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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "@psquid can't spell hippie" LOL | Apr 23 00:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ECT still quotes Microsoft-funded #didio on #Linux - spreading #FUD about "support" (that's the business model!) http://is.gd/hIEUCi *LOL* | Apr 23 00:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @wayneborean Fairvote principles are gaining popularity because the Canadian system is so unfair http://www.fairvote.ca/ #elxn41 #fed2011 | Apr 23 00:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Tutorial by @psgroove - How To Change the Region of Your #PS3 Blu-ray Drive http://bit.ly/hlux4H | Apr 23 00:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Heavy thunder IRL. I wish I had a deep cave. I fear zombie pigmen. | Apr 23 00:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @russellmcormond rt @evansolomoncbc Still talking long gun *registry* when #C32 contemplated locking up IT http://BillC32.ca/5209 !elxn41 | Apr 23 00:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @bobjonkman @steven_b_scott sez: I do not support the breaking of Canadian law. http://is.gd/uVxRx9 << This guy has integrity! !elxn4 ... | Apr 23 00:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks cables bare secrets of U.S.-Laotian relations | McClatchy http://is.gd/pEqHCV | Apr 23 00:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Righthaven are behaving more like crooks with every new story I read http://bit.ly/fmM68A is at #EFF | Apr 23 00:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @jimmac Asking for help with the gimp website is like lighting a match in the fumes of the CMS rafinery. #gimp #ifopinionscouldbeconv ... | Apr 23 00:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks cables bare secrets of U.S.-Laotian relations | McClatchy http://is.gd/pEqHCV http://bit.ly/ib5Vli | Apr 23 00:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Lightning...... Oo | Apr 23 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] This is how behaviour tracking will be pushed to the masses, as incentives and cost savings http://bit.ly/dK9qT2 | Apr 23 00:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Car insurance 'smartbox' that could lower young drivers' premiums | Money | The Guardian .::. Size~: 124.06 KB | Apr 23 00:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] BOOOOOOM! | Apr 23 00:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Time is all wrong in !identicurse.... | Apr 23 00:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] F | Apr 23 00:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FLASH! | Apr 23 00:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I mean seriously? Who names their kid Gaylord? The Johnny Cash song is peanuts compared to this! | Apr 23 00:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] The Borean family has voted in the advance polls for #elxn41 - advanced polls open Saturday and Monday 12 to 8 - get out and #VOTE ! | Apr 23 00:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Oops. While we were voting that thieving Beagle stole and ate my Blueberry pie! Sam, you know what the vet said about your weight! | Apr 23 00:36 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/the-open-source-revolution-10014902/articles-of-roy-schestowitz-10022241/#comments "We are now closing comments on this post." | Apr 23 00:40 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] This weather is mad. | Apr 23 00:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @russellmcormond Posted about the !CPC @iPodTax embarrassingly inaccurate campaign website http://creform.ca/5315 !fed2011 !C32 #iPodTax | Apr 23 00:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @haraldthered "The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never tell if they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln !q | Apr 23 00:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] GO SABRES!!!! | Apr 23 00:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @wayneborean RT @jkoblovsky: RT @gclight: Canada is now embracing green technology purchasing F35 Gliders. #elxn41 ROFLMAO - yep, no ... | Apr 23 00:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @wayneborean 87.91% Of Canadian Facebook Users Think Contempt Charge Of Substance To Canadian Election: http://bit.ly/f4MBj9 #elxn41 ... | Apr 23 00:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @seananmcguire: Oh my gosh! AN ARTIFICIAL NIGHT won the @BSCreview book tournament! TOBY IS TRIUMPHANT! #itsthelittlethings | Apr 23 00:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @wayneborean Ebook Sales pass Paperbacks - I redo my estimate of how long Book Stores can survive: http://weblit.ca/?q=node/39 #books ... | Apr 23 00:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @davidmarsden: @satipera @glynmoody @wayneborean !Movie Gasland is a !fracking comprehensive intro to the issues. http://is.gd/QbjIAU | Apr 23 00:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The Playoffs just rock! Best hockey ever. :D !NHL | Apr 23 00:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Thanks to the #zdnet employee who wrote to sympathise | Apr 23 00:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] After 7 days of newly-created, anonymous sockuppets that boast #mono and curse me knowing they'll get no challenge, #zdnet closed the thread | Apr 23 00:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Identicurse's spam killer function is so ace, you look forward for spammers to /nuke :D | Apr 23 00:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ZDNet: thank you, trolls, for helping shame Roy, who does not like our advertisers. That's enough for now. Love, Karen. | Apr 23 00:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @zach @support please terminate poptropicaislandwalkthrough with extreme prejudice. | Apr 23 01:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Freedom of expression if a wonderful thing; when people are bullied for gently expressing an opnion, their freedom of expression gets mocked | Apr 23 01:01 | |
| hmm, you would think that comments would be closed as soon as comments were being deleted | Apr 23 01:02 | |
| not doing that only lends credibility to accusations that the deletions were malicious | Apr 23 01:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Alright, I admit it, after purchasing !minecraft today, I'm hooked.... really great stuff! http://www.minecraft.net/ | Apr 23 01:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @pegwole According to this iPhone comercial I don't have an iPod or iTunes in my phone. I'm happy with that. !android | Apr 23 01:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.32.39-libre2 and 2.6.33.12-libre1 sources now available | Apr 23 01:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @bobjonkman Rebuttal to @KingandOttawa's suggestion to vote insincerely: http://ur1.ca/3yadb !fairvote !elxn41 | Apr 23 01:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] downloading the #fedora #gnome3 live iso to try tomorrow | Apr 23 01:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @seananmcguire: "We had our real life Serenity Valley. Still the losing side. Still the right one." #geekrising | Apr 23 01:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @schestowitz: ♻ @bgiltrap: @jackschofield @schestowitz http://is.gd/nG14zX | Apr 23 01:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @schestowitz: .@jackschofield I did *NOT* fail to defend it and your employer *DELETED* my defence. Get it? :-) Here: http://is.gd/sQs2j0 | Apr 23 01:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA4tLCGcTG4&feature=topvideos_film | Apr 23 01:23 |
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| thanks Daemon, that was awful | Apr 23 01:30 | |
| schestowitz | LOL http://identi.ca/notice/34260864 | Apr 23 01:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Fabian Scherschel (fabsh)'s status on Monday, 31-May-10 15:06:35 UTC - Identi.ca: @lefty Hmmm.... They seem more competent than someone who's blog title is "Boycott Boycott Novell", yes.... | Apr 23 01:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just mined fucking 119 blocks of Obsidian. If I die now, I'll eat my netbook! | Apr 23 01:31 | |
| schestowitz | This guy pisses me off: http://twitter.com/searchasyoutype/statuses/61532053493125120 | Apr 23 01:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @searchasyoutype: New Ways to Extort the Competitors, Using Patents? http://ur1.ca/3qtb3 Nothing new, like stealing 'candy' from a baby http://bit.ly/fhVt8E | Apr 23 01:31 |
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| schestowitz | Check out his feed | Apr 23 01:32 |
| schestowitz | he spam-pings people with his agenda which has nothing to do with the topic they cover | Apr 23 01:32 |
| schestowitz | LOL Jack still can't leave us alone..http://twitter.com/jackschofield/statuses/61519329652514817 | Apr 23 01:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @jackschofield: @bgiltrap Regardless of any "fud" about #techrights, it's worse than useless as a source of information, simply because it can't be trusted. | Apr 23 01:32 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet deletes comments of him | Apr 23 01:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @fabsh make sure you record that and take the battery out.. | Apr 23 01:33 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/bgiltrap/statuses/61510094361341952 | Apr 23 01:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @bgiltrap: @jackschofield so far techrights seems to stack up well on being able to be verified | Apr 23 01:33 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/bgiltrap/statuses/61509859274792960 | Apr 23 01:34 |
| yes, I saw that | Apr 23 01:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @bgiltrap: @jackschofield I have a healthy skeptism of anything posted any where on the net which is why I ignored the #fud about techrights | Apr 23 01:34 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/jackschofield/statuses/61509517367721984 | Apr 23 01:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @jackschofield: @bgiltrap I agree, but is #techrights any better? This is why I'm rather wary about the sort of people who associate with it.... | Apr 23 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Incitations | Apr 23 01:34 |
| schestowitz | As usual | Apr 23 01:34 |
| schestowitz | It's the "Concerned troll" tactic | Apr 23 01:35 |
| yes, don't touch that dial, trust no one but big media like Microsoft Jack! | Apr 23 01:35 | |
| schestowitz | Florian chats with patents boosters http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/61501757217447936 | Apr 23 01:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: @pandersonpllc Congrats on Techmeme support for your great article on the latest Google suit! | Apr 23 01:36 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/61503846958104576 http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/61521897954881537 http://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/61519081311965184 | Apr 23 01:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: @Pandersonpllc It can generate pretty significant traffic for stories. Not as huge usually as, say, news.ycombinator.com or reddit, but big. | Apr 23 01:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: @Pandersonpllc Actually any poster just gets 1 initial point. It then depends on how many others vote it up. | Apr 23 01:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FOSSpatents: @Pandersonpllc ycom can send huge traffic but depending on how many users vote a posting up. | Apr 23 01:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @tekk Ahahahahahah! *splodes* | Apr 23 01:36 | |
| schestowitz | He flatters another 'lobbyist' for swpats | Apr 23 01:36 |
| schestowitz | Same company... | Apr 23 01:37 |
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| this is one of the reasons I don't like Twitter | Apr 23 01:37 | |
| it's easy for big dumb companies to game with fake accounts | Apr 23 01:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OH NO!!!! @nybill IS GOING EAST!!!!!!!! #TINAP | Apr 23 01:38 | |
| all the usual forum troll tricks, but only 140 characters | Apr 23 01:38 | |
| it's paradise for bullshitters like Florian | Apr 23 01:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I will now build a huge obsidian stargate! :D | Apr 23 01:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Listening to Josh Woodward's "Stars Collide" !cc by http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/54034 | Apr 23 01:45 | |
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| I'm not sure I'd call Barnie a troll. | Apr 23 01:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] UK Music Publishers Association Tries To Hide CopyFraud: http://bit.ly/hvScri #dmca #copyright #copyfraud #chillingeffects | Apr 23 01:48 | |
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| Taking Florian Mueller seriously at this point strains credulity but I like to see more evidence than that | Apr 23 01:49 | |
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| it is interesting that the patent medicine article does not mention tobacco as a surviving patent medicine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_medicine | Apr 23 02:02 | |
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| barnieg | twitter: me?! | Apr 23 02:03 |
| you what? | Apr 23 02:03 | |
| barnieg | calling me a troll | Apr 23 02:03 |
| no, I am not. | Apr 23 02:03 | |
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| I told Roy not to be hasty. | Apr 23 02:04 | |
| barnieg | twitter: no meant the tweets today from jack, wondered if anyone else repeated it | Apr 23 02:04 |
| I don't have a twitter account. | Apr 23 02:04 | |
| barnieg | Just caught up with todays tweets | Apr 23 02:04 |
| barnieg | and looking at things over time | Apr 23 02:05 |
| barnieg | its clear that the whole antiroy campaign is coordinated | Apr 23 02:05 |
| barnieg | but maybe not at an official level | Apr 23 02:05 |
| see Roy's comments from 05:39:28 and forward | Apr 23 02:06 | |
| no, Microsoft stuff is usually coordinated | Apr 23 02:07 | |
| barnieg | twitter: definately to some level, but you also have what i have experienced in the charity sector (this is specific to the UK) where indivduals or businesess have a vested interest in the status quo, so attack anything that dares change that | Apr 23 02:08 |
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| barnieg | what would help me is scrapping some old email archives that are stored in webformat | Apr 23 02:09 |
| barnieg | which is beyond my capabilities at the moment | Apr 23 02:09 |
| Looking back at it, Roy was probably referring to Jack as the "concerned troll" rather than the "bgitrap" account | Apr 23 02:09 | |
| barnieg | bgiltrap is my account and jack seemed to playing nice to me to increase the attacks on roy | Apr 23 02:10 |
| what ISP? | Apr 23 02:10 | |
| barnieg | sorry mine? | Apr 23 02:10 |
| yes, the keeper of your mail | Apr 23 02:11 | |
| I suppose the better question is, "do they have an imap interface" | Apr 23 02:11 | |
| barnieg | ahh ok I use Virgin Media at home and ZenADSL at the office, however I host my own mail and use a gmail account to collect when Im out and about and yes i use imap a lot | Apr 23 02:12 |
| barnieg | I use nethosted (a uk company) for domain hosting of my reseller account both for myself and clients | Apr 23 02:13 |
| if you use Imap, you can drag and drop all of it with kmail. | Apr 23 02:13 | |
| google also does pop, so you can use that to scrape all of your mail. I'm not sure about the others but the imap drag and drop should do the job. | Apr 23 02:14 | |
| barnieg | twitter: ahh the mail I want to scrape is from the archives here: http://lists.lasa.org.uk/lists/arc/ukriders | Apr 23 02:16 |
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| barnieg | Some of the "discussions" had some quite heated attacks on me and I cant find the original mails so need to scrape them so as to write them up in a blog post | Apr 23 02:17 |
| why don't you ask the list keeper for help? | Apr 23 02:21 | |
| barnieg | twitter: possible I'll give it a try | Apr 23 02:22 |
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| I understand that Microsoft people infest these kinds of lists. Conversations with people poisoned by Microsoft propaganda can be very unpleasant. They are rude, self assured and insulting. | Apr 23 02:24 | |
| Microsoft culture is mean spirited in general and adherents are irrationally attached and loud. | Apr 23 02:24 | |
| Somehow, Microsoft makes themselves part of the identity of techs and sales people. | Apr 23 02:25 | |
| talking to them is sort of like talking to sports fans | Apr 23 02:26 | |
| barnieg | twitter: In this particular case its worse than that, these people have had government funding to support IT in the charity sector the fud they spout on lists like this is what they say to their clients | Apr 23 02:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] #Minecraft Stargate http://ur1.ca/3yd2y | Apr 23 02:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: http://file.status.net/i/identica/fabsh-20110423T012552-hsazkge.png - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.35 KB | Apr 23 02:28 |
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| You should start your own list. | Apr 23 02:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. | Apr 23 02:31 | |
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| that list you are on blocks google, so you won't be able to find things without help from the owner. | Apr 23 02:35 | |
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| part of that can be avoided if you use a regular email client | Apr 23 02:36 | |
| not being able to point back to the list is a severe disadvantage | Apr 23 02:37 | |
| I'm not able to see any of the messages there at all | Apr 23 02:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Perfumes for Geeks. But would you really want to ride the buss with someone who's favorite perfume was Orc? http://is.gd/TJqTUt | Apr 23 02:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @laurelrusswurm: RT @wayneborean Fairvote principles gaining popularity because Canadian system is unfair http://www.fairvote.ca/ #elxn41 | Apr 23 02:46 | |
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| Pogson's troll consistently taunt him with threats of poverty and ruined career if he does not learn Microsoft's latest and greatest crap. | Apr 23 02:55 | |
| http://mrpogson.com/2011/04/20/the-squeeze-is-on/ -> "No extended experience with a version of microsoft OS newer that a three generations obsolete version. Are you going to expect anyone to take you seriously with statements like this?" | Apr 23 03:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Squeeze is On at Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 58.72 KB | Apr 23 03:07 |
| ->"So compare 10 year old commercial software to current open sauce? No wonder you can’t find work Robert, you demonstrate no objectivity." | Apr 23 03:08 | |
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| they really beat up on him, what asses. | Apr 23 03:25 | |
| here too http://mrpogson.com/2011/04/19/theres-a-crater-where-it-at-ornl-used-to-be/ | Apr 23 03:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: There’s a Crater Where IT at ORNL Used to be. at Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 38.9 KB | Apr 23 03:27 |
| -> get some experience with recent microsoft OS’s on non-vintage equipment before you pontificate, but I guess ignorance is bliss Pog.Just dont expect anyone to take you seriously when all you can talk about from direct experience are 10 year old versions of microsoft applications. | Apr 23 03:28 | |
| nasty. | Apr 23 03:28 | |
| this is a variation on the old theme, "do what society expects/I say or you will starve" | Apr 23 03:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "SS IPM (RAW)" | Apr 23 03:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Groklaw: More Wayne Gray. No! Again? Still?! Yes. He Wants to Reopen Discovery in the USPTO Dispute: http://is.gd/0SzH7O #sco #novell | Apr 23 03:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] OK, we can tell who pigged out on Blueberry pie. It's the Beagle who's snoring like a chainsaw, head resting on my knee. #dogs | Apr 23 03:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "In a world where all are free, the price of liberty is enslavement" | Apr 23 03:43 | |
| Ender2070 | The old theme that will never change. | Apr 23 03:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @osamak: If I could talk to all human rights activists today, I'd ask them to drop any iPhones they might have. | Apr 23 03:50 | |
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| haskeller | hi. | Apr 23 04:05 |
| hello | Apr 23 04:05 | |
| got news? | Apr 23 04:06 | |
| haskeller | got a question. | Apr 23 04:06 |
| haskeller | It's legal to embed a google analytics script on a chrome extension. is it legal to track on the analytics the username, for example? | Apr 23 04:06 |
| haskeller | just that, no pass and everything. just his username, so I could check on a regular basis what users are using my extension the most. | Apr 23 04:07 |
| I don't know. | Apr 23 04:07 | |
| why don't you try it and see? | Apr 23 04:08 | |
| write it and see if you can track yourself | Apr 23 04:09 | |
| haskeller | I've done that, I can. | Apr 23 04:09 |
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| haskeller | but I'm not sure if there's any limits to what I can track on an extension (that is virtually every keystroke) | Apr 23 04:10 |
| if you are talking about legal limits, that depends on local law | Apr 23 04:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] NVIDIA Tegra Is Not Targeted By Nouveau: This week on the Nouveau mailing list it was asked whether the NVIDIA T... http://bit.ly/gMnDqJ | Apr 23 04:11 | |
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| some places are stricter than others but obviously no place is strict enough because Microsoft's Vista family of OS has file indexing and encrypted communications back to Microsoft. | Apr 23 04:12 | |
| haskeller | I see. | Apr 23 04:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell Speaker @JohnBoehner: Don't defend the unconstitutional Defense of Marriage Act with our money. http://bit.ly/hgaRj7 | Apr 23 04:13 | |
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| if you want the information, there's nothing wrong with doing it Debian popcorn style and ask the user if they want to participate | Apr 23 04:13 | |
| haskeller | hehe, that is the most viable solution. | Apr 23 04:15 |
| informed consent is an ethical way to learn things | Apr 23 04:15 | |
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| haskeller | Agreed. | Apr 23 04:16 |
| and you should have a way for people to opt out later in case they change their minds | Apr 23 04:17 | |
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| haskeller | absolutely. | Apr 23 04:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @Vickyontowit: Who vote today! I know I did! 1st time ever!!!! #elxn41 | Apr 23 04:23 | |
| Ick, today is World Copyright Day. What the heck is that? | Apr 23 04:24 | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Book_and_Copyright_Day | Apr 23 04:25 | |
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| haskeller | and in a few days, World Intellectual Property Day | Apr 23 04:28 |
| haskeller | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Day | Apr 23 04:28 |
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| I like their themes, perhaps they could rename the day, Intellectual Freedom Day | Apr 23 04:30 | |
| and the other one just World Book Day | Apr 23 04:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Enjoying @lorenzosmusic. http://ur1.ca/3yg8m Raw, often Tom-Waits-ian (no bad thing) indie. It's !freemusic - yay! !Jamendo !ccmusic #BY-SA | Apr 23 04:31 | |
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| Half of Spain's books are bought on their Book Day which has been going on since 1925. I wonder if local libraries have gotten smart about it and used it to make lists of books to buy your friends that can later be donated to the library so everyone can read them. | Apr 23 04:32 | |
| oiaohm | twitter: Nice in theory. | Apr 23 04:33 |
| It would not be hard to implement in practice. | Apr 23 04:33 | |
| oiaohm | twitter: there is a issue in practice | Apr 23 04:34 |
| oiaohm | quality of lots of books produced. | Apr 23 04:34 |
| The library could have a drive and a check list at the library. | Apr 23 04:34 | |
| oiaohm | Not all printings of a book are useable by a library due to quality of spine. | Apr 23 04:34 |
| quality is an issue but one that people might overlook due to the great recession | Apr 23 04:34 | |
| oiaohm | ie bad spine after a few rough handlings they become just a stack of pages. | Apr 23 04:35 |
| and libraries could use it for short term pulp of the sort people are likely to give their boyfriend in exchange for flowers | Apr 23 04:35 | |
| on a global scale, it could be World Book and Library Day. That sounds better than copyright. | Apr 23 04:36 | |
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| oiaohm | Most people don't notice in a library the high ratio of hard backs compared to the local book store. twitter | Apr 23 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Hard cover/backs better spines so last better being lent. | Apr 23 04:37 |
| oiaohm | Thing is convince people to spend more and buy better quality books that after you are done could be given to a library. twitter | Apr 23 04:38 |
| I understand what you say, ohm, but I disagree. it's not much of an issue and it's not one to that can't be overcome | Apr 23 04:38 | |
| so? it would be better to fill the library than the landfill and every step helps | Apr 23 04:38 | |
| oiaohm | Way got around it. | Apr 23 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Is simple people donate paper back and poorly bound those get sold. | Apr 23 04:39 |
| good for way! | Apr 23 04:39 | |
| oiaohm | Not put on the shelves. | Apr 23 04:39 |
| oiaohm | And the money from that used to buy decent quality books. | Apr 23 04:39 |
| oiaohm | Not ideal. | Apr 23 04:39 |
| oiaohm | But works. | Apr 23 04:39 |
| yes, book sales work | Apr 23 04:39 | |
| libraries do this with their donated books all the time | Apr 23 04:40 | |
| oiaohm | Ideal of course would be people buy better quality books. | Apr 23 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Suitable for going on shelfs to be shared. | Apr 23 04:40 |
| oiaohm | But I don't see that happening any time soon. | Apr 23 04:40 |
| what would be ideal is if everyone who ever wanted to read a particular book could easily find it - that is the goal of libraries and binding quality is a secondary issue | Apr 23 04:41 | |
| Why would it matter if the thing fell apart after only a few people had read it if no one would have been able to read it otherwise? | Apr 23 04:41 | |
| oiaohm | No point giving a person a book and they read it and they find the last page missing or the page they want missing. | Apr 23 04:41 |
| oiaohm | It kinda generates hate failed books do. | Apr 23 04:42 |
| I think your job is to disagree rather than explore the issue | Apr 23 04:42 | |
| oiaohm | I have worked as a library care taker for a while. twitter | Apr 23 04:43 |
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| community service, ohm? | Apr 23 04:43 | |
| ;-) | Apr 23 04:44 | |
| oiaohm | Paid twitter | Apr 23 04:44 |
| oiaohm | Part of the job rebinding old books. twitter | Apr 23 04:44 |
| what were you in for? | Apr 23 04:44 | |
| oiaohm | It was a local town library. | Apr 23 04:45 |
| oiaohm | Some of the old record books were over 100 years old and the thread in the binding had died. | Apr 23 04:45 |
| j-walking, disagreeing with a police man? | Apr 23 04:45 | |
| old books have that problem | Apr 23 04:46 | |
| my pulp books have held up remarkably well | Apr 23 04:46 | |
| oiaohm | But a proper bound book can be rebound. | Apr 23 04:46 |
| I have 20 year old paper back books that are in great shape | Apr 23 04:46 | |
| oiaohm | paper backs that are glue bound. | Apr 23 04:46 |
| oiaohm | When they fail. | Apr 23 04:47 |
| a proper book is digitized but that's a different issue | Apr 23 04:47 | |
| oiaohm | twitter: I was making miroflim and digitizing at the same time. | Apr 23 04:47 |
| the issue of why people are being paid to rebind old books instead of scanning them | Apr 23 04:47 | |
| oiaohm | When you were rebind them. | Apr 23 04:47 |
| cool | Apr 23 04:47 | |
| oiaohm | Since you do have them basically in pieces | Apr 23 04:47 |
| I'm not sure about the microfilm part | Apr 23 04:47 | |
| that seems like a wasteful extra step | Apr 23 04:48 | |
| oiaohm | We had a microfilm reference desk. | Apr 23 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Of all things sun light powered. | Apr 23 04:48 |
| oiaohm | Ie any light source and it would work. | Apr 23 04:48 |
| that's nice | Apr 23 04:48 | |
| did you have a web server so that people could read your digitized books? | Apr 23 04:49 | |
| oiaohm | And the microfilm is a lot lighter than the book. | Apr 23 04:49 |
| oiaohm | twitter: Small town at the time no internet. This was 1996 | Apr 23 04:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @dmaggot: I'm taking hostages on an IRC channel: If I don't get an answer in five minutes I'll start pinging one random nick every minute | Apr 23 04:50 | |
| yes, but I presume all of the digitized books are stored someplace | Apr 23 04:50 | |
| oiaohm | News papers and other stuff the broken down also ended up mirofilm as well. | Apr 23 04:50 |
| and by now there are adequate networks | Apr 23 04:50 | |
| oiaohm | Mirofilm is stable for a nice 150 + years. | Apr 23 04:50 |
| so says the film maker | Apr 23 04:50 | |
| oiaohm | We had some mirofilms that old. | Apr 23 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Made from the same material we were still using. | Apr 23 04:51 |
| oiaohm | Microfilms that last do have one downside. | Apr 23 04:51 |
| oiaohm | They are grayscale. No color. | Apr 23 04:52 |
| oiaohm | Color mirofilms screw up badly after about 20 to 30 years. | Apr 23 04:52 |
| oiaohm | The glue binding no matter how careful you are reactes with the paper. twitter. In time where the glue is ends up hard and fragile. So when the glue does fail. You can not use the same area that was allocated for binding to rebind. | Apr 23 04:54 |
| oiaohm | Also depending on the quality of glue used to bind the book this could be between 2 years to about 40 years. | Apr 23 04:54 |
| oiaohm | Good thread bindings are predictable to start failing at the 100 year mark. And the binding area be repairable. | Apr 23 04:55 |
| I don't think your film could be older than 120 years and Microfilm is younger than that. | Apr 23 04:55 | |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celluloid | Apr 23 04:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Celluloid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 41.96 KB | Apr 23 04:55 |
| oiaohm | You are looking for the silver based one. TechrightsBot-tr | Apr 23 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Opps silver based one twitter | Apr 23 04:57 |
| oiaohm | The material dates back to glass plate photographics. | Apr 23 04:57 |
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microfilm | Apr 23 04:58 | |
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| Your library is quite exceptional if you have documents preserved as microfilms from the first decade or two after Herschel and Glaisher proposed it. | Apr 23 05:00 | |
| depending on the material used, they might have outlasted the paper volumes but the expense and labor would have been tremendous. | Apr 23 05:01 | |
| oiaohm | And scary. | Apr 23 05:01 |
| oiaohm | Thing you are using silver nitate. | Apr 23 05:01 |
| oiaohm | thinking you are using silver nitrate. | Apr 23 05:01 |
| oiaohm | With the correct fixers ends up very stable. twitter | Apr 23 05:01 |
| oiaohm | With the wrong mix end up with a stack of explosive. | Apr 23 05:02 |
| oiaohm | twitter: mainting bound books also takes a lot of labor | Apr 23 05:02 |
| yes, that's why they should be digitized | Apr 23 05:03 | |
| oiaohm | 1996 | Apr 23 05:03 |
| oiaohm | digitizing was a slow as hell. | Apr 23 05:03 |
| it is a crime that modern publishers make paper books and destroy their digital copies | Apr 23 05:04 | |
| oiaohm | You could have the book completely on mirofilm and out front in under half a day. | Apr 23 05:04 |
| for the last 20 or 30 years, they have all made post script books to send to press | Apr 23 05:04 | |
| oiaohm | That way if someone did want it they had the mirofilm copy and was not bugging you. | Apr 23 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Of course that is as long you need to miss a step and have the film catch fire in the reader. | Apr 23 05:05 |
| oiaohm | need/did not | Apr 23 05:05 |
| even with the crudest modern cameras, a person can do 15 pages per minute | Apr 23 05:05 | |
| oiaohm | God I hate when I have word swap. | Apr 23 05:05 |
| oiaohm | digatising today makes more sense. twitter | Apr 23 05:05 |
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| oiaohm | 1996 doing mirofilm and digatising made sence. | Apr 23 05:06 |
| at the publisher, it always has | Apr 23 05:06 | |
| oiaohm | So you did not person want book bugging you. | Apr 23 05:06 |
| oiaohm | Nothing worse. | Apr 23 05:06 |
| oiaohm | Ie what page was I on problem. | Apr 23 05:06 |
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| oiaohm | twitter: really it would be nice if publishers would provide mirofilm copies. | Apr 23 05:08 |
| oiaohm | twitter: because good mirofilm readers work without power and mirofilm is compact. | Apr 23 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Also mirofilm cannot get computer viruses or other computer problems. twitter | Apr 23 05:10 |
| oiaohm | 1 filing cabnet of mirofilm can store more books than most libraries have in paper form. | Apr 23 05:11 |
| oiaohm | twitter: a objective should be the 1 page limit. How many pages of a book can be fited onto a single page that can be read by a mobile phone or something else. | Apr 23 05:20 |
| Microfilm is compact but heavy and fragile. It is only a small improvement on paper as far as transport and copy go. | Apr 23 05:20 | |
| digital media kicks ass | Apr 23 05:20 | |
| oiaohm | digital media has downsides as well. | Apr 23 05:21 |
| distribution and copy preserves media and makes it more available than anything else | Apr 23 05:21 | |
| oiaohm | Its like the old bandwidth arguement. | Apr 23 05:21 |
| try running away from a hurricane or earth quake with a file cabinet full of film | Apr 23 05:21 | |
| oiaohm | What is the fastest bandwidth of data transfer you can get. | Apr 23 05:21 |
| oiaohm | Basically don't underestmate that truck traviling down the road full of harddrives. | Apr 23 05:22 |
| Napster was good example of how efficient distributed libraries could be. That was back in 1990's with dail up | Apr 23 05:22 | |
| oiaohm | Problem is for volume physical transport is very good. | Apr 23 05:22 |
| oiaohm | flash media harddrives and so on is not that great. | Apr 23 05:23 |
| oiaohm | Safety of storage in harddrives and flash are being dropped for capacity. twitter | Apr 23 05:24 |
| all of my pictures, email, important records, music fit on a single 2.5 inch drive. Newer ones can take my movies too. | Apr 23 05:24 | |
| oiaohm | Mirofilm due to its compaction and after you have made master you can make duplicates. | Apr 23 05:24 |
| I make copies of my books as I can. | Apr 23 05:24 | |
| the only good thing about microfilm is that it can be digitized easily | Apr 23 05:25 | |
| the bad thing about microfilm is low quality | Apr 23 05:25 | |
| oiaohm | And it not ruined just because interface terminal got infected or other wise hard. | Apr 23 05:25 |
| quit thinking like a windows user | Apr 23 05:26 | |
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| once you have that first digital copy, you can easily make others | Apr 23 05:26 | |
| oiaohm | twitter: don't worry I have found apple and the odd Linux worm. | Apr 23 05:26 |
| and you don't have to leave them plugged in | Apr 23 05:26 | |
| yes, ohm, you always tell me that gnu/linux is doomed to Windows like problems | Apr 23 05:27 | |
| oiaohm | Linux is not doomed to the same level of problem. | Apr 23 05:27 |
| oiaohm | I never say that. | Apr 23 05:27 |
| oiaohm | Linux does get a small percentage of issues. | Apr 23 05:27 |
| oiaohm | That is not avoidable. | Apr 23 05:27 |
| oiaohm | The ammout windows gets is what happens when secuirty is done badly. | Apr 23 05:28 |
| or not at all | Apr 23 05:28 | |
| oiaohm | Real world we have just except Linux will get some. | Apr 23 05:28 |
| in the dark by anti-social software owners | Apr 23 05:28 | |
| oiaohm | It should be nothing like the numbers we see from MS. | Apr 23 05:28 |
| oiaohm | Really something that can be camara scanned into reader. | Apr 23 05:29 |
| oiaohm | So its a one way transfer. | Apr 23 05:29 |
| oiaohm | This means the source location cannot be damaged by the reader. | Apr 23 05:29 |
| oiaohm | So passing the rules of great achiving. | Apr 23 05:30 |
| oiaohm | But the challange is somehow making that work. | Apr 23 05:30 |
| gn | Apr 23 05:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell @SenatorDurbin: Don't put #SocialSecurity on the chopping block. http://bit.ly/dLeV6M | Apr 23 05:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] We May Have Unbundled The Music... But We've Smartly Bundled The Music Experience - http://bit.ly/dTLXUx great post #scarcity | Apr 23 06:51 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/RealHPT/statuses/61599091985100800 | Apr 23 07:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @RealHPT: @schestowitz Microsoft Evangelism, eh? http://ur1.ca/3ia92 "Working behind the scenes to orchestrate "independent" praise of our technology" | Apr 23 07:36 |
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| schestowitz | said in response to what was done on zdnet | Apr 23 07:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/wayneborean/statuses/61585479270801408 http://identi.ca/notice/71724722 | Apr 23 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @wayneborean: RT @schestowitz: ♻ @bgiltrap: @jackschofield @schestowitz http://is.gd/nG14zX | Apr 23 07:43 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 100 million downloads on 2011-04-23 07:07 UTC | Apr 23 08:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ES: Bill Gates Paga a Más Medios de Comunicación, Incluyendo el #GrupoTelevisa http://is.gd/LWEMkl #billgates #pr #advertising #spin | Apr 23 08:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @ghostler Yes, this is how they take respected people and try to paint them as "k00ks" | Apr 23 08:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] What is it about #Pino on #F15 with #Gnome3. Why can't I send it to the tray area ? what could I use as an alternative to Pino | Apr 23 08:15 | |
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| MadRobot | Hi all | Apr 23 08:31 |
| MadRobot | schestowitz, hey there | Apr 23 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Hi buddy | Apr 23 08:32 |
| schestowitz | How are you? Long time... | Apr 23 08:32 |
| MadRobot | yeah | Apr 23 08:33 |
| MadRobot | I'm great | Apr 23 08:33 |
| MadRobot | okay, may there's something that I'm missing. | Apr 23 08:33 |
| MadRobot | but, how is WebOS proprietary? | Apr 23 08:33 |
| MadRobot | Isn't it running on the Linux kernel? | Apr 23 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes, well... it's tricky | Apr 23 08:34 |
| schestowitz | It also uses other free software bits | Apr 23 08:34 |
| schestowitz | But the OS as a whole is proprietary like PalmOS | Apr 23 08:34 |
| MadRobot | Weird. | Apr 23 08:34 |
| schestowitz | CObalt | Apr 23 08:34 |
| schestowitz | !google cobalt | Apr 23 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Cobalt Boats - Compromise Nothing | http://www.cobaltboats.com/ | Apr 23 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Cobalt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt | Apr 23 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Cobalt | Automotive marketing services | http://www.cobaltgroup.com/ | Apr 23 08:34 |
| MadRobot | And no law suits are running regarding that? | Apr 23 08:35 |
| schestowitz | No | Apr 23 08:38 |
| schestowitz | TomTom is the sam | Apr 23 08:38 |
| schestowitz | *Same | Apr 23 08:39 |
| MadRobot | I see | Apr 23 08:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: something in the server does not permit pages to be served | Apr 23 08:39 |
| schestowitz | http://techbytes.techrights.org | Apr 23 08:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TechBytes - Techrights .::. Size~: 14.85 KB | Apr 23 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Odd | Apr 23 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's just me then | Apr 23 08:40 |
| schestowitz | I'll retry stuff | Apr 23 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Hm... it was a browser error | Apr 23 08:42 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: never mind, my side was in error | Apr 23 08:43 |
| schestowitz | MadRobot: any reason for asking this? | Apr 23 08:43 |
| MadRobot | schestowitz, it's just that I was checking HP.com for the latest stuff they are offering and I found WebOS. | Apr 23 08:45 |
| MadRobot | I was surprised when I found that it's proprietary despite the fact that it runs of free software. | Apr 23 08:46 |
| MadRobot | Maybe it's more complicated than that, but I'm also surprised that no serious legal actions have been taken by the FSF regarding that. | Apr 23 08:47 |
| schestowitz | I got flack (as usual) for pointing this out to them | Apr 23 08:50 |
| schestowitz | I am not a contrarian or controversialist | Apr 23 08:50 |
| schestowitz | But just saying the truth led some of their shills to attacking my point | Apr 23 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Implying I was dumb or something for telling them the truth about webOS | Apr 23 08:51 |
| schestowitz | webOS also used to spy on its users, at least the pre deployment of the s/w | Apr 23 08:51 |
| MadRobot | led some who's shills? The FSF you mean? | Apr 23 08:51 |
| schestowitz | If in doubt, ask @bkuhn in identi.ca about the situation w/ Palm | Apr 23 08:52 |
| schestowitz | The good news is, HP will put Linux in WebOS form on lots of devices | Apr 23 08:52 |
| schestowitz | I though Leo would put the kibosh on that | Apr 23 08:52 |
| schestowitz | *thought | Apr 23 08:52 |
| MadRobot | I also checked Dell. | Apr 23 08:52 |
| schestowitz | HP employs like 4 times more staff (full-time) than Microsoft, they can have the same impact as IBM for Linux | Apr 23 08:53 |
| schestowitz | And IIRC they've just joined OIN | Apr 23 08:53 |
| schestowitz | Giving lots of patents to this Linux defence pool | Apr 23 08:53 |
| schestowitz | HP is getting reformed | Apr 23 08:53 |
| schestowitz | Some years ago they still did some FOSS-hostile things like OOXML lobby and Silver Lie | Apr 23 08:53 |
| MadRobot | While their specs are incredible, their obnoxiously poor Linux support lead me back to System76 | Apr 23 08:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Not much time for !minecraft today :( I'm out on a picnic with family and all being well a !techbytes episode tonight. | Apr 23 08:58 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Possible_TechBytes_Guests | Apr 23 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/TechBytes | Apr 23 09:07 |
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| schestowitz | Just updated | Apr 23 09:07 |
| schestowitz | MadRobot: would you be interested in coming to a future show? | Apr 23 09:07 |
| schestowitz | We ought to manage to do SIP video in the next episode. If the cameras from all sides work simultaneously, great! If not, then too we can get something captured in video. | Apr 23 09:07 |
| schestowitz | MadRobot: yes, Dell is not best for Linux-running PCs, they stock Intel | Apr 23 09:07 |
| MadRobot | Even System76 does | Apr 23 09:08 |
| MadRobot | brb | Apr 23 09:08 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: really HP joining OIN is kinda a sign of something bad coming. HP and IBM historically don't overlap opensource projects. | Apr 23 09:12 |
| schestowitz | I've finally managed to add a link to techbytes in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page it's a dodgy wiki page which usually breaks when it's edited | Apr 23 09:13 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: android or webos? | Apr 23 09:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Nokia/Microsoft patent tag-team | Apr 23 09:13 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: HP is normally not a passive player. | Apr 23 09:22 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Basically we need to keep a eye on what HP is upto. Might be interesting. | Apr 23 09:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] playing with the #fedora live #gnome3 cd on the netbook | Apr 23 09:23 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: OIN is an IBM thing, originally | Apr 23 09:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Canonical Design Blog: Unity Benchmark Usability – April 2011 http://bit.ly/eqtcEp | Apr 23 09:26 | |
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| MadRobot | I'm triying to find the best (most high-tech) desktop PC specs available out there that are Linux/FOSS-friendly. | Apr 23 09:31 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: OIN being ibm thing now HP being friendly to it. The question is why on HP part. Something will normally happen to explain why. | Apr 23 09:33 |
| oiaohm | MadRobot: Normally delete desktop replace with word workstation and you find it. | Apr 23 09:34 |
| MadRobot | oiaohm, I see. | Apr 23 09:34 |
| MadRobot | Thanks. :) | Apr 23 09:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: !google linux.com sco perens hp memo | Apr 23 09:36 |
| schestowitz | !google linux.com sco perens hp memo | Apr 23 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft's 2002 Plan to Sue Apache | http://technocrat.net/d/2008/7/25/46613/ | Apr 23 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Crimes Microsoft Gets Away With - So Far | http://technocrat.net/d/2008/7/30/46981/ | Apr 23 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft Dons Sheep Suit, Joins Open Source Foundation ... | http://www.webmonkey.com/2008/07/microsoft_dons_sheep-suit__joins_open_source_foundation/ | Apr 23 09:36 |
| oiaohm | http://www.hp.com/support/linux_hardware_matrix MadRobot HP list. | Apr 23 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type | Apr 23 09:37 |
| oiaohm | MadRobot: stupid point is the difference between a workstation and a desktop is that a workstation might have multiable processor chips. | Apr 23 09:38 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: yes historically HP is a shark. Joining oin basically folds one set of cards. But I cannot see HP giving up sueing game. | Apr 23 09:41 |
| MadRobot | I see | Apr 23 09:41 |
| oiaohm | MadRobot: basically most companies don't sell Linux desktops. They sell Linux workstations because that is what Linux is. A station to perform work. | Apr 23 09:42 |
| MadRobot | oh, okay | Apr 23 09:43 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] judging by a short time in live mode, I think I could get quite used to #Gnome3 at least for the netbook, it is very different though | Apr 23 09:48 | |
| schestowitz | Fox is insane http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5SzXYi2ZyY | Apr 23 09:53 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] very early 1st impressions, I'd rather move to gnome3 than unity, from gnome2, I do need to live with them for a while to get a proper idea | Apr 23 09:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @bobobex: @jargon A girl has got to be careful & protect herself! :D | Apr 23 10:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Sony confirms Playstation Network got hacked http://ur1.ca/3ymci #anonymous | Apr 23 10:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jezra: @ultraturquoise I'm not saying you should judge a man by his sideburns, but I think you should judge him by his sideburns | Apr 23 10:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @bobobex: @jezra Agreed - real men have sideburns! cc @corenominal | Apr 23 10:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I'm glad I've never dated @bobobex's daughter. Sounds like an impossible quest.... :) | Apr 23 10:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it's worth noting that's the 1st time I've been impressed with #fedora too, & a little surprised the gnome3 youtube vids worked ootb | Apr 23 10:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh methinks @cosmicemma & @bobobex have different definitions of "messing with", one's positive, the other's negative ;P | Apr 23 10:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Another service caves: Time for the world to drop DropBox http://is.gd/hidDhK | Apr 23 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yay! The Bruins won! :D !NHL | Apr 23 10:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow. Consol Energy Center just looks amazing during a whiteout! !Pens !NHL http://ur1.ca/3ymot | Apr 23 10:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just had to reinstall !mustard as it stopped working for some reason. | Apr 23 10:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] ♻ @fabsh @bobobex #Oggcamp peeps won't mess with her, they're all running Crunchbang and @corenominal probably has a killswitch. :D | Apr 23 10:38 | |
| schestowitz | Hi, barnieg | Apr 23 10:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] what's the real number of "likes" for Lim Biow Chuan? 23172 or 244 or 14? #sgelection http://ur1.ca/3yn3y http://ur1.ca/3yn43 | Apr 23 11:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bernat/@bernat] Crean un premio al "alarmismo sostenible" del ecologismo catastrofista: http://is.gd/PTCiUl !wikileaks !linux | Apr 23 11:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Google and BarCamp - I dont know whether to laugh or to cry http://tinyurl.com/43hwnm5 #blog | Apr 23 11:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] guys, anybody else uses #Nouveau drivers in !Kubuntu #Natty? any lockups? | Apr 23 11:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Packing stuff. | Apr 23 11:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva what's a deviation? For some !Gpl 3 is a deviation (eg, those who don't care for drm or those who want it) | Apr 23 11:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxoliva seems to me that it would create a very real slippery slope. | Apr 23 11:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow..... love the graphics on Angry Birds Rio! Oo | Apr 23 11:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Sony Should Pay For OtherOS Removal, Says Finnish Board http://is.gd/HoXOwX | Apr 23 12:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Dutch Carriers To Fragment Web, Disregard Customer Privacy http://ow.ly/4FyxL | Apr 23 12:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] computer-face http://ping.fm/hwjxN | Apr 23 12:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @kwadronaut #alteherr in mein zug 'Auch Polizisten sind menschen, irgendwann resignieren die auch!' | Apr 23 12:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @RT_com: Life in Dead Zone: No chance to escape Chernobyl radiation http://bit.ly/dJsvT5 | Apr 23 12:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Cardiff V #QPR is turning out to be a fantastic game, 10mins in, 1 - 1, with 2 brilliant goals | Apr 23 12:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Tools wipe location data from (some) iPhones | InSecurity Complex - CNET News http://ow.ly/4FzdR | Apr 23 13:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Rainy Saturday. Advance Polls are open from 12:00 to 8:00 today, and Monday. Get out and Vote! #elxn41 | Apr 23 13:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] That'd be soooo cool! ♻ @nailuj Why can't it be true? http://forums.linuxoutlaws.com/viewtopic.php?p=58520#p58520 !LO | Apr 23 13:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @xtl So, has the !ps3 #psn gone down for good or what? !fail | Apr 23 13:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] WTF is up with the PSN? DDoS? I'm totally outta the loop.... !ps3 | Apr 23 13:10 | |
| cubezzz | I love this zippy the pinhead quote: | Apr 23 13:14 |
| cubezzz | "Does the battery in your iphone need charging?" | Apr 23 13:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Looks like John Sullivan of Only Fools and horse fame is dead http://ur1.ca/3yphj | Apr 23 13:15 | |
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| cubezzz | "This isn't a real iphone zerbina! It's made of cardboard! That way I don't have to deal with annoying text messages or facebook posts" | Apr 23 13:15 |
| barnieg | hmm interesting approach to open source to businesses: http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2011/04/a-company-helps-bring-openbsd.html | Apr 23 13:16 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Tests Showing Ubuntu 11.04 On A Power Consumption Binge: Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" is set to be released ... http://bit.ly/hKwCRH | Apr 23 13:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Phoronix • The Tests Showing !Ubuntu 11.04 On A Power Consumption Binge http://ping.fm/Kq2Rk | Apr 23 13:30 | |
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| DaemonFC | Does anyone know what folders GNASH and Lightspark need to access? | Apr 23 13:44 |
| *DaemonFC might as well include a section for them | Apr 23 13:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Sony #FAIL Certain downloadable titles require a connection to the #PSN to start up and be played. They are unplayable through this outage. | Apr 23 13:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=c2c44f2641cc71a8f77d887e9f2753eadda07d4c | Apr 23 14:20 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 23 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | Why are they worried about Mesa building on Windows at all? | Apr 23 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, I know it's technically possible to use Mesa/Gallium as your OpenGL implementation on Windows but I don't see anyone jumping to do it | Apr 23 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | they're slow, even on Linux, they only support about half of OpenGL, on Linux, and they are free software, which nobody running Windows cares about | Apr 23 14:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Be careful - there maybe a Higgs Boson in the room: http://is.gd/zB1jai #physics #science #geeklife #fun | Apr 23 14:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | why do they call it a god particle? | Apr 23 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | that implies magic is involved | Apr 23 14:24 |
| *DaemonFC casts God Particle on schestowitz for 12 b + roll dice damage | Apr 23 14:25 | |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 23 14:25 |
| gnufreex | So is it End Of The World yet? | Apr 23 14:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Great video of WikiLeaks mirrors in google earth http://alturl.com/ziy8g | Apr 23 14:51 | |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: mesa on windows is partly related to long term virtualisation plans. | Apr 23 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 23 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | makes sense | Apr 23 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | vmware and all | Apr 23 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Lot of things in open source that appears strange there is common sense. | Apr 23 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Ok sometimes hidden behind the cloud of our own points of view. DaemonFC | Apr 23 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I just couldn't see an end user in Windows wanting Gallium3d as their OpenGL driver | Apr 23 15:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @lostson @fabsh here is one for ya http://goo.gl/Tqgt3 | Apr 23 15:01 | |
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| oiaohm | Exactly your point of view as a user. | Apr 23 15:01 |
| oiaohm | So you were not seeing the point of view of someone virtualising. | Apr 23 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | still, lugging around 11,000+ source lines of code that have been broken for 4 years to support old version of Microsoft Visual Studio? | Apr 23 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's a little much, right? :) | Apr 23 15:02 |
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| DaemonFC | Was it neglect? Were they hoping someone would fix it? If so, why? scons is better and has worked well for a while now | Apr 23 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 23 15:03 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Remember Mesa is in the graphics development tree with X11 servers. | Apr 23 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think some open source projects should be a little more pedantic about what they leave laying around | Apr 23 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | especially if it hasn't even done anything in years | Apr 23 15:04 |
| oiaohm | 11 000 lines of code is nothing compared to the load they were lugging around with X.org and xfree86 | Apr 23 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | X11 is a giant heap of legacy code | Apr 23 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 23 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | about half of it makes no sense at all on any modern hardware | Apr 23 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Remember same crew of developers works on both. | Apr 23 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | and about 2/3rds of it makes no sense at all on a desktop PC | Apr 23 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Localised insanity. | Apr 23 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | I think Wayland is a little extreme | Apr 23 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | why not just gut the horrendously outdated parts of X11 and call it something else? | Apr 23 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Over half of x.org has been deleted through the process of break it if no one complains delette it. | Apr 23 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Wayland is gut x.org to its bones and add in what is required and works. | Apr 23 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | yes, XFree86 was a lot worse | Apr 23 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | it took them forever to get even basic support for new video cards | Apr 23 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Also there are secuirty reasons why wayland has to come. | Apr 23 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | by basic, I mean it works at all | Apr 23 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | a year after it goes on sale | Apr 23 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | that was just awful | Apr 23 15:08 |
| oiaohm | wayland allows applications to be allocated buffers of there own. | Apr 23 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | it was begging to be forked and the license was just the last straw | Apr 23 15:08 |
| oiaohm | And since wayland does no rendering. | Apr 23 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Applications are truly independant to the server displaying them. | Apr 23 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Now they are starting to work out a disconnect and reconnect system for wayland applications. | Apr 23 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | well, I think they could achieve most of their goals by just gutting the shit that makes no sense at all out of the X11 protocol | Apr 23 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Really not. | Apr 23 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | and extending it to be more useful on modern hardware | Apr 23 15:09 |
| oiaohm | X11 is made insane by a design rule error. | Apr 23 15:09 |
| oiaohm | X11 has no limit on the number of type of extentions you are allowed to add | Apr 23 15:10 |
| oiaohm | by protocal. | Apr 23 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | Which is not bad | Apr 23 15:10 |
| oiaohm | It is really. | Apr 23 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | it means technically, we could all be using X 20 years from now on whatever stuff exists then | Apr 23 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | why is extensibility bad? | Apr 23 15:10 |
| oiaohm | What happened in side X11 is in one case there was 20 extentions doing exactly the same thing. | Apr 23 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Also X11 has the idea of server side rendering. | Apr 23 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | which leads to compositors having to find novel ways to bypass it | Apr 23 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes confusing it | Apr 23 15:11 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 15:11 |
| oiaohm | And other worse things. | Apr 23 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically server side rendering for local applications is completely nuts. | Apr 23 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that X has been getting a lot faster and less glitchy ever since X.org forked XFree86 | Apr 23 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Since this means any glitch in server side rendering brings every application down. | Apr 23 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | XFree86 was doing a piss poor job of maintaining X | Apr 23 15:13 |
| oiaohm | X.org has been systematically gutting the server side rendering. | Apr 23 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | and it wasn't really any one thing they were doing wrong | Apr 23 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | it was everything | Apr 23 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Basically the X11 protocal has errors in design. | Apr 23 15:13 |
| oiaohm | wayland fixs the local errors up completely. | Apr 23 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | so the rationale for Wayland is that even though they've gutted a lot of stupid nonsense from X, there are some things about X that can never be fixed | Apr 23 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Apr 23 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly never be fixed. X11 was designed with the idea of thin terminals being served from a centeral server. | Apr 23 15:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Way before 2016 - The Open Party: http://wp.me/pj2fj-qx #sgelection | Apr 23 15:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning !identiverse | Apr 23 15:15 | |
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| oiaohm | But when that was designed encryption and other things for secuirty were not required either. | Apr 23 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Basically X11 is old. | Apr 23 15:15 |
| oiaohm | It shows is age badly. | Apr 23 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that as they've gutted old legacy code that Nvidia and AMD were using for speed cheats, the proprietary drivers have gotten a bit slower | Apr 23 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | but much more stable | Apr 23 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | so basically, X.org has gotten AMD/Nvidias "hands out of the cookie jar" | Apr 23 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | it seems | Apr 23 15:16 |
| oiaohm | And it might be simple to create a new system by wayland then fix up X11 to work locally correctly. | Apr 23 15:16 |
| oiaohm | The current plan is wayland with X11 client interface running on top. | Apr 23 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes server-side rendering is useful | Apr 23 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | just not for local displays | Apr 23 15:17 |
| oiaohm | X11 client interface runs per application. | Apr 23 15:17 |
| oiaohm | So a rendering screw should not take out everything. | Apr 23 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Also we are getting like what X11 use to provide with HTML5 DaemonFC | Apr 23 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Html 5 most likely will be saner. | Apr 23 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't know this but X11 has 3 clipboards for cut and paste. DaemonFC | Apr 23 15:19 |
| oiaohm | And not all applications watch all 3 clipboards. | Apr 23 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | eww | Apr 23 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes X11 is extention overloaded in completely insane ways. | Apr 23 15:19 |
| oiaohm | So most of us who know its internals will be very happy to see it gone for good. | Apr 23 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | I notice a lot of their release notes are about what they removed lately | Apr 23 15:21 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: The 3 clipboards come about from the fact the first version of X11 the idea of cut and paste did not exist yet. | Apr 23 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | didn't the UNIX Haters Handbook call X11 the first truly modular disaster? | Apr 23 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 15:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @Anony_Ops: PlayStation Network Hacked, Information leaked! http://bit.ly/hJ4FiR ... and we didn't do it! #OpSony | Apr 23 15:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @imslp: Rachmaninoff = c. $50 million golden goose, drops out of copyright in EU in 2014 = glum faces at Rach estate: http://is.gd/sAs6DS | Apr 23 15:26 | |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: He was right. | Apr 23 15:30 |
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| oiaohm | DaemonFC: No one has disputed it. Problem is every system designed to kill off X11 never got support from companies like Nvidia | Apr 23 15:30 |
| oiaohm | So Linux and Unix world has been stuck with X11 mostly against the majoritys will. | Apr 23 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | of course | Apr 23 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | it costs money to write new drivers | Apr 23 15:31 |
| oiaohm | And Linux is reaching a critical mass | Apr 23 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | it costs very little to tweak the existing stack now and then | Apr 23 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Where it now can go its own paths. | Apr 23 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Some of them maybe shocking to the status quo long term. | Apr 23 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | the open source driver stack needs to improve a lot | Apr 23 15:32 |
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| DaemonFC | of course some of their problems are actually caused by running with X | Apr 23 15:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Canadian Pirate Party to offer VPN to all Canadians. Nice. http://ur1.ca/3yruk #sgelection | Apr 23 15:33 | |
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| oiaohm | Go back 8 years and try to find developers really working on the open soruce driver stack for X11 at all. | Apr 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | X never gets along with any compositor | Apr 23 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | on any driver | Apr 23 15:33 |
| oiaohm | That is why wayland was created. | Apr 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | making compositing mandatory right now is stupid | Apr 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | wayland makes it mandatory in a sane way. | Apr 23 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | because you're forcing the user to deal with bugs and they can't shut down the compositor to appease X | Apr 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | compiz and others not done like wayland are insane. | Apr 23 15:34 |
| oiaohm | compiz is basically pray that something does not use a extnetion that alters video memory that compiz does not know about. | Apr 23 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | KWin is the same way | Apr 23 15:36 |
| oiaohm | KWin is planing to go wayland path. | Apr 23 15:36 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Have you looked at the latest wiki edits? | Apr 23 15:36 |
| GoForbes28 | :) | Apr 23 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Hi | Apr 23 15:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Transgendered woman beaten in McDonalds for using woman's restroom - http://is.gd/kxuBqs #lgbt #lgbtrights #hatecrimes | Apr 23 15:36 | |
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| schestowitz | Hold on, finishing something | Apr 23 15:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wayneborean It's beautiful. I got the final proof yesterday and visually it is gorgeous. The new free fonts are *much* better !selfpub | Apr 23 15:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] A very reasonable request by the SDP's James Gomez - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeuuBX4wlSg #sgelection | Apr 23 15:40 | |
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| schestowitz | [15:12] <oiaohm> Since this means any glitch in server side rendering brings every application down. | Apr 23 15:41 |
| schestowitz | That's very rare | Apr 23 15:41 |
| schestowitz | Happened when I used old version of X locally | Apr 23 15:41 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Most modern applications for X11 avoid server side rendering. | Apr 23 15:42 |
| cubezzz | how old is old? | Apr 23 15:42 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: You can still cause it to happen in some of the server side renderign code nothing is using. | Apr 23 15:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wayneborean So now I just need to give it a read it through, *and* get the blog finished *and* the ebook formatting and unfortunately... | Apr 23 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wayneborean ... there's !elxn41 on, so I've been working on an Oh !Canada post that's gotten out of hand and I think will be three. | Apr 23 15:45 | |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: thanks for removing spam and sure, we can have you on the show too | Apr 23 15:45 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's opengl that can cause crashs | Apr 23 15:47 |
| schestowitz | opengl over server, I think, but only if I used different versions of X, years apart | Apr 23 15:47 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Font rendering server side with dead fonts use to do it very often. schestowitz | Apr 23 15:48 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: There are a few other features like that still existing. | Apr 23 15:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wayneborean No, I'll vote on the day. My family has two new voters... I have to get my scanner working to scan ID to get son on voter list | Apr 23 15:50 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Opengl also tracks to bad memory tracking on video cards. | Apr 23 15:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms : the art log folks slip in a post. http://bit.ly/i5v5R2 #Chevenga #weblit #scifi #reading | Apr 23 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] finally got around to push some code and language files online. | Apr 23 15:53 | |
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| GoForbes28 | gtg have breakfast now, bbl | Apr 23 15:55 |
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| DaemonFC | OpenGL is not optimal, but what is? | Apr 23 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | DirectX? Hah | Apr 23 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | there's obviously some people trying to get DirectX as a state tracker for Gallium, I don't think it's better than OpenGL and it is owned by a company that is hostile to free software | Apr 23 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | Gallium doesn't need either of them | Apr 23 15:59 |
| oiaohm | There are on going disputes. | Apr 23 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | it can accelerate any API that is built around modern GPUs | Apr 23 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Gallium may have to be scrapped yet. | Apr 23 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | not for Classic Mesa | Apr 23 16:00 |
| oiaohm | for the simple fact the video card systems embed developers use were not considered in its design. DaemonFC | Apr 23 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | that is a big hairy mess | Apr 23 16:00 |
| oiaohm | embed video cards are strange. | Apr 23 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Bits from AMD bits from INTEL bits from VIA and Bits from Nvidia | Apr 23 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | integrated GPUs have never worked like the documentation says they should | Apr 23 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Rolled into 1 off card. | Apr 23 16:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wayneborean It's a cute idea but we were eating cake overages from my niece's cake for a week. It's okay though, he's politically aware. | Apr 23 16:01 | |
| DaemonFC | tell people to get better hardware or direct bitching to AMD/Intel/Nvidia | Apr 23 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Now that brings a new set of evil. | Apr 23 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Embed mixes and matches. | Apr 23 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | laptops are a problem | Apr 23 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | because you can't replace the integrated chipset with a real GPU | Apr 23 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | laptop GPUs can wind up being....They need a special driver, that was only released for the version of Windows they shipped with, was never upgraded, and the unified bundle from Nvidia and ATI don't work | Apr 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Linux? hah! | Apr 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'm thinking HP/Compaq mostly | Apr 23 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | they love doing that | Apr 23 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | then in my case they slapped a Vista Capable sticker on it | Apr 23 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | and never updated the driver for Vista | Apr 23 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | sure it's Vista Capable, if you don't mind not having Aero, using an XP driver that crashes the system a lot | Apr 23 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | and oh btw, your laptop runs at like 1 million degrees and the fan is on constantly | Apr 23 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | hope you're not running on a battery | Apr 23 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | Vista Capable | Apr 23 16:08 |
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| oiaohm | Yep the real world not MS stories suxs. | Apr 23 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | Vista kept getting delayed and nobody wanted to buy a PC with XP on it just to turn around and buy Vista | Apr 23 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | so Microsoft and OEMs started slapping Vista Capable stickers on things that couldn't run Vista at all | Apr 23 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | and promising free Vista Basic discs for them | Apr 23 16:13 |
| oiaohm | Linux is a battler that MS cannot destroy. | Apr 23 16:13 |
| oiaohm | Not matter what MS has tried. | Apr 23 16:13 |
| oiaohm | Linux always comes back. Normally stronger. | Apr 23 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=5b5a16e3203379d7a54d4657df7c1357d14df058 | Apr 23 16:15 |
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| DaemonFC | hah | Apr 23 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | GCC was probably already seeing that and deinlining them automatically | Apr 23 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | not sure if Clang would, but I doubt it | Apr 23 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | (Can Clang build Mesa?) | Apr 23 16:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Know the truth behind जन गण मन Song http://tinyurl.com/3ce7z9b I feel shame on singing it now. | Apr 23 16:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | GCC's optimization logic spots stupid things like this and corrects it before spitting out object code | Apr 23 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | it didn't used to | Apr 23 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | but it's better lately | Apr 23 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Really it had the code todo that for ages. | Apr 23 16:17 |
| oiaohm | But you had to run with the -combine flag on. | Apr 23 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | GCC 4.3 and later do it by default | Apr 23 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | unless you opt out | Apr 23 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | iirc | Apr 23 16:18 |
| oiaohm | The code was in gcc in 3.x.x series. | Apr 23 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Yes thank god for code clean up in gcc. | Apr 23 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | Opera got a massive speed boost when they ditched GCC 3 and started using 4.4 | Apr 23 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | that was the only change between test builds at one point | Apr 23 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | and it started getting massive gains on things like Sunspider | Apr 23 16:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Flowers in the garden at Balaton. http://ur1.ca/3ysm4 | Apr 23 16:20 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.blendernation.com/2011/04/23/brecht-returns-to-blender-institute-works-on-new-renderer Ok this is wow and I really do mean WoW. | Apr 23 16:24 |
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| oiaohm | Blender internal engine starting to get some serous speed alterations. | Apr 23 16:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !Fedora #FAmSCo meeting minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-23/famsco.2011-04-23-14.14.html | Apr 23 16:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell Congress: Tax millionaires and billionaires rather than shred the social safety net. http://bit.ly/eHFzhw | Apr 23 16:33 | |
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| Ender2070 | gnome 3 doesnt like virtualbox | Apr 23 17:00 |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Got any idea why glxgears segfaults lately? | Apr 23 17:03 |
| Ender2070 | gnome 3 doesnt like virtualbox | Apr 23 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | eww, GNOME 3 | Apr 23 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | yuck | Apr 23 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | icky | Apr 23 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | bad | Apr 23 17:03 |
| Ender2070 | I wanted to check it out | Apr 23 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | burn a new coaster | Apr 23 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 17:03 |
| Ender2070 | im also checking out ubuntu 11.04 beta to see what unity is like | Apr 23 17:03 |
| Ender2070 | no coasters needed | Apr 23 17:04 |
| Ender2070 | virtualbox will load the iso files | Apr 23 17:04 |
| Ender2070 | my quad core laughs at the load | Apr 23 17:04 |
| Ender2070 | two linux's running at the same time still uses less resources than windows once | Apr 23 17:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Jingle just heard on radio 6 "The weather is sponsored by Al Qaeda we will crush western civilisation" ? | Apr 23 17:05 | |
| Ender2070 | I have a vm for every distro | Apr 23 17:05 |
| Ender2070 | the only distro to ship chromium as part of its install is Jolicloud | Apr 23 17:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | not true | Apr 23 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | android ships chrome | Apr 23 17:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohoohohohoh | Apr 23 17:07 |
| Ender2070 | chrome != chromium | Apr 23 17:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | specifically chromium? | Apr 23 17:08 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Apr 23 17:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | meego has a chromium version, instead of chrome | Apr 23 17:08 |
| Ender2070 | i dont use chrome | Apr 23 17:08 |
| Ender2070 | meego still requires I install it | Apr 23 17:08 |
| Ender2070 | I can get chromium for fedora, ubuntu, opensuse and slackware as seperate installs | Apr 23 17:09 |
| Ender2070 | opensuse has a one click, ubuntu has a ppa and fedora has a yum repo | Apr 23 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | but who actually gives a shit | Apr 23 17:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a fucking browser | Apr 23 17:09 |
| Ender2070 | I do | Apr 23 17:09 |
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| Ender2070 | I make my own fedora iso to get it | Apr 23 17:10 |
| Ender2070 | its not a big deal | Apr 23 17:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #Libya . By sending senior military advisers the west has moved from fighting with a side in a civil war to organising the war for them. | Apr 23 17:11 | |
| Ender2070 | everyone wants their prefered apps bundled | Apr 23 17:12 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] MUST READ: Larry Russwurm: "Don’t Be Sheeple to the Pollsters" http://ur1.ca/3ytnd !elxn41 !fed2011 !canada !cdnpoli #polls #NOThumour | Apr 23 17:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "pirates were bands of volunteers who democratically elected their captains" - http://bit.ly/gy72L6 more bad news for content industries... | Apr 23 17:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How Copyright Law Makes Sample-Based Music Impossibly Expensive.. If You Want To Do It Legally - http://bit.ly/e1gCJ0 shurely shome mistake? | Apr 23 17:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Sony should pay €100 to man for OtherOS removal, Finnish consumer board says - http://bit.ly/g8z6VD subtracting value (v @limbclock) | Apr 23 17:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Google Censors Alternate Domain of Seized Streaming Site, By Mistake - http://bit.ly/hbHyvL er, about that "don't be evil": *do* try harder | Apr 23 17:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Berbers in Libya - http://bit.ly/ffGO8s fascinating background on this Afro-Asiatic language group | Apr 23 17:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #ElBaradei suggests #war crimes probe of #Bush team http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_elbaradei_memoir #Iraq #WMD's = lie | Apr 23 17:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Confessions Of a BitTorrent Pirate Chasing Lawyer - http://bit.ly/eQUb90 not entirely sure why he's required in the ecosystem... | Apr 23 17:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I'm reading Julius Caesar: Man, Soldier, and Tyrant by JFC Fuller. Fascinating how Roman #republic wasn't that diff from our demockracy. | Apr 23 17:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Of Black Robes, Panda’s Thumbs and Legal Anachronisms - http://bit.ly/gae6Gd great post: how developing countries were led astray | Apr 23 18:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Great video of WikiLeaks mirrors in google earth http://youtube.com/watch?v=26xsWTNYPxg http://bit.ly/guFaXb | Apr 23 18:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Cable: Ambassador fasts for nuclear fuel deal http://wikileaks.ch/cable/2008/04/08NEWDELHI938.html http://bit.ly/eGtBlG | Apr 23 18:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Homeless #woman arrested for using false address to enroll son in higher-income #school district http://ur1.ca/3yv31 #sad | Apr 23 18:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] after solving my lockups problem (overheating), the !u #natty #nouveau drivers are pure awesome! after 8yrs I FINALY have hibernate/suspend! | Apr 23 18:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Weakness in 3-D desktop effects in #KDE4 http://is.gd/LXQ0wZ #kde #gnu #linux | Apr 23 18:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sony should pay €100 to man for OtherOS removal, consumer board says http://is.gd/J5uCyg #excellent for #gnu #linux and bad for #SCOny | Apr 23 18:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Fuck. | Apr 23 18:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Got access to Tesla GPU this month, operated via SSH with #KDE http://is.gd/MGxujg | Apr 23 18:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] CUDA/Tesla ( http://is.gd/ubw7Wt )*very* fast, running fine with #GNU #Linux (Ubuntu 10.10, but blobs only). Blobs are not good for business | Apr 23 18:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] The last "instrument" http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110423 #sip_and_click | Apr 23 18:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Military faces challenge to #medical malpractice shield http://ur1.ca/3yvh2 | Apr 23 18:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Obama speaks on Manning and the rule of law | Greenwald http://is.gd/Qjux4W | Apr 23 19:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] note to self: when coding a site with a rss/atom feed, put the feed in your feed reader so you know when the feed is borked | Apr 23 19:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Interview with PJ Crowley who resigned over Manning's abuse http://is.gd/ANByP3 | Apr 23 19:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Obama speaks on Manning and the rule of law | Greenwald http://is.gd/Qjux4W http://bit.ly/f6URER | Apr 23 19:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Interview with PJ Crowley who resigned over Manning's abuse http://is.gd/ANByP3 http://bit.ly/gfj7A1 | Apr 23 19:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #KDM In #KDE SC 4.7 To Play With #GRUB2 http://is.gd/Owa8l5 | Apr 23 19:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Humble Indie Bundle's Source Releases http://is.gd/jUgJCT #games #linux - also see http://is.gd/iap0KU | Apr 23 19:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Trine is the only game in that bundle that even works with r600g | Apr 23 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | and not real well | Apr 23 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX blows past it | Apr 23 19:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Canonical: The Tablet Will Never Surpass The PC http://is.gd/YrCEII but a #tablet /is/ a PC, just not a desktop, sure... #ubuntu #gnu | Apr 23 19:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 101 million downloads on 2011-04-23 18:42 UTC | Apr 23 19:45 | |
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| I noticed the Slashdot story that covered Google's loss to Bedrock was actually a Florian submission in disguise. CNet was his mouthpiece but he was not mentioned in the submission pointing to it. I wonder if this is the start of a trend for him. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/263284 | Apr 23 19:45 | |
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| DaemonFC | I don't get why Quake 4 runs on r600g with no problem but a bundle of games that was written for Windows XP and Geforce 4 era hardware doesn't want to work | Apr 23 19:45 |
| don't work on what? | Apr 23 19:46 | |
| DaemonFC | r600g | Apr 23 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | that driver is weird | Apr 23 19:46 |
| gnu/linux? | Apr 23 19:46 | |
| DaemonFC | some things I figured wouldn't work at all run great | Apr 23 19:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Canonical did not shut down Sounder http://is.gd/7Q6UkA #fud #disinformation #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Apr 23 19:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | and some things that should be a piece of cake, don't work | Apr 23 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | twitter, r600g = Gallium3d driver for RadeonHD 4000 series and up | Apr 23 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | errr | Apr 23 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | 3000 series | Apr 23 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | basically, it's not very optimized | Apr 23 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | the best driver for Gallium is r300g, for really old Radeons | Apr 23 19:48 |
| If the game was written for Windows, it is a miracle it works at all. | Apr 23 19:48 | |
| DaemonFC | they were all ported to Linux | Apr 23 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | they were out on Windows, then Mac, now Linux | Apr 23 19:49 |
| Stories like this are why I think fooling with Windows at all is a mistake. The very structure of it is sabotage to all other platforms. | Apr 23 19:49 | |
| DaemonFC | the Linux port of Trine is pretty new | Apr 23 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | Windows has it in 2009 | Apr 23 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | and Linux got it, last week :) | Apr 23 19:49 |
| People who talk to Microsoft are always spun in the wrong direction. | Apr 23 19:49 | |
| DaemonFC | well, no, they could have made it more portable | Apr 23 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | jsut by targeting things like OpenGL to begin with | Apr 23 19:50 |
| Well, sure, but what do you think Microsoft people will tell you to do? | Apr 23 19:50 | |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL works well on Windows | Apr 23 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's just that Windows itself doesn't support it | Apr 23 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | but every video driver stack installs its own OpenGL driver | Apr 23 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | you have a situation that's not unlike Linux | Apr 23 19:51 |
| and might actively sabotage it in the future, like they sabotaged Intel graphics | Apr 23 19:51 | |
| DaemonFC | Mesa is not really up to snuff | Apr 23 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | so it's on the user to get a driver with a full OpenGL stack | Apr 23 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | and every vendor's stack has different bugs | Apr 23 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 23 19:51 |
| Microsoft is systemic poison. | Apr 23 19:52 | |
| DaemonFC | meh | Apr 23 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | the OpenGL ICDs from Nvidia and AMD have worked fine on every version of Windows I've used them on | Apr 23 19:53 |
| http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/183403 | Apr 23 19:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's just that Microsoft does arm twisting to get game developers locked in to DirectX instead | Apr 23 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | and now browsers, like Firefox | Apr 23 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla is basically a branch of Microsoft | Apr 23 19:53 |
| Mozilla fools with Direct X? What a waste of time. | Apr 23 19:53 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the WIndows version uses DirectX | Apr 23 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | instead of OpenGL | Apr 23 19:54 |
| I would not call Mozilla a branch of Microsoft but you can see how any contact brings more of the same. | Apr 23 19:54 | |
| DaemonFC | if they used OpenGL, they would have one backend that worked on every Windows version | Apr 23 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | instead, they have two backends | Apr 23 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | one for Vista/7 and one for 2000/XP | Apr 23 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is pretty backwards even on Windows | Apr 23 19:55 |
| working on Windows at all is a waste of time. | Apr 23 19:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] blogged: Oh !Canada "Voter Apathy?" http://ur1.ca/3ywkt !elxn41 !fed2011 !canada !cdnpoli #polls !ppoc !gpc !ndp !cpc !lpc #deMOCKracy | Apr 23 19:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | Opera manages to write a browser with consistency between platforms | Apr 23 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | with comparable performance | Apr 23 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | and identical features | Apr 23 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | why can't Mozilla? | Apr 23 19:55 |
| if what you say is true, it's because they are too busy wasting time with Microsoft's second rate tech. | Apr 23 19:56 | |
| DaemonFC | Opera won't be using Microsoft APIs for hardware acceleration on Windows, they will use OpenGL | Apr 23 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | Why can't Mozilla? | Apr 23 19:56 |
| sounds like someone trusted Microsoft, that's why. | Apr 23 19:56 | |
| DaemonFC | it's sad that Opera, which is proprietary software, makes a better Linux browser than Firefox, which is free software | Apr 23 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's a shame | Apr 23 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately even with over a dozen browsers to choose from on Linux, I use Opera, because nothing else really comes close | Apr 23 19:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mahnen? Versöhnen? Dynamit! - http://bit.ly/hFvOKL sad: #Erdogan has now lost the respect I had for him #turkey #armenia #genocide | Apr 23 19:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | or if it does, it's a major security nightmare, like Chromium | Apr 23 19:58 |
| why do you say Chromium is a "security nightmare"? | Apr 23 19:59 | |
| DaemonFC | because the sandbox helper runs as root | Apr 23 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's really ugly | Apr 23 19:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Model files for a working 3D-printable clock - http://bit.ly/hSzWwn can you hear the tick-tock of the future? #3dprinting | Apr 23 20:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | basically the thing that's supposed to keep you safe has root permissions and it waiting for something to hijack it | Apr 23 20:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Somone has just notified me that someone in Yahoo! seems to be impersonating me by full name. I do not use Yahoo! It's a faker. | Apr 23 20:01 | |
| how do I start a root process as an ordinary user when I run Chromium browser? | Apr 23 20:02 | |
| DaemonFC | because it is a setuid executable | Apr 23 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | it can run as root without notifying you | Apr 23 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | and does | Apr 23 20:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] FOSS marketing is stupid http://is.gd/lhvls9 marketing in general is pretty silly, it's about deception usually | Apr 23 20:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | twitter, I won't be going near Chromium again until they kill their SUID sandbox | Apr 23 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | and replace it with seccomp | Apr 23 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | they have a halfasses seccomp sandbox that they never got around to finishing that has a lot of bugs | Apr 23 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | *halfassed | Apr 23 20:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Amazon’s $23,698,655.93 book about flies - http://bit.ly/f7GWwa nice post about the perils of algorithmic #pricing | Apr 23 20:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Spot the myths, rebut :-) "Why People Choose Windows Over Linux Still" http://is.gd/ViTM03 ppl don't *choose* Windows; OEMs paid to stock it | Apr 23 20:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Kernel comment: Perseverance pays off http://is.gd/09Ztj4 #linux #kernel #programming #success #gpl | Apr 23 20:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kernel comment: Perseverance pays off - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 43.61 KB | Apr 23 20:07 |
| is this what you are worried about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid -> " The presence of setuid executables justifies the fact that the chroot system call is not available to non-root users on Unix. See limitations of chroot for more details." | Apr 23 20:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #KDE : Strength in Abstraction http://is.gd/t2juKe and modularisation | Apr 23 20:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | twitter, Basically the sandbox helper is waiting to be hijacked by something | Apr 23 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's really dumb to be using a dangerous process like that to sandbox a web browser tab | Apr 23 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/janstedehouder/status/61865832854204417 | Apr 23 20:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @janstedehouder: @schestowitz It's a recurring problem, the lines between Canonical and Ubuntu Community aren't clear enough for everyone. | Apr 23 20:23 |
| schestowitz | indeed :-) | Apr 23 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | that's because they don't exist | Apr 23 20:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] monitoring cardiac patients at home via the #cloud - http://bit.ly/gnh5fg fallbacks might be a good idea (v @grifferz @popey @rootwyrm) #aws | Apr 23 20:28 | |
| DaemonFC | Canonical is Ubuntu | Apr 23 20:28 |
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| Ender2070 | DaemonFC - just like I refuse to use firefox because it lacks security | Apr 23 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | Opera has a couple problems, but nothing on the scale of Firefox or Chromium | Apr 23 20:30 |
| Ender2070 | opera has a lot of problems | Apr 23 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | the biggest is the source code not being available | Apr 23 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | that has little to do with security | Apr 23 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | bad source code that also happens to be open doesn't get you anywhere | Apr 23 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | (Firefox) | Apr 23 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | you can't audit opera for security | Apr 23 20:31 |
| Ender2070 | its the same security issue you get with closed drivers | Apr 23 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | you can audit Firefox all you like and they might patch it 10 (or more) years later | Apr 23 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | if you fear closed drivers you should fear a closed browser | Apr 23 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | like they did with XUL being allowed in web pages | Apr 23 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | firefox will allow gtk3 on web pages | Apr 23 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | apparently | Apr 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome has Native Client | Apr 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | that's worse | Apr 23 20:33 |
| Ender2070 | im not convinced it will be done in a secure way | Apr 23 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | depends on what it allows GTK access to | Apr 23 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 20:34 |
| Ender2070 | yeah native client probably has issues too | Apr 23 20:34 |
| Ender2070 | unless sandboxed | Apr 23 20:34 |
| Ender2070 | Qt is getting the v8 javascript engine | Apr 23 20:35 |
| Ender2070 | combine that with webkit | Apr 23 20:35 |
| Ender2070 | konquerer could be pretty good | Apr 23 20:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is the after-show for #RatHoleRadio called #RatArsedRadio? | Apr 23 20:36 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, konqueror can be decent depending on what you want to do with it | Apr 23 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | the html5 video support is broken in qtwebkit though | Apr 23 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | it won't be till after this stuff gets added though | Apr 23 20:37 |
| Ender2070 | by then html5 video will work better | Apr 23 20:38 |
| Ender2070 | hmmm can't run unity in vm either | Apr 23 20:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is laurelrusswurm with 116 dents! | Apr 23 20:46 | |
| so is ping, the question is what harm can be done with the helper -> (12:16:35 PM) DaemonFC: twitter, Basically the sandbox helper is waiting to be hijacked by something | Apr 23 20:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu 11.04 Tiptoes Into #OpenStack http://is.gd/Xf9PuS #server #gnu #linux | Apr 23 20:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] That's a lot of git repositories http://is.gd/DuG8yX millions of them | Apr 23 20:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Peppermint Two Wallpaper Challenge http://is.gd/btzprv @openbytes says it's a great #gnu #linux distro | Apr 23 21:03 | |
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| cybercrime gets personal? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13159668 | Apr 23 21:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Russian software tycoon Kaspersky's son 'missing' .::. Size~: 57.09 KB | Apr 23 21:12 |
| Boston paranoia undiminished http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13159668 | Apr 23 21:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Russian software tycoon Kaspersky's son 'missing' .::. Size~: 57.08 KB | Apr 23 21:17 |
| http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/burlington/2011/04/mass_mall_gunman_was_just_carr.html | Apr 23 21:18 | |
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| confederacy of losers http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/04/18/20110418chicago-hitler-party-smoke-bomb.html | Apr 23 21:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @cancivlib: From the CCLA Rights Watch blog: op-ed - Time to change election law: http://bit.ly/dWss0P #elxn41 | Apr 23 21:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Op-Ed: Time to change election law « CCLA Rights Watch … La veille sur les droits et libertés .::. Size~: 61.96 KB | Apr 23 21:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Bought on impulse - Barbarossa on BluRay at Tesco's.....hopefully get to see it later....looks interesting. | Apr 23 21:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Privacy and Security Fanatic: State Police can suck data out of cell phones in under two minutes http://ow.ly/4FIWY | Apr 23 21:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Idiotic Anti !Linux & !Google Patent Decision | ZDNet http://ping.fm/Ua5xT | Apr 23 22:11 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi _Goblin | Apr 23 22:13 |
| _Goblin | hi mate | Apr 23 22:14 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @PartidoPirataPT: Encontro Pirata - Dia 25 Abril - http://goo.gl/Z7GfV | Apr 23 22:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Gnome 3: Not Ready for Prime Time in !Fedora 15 • by Chris Tyler http://ping.fm/T9moD | Apr 23 22:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Someone steals/finds your iPhoney. Looks at the tracking database you can't turn off. Finds your home. Have an iPhoney, probably $€ too. | Apr 23 22:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Still think there's no problem with iphoney's location tracking? | Apr 23 22:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] So after the allegedly real, but future, death of Matt Smith's !drwho can we assume no more actors will be taking on the role? !lo | Apr 23 22:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] May 4 panel at Columbia on WikiLeaks: http://alturl.com/k2gmy | Apr 23 22:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?47690-Intel-Mesa-Gives-Problems-With-KDE-s-KWin-Again&p=199163&highlight=#post199163 | Apr 23 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Intel Mesa Gives Problems With KDE's KWin, Again .::. Size~: 77.18 KB | Apr 23 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 23 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | it is dumb to say the open radeon drivers are regressing | Apr 23 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | they are progressing | Apr 23 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | just not very quickly :) | Apr 23 22:44 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: 0/ | Apr 23 22:45 |
| _Goblin | :) | Apr 23 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | 6 months ago I couldn't run Sauerbraten, now I can run it at 1920 x 1080 with all the effects at around 40 fps | Apr 23 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | this is clearly a regression :P | Apr 23 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think most people realize how complicated a GPU is. Or GL Shader Language for that matter. | Apr 23 22:46 |
| schestowitz | can we record tomorrow? | Apr 23 22:47 |
| schestowitz | I'm drunk and going out shortly | Apr 23 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Never ceases to amaze me how many people bitch at the radeon developers | Apr 23 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | would they rather there not be a driver for most Radeons out there? | Apr 23 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | (Most Radeons were dropped from FGLRX a while ago) | Apr 23 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | This is what Theo de Raadt was talking about some years ago | Apr 23 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | when he said regardless of whether you care about open source vs. proprietary, the binary drivers will stop supporting you at some point and your hardware is then broken forever | Apr 23 22:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @fontana Evidence of #Obama's childhood views on "intellectual property"? http://ur1.ca/3yzlc | Apr 23 22:56 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: yeah no proble,s | Apr 23 22:57 |
| _Goblin | *problems | Apr 23 22:57 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I ent you 3 mais today | Apr 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | sent | Apr 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | mails | Apr 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I really shouldn't type | Apr 23 22:59 |
| schestowitz | but anywya, did you get em? | Apr 23 22:59 |
| Organophospate residue in US fruits and vegies poisoning children, linked to IQ and working memory problems http://rss.nrdcfeeds.org/~r/switchboard_gsolomon/~3/pumvxjgw4QY/new_studies_show_long-term_har.html | Apr 23 23:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Studies Show Long-Term Harm to Children from Common Pesticides | Gina Solomon's Blog | Switchboard, from NRDC .::. Size~: 31.15 KB | Apr 23 23:01 |
| Feed them organic food. | Apr 23 23:01 | |
| schestowitz | fertility too | Apr 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | There was a recent study | Apr 23 23:03 |
| schestowitz | linking toxins to fertility issue | Apr 23 23:03 |
| Not enough jobs to go around? Now you can compete with your kids who will be paid a "training wage" of $2/hour http://www.alternet.org/story/150709/madness:_right-wingers_are_serious_about_trying_to_undermine_child_labor_laws?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet | Apr 23 23:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Madness: Right-Wingers Are Serious About Trying to Undermine Child Labor Laws | | AlterNet .::. Size~: 105.27 KB | Apr 23 23:06 |
| Some define "child" for low wages as anyone under 20. | Apr 23 23:07 | |
| *Thrae has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) | Apr 23 23:08 | |
| http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/news-and-blogs/campaign-blog/just-released-30k-pages-of-bp-oil-spill-docum/blog/34337?m=approve | Apr 23 23:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Just released: 30k pages of BP oil spill documents. Help us find out what we've got! | Greenpeace USA .::. Size~: 70.49 KB | Apr 23 23:09 |
| *Thrae (~ircuser@generalmx-1-pt.tunnel.tserv13.ash1.ipv6.he.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 23 23:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] maybe #DrWho will be caught up in the #NHS cutbacks and lose his job; Tardis being sent back because they can't afford the payments ;P | Apr 23 23:10 | |
| Ender2070 | its better to have any job vs being murdered by a left winger in a class war | Apr 23 23:12 |
| Ender2070 | lol and the article defines a child as a teenager | Apr 23 23:13 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: sorry....just seen them! | Apr 23 23:13 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I have been out for most of the day | Apr 23 23:14 |
| Ender2070 | I don't agree on the $2 /hr but on the hours of work, that could get them more money | Apr 23 23:14 |
| Ender2070 | for those being limited by that | Apr 23 23:14 |
| Ender2070 | the current student minimum wage in canada is $9.60 | Apr 23 23:16 |
| Ender2070 | so you wont see anyone but students doi | Apr 23 23:16 |
| Ender2070 | ng | Apr 23 23:16 |
| perhaps a teens could earn more money if they could slave longer hours instead of doing their school work, but that's crazy when there's 20% effective unemployment. | Apr 23 23:17 | |
| Ender2070 | doing fast food jobs | Apr 23 23:17 |
| more people might do that work if it payed better | Apr 23 23:17 | |
| Ender2070 | fast food jobs are unskilled jobs | Apr 23 23:17 |
| supply and demand works for labor like anything else | Apr 23 23:17 | |
| Ender2070 | why would mcdonalds want to pay an adult more money when a student can do it cheaper | Apr 23 23:18 |
| they don't and that's the point | Apr 23 23:18 | |
| Ender2070 | exactly | Apr 23 23:18 |
| so they exploit children when they can | Apr 23 23:18 | |
| Ender2070 | once an adult becomes skilled they go for better jobs | Apr 23 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | so they pay higher wages and your double cheeseburger is now $10 | Apr 23 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | and suddenly every business does the same thing | Apr 23 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | and now your wage isn't a living wage | Apr 23 23:19 |
| Ender2070 | nobody wants to work fast food | Apr 23 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | even if you're skilled | Apr 23 23:19 |
| Ender2070 | unless they're an unskilled loser | Apr 23 23:19 |
| wages are a vanishingly small part of the cost of anything you buy | Apr 23 23:19 | |
| DaemonFC | almost anything pays better than working fast food | Apr 23 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | those jobs aren't meant for adults | Apr 23 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 23 23:19 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Apr 23 23:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Linux Power Problem Is Widespread, Hits Desktops Too: The major Linux power regression situation seems to on... http://bit.ly/fT00ey | Apr 23 23:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] The Linux Power Problem Is Widespread, Hits Desktops Too .::. Size~: 19.22 KB | Apr 23 23:20 |
| Ender2070 | but daemonfc | Apr 23 23:20 |
| Ender2070 | twitter won't be happy until everyone is making the same money | Apr 23 23:20 |
| work is work, most is not skilled, some is more respected than others - like banking and investments | Apr 23 23:21 | |
| Ender2070 | twitter, work is not work when you have the skill | Apr 23 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | the more people that can do it, the less it pays | Apr 23 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | the end :) | Apr 23 23:21 |
| Ender2070 | i'd like to see someone at mcdonalds put together their own PC | Apr 23 23:21 |
| Ender2070 | in fact | Apr 23 23:21 |
| Ender2070 | i'd like to see most of the people here do that | Apr 23 23:21 |
| Ender2070 | instead of whining about how they can only find microsoft taxed pcs | Apr 23 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see them figure out change for a $20 | Apr 23 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's a fucking miracle | Apr 23 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 23:22 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Apr 23 23:22 |
| Ender2070 | i'd like to see them figure out how to stop talking to their friends when im waiting for them to serve me | Apr 23 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, I went to Burger King one day and my total came to like $8 or something, right? I gave the cashier a $20. | Apr 23 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | for those paying attention, this is like $12 in change, right? | Apr 23 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 23:23 |
| One the wealthiest people I know did it through food service. Burger King was his first franchise actually. | Apr 23 23:23 | |
| Ender2070 | I went to starbucks for the first time in years, great service - and my cup informed me of a great deed I had done | Apr 23 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | she turns back and hands me a $50, a $5, and three $1s | Apr 23 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | and my food | Apr 23 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 23:24 |
| Ender2070 | did you know that by buying one coffee from starbucks, i had been helping the planet for ten years | Apr 23 23:24 |
| Ender2070 | it was very uplifting to read that | Apr 23 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | the planet needs your styrofoam | Apr 23 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | it just can't do it without you | Apr 23 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 23 23:24 |
| Ender2070 | no styrofoam | Apr 23 23:24 |
| Ender2070 | only sustainable, free range, farmer friendly coffee | Apr 23 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | right | Apr 23 23:25 |
| Ender2070 | for $5 a cup | Apr 23 23:25 |
| Ender2070 | in paper | Apr 23 23:25 |
| Ender2070 | now the starbucks employees, theres skill | Apr 23 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | mountain grown coffee beans from the finest peasants a rich multinational corporation can flog up the hill to harvest it | Apr 23 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | mmmmm | Apr 23 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 23 23:26 |
| Ender2070 | and starbucks offers its employees tuitions | Apr 23 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | Starbucks is not that great | Apr 23 23:26 |
| Ender2070 | just like mcdonalds | Apr 23 23:26 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Apr 23 23:26 |
| Ender2070 | starbucks isnt as good as home made brewed coffee | Apr 23 23:26 |
| Ender2070 | cant find anyhting better fast food style | Apr 23 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | there's a coffee shop/gas station/pizza and subs place not far from here | Apr 23 23:27 |
| Ender2070 | tim hortons is terrible imo | Apr 23 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | they have the best coffee I've ever had | Apr 23 23:27 |
| Ender2070 | subway has the biggest fraud of coffee i've ever seen | Apr 23 23:27 |
| Ender2070 | its called "Seattles Best" | Apr 23 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | there's a few Tim Hortons locations in Ohio | Apr 23 23:27 |
| Ender2070 | and it tastes like an ash tray | Apr 23 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Seattle's Best is Starbucks | Apr 23 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | they own them | Apr 23 23:28 |
| Ender2070 | exactly | Apr 23 23:28 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Apr 23 23:28 |
| Ender2070 | oh, its starbucks literally? | Apr 23 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 23 23:28 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Apr 23 23:28 |
| I prefer Stumptown to Starbucks | Apr 23 23:28 | |
| Ender2070 | its the runoff they cant sell | Apr 23 23:28 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Apr 23 23:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @kevie: I really hope Blackpool survive, it would be good to see a team that doesn't spend millions survive with the big guns of the prem | Apr 23 23:28 | |
| DaemonFC | it's the stuff they sweep up off the floor at closing time | Apr 23 23:28 |
| Ender2070 | seattles best is the undrank bottom of the pot at starbucks | Apr 23 23:28 |
| but you two seem to know a lot about fast food for people who think they are better than it. | Apr 23 23:28 | |
| DaemonFC | like the loose tobacco for the roll your own cigarettes | Apr 23 23:28 |
| Ender2070 | twitter - we're the market, the customers | Apr 23 23:29 |
| you misspelled suckers | Apr 23 23:29 | |
| Ender2070 | I could make my coffee at home if I wanted | Apr 23 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070, Most of the time I just drink Folgers or Maxwell House, whichever is on sale | Apr 23 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | percolated :) | Apr 23 23:30 |
| Ender2070 | folgers at work for me | Apr 23 23:30 |
| Ender2070 | thats what the company pays for | Apr 23 23:30 |
| Folgers and Maxwell house are what Community Coffee makes for the rest of the county. I can see why you prefer McDonalds. | Apr 23 23:30 | |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070 steals it along with paperclips and psot it notes, and the 1 play industrial toilet paper rolls | Apr 23 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | fight the occupation! | Apr 23 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 23 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | *ply | Apr 23 23:31 |
| Ender2070 | lol I love my job though | Apr 23 23:31 |
| what do you do? | Apr 23 23:31 | |
| Ender2070 | whats easier than telling windows users all day to reboot their pc | Apr 23 23:31 |
| Ender2070 | help desk | Apr 23 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | Telling them that the DVD-RW tray is a drink holder and laughing uncontrollably at whatever happens next | Apr 23 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | give me a hard one | Apr 23 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 23:32 |
| it would probably be easier to tell you to tell others what to do, especially if you hate your neighbors | Apr 23 23:32 | |
| Ender2070 | what | Apr 23 23:32 |
| you seem to hate the people who serve you | Apr 23 23:33 | |
| you think they are too stupid to count to 20 | Apr 23 23:33 | |
| Ender2070 | sorry to burst your bubble, they are | Apr 23 23:33 |
| you also think that people who don't care about computers are also stupid | Apr 23 23:34 | |
| Ender2070 | i was stupid when i was a teenager too, thought I knew everything | Apr 23 23:34 |
| Ender2070 | now I know I don't know it all | Apr 23 23:34 |
| that's good | Apr 23 23:35 | |
| DaemonFC | http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/217779_180387482011451_100001206018967_493859_3263438_n.jpg | Apr 23 23:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Apr 23 23:35 |
| Ender2070 | i also used to vote and thought it was a good idea to be left wing | Apr 23 23:35 |
| Ender2070 | im smarter now, all the parties have corporate masters to serve | Apr 23 23:35 |
| *lightpriest has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Apr 23 23:36 | |
| DaemonFC | vote for which side takes all your money and spends it on everything that doesn't benefit you? | Apr 23 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 23:36 |
| Ender2070 | now when I was a teenager, I wasn't naive enough to expect the wages of my parents | Apr 23 23:36 |
| Ender2070 | I knew I had to go through college or university to get a good job | Apr 23 23:36 |
| Ender2070 | i took a full time job to earn money after high school, couldn't save up enough and ended up going to college for free after losing my job thanks to the government | Apr 23 23:37 |
| Ender2070 | that program was extremely hard to get into, and when I finally did get in I noticed they were funding people who just came into Canada and hadn't ever worked a day in their life | Apr 23 23:38 |
| *DaemonFC takes Ender2070's job....5 minutes later...."Yes ma'am, fill the bath tub up with water, come back to the living room, unplug the tower, take it to the bathroom, plug it in, turn it on, get in the tub, and submerge the tower....yes, this will take care of Conficker permanently." | Apr 23 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 23 23:38 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Apr 23 23:39 |
| Ender2070 | its hard to get malware when the user doesnt have permission to install anything | Apr 23 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Apr 23 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | depends on how many privilege escalation bugs there are in the system | Apr 23 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 23 23:40 |
| Ender2070 | depends on your security | Apr 23 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | even Linux systems have those found from time to time | Apr 23 23:40 |
| Ender2070 | I can setup windows server to only allow binaries to run if they are on a white list | Apr 23 23:41 |
| Ender2070 | the white list can be via hash or it can be signed by a certificate | Apr 23 23:41 |
| Ender2070 | if you're not careful you can break windows | Apr 23 23:41 |
| Ender2070 | since its system stuff won't be able to run | Apr 23 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's easy to do | Apr 23 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | one way or another | Apr 23 23:42 |
| Ender2070 | hash is probably easier to break than the signed cert | Apr 23 23:42 |
| Ender2070 | unless you write custom malware to catch them signing something | Apr 23 23:42 |
| Ender2070 | I assume Linux has this too | Apr 23 23:43 |
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| *DaemonFC (~ryan@ppp-69-215-8-242.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 23 23:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] just finishing one rewarding full day of OsmocomBB hacking (hand-over) and OsmocomTETRA hacking at #eh11 | Apr 23 23:58 | |
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