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schestowitztwitter: heheApr 16 00:00
schestowitzRMS hates religious stuffApr 16 00:00
schestowitzSo it couldn't be further from the truthApr 16 00:00
cubezzzreally?Apr 16 00:00
schestowitzFunny how a famous atheist is being painted as belonging to religious dogmaApr 16 00:00
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schestowitzIf only they borhtered reading stallman.orgApr 16 00:00
twitterWell, it is funny to imagine him coming down the mountain with the four software freedoms. Apr 16 00:00
schestowitzLOLApr 16 00:01
schestowitzThat one maybeApr 16 00:01
schestowitzAs satireApr 16 00:01
schestowitzLike the church of emacsApr 16 00:01
twitterwith his disk on his headApr 16 00:01
schestowitzor emacs virginsApr 16 00:01
cubezzzuh, remember Saint Ignucius ?Apr 16 00:01
schestowitzYou know, virgin guysApr 16 00:01
_Goblinlol....heres a quote for the day.......Apr 16 00:01
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schestowitzLike those boys who h arras RMS cause they have too much spare time... can't get laidApr 16 00:01
_Goblin"Windows Vista is Microsoft's most ambitious operating system yet. But that ambition often comes at the price of performance. "Apr 16 00:01
schestowitzfewt?Apr 16 00:02
schestowitzWhy was he here?Apr 16 00:02
twitterperhaps I can make up a cardboard or masonite tablet for himApr 16 00:02
schestowitz!google fewt fudbuntuApr 16 00:02
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - 5 netbook-optimized desktop interfaces for Linux and BSD distributions | 16 00:02
schestowitzOh, nmApr 16 00:02
schestowitzI got it mixed upApr 16 00:02
cubezzzfudbuntu just isn't a good nameApr 16 00:03
schestowitztwitter: tablets that boot openbios :-)Apr 16 00:03
schestowitzHanded over by a speaking BushApr 16 00:03
twitterrock OS.Apr 16 00:03
schestowitzROckSApr 16 00:03
twitterit's a kind of ROM, burn once run forever.Apr 16 00:03
schestowitzWhat ever happened to the free firmware for hypePods?Apr 16 00:03
schestowitzThe project still running......?Apr 16 00:04
twitterRockbox?  Apr 16 00:04
schestowitzyesApr 16 00:04
schestowitzToday we went to buzzrocksApr 16 00:04
schestowitz!google buzzrocks manchesterApr 16 00:04
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Buzzrocks Caribbean Caterers - Manchester - M15 5TL | 16 00:04
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Buzzrocks Caribbean Caterers - Manchester - Caribbean Restaurants | 16 00:04
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Stone Roses' singer's takeaway special | North and East Manchester ... | 16 00:04
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Buzzrocks Caribbean Caterers in Manchester, Manchester, Caterers ... | 16 00:04
twitter 16 00:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Rockbox - Open Source Jukebox Firmware .::. Size~: 14.68 KBApr 16 00:04
schestowitzMet the business owner... top manApr 16 00:05
twitter!google rockbox iriverApr 16 00:05
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - IriverPort < Main < Wiki | 16 00:05
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - IriverFAQ < Main < Wiki | 16 00:05
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - IriverBoot < Main < Wiki | 16 00:05
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Rockbox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 16 00:05
schestowitz 16 00:05
TechrightsBot-tr@_Goblin: @schestowitz Wasn't netrunner a kiosk distro in previous releases? I'll have to check....Apr 16 00:05
twitternifty trickApr 16 00:05
schestowitzI don't think soApr 16 00:05
schestowitzI think other projects are called the sameApr 16 00:05
schestowitzquite a lot of themApr 16 00:05
schestowitzThe dev of netrunner sends me mail sometimesApr 16 00:05
schestowitz 16 00:06
TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz Still waiting to hear what I did to Slashdot. Or is it another one of your untruthful smears? #boycottboyApr 16 00:06
_GoblinYou are right....I found my article on it from a while back:Apr 16 00:06
_Goblin 16 00:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Netrunner 2 – Blacklight – A new release! « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 51.79 KBApr 16 00:06
schestowitz!google schofield slashdot guardianApr 16 00:06
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Netbytes: Slashdot remains a ghetto for nerds | Technology ... | 16 00:06
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Schofield's First Law revisited -- and why Mark Pilgrim finally ... | 16 00:06
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - When did the word "weblog" first appear in The Guardian? | 16 00:06
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Iran Admits Stuxnet... | Facebook | 16 00:06
_Goblinmust be another distro Im mixing it up withApr 16 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Convert Folder into Executable #blogApr 16 00:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Narendra Sisodiya: Convert Folder into Executable .::. Size~: 124.93 KBApr 16 00:06
_GoblinahhhApr 16 00:06
_Goblinremember now....Apr 16 00:07
_GoblinI was mixing it up with:Apr 16 00:07
_Goblin 16 00:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: REVIEW: Webconverger 5.5 « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 37.29 KBApr 16 00:07
_Goblinhow on earth did I do that?Apr 16 00:07
schestowitzIIRC a British oneApr 16 00:07
schestowitzStill has new released, based on my DW feedApr 16 00:07
twitterRockbox is cool enough to make a hypepod worth purchasing Apr 16 00:07
twitterused, of courseApr 16 00:07
schestowitzNaa..Apr 16 00:07
_Goblinlike I said before though, I think my KDE migration will be with ChakraApr 16 00:07
schestowitz!google will it blend ipadApr 16 00:07
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - YouTube - Will It Blend? - iPad | 16 00:07
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - YouTube - Will it Blend? - iPad 2 | 16 00:07
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Will it Blend - Blendtec | 16 00:07
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Will It Blend, iPad 2 Edition | 16 00:07
schestowitz^^ good use for second-hand hypepads, or defective one/sApr 16 00:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] EU⇒ rd @howardknopf How to try to stop the extension of the !copyright term for neighbouring rights from 50 to 70 years 16 00:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The 1709 Blog: Copyright Term Directive: latest news .::. Size~: 90.71 KBApr 16 00:08
_Goblin"If you Google the word google, you will break the internet" - Prize for guessing who said that.....Apr 16 00:08
twitterI'd hate to waste the device when software can liberate itApr 16 00:08
schestowitz!google bingApr 16 00:08
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Bing | 16 00:08
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Bing Maps - driving and transit directions, routes, traffic conditions | 16 00:08
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Bing Images - Search the web for pictures, photos & images | 16 00:08
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Cheap flights, hotels, destinations - Bing Travel | 16 00:08
schestowitz!bing googleApr 16 00:08
schestowitzdefeaning silenceApr 16 00:08
schestowitzB0ng must be down..Apr 16 00:09
schestowitz*chirpingsApr 16 00:09
_Goblinno it seems to be working perfectlyApr 16 00:09
_Goblinlet me checkApr 16 00:09
twitterprobably someone who would like to break google said thatApr 16 00:09
_Goblin!bing LinuxApr 16 00:09
_Goblin....Apr 16 00:09
_Goblinyep its working fineApr 16 00:09
schestowitz!bing?Apr 16 00:09
schestowitz!bingApr 16 00:09
schestowitz"It's dead, Doc."Apr 16 00:09
twitterdid they quit scraping google?Apr 16 00:09
schestowitzwhile (ping('')Apr 16 00:10
twitterwhere will they get search results to insert their FUD and adverts in if they don't scrape google?Apr 16 00:10
schestowitz{wget $param}Apr 16 00:10
schestowitzCD C:\PROGRAM~1\B0ng\$paramApr 16 00:10
schestowitz}Apr 16 00:10
schestowitzoops,. opposite Apr 16 00:11
_GoblinSince we are talking bing....lets remind ourselves of the dictionary definition:Apr 16 00:11
_Goblinbing [bɪŋ]Apr 16 00:11
_GoblinnApr 16 00:11
_GoblinDialect a heap or pile, esp of spoil from a mineApr 16 00:11
_Goblin[from Old Norse bingr heap]Apr 16 00:11
_Goblin...Apr 16 00:11
_Goblinthats a damn good description of it "A heap or a pile"Apr 16 00:11
_Goblinit certainly is a pileApr 16 00:11
twitterlol, Bing is another word for toxic mine tailings Apr 16 00:11
schestowitzPublish(press release','','we innovated a new search engine')Apr 16 00:12
_GoblinI wonder if Microsoft had a DOH moment when they realized what Bing actually meant.Apr 16 00:12
twitterwhat, when they googled it?Apr 16 00:12
schestowitz!google bing disease chineseApr 16 00:12
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Bing Means Disease In Chinese | BRAND INFECTION | 16 00:12
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The Bing Definition Microsoft Probably Doesn't Want You To Get In ... | 16 00:12
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Fly the World: Microsoft's Bing Means 'Disease' in Chinese | 16 00:12
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bing = Disease, how come I didn't realize that? | Coffeehouse ... | 16 00:12
_GoblinI can't believe they researched it first and said "Yep, a heap or a pile, thats what we will call our search"Apr 16 00:12
twitterthey probably thought they could change the meaning of the word, they did change the google resultsApr 16 00:13
_Goblinor maybe we are seeing a display of Microsoft honesty?Apr 16 00:13
cubezzza heap or pile, that's what I got tooApr 16 00:13
_Goblin"look people, this really does fail.....lets call it bing.....warn the users"Apr 16 00:13
schestowitzA pile of diseasesApr 16 00:13
cubezzzCollaborative International Dictionary of EnglishApr 16 00:13
twittermost of the trolls like to give themselves away in the end, it's part of the insultApr 16 00:14
cubezzzas in "a bing of wood"Apr 16 00:14
cubezzzI would have said sound effect :)Apr 16 00:14
_Goblin:)Apr 16 00:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cartoon: Goodbye Groklaw, Thanks PJ! [IMG] 16 00:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: DoctorMo's Blog » Blog Archive  » Cartoon: Goodbye Groklaw, Thanks PJ! .::. Size~: 13.75 KBApr 16 00:14
_GoblinRoy, if you are around tomorrow we can try and crack on with the video......Apr 16 00:16
schestowitzOf course!Apr 16 00:16
cubezzzyou know google groups seemed to have lost a lot of postsApr 16 00:16
twitterRockbox sees it's future as a media player on free OS mobile devices because they think dedicated music players will be obsolete in a few years.  See the Wikipedia article.  In the mean time, there are plenty of players they have liberated. Apr 16 00:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] File Transfers Over 1Gbit/s Ethernet: SSD vs. HDD new lipstick ("SSD") on an old pig, just like "cloud". #hype #ssd #prApr 16 00:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: File Transfers Over 1Gbit/s Ethernet: SSD vs. HDD - Techgage .::. Size~: 22.91 KBApr 16 00:18
twitternice 16 00:19
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/png typeApr 16 00:19
twitterSSD vrs HDD?  eh?  the only people who can't use SSD are Windows users because Vista/Vista 7 burn them out with file indexing.Apr 16 00:21
twitterMy 701 EEE PC worked great.Apr 16 00:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #CentOS 5.6 Finally Arrives: Is It Suitable for Business Use? replace "CentOS" with "Windows", reask question. ;-)Apr 16 00:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #OpenOffice .org 3.4 Beta available for download business as usual for the OOOo communityApr 16 00:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @playonlinux A new release of Wine 32 bits is available into PlayOnLinux. You can read release note here: 16 00:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: CentOS 5.6 Finally Arrives: Is It Suitable for Business Use? | Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 40.85 KBApr 16 00:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 3.4 Beta available for download - GullFOSS .::. Size~: 58.93 KBApr 16 00:21
twitterlight, quiet and cool.  Most PDAs are this way.Apr 16 00:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: WineHQ - Wine Announcement .::. Size~: 31.09 KBApr 16 00:21
twitterbbl, more work to do.Apr 16 00:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Force Is With The Gimp! been using it for a decade. Power app. #gimp #gnuApr 16 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ride the #Firefox development wave with #Aurora pre-release builds #mozilla #wwwApr 16 00:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ride the Firefox development wave with Aurora pre-release builds .::. Size~: 34.04 KBApr 16 00:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ride the Firefox development wave with Aurora pre-release builds .::. Size~: 34.08 KBApr 16 00:23
schestowitztwitter: thanks for participatingApr 16 00:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bundle #3 Just Did $500k USD; Here's A Contest free makes moneyApr 16 00:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "All Games Are Linux Compatible" 16 00:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Bundle #3 Just Did $500k USD; Here's A Contest .::. Size~: 18.25 KBApr 16 00:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Humble Frozenbyte Bundle | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 54.1 KBApr 16 00:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @lamm you'll like this: The 7 best unintentionally sexual church signs. 16 00:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #SCOracle licensing: just say no #openoffice #mysql #sunApr 16 00:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Unintentionally Sexual Church Signs | .::. Size~: 156.96 KBApr 16 00:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle licensing: just say no | ZDNet .::. Size~: 136.96 KBApr 16 00:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle: to become "a Community-based Project" - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 38.82 KBApr 16 00:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle orphans OpenOffice offering | ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 44.75 KBApr 16 00:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Real or imagined? Open source contributions from Oracle - Open Source Insider .::. Size~: 29.88 KBApr 16 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 2 Released: Test and Report! but #unity gets a bad name 16 00:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 2 Released: Test and Report! | jonobacon@home .::. Size~: 28 KBApr 16 00:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: What Are Mac & Windows Users Saying About Unity? .::. Size~: 47.99 KBApr 16 00:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 5 Out Of 11 Participants Crashed Unity In Canonical’s Study .::. Size~: 37.02 KBApr 16 00:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open Source Licenses: Greater Rights, Different Responsibilities by #alfresco which silently went rather proprietaryApr 16 00:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Welcome to LinuxInsider .::. Size~: 2.95 KBApr 16 00:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] YouView mandates Linux, HD content encryption [new euphemism] #linux #YouView #drmApr 16 00:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YouView mandates Linux, HD content encryption • reghardware .::. Size~: 21.17 KBApr 16 00:36
schestowitz 16 00:37
TechrightsBot-tr@satipera (satipera)'s status on Friday, 15-Apr-11 23:35:08 UTC - @schestowitz I see why  you responded today but do not make a habit of it do not get drawn in, those in the trenches do not write history.Apr 16 00:37
schestowitzyes, I kind of regret bothering. I could do some nice blog posts instead at that time.Apr 16 00:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Content encryption is where/when the user secures his/her data, not when the data is shackled to harm the user. Spin galore. #vocabulary #prApr 16 00:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Torvalds Honored by Gaggle of Lawyers good publicity for #linuxApr 16 00:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Torvalds Honored by Gaggle of Lawyers | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 52.97 KBApr 16 00:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Best Free and Open Source System Cloning Solutions for Linux handy list, some people think #linux can't do that at allApr 16 00:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Joli OS 1.2 review – the best gets even better… | Linux User .::. Size~: 51.12 KBApr 16 00:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Good karma for #gnu #linux preinstalled " 16 00:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Joli OS 1.2 review – the best gets even better… | Linux User .::. Size~: 51.12 KBApr 16 00:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] System76 Serval Professional Sandy Bridge Review .::. Size~: 19.2 KBApr 16 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #GP2X Shop - Small tour through the dragon's lair supporting the small businesses selling hacker-friendly #linuxApr 16 00:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: GP2X Shop - Small tour through the dragon's lair .::. Size~: 5.44 KBApr 16 00:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Jesus Christ! Come on, Pens!!!!Apr 16 01:14
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DaemonFC 16 01:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Wine 1.3.18 Adds Support For XI2 Raw Mouse Events .::. Size~: 16.9 KBApr 16 01:29
DaemonFCI asked about that like 2 years agoApr 16 01:29
DaemonFCThey said that Julliard was worried about breaking 16-bit Windows apps if they fixed the mouse cursor problems in Win32 appsApr 16 01:30
schestowitzAsk to add your patch? :-)Apr 16 01:30
DaemonFC(because everyone runs Windows 3.1 software, and NOBODY runs Windows 9x/NT software)Apr 16 01:30
DaemonFCamirite?Apr 16 01:30
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 01:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: which version of Windows are you on right now and which browser?Apr 16 01:30
schestowitz 16 01:31
schestowitz"Apr 16 01:31
schestowitzThat was easy, Jack. Google "malware spainair". First result is from MSNBC (which is partly owned by you-know-who):Apr 16 01:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Articles of Roy Schestowitz | ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 81.63 KBApr 16 01:31
schestowitz 16 01:31
DaemonFCif Kubuntu is a Windows and Linux 2.6.39 is an ntkrnlmp.exe and Firefox is an IEApr 16 01:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Malware implicated in fatal Spanair plane crash - Technology & science - Security - .::. Size~: 57.83 KBApr 16 01:31
schestowitz"Authorities investigating the 2008 crash of Spanair flight 5022 have discovered a central computer system used to monitor technical problems in the aircraft was infected with malware.Apr 16 01:31
schestowitz"An internal report issued by the airline revealed the infected computer failed to detect three technical problems with the aircraft, which if detected, may have prevented the plane from taking off, according to reports in the Spanish newspaper, El Pais."Apr 16 01:31
schestowitzHave a good day.Apr 16 01:31
schestowitz"Apr 16 01:31
DaemonFCthen I'm using Windows all the wayApr 16 01:31
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 01:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, The last time I went to use Windows for anything was when I got a "free" copy of Windows Server 2008R2 and wanted to try it outApr 16 01:32
DaemonFCit's pretty much exactly like Windows 7 except a lot of application support dlls are missing to make sure it's broken as a desktop OSApr 16 01:33
DaemonFCand antivirus freaks out and says you need the $400 versionApr 16 01:33
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 01:33
DaemonFCoh, and there's a laughably bad web server called IIS, think "the IE of web servers"Apr 16 01:34
DaemonFCschestowitz, epic win B-)Apr 16 01:35
DaemonFC    GL_ATI_draw_buffers, GL_ATI_texture_env_combine3, GL_ATI_texture_float, Apr 16 01:35
DaemonFC    GL_ARB_half_float_pixel, GL_ARB_occlusion_query2, GL_ARB_point_sprite, Apr 16 01:35
DaemonFC    GL_ARB_texture_float, GL_ARB_texture_rectangle, Apr 16 01:35
DaemonFC    GL_ARB_draw_instanced, GL_ARB_half_float_vertex, GL_ARB_instanced_arrays, Apr 16 01:35
DaemonFCmmmmmmApr 16 01:35
schestowitzHaApr 16 01:35
schestowitzSame here...Apr 16 01:35
DaemonFCI've been wanting this since like foreverApr 16 01:36
DaemonFCUnigine doesn't run at all without itApr 16 01:36
DaemonFCand some Windows apps in Wine also fail without itApr 16 01:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 15/4/2011: #Mageia Screenshots, GIMP Progress, Independence !techrightsApr 16 01:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 15/4/2011: Mageia Screenshots, GIMP Progress, Independence #techrightsApr 16 01:36
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DaemonFCbecause DirectX had something like this added in the 9.0c revisionApr 16 01:36
schestowitz 16 01:36
TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz That's a perfectly reasonable review, and it's my opinion, to which I'm entitled. 16 01:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Netbytes: Slashdot remains a ghetto for nerds | Technology | .::. Size~: 90.67 KBApr 16 01:36
DaemonFCslashdot is a ghetto for Wintrolls linking to PR storiesApr 16 01:37
schestowitzRight.  But my point was, you discounted a source whose biases you disagreed with, just like I did. You even called it "ghetto"Apr 16 01:37
cubezzzwintrolls? slashdot is mostly anti-windowsApr 16 01:38
DaemonFCnahApr 16 01:38
cubezzzand wintroll will get bashedApr 16 01:38
DaemonFCit mirrors all the latest Windows PRApr 16 01:38
DaemonFCit's why I don't even bother with it anymoreApr 16 01:38
schestowitz 16 01:39
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: DoJ had no problem with letting Apr 12 deadline re. Novell deal expire - clear indication that it doesn't have objections anymore. $NOVLApr 16 01:39
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: Novell SEC filing: My interpretation: DoJ seems to be fine with deal.Apr 16 01:39
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Form 8-K .::. Size~: 16.93 KBApr 16 01:39
schestowitzHe is pushing for Microsoft to get Novell's patentsApr 16 01:39
cubezzzI find the windows crowd to be mostly unknowledgeableApr 16 01:39
DaemonFCcubezzz, ZOMG Black Screen of DeathApr 16 01:40
DaemonFCpostApr 16 01:40
DaemonFCZOMG WINDOWS 8!!!Apr 16 01:41
schestowitz 16 01:41
TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz Considering the hate-filled, misleading and/or simply despicable things you've written, you're also being hypocrital. Again.Apr 16 01:41
cubezzzwho is jack schofield?Apr 16 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @zoobab Method And Device For Generating A Single-Use Financial Account Number 16 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Deep joy time for musicApr 16 01:41
DaemonFCPaul Thurrott is eagerly awaiting IE 10Apr 16 01:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jay Walker Goes Nuclear: Priceline Founder Sues More Than 100 Companies                                                    |  paidContent .::. Size~: 37.84 KBApr 16 01:41
DaemonFCand WMA sets the standard for compressed audio, don't you know?Apr 16 01:41
schestowitz"What makes it worse if that you (mis)used the Guardian's front page to wage war/personal vendetta"Apr 16 01:42
DaemonFCThe emos over at deviantart had a full page praising IE 8Apr 16 01:43
DaemonFCthat's the only non MS-funded website that I've seen with love for IE latelyApr 16 01:43
schestowitz"Hiding behind the "I'm a journalist" mask is a poor excuse for serving PR agenda while pretending to be professional"Apr 16 01:43
cubezzzJacko looks like a windows-only dudeApr 16 01:44
cubezzzyupApr 16 01:44
cubezzz"Is open source being oversold?"Apr 16 01:45
cubezzzwith a dead linkApr 16 01:45
schestowitzMicrosoft JackApr 16 01:45
schestowitzhe's known for his agenda Apr 16 01:45
schestowitz!google microsoft jackApr 16 01:45
cubezzzI don't think you'll get anywhere with him schestowitzApr 16 01:45
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft Showcase: Jack's Snap | 16 01:45
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Two Jack Lake travel presentation - Templates - Microsoft Office | 16 01:45
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Two Jack Lake travel presentation - Templates - Microsoft Office | 16 01:45
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Jack Dahlgren's Microsoft Project Tools and Tips | 16 01:45
schestowitz!google "microsoft jack"Apr 16 01:45
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Software Factories: Assembling Applications with Patterns, Models ... | 16 01:45
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Microsoft Webcast: Connect + Share (Level 100) | 16 01:45
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Successful Project Management (with Microsoft Project ... | 16 01:45
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Mac game deletes your files: is it malware or is it art ... | 16 01:45
schestowitzHm... doesn't google so wellApr 16 01:46
cubezzztalk to former Sun people insteadApr 16 01:46
schestowitzOKApr 16 01:46
schestowitzWe're both adults, but one is trying to belittle that who has more life ahead and overcome logic with 'reputation'Apr 16 01:46
schestowitzHe's a sneaky oneApr 16 01:46
DaemonFC 16 01:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: HowTo:Be Emo - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 49.65 KBApr 16 01:46
DaemonFChmmmmApr 16 01:46
cubezzzwho uses outlook express as an email client?Apr 16 01:46
cubezzzwell, Jack does :)Apr 16 01:46
DaemonFCare you kidding? BEST EMAIL CLIENT EVER! If there's ever been a use for Wine, it's to make sure I NEVER have to get rid of Outlook Express 6Apr 16 01:47
cubezzzif you want to bug him, tell him that pipe smoking is bad for this health :)Apr 16 01:47
DaemonFCJulliard is a demigodApr 16 01:47
DaemonFC:PApr 16 01:47
DaemonFCbrbApr 16 01:47
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cubezzzcomputers used to be more fun Apr 16 01:48
cubezzzand a lot friendlier tooApr 16 01:48
schestowitz "Come on, Jack! That's plainly ridiculous! If it's so easy for someone to add such a reference, why would it be any more difficult for anyone else to remove it again? Someone (say) who wouldn't want such a reference to exist, for example..."Apr 16 01:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I have cart loads of wonderful music on my nas and it is not playing, thinking about streaming.Apr 16 01:51
cubezzzdoes an external HD really need a fan?Apr 16 01:52
cubezzzI've run IDE drives for over a decade with no fanApr 16 01:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] we need to keep the pressure on #Sony until they stop harassing hackers! !ps3 #dbdApr 16 01:59
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schestowitz!/zdnetuk_NewsApr 16 02:01
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schestowitz"All the latest business technology news, covering security, mobile, Microsoft and much more"Apr 16 02:01
schestowitzWhy Microsoft?Apr 16 02:01
schestowitzOnly brand mentionedApr 16 02:01
schestowitzAnd they also follow a zdnet_win7 accountApr 16 02:01
cubezzzdo they ever do non-Microsoft articles?Apr 16 02:02
schestowitzYesApr 16 02:08
schestowitzsee my latest comment @ 16 02:08
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schestowitzLOLApr 16 02:09
schestowitzSee their menuApr 16 02:09
schestowitzit has a whole section dedicated to Windows 7Apr 16 02:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] left a couple more comments @ 16 02:09
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sebsebsebschestowitz: looking at slightly old dentsApr 16 02:15
sebsebsebschestowitz: remember this? 16 02:15
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sebsebsebwell looking at old dents I should say yeahApr 16 02:15
sebsebsebanyway that distro it seems could be interesting, but going by the screenshots page it's based on Ubuntu hmmApr 16 02:15
sebsebsebKDE distro thoughApr 16 02:15
schestowitz"Apr 16 02:17
schestowitzUpon closer inspection, this gets even more interesting. I see that the said twitter account follows 33 people and also an account called "(". I notice that alongside menu items at the top of *all* pages in ZDNet UK there is an oddly out-of-place section called "Windows 7" (and again, it's the only brand mentioned). I clicked on and it's purely promotional therein. It says: "ZDNet UK's special report Apr 16 02:17
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schestowitzcovers a range of content, including reviews, articles and videos, to help you discover the key features in Microsoft's latest operating system, as well as the pitfalls you should be looking out for."Apr 16 02:17
schestowitzPaid endorsement from Microsoft, right? And if so, what can one deduce? I don't mean to heckle, but I think this issue need to be addressed because some months ago I was confronted by a man who had run an online "Vista" magazine (he hid this) and then proceeded to attacking Linux in IDG-owned Web sites. Disclosures are something people value.Apr 16 02:17
schestowitz"Apr 16 02:17
schestowitz"Apr 16 02:18
schestowitzWell, while we're at it, Techrights also published leaked E-mails from Waggener Edstrom -- E-mails that very clearly show how Microsoft coordinated with 'reporters' the planting (their term, not mine) of news which was hostile towards Linux, which is why my suspicion of the likes of Jack is not unfounded.Apr 16 02:18
schestowitzMicrosoft is not just a normal technology company, it's more like a marketing company. And I can't help but feel baffled by the account summary of because it says "All the latest business technology news, covering security, mobile, Microsoft and much more".Apr 16 02:18
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schestowitzWhy is Microsoft the only brand mentioned? It's not even the most highly valued technology company anymore. Let's talk about the real issues, not about people. You're steering the debate towards ad hominem.Apr 16 02:18
schestowitz"Apr 16 02:18
schestowitz"Microsoft's Public Relations department, Waggener Edstrom, edits Wikipedia. It's well documented."Apr 16 02:18
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz You said I "discredit[ed] #slashdot as a whole, misusing your position in the Guardian." This is a smear and possibly a libel.Apr 16 02:19
cubezzzoh dearApr 16 02:19
schestowitz"It's not. If the Guardian's goal is to provide derogatory commentary  from someone who opposes a POV, then fine"Apr 16 02:20
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz In fact, I said it "has expanded beyond the nerd ghetto", so it seems you're more interested in smearing me than in the truth.Apr 16 02:20
schestowitzThe piece comes across as suggesting that Slashdot has no legitimacy or credibility. That's what calls killing the messenger.Apr 16 02:20
cubezzzslashdot is often goodApr 16 02:21
cubezzznot alwaysApr 16 02:21
schestowitz 16 02:21
TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz A  smear: you are making stuff up. I do not have a vendetta against Slashdot, and don't even disagree with its biases.Apr 16 02:21
schestowitz"@jackschofield Today's #slashdot is a different zone because #pr agencies took over it.But back in the days it promoted opposite POV from yours"Apr 16 02:23
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz Two more lies in your tweet. (1) I don't have a vendetta against Slashdot. I reviewed it once in a decade, as far as I recall.Apr 16 02:23
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz Lie (2) that I "(mis)used the Guardian's front page". I have never had any control over what goes on the Guardian's front pageApr 16 02:24
schestowitz"@jackschofield it did have the potential to go on there and be used to paint slashdot as a funny-looking robots with "nards""Apr 16 02:25
schestowitz 16 02:25
TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz And you're hiding behind what mask to instult someone and attempt to smear their reputation with blatantly false accusationss?Apr 16 02:25
schestowitz"@jackschofield you have cursed me a good deal on twitter, in one way or another. Like I said before, let's discuss the sunstance/issues"Apr 16 02:26
schestowitz 16 02:27
TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz "a poor excuse for serving PR agenda". << Which is what? Slashdot's PR agenda is the one you appear to be serving, very badly.Apr 16 02:27
schestowitz"@jackschofield that's a good point. Many sources can be said to have agenda/PR, even Slashdot. It's also a POV."Apr 16 02:28
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz Gah, have you nothing to offer but stupidity and prejudice? No wonder so many people think you're a jerk. 16 02:28
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schestowitz"People don't think that. *Some* people, whose opinions are different from mine, would have you think that. POV diversity is a good thing."Apr 16 02:29
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz It's not "derogatgory commentary", but if you want to see some examples of that, just look at your own sites, you hypocrit.Apr 16 02:29
cubezzznastyApr 16 02:29
cubezzzwhy can't people be nice?Apr 16 02:30
schestowitz"I think the use of the word began when I called you a hypocrite for tarnishing Slashdot's reputation while accusing others"Apr 16 02:30
schestowitz"In many public debate, even about controversial subjects like deities, people tend to resort to personal insults, belittling others"Apr 16 02:30
schestowitzIn many public debate, even about controversial subjects like deities, people tend to resort to personal insults, belittling othersApr 16 02:31
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz No it isn't, or the subs would have noticed. You're just misreading it based on your own blind stupid prejudices.Apr 16 02:32
schestowitz"@jackschofield maybe the chief editor changed it to look that way."Apr 16 02:32
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz No, again you're just prejudiced and wrong. You're just making up crap again. I *liked* Slashdot. I recommended it to people.Apr 16 02:32
schestowitz"@jackschofield with language like "ghetto for nerds" I don't find the recommendation quite so compelling ;-) But hey, it's just my POV"Apr 16 02:33
schestowitzHe looks sngry and rudeApr 16 02:33
schestowitzSo he loses the debate in the eyes of othersApr 16 02:34
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz When do you discuss issues? Your smears are personal attacks based on whatever weird nonh-factual views you happen to have.Apr 16 02:34
schestowitz"@jackschofield not really, I don't do namecalling and I do provide technical rebuttals, I provide evidence where possible, too"Apr 16 02:34
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz That's stupid. Photos are chosen and captioned by the subeditor who posts the article (and yes, he is on Twitter), not be me.Apr 16 02:35
schestowitz"@jackschofield thanks for pointing that out. That helps clarify things."Apr 16 02:35
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cubezzzsee, there's a divide hereApr 16 02:36
cubezzzit's not just FOSS vs proprietary eitherApr 16 02:36
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz You repeatedly insult me, smear me, misrepresent what I write, and make up things that are not true. What's not to like, eh?Apr 16 02:36
schestowitz"@jackschofield I once mistook a guy with identical name to another (from same university too) and corrected the article as soon as found out"Apr 16 02:36
cubezzzit's almost like it's journalist vs programmerApr 16 02:36
cubezzzthat's the vibe I'm gettingApr 16 02:36
schestowitz"@jackschofield the "insults" you refer to is me calling you "Microsoft Jack". You can call me "Linux Roy" any time. I'd like it. ;-)"Apr 16 02:37
schestowitzHe's no programmer BTWApr 16 02:37
schestowitzADAIKApr 16 02:37
schestowitzAFAIKApr 16 02:37
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz Seems to me that people think you're a  jerk and a liability to the open source movement. From what you've done to me, I agree.Apr 16 02:38
schestowitz"@jackschofield but Jack, you see, that's the point. You're *not* part of the "open source movement" you speak about; you antagonise it"Apr 16 02:39
cubezzzyes, schestowitz, but you are :)Apr 16 02:39
cubezzzhe's the journalist, you're the programmer typeApr 16 02:39
schestowitz"@jackschofield if someone who is a Microsoft MVP says I'm not credible or that I'm biased, I know why. YMMV."Apr 16 02:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] "I'd advise anyone to give up being a #Microsoft certified automaton & learn something about computers instead." @bkuhn !qApr 16 02:39
schestowitzcubezzz: I'll ask himApr 16 02:40
schestowitz"@jackschofield have you ever written a computer program at all?"Apr 16 02:40
cubezzzmaybe that will get the convo on the road to civility :)Apr 16 02:40
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TechrightsBot-tr@verofakto: @directhex @migueldeicaza @akshatj_96 @m4n1sh @d0od I thought it was called 'professional student' #boycottboyApr 16 02:40
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz Still waiting to hear what I did to Slashdot. Or is it another one of your untruthful smears? #boycottboyApr 16 02:41
schestowitzLook at the tag he usesApr 16 02:41
schestowitzHow immature of himApr 16 02:41
cubezzzhmmmApr 16 02:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] dub-step beatbox #dontwobbmebroApr 16 02:41
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schestowitz"@jackschofield By the way, you can stop taggging your tweets "boycottboy" because it makes you look immature"Apr 16 02:42
twitterJack is a typical Microsoft troll.  He throws around general insults without references, as if they were absolute truths, and commits all of the crimes he accuses the victim of.  "Considering the hate-filled, misleading and/or simply despicable things you've written, you're also being hypocrital. Again."  is all of that, hate filled, despicable and hypocritical.  Apr 16 02:42
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TechrightsBot-tr@verofakto: @jackschofield @schestowitz hypocrisy at its finest  #BoycottBoy #TechRightsApr 16 02:42
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schestowitzThe Mono lobby blosters jackApr 16 02:42
cubezzzis this guy british? just wonderingApr 16 02:42
schestowitzWhat a surprise... Not.Apr 16 02:43
schestowitzcubezzz: yesApr 16 02:43
cubezzzah Apr 16 02:43
schestowitztwitter: he also threatensApr 16 02:43
schestowitzNot for the first timeApr 16 02:43
schestowitzThey try to silence critics that wayApr 16 02:43
schestowitzBut it's the Streisand Effect, it will only make it look like they lose the argumentApr 16 02:43
schestowitzJack stopped replying for nowApr 16 02:43
schestowitzMaybe he passed out :/Apr 16 02:44
schestowitzOK, it's 2am hereApr 16 02:44
schestowitzalmost 3Apr 16 02:44
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz OK, I accept you know nothing about how newspapers work. I'm still entitled to my own honest and factually-correct opinion.Apr 16 02:44
schestowitz"@jackschofield that's right. But people are also allowed to engage in a debate over it. Good night, Jack."Apr 16 02:45
cubezzzbtw The BIg M was always big on marketingApr 16 02:45
cubezzzas far back as I can rememberApr 16 02:45
cubezzzthey courted programmersApr 16 02:45
twitterIs there any reason to talk to a person who says things like this, "Gah, have you nothing to offer but stupidity and prejudice? No wonder so many people think you're a jerk."Apr 16 02:46
cubezzzrightApr 16 02:46
cubezzzuh, for me, the answer would be no :)Apr 16 02:47
schestowitz"OK, thanks. Well, hopefully they'll add Android soon. It's really becoming quite the phenomenon ;-)" 16 02:47
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cubezzzzdnet just isn't my cup of tea I'm afraidApr 16 02:48
twitterwhat an amazing ass, there were no facts presented and his opinion is waaaayyy out there if honesty has anything to do with it -> "@jackschofield: @schestowitz OK, I accept you know nothing about how newspapers work. I'm still entitled to my own honest and factually-correct opinion."Apr 16 02:52
twitterThe guy reminds me of a grammar school bully.  Did he get as far as drop out Bill Gates in school?  Apr 16 02:53
twitter"boycottboy" where did that come from?Apr 16 02:54
twitterWas it Microsoft Florian or some other mono booster?Apr 16 02:55
cubezzz:-/Apr 16 02:55
twitterThis is what I expect from old media.  It's worse on TV.  There's some awful show on PBS, the "McGlauflin Hour" or something like that, where they have a few journalists who represent opposite poles of the US pseudo-parties.  They sneer silly sound bites at each other only to be cut off by the Moderator who voices whatever opinion that's on his mind.  My wife and I call it "The Asshole Hour"Apr 16 02:59
twitterThen there's Fox TV, oh my.Apr 16 02:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] - Sounds about right.Apr 16 02:59
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twitterand talk radio is even meanerApr 16 02:59
twitternice cartoonApr 16 03:00
cubezzzI was not aware of the existence of Fox TV :)Apr 16 03:00
cubezzzthanks for the warningApr 16 03:01
twittergood for youApr 16 03:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] And I love you forever And you never will remember Everything I did to make you love me.Apr 16 03:01
cubezzzI get the big three from Buffalo NYApr 16 03:02
cubezzzbut I rarely watch televisionApr 16 03:02
twitterMy kids watch a lot of PBS.  The older one discovered America's Funniest Videos but seems to be getting bored of it. Apr 16 03:03
twitterHow many times can you watch strangers get hit in the crotch? Apr 16 03:03
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twitterPeople give them Disney movies.  The newer ones are packed with narcissism and bad attitude. Apr 16 03:04
cubezzzPBS is better than most thoughApr 16 03:05
twitterThe older ones are not so nice either, they generally mix up physical appearance and morals.  Apr 16 03:05
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cubezzzI get WNED Apr 16 03:05
twitterWe hardly get anything.  Everything is far away. Apr 16 03:06
cubezzztwitter, where are you from?Apr 16 03:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] BBC #Libya says children are suffering in Misrata. Britain and USA plan to show how to protect civilians using Hiroshoma and Dresden as eg'sApr 16 03:06
twitterI'm from New Orleans but now live in Mobile, Alabama. Apr 16 03:06
cubezzzahApr 16 03:07
twitterI spent a year in Tacoma, WA.  That was a nice town. Apr 16 03:07
cubezzzyikes, is that close to Redmond? :)Apr 16 03:08
twitterYes, but Tacoma's got it's own thing going on.Apr 16 03:08
twitterThere were plenty of Microsoft people around, mostly clueless.  One or two very rude. Apr 16 03:09
twitterBaton Rouge, LA is OK.  There are lots of problems in the US south.Apr 16 03:09
cubezzzyeah I figuredApr 16 03:09
twitterPublic education sucks and there's lots of racism, poverty and industry is starting to use it as a dumping ground.Apr 16 03:10
cubezzzI was in New Mexico once, I thought it was nice enoughApr 16 03:11
cubezzzdefinitely warmer than here :)Apr 16 03:11
twitterI've been through there and know a few good people from there.  University of New Mexico is famous in some fields.Apr 16 03:11
cubezzztoday was sub-zero this morningApr 16 03:11
twitteran example of how industry shat on Alabama, 16 03:12
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cubezzzyeah I vacationed in Taos back in 1997Apr 16 03:12
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twitterMonsanto dumped more PCBs in the water here than GE dumped in the Hudson.  Apr 16 03:12
cubezzzBuffalo doesn't seem to bad a city, it's the closest major US city to meApr 16 03:13
cubezzzyeah Monsanto seems pretty destructiveApr 16 03:14
twitterCan you walk to a grocery store?Apr 16 03:14
twitterCan you walk to work?Apr 16 03:14
cubezzztwitter, yesApr 16 03:14
twitternice!Apr 16 03:14
cubezzzalso yes :)Apr 16 03:14
cubezzzyes to bothApr 16 03:14
twitterthen you live in a real city rather than an urban sprawl Apr 16 03:15
cubezzzsometimes I get a cab there and walk homeApr 16 03:15
cubezzzif it's really cold or somethingApr 16 03:15
cubezzzwell the public transit isn't too badApr 16 03:15
cubezzzwe have the GO TrainApr 16 03:15
twitterYes, there is that horrible, humid cold.  Tacoma was pacific and easy to walk around all year long.Apr 16 03:15
cubezzzI try to walk at least 1 mile per dayApr 16 03:16
twittergood for youApr 16 03:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Looks like yet another #Joomla security hole. *sigh*Apr 16 03:16
cubezzzalso I'm fortunate, I live next to a park and a small conservation areaApr 16 03:16
twitterI spend about an hour each day in a carApr 16 03:16
cubezzzyeah been there... Apr 16 03:17
cubezzznow I don't even own a carApr 16 03:17
twitterthere's something of a park close by, but I have to pass through lots of cigarette smoke to get there.  More than 1/3rd of people in Mobile smoke.Apr 16 03:17
twitterthey smoke in their cars tooApr 16 03:18
cubezzznot goodApr 16 03:18
twitterI have to drive a three lane road to get anywhere, so there's always at least one person blowing smoke into the other air pollution.  I can tell the difference. Apr 16 03:18
twitterYou probably have a lot of asbestos to watch out for.Apr 16 03:19
twitterQuebec was a big exporter and the US Northeast is dense with asbestos caused disease.  Apr 16 03:20
cubezzznot sure, the house was built in the 30'sApr 16 03:20
cubezzzwe insulated using fibreglassApr 16 03:21
twitterThe stuff is in a lot of older sidings, roofing, wallboard, joint compund etcApr 16 03:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ok, one drama solved, seemingly. Let's see how that works out. <3 @ElNusioApr 16 03:21
twitterit's what you might have disturbed that you have to watch out for.Apr 16 03:21
cubezzzthis house is actually an old farm houseApr 16 03:22
twitteryour roof almost certainly has lots of asbestos.  Is the siding wood?Apr 16 03:22
cubezzzI think soApr 16 03:23
cubezzzwell it's all brick reallyApr 16 03:23
cubezzzthere could be vermiculite on the roof-spaceApr 16 03:23
twitteryou can check here 16 03:24
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twittervermiculite is asbestos contaminated, be careful with that.Apr 16 03:24
cubezzzI'm never up in the attic thoughApr 16 03:24
twittergoodApr 16 03:24
cubezzzdo you know why was abestos used?Apr 16 03:25
twitterit is a cheap way to get fire ratingApr 16 03:25
twitterit would be a great material if it did not kill peopleApr 16 03:25
cubezzzhmmm, popular starting in the late 19th centuryApr 16 03:26
twitterthe peak was the 70sApr 16 03:26
cubezzzI guess it's not mined now?Apr 16 03:26
twitterbuilders were allowed to use existing stock through the 80s and in 1990 they undid parts of the ban, then in 1999 they gutted the banApr 16 03:27
twitterit is still mined in Quebec, Russia and Brazil.Apr 16 03:27
cubezzzhmmm, well I'm in Ontario that's somethingApr 16 03:27
twitterthe US does not track foreign mining or importsApr 16 03:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Oh. kmail hasn't synced my mail for 24 hours. how nice of it.Apr 16 03:28
twitterasbestos can now be put into floor tiles and other building materials as long as the glue does not break down, so the law is basically a farce.Apr 16 03:28
twitterGWB was trying to cap liability for makers.Apr 16 03:29
cubezzzand there were tons of asbestos in the twin towers evidentlyApr 16 03:29
twitteryes, they screwed the cleanup workersApr 16 03:29
twitter"air's safe"Apr 16 03:29
cubezzzbuilt in the 70's I believeApr 16 03:29
twitterthey put that stuff in joint compound, ceiling popcorn and other places you might not expect it.Apr 16 03:30
twitterLook up Libby, Montana for another horror story. Apr 16 03:30
cubezzzI've heard of itApr 16 03:31
twitterthey did not tell the workers they were mining asbestosApr 16 03:31
cubezzznastyApr 16 03:31
twittertold them the mineral name insteadApr 16 03:31
twitterGrace, the parent company, lives on.Apr 16 03:31
twitterthe mine made a report for themselves that showed that after 10 years of work 43% of the workers died, after 20, 90%Apr 16 03:32
cubezzzthere's a lot of nasty stuff, I know that PVC can release bad gases if exposed to flameApr 16 03:32
cubezzzor solvents tooApr 16 03:32
twitterdid you know they used asbestos to make water pipes?Apr 16 03:32
cubezzznopeApr 16 03:32
twitterThere was a big factory, right here in Alabama. Apr 16 03:33
twitterthey mixed it with cementApr 16 03:33
cubezzzoh, it was cheap I supposeApr 16 03:33
twitterfibers make it toughApr 16 03:33
twitterbut they also get lose Apr 16 03:33
cubezzzI think most of that stuff is made using ABS nowApr 16 03:33
twitterin some cities, fibers have actually clogged the pipes!Apr 16 03:33
cubezzza styrene polyer, pretty strong Apr 16 03:33
cubezzzyikesApr 16 03:34
cubezzzpolymerApr 16 03:34
twitterI'm not sure plastics are better, they can have endocrine disruptors - things that mimic estrogen - and are part of the reason girls grow tits at age 7 now.Apr 16 03:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Someone doing a job says things their boss wants them to. Don't blame them blame coercive !capitalism #hobsonschoiceApr 16 03:34
twitterI like iron, concrete, copper and ceramic pipes now but know that I'll be fed with plastic and perhaps asbestosApr 16 03:36
twittera water filter can help with the fibers, you don't want to eat themApr 16 03:36
twitterbut a lot of the water filters are made with .... plastics!Apr 16 03:36
cubezzzhospitals used polyproplene a lotApr 16 03:37
twitterperhaps I can find a nice activated charcoal and paper filter for my tap water Apr 16 03:37
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cubezzztwitter, my understanding is ABS is non-reactive mostlyApr 16 03:39
cubezzzcertainly non-reactive to waterApr 16 03:39
cubezzzfolks used to use cast iron for pipesApr 16 03:40
twitterpolyproplene may or may not have BPA in it.  Apr 16 03:40
twitterthe US does not regulate it.Apr 16 03:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] For fuck sake BBC click says OOOhh isn't it all wonderful and remember the BBC motto don't rock the boat. We have a license review soonish!Apr 16 03:41
twitterBPA is getting into surface water somehow ... 16 03:42
cubezzzwell it is used for food containersApr 16 03:42
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twitterbah, paywall1Apr 16 03:43
cubezzzpolypropylene -> used in tic-tac containers Apr 16 03:43
cubezzztons of other applications involving foodApr 16 03:43
twittertic-tac, a known health food Apr 16 03:43
cubezzz;-)Apr 16 03:44
twitterwidely used, like asbestosApr 16 03:44
cubezzzI've worked with polymers a fair bitApr 16 03:44
DaemonFCNexuiz runs a lot faster now that its texture compression support is enabled by GalliumApr 16 03:44
twitterexternalized costs, perhaps with some lawsuit limiting legislation down the line, all the money flows to someone elseApr 16 03:44
cubezzzI have good ventilation and a hard-core maskApr 16 03:44
twitterthe wife and I decided to move all of our cooking to stainless steel. I'd always preferred cast iron, she always liked non stick.  Apr 16 03:46
cubezzzpp -> plastic number 5Apr 16 03:46
twitterI just don't trust the maker to not put in softeners like BPA.  Apr 16 03:46
cubezzzyou could mix your own plastic :)Apr 16 03:46
twitterUS law is completely inadequate.Apr 16 03:46
DaemonFCLaunchpad kicked back my bug report because I'm using outdated versions of Mesa (7.11-dev) and GCC (4.6)Apr 16 03:47
DaemonFCniceApr 16 03:47
twitterSo I end up avoiding plastic for food especially cooking.Apr 16 03:47
twitterCans moved down the list.Apr 16 03:47
twitterno heating in plastic bagsApr 16 03:47
DaemonFCtwitter, You aren't Kevin Trudeau or anything are you?Apr 16 03:48
DaemonFCbecause I honestly have a tingling in my spidey sense about thisApr 16 03:48
twitter!google Kevin TrudeauApr 16 03:48
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Kevin Trudeau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 16 03:48
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TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Natural Remedies, Natural Health, Natural Cures, Herbal Remedies ... | 16 03:48
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - YouTube - John Stossel Exposes Liar Kevin Trudeau | 16 03:48
twitter!google twitterApr 16 03:48
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Twitter | 16 03:48
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Twitter Search | 16 03:48
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Twitter (twitter) on Twitter | 16 03:48
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Twitter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 16 03:48
twitterhmmmApr 16 03:48
DaemonFCcon artist, says all the food we eat is poison because if you eat enough of any of the chemicals in one sitting, you may dieApr 16 03:48
DaemonFCyou know, like, waterApr 16 03:49
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 03:49
twitter!google slashdot twitterApr 16 03:49
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cubezzzchemicals is a poor wordApr 16 03:49
DaemonFCif you drink too much of that in one sitting, you dieApr 16 03:49
cubezzzand you can drown too!Apr 16 03:49
twitterI agree, chemicals is a poor word choiceApr 16 03:49
DaemonFCThe truth about water that THEY don't want you to know aboutApr 16 03:49
twitterlike what makes all those frogs deformed in the ditch behind your houseApr 16 03:50
cubezzzthankfully the frogs around here seem OKApr 16 03:50
DaemonFCthat old dihydrogen monooxideApr 16 03:50
DaemonFCyou know it kills people every yearApr 16 03:50
twitterhave you had a good look at those frogs?Apr 16 03:50
DaemonFCbut some people just can't stay away from itApr 16 03:50
twitterlike count the defects per 100?Apr 16 03:50
cubezzztwitter, no, I can't say thatApr 16 03:51
DaemonFCI say it's addictive, because if you take it away long enough, the person will start begging for itApr 16 03:51
DaemonFCclearly at this point, an exorcism is indicatedApr 16 03:51
DaemonFCJesus will save this poor fellowApr 16 03:51
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 03:51
Ender2070LOL Kevin TrudeauApr 16 03:51
twitterI worked with plastics for a while and was a member of the Society of Plastics EngineersApr 16 03:51
Ender2070everyone with that last name is a crookApr 16 03:52
twitterso the toxic nature of softeners and flame retardants is a real downer to meApr 16 03:52
DaemonFCEnder2070, He has some cures, you seeApr 16 03:52
DaemonFCbuy his book for $49.95Apr 16 03:52
DaemonFCthen find out that the real cures are on his websiteApr 16 03:52
Ender2070yo I saw him on this infomercialApr 16 03:52
DaemonFClifetime membership is only $495Apr 16 03:52
Ender2070it was very enlighteningApr 16 03:52
DaemonFCthen once you pay that you get such gems as drink vinegar when you have acid refluxApr 16 03:53
Ender2070he was offering another book for FREE if you bought his Debt Cures bookApr 16 03:53
DaemonFC(huh?)Apr 16 03:53
twitterI help doctors cure cancer, but I'd rather there be something better Apr 16 03:53
Ender2070which is ironyApr 16 03:53
Ender2070twitter - cure cancer by killing people with radiation?Apr 16 03:53
twittereveryone diesApr 16 03:53
DaemonFCI drink a glass of water with a teaspoon of baking soda, that's what "they" don't want you to knowApr 16 03:53
twitterthe doctors know the difference between useful palliation and radiation injury Apr 16 03:54
Ender2070Dr Lorraine Day, world expert on AIDS, got rid of her own cancer by switching her dietApr 16 03:54
DaemonFCinstead of $40 for a week of PrilosecApr 16 03:54
DaemonFCyou can down a glass of water with a little backing sodeApr 16 03:54
DaemonFC*sodaApr 16 03:54
DaemonFCfor about a penny a dayApr 16 03:54
Ender2070of course people wont listen to her cause shes a naziApr 16 03:54
twitterI've seen a few people try to treat themselves with diet.  At some point your body needs help. Apr 16 03:54
Ender2070how do you help your body by destroying your immune system with radiationApr 16 03:55
cubezzzI was told to eat fibreous foodsApr 16 03:55
twitterThe natural course of the disease is not pretty.Apr 16 03:55
Ender2070would you use radiation on someone healthyApr 16 03:55
DaemonFCpeople buy anything with a flashy label even if it is expensive, and doesn't really work, and should be setting off alarm bells just by thinking about itApr 16 03:55
DaemonFCbecause people are dumbApr 16 03:55
DaemonFCand people like Trudeau are millionaires due to thisApr 16 03:55
twitterabsolutely not, and I recommend you stay out of TSA scanners - those idiots don't know what they are doing.Apr 16 03:55
Ender2070lol exactlyApr 16 03:56
Ender2070stop eating toxic food and you dont need all thatApr 16 03:56
Ender2070pure, fresh, organic raw vegtablesApr 16 03:56
twitterthat would be niceApr 16 03:56
Ender2070you are what you eatApr 16 03:56
DaemonFCtoxic food......hmmmmmApr 16 03:56
DaemonFCby that do you mean past the expiration date?\Apr 16 03:56
Ender2070meat is toxic for exampleApr 16 03:56
DaemonFCor someone poured DDT on his sandwich?Apr 16 03:56
Ender2070it goes rotten before you digest itApr 16 03:57
Ender2070i still eat it thoughApr 16 03:57
Ender2070cause its tasteyApr 16 03:57
Ender2070LOLApr 16 03:57
DaemonFCproper cooking = safeApr 16 03:57
Ender2070you cant really cook the hormones outApr 16 03:57
DaemonFCundercooked = potential hospital visitApr 16 03:57
twittertry cooking BCE out of your meat ...Apr 16 03:58
twitterand thanks to some jackasses in Colorado, wild game is not safe either 16 03:59
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DaemonFCyeah, British beefApr 16 03:59
DaemonFCit explains schestowitz Apr 16 03:59
Ender2070and Apr 16 03:59
DaemonFCwhat about me?Apr 16 03:59
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 03:59
Ender2070adrenalineApr 16 03:59
Ender2070yumApr 16 03:59
twitterthey spread it in their scat tooApr 16 03:59
DaemonFCtwitter, I take it you don't want any of the bacon cheeseburgers I'm going to make laterApr 16 04:00
twitterothers graze where the first craps, they get rectal protein and can pass it to hunters because they don't live long enough to show signsApr 16 04:00
twitterI'll eat beef, thanks.Apr 16 04:00
DaemonFCtwitter, You've never been hunting have you?Apr 16 04:01
twitternot for deer but my family does all the timeApr 16 04:01
DaemonFCa meal for me, and one less of those damned things to hit with my carApr 16 04:01
DaemonFCdouble winApr 16 04:01
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 04:01
DaemonFCnothing that stands there in the middle of the road looking at an oncoming truck going 70 miles an hour deserves to liveApr 16 04:02
DaemonFCbut it makes a fine stewApr 16 04:02
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 04:02
DaemonFCwell, maybe not that particular oneApr 16 04:03
DaemonFCno telling where all the pieces landedApr 16 04:03
DaemonFCbut you get my pointApr 16 04:03
twitterwell, good luck with thatApr 16 04:04
twittergnApr 16 04:04
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DaemonFCdon't encourage the vegans!Apr 16 04:05
DaemonFCor I'll sic some emos on youApr 16 04:05
DaemonFC 16 04:06
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DaemonFCFirst the Windows 7 burger and now this?Apr 16 04:06
DaemonFCYou'd think that Microsoft would be mad at Burger King for killing off all their customers via heart attackApr 16 04:07
DaemonFChmmmApr 16 04:07
DaemonFCoh well, it's Japan, we should just be glad it's not the 7 layer endangered whale fin burgerApr 16 04:09
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 04:09
DaemonFCWas that racist? Do I care?Apr 16 04:09
DaemonFCgood job guys, pack it upApr 16 04:13
DaemonFCtoss the rest of the carcass into the sea to rotApr 16 04:13
DaemonFCsharks will clean it upApr 16 04:13
DaemonFCcircle of life and allApr 16 04:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I don't know if it's me, or if theme controls have changed drastically via update, but i can't find the CSS files... argh :(Apr 16 04:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ahh fuzz.. things i had fixed in css reverted.... grumble. i will be unhappy if it turns out they've removed css editing from this themeApr 16 04:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] hah... they think they can stop noobs like me from messing with the precious css code? well think again! mwah ha ha ...Apr 16 04:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] [of course now i must figure out how to re-make the changes made previously]Apr 16 05:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @lamm yes, it's similar where I live in rural Ontario also.Apr 16 05:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Suit over #prayer day is dismissed #constitution #secular #humanistApr 16 05:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] spamtron, code, live. nice.Apr 16 05:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The fact that millions of *educated adults* talk to an imaginary friend, ask him for favors, etc., just saddens me sometimes. #religionApr 16 05:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Evolution cannot explain existence of creationists, concedes #Dawkins #humorApr 16 05:33
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Ender2070oh manApr 16 05:49
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Ender2070I thought they would use Opera like they did beforeApr 16 05:49
Ender2070it does support Flash thoughApr 16 05:51
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twitterMicrosoft Jack's mindless attack on Roy irritated me, so I'm having a look at his writing.Apr 16 06:35
twitterHere's a fun one.  It looks like Microsoft targeted Google's free video format for harassment.  Microsoft Jack let's Windows users know it's going to be painful and blames Google.  Classic Microsoft attack, just like they did to DrDOS.Apr 16 06:37
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twitter-> " Microsoft Windows will not let you delete files if it is using them, and MKV files seem to be a common culprit. MKV stands for Matroska Video, ...(the container Google is using for WebM video in HTML5.)"Apr 16 06:39
twitterhe goes through some idiotic work arounds to this Microsoft problem, including a start up script to erase all files of this type " Windows has loaded" and erasing the folder containing the file!Apr 16 06:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @bkuhn @zahra, !Linux -based systems are difficult in that you don't just memorize facts #Microsoft wants you to know, you have to *l ...Apr 16 06:41
twitterWindows, so easy to use that your grand mom will never have to use the command line to get what she wants.Apr 16 06:41
twitterHere's a funny one where he's noticed that, " It's somewhat easier to clone Windows if you do it under the control of a different operating system, typically Linux, or a separate server.".  Earth to Jack, almost everything is easier outside of Microsoft. 16 06:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cloning a Windows hard drive | Ask Jack | Technology | .::. Size~: 173.37 KBApr 16 06:43
twitterOf course, he's getting onto my Windows 7 hype log.  Apr 16 06:43
twitterThe attack on Google's movie format will probably make it to the Vista 7 failure log.Apr 16 06:44
twitterThanks, Jack!  Apr 16 06:44
twitterHe sure is prolific, writing one or two of these articles of his a day.  Apr 16 06:46
twitterShame on the Guardian for pairing this picture with this story. 16 06:48
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twitterimage is of what looks like an Indian call center.  Apr 16 06:48
twitterWhy not use any of the charming ad copy phone service images we see all the time with a happy smiling person or some kind of model office instead of a messy, foreign office? Apr 16 06:50
twittera little xenophobia to sell the message?Apr 16 06:51
twitterLooks like Microsoft sabotage of Chromium Browser and Gmail.  Let's ask Jack what he thinks? 16 06:53
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twitter-> " This kind of problem is almost impossible to debug, because there are too many variables. First, Google ... Second, Google ... Third, Google ...   Even if you are using Microsoft Windows – most people do – it has no control over the other software you have loaded."  Apr 16 06:56
twitterWay to blame Google!  Extra points for making it look like non free software issues [the impossibility of a comprehensive package manager] is somehow Google's fault.  Apr 16 06:58
cubezzztwitter, early you mentioned BCEApr 16 06:58
cubezzzI think you mean BSEApr 16 06:58
cubezzzBovine Spongiform EncephalopathyApr 16 06:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #longterm #kernel released ; was quickly followed by to fix one bugApr 16 07:06
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twitteryeah, thanks cubezzApr 16 07:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] One of these years I'll get through Monster. seems like every time I try to watch it, its been just long enough that I have to start from e1Apr 16 07:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #longterm #kernel released ; was quickly superseded by to fix one bugApr 16 07:08
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twitterJack seems to get a lot of questions about "speeding up Windows." 16 07:08
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twitterhere, he recommends trying Puppy Linux or Ubuntu ... Steve Balmer is going to spank him. 16 07:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Breathing new life into an old Windows laptop | Ask Jack | Technology | .::. Size~: 246.44 KBApr 16 07:09
twitterit's in the last paragraph. Apr 16 07:09
twitterEven Microsoft Jack can't avoid the L word when it comes to performance and getting around restrictions.Apr 16 07:10
twitter 16 07:11
TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: Windows 7 just overtook XP in the United States, says Royal Pingdon (using Statcounter numbers) #microsoftApr 16 07:11
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: Has Windows 7 already passed XP in the UK? by me at ZDNet 16 07:11
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twitterI'm laughing at his stats because they show all versions of Windows at about 25%Apr 16 07:13
twitterthe ususal "Linux is 1%" lie is told by the supposed statistics but they can't hide how fragmented the Windows world is.  Apr 16 07:14
twitterI'm deeply suspicious of the statistics, especially that Vista ever got out of single digit use.  Despite being on all new computers, almost no one could stand Vista for more than six months.Apr 16 07:16
cubezzzwhat does he say the linux market share is?Apr 16 07:18
twitterless than 1%, of courseApr 16 07:18
cubezzzmost say around 4 or 5% Apr 16 07:18
twitternot Jack's stats!Apr 16 07:18
cubezzzsee, I blame the OEMs for the current situationApr 16 07:19
twitterthere is no situationApr 16 07:19
cubezzzin the 80's we had tons of choicesApr 16 07:19
cubezzzright, but go into a chain store and ask for a linux computerApr 16 07:19
cubezzzyou can get a linux tv, yesApr 16 07:19
twitterpeople like Jacks continue to sing the upgrade song of greed, -> " he failure to keep up with the times may save money in the short term, but usually builds up a "technical debt" (PDF) that has to be paid eventually. The bills are now starting to come in."Apr 16 07:20
cubezzzlinux ereader tooApr 16 07:20
Ender2070you could build your own PCApr 16 07:20
twitterJack is trying to build the case for buying a new PC or moving a company to Vista 7.Apr 16 07:20
cubezzzright, well of course he's wrongApr 16 07:21
twitterHe's not in the real world, he's in Microsoft la la land. Apr 16 07:21
cubezzzthere's a term I encountered recently.... Manufactured DemandApr 16 07:21
twitterI see that he was singing Vista 7's praises in 2009Apr 16 07:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Libre Office 3.4 Beta 1 - Attempted Review: #libreoffice #software #fossApr 16 07:21
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cubezzzit applies to bottled water, but it obviously applies to computers as wellApr 16 07:21
twitterthe better term is planned obsolescence Apr 16 07:22
cubezzzyesApr 16 07:22
twitternon free software is a long chain of artificial upheavals designed to sell more of the same and waste hardwareApr 16 07:22
cubezzzwell that's why I'm an aficionado of retrocomputing to a certain degreeApr 16 07:23
twitterfree software does not obsolete hardware the way non free software doesApr 16 07:24
cubezzzpeople can choose to be free, but they have to take that first stepApr 16 07:25
cubezzzyes, exactly so :)Apr 16 07:25
twitterMicrosoft keeps their slaves too busy to learn about freedom. Apr 16 07:25
cubezzzwell there is always home-brew Apr 16 07:27
twitterhe he, more of the greed song ... Desktops will come roaring back to market dominance, yeah! 16 07:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: While PC shipments will grow to a million per day, netbooks are in decline | ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 73.2 KBApr 16 07:27
twitterthis miracle failed to materialize, instead people are using Android. Apr 16 07:28
cubezzzwow, he really hates Linux doesn't heApr 16 07:29
twitterbut he did put a nice spin on Microsoft's destruction of the netbook marketApr 16 07:29
twitterInstead of showing how Microsoft crushed Asus's profits and put hard drive and Windows 7 boat anchors onto netbooks, he says consumers just hated the smaller notebooks that just happen to look and work like previously coveted and ultra expensive, "ultra portable" notebooks....Apr 16 07:31
cubezzzI really like fit-pc2 actuallyApr 16 07:31
cubezzzand acer has linpus, an offshoot of Fedora so...Apr 16 07:32
cubezzzit works well on the new acer boxesApr 16 07:32
cubezzzx3810 for example, probably considered "old" now thoughApr 16 07:33
cubezzzlemote is probably better for hackers, if you want a netbookApr 16 07:35
cubezzzit's got PMONApr 16 07:35
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twitterWow, I missed this. 16 07:36
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twitterA Microsoft executive admits to double dipping sales of Windows 7 and explains the importance of NetApplications web stats to Microsoft.Apr 16 07:37
twitter->" Q. Windows XP is no longer on sale but presumably your 240m includes PCs running XP using downgrade rights? A. Yes, it's 240m licences sold. Another statistic from NetApplications shows that 17% of PCs are running Windows 7. If there are 1.2 billion PCs, that's about 200 million PCs."Apr 16 07:37
twitterThat's two amazing admissions right there.Apr 16 07:38
twitterIf only another Microsoft executive will flub up and admit they game net stats, they will have admitted some big fraud Apr 16 07:39
cubezzzI'm interested in FOSS OSes, in particular the lighter weight onesApr 16 07:39
twitterawesome, the same guy admits that Microsoft wants people to throw away their old software!Apr 16 07:41
twitter Q. Are companies clinging to IE6 proving much of a barrier to adoption? A. It varies from customer to customer, obviously. Our experience is that it's either super-easy or it's very hard. It's kind of binary. What we find is that the fear is worse than the reality, if they use some of the deployment tools and methodologies we've provided, and some of the virtualisation technologies. It's almost ten years since some customers have done thApr 16 07:41
cubezzznooo, not my Xenix....Apr 16 07:42
twitterSo, that's their solution, give up.Apr 16 07:42
cubezzzj/kApr 16 07:42
twitterif places are going to give up their software, they might as well gain something real by moving to gnu/linuxApr 16 07:42
cubezzzthere's tons of stuff nowApr 16 07:42
twitterif they move to Windows 7, they will just be forced with the same choices two years down the road when M$ and partners decide they need to make more money.Apr 16 07:43
twitterof course there's tons of stuff in the gnu/linux world, that's the point.Apr 16 07:43
cubezzzyes but there's tons of stuff as well as GNU/Linux Apr 16 07:44
twitterwhy do companies fool around with software that vanishes when they could just hold onto free software that works?Apr 16 07:44
twitterand keeps workdingApr 16 07:44
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cubezzzbecause they are ignorant Apr 16 07:45
twittermore google fud from jack 16 07:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google's blobby mystery doodle consumes more CPU than Flash video (updated) | ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 59.84 KBApr 16 07:53
cubezzzthat's really a puff pieceApr 16 07:53
twitterIt might do that, on Windows.  Did he try it on gnu/linux or mac?Apr 16 07:54
twitteror did he just fud Google for the sake of it?Apr 16 07:54
twitterI'm still trying to get over the fact that Boeing threw away more than 30% of their software just to move to Windows 7.  Did they really move to Windows 7?  How do they justify such waste?Apr 16 08:03
cubezzzwhat were they using before?Apr 16 08:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Or do you figure that if you give them a finger, they will eat the whole hand?Apr 16 08:06
twitterI presume Boeing was using XP but don't know.Apr 16 08:08
twitterdon't careApr 16 08:08
twitterit's crazy of them to spend migration money on Windows 7 and then have to reinvent 1/3rd of all their wheels..  They would have been better of with gnu/linuxApr 16 08:09
twittersurely, Boeing won't be so stupid as to use Windows in their ariplanes.... Apr 16 08:10
twitterHere's some more mindless Microsoft cheering at the expense of gnu/linux from Jack 16 08:11
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twitter" Anyone reading comments on the Technology blog might get the idea that 90% of our readers use either Mac OS X or Ubuntu. Indeed, we do have a much higher proportion of Mac and Linux users than their global market shares, which look more like 4% and 1% respectively." Apr 16 08:12
twitterhmph.Apr 16 08:12
twitterthese days I expect them to be Linux Android usersApr 16 08:13
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cubezzztwitter, accordin to netcraft the guardian is running mostly Solaris 9Apr 16 08:15
cubezzzput that in your pipe and smoke it Jacko! :)Apr 16 08:15
DaemonFCyeah, Solaris still has a nicheApr 16 08:17
DaemonFCI'm questioning Oracle's commitment to BtrFSApr 16 08:18
DaemonFCthe only legitimate gripe they have about Linux are its file systemsApr 16 08:18
Ender2070doesnt matterApr 16 08:18
Ender2070BtrFS is being worked on by more than just OracleApr 16 08:18
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DaemonFCBtrFS still isn't really usableApr 16 08:19
Ender2070sure it isApr 16 08:19
DaemonFCno fsck, the on disk format changed the second you boot into a newer kernelApr 16 08:19
Ender2070at least powering off your pc in the middle of a write wont corrupt dataApr 16 08:19
DaemonFCand there's no way to get it backApr 16 08:19
DaemonFClet's see, what else? :)Apr 16 08:19
DaemonFCno official GRUB supportApr 16 08:19
Ender2070liesApr 16 08:19
Ender2070dude, its in slackwareApr 16 08:19
Ender2070when its there - its readyApr 16 08:19
DaemonFCokApr 16 08:19
DaemonFCno fsck and changing on disk formatApr 16 08:20
Ender2070they have it working in LILOApr 16 08:20
Ender2070:PApr 16 08:20
Ender2070FUDApr 16 08:20
DaemonFCthat's enough even without the patched GRUB you need to boot it withApr 16 08:20
Ender2070what do you need fsck when your filesystem repairs itself?Apr 16 08:20
Ender2070nubApr 16 08:20
DaemonFCso why do they themselves say stay away until it has fsck?Apr 16 08:20
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 08:20
Ender2070who is theyApr 16 08:20
Ender2070Redhat is making btrfs a default soonApr 16 08:21
DaemonFCthe btrfs wiki was saying thatApr 16 08:21
Ender2070its never updated, the wikiApr 16 08:21
Ender2070why dont you try to stop spreading FUD for a whileApr 16 08:21
Ender2070their wiki says the format changesApr 16 08:21
Ender2070which is wrongApr 16 08:21
DaemonFCso you're telling me that if I boot up a Linux 2.6.39 kernel......that it will for sure, boot, with a 2.6.38 kernel laterApr 16 08:22
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DaemonFCI tried it once on Ubuntu Natty and GRUB wouldn't boot itApr 16 08:23
Ender2070alsoApr 16 08:23
Ender2070there is btrfsckApr 16 08:23
DaemonFC 16 08:24
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DaemonFCAs already discussed, the main concern against BTRFS is not stability, but the lack of a functional fsck utility. Apr 16 08:24
Ender2070btrfsckApr 16 08:25
DaemonFCthere's also newer posts I've seen where they keep saying functional fsck is still not thereApr 16 08:25
DaemonFC:PApr 16 08:25
Ender2070I see lots of posts everywhere where people can't readApr 16 08:25
DaemonFCand even if it is soon, Ubuntu has already frozen their btrfsprogs packageApr 16 08:25
Ender2070like I saidApr 16 08:25
Ender2070Slackware has itApr 16 08:25
Ender2070its readyApr 16 08:25
DaemonFCfrom what I gather, it can tell you the filesystem  has errors and can't fix themApr 16 08:26
DaemonFCFedora 15 is still defaulting to Ext4Apr 16 08:26
Ender2070Debian 6 has itApr 16 08:26
Diablo-D3has what?Apr 16 08:26
Ender2070btrfsApr 16 08:27
DaemonFCyeah, only because they ship a version of the kernel that's 6 releases behindApr 16 08:27
DaemonFC7 if you count 2.6.39, which is already stable enoughApr 16 08:27
DaemonFCso I'm sure it works "great" on Debian (sarcasm)Apr 16 08:27
DaemonFCWhat about Edward Shishken who said that BtrFS is fundamentally broken and will give you out of space errors when it has dozens of GB left on the partition?Apr 16 08:28
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 08:28
Diablo-D3uh, yes, virtually everything doesApr 16 08:29
DaemonFCI don't think it's trustworthy, at least not yetApr 16 08:29
Diablo-D3infact, several distros will be switching to btrfs in the near future as defaultApr 16 08:29
Ender2070DaemonFC - i dont trust your opinion on filesystems Mr runs-xfs-as-rootApr 16 08:29
DaemonFCjust because some distributions let you use a broken prerelease version of it with the understanding that it will probably eat your data doesn't make it readyApr 16 08:30
DaemonFCmy root partition is XFSApr 16 08:30
DaemonFCand there's nothing wrong with thatApr 16 08:30
DaemonFCXFS has been around for a long long long time and unlike btrfs, I know about what I can expect out of itApr 16 08:31
DaemonFCand XFS got a lot faster in Linux 2.6.39 btwApr 16 08:31
DaemonFCthose corner cases like deleting small files aren't really an issue anymoreApr 16 08:32
Ender2070I'd rather use reiser3Apr 16 08:32
DaemonFCon a uniprocessor system, maybeApr 16 08:32
DaemonFCif you don't mind that Reiser3 is not only not scalable, but unreliableApr 16 08:33
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 08:33
DaemonFCand barely maintainedApr 16 08:33
DaemonFC:DApr 16 08:33
DaemonFCReiserFS is about the worst filesystem you can use on a multiprocessor systemApr 16 08:33
DaemonFCXFS and Ext4 both provide good performance and decent scalability Apr 16 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] state of #maharashtra in #india inviting ethical hackers to break their voting machines: 16 08:34
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Ender2070and reiser4, your data might go missing with little traceApr 16 08:35
Ender2070you'll have to offer a reduced punishment to recover your filesApr 16 08:35
DaemonFCdon't worry, the police daemons will uncover it eventuallyApr 16 08:36
DaemonFCbut decomp might have set inApr 16 08:36
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 08:36
Ender2070that ones a conspiracy theory tooApr 16 08:36
DaemonFCuhhhm, 1. You have to patch Reiser4 into the kernel to use it and 2. VFS doesn't support all of its features once you get it thereApr 16 08:37
DaemonFCso BtrFS is at least better than thatApr 16 08:37
Ender2070I really like ZFSApr 16 08:38
Ender2070howeverApr 16 08:39
Ender2070something needs to be done about filesystemsApr 16 08:39
Ender2070the file/directory idea is stupid nowApr 16 08:39
schestowitz"I would rather not imply so blindly that Microsoft paid for it (at least until someone can confirm/deny), but in general, Microsoft does not like competition and a paid endorsement requires that the competition is not even mentioned. I have gotten hold of OEM agreements (e.g. Acer, Dell) and there are explicit conditions imposed regarding what's visible and what's not, e.g. link to competing browser. But anyway, it would be useful to Apr 16 08:41
schestowitzknow why the only tab with a brand name says "Windows 7" and not even "Windows" or "Microsoft". By the way, we also have clear evidence that "[Vendor] recommends Windows 7" is a paid advertisement, it's not really a recommendation. A shop leaked the documents to us."Apr 16 08:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @themadhatter What are the benefits of copyright beyond death if copyright cannot be assigned?Apr 16 08:41
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz If POV diversity is a good thing, why don't you accept that I'm entitled to my point of view? Why do you insult and vilify me?Apr 16 08:42
Ender2070he forgot 'Dr'Apr 16 08:42
Ender2070you didnt spend 6 years in evil medical school to be called a MRApr 16 08:43
schestowitz"@jackschofield it's not true. I refer to the opinion."Apr 16 08:43
DaemonFCMicrosoft recommends "We recommend Windows 7" stickers if we know what's good for our volume licensing price :)Apr 16 08:43
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz Yes, I certainly have. Got paid for it, too.Apr 16 08:43
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TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz I suspect some of the people who think you are biased and prejudiced have contributed more to open source than you ever will.Apr 16 08:43
schestowitz"@jackschofield in in Free software, not "open source""Apr 16 08:44
schestowitz 16 08:44
TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @schestowitz Well, calling someone "Microsoft Florian" is far more immature, and a *lot* nastier than using a simple tag like #boycottboyApr 16 08:44
schestowitz"@jackschofield it's not rude at all. It's like you calling me "Linux Roy""Apr 16 08:45
schestowitzOne of the trolls who harasses me steps in 16 08:45
TechrightsBot-tr@akshatj_96: @schestowitz @jackschofield Oh, can I see the open source software you claim to write?Apr 16 08:45
schestowitzGiven his attacks on me, I'd not feed that latter guyApr 16 08:46
DaemonFCVERSION Reply from schestowitz Mibbit on Internet Explorer 6 running on Windows 2000Apr 16 08:47
DaemonFCyo dawg, I heard you needed an upgrade :PApr 16 08:48
schestowitz"so can can..."Apr 16 08:48
schestowitz*herd"?Apr 16 08:48
Ender2070im wondering why schestowitz is being held to a different standard than other journalistsApr 16 08:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ASU's idiot sun dollar thing lets me deposti to random ID numbers. Jessica Jackson, you just won 20$, and I can't do my laundry now.Apr 16 08:49
Ender2070i'd like to find sources in any newspaperApr 16 08:50
DaemonFCbecause he self publishes like Kevin TrudeauApr 16 08:50
DaemonFCof courseApr 16 08:50
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 08:50
Ender2070journalists often hide sources, to protect peopleApr 16 08:50
DaemonFChe's a former insider who is just dying to tell you his secrets, and if you buy enough of his books and website subscriptions, he may tell you one of them somedayApr 16 08:51
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 08:51
twitterha ha, I doubt the troll would know what he was looking at if he knew where to look ->  @akshatj_96: @schestowitz @jackschofield Oh, can I see the open source software you claim to write?Apr 16 08:54
Ender2070'I'm a liberal, not a Republican.' - RoyApr 16 08:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] * For safety purposes, we cannot allow two identical transactions within a two hour period. This transaction is an exact duplicate of aApr 16 08:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 86 million downloads on 2011-04-16 07:52 UTCApr 16 08:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] previous attempt so please change either the amount or the credit card used to avoid unnecessary charges.Apr 16 08:54
schestowitztwitter: it's all in my siteApr 16 08:55
schestowitzHe can't find it? :-)Apr 16 08:55
schestowitzIt's not a genuine questionApr 16 08:55
schestowitzIt's innuendoApr 16 08:55
Ender2070The context in which I wrote this post was a claim from Microsoft Florian (the lobbyist) that IBM was to blame for the crash -- a lie which he repeated several times.Apr 16 08:56
Ender2070why does Florian hate IBM so muchApr 16 08:56
Ender2070SCO?Apr 16 08:57
twitterut, oh.  here come the mono trolls -> @jackschofield: @schestowitz I suspect some of the people who think you are biased and prejudiced have contributed more to open source than you ever will.Apr 16 08:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] I HAVE CONQUERED YOU. I AM IN YOU LAUNDRY MACHINE.Apr 16 08:58
twitterI agree -> schestowitz: It's not a genuine questionApr 16 08:59
schestowitzI iignore this guyApr 16 09:03
schestowitzHe huddles around the same people... Icaza, Florian...Apr 16 09:03
schestowitzJack is openly seen sidling with them and chatting with them, which gives away his 'side'Apr 16 09:04
twitterSo.  I wonder why Jack came out and attacked you in comments.  Instead of rebutting his nonsense, you might have done well by asking him why he came to smear you out of the blue.  Make him give details instead of generalizations.  Apr 16 09:05
twitterA journalist praised your careful research and good quality writing.  Microsoft Jack appears from thin air to claim you are some kind of insulting ass.  Why?Apr 16 09:06
twitterEven "Evangelism is war" does not recommend crapping on individuals like that.  I know the company and fans do it but they are starting to look bad doing it.Apr 16 09:07
twitterI don't think Florian won any points crapping on PJ.Apr 16 09:08
twitterand I don't think they will win any crapping on you.Apr 16 09:08
twitterI predicted they would do this, but I don't think it's a good idea for them.  Too bad they don't know any thing else.Apr 16 09:17
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DaemonFCEnder2070, Speaking of XFS :)Apr 16 09:20
DaemonFCit's about half the size it was a couple of years agoApr 16 09:20
DaemonFCthey've been removing XFS specific code that is already in the VFS layer and pointing it there insteadApr 16 09:21
DaemonFCcleaner driver code, bug fixes in the VFS fix bugs in XFS, and it's faster, takes less memory, and is half the XFS-specific code for them to maintainApr 16 09:22
DaemonFCit used to be a lot uglier than it is todayApr 16 09:22
DaemonFCBtrFS has a lot of new features, but a lot of them don't really interest me because they're there to help maintain things like RAID arrays and clusters and all kinds of fancy stuff I don't haveApr 16 09:23
DaemonFCxfsdump to tar a partition to an external drive is still fine for meApr 16 09:23
DaemonFCa monthly freeze and thaw is not that much of a pain in the assApr 16 09:24
DaemonFCand how long will it go on where BtrFS has data loss bugs that have to be fixed and fixed and fixed, and long story short, given their track record with file systems....Apr 16 09:24
DaemonFCI might trust it, about a year after they call it stableApr 16 09:24
DaemonFCand this stable file system starts eating data on Ubuntu and Fedora systems where the user has rolled it out prematurelyApr 16 09:25
DaemonFCYou probably saw how much trouble Ext4 has been, and that's just from tacking on some of XFS's features onto Ext3Apr 16 09:26
DaemonFCI think Ext4 is probably where most Linux distributions should be defaulting to right now, and I would advise any user that knows what is good for them to change it back to Ext4 for a while past the official BtrFS 1.0Apr 16 09:28
DaemonFCit's still flagged as 0.29 right now with "EXPERIMENTAL unstable data format" next to it, I don't think it should qualify as a default file system on any Linux distro out this yearApr 16 09:28
DaemonFCbut it won't be my data it has for breakfast, so knock yourself out :)Apr 16 09:29
DaemonFCnow maybe I'm just being cynical when I saw this, but at the moment, they're still slinging hundreds of bug fixes into every kernel revision, it doesn't sound like something to be trustedApr 16 09:30
schestowitz:-)Apr 16 09:30
Ender2070didnt know it was in 0.29Apr 16 09:31
DaemonFCthat's what Linux 2.6.39's menuconfig still saysApr 16 09:31
DaemonFCmy spidey sense tells me that BtrFS isn't ready and that nobody should be encouraged to do anything but test it out as a curiosity Apr 16 09:32
DaemonFCNow, the question to ask is what the hell it is doing in the kernel at all at this point next to all the well-behaved file systemsApr 16 09:33
DaemonFCI think it probably fits in more with Staging driversApr 16 09:33
DaemonFCEnder2070, The last time I was running a website, it was on Ext2 :/Apr 16 09:35
DaemonFCof course Red Hat shipped with Netscape Navigator 4Apr 16 09:35
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 09:35
DaemonFCso I was busy making pages that looked right in Netscape 4Apr 16 09:36
DaemonFCthat usually did something terrible in IE or OperaApr 16 09:36
DaemonFCI was getting some messages to the effect of the page wouldn't work in IEApr 16 09:37
DaemonFCand I replied along the lines of "Netscape runs on lots of systems, IE only runs on certain versions of Windows, go complain to Microsoft"Apr 16 09:37
DaemonFC:PApr 16 09:37
DaemonFCschestowitz, I figure that if someone insists on keeping Windows, the best thing I can do for them is to install Firefox and hide or disable IE somehowApr 16 09:39
DaemonFCI usually do that whenever someone asks me to clear up some malware infestationApr 16 09:39
DaemonFCInterestingly whenever someone tells me that they lost data to XFS and I ask them for their /etc/fstab, they've usually gone and added some "tweaks" that are known to risk data lossApr 16 09:41
DaemonFC8 log buffers of 256k each = disaster when the system goes downApr 16 09:41
DaemonFCand all so it can be 5% faster when you're deleting a kernel treeApr 16 09:42
DaemonFC:DApr 16 09:42
DaemonFCBest advice is leave it alone, and the only speedup that gives you a big boost with not all that much risk is delaylogApr 16 09:43
DaemonFCwhich is the 2.6.39 defaultApr 16 09:43
DaemonFCEnder2070, One thing I haven't heard much about is how BtrFS handles fragmentationApr 16 09:46
DaemonFCXFS has the xfs_fsr toolApr 16 09:47
DaemonFCExt4 people still like to pretend it can't happenApr 16 09:47
DaemonFCthey think a backup and a format is a perfectly acceptable thing to tell a user whose partition has fragmented a lotApr 16 09:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] LinuxCon to feature Red Hat, WebOS, Ubuntu and more as Linux turns 20 - PC Advisor 16 10:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Launchpad News: Why does Launchpad have 300 critical bugs? 16 10:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] That last page link seems a bit slowApr 16 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] wooo! multihead fixes for plasma-desktop contributed by Alberto Mattea! i have never seen multihead contribs before from external persons!Apr 16 10:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] that includes plasma-desktop as well as kicker in kde3! it was always us core hackers who don't even use it. sooo nice!Apr 16 10:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] China sentences a businesswoman to death for being a smart entrepreneur 16 10:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] FBI wages war against legal poker sites #wtf?Apr 16 10:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I wonder if Android will be enough to save Silverlight from oblivion?Apr 16 10:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] When fund-raising is a crime -- death sentence for a young businesswoman chills entrepreneurs #chinaApr 16 10:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Great comment. Government abuse has astronomically larger impact than terrorist attacks. Should we fear the terrorists? 16 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why Does The Entertainment Industry Seek To Kill Any Innovation That's Helping It Adapt? - why indeed?Apr 16 11:04
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schestowitzHi asdfas2wefwApr 16 11:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Damn it! :(Apr 16 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ten million free media files and counting - "All files on #Wikimedia Commons can be used for any purpose": quite rightApr 16 11:08
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asdfas2wefwShare your operating system bundling tales with the EUApr 16 11:11
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oiaohmasdfas2wefw: ? does you handle stand for anything or is it just pot luck?Apr 16 11:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 56% of Peoples' 1st Wikipedia Edits Are Good - #wikipedia: not dead yet #sharing #cognitivesurpusApr 16 11:14
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oiaohmmy oiaohm= Ok I am over here mateApr 16 11:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New Zealand's 3-strikes rule can go into effect in September - aka unseemly haste #nz #3strikesApr 16 11:16
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asdfas2wefw@oiaohm, it is pseudo randomApr 16 11:17
asdfas2wefwlearning IRCApr 16 11:17
oiaohmGreat New Zealand has 3-strikes and Australia has posiablity of being sued for software patents.Apr 16 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Company allows GPLv3'ed Javascript libraries to be distributed as EUPL - unusual #licensingApr 16 11:18
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oiaohmSo now both countries sux that I can stay in without any major paper work.Apr 16 11:18
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schestowitzasdfas2wefw: hi, thanks for the linksApr 16 11:20
schestowitzI already have a draft with about 4 new links on the subjectApr 16 11:20
schestowitzI intend to think about how to approach the issue productively and I will most likely link to leaked OEM dealsc/contracts we have from ComesApr 16 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RIM Said Weighing Bid to Top #Google Offer for #Nortel Patents - this could get messy #patentsApr 16 11:21
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oiaohmasdfas2wefw: something that is commonly overlooked is the crapware effect.Apr 16 11:21
oiaohmasdfas2wefw: Windows can cost negitive to put on a machine due to the software bundled with it.Apr 16 11:22
oiaohmasdfas2wefw: and there is no requirement of produces to declare this kick back.Apr 16 11:22
oiaohmasdfas2wefw: Its a issue against custom builders like me.  People people have trouble working out why our machines cost a little more.Apr 16 11:25
oiaohmasdfas2wefw: Ie no crap discount.Apr 16 11:25
asdfas2wefwI don't see a barrier for the OEMs to having crapware for linux or haiku, it's not even necessary to port it, just include WINE...Apr 16 11:27
oiaohmasdfas2wefw: Does not work.Apr 16 11:27
asdfas2wefw??Apr 16 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @kanarip Thoughts on Kolab and (3rd Party) Application Caching 16 11:28
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oiaohmcrapware providers want the crap embeded in the reinstall disk or system provided to the users.Apr 16 11:28
asdfas2wefw.Apr 16 11:28
asdfas2wefwembedding crapware can be on Linux re-install disks, too.Apr 16 11:29
oiaohmProblem you try getting a set of clean reinstall disks for windows.Apr 16 11:29
oiaohmWithout buying another copy of windows.Apr 16 11:29
oiaohmLinux on the other hand you can just go and download a clean disk and do away with the problem.Apr 16 11:30
MinceRthey could use a non-gratis gnu/linux distribution :>Apr 16 11:31
oiaohmI personally class what as beening done by many OEM's as underhanded and in the same class as malware.  Supported by Microsoft.Apr 16 11:31
oiaohmMinceR: Redhat will send out clean disks if you point out disk has malware added.Apr 16 11:31
oiaohmMinceR: Same with Suse.Apr 16 11:32
oiaohmBasically its not tollerated treatment of users in the Linux world. MinceRApr 16 11:32
MinceRdoes the crapware author and the average user know this? :>Apr 16 11:32
oiaohmRemember with Redhat and Suse you have a support contract.Apr 16 11:33
oiaohmSo when you have issue with crap you ring them up.Apr 16 11:33
MinceRthen again, the crapware author themselves could ship a modified distro :>Apr 16 11:33
oiaohmSome have tried.Apr 16 11:33
MinceRafter all, if you can't get a clean installer, the solution is to get a clean installer of somet other OSApr 16 11:33
MinceRs/met/me/Apr 16 11:33
oiaohmeepc classic example MinceRApr 16 11:34
MinceRfor example, crapware-laden winblows substituted with fedoraApr 16 11:34
MinceRthey don't sell eeepcs with gnu/linux here :/Apr 16 11:34
oiaohmclean versions appear very quicky from other sources in the open source world.Apr 16 11:34
asdfas2wefwfedora could be pre-loaded with crapware, if that is necessary, using kickstartApr 16 11:34
oiaohmasdfas2wefw: Problem is user can get a clean copy of fedora no trouble.Apr 16 11:34
oiaohmSo user complaining about issues who reinstalls with new version bingo crapware problem gone.Apr 16 11:35
oiaohmso end of crapware making profit.Apr 16 11:35
oiaohmWindows user on the other hand is stuck in hell.Apr 16 11:35
asdfas2wefwthat's fine. the crapware obligation is only on the bundled package.Apr 16 11:35
oiaohmasdfas2wefw: Problem is MS.Apr 16 11:35
oiaohmIf you have crapware on the bundled package.Apr 16 11:36
asdfas2wefwM$ has known since the begging of Windoze that many people wipe the machines Apr 16 11:36
oiaohmMS rules only person who can replace is the OEM provider who gave you the crap disks.Apr 16 11:36
asdfas2wefwsome put on Windoze others put on linuxApr 16 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] one step closer to a Police State every day 16 11:36
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oiaohmSo the only replacement will be another copy of Windows disks with crap.Apr 16 11:36
schestowitzThere is a proposed solution where the OEM provides imagesApr 16 11:36
oiaohmSo crapware authers are happy.Apr 16 11:36
schestowitzLike the browser ballotApr 16 11:36
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schestowitzYou get two CDs/DVDs, you load the one of choice (or another), it copies over the image within like 10 minutesApr 16 11:37
oiaohmAlso more and more you are not even getting reinstall disks.Apr 16 11:37
oiaohmBut just a image on the harddrive.Apr 16 11:37
schestowitzI.e. install Linux, lose Windows for goodApr 16 11:38
schestowitzIncentive not to install LinuxApr 16 11:38
schestowitzOr go back to the shop, pay for someone to install what you already paid for anywayApr 16 11:38
oiaohmEven MS openly addmits the crapware is some of the reasons why people have bad times with Windows provided by OEMs.Apr 16 11:38
schestowitzBig swindle, an MEP recently brought it upApr 16 11:38
oiaohmMS own stores don't take altered versions.Apr 16 11:39
oiaohmUntil they found out no hardware maker was going to supply them.Apr 16 11:39
MinceRwell, of course, m$ likes to put the blame on othersApr 16 11:39
oiaohmAt a competitive price.Apr 16 11:39
oiaohmMinceR:  the blame is valid.Apr 16 11:39
MinceRdoesn't matterApr 16 11:39
MinceRfrom their viewpoint :>Apr 16 11:39
oiaohmLot of the crapware adds background services dials homeApr 16 11:39
schestowitz!google "microsoft blames"Apr 16 11:40
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft Blames Google for Poor YouTube Support on Windows Phone 7 | 16 11:40
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TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft blames Apple for Outlook 2011 sync snafu - Computerworld | 16 11:40
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Microsoft Blames Your Laptop—Not Windows 7—For Battery Issues |!5467175/microsoft-blames-your-laptopnot-windows-7for-battery-issuesApr 16 11:40
oiaohmYet MS is doing nothing to get ride of the crapwareApr 16 11:40
schestowitzIt's a marriage of convenienceApr 16 11:40
schestowitzIt keeps BSD and Linux awayApr 16 11:40
oiaohmBecause MS knows the truth.  Without windows being worth negitive Linux on the machine might be provided as the cheep solution.Apr 16 11:40
schestowitzMicrosoft+crapware=loveApr 16 11:40
oiaohmExactly.Apr 16 11:41
oiaohmWhile Microsoft +crapware love existsApr 16 11:41
schestowitzIt's like putting poo on more pooApr 16 11:41
oiaohmMachines without MS is going to be hard.Apr 16 11:41
schestowitzNot reallyApr 16 11:41
schestowitzSee tabletsApr 16 11:41
oiaohmHeck MS Office starter  is one of the crapwares.Apr 16 11:41
schestowitzImagine tablets with Norton AV *LOL*Apr 16 11:41
MinceRlolApr 16 11:41
schestowitzLike you want *that* to eat your batteryApr 16 11:41
oiaohmIf I put MS Office starter on a machine and someone upgrades it I get a min of 50 dollars in my pocket.  asdfas2wefwApr 16 11:42
oiaohmYes that crapware is paying commission to the people who place it there as well.Apr 16 11:42
oiaohmSo much to place it and so much if the person upgrades it.Apr 16 11:42
oiaohmNo crapware or at least truthful policy on crapware would make a big difference.Apr 16 11:43
oiaohmNorton AV trial is a nice kickback.Apr 16 11:44
oiaohmMind you arm chips are that many times cheaper than x86 that the negitive price of windows does not help Apr 16 11:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] ♺ @glynmoody: Why Does The Entertainment Industry Seek To Kill Any Innovation That's Helping It Adapt? - why indeed?Apr 16 11:46
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schestowitzMinceR: actually it wouldApr 16 11:47
schestowitzoops, oiaohm^Apr 16 11:47
schestowitzWhat you said would be opposite in realityApr 16 11:47
schestowitzNegative pricing would make the discount account for more of the relative price of the hardwareApr 16 11:48
schestowitzThink of $50 discount in $200 machine and same discount on $2000 machienApr 16 11:48
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oiaohmNo MS crapware works on arm yet.Apr 16 11:48
oiaohmWe could see something insane with Windows 8 on arm.  Machines for nothing.  100 percent crapware funded.  schestowitzApr 16 11:49
schestowitzgoogle does the same, at least in planApr 16 11:50
MinceRso you can get them at no cost and install a real OS on them :>Apr 16 11:50
schestowitzBut can't be totally freeApr 16 11:50
schestowitzOtherwise people would buy and wipe, it's like the razor modelApr 16 11:50
schestowitzNorton: we view our software as though it's an OS. We just need to wrap it 'round something to boot up the system and demand the user to pay us using scary dialogues :-Apr 16 11:51
schestowitzMAFIAA: the OS is a "content delivery" toolApr 16 11:52
schestowitzOEM: the OS is a kickback opportunityApr 16 11:52
schestowitzLinux: the OS is the heart of a systemApr 16 11:52
oiaohmschestowitz: yep youview.  schestowitzApr 16 11:52
oiaohmyouview idea is basically content delivery tool model.Apr 16 11:53
schestowitzBSD: the OS is like a prick to wave aboutApr 16 11:53
oiaohmProblem is linux is now starting to get its crapware models.Apr 16 11:53
schestowitzMicrosoft: the OS is a recipe for world domination, kickstarting Bill's bank account before he does some *real* work towards world dominationApr 16 11:53
schestowitzApple: the OS does not exist. Buy a Mac. Please. No, not please. NOW!Apr 16 11:53
oiaohmLinux world we don't care who you are.Apr 16 11:54
oiaohmAs long as you use Linux come and join us.Apr 16 11:54
oiaohmNow that does bring some problems.Apr 16 11:54
oiaohmGreat TPM system combin with items like youviewApr 16 11:54
oiaohmThe device might be open source core but there might be no way in hell ever to alter it.Apr 16 11:55
oiaohmOr get anything out of it.Apr 16 11:55
cubezzzhmmm, very succinctApr 16 11:57
schestowitzHm... running mplayer as a CLI music player still takes up 70MB of RAMApr 16 11:57
schestowitzThat's not accessible for ncurses modeApr 16 11:57
cubezzzI try to be a univeralist re: OSApr 16 11:57
schestowitzI thought I was saving RAM, I might as well go back to minirokApr 16 11:57
schestowitzcubezzz would know CLI-based music player...Apr 16 11:58
cubezzzthere's aplayApr 16 11:58
cubezzzand mplayer of courseApr 16 11:59
cubezzzcmusApr 16 11:59
cubezzzmpg123Apr 16 11:59
cubezzzmostly I use mplayer thoughApr 16 12:00
cubezzzI use mplayer on a freebsd box with 256 megs of ramApr 16 12:00
MinceRmp3blaster :>Apr 16 12:00
cubezzzschestowitz, if you're trying to save mem and you have an old box just run text modeApr 16 12:01
oiaohmschestowitz: more formats something can id the larger its foot print will be.Apr 16 12:01
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cubezzzor you could use an older mplayer :)Apr 16 12:01
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cubezzzI had forgotten about cmusApr 16 12:02
cubezzzit's still on my fc1 boxApr 16 12:02
schestowitzcubezzz: it takes up a lot of ramApr 16 12:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] lots of great people, lots of great ideas at the Google #Hakaton: #brama 16 12:03
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cubezzzsurely you have enough ram though?Apr 16 12:03
schestowitzroy@roy:~$ ps aux | grep mplayerApr 16 12:03
cubezzzor another box just for music?Apr 16 12:03
schestowitzroy      15505  1.7  1.6  75352 34964 pts/6    SL+  12:02   0:01 mplayer /media/disk-8/Music/volO/CBradio-AugMix.mp3 -ss 0:20:0Apr 16 12:03
schestowitzroy      15519  0.0  0.0   3328   800 pts/12   S+   12:03   0:00 grep mplayerApr 16 12:04
schestowitzcubezzz: but I can use a GUIApr 16 12:04
schestowitzAnd it would use less RAMApr 16 12:04
oiaohmHmm  schestowitzApr 16 12:04
oiaohmI really would not be sure that ammout of ram is really used.Apr 16 12:04
schestowitzI use mplayter cause I script my playlist in bashApr 16 12:04
cubezzzprobably uses libs already in memoryApr 16 12:04
oiaohmremember Linux and maping executable to memory.Apr 16 12:04
schestowitzI used to also make daily dumps of spreadsheets of music I listened to, with exact timesApr 16 12:04
schestowitzScripting exercise for myself..Apr 16 12:05
cubezzzhmmmApr 16 12:05
oiaohmmpg123 would be about the smallest way to pay mp3.Apr 16 12:05
schestowitzIt takes up 24mbApr 16 12:05
schestowitzvirtual size is 75Apr 16 12:05
schestowitzStill a lotApr 16 12:05
schestowitz24 mb for that? audio buffer?Apr 16 12:05
cubezzzI like to run ssh to each box and then use ncurses type programs Apr 16 12:05
schestowitztoo much powerApr 16 12:06
schestowitzLike de Raadt's houseApr 16 12:06
cubezzzif you want the computer that uses the least power use pc-fit2Apr 16 12:07
cubezzztop of the green listApr 16 12:07
oiaohmoiaohm   10615  1.3  0.1  22700  2116 pts/4    SL+  21:07   0:00 mpg123 01 - Can You Hear Me.mp3  schestowitzApr 16 12:09
oiaohm2 meg really used.  22700 including all the maped stuff.  schestowitzApr 16 12:10
schestowitzJust added a 9th and 10th virtual desktpApr 16 12:11
schestowitzI ran outApr 16 12:11
cubezzzwhy so many desktops?Apr 16 12:11
schestowitzAnd I found new KDE options too, like moving on edges stuff and display of all desktops when you move between themApr 16 12:11
schestowitzcubezzz: desktop 1: browsing+text editingApr 16 12:11
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schestowitz2: mail+RSSApr 16 12:11
schestowitz3: music+videoApr 16 12:11
schestowitz4) irc clients, identica clientApr 16 12:12
schestowitz5: web serversApr 16 12:12
oiaohmschestowitz: mind you i am also running avfsd  so my music is still in there zip files.Apr 16 12:12
schestowitz6: work (job)Apr 16 12:12
cubezzzwouldn't it be simpler to set one computer for text mode only?Apr 16 12:12
schestowitz7: readingApr 16 12:12
DaemonFCI'm rebuilding a new kernel with obsolete exported symbolsApr 16 12:12
schestowitz8: research/developmentApr 16 12:12
schestowitz9: published papersApr 16 12:12
DaemonFCsomething tells me it might be why my patched fglrx failedApr 16 12:12
schestowitzI have no use for 10 yetApr 16 12:12
DaemonFCsounds like the kind of crap AMD doesApr 16 12:12
cubezzzand a partridge in a pear tree.... :)Apr 16 12:13
DaemonFCand a dead FGLRX kernel treeApr 16 12:13
schestowitzI ran out of acceleratorsApr 16 12:13
DaemonFCfalalalalala la la la laaaaaaaApr 16 12:13
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 12:13
schestowitzCTRL f1-8 were free, f9 is  expose effect for all window in virtual desktop, f10 for all, f12 widgets dashboardApr 16 12:14
DaemonFCAMD has to make the worst drivers I've ever seenApr 16 12:14
schestowitzVery niftyApr 16 12:14
oiaohmSo you don't have 2 g of music on your mobile phone?  schestowitz With powered speakers that I use for music when my machine is overloaded.Apr 16 12:14
schestowitzryan try f9,10, and 12Apr 16 12:14
cubezzzI got 5 computers and 4 monitorsApr 16 12:14
cubezzzyou sound like you got one mega computerApr 16 12:14
DaemonFCI hate FGLRX, hate itApr 16 12:15
DaemonFCif Nvidia wasn't worse I'd use themApr 16 12:15
schestowitzBack in the days desktop 8 was the one for usenet and desktop 4 was for programming, I swapped a bit since 2005Apr 16 12:15
DaemonFCif I could manage to hold my nose and get past their anti-homosexual crusade in their upper managementApr 16 12:15
DaemonFCbunch of mormons or scientologists or somethingApr 16 12:15
DaemonFCfreaky next level Xenu type shit or something going on with themApr 16 12:16
schestowitzI did some blog posts about it, but I can't find them now.. 16 12:16
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DaemonFCnot that a mere preclear like me would knowApr 16 12:16
schestowitzMy site is about 100k pages, so I can't find much in it based on rough description, I need to remember the titlesApr 16 12:16
DaemonFCsociety is the disease if you ask me, all these mixed messages and double standardsApr 16 12:17
DaemonFCthen I have to take pills because they are "normal" or somethingApr 16 12:17
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 12:17
*schestowitz still can't find it... 16 12:17
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DaemonFCI don't think there's enough pills to make me see society as saneApr 16 12:18
DaemonFCI can't jam my head up my ass that farApr 16 12:18
DaemonFCno matter how hard I tryApr 16 12:18
DaemonFCstupid breeders and their damned pillsApr 16 12:18
DaemonFC:PApr 16 12:18
DaemonFCschestowitz, make sense of everything for meApr 16 12:18
DaemonFCyou have like 10 seconds of undivided attentionApr 16 12:18
DaemonFCWhy are people like this?Apr 16 12:19
DaemonFCschestowitz, Instead of spending money curing real diseases, they make up mental illnesses with diagnostic guidelines that can be stretched to describe anyoneApr 16 12:20
DaemonFCso they can sell pills that don't workApr 16 12:20
DaemonFC"Oh, you're depressed. Here's something that will make you gain 50 pounds and go limp, see you next month!"Apr 16 12:20
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 12:20
DaemonFCWe'll give you something to be depressed about, here's something that sends you into a seizure and only costs $400Apr 16 12:22
DaemonFChope you have insurance, kthxbaiApr 16 12:22
DaemonFCI don't want it to work, so maybe that's why it doesn'tApr 16 12:22
DaemonFCI don't _want_ to be on the same wavelength as these peopleApr 16 12:23
schestowitzminirok takes 47 mb of ram nowApr 16 12:23
schestowitzI got back to it. Without loading all my songs it would take a lot lessApr 16 12:23
DaemonFCyes, trivial applications now take more RAM than an entire operating system did just over 10 years agoApr 16 12:24
schestowitzRAM is tight here, x keeps slowing down and kwin effects suspended if it uses swap too muchApr 16 12:24
DaemonFCit's kind of sad Apr 16 12:24
cubezzzyou can run a lighter distro...Apr 16 12:24
cubezzzVL or even slitazApr 16 12:24
schestowitzIf I restart KDE, it would take ages to load things back uo, even though KDE restores used application (and their state, only to a degree)Apr 16 12:24
DaemonFCI don't get why everyone says replace Windows XP with FluxboxApr 16 12:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Having a coffee moccha at the venue of the natty release party budapest.Apr 16 12:24
schestowitzKDE4 actually improved this furtherApr 16 12:25
DaemonFCthrow the damned thing out and get a PC that can run KDEApr 16 12:25
DaemonFCat leastApr 16 12:25
schestowitzFor example, konsole would even put your terminals back on at the correct directoriesApr 16 12:25
schestowitzBut won't reconnect to SSH, show scrollbackApr 16 12:25
cubezzzyes, 3.5.10 does that tooApr 16 12:25
schestowitzkwallet handles passwords OKApr 16 12:25
DaemonFCyou can't say replace Windows XP with Fluxbox because these are human beingsApr 16 12:25
DaemonFCnot mole peopleApr 16 12:25
schestowitzIn KDE 3.1 this was supported too, but it keeps improvingApr 16 12:25
DaemonFConly mole people and perhaps the Reptilian Empire use FluxboxApr 16 12:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: check out what kde now has in settings. They keep adding stuff I don't notice between minor release of kde scApr 16 12:26
DaemonFCyeah, GNOME loses options at about the same rate KDE gains themApr 16 12:26
DaemonFCbalance in the force and whatnotApr 16 12:27
cubezzznot only do I run multi-computer, I also run multi-linux and multiple OSesApr 16 12:27
cubezzzand coffee, lots of coffee :)Apr 16 12:27
cubezzz3.1 hmmm, almost sounds like fc1Apr 16 12:28
DaemonFCGNOME 3 is just pitifulApr 16 12:28
DaemonFCI mean, yeah, there's a few nifty things about itApr 16 12:28
cubezzzone thing about freebsd, the cli stuff is all there in the reposApr 16 12:29
DaemonFCbut on the whole it's just too difficult to useApr 16 12:29
cubezzzDaemonFC, will that run on my 386? :)Apr 16 12:29
DaemonFCthey've made it so simple that you can't even minimize or maximize a windowApr 16 12:29
DaemonFChmmm, better stick with Windows 3.1 in 386 Enhanced ModeApr 16 12:29
DaemonFCit's got more featuresApr 16 12:29
DaemonFCand blingApr 16 12:29
DaemonFCand you can change your theme, to hotdog stand evenApr 16 12:30
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 12:30
DaemonFCand you can get Internet Explorer 5 for Windows 3.1Apr 16 12:31
DaemonFCit has more features than EpiphanyApr 16 12:31
DaemonFCand a superior user interfaceApr 16 12:31
DaemonFCno HTML 5, but you can use HTML in IE 5Apr 16 12:31
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 12:31
DaemonFCclose enough, right?Apr 16 12:32
DaemonFCcubezzz, Yo dawg, I heard you needed a <marquee>Apr 16 12:33
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 12:33
cubezzza marquee?Apr 16 12:33
DaemonFCyeah, maybe even a <wbr>Apr 16 12:33
schestowitzLOLApr 16 12:34
schestowitzDaemonFC: it's "herd", not "heard"Apr 16 12:34
schestowitzIIRCApr 16 12:34
DaemonFCfingers crossedApr 16 12:35
DaemonFCfglrx module.....buildingApr 16 12:35
DaemonFCYESApr 16 12:35
schestowitzYeah... 16 12:35
DaemonFCHAHAHA!!!!Apr 16 12:35
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schestowitzHerdApr 16 12:35
DaemonFCnow if it reboots and worksApr 16 12:35
DaemonFCand stuffApr 16 12:35
DaemonFChmmmApr 16 12:35
DaemonFCgod I hate these peopleApr 16 12:35
DaemonFCalmost as full of shit as the Ubuntu developersApr 16 12:35
schestowitzLOL 16 12:36
DaemonFClets just stand here with our thumbs up our asses and, like, uhhhhm, not stop using the Big Kernel LockApr 16 12:36
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schestowitz3D956%26bih%3D913%26tbm%3Disch0%2C4290&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=318&vpy=195&dur=916&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=99&ty=214&oei=3n6pTZHAGNKp8APtoPW4Ag&page=6&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:118&biw=956&bih=913Apr 16 12:36
cubezzzwhat the heck is that? :)Apr 16 12:36
DaemonFCcuz, uhhhm, everyone uses Ubuntu anywayApr 16 12:36
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DaemonFCexcuse us, he have a 2:30 with Steve Ballmer, involving our lips and his big fat assApr 16 12:37
DaemonFCcya in six months!Apr 16 12:37
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 12:37
cubezzztime for tiny url I thinkApr 16 12:37
DaemonFCschestowitz, Someone should tell AMD that Ubuntu is not the only "Linux"Apr 16 12:38
DaemonFCthey seem to act as if it wasApr 16 12:38
DaemonFCdo I like Ubuntu? not particularlyApr 16 12:38
DaemonFCWhy do I use it? Because it's the most guaranteed to have FGLRX supportApr 16 12:39
DaemonFCI can't believe they actually published that usability survey where nobody could make sense of Unity but more than half of them had it crash in the hour they used itApr 16 12:40
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 12:40
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schestowitzDaemonFC: proof?Apr 16 12:40
schestowitzas in url?Apr 16 12:41
schestowitzI don't doubt you, just want to document this with sourceApr 16 12:41
DaemonFC 16 12:41
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DaemonFCUbuntu VistaApr 16 12:41
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 12:41
DaemonFCno, that's a little harshApr 16 12:41
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DaemonFCeven Vista stayed running for more than an hour usuallyApr 16 12:42
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 12:42
schestowitzseen thatApr 16 12:42
schestowitzput links about it up yesterdayApr 16 12:42
schestowitzbut...Apr 16 12:42
schestowitzIt's unityApr 16 12:42
schestowitzNot LinuxApr 16 12:42
cubezzz27 days, 11:27Apr 16 12:42
*schestowitz happy with kde 4.5Apr 16 12:42
DaemonFCbrb, seeing whether FGLRX on my 2.6.39 kernel failsApr 16 12:42
DaemonFCor epic failsApr 16 12:43
DaemonFCor kind of works and gives a really crappy user experience full of bugs and random X crashesApr 16 12:43
DaemonFCAKA "Normal"Apr 16 12:43
cubezzzfunny, my fc1 and VL have both run for monthsApr 16 12:43
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DaemonFCheyApr 16 12:45
DaemonFCit workedApr 16 12:45
DaemonFCOpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.Apr 16 12:45
DaemonFCOpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 5670Apr 16 12:45
DaemonFCOpenGL version string: 4.1.10665 Compatibility Profile ContextApr 16 12:45
DaemonFCOpenGL shading language version string: 4.10Apr 16 12:45
DaemonFCryan@ryan-MS-7501:~$ uname -aApr 16 12:45
DaemonFCLinux ryan-MS-7501 2.6.39-rc3-git5-ryan1 #1 SMP Sat Apr 16 07:03:25 EDT 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/LinuxApr 16 12:45
DaemonFCheheApr 16 12:46
DaemonFCDIE BKL, DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!Apr 16 12:46
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 12:46
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Why do they still try to grab the BKL if it's not actually being used and all it does is make the driver fail to work on newer kernels>Apr 16 12:51
DaemonFCthis does not make sense to meApr 16 12:51
schestowitz"Apr 16 12:52
schestowitzKaren Friar,Apr 16 12:52
schestowitzI find the removal of about 7 of my comments rather insulting as they contained no obscenity and did not contain any improper material (you can unmask these comments for readers to judge). It is a form of censorship, which is why I was reluctant to comment in ZDNet to begin with, but I was polite and all my claims have verifiable sources to back them. So again, I'm very disappointed that you removed comments and then suggested that Apr 16 12:52
schestowitzthere was something unlawful in them. This is exactly the type of thing which makes Techrights necessary.Apr 16 12:52
schestowitz"Apr 16 12:52
schestowitzZDNet is censoring comemnts nowApr 16 12:52
DaemonFCfiguresApr 16 12:52
DaemonFCZOMG, you don't love Vista7? We'll TEACH you to love VISTA7!!!!!'Apr 16 12:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Very interesting cable on Bahrain youth's perspectives on economics, politics & foreign policy http:/... 16 12:53
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DaemonFCWe'll teach you to LOVE BALLMER!!!Apr 16 12:53
DaemonFCLOVE HIM!!!Apr 16 12:53
DaemonFCor gtfo!Apr 16 12:53
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 12:53
cubezzzthere is a sort of brain washing going onApr 16 12:54
cubezzzas computer users get dumber and dumberApr 16 12:54
DaemonFCI mainly wanted Linux 2.6.39 for the improvements to the vfs and xfs codeApr 16 12:54
schestowitzIt's probably Jack Schofield pulling strongs thereApr 16 12:54
schestowitzTrying to play a power gamesApr 16 12:54
schestowitzBut I'll do a post about this in TechrightsApr 16 12:54
DaemonFCbut not having FGLRX just kind of turns my video card into a paperweightApr 16 12:54
schestowitzAbout ZDNet UK CensorshipApr 16 12:54
cubezzzzdnet is basically mostly Microsoft though, so why bother?Apr 16 12:55
DaemonFCit's what a front is for, cubezzz Apr 16 12:56
DaemonFCthat way they can be a Microsoft mouthpiece that looks like tech newsApr 16 12:56
cubezzzif Jack is a typical zdnet guy I don't even want to bother with itApr 16 12:57
DaemonFChmmm, I need a nice hot shower to wash off all that FGLRX funkApr 16 12:57
DaemonFC(shudders)Apr 16 12:57
cubezzzthe simplest systems are usually bestApr 16 13:00
*DaemonFC throws fglrx.ko and Google Chrome at cubezzz Apr 16 13:01
DaemonFC:PApr 16 13:01
cubezzzamiga 500 had a certain elegance that modern computers just don't haveApr 16 13:02
DaemonFCwell, now all I have to do is sit back and wait for an official FGLRX that supports Linux 2.6.39Apr 16 13:02
DaemonFCbut this seems to work OKApr 16 13:02
MinceRamiga 500 had a certain lack of MMU that modern computers just don't have :>Apr 16 13:03
MinceR"i find your lack of memory protection... disturbing."Apr 16 13:04
cubezzzthere are accelerators with MMU if you have to have itApr 16 13:04
DaemonFCthere's that uclinux and uclibc crap for systems without a PMMU Apr 16 13:04
DaemonFCbut they obviously don't perform all that wellApr 16 13:05
MinceRthey're inherently less secureApr 16 13:05
DaemonFCit's getting to where even devices that are toys have a PMMUApr 16 13:05
cubezzzI won't argue...Apr 16 13:05
DaemonFCso uclibc and uclinux are becoming less relevant Apr 16 13:05
oiaohmuclibc does perform quite well on systems with a MMUApr 16 13:06
cubezzzI'm not even connecting the 500 to the net anywayApr 16 13:06
oiaohmI use uclibc from time to time for static linked stand alone test stuff.  DaemonFCApr 16 13:06
MinceRdoes uclibc also deal with lack of MMU or is it just simpler and lighter?Apr 16 13:06
oiaohmuclibc does have special handling for lack of MMU but you don't have to use it.Apr 16 13:07
DaemonFCit doeals with that and it uses less memoryApr 16 13:07
DaemonFCbut this obviously limits its usefulness to systems where it's that or nothingApr 16 13:07
MinceRicApr 16 13:07
DaemonFCwhat scares me MinceR, somewhat changing the subject....Apr 16 13:08
*MinceR scares DaemonFC Apr 16 13:09
DaemonFCis all these automated registers and vending machines running Windows XPApr 16 13:09
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 13:09
MinceR:>Apr 16 13:09
MinceRi've seen worseApr 16 13:09
cubezzzw00t free chocolate bars Apr 16 13:09
DaemonFCnothing screams perfect skimming operation like Walmart's "express check outs"Apr 16 13:09
cubezzzwith each exploitApr 16 13:09
DaemonFCMinceR, You are familiar with RedBox?Apr 16 13:10
DaemonFCthose automated DVD rental kiosksApr 16 13:10
DaemonFCthey had a problem with skimmers, so they started posting alerts on the machines to the customer, to watch out for skimming devicesApr 16 13:11
DaemonFCso the next step, was for the criminals to pry the warning off and slap the card skimmer on where the warning placard wasApr 16 13:11
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 13:11
DaemonFCthen it finally occurs to the company to put welded-on skim guards next to the card sliderApr 16 13:12
MinceR 16 13:12
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MinceRnotice that this is medical software running on winblowsApr 16 13:12
MinceRi guess that's one way to deal with overpopulationApr 16 13:13
DaemonFCMinceR, When I worked in a nursing home, the patient charting was done on Windows XP kiosksApr 16 13:13
DaemonFCI used to crash the charting software on my lunch break and browse the web with the virtual keyboardApr 16 13:13
cubezzzrestart life support system now?Apr 16 13:13
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 13:13
cubezzzwait, the virus scanner is still running...Apr 16 13:14
MinceR:>Apr 16 13:14
cubezzzthat's kind of scary actuallyApr 16 13:15
DaemonFCYou are protected. No, there is no malware that killed my scanning process and is using my corpse as a sock puppet to tell you that your Windows is OK. You paid a lot of money for me, and You Are Protected... B-)Apr 16 13:15
MinceR:>Apr 16 13:15
MinceRThe Emperor ProtectsApr 16 13:16
cubezzzPerfect Defender says my system is fully protectedApr 16 13:16
DaemonFCXP Antivirus 2010 says I'm super protectedApr 16 13:16
DaemonFCif I give it my card numberApr 16 13:16
cubezzzlolApr 16 13:16
DaemonFCI guess that's OK, since it looks legitApr 16 13:16
MinceRdid Perfect Defender happen to install itself from a web page? :>Apr 16 13:17
cubezzzone of my customers managed to get itApr 16 13:17
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DaemonFCMinceR, It's Perfect Defender, the most Perfect Defender there is, there need to fear because Perfect here.Apr 16 13:18
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 13:18
MinceRfear not, citizenApr 16 13:18
DaemonFCeverything is....under controlApr 16 13:19
DaemonFCwe are taking you to locationApr 16 13:19
cubezzzyeah I'm happy to run Linux Apr 16 13:20
DaemonFCthat's because you didn't spend an hour beating FGLRX over the head to make it workApr 16 13:20
DaemonFC:PApr 16 13:20
DaemonFChehApr 16 13:21
cubezzzno need for thatApr 16 13:21
schestowitz 16 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr@jackschofield: @akshatj_96 Good point. Has @schestowitz actually made any contribution to FOSS besides hate sites that drive good people away? #boycottboyApr 16 13:21
schestowitzMono camp Apr 16 13:21
DaemonFCschestowitz, You just need to be more cooperativeApr 16 13:23
DaemonFCjust ask MinceR Apr 16 13:23
DaemonFChe can reeducate youApr 16 13:23
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 13:23
cubezzzI only run cruelty-free FOSS text programsApr 16 13:23
DaemonFCI'd rather go naked than wear FGLRX....Apr 16 13:24
DaemonFC:PApr 16 13:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] X.Org Server 1.10.1 Released: Jeremy Huddleston has tagged the first point release in the X.Org Server 1.10 series... 16 13:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Frozenbyte Bundle Crosses $600k, Still Free Copies: The pace of sales for the third Humble Indie Bundle that foc... 16 13:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #gtugpl presentation at #hakaton starts in a few minutesApr 16 13:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, what are the benefits of LED over LCD?Apr 16 13:34
DaemonFCI noticed LEDs are a lot more expensiveApr 16 13:34
DaemonFCas in monitor, not televisionApr 16 13:34
MinceROLED or LED-backlit LCD?Apr 16 13:35
DaemonFC 16 13:35
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DaemonFCI'm guessing backlit?Apr 16 13:35
DaemonFCI also noticed Walmart had some 24" LCD HP monitors on clearanceApr 16 13:37
DaemonFC1920 x 1080Apr 16 13:37
DaemonFCthis one is 1680 x 1050Apr 16 13:37
MinceRyes, LED-backlitApr 16 13:39
MinceRthe advantages are lower power consumption and probably better color reproductionApr 16 13:39
MinceR(since they can tune the LEDs to whatever frequencies the pixels let through)Apr 16 13:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Man, my body is just screaming at me today. I think I'll hide inside all day. Yep hide inside. Maybe do nothing but read. Ambitious.Apr 16 13:39
DaemonFCthis one is a few years old, has a crappy response timeApr 16 13:40
DaemonFCnewer ones have better response time and higher resolutionApr 16 13:40
DaemonFCso I'm getting an upgrade either wayApr 16 13:40
DaemonFCalso, the price has come down a lotApr 16 13:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Won't this piss off some people: California set to become first US state to require teaching of gay history & rights. 16 13:41
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DaemonFCthis one was $350 :PApr 16 13:41
*DaemonFC peeled the Designed for Windows Vista sticker offApr 16 13:42
DaemonFChoorayApr 16 13:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Last courtesy of @cancivlib & @SusanneUre , sorry, had to pull the names for the commentary. I a pro-gay rights conservative (i.e. oddball)Apr 16 13:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @stonemirror: RT @thefinebros: 47 YEARS OF DOCTOR WHO in 6 Minutes! 16 13:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @howardknopf: #iPodtax why don't #CBC etc get that music industry asked 4 $75 tax on iPods 30GB in 2007? See #elxn41Apr 16 13:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @PreemptDissent: TheStar: Elections Canada rejects Tory bid to quash student votes - important precedent set!Apr 16 13:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @jkoblovsky: RT @jimdanahy: If you're btwn 18 & 25 & wanna scare the hell outa the people who run this country-VOTE! #VoteMobs #elxn41Apr 16 13:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Gotta love that last one. Heck, they'd be scared it more people my age (54) showed up at the polls :)Apr 16 13:55
DaemonFCactuallyApr 16 13:56
DaemonFCmost people of that age do end up at the pollsApr 16 13:57
DaemonFCand that's why you get George Bush types for PresidentApr 16 13:57
DaemonFCDon't worry old geezers, I'm not going to steal YOUR Social SecurityApr 16 13:58
DaemonFCI'm just going to steal it from your kids and grandkidsApr 16 13:58
DaemonFCand tax them higher to make up for youApr 16 13:58
DaemonFCOld Voter: Well, gee, OK then. BUSHApr 16 13:58
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 13:58
DaemonFCOld Voter: Can you steal my grandkids blind so I can get expensive unnecessary medication like Viagra too?Apr 16 13:59
DaemonFCOh gee GW, you're the bestest president everApr 16 13:59
DaemonFCI hope this never ends!Apr 16 13:59
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 13:59
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DaemonFCStory of the United States 2001-2009Apr 16 14:00
DaemonFCMe sitting at the Thanksgiving dinner table after getting my taxes hikedApr 16 14:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Neat site for those interested in Toronto #g20 issues: thanks to @KateMilberry 4 leading me to it.Apr 16 14:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Clash at Tibetan monastery in #China could turn 'explosive', Dalai Lama says - I fear more bad stuff on the way #tibetApr 16 14:01
DaemonFCGrandma: "Isn't George W. the best? I got his book where he says GOD told him to run for office. He is a good Christian you know?"Apr 16 14:01
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*DaemonFC starts considering stabbing his brain with the dinner fork so this will endApr 16 14:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: "Bush gave us tax cutz [and massive debt, too]"Apr 16 14:02
*DaemonFC smiles and remembers that she's getting a good deal out of this and can't possible be so stupid as to not know where it's coming from, and she better hope there is no hell.Apr 16 14:02
schestowitzIt's funny to see Republicans who refer to Obama (or anyone) as "the anti-Christ"Apr 16 14:03
DaemonFCschestowitz, I got my taxes raised under BushApr 16 14:03
schestowitzReligious dogma as used by politiciansApr 16 14:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: cause you're not richApr 16 14:04
DaemonFCbecause at the time I was under 27 and in a really shitty job where I actually would have qualified for the Earned Income Tax CreditApr 16 14:04
schestowitzBush helped the funders, those who can help his party be elected againApr 16 14:04
DaemonFCso the tax code changes from 18 to 27 to claim that credit under BushApr 16 14:04
schestowitzSo it's peole like Warren and BillApr 16 14:04
schestowitzThey don't pay taxApr 16 14:04
DaemonFCand my taxes went up about $300 a yearApr 16 14:04
DaemonFCnobody talks about that, most people my age are too damned stupid to count change, much less notice they're getting fucked on their income taxApr 16 14:05
DaemonFCand they don't show up to vote eitherApr 16 14:05
schestowitzYou carried the burden for the fat vats :-)Apr 16 14:05
schestowitzYou carried the burden for the fat cats :-)Apr 16 14:05
DaemonFCso it's my generation that the politicians take their pound of flesh fromApr 16 14:05
schestowitzLike JabbaApr 16 14:05
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DaemonFCno, Jabba has an excuseApr 16 14:06
DaemonFCthere's nothing cute and fluffy about Steve BallmerApr 16 14:06
DaemonFChe needs to carry some of his weight :)Apr 16 14:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Pirate Blockbuster Hobo With a Shotgun Blasts Into iMDb Top 10 - torrented film becomes highly popular #p2pApr 16 14:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] links for 2011-04-16: A Legacy at Risk: How the new Ministry of Culture in Brazil reversed its digital agenda |... 16 14:06
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schestowitz"Warren Buckley (@wazzer_bt) is now following your tweets (@schestowitz) on Twitter."Apr 16 14:07
schestowitzCool. It's the BT MDApr 16 14:07
DaemonFCschestowitz, The tax code is designed so the rich pay the leastApr 16 14:08
DaemonFClook at the tax cap for Social SecurityApr 16 14:08
DaemonFCyou don't pay any taxes after the first $102,500 you make that yearApr 16 14:08
DaemonFCanyone that makes less than that pays the tax on all of their incomeApr 16 14:08
DaemonFCthat's like what? 1% of Steve Ballmer's net worth and maybe under 10% of his yearly pay?Apr 16 14:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] First True Chinese Made #iPad Competitor! GS30 #Android Tablet - will it come to the West? #china #tabsApr 16 14:09
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DaemonFCpeople like him barely pay anything into the system because of corporate welfare + welfare for the richApr 16 14:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Apparently there's no need for Fedora branding anywhere in Gnome 3. Even having our own wallpaper was onerous on our part. WTF, Fedora???Apr 16 14:11
DaemonFCthey people that can least afford the taxes end up paying about 3/4ths of itApr 16 14:11
DaemonFCour tax system is very regressiveApr 16 14:11
DaemonFCI don't blame them for not wanting to put their name on GNOME 3Apr 16 14:12
DaemonFCI wouldn't want to eitherApr 16 14:13
DaemonFCB-)Apr 16 14:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tibetans under cyber attack - haven't they learned from last time not to use #windows? (v @PeteDotAscian) #tibetApr 16 14:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Zeitgeist Is Finally Getting Options To Blacklist Applications, Files, Folders And Clear History 16 14:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @howardknopf: Why Does The Entertainment Industry Seek To Kill Any Innovation That's Helping It Adapt? | Techdirt 16 14:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Now running Fedora 15 beta2 in a VM running on Fedora 14. "yum install office" pulls in libreoffice! ftw!Apr 16 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Farrah3m: Only in Egypt: Sentenced criminals don't like their "new neighbors" (mubarak & friends)&want them moved to another placeApr 16 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] The Atlas Shrugged movie opened yesterday - did anyone go? Anyone?Apr 16 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Gnome 3 fails to start in Fedora 15 running in a VM. Reverts to failsafe mode. Hmm.Apr 16 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] If anyone is planning to shop today, and will be by a Sony store, take your camera. Anonymous is holding in store protests :)Apr 16 14:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] In fact they've already hit the Stores in the Greenwich Mean Time zone, so the Guardian and other British papers should have reports...Apr 16 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] It's funny following @lobbywatcher and seeing the guy you thought was the greatest hockey goalie ever, Kennie Dryden, being lobbied #weirdApr 16 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Mike Magee, you will never work in this industry again - Hewlett Packard #fact - heh #yeahrightApr 16 14:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Feeling accomplished. Reported four spammers to Twitter so far today. Not one on though (thank god!)Apr 16 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @satipera: BBC #Libya says children R suffering in Misrata. Britain & USA plan 2 show how 2 protect civilians using Hiroshoma as exampleApr 16 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] @clacke Your heirs do the same things you would - lease the copyrights. And of course they can chose to lease them to multiple customers.Apr 16 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] the fields are turning yellow with the year's first crops flowering ... beautiful.Apr 16 14:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] commemorating #charliechaplin by watching "The Great Dictator" 16 14:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @chrisjung Hat jemand in #ffm einen Arbeitsplatz für einen Industriekaufmann zu vergeben? Ich frage für einen Freund.Apr 16 14:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #TSA Investigates... People Who Complain About TSA 16 14:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Tocqueville:The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s $. #sgelectionApr 16 15:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "The Venus of today and The Thinker of tomorrow" from #CharlieChaplin's "The Great Dictator"Apr 16 15:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning !identiverseApr 16 15:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Guardian’s hatchet job on Julian Assange | WSWS 16 15:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Mah BT's "I know better than you" shines through here - #sgelectionApr 16 15:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] < with effort, i am capable of understanding tech ideas, but the nuts & bolts of implementation can be quite difficult for me. >Apr 16 15:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] What is Corrections Canada trying to hide in the Ashely Smith Case? #justice #cdnpoliApr 16 15:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter My Wordpress theme customization was lost in updates. (I want the serialization set up as unobtrusive as reading a book-book)Apr 16 15:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter The theme is there, but i had begun to change the css ... adding padding, removing post date etc ... > and look, a group !wpApr 16 15:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter so when I get it perfect, I won't want my beautiful customized theme to disappear mid-serialization due to sudden updates. !wpApr 16 15:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @zotz @mrd done: why I prefer Strong Copyleft over Public Domain dedication 16 15:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Two more bastards blocked for spamming. What a Saturday.Apr 16 15:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Funny how Amazon's Audible doesn't have an Android app yet, even tho Android is like..uh..a pretty major platform these days n' all.Apr 16 15:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Canada: World is watching... message from Sydney, Oz to Sidney, BC re @elizabethmay via @jimbobbysez !elxn41 !fed2011Apr 16 15:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter okay, i guess that could work. But maybe there is an easier way. !wpApr 16 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Last Fiesta 16 15:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @oggcamp: !OggCamp 11 has sold out in under a week! — pretty amazing!Apr 16 15:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz For !mynovel I'll use #CC0 in 5 yrs ... or are you asking abt suggested Will instrument allowing emancipation of work on demise? !ccApr 16 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] (1/2) In light of our recent company influencing employees discussion, I find it interesting that most of the people against Fedora brandingApr 16 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] (2/2) in Gnome 3 are Red Hat employees while the community folks are in favour for more branding. Coincidence?Apr 16 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] !Bitcoin featured on Time's tech blog screenshot 16 15:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jpope: ♺ @x1101: @jezra thanks for making !heybuddy so kickass. Its also got good examples of very 'python' ways of doing things!Apr 16 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Both Con or Lib majority scary. Even with annual federal elections, minority gov't still cheaper than majority patronage !elxn41 !fed2011Apr 16 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Listening to The Promise (the album) while cooking a devilish hot !chili. Yeah! :)Apr 16 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] !Bitcoin featured on Time's tech blog screenshot 16 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Been a while since !Canada had a #majority government... thus tab for #patronage is way down (unless you count #G20 ) !elxn41 !fed2011Apr 16 16:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Man, the fiddle on the '78 version of Racing in the Street is AWESOME!Apr 16 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter No, who are they?Apr 16 16:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter hah, you got me :) <answered before catching up on dents>Apr 16 16:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Did you guys know there's another 8:00 AFTER the one at night? I don't think I've seen this one before.Apr 16 16:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh I'm a red hat employee, and I'm not in favour of it.Apr 16 16:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @qu1j0t3 #Toronto Police documented hundreds on #G20 weekend !elxn41 !fed2011 !cdnpoli #EndHarper !freeByronApr 16 16:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix I didn't say all where. Robyn isn't. But it definitely seems like a push from a *group* of RH employees.Apr 16 16:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Both are on Twitter - @KristenLambTX and @inkyelbows and are worth following.Apr 16 16:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix To be perfectly honest, I have no idea *why* they are doing this. Seems to me RH should be in favour of strong Fedora branding, no?Apr 16 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh Of course. It's more of a push from GNOME developers who happened to be employeed by daddy shadowman, imo.Apr 16 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh They're RH in name only. #thisisnotprotectingshareholdervalueApr 16 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] So over the limit drinking and denting in the early hours this morning I could not work out how to use Grooveshark gui, bad :-(Apr 16 16:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] So over the limit drinking and denting in the early hours this morning I could not work out how to use Grooveshark gui, bad :-(Apr 16 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] I not-going-to-check-my-email-this-weekend hate the world.Apr 16 16:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @x11r5: ...have to assume "properly licensed" means ~"traditionally, privately licensed in exchange for $", not anti-faif licensingApr 16 16:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Egyptological - "papers, articles, brief items, reviews, reports & photographs about Ancient Egypt"; free, but not #cc?Apr 16 16:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Good recommendations⇒ *love* this⇒ Comic: Freelancer Challenge [currently hve family member annoyed w/me] 16 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @corenominal: About to commence my weeklong #Fedora GNOME 3.0 challenge. Exciting stuff! :)Apr 16 16:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix That could be it. Maybe I'm mixing up isosApr 16 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix Ehhh... I meant maybe I'm mixing up issues. :)Apr 16 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk The 2 established parties scare !Canada into fear of other choice. FOUR registered parties have candidates across country... !elxn41Apr 16 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh No, right issue, wrong angle. They're speaking as GNOME dekstop developers, not RH's desktop team.Apr 16 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh Do you think they would allow this to happen in RHEL? They don't look at 'that community thing' as important.Apr 16 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh Anyways, I'm physically in pain because of this again. I need to distance myself from this. Have a good day, my friend.Apr 16 16:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ericgoldman judge strikes #Righthaven's demand for DiBiase's domain name - no "right to seize control" #copyrightApr 16 16:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix Well, they are getting some backing by non-Gnome people too, though AFAICT.Apr 16 16:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix I wonder what happens when Gnome 3 lands in RHEL.....Apr 16 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix Sorry. :/Apr 16 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk which means it possible that ANY of them: #CPC or #LPC #GPC #NDP can elect enough candidates for majority government !elxn41 !fed2011Apr 16 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] SCRIPTed - "Journal of Law, Technology & Society" #ccApr 16 16:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Is Mac OS X better than KDE? It's different. (aka My first weeks with MacBook Pro)The Stallman Subreddit. 16 16:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] MacOSX kind of fascinates me, cos it seems to be so well liked and yet it seemed so unusable to meApr 16 16:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk I know the US has fringe parties, but I was under the impression there is something in your system that means only 2 parties can ruleApr 16 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk You folks have 2 National pirate parties - maybe if they co-operated they would get farther :DApr 16 16:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Got verbal diarrhea writing the #tinap show notes. Thinking of trimming back to 'Just listen and make up your own show notes'.Apr 16 16:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter @laurelrusswurm Writer's Block: 16 16:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Zeitgeist Is Finally Getting Options To Blacklist Applications, Files, Folders And Clear History 16 16:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk Why is it always called a 2 party system then?Apr 16 16:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk Can you elect candidates federally if they are not in a nation wide party? We can have independents w/no hope of formiing gov't.Apr 16 16:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !q "Gimme a fucking elevator. I'm fucking 60!" - !BruceApr 16 16:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] As requested, recipe for @th3k4ty rum-raisin-choco muffins: -- GPLv3, patches accepted !loApr 16 17:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @cwebber: @fabsh It is scary/impressive that on, one *can* have licensing discussions with robots.Apr 16 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Snooping: It's not a crime, it's a feature - are you sure your smartphone is on *your* side? (v @limbclock) #privacyApr 16 17:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Snooping: It's not a crime, it's a feature - are you sure your smartphone is on *your* side? (v @NomDuClavier) #privacyApr 16 17:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] US corporate media coverage of WikiLeaks has fallen short 16 17:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyclementCPC: NDPer was on same street I was last night. We worked together: if he got slammed door he'd offer to me to do better--&VVApr 16 17:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk I believe voting age should be 16. I understand your "other humans my age" dilemma but you don't see is the same is true at my ageApr 16 17:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Path Dependence of European #Copyright - excellent, important summary of how #EU law went wrong in #digital ageApr 16 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @fairvotewrc "Participation in Politics" article by Anita Nickerson @AnitaN88 and Matt Foster !fairvote !elxn41Apr 16 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Samsung Galaxy S Android 2.3 Gingerbread Update Rolling Out Now! 16 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Google "Disgusted" with Music Labels 16 17:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter it will be interesting to see if @TonyclementCPC #G20 spending gets him re-elected with a wider margin !elxn41Apr 16 17:23
Ender2070Jack works for the Guardian(Class) Propaganda ragApr 16 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk When people are that age they care enough to learn and pay attention. At minimum it would do wonders for voter apathyApr 16 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Chili Time!!!!!Apr 16 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] AP reporter nails State Department flak over Bradley Manning abuse (video) 16 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk Surprised to learn that University students in !Canada have low voter turnout. (By then many are used to being unvalued.) !elxn41Apr 16 17:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Fine Bros. recap every episode of Doctor Who ever - virtuoso stuff #doctorwhoApr 16 17:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk I am pretty sure that @JakeDaynes the guy who started Canada's Pirate Party (fielding 11 candidates) was barely voting age at the timeApr 16 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange: Cable reporting vs. cable journalism 16 17:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Yahoo! announces it will screw users & hopes they find it enjoyable - ha! nicely put (v @csoghoian) #privacy #securityApr 16 17:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz: ah yes, security through obscurity...Apr 16 17:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Righthaven's Secret Contract Revealed—Will Its Strategy Collapse? - gets better & better #copyrightApr 16 17:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @glynmoody #Yahoo! announces it will screw users & hopes they find it enjoyable - ha! nicely put (v @csoghoian) ...Apr 16 17:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] AFUL + FFII Asking for Evidence of Difficulties Buying/Selling a Computer without !Windows in EU !microsoft !mvpApr 16 17:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz Ordinary copyright (with cc licensing) on the !copyright page in print novel I await proof for. Announced intent in personal blog...Apr 16 17:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz ...and expect to upload amended version of !Inconstant Moon to @CreateSpace in 5 years replacing !CC-by-nc-sa w/CC0 on !copyright pageApr 16 18:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz so i guess it's a case of rolling my own ;DApr 16 18:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk my 83 year old father (w/60 years in music) surprised me by telling me he understands agrees with much of my copyright writing...Apr 16 18:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk ... lot of what I think is from what I've learned from him; he spends much energy trying to preserve his culture !copyright would killApr 16 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robsanchezjr/@robsanchezjr] ♺ @wikileaks: AP reporter nails State Department flak over Bradley Manning abuse (video) !wikileaksApr 16 18:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh yum, can I have some? ;)Apr 16 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Wife came back from the shops with Harry Potter 7 part1 on BluRay! Only £17, a bargain! !bluray !ps3 !wife !harrypotterApr 16 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk oh, i'm old, alright, qualified member of the !silver group :\Apr 16 18:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Went to buy #USB headset for #Skype, found all 4 seasons of #Lexx on sale for $15.00 each. My wife was not happy.Apr 16 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh please add oven temperature! (comment from wife)Apr 16 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter remember @TonyclementCPC is a politician. Knocking on doors ≠ "cares" any more than kissing babies does.Apr 16 18:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter I didn't say he didn't care, just that knocking on doors dies not mean that he does.Apr 16 18:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Set up wife's Twitter account today. She actually signed up for Twitter before I did, but didn't see the point.Apr 16 18:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Also, I have ample grounds for cynicism; my son's elementary school was in Tony's riding when Mike Harris gutted pub educationApr 16 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Knocking on doors also does not mean working for constituents. #G20 expenditures seem to have helped constituents, however.Apr 16 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @digimer: 298 days in jail, 53 days since 5/7 charges thrown out, Still no transcripts so no Bail App. #FreeByron is a #PoliticalPrisonerApr 16 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Certainly politicians are human beings, and complex as human being are; they are capable of good & ill as we all are...Apr 16 18:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter ... but !Canada has changed dramatically for the worse in my lifetime. And under #CPC Corporate taxes cut nearly in half?Apr 16 18:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Sorry, citizens are drowning in taxes. Knocking on doors does not help.Apr 16 18:31
twitterSen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont is digging through the emergency federal bailout money and is finding big handouts to rich people. 16 18:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter That's part of the job description. Photo ops.Apr 16 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz Sorry. As far as i know it is make-it-up-as-i-go-along country. I think !copyright should be shortened, this is my work-around.Apr 16 18:35
schestowitzHi, twitterApr 16 18:36
schestowitzI try not to get too sucked into all topicsApr 16 18:36
schestowitzI did this Dec-MarApr 16 18:37
schestowitzI also haven't read RMS' blog in a monthApr 16 18:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Attending community event is not making positive changes. Some of the scariest municipal pols I've known wouldn't miss.Apr 16 18:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter The only pol who has ever come to my door was Tom Jacobec. And he lied to my face. Anything to get elected.Apr 16 18:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Mr. Clement and his gov't solicited Canadian input on copyright reform, got an unprecedented response & gave us #BillC32Apr 16 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Asking constituents to tell you what they think and then ignoring what they say is not what I consider "listening" !elxn41Apr 16 18:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Getting drug in to stuff again. Sorry @bkuhn, I need to not deal with this right now. :)Apr 16 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 87 million downloads on 2011-04-16 17:47 UTCApr 16 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter That doesn't help in the here and now. That's part of why I think parties are atrocious. Human beings need to count more.Apr 16 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz: indeed, as I surmisedApr 16 18:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter I would prefer Tony as PM to Harper (which is not so say I want *anyone* from #CPX or #LPC in that job, heck no!) !elxn41Apr 16 18:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter I would prefer Tony as PM to Harper (which is not so say I want *anyone* from #CPC or #LPC in that job, heck no!) !elxn41Apr 16 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Dear PLUG guy being a jerk: No one is asking you to be here if you feel it's a 'waste of your time'Apr 16 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] testApr 16 18:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Worst things about strategic voting (a) entrenching the alternating parties, but (b) false idea of what citizens want !elxn41Apr 16 18:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @laurelrusswurm: @themadhatter Worst things about strategic voting (a) entrenching alternating parties,(b) false idea what citizens wantApr 16 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @russellmcormond Thoughts on !C32 committee members from #CPC !copyrightApr 16 19:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter No, it isn't. The Green Party and the NDP will get traction if !Canada votes for what we want. #environment #health !elxn41Apr 16 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @cwebber 2 exciting !CC announcements: !CC0 & !GPL compatibility; plaintext CC & CC0 legalcode! 16 19:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Vote for Ignatieff to save us from Harper? Strategic voting probably responsible for #GPC and #NDP disenfranchisement !elxn41Apr 16 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter @laurelrusswurm I agree, party politics are atrocious. They are worse than every other system that has ever been invented.Apr 16 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter @laurelrusswurm In my opinion the Conservative party should dump Harper and replace him with Clement.Apr 16 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Moving Closer Towards Operating Systems Unbundling in #Europe #bsd #gnu #linux #oem #windowsApr 16 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Moving Closer Towards Operating Systems Unbundling in Europe #antitrust #euApr 16 19:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @zotz @laurelrusswurm Yes, see: for some of my thoughts.Apr 16 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz Perhaps for my next novel. In Canada I think the most important thing needs to be eyes opening about !copyright terms.Apr 16 19:18
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koolhead17hi allApr 16 19:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz rt now a push in EU to lengthen !copyright on recorded music ... if it goes through it will mean undoubted loss of cultureApr 16 19:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yay! :) ♺ @corenominal: Posting this from my freshly installed #Fedora 15 system.Apr 16 19:31
schestowitzHiApr 16 19:32
schestowitzHow are you? Welcome to the channelApr 16 19:32
koolhead17thank you schestowitz sir :)Apr 16 19:33
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koolhead17just read channel log :)Apr 16 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Apple and Google Steal Microsoft’s Thunder (and Staff) #microsoft #apple #googleApr 16 19:33
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FaitherahoiApr 16 19:33
schestowitzHey :-)Apr 16 19:33
koolhead17hahaApr 16 19:33
koolhead17Faither: hellosApr 16 19:33
schestowitzFaither is the arch guruApr 16 19:33
Faither<3Apr 16 19:34
koolhead17aah !! niceApr 16 19:34
FaitherJust read on techrights and that you started the 'OS wars' without me! xDApr 16 19:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @eximious: @bkuhn IMHO, a blink and you'll miss it 2 week comment period is pretty poor PR for #HarmonyApr 16 19:35
koolhead17so schestowitz with all the effort EU is trying to understand open source and freedom :PApr 16 19:35
Faithermore like bloatware discussion ^^Apr 16 19:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @themadhatter @laurelrusswurm I'm voting #Green. No other party cares for the environment. If we don't fix things now, we'll kill our ...Apr 16 19:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Moving Closer Towards Operating Systems Unbundling in #Europe #bsd #gnu #linux #oem #windowsApr 16 19:36
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koolhead17its like yes we have to and we willApr 16 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Still editing the podcast. While keeping an eye on the Red Wing Situation....Apr 16 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Farrah3m: Be nice to nerds, Chances are you will be working for them. #bullying #wisdomApr 16 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz yes.Apr 16 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Off to do some housekeeping so I can try to load !trisquel. Not inconceivable that I'll be necessarily off line much of the weekend.Apr 16 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh actually you can, it's just WAY WAY WAY harder ;)Apr 16 19:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @tekk In reality, it as good as never happens. Studying political science has taught me that....Apr 16 19:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh yeah, strange. Both of us would have sweared we didn't notice it, sorry!Apr 16 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Need to bounce back quickly from this defeat. Lots of important games coming up. !ManUtdApr 16 19:51
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schestowitzkoolhead17: yeahApr 16 19:56
koolhead17schestowitz i think we need to do something to our education system as well :)Apr 16 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The EPO Goes Down the Same Abyss as the USPTO #epo #uspto #swpats #patents #lawApr 16 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] The EPO Goes Down the Same Abyss as the USPTO #programming #development #innovation #wwwApr 16 19:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] eeGods, what a looney on #5live "mike dean is a disgrace, zabaletta should have been red carded etc" there's nutcases everywhere !unitedApr 16 20:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh in return we'll soon post a recipe for an easy to do sweet delicacy :)Apr 16 20:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] If only we could stop the incompetent from breeding. Exhibit A: Mom on #Facebook sentenced in son's drowning death 16 20:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] SCOTUS To Hear Microsoft-i4i Case Monday - hopefully another nail in the coffin of #swpat in the usa.Apr 16 20:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @erez Using Twitter? Here's a quarter, go buy yourself a real microblogging service http://identi.caApr 16 20:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @joshix: You get one warning that thinking my own thoughts is not "trolling." At #2, that fastest gun in town thing comes into effecApr 16 20:18
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I got that 24" LED I was looking atApr 16 20:20
*DaemonFC likes itApr 16 20:20
koolhead17hahaApr 16 20:21
DaemonFCthat other display was really starting to show its age, with the ghosting and allApr 16 20:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @gomerx: @mo6020 Mmmm... Whiskey!Apr 16 20:21
DaemonFCoh well, I could be like my step dad I guessApr 16 20:21
DaemonFCWindows XP on a Pentium 3Apr 16 20:22
DaemonFCdidn't know that IE was a bad thing(R) until I politely informed him that this is not the 1990s and he shouldn't be using a browser meant for the 1990sApr 16 20:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @jeffg 2 weeks to review Project #Harmony draft? srsly? unintended consequences would linger for years. decades even, cf #gplv2. !fsApr 16 20:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is marjoleink with 135 dents!Apr 16 20:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Hey @joshix, if GNU/Linux userland is so bad, can you get over here and install Plan 9 for me? ThanksApr 16 20:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] With a hi hi ho, and a hi hi heyApr 16 20:53
schestowitzLOLApr 16 20:57
schestowitzMicrosocft Jack gets his behind handed over to him:Apr 16 20:57
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schestowitz"And Schestowitz is in no way my "Dark Lord". How *dare* you?! Do you actually *go out of your way* to insult the people who reply to you?"Apr 16 20:57
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schestowitzDaemonFC: congrats on the TV :-)Apr 16 20:58
schestowitzOr is it a PC monitor?Apr 16 20:58
schestowitzI have 24 incher too, since 2008Apr 16 20:58
schestowitzYesterday my friend and I watched some youtube stuff on itApr 16 20:59
schestowitzYouTube does lots of HD nowApr 16 20:59
DaemonFCmonitorApr 16 21:00
DaemonFC:)Apr 16 21:00
Ender2070schestowitz - the Guardian serves more than Bill Gates. It has funding from a lot of elite sources.Apr 16 21:05
Ender2070thats why I call it the Guardian ClassApr 16 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Wikileaks gaña a VII edicion do Premio José Couso 16 21:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Now that's what I call bad luck the beginning of #supernatural S06EP17 garageApr 16 21:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #5live had a segment on botnets with NO mention of the W or M word, #Microsoft arrive to do the silver knight role at the end #patheticApr 16 21:30
DaemonFCmeh, that's really why Kopete and Pidgin exist you knowApr 16 21:32
DaemonFCso you can still talk to people who were born with an extra chromosome or three who still use Yahoo and MSNApr 16 21:32
DaemonFC-Me to a friendApr 16 21:32
MinceR:>Apr 16 21:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Rory Reed from #CNET appears to be the "technology expert" on #5live without any clue about #WindowsApr 16 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] 20 minutes of fighting with Wordpress themes editor. ARGH. Used FTP to download and directly edit the offending PHP file. Faster & Easier.Apr 16 21:46
DaemonFCMinceR, I notice FGLRX actually works a lot better if you rip out all the code that relates to the big kernel lockApr 16 21:54
schestowitzEnder2070: which other sources of funding?Apr 16 21:54
DaemonFCI wonder if there was ever really a need for them to do things that way or if they were just trying to make it an even more craptacular driverApr 16 21:54
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TechrightsBot-tr@akshatj_96: @schestowitz @jackschofield What are your contributions? Where is the "Free Software" that you write?Apr 16 21:55
schestowitzLOLApr 16 21:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Articles of ZDNet UK response to my experience debating in comments thereApr 16 21:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Articles of ZDNet UK response to my experience debating in comments there !techrights !tbApr 16 21:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Mark Sheppard is awesome. That is all.Apr 16 21:56
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schestowitz"@akshatj_96 eeeee mine are on my Web site (under Projects). All my software is free/libre. I don't code proprietary"Apr 16 21:56
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TechrightsBot-tr@vivek_jonam: @schestowitz Firefox 4.0's many features resemble Previous Google Chrome's, Take a look,, 16 21:57
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schestowitzChrome used to copy from others ;-)Apr 16 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !barca playing a blinder.Apr 16 22:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre and now available for !gnewsense/mipsel for !yeeloongApr 16 22:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] GOAL! !barca !footballApr 16 22:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Madrid fans pointing green lasers in !barca players faces #lame !footballApr 16 22:18
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oiaohmschestowitz:  I guess you have already seen this. basically possible evedence of a possible stick MS has over ex staff todo what they are told. <<repeat if it did not make itApr 16 22:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] How Microsoft Florian ‘Cooks’ Spin !microsoft #mobbyists #lobby !ibm #turbohercules #fud #spin #swpatsApr 16 22:26
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sebsebsebMinceR: schestowitz hiApr 16 22:28
MinceRj0Apr 16 22:28
sebsebsebnisshh hiApr 16 22:28
sebsebsebMinceR: hmm well things have got even worse for me now with PC Linux OSApr 16 22:28
sebsebsebGnome 2 crashing here and there, or well not loading up properly I should sayApr 16 22:29
sebsebseband even worse now Synaptic keeps on crashingApr 16 22:29
sebsebsebMinceR: and well the plan was to put Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 2 on anyway, so yeah this distro is on the verge of going bye byeApr 16 22:29
schestowitzoiaohm: yes, blogged itApr 16 22:30
schestowitzoh, wait. No, different dudeApr 16 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Carolyn_Bennett: RT @ourvotecanada: #votemob Don't suppress the votes! Lets remind every Canadian why this is important!Apr 16 22:31
schestowitzoiaohm: 16 22:32
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 16-Apr-11 18:33:01 UTC - Apple and Google Steal Microsoft’s Thunder (and Staff) #microsoft #apple #google #fudApr 16 22:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #RedHat Expands Cloud Computing Partnership With NTT Communications #gnu #linuxApr 16 22:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Dye Easter eggs DYE!Apr 16 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu : The Gateway #Linux fair pointsApr 16 22:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] An #Arch User Trying Out #Kubuntu 11.04 "Good job!"Apr 16 22:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What's Up With TransGaming's GameTree Linux? interesting report from @phoronixApr 16 22:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @seananmcguire: Have abandoned my post at the front of the store to visit restroom. Left six-year-old in my place. Will anyone notice?Apr 16 22:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Firefox needs heavy hitter #Linux power mildly interestng. #asayrollApr 16 22:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #CentOS 5.6 #Gnome Desktop Review "excellent choice for small server implementations or businesses." #rhel #gnu #linuxApr 16 22:50
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schestowitzsebsebseb: how are you, mate?Apr 16 22:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The New Look of the #Ubuntu 11.04 Server Installer! I've used it before, it's quite neatApr 16 22:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My #Kubuntu Natty Opinions "Like I said, overall I am really impressed with what I am seeing here."Apr 16 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How To Install And Play #AngryBirds On #GNU #Linux I never liked the game much, many people doApr 16 22:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] Libyan rebel guitarist rocks the front line #tpn #libya #anon #piracyApr 16 22:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Debian Project Leader election 2011 results Are there normally so few comments? Was sure I remembered more last timeApr 16 23:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] America are very anti human rights where unions are concerned. It's like they still haven't left the McCarthy era :(Apr 16 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #MeeGo sees interest from others after Nokia shift #elop mole not enough to harm #linux apparentlyApr 16 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] back from hockey. poor swiss. canada thumped them 12-0Apr 16 23:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #SimplyMepis Shaping Up - 11.0 RC 2 Released still going strongApr 16 23:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Just reading a few stories about this Michigan Emergency powers bills stuff. This is setting a really bad example to the ROTWApr 16 23:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Geohot Donates Your Legal Donations to the #EFF - $10,000 in Total « I suppose that softens the blow a bit?Apr 16 23:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Contour brings a context-sensitive interface to #KDE Plasma Active Still best DE n the world 16 23:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fedora: virt-manager with SPICE support coming in #Fedora 15 nice. Watch out, Ubuntu. [SUSE is virtually dead now)Apr 16 23:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sony #Boycott closes some stores in Europe according to PSGroove « Wonder how my most local store fared?Apr 16 23:16
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schestowitzMinceR: Shell Sort algorithm demonstrated using Hungarian folk dance. How about a parallel algorithm next? Apr 16 23:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @rcweir Shell Sort algorithm demonstrated using Hungarian folk dance. How about a parallel algorithm next? 16 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Ubuntuone's space seems 2 B getting very crowded lately altho this crowd still has yet 2 B confirmed let alone arriveApr 16 23:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @mgeist Just watched P&P on iPod tax: no one gets it. #CPC can't explain $75 figure, #LPC says abt C-32. Both wrong. 16 23:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] what are the odds on #Torres not scoring at all this season in competitive games for #Chelsea?Apr 16 23:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Growth of Linux Visiting Wikipedia mostly English-speaking crowdApr 16 23:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What's with the arbitrary separation between "PC" and "tablet"? What's "PC" supposed to be anyway? Desktop? Laptop too? Who decides?Apr 16 23:41
MinceRschestowitz: depends if you mean "lame tablet" or "tablet PC" :>Apr 16 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If my PC is on the carpet and screens on the walls, are they still a "desktop"?Apr 16 23:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Criminal Charges Loom For #GoldmanSachs After Scathing Senate Report #whitecollar #crime #toobigtojailApr 16 23:53
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twitterSadly, ZDNet will just delete the comment because "they make unsubstantiated harmful suggestions about companies" and so Jack can make fun of the same allegations without anyone being able to contradict him.  Posting in ZDNet is a mistake because Microsoft controls the discussion completely and will abuse their position.  Your discussion with Jack proves this.  -> (01:03:36 PM) schestowitz: Microsocft Jack gets his behind handed over to hApr 16 23:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] last supper on skateboard decks, with mexican wrestling masksApr 16 23:55
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