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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Paul-Martini-Schule http://b1t.it/cpP #4sqMar 10 00:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Twitter blocked in #Cameroon, unlikely to affect protests - http://bit.ly/fiLUz5 government discovers #Streisand EffectMar 10 00:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Peter King's Radicalization Hearings, Explained http://ur1.ca/3g7rz #Republican #hypocrisy #Islamophobia #CongressMar 10 00:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Great Green African Wall Planned for Sahara - http://bit.ly/fBvLgT imagine if this had been done instead of invading Iraq... #africaMar 10 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @DavidAllenGreen #LibelReform campaign publish important pamphlet on what Defamation Bill should contain: http://bit.ly/fuTtdj (pdf)Mar 10 00:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh weren't ssh and perl originally non-free? o.oMar 10 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011Mar 10 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] http://twatter.com/ that is all.Mar 10 00:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sqMar 10 00:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Un articol necesar în #Wikipedia #RO, vă ROG să contribuiți http://is.gd/8hlU5j ( @legiinternet , @cdriga , @prolinuxro , @avpascal s.a.) :)Mar 10 00:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek & Poke: How To Deal With Information Overload http://goo.gl/VEcYeMar 10 00:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RomiMaier: "4 elemente [...] virtualizare in Data Center", Dan Popa Star Storage LIVE http://www.agora.ro/eveniment-live/virtualizare-0Mar 10 00:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Tottenham are into the last eight of the Champions with a 0-0 draw against Milan. Nice work Gallas and Dawson !spurs !footballMar 10 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Openstreetmap, #harta #GPS liberă și gratuită, pe care o poți îmbunătăți și singur http://is.gd/izz5kA #romania #garmin #mapMar 10 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Greg Grossmeier: !Ubuntu Global Jam – #Natty Narwhal http://goo.gl/vx4gNMar 10 01:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Daniel Holbach: !Ubuntu Development videocast http://goo.gl/qUQOLMar 10 01:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Randall Ross: Master Your Social Networking with Gwibber http://goo.gl/pCMNjMar 10 01:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @Sjig: Read the *secret* Dutch GVT report on open source savings here : http://ur1.ca/3g8f6 #egovt #gnu #linux #opensource #free #softwareMar 10 01:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mozilla #Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available - http://bit.ly/h8m1r8 important releaseMar 10 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just found my old Tux-Pirate-Brit-Catalan avatar :)Mar 10 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @runa_b 10 year old python champs who got @kushaldas to recheck functions in his code #confkdein http://t.co/zBfgelmMar 10 01:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, time to do some work.Mar 10 01:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Online music sales in #China up by 14 percent - http://bit.ly/gTnym5 despite rampant #piracyMar 10 01:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Irish Computer Service Board switches to open source software - http://bit.ly/gzOpZE "forecast to have major migration ramifications"Mar 10 01:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Let's have a very strong #teaMar 10 01:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @gijs: Read the *secret* Dutch GVT report on open source savings here : http://ur1.ca/3g8f6Mar 10 01:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MIT Media Labs’ new logo has 40,000 variations - http://bit.ly/dU3hDL clever #designMar 10 01:32
MinceRgeekingsMar 10 01:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Mark Shuttleworth: Internal competition is healthy, but depends on strong and mature leadership http://goo.gl/cj5Hu !gnome !ubuntuMar 10 01:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Thank you, wireshark <#Mar 10 01:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available http://bit.ly/e8bwbKMar 10 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☝ Parallel Filing: In the future, where will most of the patents that patent trolls use come from? Find out in m... http://wmk.me/fcK4tlMar 10 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Interrogator in #Assange case friend with woman accusing #Wikileaks founder - http://bit.ly/fXfcor never a dull moment (v @AlexiMostrous)Mar 10 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Foggy thinking about the Right to Oblivion - http://bit.ly/fE5jnB excellent analysis: "Culture is memory" #privacyMar 10 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Internal competition is healthy, but depends on strong and mature leadership - http://bit.ly/erex69 big post from #Canonical's Big ManMar 10 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Illinois Death Penalty Repeal Has National Implications - http://bit.ly/gwu4rn is the tide finally turning? #capitalpunishment #usMar 10 02:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Reforming Peer Review. What are the practical steps? - http://bit.ly/ggfhf2 long, thoughtful & important post #peerreview #scienceMar 10 02:20
speexbTniPASome TV networks have  started gratiuituously wrapping their video in Flash:Mar 10 02:21
speexbTniPAhttp://areena.yle.fi/ohjelma/1673832Mar 10 02:21
speexbTniPAThere is no added value in Flash as a container format, only liability -- security and portability suffer.Mar 10 02:21
oiaohmspeexbTniPA: really flv format is documented fully.Mar 10 02:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The 17 Sides of a Cultural Identity - http://bit.ly/eyi2Z8 more on multi-faceted, variable logos (v @loucaspapa) #designMar 10 02:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @glynmoody Illinois Death Penalty Repeal Has National Implications - http://bit.ly/gwu4rn is the tide finally turning? #capitalpunishmentMar 10 02:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For #Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” - http://bit.ly/ewcPvV using #Linux tooMar 10 02:30
MinceRoiaohm: so?Mar 10 02:31
MinceRit brings no technical merits to the table, it's merely more difficult to play and handleMar 10 02:31
MinceRand trash itself is a big heap of security and privacy issues, implemented by people whose programming skills consist entirely of whining about how difficult something is to implementMar 10 02:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] FrenchLeaks - http://bit.ly/fS4LAi "documents d’intérêt public concernant notamment la France et l’Europe"; good to see (v @telecomix)Mar 10 02:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody #China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For #Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” - http://bit.ly/ewcPvVMar 10 02:33
MinceReven if you don't consider how shitty trash is, their installed base is scaryMar 10 02:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @mozilla Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available http://bit.ly/e8bwbKMar 10 02:35
MinceR(and difficulties in providing alternative trash players show that it's not an open format, at least in practice)Mar 10 02:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do we need an Open Interface licence? - http://bit.ly/emkss5 "interface code can be closed, but back-end code open"; hmmMar 10 02:43
oiaohmMinceR: I have not found a flash site that does not download by one method or anotherMar 10 02:47
MinceRdownloading is just part of the dealMar 10 02:48
oiaohmMinceR: also lot of the flash selection was prior to any viable cross platform soltuions either.Mar 10 02:48
MinceRand i'm tired of working around all that shitMar 10 02:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup [Ubuntu 11.04] http://ping.fm/QRK3vMar 10 02:48
MinceRi think that linking to a standard video file is pretty viable and cross platformMar 10 02:48
oiaohmMinceR: Think how old webm is and the lack of windows means to play ogg.Mar 10 02:48
MinceRsure, you don't get to put ads all around a tiny video window, but fuck that.Mar 10 02:48
oiaohmMinceR: just embed the adds in the video problem solved.Mar 10 02:49
MinceRand HTTP could do streaming for a long timeMar 10 02:49
oiaohmBut there was no common format all browsers supported.  MinceRMar 10 02:49
oiaohmYes the state of crap we have had.Mar 10 02:49
oiaohmAnd its the state of crap that has to end.Mar 10 02:50
MinceRwhat browser didn't support <a href="video.mpg">my video</a> ?Mar 10 02:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog http://ping.fm/njN7sMar 10 02:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @LinuxLatest conf.kde.in Opens in Bengaluru (KDE.NEWS) http://bit.ly/gd57Q4Mar 10 02:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: Dedicated to the dissemination of public documents relating notably France and Europe. http://www.frenchleaks.fr/ <3Mar 10 02:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @darkestkhan: Call for translators to help with #FreedomBox http://bit.ly/hek2Ut #Debian #Linux (repost because previous link got killed)Mar 10 02:56
oiaohmMinceR: mpg magical patent locked solution.  MPEG LA again.   I should have been more correct no format that all browsers supported where the was not a person who could be grabing a fee.Mar 10 02:59
oiaohmMinceR: Adobe allow FLV to be used without fee.Mar 10 03:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "The Ten Minute Guide to diff and patch" from http://stephenjungels.com/jungels.net/articles/diff-patch-ten-minutes.html #programmingMar 10 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Vinux Project: Ubuntu-based distribution designed for blind and visually impaired users http://ping.fm/EZqW5Mar 10 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Vapiano http://b1t.it/cqB #4sqMar 10 03:05
speexbTniPAMPEG and QuickTime are more portable.Mar 10 03:08
oiaohmspeexbTniPA: and patented.  Mar 10 03:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Steve Jobs Introducing Macintosh 24-JAN-1984 - No matter how often he said $2400 was cheap no one cheered the price http://ping.fm/g5cX3Mar 10 03:08
oiaohmspeexbTniPA: under a licenses that people can demard fees for content.Mar 10 03:08
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speexbTniPAyesMar 10 03:08
speexbTniPAwebm and ogg are neededMar 10 03:09
oiaohmBasically the first format without fees won.Mar 10 03:09
oiaohmunforntanly the format that won also requires flash.Mar 10 03:09
twitterOpen Washing non free medical records systems and Microsoft http://www.fredtrotter.com/2011/03/01/glen-tullman-presents-the-chewbacca-defense/Mar 10 03:09
speexbTniPAFSF  could work *with* Apple on ban of Flash.Mar 10 03:09
speexbTniPAMozilla Foundation, too.Mar 10 03:10
oiaohmBecareful working with Apple.Mar 10 03:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Do you set your system clock to UTC? If not, why?Mar 10 03:10
oiaohmApple can make profit from mpeg patents and quicktime patents.Mar 10 03:10
speexbTniPAOf course, Apple has problems, but there are areas of common groundMar 10 03:10
oiaohmSo most key thing is to focus on forcing webm up.Mar 10 03:10
speexbTniPAbut to make their proffit from mpeg and quicktime patents (in NAFTA zone) they have to eliminate flashMar 10 03:10
speexbTniPAthat makes room for webm and oggMar 10 03:11
oiaohmogg container format has some design flaws that do effect streaming resuneablity.Mar 10 03:11
oiaohmwebm basically is the best on offer.Mar 10 03:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sabayon 5.5 review at linuxbsdos.com http://ping.fm/betCeMar 10 03:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do we actually need a #census? - http://bit.ly/hJl5Sc bit late to ask...but a reasonable article (v @jmcesteves)Mar 10 03:11
oiaohmand webm has a proper patent grant and patents in googles hands to use to defend it.Mar 10 03:12
oiaohmSad it took so long to get something like webm that is basically the right tech for the job.Mar 10 03:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MIT Media Lab, Logos and Trademarks - http://bit.ly/gdwfZB time for the algorithmic trademark? #design #computabilityMar 10 03:13
speexbTniPAWhich browsers support WebM today?Mar 10 03:13
oiaohmFunny enough flash itself support WebM today.Mar 10 03:15
oiaohmSo flv and WebM are already equal.Mar 10 03:15
oiaohmTo be correct WebM is ahead.Mar 10 03:15
oiaohmAs time goes on Firefox 4 has webm current chrome has.   That is about 50 percent + of the market without flash.Mar 10 03:18
speexbTniPAnot so equal, flash has more malware potential and is locked to a few platformsMar 10 03:36
speexbTniPAFF has a lot of marketshare, that will drive webm adoptionMar 10 03:37
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speexbTniPAFF-> FirefoxMar 10 03:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Please take this 5 minute @AdaInitiative survey about women in open technology and culture! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011Mar 10 03:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Paraphrasing Mark Shuttleworth: It's all down to the Gnome leadership, nothing to do with us http://ping.fm/SdATSMar 10 03:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The other problem with Shuttleworth's remarks? Assumes Unity will win. If it loses, he'll need a whole other strategy, won't he?Mar 10 03:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ubuntu Wiki Relicensing to CC-BY-SA – Request For Comments by @popey http://ping.fm/K1HnpMar 10 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I can't see how anyone could object to that @popey re http://bit.ly/h2dBJKMar 10 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Public domain here, under copyright there http://ping.fm/BJrFTMar 10 03:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Aptitude is now back in the default package list of #ubuntu 11.04, good choiceMar 10 03:53
oiaohmspeexbTniPA: flash will at first help.   For the simple reason non supporting were flash is will still have some form of support.Mar 10 03:54
oiaohmspeexbTniPA: Of course ideal is not to require flash of course.Mar 10 03:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Twitter está saturado o no disponible temporalmente. Inténtalo de nuevo o visita Estado de Twitter para más información. #twitter #lameMar 10 03:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @evan long awaited. But won't it cause a loop if I use identi.ca to feed Twitter timeline? Or have you avoided that already?Mar 10 04:01
MinceRoiaohm: did they also allow use of their video codec without a fee?Mar 10 04:02
oiaohmMinceR: adobe released the full specs of flv and gave a free patent lince equal to what webm has now.Mar 10 04:03
MinceRflv is just a container, isn't it?Mar 10 04:04
MinceRthey had some sorensen bullshit or whateverMar 10 04:04
MinceRthey have h.264 nowMar 10 04:04
oiaohmNo there is a flv particular encoding.Mar 10 04:04
oiaohmThat is pre h.264Mar 10 04:04
oiaohmvideo/x-flvMar 10 04:04
oiaohmThat video format.Mar 10 04:04
oiaohmSorenson Spark, Screen videoMar 10 04:05
oiaohmAlso the predesor to webm is also in flv.  On2 VP6Mar 10 04:06
MinceRi did mention sorensonMar 10 04:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, baguette and beer time woot!Mar 10 04:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Schulamt Bonn, Außenstelle Beschaffung & IT http://b1t.it/cqW #4sqMar 10 04:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] A new install of Ubuntu 11.04 on Virtualbox partially failed installing. Let's see if it recovers from aptitude... ;-)Mar 10 04:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Paul-Martini-Schule http://b1t.it/cpP #4sqMar 10 04:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler @schestowitz Wow, are they still on those old tricks ? How pity.Mar 10 04:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] no idea who this fella is, but I'm guessing he'd be better than Blatter http://tighturl.com/2ztv change is BADLY needed #FIFA !footballMar 10 04:28
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oiaohmMinceR: When the selections were first made to use flash by a lot h.264 support was not in flash.Mar 10 04:33
oiaohmMinceR: many years latter the iso format f4v contains only h264 that suxs.Mar 10 04:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] have the #Republicans made themselves unelectable in Wisconsin? http://tighturl.com/2ztw how many average workers will vote for them now?Mar 10 04:35
oiaohmMinceR: Issue has been at every turn the supporters behind Mpeg have  getting rid of the others.Mar 10 04:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @thistleweb: have the #Republicans made themselves unelectable in Wisconsin? http://tighturl.com/2ztwMar 10 04:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #Conservatives made themselves a pariah on Scotland with the #PollTax decades on they're still a minor player largely because of thatMar 10 04:36
oiaohmMinceR: Hard part is lot of these selections are done over 5 to10 year windows.Mar 10 04:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Giving a try -- for sport over no-lunch -- fixing the machine via aptitude install ubuntu-desktop and let it crunch, which it's doing.Mar 10 04:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Libya: #BBC news team kidnapped, hooded and beaten by Gadaffi's forcesMar 10 04:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks ideas spread: French news site @MediaPart launches its own leaks site: http://frenchleaks.fr !wlMar 10 04:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Hot on the heals of #openSUSE 11.4 being released, we've just finished our latest podcast! http://bit.ly/dXETWuMar 10 04:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Ridicolo che le banche usino ancora la dizione "assegno su piazza", visto che la compensazione è completamente elettronicaMar 10 04:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I think I'm gonna try Jolli OS or whatever they're calling the new Jollicloud. I haven't used it in yonksMar 10 04:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: SCO, unXis, Microsoft, Canopy, Carlyle, Elliott Associates, and Koch Industries - http://bit.ly/gZbDG5 #SCO #Microsoft #kochMar 10 04:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] /me looking at #packetfenceMar 10 04:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Integrating Software Center with #Launchpad (Mockup) http://goo.gl/bUNoA !uMar 10 05:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I just unticked the box for local replies to be sent to Twitter, @support, but they're still being relayed. Any ideas?Mar 10 05:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @atopiary: @aaronbarr http://poll.pollcode.com/U2N this poll is old, but what do you think of the results? What are you up to these days?Mar 10 05:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 448 Ili's view of Jitzmitthra. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #fantasy #Minis #worthreadingMar 10 05:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @glynmoody: Great Green African Wall Planned for Sahara - http://bit.ly/fBvLgT imagine if this had been done instead of invading Iraq...Mar 10 05:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Loved @bkuhn's Apple rant on the latest @faifshow. That was spot on and very funny. "Sick, I tell ya! SICK!!!" :DMar 10 05:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @karinlow: I can't begin to express how much "the Harper Government" offends me. It's not your government, nimrod.Mar 10 05:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Linux, Mac, and Windows now available: http://bit.ly/h8m1r8 - grab it while it's hot!Mar 10 05:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Europe, the Guardian needs you - http://bit.ly/g6hbKv is #Guardian trying to set up global network of #bloggers?Mar 10 05:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Anony_Ops: A new #Anonymiss appears. @AnonMsLy Sexy and hot as hell!Mar 10 05:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonymousIRC: France first country to recognize Libyan rebel leadership as country's legitimate government. http://ow.ly/4bwNq #Feb17Mar 10 05:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Thorsten Wilms: Design-Boost http://goo.gl/PeLHu design in free software worldMar 10 05:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Nokia CFO plays Symbian while rubber boot maker burns - Nokia is still doomed http://bit.ly/gCBwlP #businessMar 10 05:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: Reality is "not available for sale" a greater impact on revenues for creators than infringement, #C32 makes issue worseMar 10 05:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @tekk Perl? Was always Artistic License or am I wrong? ssh was around since before there even was proprietary software I think.Mar 10 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Vienna opens its data [de] - http://bit.ly/i1ddKx nett (v @bethnoveck @karounos) #opendata #austriaMar 10 05:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Interrogator in Assange case is friends with accuser > http://goo.gl/6axLC (Swedish) !wlMar 10 05:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Zoopla launches Property Archive of past UK house prices - http://bit.ly/gCXKaF interesting #property #opendataMar 10 05:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Safari and Internet Explorer are hacked first at Pwn2Own contest - http://bit.ly/hNHJ9T excitement: will Firefox and Chrome resist?Mar 10 05:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL! :D ♺ @evan: @digibomb You're seriously on flight 815? Is this soccer team on your flight? http://outl.ws/dPMkjiMar 10 05:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Trying to keep my brain alert with Monster. It's better than collapsing...Mar 10 05:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Louis #Vuitton – the symbol of corporate #bullying - http://bit.ly/gDk6ja not even handbags at dawnMar 10 05:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnrMar 10 05:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mendeley API Binary Battle: IsItOpenData? - http://bit.ly/fHOAp2 @petermurrayrust asks the right question #opendataMar 10 05:46
speexbTniPA@TRIdewntica: SSH arrived only in 1995, Mar 10 05:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Now boarding SXF > CGNMar 10 05:48
speexbTniPAhttp://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Overview#SSH_-_open_then_closedMar 10 05:48
speexbTniPAPerl was around firstMar 10 05:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !perl and databases? Very nice DBI guide: http://www.felixgers.de/teaching/perl/perl_DBI.htmlMar 10 05:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] LLVMpipe Gallium3D Is Used In Fedora 15: Fedora 15 is gearing up to be another great release from the Red Hat ca... http://bit.ly/dH8qqWMar 10 05:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] ♻ @karsten: A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnr !fs !gnuMar 10 05:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open source procurement: Subscriptions | http://bit.ly/gjkn78 #foss #osiMar 10 06:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks news update http://is.gd/xRn0oy & http://wlcentral.org/ !wlMar 10 06:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @emily_hatchpr @ABridgwater Cool map of US passport ownership by state. 45% of Americans have a passport. http://aol.it/e6eJNl >>uh-huhMar 10 06:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Mark is deliberately misleading the community about the way GNOME works [...] this post is essentially a lie." http://outl.ws/g7DpwMMar 10 06:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ratholeradio: Tickets to the 2nd annual Rathole Radio gig in Liverpool on April 24th are now available http://is.gd/7x2cRwMar 10 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] What the hell is Shuttleworth doing? He's just lashing out again and again on his blog suddenly after not posting for months. What's up?Mar 10 06:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Release is coming. So some noise needed?Mar 10 06:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @bryonwilfert: Two decisions by Speaker of the House of Commons find Conservative government in contempt of Parliament. Election coming.Mar 10 06:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Spending a few hours learning as many vim commands and terminal commands as i can. !cliMar 10 06:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I have been called a lot of things on here and I actually agree with some of it but liar really hurts. I never knowingly lied.Mar 10 06:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I may be an egomaniacally, troublemaking bastard that doesn't know what he's talking about but a liar? Wow.Mar 10 06:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Microsoft and the Game of Catch-Up #drupalcon http://ping.fm/NuUHnMar 10 06:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: I remember @michelenlared said to me this "in a hurry" comment. I had to leave it, cos I had no idea what it meantMar 10 06:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] openSUSE 11.4 has arrived http://lwn.net/Articles/432736/rssMar 10 06:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] New Statesman: How the 'liberal' press tried to silence WikiLeaks http://is.gd/3q5kL1 !wlMar 10 06:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @michelenlared I wonde if Mark's real annoyance with Gnome is he's losing the PR battle?Mar 10 06:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @vinzv: Moved to !fedora alpha on my day-by-day machine. Everything looks good and works right from the start.Mar 10 06:45
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AdmFubar_i take it roy is on vacation? :) about time he took a break!Mar 10 06:46
AdmFubar_laters allMar 10 06:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: What's #disturbing is: @sabdfl seems to believe #FaiF sw needs him more than he needs it.Mar 10 06:48
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MinceRlol @ shuttlecock's delusions of grandeurMar 10 06:49
MinceRa reference would be nice thoughMar 10 06:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] 'The Guardian’s hatchet job on Julian Assange' | WSWS http://alturl.com/xypga !wlMar 10 06:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Is http://www.markshuttleworth.com down or is it just me?Mar 10 06:52
oiaohmMinceR: Really KDE will not miss the chance to knife Gnome.Mar 10 06:53
oiaohmMinceR: KDE does pride themselves on following freedesktop standards.Mar 10 06:53
cubexyzicewm, xfce, kde is what I useMar 10 06:54
MinceRoiaohm: ?Mar 10 06:54
MinceRi was referring to the dent redented by fabshMar 10 06:54
cubexyzmay as well try different DE'sMar 10 06:55
oiaohmShuttleworth does not get it yet Ubuntu method is no different to what Gnome does.Mar 10 06:56
oiaohmIts basically lets ingnore upstream.Mar 10 06:57
oiaohmFreedesktop should be upstream of Gnome and KDE.Mar 10 06:57
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cubexyztime to tweak weather.txtMar 10 06:59
cubexyzit's getting rather bigMar 10 06:59
MinceRhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/09/sony-ps3-lg-blu-ray-disputeMar 10 07:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: No project/org has perfect leadership, but GNOME is among best in this regard.Mar 10 07:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh yeah, but there are several ways of "down" and I don't know what that site uses. I just get a blank page (but http connection is ok)Mar 10 07:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] openSUSE 11.4 Released: The openSUSE developers in Nuremberg and around the world have a reason to celebrate tod... http://bit.ly/dGvt8cMar 10 07:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Open-Source AMD Fusion E-350 Support Takes A Dive: If you have been thinking about picking up a motherboard with... http://bit.ly/hLguktMar 10 07:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: the sickest part is that @sabdfl is clearly having a !Canonical proxy war w/ #RedHat through #GNOME.Mar 10 07:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] If vuntz had a broken heart after Banshee, he must be totally gutted now.... :(Mar 10 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] The upcoming FTF ELN annual meeting is going to be awesome. EG 2/3 of the initial keynotes will rock tha house (the third is mine) ;-PMar 10 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] setting up another !debian system for the Polish FLOSS Foundation. I love that system. :) #fwioo #wiooMar 10 07:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: New #Gwibber User Guide makes mastering social networking in Ubuntu easy http://goo.gl/5u7NCMar 10 07:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ninapaley: Mimi and Eunice: My Works Are Like My Children http://j.mp/fw903QMar 10 07:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] For those who haven't guessed, I absolutely love Mimi and Eunice. @ninapaley has an incredible sense of the absurd!Mar 10 07:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why is Mark so interested in Gnome anyway? Seems to me he planning to get totally rid of it as fast as possible...Mar 10 07:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] DailyTech - Apple's OS X is First OS to be Hacked at This Year's Pwn2Own http://ping.fm/eCYzNMar 10 07:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] IMHO Shuttleworth has all rights to complain if a promise was not kept. OTOH that's life, if you don't like it, fork it. I'm #unconcernedMar 10 07:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @bugabundo: thumbs up http://acidcow.com/pics/20110310/acid_picdump_19.jpg | ROTFLMar 10 07:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] FOSA AGM and SFD 2011 planning meeting - http://fosa.sg/2011_ECM_ACM_SFDS_KickoffMar 10 07:43
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sebsebsebHiMar 10 07:49
sebsebsebmandybuntu: hiMar 10 07:49
sebsebsebuh wrong oneMar 10 07:49
sebsebsebMinceR:  hiMar 10 07:49
MinceRhayMar 10 07:49
sebsebsebMinceR: PC Linux OS, new KDE when stable enough, just done my upgrade to KDE 4.6.1Mar 10 07:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] After a bit of unsuccessful troll-fishing ;-( heading to home office and will see if it had worked when I'm back online ;-)Mar 10 07:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Of the 9 roses I bought @th3k4ty for our anniversary, 6 are still left 10 days later. They weren't cheap but seem to have been worth it. :)Mar 10 07:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] My email id is a bigger winner than charlie sheen....Mar 10 08:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #MusOpen.org: Public domain performances of public domain music - http://bit.ly/hUNdAN good intro to important project #pd #musicMar 10 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ggoes So !Slackware's next version number is really 13.37? Amazing.Mar 10 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Off to bed early today. Reading all the gnome / canonical mud slinging has tired me out :pMar 10 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OpenSuse 11.4 release mentioned at Adnet and The HMar 10 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Actually OpenSuse is mentioned everywhere. Too many to read them allMar 10 08:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Die GdL streikt. Fallen jetzt überall die #Apple Airport Express aus? </sarcasm>Mar 10 08:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] !Ubuntu Maverick shuts down really fast (< 5 seconds) Thanks @keybuk for all the great work in making that possible.Mar 10 08:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Endowed by Their Creator?: The Future of Constitutional Personhood - http://bit.ly/fNJh3Z deep & delightful musings on chimeras & the lawMar 10 08:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU: Time For a New Approach on #Copyright - http://bit.ly/f5uU0R ah, that naughty Neelie - teasing again...Mar 10 08:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Honest Tea tests America’s honesty in its latest brand campaign - http://bit.ly/ifuUKf nice #tea #honestyMar 10 08:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla at SXSW 2011 http://mzl.la/gdCUxDMar 10 08:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Norwegian open source-based problem-reporting website launched nationwide - http://bit.ly/gYBGGu #opensource #opengovMar 10 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] HP to Ship All PCs With webOS Option http://bit.ly/i9zqwW #linuxMar 10 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I was just thinking how funny it would be if loads of people placed orders at moonpig for mugs with the Sony copy protection keys on themMar 10 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jospoortvliet @jwildeboer sure !gnome is free to ignore a request. !canonical is free to replace referral in banshee. Doesn't make i ...Mar 10 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @omgsuse On the tenth day, !openSUSE 11.4 changed everything http://goo.gl/fb/Bcu80Mar 10 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Install Sparkleshare In Ubuntu Via PPA (Open Source Cloud Sync - Dropbox Alternative) http://bit.ly/htSySxMar 10 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker - http://bit.ly/gnxbDP good to see that "banker" is now an insultMar 10 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !lo Where do people hang out on IRC? I've decided to get back into it, but I have no regualr haunts any moreMar 10 09:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Nouveau can' t handle videos well on my 23" plasma screen. Hope the proprietary Nvidia driver will be available soon on !kubuntu "Natty".Mar 10 09:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Make-Believe Billion - http://slate.me/gPegsB "How drug companies exaggerate research costs to justify absurd profits" comments are funMar 10 09:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Russian DNS netbook comes with !MeeGo !Linux http://ping.fm/zwxvFMar 10 09:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listening to the Joel I Have To Run Windows At Work Tech ShowMar 10 09:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I just called AT&T customer service and was greeted with "Hello, this is Buddy, how can I help you?" to which I replied "Hey Buddy!"Mar 10 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Best Practices for Authoring Interoperable #ODF Documents - http://bit.ly/eKhI1Q "user education must help with the rest of the way"Mar 10 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @fscons #FSCONS Video: Salve J. Nilsen: Kaizendo: Customizable schoolbooks http://ur1.ca/3ge1c #education #rwcultureMar 10 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Unity 3.6.4 has been released: http://goo.gl/veCb6Mar 10 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @samtuke ♻ @karsten: A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnr !fs !gnuMar 10 09:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] complete text of the US proposal for the #Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (#TPP) chapter - http://bit.ly/eKe5BU get it while it's hotMar 10 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @jamie_love USTR in #TPP: patents shall be available even if such invention does not result in the enhancement of the known efficacyMar 10 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @jamie_love USTR in TPP chpt: 95 year copyright minimum term for works for hire >>oh look, that copyright ratchet again...Mar 10 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The need and drive for open data in biomedical publishing - http://bit.ly/hrVELQ it's the future #opendata (v @wilbanks) #publishingMar 10 09:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Feeling for @th3k4ty and trying to motivate her to keep at it. Science and research is a very hard and frustrating job sometimes...Mar 10 09:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Nacion (Costa Rica): Intrepidez tica en Naciones Unidas impresionó a EE. UU. | http://is.gd/wVuaKH !wlMar 10 09:55
GoForbes28hi againMar 10 09:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Bounce bounce bouncycow. #minecraftMar 10 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Jornada (Mexico): En 2009, Pascual destapó la debilidad de AN y Calderón tras la elección intermedia | http://is.gd/j0sIWv !wlMar 10 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open Leadership webcast with Charlene Li | http://bit.ly/hGWs9q #transparency #innovation #altimeterMar 10 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] A note for Hotmail users http://lwn.net/Articles/432797/rssMar 10 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why does Gawker home page have *2* scroll bars and why does the scroll bar on the far right control the far left frame?Mar 10 10:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Espectador (Colombia): Sabas culpó a Restrepo de meterle 12.000 'paras' | http://is.gd/Z5AK6O !wlMar 10 10:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Pais (Uruguay): El creciente poder sindical, "bendecido" por Vázquez, preocupaba a Estados Unidos | http://is.gd/ocdMcz !wlMar 10 10:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bruce89 Shuttleworth is just annoyed that #GNOME doesn't share his vision of cloning OS XMar 10 10:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Comercio (Peru): Wikileaks evidencia detalles del proceso de Alberto Fujimori en Chile | http://is.gd/gmO35j !wlMar 10 10:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] »R @marjoleink: just about 1000 more dents, and we'll hit 66666666 :DMar 10 10:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Working with Frames and Objects in Scribus http://is.gd/OoYDEA #desktop #dtp #publishing #scribus #linux #gnu #free #softwareMar 10 10:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Post-PC Era Is Already Here http://is.gd/85ts99 #hardware #softwareMar 10 10:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gusteru: RT @yo9fah_ro: openSUSE 11.4 Officially Released, Screenshot Tour Inside: http://bit.ly/gESKRh #linux #gnuMar 10 10:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL.Mar 10 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Waxing Nostalgic About Old-School Linux http://is.gd/V9NcYm #gnu #linuxMar 10 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sqMar 10 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ahh..... Coffee!Mar 10 10:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL.Mar 10 10:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] SF Bay Area friends! @TEDxSFED "mashEDup: re-imagine education" will happen on April 9. Register by this Mon: http://ht.ly/49BQx #OERMar 10 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Does Compiz Still Slow Down Your System?: There have been a flurry of comments this week following my post why s... http://bit.ly/fCOkw2Mar 10 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] just deleted my Google Buzz Profile !Mar 10 10:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sqMar 10 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Has Microsoft dropped the ball with Windows Phone 7? http://is.gd/7oXxc3 #microsoft #windows #wp7 #mobile #samsungMar 10 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Thursday http://lwn.net/Articles/432776/rssMar 10 10:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @zach RT @rejon Die Java, die!Mar 10 10:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Pro Markt http://b1t.it/csZ #4sqMar 10 10:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Ground control to Major Tom... ♺ @zach: @evan I get the idea you hum Space Oddity whenever you're on a plane.Mar 10 11:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Frittebud http://b1t.it/cs5 #4sqMar 10 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity 3.6.4 source package is in #natty http://goo.gl/5xTF8Mar 10 11:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Unigine Does Terrain Tessellation, Confirms OS X Plans: While Unigine's pre-release orders for OilRush aren't go... http://bit.ly/iku21lMar 10 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] the source package of !unity 3.6.4 is waiting for dependencies: http://goo.gl/2QFwuMar 10 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Top 10 Worst Things About the #Republicans' Immoral #Budget http://ur1.ca/3g881Mar 10 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] 'In #God We Trust' suit rejected by #SupremeCourt http://ur1.ca/3g8ma Might as well be "In #Myth We Trust"Mar 10 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] EXI Extends Reach of XML to New Devices and Applications http://ow.ly/1bHNwSMar 10 11:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Three Web Apps Last Calls: Server-Sent Events, Progress Events, Web Workers http://ow.ly/1bHNwRMar 10 11:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Imagini inedite cu Eva Braun şi Hitler, date publicităţii http://is.gd/M7cx3u #hitlerMar 10 11:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Full Text of US proposal for #TPPA IP chapter leaked: https://eff.org/r.z98 Take action: https://eff.org/r.2z7Mar 10 11:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] IT departments 'flying blind' when it comes to mobile #security http://is.gd/XiAliBMar 10 11:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Israeli Court Enforces for the First Time a Creative Commons License http://is.gd/LxO3pA via @glynmoodyMar 10 11:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @TechJournalist: Newest #openSUSE #Linux Release Offers Rolling Releases - LinuxPlanet http://bit.ly/f9LMRA #gnuMar 10 11:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @JustMeAmber: Reminder today is #GNOME 3 test day - More information at http://is.gd/98k9VB #gnome #communityMar 10 11:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] My muscle memory has finally memorized the screen keyboard shortcuts \o/ #screenMar 10 11:44
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Daemonfcok jono, my mods have restored balance to the ForceMar 10 11:53
Daemonfcat least with regards to KubuntuMar 10 11:53
DaemonfcB-)Mar 10 11:53
DaemonfcUbuntu is now basically this big monolithic ball of crap that can't be modified, hence it is no longer "fun"Mar 10 11:54
DaemonfcI get that's what you guys call a "product"Mar 10 11:54
Daemonfcstay off my lawn!Mar 10 11:54
Daemonfc:)Mar 10 11:54
Daemonfcvanilla kernels and mesa pulled from git is my bag, babyMar 10 11:55
DaemonfcB-)Mar 10 11:55
Daemonfcthis looks juicy http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=7dcf019af2e76a4c6e0391c3c5e1d50966367df8Mar 10 11:56
*Daemonfc wonders when radeon will use itMar 10 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @eff Full Text of US proposal for #TPPA IP chapter leaked: https://eff.org/r.z98 Take action: https://eff.org/r.2z7Mar 10 11:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Pwn2Own 2011: IE8 on Windows 7 hijacked with 3 vulnerabilities http://is.gd/3kLjXY #microsoft #windows #ie #ie8 #securityMar 10 11:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @wired: Hackers steal $1.2 million in Microsoft Points. http://wrd.tw/ie9Esn (We suspect Mr. Microsoft-Pointfinger.)Mar 10 11:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @StirileProTV: Proiectul Uranus in standby. Hala #Matache din Capitala nu poate fi demolata http://fb.me/J3X1ScTr #bucuresti #roMar 10 11:57
DaemonfcMinceR: My conclusion of radeon is that it has a lot of rough edges but FGLRX does the wrong thing from start to finishMar 10 11:58
*Daemonfc thinks he will ride the radeon waveMar 10 11:58
Daemonfcone thing that really stands out is that if radeon manages to hang X, this isn't normally a kernel panic thrown in as a bonusMar 10 11:59
Daemonfcnot so with FGLRXMar 10 11:59
Daemonfcswitch to tty1, kill X, switch to tty7, startxMar 10 12:00
Daemonfcwhereas FGLRX leaves the user holding the power button until the system shuts off and the file system might not have allocated all outstanding writesMar 10 12:00
Daemonfc= not a good outlook for your dataMar 10 12:00
DaemonfcI did have to edit Ubuntu's init scripts to disable that stupid failsafe X, X respawn crapMar 10 12:01
DaemonfcZOMG, you're trying to kill X, let's start X back up only to crash again!Mar 10 12:02
Daemonfcthat's why all the cool kids know not to upgrade from PackageKit, it ignores DPKG asking you if you want to keep your existing settings or install the maintainer'sMar 10 12:03
Daemonfcit just bulldozes your settings without asking :)Mar 10 12:03
Daemonfcbefore you know it, you have that failsafe X stupidity againMar 10 12:04
Daemonfcjono: ZOMG, you're not running X, we'll TEACH you to love  X, X is mandatory, you can thank us later!Mar 10 12:04
DaemonfcB-)\Mar 10 12:05
MinceRwhat gpus/drivers does wayland currently run with anyway?Mar 10 12:05
Daemonfcthe proprietary ones all failMar 10 12:05
Daemonfcthe free ones all work to my knowledgeMar 10 12:05
DaemonfcI've tried Wayland with nouveau, radeon, rage128, intel, and tdfx (3dfx)Mar 10 12:06
Daemonfcall of them work, even 3dfx Voodoo 2 1000 heheMar 10 12:06
Daemonfccirca 1998Mar 10 12:06
MinceRicMar 10 12:07
Daemonfc3dfx supports accelerated compositingMar 10 12:07
Daemonfcthough you're limited to what you can doMar 10 12:07
Daemonfcall the basic compiz plugins workMar 10 12:07
DaemonfcExtreme Tux Racer worksMar 10 12:07
Daemonfcwhat else do you need? B-)Mar 10 12:08
MinceRnexuizMar 10 12:08
MinceRut2004Mar 10 12:08
MinceR:>Mar 10 12:08
Daemonfc3dfx supports OpenGL 1.1, and not fullyMar 10 12:08
Daemonfcyou can get away with most of that, some will fall back to llvmpipe and be rendered on the CPUMar 10 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] damn it, does this mean that I need to write a notification daemon?Mar 10 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] It's incredible that !fs advances w/ so many ppl wanting to do things their way & arguing among themselves. !q @houndMar 10 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @psquid #slowdenticaMar 10 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ccLearn: Free Technology Academy publishes course books CC BY-SA on #freesoftware #openstandards & #GNU #Linux http://is.gd/68dNzMar 10 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @fedorared: RT @ccLearn: Fantastic resource! Creative Commons: What every Educator needs to know by Rodd Lucier http://bit.ly/dMoVMar 10 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: I just confirmed my reservations for the 2011 Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit http://is.gd/vAi4sT Hope to see some of you...Mar 10 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #bzr is *so* stupid :|Mar 10 12:09
Daemonfcit will report OpenGL 1.3, but a lot of it is running on llvmpipe if it's past 1.1Mar 10 12:09
Daemonfcwhich as far as software rendering goes, llvmpipe is fantasticMar 10 12:10
Daemonfcyou're talking at least double the speed of Mesa's classic software renderingMar 10 12:10
Daemonfc3dfx is usable with Compiz and some basic 3d games, even to this dayMar 10 12:11
Daemonfcit supports KVM Mar 10 12:11
Daemonfctry running a 3dfx card on Windows XP, Vista, or 7 and tell me what you thinkMar 10 12:12
DaemonfcI think the beta driver for Windows 2000 works kind of on XP, but very buggyMar 10 12:12
Daemonfcno DirectX supportMar 10 12:12
Daemonfc3dfx leaked out a beta driver for Windows 2000 right before they went under, that's the only support you'll get on Windows NT, everMar 10 12:13
DaemonfcB-) enjoyMar 10 12:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Neil deGrasse Tyson - Communicating #Science http://ur1.ca/3gfxe #PointofInquiry #podcast #CenterForInquiry #secularMar 10 12:14
Daemonfcand on Windows, it won't do you much good, no DirectX, full of bugs, no OpenGL supportMar 10 12:14
Daemonfcif you can dig up some GLIDE apps it will accelerate themMar 10 12:14
DaemonfcMinceR: That DOOM 3 on Voodoo 2 1000 thing that surfaced a while back was actually not utilizing the card at allMar 10 12:15
DaemonfcWindows XP has software rendering of OpenGL 1.x and some of DirectXMar 10 12:16
Daemonfcso the card might have been present, but the CPU was doing everythingMar 10 12:16
Daemonfcpublicity stuntMar 10 12:16
Daemonfcjust like Windows 7 on the Pentium 2Mar 10 12:16
Daemonfczomg, it took 32 minutes to boot!Mar 10 12:17
Daemonfcthis is totally useful!Mar 10 12:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Copying over the #Minecraft map to the new server.Mar 10 12:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @jezra yes, yes it does.Mar 10 12:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] uo, un @jack6es por aqui! :D Todavia no estas en el grupo !eol ? ya tardas xDMar 10 12:17
cubexyzI've seen worseMar 10 12:17
cubexyz386SX16 with win95Mar 10 12:17
DaemonfcI've ran Windows 95 on a 486Mar 10 12:17
cubexyznot prettyMar 10 12:17
Daemonfcbut it was a DX4-100Mar 10 12:17
Daemonfcit runs well on thatMar 10 12:18
cubexyzwell sureMar 10 12:18
cubexyzit's rare I see anything older than p2 thoughMar 10 12:18
Daemonfcthe 486 SX line was crapMar 10 12:18
Daemonfcthe 487 was basically a fully functional 486 DX that disables the 486 SX and takes overMar 10 12:18
Daemonfcploy by Intel to sell you another CPU later onMar 10 12:19
cubexyzhard to avoid intel Mar 10 12:19
cubexyzand even harder to avoid x86Mar 10 12:19
abeNd-orgthat mathcoprocessor stuff?Mar 10 12:19
Daemonfcwell, you're thinking, just plug the 487 in, won't work, not pin compatible with the 486 slot, and it won't work by itself if the main slot is emptyMar 10 12:20
cubexyzwell I think 8086 was differentMar 10 12:20
DaemonfcIntel hasn't changed muchMar 10 12:20
Daemonfcyes, up until and including 387, the co-processor was actually a co-processorMar 10 12:20
Daemonfcthe 487 was notMar 10 12:21
cubexyzextinct now, unless you still have a working 486Mar 10 12:21
DaemonfcI doMar 10 12:21
Daemonfc:)Mar 10 12:21
abeNd-orgi havent seen a working 486 in yearsMar 10 12:22
cubexyzI have one myself... don't really use it much Mar 10 12:23
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DaemonfcI have a 386 laptopMar 10 12:23
DaemonfcDX 33Mar 10 12:23
cubexyzx86 is so boring thoughMar 10 12:23
DaemonfcI never went for the SX ones, don't save you much, perform so much worseMar 10 12:23
cubexyzI miss the 6502Mar 10 12:24
cubexyzthe weird thing is 486 boards on ebay are like $100 or moreMar 10 12:24
Daemonfcthe git patches to 2.6.38-rc8 are moving very slowlyMar 10 12:25
Daemonfcgit2 doesn't have anything I'm interested inMar 10 12:25
cubexyzso what OS are you running on the 486?Mar 10 12:25
abeNd-orgonly thing i would use 486s for is pull the cpu fan off & use it on my gpu in my current systemMar 10 12:26
DaemonfcMINIX 3Mar 10 12:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Marketing your Business- #Facebook vs. #LinkedIn http://is.gd/QDhAEeMar 10 12:27
Daemonfclooks like there will be a 2.6.38-rc9Mar 10 12:27
Daemonfcjust won't be anything too exciting in itMar 10 12:27
Daemonfcunless some patches show up for radeon, I probably won't even build itMar 10 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Probably the funniest comment ever on !GNOME Shell: "Don't you guys surf the net for porn!!!!???? C'monnnn." http://goo.gl/zDqplMar 10 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Armies of Expensive #Lawyers, Replaced by Cheaper #Software http://is.gd/dSRiUW #cataphoraMar 10 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RIAA not happy with Sen Zoe Lofgren, excellent piece as usual from #TechDirt http://tighturl.com/2zus #p2p #law #politicsMar 10 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Marked bugs with attached patch to add rpm support to #utouch -{evemu,frame,grail,geis} LP#732822 LP#732823 LP#732828 LP#732829Mar 10 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Is A Few Days Away http://is.gd/SO9cRc #gnu #linux #kernelMar 10 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @stav: It is a historical fact, that's all. Today is Osama bin Laden's 54th birthday.Mar 10 12:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] De ce sa-ti cumperi telefon cu Android si nu iPhone http://pulsene.ws/12FLu via @bogdanidMar 10 12:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I predict, by the end of 5 years, more people will be on Skype than on FacebookMar 10 12:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @lamm It's incredible that !fs advances w/ so many ppl wanting to do things their way & arguing among themselves. !q @houndMar 10 12:45
abeNd-orgfeh, in 5 yrs facebook will have a voip service that will have ended skypeMar 10 12:46
abeNd-orgthey are already starting to get into the netflix marketMar 10 12:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] (Michael) Moore to play Sarah Palin in TV production? http://tighturl.com/2zuv careful now, people may prefer the looks of the fake Palin ;PMar 10 12:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Tor 0.2.2.23-alpha is out: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-02223-alpha-outMar 10 12:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@WebsterGTarpley: #STALINGRAD of #Libya rebels at #RasLanouf, pt. of farthest advance, then retreat and defeat - says... #CorriereDellaSeraMar 10 12:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @mvalente "Why High-Speed Rail Isn’t That Great" http://goo.gl/3zuv1 Agradeço reenvio para tontos e afins.Mar 10 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK I'm trying this new Joli OS. Back laterMar 10 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Grim reading: Manning's abuse inside custody released by his Lawyer, David Coombs http://is.gd/FWKAEk !wlMar 10 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 144 dents!Mar 10 12:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ex #BP employee advise UK govt over energy? and the #Tories said they wanted "new politics"; BUSINESS as usual http://tighturl.com/2zv6Mar 10 13:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] methinks the whole "renewables" idea will be sent to gather dust as "oil" is pushed firmly into "must be protected and promoted" modeMar 10 13:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Norwegian open source-based problem-reporting website launched nationwide - http://bit.ly/gYBGGu #opensource #opengovMar 10 13:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] oil & #BP having absolutely no connection with each other on any level, even the name British PETROLEUM is coincidentalMar 10 13:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody EU: Time For a New Approach on #Copyright - http://bit.ly/f5uU0R ah, that naughty Neelie - teasing again...Mar 10 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RBS banker Fred Goodwin gets superinjuction to stop being called a wanker, erm....I mean banker http://tighturl.com/2zv7Mar 10 13:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Zoopla launches Property Archive of past UK house prices - http://bit.ly/gCXKaF interesting #property #opendataMar 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @p2pnet Firefox 4 RC 1 for Windows, Mac, Linux. Out of Beta http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49840Mar 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Do we actually need a #census? - http://bit.ly/hJl5Sc bit late to ask...but a reasonable article (v @jmcesteves)Mar 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity 3.6.4-0ubuntu1 package has been succesfully built for #natty http://goo.gl/5xTF8Mar 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Interrogator in #Assange case friend with woman accusing #Wikileaks founder - http://bit.ly/fXfcor never a dull moment (v ...Mar 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Testing the latest unity build...Mar 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @wikileaks wikileaks: John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry http://bit.ly/hJtrUfMar 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @wikileaks wikileaks: US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl http:/ ...Mar 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://alturl.com/e25vf !wlMar 10 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Michael Vogt: apt-btrfs-snapshot creates automatically filesystem snapshot when apt installs/removes/upgrades. http://goo.gl/VSTCP !uMar 10 13:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bradley #Manning's detailed complaint about his "improper treatment" - http://bit.ly/h10RZf tale of bloody-mindedness and bullying #tortureMar 10 13:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Dear Hollywood: It's Time To Realize Artificial Scarcity Is Gone... And That's A Good Thing - http://bit.ly/hAKeWr yup #abundanceMar 10 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Banks are soon going to refuse to let you spend your money, thanks to #Republicans http://ur1.ca/3ggrrMar 10 13:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republican Rep. King from NY wants to destroy Ham Radio http://ur1.ca/3ggskMar 10 13:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republicans try to attack Net Neutrality http://ur1.ca/3ggt6 Warning: HuffPoMar 10 13:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Virginity Restoration #Surgery http://ur1.ca/3gcll #Islam #misogyny #religion #sad #wrong #wtfMar 10 13:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mendeley Data IS OPEN! - http://bit.ly/eS3Ev6 @petermurrayrust gets his answer - the right one #opendataMar 10 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Swedish female cop who interrogated !WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is friends with one of his accusers http://www.thelocal.se/32506/Mar 10 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Shuttlecock admits to attacking GNOME on behalf of #Microsoft !Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/3ga0aMar 10 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Carl Sagan is the new Isaiah Mustafa http://ur1.ca/3g845 !scienceMar 10 13:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] If only launchpad.net was as fast as github *sigh*Mar 10 13:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Space shuttle launch: From the booster rockets' point of view http://ur1.ca/3ggvv !scienceMar 10 13:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] How Do People Respond to Being Touched by a Robot? http://ur1.ca/3ggw2 !scienceMar 10 13:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #RIAA Not Happy With Rep. Lofgren Calling Out ICE For Web #Censorship - http://bit.ly/hxRh5O classic @mmasnick analysis & debunkingMar 10 13:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] RT @stav Minor !stats milestone: Today we are 2/3 of the way to 100 million dents http://identi.ca/notice/66666666 Too bad mot an intere ...Mar 10 13:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@brokep All my facebook messages I ever wrote and deleted are back now with the new update. Thanks for keeping that data against my wishes!Mar 10 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] compiling PHP because they don't push their fixes upstream. sighMar 10 13:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] New #Facebook Feature Empowers the Dangerous "Comment Nazis" http://ur1.ca/3gh0c #freespeech #privacy #wtfMar 10 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetfedora: Adam Young: FreeIPA 2.0 RC3 http://bit.ly/enAZRJ #freeipa #software #free #ldapMar 10 14:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Just thank #USA imperialism: #Afghanistan lets #Blackwater stay despite shakeup of security contractors http://ur1.ca/3gh56Mar 10 14:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Server seems awesome so far. I thank @mymcserv. :DMar 10 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] HP: The Linux Desktop Company (ZDNet) http://lwn.net/Articles/432871/rssMar 10 14:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @mozillazinefr La Release Candidate de Firefox 4 disponible le 9 mars via @zdnetfr http://zdnet.fr/39758722Mar 10 14:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm now using Joli OS. It was very easy to install and very easy to use, but some things I'm used to are missing, nothing important yet thoMar 10 14:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It's not immediately clear to me how I change the resolution either, yetMar 10 14:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek & Poke Phone Etiquette http://goo.gl/OfkznMar 10 14:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Thunderbird getting some !Unity love http://goo.gl/TaE91Mar 10 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Unity 3.6.4 Brings Resizable Launcher, ALT + F2 Run Dialog, More http://goo.gl/BMwQd !ubuntu #nattyMar 10 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] !listening to Muse - StarlightMar 10 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] There's no identica app in @Jolicloud and @chromedeck is missing even though it's chrome app. This is bit counter-intuitiveMar 10 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @agentdero The preparation I did on @omgsuse and the !openSUSE 11.4 launch gave me a new perspective on how friendly and cooperative ...Mar 10 14:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Jolicloud appears to support Adobe AIR, so it looks like I can install the @desktopdeck but not @chromedeck. I must be missing somethingMar 10 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: I mostly agree with this column! RT @mrchan : will bypass usual channels & point out column http://tgam.ca/wBnMar 10 14:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh man, identica is messed up ATM....Mar 10 14:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK, I'm off to bed. I need sleep.... OoMar 10 14:47
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DaemonfcNow I know these numbers are cookedMar 10 14:54
Daemonfchttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=compiz_2011_hits&num=2Mar 10 14:54
DaemonfcNvidia's proprietary driver is so full of hacks that you get to choose between a 5% performance penalty to force it to sync with AIGLXMar 10 14:54
Daemonfcor having artifacts and random crap draw to the screenMar 10 14:55
DaemonfcCompiz developers some time ago recommended ditching nvidia for nouveau Mar 10 14:55
Daemonfcproprietary drivers are fast, until they get around to panicking the kernel, freezing X, drawing weird shit to the screen, make your Wine apps malfunction in bizarre ways and breaking into jono's apartment to steal his lunch, use the toilet, and not flushMar 10 14:57
jonololMar 10 14:58
Daemonfcpoor jono, I'd hate to be jono when he has to piss all over the proverbial corn flakes of all the Ubuntu ricers that won't be able to use WaylandMar 10 14:59
Daemonfcjono: I'm curious, perhaps you can enlighten me a bit Mar 10 15:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @jonobacon Congrats to the OpenSuSE team for their release of OpenSuSE 11.4 - http://is.gd/rvLu6C :-) #opensuseMar 10 15:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Wayland For The Ubuntu Unity Desktop Redux: While there have been some battles waged recently between Canonical ... http://bit.ly/gWT7gIMar 10 15:00
DaemonfcGiven that I presume it sucks having to depend on Red Hat and Novell to make Ubuntu function, what is your diabolical master plan for when October gets here?Mar 10 15:00
Daemonfcare you going to dump proprietary driver users to X and say good luck with that?Mar 10 15:01
Daemonfcproprietary drivers = third world Ubuntu experience since they can't use WaylandMar 10 15:01
DaemonfcI figure that was the real goal in using Compiz in UnityMar 10 15:01
Daemonfcmutter does not play nice with crap driversMar 10 15:02
Daemonfcwhereas Compiz is full of hacks and work aroundsMar 10 15:02
Daemonfchiding the problems in the users system is not a solution, it's a bandage Mar 10 15:03
Daemonfceventually the hacks cause their own problemsMar 10 15:03
MinceRi thought the diabolical master plan involved monoMar 10 15:03
Daemonfcyou should really get the users thinking about what else may be wrong with the binary driversMar 10 15:03
Daemonfctell them to direct their anger at Nvidia Mar 10 15:03
Daemonfcwhen I was using nvidia I found it doing all kinds of not nice things to my systemMar 10 15:04
Daemonfcit almost makes FGLRX look like the virgin birthMar 10 15:04
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DaemonfcATI still overwrites libGL but they undo the damage when you uninstall the driverMar 10 15:05
DaemonfcNvidia not only doesn't fix their mess when they leave, they take a wrecking ball to your X.org/Mesa Mar 10 15:06
Daemonfcbasically they sabotage your system so that removing their driver means you can't use a competing one laterMar 10 15:06
Daemonfcnot without fixing a lot of files they overwroteMar 10 15:07
DaemonfcI don't like software that barges in and decides that they own my system nowMar 10 15:07
MinceRis there some script or whatever that turns an arbitrary nvidia binary driver installer into a well-behaved package?Mar 10 15:08
MinceR.deb or whateverMar 10 15:08
Daemonfcyes, Ubuntu makes it behave if you use their debMar 10 15:08
Daemonfcjudicious use of symlinkingMar 10 15:08
Daemonfcsame thing with Debian, OpenSuse, and RPM Fusion (Fedora)Mar 10 15:09
Daemonfcyou need to find a package that's made for your distro that doesn't let it get away with taking a shit all over your systemMar 10 15:09
Daemonfcthis makes custom kernels a real choreMar 10 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Tomorrow is World Day Against Cyber Censorship http://march12.rsf.org/en/ http://bit.ly/fmcA9pMar 10 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://twitter.com/PJCrowley/st... http://bit.ly/hGM2FyMar 10 15:10
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DaemonfcI still think that anyone who enabled the proprietary nvidia driver is basically throwing caution to the wind and don't care that it's opening up security problems and stability issuesMar 10 15:11
MinceRor they don't knowMar 10 15:11
MinceRor they think it's worth the performanceMar 10 15:12
Daemonfcthere's one documented case of Nvidia sitting on a Critical security problem, that they knew aboutMar 10 15:12
Daemonfcfor two yearsMar 10 15:12
MinceRafter paying for the gpu...Mar 10 15:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm worried I'm sickening for something. I never feel tired this early normally, but I do tonight :)Mar 10 15:12
oiaohmMS record is 10 years.   DaemonfcMar 10 15:12
oiaohm+Mar 10 15:12
oiaohmYes for a known secuirty flaw left open.Mar 10 15:12
Daemonfcyeah, the bug in the 16 bit NTVDM That Google went nuts overMar 10 15:12
oiaohmNo noMar 10 15:13
Daemonfcthose files don't exist in the 64-bit WindowsMar 10 15:13
oiaohmI was refering the the IE 6 bug where you could take complete control of the computer remotelyMar 10 15:13
oiaohmRight down at kernel level.Mar 10 15:13
MinceRand what about the autostart hole? :>Mar 10 15:14
oiaohmThat was in there since the first version IE6Mar 10 15:14
oiaohmto be correct first version of IEMar 10 15:14
DaemonfcMinceR: I've always disabled autorunMar 10 15:14
MinceRiirc they "fixed" it but even that's a halfassed "fix"Mar 10 15:14
Daemonfcit's been abused for years, even by Sony to install malwareMar 10 15:14
MinceRonly for usb mass storage or something like thatMar 10 15:14
oiaohmBasically atleast Nvidia bugs are not network reaching.Mar 10 15:15
MinceRthat hole is like 15 years old or what?Mar 10 15:15
oiaohmAlso the ping of control bug in windows.Mar 10 15:15
oiaohmVaration on ping of death.Mar 10 15:15
oiaohmReason why MS machines will not answer a ping unless you are in the same network as them.Mar 10 15:16
oiaohmBasically MS list of 10 year old take control over network are long and many.Mar 10 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Dear !lazywebs, does anyone have a suggestion of a cheap USB #Skype / #VoIP pone that works natively in #Linux?Mar 10 15:19
MinceRgnMar 10 15:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ffii/@ffii] Happy 10th anniversary! @fsfe http://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20110310-01.en.htmlMar 10 15:20
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utsuwao/Mar 10 15:31
utsuwawhats up with the website?Mar 10 15:31
utsuwano news for severla days. schestowitz on vacation?Mar 10 15:32
cubexyzyesMar 10 15:32
utsuwaseveral*Mar 10 15:32
utsuwareally?Mar 10 15:32
cubexyzyes :)Mar 10 15:32
utsuwadid he make some kind of announcement that I missed?Mar 10 15:32
cubexyzmaybe in the logs... I didn't see anyMar 10 15:33
utsuwai cMar 10 15:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] OpenSUSE 11.4: SUSE Linux Revitalized http://is.gd/k0dVcI #gnu #linux #opensuseMar 10 15:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @nandaweiden: “Why you need #document #freedom | opensource.com” — http://ur1.ca/3gi3o #odf #office #msofficeMar 10 15:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @ggreenwald: Amnesty calls for protests against Obama administration over Bradley #Manning's treatment: http://is.gd/IGP681 !wikileaksMar 10 15:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Quick Look: openSUSE 11.4 http://is.gd/mKemrq #gnu #linux #microsoft #windowsMar 10 15:37
oiaohmcubexyz: Not vaction moving houseMar 10 15:37
cubexyzah okMar 10 15:38
oiaohmOk kinda a vacation just with a lot of heavy lifting.Mar 10 15:38
DaemonfcOpenLawSuit 11.4 is outMar 10 15:38
DaemonfcjoyMar 10 15:38
cubexyza not so fun vacationMar 10 15:38
oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Google-s-security-tool-infected-with-trojan-1205886.html  << It is fun watching this.Mar 10 15:39
DaemonfcI notice OpenSuse always seems to plan their key components around what the nonfree drivers supportMar 10 15:39
oiaohmIn 12 months time we should be able to really question MS we are infected due to market share.   ie Android can resist the viruses why cannot windows.Mar 10 15:39
cubexyzjust not well designedMar 10 15:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @meegoexperts #Nokia #N900 gets more Community love update CSSU – #Maemo http://mge.bz/5YMar 10 15:40
cubexyzeasy to use == easy to infectMar 10 15:41
cubexyzexample: plan 9 is hard to use, and never gets infectedMar 10 15:41
cubexyzplus barely anyone knows how to even use it :)Mar 10 15:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @JPBarlow: World Day Against Cyber-Censorship - 12 March 2011 http://bit.ly/ff2h7T v @Lucatoledo !wikileaks !autonomousMar 10 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] that bastion of all things freedom related #SaudiArabia have their Police firing on protesters http://tighturl.com/2zvhMar 10 15:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @wikileaks: Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://bit.ly/g22GV8 !wikileaksMar 10 15:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Why you NEED document freedom http://is.gd/qn2w1W #dfd #dfd2011 #odfMar 10 15:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] De ce îți TREBUIE libertatea documentelor http://is.gd/qn2w1W #dfd #dfd2011 #romania #office #msoffice #software #politics @mcsiromaniaMar 10 15:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: The Sony PS3 Class File An Amended Complaint - http://bit.ly/euhWoA #sony #ps3 #linux #dmca #legalMar 10 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Moderating the "open source business workshop" this morning. Should be fun. http://www.scs.org.sg/event_detail.php?vieweventdetail=340 #fbMar 10 15:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "Mr Speaker, I can't listen to what was just said, so I'm going to wade through this punchline I wrote two days ago as a sound bite reply"Mar 10 16:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: @gomerx @beefymiracle I hope you win. Fedora needs more meat product oriented features.Mar 10 16:12
Daemonfcdownloading a Xubuntu daily CD for that laptop I'm going to give to my brotherMar 10 16:12
DaemonfcI wouldn't expect Ubuntu or Kubuntu to work wellMar 10 16:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] for many #Labour are still the #IllegalWar party, no amount of "we've moved on" will change that, sending Blair to the Hague is a good startMar 10 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "we moved on" doesn't even begin to cut it to make up for the lies, and lives cost both to coalition forces and IraqisMar 10 16:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @simonm223: Voting is not a democratic right. It is a democratic duty! #cdnpoliMar 10 16:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: It is not harm to legalize private activities people were doing anyway. #c32 builds respect for ©Mar 10 16:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: @copyrightcanada References? Are you talking about real tech, or an episode of StarTrek? #C32Mar 10 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter slight correction "led by special interests" "staffed by politicians", although the ability to inflict misery is the sameMar 10 16:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms 449 tser : If I word it right, he'll kill me. http://bit.ly/et9Hl5 #amwriting #Chevenga #weblitMar 10 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: Have not received LJ comment notification in a week. Average 80+ comments per entry. Dear LJ: Fuck you with a chainsaw.Mar 10 16:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: ...I seem to have offended LJ so much with that last Tweet that it is now giving me a comment view from 1995. #wtfMar 10 16:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: Dear LJ: Stop hosting spammers and get yourself un-blacklisted, or you're going to bed with NO DESSERT.Mar 10 16:29
Daemonfcthose spam block services are really arbitraryMar 10 16:29
Daemonfcthey get one guy with a DSL line pumping out spam, so they block all of the million customers his ISP has in that stateMar 10 16:30
Daemonfcdon't call the ISP and complain, don't file a lawsuit with a discovery motionMar 10 16:30
Daemonfclets just block 999,999 innocent people over one peckerheadMar 10 16:30
Daemonfc:)Mar 10 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Here! Here! RT @davidakin Min State Gary Lunn on #Chara hit: We'd like to see #NHL take action to prevent this injury.Mar 10 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Good news, everyone! I didn't add too much sriracha to my ramen. But I did squirt it all over my side of the room #failMar 10 16:30
DaemonfcI had to get ahold of GMX and complain because their anti-spam service that they subscribe to was blocking me from sending any emailMar 10 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Well, if you delight in being fastidious & correct it is...RT @gregobr @TonyClement_MP Isn't it "Hear, hear"?Mar 10 16:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: Bradley Mannings disgraceful treatment in his own words - his lawyer releases details. http://bit.ly/fkwyeNMar 10 16:32
Daemonfcthe proper way to deal with a spammer is through the court system, not just blocking ISPs randomlyMar 10 16:32
DaemonfcHerpa derp, we blocked the whole internet, you won't get any spam now!Mar 10 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: RT @CanadiensMTL Letter from Geoff Molson to Canadiens fans. Read: http://goha.bs/eNv18hMar 10 16:34
Daemonfcinstead of using free stuff like Bogofilter, they subscribe to this junk (or make their own, like Hotmail)Mar 10 16:34
Daemonfcand it starts sorting your messages wrongMar 10 16:34
Daemonfcyes, thanks guys, every Viagra spammer gets to my inbox but a letter from my dad is junkMar 10 16:35
DaemonfcterrificMar 10 16:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Min. of State (Americas) Peter Kent lobbied by Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/gQ5vE7Mar 10 16:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @howardknopf: CSI: Bill C-32 will cost Songwriters $35 Million a Year - Question - how much gets to CDN artists? http://mwne.ws/eCCx0CMar 10 16:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] The decent, innocent couple from the One Show (ACS:Law ep) have commented on OpenBytes.Very brave people for standing up and fighting back.Mar 10 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] For those that have been following the ACS:Law story, link here: http://tinyurl.com/6yu57vsMar 10 16:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] industry double standards? I don't believe it http://tighturl.com/2zvj they say it's not, who are we to question them?Mar 10 16:47
oiaohmhttp://saveandquitgaming.com/2011/03/microsoft-lose-1-2-million-due-to-code-exploit/Mar 10 16:48
oiaohmReally MS will hid the real figure here.Mar 10 16:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] gonna have to find a suitable place to put the "authors against DRM" logo #thinkingcap http://tighturl.com/2zvlMar 10 16:49
Daemonfcthat the $1.2 Million dollars was just in Monopoly Money?Mar 10 16:51
Daemonfc:)Mar 10 16:51
Daemonfcand that they'll be OKMar 10 16:51
Daemonfchow do you lose money when people are using sequences of numbers and letter to claim 1's and 0's?Mar 10 16:52
Daemonfcthat just makes no sense, maybe the RIAA can explain it better than I couldMar 10 16:53
Daemonfc:DMar 10 16:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @quaid: New blog post: Pondering why KDE, GNOME, ASF et al get so many GSoC projects http://bit.ly/fKdZrfMar 10 16:54
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DaemonFCBethesda stock plummets, h4x0rs find ways to download free horse armorMar 10 16:55
DaemonFCthe horror, the HORROR!Mar 10 16:55
DaemonFC:)Mar 10 16:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: The bit you miss is MS online store on xbox 360 has no clause that they don't have to pay the software makers for fraud purchases.Mar 10 16:56
DaemonFCmaybe it will nowMar 10 16:56
oiaohmSo the question is how much was spent.Mar 10 16:56
DaemonFClet other people hold the bag for MS fuckupsMar 10 16:56
DaemonFCwouldn't be newMar 10 16:56
oiaohmBut at under a few million its not going to kill MS.Mar 10 16:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Gaddafi's son took oil from Libyan field http://alturl.com/3b82c !wlMar 10 16:57
DaemonFCjono used his MS Moolah to download DRM'd WMVs of Justin BieberMar 10 16:58
DaemonFCthat's OK, live and let liveMar 10 16:58
DaemonFChe knows people, pulls stringsMar 10 16:59
oiaohmProblem here DaemonFC MS needs the app providers.Mar 10 16:59
DaemonFCgets Windows 7 Ultimate, SweatyB signature editionMar 10 16:59
oiaohmWithout them they don't have a platform with xbox 360Mar 10 16:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Humanitarian free and open source software in the local community by @lhawthorn | http://bit.ly/hGiaDq #FOSS #collaborationMar 10 17:00
DaemonFCbored, might build a -next kernelMar 10 17:04
DaemonFCho humMar 10 17:04
DaemonFCI have my KConfig sufficiently pruned down that it shouldn't fail building for something I don't even needMar 10 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] any entry level CPU / grapghics cards problematic on #Linux these days?Mar 10 17:09
DaemonFCXFS has seen a major overhaul latelyMar 10 17:09
DaemonFCplus the latest Radeon code would be nice to haveMar 10 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange's "Big Picture" letter to Nicky Hager (NZ) from 2007 http://alturl.com/68ydg !wlMar 10 17:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Lista comunităților #Linux #dinromania, actualizată http://is.gd/z7OGb3 !slm !romanianfreesoftware !informaticalacastel #gnu #software #freeMar 10 17:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] apparently i3 is fine in 33 kernel and above, and shared chipset is also generally fineMar 10 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LibreOffice 3.3.2 Release Candidate 1 available http://is.gd/R8gk4l #lo #libreoffice #office #msoffice #ooo #microsoft #windowsMar 10 17:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks Sebut Presiden Yudhoyono Salah Gunakan Kekuasaan http://is.gd/x3tUoA !wlMar 10 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] bit-trip is awesomely addictive!Mar 10 17:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] We missed this hilarious, and true story, about Assange gate-crashing a US embassy cocktail party http://is.gd/KXHiXM !wlMar 10 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] realistically. I'm pretty settled into Mint and LMDE so as much as I "can" switch, actually switching is not all that likelyMar 10 17:49
DaemonFCNow this from that dumbassMar 10 18:02
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTE5OAMar 10 18:02
DaemonFCDeclare the Fusion open source driver deadMar 10 18:02
DaemonFCUpdate: Ubuntu just doesn't ship the firmwareMar 10 18:02
DaemonFCoopsMar 10 18:02
DaemonFCwhat a retardMar 10 18:02
DaemonFCthe Fusion E-350 has always worked on Fedora 14Mar 10 18:03
DaemonFCall he would have to do to see this was a deficiency in Ubuntu is boot a Fedora CDMar 10 18:03
DaemonFCor go grab the firmware himself and stick it in where Ubuntu's kernel would load itMar 10 18:03
DaemonFCshock jockeys will do or say anything to get attentionMar 10 18:04
DaemonFCthat way more people load more of his advertisingMar 10 18:04
DaemonFCif the E-350 isn't working in Ubuntu, go ask...jono why they decided to fuck over everyone with the deviceMar 10 18:05
DaemonFCthe device's driver is as stableMar 10 18:05
oiaohmI have firmware for a wireless card that refused to load under UbuntuMar 10 18:06
oiaohmAnd releated.Mar 10 18:06
oiaohmBut any non related distribution to Ubuntu works it perfectly.Mar 10 18:06
DaemonFCI build my own kernels, I don't trust Ubuntu's kernel any further than I could throw jonoMar 10 18:06
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 18:06
DaemonFCevery time I hit a kernel bug on an Ubuntu system, it turns out to be one of their broken patches that caused itMar 10 18:07
oiaohmFailure to work with upstream.Mar 10 18:07
oiaohmThe pain will just keep on increase.Mar 10 18:07
DaemonFCtheir kernel is already an 11 MB diff patch against mainlineMar 10 18:08
DaemonFCthat can't be goodMar 10 18:08
oiaohmIntersting that firefox lived threw the first day of pwn2own but IE did not.Mar 10 18:08
DaemonFCwhy is that interesting?Mar 10 18:08
DaemonFClow hanging fruitMar 10 18:08
oiaohmYes firefox is lacking a sandbox so in theory should be a softer target.Mar 10 18:08
DaemonFCit's not that Firefox is secureMar 10 18:08
DaemonFCit's that IE is less secureMar 10 18:08
oiaohmIt still proves that IE build teams are still incompetent.Mar 10 18:09
DaemonFCwhat makes me laugh is how Crapple always rushes out a bazillion security patches ahead of Pwn2Own and they always get taken down first anywayMar 10 18:09
DaemonFCthe lack of security in OS X is mind bogglingMar 10 18:09
DaemonFCit gets taken down faster than WindowsMar 10 18:10
oiaohmNo.   The extra money on the table helps.Mar 10 18:10
oiaohmFunny enough chrome did not even get tested the first day.  DaemonFCMar 10 18:10
DaemonFCwhy bother?Mar 10 18:10
oiaohmThe person who was planing on attacking did not even turn up.Mar 10 18:10
DaemonFCnice juicy targets right over there (IE, Firefox, Safai)Mar 10 18:11
DaemonFC*SafariMar 10 18:11
oiaohmReally I don't know why you would both going to pwn2own in the first place.Mar 10 18:11
DaemonFCwhy go after the only browser with a real security model?Mar 10 18:11
oiaohmThe number of bugs you need to win you most like make more momey with firefox and chrome report them straight up.Mar 10 18:11
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oiaohmthen be albe to by a device as new never touched by anyone else who is majorally evil.Mar 10 18:12
DaemonFCyeah, Google and Firefox have some tempting bug bountiesMar 10 18:12
DaemonFCI like Chromium for a secure browser at this pointMar 10 18:12
GoForbes28What do you think Glyn and Thistle would say if I suggest that I host TechBytes this week?Mar 10 18:12
GoForbes28I think thoughts towards questionable sanity?Mar 10 18:12
DaemonFCI don't know why I go to lengths to keep AppArmor workingMar 10 18:13
DaemonFCit usually just stops me from doing something I need to doMar 10 18:13
GoForbes28I would use SRWare Iron, just for peace of mindMar 10 18:13
oiaohmDaemonFC: Really I want Firefox vs ChromeMar 10 18:13
oiaohmA single browser at the top allows them to get lazy.Mar 10 18:14
DaemonFCGoForbes28: Chromium doesn't have the Google crapware or the scary Google EULAMar 10 18:14
DaemonFCI always tell people use ChromiumMar 10 18:14
GoForbes28Yeah, and SRWare has all possible spying features turned off, and built in adblock and user agent switch to bootMar 10 18:15
DaemonFCthe PPA versions of Chromium and the one provided by Tom Callaway for Fedora are compiled with the same optimization options and security settings Google uses for ChromeMar 10 18:15
GoForbes28Doesn't chromium still have freedom licencing issues?Mar 10 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rsandu: LibreOffice 3.3.2 Release Candidate 1 available http://is.gd/R8gk4l #lo #libreoffice #office #msoffice #ooo #microsoft #windowsMar 10 18:15
DaemonFCChromium is better because you don't agree that Google can sell you down the river just for starting the applicationMar 10 18:15
DaemonFCno, it's mostly BSD-style licensesMar 10 18:16
DaemonFCit's free softwareMar 10 18:16
GoForbes28so is SRWare Iron, which goes a few steps furtherMar 10 18:16
DaemonFCGoogle's EULA at one point was fairly vague about what information they could collect and what they could do with itMar 10 18:16
GoForbes28http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#chromium-browserMar 10 18:17
GoForbes28"Description: Freed version of googles Chrome Web browser Mar 10 18:17
GoForbes28Homepage: http://www.chromium.org/Home Mar 10 18:17
GoForbes28Problem: (1) Copyright or license of some code is unclearMar 10 18:17
GoForbes28(2) Links to proprietary plugins. Mar 10 18:17
GoForbes28Recommended Fix: Remove the package Mar 10 18:17
GoForbes28References: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291 Mar 10 18:17
GoForbes28Copyright file: http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/LICENSE?revision=HEAD&view=markup Mar 10 18:17
GoForbes28(Source) package name(s): chromium-browser"Mar 10 18:17
DaemonFCit was worded o poorly that for example, if I typed up a blog post and hit submit, it belonged to GoogleMar 10 18:17
DaemonFCanything you posted anywhere, the copyright was assigned to Google because you used ChromeMar 10 18:17
DaemonFCthey fixed that though after users complained enoughMar 10 18:17
DaemonFClinking to nonfree software does not make the software nonfreeMar 10 18:18
GoForbes28It doesn't look like  all the issues I posted were resolvedMar 10 18:18
DaemonFCthe FSF has used that as a flimsy excuse to not recommend GoogleMar 10 18:18
DaemonFCerrr DebianMar 10 18:19
DaemonFC*tiredMar 10 18:19
DaemonFCDebian doesn't advertise the nonfree repos, they are not enabled by default, and they explicitly do not support themMar 10 18:19
DaemonFCthey're there for users who need some nonfree software and go slightly out of their way to get itMar 10 18:19
DaemonFCit doesn't make Debian less freeMar 10 18:20
DaemonFCUbuntu, on the other hand..... advertises itMar 10 18:20
DaemonFCsuggests the user get itMar 10 18:20
DaemonFCand says they support it, even though they obviously can'tMar 10 18:20
DaemonFCyou tell me which one of those is free or notMar 10 18:20
GoForbes28RMS has said himself that he appreciates what Google does for the Free software communityMar 10 18:20
GoForbes28He just doesn't throw caution to the wind, and neither do I.Mar 10 18:21
GoForbes28Besides, we're not talking about Debian here, we're talking about ChromiumMar 10 18:21
GoForbes28and I believe Chromium does recommend proprietary pluginsMar 10 18:21
GoForbes28Similar to what Firefox doesMar 10 18:21
DaemonFClinking to nonfree software doesn't make you nonfreeMar 10 18:22
DaemonFChe uses this in his anti-BSD harassmentMar 10 18:22
DaemonFCrepeatedlyMar 10 18:22
GoForbes28But it hinders having a totally Free systemMar 10 18:22
DaemonFCOpenBSD is more free than GnewSenseMar 10 18:22
DaemonFCbut the FSF considers it nonfreeMar 10 18:22
GoForbes28Well, it does have proprietary blobs, soMar 10 18:23
DaemonFCOpenBSD audits their licenses more carefully than Gnewsense doesMar 10 18:23
GoForbes28Depends on how you define FreeMar 10 18:23
DaemonFCGnewsense has ended up having nonfree software in their repo numerous timesMar 10 18:23
DaemonFCincluding afioMar 10 18:23
DaemonFCalmost every time you find out a piece of "free" software actually isn't, it's almost always in the "100% totally free" Linux distrosMar 10 18:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 if I'm working it out, this is a chat thing?Mar 10 18:24
GoForbes28They also have less people tooMar 10 18:24
GoForbes28Trisquel seems to do betterMar 10 18:24
GoForbes28As I was sayingMar 10 18:24
DaemonFCI think it's ridiculous to say 100% totally freeMar 10 18:24
GoForbes28yes, giving you the freedom to do whatever you want is freedomMar 10 18:24
DaemonFCthere is no system that's 100% totally free that a human would want to useMar 10 18:25
GoForbes28but I also think it is important to maintain the freedom for othersMar 10 18:25
DaemonFCGnewsense wouldn't work for me because almost every piece of non-trivial hardware needs firmware to function, and that firmware is usually redistributable, but not freeMar 10 18:25
GoForbes28Trisquel works just fine for meMar 10 18:26
GoForbes28I bought a laptop without a need for firmwareMar 10 18:26
GoForbes28I researched and chose carefullyMar 10 18:26
oiaohmGoForbes28: there is still firmwareMar 10 18:26
GoForbes28and besides, Gnewsense is a lost cause anywayMar 10 18:26
GoForbes28Yeah, but it isn't propreitaryMar 10 18:26
oiaohmDifference between firmware loaded by OS and firmware in a rom chip somewhere.  GoForbes28Mar 10 18:26
GoForbes28at least on the software sideMar 10 18:26
GoForbes28well, there isMar 10 18:27
GoForbes28That I can't controlMar 10 18:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we have an IRC channel which will be announced when the site is, maybe something for the future, not sure about nowMar 10 18:27
oiaohmBasically no matter what a computer will contain some closed source unless you are the maker.Mar 10 18:27
oiaohmOf everything in it.Mar 10 18:27
oiaohmIn one way loadable fireware is better.  GoForbes28Mar 10 18:28
oiaohmsimple to update in case of secuirty issues and a better possiblity to clone.Mar 10 18:28
GoForbes28Loadable firmware?Mar 10 18:28
GoForbes28Yes, I know the BIOS isn't freeMar 10 18:28
GoForbes28I know I would have to get a Lemote Yeelong or a OLPCMar 10 18:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 have you used psi for a project yourself? I have something else currently in embryonic stage which may have a use for itMar 10 18:29
oiaohmBIOS core some board can be got with corebiosMar 10 18:30
oiaohmIts normally other things like firewire ports and other times you don't have the firmware to and cannot replace in a lot of cases.Mar 10 18:31
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GoForbes28I don't have firewire, therefore it isn't a problemMar 10 18:31
GoForbes28USB works fine for meMar 10 18:31
oiaohmNice when you had the firewire bug in a mahcine where you could plug in a special firewire device and override the OS secuirty.Mar 10 18:32
GoForbes28Well, good thing I don't use itMar 10 18:32
oiaohmthere have been other cases of hardware devices with issues like that.Mar 10 18:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] misleading adverts, astroturfing, all standard tools of the trade these days sadly :( http://tighturl.com/2zvqMar 10 18:32
GoForbes28Oh wait, we can't call it firewire less we violate Apple's intellectual inventoryMar 10 18:32
oiaohmNot a direct driver fault but a firewareMar 10 18:32
GoForbes28IE 1394Mar 10 18:32
oiaohmfirmwareMar 10 18:33
GoForbes28*IEEE 1394Mar 10 18:33
oiaohmThere have been a few network cards as well break the firmware write where you like in OS memory.Mar 10 18:33
oiaohmIE os netural complete secuirty shot.Mar 10 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 yes, I'm building it, we have a matching irc channel too, both will be launched / announced together for people to join usMar 10 18:34
GoForbes28The software that comes with Samsung monitors has been known to overwrite firmware pertaining to Laptop internal monitors, rendering them non-functionalMar 10 18:34
GoForbes28nice eh?Mar 10 18:34
oiaohmThat is where loadable firmware designs as so so good.Mar 10 18:35
oiaohmIe one static firmware that starts the deviceMar 10 18:35
GoForbes28I actually installed said software once, it caused flickering and other odd events, uninstalled it, and the problems went awayMar 10 18:35
oiaohmthen you load the correction each boot.Mar 10 18:35
GoForbes28So I guess I was one of the lucky onesMar 10 18:35
GoForbes28BTW, you happen to see my dent on the stupid Windows 8 leaks?Mar 10 18:35
oiaohmSo if you screw it up.Mar 10 18:35
oiaohmClear the OS you are fine.Mar 10 18:35
GoForbes28Those were the daysMar 10 18:36
oiaohmI have not seen what has happened to your dent on Windows 8 leaksMar 10 18:36
GoForbes28nothing has happened to it?Mar 10 18:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 all 3 of us are busy with different things recently too, so time together to work out and plan has been sparseMar 10 18:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] not quite sure #Apple want associated with this image http://tighturl.com/2zvr not exactly the fit, trendy, go-getter lifestyle they sellMar 10 18:37
oiaohmI have not even been near Windows 8 leaksMar 10 18:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 lol your more than welcome to come on the show if you likeMar 10 18:39
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GoForbes28LetMar 10 18:40
GoForbes28s find that dent.Mar 10 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I can imagine #Apple lawyers sending out a C&D on the term, demanding it be called something elseMar 10 18:40
Ender2070im grabbing opensuse 11.4 kdeMar 10 18:41
oiaohmMost of the Windows 8 leaks will be PR attempts to get people dancy and willing to buyMar 10 18:41
Ender2070im curious how it compares against fedoraMar 10 18:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we have been very erratic in recording times, I've missed a couple of eps due to an off the cuff "lets record" & I'm not in IRCMar 10 18:42
GoForbes28ah there we areMar 10 18:42
GoForbes28"goforbes28 Mar 10 18:43
GoForbes28Look at these drastic Win8 enhancements![/sarcasm] (http://tinyurl.com/69zeq65) A folder-UP button. Wow! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqzmtz) Mar 10 18:43
GoForbes28about a day ago  from web at Ontario, Canada"Mar 10 18:43
GoForbes28Ender2070: Please don't insult Fedora like that. ;)Mar 10 18:43
DaemonFCby enhacements you mean mock upsMar 10 18:43
GoForbes28yeahMar 10 18:43
GoForbes28hence the sarcasmMar 10 18:43
oiaohmGoForbes28: Really I wish distribution would start supporting ksplice out box.Mar 10 18:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we do currently record in a skype conference, when we get more time to explore we'll try to switch to something freeMar 10 18:44
oiaohmSo restart not required.Mar 10 18:44
GoForbes28if anybody believes they are enhancements, there is a bad case of delusion going aboutMar 10 18:44
oiaohmGoForbes28: Is a sign of MS deperation.Mar 10 18:44
GoForbes28Ksplice?Mar 10 18:44
oiaohmTrying to work out how to make Windows 8 sell.Mar 10 18:44
GoForbes28Pouring salt on the wounds...Mar 10 18:45
GoForbes28http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss128/technoarea/ClassicShell.png&imgrefurl=http://technoarea.co.cc/customize-windows-vistas-7s-windows-explorer-using-classic-shell/&usg=__6fIqcWc5RTyZcInsi6M9RDDTD4s=&h=647&w=715&sz=86&hl=en&start=2&sig2=E-qFk8OtrfBKKeLpqDVtTw&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=hLiieoruUHT9WM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dclassic%2Bshell%2Bup%2Bbutton%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26gbv%3D2%26tbMar 10 18:45
GoForbes28=qIx5Tfe9JMOtqgGYwtWhBwMar 10 18:45
GoForbes28urgh, try againMar 10 18:45
GoForbes28http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss128/technoarea/ClassicShell.pngMar 10 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we also don't edit, the whole thing goes out uncutMar 10 18:45
Ender2070[21:43] <GoForbes28> Ender2070: Please don't insult Fedora like that. ;)Mar 10 18:45
oiaohmhttp://www.ksplice.com/whyMar 10 18:45
Ender2070competition is goodMar 10 18:46
oiaohmKspice is infact a open source solution GoForbes28Mar 10 18:46
oiaohmThat allows you to patch Linux kernel in place.Mar 10 18:46
oiaohmSo yes if every feature Linux had on offer was being used by distrobutions there is no reason for a Linux to ever need a reboot.Mar 10 18:46
GoForbes28coolMar 10 18:47
GoForbes28Now that's innovationMar 10 18:47
GoForbes28Ender2070: Yes, but Microsoft isn't competitionMar 10 18:47
oiaohmGoForbes28: Its only 8 years old.Mar 10 18:47
GoForbes28Ubuntu is competitionMar 10 18:47
oiaohmGoForbes28: Its not new.Mar 10 18:47
GoForbes28Debian is competitionMar 10 18:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 I'll fire it onto mint for a quick chat, so we can test itMar 10 18:47
oiaohmGoForbes28: and unix's were doing like ksplice in the 1980~Mar 10 18:48
oiaohmBasically if MS would basically just catch up a lot of people would be thinking new features.Mar 10 18:49
oiaohmOf course Linux servers are also aiming to get boot times down in to the seconds.Mar 10 18:50
GoForbes28Or if MS went bust, which is preferable since they demonstrate no evidence of evolutionMar 10 18:50
Ender2070[21:47] <GoForbes28> Ender2070: Yes, but Microsoft isn't competitionMar 10 18:50
Ender2070opensuse isn't microsoftMar 10 18:50
oiaohmopensuse and Novell do dispute.Mar 10 18:50
oiaohmA lot.Mar 10 18:50
oiaohmThere are a lot of things done differently in opensuse compared to suseMar 10 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just fixed the tags and stacked a lotta #Radiohead onto my mp3 playerMar 10 18:50
Ender2070yupMar 10 18:50
oiaohmGoForbes28: basically don't mix opensuse up with suse they have different management.Mar 10 18:51
GoForbes28They should just fork FFS before they are too late, like OpenSolarisMar 10 18:51
DaemonFCOpenSuse KDE isn't half badMar 10 18:51
GoForbes28oiaohm: I don't think I ever mixed them upMar 10 18:51
oiaohmSolaris still have a few minor tech advantages over LinuxMar 10 18:52
GoForbes28or bring up opensuse for that matter :SMar 10 18:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 well, that saves hassle, it's already in the mint / ubuntu reposMar 10 18:52
oiaohmBut its offset by all the other techadvantages Linux has.Mar 10 18:52
oiaohmits fun watching the BSD guys scream over HAL disappearing.Mar 10 18:53
GoForbes28uh, oiaohm, can you respond to my comment?Mar 10 18:53
Ender207011.4 has firefox 4 evenMar 10 18:53
GoForbes28mehMar 10 18:53
GoForbes28I never considered things like that "features"Mar 10 18:53
GoForbes28Anybody can install Firefox 4Mar 10 18:53
Ender2070yeah they canMar 10 18:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 both, I installed psi+Mar 10 18:54
Ender2070but opensuse integrates firefox with kdeMar 10 18:54
GoForbes28If you have a shitty OS with the GIMP, I wouldn't call the GIMP a featureMar 10 18:54
Ender2070they support the patchesMar 10 18:54
GoForbes28Intergrate is what way?Mar 10 18:54
oiaohmGoForbes28: Sorry I took context wrong at one point.   Where Ender2070 and your windows 8 leaks overlaped.Mar 10 18:54
GoForbes28Is it a different implementation from the quasi-GTK mess?Mar 10 18:55
GoForbes28oiaohm: No problem :)Mar 10 18:55
Ender2070uses the kde file dialogMar 10 18:55
Ender2070giving it KIO supportMar 10 18:55
Ender2070kde device mappings will then workMar 10 18:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] another brainfart of @markshuttlecock?Mar 10 18:55
Ender2070libreofficeMar 10 18:56
Ender2070kde 4.6Mar 10 18:56
GoForbes28Well, I personally don't care for KDE, so it isn't a big selling point for meMar 10 18:56
oiaohmGoForbes28: MS counts OS installed applications in there windows feature listMar 10 18:56
GoForbes28Plus, OpenSUSE strikes me as bloatedMar 10 18:56
GoForbes28oiaohm: Don't remind meMar 10 18:56
Ender2070Firefox integration in KDE Plasma, using native file dialogs, oxygen styling (also for GTK applications) and respecting the user’s mail client and browser choices.Mar 10 18:57
oiaohmGoForbes28: All C++ programs are bloated due to current gcc issues.Mar 10 18:57
GoForbes28Billy G: "But they're not applications!!  They are components of Windows!!!11"Mar 10 18:57
GoForbes28oiaohm: XFCE seems pretty unbloated right nowMar 10 18:57
oiaohmXFCE last time I looked is C.  GoForbes28Mar 10 18:58
GoForbes28I prefer medium-light distrosMar 10 18:58
GoForbes28oiaohm: XFCE wins againMar 10 18:58
GoForbes28oiaohm: The only thing better would be something programmed in assembly ;)Mar 10 18:58
oiaohmGoForbes28: gcc 4.6 will cut some pounds off everything if distributions use it right.Mar 10 18:58
Ender2070im wondering what version of gcc this usesMar 10 18:58
oiaohmgcc 4.4 introduces whole program optMar 10 18:58
oiaohmgcc 4.6 has whole program opt that works.Mar 10 18:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 alrighty, logged in but can't find any options for setting up the mic / headsetMar 10 18:59
Ender207011.3 had gcc 4.5Mar 10 18:59
GoForbes28oiaohm: But XFCE will still have a perfomance advantage?Mar 10 19:01
GoForbes28OK, before we continue with the conversation(s), here's a bit of comic relief, free of chargeMar 10 19:02
GoForbes28http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IknPfSHrHug/TD5E4Z8WK4I/AAAAAAAABW4/i6L2kVjg4To/s1600/Ignatieff_cheese_763841artw.jpgMar 10 19:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] A little comic relief for tough times: http://tinyurl.com/4e2kxkgMar 10 19:04
oiaohmGoForbes28: some places XFCE is slower than KDE.Mar 10 19:07
GoForbes28oiaohm: Blasphamy!Mar 10 19:07
oiaohmGoForbes28: due to XFCE not taking advantage of the GPU that has at least 16 times the processing power of you cpu.Mar 10 19:07
GoForbes28I pretty sure the latest version of XFCE has hardware desktop compositingMar 10 19:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] @goforbes28 Hmm cheese!Mar 10 19:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 on what tab? I can't see any reference to voiceMar 10 19:09
oiaohmGoForbes28: No it don't.Mar 10 19:09
oiaohmGoForbes28: And yes it need to get it at some point.Mar 10 19:09
GoForbes28it has compositing, I find it hard to believe it isn't acceleratedMar 10 19:10
DaemonFCmake localmodconfig is kind of neat :)Mar 10 19:10
oiaohmKDE basic window drawing is accelerated.  GoForbes28Mar 10 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks cables: Indonesian President Yudhoyono is deeply corrupt http://alturl.com/3tpa8 !wlMar 10 19:10
DaemonFCit detects the kernel modules that nothing is using and removes them from your configMar 10 19:11
oiaohmGoForbes28: XFCE is using compositing just to move blocks of data around.  Not to transform them.Mar 10 19:11
DaemonFCI notice that this way I end up building 420 modules instead of like 2100 Mar 10 19:11
GoForbes28http://customisinglife.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/enabling-xfwms-compositor/Mar 10 19:11
oiaohmie XFCE usage you video card could be almost completely dumb and make no difference.Mar 10 19:11
GoForbes28"To my understanding the compositor does not have a software fallback."Mar 10 19:12
DaemonFCyou can use compiz on top of XFCE you know? :)Mar 10 19:12
GoForbes28yesMar 10 19:12
oiaohmGoForbes28: those are really basic operations.Mar 10 19:12
GoForbes28In XFCE case, I think it is more akin to Windows' GDI++, which provide hardware acceleration to make everything smoother in lieu of special effectsMar 10 19:13
oiaohmGoForbes28: QT off loads a lot of 2d drawing to opengl.Mar 10 19:13
oiaohmSo Qt can draw straight on the compesited memory.Mar 10 19:13
DaemonFCIn Windows, WDM wraps around GDI+Mar 10 19:13
DaemonFCyou can address WDM directly but few things actually doMar 10 19:13
oiaohmBasically why composite if you toolkits cannot draw directly on composite surfaces.   GoForbes28Mar 10 19:14
DaemonFCGDI+ is legacy crap that just won't dieMar 10 19:14
GoForbes28Actually, it shouldn't die right now, because 99% of general Windows Apps use itMar 10 19:14
DaemonFCthat's why it's thereMar 10 19:15
DaemonFCas long as it's there, everyone will be lazy and keep using itMar 10 19:15
GoForbes28meaning that Windows 7, with it's lack of GDI+ acceleration, actually has much worse performanceMar 10 19:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft can never deprecate it eitherMar 10 19:15
GoForbes28In other words, no one is satisfiedMar 10 19:15
DaemonFCthey're stuck with itMar 10 19:15
GoForbes28yepMar 10 19:15
oiaohmReally MS is stupid.Mar 10 19:15
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GoForbes28so for the sheep, they make the experience as painful as possibleMar 10 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 that must be a plugin you;re using, I can't find itMar 10 19:15
oiaohmThey have deprecated API in past.Mar 10 19:15
oiaohmThe smart way is to provide a new API and let the old API die out.Mar 10 19:16
DaemonFCthey usually won't deprecate something that lots of things actually useMar 10 19:16
DaemonFCand if they do, they usually put out migration toolsMar 10 19:16
DaemonFCVB to VB.NET is rather painlessMar 10 19:17
DaemonFCso VB is deprecatedMar 10 19:17
GoForbes28hey, this is the same company that made IE6 a dependency, FFSMar 10 19:17
DaemonFCyeah, now IE is lugging around several rendering engines and broken JScript interpretersMar 10 19:18
GoForbes28Yes, but the GDI+ to whateverthehelltheuse isn't a transitionMar 10 19:18
DaemonFClest something breakMar 10 19:18
oiaohmMS plan was by now to be Nuking the NT line.Mar 10 19:18
GoForbes28it's handle so badly that it is a critical flaw of the system that the fanboy just shrug offMar 10 19:18
oiaohmAnd we would be running a .net based OS.Mar 10 19:18
oiaohmThat kinda did not work.Mar 10 19:18
DaemonFCI think they should have dropped IE 6 compatibility and told the broken websites to deal with itMar 10 19:19
GoForbes28And replace with magical theoretical OS?Mar 10 19:19
oiaohmGoForbes28: Its not a theoretical OS.Mar 10 19:19
GoForbes28Doesn't exist, it's vapourwareMar 10 19:19
DaemonFCa lot of companies bitch that their stupid crufty old intranet is busted if they upgrade IEMar 10 19:19
GoForbes28And a .net operating systemMar 10 19:19
DaemonFCso they never do :)Mar 10 19:19
GoForbes28Are they insane?Mar 10 19:19
GoForbes28See how well a Java OS is doing?Mar 10 19:20
GoForbes28Morons.Mar 10 19:20
oiaohmhttp://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/singularity/  << their is the prototype.  GoForbes28Mar 10 19:20
GoForbes28Talk about slowMar 10 19:20
GoForbes28On the plus side, reverse engineering would be a snapMar 10 19:20
oiaohmAnd Windows Phone 7 is also trying to force in that direction.Mar 10 19:20
oiaohmGoForbes28: application containment and hidden intergrated drm would also be a snap.Mar 10 19:21
GoForbes28and doing a poor job.Mar 10 19:21
DaemonFCan OS in C# is not going to happen outside of a basically functionless noveltyMar 10 19:21
GoForbes28Meh, someone would crack the DRMMar 10 19:21
oiaohmsingularity was interesting.Mar 10 19:21
GoForbes28WPF is terribleMar 10 19:21
oiaohmIt was the first ms .net to contain a .net to native code complier.Mar 10 19:21
GoForbes28oiaohm: In mind, still vapourwareMar 10 19:21
oiaohmIe means to spit out native binaries.Mar 10 19:21
GoForbes28wipdee-dooMar 10 19:22
oiaohmGoForbes28: You can download singularity build it and run it.  Mar 10 19:22
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oiaohmGoForbes28: vapourware says you cannot do even that.Mar 10 19:22
GoForbes28and how far does that go in terms of basic functionalityMar 10 19:22
DaemonFCwhat's funny is thanks to .NET disassemblers, anyone who tries to make anything in any .NET language is exposing their source codeMar 10 19:22
DaemonFCyou really think Microsoft is going to make an OS with it?Mar 10 19:22
GoForbes28I referenced thatMar 10 19:22
GoForbes28C'mon, you think Microsoft is stupid?Mar 10 19:23
GoForbes28uh..Mar 10 19:23
oiaohmDaemonFC: Ms did release a watch containing singularity.Mar 10 19:23
GoForbes28a watchMar 10 19:23
GoForbes28wowMar 10 19:23
GoForbes28bet it was damned revolutionaryMar 10 19:24
oiaohmGoForbes28: this why I am saying not vaporware.Mar 10 19:24
oiaohmGoForbes28: You can guess how it sold.Mar 10 19:24
oiaohmIe it did not.Mar 10 19:24
GoForbes28ok, technically not vapourwareMar 10 19:24
GoForbes28but given the amount of half-ideas out of M$ these days, I think we made to expand the definitionMar 10 19:25
oiaohmTechically is a failed product.Mar 10 19:25
GoForbes28a useless nothing is still vapourMar 10 19:25
oiaohmThe watch was a phone watch to be a revelution in comunications.Mar 10 19:25
oiaohmIe KIN mark 1Mar 10 19:25
oiaohmKIN phone followed it.Mar 10 19:26
GoForbes28yeah, a revolution in ineptnessMar 10 19:26
oiaohmNow we have WP7 trying to keep the .net on mobiles alive to hopefully allow .net on desktops to take off.Mar 10 19:26
oiaohmI am not seeing good odds of anything of this working.Mar 10 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 it needs the psimedia addonMar 10 19:27
oiaohmReally its not ineptness  Ms could see arm being a major player coming.Mar 10 19:28
oiaohmMS could see lot of there applications would not work accress cpu types.Mar 10 19:29
GoForbes28As DaemonFC said, .net in an OS would only possibly kinda work on a phone, because it can be locked downMar 10 19:29
GoForbes28Of course, saying "work" is being generous :)Mar 10 19:29
oiaohmMS was hoping for .net to save there ass.Mar 10 19:29
oiaohmYet the complete time MS has failed to get software makers onboard.Mar 10 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 I have it set, you are freakzoid right?Mar 10 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 yep, I guessed that was you on my buddy listMar 10 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 appanrtly your offline, or not authorised, I dont use jabber normallyMar 10 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler Now the nosedive begins 4 Nokia...Mar 10 19:34
GoForbes28I think Sony Vegas is one of the few that hasMar 10 19:36
GoForbes28and even then, only partiallyMar 10 19:36
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oiaohmGoForbes28: Sony Vages is not the top in its field.  Lightworks that is plan is to be cross platform without .netMar 10 19:42
GoForbes28"Open source" since 1989?Mar 10 19:45
GoForbes28Really?Mar 10 19:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler No one who goes to bed with M$ leaves the bed well. It's like a std in the day after. And many die of it.Mar 10 19:45
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oiaohmGoForbes28: Open source since 1989 refering to what.Mar 10 19:47
DaemonFCin an ideal world, all software would be free and open sourceMar 10 19:54
DaemonFCin an ideal world there would also be no rape, murder, kidnappings, or child molesters Mar 10 19:55
DaemonFCtake home point, not a perfect worldMar 10 19:55
DaemonFCthe fact that these firmware blobs are proprietary really makes no sense most of the time anywayMar 10 19:56
DaemonFCwhat trade secret is Realtek keeping in making integrated NIC firmware a blob?Mar 10 19:56
oiaohmCheats on benchmarking.  DaemonFCMar 10 19:58
oiaohmAlso some of the hardware is badly design secuirty wise.Mar 10 19:59
oiaohmSo if you can do what ever you want you could basically run a hidden virus there.Mar 10 19:59
GoForbes28sorryMar 10 20:02
GoForbes28still hereMar 10 20:02
GoForbes28oiaohm: from wikipedia:Mar 10 20:02
GoForbes28LightworksDeveloper(s)EditShare LLCMar 10 20:02
GoForbes28Initial release1989Mar 10 20:02
GoForbes28Stable release1.3 / January 2009; 2 years agoMar 10 20:02
GoForbes28Operating systemMicrosoft WindowsMar 10 20:02
GoForbes28TypeNon-linear editing systemMar 10 20:02
GoForbes28LicenseOpen SourceMar 10 20:02
GoForbes28Websiteeditshare.com ? LightworksMar 10 20:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] José Padilha vai dirigir o remake de Robocop... Não sei se choro ou se rio...Mar 10 20:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms : It is Kallijas who does it http://bit.ly/et9Hl5 #Chevenga #weblit #reading #scifiMar 10 20:10
oiaohmLightworks started life as a closed source product GoForbes28Mar 10 20:11
oiaohmEditshare is quite a major server producer for high end production.  There servers are Linux based.Mar 10 20:12
oiaohmThere objective by aquiring Lightworks is to get a good video editor on Linux.Mar 10 20:13
GoForbes28Aren't there already some good editors?Mar 10 20:14
oiaohmNot in lightworks class.  GoForbes28Mar 10 20:15
GoForbes28What stage of development is it at?Mar 10 20:16
oiaohmBinary for windows is released of course.  Source code is in legal department of course to be completely audited by middle of year.Mar 10 20:16
oiaohmBinary for windows is released free of course.Mar 10 20:17
oiaohmSo something better than Sony Vagas for nothing for windows users at moment.Mar 10 20:17
oiaohmLightworks is able for most operations do them realtime.   GoForbes28Mar 10 20:18
GoForbes28are there screenshot?Mar 10 20:19
GoForbes28sMar 10 20:19
oiaohmhttp://www.lightworksbeta.com/Mar 10 20:20
oiaohmhttp://www.lightworksbeta.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=112&Itemid=246  And they are not slowing down feature development just because Linux and Mac support is on the roadmap.Mar 10 20:22
GoForbes28looks very uniqueMar 10 20:24
oiaohmYes its funny they are calling it a Beta because the source code is not released.  Not that is unstable or anything.Mar 10 20:24
DaemonFCI bought Lightworks when it was proprietaryMar 10 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] In Arista v LimeWire court rejects RIAA contention it is entitled to statutory damages for each direct infringer http://bit.ly/eZbVfE #riaaMar 10 20:25
oiaohmGoForbes28: what interface standards where  there in 1989Mar 10 20:26
DaemonFCthe Amiga was the most advanced computer of the 80sMar 10 20:27
DaemonFCnothing else really even touched itMar 10 20:27
DaemonFCthe only reason the PC and Mac did better was because the Amiga was priced well out of the range of home computersMar 10 20:27
oiaohmLightworks and Blender are both from around the same time frame in interface design.Mar 10 20:28
oiaohmWhen you use to design interfaces for task.  Not have patterns to follow.Mar 10 20:28
DaemonFCAmigaOS 4 ended up with a cult following too but they made this stupid inexplicable decision to target PowerPCMar 10 20:28
DaemonFCwhich meant you were left to go buy a Mac, format Mac OS off, and install AmigaOS manuallyMar 10 20:29
DaemonFCor buy this outrageously overpriced PPC system from themMar 10 20:29
DaemonFCobviously they would have sold better if they targeted the x86 PCMar 10 20:30
DaemonFCBeOS made the same mistakeMar 10 20:30
*DaemonFC used and liked BeOSMar 10 20:30
DaemonFCHaiku seems to be progressing slowlyMar 10 20:30
GoForbes28yesMar 10 20:34
GoForbes28about the same pace as reactosMar 10 20:35
GoForbes28maybe a little fasterMar 10 20:35
oiaohmThe problem with being a edge OSMar 10 20:35
oiaohmIs lack of resources.Mar 10 20:35
oiaohmYou can even see FreeBSD screaming out for resources.Mar 10 20:36
DaemonFCFreeBSD seems to be doing OKMar 10 20:36
oiaohmNot really.Mar 10 20:36
oiaohmIts still depending on items like HALd and other parts that have been declared dead.  DaemonFCMar 10 20:37
DaemonFCdeclared dead in LinuxMar 10 20:37
DaemonFCsomeone could maintain them for FreeBSDMar 10 20:37
oiaohmhald is declared dead by freedeskop.orgMar 10 20:38
GoForbes28At least there are a fair amount of BSDMar 10 20:38
oiaohmWas declared non mainatined 3 years ago.  DaemonFCMar 10 20:38
oiaohmAnd no one has turned up.  DaemonFCMar 10 20:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Plaintiffs...presented no facts that... indicate...allegation is anything more than speculation."~Hon.Rudi M. Brewster http://bit.ly/eZbVfEMar 10 20:39
oiaohmIts a borning but important job.Mar 10 20:39
DaemonFCnothing in a Linux distribution has any business depending on HALMar 10 20:39
oiaohmLinux has paid coders todo the work.Mar 10 20:39
DaemonFCbut some things still doMar 10 20:39
DaemonFCbrbMar 10 20:39
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oiaohmLot of the smaller OS's need to look at a foundation model.  Mar 10 20:40
oiaohmSo they have so much money each year to pay a coder full time to deal with the crap no one else wants to deal with.Mar 10 20:40
GoForbes28or you make it enjoyableMar 10 20:41
GoForbes28you just need to fulfill intrinsic motivatorsMar 10 20:41
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oiaohmGoForbes28: Never works.Mar 10 20:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @ghosthand A website that plays ambient music underneath live NYPD radio: http://youarelistening.to/newyork (via Sage Francis)Mar 10 20:42
oiaohmGoForbes28: there is always that dark edge somewhere that a person needs to be bribed to touch.Mar 10 20:42
GoForbes28AhMar 10 20:43
GoForbes28I assume these tasks are repetitive?Mar 10 20:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Righthaven ramping up the silly lawsuits again http://tighturl.com/2zvwMar 10 20:44
DaemonFCI just merged Linux 2.6.38-rc8 with drm-radeon-testing, patched AppArmor, stripped the kernel of everything I don't use, and set it up with all the neat stuff like realtime and transparent huge pagesMar 10 20:45
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 20:45
oiaohmGoForbes28: Not exactly repetitive.  Normally the task that to the end user look exactly the same.Mar 10 20:49
oiaohmGoForbes28: Some can be insanely hard to fix.  Ie lack of reward for effort basically.Mar 10 20:50
GoForbes28I don't knowMar 10 20:50
GoForbes28extrinisic motivators tend to only work with very simple tasksMar 10 20:51
GoForbes28with problem solving and abstract thinking, they become uselessMar 10 20:51
oiaohmGoForbes28: Blenders good motivator is the movie projects.Mar 10 20:51
oiaohmGoForbes28: Those are funded of course.Mar 10 20:51
oiaohmGoForbes28: Google summer of code only so useful because it cannot be targeted against the complex problems.Mar 10 20:52
oiaohmIe summer of code has cleaned up some of the dark crap conners of open source.Mar 10 20:52
GoForbes28summer of code is one of the best ideas I've seen in awhileMar 10 20:53
oiaohmFoundation model like blender and others.Mar 10 20:53
oiaohmWorks very well along side it.Mar 10 20:53
GoForbes28well, I better get to sleepMar 10 20:54
GoForbes28see you all laterMar 10 20:54
GoForbes28good discussions allMar 10 20:54
GoForbes28:/9Mar 10 20:54
GoForbes28:)Mar 10 20:54
GoForbes28bye oiaohmMar 10 20:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.37.3-libre-lemote and 2.6.32.32-libre2-lemote for !yeeloong !gnewsense are available at http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/Mar 10 20:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Must Read: "Tor, XMPP, GPG, Internet security" excellent blog post by @jimmorgan http://ur1.ca/3gnth !privacy #internet #security !lpMar 10 20:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @Reuters FLASH: Gaddafi forces enter #Libya's Ras Lanuf oil port and clash with rebels, insurgents sayMar 10 20:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Body blow! Right hook! I wonder whether "Punch Out" is available on PS3.Mar 10 21:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @haris !shared Grown Adult Actually Expects To Be Happy http://b1t.it/cvXMar 10 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Introducing Test Pilot 1.1 http://mzl.la/i2ibADMar 10 21:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla F1: faster. more. http://mzl.la/hYmezMMar 10 21:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Prof Kannan now speaking on Spoken Tutorial Project - Main Hall, #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconfMar 10 21:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @iThruProxy Sarah Palin: Africa Is A Continent, Rumors I Don't Know That Are 'Lies' http://dlvr.it/JrDMc << #Palin is scaryMar 10 21:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Just submitted !fedora 's gsoc application! woot! Anyone still want to add ideas? We're up to 20 now! http://ur1.ca/3ep1oMar 10 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Western countries condemn girl #circumcision in #Africa as barbaric, yet our "civilized" doctors mutilate infant boys' penises daily.Mar 10 21:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @rrix Just submitted !fedora 's gsoc application! woot! Anyone still want to add ideas? We're up to 20 now! http://ur1.ca/3ep1oMar 10 21:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @rrix still considering a possibility for having an embedded effort for the application. do lack a LOT of time these days :-sMar 10 21:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @lamm do you know that medical experts used to insist that circumcision didn't cause baby boys painMar 10 21:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Indian Govt is spending good amount of money for promoting FOSS - Prof Kannan - #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconfMar 10 21:35
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DaemonFCoiaohm: Ubuntu has proven that it's almost impossible to sandbox a browser with AppArmorMar 10 21:43
DaemonFCeven with all the dangerous things it has to allow to get the thing to work, it will still interfere with the user and make the browser seem brokenMar 10 21:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I'm not finished the (hopefully) final edit of !mynovel so I will continue being anti-social a bit longerMar 10 21:44
DaemonFCI want them to just give up and admit that when you allow access to /sys/proc and the user can't open a text file he just downloaded, game overMar 10 21:44
DaemonFC  # chromium mmaps all kinds of things for speed.Mar 10 21:46
DaemonFC  /etc/passwd m,Mar 10 21:46
DaemonFC  /usr/share/fonts/truetype/**/*.tt[cf] m,Mar 10 21:46
DaemonFC  /usr/share/fonts/**/*.pfb m,Mar 10 21:46
DaemonFC  /usr/share/mime/mime.cache m,Mar 10 21:46
DaemonFC  /usr/share/icons/**/*.cache m,Mar 10 21:46
DaemonFC  owner /dev/shm/pulse-shm* m,Mar 10 21:46
DaemonFC  owner @{HOME}/.local/share/mime/mime.cache m,Mar 10 21:46
DaemonFC  owner /tmp/** m,Mar 10 21:46
*DaemonFC head desks :)Mar 10 21:46
DaemonFCAppArmor and SELinux only really work well on programs and daemons that have a rather limited and well defined set of tasks they performMar 10 21:47
DaemonFCthey don't scale to a web browserMar 10 21:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @JFbookman Top 4 Book Formatting Mistakes to Avoid: http://ur1.ca/3gofm !SelfPubMar 10 21:47
DaemonFCby the time you get a profile that works you've just given it a significant amount of access to the system anywayMar 10 21:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] that's it for me... goodnight !identicaMar 10 21:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Calligra Suite Talk will go from 11.00 am to 4pm in Hall - S2, #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconfMar 10 21:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @fsf: Free Software Supporter in Brazilian Portuguese (Thanks to Bruno Buys) -- http://www.fsf.org/pt-br/fss-2011-02 #fsf #gnu #dbdMar 10 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Can somebody convert my small QT/C++ code into PyQT/Webkit, http://ur1.ca/3gov8 #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconfMar 10 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] OH @heatsynclabs @huertanix "She has 544 friends, add her on facebook, she's a slut for friends"Mar 10 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rlyehbob: @KinshinC All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that Lord Cthulhu wake up!Mar 10 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @sjsf #Earthquake magnitude upgraded to 8.8. Massive #Tsunami hits #Japan.Mar 10 22:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] USGS: Japan quake measured 8.8. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0001xgp.phpMar 10 22:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I got i386 Kubuntu, I need 64 bit. Do anybdy has any ? #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconfMar 10 23:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Group Photograph at KDE conf, Everybody please assemble #kdeindia #confkdein #kdeconf , Time Before LunchMar 10 23:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Some claims about tsunami and fires. http://meonjaiku.jaiku.com/presence/1cdefaf7106847dea21768f498afaca5Mar 10 23:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] rd @nytimes NYT NEWS ALERT: Tsunami Hits Japan After 8.8 Magnitude Earthquake Off CoastMar 10 23:05
oiaohmhttp://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_92Mar 10 23:08
oiaohmI do find something intersting that Ubuntu trying to make Gnome out as a devil at the moment.   Exactly after ubuntu is planing on redirecting funds that would have went to gnome.Mar 10 23:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] heard something when walking outside and thought: 'There is no speed bump here". When I walked back I saw a dog was run over !OnlyInChinaMar 10 23:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] :-sMar 10 23:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @fauno: update on #parabola development http://ur1.ca/3fsvp #gnu #linuxlibre #mips !gnull !yeeloongMar 10 23:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @sjsf #Japan #earthquake magnitude has been upgraded again to 8.9. A Massive #Tsunami has hit Japan. CNN: http://goo.gl/fMw3OMar 10 23:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] of course the guy who did it drove away...Mar 10 23:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Video release: Minecraft Adventures 4 - Fortifications > http://outl.ws/fniKdU #minecraft #linuxoutlawsMar 10 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK. Identica seems to be back to normal this morning. Good. :)Mar 10 23:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Democraţia necesită #software liber http://is.gd/NDT54y ( rog RT ) #politica #politics #romania #ro #dinromania #microsoft #windows #appleMar 10 23:50
speexbTniPAStep in the right direction regarding flash:Mar 10 23:51
speexbTniPAipad-ipad-2-ios-4-3-chrome-safari-windows-nitro-javascript-dre.htmMar 10 23:51
speexbTniPAmore need to join Apple in banning flashMar 10 23:51
speexbTniPAhttp://www.ibtimes.com/articles/120033/20110308/adobe-flash-html-5-wallaby-ios-iphone-ipad-ipad-2-ios-4-3-chrome-safari-windows-nitro-javascript-dre.htmMar 10 23:51
speexbTniPAhttp://www.inquisitr.com/22264/url-shorteners-the-herpes-of-the-web/Mar 10 23:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] 2.6.37.4 #linux #stable review http://bit.ly/ejJxoZ "[...] There are 29 patches in this series [...]" #kernel #2637Mar 10 23:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @eff: Don't let the Trans Pacific Partn. become the next ACTA, contact your representative and demand transparency: https://eff.org/r.2z7Mar 10 23:55
speexbTniPAhttp://www.paulcarvill.com/2009/04/why-people-should-build-their-own-url-shorteners/Mar 10 23:56
oiaohmThere of course is a downside to everything speexbTniPAMar 10 23:58
oiaohmOwn link shorteners also means requiring your own site.  speexbTniPAMar 10 23:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Hall S1 - learning QTScript, Hall S2 - learning pyQT, #kdeconf #confkdein #kdeindiaMar 10 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl http://bit.ly/hB1LvxMar 10 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry http://bit.ly/hJtrUfMar 10 00:06
Ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQ7HmcJCi4Mar 10 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The #Brain Eating #Vaccine #Conspiracy http://ur1.ca/3g501 #Wired #wtfMar 10 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Fascinating, bookmarked! Under Pressure: The Search for a #Stress #Vaccine http://ur1.ca/3g58r #Wired #biologyMar 10 00:15
Ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmrjxoMar 10 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Wisconsin: Walker passes illegal anti-American bill, fuck him like we fucked Mubarak and his regime http://ur1.ca/3g5drMar 10 00:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] See Jobs available with Qt - http://fossjobs.in/search/qt #kdeconf #confkdein #kdeindiaMar 10 00:20
Ender2070http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_WeishauptMar 10 00:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Qt Jobs - http://tinyurl.com/6ef8qrc #kdeconf #confkdein @pradeepto @ApurvaTripathi @madcap_loon @kushaldas @kdeindia @rajitsingh plz RTMar 10 00:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 447 Minis votes for a God. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #Minis #fantasy #worthreadingMar 10 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #SarahPalin's Father: 'We Sleep With #Guns' http://ur1.ca/3g5ib I sleep with pillows.Mar 10 00:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I have a bunch of blog posts to write. I should be working on them, but I'm not. #procrastinationMar 10 00:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Nongeek friend on #tags: Why not make'em normal links—just highlight/color? All the #'s hurt my eyes; like looking at a broken website.Mar 10 00:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Anyone time to help #openSUSE? screenshots page must be updated. http://bit.ly/eZiVFG screenshots here: http://bit.ly/evVe5YMar 10 01:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @eLiberatica: #Mozilla makes a better case for #web #apps in minutes than #Google did in months http://is.gd/Yiw7dpMar 10 01:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @alpvonkri: #openSUSE #Linux 11.4 será oficialmente lanzado mañana 10 / Marzo / 2011 a las 8:00am (Tiempo del Centro de México)Mar 10 01:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mem: Yay! I'm getting a new PC at work, now it only has to get thru the paperwork :-P Can't wait to get #debian on it :-)Mar 10 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Holy bullshit, Batman! No Anonymous Browsing http://ur1.ca/3g5zs #UK #O2 #iPhone #censorship #failMar 10 01:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @stephiedg Annma's talk has started in the main auditorium! It's about how to start contributing to KDE-edu : #confkdein #kdeindiaMar 10 01:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @akavoor I'm giving away 500 Kubuntu CDs today, post lunch at #confkdein #kdeindiaMar 10 01:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I have SchoolOS Digital Library (2GB) - http://schooloslibrary.sourceforge.net/ , anyone can come and take - #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 10 01:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @karunakarg have debian squeeze mirror (50GB), if anyone wants #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf #debianMar 10 01:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] #Facebook Resistance Workshop at CIS, Bangalore, Apr 02, 2011 http://ur1.ca/3fomi (@hapeeg cc @nsisodiya) #media4d #ICT4DMar 10 01:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Video tutorial on Some of the KDE-EDU apps http://ur1.ca/3g6hr @@stephiedg RT #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 10 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] openSUSE 11.4 out today; probably will wait for new laptop, though. if there was a release party in Zürich, i'd go *hint* *hint* ;)Mar 10 01:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to work.Mar 10 01:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @jasonwoof @danielmarti btrfs is being developed as the successor to ext4. ext4 is older, and much more stable right now.Mar 10 01:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love @kaz correcting @bkuhn on the time thing.Mar 10 01:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Conferința Agora despre virtualizare http://www.agora.ro/conferinta/virtualizare-1 #agora #bucurestiMar 10 01:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Why, oh why is there an app to send fake SMS to self? More than one! #itsacrazyworldMar 10 01:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDE-EDU Contribution Tasks http://ur1.ca/3g6qo http://ur1.ca/3g6qp http://ur1.ca/3g6qq http://ur1.ca/3g6qr #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 10 01:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @chrisblizzard : It's time. The #Mozilla #Firefox 4 Release Candidate is Now Available. And it's awesome. http://mzl.la/edSLxp #web #freeMar 10 01:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate pentru Windows, Mac și Linux este disponibilă http://is.gd/VgZLMh #romania #software #windows #microsoftMar 10 02:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] KDE-EDU, You can also contribute by creating Video Tutorial using Spoken Tutorial Project #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 10 02:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Next Talk - Stephanie Das Gupta - Contributing more India specific content to KDE-edu apps #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 10 02:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LinkedIn Is About To Make Headlines http://tcrn.ch/edxdPN by @mrinaldesaiMar 10 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @zack nice #editorial by Jonas on the work revolving around the delivery of !FreedomBox to the public http://ur1.ca/3g6ta !DebianMar 10 02:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The year of the #FreedomBox http://dr.jones.dk//fb/year/ #free #software #gnu #linux #debian !romaniaMar 10 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @TechCrunch: LinkedIn Is About To Make Headlines http://tcrn.ch/edxdPN by @mrinaldesaiMar 10 02:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @JuniperNetworks : BLOG: New IPv6 blog series from #Juniper http://Ez.com/ipv6 (via @svjn ) #ipv6 #ip6 #netMar 10 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Will #Microsoft lose $1.1 billion this year because of tablet woes? Not likely http://is.gd/enHypX #android #software #mobile #wp7Mar 10 02:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Sitting with @indradg #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 10 02:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sqMar 10 02:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] why the crap am I awake and hacking on a ruby cgi script?Mar 10 02:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Paul-Martini-Schule http://b1t.it/cpP #4sqMar 10 03:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Twitter blocked in #Cameroon, unlikely to affect protests - http://bit.ly/fiLUz5 government discovers #Streisand EffectMar 10 03:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Peter King's Radicalization Hearings, Explained http://ur1.ca/3g7rz #Republican #hypocrisy #Islamophobia #CongressMar 10 03:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Great Green African Wall Planned for Sahara - http://bit.ly/fBvLgT imagine if this had been done instead of invading Iraq... #africaMar 10 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @DavidAllenGreen #LibelReform campaign publish important pamphlet on what Defamation Bill should contain: http://bit.ly/fuTtdj (pdf)Mar 10 03:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh weren't ssh and perl originally non-free? o.oMar 10 03:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I took the @AdaInitiative open technology and culture census. You should too! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011Mar 10 03:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] http://twatter.com/ that is all.Mar 10 03:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sqMar 10 03:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Un articol necesar în #Wikipedia #RO, vă ROG să contribuiți http://is.gd/8hlU5j ( @legiinternet , @cdriga , @prolinuxro , @avpascal s.a.) :)Mar 10 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek & Poke: How To Deal With Information Overload http://goo.gl/VEcYeMar 10 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RomiMaier: "4 elemente [...] virtualizare in Data Center", Dan Popa Star Storage LIVE http://www.agora.ro/eveniment-live/virtualizare-0Mar 10 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Tottenham are into the last eight of the Champions with a 0-0 draw against Milan. Nice work Gallas and Dawson !spurs !footballMar 10 03:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Openstreetmap, #harta #GPS liberă și gratuită, pe care o poți îmbunătăți și singur http://is.gd/izz5kA #romania #garmin #mapMar 10 03:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Greg Grossmeier: !Ubuntu Global Jam – #Natty Narwhal http://goo.gl/vx4gNMar 10 04:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Daniel Holbach: !Ubuntu Development videocast http://goo.gl/qUQOLMar 10 04:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Randall Ross: Master Your Social Networking with Gwibber http://goo.gl/pCMNjMar 10 04:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @Sjig: Read the *secret* Dutch GVT report on open source savings here : http://ur1.ca/3g8f6 #egovt #gnu #linux #opensource #free #softwareMar 10 04:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mozilla #Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available - http://bit.ly/h8m1r8 important releaseMar 10 04:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just found my old Tux-Pirate-Brit-Catalan avatar :)Mar 10 04:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @runa_b 10 year old python champs who got @kushaldas to recheck functions in his code #confkdein http://t.co/zBfgelmMar 10 04:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, time to do some work.Mar 10 04:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Online music sales in #China up by 14 percent - http://bit.ly/gTnym5 despite rampant #piracyMar 10 04:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Irish Computer Service Board switches to open source software - http://bit.ly/gzOpZE "forecast to have major migration ramifications"Mar 10 04:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Let's have a very strong #teaMar 10 04:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @gijs: Read the *secret* Dutch GVT report on open source savings here : http://ur1.ca/3g8f6Mar 10 04:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MIT Media Labs’ new logo has 40,000 variations - http://bit.ly/dU3hDL clever #designMar 10 04:31
MinceRgeekingsMar 10 04:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Mark Shuttleworth: Internal competition is healthy, but depends on strong and mature leadership http://goo.gl/cj5Hu !gnome !ubuntuMar 10 04:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Thank you, wireshark <#Mar 10 04:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available http://bit.ly/e8bwbKMar 10 05:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☝ Parallel Filing: In the future, where will most of the patents that patent trolls use come from? Find out in m... http://wmk.me/fcK4tlMar 10 05:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Interrogator in #Assange case friend with woman accusing #Wikileaks founder - http://bit.ly/fXfcor never a dull moment (v @AlexiMostrous)Mar 10 05:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Foggy thinking about the Right to Oblivion - http://bit.ly/fE5jnB excellent analysis: "Culture is memory" #privacyMar 10 05:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Internal competition is healthy, but depends on strong and mature leadership - http://bit.ly/erex69 big post from #Canonical's Big ManMar 10 05:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Illinois Death Penalty Repeal Has National Implications - http://bit.ly/gwu4rn is the tide finally turning? #capitalpunishment #usMar 10 05:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Reforming Peer Review. What are the practical steps? - http://bit.ly/ggfhf2 long, thoughtful & important post #peerreview #scienceMar 10 05:20
speexbTniPASome TV networks have  started gratiuituously wrapping their video in Flash:Mar 10 05:21
speexbTniPAhttp://areena.yle.fi/ohjelma/1673832Mar 10 05:21
speexbTniPAThere is no added value in Flash as a container format, only liability -- security and portability suffer.Mar 10 05:21
oiaohmspeexbTniPA: really flv format is documented fully.Mar 10 05:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The 17 Sides of a Cultural Identity - http://bit.ly/eyi2Z8 more on multi-faceted, variable logos (v @loucaspapa) #designMar 10 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @glynmoody Illinois Death Penalty Repeal Has National Implications - http://bit.ly/gwu4rn is the tide finally turning? #capitalpunishmentMar 10 05:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For #Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” - http://bit.ly/ewcPvV using #Linux tooMar 10 05:30
MinceRoiaohm: so?Mar 10 05:31
MinceRit brings no technical merits to the table, it's merely more difficult to play and handleMar 10 05:31
MinceRand trash itself is a big heap of security and privacy issues, implemented by people whose programming skills consist entirely of whining about how difficult something is to implementMar 10 05:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] FrenchLeaks - http://bit.ly/fS4LAi "documents d’intérêt public concernant notamment la France et l’Europe"; good to see (v @telecomix)Mar 10 05:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody #China Switches To Homegrown CPUs For #Supercomputers, Cites “Dependence On Foreign Technology” - http://bit.ly/ewcPvVMar 10 05:33
MinceReven if you don't consider how shitty trash is, their installed base is scaryMar 10 05:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @mozilla Mozilla Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Windows, Mac and Linux Now Available http://bit.ly/e8bwbKMar 10 05:35
MinceR(and difficulties in providing alternative trash players show that it's not an open format, at least in practice)Mar 10 05:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do we need an Open Interface licence? - http://bit.ly/emkss5 "interface code can be closed, but back-end code open"; hmmMar 10 05:43
oiaohmMinceR: I have not found a flash site that does not download by one method or anotherMar 10 05:47
MinceRdownloading is just part of the dealMar 10 05:48
oiaohmMinceR: also lot of the flash selection was prior to any viable cross platform soltuions either.Mar 10 05:48
MinceRand i'm tired of working around all that shitMar 10 05:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Unity "Two-Sided Dock" Mockup [Ubuntu 11.04] http://ping.fm/QRK3vMar 10 05:48
MinceRi think that linking to a standard video file is pretty viable and cross platformMar 10 05:48
oiaohmMinceR: Think how old webm is and the lack of windows means to play ogg.Mar 10 05:48
MinceRsure, you don't get to put ads all around a tiny video window, but fuck that.Mar 10 05:48
oiaohmMinceR: just embed the adds in the video problem solved.Mar 10 05:49
MinceRand HTTP could do streaming for a long timeMar 10 05:49
oiaohmBut there was no common format all browsers supported.  MinceRMar 10 05:49
oiaohmYes the state of crap we have had.Mar 10 05:49
oiaohmAnd its the state of crap that has to end.Mar 10 05:49
MinceRwhat browser didn't support <a href="video.mpg">my video</a> ?Mar 10 05:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Nautilus 3.0 Beta Screenshot (With New Sidebar Design, Floating Statusbar) ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog http://ping.fm/njN7sMar 10 05:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @LinuxLatest conf.kde.in Opens in Bengaluru (KDE.NEWS) http://bit.ly/gd57Q4Mar 10 05:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: Dedicated to the dissemination of public documents relating notably France and Europe. http://www.frenchleaks.fr/ <3Mar 10 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @darkestkhan: Call for translators to help with #FreedomBox http://bit.ly/hek2Ut #Debian #Linux (repost because previous link got killed)Mar 10 05:56
oiaohmMinceR: mpg magical patent locked solution.  MPEG LA again.   I should have been more correct no format that all browsers supported where the was not a person who could be grabing a fee.Mar 10 05:59
oiaohmMinceR: Adobe allow FLV to be used without fee.Mar 10 05:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "The Ten Minute Guide to diff and patch" from http://stephenjungels.com/jungels.net/articles/diff-patch-ten-minutes.html #programmingMar 10 06:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Vinux Project: Ubuntu-based distribution designed for blind and visually impaired users http://ping.fm/EZqW5Mar 10 06:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Vapiano http://b1t.it/cqB #4sqMar 10 06:05
speexbTniPAMPEG and QuickTime are more portable.Mar 10 06:07
oiaohmspeexbTniPA: and patented.  Mar 10 06:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Steve Jobs Introducing Macintosh 24-JAN-1984 - No matter how often he said $2400 was cheap no one cheered the price http://ping.fm/g5cX3Mar 10 06:08
oiaohmspeexbTniPA: under a licenses that people can demard fees for content.Mar 10 06:08
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speexbTniPAyesMar 10 06:08
speexbTniPAwebm and ogg are neededMar 10 06:08
oiaohmBasically the first format without fees won.Mar 10 06:08
oiaohmunforntanly the format that won also requires flash.Mar 10 06:09
twitterOpen Washing non free medical records systems and Microsoft http://www.fredtrotter.com/2011/03/01/glen-tullman-presents-the-chewbacca-defense/Mar 10 06:09
speexbTniPAFSF  could work *with* Apple on ban of Flash.Mar 10 06:09
speexbTniPAMozilla Foundation, too.Mar 10 06:09
oiaohmBecareful working with Apple.Mar 10 06:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Do you set your system clock to UTC? If not, why?Mar 10 06:10
oiaohmApple can make profit from mpeg patents and quicktime patents.Mar 10 06:10
speexbTniPAOf course, Apple has problems, but there are areas of common groundMar 10 06:10
oiaohmSo most key thing is to focus on forcing webm up.Mar 10 06:10
speexbTniPAbut to make their proffit from mpeg and quicktime patents (in NAFTA zone) they have to eliminate flashMar 10 06:10
speexbTniPAthat makes room for webm and oggMar 10 06:11
oiaohmogg container format has some design flaws that do effect streaming resuneablity.Mar 10 06:11
oiaohmwebm basically is the best on offer.Mar 10 06:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sabayon 5.5 review at linuxbsdos.com http://ping.fm/betCeMar 10 06:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do we actually need a #census? - http://bit.ly/hJl5Sc bit late to ask...but a reasonable article (v @jmcesteves)Mar 10 06:11
oiaohmand webm has a proper patent grant and patents in googles hands to use to defend it.Mar 10 06:12
oiaohmSad it took so long to get something like webm that is basically the right tech for the job.Mar 10 06:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MIT Media Lab, Logos and Trademarks - http://bit.ly/gdwfZB time for the algorithmic trademark? #design #computabilityMar 10 06:13
speexbTniPAWhich browsers support WebM today?Mar 10 06:13
oiaohmFunny enough flash itself support WebM today.Mar 10 06:15
oiaohmSo flv and WebM are already equal.Mar 10 06:15
oiaohmTo be correct WebM is ahead.Mar 10 06:15
oiaohmAs time goes on Firefox 4 has webm current chrome has.   That is about 50 percent + of the market without flash.Mar 10 06:17
speexbTniPAnot so equal, flash has more malware potential and is locked to a few platformsMar 10 06:36
speexbTniPAFF has a lot of marketshare, that will drive webm adoptionMar 10 06:37
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speexbTniPAFF-> FirefoxMar 10 06:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Please take this 5 minute @AdaInitiative survey about women in open technology and culture! http://svy.mk/adacensus2011Mar 10 06:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Paraphrasing Mark Shuttleworth: It's all down to the Gnome leadership, nothing to do with us http://ping.fm/SdATSMar 10 06:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The other problem with Shuttleworth's remarks? Assumes Unity will win. If it loses, he'll need a whole other strategy, won't he?Mar 10 06:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ubuntu Wiki Relicensing to CC-BY-SA – Request For Comments by @popey http://ping.fm/K1HnpMar 10 06:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I can't see how anyone could object to that @popey re http://bit.ly/h2dBJKMar 10 06:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Public domain here, under copyright there http://ping.fm/BJrFTMar 10 06:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Aptitude is now back in the default package list of #ubuntu 11.04, good choiceMar 10 06:53
oiaohmspeexbTniPA: flash will at first help.   For the simple reason non supporting were flash is will still have some form of support.Mar 10 06:54
oiaohmspeexbTniPA: Of course ideal is not to require flash of course.Mar 10 06:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Twitter está saturado o no disponible temporalmente. Inténtalo de nuevo o visita Estado de Twitter para más información. #twitter #lameMar 10 06:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @evan long awaited. But won't it cause a loop if I use identi.ca to feed Twitter timeline? Or have you avoided that already?Mar 10 07:01
MinceRoiaohm: did they also allow use of their video codec without a fee?Mar 10 07:02
oiaohmMinceR: adobe released the full specs of flv and gave a free patent lince equal to what webm has now.Mar 10 07:03
MinceRflv is just a container, isn't it?Mar 10 07:03
MinceRthey had some sorensen bullshit or whateverMar 10 07:04
MinceRthey have h.264 nowMar 10 07:04
oiaohmNo there is a flv particular encoding.Mar 10 07:04
oiaohmThat is pre h.264Mar 10 07:04
oiaohmvideo/x-flvMar 10 07:04
oiaohmThat video format.Mar 10 07:04
oiaohmSorenson Spark, Screen videoMar 10 07:05
oiaohmAlso the predesor to webm is also in flv.  On2 VP6Mar 10 07:06
MinceRi did mention sorensonMar 10 07:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, baguette and beer time woot!Mar 10 07:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Schulamt Bonn, Außenstelle Beschaffung & IT http://b1t.it/cqW #4sqMar 10 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] A new install of Ubuntu 11.04 on Virtualbox partially failed installing. Let's see if it recovers from aptitude... ;-)Mar 10 07:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Paul-Martini-Schule http://b1t.it/cpP #4sqMar 10 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler @schestowitz Wow, are they still on those old tricks ? How pity.Mar 10 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] no idea who this fella is, but I'm guessing he'd be better than Blatter http://tighturl.com/2ztv change is BADLY needed #FIFA !footballMar 10 07:28
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oiaohmMinceR: When the selections were first made to use flash by a lot h.264 support was not in flash.Mar 10 07:33
oiaohmMinceR: many years latter the iso format f4v contains only h264 that suxs.Mar 10 07:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] have the #Republicans made themselves unelectable in Wisconsin? http://tighturl.com/2ztw how many average workers will vote for them now?Mar 10 07:35
oiaohmMinceR: Issue has been at every turn the supporters behind Mpeg have  getting rid of the others.Mar 10 07:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @thistleweb: have the #Republicans made themselves unelectable in Wisconsin? http://tighturl.com/2ztwMar 10 07:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #Conservatives made themselves a pariah on Scotland with the #PollTax decades on they're still a minor player largely because of thatMar 10 07:36
oiaohmMinceR: Hard part is lot of these selections are done over 5 to10 year windows.Mar 10 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Giving a try -- for sport over no-lunch -- fixing the machine via aptitude install ubuntu-desktop and let it crunch, which it's doing.Mar 10 07:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Libya: #BBC news team kidnapped, hooded and beaten by Gadaffi's forcesMar 10 07:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks ideas spread: French news site @MediaPart launches its own leaks site: http://frenchleaks.fr !wlMar 10 07:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Hot on the heals of #openSUSE 11.4 being released, we've just finished our latest podcast! http://bit.ly/dXETWuMar 10 07:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Ridicolo che le banche usino ancora la dizione "assegno su piazza", visto che la compensazione è completamente elettronicaMar 10 07:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I think I'm gonna try Jolli OS or whatever they're calling the new Jollicloud. I haven't used it in yonksMar 10 07:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: SCO, unXis, Microsoft, Canopy, Carlyle, Elliott Associates, and Koch Industries - http://bit.ly/gZbDG5 #SCO #Microsoft #kochMar 10 07:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] /me looking at #packetfenceMar 10 07:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Tech Drive-in: Integrating Software Center with #Launchpad (Mockup) http://goo.gl/bUNoA !uMar 10 08:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I just unticked the box for local replies to be sent to Twitter, @support, but they're still being relayed. Any ideas?Mar 10 08:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @atopiary: @aaronbarr http://poll.pollcode.com/U2N this poll is old, but what do you think of the results? What are you up to these days?Mar 10 08:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 448 Ili's view of Jitzmitthra. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #fantasy #Minis #worthreadingMar 10 08:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @glynmoody: Great Green African Wall Planned for Sahara - http://bit.ly/fBvLgT imagine if this had been done instead of invading Iraq...Mar 10 08:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Loved @bkuhn's Apple rant on the latest @faifshow. That was spot on and very funny. "Sick, I tell ya! SICK!!!" :DMar 10 08:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @karinlow: I can't begin to express how much "the Harper Government" offends me. It's not your government, nimrod.Mar 10 08:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Firefox 4 Release Candidate for Linux, Mac, and Windows now available: http://bit.ly/h8m1r8 - grab it while it's hot!Mar 10 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Europe, the Guardian needs you - http://bit.ly/g6hbKv is #Guardian trying to set up global network of #bloggers?Mar 10 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Anony_Ops: A new #Anonymiss appears. @AnonMsLy Sexy and hot as hell!Mar 10 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @AnonymousIRC: France first country to recognize Libyan rebel leadership as country's legitimate government. http://ow.ly/4bwNq #Feb17Mar 10 08:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Thorsten Wilms: Design-Boost http://goo.gl/PeLHu design in free software worldMar 10 08:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Nokia CFO plays Symbian while rubber boot maker burns - Nokia is still doomed http://bit.ly/gCBwlP #businessMar 10 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: Reality is "not available for sale" a greater impact on revenues for creators than infringement, #C32 makes issue worseMar 10 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @tekk Perl? Was always Artistic License or am I wrong? ssh was around since before there even was proprietary software I think.Mar 10 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Vienna opens its data [de] - http://bit.ly/i1ddKx nett (v @bethnoveck @karounos) #opendata #austriaMar 10 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] Interrogator in Assange case is friends with accuser > http://goo.gl/6axLC (Swedish) !wlMar 10 08:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Zoopla launches Property Archive of past UK house prices - http://bit.ly/gCXKaF interesting #property #opendataMar 10 08:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Safari and Internet Explorer are hacked first at Pwn2Own contest - http://bit.ly/hNHJ9T excitement: will Firefox and Chrome resist?Mar 10 08:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL! :D ♺ @evan: @digibomb You're seriously on flight 815? Is this soccer team on your flight? http://outl.ws/dPMkjiMar 10 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Trying to keep my brain alert with Monster. It's better than collapsing...Mar 10 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Louis #Vuitton – the symbol of corporate #bullying - http://bit.ly/gDk6ja not even handbags at dawnMar 10 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnrMar 10 08:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mendeley API Binary Battle: IsItOpenData? - http://bit.ly/fHOAp2 @petermurrayrust asks the right question #opendataMar 10 08:46
speexbTniPA@TRIdewntica: SSH arrived only in 1995, Mar 10 08:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Now boarding SXF > CGNMar 10 08:48
speexbTniPAhttp://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Overview#SSH_-_open_then_closedMar 10 08:48
speexbTniPAPerl was around firstMar 10 08:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !perl and databases? Very nice DBI guide: http://www.felixgers.de/teaching/perl/perl_DBI.htmlMar 10 08:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] LLVMpipe Gallium3D Is Used In Fedora 15: Fedora 15 is gearing up to be another great release from the Red Hat ca... http://bit.ly/dH8qqWMar 10 08:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] ♻ @karsten: A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnr !fs !gnuMar 10 08:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open source procurement: Subscriptions | http://bit.ly/gjkn78 #foss #osiMar 10 09:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks news update http://is.gd/xRn0oy & http://wlcentral.org/ !wlMar 10 09:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @emily_hatchpr @ABridgwater Cool map of US passport ownership by state. 45% of Americans have a passport. http://aol.it/e6eJNl >>uh-huhMar 10 09:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Mark is deliberately misleading the community about the way GNOME works [...] this post is essentially a lie." http://outl.ws/g7DpwMMar 10 09:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ratholeradio: Tickets to the 2nd annual Rathole Radio gig in Liverpool on April 24th are now available http://is.gd/7x2cRwMar 10 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] What the hell is Shuttleworth doing? He's just lashing out again and again on his blog suddenly after not posting for months. What's up?Mar 10 09:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Release is coming. So some noise needed?Mar 10 09:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @bryonwilfert: Two decisions by Speaker of the House of Commons find Conservative government in contempt of Parliament. Election coming.Mar 10 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Spending a few hours learning as many vim commands and terminal commands as i can. !cliMar 10 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I have been called a lot of things on here and I actually agree with some of it but liar really hurts. I never knowingly lied.Mar 10 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I may be an egomaniacally, troublemaking bastard that doesn't know what he's talking about but a liar? Wow.Mar 10 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Microsoft and the Game of Catch-Up #drupalcon http://ping.fm/NuUHnMar 10 09:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: I remember @michelenlared said to me this "in a hurry" comment. I had to leave it, cos I had no idea what it meantMar 10 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] openSUSE 11.4 has arrived http://lwn.net/Articles/432736/rssMar 10 09:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] New Statesman: How the 'liberal' press tried to silence WikiLeaks http://is.gd/3q5kL1 !wlMar 10 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @michelenlared I wonde if Mark's real annoyance with Gnome is he's losing the PR battle?Mar 10 09:43
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MinceRlol @ shuttlecock's delusions of grandeurMar 10 09:49
MinceRa reference would be nice thoughMar 10 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] 'The Guardian’s hatchet job on Julian Assange' | WSWS http://alturl.com/xypga !wlMar 10 09:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Is http://www.markshuttleworth.com down or is it just me?Mar 10 09:52
oiaohmMinceR: Really KDE will not miss the chance to knife Gnome.Mar 10 09:53
oiaohmMinceR: KDE does pride themselves on following freedesktop standards.Mar 10 09:53
cubexyzicewm, xfce, kde is what I useMar 10 09:54
MinceRoiaohm: ?Mar 10 09:54
MinceRi was referring to the dent redented by fabshMar 10 09:54
cubexyzmay as well try different DE'sMar 10 09:55
oiaohmShuttleworth does not get it yet Ubuntu method is no different to what Gnome does.Mar 10 09:56
oiaohmIts basically lets ingnore upstream.Mar 10 09:57
oiaohmFreedesktop should be upstream of Gnome and KDE.Mar 10 09:57
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cubexyztime to tweak weather.txtMar 10 09:59
cubexyzit's getting rather bigMar 10 09:59
MinceRhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/09/sony-ps3-lg-blu-ray-disputeMar 10 10:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: No project/org has perfect leadership, but GNOME is among best in this regard.Mar 10 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh yeah, but there are several ways of "down" and I don't know what that site uses. I just get a blank page (but http connection is ok)Mar 10 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] openSUSE 11.4 Released: The openSUSE developers in Nuremberg and around the world have a reason to celebrate tod... http://bit.ly/dGvt8cMar 10 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Open-Source AMD Fusion E-350 Support Takes A Dive: If you have been thinking about picking up a motherboard with... http://bit.ly/hLguktMar 10 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bkuhn: the sickest part is that @sabdfl is clearly having a !Canonical proxy war w/ #RedHat through #GNOME.Mar 10 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] If vuntz had a broken heart after Banshee, he must be totally gutted now.... :(Mar 10 10:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] The upcoming FTF ELN annual meeting is going to be awesome. EG 2/3 of the initial keynotes will rock tha house (the third is mine) ;-PMar 10 10:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] setting up another !debian system for the Polish FLOSS Foundation. I love that system. :) #fwioo #wiooMar 10 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: New #Gwibber User Guide makes mastering social networking in Ubuntu easy http://goo.gl/5u7NCMar 10 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ninapaley: Mimi and Eunice: My Works Are Like My Children http://j.mp/fw903QMar 10 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] For those who haven't guessed, I absolutely love Mimi and Eunice. @ninapaley has an incredible sense of the absurd!Mar 10 10:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why is Mark so interested in Gnome anyway? Seems to me he planning to get totally rid of it as fast as possible...Mar 10 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] DailyTech - Apple's OS X is First OS to be Hacked at This Year's Pwn2Own http://ping.fm/eCYzNMar 10 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] IMHO Shuttleworth has all rights to complain if a promise was not kept. OTOH that's life, if you don't like it, fork it. I'm #unconcernedMar 10 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @bugabundo: thumbs up http://acidcow.com/pics/20110310/acid_picdump_19.jpg | ROTFLMar 10 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] FOSA AGM and SFD 2011 planning meeting - http://fosa.sg/2011_ECM_ACM_SFDS_KickoffMar 10 10:43
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sebsebsebHiMar 10 10:49
sebsebsebmandybuntu: hiMar 10 10:49
sebsebsebuh wrong oneMar 10 10:49
sebsebsebMinceR:  hiMar 10 10:49
MinceRhayMar 10 10:49
sebsebsebMinceR: PC Linux OS, new KDE when stable enough, just done my upgrade to KDE 4.6.1Mar 10 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] After a bit of unsuccessful troll-fishing ;-( heading to home office and will see if it had worked when I'm back online ;-)Mar 10 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Of the 9 roses I bought @th3k4ty for our anniversary, 6 are still left 10 days later. They weren't cheap but seem to have been worth it. :)Mar 10 10:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] My email id is a bigger winner than charlie sheen....Mar 10 11:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #MusOpen.org: Public domain performances of public domain music - http://bit.ly/hUNdAN good intro to important project #pd #musicMar 10 11:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @ggoes So !Slackware's next version number is really 13.37? Amazing.Mar 10 11:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Off to bed early today. Reading all the gnome / canonical mud slinging has tired me out :pMar 10 11:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OpenSuse 11.4 release mentioned at Adnet and The HMar 10 11:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Actually OpenSuse is mentioned everywhere. Too many to read them allMar 10 11:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Die GdL streikt. Fallen jetzt überall die #Apple Airport Express aus? </sarcasm>Mar 10 11:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] !Ubuntu Maverick shuts down really fast (< 5 seconds) Thanks @keybuk for all the great work in making that possible.Mar 10 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Endowed by Their Creator?: The Future of Constitutional Personhood - http://bit.ly/fNJh3Z deep & delightful musings on chimeras & the lawMar 10 11:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU: Time For a New Approach on #Copyright - http://bit.ly/f5uU0R ah, that naughty Neelie - teasing again...Mar 10 11:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Honest Tea tests America’s honesty in its latest brand campaign - http://bit.ly/ifuUKf nice #tea #honestyMar 10 11:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla at SXSW 2011 http://mzl.la/gdCUxDMar 10 11:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Norwegian open source-based problem-reporting website launched nationwide - http://bit.ly/gYBGGu #opensource #opengovMar 10 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] HP to Ship All PCs With webOS Option http://bit.ly/i9zqwW #linuxMar 10 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I was just thinking how funny it would be if loads of people placed orders at moonpig for mugs with the Sony copy protection keys on themMar 10 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jospoortvliet @jwildeboer sure !gnome is free to ignore a request. !canonical is free to replace referral in banshee. Doesn't make i ...Mar 10 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @omgsuse On the tenth day, !openSUSE 11.4 changed everything http://goo.gl/fb/Bcu80Mar 10 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Install Sparkleshare In Ubuntu Via PPA (Open Source Cloud Sync - Dropbox Alternative) http://bit.ly/htSySxMar 10 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fred Goodwin gets superinjunction to stop him being called a banker - http://bit.ly/gnxbDP good to see that "banker" is now an insultMar 10 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !lo Where do people hang out on IRC? I've decided to get back into it, but I have no regualr haunts any moreMar 10 12:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Nouveau can' t handle videos well on my 23" plasma screen. Hope the proprietary Nvidia driver will be available soon on !kubuntu "Natty".Mar 10 12:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Make-Believe Billion - http://slate.me/gPegsB "How drug companies exaggerate research costs to justify absurd profits" comments are funMar 10 12:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Russian DNS netbook comes with !MeeGo !Linux http://ping.fm/zwxvFMar 10 12:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listening to the Joel I Have To Run Windows At Work Tech ShowMar 10 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I just called AT&T customer service and was greeted with "Hello, this is Buddy, how can I help you?" to which I replied "Hey Buddy!"Mar 10 12:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Best Practices for Authoring Interoperable #ODF Documents - http://bit.ly/eKhI1Q "user education must help with the rest of the way"Mar 10 12:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @fscons #FSCONS Video: Salve J. Nilsen: Kaizendo: Customizable schoolbooks http://ur1.ca/3ge1c #education #rwcultureMar 10 12:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Unity 3.6.4 has been released: http://goo.gl/veCb6Mar 10 12:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @samtuke ♻ @karsten: A Decade of Freedom: !FSFE turns 10 this month http://ur1.ca/3gbnr !fs !gnuMar 10 12:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] complete text of the US proposal for the #Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (#TPP) chapter - http://bit.ly/eKe5BU get it while it's hotMar 10 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @jamie_love USTR in #TPP: patents shall be available even if such invention does not result in the enhancement of the known efficacyMar 10 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @jamie_love USTR in TPP chpt: 95 year copyright minimum term for works for hire >>oh look, that copyright ratchet again...Mar 10 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The need and drive for open data in biomedical publishing - http://bit.ly/hrVELQ it's the future #opendata (v @wilbanks) #publishingMar 10 12:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Feeling for @th3k4ty and trying to motivate her to keep at it. Science and research is a very hard and frustrating job sometimes...Mar 10 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Nacion (Costa Rica): Intrepidez tica en Naciones Unidas impresionó a EE. UU. | http://is.gd/wVuaKH !wlMar 10 12:55
GoForbes28hi againMar 10 12:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Bounce bounce bouncycow. #minecraftMar 10 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Jornada (Mexico): En 2009, Pascual destapó la debilidad de AN y Calderón tras la elección intermedia | http://is.gd/j0sIWv !wlMar 10 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open Leadership webcast with Charlene Li | http://bit.ly/hGWs9q #transparency #innovation #altimeterMar 10 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] A note for Hotmail users http://lwn.net/Articles/432797/rssMar 10 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why does Gawker home page have *2* scroll bars and why does the scroll bar on the far right control the far left frame?Mar 10 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Espectador (Colombia): Sabas culpó a Restrepo de meterle 12.000 'paras' | http://is.gd/Z5AK6O !wlMar 10 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Pais (Uruguay): El creciente poder sindical, "bendecido" por Vázquez, preocupaba a Estados Unidos | http://is.gd/ocdMcz !wlMar 10 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bruce89 Shuttleworth is just annoyed that #GNOME doesn't share his vision of cloning OS XMar 10 13:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] El Comercio (Peru): Wikileaks evidencia detalles del proceso de Alberto Fujimori en Chile | http://is.gd/gmO35j !wlMar 10 13:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] »R @marjoleink: just about 1000 more dents, and we'll hit 66666666 :DMar 10 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Working with Frames and Objects in Scribus http://is.gd/OoYDEA #desktop #dtp #publishing #scribus #linux #gnu #free #softwareMar 10 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Post-PC Era Is Already Here http://is.gd/85ts99 #hardware #softwareMar 10 13:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gusteru: RT @yo9fah_ro: openSUSE 11.4 Officially Released, Screenshot Tour Inside: http://bit.ly/gESKRh #linux #gnuMar 10 13:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL.Mar 10 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Waxing Nostalgic About Old-School Linux http://is.gd/V9NcYm #gnu #linuxMar 10 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Kettelerschule http://b1t.it/cjC #4sqMar 10 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ahh..... Coffee!Mar 10 13:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @spot Fixing chromium to build in F-15. Can't send the patch upstream. This is why copyright assignment agreements are full of FAIL.Mar 10 13:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] SF Bay Area friends! @TEDxSFED "mashEDup: re-imagine education" will happen on April 9. Register by this Mon: http://ht.ly/49BQx #OERMar 10 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Does Compiz Still Slow Down Your System?: There have been a flurry of comments this week following my post why s... http://bit.ly/fCOkw2Mar 10 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] just deleted my Google Buzz Profile !Mar 10 13:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sqMar 10 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Has Microsoft dropped the ball with Windows Phone 7? http://is.gd/7oXxc3 #microsoft #windows #wp7 #mobile #samsungMar 10 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Thursday http://lwn.net/Articles/432776/rssMar 10 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @zach RT @rejon Die Java, die!Mar 10 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Pro Markt http://b1t.it/csZ #4sqMar 10 13:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Ground control to Major Tom... ♺ @zach: @evan I get the idea you hum Space Oddity whenever you're on a plane.Mar 10 14:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at Frittebud http://b1t.it/cs5 #4sqMar 10 14:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity 3.6.4 source package is in #natty http://goo.gl/5xTF8Mar 10 14:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Unigine Does Terrain Tessellation, Confirms OS X Plans: While Unigine's pre-release orders for OilRush aren't go... http://bit.ly/iku21lMar 10 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] the source package of !unity 3.6.4 is waiting for dependencies: http://goo.gl/2QFwuMar 10 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Top 10 Worst Things About the #Republicans' Immoral #Budget http://ur1.ca/3g881Mar 10 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] 'In #God We Trust' suit rejected by #SupremeCourt http://ur1.ca/3g8ma Might as well be "In #Myth We Trust"Mar 10 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] EXI Extends Reach of XML to New Devices and Applications http://ow.ly/1bHNwSMar 10 14:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Three Web Apps Last Calls: Server-Sent Events, Progress Events, Web Workers http://ow.ly/1bHNwRMar 10 14:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Imagini inedite cu Eva Braun şi Hitler, date publicităţii http://is.gd/M7cx3u #hitlerMar 10 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Full Text of US proposal for #TPPA IP chapter leaked: https://eff.org/r.z98 Take action: https://eff.org/r.2z7Mar 10 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] IT departments 'flying blind' when it comes to mobile #security http://is.gd/XiAliBMar 10 14:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Israeli Court Enforces for the First Time a Creative Commons License http://is.gd/LxO3pA via @glynmoodyMar 10 14:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @TechJournalist: Newest #openSUSE #Linux Release Offers Rolling Releases - LinuxPlanet http://bit.ly/f9LMRA #gnuMar 10 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @JustMeAmber: Reminder today is #GNOME 3 test day - More information at http://is.gd/98k9VB #gnome #communityMar 10 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] My muscle memory has finally memorized the screen keyboard shortcuts \o/ #screenMar 10 14:43
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Daemonfcok jono, my mods have restored balance to the ForceMar 10 14:53
Daemonfcat least with regards to KubuntuMar 10 14:53
DaemonfcB-)Mar 10 14:53
DaemonfcUbuntu is now basically this big monolithic ball of crap that can't be modified, hence it is no longer "fun"Mar 10 14:54
DaemonfcI get that's what you guys call a "product"Mar 10 14:54
Daemonfcstay off my lawn!Mar 10 14:54
Daemonfc:)Mar 10 14:54
Daemonfcvanilla kernels and mesa pulled from git is my bag, babyMar 10 14:55
DaemonfcB-)Mar 10 14:55
Daemonfcthis looks juicy http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=7dcf019af2e76a4c6e0391c3c5e1d50966367df8Mar 10 14:56
*Daemonfc wonders when radeon will use itMar 10 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @eff Full Text of US proposal for #TPPA IP chapter leaked: https://eff.org/r.z98 Take action: https://eff.org/r.2z7Mar 10 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Pwn2Own 2011: IE8 on Windows 7 hijacked with 3 vulnerabilities http://is.gd/3kLjXY #microsoft #windows #ie #ie8 #securityMar 10 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @wired: Hackers steal $1.2 million in Microsoft Points. http://wrd.tw/ie9Esn (We suspect Mr. Microsoft-Pointfinger.)Mar 10 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @StirileProTV: Proiectul Uranus in standby. Hala #Matache din Capitala nu poate fi demolata http://fb.me/J3X1ScTr #bucuresti #roMar 10 14:57
DaemonfcMinceR: My conclusion of radeon is that it has a lot of rough edges but FGLRX does the wrong thing from start to finishMar 10 14:58
*Daemonfc thinks he will ride the radeon waveMar 10 14:58
Daemonfcone thing that really stands out is that if radeon manages to hang X, this isn't normally a kernel panic thrown in as a bonusMar 10 14:59
Daemonfcnot so with FGLRXMar 10 14:59
Daemonfcswitch to tty1, kill X, switch to tty7, startxMar 10 14:59
Daemonfcwhereas FGLRX leaves the user holding the power button until the system shuts off and the file system might not have allocated all outstanding writesMar 10 15:00
Daemonfc= not a good outlook for your dataMar 10 15:00
DaemonfcI did have to edit Ubuntu's init scripts to disable that stupid failsafe X, X respawn crapMar 10 15:01
DaemonfcZOMG, you're trying to kill X, let's start X back up only to crash again!Mar 10 15:02
Daemonfcthat's why all the cool kids know not to upgrade from PackageKit, it ignores DPKG asking you if you want to keep your existing settings or install the maintainer'sMar 10 15:03
Daemonfcit just bulldozes your settings without asking :)Mar 10 15:03
Daemonfcbefore you know it, you have that failsafe X stupidity againMar 10 15:04
Daemonfcjono: ZOMG, you're not running X, we'll TEACH you to love  X, X is mandatory, you can thank us later!Mar 10 15:04
DaemonfcB-)\Mar 10 15:04
MinceRwhat gpus/drivers does wayland currently run with anyway?Mar 10 15:05
Daemonfcthe proprietary ones all failMar 10 15:05
Daemonfcthe free ones all work to my knowledgeMar 10 15:05
DaemonfcI've tried Wayland with nouveau, radeon, rage128, intel, and tdfx (3dfx)Mar 10 15:06
Daemonfcall of them work, even 3dfx Voodoo 2 1000 heheMar 10 15:06
Daemonfccirca 1998Mar 10 15:06
MinceRicMar 10 15:06
Daemonfc3dfx supports accelerated compositingMar 10 15:07
Daemonfcthough you're limited to what you can doMar 10 15:07
Daemonfcall the basic compiz plugins workMar 10 15:07
DaemonfcExtreme Tux Racer worksMar 10 15:07
Daemonfcwhat else do you need? B-)Mar 10 15:07
MinceRnexuizMar 10 15:08
MinceRut2004Mar 10 15:08
MinceR:>Mar 10 15:08
Daemonfc3dfx supports OpenGL 1.1, and not fullyMar 10 15:08
Daemonfcyou can get away with most of that, some will fall back to llvmpipe and be rendered on the CPUMar 10 15:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] damn it, does this mean that I need to write a notification daemon?Mar 10 15:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] It's incredible that !fs advances w/ so many ppl wanting to do things their way & arguing among themselves. !q @houndMar 10 15:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @psquid #slowdenticaMar 10 15:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ccLearn: Free Technology Academy publishes course books CC BY-SA on #freesoftware #openstandards & #GNU #Linux http://is.gd/68dNzMar 10 15:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @fedorared: RT @ccLearn: Fantastic resource! Creative Commons: What every Educator needs to know by Rodd Lucier http://bit.ly/dMoVMar 10 15:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: I just confirmed my reservations for the 2011 Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit http://is.gd/vAi4sT Hope to see some of you...Mar 10 15:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #bzr is *so* stupid :|Mar 10 15:08
Daemonfcit will report OpenGL 1.3, but a lot of it is running on llvmpipe if it's past 1.1Mar 10 15:09
Daemonfcwhich as far as software rendering goes, llvmpipe is fantasticMar 10 15:10
Daemonfcyou're talking at least double the speed of Mesa's classic software renderingMar 10 15:10
Daemonfc3dfx is usable with Compiz and some basic 3d games, even to this dayMar 10 15:11
Daemonfcit supports KVM Mar 10 15:11
Daemonfctry running a 3dfx card on Windows XP, Vista, or 7 and tell me what you thinkMar 10 15:12
DaemonfcI think the beta driver for Windows 2000 works kind of on XP, but very buggyMar 10 15:12
Daemonfcno DirectX supportMar 10 15:12
Daemonfc3dfx leaked out a beta driver for Windows 2000 right before they went under, that's the only support you'll get on Windows NT, everMar 10 15:13
DaemonfcB-) enjoyMar 10 15:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Neil deGrasse Tyson - Communicating #Science http://ur1.ca/3gfxe #PointofInquiry #podcast #CenterForInquiry #secularMar 10 15:13
Daemonfcand on Windows, it won't do you much good, no DirectX, full of bugs, no OpenGL supportMar 10 15:14
Daemonfcif you can dig up some GLIDE apps it will accelerate themMar 10 15:14
DaemonfcMinceR: That DOOM 3 on Voodoo 2 1000 thing that surfaced a while back was actually not utilizing the card at allMar 10 15:15
DaemonfcWindows XP has software rendering of OpenGL 1.x and some of DirectXMar 10 15:16
Daemonfcso the card might have been present, but the CPU was doing everythingMar 10 15:16
Daemonfcpublicity stuntMar 10 15:16
Daemonfcjust like Windows 7 on the Pentium 2Mar 10 15:16
Daemonfczomg, it took 32 minutes to boot!Mar 10 15:17
Daemonfcthis is totally useful!Mar 10 15:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Copying over the #Minecraft map to the new server.Mar 10 15:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @jezra yes, yes it does.Mar 10 15:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] uo, un @jack6es por aqui! :D Todavia no estas en el grupo !eol ? ya tardas xDMar 10 15:17
cubexyzI've seen worseMar 10 15:17
cubexyz386SX16 with win95Mar 10 15:17
DaemonfcI've ran Windows 95 on a 486Mar 10 15:17
cubexyznot prettyMar 10 15:17
Daemonfcbut it was a DX4-100Mar 10 15:17
Daemonfcit runs well on thatMar 10 15:17
cubexyzwell sureMar 10 15:18
cubexyzit's rare I see anything older than p2 thoughMar 10 15:18
Daemonfcthe 486 SX line was crapMar 10 15:18
Daemonfcthe 487 was basically a fully functional 486 DX that disables the 486 SX and takes overMar 10 15:18
Daemonfcploy by Intel to sell you another CPU later onMar 10 15:18
cubexyzhard to avoid intel Mar 10 15:19
cubexyzand even harder to avoid x86Mar 10 15:19
abeNd-orgthat mathcoprocessor stuff?Mar 10 15:19
Daemonfcwell, you're thinking, just plug the 487 in, won't work, not pin compatible with the 486 slot, and it won't work by itself if the main slot is emptyMar 10 15:19
DaemonfcIntel hasn't changed muchMar 10 15:20
cubexyzwell I think 8086 was differentMar 10 15:20
Daemonfcyes, up until and including 387, the co-processor was actually a co-processorMar 10 15:20
Daemonfcthe 487 was notMar 10 15:21
cubexyzextinct now, unless you still have a working 486Mar 10 15:21
DaemonfcI doMar 10 15:21
Daemonfc:)Mar 10 15:21
abeNd-orgi havent seen a working 486 in yearsMar 10 15:22
cubexyzI have one myself... don't really use it much Mar 10 15:23
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DaemonfcI have a 386 laptopMar 10 15:23
DaemonfcDX 33Mar 10 15:23
cubexyzx86 is so boring thoughMar 10 15:23
DaemonfcI never went for the SX ones, don't save you much, perform so much worseMar 10 15:23
cubexyzI miss the 6502Mar 10 15:23
cubexyzthe weird thing is 486 boards on ebay are like $100 or moreMar 10 15:24
Daemonfcthe git patches to 2.6.38-rc8 are moving very slowlyMar 10 15:25
Daemonfcgit2 doesn't have anything I'm interested inMar 10 15:25
cubexyzso what OS are you running on the 486?Mar 10 15:25
abeNd-orgonly thing i would use 486s for is pull the cpu fan off & use it on my gpu in my current systemMar 10 15:25
DaemonfcMINIX 3Mar 10 15:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Marketing your Business- #Facebook vs. #LinkedIn http://is.gd/QDhAEeMar 10 15:27
Daemonfclooks like there will be a 2.6.38-rc9Mar 10 15:27
Daemonfcjust won't be anything too exciting in itMar 10 15:27
Daemonfcunless some patches show up for radeon, I probably won't even build itMar 10 15:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Probably the funniest comment ever on !GNOME Shell: "Don't you guys surf the net for porn!!!!???? C'monnnn." http://goo.gl/zDqplMar 10 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Armies of Expensive #Lawyers, Replaced by Cheaper #Software http://is.gd/dSRiUW #cataphoraMar 10 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RIAA not happy with Sen Zoe Lofgren, excellent piece as usual from #TechDirt http://tighturl.com/2zus #p2p #law #politicsMar 10 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Marked bugs with attached patch to add rpm support to #utouch -{evemu,frame,grail,geis} LP#732822 LP#732823 LP#732828 LP#732829Mar 10 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Linux 2.6.38 Kernel Is A Few Days Away http://is.gd/SO9cRc #gnu #linux #kernelMar 10 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @stav: It is a historical fact, that's all. Today is Osama bin Laden's 54th birthday.Mar 10 15:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] De ce sa-ti cumperi telefon cu Android si nu iPhone http://pulsene.ws/12FLu via @bogdanidMar 10 15:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I predict, by the end of 5 years, more people will be on Skype than on FacebookMar 10 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @lamm It's incredible that !fs advances w/ so many ppl wanting to do things their way & arguing among themselves. !q @houndMar 10 15:45
abeNd-orgfeh, in 5 yrs facebook will have a voip service that will have ended skypeMar 10 15:46
abeNd-orgthey are already starting to get into the netflix marketMar 10 15:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] (Michael) Moore to play Sarah Palin in TV production? http://tighturl.com/2zuv careful now, people may prefer the looks of the fake Palin ;PMar 10 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Tor 0.2.2.23-alpha is out: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-02223-alpha-outMar 10 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@WebsterGTarpley: #STALINGRAD of #Libya rebels at #RasLanouf, pt. of farthest advance, then retreat and defeat - says... #CorriereDellaSeraMar 10 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @mvalente "Why High-Speed Rail Isn’t That Great" http://goo.gl/3zuv1 Agradeço reenvio para tontos e afins.Mar 10 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK I'm trying this new Joli OS. Back laterMar 10 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Grim reading: Manning's abuse inside custody released by his Lawyer, David Coombs http://is.gd/FWKAEk !wlMar 10 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 144 dents!Mar 10 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ex #BP employee advise UK govt over energy? and the #Tories said they wanted "new politics"; BUSINESS as usual http://tighturl.com/2zv6Mar 10 16:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] methinks the whole "renewables" idea will be sent to gather dust as "oil" is pushed firmly into "must be protected and promoted" modeMar 10 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Norwegian open source-based problem-reporting website launched nationwide - http://bit.ly/gYBGGu #opensource #opengovMar 10 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] oil & #BP having absolutely no connection with each other on any level, even the name British PETROLEUM is coincidentalMar 10 16:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody EU: Time For a New Approach on #Copyright - http://bit.ly/f5uU0R ah, that naughty Neelie - teasing again...Mar 10 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RBS banker Fred Goodwin gets superinjuction to stop being called a wanker, erm....I mean banker http://tighturl.com/2zv7Mar 10 16:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Zoopla launches Property Archive of past UK house prices - http://bit.ly/gCXKaF interesting #property #opendataMar 10 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @p2pnet Firefox 4 RC 1 for Windows, Mac, Linux. Out of Beta http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49840Mar 10 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Do we actually need a #census? - http://bit.ly/hJl5Sc bit late to ask...but a reasonable article (v @jmcesteves)Mar 10 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity 3.6.4-0ubuntu1 package has been succesfully built for #natty http://goo.gl/5xTF8Mar 10 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Interrogator in #Assange case friend with woman accusing #Wikileaks founder - http://bit.ly/fXfcor never a dull moment (v ...Mar 10 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Testing the latest unity build...Mar 10 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @wikileaks wikileaks: John Pilger: The Guardian attack on WikiLeaks http://is.gd/gdVTry http://bit.ly/hJtrUfMar 10 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @wikileaks wikileaks: US troops can't tell the difference between Austria and Australia. RT @crikey_news: http://bit.ly/eGIHnl http:/ ...Mar 10 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://alturl.com/e25vf !wlMar 10 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Michael Vogt: apt-btrfs-snapshot creates automatically filesystem snapshot when apt installs/removes/upgrades. http://goo.gl/VSTCP !uMar 10 16:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bradley #Manning's detailed complaint about his "improper treatment" - http://bit.ly/h10RZf tale of bloody-mindedness and bullying #tortureMar 10 16:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Dear Hollywood: It's Time To Realize Artificial Scarcity Is Gone... And That's A Good Thing - http://bit.ly/hAKeWr yup #abundanceMar 10 16:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Banks are soon going to refuse to let you spend your money, thanks to #Republicans http://ur1.ca/3ggrrMar 10 16:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republican Rep. King from NY wants to destroy Ham Radio http://ur1.ca/3ggskMar 10 16:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republicans try to attack Net Neutrality http://ur1.ca/3ggt6 Warning: HuffPoMar 10 16:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Virginity Restoration #Surgery http://ur1.ca/3gcll #Islam #misogyny #religion #sad #wrong #wtfMar 10 16:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mendeley Data IS OPEN! - http://bit.ly/eS3Ev6 @petermurrayrust gets his answer - the right one #opendataMar 10 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Swedish female cop who interrogated !WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is friends with one of his accusers http://www.thelocal.se/32506/Mar 10 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Shuttlecock admits to attacking GNOME on behalf of #Microsoft !Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/3ga0aMar 10 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Carl Sagan is the new Isaiah Mustafa http://ur1.ca/3g845 !scienceMar 10 16:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] If only launchpad.net was as fast as github *sigh*Mar 10 16:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Space shuttle launch: From the booster rockets' point of view http://ur1.ca/3ggvv !scienceMar 10 16:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] How Do People Respond to Being Touched by a Robot? http://ur1.ca/3ggw2 !scienceMar 10 16:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #RIAA Not Happy With Rep. Lofgren Calling Out ICE For Web #Censorship - http://bit.ly/hxRh5O classic @mmasnick analysis & debunkingMar 10 16:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] RT @stav Minor !stats milestone: Today we are 2/3 of the way to 100 million dents http://identi.ca/notice/66666666 Too bad mot an intere ...Mar 10 16:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@brokep All my facebook messages I ever wrote and deleted are back now with the new update. Thanks for keeping that data against my wishes!Mar 10 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] compiling PHP because they don't push their fixes upstream. sighMar 10 16:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] New #Facebook Feature Empowers the Dangerous "Comment Nazis" http://ur1.ca/3gh0c #freespeech #privacy #wtfMar 10 16:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetfedora: Adam Young: FreeIPA 2.0 RC3 http://bit.ly/enAZRJ #freeipa #software #free #ldapMar 10 17:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Just thank #USA imperialism: #Afghanistan lets #Blackwater stay despite shakeup of security contractors http://ur1.ca/3gh56Mar 10 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Server seems awesome so far. I thank @mymcserv. :DMar 10 17:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] HP: The Linux Desktop Company (ZDNet) http://lwn.net/Articles/432871/rssMar 10 17:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @mozillazinefr La Release Candidate de Firefox 4 disponible le 9 mars via @zdnetfr http://zdnet.fr/39758722Mar 10 17:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm now using Joli OS. It was very easy to install and very easy to use, but some things I'm used to are missing, nothing important yet thoMar 10 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It's not immediately clear to me how I change the resolution either, yetMar 10 17:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek & Poke Phone Etiquette http://goo.gl/OfkznMar 10 17:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Thunderbird getting some !Unity love http://goo.gl/TaE91Mar 10 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !Unity 3.6.4 Brings Resizable Launcher, ALT + F2 Run Dialog, More http://goo.gl/BMwQd !ubuntu #nattyMar 10 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] !listening to Muse - StarlightMar 10 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] There's no identica app in @Jolicloud and @chromedeck is missing even though it's chrome app. This is bit counter-intuitiveMar 10 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @agentdero The preparation I did on @omgsuse and the !openSUSE 11.4 launch gave me a new perspective on how friendly and cooperative ...Mar 10 17:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Jolicloud appears to support Adobe AIR, so it looks like I can install the @desktopdeck but not @chromedeck. I must be missing somethingMar 10 17:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: I mostly agree with this column! RT @mrchan : will bypass usual channels & point out column http://tgam.ca/wBnMar 10 17:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh man, identica is messed up ATM....Mar 10 17:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK, I'm off to bed. I need sleep.... OoMar 10 17:47
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DaemonfcNow I know these numbers are cookedMar 10 17:54
Daemonfchttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=compiz_2011_hits&num=2Mar 10 17:54
DaemonfcNvidia's proprietary driver is so full of hacks that you get to choose between a 5% performance penalty to force it to sync with AIGLXMar 10 17:54
Daemonfcor having artifacts and random crap draw to the screenMar 10 17:55
DaemonfcCompiz developers some time ago recommended ditching nvidia for nouveau Mar 10 17:55
Daemonfcproprietary drivers are fast, until they get around to panicking the kernel, freezing X, drawing weird shit to the screen, make your Wine apps malfunction in bizarre ways and breaking into jono's apartment to steal his lunch, use the toilet, and not flushMar 10 17:57
jonololMar 10 17:58
Daemonfcpoor jono, I'd hate to be jono when he has to piss all over the proverbial corn flakes of all the Ubuntu ricers that won't be able to use WaylandMar 10 17:59
Daemonfcjono: I'm curious, perhaps you can enlighten me a bit Mar 10 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @jonobacon Congrats to the OpenSuSE team for their release of OpenSuSE 11.4 - http://is.gd/rvLu6C :-) #opensuseMar 10 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Wayland For The Ubuntu Unity Desktop Redux: While there have been some battles waged recently between Canonical ... http://bit.ly/gWT7gIMar 10 18:00
DaemonfcGiven that I presume it sucks having to depend on Red Hat and Novell to make Ubuntu function, what is your diabolical master plan for when October gets here?Mar 10 18:00
Daemonfcare you going to dump proprietary driver users to X and say good luck with that?Mar 10 18:01
Daemonfcproprietary drivers = third world Ubuntu experience since they can't use WaylandMar 10 18:01
DaemonfcI figure that was the real goal in using Compiz in UnityMar 10 18:01
Daemonfcmutter does not play nice with crap driversMar 10 18:01
Daemonfcwhereas Compiz is full of hacks and work aroundsMar 10 18:02
Daemonfchiding the problems in the users system is not a solution, it's a bandage Mar 10 18:03
Daemonfceventually the hacks cause their own problemsMar 10 18:03
MinceRi thought the diabolical master plan involved monoMar 10 18:03
Daemonfcyou should really get the users thinking about what else may be wrong with the binary driversMar 10 18:03
Daemonfctell them to direct their anger at Nvidia Mar 10 18:03
Daemonfcwhen I was using nvidia I found it doing all kinds of not nice things to my systemMar 10 18:04
Daemonfcit almost makes FGLRX look like the virgin birthMar 10 18:04
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DaemonfcATI still overwrites libGL but they undo the damage when you uninstall the driverMar 10 18:05
DaemonfcNvidia not only doesn't fix their mess when they leave, they take a wrecking ball to your X.org/Mesa Mar 10 18:06
Daemonfcbasically they sabotage your system so that removing their driver means you can't use a competing one laterMar 10 18:06
Daemonfcnot without fixing a lot of files they overwroteMar 10 18:06
DaemonfcI don't like software that barges in and decides that they own my system nowMar 10 18:07
MinceRis there some script or whatever that turns an arbitrary nvidia binary driver installer into a well-behaved package?Mar 10 18:08
MinceR.deb or whateverMar 10 18:08
Daemonfcyes, Ubuntu makes it behave if you use their debMar 10 18:08
Daemonfcjudicious use of symlinkingMar 10 18:08
Daemonfcsame thing with Debian, OpenSuse, and RPM Fusion (Fedora)Mar 10 18:09
Daemonfcyou need to find a package that's made for your distro that doesn't let it get away with taking a shit all over your systemMar 10 18:09
Daemonfcthis makes custom kernels a real choreMar 10 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Tomorrow is World Day Against Cyber Censorship http://march12.rsf.org/en/ http://bit.ly/fmcA9pMar 10 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://twitter.com/PJCrowley/st... http://bit.ly/hGM2FyMar 10 18:10
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DaemonfcI still think that anyone who enabled the proprietary nvidia driver is basically throwing caution to the wind and don't care that it's opening up security problems and stability issuesMar 10 18:11
MinceRor they don't knowMar 10 18:11
MinceRor they think it's worth the performanceMar 10 18:12
Daemonfcthere's one documented case of Nvidia sitting on a Critical security problem, that they knew aboutMar 10 18:12
Daemonfcfor two yearsMar 10 18:12
MinceRafter paying for the gpu...Mar 10 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm worried I'm sickening for something. I never feel tired this early normally, but I do tonight :)Mar 10 18:12
oiaohmMS record is 10 years.   DaemonfcMar 10 18:12
oiaohm+Mar 10 18:12
oiaohmYes for a known secuirty flaw left open.Mar 10 18:12
Daemonfcyeah, the bug in the 16 bit NTVDM That Google went nuts overMar 10 18:12
oiaohmNo noMar 10 18:13
Daemonfcthose files don't exist in the 64-bit WindowsMar 10 18:13
oiaohmI was refering the the IE 6 bug where you could take complete control of the computer remotelyMar 10 18:13
oiaohmRight down at kernel level.Mar 10 18:13
MinceRand what about the autostart hole? :>Mar 10 18:14
oiaohmThat was in there since the first version IE6Mar 10 18:14
oiaohmto be correct first version of IEMar 10 18:14
DaemonfcMinceR: I've always disabled autorunMar 10 18:14
MinceRiirc they "fixed" it but even that's a halfassed "fix"Mar 10 18:14
Daemonfcit's been abused for years, even by Sony to install malwareMar 10 18:14
MinceRonly for usb mass storage or something like thatMar 10 18:14
oiaohmBasically atleast Nvidia bugs are not network reaching.Mar 10 18:15
MinceRthat hole is like 15 years old or what?Mar 10 18:15
oiaohmAlso the ping of control bug in windows.Mar 10 18:15
oiaohmVaration on ping of death.Mar 10 18:15
oiaohmReason why MS machines will not answer a ping unless you are in the same network as them.Mar 10 18:16
oiaohmBasically MS list of 10 year old take control over network are long and many.Mar 10 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Dear !lazywebs, does anyone have a suggestion of a cheap USB #Skype / #VoIP pone that works natively in #Linux?Mar 10 18:19
MinceRgnMar 10 18:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ffii/@ffii] Happy 10th anniversary! @fsfe http://fsfe.org/news/2011/news-20110310-01.en.htmlMar 10 18:20
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utsuwao/Mar 10 18:31
utsuwawhats up with the website?Mar 10 18:31
utsuwano news for severla days. schestowitz on vacation?Mar 10 18:32
cubexyzyesMar 10 18:32
utsuwaseveral*Mar 10 18:32
utsuwareally?Mar 10 18:32
cubexyzyes :)Mar 10 18:32
utsuwadid he make some kind of announcement that I missed?Mar 10 18:32
cubexyzmaybe in the logs... I didn't see anyMar 10 18:33
utsuwai cMar 10 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] OpenSUSE 11.4: SUSE Linux Revitalized http://is.gd/k0dVcI #gnu #linux #opensuseMar 10 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @nandaweiden: “Why you need #document #freedom | opensource.com” — http://ur1.ca/3gi3o #odf #office #msofficeMar 10 18:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @ggreenwald: Amnesty calls for protests against Obama administration over Bradley #Manning's treatment: http://is.gd/IGP681 !wikileaksMar 10 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Quick Look: openSUSE 11.4 http://is.gd/mKemrq #gnu #linux #microsoft #windowsMar 10 18:37
oiaohmcubexyz: Not vaction moving houseMar 10 18:37
cubexyzah okMar 10 18:38
oiaohmOk kinda a vacation just with a lot of heavy lifting.Mar 10 18:38
DaemonfcOpenLawSuit 11.4 is outMar 10 18:38
DaemonfcjoyMar 10 18:38
cubexyza not so fun vacationMar 10 18:38
oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Google-s-security-tool-infected-with-trojan-1205886.html  << It is fun watching this.Mar 10 18:39
DaemonfcI notice OpenSuse always seems to plan their key components around what the nonfree drivers supportMar 10 18:39
oiaohmIn 12 months time we should be able to really question MS we are infected due to market share.   ie Android can resist the viruses why cannot windows.Mar 10 18:39
cubexyzjust not well designedMar 10 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @meegoexperts #Nokia #N900 gets more Community love update CSSU – #Maemo http://mge.bz/5YMar 10 18:40
cubexyzeasy to use == easy to infectMar 10 18:40
cubexyzexample: plan 9 is hard to use, and never gets infectedMar 10 18:41
cubexyzplus barely anyone knows how to even use it :)Mar 10 18:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @JPBarlow: World Day Against Cyber-Censorship - 12 March 2011 http://bit.ly/ff2h7T v @Lucatoledo !wikileaks !autonomousMar 10 18:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] that bastion of all things freedom related #SaudiArabia have their Police firing on protesters http://tighturl.com/2zvhMar 10 18:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[forteller/@forteller] RT @wikileaks: Intriguing statement by State Department. Practically an endorsement. http://bit.ly/g22GV8 !wikileaksMar 10 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Why you NEED document freedom http://is.gd/qn2w1W #dfd #dfd2011 #odfMar 10 18:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] De ce îți TREBUIE libertatea documentelor http://is.gd/qn2w1W #dfd #dfd2011 #romania #office #msoffice #software #politics @mcsiromaniaMar 10 18:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Groklaw: The Sony PS3 Class File An Amended Complaint - http://bit.ly/euhWoA #sony #ps3 #linux #dmca #legalMar 10 18:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Moderating the "open source business workshop" this morning. Should be fun. http://www.scs.org.sg/event_detail.php?vieweventdetail=340 #fbMar 10 18:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "Mr Speaker, I can't listen to what was just said, so I'm going to wade through this punchline I wrote two days ago as a sound bite reply"Mar 10 19:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: @gomerx @beefymiracle I hope you win. Fedora needs more meat product oriented features.Mar 10 19:12
Daemonfcdownloading a Xubuntu daily CD for that laptop I'm going to give to my brotherMar 10 19:12
DaemonfcI wouldn't expect Ubuntu or Kubuntu to work wellMar 10 19:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] for many #Labour are still the #IllegalWar party, no amount of "we've moved on" will change that, sending Blair to the Hague is a good startMar 10 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "we moved on" doesn't even begin to cut it to make up for the lies, and lives cost both to coalition forces and IraqisMar 10 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @simonm223: Voting is not a democratic right. It is a democratic duty! #cdnpoliMar 10 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: It is not harm to legalize private activities people were doing anyway. #c32 builds respect for ©Mar 10 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @russellmcormond: @copyrightcanada References? Are you talking about real tech, or an episode of StarTrek? #C32Mar 10 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter slight correction "led by special interests" "staffed by politicians", although the ability to inflict misery is the sameMar 10 19:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms 449 tser : If I word it right, he'll kill me. http://bit.ly/et9Hl5 #amwriting #Chevenga #weblitMar 10 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: Have not received LJ comment notification in a week. Average 80+ comments per entry. Dear LJ: Fuck you with a chainsaw.Mar 10 19:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: ...I seem to have offended LJ so much with that last Tweet that it is now giving me a comment view from 1995. #wtfMar 10 19:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: Dear LJ: Stop hosting spammers and get yourself un-blacklisted, or you're going to bed with NO DESSERT.Mar 10 19:29
Daemonfcthose spam block services are really arbitraryMar 10 19:29
Daemonfcthey get one guy with a DSL line pumping out spam, so they block all of the million customers his ISP has in that stateMar 10 19:30
Daemonfcdon't call the ISP and complain, don't file a lawsuit with a discovery motionMar 10 19:30
Daemonfclets just block 999,999 innocent people over one peckerheadMar 10 19:30
Daemonfc:)Mar 10 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Here! Here! RT @davidakin Min State Gary Lunn on #Chara hit: We'd like to see #NHL take action to prevent this injury.Mar 10 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Good news, everyone! I didn't add too much sriracha to my ramen. But I did squirt it all over my side of the room #failMar 10 19:30
DaemonfcI had to get ahold of GMX and complain because their anti-spam service that they subscribe to was blocking me from sending any emailMar 10 19:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Well, if you delight in being fastidious & correct it is...RT @gregobr @TonyClement_MP Isn't it "Hear, hear"?Mar 10 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: Bradley Mannings disgraceful treatment in his own words - his lawyer releases details. http://bit.ly/fkwyeNMar 10 19:32
Daemonfcthe proper way to deal with a spammer is through the court system, not just blocking ISPs randomlyMar 10 19:32
DaemonfcHerpa derp, we blocked the whole internet, you won't get any spam now!Mar 10 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: RT @CanadiensMTL Letter from Geoff Molson to Canadiens fans. Read: http://goha.bs/eNv18hMar 10 19:34
Daemonfcinstead of using free stuff like Bogofilter, they subscribe to this junk (or make their own, like Hotmail)Mar 10 19:34
Daemonfcand it starts sorting your messages wrongMar 10 19:34
Daemonfcyes, thanks guys, every Viagra spammer gets to my inbox but a letter from my dad is junkMar 10 19:34
DaemonfcterrificMar 10 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Min. of State (Americas) Peter Kent lobbied by Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/gQ5vE7Mar 10 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @howardknopf: CSI: Bill C-32 will cost Songwriters $35 Million a Year - Question - how much gets to CDN artists? http://mwne.ws/eCCx0CMar 10 19:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] The decent, innocent couple from the One Show (ACS:Law ep) have commented on OpenBytes.Very brave people for standing up and fighting back.Mar 10 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] For those that have been following the ACS:Law story, link here: http://tinyurl.com/6yu57vsMar 10 19:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] industry double standards? I don't believe it http://tighturl.com/2zvj they say it's not, who are we to question them?Mar 10 19:47
oiaohmhttp://saveandquitgaming.com/2011/03/microsoft-lose-1-2-million-due-to-code-exploit/Mar 10 19:48
oiaohmReally MS will hid the real figure here.Mar 10 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] gonna have to find a suitable place to put the "authors against DRM" logo #thinkingcap http://tighturl.com/2zvlMar 10 19:49
Daemonfcthat the $1.2 Million dollars was just in Monopoly Money?Mar 10 19:51
Daemonfc:)Mar 10 19:51
Daemonfcand that they'll be OKMar 10 19:51
Daemonfchow do you lose money when people are using sequences of numbers and letter to claim 1's and 0's?Mar 10 19:52
Daemonfcthat just makes no sense, maybe the RIAA can explain it better than I couldMar 10 19:52
Daemonfc:DMar 10 19:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @quaid: New blog post: Pondering why KDE, GNOME, ASF et al get so many GSoC projects http://bit.ly/fKdZrfMar 10 19:54
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DaemonFCBethesda stock plummets, h4x0rs find ways to download free horse armorMar 10 19:55
DaemonFCthe horror, the HORROR!Mar 10 19:55
DaemonFC:)Mar 10 19:55
oiaohmDaemonFC: The bit you miss is MS online store on xbox 360 has no clause that they don't have to pay the software makers for fraud purchases.Mar 10 19:56
DaemonFCmaybe it will nowMar 10 19:56
oiaohmSo the question is how much was spent.Mar 10 19:56
DaemonFClet other people hold the bag for MS fuckupsMar 10 19:56
DaemonFCwouldn't be newMar 10 19:56
oiaohmBut at under a few million its not going to kill MS.Mar 10 19:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Gaddafi's son took oil from Libyan field http://alturl.com/3b82c !wlMar 10 19:57
DaemonFCjono used his MS Moolah to download DRM'd WMVs of Justin BieberMar 10 19:58
DaemonFCthat's OK, live and let liveMar 10 19:58
DaemonFChe knows people, pulls stringsMar 10 19:59
oiaohmProblem here DaemonFC MS needs the app providers.Mar 10 19:59
DaemonFCgets Windows 7 Ultimate, SweatyB signature editionMar 10 19:59
oiaohmWithout them they don't have a platform with xbox 360Mar 10 19:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Humanitarian free and open source software in the local community by @lhawthorn | http://bit.ly/hGiaDq #FOSS #collaborationMar 10 20:00
DaemonFCbored, might build a -next kernelMar 10 20:04
DaemonFCho humMar 10 20:04
DaemonFCI have my KConfig sufficiently pruned down that it shouldn't fail building for something I don't even needMar 10 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] any entry level CPU / grapghics cards problematic on #Linux these days?Mar 10 20:09
DaemonFCXFS has seen a major overhaul latelyMar 10 20:09
DaemonFCplus the latest Radeon code would be nice to haveMar 10 20:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange's "Big Picture" letter to Nicky Hager (NZ) from 2007 http://alturl.com/68ydg !wlMar 10 20:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Lista comunităților #Linux #dinromania, actualizată http://is.gd/z7OGb3 !slm !romanianfreesoftware !informaticalacastel #gnu #software #freeMar 10 20:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] apparently i3 is fine in 33 kernel and above, and shared chipset is also generally fineMar 10 20:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LibreOffice 3.3.2 Release Candidate 1 available http://is.gd/R8gk4l #lo #libreoffice #office #msoffice #ooo #microsoft #windowsMar 10 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks Sebut Presiden Yudhoyono Salah Gunakan Kekuasaan http://is.gd/x3tUoA !wlMar 10 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] bit-trip is awesomely addictive!Mar 10 20:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] We missed this hilarious, and true story, about Assange gate-crashing a US embassy cocktail party http://is.gd/KXHiXM !wlMar 10 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] realistically. I'm pretty settled into Mint and LMDE so as much as I "can" switch, actually switching is not all that likelyMar 10 20:49
DaemonFCNow this from that dumbassMar 10 21:02
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTE5OAMar 10 21:02
DaemonFCDeclare the Fusion open source driver deadMar 10 21:02
DaemonFCUpdate: Ubuntu just doesn't ship the firmwareMar 10 21:02
DaemonFCoopsMar 10 21:02
DaemonFCwhat a retardMar 10 21:02
DaemonFCthe Fusion E-350 has always worked on Fedora 14Mar 10 21:03
DaemonFCall he would have to do to see this was a deficiency in Ubuntu is boot a Fedora CDMar 10 21:03
DaemonFCor go grab the firmware himself and stick it in where Ubuntu's kernel would load itMar 10 21:03
DaemonFCshock jockeys will do or say anything to get attentionMar 10 21:04
DaemonFCthat way more people load more of his advertisingMar 10 21:04
DaemonFCif the E-350 isn't working in Ubuntu, go ask...jono why they decided to fuck over everyone with the deviceMar 10 21:05
DaemonFCthe device's driver is as stableMar 10 21:05
oiaohmI have firmware for a wireless card that refused to load under UbuntuMar 10 21:06
oiaohmAnd releated.Mar 10 21:06
oiaohmBut any non related distribution to Ubuntu works it perfectly.Mar 10 21:06
DaemonFCI build my own kernels, I don't trust Ubuntu's kernel any further than I could throw jonoMar 10 21:06
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 21:06
DaemonFCevery time I hit a kernel bug on an Ubuntu system, it turns out to be one of their broken patches that caused itMar 10 21:07
oiaohmFailure to work with upstream.Mar 10 21:07
oiaohmThe pain will just keep on increase.Mar 10 21:07
DaemonFCtheir kernel is already an 11 MB diff patch against mainlineMar 10 21:08
DaemonFCthat can't be goodMar 10 21:08
oiaohmIntersting that firefox lived threw the first day of pwn2own but IE did not.Mar 10 21:08
DaemonFCwhy is that interesting?Mar 10 21:08
DaemonFClow hanging fruitMar 10 21:08
oiaohmYes firefox is lacking a sandbox so in theory should be a softer target.Mar 10 21:08
DaemonFCit's not that Firefox is secureMar 10 21:08
DaemonFCit's that IE is less secureMar 10 21:08
oiaohmIt still proves that IE build teams are still incompetent.Mar 10 21:09
DaemonFCwhat makes me laugh is how Crapple always rushes out a bazillion security patches ahead of Pwn2Own and they always get taken down first anywayMar 10 21:09
DaemonFCthe lack of security in OS X is mind bogglingMar 10 21:09
DaemonFCit gets taken down faster than WindowsMar 10 21:10
oiaohmNo.   The extra money on the table helps.Mar 10 21:10
oiaohmFunny enough chrome did not even get tested the first day.  DaemonFCMar 10 21:10
DaemonFCwhy bother?Mar 10 21:10
oiaohmThe person who was planing on attacking did not even turn up.Mar 10 21:10
DaemonFCnice juicy targets right over there (IE, Firefox, Safai)Mar 10 21:10
DaemonFC*SafariMar 10 21:11
oiaohmReally I don't know why you would both going to pwn2own in the first place.Mar 10 21:11
DaemonFCwhy go after the only browser with a real security model?Mar 10 21:11
oiaohmThe number of bugs you need to win you most like make more momey with firefox and chrome report them straight up.Mar 10 21:11
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oiaohmthen be albe to by a device as new never touched by anyone else who is majorally evil.Mar 10 21:11
DaemonFCyeah, Google and Firefox have some tempting bug bountiesMar 10 21:12
DaemonFCI like Chromium for a secure browser at this pointMar 10 21:12
GoForbes28What do you think Glyn and Thistle would say if I suggest that I host TechBytes this week?Mar 10 21:12
GoForbes28I think thoughts towards questionable sanity?Mar 10 21:12
DaemonFCI don't know why I go to lengths to keep AppArmor workingMar 10 21:13
DaemonFCit usually just stops me from doing something I need to doMar 10 21:13
GoForbes28I would use SRWare Iron, just for peace of mindMar 10 21:13
oiaohmDaemonFC: Really I want Firefox vs ChromeMar 10 21:13
oiaohmA single browser at the top allows them to get lazy.Mar 10 21:13
DaemonFCGoForbes28: Chromium doesn't have the Google crapware or the scary Google EULAMar 10 21:13
DaemonFCI always tell people use ChromiumMar 10 21:14
GoForbes28Yeah, and SRWare has all possible spying features turned off, and built in adblock and user agent switch to bootMar 10 21:14
DaemonFCthe PPA versions of Chromium and the one provided by Tom Callaway for Fedora are compiled with the same optimization options and security settings Google uses for ChromeMar 10 21:14
GoForbes28Doesn't chromium still have freedom licencing issues?Mar 10 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @rsandu: LibreOffice 3.3.2 Release Candidate 1 available http://is.gd/R8gk4l #lo #libreoffice #office #msoffice #ooo #microsoft #windowsMar 10 21:15
DaemonFCChromium is better because you don't agree that Google can sell you down the river just for starting the applicationMar 10 21:15
DaemonFCno, it's mostly BSD-style licensesMar 10 21:15
DaemonFCit's free softwareMar 10 21:16
GoForbes28so is SRWare Iron, which goes a few steps furtherMar 10 21:16
DaemonFCGoogle's EULA at one point was fairly vague about what information they could collect and what they could do with itMar 10 21:16
GoForbes28http://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#chromium-browserMar 10 21:16
GoForbes28"Description: Freed version of googles Chrome Web browser Mar 10 21:17
GoForbes28Homepage: http://www.chromium.org/Home Mar 10 21:17
GoForbes28Problem: (1) Copyright or license of some code is unclearMar 10 21:17
GoForbes28(2) Links to proprietary plugins. Mar 10 21:17
GoForbes28Recommended Fix: Remove the package Mar 10 21:17
GoForbes28References: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291 Mar 10 21:17
GoForbes28Copyright file: http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/LICENSE?revision=HEAD&view=markup Mar 10 21:17
GoForbes28(Source) package name(s): chromium-browser"Mar 10 21:17
DaemonFCit was worded o poorly that for example, if I typed up a blog post and hit submit, it belonged to GoogleMar 10 21:17
DaemonFCanything you posted anywhere, the copyright was assigned to Google because you used ChromeMar 10 21:17
DaemonFCthey fixed that though after users complained enoughMar 10 21:17
DaemonFClinking to nonfree software does not make the software nonfreeMar 10 21:18
GoForbes28It doesn't look like  all the issues I posted were resolvedMar 10 21:18
DaemonFCthe FSF has used that as a flimsy excuse to not recommend GoogleMar 10 21:18
DaemonFCerrr DebianMar 10 21:18
DaemonFC*tiredMar 10 21:18
DaemonFCDebian doesn't advertise the nonfree repos, they are not enabled by default, and they explicitly do not support themMar 10 21:19
DaemonFCthey're there for users who need some nonfree software and go slightly out of their way to get itMar 10 21:19
DaemonFCit doesn't make Debian less freeMar 10 21:19
DaemonFCUbuntu, on the other hand..... advertises itMar 10 21:20
DaemonFCsuggests the user get itMar 10 21:20
DaemonFCand says they support it, even though they obviously can'tMar 10 21:20
DaemonFCyou tell me which one of those is free or notMar 10 21:20
GoForbes28RMS has said himself that he appreciates what Google does for the Free software communityMar 10 21:20
GoForbes28He just doesn't throw caution to the wind, and neither do I.Mar 10 21:21
GoForbes28Besides, we're not talking about Debian here, we're talking about ChromiumMar 10 21:21
GoForbes28and I believe Chromium does recommend proprietary pluginsMar 10 21:21
GoForbes28Similar to what Firefox doesMar 10 21:21
DaemonFClinking to nonfree software doesn't make you nonfreeMar 10 21:22
DaemonFChe uses this in his anti-BSD harassmentMar 10 21:22
DaemonFCrepeatedlyMar 10 21:22
GoForbes28But it hinders having a totally Free systemMar 10 21:22
DaemonFCOpenBSD is more free than GnewSenseMar 10 21:22
DaemonFCbut the FSF considers it nonfreeMar 10 21:22
GoForbes28Well, it does have proprietary blobs, soMar 10 21:22
DaemonFCOpenBSD audits their licenses more carefully than Gnewsense doesMar 10 21:23
GoForbes28Depends on how you define FreeMar 10 21:23
DaemonFCGnewsense has ended up having nonfree software in their repo numerous timesMar 10 21:23
DaemonFCincluding afioMar 10 21:23
DaemonFCalmost every time you find out a piece of "free" software actually isn't, it's almost always in the "100% totally free" Linux distrosMar 10 21:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 if I'm working it out, this is a chat thing?Mar 10 21:24
GoForbes28They also have less people tooMar 10 21:24
GoForbes28Trisquel seems to do betterMar 10 21:24
GoForbes28As I was sayingMar 10 21:24
DaemonFCI think it's ridiculous to say 100% totally freeMar 10 21:24
GoForbes28yes, giving you the freedom to do whatever you want is freedomMar 10 21:24
DaemonFCthere is no system that's 100% totally free that a human would want to useMar 10 21:24
GoForbes28but I also think it is important to maintain the freedom for othersMar 10 21:25
DaemonFCGnewsense wouldn't work for me because almost every piece of non-trivial hardware needs firmware to function, and that firmware is usually redistributable, but not freeMar 10 21:25
GoForbes28Trisquel works just fine for meMar 10 21:25
GoForbes28I bought a laptop without a need for firmwareMar 10 21:26
GoForbes28I researched and chose carefullyMar 10 21:26
oiaohmGoForbes28: there is still firmwareMar 10 21:26
GoForbes28and besides, Gnewsense is a lost cause anywayMar 10 21:26
GoForbes28Yeah, but it isn't propreitaryMar 10 21:26
oiaohmDifference between firmware loaded by OS and firmware in a rom chip somewhere.  GoForbes28Mar 10 21:26
GoForbes28at least on the software sideMar 10 21:26
GoForbes28well, there isMar 10 21:26
GoForbes28That I can't controlMar 10 21:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we have an IRC channel which will be announced when the site is, maybe something for the future, not sure about nowMar 10 21:27
oiaohmBasically no matter what a computer will contain some closed source unless you are the maker.Mar 10 21:27
oiaohmOf everything in it.Mar 10 21:27
oiaohmIn one way loadable fireware is better.  GoForbes28Mar 10 21:28
oiaohmsimple to update in case of secuirty issues and a better possiblity to clone.Mar 10 21:28
GoForbes28Loadable firmware?Mar 10 21:28
GoForbes28Yes, I know the BIOS isn't freeMar 10 21:28
GoForbes28I know I would have to get a Lemote Yeelong or a OLPCMar 10 21:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 have you used psi for a project yourself? I have something else currently in embryonic stage which may have a use for itMar 10 21:29
oiaohmBIOS core some board can be got with corebiosMar 10 21:30
oiaohmIts normally other things like firewire ports and other times you don't have the firmware to and cannot replace in a lot of cases.Mar 10 21:31
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GoForbes28I don't have firewire, therefore it isn't a problemMar 10 21:31
GoForbes28USB works fine for meMar 10 21:31
oiaohmNice when you had the firewire bug in a mahcine where you could plug in a special firewire device and override the OS secuirty.Mar 10 21:31
GoForbes28Well, good thing I don't use itMar 10 21:32
oiaohmthere have been other cases of hardware devices with issues like that.Mar 10 21:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] misleading adverts, astroturfing, all standard tools of the trade these days sadly :( http://tighturl.com/2zvqMar 10 21:32
GoForbes28Oh wait, we can't call it firewire less we violate Apple's intellectual inventoryMar 10 21:32
oiaohmNot a direct driver fault but a firewareMar 10 21:32
GoForbes28IE 1394Mar 10 21:32
oiaohmfirmwareMar 10 21:33
GoForbes28*IEEE 1394Mar 10 21:33
oiaohmThere have been a few network cards as well break the firmware write where you like in OS memory.Mar 10 21:33
oiaohmIE os netural complete secuirty shot.Mar 10 21:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 yes, I'm building it, we have a matching irc channel too, both will be launched / announced together for people to join usMar 10 21:34
GoForbes28The software that comes with Samsung monitors has been known to overwrite firmware pertaining to Laptop internal monitors, rendering them non-functionalMar 10 21:34
GoForbes28nice eh?Mar 10 21:34
oiaohmThat is where loadable firmware designs as so so good.Mar 10 21:35
oiaohmIe one static firmware that starts the deviceMar 10 21:35
GoForbes28I actually installed said software once, it caused flickering and other odd events, uninstalled it, and the problems went awayMar 10 21:35
oiaohmthen you load the correction each boot.Mar 10 21:35
GoForbes28So I guess I was one of the lucky onesMar 10 21:35
GoForbes28BTW, you happen to see my dent on the stupid Windows 8 leaks?Mar 10 21:35
oiaohmSo if you screw it up.Mar 10 21:35
oiaohmClear the OS you are fine.Mar 10 21:35
GoForbes28Those were the daysMar 10 21:35
oiaohmI have not seen what has happened to your dent on Windows 8 leaksMar 10 21:36
GoForbes28nothing has happened to it?Mar 10 21:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 all 3 of us are busy with different things recently too, so time together to work out and plan has been sparseMar 10 21:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] not quite sure #Apple want associated with this image http://tighturl.com/2zvr not exactly the fit, trendy, go-getter lifestyle they sellMar 10 21:37
oiaohmI have not even been near Windows 8 leaksMar 10 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 lol your more than welcome to come on the show if you likeMar 10 21:39
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GoForbes28LetMar 10 21:40
GoForbes28s find that dent.Mar 10 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I can imagine #Apple lawyers sending out a C&D on the term, demanding it be called something elseMar 10 21:40
Ender2070im grabbing opensuse 11.4 kdeMar 10 21:41
oiaohmMost of the Windows 8 leaks will be PR attempts to get people dancy and willing to buyMar 10 21:41
Ender2070im curious how it compares against fedoraMar 10 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we have been very erratic in recording times, I've missed a couple of eps due to an off the cuff "lets record" & I'm not in IRCMar 10 21:42
GoForbes28ah there we areMar 10 21:42
GoForbes28"goforbes28 Mar 10 21:42
GoForbes28Look at these drastic Win8 enhancements![/sarcasm] (http://tinyurl.com/69zeq65) A folder-UP button. Wow! (http://tinyurl.com/5uqzmtz) Mar 10 21:42
GoForbes28about a day ago  from web at Ontario, Canada"Mar 10 21:42
GoForbes28Ender2070: Please don't insult Fedora like that. ;)Mar 10 21:43
DaemonFCby enhacements you mean mock upsMar 10 21:43
GoForbes28yeahMar 10 21:43
GoForbes28hence the sarcasmMar 10 21:43
oiaohmGoForbes28: Really I wish distribution would start supporting ksplice out box.Mar 10 21:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we do currently record in a skype conference, when we get more time to explore we'll try to switch to something freeMar 10 21:44
oiaohmSo restart not required.Mar 10 21:44
GoForbes28if anybody believes they are enhancements, there is a bad case of delusion going aboutMar 10 21:44
oiaohmGoForbes28: Is a sign of MS deperation.Mar 10 21:44
GoForbes28Ksplice?Mar 10 21:44
oiaohmTrying to work out how to make Windows 8 sell.Mar 10 21:44
GoForbes28Pouring salt on the wounds...Mar 10 21:45
GoForbes28http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss128/technoarea/ClassicShell.png&imgrefurl=http://technoarea.co.cc/customize-windows-vistas-7s-windows-explorer-using-classic-shell/&usg=__6fIqcWc5RTyZcInsi6M9RDDTD4s=&h=647&w=715&sz=86&hl=en&start=2&sig2=E-qFk8OtrfBKKeLpqDVtTw&zoom=1&itbs=1&tbnid=hLiieoruUHT9WM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=140&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dclassic%2Bshell%2Bup%2Bbutton%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26gbv%3D2%26tbMar 10 21:45
GoForbes28=qIx5Tfe9JMOtqgGYwtWhBwMar 10 21:45
GoForbes28urgh, try againMar 10 21:45
GoForbes28http://i568.photobucket.com/albums/ss128/technoarea/ClassicShell.pngMar 10 21:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 we also don't edit, the whole thing goes out uncutMar 10 21:45
Ender2070[21:43] <GoForbes28> Ender2070: Please don't insult Fedora like that. ;)Mar 10 21:45
oiaohmhttp://www.ksplice.com/whyMar 10 21:45
Ender2070competition is goodMar 10 21:45
oiaohmKspice is infact a open source solution GoForbes28Mar 10 21:46
oiaohmThat allows you to patch Linux kernel in place.Mar 10 21:46
oiaohmSo yes if every feature Linux had on offer was being used by distrobutions there is no reason for a Linux to ever need a reboot.Mar 10 21:46
GoForbes28coolMar 10 21:46
GoForbes28Now that's innovationMar 10 21:46
GoForbes28Ender2070: Yes, but Microsoft isn't competitionMar 10 21:47
oiaohmGoForbes28: Its only 8 years old.Mar 10 21:47
GoForbes28Ubuntu is competitionMar 10 21:47
oiaohmGoForbes28: Its not new.Mar 10 21:47
GoForbes28Debian is competitionMar 10 21:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 I'll fire it onto mint for a quick chat, so we can test itMar 10 21:47
oiaohmGoForbes28: and unix's were doing like ksplice in the 1980~Mar 10 21:48
oiaohmBasically if MS would basically just catch up a lot of people would be thinking new features.Mar 10 21:48
oiaohmOf course Linux servers are also aiming to get boot times down in to the seconds.Mar 10 21:49
GoForbes28Or if MS went bust, which is preferable since they demonstrate no evidence of evolutionMar 10 21:49
Ender2070[21:47] <GoForbes28> Ender2070: Yes, but Microsoft isn't competitionMar 10 21:49
Ender2070opensuse isn't microsoftMar 10 21:50
oiaohmopensuse and Novell do dispute.Mar 10 21:50
oiaohmA lot.Mar 10 21:50
oiaohmThere are a lot of things done differently in opensuse compared to suseMar 10 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just fixed the tags and stacked a lotta #Radiohead onto my mp3 playerMar 10 21:50
Ender2070yupMar 10 21:50
oiaohmGoForbes28: basically don't mix opensuse up with suse they have different management.Mar 10 21:51
GoForbes28They should just fork FFS before they are too late, like OpenSolarisMar 10 21:51
DaemonFCOpenSuse KDE isn't half badMar 10 21:51
GoForbes28oiaohm: I don't think I ever mixed them upMar 10 21:51
oiaohmSolaris still have a few minor tech advantages over LinuxMar 10 21:52
GoForbes28or bring up opensuse for that matter :SMar 10 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 well, that saves hassle, it's already in the mint / ubuntu reposMar 10 21:52
oiaohmBut its offset by all the other techadvantages Linux has.Mar 10 21:52
oiaohmits fun watching the BSD guys scream over HAL disappearing.Mar 10 21:52
GoForbes28uh, oiaohm, can you respond to my comment?Mar 10 21:53
Ender207011.4 has firefox 4 evenMar 10 21:53
GoForbes28mehMar 10 21:53
GoForbes28I never considered things like that "features"Mar 10 21:53
GoForbes28Anybody can install Firefox 4Mar 10 21:53
Ender2070yeah they canMar 10 21:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 both, I installed psi+Mar 10 21:54
Ender2070but opensuse integrates firefox with kdeMar 10 21:54
GoForbes28If you have a shitty OS with the GIMP, I wouldn't call the GIMP a featureMar 10 21:54
Ender2070they support the patchesMar 10 21:54
GoForbes28Intergrate is what way?Mar 10 21:54
oiaohmGoForbes28: Sorry I took context wrong at one point.   Where Ender2070 and your windows 8 leaks overlaped.Mar 10 21:54
GoForbes28Is it a different implementation from the quasi-GTK mess?Mar 10 21:54
GoForbes28oiaohm: No problem :)Mar 10 21:55
Ender2070uses the kde file dialogMar 10 21:55
Ender2070giving it KIO supportMar 10 21:55
Ender2070kde device mappings will then workMar 10 21:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] another brainfart of @markshuttlecock?Mar 10 21:55
Ender2070libreofficeMar 10 21:55
Ender2070kde 4.6Mar 10 21:56
GoForbes28Well, I personally don't care for KDE, so it isn't a big selling point for meMar 10 21:56
oiaohmGoForbes28: MS counts OS installed applications in there windows feature listMar 10 21:56
GoForbes28Plus, OpenSUSE strikes me as bloatedMar 10 21:56
GoForbes28oiaohm: Don't remind meMar 10 21:56
Ender2070Firefox integration in KDE Plasma, using native file dialogs, oxygen styling (also for GTK applications) and respecting the user’s mail client and browser choices.Mar 10 21:56
oiaohmGoForbes28: All C++ programs are bloated due to current gcc issues.Mar 10 21:57
GoForbes28Billy G: "But they're not applications!!  They are components of Windows!!!11"Mar 10 21:57
GoForbes28oiaohm: XFCE seems pretty unbloated right nowMar 10 21:57
oiaohmXFCE last time I looked is C.  GoForbes28Mar 10 21:57
GoForbes28I prefer medium-light distrosMar 10 21:57
GoForbes28oiaohm: XFCE wins againMar 10 21:58
GoForbes28oiaohm: The only thing better would be something programmed in assembly ;)Mar 10 21:58
oiaohmGoForbes28: gcc 4.6 will cut some pounds off everything if distributions use it right.Mar 10 21:58
Ender2070im wondering what version of gcc this usesMar 10 21:58
oiaohmgcc 4.4 introduces whole program optMar 10 21:58
oiaohmgcc 4.6 has whole program opt that works.Mar 10 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 alrighty, logged in but can't find any options for setting up the mic / headsetMar 10 21:59
Ender207011.3 had gcc 4.5Mar 10 21:59
GoForbes28oiaohm: But XFCE will still have a perfomance advantage?Mar 10 22:01
GoForbes28OK, before we continue with the conversation(s), here's a bit of comic relief, free of chargeMar 10 22:02
GoForbes28http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_IknPfSHrHug/TD5E4Z8WK4I/AAAAAAAABW4/i6L2kVjg4To/s1600/Ignatieff_cheese_763841artw.jpgMar 10 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] A little comic relief for tough times: http://tinyurl.com/4e2kxkgMar 10 22:04
oiaohmGoForbes28: some places XFCE is slower than KDE.Mar 10 22:07
GoForbes28oiaohm: Blasphamy!Mar 10 22:07
oiaohmGoForbes28: due to XFCE not taking advantage of the GPU that has at least 16 times the processing power of you cpu.Mar 10 22:07
GoForbes28I pretty sure the latest version of XFCE has hardware desktop compositingMar 10 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] @goforbes28 Hmm cheese!Mar 10 22:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 on what tab? I can't see any reference to voiceMar 10 22:09
oiaohmGoForbes28: No it don't.Mar 10 22:09
oiaohmGoForbes28: And yes it need to get it at some point.Mar 10 22:09
GoForbes28it has compositing, I find it hard to believe it isn't acceleratedMar 10 22:09
DaemonFCmake localmodconfig is kind of neat :)Mar 10 22:10
oiaohmKDE basic window drawing is accelerated.  GoForbes28Mar 10 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks cables: Indonesian President Yudhoyono is deeply corrupt http://alturl.com/3tpa8 !wlMar 10 22:10
DaemonFCit detects the kernel modules that nothing is using and removes them from your configMar 10 22:11
oiaohmGoForbes28: XFCE is using compositing just to move blocks of data around.  Not to transform them.Mar 10 22:11
DaemonFCI notice that this way I end up building 420 modules instead of like 2100 Mar 10 22:11
GoForbes28http://customisinglife.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/enabling-xfwms-compositor/Mar 10 22:11
oiaohmie XFCE usage you video card could be almost completely dumb and make no difference.Mar 10 22:11
GoForbes28"To my understanding the compositor does not have a software fallback."Mar 10 22:12
DaemonFCyou can use compiz on top of XFCE you know? :)Mar 10 22:12
GoForbes28yesMar 10 22:12
oiaohmGoForbes28: those are really basic operations.Mar 10 22:12
GoForbes28In XFCE case, I think it is more akin to Windows' GDI++, which provide hardware acceleration to make everything smoother in lieu of special effectsMar 10 22:12
oiaohmGoForbes28: QT off loads a lot of 2d drawing to opengl.Mar 10 22:13
oiaohmSo Qt can draw straight on the compesited memory.Mar 10 22:13
DaemonFCIn Windows, WDM wraps around GDI+Mar 10 22:13
DaemonFCyou can address WDM directly but few things actually doMar 10 22:13
oiaohmBasically why composite if you toolkits cannot draw directly on composite surfaces.   GoForbes28Mar 10 22:14
DaemonFCGDI+ is legacy crap that just won't dieMar 10 22:14
GoForbes28Actually, it shouldn't die right now, because 99% of general Windows Apps use itMar 10 22:14
DaemonFCthat's why it's thereMar 10 22:15
DaemonFCas long as it's there, everyone will be lazy and keep using itMar 10 22:15
GoForbes28meaning that Windows 7, with it's lack of GDI+ acceleration, actually has much worse performanceMar 10 22:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft can never deprecate it eitherMar 10 22:15
GoForbes28In other words, no one is satisfiedMar 10 22:15
DaemonFCthey're stuck with itMar 10 22:15
GoForbes28yepMar 10 22:15
oiaohmReally MS is stupid.Mar 10 22:15
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GoForbes28so for the sheep, they make the experience as painful as possibleMar 10 22:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 that must be a plugin you;re using, I can't find itMar 10 22:15
oiaohmThey have deprecated API in past.Mar 10 22:15
oiaohmThe smart way is to provide a new API and let the old API die out.Mar 10 22:16
DaemonFCthey usually won't deprecate something that lots of things actually useMar 10 22:16
DaemonFCand if they do, they usually put out migration toolsMar 10 22:16
DaemonFCVB to VB.NET is rather painlessMar 10 22:17
DaemonFCso VB is deprecatedMar 10 22:17
GoForbes28hey, this is the same company that made IE6 a dependency, FFSMar 10 22:17
DaemonFCyeah, now IE is lugging around several rendering engines and broken JScript interpretersMar 10 22:17
GoForbes28Yes, but the GDI+ to whateverthehelltheuse isn't a transitionMar 10 22:18
DaemonFClest something breakMar 10 22:18
oiaohmMS plan was by now to be Nuking the NT line.Mar 10 22:18
GoForbes28it's handle so badly that it is a critical flaw of the system that the fanboy just shrug offMar 10 22:18
oiaohmAnd we would be running a .net based OS.Mar 10 22:18
oiaohmThat kinda did not work.Mar 10 22:18
DaemonFCI think they should have dropped IE 6 compatibility and told the broken websites to deal with itMar 10 22:18
GoForbes28And replace with magical theoretical OS?Mar 10 22:18
oiaohmGoForbes28: Its not a theoretical OS.Mar 10 22:19
GoForbes28Doesn't exist, it's vapourwareMar 10 22:19
DaemonFCa lot of companies bitch that their stupid crufty old intranet is busted if they upgrade IEMar 10 22:19
GoForbes28And a .net operating systemMar 10 22:19
DaemonFCso they never do :)Mar 10 22:19
GoForbes28Are they insane?Mar 10 22:19
GoForbes28See how well a Java OS is doing?Mar 10 22:19
GoForbes28Morons.Mar 10 22:19
oiaohmhttp://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/singularity/  << their is the prototype.  GoForbes28Mar 10 22:20
GoForbes28Talk about slowMar 10 22:20
GoForbes28On the plus side, reverse engineering would be a snapMar 10 22:20
oiaohmAnd Windows Phone 7 is also trying to force in that direction.Mar 10 22:20
oiaohmGoForbes28: application containment and hidden intergrated drm would also be a snap.Mar 10 22:21
GoForbes28and doing a poor job.Mar 10 22:21
DaemonFCan OS in C# is not going to happen outside of a basically functionless noveltyMar 10 22:21
GoForbes28Meh, someone would crack the DRMMar 10 22:21
oiaohmsingularity was interesting.Mar 10 22:21
GoForbes28WPF is terribleMar 10 22:21
oiaohmIt was the first ms .net to contain a .net to native code complier.Mar 10 22:21
GoForbes28oiaohm: In mind, still vapourwareMar 10 22:21
oiaohmIe means to spit out native binaries.Mar 10 22:21
GoForbes28wipdee-dooMar 10 22:22
oiaohmGoForbes28: You can download singularity build it and run it.  Mar 10 22:22
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oiaohmGoForbes28: vapourware says you cannot do even that.Mar 10 22:22
GoForbes28and how far does that go in terms of basic functionalityMar 10 22:22
DaemonFCwhat's funny is thanks to .NET disassemblers, anyone who tries to make anything in any .NET language is exposing their source codeMar 10 22:22
DaemonFCyou really think Microsoft is going to make an OS with it?Mar 10 22:22
GoForbes28I referenced thatMar 10 22:22
GoForbes28C'mon, you think Microsoft is stupid?Mar 10 22:23
GoForbes28uh..Mar 10 22:23
oiaohmDaemonFC: Ms did release a watch containing singularity.Mar 10 22:23
GoForbes28a watchMar 10 22:23
GoForbes28wowMar 10 22:23
GoForbes28bet it was damned revolutionaryMar 10 22:23
oiaohmGoForbes28: this why I am saying not vaporware.Mar 10 22:24
oiaohmGoForbes28: You can guess how it sold.Mar 10 22:24
oiaohmIe it did not.Mar 10 22:24
GoForbes28ok, technically not vapourwareMar 10 22:24
GoForbes28but given the amount of half-ideas out of M$ these days, I think we made to expand the definitionMar 10 22:25
oiaohmTechically is a failed product.Mar 10 22:25
GoForbes28a useless nothing is still vapourMar 10 22:25
oiaohmThe watch was a phone watch to be a revelution in comunications.Mar 10 22:25
oiaohmIe KIN mark 1Mar 10 22:25
oiaohmKIN phone followed it.Mar 10 22:25
GoForbes28yeah, a revolution in ineptnessMar 10 22:26
oiaohmNow we have WP7 trying to keep the .net on mobiles alive to hopefully allow .net on desktops to take off.Mar 10 22:26
oiaohmI am not seeing good odds of anything of this working.Mar 10 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 it needs the psimedia addonMar 10 22:27
oiaohmReally its not ineptness  Ms could see arm being a major player coming.Mar 10 22:28
oiaohmMS could see lot of there applications would not work accress cpu types.Mar 10 22:29
GoForbes28As DaemonFC said, .net in an OS would only possibly kinda work on a phone, because it can be locked downMar 10 22:29
GoForbes28Of course, saying "work" is being generous :)Mar 10 22:29
oiaohmMS was hoping for .net to save there ass.Mar 10 22:29
oiaohmYet the complete time MS has failed to get software makers onboard.Mar 10 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 I have it set, you are freakzoid right?Mar 10 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 yep, I guessed that was you on my buddy listMar 10 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @goforbes28 appanrtly your offline, or not authorised, I dont use jabber normallyMar 10 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler Now the nosedive begins 4 Nokia...Mar 10 22:34
GoForbes28I think Sony Vegas is one of the few that hasMar 10 22:36
GoForbes28and even then, only partiallyMar 10 22:36
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oiaohmGoForbes28: Sony Vages is not the top in its field.  Lightworks that is plan is to be cross platform without .netMar 10 22:42
GoForbes28"Open source" since 1989?Mar 10 22:45
GoForbes28Really?Mar 10 22:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ghostler No one who goes to bed with M$ leaves the bed well. It's like a std in the day after. And many die of it.Mar 10 22:45
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oiaohmGoForbes28: Open source since 1989 refering to what.Mar 10 22:47
DaemonFCin an ideal world, all software would be free and open sourceMar 10 22:54
DaemonFCin an ideal world there would also be no rape, murder, kidnappings, or child molesters Mar 10 22:55
DaemonFCtake home point, not a perfect worldMar 10 22:55
DaemonFCthe fact that these firmware blobs are proprietary really makes no sense most of the time anywayMar 10 22:56
DaemonFCwhat trade secret is Realtek keeping in making integrated NIC firmware a blob?Mar 10 22:56
oiaohmCheats on benchmarking.  DaemonFCMar 10 22:58
oiaohmAlso some of the hardware is badly design secuirty wise.Mar 10 22:59
oiaohmSo if you can do what ever you want you could basically run a hidden virus there.Mar 10 22:59
GoForbes28sorryMar 10 23:02
GoForbes28still hereMar 10 23:02
GoForbes28oiaohm: from wikipedia:Mar 10 23:02
GoForbes28LightworksDeveloper(s)EditShare LLCMar 10 23:02
GoForbes28Initial release1989Mar 10 23:02
GoForbes28Stable release1.3 / January 2009; 2 years agoMar 10 23:02
GoForbes28Operating systemMicrosoft WindowsMar 10 23:02
GoForbes28TypeNon-linear editing systemMar 10 23:02
GoForbes28LicenseOpen SourceMar 10 23:02
GoForbes28Websiteeditshare.com ? LightworksMar 10 23:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] José Padilha vai dirigir o remake de Robocop... Não sei se choro ou se rio...Mar 10 23:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms : It is Kallijas who does it http://bit.ly/et9Hl5 #Chevenga #weblit #reading #scifiMar 10 23:10
oiaohmLightworks started life as a closed source product GoForbes28Mar 10 23:11
oiaohmEditshare is quite a major server producer for high end production.  There servers are Linux based.Mar 10 23:12
oiaohmThere objective by aquiring Lightworks is to get a good video editor on Linux.Mar 10 23:13
GoForbes28Aren't there already some good editors?Mar 10 23:14
oiaohmNot in lightworks class.  GoForbes28Mar 10 23:15
GoForbes28What stage of development is it at?Mar 10 23:16
oiaohmBinary for windows is released of course.  Source code is in legal department of course to be completely audited by middle of year.Mar 10 23:16
oiaohmBinary for windows is released free of course.Mar 10 23:16
oiaohmSo something better than Sony Vagas for nothing for windows users at moment.Mar 10 23:17
oiaohmLightworks is able for most operations do them realtime.   GoForbes28Mar 10 23:18
GoForbes28are there screenshot?Mar 10 23:19
GoForbes28sMar 10 23:19
oiaohmhttp://www.lightworksbeta.com/Mar 10 23:20
oiaohmhttp://www.lightworksbeta.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=112&Itemid=246  And they are not slowing down feature development just because Linux and Mac support is on the roadmap.Mar 10 23:22
GoForbes28looks very uniqueMar 10 23:24
oiaohmYes its funny they are calling it a Beta because the source code is not released.  Not that is unstable or anything.Mar 10 23:24
DaemonFCI bought Lightworks when it was proprietaryMar 10 23:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] In Arista v LimeWire court rejects RIAA contention it is entitled to statutory damages for each direct infringer http://bit.ly/eZbVfE #riaaMar 10 23:25
oiaohmGoForbes28: what interface standards where  there in 1989Mar 10 23:26
DaemonFCthe Amiga was the most advanced computer of the 80sMar 10 23:26
DaemonFCnothing else really even touched itMar 10 23:27
DaemonFCthe only reason the PC and Mac did better was because the Amiga was priced well out of the range of home computersMar 10 23:27
oiaohmLightworks and Blender are both from around the same time frame in interface design.Mar 10 23:28
oiaohmWhen you use to design interfaces for task.  Not have patterns to follow.Mar 10 23:28
DaemonFCAmigaOS 4 ended up with a cult following too but they made this stupid inexplicable decision to target PowerPCMar 10 23:28
DaemonFCwhich meant you were left to go buy a Mac, format Mac OS off, and install AmigaOS manuallyMar 10 23:29
DaemonFCor buy this outrageously overpriced PPC system from themMar 10 23:29
DaemonFCobviously they would have sold better if they targeted the x86 PCMar 10 23:29
DaemonFCBeOS made the same mistakeMar 10 23:30
*DaemonFC used and liked BeOSMar 10 23:30
DaemonFCHaiku seems to be progressing slowlyMar 10 23:30
GoForbes28yesMar 10 23:34
GoForbes28about the same pace as reactosMar 10 23:35
GoForbes28maybe a little fasterMar 10 23:35
oiaohmThe problem with being a edge OSMar 10 23:35
oiaohmIs lack of resources.Mar 10 23:35
oiaohmYou can even see FreeBSD screaming out for resources.Mar 10 23:35
DaemonFCFreeBSD seems to be doing OKMar 10 23:36
oiaohmNot really.Mar 10 23:36
oiaohmIts still depending on items like HALd and other parts that have been declared dead.  DaemonFCMar 10 23:37
DaemonFCdeclared dead in LinuxMar 10 23:37
DaemonFCsomeone could maintain them for FreeBSDMar 10 23:37
oiaohmhald is declared dead by freedeskop.orgMar 10 23:38
GoForbes28At least there are a fair amount of BSDMar 10 23:38
oiaohmWas declared non mainatined 3 years ago.  DaemonFCMar 10 23:38
oiaohmAnd no one has turned up.  DaemonFCMar 10 23:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Plaintiffs...presented no facts that... indicate...allegation is anything more than speculation."~Hon.Rudi M. Brewster http://bit.ly/eZbVfEMar 10 23:39
oiaohmIts a borning but important job.Mar 10 23:39
DaemonFCnothing in a Linux distribution has any business depending on HALMar 10 23:39
oiaohmLinux has paid coders todo the work.Mar 10 23:39
DaemonFCbut some things still doMar 10 23:39
DaemonFCbrbMar 10 23:39
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oiaohmLot of the smaller OS's need to look at a foundation model.  Mar 10 23:40
oiaohmSo they have so much money each year to pay a coder full time to deal with the crap no one else wants to deal with.Mar 10 23:40
GoForbes28or you make it enjoyableMar 10 23:41
GoForbes28you just need to fulfill intrinsic motivatorsMar 10 23:41
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oiaohmGoForbes28: Never works.Mar 10 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @ghosthand A website that plays ambient music underneath live NYPD radio: http://youarelistening.to/newyork (via Sage Francis)Mar 10 23:42
oiaohmGoForbes28: there is always that dark edge somewhere that a person needs to be bribed to touch.Mar 10 23:42
GoForbes28AhMar 10 23:43
GoForbes28I assume these tasks are repetitive?Mar 10 23:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Righthaven ramping up the silly lawsuits again http://tighturl.com/2zvwMar 10 23:44
DaemonFCI just merged Linux 2.6.38-rc8 with drm-radeon-testing, patched AppArmor, stripped the kernel of everything I don't use, and set it up with all the neat stuff like realtime and transparent huge pagesMar 10 23:45
DaemonFCB-)Mar 10 23:45
oiaohmGoForbes28: Not exactly repetitive.  Normally the task that to the end user look exactly the same.Mar 10 23:49
oiaohmGoForbes28: Some can be insanely hard to fix.  Ie lack of reward for effort basically.Mar 10 23:50
GoForbes28I don't knowMar 10 23:50
GoForbes28extrinisic motivators tend to only work with very simple tasksMar 10 23:50
GoForbes28with problem solving and abstract thinking, they become uselessMar 10 23:51
oiaohmGoForbes28: Blenders good motivator is the movie projects.Mar 10 23:51
oiaohmGoForbes28: Those are funded of course.Mar 10 23:51
oiaohmGoForbes28: Google summer of code only so useful because it cannot be targeted against the complex problems.Mar 10 23:52
oiaohmIe summer of code has cleaned up some of the dark crap conners of open source.Mar 10 23:52
GoForbes28summer of code is one of the best ideas I've seen in awhileMar 10 23:53
oiaohmFoundation model like blender and others.Mar 10 23:53
oiaohmWorks very well along side it.Mar 10 23:53
GoForbes28well, I better get to sleepMar 10 23:53
GoForbes28see you all laterMar 10 23:54
GoForbes28good discussions allMar 10 23:54
GoForbes28:/9Mar 10 23:54
GoForbes28:)Mar 10 23:54
GoForbes28bye oiaohmMar 10 23:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.37.3-libre-lemote and 2.6.32.32-libre2-lemote for !yeeloong !gnewsense are available at http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/Mar 10 23:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Must Read: "Tor, XMPP, GPG, Internet security" excellent blog post by @jimmorgan http://ur1.ca/3gnth !privacy #internet #security !lpMar 10 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @Reuters FLASH: Gaddafi forces enter #Libya's Ras Lanuf oil port and clash with rebels, insurgents sayMar 10 23:59
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