usual http://tighturl.com/2zv6 | Mar 10 13:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] methinks the whole "renewables" idea will be sent to gather dust as "oil" is pushed firmly into "must be protected and promoted" mode | Mar 10 13:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Norwegian open source-based problem-reporting website launched nationwide - http://bit.ly/gYBGGu #opensource #opengov | Mar 10 13:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] oil & #BP having absolutely no connection with each other on any level, even the name British PETROLEUM is coincidental | Mar 10 13:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody EU: Time For a New Approach on #Copyright - http://bit.ly/f5uU0R ah, that naughty Neelie - teasing again... | Mar 10 13:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RBS banker Fred Goodwin gets superinjuction to stop being called a wanker, erm....I mean banker http://tighturl.com/2zv7 | Mar 10 13:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Zoopla launches Property Archive of past UK house prices - http://bit.ly/gCXKaF interesting #property #opendata | Mar 10 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @p2pnet Firefox 4 RC 1 for Windows, Mac, Linux. Out of Beta http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49840 | Mar 10 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Do we actually need a #census? - http://bit.ly/hJl5Sc bit late to ask...but a reasonable article (v @jmcesteves) | Mar 10 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity 3.6.4-0ubuntu1 package has been succesfully built for #natty http://goo.gl/5xTF8 | Mar 10 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Interrogator in #Assange case friend with woman accusing #Wikileaks founder - http://bit.ly/fXfcor never a dull moment (v ... | Mar 10 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Testing the latest unity build... | Mar 10 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @wikileaks wikileaks: John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry http://bit.ly/hJtrUf | Mar 10 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @wikileaks wikileaks: US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl http:/ ... | Mar 10 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://alturl.com/e25vf !wl | Mar 10 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Michael Vogt: apt-btrfs-snapshot creates automatically filesystem snapshot when apt installs/removes/upgrades. http://goo.gl/VSTCP !u | Mar 10 13:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bradley #Manning's detailed complaint about his "improper treatment" - http://bit.ly/h10RZf tale of bloody-mindedness and bullying #torture | Mar 10 13:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Dear Hollywood: It's Time To Realize Artificial Scarcity Is Gone... And That's A Good Thing - http://bit.ly/hAKeWr yup #abundance | Mar 10 13:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Banks are soon going to refuse to let you spend your money, thanks to #Republicans http://ur1.ca/3ggrr | Mar 10 13:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republican Rep. King from NY wants to destroy Ham Radio http://ur1.ca/3ggsk | Mar 10 13:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republicans try to attack Net Neutrality http://ur1.ca/3ggt6 Warning: HuffPo | Mar 10 13:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Virginity Restoration #Surgery http://ur1.ca/3gcll #Islam #misogyny #religion #sad #wrong #wtf | Mar 10 13:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mendeley Data IS OPEN! - http://bit.ly/eS3Ev6 @petermurrayrust gets his answer - the right one #opendata | Mar 10 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Swedish female cop who interrogated !WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is friends with one of his accusers http://www.thelocal.se/32506/ | Mar 10 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Shuttlecock admits to attacking GNOME on behalf of #Microsoft !Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/3ga0a | Mar 10 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Carl Sagan is the new Isaiah Mustafa http://ur1.ca/3g845 !science | Mar 10 13:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] If only launchpad.net was as fast as github *sigh* | Mar 10 13:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Space shuttle launch: From the booster rockets' point of view http://ur1.ca/3ggvv !science | Mar 10 13:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] How Do People Respond to Being Touched by a Robot? http://ur1.ca/3ggw2 !science | Mar 10 13:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #RIAA Not Happy With Rep. Lofgren Calling Out ICE For Web #Censorship - http://bit.ly/hxRh5O classic @mmasnick analysis & debunking | Mar 10 13:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] RT @stav Minor !stats milestone: Today we are 2/3 of the way to 100 million dents http://identi.ca/notice/66666666 Too bad mot an intere ... | Mar 10 13:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@brokep All my facebook messages I ever wrote and deleted are back now with the new update. Thanks for keeping that data against my wishes! | Mar 10 13:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] compiling PHP because they don't push their fixes upstream. sigh | Mar 10 13:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] New #Facebook Feature Empowers the Dangerous "Comment Nazis" http://ur1.ca/3gh0c #freespeech #privacy #wtf | Mar 10 13:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetfedora: Adam Young: FreeIPA 2.0 RC3 http://bit.ly/enAZRJ #freeipa #software #free #ldap | Mar 10 14:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Just thank #USA imperialism: #Afghanistan lets #Blackwater stay despite shakeup of security contractors http://ur1.ca/3gh56 | Mar 10 14:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Server seems awesome so far. I thank @mymcserv. :D | Mar 10 14:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] HP: The Linux Desktop Company (ZDNet) http://lwn.net/Articles/432871/rss | Mar 10 14:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @mozillazinefr La Release Candidate de Firefox 4 disponible le 9 mars via @zdnetfr http://zdnet.fr/39758722 | Mar 10 14:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm now using Joli OS. It was very easy to install and very easy to use, but some things I'm used to are missing, nothing important yet tho | Mar 10 14:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It's not immediately clear to me how I change the resolution either, yet | Mar 10 14:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek & Poke Phone Etiquette http://goo.gl/Ofkzn | Mar 10 14:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Thunderbird getting some !Unity love http://goo.gl/TaE91 | Mar 10 14:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Unity 3.6.4 Brings Resizable Launcher, ALT + F2 Run Dialog, More http://goo.gl/BMwQd !ubuntu #natty | Mar 10 14:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] !listening to Muse - Starlight | Mar 10 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] There's no identica app in @Jolicloud and @chromedeck is missing even though it's chrome app. This is bit counter-intuitive | Mar 10 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @agentdero The preparation I did on @omgsuse and the !openSUSE 11.4 launch gave me a new perspective on how friendly and cooperative ... | Mar 10 14:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Jolicloud appears to support Adobe AIR, so it looks like I can install the @desktopdeck but not @chromedeck. I must be missing something | Mar 10 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: I mostly agree with this column! RT @mrchan : will bypass usual channels & point out column http://tgam.ca/wBn | Mar 10 14:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh man, identica is messed up ATM.... | Mar 10 14:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK, I'm off to bed. I need sleep.... Oo | Mar 10 14:47 | |
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| Daemonfc | Now I know these numbers are cooked | Mar 10 14:54 |
| Daemonfc | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=compiz_2011_hits&num=2 | Mar 10 14:54 |
| Daemonfc | Nvidia's proprietary driver is so full of hacks that you get to choose between a 5% performance penalty to force it to sync with AIGLX | Mar 10 14:54 |
| Daemonfc | or having artifacts and random crap draw to the screen | Mar 10 14:55 |
| Daemonfc | Compiz developers some time ago recommended ditching nvidia for nouveau | Mar 10 14:55 |
| Daemonfc | proprietary drivers are fast, until they get around to panicking the kernel, freezing X, drawing weird shit to the screen, make your Wine apps malfunction in bizarre ways and breaking into jono's apartment to steal his lunch, use the toilet, and not flush | Mar 10 14:57 |
| jono | lol | Mar 10 14:58 |
| Daemonfc | poor jono, I'd hate to be jono when he has to piss all over the proverbial corn flakes of all the Ubuntu ricers that won't be able to use Wayland | Mar 10 14:59 |
| Daemonfc | jono: I'm curious, perhaps you can enlighten me a bit | Mar 10 15:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @jonobacon Congrats to the OpenSuSE team for their release of OpenSuSE 11.4 - http://is.gd/rvLu6C :-) #opensuse | Mar 10 15:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Wayland For The Ubuntu Unity Desktop Redux: While there have been some battles waged recently between Canonical ... http://bit.ly/gWT7gI | Mar 10 15:00 | |
| Daemonfc | Given that I presume it sucks having to depend on Red Hat and Novell to make Ubuntu function, what is your diabolical master plan for when October gets here? | Mar 10 15:00 |
| Daemonfc | are you going to dump proprietary driver users to X and say good luck with that? | Mar 10 15:01 |
| Daemonfc | proprietary drivers = third world Ubuntu experience since they can't use Wayland | Mar 10 15:01 |
| Daemonfc | I figure that was the real goal in using Compiz in Unity | Mar 10 15:01 |
| Daemonfc | mutter does not play nice with crap drivers | Mar 10 15:02 |
| Daemonfc | whereas Compiz is full of hacks and work arounds | Mar 10 15:02 |
| Daemonfc | hiding the problems in the users system is not a solution, it's a bandage | Mar 10 15:03 |
| Daemonfc | eventually the hacks cause their own problems | Mar 10 15:03 |
| MinceR | i thought the diabolical master plan involved mono | Mar 10 15:03 |
| Daemonfc | you should really get the users thinking about what else may be wrong with the binary drivers | Mar 10 15:03 |
| Daemonfc | tell them to direct their anger at Nvidia | Mar 10 15:03 |
| Daemonfc | when I was using nvidia I found it doing all kinds of not nice things to my system | Mar 10 15:04 |
| Daemonfc | it almost makes FGLRX look like the virgin birth | Mar 10 15:04 |
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| Daemonfc | ATI still overwrites libGL but they undo the damage when you uninstall the driver | Mar 10 15:05 |
| Daemonfc | Nvidia not only doesn't fix their mess when they leave, they take a wrecking ball to your X.org/Mesa | Mar 10 15:06 |
| Daemonfc | basically they sabotage your system so that removing their driver means you can't use a competing one later | Mar 10 15:06 |
| Daemonfc | not without fixing a lot of files they overwrote | Mar 10 15:07 |
| Daemonfc | I don't like software that barges in and decides that they own my system now | Mar 10 15:07 |
| MinceR | is there some script or whatever that turns an arbitrary nvidia binary driver installer into a well-behaved package? | Mar 10 15:08 |
| MinceR | .deb or whatever | Mar 10 15:08 |
| Daemonfc | yes, Ubuntu makes it behave if you use their deb | Mar 10 15:08 |
| Daemonfc | judicious use of symlinking | Mar 10 15:08 |
| Daemonfc | same thing with Debian, OpenSuse, and RPM Fusion (Fedora) | Mar 10 15:09 |
| Daemonfc | you need to find a package that's made for your distro that doesn't let it get away with taking a shit all over your system | Mar 10 15:09 |
| Daemonfc | this makes custom kernels a real chore | Mar 10 15:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Tomorrow is World Day Against Cyber Censorship http://march12.rsf.org/en/ http://bit.ly/fmcA9p | Mar 10 15:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://twitter.com/PJCrowley/st... http://bit.ly/hGM2Fy | Mar 10 15:10 | |
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| Daemonfc | I still think that anyone who enabled the proprietary nvidia driver is basically throwing caution to the wind and don't care that it's opening up security problems and stability issues | Mar 10 15:11 |
| MinceR | or they don't know | Mar 10 15:11 |
| MinceR | or they think it's worth the performance | Mar 10 15:12 |
| Daemonfc | there's one documented case of Nvidia sitting on a Critical security problem, that they knew about | Mar 10 15:12 |
| Daemonfc | for two years | Mar 10 15:12 |
| MinceR | after paying for the gpu... | Mar 10 15:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm worried I'm sickening for something. I never feel tired this early normally, but I do tonight :) | Mar 10 15:12 | |
| oiaohm | MS record is 10 years. Daemonfc | Mar 10 15:12 |
| oiaohm | + | Mar 10 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes for a known secuirty flaw left open. | Mar 10 15:12 |
| Daemonfc | yeah, the bug in the 16 bit NTVDM That Google went nuts over | Mar 10 15:12 |
| oiaohm | No no | Mar 10 15:13 |
| Daemonfc | those files don't exist in the 64-bit Windows | Mar 10 15:13 |
| oiaohm | I was refering the the IE 6 bug where you could take complete control of the computer remotely | Mar 10 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Right down at kernel level. | Mar 10 15:13 |
| MinceR | and what about the autostart hole? :> | Mar 10 15:14 |
| oiaohm | That was in there since the first version IE6 | Mar 10 15:14 |
| oiaohm | to be correct first version of IE | Mar 10 15:14 |
| Daemonfc | MinceR: I've always disabled autorun | Mar 10 15:14 |
| MinceR | iirc they "fixed" it but even that's a halfassed "fix" | Mar 10 15:14 |
| Daemonfc | it's been abused for years, even by Sony to install malware | Mar 10 15:14 |
| MinceR | only for usb mass storage or something like that | Mar 10 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically atleast Nvidia bugs are not network reaching. | Mar 10 15:15 |
| MinceR | that hole is like 15 years old or what? | Mar 10 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Also the ping of control bug in windows. | Mar 10 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Varation on ping of death. | Mar 10 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Reason why MS machines will not answer a ping unless you are in the same network as them. | Mar 10 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Basically MS list of 10 year old take control over network are long and many. | Mar 10 15:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Dear !lazywebs, does anyone have a suggestion of a cheap USB #Skype / #VoIP pone that works natively in #Linux? | Mar 10 15:19 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 10 15:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ffii/@ffii] Happy 10th anniversary! @fsfe http://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20110310-01.en.html | Mar 10 15:20 | |
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| utsuwa | o/ | Mar 10 15:31 |
| utsuwa | whats up with the website? | Mar 10 15:31 |
| utsuwa | no news for severla days. schestowitz on vacation? | Mar 10 15:32 |
| cubexyz | yes | Mar 10 15:32 |
| utsuwa | several* | Mar 10 15:32 |
| utsuwa | really? | Mar 10 15:32 |
| cubexyz | yes :) | Mar 10 15:32 |
| utsuwa | did he make some kind of announcement that I missed? | Mar 10 15:32 |
| cubexyz | maybe in the logs... I didn't see any | Mar 10 15:33 |
| utsuwa | i c | Mar 10 15:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] OpenSUSE 11.4: SUSE Linux Revitalized http://is.gd/k0dVcI #gnu #linux #opensuse | Mar 10 15:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @nandaweiden: “Why you need #document #freedom | opensource.com” — http://ur1.ca/3gi3o #odf #office #msoffice | Mar 10 15:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @ggreenwald: Amnesty calls for protests against Obama administration over Bradley #Manning's treatment: http://is.gd/IGP681 !wikileaks | Mar 10 15:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Quick Look: openSUSE 11.4 http://is.gd/mKemrq #gnu #linux #microsoft #windows | Mar 10 15:37 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Not vaction moving house | Mar 10 15:37 |
| cubexyz | ah ok | Mar 10 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Ok kinda a vacation just with a lot of heavy lifting. | Mar 10 15:38 |
| Daemonfc | OpenLawSuit 11.4 is out | Mar 10 15:38 |
| Daemonfc | joy | Mar 10 15:38 |
| cubexyz | a not so fun vacation | Mar 10 15:38 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Google-s-security-tool-infected-with-trojan-1205886.html << It is fun watching this. | Mar 10 15:39 |
| Daemonfc | I notice OpenSuse always seems to plan their key components around what the nonfree drivers support | Mar 10 15:39 |
| oiaohm | In 12 months time we should be able to really question MS we are infected due to market share. ie Android can resist the viruses why cannot windows. | Mar 10 15:39 |
| cubexyz | just not well designed | Mar 10 15:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @meegoexperts #Nokia #N900 gets more Community love update CSSU – #Maemo http://mge.bz/5Y | Mar 10 15:40 | |
| cubexyz | easy to use == easy to infect | Mar 10 15:41 |
| cubexyz | example: plan 9 is hard to use, and never gets infected | Mar 10 15:41 |
| cubexyz | plus barely anyone knows how to even use it :) | Mar 10 15:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @JPBarlow: World Day Against Cyber-Censorship - 12 March 2011 http://bit.ly/ff2h7T v @Lucatoledo !wikileaks !autonomous | Mar 10 15:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] that bastion of all things freedom related #SaudiArabia have their Police firing on protesters http://tighturl.com/2zvh | Mar 10 15:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @wikileaks: Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://bit.ly/g22GV8 !wikileaks | Mar 10 15:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Why you NEED document freedom http://is.gd/qn2w1W #dfd #dfd2011 #odf | Mar 10 15:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] De ce îți TREBUIE libertatea documentelor http://is.gd/qn2w1W #dfd #dfd2011 #romania #office #msoffice #software #politics @mcsiromania | Mar 10 15:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: The Sony PS3 Class File An Amended Complaint - http://bit.ly/euhWoA #sony #ps3 #linux #dmca #legal | Mar 10 15:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Moderating the "open source business workshop" this morning. Should be fun. http://www.scs.org.sg/event_detail.php?vieweventdetail=340 #fb | Mar 10 15:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "Mr Speaker, I can't listen to what was just said, so I'm going to wade through this punchline I wrote two days ago as a sound bite reply" | Mar 10 16:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: @gomerx @beefymiracle I hope you win. Fedora needs more meat product oriented features. | Mar 10 16:12 | |
| Daemonfc | downloading a Xubuntu daily CD for that laptop I'm going to give to my brother | Mar 10 16:12 |
| Daemonfc | I wouldn't expect Ubuntu or Kubuntu to work well | Mar 10 16:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] for many #Labour are still the #IllegalWar party, no amount of "we've moved on" will change that, sending Blair to the Hague is a good start | Mar 10 16:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "we moved on" doesn't even begin to cut it to make up for the lies, and lives cost both to coalition forces and Iraqis | Mar 10 16:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @simonm223: Voting is not a democratic right. It is a democratic duty! #cdnpoli | Mar 10 16:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: It is not harm to legalize private activities people were doing anyway. #c32 builds respect for © | Mar 10 16:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: @copyrightcanada References? Are you talking about real tech, or an episode of StarTrek? #C32 | Mar 10 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter slight correction "led by special interests" "staffed by politicians", although the ability to inflict misery is the same | Mar 10 16:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms 449 tser : If I word it right, he'll kill me. http://bit.ly/et9Hl5 #amwriting #Chevenga #weblit | Mar 10 16:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: Have not received LJ comment notification in a week. Average 80+ comments per entry. Dear LJ: Fuck you with a chainsaw. | Mar 10 16:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: ...I seem to have offended LJ so much with that last Tweet that it is now giving me a comment view from 1995. #wtf | Mar 10 16:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: Dear LJ: Stop hosting spammers and get yourself un-blacklisted, or you're going to bed with NO DESSERT. | Mar 10 16:29 | |
| Daemonfc | those spam block services are really arbitrary | Mar 10 16:29 |
| Daemonfc | they get one guy with a DSL line pumping out spam, so they block all of the million customers his ISP has in that state | Mar 10 16:30 |
| Daemonfc | don't call the ISP and complain, don't file a lawsuit with a discovery motion | Mar 10 16:30 |
| Daemonfc | lets just block 999,999 innocent people over one peckerhead | Mar 10 16:30 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 10 16:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Here! Here! RT @davidakin Min State Gary Lunn on #Chara hit: We'd like to see #NHL take action to prevent this injury. | Mar 10 16:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Good news, everyone! I didn't add too much sriracha to my ramen. But I did squirt it all over my side of the room #fail | Mar 10 16:30 | |
| Daemonfc | I had to get ahold of GMX and complain because their anti-spam service that they subscribe to was blocking me from sending any email | Mar 10 16:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Well, if you delight in being fastidious & correct it is...RT @gregobr @TonyClement_MP Isn't it "Hear, hear"? | Mar 10 16:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: Bradley Mannings disgraceful treatment in his own words - his lawyer releases details. http://bit.ly/fkwyeN | Mar 10 16:32 | |
| Daemonfc | the proper way to deal with a spammer is through the court system, not just blocking ISPs randomly | Mar 10 16:32 |
| Daemonfc | Herpa derp, we blocked the whole internet, you won't get any spam now! | Mar 10 16:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: RT @CanadiensMTL Letter from Geoff Molson to Canadiens fans. Read: http://goha.bs/eNv18h | Mar 10 16:34 | |
| Daemonfc | instead of using free stuff like Bogofilter, they subscribe to this junk (or make their own, like Hotmail) | Mar 10 16:34 |
| Daemonfc | and it starts sorting your messages wrong | Mar 10 16:34 |
| Daemonfc | yes, thanks guys, every Viagra spammer gets to my inbox but a letter from my dad is junk | Mar 10 16:35 |
| Daemonfc | terrific | Mar 10 16:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Min. of State (Americas) Peter Kent lobbied by Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/gQ5vE7 | Mar 10 16:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @howardknopf: CSI: Bill C-32 will cost Songwriters $35 Million a Year - Question - how much gets to CDN artists? http://mwne.ws/eCCx0C | Mar 10 16:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] The decent, innocent couple from the One Show (ACS:Law ep) have commented on OpenBytes.Very brave people for standing up and fighting back. | Mar 10 16:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] For those that have been following the ACS:Law story, link here: http://tinyurl.com/6yu57vs | Mar 10 16:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] industry double standards? I don't believe it http://tighturl.com/2zvj they say it's not, who are we to question them? | Mar 10 16:47 | |
| oiaohm | http://saveandquitgaming.com/2011/03/microsoft-lose-1-2-million-due-to-code-exploit/ | Mar 10 16:48 |
| oiaohm | Really MS will hid the real figure here. | Mar 10 16:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] gonna have to find a suitable place to put the "authors against DRM" logo #thinkingcap http://tighturl.com/2zvl | Mar 10 16:49 | |
| Daemonfc | that the $1.2 Million dollars was just in Monopoly Money? | Mar 10 16:51 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 10 16:51 |
| Daemonfc | and that they'll be OK | Mar 10 16:51 |
| Daemonfc | how do you lose money when people are using sequences of numbers and letter to claim 1's and 0's? | Mar 10 16:52 |
| Daemonfc | that just makes no sense, maybe the RIAA can explain it better than I could | Mar 10 16:53 |
| Daemonfc | :D | Mar 10 16:53 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @quaid: New blog post: Pondering why KDE, GNOME, ASF et al get so many GSoC projects http://bit.ly/fKdZrf | Mar 10 16:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | Bethesda stock plummets, h4x0rs find ways to download free horse armor | Mar 10 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | the horror, the HORROR! | Mar 10 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 10 16:55 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: The bit you miss is MS online store on xbox 360 has no clause that they don't have to pay the software makers for fraud purchases. | Mar 10 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | maybe it will now | Mar 10 16:56 |
| oiaohm | So the question is how much was spent. | Mar 10 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | let other people hold the bag for MS fuckups | Mar 10 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't be new | Mar 10 16:56 |
| oiaohm | But at under a few million its not going to kill MS. | Mar 10 16:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Gaddafi's son took oil from Libyan field http://alturl.com/3b82c !wl | Mar 10 16:57 | |
| DaemonFC | jono used his MS Moolah to download DRM'd WMVs of Justin Bieber | Mar 10 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's OK, live and let live | Mar 10 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | he knows people, pulls strings | Mar 10 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Problem here DaemonFC MS needs the app providers. | Mar 10 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | gets Windows 7 Ultimate, SweatyB signature edition | Mar 10 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Without them they don't have a platform with xbox 360 | Mar 10 16:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Humanitarian free and open source software in the local community by @lhawthorn | http://bit.ly/hGiaDq #FOSS #collaboration | Mar 10 17:00 | |
| DaemonFC | bored, might build a -next kernel | Mar 10 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | ho hum | Mar 10 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | I have my KConfig sufficiently pruned down that it shouldn't fail building for something I don't even need | Mar 10 17:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] any entry level CPU / grapghics cards problematic on #Linux these days? | Mar 10 17:09 | |
| DaemonFC | XFS has seen a major overhaul lately | Mar 10 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | plus the latest Radeon code would be nice to have | Mar 10 17:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange's "Big Picture" letter to Nicky Hager (NZ) from 2007 http://alturl.com/68ydg !wl | Mar 10 17:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Lista comunităților #Linux #dinromania, actualizată http://is.gd/z7OGb3 !slm !romanianfreesoftware !informaticalacastel #gnu #software #free | Mar 10 17:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] apparently i3 is fine in 33 kernel and above, and shared chipset is also generally fine | Mar 10 17:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LibreOffice 3.3.2 Release Candidate 1 available http://is.gd/R8gk4l #lo #libreoffice #office #msoffice #ooo #microsoft #windows | Mar 10 17:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks Sebut Presiden Yudhoyono Salah Gunakan Kekuasaan http://is.gd/x3tUoA !wl | Mar 10 17:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] bit-trip is awesomely addictive! | Mar 10 17:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] We missed this hilarious, and true story, about Assange gate-crashing a US embassy cocktail party http://is.gd/KXHiXM !wl | Mar 10 17:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] realistically. I'm pretty settled into Mint and LMDE so as much as I "can" switch, actually switching is not all that likely | Mar 10 17:49 | |
| DaemonFC | Now this from that dumbass | Mar 10 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTE5OA | Mar 10 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | Declare the Fusion open source driver dead | Mar 10 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | Update: Ubuntu just doesn't ship the firmware | Mar 10 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | oops | Mar 10 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | what a retard | Mar 10 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | the Fusion E-350 has always worked on Fedora 14 | Mar 10 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | all he would have to do to see this was a deficiency in Ubuntu is boot a Fedora CD | Mar 10 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | or go grab the firmware himself and stick it in where Ubuntu's kernel would load it | Mar 10 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | shock jockeys will do or say anything to get attention | Mar 10 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | that way more people load more of his advertising | Mar 10 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | if the E-350 isn't working in Ubuntu, go ask...jono why they decided to fuck over everyone with the device | Mar 10 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | the device's driver is as stable | Mar 10 18:05 |
| oiaohm | I have firmware for a wireless card that refused to load under Ubuntu | Mar 10 18:06 |
| oiaohm | And releated. | Mar 10 18:06 |
| oiaohm | But any non related distribution to Ubuntu works it perfectly. | Mar 10 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | I build my own kernels, I don't trust Ubuntu's kernel any further than I could throw jono | Mar 10 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 10 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | every time I hit a kernel bug on an Ubuntu system, it turns out to be one of their broken patches that caused it | Mar 10 18:07 |
| oiaohm | Failure to work with upstream. | Mar 10 18:07 |
| oiaohm | The pain will just keep on increase. | Mar 10 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | their kernel is already an 11 MB diff patch against mainline | Mar 10 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | that can't be good | Mar 10 18:08 |
| oiaohm | Intersting that firefox lived threw the first day of pwn2own but IE did not. | Mar 10 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | why is that interesting? | Mar 10 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | low hanging fruit | Mar 10 18:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes firefox is lacking a sandbox so in theory should be a softer target. | Mar 10 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's not that Firefox is secure | Mar 10 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's that IE is less secure | Mar 10 18:08 |
| oiaohm | It still proves that IE build teams are still incompetent. | Mar 10 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | what makes me laugh is how Crapple always rushes out a bazillion security patches ahead of Pwn2Own and they always get taken down first anyway | Mar 10 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | the lack of security in OS X is mind boggling | Mar 10 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | it gets taken down faster than Windows | Mar 10 18:10 |
| oiaohm | No. The extra money on the table helps. | Mar 10 18:10 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough chrome did not even get tested the first day. DaemonFC | Mar 10 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | why bother? | Mar 10 18:10 |
| oiaohm | The person who was planing on attacking did not even turn up. | Mar 10 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | nice juicy targets right over there (IE, Firefox, Safai) | Mar 10 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | *Safari | Mar 10 18:11 |
| oiaohm | Really I don't know why you would both going to pwn2own in the first place. | Mar 10 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | why go after the only browser with a real security model? | Mar 10 18:11 |
| oiaohm | The number of bugs you need to win you most like make more momey with firefox and chrome report them straight up. | Mar 10 18:11 |
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| oiaohm | then be albe to by a device as new never touched by anyone else who is majorally evil. | Mar 10 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Google and Firefox have some tempting bug bounties | Mar 10 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I like Chromium for a secure browser at this point | Mar 10 18:12 |
| GoForbes28 | What do you think Glyn and Thistle would say if I suggest that I host TechBytes this week? | Mar 10 18:12 |
| GoForbes28 | I think thoughts towards questionable sanity? | Mar 10 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why I go to lengths to keep AppArmor working | Mar 10 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | it usually just stops me from doing something I need to do | Mar 10 18:13 |
| GoForbes28 | I would use SRWare Iron, just for peace of mind | Mar 10 18:13 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Really I want Firefox vs Chrome | Mar 10 18:13 |
| oiaohm | A single browser at the top allows them to get lazy. | Mar 10 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: Chromium doesn't have the Google crapware or the scary Google EULA | Mar 10 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | I always tell people use Chromium | Mar 10 18:14 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, and SRWare has all possible spying features turned off, and built in adblock and user agent switch to boot | Mar 10 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | the PPA versions of Chromium and the one provided by Tom Callaway for Fedora are compiled with the same optimization options and security settings Google uses for Chrome | Mar 10 18:15 |
| GoForbes28 | Doesn't chromium still have freedom licencing issues? | Mar 10 18:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rsandu: LibreOffice 3.3.2 Release Candidate 1 available http://is.gd/R8gk4l #lo #libreoffice #office #msoffice #ooo #microsoft #windows | Mar 10 18:15 | |
| DaemonFC | Chromium is better because you don't agree that Google can sell you down the river just for starting the application | Mar 10 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's mostly BSD-style licenses | Mar 10 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's free software | Mar 10 18:16 |
| GoForbes28 | so is SRWare Iron, which goes a few steps further | Mar 10 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Google's EULA at one point was fairly vague about what information they could collect and what they could do with it | Mar 10 18:16 |
| GoForbes28 | http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#chromium-browser | Mar 10 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | "Description: Freed version of googles Chrome Web browser | Mar 10 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Homepage: http://www.chromium.org/Home | Mar 10 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Problem: (1) Copyright or license of some code is unclear | Mar 10 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | (2) Links to proprietary plugins. | Mar 10 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Recommended Fix: Remove the package | Mar 10 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | References: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291 | Mar 10 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Copyright file: http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/LICENSE?revision=HEAD&view=markup | Mar 10 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | (Source) package name(s): chromium-browser" | Mar 10 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | it was worded o poorly that for example, if I typed up a blog post and hit submit, it belonged to Google | Mar 10 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | anything you posted anywhere, the copyright was assigned to Google because you used Chrome | Mar 10 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | they fixed that though after users complained enough | Mar 10 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | linking to nonfree software does not make the software nonfree | Mar 10 18:18 |
| GoForbes28 | It doesn't look like all the issues I posted were resolved | Mar 10 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | the FSF has used that as a flimsy excuse to not recommend Google | Mar 10 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | errr Debian | Mar 10 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | *tired | Mar 10 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | Debian doesn't advertise the nonfree repos, they are not enabled by default, and they explicitly do not support them | Mar 10 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | they're there for users who need some nonfree software and go slightly out of their way to get it | Mar 10 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't make Debian less free | Mar 10 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu, on the other hand..... advertises it | Mar 10 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | suggests the user get it | Mar 10 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | and says they support it, even though they obviously can't | Mar 10 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | you tell me which one of those is free or not | Mar 10 18:20 |
| GoForbes28 | RMS has said himself that he appreciates what Google does for the Free software community | Mar 10 18:20 |
| GoForbes28 | He just doesn't throw caution to the wind, and neither do I. | Mar 10 18:21 |
| GoForbes28 | Besides, we're not talking about Debian here, we're talking about Chromium | Mar 10 18:21 |
| GoForbes28 | and I believe Chromium does recommend proprietary plugins | Mar 10 18:21 |
| GoForbes28 | Similar to what Firefox does | Mar 10 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | linking to nonfree software doesn't make you nonfree | Mar 10 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | he uses this in his anti-BSD harassment | Mar 10 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | repeatedly | Mar 10 18:22 |
| GoForbes28 | But it hinders having a totally Free system | Mar 10 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD is more free than GnewSense | Mar 10 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | but the FSF considers it nonfree | Mar 10 18:22 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, it does have proprietary blobs, so | Mar 10 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD audits their licenses more carefully than Gnewsense does | Mar 10 18:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Depends on how you define Free | Mar 10 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Gnewsense has ended up having nonfree software in their repo numerous times | Mar 10 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | including afio | Mar 10 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | almost every time you find out a piece of "free" software actually isn't, it's almost always in the "100% totally free" Linux distros | Mar 10 18:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 if I'm working it out, this is a chat thing? | Mar 10 18:24 | |
| GoForbes28 | They also have less people too | Mar 10 18:24 |
| GoForbes28 | Trisquel seems to do better | Mar 10 18:24 |
| GoForbes28 | As I was saying | Mar 10 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's ridiculous to say 100% totally free | Mar 10 18:24 |
| GoForbes28 | yes, giving you the freedom to do whatever you want is freedom | Mar 10 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | there is no system that's 100% totally free that a human would want to use | Mar 10 18:25 |
| GoForbes28 | but I also think it is important to maintain the freedom for others | Mar 10 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | Gnewsense wouldn't work for me because almost every piece of non-trivial hardware needs firmware to function, and that firmware is usually redistributable, but not free | Mar 10 18:25 |
| GoForbes28 | Trisquel works just fine for me | Mar 10 18:26 |
| GoForbes28 | I bought a laptop without a need for firmware | Mar 10 18:26 |
| GoForbes28 | I researched and chose carefully | Mar 10 18:26 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: there is still firmware | Mar 10 18:26 |
| GoForbes28 | and besides, Gnewsense is a lost cause anyway | Mar 10 18:26 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, but it isn't propreitary | Mar 10 18:26 |
| oiaohm | Difference between firmware loaded by OS and firmware in a rom chip somewhere. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 18:26 |
| GoForbes28 | at least on the software side | Mar 10 18:26 |
| GoForbes28 | well, there is | Mar 10 18:27 |
| GoForbes28 | That I can't control | Mar 10 18:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we have an IRC channel which will be announced when the site is, maybe something for the future, not sure about now | Mar 10 18:27 | |
| oiaohm | Basically no matter what a computer will contain some closed source unless you are the maker. | Mar 10 18:27 |
| oiaohm | Of everything in it. | Mar 10 18:27 |
| oiaohm | In one way loadable fireware is better. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 18:28 |
| oiaohm | simple to update in case of secuirty issues and a better possiblity to clone. | Mar 10 18:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Loadable firmware? | Mar 10 18:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Yes, I know the BIOS isn't free | Mar 10 18:28 |
| GoForbes28 | I know I would have to get a Lemote Yeelong or a OLPC | Mar 10 18:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 have you used psi for a project yourself? I have something else currently in embryonic stage which may have a use for it | Mar 10 18:29 | |
| oiaohm | BIOS core some board can be got with corebios | Mar 10 18:30 |
| oiaohm | Its normally other things like firewire ports and other times you don't have the firmware to and cannot replace in a lot of cases. | Mar 10 18:31 |
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| GoForbes28 | I don't have firewire, therefore it isn't a problem | Mar 10 18:31 |
| GoForbes28 | USB works fine for me | Mar 10 18:31 |
| oiaohm | Nice when you had the firewire bug in a mahcine where you could plug in a special firewire device and override the OS secuirty. | Mar 10 18:32 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, good thing I don't use it | Mar 10 18:32 |
| oiaohm | there have been other cases of hardware devices with issues like that. | Mar 10 18:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] misleading adverts, astroturfing, all standard tools of the trade these days sadly :( http://tighturl.com/2zvq | Mar 10 18:32 | |
| GoForbes28 | Oh wait, we can't call it firewire less we violate Apple's intellectual inventory | Mar 10 18:32 |
| oiaohm | Not a direct driver fault but a fireware | Mar 10 18:32 |
| GoForbes28 | IE 1394 | Mar 10 18:32 |
| oiaohm | firmware | Mar 10 18:33 |
| GoForbes28 | *IEEE 1394 | Mar 10 18:33 |
| oiaohm | There have been a few network cards as well break the firmware write where you like in OS memory. | Mar 10 18:33 |
| oiaohm | IE os netural complete secuirty shot. | Mar 10 18:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 yes, I'm building it, we have a matching irc channel too, both will be launched / announced together for people to join us | Mar 10 18:34 | |
| GoForbes28 | The software that comes with Samsung monitors has been known to overwrite firmware pertaining to Laptop internal monitors, rendering them non-functional | Mar 10 18:34 |
| GoForbes28 | nice eh? | Mar 10 18:34 |
| oiaohm | That is where loadable firmware designs as so so good. | Mar 10 18:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie one static firmware that starts the device | Mar 10 18:35 |
| GoForbes28 | I actually installed said software once, it caused flickering and other odd events, uninstalled it, and the problems went away | Mar 10 18:35 |
| oiaohm | then you load the correction each boot. | Mar 10 18:35 |
| GoForbes28 | So I guess I was one of the lucky ones | Mar 10 18:35 |
| GoForbes28 | BTW, you happen to see my dent on the stupid Windows 8 leaks? | Mar 10 18:35 |
| oiaohm | So if you screw it up. | Mar 10 18:35 |
| oiaohm | Clear the OS you are fine. | Mar 10 18:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Those were the days | Mar 10 18:36 |
| oiaohm | I have not seen what has happened to your dent on Windows 8 leaks | Mar 10 18:36 |
| GoForbes28 | nothing has happened to it? | Mar 10 18:37 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 all 3 of us are busy with different things recently too, so time together to work out and plan has been sparse | Mar 10 18:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] not quite sure #Apple want associated with this image http://tighturl.com/2zvr not exactly the fit, trendy, go-getter lifestyle they sell | Mar 10 18:37 | |
| oiaohm | I have not even been near Windows 8 leaks | Mar 10 18:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 lol your more than welcome to come on the show if you like | Mar 10 18:39 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Let | Mar 10 18:40 |
| GoForbes28 | s find that dent. | Mar 10 18:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I can imagine #Apple lawyers sending out a C&D on the term, demanding it be called something else | Mar 10 18:40 | |
| Ender2070 | im grabbing opensuse 11.4 kde | Mar 10 18:41 |
| oiaohm | Most of the Windows 8 leaks will be PR attempts to get people dancy and willing to buy | Mar 10 18:41 |
| Ender2070 | im curious how it compares against fedora | Mar 10 18:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we have been very erratic in recording times, I've missed a couple of eps due to an off the cuff "lets record" & I'm not in IRC | Mar 10 18:42 | |
| GoForbes28 | ah there we are | Mar 10 18:42 |
| GoForbes28 | "goforbes28 | Mar 10 18:43 |
| GoForbes28 | Look at these drastic Win8 enhancements![/sarcasm] (http://tinyurl.com/69zeq65) A folder-UP button. Wow! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqzmtz) | Mar 10 18:43 |
| GoForbes28 | about a day ago from web at Ontario, Canada" | Mar 10 18:43 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender2070: Please don't insult Fedora like that. ;) | Mar 10 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | by enhacements you mean mock ups | Mar 10 18:43 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah | Mar 10 18:43 |
| GoForbes28 | hence the sarcasm | Mar 10 18:43 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Really I wish distribution would start supporting ksplice out box. | Mar 10 18:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we do currently record in a skype conference, when we get more time to explore we'll try to switch to something free | Mar 10 18:44 | |
| oiaohm | So restart not required. | Mar 10 18:44 |
| GoForbes28 | if anybody believes they are enhancements, there is a bad case of delusion going about | Mar 10 18:44 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Is a sign of MS deperation. | Mar 10 18:44 |
| GoForbes28 | Ksplice? | Mar 10 18:44 |
| oiaohm | Trying to work out how to make Windows 8 sell. | Mar 10 18:44 |
| GoForbes28 | Pouring salt on the wounds... | Mar 10 18:45 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss128/technoarea/ClassicShell.png&imgrefurl=http://technoarea.co.cc/customize-windows-vistas-7s-windows-explorer-using-classic-shell/&usg=__6fIqcWc5RTyZcInsi6M9RDDTD4s=&h=647&w=715&sz=86&hl=en&start=2&sig2=E-qFk8OtrfBKKeLpqDVtTw&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=hLiieoruUHT9WM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dclassic%2Bshell%2Bup%2Bbutton%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26gbv%3D2%26tb | Mar 10 18:45 |
| GoForbes28 | =qIx5Tfe9JMOtqgGYwtWhBw | Mar 10 18:45 |
| GoForbes28 | urgh, try again | Mar 10 18:45 |
| GoForbes28 | http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss128/technoarea/ClassicShell.png | Mar 10 18:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we also don't edit, the whole thing goes out uncut | Mar 10 18:45 | |
| Ender2070 | [21:43] <GoForbes28> Ender2070: Please don't insult Fedora like that. ;) | Mar 10 18:45 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ksplice.com/why | Mar 10 18:45 |
| Ender2070 | competition is good | Mar 10 18:46 |
| oiaohm | Kspice is infact a open source solution GoForbes28 | Mar 10 18:46 |
| oiaohm | That allows you to patch Linux kernel in place. | Mar 10 18:46 |
| oiaohm | So yes if every feature Linux had on offer was being used by distrobutions there is no reason for a Linux to ever need a reboot. | Mar 10 18:46 |
| GoForbes28 | cool | Mar 10 18:47 |
| GoForbes28 | Now that's innovation | Mar 10 18:47 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender2070: Yes, but Microsoft isn't competition | Mar 10 18:47 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Its only 8 years old. | Mar 10 18:47 |
| GoForbes28 | Ubuntu is competition | Mar 10 18:47 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Its not new. | Mar 10 18:47 |
| GoForbes28 | Debian is competition | Mar 10 18:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 I'll fire it onto mint for a quick chat, so we can test it | Mar 10 18:47 | |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: and unix's were doing like ksplice in the 1980~ | Mar 10 18:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically if MS would basically just catch up a lot of people would be thinking new features. | Mar 10 18:49 |
| oiaohm | Of course Linux servers are also aiming to get boot times down in to the seconds. | Mar 10 18:50 |
| GoForbes28 | Or if MS went bust, which is preferable since they demonstrate no evidence of evolution | Mar 10 18:50 |
| Ender2070 | [21:47] <GoForbes28> Ender2070: Yes, but Microsoft isn't competition | Mar 10 18:50 |
| Ender2070 | opensuse isn't microsoft | Mar 10 18:50 |
| oiaohm | opensuse and Novell do dispute. | Mar 10 18:50 |
| oiaohm | A lot. | Mar 10 18:50 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of things done differently in opensuse compared to suse | Mar 10 18:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just fixed the tags and stacked a lotta #Radiohead onto my mp3 player | Mar 10 18:50 | |
| Ender2070 | yup | Mar 10 18:50 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: basically don't mix opensuse up with suse they have different management. | Mar 10 18:51 |
| GoForbes28 | They should just fork FFS before they are too late, like OpenSolaris | Mar 10 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse KDE isn't half bad | Mar 10 18:51 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: I don't think I ever mixed them up | Mar 10 18:51 |
| oiaohm | Solaris still have a few minor tech advantages over Linux | Mar 10 18:52 |
| GoForbes28 | or bring up opensuse for that matter :S | Mar 10 18:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 well, that saves hassle, it's already in the mint / ubuntu repos | Mar 10 18:52 | |
| oiaohm | But its offset by all the other techadvantages Linux has. | Mar 10 18:52 |
| oiaohm | its fun watching the BSD guys scream over HAL disappearing. | Mar 10 18:53 |
| GoForbes28 | uh, oiaohm, can you respond to my comment? | Mar 10 18:53 |
| Ender2070 | 11.4 has firefox 4 even | Mar 10 18:53 |
| GoForbes28 | meh | Mar 10 18:53 |
| GoForbes28 | I never considered things like that "features" | Mar 10 18:53 |
| GoForbes28 | Anybody can install Firefox 4 | Mar 10 18:53 |
| Ender2070 | yeah they can | Mar 10 18:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 both, I installed psi+ | Mar 10 18:54 | |
| Ender2070 | but opensuse integrates firefox with kde | Mar 10 18:54 |
| GoForbes28 | If you have a shitty OS with the GIMP, I wouldn't call the GIMP a feature | Mar 10 18:54 |
| Ender2070 | they support the patches | Mar 10 18:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Intergrate is what way? | Mar 10 18:54 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Sorry I took context wrong at one point. Where Ender2070 and your windows 8 leaks overlaped. | Mar 10 18:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Is it a different implementation from the quasi-GTK mess? | Mar 10 18:55 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: No problem :) | Mar 10 18:55 |
| Ender2070 | uses the kde file dialog | Mar 10 18:55 |
| Ender2070 | giving it KIO support | Mar 10 18:55 |
| Ender2070 | kde device mappings will then work | Mar 10 18:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] another brainfart of @markshuttlecock? | Mar 10 18:55 | |
| Ender2070 | libreoffice | Mar 10 18:56 |
| Ender2070 | kde 4.6 | Mar 10 18:56 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, I personally don't care for KDE, so it isn't a big selling point for me | Mar 10 18:56 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: MS counts OS installed applications in there windows feature list | Mar 10 18:56 |
| GoForbes28 | Plus, OpenSUSE strikes me as bloated | Mar 10 18:56 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: Don't remind me | Mar 10 18:56 |
| Ender2070 | Firefox integration in KDE Plasma, using native file dialogs, oxygen styling (also for GTK applications) and respecting the user’s mail client and browser choices. | Mar 10 18:57 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: All C++ programs are bloated due to current gcc issues. | Mar 10 18:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Billy G: "But they're not applications!! They are components of Windows!!!11" | Mar 10 18:57 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: XFCE seems pretty unbloated right now | Mar 10 18:57 |
| oiaohm | XFCE last time I looked is C. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 18:58 |
| GoForbes28 | I prefer medium-light distros | Mar 10 18:58 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: XFCE wins again | Mar 10 18:58 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: The only thing better would be something programmed in assembly ;) | Mar 10 18:58 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: gcc 4.6 will cut some pounds off everything if distributions use it right. | Mar 10 18:58 |
| Ender2070 | im wondering what version of gcc this uses | Mar 10 18:58 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.4 introduces whole program opt | Mar 10 18:58 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.6 has whole program opt that works. | Mar 10 18:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 alrighty, logged in but can't find any options for setting up the mic / headset | Mar 10 18:59 | |
| Ender2070 | 11.3 had gcc 4.5 | Mar 10 18:59 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: But XFCE will still have a perfomance advantage? | Mar 10 19:01 |
| GoForbes28 | OK, before we continue with the conversation(s), here's a bit of comic relief, free of charge | Mar 10 19:02 |
| GoForbes28 | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IknPfSHrHug/TD5E4Z8WK4I/AAAAAAAABW4/i6L2kVjg4To/s1600/Ignatieff_cheese_763841artw.jpg | Mar 10 19:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] A little comic relief for tough times: http://tinyurl.com/4e2kxkg | Mar 10 19:04 | |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: some places XFCE is slower than KDE. | Mar 10 19:07 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: Blasphamy! | Mar 10 19:07 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: due to XFCE not taking advantage of the GPU that has at least 16 times the processing power of you cpu. | Mar 10 19:07 |
| GoForbes28 | I pretty sure the latest version of XFCE has hardware desktop compositing | Mar 10 19:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] @goforbes28 Hmm cheese! | Mar 10 19:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 on what tab? I can't see any reference to voice | Mar 10 19:09 | |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: No it don't. | Mar 10 19:09 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: And yes it need to get it at some point. | Mar 10 19:09 |
| GoForbes28 | it has compositing, I find it hard to believe it isn't accelerated | Mar 10 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | make localmodconfig is kind of neat :) | Mar 10 19:10 |
| oiaohm | KDE basic window drawing is accelerated. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 19:10 |
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| DaemonFC | it detects the kernel modules that nothing is using and removes them from your config | Mar 10 19:11 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: XFCE is using compositing just to move blocks of data around. Not to transform them. | Mar 10 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | I notice that this way I end up building 420 modules instead of like 2100 | Mar 10 19:11 |
| GoForbes28 | http://customisinglife.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/enabling-xfwms-compositor/ | Mar 10 19:11 |
| oiaohm | ie XFCE usage you video card could be almost completely dumb and make no difference. | Mar 10 19:11 |
| GoForbes28 | "To my understanding the compositor does not have a software fallback." | Mar 10 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | you can use compiz on top of XFCE you know? :) | Mar 10 19:12 |
| GoForbes28 | yes | Mar 10 19:12 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: those are really basic operations. | Mar 10 19:12 |
| GoForbes28 | In XFCE case, I think it is more akin to Windows' GDI++, which provide hardware acceleration to make everything smoother in lieu of special effects | Mar 10 19:13 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: QT off loads a lot of 2d drawing to opengl. | Mar 10 19:13 |
| oiaohm | So Qt can draw straight on the compesited memory. | Mar 10 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | In Windows, WDM wraps around GDI+ | Mar 10 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | you can address WDM directly but few things actually do | Mar 10 19:13 |
| oiaohm | Basically why composite if you toolkits cannot draw directly on composite surfaces. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | GDI+ is legacy crap that just won't die | Mar 10 19:14 |
| GoForbes28 | Actually, it shouldn't die right now, because 99% of general Windows Apps use it | Mar 10 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's why it's there | Mar 10 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | as long as it's there, everyone will be lazy and keep using it | Mar 10 19:15 |
| GoForbes28 | meaning that Windows 7, with it's lack of GDI+ acceleration, actually has much worse performance | Mar 10 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft can never deprecate it either | Mar 10 19:15 |
| GoForbes28 | In other words, no one is satisfied | Mar 10 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're stuck with it | Mar 10 19:15 |
| GoForbes28 | yep | Mar 10 19:15 |
| oiaohm | Really MS is stupid. | Mar 10 19:15 |
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| GoForbes28 | so for the sheep, they make the experience as painful as possible | Mar 10 19:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 that must be a plugin you;re using, I can't find it | Mar 10 19:15 | |
| oiaohm | They have deprecated API in past. | Mar 10 19:15 |
| oiaohm | The smart way is to provide a new API and let the old API die out. | Mar 10 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | they usually won't deprecate something that lots of things actually use | Mar 10 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | and if they do, they usually put out migration tools | Mar 10 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | VB to VB.NET is rather painless | Mar 10 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | so VB is deprecated | Mar 10 19:17 |
| GoForbes28 | hey, this is the same company that made IE6 a dependency, FFS | Mar 10 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, now IE is lugging around several rendering engines and broken JScript interpreters | Mar 10 19:18 |
| GoForbes28 | Yes, but the GDI+ to whateverthehelltheuse isn't a transition | Mar 10 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | lest something break | Mar 10 19:18 |
| oiaohm | MS plan was by now to be Nuking the NT line. | Mar 10 19:18 |
| GoForbes28 | it's handle so badly that it is a critical flaw of the system that the fanboy just shrug off | Mar 10 19:18 |
| oiaohm | And we would be running a .net based OS. | Mar 10 19:18 |
| oiaohm | That kinda did not work. | Mar 10 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | I think they should have dropped IE 6 compatibility and told the broken websites to deal with it | Mar 10 19:19 |
| GoForbes28 | And replace with magical theoretical OS? | Mar 10 19:19 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Its not a theoretical OS. | Mar 10 19:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Doesn't exist, it's vapourware | Mar 10 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of companies bitch that their stupid crufty old intranet is busted if they upgrade IE | Mar 10 19:19 |
| GoForbes28 | And a .net operating system | Mar 10 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | so they never do :) | Mar 10 19:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Are they insane? | Mar 10 19:19 |
| GoForbes28 | See how well a Java OS is doing? | Mar 10 19:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Morons. | Mar 10 19:20 |
| oiaohm | http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/singularity/ << their is the prototype. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 19:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Talk about slow | Mar 10 19:20 |
| GoForbes28 | On the plus side, reverse engineering would be a snap | Mar 10 19:20 |
| oiaohm | And Windows Phone 7 is also trying to force in that direction. | Mar 10 19:20 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: application containment and hidden intergrated drm would also be a snap. | Mar 10 19:21 |
| GoForbes28 | and doing a poor job. | Mar 10 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | an OS in C# is not going to happen outside of a basically functionless novelty | Mar 10 19:21 |
| GoForbes28 | Meh, someone would crack the DRM | Mar 10 19:21 |
| oiaohm | singularity was interesting. | Mar 10 19:21 |
| GoForbes28 | WPF is terrible | Mar 10 19:21 |
| oiaohm | It was the first ms .net to contain a .net to native code complier. | Mar 10 19:21 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: In mind, still vapourware | Mar 10 19:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie means to spit out native binaries. | Mar 10 19:21 |
| GoForbes28 | wipdee-doo | Mar 10 19:22 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: You can download singularity build it and run it. | Mar 10 19:22 |
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| oiaohm | GoForbes28: vapourware says you cannot do even that. | Mar 10 19:22 |
| GoForbes28 | and how far does that go in terms of basic functionality | Mar 10 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | what's funny is thanks to .NET disassemblers, anyone who tries to make anything in any .NET language is exposing their source code | Mar 10 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | you really think Microsoft is going to make an OS with it? | Mar 10 19:22 |
| GoForbes28 | I referenced that | Mar 10 19:22 |
| GoForbes28 | C'mon, you think Microsoft is stupid? | Mar 10 19:23 |
| GoForbes28 | uh.. | Mar 10 19:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Ms did release a watch containing singularity. | Mar 10 19:23 |
| GoForbes28 | a watch | Mar 10 19:23 |
| GoForbes28 | wow | Mar 10 19:23 |
| GoForbes28 | bet it was damned revolutionary | Mar 10 19:24 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: this why I am saying not vaporware. | Mar 10 19:24 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: You can guess how it sold. | Mar 10 19:24 |
| oiaohm | Ie it did not. | Mar 10 19:24 |
| GoForbes28 | ok, technically not vapourware | Mar 10 19:24 |
| GoForbes28 | but given the amount of half-ideas out of M$ these days, I think we made to expand the definition | Mar 10 19:25 |
| oiaohm | Techically is a failed product. | Mar 10 19:25 |
| GoForbes28 | a useless nothing is still vapour | Mar 10 19:25 |
| oiaohm | The watch was a phone watch to be a revelution in comunications. | Mar 10 19:25 |
| oiaohm | Ie KIN mark 1 | Mar 10 19:25 |
| oiaohm | KIN phone followed it. | Mar 10 19:26 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, a revolution in ineptness | Mar 10 19:26 |
| oiaohm | Now we have WP7 trying to keep the .net on mobiles alive to hopefully allow .net on desktops to take off. | Mar 10 19:26 |
| oiaohm | I am not seeing good odds of anything of this working. | Mar 10 19:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 it needs the psimedia addon | Mar 10 19:27 | |
| oiaohm | Really its not ineptness Ms could see arm being a major player coming. | Mar 10 19:28 |
| oiaohm | MS could see lot of there applications would not work accress cpu types. | Mar 10 19:29 |
| GoForbes28 | As DaemonFC said, .net in an OS would only possibly kinda work on a phone, because it can be locked down | Mar 10 19:29 |
| GoForbes28 | Of course, saying "work" is being generous :) | Mar 10 19:29 |
| oiaohm | MS was hoping for .net to save there ass. | Mar 10 19:29 |
| oiaohm | Yet the complete time MS has failed to get software makers onboard. | Mar 10 19:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 I have it set, you are freakzoid right? | Mar 10 19:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 yep, I guessed that was you on my buddy list | Mar 10 19:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 appanrtly your offline, or not authorised, I dont use jabber normally | Mar 10 19:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler Now the nosedive begins 4 Nokia... | Mar 10 19:34 | |
| GoForbes28 | I think Sony Vegas is one of the few that has | Mar 10 19:36 |
| GoForbes28 | and even then, only partially | Mar 10 19:36 |
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| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Sony Vages is not the top in its field. Lightworks that is plan is to be cross platform without .net | Mar 10 19:42 |
| GoForbes28 | "Open source" since 1989? | Mar 10 19:45 |
| GoForbes28 | Really? | Mar 10 19:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler No one who goes to bed with M$ leaves the bed well. It's like a std in the day after. And many die of it. | Mar 10 19:45 | |
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| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Open source since 1989 refering to what. | Mar 10 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | in an ideal world, all software would be free and open source | Mar 10 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | in an ideal world there would also be no rape, murder, kidnappings, or child molesters | Mar 10 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | take home point, not a perfect world | Mar 10 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that these firmware blobs are proprietary really makes no sense most of the time anyway | Mar 10 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | what trade secret is Realtek keeping in making integrated NIC firmware a blob? | Mar 10 19:56 |
| oiaohm | Cheats on benchmarking. DaemonFC | Mar 10 19:58 |
| oiaohm | Also some of the hardware is badly design secuirty wise. | Mar 10 19:59 |
| oiaohm | So if you can do what ever you want you could basically run a hidden virus there. | Mar 10 19:59 |
| GoForbes28 | sorry | Mar 10 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | still here | Mar 10 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: from wikipedia: | Mar 10 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | LightworksDeveloper(s)EditShare LLC | Mar 10 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Initial release1989 | Mar 10 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Stable release1.3 / January 2009; 2 years ago | Mar 10 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Operating systemMicrosoft Windows | Mar 10 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | TypeNon-linear editing system | Mar 10 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | LicenseOpen Source | Mar 10 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Websiteeditshare.com ? Lightworks | Mar 10 20:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] José Padilha vai dirigir o remake de Robocop... Não sei se choro ou se rio... | Mar 10 20:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms : It is Kallijas who does it http://bit.ly/et9Hl5 #Chevenga #weblit #reading #scifi | Mar 10 20:10 | |
| oiaohm | Lightworks started life as a closed source product GoForbes28 | Mar 10 20:11 |
| oiaohm | Editshare is quite a major server producer for high end production. There servers are Linux based. | Mar 10 20:12 |
| oiaohm | There objective by aquiring Lightworks is to get a good video editor on Linux. | Mar 10 20:13 |
| GoForbes28 | Aren't there already some good editors? | Mar 10 20:14 |
| oiaohm | Not in lightworks class. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 20:15 |
| GoForbes28 | What stage of development is it at? | Mar 10 20:16 |
| oiaohm | Binary for windows is released of course. Source code is in legal department of course to be completely audited by middle of year. | Mar 10 20:16 |
| oiaohm | Binary for windows is released free of course. | Mar 10 20:17 |
| oiaohm | So something better than Sony Vagas for nothing for windows users at moment. | Mar 10 20:17 |
| oiaohm | Lightworks is able for most operations do them realtime. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 20:18 |
| GoForbes28 | are there screenshot? | Mar 10 20:19 |
| GoForbes28 | s | Mar 10 20:19 |
| oiaohm | http://www.lightworksbeta.com/ | Mar 10 20:20 |
| oiaohm | http://www.lightworksbeta.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=112&Itemid=246 And they are not slowing down feature development just because Linux and Mac support is on the roadmap. | Mar 10 20:22 |
| GoForbes28 | looks very unique | Mar 10 20:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes its funny they are calling it a Beta because the source code is not released. Not that is unstable or anything. | Mar 10 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | I bought Lightworks when it was proprietary | Mar 10 20:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] In Arista v LimeWire court rejects RIAA contention it is entitled to statutory damages for each direct infringer http://bit.ly/eZbVfE #riaa | Mar 10 20:25 | |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: what interface standards where there in 1989 | Mar 10 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | the Amiga was the most advanced computer of the 80s | Mar 10 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | nothing else really even touched it | Mar 10 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason the PC and Mac did better was because the Amiga was priced well out of the range of home computers | Mar 10 20:27 |
| oiaohm | Lightworks and Blender are both from around the same time frame in interface design. | Mar 10 20:28 |
| oiaohm | When you use to design interfaces for task. Not have patterns to follow. | Mar 10 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | AmigaOS 4 ended up with a cult following too but they made this stupid inexplicable decision to target PowerPC | Mar 10 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | which meant you were left to go buy a Mac, format Mac OS off, and install AmigaOS manually | Mar 10 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | or buy this outrageously overpriced PPC system from them | Mar 10 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | obviously they would have sold better if they targeted the x86 PC | Mar 10 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | BeOS made the same mistake | Mar 10 20:30 |
| *DaemonFC used and liked BeOS | Mar 10 20:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Haiku seems to be progressing slowly | Mar 10 20:30 |
| GoForbes28 | yes | Mar 10 20:34 |
| GoForbes28 | about the same pace as reactos | Mar 10 20:35 |
| GoForbes28 | maybe a little faster | Mar 10 20:35 |
| oiaohm | The problem with being a edge OS | Mar 10 20:35 |
| oiaohm | Is lack of resources. | Mar 10 20:35 |
| oiaohm | You can even see FreeBSD screaming out for resources. | Mar 10 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD seems to be doing OK | Mar 10 20:36 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Mar 10 20:36 |
| oiaohm | Its still depending on items like HALd and other parts that have been declared dead. DaemonFC | Mar 10 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | declared dead in Linux | Mar 10 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | someone could maintain them for FreeBSD | Mar 10 20:37 |
| oiaohm | hald is declared dead by freedeskop.org | Mar 10 20:38 |
| GoForbes28 | At least there are a fair amount of BSD | Mar 10 20:38 |
| oiaohm | Was declared non mainatined 3 years ago. DaemonFC | Mar 10 20:38 |
| oiaohm | And no one has turned up. DaemonFC | Mar 10 20:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Plaintiffs...presented no facts that... indicate...allegation is anything more than speculation."~Hon.Rudi M. Brewster http://bit.ly/eZbVfE | Mar 10 20:39 | |
| oiaohm | Its a borning but important job. | Mar 10 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | nothing in a Linux distribution has any business depending on HAL | Mar 10 20:39 |
| oiaohm | Linux has paid coders todo the work. | Mar 10 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | but some things still do | Mar 10 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Mar 10 20:39 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of the smaller OS's need to look at a foundation model. | Mar 10 20:40 |
| oiaohm | So they have so much money each year to pay a coder full time to deal with the crap no one else wants to deal with. | Mar 10 20:40 |
| GoForbes28 | or you make it enjoyable | Mar 10 20:41 |
| GoForbes28 | you just need to fulfill intrinsic motivators | Mar 10 20:41 |
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| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Never works. | Mar 10 20:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @ghosthand A website that plays ambient music underneath live NYPD radio: http://youarelistening.to/newyork (via Sage Francis) | Mar 10 20:42 | |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: there is always that dark edge somewhere that a person needs to be bribed to touch. | Mar 10 20:42 |
| GoForbes28 | Ah | Mar 10 20:43 |
| GoForbes28 | I assume these tasks are repetitive? | Mar 10 20:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Righthaven ramping up the silly lawsuits again http://tighturl.com/2zvw | Mar 10 20:44 | |
| DaemonFC | I just merged Linux 2.6.38-rc8 with drm-radeon-testing, patched AppArmor, stripped the kernel of everything I don't use, and set it up with all the neat stuff like realtime and transparent huge pages | Mar 10 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 10 20:45 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Not exactly repetitive. Normally the task that to the end user look exactly the same. | Mar 10 20:49 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Some can be insanely hard to fix. Ie lack of reward for effort basically. | Mar 10 20:50 |
| GoForbes28 | I don't know | Mar 10 20:50 |
| GoForbes28 | extrinisic motivators tend to only work with very simple tasks | Mar 10 20:51 |
| GoForbes28 | with problem solving and abstract thinking, they become useless | Mar 10 20:51 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Blenders good motivator is the movie projects. | Mar 10 20:51 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Those are funded of course. | Mar 10 20:51 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Google summer of code only so useful because it cannot be targeted against the complex problems. | Mar 10 20:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie summer of code has cleaned up some of the dark crap conners of open source. | Mar 10 20:52 |
| GoForbes28 | summer of code is one of the best ideas I've seen in awhile | Mar 10 20:53 |
| oiaohm | Foundation model like blender and others. | Mar 10 20:53 |
| oiaohm | Works very well along side it. | Mar 10 20:53 |
| GoForbes28 | well, I better get to sleep | Mar 10 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | see you all later | Mar 10 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | good discussions all | Mar 10 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | :/9 | Mar 10 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | :) | Mar 10 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | bye oiaohm | Mar 10 20:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.37.3-libre-lemote and 2.6.32.32-libre2-lemote for !yeeloong !gnewsense are available at http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/ | Mar 10 20:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Must Read: "Tor, XMPP, GPG, Internet security" excellent blog post by @jimmorgan http://ur1.ca/3gnth !privacy #internet #security !lp | Mar 10 20:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @Reuters FLASH: Gaddafi forces enter #Libya's Ras Lanuf oil port and clash with rebels, insurgents say | Mar 10 20:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Body blow! Right hook! I wonder whether "Punch Out" is available on PS3. | Mar 10 21:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @haris !shared Grown Adult Actually Expects To Be Happy http://b1t.it/cvX | Mar 10 21:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Introducing Test Pilot 1.1 http://mzl.la/i2ibAD | Mar 10 21:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla F1: faster. more. http://mzl.la/hYmezM | Mar 10 21:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Prof Kannan now speaking on Spoken Tutorial Project - Main Hall, #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconf | Mar 10 21:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @iThruProxy Sarah Palin: Africa Is A Continent, Rumors I Don't Know That Are 'Lies' http://dlvr.it/JrDMc << #Palin is scary | Mar 10 21:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Just submitted !fedora 's gsoc application! woot! Anyone still want to add ideas? We're up to 20 now! http://ur1.ca/3ep1o | Mar 10 21:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Western countries condemn girl #circumcision in #Africa as barbaric, yet our "civilized" doctors mutilate infant boys' penises daily. | Mar 10 21:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @rrix Just submitted !fedora 's gsoc application! woot! Anyone still want to add ideas? We're up to 20 now! http://ur1.ca/3ep1o | Mar 10 21:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @rrix still considering a possibility for having an embedded effort for the application. do lack a LOT of time these days :-s | Mar 10 21:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @lamm do you know that medical experts used to insist that circumcision didn't cause baby boys pain | Mar 10 21:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Indian Govt is spending good amount of money for promoting FOSS - Prof Kannan - #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconf | Mar 10 21:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Ubuntu has proven that it's almost impossible to sandbox a browser with AppArmor | Mar 10 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | even with all the dangerous things it has to allow to get the thing to work, it will still interfere with the user and make the browser seem broken | Mar 10 21:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I'm not finished the (hopefully) final edit of !mynovel so I will continue being anti-social a bit longer | Mar 10 21:44 | |
| DaemonFC | I want them to just give up and admit that when you allow access to /sys/proc and the user can't open a text file he just downloaded, game over | Mar 10 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | # chromium mmaps all kinds of things for speed. | Mar 10 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | /etc/passwd m, | Mar 10 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | /usr/share/fonts/truetype/**/*.tt[cf] m, | Mar 10 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | /usr/share/fonts/**/*.pfb m, | Mar 10 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | /usr/share/mime/mime.cache m, | Mar 10 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | /usr/share/icons/**/*.cache m, | Mar 10 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | owner /dev/shm/pulse-shm* m, | Mar 10 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | owner @{HOME}/.local/share/mime/mime.cache m, | Mar 10 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | owner /tmp/** m, | Mar 10 21:46 |
| *DaemonFC head desks :) | Mar 10 21:46 | |
| DaemonFC | AppArmor and SELinux only really work well on programs and daemons that have a rather limited and well defined set of tasks they perform | Mar 10 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | they don't scale to a web browser | Mar 10 21:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @JFbookman Top 4 Book Formatting Mistakes to Avoid: http://ur1.ca/3gofm !SelfPub | Mar 10 21:47 | |
| DaemonFC | by the time you get a profile that works you've just given it a significant amount of access to the system anyway | Mar 10 21:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] that's it for me... goodnight !identica | Mar 10 21:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Calligra Suite Talk will go from 11.00 am to 4pm in Hall - S2, #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconf | Mar 10 21:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @fsf: Free Software Supporter in Brazilian Portuguese (Thanks to Bruno Buys) -- http://www.fsf.org/pt-br/fss-2011-02 #fsf #gnu #dbd | Mar 10 22:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Can somebody convert my small QT/C++ code into PyQT/Webkit, http://ur1.ca/3gov8 #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconf | Mar 10 22:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] OH @heatsynclabs @huertanix "She has 544 friends, add her on facebook, she's a slut for friends" | Mar 10 22:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rlyehbob: @KinshinC All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that Lord Cthulhu wake up! | Mar 10 22:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @sjsf #Earthquake magnitude upgraded to 8.8. Massive #Tsunami hits #Japan. | Mar 10 22:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] USGS: Japan quake measured 8.8. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0001xgp.php | Mar 10 22:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I got i386 Kubuntu, I need 64 bit. Do anybdy has any ? #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconf | Mar 10 23:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Group Photograph at KDE conf, Everybody please assemble #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconf , Time Before Lunch | Mar 10 23:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Some claims about tsunami and fires. http://meonjaiku.jaiku.com/presence/1cdefaf7106847dea21768f498afaca5 | Mar 10 23:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] rd @nytimes NYT NEWS ALERT: Tsunami Hits Japan After 8.8 Magnitude Earthquake Off Coast | Mar 10 23:05 | |
| oiaohm | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_92 | Mar 10 23:08 |
| oiaohm | I do find something intersting that Ubuntu trying to make Gnome out as a devil at the moment. Exactly after ubuntu is planing on redirecting funds that would have went to gnome. | Mar 10 23:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] heard something when walking outside and thought: 'There is no speed bump here". When I walked back I saw a dog was run over !OnlyInChina | Mar 10 23:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] :-s | Mar 10 23:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @fauno: update on #parabola development http://ur1.ca/3fsvp #gnu #linuxlibre #mips !gnull !yeeloong | Mar 10 23:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @sjsf #Japan #earthquake magnitude has been upgraded again to 8.9. A Massive #Tsunami has hit Japan. CNN: http://goo.gl/fMw3O | Mar 10 23:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] of course the guy who did it drove away... | Mar 10 23:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Video release: Minecraft Adventures 4 - Fortifications > http://outl.ws/fniKdU #minecraft #linuxoutlaws | Mar 10 23:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK. Identica seems to be back to normal this morning. Good. :) | Mar 10 23:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Democraţia necesită #software liber http://is.gd/NDT54y ( rog RT ) #politica #politics #romania #ro #dinromania #microsoft #windows #apple | Mar 10 23:50 | |
| speexbTniPA | Step in the right direction regarding flash: | Mar 10 23:51 |
| speexbTniPA | ipad-ipad-2-ios-4-3-chrome-safari-windows-nitro-javascript-dre.htm | Mar 10 23:51 |
| speexbTniPA | more need to join Apple in banning flash | Mar 10 23:51 |
| speexbTniPA | http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/120033/20110308/adobe-flash-html-5-wallaby-ios-iphone-ipad-ipad-2-ios-4-3-chrome-safari-windows-nitro-javascript-dre.htm | Mar 10 23:51 |
| speexbTniPA | http://www.inquisitr.com/22264/url-shorteners-the-herpes-of-the-web/ | Mar 10 23:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] 2.6.37.4 #linux #stable review http://bit.ly/ejJxoZ "[...] There are 29 patches in this series [...]" #kernel #2637 | Mar 10 23:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @eff: Don't let the Trans Pacific Partn. become the next ACTA, contact your representative and demand transparency: https://eff.org/r.2z7 | Mar 10 23:55 | |
| speexbTniPA | http://www.paulcarvill.com/2009/04/why-people-should-build-their-own-url-shorteners/ | Mar 10 23:56 |
| oiaohm | There of course is a downside to everything speexbTniPA | Mar 10 23:58 |
| oiaohm | Own link shorteners also means requiring your own site. speexbTniPA | Mar 10 23:59 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Hall S1 - learning QTScript, Hall S2 - learning pyQT, #kdeconf #confkdein #kdeindia | Mar 10 00:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl http://bit.ly/hB1Lvx | Mar 10 00:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry http://bit.ly/hJtrUf | Mar 10 00:06 | |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ7HmcJCi4 | Mar 10 00:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The #Brain Eating #Vaccine #Conspiracy http://ur1.ca/3g501 #Wired #wtf | Mar 10 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Fascinating, bookmarked! Under Pressure: The Search for a #Stress #Vaccine http://ur1.ca/3g58r #Wired #biology | Mar 10 00:15 | |
| Ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxo | Mar 10 00:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Wisconsin: Walker passes illegal anti-American bill, fuck him like we fucked Mubarak and his regime http://ur1.ca/3g5dr | Mar 10 00:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] See Jobs available with Qt - http://fossjobs.in/search/qt #kdeconf #confkdein #kdeindia | Mar 10 00:20 | |
| Ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt | Mar 10 00:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Qt Jobs - http://tinyurl.com/6ef8qrc #kdeconf #confkdein @pradeepto @ApurvaTripathi @madcap_loon @kushaldas @kdeindia @rajitsingh plz RT | Mar 10 00:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 447 Minis votes for a God. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #Minis #fantasy #worthreading | Mar 10 00:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #SarahPalin's Father: 'We Sleep With #Guns' http://ur1.ca/3g5ib I sleep with pillows. | Mar 10 00:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I have a bunch of blog posts to write. I should be working on them, but I'm not. #procrastination | Mar 10 00:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Nongeek friend on #tags: Why not make'em normal links—just highlight/color? All the #'s hurt my eyes; like looking at a broken website. | Mar 10 00:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Anyone time to help #openSUSE? screenshots page must be updated. http://bit.ly/eZiVFG screenshots here: http://bit.ly/evVe5Y | Mar 10 01:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @eLiberatica: #Mozilla makes a better case for #web #apps in minutes than #Google did in months http://is.gd/Yiw7dp | Mar 10 01:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @alpvonkri: #openSUSE #Linux 11.4 será oficialmente lanzado mañana 10 / Marzo / 2011 a las 8:00am (Tiempo del Centro de México) | Mar 10 01:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mem: Yay! I'm getting a new PC at work, now it only has to get thru the paperwork :-P Can't wait to get #debian on it :-) | Mar 10 01:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Holy bullshit, Batman! No Anonymous Browsing http://ur1.ca/3g5zs #UK #O2 #iPhone #censorship #fail | Mar 10 01:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @stephiedg Annma's talk has started in the main auditorium! It's about how to start contributing to KDE-edu : #confkdein #kdeindia | Mar 10 01:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @akavoor I'm giving away 500 Kubuntu CDs today, post lunch at #confkdein #kdeindia | Mar 10 01:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I have SchoolOS Digital Library (2GB) - http://schooloslibrary.sourceforge.net/ , anyone can come and take - #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 10 01:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @karunakarg have debian squeeze mirror (50GB), if anyone wants #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf #debian | Mar 10 01:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] #Facebook Resistance Workshop at CIS, Bangalore, Apr 02, 2011 http://ur1.ca/3fomi (@hapeeg cc @nsisodiya) #media4d #ICT4D | Mar 10 01:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Video tutorial on Some of the KDE-EDU apps http://ur1.ca/3g6hr @@stephiedg RT #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 10 01:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] openSUSE 11.4 out today; probably will wait for new laptop, though. if there was a release party in Zürich, i'd go *hint* *hint* ;) | Mar 10 01:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to work. | Mar 10 01:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @jasonwoof @danielmarti btrfs is being developed as the successor to ext4. ext4 is older, and much more stable right now. | Mar 10 01:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love @kaz correcting @bkuhn on the time thing. | Mar 10 01:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Conferința Agora despre virtualizare http://www.agora.ro/conferinta/virtualizare-1 #agora #bucuresti | Mar 10 01:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Why, oh why is there an app to send fake SMS to self? More than one! #itsacrazyworld | Mar 10 01:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDE-EDU Contribution Tasks http://ur1.ca/3g6qo http://ur1.ca/3g6qp http://ur1.ca/3g6qq http://ur1.ca/3g6qr #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 10 01:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @chrisblizzard : It's time. The #Mozilla #Firefox 4 Release Candidate is Now Available. And it's awesome. http://mzl.la/edSLxp #web #free | Mar 10 01:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate pentru Windows, Mac și Linux este disponibilă http://is.gd/VgZLMh #romania #software #windows #microsoft | Mar 10 02:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDE-EDU, You can also contribute by creating Video Tutorial using Spoken Tutorial Project #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 10 02:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Next Talk - Stephanie Das Gupta - Contributing more India specific content to KDE-edu apps #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 10 02:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LinkedIn Is About To Make Headlines http://tcrn.ch/edxdPN by @mrinaldesai | Mar 10 02:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @zack nice #editorial by Jonas on the work revolving around the delivery of !FreedomBox to the public http://ur1.ca/3g6ta !Debian | Mar 10 02:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The year of the #FreedomBox http://dr.jones.dk//fb/year/ #free #software #gnu #linux #debian !romania | Mar 10 02:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @TechCrunch: LinkedIn Is About To Make Headlines http://tcrn.ch/edxdPN by @mrinaldesai | Mar 10 02:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @JuniperNetworks : BLOG: New IPv6 blog series from #Juniper http://Ez.com/ipv6 (via @svjn ) #ipv6 #ip6 #net | Mar 10 02:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Will #Microsoft lose $1.1 billion this year because of tablet woes? Not likely http://is.gd/enHypX #android #software #mobile #wp7 | Mar 10 02:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Sitting with @indradg #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 10 02:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sq | Mar 10 02:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] why the crap am I awake and hacking on a ruby cgi script? | Mar 10 02:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Paul-Martini-Schule http://b1t.it/cpP #4sq | Mar 10 03:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Twitter blocked in #Cameroon, unlikely to affect protests - http://bit.ly/fiLUz5 government discovers #Streisand Effect | Mar 10 03:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Peter King's Radicalization Hearings, Explained http://ur1.ca/3g7rz #Republican #hypocrisy #Islamophobia #Congress | Mar 10 03:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Great Green African Wall Planned for Sahara - http://bit.ly/fBvLgT imagine if this had been done instead of invading Iraq... #africa | Mar 10 03:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @DavidAllenGreen #LibelReform campaign publish important pamphlet on what Defamation Bill should contain: http://bit.ly/fuTtdj (pdf) | Mar 10 03:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh weren't ssh and perl originally non-free? o.o | Mar 10 03:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011 | Mar 10 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] http://twatter.com/ that is all. | Mar 10 03:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sq | Mar 10 03:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Un articol necesar în #Wikipedia #RO, vă ROG să contribuiți http://is.gd/8hlU5j ( @legiinternet , @cdriga , @prolinuxro , @avpascal s.a.) :) | Mar 10 03:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek & Poke: How To Deal With Information Overload http://goo.gl/VEcYe | Mar 10 03:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RomiMaier: "4 elemente [...] virtualizare in Data Center", Dan Popa Star Storage LIVE http://www.agora.ro/eveniment-live/virtualizare-0 | Mar 10 03:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Tottenham are into the last eight of the Champions with a 0-0 draw against Milan. Nice work Gallas and Dawson !spurs !football | Mar 10 03:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Openstreetmap, #harta #GPS liberă și gratuită, pe care o poți îmbunătăți și singur http://is.gd/izz5kA #romania #garmin #map | Mar 10 03:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Greg Grossmeier: !Ubuntu Global Jam – #Natty Narwhal http://goo.gl/vx4gN | Mar 10 04:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Daniel Holbach: !Ubuntu Development videocast http://goo.gl/qUQOL | Mar 10 04:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Randall Ross: Master Your Social Networking with Gwibber http://goo.gl/pCMNj | Mar 10 04:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @Sjig: Read the *secret* Dutch GVT report on open source savings here : http://ur1.ca/3g8f6 #egovt #gnu #linux #opensource #free #software | Mar 10 04:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mozilla #Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available - http://bit.ly/h8m1r8 important release | Mar 10 04:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just found my old Tux-Pirate-Brit-Catalan avatar :) | Mar 10 04:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @runa_b 10 year old python champs who got @kushaldas to recheck functions in his code #confkdein http://t.co/zBfgelm | Mar 10 04:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, time to do some work. | Mar 10 04:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Online music sales in #China up by 14 percent - http://bit.ly/gTnym5 despite rampant #piracy | Mar 10 04:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Irish Computer Service Board switches to open source software - http://bit.ly/gzOpZE "forecast to have major migration ramifications" | Mar 10 04:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Let's have a very strong #tea | Mar 10 04:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @gijs: Read the *secret* Dutch GVT report on open source savings here : http://ur1.ca/3g8f6 | Mar 10 04:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MIT Media Labs’ new logo has 40,000 variations - http://bit.ly/dU3hDL clever #design | Mar 10 04:31 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Mar 10 04:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Mark Shuttleworth: Internal competition is healthy, but depends on strong and mature leadership http://goo.gl/cj5Hu !gnome !ubuntu | Mar 10 04:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Thank you, wireshark <# | Mar 10 04:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available http://bit.ly/e8bwbK | Mar 10 05:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☝ Parallel Filing: In the future, where will most of the patents that patent trolls use come from? Find out in m... http://wmk.me/fcK4tl | Mar 10 05:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Interrogator in #Assange case friend with woman accusing #Wikileaks founder - http://bit.ly/fXfcor never a dull moment (v @AlexiMostrous) | Mar 10 05:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Foggy thinking about the Right to Oblivion - http://bit.ly/fE5jnB excellent analysis: "Culture is memory" #privacy | Mar 10 05:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Internal competition is healthy, but depends on strong and mature leadership - http://bit.ly/erex69 big post from #Canonical's Big Man | Mar 10 05:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Illinois Death Penalty Repeal Has National Implications - http://bit.ly/gwu4rn is the tide finally turning? #capitalpunishment #us | Mar 10 05:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Reforming Peer Review. What are the practical steps? - http://bit.ly/ggfhf2 long, thoughtful & important post #peerreview #science | Mar 10 05:20 | |
| speexbTniPA | Some TV networks have started gratiuituously wrapping their video in Flash: | Mar 10 05:21 |
| speexbTniPA | http://areena.yle.fi/ohjelma/1673832 | Mar 10 05:21 |
| speexbTniPA | There is no added value in Flash as a container format, only liability -- security and portability suffer. | Mar 10 05:21 |
| oiaohm | speexbTniPA: really flv format is documented fully. | Mar 10 05:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The 17 Sides of a Cultural Identity - http://bit.ly/eyi2Z8 more on multi-faceted, variable logos (v @loucaspapa) #design | Mar 10 05:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @glynmoody Illinois Death Penalty Repeal Has National Implications - http://bit.ly/gwu4rn is the tide finally turning? #capitalpunishment | Mar 10 05:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For #Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” - http://bit.ly/ewcPvV using #Linux too | Mar 10 05:30 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so? | Mar 10 05:31 |
| MinceR | it brings no technical merits to the table, it's merely more difficult to play and handle | Mar 10 05:31 |
| MinceR | and trash itself is a big heap of security and privacy issues, implemented by people whose programming skills consist entirely of whining about how difficult something is to implement | Mar 10 05:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] FrenchLeaks - http://bit.ly/fS4LAi "documents d’intérêt public concernant notamment la France et l’Europe"; good to see (v @telecomix) | Mar 10 05:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody #China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For #Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” - http://bit.ly/ewcPvV | Mar 10 05:33 | |
| MinceR | even if you don't consider how shitty trash is, their installed base is scary | Mar 10 05:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @mozilla Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available http://bit.ly/e8bwbK | Mar 10 05:35 | |
| MinceR | (and difficulties in providing alternative trash players show that it's not an open format, at least in practice) | Mar 10 05:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do we need an Open Interface licence? - http://bit.ly/emkss5 "interface code can be closed, but back-end code open"; hmm | Mar 10 05:43 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: I have not found a flash site that does not download by one method or another | Mar 10 05:47 |
| MinceR | downloading is just part of the deal | Mar 10 05:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also lot of the flash selection was prior to any viable cross platform soltuions either. | Mar 10 05:48 |
| MinceR | and i'm tired of working around all that shit | Mar 10 05:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup [Ubuntu 11.04] http://ping.fm/QRK3v | Mar 10 05:48 | |
| MinceR | i think that linking to a standard video file is pretty viable and cross platform | Mar 10 05:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Think how old webm is and the lack of windows means to play ogg. | Mar 10 05:48 |
| MinceR | sure, you don't get to put ads all around a tiny video window, but fuck that. | Mar 10 05:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: just embed the adds in the video problem solved. | Mar 10 05:49 |
| MinceR | and HTTP could do streaming for a long time | Mar 10 05:49 |
| oiaohm | But there was no common format all browsers supported. MinceR | Mar 10 05:49 |
| oiaohm | Yes the state of crap we have had. | Mar 10 05:49 |
| oiaohm | And its the state of crap that has to end. | Mar 10 05:49 |
| MinceR | what browser didn't support <a href="video.mpg">my video</a> ? | Mar 10 05:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog http://ping.fm/njN7s | Mar 10 05:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @LinuxLatest conf.kde.in Opens in Bengaluru (KDE.NEWS) http://bit.ly/gd57Q4 | Mar 10 05:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: Dedicated to the dissemination of public documents relating notably France and Europe. http://www.frenchleaks.fr/ <3 | Mar 10 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @darkestkhan: Call for translators to help with #FreedomBox http://bit.ly/hek2Ut #Debian #Linux (repost because previous link got killed) | Mar 10 05:56 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: mpg magical patent locked solution. MPEG LA again. I should have been more correct no format that all browsers supported where the was not a person who could be grabing a fee. | Mar 10 05:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Adobe allow FLV to be used without fee. | Mar 10 05:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "The Ten Minute Guide to diff and patch" from http://stephenjungels.com/jungels.net/articles/diff-patch-ten-minutes.html #programming | Mar 10 06:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Vinux Project: Ubuntu-based distribution designed for blind and visually impaired users http://ping.fm/EZqW5 | Mar 10 06:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Vapiano http://b1t.it/cqB #4sq | Mar 10 06:05 | |
| speexbTniPA | MPEG and QuickTime are more portable. | Mar 10 06:07 |
| oiaohm | speexbTniPA: and patented. | Mar 10 06:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Steve Jobs Introducing Macintosh 24-JAN-1984 - No matter how often he said $2400 was cheap no one cheered the price http://ping.fm/g5cX3 | Mar 10 06:08 | |
| oiaohm | speexbTniPA: under a licenses that people can demard fees for content. | Mar 10 06:08 |
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| speexbTniPA | yes | Mar 10 06:08 |
| speexbTniPA | webm and ogg are needed | Mar 10 06:08 |
| oiaohm | Basically the first format without fees won. | Mar 10 06:08 |
| oiaohm | unforntanly the format that won also requires flash. | Mar 10 06:09 |
| Open Washing non free medical records systems and Microsoft http://www.fredtrotter.com/2011/03/01/glen-tullman-presents-the-chewbacca-defense/ | Mar 10 06:09 | |
| speexbTniPA | FSF could work *with* Apple on ban of Flash. | Mar 10 06:09 |
| speexbTniPA | Mozilla Foundation, too. | Mar 10 06:09 |
| oiaohm | Becareful working with Apple. | Mar 10 06:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Do you set your system clock to UTC? If not, why? | Mar 10 06:10 | |
| oiaohm | Apple can make profit from mpeg patents and quicktime patents. | Mar 10 06:10 |
| speexbTniPA | Of course, Apple has problems, but there are areas of common ground | Mar 10 06:10 |
| oiaohm | So most key thing is to focus on forcing webm up. | Mar 10 06:10 |
| speexbTniPA | but to make their proffit from mpeg and quicktime patents (in NAFTA zone) they have to eliminate flash | Mar 10 06:10 |
| speexbTniPA | that makes room for webm and ogg | Mar 10 06:11 |
| oiaohm | ogg container format has some design flaws that do effect streaming resuneablity. | Mar 10 06:11 |
| oiaohm | webm basically is the best on offer. | Mar 10 06:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sabayon 5.5 review at linuxbsdos.com http://ping.fm/betCe | Mar 10 06:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do we actually need a #census? - http://bit.ly/hJl5Sc bit late to ask...but a reasonable article (v @jmcesteves) | Mar 10 06:11 | |
| oiaohm | and webm has a proper patent grant and patents in googles hands to use to defend it. | Mar 10 06:12 |
| oiaohm | Sad it took so long to get something like webm that is basically the right tech for the job. | Mar 10 06:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MIT Media Lab, Logos and Trademarks - http://bit.ly/gdwfZB time for the algorithmic trademark? #design #computability | Mar 10 06:13 | |
| speexbTniPA | Which browsers support WebM today? | Mar 10 06:13 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough flash itself support WebM today. | Mar 10 06:15 |
| oiaohm | So flv and WebM are already equal. | Mar 10 06:15 |
| oiaohm | To be correct WebM is ahead. | Mar 10 06:15 |
| oiaohm | As time goes on Firefox 4 has webm current chrome has. That is about 50 percent + of the market without flash. | Mar 10 06:17 |
| speexbTniPA | not so equal, flash has more malware potential and is locked to a few platforms | Mar 10 06:36 |
| speexbTniPA | FF has a lot of marketshare, that will drive webm adoption | Mar 10 06:37 |
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| speexbTniPA | FF-> Firefox | Mar 10 06:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Please take this 5 minute @AdaInitiative survey about women in open technology and culture! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011 | Mar 10 06:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Paraphrasing Mark Shuttleworth: It's all down to the Gnome leadership, nothing to do with us http://ping.fm/SdATS | Mar 10 06:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The other problem with Shuttleworth's remarks? Assumes Unity will win. If it loses, he'll need a whole other strategy, won't he? | Mar 10 06:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ubuntu Wiki Relicensing to CC-BY-SA – Request For Comments by @popey http://ping.fm/K1Hnp | Mar 10 06:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I can't see how anyone could object to that @popey re http://bit.ly/h2dBJK | Mar 10 06:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Public domain here, under copyright there http://ping.fm/BJrFT | Mar 10 06:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Aptitude is now back in the default package list of #ubuntu 11.04, good choice | Mar 10 06:53 | |
| oiaohm | speexbTniPA: flash will at first help. For the simple reason non supporting were flash is will still have some form of support. | Mar 10 06:54 |
| oiaohm | speexbTniPA: Of course ideal is not to require flash of course. | Mar 10 06:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Twitter está saturado o no disponible temporalmente. Inténtalo de nuevo o visita Estado de Twitter para más información. #twitter #lame | Mar 10 06:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @evan long awaited. But won't it cause a loop if I use identi.ca to feed Twitter timeline? Or have you avoided that already? | Mar 10 07:01 | |
| MinceR | oiaohm: did they also allow use of their video codec without a fee? | Mar 10 07:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: adobe released the full specs of flv and gave a free patent lince equal to what webm has now. | Mar 10 07:03 |
| MinceR | flv is just a container, isn't it? | Mar 10 07:03 |
| MinceR | they had some sorensen bullshit or whatever | Mar 10 07:04 |
| MinceR | they have h.264 now | Mar 10 07:04 |
| oiaohm | No there is a flv particular encoding. | Mar 10 07:04 |
| oiaohm | That is pre h.264 | Mar 10 07:04 |
| oiaohm | video/x-flv | Mar 10 07:04 |
| oiaohm | That video format. | Mar 10 07:04 |
| oiaohm | Sorenson Spark, Screen video | Mar 10 07:05 |
| oiaohm | Also the predesor to webm is also in flv. On2 VP6 | Mar 10 07:06 |
| MinceR | i did mention sorenson | Mar 10 07:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, baguette and beer time woot! | Mar 10 07:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Schulamt Bonn, Außenstelle Beschaffung & IT http://b1t.it/cqW #4sq | Mar 10 07:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] A new install of Ubuntu 11.04 on Virtualbox partially failed installing. Let's see if it recovers from aptitude... ;-) | Mar 10 07:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Paul-Martini-Schule http://b1t.it/cpP #4sq | Mar 10 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler @schestowitz Wow, are they still on those old tricks ? How pity. | Mar 10 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] no idea who this fella is, but I'm guessing he'd be better than Blatter http://tighturl.com/2ztv change is BADLY needed #FIFA !football | Mar 10 07:28 | |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: When the selections were first made to use flash by a lot h.264 support was not in flash. | Mar 10 07:33 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: many years latter the iso format f4v contains only h264 that suxs. | Mar 10 07:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] have the #Republicans made themselves unelectable in Wisconsin? http://tighturl.com/2ztw how many average workers will vote for them now? | Mar 10 07:35 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Issue has been at every turn the supporters behind Mpeg have getting rid of the others. | Mar 10 07:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @thistleweb: have the #Republicans made themselves unelectable in Wisconsin? http://tighturl.com/2ztw | Mar 10 07:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #Conservatives made themselves a pariah on Scotland with the #PollTax decades on they're still a minor player largely because of that | Mar 10 07:36 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Hard part is lot of these selections are done over 5 to10 year windows. | Mar 10 07:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Giving a try -- for sport over no-lunch -- fixing the machine via aptitude install ubuntu-desktop and let it crunch, which it's doing. | Mar 10 07:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Libya: #BBC news team kidnapped, hooded and beaten by Gadaffi's forces | Mar 10 07:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks ideas spread: French news site @MediaPart launches its own leaks site: http://frenchleaks.fr !wl | Mar 10 07:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Hot on the heals of #openSUSE 11.4 being released, we've just finished our latest podcast! http://bit.ly/dXETWu | Mar 10 07:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Ridicolo che le banche usino ancora la dizione "assegno su piazza", visto che la compensazione è completamente elettronica | Mar 10 07:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I think I'm gonna try Jolli OS or whatever they're calling the new Jollicloud. I haven't used it in yonks | Mar 10 07:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: SCO, unXis, Microsoft, Canopy, Carlyle, Elliott Associates, and Koch Industries - http://bit.ly/gZbDG5 #SCO #Microsoft #koch | Mar 10 07:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] /me looking at #packetfence | Mar 10 07:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Integrating Software Center with #Launchpad (Mockup) http://goo.gl/bUNoA !u | Mar 10 08:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I just unticked the box for local replies to be sent to Twitter, @support, but they're still being relayed. Any ideas? | Mar 10 08:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @atopiary: @aaronbarr http://poll.pollcode.com/U2N this poll is old, but what do you think of the results? What are you up to these days? | Mar 10 08:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 448 Ili's view of Jitzmitthra. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #fantasy #Minis #worthreading | Mar 10 08:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @glynmoody: Great Green African Wall Planned for Sahara - http://bit.ly/fBvLgT imagine if this had been done instead of invading Iraq... | Mar 10 08:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Loved @bkuhn's Apple rant on the latest @faifshow. That was spot on and very funny. "Sick, I tell ya! SICK!!!" :D | Mar 10 08:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @karinlow: I can't begin to express how much "the Harper Government" offends me. It's not your government, nimrod. | Mar 10 08:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Linux, Mac, and Windows now available: http://bit.ly/h8m1r8 - grab it while it's hot! | Mar 10 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Europe, the Guardian needs you - http://bit.ly/g6hbKv is #Guardian trying to set up global network of #bloggers? | Mar 10 08:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Anony_Ops: A new #Anonymiss appears. @AnonMsLy Sexy and hot as hell! | Mar 10 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonymousIRC: France first country to recognize Libyan rebel leadership as country's legitimate government. http://ow.ly/4bwNq #Feb17 | Mar 10 08:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Thorsten Wilms: Design-Boost http://goo.gl/PeLHu design in free software world | Mar 10 08:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Nokia CFO plays Symbian while rubber boot maker burns - Nokia is still doomed http://bit.ly/gCBwlP #business | Mar 10 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: Reality is "not available for sale" a greater impact on revenues for creators than infringement, #C32 makes issue worse | Mar 10 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @tekk Perl? Was always Artistic License or am I wrong? ssh was around since before there even was proprietary software I think. | Mar 10 08:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Vienna opens its data [de] - http://bit.ly/i1ddKx nett (v @bethnoveck @karounos) #opendata #austria | Mar 10 08:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Interrogator in Assange case is friends with accuser > http://goo.gl/6axLC (Swedish) !wl | Mar 10 08:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Zoopla launches Property Archive of past UK house prices - http://bit.ly/gCXKaF interesting #property #opendata | Mar 10 08:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Safari and Internet Explorer are hacked first at Pwn2Own contest - http://bit.ly/hNHJ9T excitement: will Firefox and Chrome resist? | Mar 10 08:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL! :D ♺ @evan: @digibomb You're seriously on flight 815? Is this soccer team on your flight? http://outl.ws/dPMkji | Mar 10 08:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Trying to keep my brain alert with Monster. It's better than collapsing... | Mar 10 08:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Louis #Vuitton – the symbol of corporate #bullying - http://bit.ly/gDk6ja not even handbags at dawn | Mar 10 08:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnr | Mar 10 08:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mendeley API Binary Battle: IsItOpenData? - http://bit.ly/fHOAp2 @petermurrayrust asks the right question #opendata | Mar 10 08:46 | |
| speexbTniPA | @TRIdewntica: SSH arrived only in 1995, | Mar 10 08:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Now boarding SXF > CGN | Mar 10 08:48 | |
| speexbTniPA | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Overview#SSH_-_open_then_closed | Mar 10 08:48 |
| speexbTniPA | Perl was around first | Mar 10 08:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !perl and databases? Very nice DBI guide: http://www.felixgers.de/teaching/perl/perl_DBI.html | Mar 10 08:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] LLVMpipe Gallium3D Is Used In Fedora 15: Fedora 15 is gearing up to be another great release from the Red Hat ca... http://bit.ly/dH8qqW | Mar 10 08:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] ♻ @karsten: A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnr !fs !gnu | Mar 10 08:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open source procurement: Subscriptions | http://bit.ly/gjkn78 #foss #osi | Mar 10 09:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks news update http://is.gd/xRn0oy & http://wlcentral.org/ !wl | Mar 10 09:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @emily_hatchpr @ABridgwater Cool map of US passport ownership by state. 45% of Americans have a passport. http://aol.it/e6eJNl >>uh-huh | Mar 10 09:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Mark is deliberately misleading the community about the way GNOME works [...] this post is essentially a lie." http://outl.ws/g7DpwM | Mar 10 09:08 | |
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| GoForbes28 | hi all | Mar 10 09:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ratholeradio: Tickets to the 2nd annual Rathole Radio gig in Liverpool on April 24th are now available http://is.gd/7x2cRw | Mar 10 09:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] What the hell is Shuttleworth doing? He's just lashing out again and again on his blog suddenly after not posting for months. What's up? | Mar 10 09:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Release is coming. So some noise needed? | Mar 10 09:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @bryonwilfert: Two decisions by Speaker of the House of Commons find Conservative government in contempt of Parliament. Election coming. | Mar 10 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Spending a few hours learning as many vim commands and terminal commands as i can. !cli | Mar 10 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I have been called a lot of things on here and I actually agree with some of it but liar really hurts. I never knowingly lied. | Mar 10 09:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I may be an egomaniacally, troublemaking bastard that doesn't know what he's talking about but a liar? Wow. | Mar 10 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Microsoft and the Game of Catch-Up #drupalcon http://ping.fm/NuUHn | Mar 10 09:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: I remember @michelenlared said to me this "in a hurry" comment. I had to leave it, cos I had no idea what it meant | Mar 10 09:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] openSUSE 11.4 has arrived http://lwn.net/Articles/432736/rss | Mar 10 09:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] New Statesman: How the 'liberal' press tried to silence WikiLeaks http://is.gd/3q5kL1 !wl | Mar 10 09:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @michelenlared I wonde if Mark's real annoyance with Gnome is he's losing the PR battle? | Mar 10 09:43 | |
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| MinceR | lol @ shuttlecock's delusions of grandeur | Mar 10 09:49 |
| MinceR | a reference would be nice though | Mar 10 09:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] 'The Guardian’s hatchet job on Julian Assange' | WSWS http://alturl.com/xypga !wl | Mar 10 09:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Is http://www.markshuttleworth.com down or is it just me? | Mar 10 09:52 | |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Really KDE will not miss the chance to knife Gnome. | Mar 10 09:53 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: KDE does pride themselves on following freedesktop standards. | Mar 10 09:53 |
| cubexyz | icewm, xfce, kde is what I use | Mar 10 09:54 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: ? | Mar 10 09:54 |
| MinceR | i was referring to the dent redented by fabsh | Mar 10 09:54 |
| cubexyz | may as well try different DE's | Mar 10 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Shuttleworth does not get it yet Ubuntu method is no different to what Gnome does. | Mar 10 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Its basically lets ingnore upstream. | Mar 10 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Freedesktop should be upstream of Gnome and KDE. | Mar 10 09:57 |
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| cubexyz | time to tweak weather.txt | Mar 10 09:59 |
| cubexyz | it's getting rather big | Mar 10 09:59 |
| MinceR | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/09/sony-ps3-lg-blu-ray-dispute | Mar 10 10:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: No project/org has perfect leadership, but GNOME is among best in this regard. | Mar 10 10:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh yeah, but there are several ways of "down" and I don't know what that site uses. I just get a blank page (but http connection is ok) | Mar 10 10:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] openSUSE 11.4 Released: The openSUSE developers in Nuremberg and around the world have a reason to celebrate tod... http://bit.ly/dGvt8c | Mar 10 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Open-Source AMD Fusion E-350 Support Takes A Dive: If you have been thinking about picking up a motherboard with... http://bit.ly/hLgukt | Mar 10 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: the sickest part is that @sabdfl is clearly having a !Canonical proxy war w/ #RedHat through #GNOME. | Mar 10 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] If vuntz had a broken heart after Banshee, he must be totally gutted now.... :( | Mar 10 10:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] The upcoming FTF ELN annual meeting is going to be awesome. EG 2/3 of the initial keynotes will rock tha house (the third is mine) ;-P | Mar 10 10:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] setting up another !debian system for the Polish FLOSS Foundation. I love that system. :) #fwioo #wioo | Mar 10 10:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: New #Gwibber User Guide makes mastering social networking in Ubuntu easy http://goo.gl/5u7NC | Mar 10 10:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ninapaley: Mimi and Eunice: My Works Are Like My Children http://j.mp/fw903Q | Mar 10 10:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] For those who haven't guessed, I absolutely love Mimi and Eunice. @ninapaley has an incredible sense of the absurd! | Mar 10 10:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why is Mark so interested in Gnome anyway? Seems to me he planning to get totally rid of it as fast as possible... | Mar 10 10:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] DailyTech - Apple's OS X is First OS to be Hacked at This Year's Pwn2Own http://ping.fm/eCYzN | Mar 10 10:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] IMHO Shuttleworth has all rights to complain if a promise was not kept. OTOH that's life, if you don't like it, fork it. I'm #unconcerned | Mar 10 10:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @bugabundo: thumbs up http://acidcow.com/pics/20110310/acid_picdump_19.jpg | ROTFL | Mar 10 10:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] FOSA AGM and SFD 2011 planning meeting - http://fosa.sg/2011_ECM_ACM_SFDS_Kickoff | Mar 10 10:43 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Mar 10 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | mandybuntu: hi | Mar 10 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | uh wrong one | Mar 10 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hi | Mar 10 10:49 |
| MinceR | hay | Mar 10 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: PC Linux OS, new KDE when stable enough, just done my upgrade to KDE 4.6.1 | Mar 10 10:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] After a bit of unsuccessful troll-fishing ;-( heading to home office and will see if it had worked when I'm back online ;-) | Mar 10 10:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Of the 9 roses I bought @th3k4ty for our anniversary, 6 are still left 10 days later. They weren't cheap but seem to have been worth it. :) | Mar 10 10:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] My email id is a bigger winner than charlie sheen.... | Mar 10 11:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #MusOpen.org: Public domain performances of public domain music - http://bit.ly/hUNdAN good intro to important project #pd #music | Mar 10 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ggoes So !Slackware's next version number is really 13.37? Amazing. | Mar 10 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Off to bed early today. Reading all the gnome / canonical mud slinging has tired me out :p | Mar 10 11:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OpenSuse 11.4 release mentioned at Adnet and The H | Mar 10 11:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Actually OpenSuse is mentioned everywhere. Too many to read them all | Mar 10 11:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Die GdL streikt. Fallen jetzt überall die #Apple Airport Express aus? </sarcasm> | Mar 10 11:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] !Ubuntu Maverick shuts down really fast (< 5 seconds) Thanks @keybuk for all the great work in making that possible. | Mar 10 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Endowed by Their Creator?: The Future of Constitutional Personhood - http://bit.ly/fNJh3Z deep & delightful musings on chimeras & the law | Mar 10 11:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU: Time For a New Approach on #Copyright - http://bit.ly/f5uU0R ah, that naughty Neelie - teasing again... | Mar 10 11:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Honest Tea tests America’s honesty in its latest brand campaign - http://bit.ly/ifuUKf nice #tea #honesty | Mar 10 11:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla at SXSW 2011 http://mzl.la/gdCUxD | Mar 10 11:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Norwegian open source-based problem-reporting website launched nationwide - http://bit.ly/gYBGGu #opensource #opengov | Mar 10 11:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] HP to Ship All PCs With webOS Option http://bit.ly/i9zqwW #linux | Mar 10 11:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I was just thinking how funny it would be if loads of people placed orders at moonpig for mugs with the Sony copy protection keys on them | Mar 10 11:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jospoortvliet @jwildeboer sure !gnome is free to ignore a request. !canonical is free to replace referral in banshee. Doesn't make i ... | Mar 10 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @omgsuse On the tenth day, !openSUSE 11.4 changed everything http://goo.gl/fb/Bcu80 | Mar 10 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Install Sparkleshare In Ubuntu Via PPA (Open Source Cloud Sync - Dropbox Alternative) http://bit.ly/htSySx | Mar 10 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker - http://bit.ly/gnxbDP good to see that "banker" is now an insult | Mar 10 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !lo Where do people hang out on IRC? I've decided to get back into it, but I have no regualr haunts any more | Mar 10 12:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Nouveau can' t handle videos well on my 23" plasma screen. Hope the proprietary Nvidia driver will be available soon on !kubuntu "Natty". | Mar 10 12:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Make-Believe Billion - http://slate.me/gPegsB "How drug companies exaggerate research costs to justify absurd profits" comments are fun | Mar 10 12:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Russian DNS netbook comes with !MeeGo !Linux http://ping.fm/zwxvF | Mar 10 12:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listening to the Joel I Have To Run Windows At Work Tech Show | Mar 10 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I just called AT&T customer service and was greeted with "Hello, this is Buddy, how can I help you?" to which I replied "Hey Buddy!" | Mar 10 12:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Best Practices for Authoring Interoperable #ODF Documents - http://bit.ly/eKhI1Q "user education must help with the rest of the way" | Mar 10 12:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @fscons #FSCONS Video: Salve J. Nilsen: Kaizendo: Customizable schoolbooks http://ur1.ca/3ge1c #education #rwculture | Mar 10 12:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Unity 3.6.4 has been released: http://goo.gl/veCb6 | Mar 10 12:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @samtuke ♻ @karsten: A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnr !fs !gnu | Mar 10 12:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] complete text of the US proposal for the #Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (#TPP) chapter - http://bit.ly/eKe5BU get it while it's hot | Mar 10 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @jamie_love USTR in #TPP: patents shall be available even if such invention does not result in the enhancement of the known efficacy | Mar 10 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @jamie_love USTR in TPP chpt: 95 year copyright minimum term for works for hire >>oh look, that copyright ratchet again... | Mar 10 12:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The need and drive for open data in biomedical publishing - http://bit.ly/hrVELQ it's the future #opendata (v @wilbanks) #publishing | Mar 10 12:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Feeling for @th3k4ty and trying to motivate her to keep at it. Science and research is a very hard and frustrating job sometimes... | Mar 10 12:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Nacion (Costa Rica): Intrepidez tica en Naciones Unidas impresionó a EE. UU. | http://is.gd/wVuaKH !wl | Mar 10 12:55 | |
| GoForbes28 | hi again | Mar 10 12:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Bounce bounce bouncycow. #minecraft | Mar 10 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Jornada (Mexico): En 2009, Pascual destapó la debilidad de AN y Calderón tras la elección intermedia | http://is.gd/j0sIWv !wl | Mar 10 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open Leadership webcast with Charlene Li | http://bit.ly/hGWs9q #transparency #innovation #altimeter | Mar 10 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] A note for Hotmail users http://lwn.net/Articles/432797/rss | Mar 10 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why does Gawker home page have *2* scroll bars and why does the scroll bar on the far right control the far left frame? | Mar 10 13:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Espectador (Colombia): Sabas culpó a Restrepo de meterle 12.000 'paras' | http://is.gd/Z5AK6O !wl | Mar 10 13:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Pais (Uruguay): El creciente poder sindical, "bendecido" por Vázquez, preocupaba a Estados Unidos | http://is.gd/ocdMcz !wl | Mar 10 13:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bruce89 Shuttleworth is just annoyed that #GNOME doesn't share his vision of cloning OS X | Mar 10 13:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Comercio (Peru): Wikileaks evidencia detalles del proceso de Alberto Fujimori en Chile | http://is.gd/gmO35j !wl | Mar 10 13:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] »R @marjoleink: just about 1000 more dents, and we'll hit 66666666 :D | Mar 10 13:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Working with Frames and Objects in Scribus http://is.gd/OoYDEA #desktop #dtp #publishing #scribus #linux #gnu #free #software | Mar 10 13:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Post-PC Era Is Already Here http://is.gd/85ts99 #hardware #software | Mar 10 13:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gusteru: RT @yo9fah_ro: openSUSE 11.4 Officially Released, Screenshot Tour Inside: http://bit.ly/gESKRh #linux #gnu | Mar 10 13:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL. | Mar 10 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Waxing Nostalgic About Old-School Linux http://is.gd/V9NcYm #gnu #linux | Mar 10 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sq | Mar 10 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ahh..... Coffee! | Mar 10 13:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL. | Mar 10 13:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] SF Bay Area friends! @TEDxSFED "mashEDup: re-imagine education" will happen on April 9. Register by this Mon: http://ht.ly/49BQx #OER | Mar 10 13:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Does Compiz Still Slow Down Your System?: There have been a flurry of comments this week following my post why s... http://bit.ly/fCOkw2 | Mar 10 13:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] just deleted my Google Buzz Profile ! | Mar 10 13:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sq | Mar 10 13:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Has Microsoft dropped the ball with Windows Phone 7? http://is.gd/7oXxc3 #microsoft #windows #wp7 #mobile #samsung | Mar 10 13:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Thursday http://lwn.net/Articles/432776/rss | Mar 10 13:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @zach RT @rejon Die Java, die! | Mar 10 13:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Pro Markt http://b1t.it/csZ #4sq | Mar 10 13:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Ground control to Major Tom... ♺ @zach: @evan I get the idea you hum Space Oddity whenever you're on a plane. | Mar 10 14:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Frittebud http://b1t.it/cs5 #4sq | Mar 10 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity 3.6.4 source package is in #natty http://goo.gl/5xTF8 | Mar 10 14:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Unigine Does Terrain Tessellation, Confirms OS X Plans: While Unigine's pre-release orders for OilRush aren't go... http://bit.ly/iku21l | Mar 10 14:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] the source package of !unity 3.6.4 is waiting for dependencies: http://goo.gl/2QFwu | Mar 10 14:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Top 10 Worst Things About the #Republicans' Immoral #Budget http://ur1.ca/3g881 | Mar 10 14:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] 'In #God We Trust' suit rejected by #SupremeCourt http://ur1.ca/3g8ma Might as well be "In #Myth We Trust" | Mar 10 14:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] EXI Extends Reach of XML to New Devices and Applications http://ow.ly/1bHNwS | Mar 10 14:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Three Web Apps Last Calls: Server-Sent Events, Progress Events, Web Workers http://ow.ly/1bHNwR | Mar 10 14:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Imagini inedite cu Eva Braun şi Hitler, date publicităţii http://is.gd/M7cx3u #hitler | Mar 10 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Full Text of US proposal for #TPPA IP chapter leaked: https://eff.org/r.z98 Take action: https://eff.org/r.2z7 | Mar 10 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] IT departments 'flying blind' when it comes to mobile #security http://is.gd/XiAliB | Mar 10 14:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Israeli Court Enforces for the First Time a Creative Commons License http://is.gd/LxO3pA via @glynmoody | Mar 10 14:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @TechJournalist: Newest #openSUSE #Linux Release Offers Rolling Releases - LinuxPlanet http://bit.ly/f9LMRA #gnu | Mar 10 14:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @JustMeAmber: Reminder today is #GNOME 3 test day - More information at http://is.gd/98k9VB #gnome #community | Mar 10 14:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] My muscle memory has finally memorized the screen keyboard shortcuts \o/ #screen | Mar 10 14:43 | |
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| Daemonfc | ok jono, my mods have restored balance to the Force | Mar 10 14:53 |
| Daemonfc | at least with regards to Kubuntu | Mar 10 14:53 |
| Daemonfc | B-) | Mar 10 14:53 |
| Daemonfc | Ubuntu is now basically this big monolithic ball of crap that can't be modified, hence it is no longer "fun" | Mar 10 14:54 |
| Daemonfc | I get that's what you guys call a "product" | Mar 10 14:54 |
| Daemonfc | stay off my lawn! | Mar 10 14:54 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 10 14:54 |
| Daemonfc | vanilla kernels and mesa pulled from git is my bag, baby | Mar 10 14:55 |
| Daemonfc | B-) | Mar 10 14:55 |
| Daemonfc | this looks juicy http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=7dcf019af2e76a4c6e0391c3c5e1d50966367df8 | Mar 10 14:56 |
| *Daemonfc wonders when radeon will use it | Mar 10 14:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @eff Full Text of US proposal for #TPPA IP chapter leaked: https://eff.org/r.z98 Take action: https://eff.org/r.2z7 | Mar 10 14:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Pwn2Own 2011: IE8 on Windows 7 hijacked with 3 vulnerabilities http://is.gd/3kLjXY #microsoft #windows #ie #ie8 #security | Mar 10 14:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @wired: Hackers steal $1.2 million in Microsoft Points. http://wrd.tw/ie9Esn (We suspect Mr. Microsoft-Pointfinger.) | Mar 10 14:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @StirileProTV: Proiectul Uranus in standby. Hala #Matache din Capitala nu poate fi demolata http://fb.me/J3X1ScTr #bucuresti #ro | Mar 10 14:57 | |
| Daemonfc | MinceR: My conclusion of radeon is that it has a lot of rough edges but FGLRX does the wrong thing from start to finish | Mar 10 14:58 |
| *Daemonfc thinks he will ride the radeon wave | Mar 10 14:58 | |
| Daemonfc | one thing that really stands out is that if radeon manages to hang X, this isn't normally a kernel panic thrown in as a bonus | Mar 10 14:59 |
| Daemonfc | not so with FGLRX | Mar 10 14:59 |
| Daemonfc | switch to tty1, kill X, switch to tty7, startx | Mar 10 14:59 |
| Daemonfc | whereas FGLRX leaves the user holding the power button until the system shuts off and the file system might not have allocated all outstanding writes | Mar 10 15:00 |
| Daemonfc | = not a good outlook for your data | Mar 10 15:00 |
| Daemonfc | I did have to edit Ubuntu's init scripts to disable that stupid failsafe X, X respawn crap | Mar 10 15:01 |
| Daemonfc | ZOMG, you're trying to kill X, let's start X back up only to crash again! | Mar 10 15:02 |
| Daemonfc | that's why all the cool kids know not to upgrade from PackageKit, it ignores DPKG asking you if you want to keep your existing settings or install the maintainer's | Mar 10 15:03 |
| Daemonfc | it just bulldozes your settings without asking :) | Mar 10 15:03 |
| Daemonfc | before you know it, you have that failsafe X stupidity again | Mar 10 15:04 |
| Daemonfc | jono: ZOMG, you're not running X, we'll TEACH you to love X, X is mandatory, you can thank us later! | Mar 10 15:04 |
| Daemonfc | B-)\ | Mar 10 15:04 |
| MinceR | what gpus/drivers does wayland currently run with anyway? | Mar 10 15:05 |
| Daemonfc | the proprietary ones all fail | Mar 10 15:05 |
| Daemonfc | the free ones all work to my knowledge | Mar 10 15:05 |
| Daemonfc | I've tried Wayland with nouveau, radeon, rage128, intel, and tdfx (3dfx) | Mar 10 15:06 |
| Daemonfc | all of them work, even 3dfx Voodoo 2 1000 hehe | Mar 10 15:06 |
| Daemonfc | circa 1998 | Mar 10 15:06 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 10 15:06 |
| Daemonfc | 3dfx supports accelerated compositing | Mar 10 15:07 |
| Daemonfc | though you're limited to what you can do | Mar 10 15:07 |
| Daemonfc | all the basic compiz plugins work | Mar 10 15:07 |
| Daemonfc | Extreme Tux Racer works | Mar 10 15:07 |
| Daemonfc | what else do you need? B-) | Mar 10 15:07 |
| MinceR | nexuiz | Mar 10 15:08 |
| MinceR | ut2004 | Mar 10 15:08 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 10 15:08 |
| Daemonfc | 3dfx supports OpenGL 1.1, and not fully | Mar 10 15:08 |
| Daemonfc | you can get away with most of that, some will fall back to llvmpipe and be rendered on the CPU | Mar 10 15:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] damn it, does this mean that I need to write a notification daemon? | Mar 10 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] It's incredible that !fs advances w/ so many ppl wanting to do things their way & arguing among themselves. !q @hound | Mar 10 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @psquid #slowdentica | Mar 10 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ccLearn: Free Technology Academy publishes course books CC BY-SA on #freesoftware #openstandards & #GNU #Linux http://is.gd/68dNz | Mar 10 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @fedorared: RT @ccLearn: Fantastic resource! Creative Commons: What every Educator needs to know by Rodd Lucier http://bit.ly/dMoV | Mar 10 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: I just confirmed my reservations for the 2011 Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit http://is.gd/vAi4sT Hope to see some of you... | Mar 10 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #bzr is *so* stupid :| | Mar 10 15:08 | |
| Daemonfc | it will report OpenGL 1.3, but a lot of it is running on llvmpipe if it's past 1.1 | Mar 10 15:09 |
| Daemonfc | which as far as software rendering goes, llvmpipe is fantastic | Mar 10 15:10 |
| Daemonfc | you're talking at least double the speed of Mesa's classic software rendering | Mar 10 15:10 |
| Daemonfc | 3dfx is usable with Compiz and some basic 3d games, even to this day | Mar 10 15:11 |
| Daemonfc | it supports KVM | Mar 10 15:11 |
| Daemonfc | try running a 3dfx card on Windows XP, Vista, or 7 and tell me what you think | Mar 10 15:12 |
| Daemonfc | I think the beta driver for Windows 2000 works kind of on XP, but very buggy | Mar 10 15:12 |
| Daemonfc | no DirectX support | Mar 10 15:12 |
| Daemonfc | 3dfx leaked out a beta driver for Windows 2000 right before they went under, that's the only support you'll get on Windows NT, ever | Mar 10 15:13 |
| Daemonfc | B-) enjoy | Mar 10 15:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Neil deGrasse Tyson - Communicating #Science http://ur1.ca/3gfxe #PointofInquiry #podcast #CenterForInquiry #secular | Mar 10 15:13 | |
| Daemonfc | and on Windows, it won't do you much good, no DirectX, full of bugs, no OpenGL support | Mar 10 15:14 |
| Daemonfc | if you can dig up some GLIDE apps it will accelerate them | Mar 10 15:14 |
| Daemonfc | MinceR: That DOOM 3 on Voodoo 2 1000 thing that surfaced a while back was actually not utilizing the card at all | Mar 10 15:15 |
| Daemonfc | Windows XP has software rendering of OpenGL 1.x and some of DirectX | Mar 10 15:16 |
| Daemonfc | so the card might have been present, but the CPU was doing everything | Mar 10 15:16 |
| Daemonfc | publicity stunt | Mar 10 15:16 |
| Daemonfc | just like Windows 7 on the Pentium 2 | Mar 10 15:16 |
| Daemonfc | zomg, it took 32 minutes to boot! | Mar 10 15:17 |
| Daemonfc | this is totally useful! | Mar 10 15:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Copying over the #Minecraft map to the new server. | Mar 10 15:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @jezra yes, yes it does. | Mar 10 15:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] uo, un @jack6es por aqui! :D Todavia no estas en el grupo !eol ? ya tardas xD | Mar 10 15:17 | |
| cubexyz | I've seen worse | Mar 10 15:17 |
| cubexyz | 386SX16 with win95 | Mar 10 15:17 |
| Daemonfc | I've ran Windows 95 on a 486 | Mar 10 15:17 |
| cubexyz | not pretty | Mar 10 15:17 |
| Daemonfc | but it was a DX4-100 | Mar 10 15:17 |
| Daemonfc | it runs well on that | Mar 10 15:17 |
| cubexyz | well sure | Mar 10 15:18 |
| cubexyz | it's rare I see anything older than p2 though | Mar 10 15:18 |
| Daemonfc | the 486 SX line was crap | Mar 10 15:18 |
| Daemonfc | the 487 was basically a fully functional 486 DX that disables the 486 SX and takes over | Mar 10 15:18 |
| Daemonfc | ploy by Intel to sell you another CPU later on | Mar 10 15:18 |
| cubexyz | hard to avoid intel | Mar 10 15:19 |
| cubexyz | and even harder to avoid x86 | Mar 10 15:19 |
| abeNd-org | that mathcoprocessor stuff? | Mar 10 15:19 |
| Daemonfc | well, you're thinking, just plug the 487 in, won't work, not pin compatible with the 486 slot, and it won't work by itself if the main slot is empty | Mar 10 15:19 |
| Daemonfc | Intel hasn't changed much | Mar 10 15:20 |
| cubexyz | well I think 8086 was different | Mar 10 15:20 |
| Daemonfc | yes, up until and including 387, the co-processor was actually a co-processor | Mar 10 15:20 |
| Daemonfc | the 487 was not | Mar 10 15:21 |
| cubexyz | extinct now, unless you still have a working 486 | Mar 10 15:21 |
| Daemonfc | I do | Mar 10 15:21 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 10 15:21 |
| abeNd-org | i havent seen a working 486 in years | Mar 10 15:22 |
| cubexyz | I have one myself... don't really use it much | Mar 10 15:23 |
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| Daemonfc | I have a 386 laptop | Mar 10 15:23 |
| Daemonfc | DX 33 | Mar 10 15:23 |
| cubexyz | x86 is so boring though | Mar 10 15:23 |
| Daemonfc | I never went for the SX ones, don't save you much, perform so much worse | Mar 10 15:23 |
| cubexyz | I miss the 6502 | Mar 10 15:23 |
| cubexyz | the weird thing is 486 boards on ebay are like $100 or more | Mar 10 15:24 |
| Daemonfc | the git patches to 2.6.38-rc8 are moving very slowly | Mar 10 15:25 |
| Daemonfc | git2 doesn't have anything I'm interested in | Mar 10 15:25 |
| cubexyz | so what OS are you running on the 486? | Mar 10 15:25 |
| abeNd-org | only thing i would use 486s for is pull the cpu fan off & use it on my gpu in my current system | Mar 10 15:25 |
| Daemonfc | MINIX 3 | Mar 10 15:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Marketing your Business- #Facebook vs. #LinkedIn http://is.gd/QDhAEe | Mar 10 15:27 | |
| Daemonfc | looks like there will be a 2.6.38-rc9 | Mar 10 15:27 |
| Daemonfc | just won't be anything too exciting in it | Mar 10 15:27 |
| Daemonfc | unless some patches show up for radeon, I probably won't even build it | Mar 10 15:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Probably the funniest comment ever on !GNOME Shell: "Don't you guys surf the net for porn!!!!???? C'monnnn." http://goo.gl/zDqpl | Mar 10 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Armies of Expensive #Lawyers, Replaced by Cheaper #Software http://is.gd/dSRiUW #cataphora | Mar 10 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RIAA not happy with Sen Zoe Lofgren, excellent piece as usual from #TechDirt http://tighturl.com/2zus #p2p #law #politics | Mar 10 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Marked bugs with attached patch to add rpm support to #utouch -{evemu,frame,grail,geis} LP#732822 LP#732823 LP#732828 LP#732829 | Mar 10 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Is A Few Days Away http://is.gd/SO9cRc #gnu #linux #kernel | Mar 10 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @stav: It is a historical fact, that's all. Today is Osama bin Laden's 54th birthday. | Mar 10 15:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] De ce sa-ti cumperi telefon cu Android si nu iPhone http://pulsene.ws/12FLu via @bogdanid | Mar 10 15:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I predict, by the end of 5 years, more people will be on Skype than on Facebook | Mar 10 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @lamm It's incredible that !fs advances w/ so many ppl wanting to do things their way & arguing among themselves. !q @hound | Mar 10 15:45 | |
| abeNd-org | feh, in 5 yrs facebook will have a voip service that will have ended skype | Mar 10 15:46 |
| abeNd-org | they are already starting to get into the netflix market | Mar 10 15:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] (Michael) Moore to play Sarah Palin in TV production? http://tighturl.com/2zuv careful now, people may prefer the looks of the fake Palin ;P | Mar 10 15:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Tor 0.2.2.23-alpha is out: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-02223-alpha-out | Mar 10 15:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@WebsterGTarpley: #STALINGRAD of #Libya rebels at #RasLanouf, pt. of farthest advance, then retreat and defeat - says... #CorriereDellaSera | Mar 10 15:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @mvalente "Why High-Speed Rail Isn’t That Great" http://goo.gl/3zuv1 Agradeço reenvio para tontos e afins. | Mar 10 15:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK I'm trying this new Joli OS. Back later | Mar 10 15:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Grim reading: Manning's abuse inside custody released by his Lawyer, David Coombs http://is.gd/FWKAEk !wl | Mar 10 15:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 144 dents! | Mar 10 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ex #BP employee advise UK govt over energy? and the #Tories said they wanted "new politics"; BUSINESS as usual http://tighturl.com/2zv6 | Mar 10 16:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] methinks the whole "renewables" idea will be sent to gather dust as "oil" is pushed firmly into "must be protected and promoted" mode | Mar 10 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Norwegian open source-based problem-reporting website launched nationwide - http://bit.ly/gYBGGu #opensource #opengov | Mar 10 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] oil & #BP having absolutely no connection with each other on any level, even the name British PETROLEUM is coincidental | Mar 10 16:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody EU: Time For a New Approach on #Copyright - http://bit.ly/f5uU0R ah, that naughty Neelie - teasing again... | Mar 10 16:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RBS banker Fred Goodwin gets superinjuction to stop being called a wanker, erm....I mean banker http://tighturl.com/2zv7 | Mar 10 16:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Zoopla launches Property Archive of past UK house prices - http://bit.ly/gCXKaF interesting #property #opendata | Mar 10 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @p2pnet Firefox 4 RC 1 for Windows, Mac, Linux. Out of Beta http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49840 | Mar 10 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Do we actually need a #census? - http://bit.ly/hJl5Sc bit late to ask...but a reasonable article (v @jmcesteves) | Mar 10 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity 3.6.4-0ubuntu1 package has been succesfully built for #natty http://goo.gl/5xTF8 | Mar 10 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Interrogator in #Assange case friend with woman accusing #Wikileaks founder - http://bit.ly/fXfcor never a dull moment (v ... | Mar 10 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Testing the latest unity build... | Mar 10 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @wikileaks wikileaks: John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry http://bit.ly/hJtrUf | Mar 10 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @wikileaks wikileaks: US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl http:/ ... | Mar 10 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://alturl.com/e25vf !wl | Mar 10 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Michael Vogt: apt-btrfs-snapshot creates automatically filesystem snapshot when apt installs/removes/upgrades. http://goo.gl/VSTCP !u | Mar 10 16:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bradley #Manning's detailed complaint about his "improper treatment" - http://bit.ly/h10RZf tale of bloody-mindedness and bullying #torture | Mar 10 16:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Dear Hollywood: It's Time To Realize Artificial Scarcity Is Gone... And That's A Good Thing - http://bit.ly/hAKeWr yup #abundance | Mar 10 16:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Banks are soon going to refuse to let you spend your money, thanks to #Republicans http://ur1.ca/3ggrr | Mar 10 16:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republican Rep. King from NY wants to destroy Ham Radio http://ur1.ca/3ggsk | Mar 10 16:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republicans try to attack Net Neutrality http://ur1.ca/3ggt6 Warning: HuffPo | Mar 10 16:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Virginity Restoration #Surgery http://ur1.ca/3gcll #Islam #misogyny #religion #sad #wrong #wtf | Mar 10 16:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mendeley Data IS OPEN! - http://bit.ly/eS3Ev6 @petermurrayrust gets his answer - the right one #opendata | Mar 10 16:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Swedish female cop who interrogated !WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is friends with one of his accusers http://www.thelocal.se/32506/ | Mar 10 16:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Shuttlecock admits to attacking GNOME on behalf of #Microsoft !Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/3ga0a | Mar 10 16:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Carl Sagan is the new Isaiah Mustafa http://ur1.ca/3g845 !science | Mar 10 16:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] If only launchpad.net was as fast as github *sigh* | Mar 10 16:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Space shuttle launch: From the booster rockets' point of view http://ur1.ca/3ggvv !science | Mar 10 16:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] How Do People Respond to Being Touched by a Robot? http://ur1.ca/3ggw2 !science | Mar 10 16:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #RIAA Not Happy With Rep. Lofgren Calling Out ICE For Web #Censorship - http://bit.ly/hxRh5O classic @mmasnick analysis & debunking | Mar 10 16:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] RT @stav Minor !stats milestone: Today we are 2/3 of the way to 100 million dents http://identi.ca/notice/66666666 Too bad mot an intere ... | Mar 10 16:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@brokep All my facebook messages I ever wrote and deleted are back now with the new update. Thanks for keeping that data against my wishes! | Mar 10 16:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] compiling PHP because they don't push their fixes upstream. sigh | Mar 10 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] New #Facebook Feature Empowers the Dangerous "Comment Nazis" http://ur1.ca/3gh0c #freespeech #privacy #wtf | Mar 10 16:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetfedora: Adam Young: FreeIPA 2.0 RC3 http://bit.ly/enAZRJ #freeipa #software #free #ldap | Mar 10 17:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Just thank #USA imperialism: #Afghanistan lets #Blackwater stay despite shakeup of security contractors http://ur1.ca/3gh56 | Mar 10 17:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Server seems awesome so far. I thank @mymcserv. :D | Mar 10 17:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] HP: The Linux Desktop Company (ZDNet) http://lwn.net/Articles/432871/rss | Mar 10 17:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @mozillazinefr La Release Candidate de Firefox 4 disponible le 9 mars via @zdnetfr http://zdnet.fr/39758722 | Mar 10 17:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm now using Joli OS. It was very easy to install and very easy to use, but some things I'm used to are missing, nothing important yet tho | Mar 10 17:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It's not immediately clear to me how I change the resolution either, yet | Mar 10 17:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek & Poke Phone Etiquette http://goo.gl/Ofkzn | Mar 10 17:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Thunderbird getting some !Unity love http://goo.gl/TaE91 | Mar 10 17:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Unity 3.6.4 Brings Resizable Launcher, ALT + F2 Run Dialog, More http://goo.gl/BMwQd !ubuntu #natty | Mar 10 17:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] !listening to Muse - Starlight | Mar 10 17:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] There's no identica app in @Jolicloud and @chromedeck is missing even though it's chrome app. This is bit counter-intuitive | Mar 10 17:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @agentdero The preparation I did on @omgsuse and the !openSUSE 11.4 launch gave me a new perspective on how friendly and cooperative ... | Mar 10 17:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Jolicloud appears to support Adobe AIR, so it looks like I can install the @desktopdeck but not @chromedeck. I must be missing something | Mar 10 17:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: I mostly agree with this column! RT @mrchan : will bypass usual channels & point out column http://tgam.ca/wBn | Mar 10 17:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh man, identica is messed up ATM.... | Mar 10 17:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK, I'm off to bed. I need sleep.... Oo | Mar 10 17:47 | |
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| Daemonfc | Now I know these numbers are cooked | Mar 10 17:54 |
| Daemonfc | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=compiz_2011_hits&num=2 | Mar 10 17:54 |
| Daemonfc | Nvidia's proprietary driver is so full of hacks that you get to choose between a 5% performance penalty to force it to sync with AIGLX | Mar 10 17:54 |
| Daemonfc | or having artifacts and random crap draw to the screen | Mar 10 17:55 |
| Daemonfc | Compiz developers some time ago recommended ditching nvidia for nouveau | Mar 10 17:55 |
| Daemonfc | proprietary drivers are fast, until they get around to panicking the kernel, freezing X, drawing weird shit to the screen, make your Wine apps malfunction in bizarre ways and breaking into jono's apartment to steal his lunch, use the toilet, and not flush | Mar 10 17:57 |
| jono | lol | Mar 10 17:58 |
| Daemonfc | poor jono, I'd hate to be jono when he has to piss all over the proverbial corn flakes of all the Ubuntu ricers that won't be able to use Wayland | Mar 10 17:59 |
| Daemonfc | jono: I'm curious, perhaps you can enlighten me a bit | Mar 10 18:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @jonobacon Congrats to the OpenSuSE team for their release of OpenSuSE 11.4 - http://is.gd/rvLu6C :-) #opensuse | Mar 10 18:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Wayland For The Ubuntu Unity Desktop Redux: While there have been some battles waged recently between Canonical ... http://bit.ly/gWT7gI | Mar 10 18:00 | |
| Daemonfc | Given that I presume it sucks having to depend on Red Hat and Novell to make Ubuntu function, what is your diabolical master plan for when October gets here? | Mar 10 18:00 |
| Daemonfc | are you going to dump proprietary driver users to X and say good luck with that? | Mar 10 18:01 |
| Daemonfc | proprietary drivers = third world Ubuntu experience since they can't use Wayland | Mar 10 18:01 |
| Daemonfc | I figure that was the real goal in using Compiz in Unity | Mar 10 18:01 |
| Daemonfc | mutter does not play nice with crap drivers | Mar 10 18:01 |
| Daemonfc | whereas Compiz is full of hacks and work arounds | Mar 10 18:02 |
| Daemonfc | hiding the problems in the users system is not a solution, it's a bandage | Mar 10 18:03 |
| Daemonfc | eventually the hacks cause their own problems | Mar 10 18:03 |
| MinceR | i thought the diabolical master plan involved mono | Mar 10 18:03 |
| Daemonfc | you should really get the users thinking about what else may be wrong with the binary drivers | Mar 10 18:03 |
| Daemonfc | tell them to direct their anger at Nvidia | Mar 10 18:03 |
| Daemonfc | when I was using nvidia I found it doing all kinds of not nice things to my system | Mar 10 18:04 |
| Daemonfc | it almost makes FGLRX look like the virgin birth | Mar 10 18:04 |
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| Daemonfc | ATI still overwrites libGL but they undo the damage when you uninstall the driver | Mar 10 18:05 |
| Daemonfc | Nvidia not only doesn't fix their mess when they leave, they take a wrecking ball to your X.org/Mesa | Mar 10 18:06 |
| Daemonfc | basically they sabotage your system so that removing their driver means you can't use a competing one later | Mar 10 18:06 |
| Daemonfc | not without fixing a lot of files they overwrote | Mar 10 18:06 |
| Daemonfc | I don't like software that barges in and decides that they own my system now | Mar 10 18:07 |
| MinceR | is there some script or whatever that turns an arbitrary nvidia binary driver installer into a well-behaved package? | Mar 10 18:08 |
| MinceR | .deb or whatever | Mar 10 18:08 |
| Daemonfc | yes, Ubuntu makes it behave if you use their deb | Mar 10 18:08 |
| Daemonfc | judicious use of symlinking | Mar 10 18:08 |
| Daemonfc | same thing with Debian, OpenSuse, and RPM Fusion (Fedora) | Mar 10 18:09 |
| Daemonfc | you need to find a package that's made for your distro that doesn't let it get away with taking a shit all over your system | Mar 10 18:09 |
| Daemonfc | this makes custom kernels a real chore | Mar 10 18:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Tomorrow is World Day Against Cyber Censorship http://march12.rsf.org/en/ http://bit.ly/fmcA9p | Mar 10 18:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://twitter.com/PJCrowley/st... http://bit.ly/hGM2Fy | Mar 10 18:10 | |
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| Daemonfc | I still think that anyone who enabled the proprietary nvidia driver is basically throwing caution to the wind and don't care that it's opening up security problems and stability issues | Mar 10 18:11 |
| MinceR | or they don't know | Mar 10 18:11 |
| MinceR | or they think it's worth the performance | Mar 10 18:12 |
| Daemonfc | there's one documented case of Nvidia sitting on a Critical security problem, that they knew about | Mar 10 18:12 |
| Daemonfc | for two years | Mar 10 18:12 |
| MinceR | after paying for the gpu... | Mar 10 18:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm worried I'm sickening for something. I never feel tired this early normally, but I do tonight :) | Mar 10 18:12 | |
| oiaohm | MS record is 10 years. Daemonfc | Mar 10 18:12 |
| oiaohm | + | Mar 10 18:12 |
| oiaohm | Yes for a known secuirty flaw left open. | Mar 10 18:12 |
| Daemonfc | yeah, the bug in the 16 bit NTVDM That Google went nuts over | Mar 10 18:12 |
| oiaohm | No no | Mar 10 18:13 |
| Daemonfc | those files don't exist in the 64-bit Windows | Mar 10 18:13 |
| oiaohm | I was refering the the IE 6 bug where you could take complete control of the computer remotely | Mar 10 18:13 |
| oiaohm | Right down at kernel level. | Mar 10 18:13 |
| MinceR | and what about the autostart hole? :> | Mar 10 18:14 |
| oiaohm | That was in there since the first version IE6 | Mar 10 18:14 |
| oiaohm | to be correct first version of IE | Mar 10 18:14 |
| Daemonfc | MinceR: I've always disabled autorun | Mar 10 18:14 |
| MinceR | iirc they "fixed" it but even that's a halfassed "fix" | Mar 10 18:14 |
| Daemonfc | it's been abused for years, even by Sony to install malware | Mar 10 18:14 |
| MinceR | only for usb mass storage or something like that | Mar 10 18:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically atleast Nvidia bugs are not network reaching. | Mar 10 18:15 |
| MinceR | that hole is like 15 years old or what? | Mar 10 18:15 |
| oiaohm | Also the ping of control bug in windows. | Mar 10 18:15 |
| oiaohm | Varation on ping of death. | Mar 10 18:15 |
| oiaohm | Reason why MS machines will not answer a ping unless you are in the same network as them. | Mar 10 18:16 |
| oiaohm | Basically MS list of 10 year old take control over network are long and many. | Mar 10 18:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Dear !lazywebs, does anyone have a suggestion of a cheap USB #Skype / #VoIP pone that works natively in #Linux? | Mar 10 18:19 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 10 18:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ffii/@ffii] Happy 10th anniversary! @fsfe http://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20110310-01.en.html | Mar 10 18:20 | |
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| utsuwa | o/ | Mar 10 18:31 |
| utsuwa | whats up with the website? | Mar 10 18:31 |
| utsuwa | no news for severla days. schestowitz on vacation? | Mar 10 18:32 |
| cubexyz | yes | Mar 10 18:32 |
| utsuwa | several* | Mar 10 18:32 |
| utsuwa | really? | Mar 10 18:32 |
| cubexyz | yes :) | Mar 10 18:32 |
| utsuwa | did he make some kind of announcement that I missed? | Mar 10 18:32 |
| cubexyz | maybe in the logs... I didn't see any | Mar 10 18:33 |
| utsuwa | i c | Mar 10 18:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] OpenSUSE 11.4: SUSE Linux Revitalized http://is.gd/k0dVcI #gnu #linux #opensuse | Mar 10 18:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @nandaweiden: “Why you need #document #freedom | opensource.com” — http://ur1.ca/3gi3o #odf #office #msoffice | Mar 10 18:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @ggreenwald: Amnesty calls for protests against Obama administration over Bradley #Manning's treatment: http://is.gd/IGP681 !wikileaks | Mar 10 18:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Quick Look: openSUSE 11.4 http://is.gd/mKemrq #gnu #linux #microsoft #windows | Mar 10 18:37 | |
| oiaohm | cubexyz: Not vaction moving house | Mar 10 18:37 |
| cubexyz | ah ok | Mar 10 18:38 |
| oiaohm | Ok kinda a vacation just with a lot of heavy lifting. | Mar 10 18:38 |
| Daemonfc | OpenLawSuit 11.4 is out | Mar 10 18:38 |
| Daemonfc | joy | Mar 10 18:38 |
| cubexyz | a not so fun vacation | Mar 10 18:38 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Google-s-security-tool-infected-with-trojan-1205886.html << It is fun watching this. | Mar 10 18:39 |
| Daemonfc | I notice OpenSuse always seems to plan their key components around what the nonfree drivers support | Mar 10 18:39 |
| oiaohm | In 12 months time we should be able to really question MS we are infected due to market share. ie Android can resist the viruses why cannot windows. | Mar 10 18:39 |
| cubexyz | just not well designed | Mar 10 18:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @meegoexperts #Nokia #N900 gets more Community love update CSSU – #Maemo http://mge.bz/5Y | Mar 10 18:40 | |
| cubexyz | easy to use == easy to infect | Mar 10 18:40 |
| cubexyz | example: plan 9 is hard to use, and never gets infected | Mar 10 18:41 |
| cubexyz | plus barely anyone knows how to even use it :) | Mar 10 18:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @JPBarlow: World Day Against Cyber-Censorship - 12 March 2011 http://bit.ly/ff2h7T v @Lucatoledo !wikileaks !autonomous | Mar 10 18:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] that bastion of all things freedom related #SaudiArabia have their Police firing on protesters http://tighturl.com/2zvh | Mar 10 18:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @wikileaks: Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://bit.ly/g22GV8 !wikileaks | Mar 10 18:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Why you NEED document freedom http://is.gd/qn2w1W #dfd #dfd2011 #odf | Mar 10 18:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] De ce îți TREBUIE libertatea documentelor http://is.gd/qn2w1W #dfd #dfd2011 #romania #office #msoffice #software #politics @mcsiromania | Mar 10 18:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: The Sony PS3 Class File An Amended Complaint - http://bit.ly/euhWoA #sony #ps3 #linux #dmca #legal | Mar 10 18:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Moderating the "open source business workshop" this morning. Should be fun. http://www.scs.org.sg/event_detail.php?vieweventdetail=340 #fb | Mar 10 18:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "Mr Speaker, I can't listen to what was just said, so I'm going to wade through this punchline I wrote two days ago as a sound bite reply" | Mar 10 19:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: @gomerx @beefymiracle I hope you win. Fedora needs more meat product oriented features. | Mar 10 19:12 | |
| Daemonfc | downloading a Xubuntu daily CD for that laptop I'm going to give to my brother | Mar 10 19:12 |
| Daemonfc | I wouldn't expect Ubuntu or Kubuntu to work well | Mar 10 19:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] for many #Labour are still the #IllegalWar party, no amount of "we've moved on" will change that, sending Blair to the Hague is a good start | Mar 10 19:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "we moved on" doesn't even begin to cut it to make up for the lies, and lives cost both to coalition forces and Iraqis | Mar 10 19:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @simonm223: Voting is not a democratic right. It is a democratic duty! #cdnpoli | Mar 10 19:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: It is not harm to legalize private activities people were doing anyway. #c32 builds respect for © | Mar 10 19:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: @copyrightcanada References? Are you talking about real tech, or an episode of StarTrek? #C32 | Mar 10 19:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter slight correction "led by special interests" "staffed by politicians", although the ability to inflict misery is the same | Mar 10 19:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms 449 tser : If I word it right, he'll kill me. http://bit.ly/et9Hl5 #amwriting #Chevenga #weblit | Mar 10 19:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: Have not received LJ comment notification in a week. Average 80+ comments per entry. Dear LJ: Fuck you with a chainsaw. | Mar 10 19:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: ...I seem to have offended LJ so much with that last Tweet that it is now giving me a comment view from 1995. #wtf | Mar 10 19:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: Dear LJ: Stop hosting spammers and get yourself un-blacklisted, or you're going to bed with NO DESSERT. | Mar 10 19:29 | |
| Daemonfc | those spam block services are really arbitrary | Mar 10 19:29 |
| Daemonfc | they get one guy with a DSL line pumping out spam, so they block all of the million customers his ISP has in that state | Mar 10 19:30 |
| Daemonfc | don't call the ISP and complain, don't file a lawsuit with a discovery motion | Mar 10 19:30 |
| Daemonfc | lets just block 999,999 innocent people over one peckerhead | Mar 10 19:30 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 10 19:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Here! Here! RT @davidakin Min State Gary Lunn on #Chara hit: We'd like to see #NHL take action to prevent this injury. | Mar 10 19:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Good news, everyone! I didn't add too much sriracha to my ramen. But I did squirt it all over my side of the room #fail | Mar 10 19:30 | |
| Daemonfc | I had to get ahold of GMX and complain because their anti-spam service that they subscribe to was blocking me from sending any email | Mar 10 19:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Well, if you delight in being fastidious & correct it is...RT @gregobr @TonyClement_MP Isn't it "Hear, hear"? | Mar 10 19:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: Bradley Mannings disgraceful treatment in his own words - his lawyer releases details. http://bit.ly/fkwyeN | Mar 10 19:32 | |
| Daemonfc | the proper way to deal with a spammer is through the court system, not just blocking ISPs randomly | Mar 10 19:32 |
| Daemonfc | Herpa derp, we blocked the whole internet, you won't get any spam now! | Mar 10 19:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: RT @CanadiensMTL Letter from Geoff Molson to Canadiens fans. Read: http://goha.bs/eNv18h | Mar 10 19:34 | |
| Daemonfc | instead of using free stuff like Bogofilter, they subscribe to this junk (or make their own, like Hotmail) | Mar 10 19:34 |
| Daemonfc | and it starts sorting your messages wrong | Mar 10 19:34 |
| Daemonfc | yes, thanks guys, every Viagra spammer gets to my inbox but a letter from my dad is junk | Mar 10 19:34 |
| Daemonfc | terrific | Mar 10 19:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Min. of State (Americas) Peter Kent lobbied by Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/gQ5vE7 | Mar 10 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @howardknopf: CSI: Bill C-32 will cost Songwriters $35 Million a Year - Question - how much gets to CDN artists? http://mwne.ws/eCCx0C | Mar 10 19:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] The decent, innocent couple from the One Show (ACS:Law ep) have commented on OpenBytes.Very brave people for standing up and fighting back. | Mar 10 19:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] For those that have been following the ACS:Law story, link here: http://tinyurl.com/6yu57vs | Mar 10 19:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] industry double standards? I don't believe it http://tighturl.com/2zvj they say it's not, who are we to question them? | Mar 10 19:47 | |
| oiaohm | http://saveandquitgaming.com/2011/03/microsoft-lose-1-2-million-due-to-code-exploit/ | Mar 10 19:48 |
| oiaohm | Really MS will hid the real figure here. | Mar 10 19:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] gonna have to find a suitable place to put the "authors against DRM" logo #thinkingcap http://tighturl.com/2zvl | Mar 10 19:49 | |
| Daemonfc | that the $1.2 Million dollars was just in Monopoly Money? | Mar 10 19:51 |
| Daemonfc | :) | Mar 10 19:51 |
| Daemonfc | and that they'll be OK | Mar 10 19:51 |
| Daemonfc | how do you lose money when people are using sequences of numbers and letter to claim 1's and 0's? | Mar 10 19:52 |
| Daemonfc | that just makes no sense, maybe the RIAA can explain it better than I could | Mar 10 19:52 |
| Daemonfc | :D | Mar 10 19:52 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @quaid: New blog post: Pondering why KDE, GNOME, ASF et al get so many GSoC projects http://bit.ly/fKdZrf | Mar 10 19:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | Bethesda stock plummets, h4x0rs find ways to download free horse armor | Mar 10 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | the horror, the HORROR! | Mar 10 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 10 19:55 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: The bit you miss is MS online store on xbox 360 has no clause that they don't have to pay the software makers for fraud purchases. | Mar 10 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | maybe it will now | Mar 10 19:56 |
| oiaohm | So the question is how much was spent. | Mar 10 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | let other people hold the bag for MS fuckups | Mar 10 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't be new | Mar 10 19:56 |
| oiaohm | But at under a few million its not going to kill MS. | Mar 10 19:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Gaddafi's son took oil from Libyan field http://alturl.com/3b82c !wl | Mar 10 19:57 | |
| DaemonFC | jono used his MS Moolah to download DRM'd WMVs of Justin Bieber | Mar 10 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's OK, live and let live | Mar 10 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | he knows people, pulls strings | Mar 10 19:59 |
| oiaohm | Problem here DaemonFC MS needs the app providers. | Mar 10 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | gets Windows 7 Ultimate, SweatyB signature edition | Mar 10 19:59 |
| oiaohm | Without them they don't have a platform with xbox 360 | Mar 10 19:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Humanitarian free and open source software in the local community by @lhawthorn | http://bit.ly/hGiaDq #FOSS #collaboration | Mar 10 20:00 | |
| DaemonFC | bored, might build a -next kernel | Mar 10 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | ho hum | Mar 10 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | I have my KConfig sufficiently pruned down that it shouldn't fail building for something I don't even need | Mar 10 20:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] any entry level CPU / grapghics cards problematic on #Linux these days? | Mar 10 20:09 | |
| DaemonFC | XFS has seen a major overhaul lately | Mar 10 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | plus the latest Radeon code would be nice to have | Mar 10 20:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange's "Big Picture" letter to Nicky Hager (NZ) from 2007 http://alturl.com/68ydg !wl | Mar 10 20:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Lista comunităților #Linux #dinromania, actualizată http://is.gd/z7OGb3 !slm !romanianfreesoftware !informaticalacastel #gnu #software #free | Mar 10 20:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] apparently i3 is fine in 33 kernel and above, and shared chipset is also generally fine | Mar 10 20:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LibreOffice 3.3.2 Release Candidate 1 available http://is.gd/R8gk4l #lo #libreoffice #office #msoffice #ooo #microsoft #windows | Mar 10 20:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks Sebut Presiden Yudhoyono Salah Gunakan Kekuasaan http://is.gd/x3tUoA !wl | Mar 10 20:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] bit-trip is awesomely addictive! | Mar 10 20:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] We missed this hilarious, and true story, about Assange gate-crashing a US embassy cocktail party http://is.gd/KXHiXM !wl | Mar 10 20:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] realistically. I'm pretty settled into Mint and LMDE so as much as I "can" switch, actually switching is not all that likely | Mar 10 20:49 | |
| DaemonFC | Now this from that dumbass | Mar 10 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTE5OA | Mar 10 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Declare the Fusion open source driver dead | Mar 10 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Update: Ubuntu just doesn't ship the firmware | Mar 10 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | oops | Mar 10 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | what a retard | Mar 10 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | the Fusion E-350 has always worked on Fedora 14 | Mar 10 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | all he would have to do to see this was a deficiency in Ubuntu is boot a Fedora CD | Mar 10 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | or go grab the firmware himself and stick it in where Ubuntu's kernel would load it | Mar 10 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | shock jockeys will do or say anything to get attention | Mar 10 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | that way more people load more of his advertising | Mar 10 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | if the E-350 isn't working in Ubuntu, go ask...jono why they decided to fuck over everyone with the device | Mar 10 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | the device's driver is as stable | Mar 10 21:05 |
| oiaohm | I have firmware for a wireless card that refused to load under Ubuntu | Mar 10 21:06 |
| oiaohm | And releated. | Mar 10 21:06 |
| oiaohm | But any non related distribution to Ubuntu works it perfectly. | Mar 10 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | I build my own kernels, I don't trust Ubuntu's kernel any further than I could throw jono | Mar 10 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 10 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | every time I hit a kernel bug on an Ubuntu system, it turns out to be one of their broken patches that caused it | Mar 10 21:07 |
| oiaohm | Failure to work with upstream. | Mar 10 21:07 |
| oiaohm | The pain will just keep on increase. | Mar 10 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | their kernel is already an 11 MB diff patch against mainline | Mar 10 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | that can't be good | Mar 10 21:08 |
| oiaohm | Intersting that firefox lived threw the first day of pwn2own but IE did not. | Mar 10 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | why is that interesting? | Mar 10 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | low hanging fruit | Mar 10 21:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes firefox is lacking a sandbox so in theory should be a softer target. | Mar 10 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's not that Firefox is secure | Mar 10 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's that IE is less secure | Mar 10 21:08 |
| oiaohm | It still proves that IE build teams are still incompetent. | Mar 10 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | what makes me laugh is how Crapple always rushes out a bazillion security patches ahead of Pwn2Own and they always get taken down first anyway | Mar 10 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | the lack of security in OS X is mind boggling | Mar 10 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | it gets taken down faster than Windows | Mar 10 21:10 |
| oiaohm | No. The extra money on the table helps. | Mar 10 21:10 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough chrome did not even get tested the first day. DaemonFC | Mar 10 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | why bother? | Mar 10 21:10 |
| oiaohm | The person who was planing on attacking did not even turn up. | Mar 10 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | nice juicy targets right over there (IE, Firefox, Safai) | Mar 10 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | *Safari | Mar 10 21:11 |
| oiaohm | Really I don't know why you would both going to pwn2own in the first place. | Mar 10 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | why go after the only browser with a real security model? | Mar 10 21:11 |
| oiaohm | The number of bugs you need to win you most like make more momey with firefox and chrome report them straight up. | Mar 10 21:11 |
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| oiaohm | then be albe to by a device as new never touched by anyone else who is majorally evil. | Mar 10 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Google and Firefox have some tempting bug bounties | Mar 10 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | I like Chromium for a secure browser at this point | Mar 10 21:12 |
| GoForbes28 | What do you think Glyn and Thistle would say if I suggest that I host TechBytes this week? | Mar 10 21:12 |
| GoForbes28 | I think thoughts towards questionable sanity? | Mar 10 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why I go to lengths to keep AppArmor working | Mar 10 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | it usually just stops me from doing something I need to do | Mar 10 21:13 |
| GoForbes28 | I would use SRWare Iron, just for peace of mind | Mar 10 21:13 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Really I want Firefox vs Chrome | Mar 10 21:13 |
| oiaohm | A single browser at the top allows them to get lazy. | Mar 10 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28: Chromium doesn't have the Google crapware or the scary Google EULA | Mar 10 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | I always tell people use Chromium | Mar 10 21:14 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, and SRWare has all possible spying features turned off, and built in adblock and user agent switch to boot | Mar 10 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | the PPA versions of Chromium and the one provided by Tom Callaway for Fedora are compiled with the same optimization options and security settings Google uses for Chrome | Mar 10 21:14 |
| GoForbes28 | Doesn't chromium still have freedom licencing issues? | Mar 10 21:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rsandu: LibreOffice 3.3.2 Release Candidate 1 available http://is.gd/R8gk4l #lo #libreoffice #office #msoffice #ooo #microsoft #windows | Mar 10 21:15 | |
| DaemonFC | Chromium is better because you don't agree that Google can sell you down the river just for starting the application | Mar 10 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | no, it's mostly BSD-style licenses | Mar 10 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's free software | Mar 10 21:16 |
| GoForbes28 | so is SRWare Iron, which goes a few steps further | Mar 10 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | Google's EULA at one point was fairly vague about what information they could collect and what they could do with it | Mar 10 21:16 |
| GoForbes28 | http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#chromium-browser | Mar 10 21:16 |
| GoForbes28 | "Description: Freed version of googles Chrome Web browser | Mar 10 21:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Homepage: http://www.chromium.org/Home | Mar 10 21:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Problem: (1) Copyright or license of some code is unclear | Mar 10 21:17 |
| GoForbes28 | (2) Links to proprietary plugins. | Mar 10 21:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Recommended Fix: Remove the package | Mar 10 21:17 |
| GoForbes28 | References: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291 | Mar 10 21:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Copyright file: http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/LICENSE?revision=HEAD&view=markup | Mar 10 21:17 |
| GoForbes28 | (Source) package name(s): chromium-browser" | Mar 10 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | it was worded o poorly that for example, if I typed up a blog post and hit submit, it belonged to Google | Mar 10 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | anything you posted anywhere, the copyright was assigned to Google because you used Chrome | Mar 10 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | they fixed that though after users complained enough | Mar 10 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | linking to nonfree software does not make the software nonfree | Mar 10 21:18 |
| GoForbes28 | It doesn't look like all the issues I posted were resolved | Mar 10 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | the FSF has used that as a flimsy excuse to not recommend Google | Mar 10 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | errr Debian | Mar 10 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | *tired | Mar 10 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | Debian doesn't advertise the nonfree repos, they are not enabled by default, and they explicitly do not support them | Mar 10 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | they're there for users who need some nonfree software and go slightly out of their way to get it | Mar 10 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't make Debian less free | Mar 10 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu, on the other hand..... advertises it | Mar 10 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | suggests the user get it | Mar 10 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | and says they support it, even though they obviously can't | Mar 10 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | you tell me which one of those is free or not | Mar 10 21:20 |
| GoForbes28 | RMS has said himself that he appreciates what Google does for the Free software community | Mar 10 21:20 |
| GoForbes28 | He just doesn't throw caution to the wind, and neither do I. | Mar 10 21:21 |
| GoForbes28 | Besides, we're not talking about Debian here, we're talking about Chromium | Mar 10 21:21 |
| GoForbes28 | and I believe Chromium does recommend proprietary plugins | Mar 10 21:21 |
| GoForbes28 | Similar to what Firefox does | Mar 10 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | linking to nonfree software doesn't make you nonfree | Mar 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | he uses this in his anti-BSD harassment | Mar 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | repeatedly | Mar 10 21:22 |
| GoForbes28 | But it hinders having a totally Free system | Mar 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD is more free than GnewSense | Mar 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | but the FSF considers it nonfree | Mar 10 21:22 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, it does have proprietary blobs, so | Mar 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD audits their licenses more carefully than Gnewsense does | Mar 10 21:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Depends on how you define Free | Mar 10 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Gnewsense has ended up having nonfree software in their repo numerous times | Mar 10 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | including afio | Mar 10 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | almost every time you find out a piece of "free" software actually isn't, it's almost always in the "100% totally free" Linux distros | Mar 10 21:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 if I'm working it out, this is a chat thing? | Mar 10 21:24 | |
| GoForbes28 | They also have less people too | Mar 10 21:24 |
| GoForbes28 | Trisquel seems to do better | Mar 10 21:24 |
| GoForbes28 | As I was saying | Mar 10 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's ridiculous to say 100% totally free | Mar 10 21:24 |
| GoForbes28 | yes, giving you the freedom to do whatever you want is freedom | Mar 10 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | there is no system that's 100% totally free that a human would want to use | Mar 10 21:24 |
| GoForbes28 | but I also think it is important to maintain the freedom for others | Mar 10 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Gnewsense wouldn't work for me because almost every piece of non-trivial hardware needs firmware to function, and that firmware is usually redistributable, but not free | Mar 10 21:25 |
| GoForbes28 | Trisquel works just fine for me | Mar 10 21:25 |
| GoForbes28 | I bought a laptop without a need for firmware | Mar 10 21:26 |
| GoForbes28 | I researched and chose carefully | Mar 10 21:26 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: there is still firmware | Mar 10 21:26 |
| GoForbes28 | and besides, Gnewsense is a lost cause anyway | Mar 10 21:26 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, but it isn't propreitary | Mar 10 21:26 |
| oiaohm | Difference between firmware loaded by OS and firmware in a rom chip somewhere. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 21:26 |
| GoForbes28 | at least on the software side | Mar 10 21:26 |
| GoForbes28 | well, there is | Mar 10 21:26 |
| GoForbes28 | That I can't control | Mar 10 21:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we have an IRC channel which will be announced when the site is, maybe something for the future, not sure about now | Mar 10 21:27 | |
| oiaohm | Basically no matter what a computer will contain some closed source unless you are the maker. | Mar 10 21:27 |
| oiaohm | Of everything in it. | Mar 10 21:27 |
| oiaohm | In one way loadable fireware is better. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 21:28 |
| oiaohm | simple to update in case of secuirty issues and a better possiblity to clone. | Mar 10 21:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Loadable firmware? | Mar 10 21:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Yes, I know the BIOS isn't free | Mar 10 21:28 |
| GoForbes28 | I know I would have to get a Lemote Yeelong or a OLPC | Mar 10 21:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 have you used psi for a project yourself? I have something else currently in embryonic stage which may have a use for it | Mar 10 21:29 | |
| oiaohm | BIOS core some board can be got with corebios | Mar 10 21:30 |
| oiaohm | Its normally other things like firewire ports and other times you don't have the firmware to and cannot replace in a lot of cases. | Mar 10 21:31 |
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| GoForbes28 | I don't have firewire, therefore it isn't a problem | Mar 10 21:31 |
| GoForbes28 | USB works fine for me | Mar 10 21:31 |
| oiaohm | Nice when you had the firewire bug in a mahcine where you could plug in a special firewire device and override the OS secuirty. | Mar 10 21:31 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, good thing I don't use it | Mar 10 21:32 |
| oiaohm | there have been other cases of hardware devices with issues like that. | Mar 10 21:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] misleading adverts, astroturfing, all standard tools of the trade these days sadly :( http://tighturl.com/2zvq | Mar 10 21:32 | |
| GoForbes28 | Oh wait, we can't call it firewire less we violate Apple's intellectual inventory | Mar 10 21:32 |
| oiaohm | Not a direct driver fault but a fireware | Mar 10 21:32 |
| GoForbes28 | IE 1394 | Mar 10 21:32 |
| oiaohm | firmware | Mar 10 21:33 |
| GoForbes28 | *IEEE 1394 | Mar 10 21:33 |
| oiaohm | There have been a few network cards as well break the firmware write where you like in OS memory. | Mar 10 21:33 |
| oiaohm | IE os netural complete secuirty shot. | Mar 10 21:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 yes, I'm building it, we have a matching irc channel too, both will be launched / announced together for people to join us | Mar 10 21:34 | |
| GoForbes28 | The software that comes with Samsung monitors has been known to overwrite firmware pertaining to Laptop internal monitors, rendering them non-functional | Mar 10 21:34 |
| GoForbes28 | nice eh? | Mar 10 21:34 |
| oiaohm | That is where loadable firmware designs as so so good. | Mar 10 21:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie one static firmware that starts the device | Mar 10 21:35 |
| GoForbes28 | I actually installed said software once, it caused flickering and other odd events, uninstalled it, and the problems went away | Mar 10 21:35 |
| oiaohm | then you load the correction each boot. | Mar 10 21:35 |
| GoForbes28 | So I guess I was one of the lucky ones | Mar 10 21:35 |
| GoForbes28 | BTW, you happen to see my dent on the stupid Windows 8 leaks? | Mar 10 21:35 |
| oiaohm | So if you screw it up. | Mar 10 21:35 |
| oiaohm | Clear the OS you are fine. | Mar 10 21:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Those were the days | Mar 10 21:35 |
| oiaohm | I have not seen what has happened to your dent on Windows 8 leaks | Mar 10 21:36 |
| GoForbes28 | nothing has happened to it? | Mar 10 21:36 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 all 3 of us are busy with different things recently too, so time together to work out and plan has been sparse | Mar 10 21:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] not quite sure #Apple want associated with this image http://tighturl.com/2zvr not exactly the fit, trendy, go-getter lifestyle they sell | Mar 10 21:37 | |
| oiaohm | I have not even been near Windows 8 leaks | Mar 10 21:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 lol your more than welcome to come on the show if you like | Mar 10 21:39 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Let | Mar 10 21:40 |
| GoForbes28 | s find that dent. | Mar 10 21:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I can imagine #Apple lawyers sending out a C&D on the term, demanding it be called something else | Mar 10 21:40 | |
| Ender2070 | im grabbing opensuse 11.4 kde | Mar 10 21:41 |
| oiaohm | Most of the Windows 8 leaks will be PR attempts to get people dancy and willing to buy | Mar 10 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | im curious how it compares against fedora | Mar 10 21:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we have been very erratic in recording times, I've missed a couple of eps due to an off the cuff "lets record" & I'm not in IRC | Mar 10 21:42 | |
| GoForbes28 | ah there we are | Mar 10 21:42 |
| GoForbes28 | "goforbes28 | Mar 10 21:42 |
| GoForbes28 | Look at these drastic Win8 enhancements![/sarcasm] (http://tinyurl.com/69zeq65) A folder-UP button. Wow! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqzmtz) | Mar 10 21:42 |
| GoForbes28 | about a day ago from web at Ontario, Canada" | Mar 10 21:42 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender2070: Please don't insult Fedora like that. ;) | Mar 10 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | by enhacements you mean mock ups | Mar 10 21:43 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah | Mar 10 21:43 |
| GoForbes28 | hence the sarcasm | Mar 10 21:43 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Really I wish distribution would start supporting ksplice out box. | Mar 10 21:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we do currently record in a skype conference, when we get more time to explore we'll try to switch to something free | Mar 10 21:44 | |
| oiaohm | So restart not required. | Mar 10 21:44 |
| GoForbes28 | if anybody believes they are enhancements, there is a bad case of delusion going about | Mar 10 21:44 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Is a sign of MS deperation. | Mar 10 21:44 |
| GoForbes28 | Ksplice? | Mar 10 21:44 |
| oiaohm | Trying to work out how to make Windows 8 sell. | Mar 10 21:44 |
| GoForbes28 | Pouring salt on the wounds... | Mar 10 21:45 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss128/technoarea/ClassicShell.png&imgrefurl=http://technoarea.co.cc/customize-windows-vistas-7s-windows-explorer-using-classic-shell/&usg=__6fIqcWc5RTyZcInsi6M9RDDTD4s=&h=647&w=715&sz=86&hl=en&start=2&sig2=E-qFk8OtrfBKKeLpqDVtTw&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=hLiieoruUHT9WM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dclassic%2Bshell%2Bup%2Bbutton%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26gbv%3D2%26tb | Mar 10 21:45 |
| GoForbes28 | =qIx5Tfe9JMOtqgGYwtWhBw | Mar 10 21:45 |
| GoForbes28 | urgh, try again | Mar 10 21:45 |
| GoForbes28 | http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss128/technoarea/ClassicShell.png | Mar 10 21:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we also don't edit, the whole thing goes out uncut | Mar 10 21:45 | |
| Ender2070 | [21:43] <GoForbes28> Ender2070: Please don't insult Fedora like that. ;) | Mar 10 21:45 |
| oiaohm | http://www.ksplice.com/why | Mar 10 21:45 |
| Ender2070 | competition is good | Mar 10 21:45 |
| oiaohm | Kspice is infact a open source solution GoForbes28 | Mar 10 21:46 |
| oiaohm | That allows you to patch Linux kernel in place. | Mar 10 21:46 |
| oiaohm | So yes if every feature Linux had on offer was being used by distrobutions there is no reason for a Linux to ever need a reboot. | Mar 10 21:46 |
| GoForbes28 | cool | Mar 10 21:46 |
| GoForbes28 | Now that's innovation | Mar 10 21:46 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender2070: Yes, but Microsoft isn't competition | Mar 10 21:47 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Its only 8 years old. | Mar 10 21:47 |
| GoForbes28 | Ubuntu is competition | Mar 10 21:47 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Its not new. | Mar 10 21:47 |
| GoForbes28 | Debian is competition | Mar 10 21:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 I'll fire it onto mint for a quick chat, so we can test it | Mar 10 21:47 | |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: and unix's were doing like ksplice in the 1980~ | Mar 10 21:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically if MS would basically just catch up a lot of people would be thinking new features. | Mar 10 21:48 |
| oiaohm | Of course Linux servers are also aiming to get boot times down in to the seconds. | Mar 10 21:49 |
| GoForbes28 | Or if MS went bust, which is preferable since they demonstrate no evidence of evolution | Mar 10 21:49 |
| Ender2070 | [21:47] <GoForbes28> Ender2070: Yes, but Microsoft isn't competition | Mar 10 21:49 |
| Ender2070 | opensuse isn't microsoft | Mar 10 21:50 |
| oiaohm | opensuse and Novell do dispute. | Mar 10 21:50 |
| oiaohm | A lot. | Mar 10 21:50 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of things done differently in opensuse compared to suse | Mar 10 21:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just fixed the tags and stacked a lotta #Radiohead onto my mp3 player | Mar 10 21:50 | |
| Ender2070 | yup | Mar 10 21:50 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: basically don't mix opensuse up with suse they have different management. | Mar 10 21:51 |
| GoForbes28 | They should just fork FFS before they are too late, like OpenSolaris | Mar 10 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse KDE isn't half bad | Mar 10 21:51 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: I don't think I ever mixed them up | Mar 10 21:51 |
| oiaohm | Solaris still have a few minor tech advantages over Linux | Mar 10 21:52 |
| GoForbes28 | or bring up opensuse for that matter :S | Mar 10 21:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 well, that saves hassle, it's already in the mint / ubuntu repos | Mar 10 21:52 | |
| oiaohm | But its offset by all the other techadvantages Linux has. | Mar 10 21:52 |
| oiaohm | its fun watching the BSD guys scream over HAL disappearing. | Mar 10 21:52 |
| GoForbes28 | uh, oiaohm, can you respond to my comment? | Mar 10 21:53 |
| Ender2070 | 11.4 has firefox 4 even | Mar 10 21:53 |
| GoForbes28 | meh | Mar 10 21:53 |
| GoForbes28 | I never considered things like that "features" | Mar 10 21:53 |
| GoForbes28 | Anybody can install Firefox 4 | Mar 10 21:53 |
| Ender2070 | yeah they can | Mar 10 21:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 both, I installed psi+ | Mar 10 21:54 | |
| Ender2070 | but opensuse integrates firefox with kde | Mar 10 21:54 |
| GoForbes28 | If you have a shitty OS with the GIMP, I wouldn't call the GIMP a feature | Mar 10 21:54 |
| Ender2070 | they support the patches | Mar 10 21:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Intergrate is what way? | Mar 10 21:54 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Sorry I took context wrong at one point. Where Ender2070 and your windows 8 leaks overlaped. | Mar 10 21:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Is it a different implementation from the quasi-GTK mess? | Mar 10 21:54 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: No problem :) | Mar 10 21:55 |
| Ender2070 | uses the kde file dialog | Mar 10 21:55 |
| Ender2070 | giving it KIO support | Mar 10 21:55 |
| Ender2070 | kde device mappings will then work | Mar 10 21:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] another brainfart of @markshuttlecock? | Mar 10 21:55 | |
| Ender2070 | libreoffice | Mar 10 21:55 |
| Ender2070 | kde 4.6 | Mar 10 21:56 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, I personally don't care for KDE, so it isn't a big selling point for me | Mar 10 21:56 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: MS counts OS installed applications in there windows feature list | Mar 10 21:56 |
| GoForbes28 | Plus, OpenSUSE strikes me as bloated | Mar 10 21:56 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: Don't remind me | Mar 10 21:56 |
| Ender2070 | Firefox integration in KDE Plasma, using native file dialogs, oxygen styling (also for GTK applications) and respecting the user’s mail client and browser choices. | Mar 10 21:56 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: All C++ programs are bloated due to current gcc issues. | Mar 10 21:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Billy G: "But they're not applications!! They are components of Windows!!!11" | Mar 10 21:57 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: XFCE seems pretty unbloated right now | Mar 10 21:57 |
| oiaohm | XFCE last time I looked is C. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 21:57 |
| GoForbes28 | I prefer medium-light distros | Mar 10 21:57 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: XFCE wins again | Mar 10 21:58 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: The only thing better would be something programmed in assembly ;) | Mar 10 21:58 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: gcc 4.6 will cut some pounds off everything if distributions use it right. | Mar 10 21:58 |
| Ender2070 | im wondering what version of gcc this uses | Mar 10 21:58 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.4 introduces whole program opt | Mar 10 21:58 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.6 has whole program opt that works. | Mar 10 21:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 alrighty, logged in but can't find any options for setting up the mic / headset | Mar 10 21:59 | |
| Ender2070 | 11.3 had gcc 4.5 | Mar 10 21:59 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: But XFCE will still have a perfomance advantage? | Mar 10 22:01 |
| GoForbes28 | OK, before we continue with the conversation(s), here's a bit of comic relief, free of charge | Mar 10 22:02 |
| GoForbes28 | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IknPfSHrHug/TD5E4Z8WK4I/AAAAAAAABW4/i6L2kVjg4To/s1600/Ignatieff_cheese_763841artw.jpg | Mar 10 22:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] A little comic relief for tough times: http://tinyurl.com/4e2kxkg | Mar 10 22:04 | |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: some places XFCE is slower than KDE. | Mar 10 22:07 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: Blasphamy! | Mar 10 22:07 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: due to XFCE not taking advantage of the GPU that has at least 16 times the processing power of you cpu. | Mar 10 22:07 |
| GoForbes28 | I pretty sure the latest version of XFCE has hardware desktop compositing | Mar 10 22:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] @goforbes28 Hmm cheese! | Mar 10 22:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 on what tab? I can't see any reference to voice | Mar 10 22:09 | |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: No it don't. | Mar 10 22:09 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: And yes it need to get it at some point. | Mar 10 22:09 |
| GoForbes28 | it has compositing, I find it hard to believe it isn't accelerated | Mar 10 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | make localmodconfig is kind of neat :) | Mar 10 22:10 |
| oiaohm | KDE basic window drawing is accelerated. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 22:10 |
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| DaemonFC | it detects the kernel modules that nothing is using and removes them from your config | Mar 10 22:11 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: XFCE is using compositing just to move blocks of data around. Not to transform them. | Mar 10 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | I notice that this way I end up building 420 modules instead of like 2100 | Mar 10 22:11 |
| GoForbes28 | http://customisinglife.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/enabling-xfwms-compositor/ | Mar 10 22:11 |
| oiaohm | ie XFCE usage you video card could be almost completely dumb and make no difference. | Mar 10 22:11 |
| GoForbes28 | "To my understanding the compositor does not have a software fallback." | Mar 10 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | you can use compiz on top of XFCE you know? :) | Mar 10 22:12 |
| GoForbes28 | yes | Mar 10 22:12 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: those are really basic operations. | Mar 10 22:12 |
| GoForbes28 | In XFCE case, I think it is more akin to Windows' GDI++, which provide hardware acceleration to make everything smoother in lieu of special effects | Mar 10 22:12 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: QT off loads a lot of 2d drawing to opengl. | Mar 10 22:13 |
| oiaohm | So Qt can draw straight on the compesited memory. | Mar 10 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | In Windows, WDM wraps around GDI+ | Mar 10 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | you can address WDM directly but few things actually do | Mar 10 22:13 |
| oiaohm | Basically why composite if you toolkits cannot draw directly on composite surfaces. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | GDI+ is legacy crap that just won't die | Mar 10 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | Actually, it shouldn't die right now, because 99% of general Windows Apps use it | Mar 10 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's why it's there | Mar 10 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | as long as it's there, everyone will be lazy and keep using it | Mar 10 22:15 |
| GoForbes28 | meaning that Windows 7, with it's lack of GDI+ acceleration, actually has much worse performance | Mar 10 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft can never deprecate it either | Mar 10 22:15 |
| GoForbes28 | In other words, no one is satisfied | Mar 10 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're stuck with it | Mar 10 22:15 |
| GoForbes28 | yep | Mar 10 22:15 |
| oiaohm | Really MS is stupid. | Mar 10 22:15 |
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| GoForbes28 | so for the sheep, they make the experience as painful as possible | Mar 10 22:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 that must be a plugin you;re using, I can't find it | Mar 10 22:15 | |
| oiaohm | They have deprecated API in past. | Mar 10 22:15 |
| oiaohm | The smart way is to provide a new API and let the old API die out. | Mar 10 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | they usually won't deprecate something that lots of things actually use | Mar 10 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | and if they do, they usually put out migration tools | Mar 10 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | VB to VB.NET is rather painless | Mar 10 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | so VB is deprecated | Mar 10 22:17 |
| GoForbes28 | hey, this is the same company that made IE6 a dependency, FFS | Mar 10 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, now IE is lugging around several rendering engines and broken JScript interpreters | Mar 10 22:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Yes, but the GDI+ to whateverthehelltheuse isn't a transition | Mar 10 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | lest something break | Mar 10 22:18 |
| oiaohm | MS plan was by now to be Nuking the NT line. | Mar 10 22:18 |
| GoForbes28 | it's handle so badly that it is a critical flaw of the system that the fanboy just shrug off | Mar 10 22:18 |
| oiaohm | And we would be running a .net based OS. | Mar 10 22:18 |
| oiaohm | That kinda did not work. | Mar 10 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | I think they should have dropped IE 6 compatibility and told the broken websites to deal with it | Mar 10 22:18 |
| GoForbes28 | And replace with magical theoretical OS? | Mar 10 22:18 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Its not a theoretical OS. | Mar 10 22:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Doesn't exist, it's vapourware | Mar 10 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of companies bitch that their stupid crufty old intranet is busted if they upgrade IE | Mar 10 22:19 |
| GoForbes28 | And a .net operating system | Mar 10 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | so they never do :) | Mar 10 22:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Are they insane? | Mar 10 22:19 |
| GoForbes28 | See how well a Java OS is doing? | Mar 10 22:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Morons. | Mar 10 22:19 |
| oiaohm | http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/singularity/ << their is the prototype. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 22:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Talk about slow | Mar 10 22:20 |
| GoForbes28 | On the plus side, reverse engineering would be a snap | Mar 10 22:20 |
| oiaohm | And Windows Phone 7 is also trying to force in that direction. | Mar 10 22:20 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: application containment and hidden intergrated drm would also be a snap. | Mar 10 22:21 |
| GoForbes28 | and doing a poor job. | Mar 10 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | an OS in C# is not going to happen outside of a basically functionless novelty | Mar 10 22:21 |
| GoForbes28 | Meh, someone would crack the DRM | Mar 10 22:21 |
| oiaohm | singularity was interesting. | Mar 10 22:21 |
| GoForbes28 | WPF is terrible | Mar 10 22:21 |
| oiaohm | It was the first ms .net to contain a .net to native code complier. | Mar 10 22:21 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: In mind, still vapourware | Mar 10 22:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie means to spit out native binaries. | Mar 10 22:21 |
| GoForbes28 | wipdee-doo | Mar 10 22:22 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: You can download singularity build it and run it. | Mar 10 22:22 |
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| oiaohm | GoForbes28: vapourware says you cannot do even that. | Mar 10 22:22 |
| GoForbes28 | and how far does that go in terms of basic functionality | Mar 10 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | what's funny is thanks to .NET disassemblers, anyone who tries to make anything in any .NET language is exposing their source code | Mar 10 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | you really think Microsoft is going to make an OS with it? | Mar 10 22:22 |
| GoForbes28 | I referenced that | Mar 10 22:22 |
| GoForbes28 | C'mon, you think Microsoft is stupid? | Mar 10 22:23 |
| GoForbes28 | uh.. | Mar 10 22:23 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Ms did release a watch containing singularity. | Mar 10 22:23 |
| GoForbes28 | a watch | Mar 10 22:23 |
| GoForbes28 | wow | Mar 10 22:23 |
| GoForbes28 | bet it was damned revolutionary | Mar 10 22:23 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: this why I am saying not vaporware. | Mar 10 22:24 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: You can guess how it sold. | Mar 10 22:24 |
| oiaohm | Ie it did not. | Mar 10 22:24 |
| GoForbes28 | ok, technically not vapourware | Mar 10 22:24 |
| GoForbes28 | but given the amount of half-ideas out of M$ these days, I think we made to expand the definition | Mar 10 22:25 |
| oiaohm | Techically is a failed product. | Mar 10 22:25 |
| GoForbes28 | a useless nothing is still vapour | Mar 10 22:25 |
| oiaohm | The watch was a phone watch to be a revelution in comunications. | Mar 10 22:25 |
| oiaohm | Ie KIN mark 1 | Mar 10 22:25 |
| oiaohm | KIN phone followed it. | Mar 10 22:25 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, a revolution in ineptness | Mar 10 22:26 |
| oiaohm | Now we have WP7 trying to keep the .net on mobiles alive to hopefully allow .net on desktops to take off. | Mar 10 22:26 |
| oiaohm | I am not seeing good odds of anything of this working. | Mar 10 22:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 it needs the psimedia addon | Mar 10 22:27 | |
| oiaohm | Really its not ineptness Ms could see arm being a major player coming. | Mar 10 22:28 |
| oiaohm | MS could see lot of there applications would not work accress cpu types. | Mar 10 22:29 |
| GoForbes28 | As DaemonFC said, .net in an OS would only possibly kinda work on a phone, because it can be locked down | Mar 10 22:29 |
| GoForbes28 | Of course, saying "work" is being generous :) | Mar 10 22:29 |
| oiaohm | MS was hoping for .net to save there ass. | Mar 10 22:29 |
| oiaohm | Yet the complete time MS has failed to get software makers onboard. | Mar 10 22:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 I have it set, you are freakzoid right? | Mar 10 22:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 yep, I guessed that was you on my buddy list | Mar 10 22:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 appanrtly your offline, or not authorised, I dont use jabber normally | Mar 10 22:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler Now the nosedive begins 4 Nokia... | Mar 10 22:34 | |
| GoForbes28 | I think Sony Vegas is one of the few that has | Mar 10 22:36 |
| GoForbes28 | and even then, only partially | Mar 10 22:36 |
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| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Sony Vages is not the top in its field. Lightworks that is plan is to be cross platform without .net | Mar 10 22:42 |
| GoForbes28 | "Open source" since 1989? | Mar 10 22:45 |
| GoForbes28 | Really? | Mar 10 22:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler No one who goes to bed with M$ leaves the bed well. It's like a std in the day after. And many die of it. | Mar 10 22:45 | |
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| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Open source since 1989 refering to what. | Mar 10 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | in an ideal world, all software would be free and open source | Mar 10 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | in an ideal world there would also be no rape, murder, kidnappings, or child molesters | Mar 10 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | take home point, not a perfect world | Mar 10 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that these firmware blobs are proprietary really makes no sense most of the time anyway | Mar 10 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | what trade secret is Realtek keeping in making integrated NIC firmware a blob? | Mar 10 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Cheats on benchmarking. DaemonFC | Mar 10 22:58 |
| oiaohm | Also some of the hardware is badly design secuirty wise. | Mar 10 22:59 |
| oiaohm | So if you can do what ever you want you could basically run a hidden virus there. | Mar 10 22:59 |
| GoForbes28 | sorry | Mar 10 23:02 |
| GoForbes28 | still here | Mar 10 23:02 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: from wikipedia: | Mar 10 23:02 |
| GoForbes28 | LightworksDeveloper(s)EditShare LLC | Mar 10 23:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Initial release1989 | Mar 10 23:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Stable release1.3 / January 2009; 2 years ago | Mar 10 23:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Operating systemMicrosoft Windows | Mar 10 23:02 |
| GoForbes28 | TypeNon-linear editing system | Mar 10 23:02 |
| GoForbes28 | LicenseOpen Source | Mar 10 23:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Websiteeditshare.com ? Lightworks | Mar 10 23:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] José Padilha vai dirigir o remake de Robocop... Não sei se choro ou se rio... | Mar 10 23:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms : It is Kallijas who does it http://bit.ly/et9Hl5 #Chevenga #weblit #reading #scifi | Mar 10 23:10 | |
| oiaohm | Lightworks started life as a closed source product GoForbes28 | Mar 10 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Editshare is quite a major server producer for high end production. There servers are Linux based. | Mar 10 23:12 |
| oiaohm | There objective by aquiring Lightworks is to get a good video editor on Linux. | Mar 10 23:13 |
| GoForbes28 | Aren't there already some good editors? | Mar 10 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Not in lightworks class. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 23:15 |
| GoForbes28 | What stage of development is it at? | Mar 10 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Binary for windows is released of course. Source code is in legal department of course to be completely audited by middle of year. | Mar 10 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Binary for windows is released free of course. | Mar 10 23:16 |
| oiaohm | So something better than Sony Vagas for nothing for windows users at moment. | Mar 10 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Lightworks is able for most operations do them realtime. GoForbes28 | Mar 10 23:18 |
| GoForbes28 | are there screenshot? | Mar 10 23:19 |
| GoForbes28 | s | Mar 10 23:19 |
| oiaohm | http://www.lightworksbeta.com/ | Mar 10 23:20 |
| oiaohm | http://www.lightworksbeta.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=112&Itemid=246 And they are not slowing down feature development just because Linux and Mac support is on the roadmap. | Mar 10 23:22 |
| GoForbes28 | looks very unique | Mar 10 23:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes its funny they are calling it a Beta because the source code is not released. Not that is unstable or anything. | Mar 10 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | I bought Lightworks when it was proprietary | Mar 10 23:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] In Arista v LimeWire court rejects RIAA contention it is entitled to statutory damages for each direct infringer http://bit.ly/eZbVfE #riaa | Mar 10 23:25 | |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: what interface standards where there in 1989 | Mar 10 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | the Amiga was the most advanced computer of the 80s | Mar 10 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | nothing else really even touched it | Mar 10 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason the PC and Mac did better was because the Amiga was priced well out of the range of home computers | Mar 10 23:27 |
| oiaohm | Lightworks and Blender are both from around the same time frame in interface design. | Mar 10 23:28 |
| oiaohm | When you use to design interfaces for task. Not have patterns to follow. | Mar 10 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | AmigaOS 4 ended up with a cult following too but they made this stupid inexplicable decision to target PowerPC | Mar 10 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | which meant you were left to go buy a Mac, format Mac OS off, and install AmigaOS manually | Mar 10 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | or buy this outrageously overpriced PPC system from them | Mar 10 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | obviously they would have sold better if they targeted the x86 PC | Mar 10 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | BeOS made the same mistake | Mar 10 23:30 |
| *DaemonFC used and liked BeOS | Mar 10 23:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Haiku seems to be progressing slowly | Mar 10 23:30 |
| GoForbes28 | yes | Mar 10 23:34 |
| GoForbes28 | about the same pace as reactos | Mar 10 23:35 |
| GoForbes28 | maybe a little faster | Mar 10 23:35 |
| oiaohm | The problem with being a edge OS | Mar 10 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Is lack of resources. | Mar 10 23:35 |
| oiaohm | You can even see FreeBSD screaming out for resources. | Mar 10 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD seems to be doing OK | Mar 10 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Mar 10 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Its still depending on items like HALd and other parts that have been declared dead. DaemonFC | Mar 10 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | declared dead in Linux | Mar 10 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | someone could maintain them for FreeBSD | Mar 10 23:37 |
| oiaohm | hald is declared dead by freedeskop.org | Mar 10 23:38 |
| GoForbes28 | At least there are a fair amount of BSD | Mar 10 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Was declared non mainatined 3 years ago. DaemonFC | Mar 10 23:38 |
| oiaohm | And no one has turned up. DaemonFC | Mar 10 23:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Plaintiffs...presented no facts that... indicate...allegation is anything more than speculation."~Hon.Rudi M. Brewster http://bit.ly/eZbVfE | Mar 10 23:39 | |
| oiaohm | Its a borning but important job. | Mar 10 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | nothing in a Linux distribution has any business depending on HAL | Mar 10 23:39 |
| oiaohm | Linux has paid coders todo the work. | Mar 10 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | but some things still do | Mar 10 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Mar 10 23:39 |
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| oiaohm | Lot of the smaller OS's need to look at a foundation model. | Mar 10 23:40 |
| oiaohm | So they have so much money each year to pay a coder full time to deal with the crap no one else wants to deal with. | Mar 10 23:40 |
| GoForbes28 | or you make it enjoyable | Mar 10 23:41 |
| GoForbes28 | you just need to fulfill intrinsic motivators | Mar 10 23:41 |
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| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Never works. | Mar 10 23:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @ghosthand A website that plays ambient music underneath live NYPD radio: http://youarelistening.to/newyork (via Sage Francis) | Mar 10 23:42 | |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: there is always that dark edge somewhere that a person needs to be bribed to touch. | Mar 10 23:42 |
| GoForbes28 | Ah | Mar 10 23:43 |
| GoForbes28 | I assume these tasks are repetitive? | Mar 10 23:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Righthaven ramping up the silly lawsuits again http://tighturl.com/2zvw | Mar 10 23:44 | |
| DaemonFC | I just merged Linux 2.6.38-rc8 with drm-radeon-testing, patched AppArmor, stripped the kernel of everything I don't use, and set it up with all the neat stuff like realtime and transparent huge pages | Mar 10 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 10 23:45 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Not exactly repetitive. Normally the task that to the end user look exactly the same. | Mar 10 23:49 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Some can be insanely hard to fix. Ie lack of reward for effort basically. | Mar 10 23:50 |
| GoForbes28 | I don't know | Mar 10 23:50 |
| GoForbes28 | extrinisic motivators tend to only work with very simple tasks | Mar 10 23:50 |
| GoForbes28 | with problem solving and abstract thinking, they become useless | Mar 10 23:51 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Blenders good motivator is the movie projects. | Mar 10 23:51 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Those are funded of course. | Mar 10 23:51 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Google summer of code only so useful because it cannot be targeted against the complex problems. | Mar 10 23:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie summer of code has cleaned up some of the dark crap conners of open source. | Mar 10 23:52 |
| GoForbes28 | summer of code is one of the best ideas I've seen in awhile | Mar 10 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Foundation model like blender and others. | Mar 10 23:53 |
| oiaohm | Works very well along side it. | Mar 10 23:53 |
| GoForbes28 | well, I better get to sleep | Mar 10 23:53 |
| GoForbes28 | see you all later | Mar 10 23:54 |
| GoForbes28 | good discussions all | Mar 10 23:54 |
| GoForbes28 | :/9 | Mar 10 23:54 |
| GoForbes28 | :) | Mar 10 23:54 |
| GoForbes28 | bye oiaohm | Mar 10 23:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.37.3-libre-lemote and 2.6.32.32-libre2-lemote for !yeeloong !gnewsense are available at http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/ | Mar 10 23:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Must Read: "Tor, XMPP, GPG, Internet security" excellent blog post by @jimmorgan http://ur1.ca/3gnth !privacy #internet #security !lp | Mar 10 23:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @Reuters FLASH: Gaddafi forces enter #Libya's Ras Lanuf oil port and clash with rebels, insurgents say | Mar 10 23:59 | |
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